date:20090915

My son did the work, and we changed the fuel tank screen tonight.
The old one was quite gunked up.
We unscrewed the hose from off the screen and fuel barely dribbled
out.  Socket would fit on the screen nut, but not able to get a handle
onto the socket as the half shaft was in the way.  The solution was to
use a chisel, so the old screen got a bit bunged up.  After a few hits
with chisel, fuel started coming out in steady stream - about 2
gallons.

Are you supposed to remove the half shaft to get to the tank screen?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant

Mitch wrote:
> Who was the official "Marshall approved" exhaust maker, Bosal?

I paid dollars at the dealer 4 years ago.  Those pieces were recently
recycled into my current driver.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay

2009-09-15 Thread OK Don

Really! Everyone was always impressed with my four-on-the-column shifter in
the '70 200D! Seemed like real class at the time. Also made it more theft
proof.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

>  Theres a 220D on there now with a column shift. I didn't even know they
>> came with column shift.
>>
>
> The Franken part of the Frankenheap's name was the fact that it
> had been converted from column to floor shift.  The column shifter
> was still there.  (I'll let you guess where the Heap part of
> the name came from!)
>
> -- Jim
>
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[MBZ] Continuing mirror madness

Went out to put on that mirror Tom sent me and realized the mounting holes are 
way too close together. Looked at the two mirrors together and they're similar 
but different. The one from my '83 is definately a refinement, its got a 123 
part number and has closer tolerances. The older one has no part number that I 
can find anywhere and has larger gaps all around.

Oh well, it was cheap.. Tom said he was using it on his 115 so if anybody has 
an early 123 or 115 I've got a good driver's side mirror cheap.

I'll have to see if Marvin is around on Saturday. Maybe I can pop down and grab 
one off his '82 240D...

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Re: [MBZ] Oil cooler cutout

2009-09-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


I will go hunting for one this weekend.

Curt Raymond wrote:

So after 220 miles of commuting with no oil cooler I'm sure glad to have the 
massive oil leak fixed...

That said the car runs noticably hotter now. Used to run most of the time just 
above the 80C mark, now its hovering just below the next mark (100C?).
As such I'm guessing in a warmer environment (its cool here right now, mid '70s 
high) there could easily be trouble.

Guess you really do need that cooler...

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay

Theres a 220D on there now with a column shift. I didn't even know 
they came with column shift.


The Franken part of the Frankenheap's name was the fact that it
had been converted from column to floor shift.  The column shifter
was still there.  (I'll let you guess where the Heap part of
the name came from!)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Door sill covere

2009-09-15 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


It just pops off.

Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
How do I remove the plastic door sill cover on a 123 so that I can slide the carpet back under it? 



  


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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Compressor death from lack of use?

Yup.  Mineral oil, sitting in air, things can rust.  You end up with 
leaking reed valves, therefore low high side pressure.


I've also had a screen clog up in the intake of
the expansion valve.  That, at least, is easy to
deal with.  Take it off and clean it!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start

Told him to PULL real hard after he gets glow.  Says he did but she 
will not crank.  PULL REAL HARD, dude.


I think your knob is too tight.  (And your later statement backs
this up.)

I'd quit trying after about a 20lb pull, wouldn't want to rip the 
thing out of the dash.


Yes, if the plastic knob starts to deform, you're pulling too
hard and need to correct the situation.

Clay, you might want to take care of that.  Considering that new
knobs are no longer available...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 240D mirror revisited

2009-09-15 Thread OK Don

Perhaps you should follow up the penetrating oil with a lubricant for the
long haul -- perhaps ATF?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Poking around my garage the other day I found a can of Rotunda Penetrating
> oil
> http://www.hammar.dyndns.org/ROTUNDA/19a501a.jpg
> which looks to be a FoMoCo product.
> I like regular can penetrant like this because its easy to get right where
> you want it. I filed its presence away in my head for later.
>
> Tonight I grabbed the mirror assembly Tom had sent me and hit the pivot
> points with some Rotunda. Its the strangest smelling stuff ever. I don't
> even have words to describe what it smells like... Kind of like burning
> plastic I guess.
> Anyway I managed to locate the pivot point I'd broken on my other mirror
> and lube it up good. Looking at it now I think I can fix the other one once
> I drill out the broken screw...
>
> The Rotunda works really well, about 1 minute on the rusty pivot and the
> thing works like new... After dinner I'll install the mirror. It'll be nice
> to have a mirror I can put where I want in that car after all these years.
> Then I need to pull the switch to the electric mirror apart (again!) and see
> if I can finally get it clean enough to work right.
>
> -Curt
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos
>
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Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start

2009-09-15 Thread OK Don

I'm fairly confident that you will not pull it out of the dash, having
removed the entier thing to replace the heater fan once --- it's just as
robust inside as the rest of the car 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant


Mountain Man wrote:

I have been told that rotors from the dealer are always the best.
They somehow last longer than even the most expensive NAPA rotors.
Same with exhaust parts - they just seem to last noticeably longer if
the dealer parts are obtained.  This from a guy that replaces a lot of
these parts for a living.


Who was the official "Marshall approved" exhaust maker, Bosal?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.

Several species of small furry animals gathered together in a cave 
grooving on a Pict.

--R

Frederick W Moir wrote:

Mao, et al.
Slange!
Gathering of the clans in NH soon.
Went last year and enjoyed it, won't go this year, no budget.
Hadrian had the wall built with guard camps every few miles (stadia?) 
coast to coast to keep out the wild Scots and Picts. Not too 
successfully, the would slide in at night, slaughter all the roman 
soldiers and disappear in to the mist.
Chowdah Q is a small but select group always looking for a few worthy 
members. Like, er, anyone who wants to come?

TTFN
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Please go the www.nhscot.org to download the latest issue of Highland 
Highlights and see the latest additions to the schedule and all that's 
new!

At 08:29 PM 9/15/2009, you wrote:

Fred wrote:
> R, et al.
> Moir is an alternate spelling of Moor. Also Muir, Mair, Moore etc.
> Comes from the Crusades when my Scottish ancestors were "Killers of 
Moors".

> Part of the Gordon Clan.

Well - welcome, family.
I am Gordon - one of the highland clans - can I say howdy to you?
Makes me even more want to make the long trek to the ClamFest '10 next
year - just to visit with family.
I always like the story my bagpipe band neighbor told years ago.
Hadrian's wall was built at the border between England and Scotland -
to keep the brutes up north contained.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.

And I will steam clams-both quahogs and steamers/ I too have a Coleman stove
that I can press into service.

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.

I'll cook a lobster for any non-New Englanders that make the trek!

-Curt

Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:29:23 -0500
From: Mountain Man 
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Fred wrote:
> R, et al.
> Moir is an alternate spelling of Moor. Also Muir, Mair, Moore etc.
> Comes from the Crusades when my Scottish ancestors were "Killers of
Moors".
> Part of the Gordon Clan.

Well - welcome, family.
I am Gordon - one of the highland clans - can I say howdy to you?
Makes me even more want to make the long trek to the ClamFest '10 next
year - just to visit with family.
I always like the story my bagpipe band neighbor told years ago.
Hadrian's wall was built at the border between England and Scotland -
to keep the brutes up north contained.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.

I'll cook a lobster for any non-New Englanders that make the trek!

-Curt

Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:29:23 -0500
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Fred wrote:
> R, et al.
> Moir is an alternate spelling of Moor. Also Muir, Mair, Moore etc.
> Comes from the Crusades when my Scottish ancestors were "Killers of Moors".
> Part of the Gordon Clan.

Well - welcome, family.
I am Gordon - one of the highland clans - can I say howdy to you?
Makes me even more want to make the long trek to the ClamFest '10 next
year - just to visit with family.
I always like the story my bagpipe band neighbor told years ago.
Hadrian's wall was built at the border between England and Scotland -
to keep the brutes up north contained.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay

Thanks for the kind words Tom, we aim to please.

Actually I can't find that listing now, it must have finished while I wasn't 
looking. Theres a 220D on there now with a column shift. I didn't even know 
they came with column shift. Its an odd car, basically no rust except for a 
hole in the floor which seems quite repairable...
Its about 90 miles from me so I'll just keep an eye on it. I surely don't need 
another car but thats so tempting.

Buster had a great time on Saturday. Sunday we went over to Dwight's and he 
played with Dwights dogs, Monday he slept all day...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:47:34 -0400
From: tom tomscat 
Subject: [MBZ] ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay
To: mercedes diesel 
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Hi Curt,

 

Yeah
I see that W115.  That's about 100 miles from me, but I'm keeping an
eye on it.  It may be about the same distance from you, btw.  

However,
tomorrow I am getting another ummm... German car of a different
make.  :) so I am in no position to buy.  I'm in enough trouble
already, trust me.  

That injection pump issue may scare some
buyers away, though, so it may go cheap but the auction still has 5
days to go.  The W115's are great simple cars, Curt, if you want one,
you should grab it.  The 300D's are all automatics, of course.  Did you
see that he has it listed as a 6 cylinder?  So I am not sure how much
attention he's paid to it, especially since that's a green Roller
parked next to it.  It probably hasn't gotten his undivided attention. 
You might get a steal. . and then I'd lose out on the cheapest
jalopy award at next year's ChowdahQ!!

 

Thanks again,
btw, Curt and Angie, for a great job on the event, and Kudos also to
Dwight, in particular, and Fred and the others who contributed the food
and camaraderie that went into making it a successful event.  Great
cars, nice people and ... well, New England weather.  Sigh.  Well, two
outta three aint bad!  Did I mention the food?  Great food too.  

 

Thanks
for sharing the pics also although I was a little disappointed that
you didn't mention the name of your dog.  For all the viewers, you may
have noticed that there were two of us out there that afternoon in
yellow foul weather gear.  Curt and Angie's dog was the one in the
custom-tailored, flannel-lined Foul Weather gear. (Which looked
Fabulous, btw.)  I was the other one, in the cheap, ill-fitting,
unlined rain slicker.  Oh, and I am the one NOT wearing a leash,
largely because my wife was unable to attend.

 

And I was
also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate the proper method
for shutting down an old Mercedes diesel.  after one has blown
one's injection pump shut-off valve.  It's a vanishing art, but I am
doing my part to keep it from becoming a lost one.  

 

:)

 

Tom Schuch

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of feral BMWs

SE Connecticut

 

P.S. That maple bacon on the burgers was Dy No Mite!


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.

Well we hope you can attend next year-even though my family come from
Cornwall, I respect the Scots
Dwight 

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.

Fred wrote:
> R, et al.
> Moir is an alternate spelling of Moor. Also Muir, Mair, Moore etc.
> Comes from the Crusades when my Scottish ancestors were "Killers of
Moors".
> Part of the Gordon Clan.

Well - welcome, family.
I am Gordon - one of the highland clans - can I say howdy to you?
Makes me even more want to make the long trek to the ClamFest '10 next
year - just to visit with family.
I always like the story my bagpipe band neighbor told years ago.
Hadrian's wall was built at the border between England and Scotland -
to keep the brutes up north contained.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay

Tom,
Yes, we really appreciated your demonstration on hwo to shut down a 115 300
diesel. Grille  loops are really good. 
You make me lust after a a 115 when I read your post.
Good luck with your new Bayerishe Motor Werken  machine.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI

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On Behalf Of tom tomscat
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:48 PM
To: mercedes diesel
Subject: [MBZ] ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay


 

Hi Curt,

 

Yeah I see that W115.  That's about 100 miles from me, but I'm keeping an
eye on it.  It may be about the same distance from you, btw.  

However, tomorrow I am getting another ummm... German car of a different
make.  :) so I am in no position to buy.  I'm in enough trouble already,
trust me.  

That injection pump issue may scare some buyers away, though, so it may go
cheap but the auction still has 5 days to go.  The W115's are great
simple cars, Curt, if you want one, you should grab it.  The 300D's are all
automatics, of course.  Did you see that he has it listed as a 6 cylinder?
So I am not sure how much attention he's paid to it, especially since that's
a green Roller parked next to it.  It probably hasn't gotten his undivided
attention.  You might get a steal. . and then I'd lose out on the
cheapest jalopy award at next year's ChowdahQ!!

 

Thanks again, btw, Curt and Angie, for a great job on the event, and Kudos
also to Dwight, in particular, and Fred and the others who contributed the
food and camaraderie that went into making it a successful event.  Great
cars, nice people and ... well, New England weather.  Sigh.  Well, two outta
three aint bad!  Did I mention the food?  Great food too.  

 

Thanks for sharing the pics also although I was a little disappointed
that you didn't mention the name of your dog.  For all the viewers, you may
have noticed that there were two of us out there that afternoon in yellow
foul weather gear.  Curt and Angie's dog was the one in the custom-tailored,
flannel-lined Foul Weather gear. (Which looked Fabulous, btw.)  I was
the other one, in the cheap, ill-fitting, unlined rain slicker.  Oh, and I
am the one NOT wearing a leash, largely because my wife was unable to
attend.

 

And I was also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate the proper
method for shutting down an old Mercedes diesel.  after one has blown
one's injection pump shut-off valve.  It's a vanishing art, but I am doing
my part to keep it from becoming a lost one.  

 

:)

 

Tom Schuch

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of feral BMWs

SE Connecticut

 

P.S. That maple bacon on the burgers was Dy No Mite!

 

 

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:34:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond 
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To: Diesel List 
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LOVE IT.
 
I need me a 115. I emailed about one the other day listed as an '82 220D
hoping it was really a '72, never did hear back...
 
 
Hey Tom, theres a '75 300D on eBay, its in CT...
 
-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant

I have been told that rotors from the dealer are always the best.
They somehow last longer than even the most expensive NAPA rotors.
Same with exhaust parts - they just seem to last noticeably longer if
the dealer parts are obtained.  This from a guy that replaces a lot of
these parts for a living.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.

Mao, et al.
Slange!
Gathering of the clans in NH soon.
Went last year and enjoyed it, won't go this year, no budget.
Hadrian had the wall built with guard camps every few miles (stadia?) 
coast to coast to keep out the wild Scots and Picts. Not too 
successfully, the would slide in at night, slaughter all the roman 
soldiers and disappear in to the mist.
Chowdah Q is a small but select group always looking for a few worthy 
members. Like, er, anyone who wants to come?

TTFN
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Please go the www.nhscot.org to download the latest issue of Highland 
Highlights and see the latest additions to the schedule and all that's new!

At 08:29 PM 9/15/2009, you wrote:

Fred wrote:
> R, et al.
> Moir is an alternate spelling of Moor. Also Muir, Mair, Moore etc.
> Comes from the Crusades when my Scottish ancestors were "Killers of Moors".
> Part of the Gordon Clan.

Well - welcome, family.
I am Gordon - one of the highland clans - can I say howdy to you?
Makes me even more want to make the long trek to the ClamFest '10 next
year - just to visit with family.
I always like the story my bagpipe band neighbor told years ago.
Hadrian's wall was built at the border between England and Scotland -
to keep the brutes up north contained.
mao

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[MBZ] This One's for Woger

2009-09-15 Thread LWB250

Of course, I am sure there are others who will appreciate it as much or better..

http://grainedit.com/2009/04/09/vintage-porsche-posters/


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.

Fred wrote:
> R, et al.
> Moir is an alternate spelling of Moor. Also Muir, Mair, Moore etc.
> Comes from the Crusades when my Scottish ancestors were "Killers of Moors".
> Part of the Gordon Clan.

Well - welcome, family.
I am Gordon - one of the highland clans - can I say howdy to you?
Makes me even more want to make the long trek to the ClamFest '10 next
year - just to visit with family.
I always like the story my bagpipe band neighbor told years ago.
Hadrian's wall was built at the border between England and Scotland -
to keep the brutes up north contained.
mao

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[MBZ] 240D mirror revisited

Poking around my garage the other day I found a can of Rotunda Penetrating oil
http://www.hammar.dyndns.org/ROTUNDA/19a501a.jpg
which looks to be a FoMoCo product.
I like regular can penetrant like this because its easy to get right where you 
want it. I filed its presence away in my head for later.

Tonight I grabbed the mirror assembly Tom had sent me and hit the pivot points 
with some Rotunda. Its the strangest smelling stuff ever. I don't even have 
words to describe what it smells like... Kind of like burning plastic I guess.
Anyway I managed to locate the pivot point I'd broken on my other mirror and 
lube it up good. Looking at it now I think I can fix the other one once I drill 
out the broken screw...

The Rotunda works really well, about 1 minute on the rusty pivot and the thing 
works like new... After dinner I'll install the mirror. It'll be nice to have a 
mirror I can put where I want in that car after all these years. Then I need to 
pull the switch to the electric mirror apart (again!) and see if I can finally 
get it clean enough to work right.

-Curt



  
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[MBZ] ChowdahQ and the W115 on ebay

2009-09-15 Thread tom tomscat


 

Hi Curt,

 

Yeah I see that W115.  That's about 100 miles from me, but I'm keeping an eye 
on it.  It may be about the same distance from you, btw.  

However, tomorrow I am getting another ummm... German car of a different 
make.  :) so I am in no position to buy.  I'm in enough trouble already, 
trust me.  

That injection pump issue may scare some buyers away, though, so it may go 
cheap but the auction still has 5 days to go.  The W115's are great simple 
cars, Curt, if you want one, you should grab it.  The 300D's are all 
automatics, of course.  Did you see that he has it listed as a 6 cylinder?  So 
I am not sure how much attention he's paid to it, especially since that's a 
green Roller parked next to it.  It probably hasn't gotten his undivided 
attention.  You might get a steal. . and then I'd lose out on the cheapest 
jalopy award at next year's ChowdahQ!!

 

Thanks again, btw, Curt and Angie, for a great job on the event, and Kudos also 
to Dwight, in particular, and Fred and the others who contributed the food and 
camaraderie that went into making it a successful event.  Great cars, nice 
people and ... well, New England weather.  Sigh.  Well, two outta three aint 
bad!  Did I mention the food?  Great food too.  

 

Thanks for sharing the pics also although I was a little disappointed that 
you didn't mention the name of your dog.  For all the viewers, you may have 
noticed that there were two of us out there that afternoon in yellow foul 
weather gear.  Curt and Angie's dog was the one in the custom-tailored, 
flannel-lined Foul Weather gear. (Which looked Fabulous, btw.)  I was the 
other one, in the cheap, ill-fitting, unlined rain slicker.  Oh, and I am the 
one NOT wearing a leash, largely because my wife was unable to attend.

 

And I was also pleased to have the opportunity to demonstrate the proper method 
for shutting down an old Mercedes diesel.  after one has blown one's 
injection pump shut-off valve.  It's a vanishing art, but I am doing my part to 
keep it from becoming a lost one.  

 

:)

 

Tom Schuch

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of feral BMWs

SE Connecticut

 

P.S. That maple bacon on the burgers was Dy No Mite!

 

 

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:34:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start
To: Diesel List 
Message-ID: <528538.4041...@web32806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
 
LOVE IT.
 
I need me a 115. I emailed about one the other day listed as an '82 220D hoping 
it was really a '72, never did hear back...
 
 
Hey Tom, theres a '75 300D on eBay, its in CT...
 
-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start

I use both hands and nearly pull my arm out of the sockets to get her  
going


clay

On Sep 15, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

That is a strong spring -- my SIL had to use both hands when she  
borrowed my old 220D a few times.


Peter

-Original Message-

From: Rich Thomas 
Sent: Sep 15, 2009 2:55 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start

What is that, the pull start rope?

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:

Redghost wrote:

PULL REAL HARD, dude.  Tells me that just ain't right but he will
give it a go.


I've seen mention on this list of wimps and small women being unable
to start these cars. How hard do you have to pull? If I were in the
mechanic's shoes, I'd quit trying after about a 20lb pull, wouldn't
want to rip the thing out of the dash.

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Oil cooler cutout

So after 220 miles of commuting with no oil cooler I'm sure glad to have the 
massive oil leak fixed...

That said the car runs noticably hotter now. Used to run most of the time just 
above the 80C mark, now its hovering just below the next mark (100C?).
As such I'm guessing in a warmer environment (its cool here right now, mid '70s 
high) there could easily be trouble.

Guess you really do need that cooler...

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Re: [MBZ] REBUILT ELECTRICAL ACCYS

2009-09-15 Thread Michael Esh

Ditto that, with same success rate. I am lucky to have reputable
rebuilder to repair or replace ragged parts. :)

On Sep 15, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote:

I have started using a local rebuilder for Alt and Starters. Havent'
replaced or sent one back since.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, theprofil...@dwx.com
wrote:

I have now replaced three lifetime warrented NAPA alternators in
60k miles.

All installed correctly.
I'm getting pretty sick of replacing them, even though it costs me
nothing

but an hour of getting
greasy. Next time, Rusty. (I started this cycle before I joined the
list

and knew of Rusty.)

Dan
300SD, 319k, Des Moines

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Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start

2009-09-15 Thread Peter Frederick

That is a strong spring -- my SIL had to use both hands when she borrowed my 
old 220D a few times.

Peter

-Original Message-
>From: Rich Thomas 
>Sent: Sep 15, 2009 2:55 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start
>
>What is that, the pull start rope?
>
>--R
>
>Mitch Haley wrote:
>> Redghost wrote:
>>> PULL REAL HARD, dude.  Tells me that just ain't right but he will 
>>> give it a go.
>>
>> I've seen mention on this list of wimps and small women being unable 
>> to start these cars. How hard do you have to pull? If I were in the 
>> mechanic's shoes, I'd quit trying after about a 20lb pull, wouldn't 
>> want to rip the thing out of the dash.
>>
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

2009-09-15 Thread Peter Frederick

Yup.  Mineral oil, sitting in air, things can rust.  You end up with leaking 
reed valves, therefore low high side pressure.

Peter

-Original Message-
>From: andrew strasfogel 
>Sent: Sep 15, 2009 4:17 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: [MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?
>
>When restoring my 1970 280SE coupe back in 1992, I had the old Frigiking AC
>blower unit removed and installed (but never wired in) a period Behr AC
>purely for looks.  The AC system has been nonfuncitonal and devoid of freon
>for the past 17 years.  A month ago I decided to wire in the Behr blower
>unit, and had my mechanic charge the system, convert to R134, and test it.
>He says the compressor is "weak"; I only get tepid air at all settings.
>
>My question is whether merely sitting without running all these years would
>ruin the compressor.  Everything else works (I of course replaced the drier
>bottle).
>
>Andrew
>1970 280SE 3.5
>+ 3 W123 turbodiesels
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Re: [MBZ] wsh/wp

His spot! Our 2 boys have spots but the girl doesn't. If you give them
belly rubs and scratch the spot their legs start going. One of the boys
has 2 spots, equal reactions.

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Reminds me of my late lamented dog. He used to twitch his leg
uncontrollably when chewing at a flea on his belly.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:55 PM, wrote:

...The fuse blows when the headlights are turned on, but not otherwise...

The headlight wash/wipe function requires the parking lights to be on, not
the headlights.

BTW, current MB design activates the headlight washer (no more wipers)
every tenth use of the windshield washer. That way, the washer reservoir is
not
emptied so quickly.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] BRAKE "CLICK" QUESTION

Aren't there some little spring wire clips in there to hold the pads in 
place?  Maybe one of them is a goner and the pad is moving around?


--R

theprofil...@dwx.com wrote:
My 300SD, 319k miles with a complete brake job ca 40k highway miles ago has just started making 
a slight "click" sound when brakes are applied. I can just barely feel it in the pedal, just 
when the brakes start grabbing, even gently. It seems to be coming from the RF. Any guesses? 



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[MBZ] BRAKE "CLICK" QUESTION

2009-09-15 Thread theprofil...@dwx.com

My 300SD, 319k miles with a complete brake job ca 40k highway miles ago has 
just started making 
a slight "click" sound when brakes are applied. I can just barely feel it in 
the pedal, just 
when the brakes start grabbing, even gently. It seems to be coming from the RF. 
Any guesses? 


Dan 
82 300SD, 319k 


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Re: [MBZ] End times ride

2009-09-15 Thread WILTON

'71  - that's the year that I seriouisly considered buying an MB; 'didn't 
get one 'til Oct 79 - an '80 240D.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: [MBZ] End times ride



Speaking of...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-220D-1971-Mercedes-220D-4cyl-Diesel-4-dr-Classic_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem35a3801868QQitemZ230376347752QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

I was with him right up to the hole in the driver's side floor. If I 
didn't already have a jalopy...


-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] wsh/wp

2009-09-15 Thread andrew strasfogel

Reminds me of my late lamented dog.  He used to twitch his leg
uncontrollably when chewing at a flea on his belly.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:55 PM,  wrote:

> > ...The fuse blows when the headlights are turned on, but not otherwise...
> >
> The headlight wash/wipe function requires the parking lights to be on, not
> the headlights.
>
> BTW, current MB design activates the headlight washer (no more wipers)
> every tenth use of the windshield washer. That way, the washer reservoir is
> not
> emptied so quickly.
>
> RLE
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[MBZ] Compressor death from lack of use?

2009-09-15 Thread andrew strasfogel

When restoring my 1970 280SE coupe back in 1992, I had the old Frigiking AC
blower unit removed and installed (but never wired in) a period Behr AC
purely for looks.  The AC system has been nonfuncitonal and devoid of freon
for the past 17 years.  A month ago I decided to wire in the Behr blower
unit, and had my mechanic charge the system, convert to R134, and test it.
He says the compressor is "weak"; I only get tepid air at all settings.

My question is whether merely sitting without running all these years would
ruin the compressor.  Everything else works (I of course replaced the drier
bottle).

Andrew
1970 280SE 3.5
+ 3 W123 turbodiesels
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Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start

My cable is probably messed up, but I am not yet interested in making  
amends to allow easier starts.  Maybe in a few years


clay

On Sep 15, 2009, at 12:44 PM, tyler wrote:

I don't think a W115 diesel needs to be any more complex to start  
than it was new in order to deter would-be thieves.


Maybe it could be oiled or something? I don't remember the starting  
knob on my '74 240D being hard to pull at all.


Tyler

Redghost wrote:
Well, you refer to my wimp and his mother here.  I would guess it  
takes less pull than I am giving it in a properly set up car.  It  
has gotten harder to pull recently, but I may have messed up the  
routing of the cable with recent valve adjustment, glow plug  
replacement and rebuild on injectors.


What it does do is deter those fools who get a very crazy notion to  
steal a classic clunker


clay


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Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start

2009-09-15 Thread tyler

I don't think a W115 diesel needs to be any more complex to start than 
it was new in order to deter would-be thieves.


Maybe it could be oiled or something? I don't remember the starting knob 
on my '74 240D being hard to pull at all.


Tyler

Redghost wrote:
Well, you refer to my wimp and his mother here.  I would guess it 
takes less pull than I am giving it in a properly set up car.  It has 
gotten harder to pull recently, but I may have messed up the routing 
of the cable with recent valve adjustment, glow plug replacement and 
rebuild on injectors.


What it does do is deter those fools who get a very crazy notion to 
steal a classic clunker


clay


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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant

2009-09-15 Thread Peter Frederick


The real problem is not the ease of removal of pads nor the cost of a new rotor 
vs turning one, it's that once there is a distinct lip on the rotor, the pads 
on the dual piston (not floating piston calipers) will contact the anti-rattle 
spring before the friction material is worn off.  This will result in seriously 
diminished braking, and eventually cause the pistons in the calipers to cock 
and bind.  The brakes then drag, overheat, and roast the rubber dust boot, 
allowing water and dirt into the piston bore, which wrecks the pistons.  A 
routine pad replacement turns into an expensive caliper replacement job 
instead.  On any model between the Finny and the W201, this will happen both 
front and rear, just the rears on later models.

Rotors last three sets of pads -- when the third set is worn out, get new 
rotors.  I routinely get 50,000 miles on a set of pads (I'm lucky -- lost of 
open road driving AND I drive like a little old man, so little wear), so this 
isn't exactly a problem for me.  One set of rotors per car now, so far -- none 
of them have reached the third pad set.  I think the old 300D was getting 
close, but I won't be doing brake work on that one any more.

Peter
-Original Message-
>From: Jim Cathey 
>Sent: Sep 15, 2009 9:38 AM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant
>
>> I don't turn a rotor to remove an edge. Mount it on a drive wheel and 
>> spin slowly while I use a 4" disc grinder to remove the edge.
>
>That's what I do.  Makes getting the calipers on and off
>much easier!
>
>-- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT mimosa tree

2009-09-15 Thread Fmiser

> Rich Thomas wrote:

> And if you have a car anywhere nearby (like within a quarter
> mile) the little pink flowers will glom onto it like an oyster
> on a rock and stain the paint.
> 
> Little green inch worms love them, and will drop down from the
> tree on invisible threads that you will get all over you and
> annoy yourself to no end.
> 
> They drop their seed pods all over, then come up in your yard 
> everywhere, or somewhere else and squeeze out native species.
> 
> They are invasive weed trees, but do make a nice place to sit
> on a summer day, if the worms don't bother you.  My
> grandmother (in KY) had a big one in her yard when they first
> became widely known, someone gave it to her and it grew like a
> virus in a preschool.  And then hundreds of others sprung up
> all over...

Hah!   This is the sort of info I was looking for.

Thanks.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start

Well, you refer to my wimp and his mother here.  I would guess it  
takes less pull than I am giving it in a properly set up car.  It has  
gotten harder to pull recently, but I may have messed up the routing  
of the cable with recent valve adjustment, glow plug replacement and  
rebuild on injectors.


What it does do is deter those fools who get a very crazy notion to  
steal a classic clunker


clay


On Sep 15, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:


Redghost wrote:
PULL REAL HARD, dude.  Tells me that just ain't right but he will  
give it a go.


I've seen mention on this list of wimps and small women being unable  
to start these cars. How hard do you have to pull? If I were in the  
mechanic's shoes, I'd quit trying after about a 20lb pull, wouldn't  
want to rip the thing out of the dash.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Post-Apocalypse Planning

One of the reasons I am happy to have Gump.  she will go on and on and  
on... using rancid veggie oil or rendered democrats when the collapse  
of Amerika happens.


clay

On Sep 15, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

So will our diesels still start and run after the EMP blast?  I  
would think so, if the starter and battery don't fry.  The ACC  
probably won't, but it doesn't now, so that won't be an issue.


--R

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Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start


What is that, the pull start rope?

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:

Redghost wrote:
PULL REAL HARD, dude.  Tells me that just ain't right but he will 
give it a go.


I've seen mention on this list of wimps and small women being unable 
to start these cars. How hard do you have to pull? If I were in the 
mechanic's shoes, I'd quit trying after about a 20lb pull, wouldn't 
want to rip the thing out of the dash.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] A real CFC program we can stand behind


Redghost wrote:

http://www.sigsauer.com/CustomerService/klunker.aspx


OT for this list.

Annoyingly enough, they only seem to want 'klunkers' that are actually worth 
$200. '9mm/38 special or larger' eliminates the pot metal .22 revolver that I'd 
like to sell for $200. I think those things sold new for about $10 in the 1960s.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] End times ride

Speaking of...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-220D-1971-Mercedes-220D-4cyl-Diesel-4-dr-Classic_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem35a3801868QQitemZ230376347752QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks

I was with him right up to the hole in the driver's side floor. If I didn't 
already have a jalopy...

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Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start


Redghost wrote:
PULL REAL HARD, dude.  
Tells me that just ain't right but he will give it a go.


I've seen mention on this list of wimps and small women being unable to start 
these cars. How hard do you have to pull? If I were in the mechanic's shoes, I'd 
quit trying after about a 20lb pull, wouldn't want to rip the thing out of the 
dash.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Post-Apocalypse Planning

2009-09-15 Thread tyler

The glow plugs can be started by directly jumping them- connect a jumper 
cable between the battery and terminal on the relay, and then start the 
engine.


I really doubt that the starter or battery would be affected by an EMP 
pulse.


My 190DT would probably lose it's idle control computer as well as 
climate control and many of the gauges, but it should still run and 
drive fine.


Tyler

Rich Thomas wrote:
I could bypass the relay, just put a manual switch in there.  The 
starter might not take the voltage spike though?  Would not want to 
resort to hand cranking.  Might have to do some rewiring to get 
everything happy again.


Fuel can be stockpiled (there was a guy in the woodworkers club who 
was some kind of fringe religion member, he had about 1000gal of 
diesel in a tote for the Y2K apocalypse that never happened) or can be 
made, or just run veggie oil.


--R


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Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start

LOVE IT.

I need me a 115. I emailed about one the other day listed as an '82 220D hoping 
it was really a '72, never did hear back...


Hey Tom, theres a '75 300D on eBay, its in CT...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:38:54 -0700
From: Redghost 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Well, Gump went to the car Dr. this morning.  Had oldest boy fetch me  
at 7:10am at the shop and took him to school.  Left the key in the box.

Got home around 7:55, and settled down to breakfast and the paper.  A  
bit after 8am call comes in.  Shop can not figure out how to start  
her.  Explain the process to the front desk and she passes me to the  
lead mechanic.  He knows full well how to start an old diesel, just  
can not figure out how to get Gump lit off.  Told him to PULL real  
hard after he gets glow.  Says he did but she will not crank.  PULL  
REAL HARD, dude.  Tells me that just ain't right but he will give it a  
go.

Never did get a call back.  Guess he felt too much the pussy for  
calling in the first place.

clay


  
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Re: [MBZ] Post-Apocalypse Planning

Strangely I was talking to somebody about this today...

I figure my 240D is the ultimate post apocalypse car. No radio after the emp 
though. Figure there probably won't be many stations.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:50:36 -0400
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Subject: [MBZ] Post-Apocalypse Planning
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So will our diesels still start and run after the EMP blast?  I would 
think so, if the starter and battery don't fry.  The ACC probably won't, 
but it doesn't now, so that won't be an issue.

--R

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[MBZ] A real CFC program we can stand behind


http://www.sigsauer.com/CustomerService/klunker.aspx

good for town hall meetings

--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] It seems I am overrun by 190Ds


Must resist throbbing in loins.

With Gump at the shop and having agreed to no new cars for five years,  
because I will be driving Gump that long...


I would love to take a manny off your hands for

$500

clay

On Sep 13, 2009, at 6:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Picked up another one today, this one is a 84 5 speed manny.  Drove  
it back home from the OKC area today, should have stopped by and saw  
OK Don but didnt have time.  Boy there is sure a difference between  
the manny and auto 190D.  For starters, going 75 on the highway  
results in I would say about 2800rpm engine speed, in the auto its  
probably 3300rpm or so. Im going to have to get rid of some of these  
things.


--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89  
560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D  
euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com



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[MBZ] Girly movie Benz

Just saw "Jane Austen Book Club".  There is a bio, well, donut oil  
powered w115 in it.  Looked worse than Gump.



--
Clay
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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] assist with diagnosis on no start

Well, Gump went to the car Dr. this morning.  Had oldest boy fetch me  
at 7:10am at the shop and took him to school.  Left the key in the box.


Got home around 7:55, and settled down to breakfast and the paper.  A  
bit after 8am call comes in.  Shop can not figure out how to start  
her.  Explain the process to the front desk and she passes me to the  
lead mechanic.  He knows full well how to start an old diesel, just  
can not figure out how to get Gump lit off.  Told him to PULL real  
hard after he gets glow.  Says he did but she will not crank.  PULL  
REAL HARD, dude.  Tells me that just ain't right but he will give it a  
go.


Never did get a call back.  Guess he felt too much the pussy for  
calling in the first place.


clay

On Sep 13, 2009, at 2:53 PM, OK Don wrote:

To corraborate Mitch's excellent suggestions - all the hard to start  
issues
i've had with 615, 616, and 617 engines have been related to one of  
the
following: air in a fuel line, bad glow plugs, or too tight valves  
(other

than too cold with the wrong oil).

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:



Ether isn't good. Ether in a glow plug engine is very bad.
In order to start, you need fuel, compression, and heat.

Let's start with heat. The simplest thing to do is to glow for 30  
seconds

instead of cranking as soon as the light goes out.

You can unplug the glow plug harness from the glow plug relay, and  
jumper

the pins in the connector on the plug harness to test the plugs
individually. You can do this crudely with an ohmmeter, or better  
yet, jump
an ammeter between the positive battery terminal and a wire to a  
glow plug.
The plug should draw around 20A initially and then taper down to  
about 10A
after a few seconds. If you do that with all five, you'll see which  
one(s)

don't act right.

If the plugs are all good, plug the connector back into the relay,  
turn the

key on, and check for voltage at a glow plug.

Compression: one thing commonly overlooked is valve adjustment. If  
your
valves are tight, it's not going to want to start when cold. While  
you've
got the valve cover off, slowly turn the engine until the timing  
marks line
up on the front cam tower and read the crank position on the crank  
damper.
If the crank is five degrees ahead of the cam, you need a new cam  
chain.


If the above check out OK, post a follow-up and we'll get into fuel  
issues,

starting with the hand primer pump.

Mitch.



--
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Re: [MBZ] OT 1966 American JenBach Diesel Air Compressor

Around here, that's the sort of thing that the lawn sprinkler companies rent for 
a week when they blow the water out of the customers' systems in the fall. (the 
frost/freeze line is about 3-4 feet below ground level and the pipes are 
typically 12-18" deep)


Mitch.


Rich Thomas wrote:

This looks kinda cool.

--R

http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/1375333710.html



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[MBZ] OT 1966 American JenBach Diesel Air Compressor


This looks kinda cool.

--R

http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/1375333710.html

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Re: [MBZ] Post-Apocalypse Planning


Rich Thomas wrote:

Fuel can be stockpiled (there was a guy in the woodworkers club who was 
some kind of fringe religion member, he had about 1000gal of diesel in a 
tote for the Y2K apocalypse that never happened) or can be made, or just 
run veggie oil.


Making fuel, or running veggie, requires a supply of veggie oil. In a "Road 
Warrior" world, that could require having your own farmland and an oilseed press 
for extracting the oil.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Post-Apocalypse Planning

2009-09-15 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

I could bypass the relay, just put a manual switch in there.  The 
starter might not take the voltage spike though?  Would not want to 
resort to hand cranking.  Might have to do some rewiring to get 
everything happy again.


Fuel can be stockpiled (there was a guy in the woodworkers club who was 
some kind of fringe religion member, he had about 1000gal of diesel in a 
tote for the Y2K apocalypse that never happened) or can be made, or just 
run veggie oil.


--R

Mathieu J. Cama wrote:



On Sep 15, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

So will our diesels still start and run after the EMP blast?  I would 
think so, if the starter and battery don't fry.  The ACC probably 
won't, but it doesn't now, so that won't be an issue.


--R



EMP will take out the glow plug relays. Starting with the SDs (w116) 
and possibly even the 300d w115, there is a 555 timer in the relay. 
That will be fried by the EMP. A tired diesel does not like to fire 
without glow plugs.


If you want a sure shot, assuming you are still around and able to 
drive on roads that may or may not still exist, you need to have one 
of the early diesels with the manual glow plugs. It is precisely the 
reason I keep my '70 220D around. I wont have radio, but everything 
else should survive the EMP.


Mathieu



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Re: [MBZ] Post-Apocalypse Planning

2009-09-15 Thread Mathieu J . Cama




On Sep 15, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

So will our diesels still start and run after the EMP blast?  I would 
think so, if the starter and battery don't fry.  The ACC probably 
won't, but it doesn't now, so that won't be an issue.


--R



EMP will take out the glow plug relays. Starting with the SDs (w116) 
and possibly even the 300d w115, there is a 555 timer in the relay. 
That will be fried by the EMP. A tired diesel does not like to fire 
without glow plugs.


If you want a sure shot, assuming you are still around and able to 
drive on roads that may or may not still exist, you need to have one of 
the early diesels with the manual glow plugs. It is precisely the 
reason I keep my '70 220D around. I wont have radio, but everything 
else should survive the EMP.


Mathieu



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Re: [MBZ] Post-Apocalypse Planning

Do you know something I don't?

Yes they'll run, but good luck getting fuel at a filling station.  A
hand-powered pump to pull fuel from the underground tanks would be
helpful but that's probably the least of your problems at that point.
Here's a fun website to help you get ready.

http://survivalblog.com/

Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Max Dillon
'87 300TD 314k miles
Charleston SC



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So will our diesels still start and run after the EMP blast?  I would
think so, if the starter and battery don't fry.  The ACC probably won't,
but it doesn't now, so that won't be an issue.

--R

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[MBZ] Post-Apocalypse Planning

So will our diesels still start and run after the EMP blast?  I would 
think so, if the starter and battery don't fry.  The ACC probably won't, 
but it doesn't now, so that won't be an issue.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant

2009-09-15 Thread Rusty Cullens


$42.00 each

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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:46 AM
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Rusty wrote: "How much did you pay to turn them? I have them brand new for 
$28.00"


How much for front rotors on a 1995 BMW 740IL?  Mine are warped and cause 
serious vibrations when applying the brakes.



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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

2009-09-15 Thread LarryT


It really helps to have paper copies at times I guess.

I have some books - will look to see if there's anything there that might 
help -


Larryt

OilAnalysis Time?
Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters?
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

Unfortunately, that is exactly what I found. I can make out the wire 
colors

but not much more.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:55 PM, LarryT  wrote:


You wrote <>

Good luck with that - my WDs are so fuzzy I can't read them at all!
 They're totally useless!

Take care -
LarryT
91  300D





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Re: [MBZ] Door sill covere

2009-09-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis

Yup that's all there is to it.  Thanks all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2009, at 10:37 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

How do I remove the plastic door sill cover on a 123 so that I can slide the 
carpet back under it?

I think they just pry upwards and off.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.


Mitch.
Es possible.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 10:56 AM 9/15/2009, you wrote:

Frederick W Moir wrote:

R, et al.
Moir is an alternate spelling of Moor. Also Muir, Mair, Moore etc.
Comes from the Crusades when my Scottish ancestors were "Killers of 
Moors". Part of the Gordon Clan.


Does that make you a relative of our own Mao?

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.


Dwight, et al.
The E.U. is okay, I guess. A number of Italian, French and German 
warriors/politicians have tried to unite the continent, it wasn't 
until they all got together that it became something most could 
tolerate. The U.K. is fighting a fading battle to preserve its way of 
life, but federalism is creeping over everything. State rights vs. 
Federal law? Who knows?

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
"I love the smell of diesel in the morning" (apologies to Duval)

At 06:27 AM 9/15/2009, you wrote:

Fred-
I take it you are not in favor of the EU?
Dwight

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.


Not "Mwa"?

Well, they seemed to have performed a useful service for the incipient 
empire back when.


--R

Frederick W Moir wrote:

R, et al.
Moir is an alternate spelling of Moor. Also Muir, Mair, Moore etc.
Comes from the Crusades when my Scottish ancestors were "Killers of 
Moors". Part of the Gordon Clan.

TMI, I know.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Compression ignition for me.

At 11:03 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:

Isn't Moir like a froggy name?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.


Frederick W Moir wrote:

R, et al.
Moir is an alternate spelling of Moor. Also Muir, Mair, Moore etc.
Comes from the Crusades when my Scottish ancestors were "Killers of 
Moors". Part of the Gordon Clan.


Does that make you a relative of our own Mao?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.


R, et al.
Moir is an alternate spelling of Moor. Also Muir, Mair, Moore etc.
Comes from the Crusades when my Scottish ancestors were "Killers of 
Moors". Part of the Gordon Clan.

TMI, I know.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Compression ignition for me.

At 11:03 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:

Isn't Moir like a froggy name?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant

2009-09-15 Thread Donald Snook

Rusty wrote: "How much did you pay to turn them? I have them brand new for 
$28.00"

How much for front rotors on a 1995 BMW 740IL?  Mine are warped and cause 
serious vibrations when applying the brakes.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant

I don't turn a rotor to remove an edge. Mount it on a drive wheel and 
spin slowly while I use a 4" disc grinder to remove the edge.


That's what I do.  Makes getting the calipers on and off
much easier!

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Re: [MBZ] Door sill covere

How do I remove the plastic door sill cover on a 123 so that I can 
slide the carpet back under it?


I think they just pry upwards and off.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant

2009-09-15 Thread E M

for 28 dollars, hardly worth messing around turning old rotors, even if they
don't last quite as long.  The time you save not running back and forth
getting old rotors turned, you can probably slip another brake job in over
150,000 miles, with less time, and probably not much more money, if any.

It's nice to have all your new parts together gathered at hand, before you
start digging into a project.

Ed
300E

2009/9/15 Rusty Cullens 

> How much did you pay to turn them? I have them brand new for $28.00
>
>
> Rusty Cullens
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> - Original Message - From: "Peter Hertzing" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:14 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant
>
>
>  Okay All
>>
>> This weekend I replaced brakes on Saturday morning on my 97 volvo 960
>> 185K.
>> Pulled the rear rotors and they had a large ridge (big enough to get
>> really
>> close to the caliper).  Clearly they were the never turned factory rotors
>> with 185,000 miles.  Pulled em off and drove to my local bumper to bumper
>> (best of the evil parts empire in my town).  They said - we don't turn
>> rotors anymore, but I'll sell you new one for almost the same price as
>> turning them.  Pulled the new ones and they were about twice the price as
>> turning them, and when we pulled out the micrometer, were actually thinner
>> then the old ones.  I said no thanks.  Drove all around town and finally
>> found a Midas to turn my old rotors.  All of the parts stores would sell
>> me
>> new ones, but didn't turn them anymore, even the stores like NAPA that
>> primarily cater to repair shops would no longer turn rotors.
>>
>> Anybody else experience this lately?  What are every ones thoughts on new
>> vs. turning the old.  On all of my Lincoln towncar limos the cheap parts
>> store replacements rotors last for about 25K without warping and they are
>> then to thin to turn.  If I order the rotors from ford, the last about
>> 75K,
>> which in limo land is only about 18 months.
>>
>> Thanks for Listening.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> P.S. the rotors were well within specs for turning.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant

2009-09-15 Thread pm7088

I don't turn a rotor to remove an edge. Mount it on a drive wheel and spin 
slowly while I use a 4" disc grinder to remove the edge. If you hold the 
grinder at the right angle, it will drive the rotor for you. 

Done this many times. 


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Windsor, CT 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:14:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant 

Okay All 

This weekend I replaced brakes on Saturday morning on my 97 volvo 960 185K. 
Pulled the rear rotors and they had a large ridge (big enough to get really 
close to the caliper). Clearly they were the never turned factory rotors 
with 185,000 miles. Pulled em off and drove to my local bumper to bumper 
(best of the evil parts empire in my town). They said - we don't turn 
rotors anymore, but I'll sell you new one for almost the same price as 
turning them. Pulled the new ones and they were about twice the price as 
turning them, and when we pulled out the micrometer, were actually thinner 
then the old ones. I said no thanks. Drove all around town and finally 
found a Midas to turn my old rotors. All of the parts stores would sell me 
new ones, but didn't turn them anymore, even the stores like NAPA that 
primarily cater to repair shops would no longer turn rotors. 

Anybody else experience this lately? What are every ones thoughts on new 
vs. turning the old. On all of my Lincoln towncar limos the cheap parts 
store replacements rotors last for about 25K without warping and they are 
then to thin to turn. If I order the rotors from ford, the last about 75K, 
which in limo land is only about 18 months. 

Thanks for Listening. 

Peter 

P.S. the rotors were well within specs for turning. 
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Re: [MBZ] REBUILT ELECTRICAL ACCYS

2009-09-15 Thread Kevin

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:13:57AM -0400, Mitch Haley wrote:
> theprofil...@dwx.com wrote:
> >I have now replaced three lifetime warrented NAPA alternators in 60k miles.
> 
> Crap. I had figured NAPA for the last place remaining to get reliable stuff.
> 
> I guess we're down to OEM, crap, and high performance stuff that costs more 
> than OEM and may or may not be crap.

The 87 chevy truck has a newish starter on it, probably two years old with 
maybe 6000 miles on it.

The solenoid is already failing. 

It came from NAPA, who generally has decent stuff, but I've come to dislike
their rebuilt electronics.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant

2009-09-15 Thread E M

I haven't turned rotors for abou 15 years, I just buy new.  My luck in the
past with turned rotors was they would warp much easier.  Also, I found if
the hub had any rust, you have to clean it really well to get it to seat
properly and true.  I'm a bit lazy too, I like working with new clean
parts.

Ed
300E

2009/9/15 Peter Hertzing 

> Okay All
>
> This weekend I replaced brakes on Saturday morning on my 97 volvo 960 185K.
> Pulled the rear rotors and they had a large ridge (big enough to get really
> close to the caliper).  Clearly they were the never turned factory rotors
> with 185,000 miles.  Pulled em off and drove to my local bumper to bumper
> (best of the evil parts empire in my town).  They said - we don't turn
> rotors anymore, but I'll sell you new one for almost the same price as
> turning them.  Pulled the new ones and they were about twice the price as
> turning them, and when we pulled out the micrometer, were actually thinner
> then the old ones.  I said no thanks.  Drove all around town and finally
> found a Midas to turn my old rotors.  All of the parts stores would sell me
> new ones, but didn't turn them anymore, even the stores like NAPA that
> primarily cater to repair shops would no longer turn rotors.
>
> Anybody else experience this lately?  What are every ones thoughts on new
> vs. turning the old.  On all of my Lincoln towncar limos the cheap parts
> store replacements rotors last for about 25K without warping and they are
> then to thin to turn.  If I order the rotors from ford, the last about 75K,
> which in limo land is only about 18 months.
>
> Thanks for Listening.
>
> Peter
>
> P.S. the rotors were well within specs for turning.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant

12 bucks each. New from Volvo?  the 2 sets of "new ones" I looked at were
basically already at spec for replacement according to the stamp on my
factory rotors.

Peter

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Rusty Cullens  wrote:

> How much did you pay to turn them? I have them brand new for $28.00
>
>
> Rusty Cullens
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> - Original Message - From: "Peter Hertzing" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:14 AM
> Subject: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant
>
>
>   Okay All
>>
>> This weekend I replaced brakes on Saturday morning on my 97 volvo 960
>> 185K.
>> Pulled the rear rotors and they had a large ridge (big enough to get
>> really
>> close to the caliper).  Clearly they were the never turned factory rotors
>> with 185,000 miles.  Pulled em off and drove to my local bumper to bumper
>> (best of the evil parts empire in my town).  They said - we don't turn
>> rotors anymore, but I'll sell you new one for almost the same price as
>> turning them.  Pulled the new ones and they were about twice the price as
>> turning them, and when we pulled out the micrometer, were actually thinner
>> then the old ones.  I said no thanks.  Drove all around town and finally
>> found a Midas to turn my old rotors.  All of the parts stores would sell
>> me
>> new ones, but didn't turn them anymore, even the stores like NAPA that
>> primarily cater to repair shops would no longer turn rotors.
>>
>> Anybody else experience this lately?  What are every ones thoughts on new
>> vs. turning the old.  On all of my Lincoln towncar limos the cheap parts
>> store replacements rotors last for about 25K without warping and they are
>> then to thin to turn.  If I order the rotors from ford, the last about
>> 75K,
>> which in limo land is only about 18 months.
>>
>> Thanks for Listening.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> P.S. the rotors were well within specs for turning.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant


Peter Hertzing wrote:

All of the parts stores would sell me
new ones, but didn't turn them anymore, even the stores like NAPA that
primarily cater to repair shops would no longer turn rotors.


My local NAPA turns rotors and drums, but the price is a lot higher than in the 
1980s. Carquest has a repair facility and machine shop about 20 miles from here, 
all the Carquest stores put machining jobs on the truck and send them to the 
central shop.


Last I knew, anybody who did brake work had their own lathe and did not want to 
waste time taking rotors to NAPA. You pull the rotors/drums off, and then you 
run the lathe while you swap out pads, shoes, springs, etc. The summer I worked 
for a towing service we had our own lathe, but the only thing I recall using it 
on was our own tow trucks.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] REBUILT ELECTRICAL ACCYS

Yea - My guy is pretty pricy as well - but by the time you ad shipping into
an order price and figure out he can get it done in a day, The price starts
to feel pretty cheap.

Peter

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Peter Hertzing wrote:
>
>> I have started using a local rebuilder for Alt and Starters.  Havent'
>> replaced or sent one back since.
>>
>
> My local rebuilder does good work, but gets serious bucks for a full job
> (like $125 for a Denso alternator I had him rebuild 10 years ago) but has
> always been good with individual pieces.
> "Can you check my windings and diode pack and true up this commutator on
> your lathe? Oh, and I need to buy front and rear bearings and a brush set."
> The latter approach might cost me $35 instead of $125, but I don't get the
> warranty and I have to disassemble and reassemble it myself.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant

2009-09-15 Thread Rusty Cullens


How much did you pay to turn them? I have them brand new for $28.00


Rusty Cullens
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From: "Peter Hertzing" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:14 AM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant



Okay All

This weekend I replaced brakes on Saturday morning on my 97 volvo 960 
185K.
Pulled the rear rotors and they had a large ridge (big enough to get 
really

close to the caliper).  Clearly they were the never turned factory rotors
with 185,000 miles.  Pulled em off and drove to my local bumper to bumper
(best of the evil parts empire in my town).  They said - we don't turn
rotors anymore, but I'll sell you new one for almost the same price as
turning them.  Pulled the new ones and they were about twice the price as
turning them, and when we pulled out the micrometer, were actually thinner
then the old ones.  I said no thanks.  Drove all around town and finally
found a Midas to turn my old rotors.  All of the parts stores would sell 
me

new ones, but didn't turn them anymore, even the stores like NAPA that
primarily cater to repair shops would no longer turn rotors.

Anybody else experience this lately?  What are every ones thoughts on new
vs. turning the old.  On all of my Lincoln towncar limos the cheap parts
store replacements rotors last for about 25K without warping and they are
then to thin to turn.  If I order the rotors from ford, the last about 
75K,

which in limo land is only about 18 months.

Thanks for Listening.

Peter

P.S. the rotors were well within specs for turning.
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Re: [MBZ] Door sill covere

2009-09-15 Thread WILTON

On a 126, they are held in place by friction (a thin ridge of sheet metal 
slips into a groove on underside of the plastic); can just pry them up and 
push/tap them back down.  '123 may be same or similar; not sure; 'don't 
think I ever a 123 one off.


Wilton

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From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:12 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Door sill covere


How do I remove the plastic door sill cover on a 123 so that I can slide 
the carpet back under it?





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Re: [MBZ] REBUILT ELECTRICAL ACCYS


Peter Hertzing wrote:

I have started using a local rebuilder for Alt and Starters.  Havent'
replaced or sent one back since.


My local rebuilder does good work, but gets serious bucks for a full job (like 
$125 for a Denso alternator I had him rebuild 10 years ago) but has always been 
good with individual pieces.
"Can you check my windings and diode pack and true up this commutator on your 
lathe? Oh, and I need to buy front and rear bearings and a brush set." The 
latter approach might cost me $35 instead of $125, but I don't get the warranty 
and I have to disassemble and reassemble it myself.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] OT Brake Rotor rant

Okay All

This weekend I replaced brakes on Saturday morning on my 97 volvo 960 185K.
Pulled the rear rotors and they had a large ridge (big enough to get really
close to the caliper). Clearly they were the never turned factory rotors
with 185,000 miles. Pulled em off and drove to my local bumper to bumper
(best of the evil parts empire in my town). They said - we don't turn
rotors anymore, but I'll sell you new one for almost the same price as
turning them. Pulled the new ones and they were about twice the price as
turning them, and when we pulled out the micrometer, were actually thinner
then the old ones. I said no thanks. Drove all around town and finally
found a Midas to turn my old rotors. All of the parts stores would sell me
new ones, but didn't turn them anymore, even the stores like NAPA that
primarily cater to repair shops would no longer turn rotors.

Anybody else experience this lately? What are every ones thoughts on new
vs. turning the old. On all of my Lincoln towncar limos the cheap parts
store replacements rotors last for about 25K without warping and they are
then to thin to turn. If I order the rotors from ford, the last about 75K,
which in limo land is only about 18 months.

Thanks for Listening.

Peter

P.S. the rotors were well within specs for turning.
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Re: [MBZ] REBUILT ELECTRICAL ACCYS


theprofil...@dwx.com wrote:

I have now replaced three lifetime warrented NAPA alternators in 60k miles.


Crap. I had figured NAPA for the last place remaining to get reliable stuff.

I guess we're down to OEM, crap, and high performance stuff that costs more than 
OEM and may or may not be crap.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] Door sill covere

2009-09-15 Thread Dimitri Seretakis

How do I remove the plastic door sill cover on a 123 so that I can slide the 
carpet back under it? 


  

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Re: [MBZ] REBUILT ELECTRICAL ACCYS

I have started using a local rebuilder for Alt and Starters.  Havent'
replaced or sent one back since.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:00 AM, theprofil...@dwx.com
wrote:

> I have now replaced three lifetime warrented NAPA alternators in 60k miles.
> All installed correctly.
> I'm getting pretty sick of replacing them, even though it costs me nothing
> but an hour of getting
> greasy. Next time, Rusty. (I started this cycle before I joined the list
> and knew of Rusty.)
>
> Dan
> 300SD, 319k, Des Moines
>
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[MBZ] REBUILT ELECTRICAL ACCYS

2009-09-15 Thread theprofil...@dwx.com

I have now replaced three lifetime warrented NAPA alternators in 60k miles. All 
installed correctly. 
I'm getting pretty sick of replacing them, even though it costs me nothing but 
an hour of getting 
greasy. Next time, Rusty. (I started this cycle before I joined the list and 
knew of Rusty.)

Dan
300SD, 319k, Des Moines


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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

2009-09-15 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:40:12 -0500 OK Don  wrote:

> Doesn't it also increase with temperature - tending to reduce current as
> more goes through it?

Yes, the resistance of a tungsten filament lamp does increase with
temperature. It's lowest when the lamp is off.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.