Re: [MBZ] OT: Laptop info needed
On Jan 25, 2013 10:33 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: won't. One has something to do with the USB interface and so the program runs fine but can't communicate with the external hardware. I know you love virtual box, but have you tried this one under VMWare Player? I have had uncanny success using USB peripherals through my Linux host to my Windows VM on the newest Player builds. I vaguely recall there is a way to flip the this is running inside a VM bit with the VMX, but that doesn't change the license so probably wouldn't do you any good. Of course there is also the fact that I no longer can find all the program disks to reinstall the programs I have. Ah. That will be a problem no matter _what_ you do for a new computer. New hardware or new virtual machine will both need installers. Not necessarily, VMWare Converter (free) will convert an existing machine into a VMWare image. I assume from that point you could further convert to another image type. In any case if there were programs I needed for work and I didn't have the install disks, I would install VMWare Converter, run out and get an external drive bigger than the base computer, and make a backup image ASAP. I would probably even pay the markup to get the drive locally. Otherwise you are one hard drive crash from never being able to use those programs again, at least not without a lot of unnecessary effort. You don't have to set up the VM infrastructure immediately or even soon, but you are really going to want that image at some point. Best, Tim has a Seagate on the mantle to be RMA'd ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine Miss
Glad you found it! For wires, Beru is the only way to go. Kingsborne sells some good sets, or the parts to build your own. Or you can get some Beru sets in a few places Jaime On Friday, January 25, 2013, clay monroe wrote: Another winner! Three hours this morning for the indy to do that dance and find the new bosch wires were faulty. Poor craftsmanship on mating the boots to the wires and after running for a few hundred miles the wires had moved from making contact to making arcs and once he found there was no difference with swapping injectors he decided to swap wires around. clay On Jan 25, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Dieselhead wrote: I know nothing about that vintage gasser FI. However the M116 engine of the 80s had a system where you could pull up the whole octopus of the fuel distributor and all 8 lines and watch what it did while cranking the engine over. If that works on your engine, then that is a simple way to isolate problems. If you swap the injector from the dead cyl with another cyl does the problem move with the injector or stay with the cyl? Or, can you pull one inj from the dead cyl and hook it to the line outside the engine? If so, then crank and watch the spray, same as a diesel spray test. If you have compression and ignition, and can determine if you have fuel, then you are left with air. is there an obstruction in the intake manifold? Have you double checked firing order and engine cyl numbering system? The under hood cats were either '75 '76 or '76 '77. You should not have them. You do have that earlier fuel injection system that I know nothing about at all. OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
I'm going to wait for the current ridiculousness to end before I purchase. The short grip of the 26 can be fixed with a longer magazine fitted with a slip-on grip at the bottom, which is the same diameter/profile as the pistol grip. Thanks for the tip on the Arcus 98. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 25, 2013 6:26 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Model 19 or 26? I'm surprised you can find either. Local gun shops can't keep anything in stock these days. I just walked by the gun counter at Fred Meyer (a PNW Target-like chain) and they had no handguns except a couple of single-action cowboy revolvers and a lonely Glock 21. FWIW, I don't like the short grip on the 26, but YMMV depending on the size of your hands. If you like the Hi-Power but are on a budget, check out the Arcus 98, a Bulgarian Hi-Power clone. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues
The blade was likely powered by an early gasoline engine. Ours was a 12-cylinder Packard. It's still out in the woods. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues
For that matter at some point you'd get worried about being able to breathe... We had the a lot of work done at camp last summer, walls insulated, new windows, tongue and groove pine interior, new door. With all that done we were surprised that we now can't run the range hood with the woodstove going if we don't open a window... That was while I could still see light between the boards where the roof meets the wall... We've since had the ceiling insulated, added structure and the pine tongue and groove. It'll be interesting to learn to live with a very tight camp. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:02:52 -0700 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID: 20130125210252.50ce09e4215369fb719f6...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 24/01/2013 7:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I have been working on sealing literally every penetration of the ceiling of our living space. I had a blower door test done last week, and the guy who did it was stunned at how well sealed our house was. Where does the make-up air for your kitchen vent hood and bath vents come from? Do you have any fuel-burning applicances in your house? Where does the make-up air for them come from? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Engine Miss
An inline spark tester might have caught this one. I've got one, works a treat... -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:25:37 -0800 From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Engine Miss Message-ID: 4672baa8-665f-4e6d-b8b8-72a5925f8...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not that I saw. He is a former dealer service guy. Since dealer no longer works on old cars, there was money to be made as an indy. Very few gassers on the road here. His bread and butter are diesels. Yesterday he spent his time chasing an electrical gremlin in an SD. 7 hours. Found it. OBD stuff does not work on Gump, Froggy or the E300D. Does not have ports or has worthless codes. He did use the meters and amp clamp. It showed all good for spark. or arc. clay On Jan 25, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: clay monroe wrote: And what do you know, You win the prize Turned out that $1500 later the chase for the missing miss ended up being the new wires I installed from Q. Bosch wires with quality issues that after a few hundred miles gave up the ghost. Boots were not attached well to the wires and began arcing. This is the miss. So the indy doesn't own an ohmmeter or an oscilloscope? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laptop info needed
Thank you for clearing up some of my misconceptions Philip. The problem with the program disks is not a problem if the computer is running XP directly as the disk will be either exchanged with the disk already in the computer or if the disk in the computer is bigger then the old disk will be cloned onto the new disk. That way everything will still work, or should anyway. If a used/refurbished Asus G1 or G1s was not so expensive then I would get another one of them but it seems like they cost upwards of $1000 or more for the couple I have found. Course those may have been on old pages from years ago, can't tell. The one I have went to Iraq in 05 with my daughter and lasted till now when I screwed up and forgot to clean the radiator so that the video chip overheated and died. Manfred Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:31:07 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Laptop info needed Of course there is also the fact that I no longer can find all the program disks to reinstall the programs I have. Ah. That will be a problem no matter _what_ you do for a new computer. New hardware or new virtual machine will both need installers. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues
You forget oil. Much of the northeast heats with oil. In older houses here hydronic is pretty common, usually in the form of baseboard hot water though theres still a fair amount of steam around. Its much easier to add (like in my house) baseboard than to run ducts for hot air. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:20:19 -0700 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID: 20130125222019.b78ee6064c77339a64cdf...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:37:39 -0800 clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: This is curious on a lot of levels SWMBA is moving herself to the great white north next year. So she is leaving you behind? I wonder about CO with the place all buttoned up tight for six months. It depends upon whether you have a gas water heater and furnace and how tight the place actually is. It would likely be no more problem than if you were there, the amount of CO in the air probably reaches steady-state overnight. In addition, when you are away, there are no vent fans run. You can set a gas water heater to pilot and not have much consumption from that. You can turn down the temperature on the furnace. How do they deal with the moisture added to the dry air and not get mold? Not running the humidifier when away will prevent that problem and save electricity and water to boot. But if it's dry air to start ... I am told there is not much forced air heat, since the availability of NG is dropping. No way to get it from the ground to town. Actually, natural gas prices in the U.S. are dropping because of the increased supply with fracking. The U.S. will shortly become a natural gas exporter. Whether there is not much forced air heat has nothing to do with natural gas. The only other major energy sources are propane and electricity, both of which fuel forced air heating systems as well as boilers for hydronic heat, just like natural gas does. But you don't say where there is not much forced air heat Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues
Lately I seem to have a wife with the same problem. It seems like the time for her to close the door is inversely proportional to the temperature outside. She'll come inside and stomp all around, take off her coat, check the mail, run the answering machine, then go close the door. The likelyhood of us having a fight is directly proportional to my saying Shut the dammed door! Do you live in a barn? Fortunately she's the one what pays for the oil. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:47:02 -0600 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID: bay405-eas234138e59ca6815adff51fddd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jan 25, 2013, at 10:33 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I have a kid who does not understand how a door functions. Me too. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
Thanks Greg. Newbie, no idea what +P+ ammo is. How was the 19's recoil with normal ammo, like what you would use at a range? Most of my experience has been with military issue Beretta 9mm, which I can shoot just fine but the grip is too fat and I despise the muzzle climb. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: I carried the 19 daily for quite a while. The only downside was the harsh snap when +P+ ammo was fired in it. If this is for concealed carry the 19 is a good choice. If size is not an issue the 17 is more comfortable to shoot and a bit more accurate. I foolishly traded away my early Austrian made M17. Never fired a Hi-power. The Glock 9mms are reliable, light-weight and accurate. They do not recommend non-jacketed ammo if that is a concern. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? Model 19 or 26? The only semi-auto pistol of significant caliber that I really enjoy shooting is a Browning Hi-Power that is owned by a relative. There is basically no muzzle climb. A friend who is a big Glock fan advises that the model 19 will have the best recoil characteristics. Anyone here have experience with a 19, and a 26 or a Hi-Power? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
I love that gun as well. What did you pay? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I bought a real colt 1911 last year, it's a great gun, I do not like glocks Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Model 19 or 26? The only semi-auto pistol of significant caliber that I really enjoy shooting is a Browning Hi-Power that is owned by a relative. There is basically no muzzle climb. A friend who is a big Glock fan advises that the model 19 will have the best recoil characteristics. Anyone here have experience with a 19, and a 26 or a Hi-Power? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 1 or 2 of each! 1 or 2 of each? Personally, I think they are fugly. I have wanted a 19 1 1 4 5AC P for a long time. Last fall I had the chance to fire one at the Brownell's range. It bit me between the thumb and forefinger. Not sure if it was the slide or the hammer, but I think it was the slide. So I think I would be looking further or at least trying to figger out what caused the bite and how to avoid it other than wearing gloves. I do recommend trying before you buy. Since you are young, suave and debonair, I think you should get a PP K and look like Bond, James Bond. It would go well with your SSK too! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks
'Did such as that several years ago at dept store for suit, shirts, etc. Salesman was so pushy on getting me a store credit card with its 20% off, etc., I said OK. 'Paid it off with first bill and canceled card at same time; never paid any interest. If that's the way they insist on playing, maybe I can play, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - pickem-up trucks Bank or loan originator. Kick back to finance, because they expect to make more in the interest. Best way to purchase is to let them do paperwork for financing, it loosens them up about dropping price. You have very little cash out of pocket that day, and you have 30 days to pay off in full before the loan kicks in. I tried to argue with the sales fellow about just taking my cash for a car in the 90's. He was adamant that I would get a better deal by financing. Had his manager explain that the bank pays them to sell financing. Dealer could care less if you pay it the next day, he sold the car, bank kicked back for getting another sucker on the line, and you got another $500 off the price. clay On Jan 25, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Cash buyer? You will get a better deal financing, that is where dealers make money Wanna run that math by me? If the dealer's making money, who's he getting it from if not me? Cash is King. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
Thanks Scott. Purpose would be range time, all my weapons have home defense as primary or secondary function. Prefer a pump shotgun for home. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I think you need to consider your intended use and situation. For home defense or the range, big and heavy is good. For carry small and light is good, up to a point. The fit with your hand is a totally individual thing; even with Glock, gen 3 and gen 4 fit the hand differently. I have a CZ85 (ambidextrous 75) which is similar to a Hi-Power; it's a great shooter but I wouldn't want to carry it all the time. Even for a carry gun, your build is an important factor. So it's great to solicit opinions and experience from others but there are many individual factors to consider. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? Model 19 or 26? The only semi-auto pistol of significant caliber that I really enjoy shooting is a Browning Hi-Power that is owned by a relative. There is basically no muzzle climb. A friend who is a big Glock fan advises that the model 19 will have the best recoil characteristics. Anyone here have experience with a 19, and a 26 or a Hi-Power? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
$800 including the gun, nice leather shoulder holster, laser site(which I don't have attached), and about 500 rounds of ammo. The gun has had much work done to the ramp, trigger, etc, very smooth shooting gun Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2013, at 9:11 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I love that gun as well. What did you pay? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I bought a real colt 1911 last year, it's a great gun, I do not like glocks Sent from my iPhone On Jan 25, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Model 19 or 26? The only semi-auto pistol of significant caliber that I really enjoy shooting is a Browning Hi-Power that is owned by a relative. There is basically no muzzle climb. A friend who is a big Glock fan advises that the model 19 will have the best recoil characteristics. Anyone here have experience with a 19, and a 26 or a Hi-Power? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 1 or 2 of each! 1 or 2 of each? Personally, I think they are fugly. I have wanted a 19 1 1 4 5AC P for a long time. Last fall I had the chance to fire one at the Brownell's range. It bit me between the thumb and forefinger. Not sure if it was the slide or the hammer, but I think it was the slide. So I think I would be looking further or at least trying to figger out what caused the bite and how to avoid it other than wearing gloves. I do recommend trying before you buy. Since you are young, suave and debonair, I think you should get a PP K and look like Bond, James Bond. It would go well with your SSK too! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
On Jan 26, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Thanks Greg. Newbie, no idea what +P+ ammo is. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpressure_ammunition It helps to make .380's and .38's viable CCW defensive weapons. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
On Jan 26, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm going to wait for the current ridiculousness to end before I purchase. How old are you? It's going to be a long while. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
On Jan 26, 2013 5:12 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The short grip of the 26 can be fixed with a longer magazine fitted with a slip-on grip at the bottom, Those grip extenders are notorious for causing reliability problems. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
The short grip of the 26 can be fixed with a longer magazine fitted with a slip-on grip at the bottom, Those grip extenders are notorious for causing reliability problems. Get a grip! (Don't extend it, buy it long enough in the first place. Aka 19, 17.) Glock grips _are_ a bit fat, but they're all double-stack magazines. GG was after military contracts, no way he was going to make the thinner single-stack kind. (Not at first, anyway, and I don't think he's changed that.) Have I told my Glock story? When I first bought my house was about the same time a buddy bought his first gun, a G17. I had acreage, so he came out here to try it out. (Range time costs, and he wanted some outside fun too.) Three of us there to try it out. I had some dying oranges, three of them, so I jammed sticks in the ground and the oranges on top. A: Fills gun, aims at orange, misses. x18. E: Fills gun, aims at orange, misses. x18. I: Fills gun, aims at orange, hit. x2. (Then misses x16.) I would have given nearly _anything_ for that third shot to be a hit. I would have handed it back, with 15 still in it, and said nice gun. I had no pistol experience up 'til then, and certainly despised his choice of weapon as being all plastic and ugly. A Toyota, in other words. (I mostly held my tongue, though, no need to crap on his parade.) The problem is, it actually works pretty well in spite of everything I don't like about it. It's an excellent utility piece. The one to loan to friends when they go out drinking. Or diving in salt water. Esthetically I prefer old-school work. Like a SW N-frame, or my 200D. I _would_ like to get one of their entrenching shovels (one of GG's early products). I'd carry it to a party under my coat, and then ask this guy if he wanted to see my new Glock. I got as many shots as you'll hold still for! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
It helps to make .380's and .38's viable CCW defensive weapons. Some friends had a sweet .380, the large Colt I think, and it was very pleasant to shoot. I wanted one. Another friend was looking for home defense and was drawn to the small cuteness of a .380, so we went to the range and rented every one they had. They all were _horrible_ in terms of pain to shoot, they were all optimized for CC, unlike that bigger Colt. She ended up going bigger, once she realized that all that static mass she didn't like had a pretty good functional purpose. It made practicing fun, and your second shot nearly as good as your first. For home defense my grandpa used to say that even better than the first shot was the chack-chack from the bedroom as you pumped in the first shell. Few miscreants will stick around after hearing that, and you don't have to clean up any blood. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
I'm just about half way done on this earth, will see at least another ten presidential elections. I think in a year or less this will all have blown over. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jan 26, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm going to wait for the current ridiculousness to end before I purchase. How old are you? It's going to be a long while. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 26, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm going to wait for the current ridiculousness to end before I purchase. How old are you? It's going to be a long while. On Jan 26, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I think in a year or less this will all have blown over. That is your prediction? Are you still on Banned? If so, I will post my predictions there. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The pump action of a shot gun remains one if the most feared sounds in America. Having said that, experiences perps and even menacing dogs know when you're loading a clip. No shot is necessary. The just move on. On Saturday, January 26, 2013, Jim Cathey wrote: It helps to make .380's and .38's viable CCW defensive weapons. Some friends had a sweet .380, the large Colt I think, and it was very pleasant to shoot. I wanted one. Another friend was looking for home defense and was drawn to the small cuteness of a .380, so we went to the range and rented every one they had. They all were _horrible_ in terms of pain to shoot, they were all optimized for CC, unlike that bigger Colt. She ended up going bigger, once she realized that all that static mass she didn't like had a pretty good functional purpose. It made practicing fun, and your second shot nearly as good as your first. For home defense my grandpa used to say that even better than the first shot was the chack-chack from the bedroom as you pumped in the first shell. Few miscreants will stick around after hearing that, and you don't have to clean up any blood. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The super-tight houses that are supposed to be energy neutral use an under ground pipe to source fresh air - the ground helps heats the cold air before it gets to the house. Then it passes through a heat exchanger to warm it more - extracting waste heat from whatever might generate it. IIRC, the under ground air pipes were at least 50 feet, more was preferable. On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 7:43 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: For that matter at some point you'd get worried about being able to breathe... We had the a lot of work done at camp last summer, walls insulated, new windows, tongue and groove pine interior, new door. With all that done we were surprised that we now can't run the range hood with the woodstove going if we don't open a window... That was while I could still see light between the boards where the roof meets the wall... We've since had the ceiling insulated, added structure and the pine tongue and groove. It'll be interesting to learn to live with a very tight camp. -Curt Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 21:02:52 -0700 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Message-ID: 20130125210252.50ce09e4215369fb719f6...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 24/01/2013 7:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I have been working on sealing literally every penetration of the ceiling of our living space. I had a blower door test done last week, and the guy who did it was stunned at how well sealed our house was. Where does the make-up air for your kitchen vent hood and bath vents come from? Do you have any fuel-burning applicances in your house? Where does the make-up air for them come from? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hot water has a number of advantages -- easy to add onto (and easy to add loops with separate thermostats for zone control), better heat transfer so costs are lower, and since the baseboard radiator is always warm, no drafts. A neighbor always comments on that when she comes to visit. Very quiet too, normally. We have an installation problem I have not solved (along with a fill of very hard water) so we have air in the pipes, gurgles all winter. I don't notice, but other people do. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A better alternative is to use a simple heat exchanger for a small amount airflow, but supply outside air for things like fireplaces, furnaces, and hot water heaters. My brother used to build houses, and always put in outside air to the front of the fireplace, leaving a slot on the front face just behind the opening. Saves a fortune in wasted conditioned air if you have good glass doors. You also need a proper vapor barrier, else the house goes bone dry. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My brother used to build houses, and always put in outside air to the front of the fireplace, leaving a slot on the front face just behind the opening. Saves a fortune in wasted conditioned air if you have good glass doors. Peter Do you mean a slot in the floor of the fireplace, just inside the glass doors? Our fireplace has no external air source, so we haven't used it. I have been wondering the best way/place to provide outside air to the fire. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That was the idea. With an exterior wall chimney, you can use the ash door (who dumps the ashes down the bottom of the fireplace anyway?). Have to build that in, however. Otherwise, if you can build an insulated duct to the front of the fireplace, do so. Fire burns nicely behind glass doors, no interior air goes up chinmey. Better yet, build in a Heatilator fireplace -- cast iron box with ducts in the interior that pull cold air off the floor and vent heated air from the iron box into the room. With exterior combustion air, you are all set, works like a woodstove but you can see the fire. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm gonna say 2 years, especially if the Republicans correct their rectal cranial inversion and win in the mid-term elections. This is the same cycle we went through starting in 2008 when ammo prices spiked outta sight because Obama is gonna take our guns! Yeah, well, he didn't and there isn't going to be a wholesale ban now either. -Curt Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 12:19:49 -0600 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? Message-ID: bay403-eas393c8896bca485a6619bf0dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jan 26, 2013, at 7:12 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I'm going to wait for the current ridiculousness to end before I purchase. How old are you? It's going to be a long while. On Jan 26, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I think in a year or less this will all have blown over. That is your prediction? Are you still on Banned? If so, I will post my predictions there. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Definitely Bond material! I'm just about half way done on this earth, will see at least another ten presidential elections. I think in a year or less this will all have blown over. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A shotgun is clearly the most effective home defense weapon providing you can get to it, the perp is not too close, and you don't need to move around the house with it. Shotguns have more stopping power than any handgun. Magazine extensions are available to add a couple more shot shells (although it makes the gun a bit front-heavy). But I wouldn't depend on the pump sound to do much. There is a great deal of sensory distortion in high-adrenalin situations; many people don't remember hearing their own shots. On the other hand, pistols usually hold more rounds in the magazine and you can store them securely (in a small pistol safe) in convenient locations in your home. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? The pump action of a shot gun remains one if the most feared sounds in America. Having said that, experiences perps and even menacing dogs know when you're loading a clip. No shot is necessary. The just move on. On Saturday, January 26, 2013, Jim Cathey wrote: It helps to make .380's and .38's viable CCW defensive weapons. Some friends had a sweet .380, the large Colt I think, and it was very pleasant to shoot. I wanted one. Another friend was looking for home defense and was drawn to the small cuteness of a .380, so we went to the range and rented every one they had. They all were _horrible_ in terms of pain to shoot, they were all optimized for CC, unlike that bigger Colt. She ended up going bigger, once she realized that all that static mass she didn't like had a pretty good functional purpose. It made practicing fun, and your second shot nearly as good as your first. For home defense my grandpa used to say that even better than the first shot was the chack-chack from the bedroom as you pumped in the first shell. Few miscreants will stick around after hearing that, and you don't have to clean up any blood. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://m ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have nat. gas-fired circulating hot water plus 3 heat pumps. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues Hot water has a number of advantages -- easy to add onto (and easy to add loops with separate thermostats for zone control), better heat transfer so costs are lower, and since the baseboard radiator is always warm, no drafts. A neighbor always comments on that when she comes to visit. Very quiet too, normally. We have an installation problem I have not solved (along with a fill of very hard water) so we have air in the pipes, gurgles all winter. I don't notice, but other people do. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Retired Long Island detective said a 12 ga with a short barrel and a pistol grip was the best home and car defense weapon. Someone else said the kick from the pistol grip would injure the shooter. Who was correct? Gerry From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com The pump action of a shot gun remains one if the most feared sounds in America. Having said that, experiences perps and even menacing dogs know when you're loading a clip. No shot is necessary. The just move on. On Saturday, January 26, 2013, Jim Cathey wrote: It helps to make .380's and .38's viable CCW defensive weapons. Some friends had a sweet .380, the large Colt I think, and it was very pleasant to shoot. I wanted one. Another friend was looking for home defense and was drawn to the small cuteness of a .380, so we went to the range and rented every one they had. They all were _horrible_ in terms of pain to shoot, they were all optimized for CC, unlike that bigger Colt. She ended up going bigger, once she realized that all that static mass she didn't like had a pretty good functional purpose. It made practicing fun, and your second shot nearly as good as your first. For home defense my grandpa used to say that even better than the first shot was the chack-chack from the bedroom as you pumped in the first shell. Few miscreants will stick around after hearing that, and you don't have to clean up any blood. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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under 18 and no stock has been illegal since about 1930. Being a cop, I am sure he figgered he was immune. Retired Long Island detective said a 12 ga with a short barrel and a pistol grip was the best home and car defense weapon. Someone else said the kick from the pistol grip would injure the shooter. Who was correct? Gerry From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com The pump action of a shot gun remains one if the most feared sounds in America. Having said that, experiences perps and even menacing dogs know when you're loading a clip. No shot is necessary. The just move on. On Saturday, January 26, 2013, Jim Cathey wrote: It helps to make .380's and .38's viable CCW defensive weapons. Some friends had a sweet .380, the large Colt I think, and it was very pleasant to shoot. I wanted one. Another friend was looking for home defense and was drawn to the small cuteness of a .380, so we went to the range and rented every one they had. They all were _horrible_ in terms of pain to shoot, they were all optimized for CC, unlike that bigger Colt. She ended up going bigger, once she realized that all that static mass she didn't like had a pretty good functional purpose. It made practicing fun, and your second shot nearly as good as your first. For home defense my grandpa used to say that even better than the first shot was the chack-chack from the bedroom as you pumped in the first shell. Few miscreants will stick around after hearing that, and you don't have to clean up any blood. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rick wrote: That is your prediction? Are you still on Banned? If so, I will post my predictions there. Did I miss that prediction? Haven't seen it yet... Standard banned closure omitted mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have several shot guns ready to go including one I got for Xmas that is shorter than your normal shot gun, has an adjustable stock, makes it really nice to use in your house. I need to get some of those magnum shells for it but everywhere is sold out, 12 guage. I also have several hand guns I can get to easy in case someone or zombies are trying to come in Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: A shotgun is clearly the most effective home defense weapon providing you can get to it, the perp is not too close, and you don't need to move around the house with it. Shotguns have more stopping power than any handgun. Magazine extensions are available to add a couple more shot shells (although it makes the gun a bit front-heavy). But I wouldn't depend on the pump sound to do much. There is a great deal of sensory distortion in high-adrenalin situations; many people don't remember hearing their own shots. On the other hand, pistols usually hold more rounds in the magazine and you can store them securely (in a small pistol safe) in convenient locations in your home. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Brian Toscano Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:56 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? The pump action of a shot gun remains one if the most feared sounds in America. Having said that, experiences perps and even menacing dogs know when you're loading a clip. No shot is necessary. The just move on. On Saturday, January 26, 2013, Jim Cathey wrote: It helps to make .380's and .38's viable CCW defensive weapons. Some friends had a sweet .380, the large Colt I think, and it was very pleasant to shoot. I wanted one. Another friend was looking for home defense and was drawn to the small cuteness of a .380, so we went to the range and rented every one they had. They all were _horrible_ in terms of pain to shoot, they were all optimized for CC, unlike that bigger Colt. She ended up going bigger, once she realized that all that static mass she didn't like had a pretty good functional purpose. It made practicing fun, and your second shot nearly as good as your first. For home defense my grandpa used to say that even better than the first shot was the chack-chack from the bedroom as you pumped in the first shell. Few miscreants will stick around after hearing that, and you don't have to clean up any blood. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://m ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Brian wrote: The pump action of a shot gun remains one if the most feared sounds in America. Having said that, experiences perps and even menacing dogs know when you're loading a clip. No shot is necessary. The just move on. I recall hearing that same advice on Peter Boyles radio show from Denver after the Alan Berg shooting in about 1988 when we lived in the moose pasture east of CSpgs - Drennan. What is consensus about 40 or 9 vs 45? As I recall hearing, small pokes holes, whereas large tends to end the confrontation due to perp is knocked down whether poked or not. Any experience or stories about this? I think it fruitless to be armed against perps in the house. They have upper hand once in the door is my estimation. There ain't enuf time or hope that I can conger not to stand in front of my family and be taken down first - this place ain't no home. Closing omitted mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have shot many high powered shot guns with pistol grip and have not had any problems, but is you are not used to guns I could see how it would be easy to injure yourself or others Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Retired Long Island detective said a 12 ga with a short barrel and a pistol grip was the best home and car defense weapon. Someone else said the kick from the pistol grip would injure the shooter. Who was correct? Gerry From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com The pump action of a shot gun remains one if the most feared sounds in America. Having said that, experiences perps and even menacing dogs know when you're loading a clip. No shot is necessary. The just move on. On Saturday, January 26, 2013, Jim Cathey wrote: It helps to make .380's and .38's viable CCW defensive weapons. Some friends had a sweet .380, the large Colt I think, and it was very pleasant to shoot. I wanted one. Another friend was looking for home defense and was drawn to the small cuteness of a .380, so we went to the range and rented every one they had. They all were _horrible_ in terms of pain to shoot, they were all optimized for CC, unlike that bigger Colt. She ended up going bigger, once she realized that all that static mass she didn't like had a pretty good functional purpose. It made practicing fun, and your second shot nearly as good as your first. For home defense my grandpa used to say that even better than the first shot was the chack-chack from the bedroom as you pumped in the first shell. Few miscreants will stick around after hearing that, and you don't have to clean up any blood. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb wrote: I also have several hand guns I can get to easy in case someone or zombies are trying to come in Shut-Up. The agencies read this stuff - waaay too many keywords to consider okie-benz as decent firewall. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sounds like BS from both of them. Firing a 12 ga. is only likely to hurt if you put the buttstock against your shoulder loosely and it pounds you with the recoil. OTOH firing a lot of factory load slugs from a shotgun is not going to be fun, and may leave you a bit bruised. Recoil should be taken by the shoulder, not the hand. Firing from a low position you hold with both hands but let the gun recoil freely to your side. Painless. I think you'd have to exit the vehicle to be able to use the shotgun, so only a good car defense weapon if you have time to get out. LEOs carry a shotgun in a vehicle as an additional choice to the handgun, not instead of the handgun. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Archer Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? Retired Long Island detective said a 12 ga with a short barrel and a pistol grip was the best home and car defense weapon. Someone else said the kick from the pistol grip would injure the shooter. Who was correct? Gerry From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com The pump action of a shot gun remains one if the most feared sounds in America. Having said that, experiences perps and even menacing dogs know when you're loading a clip. No shot is necessary. The just move on. On Saturday, January 26, 2013, Jim Cathey wrote: It helps to make .380's and .38's viable CCW defensive weapons. Some friends had a sweet .380, the large Colt I think, and it was very pleasant to shoot. I wanted one. Another friend was looking for home defense and was drawn to the small cuteness of a .380, so we went to the range and rented every one they had. They all were _horrible_ in terms of pain to shoot, they were all optimized for CC, unlike that bigger Colt. She ended up going bigger, once she realized that all that static mass she didn't like had a pretty good functional purpose. It made practicing fun, and your second shot nearly as good as your first. For home defense my grandpa used to say that even better than the first shot was the chack-chack from the bedroom as you pumped in the first shell. Few miscreants will stick around after hearing that, and you don't have to clean up any blood. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
The +P+ ammo we had to use for street carry was also known as Treasury Loads and was not available for sale to the public. Back in the day there was a lot of controversy over the use of 9mm for law enforcement, as it was considered marginal for the 1-shot stop standard. The standard was that one center-mass shot should stop an assailant most of the time. There were a few situations where LEOs had to hit with multiple rounds in order to end a fight, leading to public criticism for excessive force. The USDOJ determined that over-pressure 9mm rounds would do the job better and accepted the +P+ 9mm as standard duty carry for some agencies. As this proved not entirely satisfactory in terms of the long-term effects on the firearms. This led to the creation of the .40 cal, a joint project of SW and some elements of the DOJ. The M19 handles beautifully with standard 9mm ammo. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:09 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? Thanks Greg. Newbie, no idea what +P+ ammo is. How was the 19's recoil with normal ammo, like what you would use at a range? Most of my experience has been with military issue Beretta 9mm, which I can shoot just fine but the grip is too fat and I despise the muzzle climb. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: I carried the 19 daily for quite a while. The only downside was the harsh snap when +P+ ammo was fired in it. If this is for concealed carry the 19 is a good choice. If size is not an issue the 17 is more comfortable to shoot and a bit more accurate. I foolishly traded away my early Austrian made M17. Never fired a Hi-power. The Glock 9mms are reliable, light-weight and accurate. They do not recommend non-jacketed ammo if that is a concern. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 6:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? Model 19 or 26? The only semi-auto pistol of significant caliber that I really enjoy shooting is a Browning Hi-Power that is owned by a relative. There is basically no muzzle climb. A friend who is a big Glock fan advises that the model 19 will have the best recoil characteristics. Anyone here have experience with a 19, and a 26 or a Hi-Power? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
Rick, Haven't paid attention to banned for a couple years now. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I think in a year or less this will all have blown over. That is your prediction? Are you still on Banned? If so, I will post my predictions there. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? Now revolvers
At 12:58 PM 1/26/2013, Jim Cathey wrote: (snip) Esthetically I prefer old-school work. Like a SW N-frame (snip) Yes! Now you are talking. Revolvers typically are more accurate, with a better trigger, safer, more reliable, and are best suited for reloading your own ammunition. I can't understand why auto-loaders are popular, outside of competitive target shooting where they make timed and rapid fire events easier. Here's my introduction to pistol shooting story. When I was a kid the only firearm in the house was my father's !911 .45 ACP which he kept in the bedroom dresser drawer. I was about 8 and my brother 11 when he finally gave in to our pestering and agreed to show us how to shoot it. It was loud, it kicked, and none of us could hit a tin can much more than 10 feet away. What a bummer. My uncle, who was also present, let us shoot his SW K38 target revolver. What a revelation! Since then I have fired many thousands of rounds in handguns, but only under duress do I use auto-loaders. I urge all you handguners to try at least one quality target revolver before your shooting days are over. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The Gods are less for their love of praise. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
Have you ever shot a Walther PPK? I haven't, and I can't say that I've heard of any redeeming quality except the Bond connection. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely Bond material! I'm just about half way done on this earth, will see at least another ten presidential elections. I think in a year or less this will all have blown over. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
Okay. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Rick, Haven't paid attention to banned for a couple years now. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I think in a year or less this will all have blown over. That is your prediction? Are you still on Banned? If so, I will post my predictions there. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
Yes, zombies are drawn to Mercedes drivers, we must have larger or higher quality brains to drive such fine automobiles. Okie acres is a positive zombie magnet. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I have several shot guns ready to go including one I got for Xmas that is shorter than your normal shot gun, has an adjustable stock, makes it really nice to use in your house. I need to get some of those magnum shells for it but everywhere is sold out, 12 guage. I also have several hand guns I can get to easy in case someone or zombies are trying to come in ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
Greg, that's what I was looking for. Need to test drive a 19, more importantly get SWMBO some trigger time as well. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: The M19 handles beautifully with standard 9mm ammo. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
Scott Ritchey wrote: A shotgun is clearly the most effective home defense weapon providing you can get to it, the perp is not too close, and you don't need to move around the house with it. Shotguns have more stopping power than any handgun. Magazine extensions are available to add a couple more shot shells (although it makes the gun a bit front-heavy). But I wouldn't depend on the pump sound to do much. I did the pump sound thing once. Woke in the night, thought I heard a voice. Cracked open a window, racked the 12ga, went back to bed with the shotgun in reach. Didn't hear another sound and was asleep again in 1/2 hour or so. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? Now revolvers
Yes, revolvers are wonderful to shoot. The N-frame SW M27 or the Colt Python are lovely...until you actually have to carry one all day. Not to mention the bulk if you are trying to carry concealed. But the real reason all law enforcement now carry pistols rather than revolvers is the ability to reload quickly. Despite the fact that some of our leaders today say you only need 7 or 10 rounds for self-defense (or just 2 shotgun shells), all LEOs carry 2 spare magazines on their belts as well as a full mag in the pistol and 1 in the chamber. That's a total of 37 rounds of .40 cal. You can never be too rich, too thin, have too many friends or too much ammo. In real gunfights there are more misses than hits even at close range. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of David Kristin Gilmore Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 4:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? Now revolvers At 12:58 PM 1/26/2013, Jim Cathey wrote: (snip) Esthetically I prefer old-school work. Like a SW N-frame (snip) Yes! Now you are talking. Revolvers typically are more accurate, with a better trigger, safer, more reliable, and are best suited for reloading your own ammunition. I can't understand why auto-loaders are popular, outside of competitive target shooting where they make timed and rapid fire events easier. Here's my introduction to pistol shooting story. When I was a kid the only firearm in the house was my father's !911 .45 ACP which he kept in the bedroom dresser drawer. I was about 8 and my brother 11 when he finally gave in to our pestering and agreed to show us how to shoot it. It was loud, it kicked, and none of us could hit a tin can much more than 10 feet away. What a bummer. My uncle, who was also present, let us shoot his SW K38 target revolver. What a revelation! Since then I have fired many thousands of rounds in handguns, but only under duress do I use auto-loaders. I urge all you handguners to try at least one quality target revolver before your shooting days are over. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The Gods are less for their love of praise. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
Dieselhead wrote: under 18 and no stock has been illegal since about 1930. Being a cop, I am sure he figgered he was immune. Had a dealer tell me that combining the factory 18.5 barrel with the factory pistol grip would make it too short and require me to register it as a handgun, I assume under Michigan state law. Playing around with the buttstock and pistol grip replacement stock I didn't see much advantage to the pistol grip, it just removed the option of firing from the shoulder. So the pistol grip sits in a drawer somewhere, and the shotgun sits in the bedroom with full length stock,18.5 barrel, and mixture of slugs and buckshot in the magazine. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
I have a PPK-S .380 that I bought in new 1970 for $119.00 to replace the one I got off a Chi-Com Lt in VN. Was stolen out of my unaccompanied baggage. Perp even stole the Paperwork and the Engraved Shoulder holster that was in the sealed box. I carried the PPK for the 20 years that I was flying for our Sheriff Office. 8 shots in the 10 ring in less than 10 sec @ 25' for monthly qualifying. Under slow fire 8 shots in a cluster that you can cover with a half dollar @ 25m under 1 min time. Carried a 10 1/5 barrel Ruger .44 Mag when I worked the roads. All our road units were equipped with a Ithica 12 ga. Riot gun loaded with #4 Buckshot. Russ W. ( Who just returned from New Orleans getting Son Married Off) On 1/26/2013 18:41, Max Dillon wrote: Have you ever shot a Walther PPK? I haven't, and I can't say that I've heard of any redeeming quality except the Bond connection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
Someone else said the kick from the pistol grip would injure the shooter. I've shot a shotgun at waist level, it's not a problem at all. Gentle. Same piece against the shoulder is quite a bit more jarring. It's all about physics. Just like in a car crash, the greater distance you can spread the energy over reduces the force. The hand is at the end of an arm, a great shock absorber. I've shot large pistols before, I can't believe a shotgun round has more energy in it than a .223 or a .45-70 in a handgun, which I have experienced. I just let the thing go up over the head if it wants. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues
The place is not completely sealed, by any means. No fuel burning appliances in the house, the vents leak enough that if they are on make up air will be pulled from one of the others. No range hood. My biggest concern was sealing the ceiling plane between the living space and attic. When I install the solar powered attic fan I don't want it depressurizing the attic to the point where it could pull conditioned air from the living space. I have plenty of soffit vents and existing roof vents to exceed code and building requirements, so I am good there. Dan Sent from my iPad On 24/01/2013 7:06 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I have been working on sealing literally every penetration of the ceiling of our living space. I had a blower door test done last week, and the guy who did it was stunned at how well sealed our house was. Where does the make-up air for your kitchen vent hood and bath vents come from? Do you have any fuel-burning applicances in your house? Where does the make-up air for them come from? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues
Dan wrote: No fuel burning appliances in the house, the vents leak enough that if they are on make up air will be pulled from one of the others. No range hood. 30 years ago we had a salesman show us his furnace vent device that looked like a vent tee that had a damper in the tee. It was supposed to reduced the amount of flue combustion air being drawn inside the house. As the flue heats, greater air volume is sucked up the flue, drawn from inside the house, making the flue somewhat a jet. He also talked about providing outside air to the furnace for combustion. As the air is heated, it expands, thus causing a positive pressure inside the house. Interesting concepts, if they worked. Did anyone else get this salesman back years ago? The concepts seemed sound, as do all salesmen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Cold weather issues
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:25:30 -0500 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The place is not completely sealed, by any means. No fuel burning appliances in the house, the vents leak enough that if they are on make up air will be pulled from one of the others. No range hood. My biggest concern was sealing the ceiling plane between the living space and attic. When I install the solar powered attic fan I don't want it depressurizing the attic to the point where it could pull conditioned air from the living space. I have plenty of soffit vents and existing roof vents to exceed code and building requirements, so I am good there. Sounds like you are good to go, then. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? Now revolvers
Revolvers are also simple from a user perspective. No safety. No slide to rack. If it doesn't go bang, just pull the trigger again. Ideal for times your mind may be a little slow, like 0400. Capacity and reloading (like in the dark) are the main drawbacks. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of David Kristin Gilmore Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:18 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy? Now revolvers At 12:58 PM 1/26/2013, Jim Cathey wrote: (snip) Esthetically I prefer old-school work. Like a SW N-frame (snip) Yes! Now you are talking. Revolvers typically are more accurate, with a better trigger, safer, more reliable, and are best suited for reloading your own ammunition. I can't understand why auto-loaders are popular, outside of competitive target shooting where they make timed and rapid fire events easier. Here's my introduction to pistol shooting story. When I was a kid the only firearm in the house was my father's !911 .45 ACP which he kept in the bedroom dresser drawer. I was about 8 and my brother 11 when he finally gave in to our pestering and agreed to show us how to shoot it. It was loud, it kicked, and none of us could hit a tin can much more than 10 feet away. What a bummer. My uncle, who was also present, let us shoot his SW K38 target revolver. What a revelation! Since then I have fired many thousands of rounds in handguns, but only under duress do I use auto-loaders. I urge all you handguners to try at least one quality target revolver before your shooting days are over. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV The Gods are less for their love of praise. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
Russ, that's a great story, I'll bet you've got more. Sounds like you switched to the 44 mag during times of increased odds of using your weapon in the line of duty. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Russ Williams rawil...@eatel.net wrote: I have a PPK-S .380 that I bought in new 1970 for $119.00 to replace the one I got off a Chi-Com Lt in VN. Was stolen out of my unaccompanied baggage. Perp even stole the Paperwork and the Engraved Shoulder holster that was in the sealed box. I carried the PPK for the 20 years that I was flying for our Sheriff Office. 8 shots in the 10 ring in less than 10 sec @ 25' for monthly qualifying. Under slow fire 8 shots in a cluster that you can cover with a half dollar @ 25m under 1 min time. Carried a 10 1/5 barrel Ruger .44 Mag when I worked the roads. All our road units were equipped with a Ithica 12 ga. Riot gun loaded with #4 Buckshot. Russ W. ( Who just returned from New Orleans getting Son Married Off) On 1/26/2013 18:41, Max Dillon wrote: Have you ever shot a Walther PPK? I haven't, and I can't say that I've heard of any redeeming quality except the Bond connection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Which Glock to buy?
Have you ever shot a Walther PPK? I haven't, and I can't say that I've heard of any redeeming quality except the Bond connection. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely Bond material! Nope. Just jivin' you. Wather has/had a good reputation, at least while Karl was alive. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laptop info needed
Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: won't. One has something to do with the USB interface and so the program runs fine but can't communicate with the external hardware. Tim C wrote: I know you love virtual box, but have you tried this one under VMWare Player? I have had uncanny success using USB peripherals through my Linux host to my Windows VM on the newest Player builds. I use Virtualbox. I actually started by using QEmu. Had that running, but MSWin would not install dotNet. So I gave up and went to VMware - but every kernel change meant mucking about with patches that didn't work, and hours spent trying to get the kernel drivers going. For me, VirtualBox is as easy as aptitude install - and apt takes care of things as the kernels migrate. So I have not touched VMWare in, oh 6 years or so... I vaguely recall there is a way to flip the this is running inside a VM bit with the VMX, but that doesn't change the license so probably wouldn't do you any good. Yeah. I'm kinda picky about licenses. So I'm stuck there. I _think_ the vendor is doing wacky stuff with the USB 'cause they say things like _Always_ use the same physical USB port that you used when you installed the driver. Yup - for their application, using a different one can mess it up. Of course there is also the fact that I no longer can find all the program disks to reinstall the programs I have. Ah. That will be a problem no matter _what_ you do for a new computer. New hardware or new virtual machine will both need installers. Not necessarily, VMWare Converter (free) will convert an existing machine into a VMWare image. I assume from that point you could further convert to another image type. Oooh. That could save the day - but cloning forward a MSWin machine that is many years old? I fall back to my fresh install disk file every year or so 'cause the running copy gets squirrelly after a while. And it seems to be common to have to re-install the OS every so often. Another strong point about *nics. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Camp - was: Cold weather issues
Curt Raymond wrote: It'll be interesting to learn to live with a very tight camp. I'm puzzled by your terms. It seems you use the word camp to mean a permanent building, like I would use the word cabin. Camp could be the location, often temporary, usually in-substantial. So I'm wondering if your use of camp is a regional definition, or if I just need to crawl out from under my rock more often. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Virtual Machines - was: Laptop info needed
M G wrote: Thank you for clearing up some of my misconceptions Philip. Sure! That's kinda the point of this MBZ list - to teach each other about computers. Oh, yeah. And Mercedes Benz too. *grin* The problem with the program disks is not a problem if the computer is running XP directly as the disk will be either exchanged with the disk already in the computer or if the disk in the computer is bigger then the old disk will be cloned onto the new disk. That way everything will still work, or should anyway. Ah! I have not tried it, but I suspect you can clone an image onto a virtual machine harddrive. The guest sees the harddrive file as a real harddrive, so unless the cloning occurs below the file system level, I would expect it to work. And if the cloning occurs below the file system level, I would expect the target would have to be exactly the same size as the image. But I'm speculating - 'cause I've never dealt with that particular situation. It should not be hard to try. VirtualBox is free and the guest you build on a MSWin host will work just as well on a Linux host. You will probably need a licensed copy of MSWin, though. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
