Re: [MBZ] Carolina peaches

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Guess we are keeping the good, exporting the bad?  Fresh fish caught locally 
usually gets exported, and we get frozen here in Mount Plastic, which drives me 
nuts.  I can buy fresh Carolina fish if I drive to Atlanta GA...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OM616 transfer pump and primer

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Mao asks:

>‎Is there picture online? Link?

I'll post a pic of an old one and a new one when I get home. Maybe I'll make a 
quick video

Rick 
Sent from my BlackBerry Z10‎
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Carolina peaches

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

The peaches this year have been great. 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I grew up with local Strawberries, cherries, blueberries, apples, peaches, 
plums, pears, and on a good year, apricots.  Our own peaches were always best, 
and IL peaches next best, and MO peaches in third.

Living in HI, we had none of these available.  One time I decided the CO 
peaches looked good, so I bought a few.  They were terrible, absolutely dry 
cardboard, no juice, no flavor.  Now a homegrown peach, or IL or MO peach would 
be so juicy the juice ran down your chin and down your arms to the elbow, where 
it ran off.

Here, the best we have been able to do is MO peaches with no variety 
identification.   But still they are flavorful and juicy.  Not run to your 
elbows juicy, but tasty, none the less.

Rich and Max were braggin about Carolina peaches a few weeks ago.  When the 
store here ran out of MO peaches, I looked at CO, CA and whatever else they 
had, and decided, on Rich's recommendation to try the Carolina peaches.

WOW!  they were dry as cardboard, and had nearly the same flavor!  Terrible!  
Absolutely TERRIBLE!  They looked pretty, but were dry as a bone , hard and had 
no flavor.  The ones I tried to let ripen and soften some turned brown inside, 
but they were too dry to rot.  They were even worse than those awful CO peaches 
I tried in HI!

Well, at least the strawberries in the store are still tolerable.  Nowhere near 
the juiciness and flavor of real strawberries, but they are tolerable.   I 
wonder who buys the cardboard peaches in the grocery stores.  It has to be 
people who have never tasted a real peach.

So, Rich and Max:  Bah!  Your peaches are awful!

If it is any consolation, I won't eat anything called "Cherry" unless I made it 
with real fresh tart cherries, or frozen tart cherries.   The sheeple are so 
stupid that they think cherry tastes like cough syrup, so all the "cherry" 
products may be made with real cherries, but they are flavored with maraschino 
cherry flavor mixed with cough syrup flavor to make an awful glop.   Eating the 
cherries right in the tree was best!   I'd usually eat 4 to 6 lb of 
strawberries in the patch too.   That was GOOOD stuff!

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

[MBZ] Carolina peaches

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I grew up with local Strawberries, cherries, blueberries, apples, 
peaches, plums, pears, and on a good year, apricots.  Our own peaches 
were always best, and IL peaches next best, and MO peaches in third.


Living in HI, we had none of these available.  One time I decided the CO 
peaches looked good, so I bought a few.  They were terrible, absolutely 
dry cardboard, no juice, no flavor.  Now a homegrown peach, or IL or MO 
peach would be so juicy the juice ran down your chin and down your arms 
to the elbow, where it ran off.


Here, the best we have been able to do is MO peaches with no variety 
identification.   But still they are flavorful and juicy.  Not run to 
your elbows juicy, but tasty, none the less.


Rich and Max were braggin about Carolina peaches a few weeks ago.  When 
the store here ran out of MO peaches, I looked at CO, CA and whatever 
else they had, and decided, on Rich's recommendation to try the Carolina 
peaches.


WOW!  they were dry as cardboard, and had nearly the same flavor!  
Terrible!  Absolutely TERRIBLE!  They looked pretty, but were dry as a 
bone , hard and had no flavor.  The ones I tried to let ripen and soften 
some turned brown inside, but they were too dry to rot.  They were even 
worse than those awful CO peaches I tried in HI!


Well, at least the strawberries in the store are still tolerable.  
Nowhere near the juiciness and flavor of real strawberries, but they are 
tolerable.   I wonder who buys the cardboard peaches in the grocery 
stores.  It has to be people who have never tasted a real peach.


So, Rich and Max:  Bah!  Your peaches are awful!

If it is any consolation, I won't eat anything called "Cherry" unless I 
made it with real fresh tart cherries, or frozen tart cherries.   The 
sheeple are so stupid that they think cherry tastes like cough syrup, so 
all the "cherry" products may be made with real cherries, but they are 
flavored with maraschino cherry flavor mixed with cough syrup flavor to 
make an awful glop.   Eating the cherries right in the tree was best!   
I'd usually eat 4 to 6 lb of strawberries in the patch too.   That was 
GOOOD stuff!


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Or Da Sh/tty


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 7:37 PM
Now I'm thinking this is really some slang from the 'hood. "That sh/t" 
said really fast..

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 7:27 PM
Ask the French-speaking Jean F'n Kerré (who, by the way, served in 
Vietnam)


--FT




Curley McLain 
August 27, 2016 at 7:22 PM
Isn't DAS/HHT one of those new terrorist groups?

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 4:44 PM
I learned a new curse word today!

-
Max
Charleston SC



- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"<
mercedes@okiebenz.com>


I don't want ... the DAS/HHT...


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 4:44 PM
I learned a new curse word today!

-
Max
Charleston SC

- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

WILTON via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 4:41 PM
Like I've said for more than 20 years, "Mighty hard to beat a 126."

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dasht


Max Dillon via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 7:37 PM
Now I'm thinking this is really some slang from the 'hood. "That sh/t" 
said really fast..

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 7:27 PM
Ask the French-speaking Jean F'n Kerré (who, by the way, served in 
Vietnam)


--FT




Curley McLain 
August 27, 2016 at 7:22 PM
Isn't DAS/HHT one of those new terrorist groups?

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 4:44 PM
I learned a new curse word today!

-
Max
Charleston SC



- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"<
mercedes@okiebenz.com>


I don't want ... the DAS/HHT...


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 4:44 PM
I learned a new curse word today!

-
Max
Charleston SC

- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

WILTON via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 4:41 PM
Like I've said for more than 20 years, "Mighty hard to beat a 126."

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 


To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Cheep W210s

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If you go near here, i'd like to talk to you about a 123 wheel for a 
spare


I 35 to I 80?  or would you run I 70?


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 6:12 PM
Just what I was thinking



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The last time I eliminated an EGR, I made the copper plug from a 3/4" 
copper elbow.  cut the end off, opened it up,flattened it.   Once you 
have a copper disk, you hold it over the manifold hole and tap, tap, 
tap, around the edges with a small hammer until it is cupped around the 
manifold hole.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 4:58 PM
Here you go, found in about 20 minutes on PP forum:

"For our '97 E300's you don't to do anything like on the turbo motors. 
What

I have done and is disconnect the metal pipe going from the manifold, to
the EGR and flipped it 180. The longer portion of the pipe is directed
toward the firewall with a valve cover breather installed at the end. The
shorter end can be mounted back onto the EGR valve. No CEL's. Everything
still works as designed. Just need to make a blocking plate for the hole
coming off of the manifold. I used a copper pipe end, flattened it and
trimmed it to fit.

'97 does NOT have a MAF. "

See post 111 in this thread:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/168261-got-time-egr-bypass-606-turbo-8.html

You can credit my account (for purchasing used parts) with my usual 
fee


-
Max
Charleston SC

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Max Dillon via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 1:55 PM
On peach parts forum, the way to delete the EGR has been posted. You 
can do it, just need to know how to fool the computer. Many have done it.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 1:37 PM
New ones are $550-$650. There was a used one on eBay for like $400

Sent from my iPhone



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 1:14 PM
Why? Can't you just block it off?




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Cheep W210s

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, if the plan is to hang a turbo on it. that is a fail.

If the plan is to put a turbo engine in it,  that's a plan, but who know 
what all has to be changed to enable the engine and turbo to work.  
Computer? wiring?  Sensors?  Probably a fail for an amateur too.


It the plan is to put a "turbo"  sticker on the trunk, that'd work, but 
with no change in performance.


Pretty much all options are a FAIL.   Wonder who told him it is easy and 
cheep?



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 6:03 PM
"Sadly, it is NOT the Turbo Diesel (But I hear the mod is pretty easy 
and reasonably cheap to install)"


Sounds like a plan!

--FT




Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 3:32 PM
Rusty V6:
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/5751320320.html

Rebuilt high mile diesel:
http://flint.craigslist.org/cto/5747404963.html

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Now I'm thinking this is really some slang from the 'hood.  "That sh/t" said 
really fast..
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 27, 2016 8:27:37 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Ask the French-speaking Jean F'n Kerré (who, by the way, served in
>Vietnam)
>
>--FT
>
>
>On 8/27/16 8:22 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> Isn't DAS/HHT one of those new terrorist groups?
>>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>> August 27, 2016 at 4:44 PM
>>> I learned a new curse word today!
>>>
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"<
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>
>>> I don't want ... the DAS/HHT...
>>
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>>
>
>-- 
>--FT
>
>
>___
>http://www.okiebenz.com
>
>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Ask the French-speaking Jean F'n Kerré (who, by the way, served in Vietnam)

--FT


On 8/27/16 8:22 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Isn't DAS/HHT one of those new terrorist groups?

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 4:44 PM
I learned a new curse word today!

-
Max
Charleston SC



- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"<
mercedes@okiebenz.com>


I don't want ... the DAS/HHT...


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



--
--FT


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Isn't DAS/HHT one of those new terrorist groups?

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 4:44 PM
I learned a new curse word today!

-
Max
Charleston SC



- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"<
mercedes@okiebenz.com>


I don't want ... the DAS/HHT...


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Holy mother of god

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I went to a car thing last Sunday and there was an old Mustang that was 
about that color, a bit darker on the paint but interior about the 
same.  It looked pretty good.


A buddy has an orange 240Z, I sent him that green one someone posted a 
coupla weeks ago, it went for $14k which is a bit spendy for him.


--FT


On 8/27/16 8:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
I was all prepared to come up with the cash to buy this until I saw 
the horrible seat covers


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Standard-/191954883296?forcerrptr=true=item2cb16712e0:g:PuYAAOSwqfNXjNy3=191954883296 



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



--
--FT


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There is nothing in these that resembles an “old distributor”.  There is 
nothing but the shaft the rotor is mounted on, the rotor and the cap.  
Everything else is managed elsewhere, such as timing, which is done with 
variable valve timing using the camshafts.

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 7:40 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't know anything about a 606, but from your description it sounds like 
> an old conventional gas engine as far as the ignition is concerned.
> 
> Question: Did you take apart the distributor and clean the spark advance?
> Even if it's electronically operated, it could have become corroded and cause 
> timing problems.
> Would that cause your problem? It caused me the same problem several times 
> before I got into diesels.
> Solution: If it's like the old distributors, take it apart, remove any rust 
> or corrosion with very fine sandpaper, grease it, and it should be good for a 
> long while.
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Holy mother of god

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I am just shocked at what appears to be an otherwise very very nice car 
somebody would have these horrible cheap seat covers put on in place of 
the factory covers.  If the price was right it would be worth trying to 
locate the real replacements.


On 8/27/2016 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
I was all prepared to come up with the cash to buy this until I saw 
the horrible seat covers


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Standard-/191954883296?forcerrptr=true=item2cb16712e0:g:PuYAAOSwqfNXjNy3=191954883296 



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You're confusing Dan and Kaleb. Kaleb's car has an OM606 diesel, Dan's has, an 
Msomething gasser.
Advance mechanisms that actually move went out with the invention of electronic 
ignition. In the simplest terms inside the distributor you'll have a hall 
effect sensor that tells the computer how fast the engine is spinning, advance 
is then taken care of by the computer. No adjustment needed, nothing to screw 
up unless the sensor fails. The good thing is that those sensors are usually 
all or nothing so when they fail the fall on their face...
-Curt


  From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 7:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve
   
I don't know anything about a 606, but from your description it sounds like an 
old conventional gas engine as far as the ignition is concerned.

Question: Did you take apart the distributor and clean the spark advance?
Even if it's electronically operated, it could have become corroded and cause 
timing problems.
Would that cause your problem? It caused me the same problem several times 
before I got into diesels.
Solution: If it's like the old distributors, take it apart, remove any rust or 
corrosion with very fine sandpaper, grease it, and it should be good for a long 
while.

Dan Penoff wrote:

> I’m just chapped over the fact that a $1000 part can sideline this car, not 
> to mention there is no guarantee that this is the issue.  Everything in the 
> DAS says it is, as I‘ve eliminated the only other possibility, a bad coil.
> 
> Car was parked (literally) on the waterfront in St. Pete for about 10 days. 
> During this time we had at least 10-15 inches of rain as well.  Son gets 
> back, starts car up, it idles poorly and has no power.  Idle smooths out, but 
> he can still barely get it to move until it gets up to about 25-30 MPH.  He 
> gets it on the interstate and drives it home without a hitch - except that it 
> has no power to speak of below 25-30 MPH.
> 
> I look into it and make sure the distributor caps and rotors are clean and 
> dry, which is a known issue for these cars when in damp locations.  I found 
> some burn spots on plug wires (the original wires) so I order a new set of 
> Berus for it.
> 
> Install new wires.  Still has no power at low speed.  Slap the DAS on it and 
> find out the left side distributor isn’t firing, at least all of the 
> cylinders connected to it aren’t.
> 
> Check the coil.  Checks good, but I have spares from the S500 coupe. Try one 
> of those.  No change.  Swap coils, no change.
> 
> Only thing left and the only other error reported by the DAS is the EZL 
> (ignition module).  I also check out all the wiring between the EZL and coil. 
> Checks out fine.
> 
> So at this point I’m being told by the diagnostic software that it’s the coil 
> primary or the EZL. Since the coil checks out and everything to it, the only 
> thing left is the EZL.
> 
> My mailman is driving by as I type this, so it’s here.  I’ll be installing it 
> tonight and will report back.
> 
> I would add that I talked to my 3rd generation indie last week about this, 
> and he gave me some direction on the DAS and how to follow things through.  
> He didn’t want to look at it until I had exhausted all of the DAS 
> possibilities, which was really nice of him.  He spent a good 10-15 minutes 
> with me going over the different screens and what I should look for.
> 
> Grrr.
> 
> 
> > On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I don’t want a W140 anything.  I am so p*ssed over the inability to 
> >> control or even marginally bypass the systems in this thing I’m done with 
> >> it. While I have learned a significant amount with the really in depth use 
> >> of the DAS/HHT, I am so frustrated by the complexity of the systems that 
> >> it’s just not worth the headache when something goes wrong.
> > 
> > Which is EXACTLY WHY used MBs, no longer have a great resale value, even 
> > Diesels!
> > 
> > They end up in an auction, go through a series of short term owners, then 
> > get crushed because the electronic crap is not worth fixing.  Even the 87 
> > to 93 wiring harnesses lard to premature crushing of lots of cars and was 
> > the start of the ruin of resale values.
> > 
> > People will spend thousands on their hondog or toada to buy overpriced 
> > parts once or twice in a couple hundred K miles, but they refuse to 
> > maintain an MB.
> > 
> > Back in the 70s, ANY MB diesel that ran brought $5000 or more!  (unless it 
> > was a rust bucket)  Even onces so rusted there was little usable but the 
> > drive train brought $1000 up!
> > 
> > 
> > ___
> > http://www.okiebenz.com
> > 
> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> > 
> > To 

[MBZ] Holy mother of god

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I was all prepared to come up with the cash to buy this until I saw the 
horrible seat covers


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Standard-/191954883296?forcerrptr=true=item2cb16712e0:g:PuYAAOSwqfNXjNy3=191954883296

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

I don't know anything about a 606, but from your description it sounds like an 
old conventional gas engine as far as the ignition is concerned.

Question: Did you take apart the distributor and clean the spark advance?
Even if it's electronically operated, it could have become corroded and cause 
timing problems.
Would that cause your problem? It caused me the same problem several times 
before I got into diesels.
Solution: If it's like the old distributors, take it apart, remove any rust or 
corrosion with very fine sandpaper, grease it, and it should be good for a long 
while.

Dan Penoff wrote:

> I’m just chapped over the fact that a $1000 part can sideline this car, not 
> to mention there is no guarantee that this is the issue.  Everything in the 
> DAS says it is, as I‘ve eliminated the only other possibility, a bad coil.
> 
> Car was parked (literally) on the waterfront in St. Pete for about 10 days. 
> During this time we had at least 10-15 inches of rain as well.  Son gets 
> back, starts car up, it idles poorly and has no power.  Idle smooths out, but 
> he can still barely get it to move until it gets up to about 25-30 MPH.  He 
> gets it on the interstate and drives it home without a hitch - except that it 
> has no power to speak of below 25-30 MPH.
> 
> I look into it and make sure the distributor caps and rotors are clean and 
> dry, which is a known issue for these cars when in damp locations.  I found 
> some burn spots on plug wires (the original wires) so I order a new set of 
> Berus for it.
> 
> Install new wires.  Still has no power at low speed.  Slap the DAS on it and 
> find out the left side distributor isn’t firing, at least all of the 
> cylinders connected to it aren’t.
> 
> Check the coil.  Checks good, but I have spares from the S500 coupe. Try one 
> of those.  No change.  Swap coils, no change.
> 
> Only thing left and the only other error reported by the DAS is the EZL 
> (ignition module).  I also check out all the wiring between the EZL and coil. 
> Checks out fine.
> 
> So at this point I’m being told by the diagnostic software that it’s the coil 
> primary or the EZL. Since the coil checks out and everything to it, the only 
> thing left is the EZL.
> 
> My mailman is driving by as I type this, so it’s here.  I’ll be installing it 
> tonight and will report back.
> 
> I would add that I talked to my 3rd generation indie last week about this, 
> and he gave me some direction on the DAS and how to follow things through.  
> He didn’t want to look at it until I had exhausted all of the DAS 
> possibilities, which was really nice of him.  He spent a good 10-15 minutes 
> with me going over the different screens and what I should look for.
> 
> Grrr.
> 
> 
> > On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I don’t want a W140 anything.  I am so p*ssed over the inability to 
> >> control or even marginally bypass the systems in this thing I’m done with 
> >> it. While I have learned a significant amount with the really in depth use 
> >> of the DAS/HHT, I am so frustrated by the complexity of the systems that 
> >> it’s just not worth the headache when something goes wrong.
> > 
> > Which is EXACTLY WHY used MBs, no longer have a great resale value, even 
> > Diesels!
> > 
> > They end up in an auction, go through a series of short term owners, then 
> > get crushed because the electronic crap is not worth fixing.  Even the 87 
> > to 93 wiring harnesses lard to premature crushing of lots of cars and was 
> > the start of the ruin of resale values.
> > 
> > People will spend thousands on their hondog or toada to buy overpriced 
> > parts once or twice in a couple hundred K miles, but they refuse to 
> > maintain an MB.
> > 
> > Back in the 70s, ANY MB diesel that ran brought $5000 or more!  (unless it 
> > was a rust bucket)  Even onces so rusted there was little usable but the 
> > drive train brought $1000 up!
> > 
> > 
> > ___
> > http://www.okiebenz.com
> > 
> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> > 
> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> > 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


-- 
arche...@embarqmail.com 

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OM616 transfer pump and primer

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curley wrote:
> On the transfer pump that is located on the side of the IP.

Is there picture online?  Link?
mao

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Cheep W210s

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Just what I was thinking

On 8/27/2016 6:09 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb should get it for the EGR...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


"Sadly, it is NOT the Turbo Diesel (But I hear the mod is pretty easy and
reasonably cheap to install)"

Sounds like a plan!

--FT


On 8/27/16 4:32 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


Rebuilt high mile diesel:
http://flint.craigslist.org/cto/5747404963.html


--
--FT


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

This guy sounds like he had a working EGR valve but just blocked it 
off.  Mine seems to have a problem probably in the electrical portion so 
this would not work.  I would have to figure out a way to fool the 
computer, which nobody seems to have been able to do.


On 8/27/2016 4:58 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Here you go, found in about 20 minutes on PP forum:

"For our '97 E300's you don't to do anything like on the turbo motors. What
I have done and is disconnect the metal pipe going from the manifold, to
the EGR and flipped it 180. The longer portion of the pipe is directed
toward the firewall with a valve cover breather installed at the end. The
shorter end can be mounted back onto the EGR valve. No CEL's. Everything
still works as designed. Just need to make a blocking plate for the hole
coming off of the manifold. I used a copper pipe end, flattened it and
trimmed it to fit.

'97 does NOT have a MAF. "

See post 111 in this thread:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/168261-got-time-egr-bypass-606-turbo-8.html

You can credit my account (for purchasing used parts) with my usual fee

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:


On peach parts forum, the way to delete the EGR has been posted. You can
do it, just need to know how to fool the computer. Many have done it.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Cheep W210s

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Kaleb should get it for the EGR...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> "Sadly, it is NOT the Turbo Diesel (But I hear the mod is pretty easy and
> reasonably cheap to install)"
>
> Sounds like a plan!
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 8/27/16 4:32 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Rebuilt high mile diesel:
>> http://flint.craigslist.org/cto/5747404963.html
>>
>
> --
> --FT
>
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 124 E420

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Most of the performance of the E500, for a LOT less $$$.

If you like a 124, and are going to pay someone else to wrench on it (no
fun at all, that V8 is really crammed into a small engine compartment, ask
Craig about fixing things on that engine), you'd probably really enjoy an
E420.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes!  Holy cow isn't that a nice car!   The price has me concerned.  But,
> it is awfully nice and since both of these things were done, that makes it
> even better.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jaime Kopchinski [mailto:jaime...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 5:20 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 E420
>
> You mean Jeremey's silver blue car with parchment interior?  He and I were
> talking about it... Evaporator and wiring harness were addressed by an MB
> dealer.
>
> I think that car is a great deal. Road trip!!
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Saturday, August 27, 2016, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > A guy I know has a 94 E420 with only 70,000 miles - one owner, spotless
> > condition.   Did the 124 have an evap issue in 94?   Any other particular
> > trouble spots I should ask about?  I don't know if I am seriously
> > interested, but I know a few others that are wondering about the car,
> > if I pass on it.  Unfotunately, its in California, so I can't check
> > out in person.
> >
> > Don Snook
> > ___
> > http://www.okiebenz.com
> >
> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> >
> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> >
> >
>
> --
> Jaime Kopchinski
> http://www.jaimekop.com/
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Cheep W210s

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

"Sadly, it is NOT the Turbo Diesel (But I hear the mod is pretty easy 
and reasonably cheap to install)"


Sounds like a plan!

--FT


On 8/27/16 4:32 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Rebuilt high mile diesel:
http://flint.craigslist.org/cto/5747404963.html


--
--FT


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Interesting, I will have to read over this. I did not turn it up when I 
looked.


On 8/27/2016 4:58 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Here you go, found in about 20 minutes on PP forum:

"For our '97 E300's you don't to do anything like on the turbo motors. What
I have done and is disconnect the metal pipe going from the manifold, to
the EGR and flipped it 180. The longer portion of the pipe is directed
toward the firewall with a valve cover breather installed at the end. The
shorter end can be mounted back onto the EGR valve. No CEL's. Everything
still works as designed. Just need to make a blocking plate for the hole
coming off of the manifold. I used a copper pipe end, flattened it and
trimmed it to fit.

'97 does NOT have a MAF. "

See post 111 in this thread:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/168261-got-time-egr-bypass-606-turbo-8.html

You can credit my account (for purchasing used parts) with my usual fee

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:


On peach parts forum, the way to delete the EGR has been posted. You can
do it, just need to know how to fool the computer. Many have done it.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 124 E420

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Yes!  Holy cow isn't that a nice car!   The price has me concerned.  But, it is 
awfully nice and since both of these things were done, that makes it even 
better. 

-Original Message-
From: Jaime Kopchinski [mailto:jaime...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 5:20 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 E420

You mean Jeremey's silver blue car with parchment interior?  He and I were 
talking about it... Evaporator and wiring harness were addressed by an MB 
dealer.

I think that car is a great deal. Road trip!!

Jaime


On Saturday, August 27, 2016, Donald Snook via Mercedes < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A guy I know has a 94 E420 with only 70,000 miles - one owner, spotless
> condition.   Did the 124 have an evap issue in 94?   Any other particular
> trouble spots I should ask about?  I don't know if I am seriously 
> interested, but I know a few others that are wondering about the car, 
> if I pass on it.  Unfotunately, its in California, so I can't check 
> out in person.
>
> Don Snook
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>

--
Jaime Kopchinski
http://www.jaimekop.com/

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

Floyd wrote:  "If you unload the 140 . . ."   Is that a possibility, Dan? You 
might unload the 140? After you fix the current problem? 

Don Snook 



-Original Message-
From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 4:32 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

ML is 2012, would your thing work on that?  If you unload the 140 I would be 
interested in the system if it would work on the ML.  I looked into these a few 
months back when you were talking about using it on the S430, and there was a 
wide range of systems, somewhat confusing.

--R


On 8/27/16 3:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> It’s actually referred to as a C3 or C4 system.  C3 uses a serial port and 
> the C4 USB or WiFi, I think.
>
> It will cover anything starting with the 38 pin diagnostic connector all the 
> way up to the systems used in 2010, maybe later. My W220 used the OBD II port 
> for a connection.
>
> It’s actually sort of amazing with the older cars, since it has an emulator 
> that emulates the handheld tester that was originally designed for the 38 pin 
> diagnostic connector they started out with in the early 1990s.  It’s 
> amazingly powerful - you can get real time readings of things like spark 
> voltages and durations, transmission clutch engagement times, some really 
> deep engineering related stuff.
>
> I know a guy on BenzWorld who uses one to gauge the wear on the 722.6 
> transmissions by looking at the clutch engagement times.
>
> The later systems are Xentry, and you would be overwhelmed by the amount of 
> data that it can produce and give you access to.  I think there were over 200 
> different screens for my 2003 S430 (W220) when I went through it.
>
> These systems cover from the HHT (hand held tester) to DAS, which is early 
> 2000s, to Xentry, which I believe started in 2007 or thereabouts.  You can 
> get them with the cables, MUX (multiplexer) and a computer on Alibaba for 
> anywhere from $400 up.  I bought a C3 system with just the cables, MUX and a 
> VM of the software on an external drive for a little over $300 shipped to the 
> States.
>
>   
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Does that computer setup you have apply to all MBs or just that specific 
>> model?  The way my wife is racking up miles on the ML the warranty is going 
>> to run out in a year or two and I guess at that point I will either have to 
>> trade it on something else to keep her happy or learn to fix it.  For that I 
>> guess the computer is a necessity, or part of the nece$$itie$.
>>
>> --FT
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>

--
--FT



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 124 E420

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

You mean Jeremey's silver blue car with parchment interior?  He and I were
talking about it... Evaporator and wiring harness were addressed by an MB
dealer.

I think that car is a great deal. Road trip!!

Jaime


On Saturday, August 27, 2016, Donald Snook via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A guy I know has a 94 E420 with only 70,000 miles - one owner, spotless
> condition.   Did the 124 have an evap issue in 94?   Any other particular
> trouble spots I should ask about?  I don't know if I am seriously
> interested, but I know a few others that are wondering about the car, if I
> pass on it.  Unfotunately, its in California, so I can't check out in
> person.
>
> Don Snook
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>

-- 
Jaime Kopchinski
http://www.jaimekop.com/
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT Who wants it?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Karl wrote:
> 
> What you're saying about ambient inlet pressure making no
> difference on a turbocharged engine is not quite correct.

> ...the turbo operates on a pressure ratio. The lower the ambient
> pressure at the turbo inlet, the longer it takes for the turbo to
> spool, because it is feeding the engine less air at each rpm than
> it otherwise would.

Ah!   You are talking about rapid increase in engine RPM.  I was
referring to power output - sustained.

So, if you man "it takes longer for the turbo to build pressure"
rather than "it takes longer for the turbo to spool" - I fully
agree.

> So a less restrictive filter results in faster spool. I also
> found that top end performance was improved, with a higher max
> rpm at max throttle. Is isn't even subtle. Taking off from a
> stoplight is a different experience.

Hmm.  That doesn't match my experience with various diesel turbo
engines.  But if your experiences were otherwise, who am I to argue!



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Here you go, found in about 20 minutes on PP forum:

"For our '97 E300's you don't to do anything like on the turbo motors. What
I have done and is disconnect the metal pipe going from the manifold, to
the EGR and flipped it 180. The longer portion of the pipe is directed
toward the firewall with a valve cover breather installed at the end. The
shorter end can be mounted back onto the EGR valve. No CEL's. Everything
still works as designed. Just need to make a blocking plate for the hole
coming off of the manifold. I used a copper pipe end, flattened it and
trimmed it to fit.

'97 does NOT have a MAF. "

See post 111 in this thread:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/168261-got-time-egr-bypass-606-turbo-8.html

You can credit my account (for purchasing used parts) with my usual fee

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> On peach parts forum, the way to delete the EGR has been posted. You can
> do it, just need to know how to fool the computer. Many have done it.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I learned a new curse word today!

-
Max
Charleston SC

- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com>

>
> I don't want ... the DAS/HHT...
>>
>>
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> ML is 2012, would your thing work on that?  If you unload the 140 I would be 
> interested in the system if it would work on the ML.  I looked into these a 
> few months back when you were talking about using it on the S430, and there 
> was a wide range of systems, somewhat confusing.
> 
> --R
> 
> 
>> On 8/27/16 3:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> It’s actually referred to as a C3 or C4 system.  C3 uses a serial port and 
>> the C4 USB or WiFi, I think.
>> 
>> It will cover anything starting with the 38 pin diagnostic connector all the 
>> way up to the systems used in 2010, maybe later. My W220 used the OBD II 
>> port for a connection.
>> 
>> It’s actually sort of amazing with the older cars, since it has an emulator 
>> that emulates the handheld tester that was originally designed for the 38 
>> pin diagnostic connector they started out with in the early 1990s.  It’s 
>> amazingly powerful - you can get real time readings of things like spark 
>> voltages and durations, transmission clutch engagement times, some really 
>> deep engineering related stuff.
>> 
>> I know a guy on BenzWorld who uses one to gauge the wear on the 722.6 
>> transmissions by looking at the clutch engagement times.
>> 
>> The later systems are Xentry, and you would be overwhelmed by the amount of 
>> data that it can produce and give you access to.  I think there were over 
>> 200 different screens for my 2003 S430 (W220) when I went through it.
>> 
>> These systems cover from the HHT (hand held tester) to DAS, which is early 
>> 2000s, to Xentry, which I believe started in 2007 or thereabouts.  You can 
>> get them with the cables, MUX (multiplexer) and a computer on Alibaba for 
>> anywhere from $400 up.  I bought a C3 system with just the cables, MUX and a 
>> VM of the software on an external drive for a little over $300 shipped to 
>> the States.
>> 
>>  
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does that computer setup you have apply to all MBs or just that specific 
>>> model?  The way my wife is racking up miles on the ML the warranty is going 
>>> to run out in a year or two and I guess at that point I will either have to 
>>> trade it on something else to keep her happy or learn to fix it.  For that 
>>> I guess the computer is a necessity, or part of the nece$$itie$.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Like I've said for more than 20 years, "Mighty hard to beat a 126."

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve


I don’t want a W140 anything.  I am so p*ssed over the inability to control 
or even marginally bypass the systems in this thing I’m done with it. While 
I have learned a significant amount with the really in depth use of the 
DAS/HHT, I am so frustrated by the complexity of the systems that it’s just 
not worth the headache when something goes wrong.


I would gladly go back to a W110 or W111 if I could find a nice one with 
AC, but the likelihood of that happening is minimal, and a bit extreme.  A 
nice W126 diesel for sure, maybe a W124 diesel if I could find one.



On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


You need a 140 diesel. 124 diesels are really really really nice

Sent from my iPhone




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

ML is 2012, would your thing work on that?  If you unload the 140 I 
would be interested in the system if it would work on the ML.  I looked 
into these a few months back when you were talking about using it on the 
S430, and there was a wide range of systems, somewhat confusing.


--R


On 8/27/16 3:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

It’s actually referred to as a C3 or C4 system.  C3 uses a serial port and the 
C4 USB or WiFi, I think.

It will cover anything starting with the 38 pin diagnostic connector all the 
way up to the systems used in 2010, maybe later. My W220 used the OBD II port 
for a connection.

It’s actually sort of amazing with the older cars, since it has an emulator 
that emulates the handheld tester that was originally designed for the 38 pin 
diagnostic connector they started out with in the early 1990s.  It’s amazingly 
powerful - you can get real time readings of things like spark voltages and 
durations, transmission clutch engagement times, some really deep engineering 
related stuff.

I know a guy on BenzWorld who uses one to gauge the wear on the 722.6 
transmissions by looking at the clutch engagement times.

The later systems are Xentry, and you would be overwhelmed by the amount of 
data that it can produce and give you access to.  I think there were over 200 
different screens for my 2003 S430 (W220) when I went through it.

These systems cover from the HHT (hand held tester) to DAS, which is early 
2000s, to Xentry, which I believe started in 2007 or thereabouts.  You can get 
them with the cables, MUX (multiplexer) and a computer on Alibaba for anywhere 
from $400 up.  I bought a C3 system with just the cables, MUX and a VM of the 
software on an external drive for a little over $300 shipped to the States.

  

On Aug 27, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Does that computer setup you have apply to all MBs or just that specific model? 
 The way my wife is racking up miles on the ML the warranty is going to run out 
in a year or two and I guess at that point I will either have to trade it on 
something else to keep her happy or learn to fix it.  For that I guess the 
computer is a necessity, or part of the nece$$itie$.

--FT


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



--
--FT


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 124 E420

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think all 124 cars suffer from evaporator and wiring harness issues.

Never fear, it's only money!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 27, 2016 4:18:19 PM EDT, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>A guy I know has a 94 E420 with only 70,000 miles - one owner, spotless
>condition.   Did the 124 have an evap issue in 94?   Any other
>particular trouble spots I should ask about?  I don't know if I am
>seriously interested, but I know a few others that are wondering about
>the car, if I pass on it.  Unfotunately, its in California, so I can't
>check out in person.
>
>Don Snook
>___
>http://www.okiebenz.com
>
>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s the youngest son’s car.  He needs it to get to school and work.

Dan


> On Aug 27, 2016, at 4:24 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
> 
> If you have a 126 Diesel, why not just drive that?  Those are great cars! 
> 
> Don Snook 
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

[MBZ] Cheep W210s

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Rusty V6:
http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/cto/5751320320.html

Rebuilt high mile diesel:
http://flint.craigslist.org/cto/5747404963.html

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

If you have a 126 Diesel, why not just drive that?  Those are great cars! 

Don Snook 

-Original Message-
From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 1:50 PM
To: Mercedes List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

The one that’s giving me fits is my 1994.  Oldest son drives the 1997, but it’s 
been pretty much trouble free and he’s not living at home any more, so it’s no 
longer my responsibility.

That’s it.  The R129 (1997 SL500) has been amazingly trouble free, which is 
sort of ironic considering it’s got a reconstruction title and has been wrecked 
twice.

Then there’s my W126 (90 350SDL) that has been bulletproof so far.


> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What all 140s do you have now?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t want a W140 anything.  I am so p*ssed over the inability to control 
>> or even marginally bypass the systems in this thing I’m done with it. While 
>> I have learned a significant amount with the really in depth use of the 
>> DAS/HHT, I am so frustrated by the complexity of the systems that it’s just 
>> not worth the headache when something goes wrong.
>> 
>> I would gladly go back to a W110 or W111 if I could find a nice one with AC, 
>> but the likelihood of that happening is minimal, and a bit extreme.  A nice 
>> W126 diesel for sure, maybe a W124 diesel if I could find one.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You need a 140 diesel. 124 diesels are really really really nice
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 124 E420

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Wiring harness if not already replaced will probably need to be.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A guy I know has a 94 E420 with only 70,000 miles - one owner, spotless 
> condition.   Did the 124 have an evap issue in 94?   Any other particular 
> trouble spots I should ask about?  I don't know if I am seriously interested, 
> but I know a few others that are wondering about the car, if I pass on it.  
> Unfotunately, its in California, so I can't check out in person.
> 
> Don Snook
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

[MBZ] 124 E420

[Donald Snook via Mercedes]

A guy I know has a 94 E420 with only 70,000 miles - one owner, spotless 
condition.   Did the 124 have an evap issue in 94?   Any other particular 
trouble spots I should ask about?  I don't know if I am seriously interested, 
but I know a few others that are wondering about the car, if I pass on it.  
Unfotunately, its in California, so I can't check out in person.

Don Snook
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The tuners in the VW world can turn it off for "offroad use".
-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve
   
How does the computer know it is blocked?  Can you spoof the computer?

--FT


On 8/27/16 2:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> New ones are $550-$650. There was a used one on eBay for like $400
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>>
>> Nope. Computer knows if it's blocked or not and the car will hardly move.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Why?  Can’t you just block it off?
>>>
>>>
 On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:

 I have tried everything I can and it appears I am going to have to break 
 down and buy an egr valve for the 97. Anybody got one laying around?

 Sent from my iPhone

 ___
 http://www.okiebenz.com

 To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

 To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
 http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>>>
>>> ___
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>>
>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>>
>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>

-- 
--FT


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



   
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s actually referred to as a C3 or C4 system.  C3 uses a serial port and the 
C4 USB or WiFi, I think.

It will cover anything starting with the 38 pin diagnostic connector all the 
way up to the systems used in 2010, maybe later. My W220 used the OBD II port 
for a connection.

It’s actually sort of amazing with the older cars, since it has an emulator 
that emulates the handheld tester that was originally designed for the 38 pin 
diagnostic connector they started out with in the early 1990s.  It’s amazingly 
powerful - you can get real time readings of things like spark voltages and 
durations, transmission clutch engagement times, some really deep engineering 
related stuff.

I know a guy on BenzWorld who uses one to gauge the wear on the 722.6 
transmissions by looking at the clutch engagement times.

The later systems are Xentry, and you would be overwhelmed by the amount of 
data that it can produce and give you access to.  I think there were over 200 
different screens for my 2003 S430 (W220) when I went through it.

These systems cover from the HHT (hand held tester) to DAS, which is early 
2000s, to Xentry, which I believe started in 2007 or thereabouts.  You can get 
them with the cables, MUX (multiplexer) and a computer on Alibaba for anywhere 
from $400 up.  I bought a C3 system with just the cables, MUX and a VM of the 
software on an external drive for a little over $300 shipped to the States.

 
> On Aug 27, 2016, at 3:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does that computer setup you have apply to all MBs or just that specific 
> model?  The way my wife is racking up miles on the ML the warranty is going 
> to run out in a year or two and I guess at that point I will either have to 
> trade it on something else to keep her happy or learn to fix it.  For that I 
> guess the computer is a necessity, or part of the nece$$itie$.
> 
> --FT


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It works for all cars from early 90s to present, although I think the 
latest version I have seen is 2015 so if you have a car a couple years 
old it may or may not work, but I would assume it would still have warranty.


On 8/27/2016 2:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Does that computer setup you have apply to all MBs or just that 
specific model?  The way my wife is racking up miles on the ML the 
warranty is going to run out in a year or two and I guess at that 
point I will either have to trade it on something else to keep her 
happy or learn to fix it.  For that I guess the computer is a 
necessity, or part of the nece$$itie$.


--FT


On 8/27/16 2:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
I don’t want a W140 anything.  I am so p*ssed over the inability to 
control or even marginally bypass the systems in this thing I’m done 
with it. While I have learned a significant amount with the really in 
depth use of the DAS/HHT, I am so frustrated by the complexity of the 
systems that it’s just not worth the headache when something goes wrong.


I would gladly go back to a W110 or W111 if I could find a nice one 
with AC, but the likelihood of that happening is minimal, and a bit 
extreme.  A nice W126 diesel for sure, maybe a W124 diesel if I could 
find one.



On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


You need a 140 diesel. 124 diesels are really really really nice

Sent from my iPhone



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com






___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Does that computer setup you have apply to all MBs or just that specific 
model?  The way my wife is racking up miles on the ML the warranty is 
going to run out in a year or two and I guess at that point I will 
either have to trade it on something else to keep her happy or learn to 
fix it.  For that I guess the computer is a necessity, or part of the 
nece$$itie$.


--FT


On 8/27/16 2:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I don’t want a W140 anything.  I am so p*ssed over the inability to control or 
even marginally bypass the systems in this thing I’m done with it. While I have 
learned a significant amount with the really in depth use of the DAS/HHT, I am 
so frustrated by the complexity of the systems that it’s just not worth the 
headache when something goes wrong.

I would gladly go back to a W110 or W111 if I could find a nice one with AC, 
but the likelihood of that happening is minimal, and a bit extreme.  A nice 
W126 diesel for sure, maybe a W124 diesel if I could find one.



On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

You need a 140 diesel. 124 diesels are really really really nice

Sent from my iPhone



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



--
--FT


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m just chapped over the fact that a $1000 part can sideline this car, not to 
mention there is no guarantee that this is the issue.  Everything in the DAS 
says it is, as I‘ve eliminated the only other possibility, a bad coil.

Car was parked (literally) on the waterfront in St. Pete for about 10 days. 
During this time we had at least 10-15 inches of rain as well.  Son gets back, 
starts car up, it idles poorly and has no power.  Idle smooths out, but he can 
still barely get it to move until it gets up to about 25-30 MPH.  He gets it on 
the interstate and drives it home without a hitch - except that it has no power 
to speak of below 25-30 MPH.

I look into it and make sure the distributor caps and rotors are clean and dry, 
which is a known issue for these cars when in damp locations.  I found some 
burn spots on plug wires (the original wires) so I order a new set of Berus for 
it.

Install new wires.  Still has no power at low speed.  Slap the DAS on it and 
find out the left side distributor isn’t firing, at least all of the cylinders 
connected to it aren’t.

Check the coil.  Checks good, but I have spares from the S500 coupe. Try one of 
those.  No change.  Swap coils, no change.

Only thing left and the only other error reported by the DAS is the EZL 
(ignition module).  I also check out all the wiring between the EZL and coil. 
Checks out fine.

So at this point I’m being told by the diagnostic software that it’s the coil 
primary or the EZL. Since the coil checks out and everything to it, the only 
thing left is the EZL.

My mailman is driving by as I type this, so it’s here.  I’ll be installing it 
tonight and will report back.

I would add that I talked to my 3rd generation indie last week about this, and 
he gave me some direction on the DAS and how to follow things through.  He 
didn’t want to look at it until I had exhausted all of the DAS possibilities, 
which was really nice of him.  He spent a good 10-15 minutes with me going over 
the different screens and what I should look for.

Grrr.


> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I don’t want a W140 anything.  I am so p*ssed over the inability to control 
>> or even marginally bypass the systems in this thing I’m done with it. While 
>> I have learned a significant amount with the really in depth use of the 
>> DAS/HHT, I am so frustrated by the complexity of the systems that it’s just 
>> not worth the headache when something goes wrong.
> 
> Which is EXACTLY WHY used MBs, no longer have a great resale value, even 
> Diesels!
> 
> They end up in an auction, go through a series of short term owners, then get 
> crushed because the electronic crap is not worth fixing.  Even the 87 to 93 
> wiring harnesses lard to premature crushing of lots of cars and was the start 
> of the ruin of resale values.
> 
> People will spend thousands on their hondog or toada to buy overpriced parts 
> once or twice in a couple hundred K miles, but they refuse to maintain an MB.
> 
> Back in the 70s, ANY MB diesel that ran brought $5000 or more!  (unless it 
> was a rust bucket)  Even onces so rusted there was little usable but the 
> drive train brought $1000 up!
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I don’t want a W140 anything.  I am so p*ssed over the inability to control or 
even marginally bypass the systems in this thing I’m done with it. While I have 
learned a significant amount with the really in depth use of the DAS/HHT, I am 
so frustrated by the complexity of the systems that it’s just not worth the 
headache when something goes wrong.


Which is EXACTLY WHY used MBs, no longer have a great resale value, even 
Diesels!


They end up in an auction, go through a series of short term owners, 
then get crushed because the electronic crap is not worth fixing.  Even 
the 87 to 93 wiring harnesses lard to premature crushing of lots of cars 
and was the start of the ruin of resale values.


People will spend thousands on their hondog or toada to buy overpriced 
parts once or twice in a couple hundred K miles, but they refuse to 
maintain an MB.


Back in the 70s, ANY MB diesel that ran brought $5000 or more!  (unless 
it was a rust bucket)  Even onces so rusted there was little usable but 
the drive train brought $1000 up!



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

On peach parts forum, the way to delete the EGR has been posted.  You can do 
it, just need to know how to fool the computer.  Many have done it.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ignition module.  $1000 new from MB my cost.  $100 for a used one on Fleabay.


> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:47 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What is a EZL?
> 
> Eko Zeiss Licht?   Nonsense to me!
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> August 27, 2016 at 1:24 PM
>> This is just another reason why I am seriously considering dumping even my 
>> W140. It’s been benched for the last two weeks with an ignition issue that 
>> has been driving me nuts. Even with having the DAS/HHT to use it’s been a 
>> PITA to sort out. I have a used EZL that’s coming in today’s mail that if 
>> this down’t fix it, the car goes to an indie on Monday on a flatbed.
>> 
>> I have pretty well decided that if it gets to that point once it’s fixed 
>> it’s going in a BAT auction and I’ll use the proceeds to find a nice W126 or 
>> W124 diesel to replace it.
>> 
>> I am so done with automotive computers/electronics it’s not funny.
>> 
>> Dan
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The one that’s giving me fits is my 1994.  Oldest son drives the 1997, but it’s 
been pretty much trouble free and he’s not living at home any more, so it’s no 
longer my responsibility.

That’s it.  The R129 (1997 SL500) has been amazingly trouble free, which is 
sort of ironic considering it’s got a reconstruction title and has been wrecked 
twice.

Then there’s my W126 (90 350SDL) that has been bulletproof so far.


> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What all 140s do you have now?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t want a W140 anything.  I am so p*ssed over the inability to control 
>> or even marginally bypass the systems in this thing I’m done with it. While 
>> I have learned a significant amount with the really in depth use of the 
>> DAS/HHT, I am so frustrated by the complexity of the systems that it’s just 
>> not worth the headache when something goes wrong.
>> 
>> I would gladly go back to a W110 or W111 if I could find a nice one with AC, 
>> but the likelihood of that happening is minimal, and a bit extreme.  A nice 
>> W126 diesel for sure, maybe a W124 diesel if I could find one.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You need a 140 diesel. 124 diesels are really really really nice
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well I am in the same boat. I deal with the newer cars but after all I did drop 
2k on a nice 240d that needs some work so I could get back to simpler times.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Wow!  You gonna become a curmudgeon too?Welcome to my side!
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> August 27, 2016 at 1:24 PM
>> This is just another reason why I am seriously considering dumping even my 
>> W140. It’s been benched for the last two weeks with an ignition issue that 
>> has been driving me nuts. Even with having the DAS/HHT to use it’s been a 
>> PITA to sort out. I have a used EZL that’s coming in today’s mail that if 
>> this down’t fix it, the car goes to an indie on Monday on a flatbed.
>> 
>> I have pretty well decided that if it gets to that point once it’s fixed 
>> it’s going in a BAT auction and I’ll use the proceeds to find a nice W126 or 
>> W124 diesel to replace it.
>> 
>> I am so done with automotive computers/electronics it’s not funny.
>> 
>> Dan
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What is a EZL?

Eko Zeiss Licht?   Nonsense to me!


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 1:24 PM
This is just another reason why I am seriously considering dumping 
even my W140. It’s been benched for the last two weeks with an 
ignition issue that has been driving me nuts. Even with having the 
DAS/HHT to use it’s been a PITA to sort out. I have a used EZL that’s 
coming in today’s mail that if this down’t fix it, the car goes to an 
indie on Monday on a flatbed.


I have pretty well decided that if it gets to that point once it’s 
fixed it’s going in a BAT auction and I’ll use the proceeds to find a 
nice W126 or W124 diesel to replace it.


I am so done with automotive computers/electronics it’s not funny.

Dan


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Nope, it's got electrical connectors and such

http://m.ebay.com/itm/96-97-Mercedes-W210-E300-Diesel-EGR-Valve-0021402960-Pierburg-OM606-/272250503138?nav=WATCHING_ACTIVE

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:44 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is it the same one as used on OM603?  If so, I have a couple.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> August 27, 2016 at 1:12 PM
>> I have tried everything I can and it appears I am going to have to break 
>> down and buy an egr valve for the 97. Anybody got one laying around?
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Wow!  You gonna become a curmudgeon too?Welcome to my side!


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 1:24 PM
This is just another reason why I am seriously considering dumping 
even my W140. It’s been benched for the last two weeks with an 
ignition issue that has been driving me nuts. Even with having the 
DAS/HHT to use it’s been a PITA to sort out. I have a used EZL that’s 
coming in today’s mail that if this down’t fix it, the car goes to an 
indie on Monday on a flatbed.


I have pretty well decided that if it gets to that point once it’s 
fixed it’s going in a BAT auction and I’ll use the proceeds to find a 
nice W126 or W124 diesel to replace it.


I am so done with automotive computers/electronics it’s not funny.

Dan




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

What all 140s do you have now?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don’t want a W140 anything.  I am so p*ssed over the inability to control 
> or even marginally bypass the systems in this thing I’m done with it. While I 
> have learned a significant amount with the really in depth use of the 
> DAS/HHT, I am so frustrated by the complexity of the systems that it’s just 
> not worth the headache when something goes wrong.
> 
> I would gladly go back to a W110 or W111 if I could find a nice one with AC, 
> but the likelihood of that happening is minimal, and a bit extreme.  A nice 
> W126 diesel for sure, maybe a W124 diesel if I could find one.
> 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You need a 140 diesel. 124 diesels are really really really nice
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Is it the same one as used on OM603?  If so, I have a couple.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 1:12 PM
I have tried everything I can and it appears I am going to have to 
break down and buy an egr valve for the 97. Anybody got one laying around?




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

[MBZ] 123 240D Motor mounts

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Thursday the new motor mounts arrived and I put them  on.  The big bolt 
from down under (Mount to engine) on the driver side stripped the head 
before it let go.  I got the other side to let go before something 
broke, but just barely.   It was very tight.  I did get all the mount to 
frame bolts loose.  I had to take the left motor mount off the engine 
and buy a $43 set of bolt extractors (over the head) to get that side 
out.  The left side was also complicated by the fact that the mount was 
completely disintegrated, so it was hard to find and get to the 6mm head 
allen bolts  (8mm?)


The trans mount is not new, but was not collapsed, so I did not change 
it.  I started to, but one of the captive nuts was rusted away so the 
bolt and nut just spun.  I was running out of time, so I quit.  Another 
day, I will need to order new captive nuts and buy some bolts and have 
at it.


It had gotten so bad that SWMBO got scared by the noise of the engine 
flopping around on the broken mount.  Now I have to  convince her to 
drive it again.  A few short runs or a couple dual runs where she is a 
passenger may do the trick.


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

People have figured out how to bypass it on the turbo models but not the non 
turbos. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:38 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How does the computer know it is blocked?  Can you spoof the computer?
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
>> On 8/27/16 2:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> New ones are $550-$650. There was a used one on eBay for like $400
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nope. Computer knows if it's blocked or not and the car will hardly move.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Why?  Can’t you just block it off?
 
 
> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have tried everything I can and it appears I am going to have to break 
> down and buy an egr valve for the 97. Anybody got one laying around?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
 
 ___
 http://www.okiebenz.com
 
 To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
 
 To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
 http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t want a W140 anything.  I am so p*ssed over the inability to control or 
even marginally bypass the systems in this thing I’m done with it. While I have 
learned a significant amount with the really in depth use of the DAS/HHT, I am 
so frustrated by the complexity of the systems that it’s just not worth the 
headache when something goes wrong.

I would gladly go back to a W110 or W111 if I could find a nice one with AC, 
but the likelihood of that happening is minimal, and a bit extreme.  A nice 
W126 diesel for sure, maybe a W124 diesel if I could find one.


> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You need a 140 diesel. 124 diesels are really really really nice
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT Who wants it?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, simple test, resulting in numbers to determine the gain.  No gain with no 
filter = no gain with K filter.  K Hot air intake set up may cause worse 
performance.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On August 27, 2016 10:35:40 AM EDT, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Really? Marshall always suggested that the stock filter flowed plenty
>of air. He said 0-60 times with and without a filter would be basically
>the same...
>
>Curt
>
>Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Karl Wittnebel via
>Mercedes wrote:   They do "work" in terms of
>performance. They just don't keep the dirt out
>of the motor. I stuck one on the 617 one time. Pretty noticeable
>difference.
>
>On Aug 26, 2016 7:42 AM, "Donald Snook via Mercedes"
>
>wrote:
>
>> Put it on ebay. A lot of people who don't know better think those
>things
>> actually work.
>>
>> Don Snook
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:33 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT Who wants it?
>>
>> Cleaning out the garage I found a K filter I had bought for my old
>> Blazer and I don't think I ever used it.  But out of the box dropped
>a
>> sticker:
>>
>> K
>> FilterCharged!
>>
>> Putting this sticker on your car will definitely make it faster, esp
>a
>> 240D.  It's not too big but it is the message that counts. I will
>send it
>> to the first to reply with a "I want it"
>>
>> --
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>>
>>
>___
>http://www.okiebenz.com
>
>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>  
>___
>http://www.okiebenz.com
>
>To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
>To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

How does the computer know it is blocked?  Can you spoof the computer?

--FT


On 8/27/16 2:37 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

New ones are $550-$650. There was a used one on eBay for like $400

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:

Nope. Computer knows if it's blocked or not and the car will hardly move.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Why?  Can’t you just block it off?



On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I have tried everything I can and it appears I am going to have to break down 
and buy an egr valve for the 97. Anybody got one laying around?

Sent from my iPhone

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



--
--FT


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

You need a 140 diesel. 124 diesels are really really really nice

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> This is just another reason why I am seriously considering dumping even my 
> W140.  It’s been benched for the last two weeks with an ignition issue that 
> has been driving me nuts.  Even with having the DAS/HHT to use it’s been a 
> PITA to sort out.  I have a used EZL that’s coming in today’s mail that if 
> this down’t fix it, the car goes to an indie on Monday on a flatbed.
> 
> I have pretty well decided that if it gets to that point once it’s fixed it’s 
> going in a BAT auction and I’ll use the proceeds to find a nice W126 or W124 
> diesel to replace it.
> 
> I am so done with automotive computers/electronics it’s not funny.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nope. Computer knows if it's blocked or not and the car will hardly move.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Why?  Can’t you just block it off?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 I have tried everything I can and it appears I am going to have to break 
 down and buy an egr valve for the 97. Anybody got one laying around?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 ___
 http://www.okiebenz.com
 
 To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
 
 To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
 http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>> 
>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>> 
>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

[MBZ] R320CDI still for sale $12k

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5707278960.html


--
--FT


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

New ones are $550-$650. There was a used one on eBay for like $400

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> 
> Nope. Computer knows if it's blocked or not and the car will hardly move.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Why?  Can’t you just block it off?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried everything I can and it appears I am going to have to break 
>>> down and buy an egr valve for the 97. Anybody got one laying around?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>> 
>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>> 
>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

[MBZ] cheep ML

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/5724303566.html


--
--FT


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is just another reason why I am seriously considering dumping even my 
W140.  It’s been benched for the last two weeks with an ignition issue that has 
been driving me nuts.  Even with having the DAS/HHT to use it’s been a PITA to 
sort out.  I have a used EZL that’s coming in today’s mail that if this down’t 
fix it, the car goes to an indie on Monday on a flatbed.

I have pretty well decided that if it gets to that point once it’s fixed it’s 
going in a BAT auction and I’ll use the proceeds to find a nice W126 or W124 
diesel to replace it.

I am so done with automotive computers/electronics it’s not funny.

Dan

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nope. Computer knows if it's blocked or not and the car will hardly move.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Why?  Can’t you just block it off?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have tried everything I can and it appears I am going to have to break 
>>> down and buy an egr valve for the 97. Anybody got one laying around?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>> 
>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>> 
>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Nope. Computer knows if it's blocked or not and the car will hardly move.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Why?  Can’t you just block it off?
> 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have tried everything I can and it appears I am going to have to break 
>> down and buy an egr valve for the 97. Anybody got one laying around?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Why?  Can’t you just block it off?


> On Aug 27, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have tried everything I can and it appears I am going to have to break down 
> and buy an egr valve for the 97. Anybody got one laying around?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

[MBZ] 606 non turbo egr valve

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have tried everything I can and it appears I am going to have to break down 
and buy an egr valve for the 97. Anybody got one laying around?

Sent from my iPhone

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OM616 transfer pump and primer

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

On the transfer pump that is located on the side of the IP.


Mountain Man via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 11:09 AM
Where is this "primer pump" on OM616?
thanks
mao


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Painting trim

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Max, Karl

Thanks for your insights.

I think that a gentle sanding with a rubber block and fine sandpaper is going 
to be the method used.

TTFN

Fred.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Meade Dillon via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 25 August 2016 19:06
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Meade Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Painting trim

Uhh, the answer is "cawfully"?  You could also try a solvent like alcohol
or acetone.  Honestly I wouldn't sweat it too much, just roughen it up with
1000 grit, a little extra action using a sanding block on the ridge, and
paint over with desired color.

-
Max
Charleston SC

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OM616 transfer pump and primer

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Where is this "primer pump" on OM616?
thanks
mao

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT Who wants it?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Really? Marshall always suggested that the stock filter flowed plenty of air. 
He said 0-60 times with and without a filter would be basically the same...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Karl Wittnebel via 
Mercedes wrote:   They do "work" in terms of 
performance. They just don't keep the dirt out
of the motor. I stuck one on the 617 one time. Pretty noticeable difference.

On Aug 26, 2016 7:42 AM, "Donald Snook via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Put it on ebay. A lot of people who don't know better think those things
> actually work.
>
> Don Snook
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:33 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: [MBZ] OT Who wants it?
>
> Cleaning out the garage I found a K filter I had bought for my old
> Blazer and I don't think I ever used it.  But out of the box dropped a
> sticker:
>
> K
> FilterCharged!
>
> Putting this sticker on your car will definitely make it faster, esp a
> 240D.  It's not too big but it is the message that counts. I will send it
> to the first to reply with a "I want it"
>
> --
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

  
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT Who wants it?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

> What you're saying about ambient inlet pressure making no difference on a
turbocharged engine is not quite correct.
>
> The filter does create a variable flow restriction, which varies with
engine rpm.
>
> But the turbo operates on a pressure ratio. The lower the ambient
pressure at the turbo inlet, the longer it takes for the turbo to spool,
because it is feeding the engine less air at each rpm than it otherwise
would. It is trying to achieve 9 psi above ambient pressure, but being fed
less than ambient. The alda is waiting for the turbo to come on before
feeding more fuel to the engine also. So the whole process is delayed.
>
> The restrictive intake filter is sort of like being at higher altitude,
except the altitude varies directly with engine speed.
>
> Even when the wastegate is open, the turbo has to work harder to achieve
the same boost at a lower inlet pressure than it does at a higher inlet
pressure, so the pumping losses and possibly adiabatic compressor
efficiency losses are greater.
>
> So a less restrictive filter results in faster spool. I also found that
top end performance was improved, with a higher max rpm at max throttle. Is
isn't even subtle. Taking off from a stoplight is a different experience.
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2016 11:52 PM, "fmiser via Mercedes" 
wrote:
>>
>> > Karl wrote:
>> >
>> > [K filters] do "work" in terms of performance. They just don't
>> > keep the dirt out of the motor.
>>
>> Yeah, kinda what a filter is for.
>>
>> If the K is cleaned and oiled often, it can do okay.  But I
>> rarely find ones that are so cared for.
>>
>> > I stuck one on the 617 one time. Pretty noticeable difference.
>>
>> With a turbo, it shouldn't matter much.  At low RPM, there isn't
>> much air moving through the filter so filter restriction is not a
>> big factor.  When the turbo spools up, there is excess air that the
>> waste gate "dumps", so the restriction of the filter doesn't matter
>> until it's really bad.
>>
>> On a normally aspirated engine, though, the restriction of the
>> filter can be pretty noticeable.
>>
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>>
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

[MBZ] Clip Light super seal premium

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Sapphire (the E300D) has an AC leak in the evaporator, finally reached the 
point that it would only hold a charge for a couple or three weeks.

Wednesday evening I installed the super-duper "AC fix in a can" after 
recharging the system, which is R134.  Somehow I really nailed the proper 
refrigerant charge, so the system REALLY cools well.

Hopefully this leak sealer will prevent me from installing the evaporator from 
Wilton's old 300D.  Time will tell.  $20 and an hour of labor are worth a try, 
vs an evaporator R
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OM616 transfer pump and primer

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Bravo!  
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

[MBZ] OM616 transfer pump and primer

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Y'all lot have been very quiet fer 2 days!

Yesterday the new primer pump arrived.  I found the best buy from 
autohaus AZ.  It appears to be a genuine Boash and sez Made in Austria.  
I put iton the primer pump and swapped it onto the IP for the used one I 
put on when the original failed.  The symptom was uneven idle and 
occasional missing at idle, with smooth operation somewhere about 800 
RPM and higher.  Then it stalled one time.   The used pump helped but 
the idle was still rough when cold.   The rebuilt pump made the problem 
go away IF the idle was maybe normal idle or more.  So, I call it a WIN!


The new primer is one of those black spring loaded push plungers that 
I've seen pictures of as a replacement for the push-pull plunger type.   
It seems to work ok and you don't need to unscrew the plunger to make it 
work.  I used it to purge the air out of the system before I started the 
car.


Postmortem onthe old transfer pump showed the inlet check valve to have 
a very rough surface with radial serrations.  That was the culprit.


Now the problem is that the idle adjustment cable seems to have about 
1/2 the normal range of motion.  I have seem them break if people try to 
turn up the idle speed without holding down the accelerator pedal.  It 
has been this way since we got the car in 1995.   This one is 
different.  The knob on the dash seems to have full range, but the 
engine end of the cable seems to move only half what it should.  I'm 
guessing the cure is a new cable.  Anyone BTDT before?


If I get the idle speed to adjust right, the auld car will purr like a 
new one.  Right now, you need to keep a foot on the pedal for a minute 
or so while he warms up. and the cable can be used to get the idle right 
when the engine is warmed up.


The new motor mounts help too with the smoothness.





___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT Who wants it?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It is about filter area too.  The filter for my R75/5 had the same or 
more filter area (reportedly)   What is stupid is the tiny mushroom 
filter on an OM617 or OM603 engine, whether it is paper or K



fmiser via Mercedes 
August 27, 2016 at 1:53 AM

Karl wrote:

[K filters] do "work" in terms of performance. They just don't
keep the dirt out of the motor.


Yeah, kinda what a filter is for.

If the K is cleaned and oiled often, it can do okay.  But I
rarely find ones that are so cared for.


I stuck one on the 617 one time. Pretty noticeable difference.


With a turbo, it shouldn't matter much.  At low RPM, there isn't
much air moving through the filter so filter restriction is not a
big factor.  When the turbo spools up, there is excess air that the
waste gate "dumps", so the restriction of the filter doesn't matter
until it's really bad.

On a normally aspirated engine, though, the restriction of the
filter can be pretty noticeable.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
August 26, 2016 at 10:27 PM
They do "work" in terms of performance. They just don't keep the dirt out
of the motor. I stuck one on the 617 one time. Pretty noticeable 
difference.


On Aug 26, 2016 7:42 AM, "Donald Snook via Mercedes" 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Donald Snook via Mercedes 
August 26, 2016 at 9:42 AM
Put it on ebay. A lot of people who don't know better think those 
things actually work.


Don Snook

-Original Message-
From: Floyd Thursby [mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:33 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] OT Who wants it?

Cleaning out the garage I found a K filter I had bought for my old 
Blazer and I don't think I ever used it. But out of the box dropped a

sticker:

K
FilterCharged!

Putting this sticker on your car will definitely make it faster, esp a 
240D. It's not too big but it is the message that counts. I will send 
it to the first to reply with a "I want it"


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 25, 2016 at 4:33 PM
Cleaning out the garage I found a K filter I had bought for my old 
Blazer and I don't think I ever used it.  But out of the box dropped a 
sticker:


K
FilterCharged!

Putting this sticker on your car will definitely make it faster, esp a 
240D.  It's not too big but it is the message that counts. I will send 
it to the first to reply with a "I want it"




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT Who wants it?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Karl wrote:
> 
> [K filters] do "work" in terms of performance. They just don't
> keep the dirt out of the motor. 

Yeah, kinda what a filter is for.

If the K is cleaned and oiled often, it can do okay.  But I
rarely find ones that are so cared for.

> I stuck one on the 617 one time. Pretty noticeable difference.

With a turbo, it shouldn't matter much.  At low RPM, there isn't
much air moving through the filter so filter restriction is not a
big factor.  When the turbo spools up, there is excess air that the
waste gate "dumps", so the restriction of the filter doesn't matter
until it's really bad.

On a normally aspirated engine, though, the restriction of the
filter can be pretty noticeable.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com