[MBZ] Green on green

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/d/1977-mercury-marquis-colony/6465601439.html

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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It almost looks very similar to the clip thing that goes in the linkage 
on a 124 60x vehicle.  I may try one of those.



On 1/21/2018 8:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
If you go to a big old motorcycle shop or to an industrial supply in 
Tulsa, they might have something close,  On the BMW /5 series, there 
is a little tit that goes in the transmission to hold the clutch cable 
housing.  It might be possible to adapt wunna dem.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 8:48 PM
I would still think this would be in the epc somewhere even if not 
available.  I guess the only other thing to do would be to adjust the 
linkage to make up for the slop created.




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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If you go to a big old motorcycle shop or to an industrial supply in 
Tulsa, they might have something close,  On the BMW /5 series, there is 
a little tit that goes in the transmission to hold the clutch cable 
housing.  It might be possible to adapt wunna dem.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 8:48 PM
I would still think this would be in the epc somewhere even if not 
available.  I guess the only other thing to do would be to adjust the 
linkage to make up for the slop created.




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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I would still think this would be in the epc somewhere even if not 
available.  I guess the only other thing to do would be to adjust the 
linkage to make up for the slop created.



On 1/21/2018 8:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

They have been not available for years.  I asked Q way long ago.

They MAY come with a new cable.  They should!  It would make for a 
very expensive half gram of plastic.


Only thing I know of is to get a piece of 3/8 brass rod and machine 
your own.  The brass will last forever.  the plastic ones "only" last 
40 years or so


Or you can buy a 3d printer and make new plastic ones, and visor clips.

If someone can make a CAD file of the plastic ones, I will print some 
next summer when I have access to 3D printing.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 4:06 PM
On this 240d the linkage that comes from the pedal has 2 prongs that 
stick into the linkage on the engine and should have 2 plastic busing 
things in the holes. On this car the plastic parts are mostly missing 
so the pedal had to go about half way down before it starts moving 
the linkage. I can’t find these plastic pieces anywhere in the epc. 
Can anybody else find them?


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Re: [MBZ] 240d linkage

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

They have been not available for years.  I asked Q way long ago.

They MAY come with a new cable.  They should!  It would make for a very 
expensive half gram of plastic.


Only thing I know of is to get a piece of 3/8 brass rod and machine your 
own.  The brass will last forever.  the plastic ones "only" last 40 
years or so


Or you can buy a 3d printer and make new plastic ones, and visor clips.

If someone can make a CAD file of the plastic ones, I will print some 
next summer when I have access to 3D printing.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 4:06 PM
On this 240d the linkage that comes from the pedal has 2 prongs that 
stick into the linkage on the engine and should have 2 plastic busing 
things in the holes. On this car the plastic parts are mostly missing 
so the pedal had to go about half way down before it starts moving the 
linkage. I can’t find these plastic pieces anywhere in the epc. Can 
anybody else find them?


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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

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That is how I remembered it.  I know 85 is dual and 82 is single.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 8:18 PM
Your Indy is wrong.  81-83 had single row.  84-85 had double row.




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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

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Both as far as I know


On 1/21/2018 8:23 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

In the SL and SEL?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 21, 2018 9:18 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Your Indy is wrong.  81-83 had single row.  84-85 had double row.


On 1/21/2018 8:17 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:


My MB Indy said only 80 & 81 had single chain in 380 SL. So might this 82
have double?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 21, 2018 8:29 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:

It's pretty well guaranteed to have the single row timing chain . . .

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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I would love it.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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On Jan 21, 2018 6:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I wonder what the story is with this one? Maybe somebody was collecting
it


for some reason for years then died and it was lost in storage.

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On Jan 21, 2018, at 4:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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That would make someone a nice car.  unfortunately, it'll probably be


driven by a 20 yr old kid and be ruined in a year or two.


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 

January 21, 2018 at 4:51 PM
It really does appear to only have 50k miles.

https://www.copart.com/lot/20847365

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Re: [MBZ] The copart SD, how to bid

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Let me rephrase that, is says to upload a business license or ID.  When 
I go to my account page on licenses, it says the image I uploaded is 
pending, so I bet I will have to wait until tomorrow to bid.  Hopefully 
they get it processed.  I should have done it last week!


They have a licensing page that you can click on your state and OK says 
you do not need a business license to bid on cars listed there, same 
with LA.



On 1/21/2018 8:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
I pretty much get the same error.  Says to upload a business license 
or hire a broker.


I have highly interested in the rod bender.  The carfax lists an oil 
consumption test at around 160k miles, which is right in the rod 
bending time frame.  Since it is a 1 owner car, there could be a 
chance the engine was replaced around that time.  Especially since the 
engine is so clean from what I can tell.  It also appears to have some 
sort of sticker on the valve cover, which I have not seen before.



On 1/21/2018 8:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
On January 21, 2018 at 9:03 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:



Maybe there is a delay in registering and being able to bid? I 
uploaded a copy of drivers license. Maybe they have to process it?


One way to find out.
https://www.copart.com/lot/50100207
Throw a lowball bid on that Tulsa Bluetec like I said.
Worst thing that can happen is you get stuck with a $500 Bluetec.

If it takes your bid, the problem is with the rodbender listing.
If it won't take your bid, the problem is your account isn't authorized.
If you didn't upload your license when they were open last week, 
that's probably the problem.


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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

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In the SL and SEL?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 21, 2018 9:18 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Your Indy is wrong.  81-83 had single row.  84-85 had double row.
>
>
> On 1/21/2018 8:17 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> My MB Indy said only 80 & 81 had single chain in 380 SL. So might this 82
>> have double?
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2018 8:29 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's pretty well guaranteed to have the single row timing chain . . .
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would love it.
>>>
>>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>>> Wickford RI
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2018 6:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder what the story is with this one? Maybe somebody was collecting

>>> it
>>>
 for some reason for years then died and it was lost in storage.

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>
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That would make someone a nice car.  unfortunately, it'll probably be
>
 driven by a 20 yr old kid and be ruined in a year or two.

> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> January 21, 2018 at 4:51 PM
>> It really does appear to only have 50k miles.
>>
>> https://www.copart.com/lot/20847365
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Thanks Jaime
and I am proud of my 2005 E320 that has your name in the Command system.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 21, 2018 7:59 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes" <
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> I can tell you all from my time on the inside, working for and with R and
> quality departments for 15 years, there is still a tremendous focus on
> quality for the new cars.  Of course I can't share any details with anyone,
> but their quality system is very well designed to ensure an outstanding
> product.  And its also worth pointing out that a surprising number of
> people working at MB, in engineering, also own old Mercedes.  Lots of guys
> I knew had 108s, 107s, 123s... they get it.
>
> I own a 2011 E350 and am very impressed with it... its hard to believe its
> a 7-8 year old car.  And thats after driving new Mercedes constantly for
> the last 15 years.  I chose the car because it was a simple model without
> too many options, less to break.  Much like you all would have picked a
> 240D years ago.  If you're disappointed with the long-term quality of W220
> with air suspension and loads of advanced features, you'd probably would
> have been disappointed with a 1972 300SEL 4.5 or a 1979 6.9 in the same
> way.  If long life and simplicity are important to you, then shop for a car
> with longevity in mind and you can still buy a car you'll own for a long
> time and low cost of ownership.  I think the current C300 and E300 (both
> with steel suspension) are good examples of that.  They will be great used
> cars in a few years.
>
> But remember that the cars are not 240Ds and never will be again.  Quality
> isn't only mechanical quality, there is also the stability of the software
> to be considered.  Times have changed.  And Mercedes has changed with the
> times, and led the market.  The overall complexity of all modern cars is
> the result of the need to constantly improve efficiency, emissions, and
> safety.  All new cars on the road are far more complex than they were 30
> years ago, from every make.  You have to adapt your mindset to deal with
> them.  Just as a new skill set was required to work on fuel injected cars
> instead of carbureted cars.  If you approach a modern car with the mindset
> of a mechanic from 30 years ago, you will be very frustrated.  Thats what I
> see in all your comments... longing for the past, and not understanding how
> things have changed.
>
> Jaime
>
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> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 6:52 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
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> > All they need to do is last the lease and CPO.  Screw the third driver,
> > let alone the fourth.  If it makes it to six years without blowing up,
> that
> > is all for the good.  The initial driver has moved to another lease, and
> > the CPO purchaser has enough loyalty to needing to be seen to be flash,
> > that they will either get another benz, or move to BMW, Jag, or other
> > aspirational CPO
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> > 1986 SDL - Polei
> > 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >
> > retired models-
> > 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> > 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> > 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> > 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> > POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Modern car design goals:
> > >
> > > Primary concern: the vast majority have to outlive the warranty.
> > > Secondary concern: it's good for repeat business if the car outlasts
> the
> > lease.
> > >
> > > Reliability for the 4th owner after 250,000 miles isn't really
> something
> > they care about any more.
> > > Mitch.
> > >
> > >
> > >> On January 21, 2018 at 10:13 AM tyee165 via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB.
> > Will be many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
> > >> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They
> > move on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the
> > long term.
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Re: [MBZ] The copart SD, how to bid

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I pretty much get the same error.  Says to upload a business license or 
hire a broker.


I have highly interested in the rod bender.  The carfax lists an oil 
consumption test at around 160k miles, which is right in the rod bending 
time frame.  Since it is a 1 owner car, there could be a chance the 
engine was replaced around that time.  Especially since the engine is so 
clean from what I can tell.  It also appears to have some sort of 
sticker on the valve cover, which I have not seen before.



On 1/21/2018 8:13 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On January 21, 2018 at 9:03 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:


Maybe there is a delay in registering and being able to bid? I uploaded a copy 
of drivers license. Maybe they have to process it?


One way to find out.
https://www.copart.com/lot/50100207
Throw a lowball bid on that Tulsa Bluetec like I said.
Worst thing that can happen is you get stuck with a $500 Bluetec.

If it takes your bid, the problem is with the rodbender listing.
If it won't take your bid, the problem is your account isn't authorized.
If you didn't upload your license when they were open last week, that's 
probably the problem.

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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

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Your Indy is wrong.  81-83 had single row.  84-85 had double row.


On 1/21/2018 8:17 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

My MB Indy said only 80 & 81 had single chain in 380 SL. So might this 82
have double?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 21, 2018 8:29 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:

It's pretty well guaranteed to have the single row timing chain . . .

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I would love it.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 21, 2018 6:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I wonder what the story is with this one? Maybe somebody was collecting

it

for some reason for years then died and it was lost in storage.

Sent from my iPhone


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

That would make someone a nice car.  unfortunately, it'll probably be

driven by a 20 yr old kid and be ruined in a year or two.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 4:51 PM
It really does appear to only have 50k miles.

https://www.copart.com/lot/20847365


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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

My MB Indy said only 80 & 81 had single chain in 380 SL. So might this 82
have double?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 21, 2018 8:29 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:

It's pretty well guaranteed to have the single row timing chain . . .

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> I would love it.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Jan 21, 2018 6:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I wonder what the story is with this one? Maybe somebody was collecting
> it
> > for some reason for years then died and it was lost in storage.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 21, 2018, at 4:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > That would make someone a nice car.  unfortunately, it'll probably be
> > driven by a 20 yr old kid and be ruined in a year or two.
> > >
> > >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> > >> January 21, 2018 at 4:51 PM
> > >> It really does appear to only have 50k miles.
> > >>
> > >> https://www.copart.com/lot/20847365
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] The copart SD, how to bid

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> On January 21, 2018 at 9:03 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Maybe there is a delay in registering and being able to bid? I uploaded a 
> copy of drivers license. Maybe they have to process it?


One way to find out. 
https://www.copart.com/lot/50100207
Throw a lowball bid on that Tulsa Bluetec like I said.
Worst thing that can happen is you get stuck with a $500 Bluetec. 

If it takes your bid, the problem is with the rodbender listing. 
If it won't take your bid, the problem is your account isn't authorized. 
If you didn't upload your license when they were open last week, that's 
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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I can fix that!


OK Don via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 7:29 PM
It's pretty well guaranteed to have the single row timing chain . . .



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Re: [MBZ] The copart SD, how to bid

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Maybe there is a delay in registering and being able to bid? I uploaded a copy 
of drivers license. Maybe they have to process it?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On January 21, 2018 at 8:48 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I guess the screen shot did not show up.
>> 
>> When I click on the offer button I get the exact same thing as you.  
>> When I put in an amount and click submit I get this
>> 
>> Due to licensing restrictions you are unable to bid on this lot. However 
>> the following options are available for unlicensed buyers
> 
> 
> So why does that lot remain when when I click the 'no license required' 
> checkbox in the upper left of the search screen?
> I say call the Baton Rouge yard in the morning and ask them if it's supposed 
> to be dealer only.
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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

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Wow that is a very nice car

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> On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:48 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
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> 
> Its a shame... a very undesirable car in possibly remarkable condition.
> 
> I had one of those once... complete with single row timing chain.  I sold
> it to a guy in Isreal
> http://www.jaimekop.com/ebay/380/
> 
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> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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>> It really does appear to only have 50k miles.
>> 
>> https://www.copart.com/lot/20847365
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Re: [MBZ] The copart SD, how to bid

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> On January 21, 2018 at 8:48 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I guess the screen shot did not show up.
> 
> When I click on the offer button I get the exact same thing as you.  
> When I put in an amount and click submit I get this
> 
> Due to licensing restrictions you are unable to bid on this lot. However 
> the following options are available for unlicensed buyers


So why does that lot remain when when I click the 'no license required' 
checkbox in the upper left of the search screen?
I say call the Baton Rouge yard in the morning and ask them if it's supposed to 
be dealer only.

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Re: [MBZ] Even more ATF de-watering

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Makes me want to pull some borscht out of the freezer...

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> The stove will light colder than a propane torch will. In single digits
> propane torches are kinda iffy. Its just quicker to preheat with the torch.
> Thats fake mapp gas. That rig is better than either of the other two
> torches I've had, I'm not sure if its the torch head or the mapp gas but it
> works good. Goes in the groomer with me to open locks on gates. I have one
> lock I have to open every run and one I had to unlock that the state forgot.
> -Curt
>
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>
>
> How to light a Coleman stove in winter:
> Step 1: light MAPP torch...
>
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> The real stuff is getting hard to find.
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Re: [MBZ] The copart SD, how to bid

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I guess the screen shot did not show up.

When I click on the offer button I get the exact same thing as you.  
When I put in an amount and click submit I get this


Due to licensing restrictions you are unable to bid on this lot. However 
the following options are available for unlicensed buyers



On 1/21/2018 7:40 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

What do you get when you click the offer button?

I get:

  Bid Status: Never Bid
Current Bid: $125 USD
Your Offer: $

Please confirm your email address and phone number(s) shown below are accurate 
as you will be contacted to complete this transaction should the Seller accept 
your offer.

Important Notice If the seller accepts your offer, you will be contacted by 
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are committed to this bid for two business days, including the date of the 
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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Its a shame... a very undesirable car in possibly remarkable condition.

I had one of those once... complete with single row timing chain.  I sold
it to a guy in Isreal
http://www.jaimekop.com/ebay/380/

Jaime


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> It really does appear to only have 50k miles.
>
> https://www.copart.com/lot/20847365
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

If you have a dehumidifier you could save it's output for this...
Curt

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  On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   Seems like a waste of money to me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Indy shop I use. Uses Distilled water when doing the citric acid flush 
> and mixing
> with the coolant for final fill.
> Remember to mix the coolant and water BEFORE adding it to the system.
> 
> Russ
> 
>> On Sun,1/21/18 15:56, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would not think you would use distilled water just for a flush. Need to 
>> use it when doing the final fill.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 3:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Curt,
>>> Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
>>> concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
>>> water? or how, what?
>>> 
>>> I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Grant...
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA
 
 Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
 -Curt
 
 
    On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
 Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
 That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
 It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and throw
 away the bottle it came in.
 Mitch.
 
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> ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Like I said earlier, a 380 would be the perfect recipient of that euro 500
engine . . .

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 7:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Yea it’s too bad it’s a 380
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:29 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > It's pretty well guaranteed to have the single row timing chain . . .
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I would love it.
> >>
> >> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >> Wickford RI
> >>
> >> On Jan 21, 2018 6:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I wonder what the story is with this one? Maybe somebody was collecting
> >> it
> >>> for some reason for years then died and it was lost in storage.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On Jan 21, 2018, at 4:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  That would make someone a nice car.  unfortunately, it'll probably be
> >>> driven by a 20 yr old kid and be ruined in a year or two.
> 
> > Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> > January 21, 2018 at 4:51 PM
> > It really does appear to only have 50k miles.
> >
> > https://www.copart.com/lot/20847365
> >
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Re: [MBZ] The copart SD, how to bid

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What do you get when you click the offer button?

I get:

 Bid Status: Never Bid
Current Bid: $125 USD
Your Offer: $

Please confirm your email address and phone number(s) shown below are accurate 
as you will be contacted to complete this transaction should the Seller accept 
your offer. 

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

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Disherwasher detergent is used first, to remove the oil, which then lets
the rest of the water soluble chemicals do their thing.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:55 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> How well does baking soda dissolve into water? You could use it to
> neutralize the acid.
> Maybe this is a good reason to do the dishwasher detergent treatment
> after, that should be basic...
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 4:52:34 PM EST, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> The question rises, at that concentration, would it hold the acid in
> suspension? 14 oz per gallon [approx] is pretty close to absorption point,
> I would think
>
> Should do an "extra fine job" of pulling scale and iron rust off the
> interior surfaces of the cooling system followed by a flush, flush,
> flush... rinse, then flush... to stop any further reaction.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Holy toot! Almost a pound per gallon... Actually I've never weighed it.
> > I wonder if you could reuse from one vehicle to another?
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 4:43:15 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >  From the PDF Rick just posted - 100 grams/liter of water for
> de-calcifying
> > the cooling system. That's roughly (very) 14 oz./gallon.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Curt,
> > > Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
> > > concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
> > > water? or how, what?
> > >
> > > I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > Grant...
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA
> > > >
> > > > Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
> > > > -Curt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via
> > > Mercedes
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
> > > > That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
> > > > It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and
> > throw
> > > > away the bottle it came in.
> > > > Mitch.
> > > >
> > > > > On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-
> > > > softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-
> > > > softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes, it easily dissolves in a gallon of water. It's not a "really" strong
solution.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> The question rises, at that concentration, would it hold the acid in
> suspension? 14 oz per gallon [approx] is pretty close to absorption point,
> I would think
>
> Should do an "extra fine job" of pulling scale and iron rust off the
> interior surfaces of the cooling system followed by a flush, flush,
> flush... rinse, then flush... to stop any further reaction.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Holy toot! Almost a pound per gallon... Actually I've never weighed it.
> > I wonder if you could reuse from one vehicle to another?
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 4:43:15 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >  From the PDF Rick just posted - 100 grams/liter of water for
> de-calcifying
> > the cooling system. That's roughly (very) 14 oz./gallon.
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Curt,
> > > Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
> > > concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
> > > water? or how, what?
> > >
> > > I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > Grant...
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA
> > > >
> > > > Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
> > > > -Curt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via
> > > Mercedes
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
> > > > That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
> > > > It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and
> > throw
> > > > away the bottle it came in.
> > > > Mitch.
> > > >
> > > > > On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-
> > > > softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-
> > > > softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm
> > > > >
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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea it’s too bad it’s a 380

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:29 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It's pretty well guaranteed to have the single row timing chain . . .
> 
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I would love it.
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>> On Jan 21, 2018 6:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I wonder what the story is with this one? Maybe somebody was collecting
>> it
>>> for some reason for years then died and it was lost in storage.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 21, 2018, at 4:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 That would make someone a nice car.  unfortunately, it'll probably be
>>> driven by a 20 yr old kid and be ruined in a year or two.
 
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> January 21, 2018 at 4:51 PM
> It really does appear to only have 50k miles.
> 
> https://www.copart.com/lot/20847365
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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

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It's pretty well guaranteed to have the single row timing chain . . .

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 5:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would love it.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Jan 21, 2018 6:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I wonder what the story is with this one? Maybe somebody was collecting
> it
> > for some reason for years then died and it was lost in storage.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 21, 2018, at 4:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > That would make someone a nice car.  unfortunately, it'll probably be
> > driven by a 20 yr old kid and be ruined in a year or two.
> > >
> > >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> > >> January 21, 2018 at 4:51 PM
> > >> It really does appear to only have 50k miles.
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Jaime‎ sez:

(a bunch of‎ really on point stuff...)

Thank you for your enlightened commentary.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] The copart SD, how to bid

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

PS where do you filter by no license required?


On 1/21/2018 7:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On January 21, 2018 at 7:51 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:


So how do you tell if the private buyers can bid or if its a dealer only
deal?  I do not see anything on this SD listing it one way or the other
but I tried to put a bid and it said I couldn't. WTF?

Insurance auto auctions makes it clear who can bid in the auction listing.
At CoPart, the best I can usually do is filter a search for 'no license 
required' and see if it disappears, or sometimes I'll put a lowball bid on 
something just to see if I'm allowed to bid on it.
When I hit the 'no license' checkbox on my watchlist, that SD remains, so it 
should be biddable with no license, assuming you are enabled for bidding.

What happens if you throw a $225 bid at this one?
https://www.copart.com/lot/50100207

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Re: [MBZ] The copart SD, how to bid

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well this is what I get when I click the make offer button.



On 1/21/2018 7:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On January 21, 2018 at 7:51 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:


So how do you tell if the private buyers can bid or if its a dealer only
deal?  I do not see anything on this SD listing it one way or the other
but I tried to put a bid and it said I couldn't. WTF?

Insurance auto auctions makes it clear who can bid in the auction listing.
At CoPart, the best I can usually do is filter a search for 'no license 
required' and see if it disappears, or sometimes I'll put a lowball bid on 
something just to see if I'm allowed to bid on it.
When I hit the 'no license' checkbox on my watchlist, that SD remains, so it 
should be biddable with no license, assuming you are enabled for bidding.

What happens if you throw a $225 bid at this one?
https://www.copart.com/lot/50100207

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Re: [MBZ] The copart SD, how to bid

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> On January 21, 2018 at 7:51 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So how do you tell if the private buyers can bid or if its a dealer only 
> deal?  I do not see anything on this SD listing it one way or the other 
> but I tried to put a bid and it said I couldn't. WTF?

Insurance auto auctions makes it clear who can bid in the auction listing. 
At CoPart, the best I can usually do is filter a search for 'no license 
required' and see if it disappears, or sometimes I'll put a lowball bid on 
something just to see if I'm allowed to bid on it. 
When I hit the 'no license' checkbox on my watchlist, that SD remains, so it 
should be biddable with no license, assuming you are enabled for bidding. 

What happens if you throw a $225 bid at this one?
https://www.copart.com/lot/50100207

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I can tell you all from my time on the inside, working for and with R and
quality departments for 15 years, there is still a tremendous focus on
quality for the new cars.  Of course I can't share any details with anyone,
but their quality system is very well designed to ensure an outstanding
product.  And its also worth pointing out that a surprising number of
people working at MB, in engineering, also own old Mercedes.  Lots of guys
I knew had 108s, 107s, 123s... they get it.

I own a 2011 E350 and am very impressed with it... its hard to believe its
a 7-8 year old car.  And thats after driving new Mercedes constantly for
the last 15 years.  I chose the car because it was a simple model without
too many options, less to break.  Much like you all would have picked a
240D years ago.  If you're disappointed with the long-term quality of W220
with air suspension and loads of advanced features, you'd probably would
have been disappointed with a 1972 300SEL 4.5 or a 1979 6.9 in the same
way.  If long life and simplicity are important to you, then shop for a car
with longevity in mind and you can still buy a car you'll own for a long
time and low cost of ownership.  I think the current C300 and E300 (both
with steel suspension) are good examples of that.  They will be great used
cars in a few years.

But remember that the cars are not 240Ds and never will be again.  Quality
isn't only mechanical quality, there is also the stability of the software
to be considered.  Times have changed.  And Mercedes has changed with the
times, and led the market.  The overall complexity of all modern cars is
the result of the need to constantly improve efficiency, emissions, and
safety.  All new cars on the road are far more complex than they were 30
years ago, from every make.  You have to adapt your mindset to deal with
them.  Just as a new skill set was required to work on fuel injected cars
instead of carbureted cars.  If you approach a modern car with the mindset
of a mechanic from 30 years ago, you will be very frustrated.  Thats what I
see in all your comments... longing for the past, and not understanding how
things have changed.

Jaime


On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 6:52 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> All they need to do is last the lease and CPO.  Screw the third driver,
> let alone the fourth.  If it makes it to six years without blowing up, that
> is all for the good.  The initial driver has moved to another lease, and
> the CPO purchaser has enough loyalty to needing to be seen to be flash,
> that they will either get another benz, or move to BMW, Jag, or other
> aspirational CPO
>
>
> clay
>
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> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
>
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> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Modern car design goals:
> >
> > Primary concern: the vast majority have to outlive the warranty.
> > Secondary concern: it's good for repeat business if the car outlasts the
> lease.
> >
> > Reliability for the 4th owner after 250,000 miles isn't really something
> they care about any more.
> > Mitch.
> >
> >
> >> On January 21, 2018 at 10:13 AM tyee165 via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB.
> Will be many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
> >> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They
> move on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the
> long term.
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[MBZ] The copart SD, how to bid

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So how do you tell if the private buyers can bid or if its a dealer only 
deal?  I do not see anything on this SD listing it one way or the other 
but I tried to put a bid and it said I couldn't. WTF?


https://www.copart.com/lot/50632867


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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Ace hardware stores have it in the canning section.  About $7 for 32 oz.

clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

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> 
> FWIW, citric acid powder is available from MB, A000989102511. I don't 
> remember the price; I bought four or five containers of it years ago. 
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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I would love it.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 21, 2018 6:41 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I wonder what the story is with this one? Maybe somebody was collecting it
> for some reason for years then died and it was lost in storage.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 21, 2018, at 4:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> >
> > That would make someone a nice car.  unfortunately, it'll probably be
> driven by a 20 yr old kid and be ruined in a year or two.
> >
> >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >> January 21, 2018 at 4:51 PM
> >> It really does appear to only have 50k miles.
> >>
> >> https://www.copart.com/lot/20847365
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

All they need to do is last the lease and CPO.  Screw the third driver, let 
alone the fourth.  If it makes it to six years without blowing up, that is all 
for the good.  The initial driver has moved to another lease, and the CPO 
purchaser has enough loyalty to needing to be seen to be flash, that they will 
either get another benz, or move to BMW, Jag, or other aspirational CPO


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Modern car design goals:
> 
> Primary concern: the vast majority have to outlive the warranty.
> Secondary concern: it's good for repeat business if the car outlasts the 
> lease. 
> 
> Reliability for the 4th owner after 250,000 miles isn't really something they 
> care about any more. 
> Mitch.
> 
> 
>> On January 21, 2018 at 10:13 AM tyee165 via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. Will be 
>> many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
>> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They  move 
>> on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the long 
>> term.
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

The new benz is made for lease, not purchase.  Maybe there is enough quality 
left for it to CPO, so the two or three year old S class has a few years left 
before it gets too expensive to fix.  As a lease, the multiple flaws will be 
covered by warrantee work.A decade in, the cars turn to crap.  

I am beginning to see w211 and other contemporary models at PnP.



clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 21, 2018, at 7:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. Will be 
> many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They  move on. 
> I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the long term.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>  Original message From: Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  Date: 2018-01-21  8:55 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner  Subject: Re: 
> [MBZ] Major disappointment
> Many people don't understand the difference between MBs and other cars.  
> I had a friend who was looking for a new car - he test drove a new MB 
> and was not impressed.  He said a Chev or Ford felt the same way when he 
> tested them.  What I could not get him to understand was the difference o not 
> worry
> in quality didn't come when testing a new car.  Almost anyone can put a 
> car together that will feel great for the 1st month or 2. It became 
> obvious after 10 or more years with 100K or 200K miles on the clock but 
> with maintenance needed to keep it running properly that quality had to 
> be built in at the beginning.  The car magazines all make a similar 
> mistake although they do like to talk about the MBs craftsmanship.  But 
> in a week or so driving one they don't really know.  If they bought 
> pre-owned like many on the list they might come to understand the 
> importance of owning a car put together like a Swiss watch.
> 
> But the less the public knows, the more nice used MBs for us ;-)
> 
> LarryT
> 
> On 01/20/2018 11:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> that is just sick.  When they wanted $60k for a dissel gran cherokee, 
>> I told em they were crazy!  For that money, I'd buy a MB.
>> 
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> January 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM
>>> I was in a new Jeep Grand Cherokee the other day. Sticker price was $92k
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I wonder what the story is with this one? Maybe somebody was collecting it for 
some reason for years then died and it was lost in storage.

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> On Jan 21, 2018, at 4:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That would make someone a nice car.  unfortunately, it'll probably be driven 
> by a 20 yr old kid and be ruined in a year or two.
> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> January 21, 2018 at 4:51 PM
>> It really does appear to only have 50k miles.
>> 
>> https://www.copart.com/lot/20847365
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

But, Larry, the newer examples of DBAG on the road are nothing like the 30 year 
old cars.  They are much more like a Frod or Chebby, or even a korean car.

I trolled the PnP yards for years and played with all manner of carcass while 
there.  I could see how the korean car quality increased, while the Mercedes 
became more disposable.  The plastics were lower quality and more pervasive, 
while the build quality was creeping toward Dodge and Jeep standards.  I also 
found parts from china being used, where I am pretty sure the old stuff was 
european.

The Benz reputation is being carried not by the recent models, but by the cars 
Dan, and the rest of us are keeping on the road.  It used to be that finding a 
10 year old benz in the yard was super rare, and the 20 year old cars were just 
starting to show.  Now the standard is for a 10 year old car making its way to 
the knackers instead of being kept on a car lot, hoping to find a buyer.  



clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Jan 21, 2018, at 6:55 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Many people don't understand the difference between MBs and other cars.  I 
> had a friend who was looking for a new car - he test drove a new MB and was 
> not impressed.  He said a Chev or Ford felt the same way when he tested them. 
>  What I could not get him to understand was the difference in quality didn't 
> come when testing a new car.  Almost anyone can put a car together that will 
> feel great for the 1st month or 2. It became obvious after 10 or more years 
> with 100K or 200K miles on the clock but with maintenance needed to keep it 
> running properly that quality had to be built in at the beginning.  The car 
> magazines all make a similar mistake although they do like to talk about the 
> MBs craftsmanship.  But in a week or so driving one they don't really know.  
> If they bought pre-owned like many on the list they might come to understand 
> the importance of owning a car put together like a Swiss watch.
> 
> But the less the public knows, the more nice used MBs for us ;-)
> 
> LarryT

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Re: [MBZ] A euro 126 with the AMG bumpers

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The psychotropic substances are strong with this one


Est. Retail Value:$7,000 USD
—FT
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> On Jan 21, 2018, at 5:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 126.037 is a 500SEL.  Velour seats and federalized vin sticker indicate it 
> was a RTW model.  Probably Yurpeen.
> 
> Looks like something Kaleb should rescue.
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> January 21, 2018 at 4:39 PM
>> At least I believe these are AMG.  These bumpers and trim used to be worth 
>> quite a bit of money.
>> 
>> https://www.copart.com/lot/31159367
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I bought my '97 4WD crew cab F250HD 7.3 P/S in '06 and paid about 10-11K for 
it. It had 104K mi. on it at the time. It will pull or carry pretty much 
anything I need, gets 15-17 mpg unless towing something heavy like my 6 ton 5th 
wheel. Why anyone would pay 50-60K for fru-fru is beyond me!

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

The  $50,000 to $60,000 peekups with all the "luxury" trim/interior such 
as the frod "platinum" "limited" "SVT Raptor" and "King Ranch"   are 
what I classify as wussywagons.   They are not meant for work, but to 
show off the owners wealth or to stroke the owners ego, or to satisfy the wife 
while doing one of the former..  The "platinum" is definitely trimmed to sell 
to the female market.  To be fair, pretty much all cars, MB included are 
targeted at the female market.  There may be some argument about the king 
ranch, but with a price tag over $50,000, leather steering wheel cover, heated 
seats, etc, it definitely has options that fall into the wussy category.  Each 
of these would be competing with a MB/nissan pickup.

I am not picking on frod, because GM, dodge, toada and nissan all offer 
products with similar fru-fru.  I am more familiar with their trim levels.

When you compare the $50k-60k wagens to the $27k ford F150 XL, can you honestly 
tell me a "limited or "platinum" is worth twice as much 
money?   Will they get twice as much MPG?  Will they last twice as 
long?  Will they carry twice as much?  Do they have some combination of the 3 
that justifies being worth twice as much?

The gummit meddling in the vehicle market has driven people away from cars and 
into peekups.  The carmakers are not stupid.  they are just capitalizing on the 
weaknesses of people and what their gummit has taxed/regulated them into.

> Randy Bennell via Mercedes  January 19, 
> 2018 at 10:40 AM
>
>
> What would you consider to not be a wussywagon? A Unimog?
> I cannot see myself doing long trips at highway speeds in one of those.
>
>
> I suggest that the 4WD 1/2 ton crew cab pickups are the best thing 
> since sliced bread. Basically, a big sedan with a huge trunk. Haul 
> people and/or loads of lumber etc and pull a trailer behind too if 
> need be. The biggest disadvantage is parking them.
>
> I don't need 3/4 ton capacity so not much point in hauling the extra 
> weight around. Would consider a diesel if I needed it and could 
> justify it but I cannot.
>
> RB

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Re: [MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That would make someone a nice car.  unfortunately, it'll probably be 
driven by a 20 yr old kid and be ruined in a year or two.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 4:51 PM
It really does appear to only have 50k miles.

https://www.copart.com/lot/20847365



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Re: [MBZ] A euro 126 with the AMG bumpers

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> On January 21, 2018 at 5:39 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> At least I believe these are AMG.  These bumpers and trim used to be 
> worth quite a bit of money.
> 
> https://www.copart.com/lot/31159367

500SEL with velour and a body kit. 
What kind of body kit I'm not sure. 

Might be interesting to try out one of those inductive hail dent removers on 
it. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cP6StA5VYg

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] A euro 126 with the AMG bumpers

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

126.037 is a 500SEL.  Velour seats and federalized vin sticker indicate 
it was a RTW model.  Probably Yurpeen.


Looks like something Kaleb should rescue.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 4:39 PM
At least I believe these are AMG.  These bumpers and trim used to be 
worth quite a bit of money.


https://www.copart.com/lot/31159367



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[MBZ] a 50K mile 126 storage lien auction

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It really does appear to only have 50k miles.

https://www.copart.com/lot/20847365

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I agree.  that is how I have always done it.  In the old 'merkun iron 
with 4 gal cooling systems, we dumped in 2 gal prestone, then filled it 
with water.  That way you KNOW it is good to 20 below.  If you dumped in 
50/50, you'd end up with 15 to 18 below, and could lose an engine or get 
stranded when the radiator froze.  Of course, blocking 80% of the 
radiator with cardboard helped too.   (modern version of radiator shutters)



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 4:22 PM

Without a drain cock in the bottom of the block, I always put half the 
system capacity of coolant in it, then top off with water, because 
there was already some unknown quantity of water in there after flushing.


The drive for an hour to mix the stuff. For me, a round trip to town 
to run errands takes care of that.


Mitch.


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[MBZ] A euro 126 with the AMG bumpers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

At least I believe these are AMG.  These bumpers and trim used to be 
worth quite a bit of money.


https://www.copart.com/lot/31159367



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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

When I bought my first SDL, the OM603 was running without a thermostat 
for the first few months.  I thought the thermo was stuck partly open 
because it never would get up to operating temp.  When I finally 
figgered out WHERE the thermostat was, and had the new one in hand, I 
had to stick my finger in both sides before I believed someone had taken 
out the thermostat and put it back together without a thermostat.  I 
have run OM616 without thermostat for a few days before without any 
problems other than the engine not getting up to normal operation temp.



Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
January 21, 2018 at 3:17 PM
I can only tell you my experience with my '81 300TD. I saw the same 
thing in my '83 240D. If you run the engine up to operating temp, then 
shut it off and restart it'll over heat. I think with that procedure 
you could get away with it because you don't stop and start again but 
you can't drive around (or at least can't drive around much) without a 
thermostat.
This is almost as bad as the argument about driving around with a 
loose pressure cap, that one I did a lot of...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

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> On January 21, 2018 at 5:21 PM Russ Williams via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Indy shop I use. Uses Distilled water when doing the citric acid 
> flush and mixing
> with the coolant for final fill.
> Remember to mix the coolant and water BEFORE adding it to the system.

Without a drain cock in the bottom of the block, I always put half the system 
capacity of coolant in it, then top off with water, because there was already 
some unknown quantity of water in there after flushing. 

The drive for an hour to mix the stuff. For me, a round trip to town to run 
errands takes care of that. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Seems like a waste of money to me.

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> On Jan 21, 2018, at 4:21 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The Indy shop I use. Uses Distilled water when doing the citric acid flush 
> and mixing
> with the coolant for final fill.
> Remember to mix the coolant and water BEFORE adding it to the system.
> 
> Russ
> 
>> On Sun,1/21/18 15:56, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would not think you would use distilled water just for a flush. Need to 
>> use it when doing the final fill.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 3:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Curt,
>>> Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
>>> concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
>>> water? or how, what?
>>> 
>>> I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> Grant...
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA
 
 Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
 -Curt
 
 
On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
 Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
 That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
 It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and throw
 away the bottle it came in.
 Mitch.
 
> On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.
> 
> https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

The Indy shop I use. Uses Distilled water when doing the citric acid 
flush and mixing

with the coolant for final fill.
Remember to mix the coolant and water BEFORE adding it to the system.

Russ

On Sun,1/21/18 15:56, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I would not think you would use distilled water just for a flush. Need to use 
it when doing the final fill.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 21, 2018, at 3:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

Curt,
Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
water? or how, what?

I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP

Thanks in advance.
Grant...

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA

Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
-Curt


On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and throw
away the bottle it came in.
Mitch.


On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.

https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-

softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-
softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

13.351 oz per Gal

On Sun,1/21/18 15:43, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

 From the PDF Rick just posted - 100 grams/liter of water for de-calcifying
the cooling system. That's roughly (very) 14 oz./gallon.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:


Curt,
Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
water? or how, what?

I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP

Thanks in advance.
Grant...

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA

Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
-Curt


 On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via

Mercedes

 wrote:

  Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and throw
away the bottle it came in.
Mitch.


On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <

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‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.

https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-

softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-
softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm
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Re: [MBZ] Even more ATF de-watering

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The stove will light colder than a propane torch will. In single digits propane 
torches are kinda iffy. Its just quicker to preheat with the torch.
Thats fake mapp gas. That rig is better than either of the other two torches 
I've had, I'm not sure if its the torch head or the mapp gas but it works good. 
Goes in the groomer with me to open locks on gates. I have one lock I have to 
open every run and one I had to unlock that the state forgot.
-Curt
 

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 wrote:  
 
 
How to light a Coleman stove in winter:
Step 1: light MAPP torch...

BTW, is that real MAPP gas, or propylene in a yellow bottle?
The real stuff is getting hard to find. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Even more ATF de-watering

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How to light a Coleman stove in winter:
Step 1: light MAPP torch...

BTW, is that real MAPP gas, or propylene in a yellow bottle?
The real stuff is getting hard to find. 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Yep... distilled for final fill... with tap water rinse, all drain cocks
open... lower hose off, etc... fits what I've read so far...

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would not think you would use distilled water just for a flush. Need to
> use it when doing the final fill.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 21, 2018, at 3:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Curt,
> > Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
> > concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
> > water? or how, what?
> >
> > I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Grant...
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA
> >>
> >> Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>
> >>On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via
> Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
> >> That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
> >> It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and
> throw
> >> away the bottle it came in.
> >> Mitch.
> >>
> >>> On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-
> >> softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-
> >> softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I would not think you would use distilled water just for a flush. Need to use 
it when doing the final fill.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2018, at 3:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Curt,
> Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
> concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
> water? or how, what?
> 
> I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Grant...
> 
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA
>> 
>> Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
>> -Curt
>> 
>> 
>>On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
>> That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
>> It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and throw
>> away the bottle it came in.
>> Mitch.
>> 
>>> On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.
>>> 
>>> https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-
>> softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-
>> softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How well does baking soda dissolve into water? You could use it to neutralize 
the acid.
Maybe this is a good reason to do the dishwasher detergent treatment after, 
that should be basic...

-Curt






On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 4:52:34 PM EST, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





The question rises, at that concentration, would it hold the acid in
suspension? 14 oz per gallon [approx] is pretty close to absorption point,
I would think

Should do an "extra fine job" of pulling scale and iron rust off the
interior surfaces of the cooling system followed by a flush, flush,
flush... rinse, then flush... to stop any further reaction.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Holy toot! Almost a pound per gallon... Actually I've never weighed it.
> I wonder if you could reuse from one vehicle to another?
> -Curt
>
>
>    On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 4:43:15 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  From the PDF Rick just posted - 100 grams/liter of water for de-calcifying
> the cooling system. That's roughly (very) 14 oz./gallon.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Curt,
> > Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
> > concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
> > water? or how, what?
> >
> > I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Grant...
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA
> > >
> > > Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >
> > >    On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via
> > Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >  Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
> > > That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
> > > It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and
> throw
> > > away the bottle it came in.
> > > Mitch.
> > >
> > > > On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-
> > > softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-
> > > softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The question rises, at that concentration, would it hold the acid in
suspension? 14 oz per gallon [approx] is pretty close to absorption point,
I would think

Should do an "extra fine job" of pulling scale and iron rust off the
interior surfaces of the cooling system followed by a flush, flush,
flush... rinse, then flush... to stop any further reaction.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Holy toot! Almost a pound per gallon... Actually I've never weighed it.
> I wonder if you could reuse from one vehicle to another?
> -Curt
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 4:43:15 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  From the PDF Rick just posted - 100 grams/liter of water for de-calcifying
> the cooling system. That's roughly (very) 14 oz./gallon.
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Curt,
> > Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
> > concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
> > water? or how, what?
> >
> > I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Grant...
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA
> > >
> > > Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > >
> > >On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via
> > Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >  Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
> > > That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
> > > It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and
> throw
> > > away the bottle it came in.
> > > Mitch.
> > >
> > > > On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-
> > > softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-
> > > softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Holy toot! Almost a pound per gallon... Actually I've never weighed it.
I wonder if you could reuse from one vehicle to another?
-Curt
 

On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 4:43:15 PM EST, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 From the PDF Rick just posted - 100 grams/liter of water for de-calcifying
the cooling system. That's roughly (very) 14 oz./gallon.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Curt,
> Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
> concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
> water? or how, what?
>
> I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Grant...
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA
> >
> > Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> >    On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via
> Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >  Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
> > That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
> > It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and throw
> > away the bottle it came in.
> > Mitch.
> >
> > > On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.
> > >
> > > https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-
> > softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-
> > softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[OK Don via Mercedes]

From the PDF Rick just posted - 100 grams/liter of water for de-calcifying
the cooling system. That's roughly (very) 14 oz./gallon.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 3:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Curt,
> Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
> concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
> water? or how, what?
>
> I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Grant...
>
> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA
> >
> > Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
> > -Curt
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via
> Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >  Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
> > That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
> > It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and throw
> > away the bottle it came in.
> > Mitch.
> >
> > > On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes Wilton,
I loved my 124-I had it for 11 years and it had 270k miles with  original
engine & tranny. A friend is still driving it.
Jury is out on my 211- I have had it 14 months. 159K. Had issue with 4
matic transfer case but dealer fixed it for fluid change and doing figure
8's.

Dwight Giles
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Wickford RI

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 2:44 PM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Overall, I liked my 124 (totaled at 29+ years & 148kmi) better than my 211
> (11 years & 82kmi).
>
> W
>
> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
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> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment
>
>
> Just from working on some of the newer cars I would guess they will not
>> last as long. Some of the 10 year old cars now I see priced at about half
>> or a 3rd or what a similarly model would have been when the 123 124 126 and
>> 140s were at the same 10 year mark in their life cycle. If that makes
>> sense. They seem cheaper to buy.
>>
>> The 210 seems ok but is not built as tough as the 124 or older. While I
>> like driving the 210, every time I get back into a 124 I really think I
>> like them better even though the 210 has some nice modern features.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> That would be my concerns as well.  Do modern MBs have the longevity of
>>> their legacies, or are they commodities like other marques?
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 10:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB.
 Will be many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
 Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They
 move on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the
 long term.


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[MBZ] Even more ATF de-watering

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Made a video of the de-watering process. I've gotten it down pretty smooth now. 

https://youtu.be/gVFAsBNGWnE

The stuff in the video was the first drawn off the machine when we realized we 
had a problem, its horrible, the video is probably 2 hours of actual boiling. 
Today we drained the machine, the stuff coming out now isn't real bad at all. 
We went all out and drained 4 of the plow cylinders, the cylinder that puts the 
wheels on the drag down and its looong hose, the drag is 18 feet long, the 
machine is probably 14 so thats a long run.
We refilled and I boiled the water out of the stuff we took out, only took 
about half an hour. While we were at it I dunked the filter, which is about the 
same diameter as a 61x oil filter but about 16" long, into a pot of boiling 
oil. Standing in the pot the filter became a steaming volcano, apparently its 
been trapping water. Ben doesn't remember ever changing that filter and he's 
been running the machine since 2001, obviously we're ordering a new filter...

We did 2 swaps today, I *think* we found the issue too, I don't think the cap 
seal is sealing well. There are 3 tanks and this one the seal doesn't get an 
obvious mark when its closed like the other 2 do, we'll see if we can get a new 
seal...

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

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To be honest if you buy that link I posted I also get a kickback through the 
Amazon affiliate program.
For general cleaning you don't need very much, I usually get a gallon of hot 
water from the tap and add 3 or 4 tablespoons. One time I cooked the crystals 
in, I can't remember how much I finally got in but it couldn't have been a 
whole cup.
I think MB wants 10% mixture, I have no idea how to calculate that but I 
suspect a couple tablespoons in a gallon would de-scale the system just fine. 
That amount works great to clean brass lantern parts. If you leave steel in it 
for a week or three it disappears. I found that out the hard way.

-Curt
 

On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 4:18:26 PM EST, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Curt,
Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
water? or how, what?

I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP

Thanks in advance.
Grant...

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> http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA
>
> Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
> -Curt
>
>
>    On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>  Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
> That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
> It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and throw
> away the bottle it came in.
> Mitch.
>
> > On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.
> >
> > https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-
> softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-
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[MBZ] OT: Wilton wheels

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

It says 'vandalism damage'. I think they're talking about the whale tail and 
the wheels. 
https://www.copart.com/lot/23034588

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Curt,
Looks like the Amazon listing is the best bang for the buck. What
concentration do you use when using the dry powder?  Mix with distilled
water? or how, what?

I have 6 vehicles that need cooling system cleaning, ASAP

Thanks in advance.
Grant...

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> http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA
>
> Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>  Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
> That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
> It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and throw
> away the bottle it came in.
> Mitch.
>
> > On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it.
> >
> > https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-
> softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-
> softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

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I can only tell you my experience with my '81 300TD. I saw the same thing in my 
'83 240D. If you run the engine up to operating temp, then shut it off and 
restart it'll over heat. I think with that procedure you could get away with it 
because you don't stop and start again but you can't drive around (or at least 
can't drive around much) without a thermostat.
This is almost as bad as the argument about driving around with a loose 
pressure cap, that one I did a lot of...
-Curt
 

On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 4:04:16 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Here is the pdf file. On page one step A.2. It says "remove thermostat". On 
page 3 step B.6. It says "install coolant thermostat with new sealing ring 
(20-10)". This is for OM617 engines in 123, 116, and 126 chassis cars. I do 
realize Marshall was adamant about blocking open the thermostat. In this 
instance, he was contradicting what the manual indicates, in other words, 
wrong. 

On OM602 engines, you DO block open the thermostat, I believe. 

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

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Shut it off and restart, thats when it'll overheat. Thats how I got my '81 
300TD for $300. Thats also how the previous owner managed to ruin the head 
gasket on that car. 

-Curt





On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 3:33:11 PM EST, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





I had mine running for 30-45 minutes with no thermostat and I could barely get 
the needle to move up at all 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A 61x engine with the thermostat removed WILL overheat. The thermostat closes 
> the passage back into the engine forcing coolant into the radiator. 
> Interestingly with a cold engine it won't happen right away but if you get 
> the engine warm, shut it off and restart it'll overheat rapidly.
> -Curt
> 
> 
>    On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 10:27:18 AM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
> 
>>> I removed the thermostat and >>reinstalled with the gasket but no
>>> thermostat
> 
>> The best way is to put in a blocked-open >thermostat, otherwise you do
>> not get full flow through the radiator.
> 
> On 61X engines the thermostat is removed. On 60X engines the thermostat is 
> blocked open. At least that's what the factory manual says. ‎And no I don't 
> have a copy handy. 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I had mine running for 30-45 minutes with no thermostat and I could barely get 
the needle to move up at all 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2018, at 1:46 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> A 61x engine with the thermostat removed WILL overheat. The thermostat closes 
> the passage back into the engine forcing coolant into the radiator. 
> Interestingly with a cold engine it won't happen right away but if you get 
> the engine warm, shut it off and restart it'll overheat rapidly.
> -Curt
> 
> 
>On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 10:27:18 AM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
>>> I removed the thermostat and >>reinstalled with the gasket but no
>>> thermostat
> 
>> The best way is to put in a blocked-open >thermostat, otherwise you do
>> not get full flow through the radiator.
> 
> On 61X engines the thermostat is removed. On 60X engines the thermostat is 
> blocked open. At least that's what the factory manual says. ‎And no I don't 
> have a copy handy. 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

$2.24 a pound

‎

Here it is possibly cheaper, depending on shipping. 

http://alphachemicals.com/citric_acid

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

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Correction, make that $12/lb
https://www.oemercedesbenzparts.com/oem-parts/mercedes-benz-lemon-acid-000989102511

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

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> On January 21, 2018 at 2:58 PM David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> FWIW, citric acid powder is available from MB, A000989102511. I don't 
> remember the price; I bought four or five containers of it years ago. 

Thanks for the part number. 
Looks to be about $17/lb now. 
https://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/53126/Citric-Acid-Cooling-System-Flush-000989102511/

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

FWIW, citric acid powder is available from MB, A000989102511. I don't remember 
the price; I bought four or five containers of it years ago. 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

http://amzn.to/2rtyUbA

Lots cheaper. I use this on Coleman parts all the time...
-Curt
 

On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 12:38:01 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and throw away 
the bottle it came in. 
Mitch. 

> On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it. 
> 
> https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A 61x engine with the thermostat removed WILL overheat. The thermostat closes 
the passage back into the engine forcing coolant into the radiator. 
Interestingly with a cold engine it won't happen right away but if you get the 
engine warm, shut it off and restart it'll overheat rapidly.
-Curt
 

On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 10:27:18 AM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 >> I removed the thermostat and >>reinstalled with the gasket but no
>> thermostat

>The best way is to put in a blocked-open >thermostat, otherwise you do
>not get full flow through the radiator.

On 61X engines the thermostat is removed. On 60X engines the thermostat is 
blocked open. At least that's what the factory manual says. ‎And no I don't 
have a copy handy. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Piece of metal tubing.
-Curt
 

On Sunday, January 21, 2018, 10:22:28 AM EST, tyee165  
wrote:  
 
 How do block it open?


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 Date: 2018-01-21 8:09 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
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 Cc: Curt Raymond  Subject: Re: 
[MBZ] 240d cooling system flush 
Removing it won't, blocking it open will...

Curt

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  On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via 
Mercedes wrote:   Did you remove the thermostat to flush 
it?  It'll help make sure there is
good flow through the whole system.

Jaime


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> I need to find a nozzle that will fit. That would have probably made it a
> little easier.
>
> I can’t imagine trying to do a flush like this on say, a 642 powered car.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 20, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
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> >
> > The cooling system in my old 300TD had much brown sludge.  I had a hose
> nozzle that neatly fit inside the heater hoses so I used it to flush the
> heater core and the engine just by running (lots of) tap water through the
> heater and the block.  That seemed to do the job.
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

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I'm not sure I'd go bragging about MB quality anymore, especially not the stuff 
from the early 2000s, the admitted "low quality years".

Pretty much any hoopty made today will go 10 years, 200,000 miles. Around here 
the body will pretty well be done in the 12-15 year range but the 
engine/transmission will probably be fine if any amount of maintenance has been 
kept up. 200,000 miles is not the challenge it once was.

I don't own anything will less than 100,000 miles right now.

-Curt






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Many people don't understand the difference between MBs and other cars.  
I had a friend who was looking for a new car - he test drove a new MB 
and was not impressed.  He said a Chev or Ford felt the same way when he 
tested them.  What I could not get him to understand was the difference 
in quality didn't come when testing a new car.  Almost anyone can put a 
car together that will feel great for the 1st month or 2. It became 
obvious after 10 or more years with 100K or 200K miles on the clock but 
with maintenance needed to keep it running properly that quality had to 
be built in at the beginning.  The car magazines all make a similar 
mistake although they do like to talk about the MBs craftsmanship.  But 
in a week or so driving one they don't really know.  If they bought 
pre-owned like many on the list they might come to understand the 
importance of owning a car put together like a Swiss watch.

But the less the public knows, the more nice used MBs for us ;-)

LarryT

On 01/20/2018 11:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> that is just sick.  When they wanted $60k for a dissel gran cherokee, 
> I told em they were crazy!  For that money, I'd buy a MB.
>
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> January 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM
>> I was in a new Jeep Grand Cherokee the other day. Sticker price was $92k
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Overall, I liked my 124 (totaled at 29+ years & 148kmi) better than my 211 
(11 years & 82kmi).


W

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2018 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment


Just from working on some of the newer cars I would guess they will not 
last as long. Some of the 10 year old cars now I see priced at about half 
or a 3rd or what a similarly model would have been when the 123 124 126 
and 140s were at the same 10 year mark in their life cycle. If that makes 
sense. They seem cheaper to buy.


The 210 seems ok but is not built as tough as the 124 or older. While I 
like driving the 210, every time I get back into a 124 I really think I 
like them better even though the 210 has some nice modern features.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 21, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:


That would be my concerns as well.  Do modern MBs have the longevity of 
their legacies, or are they commodities like other marques?


-D


On Jan 21, 2018, at 10:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes 
 wrote:


The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. 
Will be many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They 
move on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the 
long term.



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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Mitch asks:

>‎Oh, it's dry citric acid?

Yup. Granules, or crystals. If I could've waited the two days for delivery, I 
would've ordered online. With the car on jack stands and all the coolant 
drained out, I needed it today and not tomorrow. I think I did a search and 
this stuff turned up. I went to Menards and sure enough it was citric acid. I 
am not sure that stuff is one hundred percent anymore. It was.  

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[OK Don via Mercedes]

This looks like the deal - under $7/lb with shipping:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005XTWMK4/ref=sspa_dk_detail_5?psc=1_rd_i=B005XTWMK4_rd_wg=bqBgV_rd_r=544GMCGXF9RNHD846M92_rd_w=5EGq2

Should last you a life time.

On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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>
> > On January 21, 2018 at 12:44 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Mitch sez:
> >
> > >‎That would make it about $7/lb for citric >acid?
> >
> > Yeah. The stuff I got was 100%.
>
> Oh, it's dry citric acid?
> I assumed it was a solution in water.
> At any rate, a 10lb bag is cheaper per pound, but that stuff is handier.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think the W210 is a nice transitional model from the earlier, more solid 
W124/W126/W140 chassis’ cars. It’s not as solid like a W124 is, for sure, but 
the more modern amenities it has and the reliability certainly are better than 
the W124.  That’s not to say the W124 models weren’t reliable - they are, I 
think.

-D


> On Jan 21, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just from working on some of the newer cars I would guess they will not last 
> as long. Some of the 10 year old cars now I see priced at about half or a 3rd 
> or what a similarly model would have been when the 123 124 126 and 140s were 
> at the same 10 year mark in their life cycle. If that makes sense. They seem 
> cheaper to buy. 
> 
> The 210 seems ok but is not built as tough as the 124 or older. While I like 
> driving the 210, every time I get back into a 124 I really think I like them 
> better even though the 210 has some nice modern features. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

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> On January 21, 2018 at 12:44 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Mitch sez:
> 
> >‎That would make it about $7/lb for citric >acid?
> 
> Yeah. The stuff I got was 100%. 

Oh, it's dry citric acid?
I assumed it was a solution in water. 
At any rate, a 10lb bag is cheaper per pound, but that stuff is handier. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Mitch sez:

>‎That would make it about $7/lb for citric >acid?

Yeah. The stuff I got was 100%. Pricey, but I needed it now. I will probably 
buy the Milliards stuff from Amazon in a few weeks for two bucks a pound.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Contains Citric Acid, 60-100%.
That would make it about $7/lb for citric acid?
It's in a handy container, just dump a pound of acid in the car and throw away 
the bottle it came in. 
Mitch. 

> On January 21, 2018 at 12:22 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> ‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it. 
> 
> https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

‎I've used this stuff. 100% citric acid when I bought it. 

https://www.menards.com/main/plumbing/water-filtration-softeners/water-softeners-cleaners/out-filter-mate-softener-cleaner-and-salt-booster-24-oz/t006n/p-144183670.htm

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Just from working on some of the newer cars I would guess they will not last as 
long. Some of the 10 year old cars now I see priced at about half or a 3rd or 
what a similarly model would have been when the 123 124 126 and 140s were at 
the same 10 year mark in their life cycle. If that makes sense. They seem 
cheaper to buy. 

The 210 seems ok but is not built as tough as the 124 or older. While I like 
driving the 210, every time I get back into a 124 I really think I like them 
better even though the 210 has some nice modern features. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That would be my concerns as well.  Do modern MBs have the longevity of their 
> legacies, or are they commodities like other marques?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2018, at 10:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. Will be 
>> many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
>> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They  move 
>> on. I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the long 
>> term.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Block heater available

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OK folks.  I recall someone may have osted a link to the cord for this
block heater, but I can't track it down.  Would appreciate, etc.

Andrew

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
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> Couldn't say for sure.
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Ubatuba?
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 1/16/18 8:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> $15 incl. shipping. Reply privately.
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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

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> On January 21, 2018 at 10:48 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Water softener cleaner is 100% citric acid and can be found at hardware 
> stores inexpensively.

Most of the stuff I looked at is Phosphoric Acid.
http://www.jugfree.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Res-Care-Data.pdf

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Water softener cleaner is 100% citric acid and can be found at hardware stores 
inexpensively.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Modern car design goals:

Primary concern: the vast majority have to outlive the warranty.
Secondary concern: it's good for repeat business if the car outlasts the lease. 

Reliability for the 4th owner after 250,000 miles isn't really something they 
care about any more. 
Mitch.


> On January 21, 2018 at 10:13 AM tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. Will be 
> many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They  move on. 
> I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the long term.

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>> I removed the thermostat and >>reinstalled with the gasket but no
>> thermostat

>The best way is to put in a blocked-open >thermostat, otherwise you do
>not get full flow through the radiator.

On 61X engines the thermostat is removed. On 60X engines the thermostat is 
blocked open. At least that's what the factory manual says. ‎And no I don't 
have a copy handy. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Who needs a Coleman trailer? Dan? MG?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t have any Nerf guns for trade.

-D

 
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Re: [MBZ] Retirement

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I guess for some their only social interactions occur at work, so when they
retire this key support for emotional health goes away...

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> I have no shortage of projects to do.  Then there are places to go.  And
> there are always things to do.
>
> Under the things to do category: Went yesterday with SWMBO and had Irsh
> coffee and Fish and chips.  It was excellent and took over 2 hours.  And I
> am not old enough to drink coffee!
>
> Fred Moir via Mercedes 
>> January 20, 2018 at 9:45 PM
>> My grandfather, born 1900, was retired from the Kent Constabulary in
>> 1965,and, after 6 months at home, my grandmother brought him his hat and
>> coat saying "Don't come back until you have a job."
>>
>> He took a Custodian of Quarters position for the Met. and worked for
>> another 23 years, outliving my grandmother.
>>
>> Retirement is not for the faint hearted.
>>
>> My only real gripe is that everybody in my family thinks that I'm doing
>> nothing, so feel free to steal my time for their projects! (And resent
>> being told no. or hell no!)
>>
>>
>> Fred Moir.
>> Lynn MA.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That would be my concerns as well.  Do modern MBs have the longevity of their 
legacies, or are they commodities like other marques?

-D

  
> On Jan 21, 2018, at 10:13 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. Will be 
> many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
> Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They  move on. 
> I suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the long term.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A

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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

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How do block it open?


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 Date: 2018-01-21  8:09 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List , Mercedes Discussion List 
 Cc: Curt Raymond  Subject: Re: 
[MBZ] 240d cooling system flush 
Removing it won't, blocking it open will...

Curt

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  On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via 
Mercedes wrote:   Did you remove the thermostat to flush 
it?  It'll help make sure there is
good flow through the whole system.

Jaime


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> I need to find a nozzle that will fit. That would have probably made it a
> little easier.
>
> I can’t imagine trying to do a flush like this on say, a 642 powered car.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 20, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The cooling system in my old 300TD had much brown sludge.  I had a hose
> nozzle that neatly fit inside the heater hoses so I used it to flush the
> heater core and the engine just by running (lots of) tap water through the
> heater and the block.  That seemed to do the job.
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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

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The quality was built in 40 years ago. Not so sure about the new MB. Will be 
many years before we will be certain, and I may be gone by then.
Many people who buy new do not keep a car long enough to care. They  move on. I 
suspect that is why car companies do not much worry about the long term.


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 Original message From: Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-01-21  8:55 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: 
mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner  Subject: Re: 
[MBZ] Major disappointment
Many people don't understand the difference between MBs and other cars.  
I had a friend who was looking for a new car - he test drove a new MB 
and was not impressed.  He said a Chev or Ford felt the same way when he 
tested them.  What I could not get him to understand was the difference o not 
worry
in quality didn't come when testing a new car.  Almost anyone can put a 
car together that will feel great for the 1st month or 2. It became 
obvious after 10 or more years with 100K or 200K miles on the clock but 
with maintenance needed to keep it running properly that quality had to 
be built in at the beginning.  The car magazines all make a similar 
mistake although they do like to talk about the MBs craftsmanship.  But 
in a week or so driving one they don't really know.  If they bought 
pre-owned like many on the list they might come to understand the 
importance of owning a car put together like a Swiss watch.

But the less the public knows, the more nice used MBs for us ;-)

LarryT

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> that is just sick.  When they wanted $60k for a dissel gran cherokee, 
> I told em they were crazy!  For that money, I'd buy a MB.
>
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> January 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM
>> I was in a new Jeep Grand Cherokee the other day. Sticker price was $92k
>>
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[MBZ] Who needs a Coleman trailer? Dan? MG?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] Could be nice but engine seems dirty for a supposed new engine

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

In fairness it has been over 5 years since the engine was replaced.  
It'd be nice to know how many miles he put on that replacement engine.

LarryT
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"$2000.00 and that is a great price for the vintage Mercedes." UNTIL 
you have to do an evapectomy!



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 20, 2018 at 7:56 PM
1991 Mercedes Turbo Diesel

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Re: [MBZ] Major disappointment

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Many people don't understand the difference between MBs and other cars.  
I had a friend who was looking for a new car - he test drove a new MB 
and was not impressed.  He said a Chev or Ford felt the same way when he 
tested them.  What I could not get him to understand was the difference 
in quality didn't come when testing a new car.  Almost anyone can put a 
car together that will feel great for the 1st month or 2. It became 
obvious after 10 or more years with 100K or 200K miles on the clock but 
with maintenance needed to keep it running properly that quality had to 
be built in at the beginning.  The car magazines all make a similar 
mistake although they do like to talk about the MBs craftsmanship.  But 
in a week or so driving one they don't really know.  If they bought 
pre-owned like many on the list they might come to understand the 
importance of owning a car put together like a Swiss watch.


But the less the public knows, the more nice used MBs for us ;-)

LarryT

On 01/20/2018 11:39 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
that is just sick.  When they wanted $60k for a dissel gran cherokee, 
I told em they were crazy!  For that money, I'd buy a MB.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM
I was in a new Jeep Grand Cherokee the other day. Sticker price was $92k



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Re: [MBZ] 240d cooling system flush

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Removing it won't, blocking it open will...

Curt

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  On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via 
Mercedes wrote:   Did you remove the thermostat to flush 
it?  It'll help make sure there is
good flow through the whole system.

Jaime


On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I need to find a nozzle that will fit. That would have probably made it a
> little easier.
>
> I can’t imagine trying to do a flush like this on say, a 642 powered car.
>
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> > On Jan 20, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The cooling system in my old 300TD had much brown sludge.  I had a hose
> nozzle that neatly fit inside the heater hoses so I used it to flush the
> heater core and the engine just by running (lots of) tap water through the
> heater and the block.  That seemed to do the job.
> >
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