Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

ROFL! He parodied a lot of popular songs back then. "How much is that hound dog 
in the winder" (How much is that doggie in the window),  etc.
Gerry

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 18:49:55 -0600
"M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes"  wrote:

> I prefer the Spike Jones version:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9mT-ibaAQo
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Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Vaughn Monroe was first on the charts with it in 1948. He was the first to 
popularize it and the first to sing it on radio IIRC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaughn_Monroe#Singles
Gerry

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 20:08:47 -0500 (EST)
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> 
> The first time was when Hollywood commissioned Spiderbait to do a movie theme 
> in 1947, or 2007, or something like that. ;-)
> 
> In all seriousness, it's one of the few tunes that usually sets my pulse 
> racing, 70 years later. 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsgEdYjoqUI
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAKN_zYAwV4
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Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack

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Vaughn Monroe, number one on the charts in 1948.
Gerry

On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 16:21:39 -0800
Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  wrote:

> I thought it was sons of the pioneers.
> 
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019, 3:30 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'll bet no one here is old enough to remember the first singer who sang
> > Ghost Riders in the Sky.
> > Hint: He was a truck driver whose throat was injured in an accident. The
> > injury have him a "new voice" which made him the most popular singer of the
> > early post WW-2 era.
> > Gerry
> >
> > On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 13:25:45 -0600
> > Curley McLain via Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > > One of the most thrilling live songs I ever heard was the Sons of the
> > > Pioneers (on many 1950s westerns, especially the singing cowboy
> > > westerns) sing Ghost Riders.
> > >
> > > They were in the Rodeo arena.
> > >
> > > > Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> > > > December 22, 2019 at 10:15 AM
> > > > There are multiple versions of Ghost Chickens in the Sky
> > > > The one I remember:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ0M65i_D6w
> > > >
> > > > A chicken farmer went out on one dark and dusty day
> > > > And by the coop he rested as he went along his way
> > > > When all at once a rotten egg hit him in the eye
> > > > It was the sight he dreaded: Ghost Chickens in the SkyTM
> > > >
> > > > This farmer had these chickens since he was twenty-four
> > > > Working for the Colonel (pronounced "Kernel," eh?)(TM) for thirty
> > > > years or more
> > > > Raising all those chickens up to send them off to fry
> > > > And now they want revenge: Ghost Chickens in the Sky
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > A newer one:
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66vT4CMpCl4
> > > >
> > > > An old cowboy went out and bought a ranch in '65
> > > > Spent all of his money and no cattle could he buy.
> > > > So he called up Colonel Sanders and asked, "What should I do?"
> > > > The Colonel said, "Buy chickens, and build the chicken coop."
> > > > Now he's been a chicken rancher since he was 24
> > > > Yeah, workin' for the Colonel now for 30 years or more!
> > > > Ah, fixing all those chickens up and sending them to fry,
> > > > now they want revenge.
> > > >
> > > > Ghost Chickens in the Sky!
> > > > Chickens to bake, and chickens to fry.
> > > > Ghost Chickens in the Sky!
> > > >
> > > > He was out a walkin' on his chicken ranch one day
> > > > He stopped along the chicken coop as he went along his way,
> > > > and all at once a rotten egg, it hit 'em in the eye.
> > > > It was, a terrible sight.
> > > > Ghost Chickens in the Sky!
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Vaughn Monroe was number one on the charts for singing Riders in the Sky in 
1948.
Burl Ives singles list and chart rating doesn't show Riders in the Sky, but he 
probably sang it since he tried nearly every popular song that came along.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaughn_Monroe#Singles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burl_Ives#1930s%E2%80%931940s

Marty Robbins and Burl Ives had great voices. I remember watching Martys TV 
show not long before he died.  I still catch myself mentally singing those old 
songs from the 30s to those sung during the Vietnam war. After that, I couldn't 
tell you the names of singers or the songs they sang. Times and tastes change, 
of course.
Gerry
..
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 18:31:49 -0600
Curley McLain via Mercedes  wrote:

> Is it Burl Ives?   Red Sovine and Marty Robbins were my first 
> thoughts.    I love Giddy up go and Phantom 309, and pretty much 
> everything Marty ever did. Somebody in El paso said that now 
> nobodyin ELPaso know who Marty Robbins is or "El Paso."
> 
> When I couldn't sleep at night as a kid, I'd dial in WSM after midnight 
> and listen to the music, but the interviews were the best.
> 
> Burl Ives Christmas songs are great!
> 
> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/19 5:29 PM:
> > first singer who sang Ghost Riders in the Sky.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Looks like Burl recorded it a month before Vaughn, but Burl only made it 
as high as #21. Nothing mentioned about a throat injury that I can find.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(Ghost)_Riders_in_the_Sky:_A_Cowboy_Legend

I like Marty Robbins' "The legend of El Roho"  best!


archer75--- via Mercedes 
December 23, 2019 at 3:01 AM
Vaughn Monroe was number one on the charts for singing Riders in the 
Sky in 1948.
Burl Ives singles list and chart rating doesn't show Riders in the 
Sky, but he probably sang it since he tried nearly every popular song 
that came along.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaughn_Monroe#Singles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burl_Ives#1930s%E2%80%931940s

Marty Robbins and Burl Ives had great voices. I remember watching 
Martys TV show not long before he died. I still catch myself mentally 
singing those old songs from the 30s to those sung during the Vietnam 
war. After that, I couldn't tell you the names of singers or the songs 
they sang. Times and tastes change, of course.

Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

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> On December 22, 2019 at 10:41 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> the only one I'd use is techron, but if you follow Mitch's advice, I 
> don't think you'd need any.   Running *fresh* e10 to e85 will keep things 
> clean.

Letting a car sit until the E10 in it smells like crap will clog things up in a 
hurry. 
Drain that crap out and run 20 gallons of 93 octane Shell or a bottle of 
Techron through it if that happens.
I experimented with E85 in the Saturn last year. This is a car that runs -10 to 
-15 fuel trim on E10. 
When I got up around 60% ethanol, assuming the E85 was really 85% (it probably 
wasn't) it started setting a check engine light from long term fuel trim 
getting over +25. (help, I keep adding fuel and the O2 sensor still claims it's 
lean). Noticed a little more power with the E50, but after the experiment was 
over I'm not sure it runs as well as it did before. Or maybe I got used to it 
running stronger the month it was a fuelie. 

That guy on Youtube, I think it's Practical Farmer, who does the silly oil 
tests?
He did a silly gasoline test once. The part I didn't find silly was when he 
soaked some sooty head bolts from an old Briggs&Stratton in V+ Shell and it 
cleaned them up pretty well. Nice demonstration of what it's supposed to do to 
EGR sooted intake valves over time. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I use Costco fuel in my cars exclusively, and have never had a problem. It’s 
Top Tier stuff, so tossing an occasional bottle of Techron in them is a waste 
of money.

I’ve never looked, but i wonder if there is an equivalent for Top Tier fuel in 
diesel? I tell the eldest boy to always fuel up at our local Shell. The price 
is competitive and it’s unlikely they would have crappy fuel. It’s a busy place 
and turns fuel over pretty often as well.

-D


> On Dec 23, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On December 22, 2019 at 10:41 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> the only one I'd use is techron, but if you follow Mitch's advice, I 
>> don't think you'd need any.   Running *fresh* e10 to e85 will keep things 
>> clean.
> 
> Letting a car sit until the E10 in it smells like crap will clog things up in 
> a hurry. 
> Drain that crap out and run 20 gallons of 93 octane Shell or a bottle of 
> Techron through it if that happens.
> I experimented with E85 in the Saturn last year. This is a car that runs -10 
> to -15 fuel trim on E10. 
> When I got up around 60% ethanol, assuming the E85 was really 85% (it 
> probably wasn't) it started setting a check engine light from long term fuel 
> trim getting over +25. (help, I keep adding fuel and the O2 sensor still 
> claims it's lean). Noticed a little more power with the E50, but after the 
> experiment was over I'm not sure it runs as well as it did before. Or maybe I 
> got used to it running stronger the month it was a fuelie. 
> 
> That guy on Youtube, I think it's Practical Farmer, who does the silly oil 
> tests?
> He did a silly gasoline test once. The part I didn't find silly was when he 
> soaked some sooty head bolts from an old Briggs&Stratton in V+ Shell and it 
> cleaned them up pretty well. Nice demonstration of what it's supposed to do 
> to EGR sooted intake valves over time. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

That article says Stan Jones wrote it and recorded it in late 1948 or early 
1949, and everybody else recorded it in 1949. But Wiki isn't always accurate. 

BTW, this is what happens when my childhood Rock and Roll hero, Randy Bachman, 
decides to record a western song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq94f49Q-fU
By 1977, BTO didn't get radio play in USA, the only reason I knew the song was 
that I bought the album. Apparently Randy quit right after the album was 
recorded. (it was on the Freeways album in 1977, I have no idea why the 
youtuber used the 4 wheel drive album art)

Maybe our Randy heard it on the radio in western Canada?
Mitch. 

> On December 23, 2019 at 4:54 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Looks like Burl recorded it a month before Vaughn, but Burl only made it 
> as high as #21. Nothing mentioned about a throat injury that I can find.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(Ghost)_Riders_in_the_Sky:_A_Cowboy_Legend
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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 23, 2019 at 8:57 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I’ve never looked, but i wonder if there is an equivalent for Top Tier fuel 
> in diesel?

https://www.toptiergas.com/diesel-licensed-brands/

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Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

BTO is good stuff.  I don't recall hearing that one before!   Sounds 
like they had been listening to Mason Proffit.   Mason Profit blended 
western, bluegrass, and rock with some blues thrown in for goog 
measure.   They never reached big label stardom, but were a #1 
regional/underground band. roughly 1968-74.  The album Movin Toward 
Happiness is a masterpiece. Ive posted a link to one of their songs from 
time to time.


REO Speedwagon was the same regional favorite in about the same time 
period.   I was shocked when REO got mainline airtime in 1988-89 and 
were introduced as a "new band" on west cost stations.  I thought they 
were a huge success  in 1970_/+ y 5 yrs.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
December 23, 2019 at 8:16 AM
That article says Stan Jones wrote it and recorded it in late 1948 or 
early 1949, and everybody else recorded it in 1949. But Wiki isn't 
always accurate.


BTW, this is what happens when my childhood Rock and Roll hero, Randy 
Bachman, decides to record a western song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq94f49Q-fU
By 1977, BTO didn't get radio play in USA, the only reason I knew the 
song was that I bought the album. Apparently Randy quit right after 
the album was recorded. (it was on the Freeways album in 1977, I have 
no idea why the youtuber used the 4 wheel drive album art)


Maybe our Randy heard it on the radio in western Canada?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 AFAIK every drop of gas sold in the commonwealth of MA is E10. I had some 
amount of trouble with it early on, these days I don't have any more trouble 
than I did before everything was E10. These days I add 1oz of Seafoam to ever 
gallon of gas I put in a can. I'm not sure if thats what makes it keep better 
but in the garage I've got 5 gallons I bought 2 years ago that seems to still 
work okay, the snowblower doesn't mind it anyhow.
-Curt

On Monday, December 23, 2019, 8:51:26 AM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
> On December 22, 2019 at 10:41 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> the only one I'd use is techron, but if you follow Mitch's advice, I 
> don't think you'd need any.   Running *fresh* e10 to e85 will keep things 
> clean.

Letting a car sit until the E10 in it smells like crap will clog things up in a 
hurry. 
Drain that crap out and run 20 gallons of 93 octane Shell or a bottle of 
Techron through it if that happens.
I experimented with E85 in the Saturn last year. This is a car that runs -10 to 
-15 fuel trim on E10. 
When I got up around 60% ethanol, assuming the E85 was really 85% (it probably 
wasn't) it started setting a check engine light from long term fuel trim 
getting over +25. (help, I keep adding fuel and the O2 sensor still claims it's 
lean). Noticed a little more power with the E50, but after the experiment was 
over I'm not sure it runs as well as it did before. Or maybe I got used to it 
running stronger the month it was a fuelie. 

That guy on Youtube, I think it's Practical Farmer, who does the silly oil 
tests?
He did a silly gasoline test once. The part I didn't find silly was when he 
soaked some sooty head bolts from an old Briggs&Stratton in V+ Shell and it 
cleaned them up pretty well. Nice demonstration of what it's supposed to do to 
EGR sooted intake valves over time. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Curley McLain wrote:
> Looks like Burl recorded it a month before Vaughn, but Burl only made it 
> as high as #21. Nothing mentioned about a throat injury that I can find.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(Ghost)_Riders_in_the_Sky:_A_Cowboy_Legend
> 
> I like Marty Robbins' "The legend of El Roho"  best!
.
G: I found a pretty detailed bio on Monroe and saw nothing about a throat 
injury.
http://www.vaughnmonroesociety.org/biography.htm
 The only explanations I can think is my own defective memory or the 
imagination of an early publicist who was trying to make Monroe stand out from 
the crowd.

G: Roho is one of a kind; one of the best play on words ever.
https://www.vagalume.com.br/archie-campbell/the-cockfight.html

Gerry
P.S. Any singers in the Mercedes group; professional? amateur? choir? 
barbershop? popular? or other?





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Re: [MBZ] 124 monovalve variations

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

My current theory is that the bypass goes with the heated wiper washer
fluid bottle. The bypass pipe parts are noted in the EPC to go with the
heated bottle.

Does anyone have a 124 diesel with no heated wiper washer fluid bottle?
I'd like to know if your monovalve set-up includes the heater bypass.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 1:01 PM Meade Dillon  wrote:

> Well the mystery deepens.  Looking up a generic E300, instead of searching
> by VIN, a different monovalve comes up, and it is forward compatible with
> many later cars from 1995 up until 2011, including 210 E300 with OM606,
> both turbo and non-turbo.  Looking at the 124 2.5 models, 1991 used a
> different type than 1992-1993.  So perhaps there were two different
> variations of heater / monovalve set up, some with a bypass and some
> without, for my E300 and for other years.  Perhaps it was a
> climate-specific variation, or related to some other options?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 12:11 PM Max Dillon  wrote:
>
>>
>> Peter, I don't know how a bypass would help that. Maybe it encourages a
>> continuous flow through more of the hoses, keeping them warmer?
>>
>> I'm recalling that Curley's 124 2.5 also has a bypass, I need to see
>> about the cost of that monovalve new and if it could fit my car.
>>
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> Dec 22, 2019 8:57:35 AM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
>>
>> > Since diesels produce very little waste heat at idle, I would suspect
>> that there is a bypass to prevent loss of cabin heat under low load -- the
>> water can cool off enough on the way from the head to the core enough to
>> cause erratic heat.
>> >
>> > These are luxury cars, people complain of the heat isn't exactly what
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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Someone is getting a decent deal.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 22, 2019 3:50:09 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes :

> I am getting down to the wire with depleting the hoard. About the only stuff 
> left for me to deal with on my own are the two cars and some old Apple/Mac 
> computer promotional items. I have been spamming the few brave folks who over 
> the summer removed the Benz items, but nobody has spare cash at this time of 
> year. I really do not want the poor SDL to spend another winter rotting in 
> the rain, not getting taken on the road.
> 
> The other day a fellow who snagged a bunch of my Mac stuff and the Newton 
> message pad came by to pick up the Newton manual I found in a camcorder bag. 
> I figured I could do no damage by mentioning the faux police car, and he said 
> it deserved some thought. I outlined the extreme project nature of the car, 
> but that it did all the things a working car does, even has working Becker 
> radio, AC and heat, brakes rebuilt with fresh ABS pump, and transmission 
> shifts well enough to chirp the tires. For a basic A to B car, it would be 
> fine, while a poorer person saved for a real car. This guy works for Boeing. 
> Maybe he sees some slack time in his future (737 max?) and just asked to set 
> up a test drive for monday morning. Looks like I am making a K’leb price deal
> 
> maybe. For the price, getting a bunch of spare parts to make upgrades or 
> repairs along with a driver seems like a deal to me. To get rid of it.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1982 SD - Allen
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

The Boeing CEO has some spare time available now

--FT

On 12/22/19 3:49 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote:

I am getting down to the wire with depleting the hoard.  About the only stuff 
left for me to deal with on my own are the two cars and some old Apple/Mac 
computer promotional items.  I have been spamming the few brave folks who over 
the summer removed the Benz items, but nobody has spare cash at this time of 
year.  I really do not want the poor SDL to spend another winter rotting in the 
rain, not getting taken on the road.

The other day a fellow who snagged a bunch of my Mac stuff and the Newton 
message pad came by to pick up the Newton manual I found in a camcorder bag.  I 
figured I could do no damage by mentioning the faux police car, and he said it 
deserved some thought.  I outlined the extreme project nature of the car, but 
that it did all the things a working car does, even has working Becker radio, 
AC and heat, brakes rebuilt with fresh ABS pump, and transmission shifts well 
enough to chirp the tires.   For a basic A to B car, it would be fine, while a 
poorer person saved for a real car.  This guy works for Boeing.  Maybe he sees 
some slack time in his future (737 max?) and just asked to set up a test drive 
for monday morning.  Looks like I am making a K’leb price deal

maybe.  For the price, getting a bunch of spare parts to make upgrades or 
repairs along with a driver seems like a deal to me.  To get rid of it.

clay


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1982 SD - Allen
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers









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[MBZ] Could be the ultimate poseurmobile

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I wonder if I could get financing arranged today

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2649253488447181/

2017 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class Base
Dealership· 12 hours ago 
· 


$115,454
Seller's Description

2017 Mercedes-Benz G-Class G 63 AMGA 4MATICA Certified. Mercedes-Benz 
Certified Pre-Owned Details: * Vehicle History * Warranty Deductible: $0 
* Transferable Warranty * Roadside Assistance * 165 Point Inspection * 
Includes Trip Interruption Reimbursement and 7 days/500 miles Exchange 
Privilege * Limited Warranty: 12 Month/Unlimited Mile beginning after 
new car warranty expires or from certified purchase date BLIND SPOT, 
BLUETOOTH, HEATED SEATS, HEATED/AC SEATS, NAVIGATION, SUN ROOF/MOON 
ROOF, Back up Camera, Leather, AMG Carbon Fiber Trim, 2-Tone Nappa 
Leather Upholstery, 2-Toned designo Nappa Leather Upholstery, 2-Toned 
Steering Wheel, AMG Front Sport Seats, Carbon Fiber Exterior Strips, 
designo Black DINAMICA Headliner, designo Exclusive Leather Package, 
designo manufaktur Mojave Package. CARFAX One-Owner. Clean CARFAX. 
Awards: * ALG Residual Value Awards Stop by or call our dealership at 
[hidden information] for more information on this vehicle! Baker Motor 
Company - Charleston, SC



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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Dan inquires:

>I’ve never looked, but i wonder if there is an equivalent for Top Tier fuel in 
>diesel?

Dead Sam's and Costco. 

https://www.toptiergas.com/diesel-licensed-brands/

Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Could be the ultimate poseurmobile

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You could used your entire fleet of rescue vehicles as a down payment.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:12 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I wonder if I could get financing arranged today
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2649253488447181/
>
> 2017 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG G-Class Base
> Dealership· 12 hours ago
> <
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2649253488447181/?ref=product_details>·
>
>
> $115,454
> Seller's Description
>
> 2017 Mercedes-Benz G-Class G 63 AMGA 4MATICA Certified. Mercedes-Benz
> Certified Pre-Owned Details: * Vehicle History * Warranty Deductible: $0
> * Transferable Warranty * Roadside Assistance * 165 Point Inspection *
> Includes Trip Interruption Reimbursement and 7 days/500 miles Exchange
> Privilege * Limited Warranty: 12 Month/Unlimited Mile beginning after
> new car warranty expires or from certified purchase date BLIND SPOT,
> BLUETOOTH, HEATED SEATS, HEATED/AC SEATS, NAVIGATION, SUN ROOF/MOON
> ROOF, Back up Camera, Leather, AMG Carbon Fiber Trim, 2-Tone Nappa
> Leather Upholstery, 2-Toned designo Nappa Leather Upholstery, 2-Toned
> Steering Wheel, AMG Front Sport Seats, Carbon Fiber Exterior Strips,
> designo Black DINAMICA Headliner, designo Exclusive Leather Package,
> designo manufaktur Mojave Package. CARFAX One-Owner. Clean CARFAX.
> Awards: * ALG Residual Value Awards Stop by or call our dealership at
> [hidden information] for more information on this vehicle! Baker Motor
> Company - Charleston, SC
>
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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

BUT he is in Chicago.



On 23/12/2019 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

The Boeing CEO has some spare time available now

--FT

On 12/22/19 3:49 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote:
I am getting down to the wire with depleting the hoard.  About the 
only stuff left for me to deal with on my own are the two cars and 
some old Apple/Mac computer promotional items.  I have been spamming 
the few brave folks who over the summer removed the Benz items, but 
nobody has spare cash at this time of year.  I really do not want the 
poor SDL to spend another winter rotting in the rain, not getting 
taken on the road.


The other day a fellow who snagged a bunch of my Mac stuff and the 
Newton message pad came by to pick up the Newton manual I found in a 
camcorder bag.  I figured I could do no damage by mentioning the faux 
police car, and he said it deserved some thought.  I outlined the 
extreme project nature of the car, but that it did all the things a 
working car does, even has working Becker radio, AC and heat, brakes 
rebuilt with fresh ABS pump, and transmission shifts well enough to 
chirp the tires.   For a basic A to B car, it would be fine, while a 
poorer person saved for a real car.  This guy works for Boeing.  
Maybe he sees some slack time in his future (737 max?) and just asked 
to set up a test drive for monday morning.  Looks like I am making a 
K’leb price deal


maybe.  For the price, getting a bunch of spare parts to make 
upgrades or repairs along with a driver seems like a deal to me.  To 
get rid of it.


clay


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1982 SD - Allen
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers









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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

When he flies out one way on the corporate jet and meets with HR he can 
pick it up and drive back


--FT

On 12/23/19 11:35 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

BUT he is in Chicago.



On 23/12/2019 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

The Boeing CEO has some spare time available now

--FT

On 12/22/19 3:49 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote:
I am getting down to the wire with depleting the hoard.  About the 
only stuff left for me to deal with on my own are the two cars and 
some old Apple/Mac computer promotional items.  I have been spamming 
the few brave folks who over the summer removed the Benz items, but 
nobody has spare cash at this time of year.  I really do not want 
the poor SDL to spend another winter rotting in the rain, not 
getting taken on the road.


The other day a fellow who snagged a bunch of my Mac stuff and the 
Newton message pad came by to pick up the Newton manual I found in a 
camcorder bag.  I figured I could do no damage by mentioning the 
faux police car, and he said it deserved some thought.  I outlined 
the extreme project nature of the car, but that it did all the 
things a working car does, even has working Becker radio, AC and 
heat, brakes rebuilt with fresh ABS pump, and transmission shifts 
well enough to chirp the tires.   For a basic A to B car, it would 
be fine, while a poorer person saved for a real car.  This guy works 
for Boeing.  Maybe he sees some slack time in his future (737 max?) 
and just asked to set up a test drive for monday morning.  Looks 
like I am making a K’leb price deal


maybe.  For the price, getting a bunch of spare parts to make 
upgrades or repairs along with a driver seems like a deal to me.  To 
get rid of it.


clay


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1982 SD - Allen
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers









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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I always assumed Boeing HQ was in Seattle.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:48 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When he flies out one way on the corporate jet and meets with HR he can
> pick it up and drive back
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/23/19 11:35 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> > BUT he is in Chicago.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23/12/2019 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The Boeing CEO has some spare time available now
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >> On 12/22/19 3:49 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> I am getting down to the wire with depleting the hoard.  About the
> >>> only stuff left for me to deal with on my own are the two cars and
> >>> some old Apple/Mac computer promotional items.  I have been spamming
> >>> the few brave folks who over the summer removed the Benz items, but
> >>> nobody has spare cash at this time of year.  I really do not want
> >>> the poor SDL to spend another winter rotting in the rain, not
> >>> getting taken on the road.
> >>>
> >>> The other day a fellow who snagged a bunch of my Mac stuff and the
> >>> Newton message pad came by to pick up the Newton manual I found in a
> >>> camcorder bag.  I figured I could do no damage by mentioning the
> >>> faux police car, and he said it deserved some thought.  I outlined
> >>> the extreme project nature of the car, but that it did all the
> >>> things a working car does, even has working Becker radio, AC and
> >>> heat, brakes rebuilt with fresh ABS pump, and transmission shifts
> >>> well enough to chirp the tires.   For a basic A to B car, it would
> >>> be fine, while a poorer person saved for a real car.  This guy works
> >>> for Boeing.  Maybe he sees some slack time in his future (737 max?)
> >>> and just asked to set up a test drive for monday morning.  Looks
> >>> like I am making a K’leb price deal
> >>>
> >>> maybe.  For the price, getting a bunch of spare parts to make
> >>> upgrades or repairs along with a driver seems like a deal to me.  To
> >>> get rid of it.
> >>>
> >>> clay
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> >>> 1986 SDL - Polei
> >>>
> >>> retired models-
> >>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> >>> 1982 SD - Allen
> >>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> >>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> >>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> >>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I think it used to be there when they concentrated on building good 
aircraft, but then they switched over to chasing the almighty dollar and 
the executives did not see any reason why they needed to be anywhere 
close to the people that produce the product.



On 23/12/2019 10:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I always assumed Boeing HQ was in Seattle.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:48 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


When he flies out one way on the corporate jet and meets with HR he can
pick it up and drive back

--FT

On 12/23/19 11:35 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

BUT he is in Chicago.



On 23/12/2019 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

The Boeing CEO has some spare time available now

--FT

On 12/22/19 3:49 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote:

I am getting down to the wire with depleting the hoard.  About the
only stuff left for me to deal with on my own are the two cars and
some old Apple/Mac computer promotional items.  I have been spamming
the few brave folks who over the summer removed the Benz items, but
nobody has spare cash at this time of year.  I really do not want
the poor SDL to spend another winter rotting in the rain, not
getting taken on the road.

The other day a fellow who snagged a bunch of my Mac stuff and the
Newton message pad came by to pick up the Newton manual I found in a
camcorder bag.  I figured I could do no damage by mentioning the
faux police car, and he said it deserved some thought.  I outlined
the extreme project nature of the car, but that it did all the
things a working car does, even has working Becker radio, AC and
heat, brakes rebuilt with fresh ABS pump, and transmission shifts
well enough to chirp the tires.   For a basic A to B car, it would
be fine, while a poorer person saved for a real car.  This guy works
for Boeing.  Maybe he sees some slack time in his future (737 max?)
and just asked to set up a test drive for monday morning.  Looks
like I am making a K’leb price deal

maybe.  For the price, getting a bunch of spare parts to make
upgrades or repairs along with a driver seems like a deal to me.  To
get rid of it.

clay


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei




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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

They moved it to Chicago a coupla years ago for reasons not clear

--FT

On 12/23/19 11:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I always assumed Boeing HQ was in Seattle.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:48 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


When he flies out one way on the corporate jet and meets with HR
he can
pick it up and drive back

--FT

On 12/23/19 11:35 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> BUT he is in Chicago.
>
>
>
> On 23/12/2019 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> The Boeing CEO has some spare time available now
>>
>> --FT
>>
>> On 12/22/19 3:49 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I am getting down to the wire with depleting the hoard.  About
the
>>> only stuff left for me to deal with on my own are the two cars
and
>>> some old Apple/Mac computer promotional items.  I have been
spamming
>>> the few brave folks who over the summer removed the Benz
items, but
>>> nobody has spare cash at this time of year.  I really do not want
>>> the poor SDL to spend another winter rotting in the rain, not
>>> getting taken on the road.
>>>
>>> The other day a fellow who snagged a bunch of my Mac stuff and
the
>>> Newton message pad came by to pick up the Newton manual I
found in a
>>> camcorder bag.  I figured I could do no damage by mentioning the
>>> faux police car, and he said it deserved some thought.  I
outlined
>>> the extreme project nature of the car, but that it did all the
>>> things a working car does, even has working Becker radio, AC and
>>> heat, brakes rebuilt with fresh ABS pump, and transmission shifts
>>> well enough to chirp the tires.   For a basic A to B car, it
would
>>> be fine, while a poorer person saved for a real car.  This guy
works
>>> for Boeing.  Maybe he sees some slack time in his future (737
max?)
>>> and just asked to set up a test drive for monday morning.  Looks
>>> like I am making a K’leb price deal
>>>
>>> maybe.  For the price, getting a bunch of spare parts to make
>>> upgrades or repairs along with a driver seems like a deal to
me.  To
>>> get rid of it.
>>>
>>> clay
>>>
>>>
>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>>>
>>> retired models-
>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
>>> 1982 SD - Allen
>>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes I have seen supposedly top tier diesel. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2019, at 7:58 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I use Costco fuel in my cars exclusively, and have never had a problem. It’s 
> Top Tier stuff, so tossing an occasional bottle of Techron in them is a waste 
> of money.
> 
> I’ve never looked, but i wonder if there is an equivalent for Top Tier fuel 
> in diesel? I tell the eldest boy to always fuel up at our local Shell. The 
> price is competitive and it’s unlikely they would have crappy fuel. It’s a 
> busy place and turns fuel over pretty often as well.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2019, at 8:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On December 22, 2019 at 10:41 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> the only one I'd use is techron, but if you follow Mitch's advice, I 
>>> don't think you'd need any.   Running *fresh* e10 to e85 will keep things 
>>> clean.
>> 
>> Letting a car sit until the E10 in it smells like crap will clog things up 
>> in a hurry. 
>> Drain that crap out and run 20 gallons of 93 octane Shell or a bottle of 
>> Techron through it if that happens.
>> I experimented with E85 in the Saturn last year. This is a car that runs -10 
>> to -15 fuel trim on E10. 
>> When I got up around 60% ethanol, assuming the E85 was really 85% (it 
>> probably wasn't) it started setting a check engine light from long term fuel 
>> trim getting over +25. (help, I keep adding fuel and the O2 sensor still 
>> claims it's lean). Noticed a little more power with the E50, but after the 
>> experiment was over I'm not sure it runs as well as it did before. Or maybe 
>> I got used to it running stronger the month it was a fuelie. 
>> 
>> That guy on Youtube, I think it's Practical Farmer, who does the silly oil 
>> tests?
>> He did a silly gasoline test once. The part I didn't find silly was when he 
>> soaked some sooty head bolts from an old Briggs&Stratton in V+ Shell and it 
>> cleaned them up pretty well. Nice demonstration of what it's supposed to do 
>> to EGR sooted intake valves over time. 
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Axle boot replacement

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I have the tool, but no boots. 

Curley McLain via Mercedes  writes:

> Does anyone have the tool to put on new boots on axles?   Or the link to 
> that company that sells one and blue super expandable boots?   I have 2 
> good axles off the 300D and 2 good axles on this car that need boots. 
> Also have some 123 axles that need boots.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I sang in choirs when I was in college. I was never any good, but could sing 
2nd. bass in 8 part, so in demand anyway.

Greg

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Curley McLain wrote:
> Looks like Burl recorded it a month before Vaughn, but Burl only made it 
> as high as #21. Nothing mentioned about a throat injury that I can find.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(Ghost)_Riders_in_the_Sky:_A_Cowboy_Legend
> 
> I like Marty Robbins' "The legend of El Roho"  best!
.
G: I found a pretty detailed bio on Monroe and saw nothing about a throat 
injury.
http://www.vaughnmonroesociety.org/biography.htm
 The only explanations I can think is my own defective memory or the 
imagination of an early publicist who was trying to make Monroe stand out from 
the crowd.

G: Roho is one of a kind; one of the best play on words ever.
https://www.vagalume.com.br/archie-campbell/the-cockfight.html

Gerry
P.S. Any singers in the Mercedes group; professional? amateur? choir? 
barbershop? popular? or other?





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Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I sang boy soprano until I was 12 at the opera.  My voice changed so I now
have a very narrow range in the baritone spectrum.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 1:00 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I sang in choirs when I was in college. I was never any good, but could
> sing 2nd. bass in 8 part, so in demand anyway.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> archer75--- via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 7:18 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: arche...@embarqmail.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack
>
>
> Curley McLain wrote:
> > Looks like Burl recorded it a month before Vaughn, but Burl only made it
> > as high as #21. Nothing mentioned about a throat injury that I can find.
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(Ghost)_Riders_in_the_Sky:_A_Cowboy_Legend
> >
> > I like Marty Robbins' "The legend of El Roho"  best!
> .
> G: I found a pretty detailed bio on Monroe and saw nothing about a throat
> injury.
> http://www.vaughnmonroesociety.org/biography.htm
>  The only explanations I can think is my own defective memory or the
> imagination of an early publicist who was trying to make Monroe stand out
> from the crowd.
>
> G: Roho is one of a kind; one of the best play on words ever.
> https://www.vagalume.com.br/archie-campbell/the-cockfight.html
>
> Gerry
> P.S. Any singers in the Mercedes group; professional? amateur? choir?
> barbershop? popular? or other?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I am sure he can find another good company to ruin.

But they are getting more scarce.   IH, Amana, Maytag, GE, Engineering 
Animation, and on and on.  Now Boeing.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 23, 2019 at 11:13 AM
I think it used to be there when they concentrated on building good 
aircraft, but then they switched over to chasing the almighty dollar 
and the executives did not see any reason why they needed to be 
anywhere close to the people that produce the product.






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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Hopefully in China.


On 23/12/2019 12:49 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

I am sure he can find another good company to ruin.

But they are getting more scarce.   IH, Amana, Maytag, GE, Engineering 
Animation, and on and on.  Now Boeing.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 23, 2019 at 11:13 AM
I think it used to be there when they concentrated on building good 
aircraft, but then they switched over to chasing the almighty dollar 
and the executives did not see any reason why they needed to be 
anywhere close to the people that produce the product.






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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

YES, it was suggested long ago that we need to export the mBA geniuses 
to china.



Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
December 23, 2019 at 1:37 PM
Hopefully in China.




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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Probably go to Airbus or another defense contractor.

-D


> On Dec 23, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hopefully in China.
> 
> 
> On 23/12/2019 12:49 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> I am sure he can find another good company to ruin.
>> 
>> But they are getting more scarce.   IH, Amana, Maytag, GE, Engineering 
>> Animation, and on and on.  Now Boeing.
>>> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>> December 23, 2019 at 11:13 AM
>>> I think it used to be there when they concentrated on building good 
>>> aircraft, but then they switched over to chasing the almighty dollar and 
>>> the executives did not see any reason why they needed to be anywhere close 
>>> to the people that produce the product.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> I always assumed Boeing HQ was in Seattle.

Boeing moved their HQ to Chiraq after the merger with McDonnell-
Douglas. The financial people (many MD holdovers) thought it was more
important to be in a business center like Chicago and closer to the East
Coast than close to the engineers and manufacturing in Washington and
California.

We can see how well that worked out.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Same song as Engineering Animation.  They were hot and growing fast.  
Shareholders forced them to fire the founders and hire "professional" 
execs.  Execs "Had to" move the oriface to NYC.  "Professionals" sacked 
the treasury.   EA was bankrupt within a couple years.   Common MBA song.



Allan Streib via Mercedes 
December 23, 2019 at 2:08 PM

Boeing moved their HQ to Chiraq after the merger with McDonnell-
Douglas. The financial people (many MD holdovers) thought it was more
important to be in a business center like Chicago and closer to the East
Coast than close to the engineers and manufacturing in Washington and
California.

We can see how well that worked out.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

IIRC, financiers forced Preston Tucker to hire an established automaker 
executive (who was from GM and did not want another automaker to exist) to 
order him around. We all know what happened to Tucker. He was prosecuted for 
fraud for raising money for a car company when he 'never intended to make any 
cars'. "Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, now that the trial is over, would you 
like to go for a ride in some of the cars I never intended to build?".
Mitch. 

> On December 23, 2019 at 3:23 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Same song as Engineering Animation.  They were hot and growing fast.  
> Shareholders forced them to fire the founders and hire "professional" 
> execs.  Execs "Had to" move the oriface to NYC.  "Professionals" sacked 
> the treasury.   EA was bankrupt within a couple years.   Common MBA song.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Shower count?
Fred.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 1:28 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I sang boy soprano until I was 12 at the opera.  My voice changed so I now
> have a very narrow range in the baritone spectrum.
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 1:00 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I sang in choirs when I was in college. I was never any good, but could
> > sing 2nd. bass in 8 part, so in demand anyway.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > archer75--- via Mercedes
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 7:18 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Cc: arche...@embarqmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Chicken Attack
> >
> >
> > Curley McLain wrote:
> > > Looks like Burl recorded it a month before Vaughn, but Burl only made
> it
> > > as high as #21. Nothing mentioned about a throat injury that I can
> find.
> > >
> > >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(Ghost)_Riders_in_the_Sky:_A_Cowboy_Legend
> > >
> > > I like Marty Robbins' "The legend of El Roho"  best!
> > .
> > G: I found a pretty detailed bio on Monroe and saw nothing about a throat
> > injury.
> > http://www.vaughnmonroesociety.org/biography.htm
> >  The only explanations I can think is my own defective memory or the
> > imagination of an early publicist who was trying to make Monroe stand out
> > from the crowd.
> >
> > G: Roho is one of a kind; one of the best play on words ever.
> > https://www.vagalume.com.br/archie-campbell/the-cockfight.html
> >
> > Gerry
> > P.S. Any singers in the Mercedes group; professional? amateur? choir?
> > barbershop? popular? or other?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

I believe you're talking about the 91 30 you got from me?  If so, I 
bought it in Richmond and my research found it had lived its life in Ma 
before coming to Va, probably via an auction.


Larry

On 12/20/2019 2:24 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:



LR subframe mount appears to be welded to the body by corrosion of 
AL-FE.   Soaking it now.   Tried beating with no effect.   tried bar, 
but that bends the frame tube.   Flame wrench is not an option because 
I don't have one.   Besides, burning rubber stinks and leaves carbon 
black on everything.


Subrame mount has aluminum center for the bolt, and the body stud is 
steel.


Any earlier MB would have rotted away.   This one just has a few 
cancer spots, but the nuts on the brake lines and hoses are corroded 
to 2-3 mm less OD than original.    Looks now like I should probably 
replace all or part of the brake line to the ABS unit too.


My Dallas 124 is much nicer to work on.  even after 10 years or so in 
IA.  No rust.


Max, if your subframe is not rusty, I may take you up on that

The other 124 I got out of VA 15 yrs ago or so was not rusty. (300TE)

Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
December 20, 2019 at 12:44 PM
Diff is only connected to subframe. I think you've hit all the right
points.

I've got a spare subframe (no diff or axles) you can have if you want to
drag it away from SC.

-
Max
Charleston SC



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[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Don't forget the new hoses in the trunk ;-)

On 12/20/2019 1:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Karl or others:

Since Karl has recently done this, I think he has most of the answers.

 I am fixin ta take out the rear subframe of the 124 2.5.   As I 
recall, I have to take out the exhaust, driveshaft rear flex, sway bar 
links, shocks, brake calipers, ABS Sensor in Diff., parking brake 
cables, and of course, the 4 main subframe bolts.  Am I missing anything?


As I recall, the diff has 2 big bolts at the back (10mm allen I think) 
and 2 smaller bolts at the front.   I think these are all into the 
subframe.  Is that right?


What is the best way to lower the unit?   I hope I can balance it on 
the floor jack while I roll it out from under.


More important, what is the best way to raise the subframe  back up 
into position?  Will I need stacks of blocks or an extra person to 
help balance it on the jack as it goes up?


Need to replace the rear brake lines, brake hoses, possibly calipers, 
Rt wheel bearing, parking brake cables,  weld up some rusted holes in 
the body, patch others, derust, clean and paint subframe, and probably 
replace the links.   May need to replace the park brake shoes while 
there.   (YUK)


It has no antislip, so single brake line to the rear, and a T.   I 
only need to replace the lines from the T out, and the hoses.



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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://nypost.com/2019/12/22/over-a-dozen-shot-at-chicago-memorial-for-victim-of-gun-violence/

--FT

On 12/23/19 3:08 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:


I always assumed Boeing HQ was in Seattle.

Boeing moved their HQ to Chiraq after the merger with McDonnell-
Douglas. The financial people (many MD holdovers) thought it was more
important to be in a business center like Chicago and closer to the East
Coast than close to the engineers and manufacturing in Washington and
California.

We can see how well that worked out.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

That is exactly correct.  It comes from every WSM I have owned.  They 
want the rubber to be in the driving position - I used to know the 
complete reasoning but it's lost in the Way Back Machine.


Larry

On 10/28/2019 2:00 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 07:30:19 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:


Hmmm, I thought the torque of the control arm nuts and bolts was
supposed to be done with the car resting on all four wheels, in "ready
to drive" condition (nothing loaded but full fuel tank and all fluids
topped up, spare tire and tools in place).

Yes, that is what I have heard, too.


Craig

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

THat probably explains the rustiness.  Bahstun salt.


Larry Turner via Mercedes 
December 23, 2019 at 3:34 PM
I believe you're talking about the 91 30 you got from me?  If so, I 
bought it in Richmond and my research found it had lived its life in 
Ma before coming to Va, probably via an auction.


Larry



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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

it is so that in normal resting position, there is no torque on the 
rubber.  Normal running will then twist the rubber one way or the 
other.   If you tighten them down in full down position, the rubber is 
always torqued at rest, and overtorqued at full compression.   It is 
only at rest when you are doing a bullitt and have the car flying 
through the air.



Larry Turner via Mercedes 
December 23, 2019 at 3:38 PM
That is exactly correct.  It comes from every WSM I have owned.  They 
want the rubber to be in the driving position - I used to know the 
complete reasoning but it's lost in the Way Back Machine.


Larry



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[MBZ] Used Car Search Engine

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

trovit.com

It allows specific searches and delivers emails regularly(!!) to your 
mail box.  After I had to give up on our 91 300D I hoped I could find 
another one and plugged in the numbers.  I was getting emails often.  
Too often it turned off and I had to turn it off.  But they did more 
than just the 'normal' sales outlets IMO.


YMMV,
Larry
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Re: [MBZ] Axle boot replacement

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I saw that video too 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 21, 2019, at 12:57 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

>> Curley wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone have the tool to put on new boots on axles?   Or the
>> link to that company that sells one and blue super expandable
>> boots?   I have 2 good axles off the 300D and 2 good axles on
>> this car that need boots. Also have some 123 axles that need
>> boots.
> 
> I saw a video once of a fellow who used a long funnel and just
> pushed the boot on.
> 
> I could use some boots too...
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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The rubber acts as a spring, if you clamp the links while they are hanging down 
the rear will sit high with the wheels "tucked in".  Drives very poorly.  Jack 
the wheel carrier to normal ride height before tightening.
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Re: [MBZ] Used Car Search Engine

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://www.autotempest.com/ too. It aggregates across a bunch of sites

--FT

On 12/23/19 5:01 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:

trovit.com

It allows specific searches and delivers emails regularly(!!) to your 
mail box.  After I had to give up on our 91 300D I hoped I could find 
another one and plugged in the numbers.  I was getting emails often.  
Too often it turned off and I had to turn it off. But they did more 
than just the 'normal' sales outlets IMO.


YMMV,
Larry
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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

My indy was big on having me run Techron through the gassers to clean up the 
injectors.  Diesels were another story, but I think on the newer ones he was 
promoting some sort of injector cleaners.

I like Marvel Mystery oil in the tank with each fuel up.  May be a waste of 
cash, but the M117 really likes it.  Djet hates the oxygenated fuels, so she 
only gets ethanol free around town.  On the road, I have to fuel up at normal 
pumps and the car runs like crap until I fill with good fuel.

clay

> On Dec 22, 2019, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have never run any sort of additive in diesels unless there was a need for 
> gel prevention or something along those lines.  With gassers such as the 
> M112, is there every a need to run some sort of cleaner thru them 
> periodically?  If so, what cleaner and how often?
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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Buyer showed up at 0900 with a buddy.  I gave them the keys, showed him how to 
glow and where the parking brake was, then set them on their test drive.  It 
took them about 20 minutes to thrash the car enough to convince him to hand 
over $700.  Filled out the title transfer and learned that the Soviet Socialist 
State of Washington put into place a fee upon the seller of car for selling a 
car.  $14 for what used to be free.  Then they will charge the new owner $250 
to transfer title and register the car.  

What a scam.  

I am down to driving the SL for Xmas dinner visit to family.  60 mile round 
trip.  I will fill her with unadulterated petrol, put something in for her 
winter storage to keep the fuel fresh and put her to bed until I return this 
spring to put her on the block.

She is a Kaleb Car.  Silber Grun on green leather, with Dunkle Grun top and 
hubcaps.  All factory.  

clay

> On Dec 23, 2019, at 7:48 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Someone is getting a decent deal.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Dec 22, 2019 3:50:09 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes :


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Re: [MBZ] Gasser fuel injection cleaner

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Probably BG44. That’s quite popular around the indy circuit. Wicked stuff.

-D


> On Dec 23, 2019, at 8:13 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My indy was big on having me run Techron through the gassers to clean up the 
> injectors.  Diesels were another story, but I think on the newer ones he was 
> promoting some sort of injector cleaners.
> 
> I like Marvel Mystery oil in the tank with each fuel up.  May be a waste of 
> cash, but the M117 really likes it.  Djet hates the oxygenated fuels, so she 
> only gets ethanol free around town.  On the road, I have to fuel up at normal 
> pumps and the car runs like crap until I fill with good fuel.
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2019, at 6:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have never run any sort of additive in diesels unless there was a need for 
>> gel prevention or something along those lines.  With gassers such as the 
>> M112, is there every a need to run some sort of cleaner thru them 
>> periodically?  If so, what cleaner and how often?
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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

The move was seen locally as a middle finger to the union.  I seem to recall is 
following on a prolonged labor action that shut things down for a while.  May 
have been coincidental to opening the SC plant that has no unions.  It did open 
up a bunch of very large and expensive residential real estate, which impacted 
the top of the market when the executives moved to ChiTown

clay 



> On Dec 23, 2019, at 9:13 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think it used to be there when they concentrated on building good aircraft, 
> but then they switched over to chasing the almighty dollar and the executives 
> did not see any reason why they needed to be anywhere close to the people 
> that produce the product.
> 
> 
> On 23/12/2019 10:55 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> I always assumed Boeing HQ was in Seattle.
>> 
>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:48 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> When he flies out one way on the corporate jet and meets with HR he can
>>> pick it up and drive back
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
>>> On 12/23/19 11:35 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
 BUT he is in Chicago.
 
 
 
 On 23/12/2019 9:56 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> The Boeing CEO has some spare time available now
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 12/22/19 3:49 PM, Clay Monroe via Mercedes wrote:
>> I am getting down to the wire with depleting the hoard.  About the
>> only stuff left for me to deal with on my own are the two cars and
>> some old Apple/Mac computer promotional items.  I have been spamming
>> the few brave folks who over the summer removed the Benz items, but
>> nobody has spare cash at this time of year.  I really do not want
>> the poor SDL to spend another winter rotting in the rain, not
>> getting taken on the road.
>> 
>> The other day a fellow who snagged a bunch of my Mac stuff and the
>> Newton message pad came by to pick up the Newton manual I found in a
>> camcorder bag.  I figured I could do no damage by mentioning the
>> faux police car, and he said it deserved some thought.  I outlined
>> the extreme project nature of the car, but that it did all the
>> things a working car does, even has working Becker radio, AC and
>> heat, brakes rebuilt with fresh ABS pump, and transmission shifts
>> well enough to chirp the tires.   For a basic A to B car, it would
>> be fine, while a poorer person saved for a real car.  This guy works
>> for Boeing.  Maybe he sees some slack time in his future (737 max?)
>> and just asked to set up a test drive for monday morning.  Looks
>> like I am making a K’leb price deal
>> 
>> maybe.  For the price, getting a bunch of spare parts to make
>> upgrades or repairs along with a driver seems like a deal to me.  To
>> get rid of it.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1986 SDL - Polei
>> 
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[MBZ] Seems like a crack price to me but maybe not with the crack prices people are paying these days

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Mercedes W123 X 3

https://columbiamo.craigslist.org/pts/d/wooldridge-mercedes-w123-3/7043118028.html


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Re: [MBZ] Seems like a crack price to me but maybe not with the crack prices people are paying these days

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Well isn't the wagon sort of rare?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 9:07 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Mercedes W123 X 3
>
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> https://columbiamo.craigslist.org/pts/d/wooldridge-mercedes-w123-3/7043118028.html
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Re: [MBZ] 124 monovalve variations

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Monovalve is on the right fender by the battery, it's on the return side of the 
heater core.



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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As I recall, China has a serious (and irreversible) way of dealing with 
corporate execs that get caught screwing up.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 2:45 PM
> To: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?
> 
> YES, it was suggested long ago that we need to export the mBA geniuses to
> china.
> 
> > Randy Bennell via Mercedes  December
> 23,
> > 2019 at 1:37 PM Hopefully in China.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Goodbye Polei?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 23, 2019 at 8:31 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The move was seen locally as a middle finger to the union.  I seem to recall 
> is following on a prolonged labor action that shut things down for a while.  
> May have been coincidental to opening the SC plant that has no unions.  It 
> did open up a bunch of very large and expensive residential real estate, 
> which impacted the top of the market when the executives moved to ChiTown

My nephew in law took an executive job with Amgen in February, got laid off on 
Halloween or the day before. 
They bought a 4bdr house in W Greenwich RI in April. You know what it's like to 
sell an executive level home in western RI when the only major employer nearby 
just laid off a bunch of executives? Pfizer was the only one willing to offer 
$100k of capital loss protection as part of their new hire relocation service, 
so his next job was with Pfizer. Then he got his W2, $100k more taxable wages 
than he expected...

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] w124 rear springs

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

On sls cars the sls valve adjust does the height.

I just made the axle shafts about level on the bench and tightened
everything down. It is hard enough to get it all tight on the bench; like
10 fasteners of varying sizes per side. Complete pain. It is about right
once the sls is adjusted to replicate the position in situ.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019, 2:51 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
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> The rubber acts as a spring, if you clamp the links while they are hanging
> down the rear will sit high with the wheels "tucked in".  Drives very
> poorly.  Jack the wheel carrier to normal ride height before tightening.
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Re: [MBZ] Axle boot replacement

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

the the boots and funnel are available on fleabay and mean wimmin.   
Since I have 12 to do right off the start, I think the expander is worth 
the price.



Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
December 23, 2019 at 4:41 PM
I saw that video too



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[MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Craig via Mercedes]

I have had different brands of blue jeans with various
lengths of usable life and comfort of fit.

Have any of you found a particular brand to wear longer
than others? Fit better than others?

How about places to buy them? Are the ones sold at Wally World worse
quality than those sold at other places? How about Tractor Supply?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I've had very good fit and wear from the LL Bean jeans, but I bought them
before the current generation cut quality to increase profits. I don't know
that they are any good anymore, but then again, since these are still going
strong after ten or more years, I don't really know.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 10:45 PM Craig via Mercedes 
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> I have had different brands of blue jeans with various
> lengths of usable life and comfort of fit.
>
> Have any of you found a particular brand to wear longer
> than others? Fit better than others?
>
> How about places to buy them? Are the ones sold at Wally World worse
> quality than those sold at other places? How about Tractor Supply?
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: We talked about socks, how about blue jeans?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Real Merkuns wear Blue Bell brands:  Wrangler, Rustler etc. or bib 
overalls.  (or carrhart if you want to flash you used to have cash)
I wear wranglers.   They have "outlet" stores all over.  Or you can buy 
the cheap ones without the W on the back pockets at places like wallyland.
I figure I get about 1 year out of a $17 pair.   When I was in HS, 
Wrangler supported the rodeo circuit, and Billy Minnick had his 
signature on Wrangler cowboy cut and boot cut.  They also fit well.


Real men wear wranglers, (or carrhart)   Pencil neck geeks and q ueers 
in NY and SF wear le vis


For Bibs, I've been getting Key, because that is the only brand I can 
find.  About $34, and they also last about 1 year of everyday wear.  THe 
new ones are Sunday Bibs, the next newest are Saturday Bibs.  Then there 
are Everyday Bibs, and when patched they become undercar work bibs.


I've also had wrangler Khakis, and their tan work jeans that are sorta 
competing with carrhart.  The lightweight ones wear also about a year 
for $14-15.   I've not bought the heavy weight ones tht really compete 
with carrhart.


I will never buy anything made by Le vi, the commie lovers.   When they 
made a big deal of announcing they would not donate to the Boy Scouts, 
20 yrs ago or so, I swore off their overpriced crap.  I never bought 
their overpriced jeans anyway.   They could have quietly quit supporting 
BSA, but rather than that they attempted to inflict as much damage as 
they could to BSA.  Screw them!


I never could justify the price of carrhart, but have considered them 
from time to time.



Craig via Mercedes 
December 23, 2019 at 10:44 PM
I have had different brands of blue jeans with various
lengths of usable life and comfort of fit.

Have any of you found a particular brand to wear longer
than others? Fit better than others?

How about places to buy them? Are the ones sold at Wally World worse
quality than those sold at other places? How about Tractor Supply?


Craig

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