[MBZ] 1995 S320 - 167 k mile - $1,800

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

The. Strangest random use. Of periods that. I think I've. Ever seen.

https://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/d/cincinnati-1995-mercedes-k/7365853587.html

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Super style to enjoy a good moments!! 2003 Mercedes-Benz C-Class C 240 Sedan 4D, $6, 900

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"Two Owners" . The bank, and the Bail Bond Company... presently stored
at the police impound yard.
[sarcasm folks]  I'm sure the hood scoops and graphics add to the blue book
value...

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> A tarted up C class.  Why not?
>
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> > Dual cold air intakes provide increased performance
> >
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

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Yes, all versions.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC


Aug 14, 2021 8:19:39 PM OK Don via Mercedes :

> Does the 606 have a cat???
> I use a piece of welding rod to find TDC for each cylinder on the
> Continental O-470 - works close enough.
> 
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:36 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2021-08-14 18:43, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Good idea, and good to know that diesel fuel won't run down into the
>>> crankcase very quickly and contaminate the motor oil.
>> 
>> Good point.
>> Diesel doesn't belong in the crankcase, and motor oil doesn't belong in
>> the exhaust.
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

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It is adjusted all the way to the left with no adjustment left and 
timing is sitting at 5 atdc.


On 8/14/2021 7:32 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

Why not just trust your A/B light and make the adjustment?

Short of someone having twisted the pump around, and I can’t imagine it could 
move that far, the A/B light should be dead nuts accurate.

I think you’re making far more out of this than it needs to be.

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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

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Why not just trust your A/B light and make the adjustment?

Short of someone having twisted the pump around, and I can’t imagine it could 
move that far, the A/B light should be dead nuts accurate.

I think you’re making far more out of this than it needs to be.

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Re: [MBZ] OM617 motor mounts

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It’s a personal preference, but I prefer to do one side at a time rather than 
both. I think it’s easier to get things lined up when you do one at a time, as 
the side that’s still anchored serves as a reference point.

I loosen everything with the engine in place, then remove the fasteners on one 
side, raise the engine enough to remove the mount, put the new mount in place, 
then carefully lower the engine to get everything lined up. I’ll use a drift or 
piece of rod stock to line the holes in the chassis up with the holes in the 
mount.

Lather, rinse, repeat for the other side.

For what it’s worth, these older mounts are a real joy to do compared with 
something like a W163 (ML) where you have to get at them from the side via the 
wheel well.

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> Thanks. Oil lines are good for now. I did the transmission mount earlier, 
> along with flex couplings.
> 
> I remember the allen head bolts being a bit fiddly on the W123 when I did it.
> 
> Allan
> 
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, at 7:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
>> I was going to do a write up years ago. Tips? Hmm. Plywood or something to 
>> distribute the weight under the oil pan. Remove the shocks from the engine 
>> FIRST, so you don't forget. The shock shaft has two flats that take a seven 
>> mm open end wrench. When starting the Allen head bolts into the mounts upon 
>> completion, start them by hand, and perhaps even tighten them by hand. The 
>> mm brackets are aluminum. 6mm Allen required. Don't take the transmission 
>> mount loose if you're doing all three. Things can go cattywampus and it will 
>> be difficult to put everything right. Do both engine mounts together at the 
>> same time. If you need oil lines, now is the time.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

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Does the 606 have a cat???
I use a piece of welding rod to find TDC for each cylinder on the
Continental O-470 - works close enough.

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:36 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> On 2021-08-14 18:43, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > Good idea, and good to know that diesel fuel won't run down into the
> > crankcase very quickly and contaminate the motor oil.
>
> Good point.
> Diesel doesn't belong in the crankcase, and motor oil doesn't belong in
> the exhaust.
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Re: [MBZ] OM617 motor mounts

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Thanks. Oil lines are good for now. I did the transmission mount earlier, along 
with flex couplings.

I remember the allen head bolts being a bit fiddly on the W123 when I did it.

Allan

On Sat, Aug 14, 2021, at 7:08 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> I was going to do a write up years ago. Tips? Hmm. Plywood or something to 
> distribute the weight under the oil pan. Remove the shocks from the engine 
> FIRST, so you don't forget. The shock shaft has two flats that take a seven 
> mm open end wrench. When starting the Allen head bolts into the mounts upon 
> completion, start them by hand, and perhaps even tighten them by hand. The mm 
> brackets are aluminum. 6mm Allen required. Don't take the transmission mount 
> loose if you're doing all three. Things can go cattywampus and it will be 
> difficult to put everything right. Do both engine mounts together at the same 
> time. If you need oil lines, now is the time.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OM617 motor mounts

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My big tip:  Be sure you have the right torque values for all the
fasteners.  My '85 wagon was non-turbo, but I mistakenly used the turbo
engine procedure and the torque spec is far higher.  I twisted off a
fastener, had to order a new one from MB.  Took a few days to get it.  I
think I was able to use a hardware store bolt for the interim and keep the
car on the road.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 7:09 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was going to do a write up years ago. Tips? Hmm. Plywood or something to
> distribute the weight under the oil pan. Remove the shocks from the engine
> FIRST, so you don't forget. The shock shaft has two flats that take a seven
> mm open end wrench. When starting the Allen head bolts into the mounts upon
> completion, start them by hand, and perhaps even tighten them by hand. The
> mm brackets are aluminum. 6mm Allen required. Don't take the transmission
> mount loose if you're doing all three. Things can go cattywampus and it
> will be difficult to put everything right. Do both engine mounts together
> at the same time. If you need oil lines, now is the time.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

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On 2021-08-14 18:43, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Good idea, and good to know that diesel fuel won't run down into the
crankcase very quickly and contaminate the motor oil.


Good point.
Diesel doesn't belong in the crankcase, and motor oil doesn't belong in 
the exhaust.


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Re: [MBZ] OM617 motor mounts

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

I was going to do a write up years ago. Tips? Hmm. Plywood or something to 
distribute the weight under the oil pan. Remove the shocks from the engine 
FIRST, so you don't forget. The shock shaft has two flats that take a seven mm 
open end wrench. When starting the Allen head bolts into the mounts upon 
completion, start them by hand, and perhaps even tighten them by hand. The mm 
brackets are aluminum. 6mm Allen required. Don't take the transmission mount 
loose if you're doing all three. Things can go cattywampus and it will be 
difficult to put everything right. Do both engine mounts together at the same 
time. If you need oil lines, now is the time.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

That stretch sounds right.  If the pointer was close to TDC when you had
the drill bit shoved into the hole, that's not your problem and you need to
pull and adjust the IP.

DON'T FORGET to get a new oil seal o-ring for the IP!!!
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> I just pulled the valve cover. Apparently there is a special tool you use
> to stick in a hole at tdc. I did not have that so I just used a drill bit
> of a size that fits in the hole. It’s not exact but should be close enough
> and shows maybe 1-2 degrees of stretch at 207k miles. Looks good to me. I
> guess next I need to just pull the pump and put it back like it should be.
> Will need to order new gaskets first and really need to try to get that
> broken off bolt out of the adjuster and get that fixed properly. What
> turned into a planned hour long job will take the car down until next
> weekend. That would seem to indicate the pointer is in the right spot,
> unless it’s off as is the chain stretch
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 14, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On the peach parts forum, one guy said that he would find TDC (and be
> able
> > to reset the pointer) by filling that cylinder with motor oil through the
> > injector hole.  Take that injector apart, remove the nozzle and holder
> and
> > all the guts and use the body of the injector to plug the hole, then
> shove
> > a clear tube over the end of the injector so it stuck up above the valve
> > cover a good bit.  Fill up the injector and the tube so you can see the
> oil
> > move up and down as the piston moves, and then you can move the crank
> back
> > and forth to find the high point for the oil.  Stop there, set your
> pointer.
> >
> > Next, drain / suck out all the oil, probably end up with a real mess down
> > the exhaust manifold so you may have to figure a way to drain that oil so
> > it doesn't kill the catalytic converter. Replace the injector guts and
> put
> > that back in place.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
> >> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:19 PM Meade Dillon 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> So if the pointer got moved, but the pump didn't ever get moved, then
> most
> >> likely the chain is now stretched and the pump is late.  So if you just
> >> want to take a guess and move the pump to see if you can improve the
> smoke
> >> situation, then I'd say advance it a few degrees and see how she runs.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:17 PM Meade Dillon 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yes you need to pull the vacuum pump, and the nut on the end of the IP
> >>> shaft is backward - left-handed thread, IIRC.
> >>>
> >>> If you go that far and pull the IP, the oil seal (big o-ring) on the
> >>> injection pump may start leaking, if you don't replace it.
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Max
> >>> Charleston SC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Either that or the pump was removed at some point and when reinstalled
>  was off a tooth. Perhaps I should just pull the pump and see. Oh wait,
>  won’t I also have to pull the vacuum pump as well? Not really sure I
> want
>  to get into all that although it probably won’t take all that long
> since I
>  have it pulled apart this far.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

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I just pulled the valve cover. Apparently there is a special tool you use to 
stick in a hole at tdc. I did not have that so I just used a drill bit of a 
size that fits in the hole. It’s not exact but should be close enough and shows 
maybe 1-2 degrees of stretch at 207k miles. Looks good to me. I guess next I 
need to just pull the pump and put it back like it should be. Will need to 
order new gaskets first and really need to try to get that broken off bolt out 
of the adjuster and get that fixed properly. What turned into a planned hour 
long job will take the car down until next weekend. That would seem to indicate 
the pointer is in the right spot, unless it’s off as is the chain stretch 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On the peach parts forum, one guy said that he would find TDC (and be able
> to reset the pointer) by filling that cylinder with motor oil through the
> injector hole.  Take that injector apart, remove the nozzle and holder and
> all the guts and use the body of the injector to plug the hole, then shove
> a clear tube over the end of the injector so it stuck up above the valve
> cover a good bit.  Fill up the injector and the tube so you can see the oil
> move up and down as the piston moves, and then you can move the crank back
> and forth to find the high point for the oil.  Stop there, set your pointer.
> 
> Next, drain / suck out all the oil, probably end up with a real mess down
> the exhaust manifold so you may have to figure a way to drain that oil so
> it doesn't kill the catalytic converter. Replace the injector guts and put
> that back in place.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:19 PM Meade Dillon  wrote:
>> 
>> So if the pointer got moved, but the pump didn't ever get moved, then most
>> likely the chain is now stretched and the pump is late.  So if you just
>> want to take a guess and move the pump to see if you can improve the smoke
>> situation, then I'd say advance it a few degrees and see how she runs.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:17 PM Meade Dillon  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes you need to pull the vacuum pump, and the nut on the end of the IP
>>> shaft is backward - left-handed thread, IIRC.
>>> 
>>> If you go that far and pull the IP, the oil seal (big o-ring) on the
>>> injection pump may start leaking, if you don't replace it.
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Either that or the pump was removed at some point and when reinstalled
 was off a tooth. Perhaps I should just pull the pump and see. Oh wait,
 won’t I also have to pull the vacuum pump as well? Not really sure I want
 to get into all that although it probably won’t take all that long since I
 have it pulled apart this far.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Good idea, and good to know that diesel fuel won't run down into the
crankcase very quickly and contaminate the motor oil.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> On 2021-08-14 18:27, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > On the peach parts forum, one guy said that he would find TDC (and be
> > able
> > to reset the pointer) by filling that cylinder with motor oil through
> > the
>
> I'd use diesel fuel instead of motor oil.
> I'm sure the cat could deal with diesel more easily than motor oil.
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Re: [MBZ] OM617 motor mounts

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

If all goes well, I think they are fairly quick, maybe an hour per side.
If the bolts are rusted in place and give you hell, all bets are off.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> How long should the R job take for W116 OM617 motor mounts?
>
> It's been so long since I've done it (and it was on a W123), I don't
> remember. Seems like it should be: jack up and support the engine, unbolt
> old mounts, bolt in new mounts, done.
>
> But I vaguely remember possibly having to remove oil cooler lines on the
> left side to get access to the mount. Or maybe I just replaced those at the
> same time because they were leaking.
>
> Trying to plan out tasks for the rest of the weekend.
>
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

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On 2021-08-14 18:27, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
On the peach parts forum, one guy said that he would find TDC (and be 
able
to reset the pointer) by filling that cylinder with motor oil through 
the


I'd use diesel fuel instead of motor oil.
I'm sure the cat could deal with diesel more easily than motor oil.

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hitting the fan

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No fun!  Hope you find a way to land on your feet.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> Had a meeting yesterday. Our research center is shutting down. Not
> entirely surprising as the head of the center moved to Virginia. We will
> all have to interview for new positions.
>
> Allan
>
>
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> excited about the company and the future, bla bla bla.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > > On Jul 21, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
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> > > Just a quick reminder: COBRA doesn't apply if the company
> > > itself goes down.  BTDT.
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

All that tells me that the pump was pulled and put back wrong.  You need a
new oil seal for the IP most likely.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Either that or the pump was removed at some point and when reinstalled was
> off a tooth. Perhaps I should just pull the pump and see. Oh wait, won’t I
> also have to pull the vacuum pump as well? Not really sure I want to get
> into all that although it probably won’t take all that long since I have it
> pulled apart this far.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 14, 2021, at 5:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> >
> > I ended up managing to break off the small bolt that holds the lower
> adjuster to the block. This happened because the pump was adjusted as far
> as if would go to the left (drivers side) at this point I get both lights
> lit up and it’s at 5-6 atdc. I went ahead and pulled the manifold to get a
> better look.
> >
> > With the manifold off I wonder if I should go ahead and check the chain
> stretch. Once again I say if the chain was stretched it would be after 14
> before we got both lights on. I can only assume since the thing runs just
> fine except for the light smoke, the pointer has moved at some point and it
> probably needs new nozzles.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 14, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> >>
> >> The 99 runs fine and has plenty of power, and sounds fine but I get
> the grey/black smoke at idle and black smoke under heavy pedal. I just
> hooked up my AB light to the ip and it appears to be coming up at 5-6 atdc.
> Spec is 14, correct? I wonder why the timing is off that much, or am I
> doing something wrong? I assume that would cause the smoke I am getting?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

On the peach parts forum, one guy said that he would find TDC (and be able
to reset the pointer) by filling that cylinder with motor oil through the
injector hole.  Take that injector apart, remove the nozzle and holder and
all the guts and use the body of the injector to plug the hole, then shove
a clear tube over the end of the injector so it stuck up above the valve
cover a good bit.  Fill up the injector and the tube so you can see the oil
move up and down as the piston moves, and then you can move the crank back
and forth to find the high point for the oil.  Stop there, set your pointer.

Next, drain / suck out all the oil, probably end up with a real mess down
the exhaust manifold so you may have to figure a way to drain that oil so
it doesn't kill the catalytic converter. Replace the injector guts and put
that back in place.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:19 PM Meade Dillon  wrote:

> So if the pointer got moved, but the pump didn't ever get moved, then most
> likely the chain is now stretched and the pump is late.  So if you just
> want to take a guess and move the pump to see if you can improve the smoke
> situation, then I'd say advance it a few degrees and see how she runs.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:17 PM Meade Dillon  wrote:
>
>> Yes you need to pull the vacuum pump, and the nut on the end of the IP
>> shaft is backward - left-handed thread, IIRC.
>>
>> If you go that far and pull the IP, the oil seal (big o-ring) on the
>> injection pump may start leaking, if you don't replace it.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Either that or the pump was removed at some point and when reinstalled
>>> was off a tooth. Perhaps I should just pull the pump and see. Oh wait,
>>> won’t I also have to pull the vacuum pump as well? Not really sure I want
>>> to get into all that although it probably won’t take all that long since I
>>> have it pulled apart this far.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

So if the pointer got moved, but the pump didn't ever get moved, then most
likely the chain is now stretched and the pump is late.  So if you just
want to take a guess and move the pump to see if you can improve the smoke
situation, then I'd say advance it a few degrees and see how she runs.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:17 PM Meade Dillon  wrote:

> Yes you need to pull the vacuum pump, and the nut on the end of the IP
> shaft is backward - left-handed thread, IIRC.
>
> If you go that far and pull the IP, the oil seal (big o-ring) on the
> injection pump may start leaking, if you don't replace it.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Either that or the pump was removed at some point and when reinstalled
>> was off a tooth. Perhaps I should just pull the pump and see. Oh wait,
>> won’t I also have to pull the vacuum pump as well? Not really sure I want
>> to get into all that although it probably won’t take all that long since I
>> have it pulled apart this far.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes you need to pull the vacuum pump, and the nut on the end of the IP
shaft is backward - left-handed thread, IIRC.

If you go that far and pull the IP, the oil seal (big o-ring) on the
injection pump may start leaking, if you don't replace it.

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 6:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Either that or the pump was removed at some point and when reinstalled was
> off a tooth. Perhaps I should just pull the pump and see. Oh wait, won’t I
> also have to pull the vacuum pump as well? Not really sure I want to get
> into all that although it probably won’t take all that long since I have it
> pulled apart this far.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 606 ip timing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Either that or the pump was removed at some point and when reinstalled was off 
a tooth. Perhaps I should just pull the pump and see. Oh wait, won’t I also 
have to pull the vacuum pump as well? Not really sure I want to get into all 
that although it probably won’t take all that long since I have it pulled apart 
this far. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2021, at 5:13 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> I ended up managing to break off the small bolt that holds the lower 
> adjuster to the block. This happened because the pump was adjusted as far as 
> if would go to the left (drivers side) at this point I get both lights lit up 
> and it’s at 5-6 atdc. I went ahead and pulled the manifold to get a better 
> look.
> 
> With the manifold off I wonder if I should go ahead and check the chain 
> stretch. Once again I say if the chain was stretched it would be after 14 
> before we got both lights on. I can only assume since the thing runs just 
> fine except for the light smoke, the pointer has moved at some point and it 
> probably needs new nozzles. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>> 
>> The 99 runs fine and has plenty of power, and sounds fine but I get the 
>> grey/black smoke at idle and black smoke under heavy pedal. I just hooked up 
>> my AB light to the ip and it appears to be coming up at 5-6 atdc. Spec is 
>> 14, correct? I wonder why the timing is off that much, or am I doing 
>> something wrong? I assume that would cause the smoke I am getting?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] 606 ip timing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I ended up managing to break off the small bolt that holds the lower adjuster 
to the block. This happened because the pump was adjusted as far as if would go 
to the left (drivers side) at this point I get both lights lit up and it’s at 
5-6 atdc. I went ahead and pulled the manifold to get a better look.

With the manifold off I wonder if I should go ahead and check the chain 
stretch. Once again I say if the chain was stretched it would be after 14 
before we got both lights on. I can only assume since the thing runs just fine 
except for the light smoke, the pointer has moved at some point and it probably 
needs new nozzles. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2021, at 3:07 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> The 99 runs fine and has plenty of power, and sounds fine but I get the 
> grey/black smoke at idle and black smoke under heavy pedal. I just hooked up 
> my AB light to the ip and it appears to be coming up at 5-6 atdc. Spec is 14, 
> correct? I wonder why the timing is off that much, or am I doing something 
> wrong? I assume that would cause the smoke I am getting?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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[MBZ] OM617 motor mounts

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

How long should the R job take for W116 OM617 motor mounts?

It's been so long since I've done it (and it was on a W123), I don't remember. 
Seems like it should be: jack up and support the engine, unbolt old mounts, 
bolt in new mounts, done.

But I vaguely remember possibly having to remove oil cooler lines on the left 
side to get access to the mount. Or maybe I just replaced those at the same 
time because they were leaking.

Trying to plan out tasks for the rest of the weekend.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 606 ip timing

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> If it was chain stretch it would read later than spec, not before, correct?

Yeah.

This seems like no fun.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/355241-om606-injection-timing.html

14 degrees ATDC seems to be the consensus.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/384456-checked-injection-timing-just-about-died-laughing-om606-content.html

One of the comments says something about the pointer to the dampener being 
movable? I don't know, I don't own an OM606

Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: August 14, 2021 3:17 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: ka...@striplin.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 606 ip timing

It’s possible the pump as been out. It’s possible the pointer has moved also. 
I’m going to mark the pump before adjusting it in case I need to put it back.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2021, at 3:15 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> Chain stretch?
> Pump been out?
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: August 14, 2021 3:09 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 
> davesl...@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> Subject: [MBZ] 606 ip timing
>
> The 99 runs fine and has plenty of power, and sounds fine but I get the 
> grey/black smoke at idle and black smoke under heavy pedal. I just hooked up 
> my AB light to the ip and it appears to be coming up at 5-6 atdc. Spec is 14, 
> correct? I wonder why the timing is off that much, or am I doing something 
> wrong? I assume that would cause the smoke I am getting?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Need transmission 1999 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Sedan 4D, $1, 000

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I must have copied Anna Brown's phone number wrong.  855 825-3733 is not
the correct number.

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> New conductor plate and good to go?  $600 offer
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT 1964 Ford Futura 13kmi

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

As I recall the one I worked on had the 170 cid I6 with a single barrel carb. 
You couldn’t get much more basic that that car. It was easy to drive with that 
massive steering wheel as I recall. I just remember it being so large in 
diameter that there wasn’t a lot of room between the bottom of the steering 
wheel and the (bench) seat.

-D

> On Aug 14, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
>> nothing more than a heater and three on the tree. Massive steering wheel, no 
>> PS.
> 
> Note that even the heater was an option, back then.  My '60 Falcon doesn't 
> have PS, nor
> does it need it.  My joke was the it didn't have power anything, not even the 
> motor!
> (144cid I6, not very powerful.  1-barrel Holley carb.)
> 
> Lots of ground clearance, drove it into some pretty sketchy places.  Never 
> got stuck.
> (Not mud.)  I retract that, got stuck once on the beach in the drier sand.
> 
> Very simple to work on.  IIRC it took me 20 minutes to remove the head once to
> dig a screw out of the piston.  Maybe another 20 minutes to be back running 
> again.
> 
> -- Jim
> 

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Re: [MBZ] 606 ip timing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

If it was chain stretch it would read later than spec, not before, correct? 
It’s possible the pump as been out. It’s possible the pointer has moved also. 
I’m going to mark the pump before adjusting it in case I need to put it back. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 14, 2021, at 3:15 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Chain stretch?
> Pump been out?
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: August 14, 2021 3:09 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; davesl...@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
> Subject: [MBZ] 606 ip timing
> 
> The 99 runs fine and has plenty of power, and sounds fine but I get the 
> grey/black smoke at idle and black smoke under heavy pedal. I just hooked up 
> my AB light to the ip and it appears to be coming up at 5-6 atdc. Spec is 14, 
> correct? I wonder why the timing is off that much, or am I doing something 
> wrong? I assume that would cause the smoke I am getting?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] 606 ip timing

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Chain stretch?
Pump been out?


Rick

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Cc: ka...@striplin.net
Subject: [MBZ] 606 ip timing

The 99 runs fine and has plenty of power, and sounds fine but I get the 
grey/black smoke at idle and black smoke under heavy pedal. I just hooked up my 
AB light to the ip and it appears to be coming up at 5-6 atdc. Spec is 14, 
correct? I wonder why the timing is off that much, or am I doing something 
wrong? I assume that would cause the smoke I am getting?

Sent from my iPhone

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[MBZ] 606 ip timing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The 99 runs fine and has plenty of power, and sounds fine but I get the 
grey/black smoke at idle and black smoke under heavy pedal. I just hooked up my 
AB light to the ip and it appears to be coming up at 5-6 atdc. Spec is 14, 
correct? I wonder why the timing is off that much, or am I doing something 
wrong? I assume that would cause the smoke I am getting?

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Re: [MBZ] Super style to enjoy a good moments!! 2003 Mercedes-Benz C-Class C 240 Sedan 4D, $6, 900

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A tarted up C class.  Why not?

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> Dual cold air intakes provide increased performance
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[MBZ] 606 ip timing

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The 99 runs fine and has plenty of power, and sounds fine but I get the 
grey/black smoke at idle and black smoke under heavy pedal. I just hooked up my 
AB light to the ip and it appears to be coming up at 5-6 atdc. Spec is 14, 
correct? I wonder why the timing is off that much, or am I doing something 
wrong? I assume that would cause the smoke I am getting?

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Re: [MBZ] check engine light on for electronics resulting in back window not rolling down by button

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Not E320?

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> 1997 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 420 Sedan 4D
> $1,600
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Re: [MBZ] 2008 ML350 - 99k miles - $13,000

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Even a 2008 diesel ML isn't worth that much.

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> Would need VIN to check on possible balance shaft concerns? Even if OK,
> seems insane price.
>
> "No lowball offers."
>
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/naperville-beautiful-2008-mercedes-ml/7365426291.html
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Re: [MBZ] 123 part search

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Could a R107 strap work? ( not knowing, since I have not needed to do those 
> straps).  From my PnP scrounging  tours, the check straps for w115, 116, 123 
> and 126 all looked very much alike.

Never looked at a 116.  IIRC 115 has had both types, the roller on leaf spring
and the sliding ball detent types.  Never seen anything but the latter in 
123/126.
Never seen anything but roller on cam in 107.  Never seen a broken 107 strap,
they seem to be significantly more robust than the others.  It may be that the
bodies are not pot metal, unlike the 115.  It's the pot metal that always fails.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT 1964 Ford Futura 13kmi

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> nothing more than a heater and three on the tree. Massive steering wheel, no 
> PS.

Note that even the heater was an option, back then.  My '60 Falcon doesn't have 
PS, nor
does it need it.  My joke was the it didn't have power anything, not even the 
motor!
(144cid I6, not very powerful.  1-barrel Holley carb.)

Lots of ground clearance, drove it into some pretty sketchy places.  Never got 
stuck.
(Not mud.)  I retract that, got stuck once on the beach in the drier sand.

Very simple to work on.  IIRC it took me 20 minutes to remove the head once to
dig a screw out of the piston.  Maybe another 20 minutes to be back running 
again.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] It’s hitting the fan

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea that’s why I liked the once or sometimes twice a month deal. I am sure I 
will still be gone at times but won’t get to see different parts of the 
country. 

I am sure there will be a mass exodus of people who will not like the new 
situation as some of them did not want to be put on the install team. 

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> On Aug 14, 2021, at 1:03 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good luck, Allan. Slim pickings around there unless it’s something else with 
> the University, I would think.
> 
> Kaleb, at least you’ll be closer to home. While the road warrior thing can be 
> nice for a bit, it starts to get tedious and causes major interruptions in 
> your “normal” life, for sure. Stuff you want to do in the evenings after work 
> on on the weekends go out the window because you’re either not there or have 
> to leave early to get to a client’s location.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Had a meeting yesterday. Our research center is shutting down. Not entirely 
>> surprising as the head of the center moved to Virginia. We will all have to 
>> interview for new positions.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> They had a big all hands call today with the executives who were all 
>>> excited about the company and the future, bla bla bla. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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  wrote:
 
 Just a quick reminder: COBRA doesn't apply if the company
 itself goes down.  BTDT.
 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hitting the fan

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I am not sure yet. I currently cover west Texas and Little Rock and I fly to 
those areas. I may be going further out which will require flying but otherwise 
I drive my 210 diesel. 

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> On Aug 14, 2021, at 12:55 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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> 
> On 2021-08-14 13:31, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I remained in my existing job but will most
>> likely have a lot more area to cover. I will no longer be flying to
>> different areas for installs. This trip to NYC in a couple of weeks
>> will be my last. No idea if or how often I will be traveling now but
>> it sounds like it would just be with my territory.
> 
> So, more driving?
> Do they give you a car or do you use your fleet of 124/210/211 diesels?
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Re: [MBZ] 99 4Matic Low Miles

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Pretty boring colors, but otherwise nice looking find.

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] It’s hitting the fan

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Yeah, I enjoyed the twice monthly traveling I did when I was doing the 
recruiting of operators for the old nuke plant, but it grew tedious after ten 
years. Eventually, I had to pass it off to the younger, fresher faces of 
nuclear power. 
You can help in the bakery if you run out of things to do at work or in your 
shop.

AZBob

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> On Aug 14, 2021, at 11:03 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> 
> Good luck, Allan. Slim pickings around there unless it’s something else with 
> the University, I would think.
> 
> Kaleb, at least you’ll be closer to home. While the road warrior thing can be 
> nice for a bit, it starts to get tedious and causes major interruptions in 
> your “normal” life, for sure. Stuff you want to do in the evenings after work 
> on on the weekends go out the window because you’re either not there or have 
> to leave early to get to a client’s location.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Had a meeting yesterday. Our research center is shutting down. Not entirely 
>> surprising as the head of the center moved to Virginia. We will all have to 
>> interview for new positions.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> They had a big all hands call today with the executives who were all 
>>> excited about the company and the future, bla bla bla. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 21, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Just a quick reminder: COBRA doesn't apply if the company
 itself goes down.  BTDT.
 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hitting the fan

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Good luck, Allan. Slim pickings around there unless it’s something else with 
the University, I would think.

Kaleb, at least you’ll be closer to home. While the road warrior thing can be 
nice for a bit, it starts to get tedious and causes major interruptions in your 
“normal” life, for sure. Stuff you want to do in the evenings after work on on 
the weekends go out the window because you’re either not there or have to leave 
early to get to a client’s location.

-D

> On Aug 14, 2021, at 1:23 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Had a meeting yesterday. Our research center is shutting down. Not entirely 
> surprising as the head of the center moved to Virginia. We will all have to 
> interview for new positions.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> They had a big all hands call today with the executives who were all excited 
>> about the company and the future, bla bla bla. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just a quick reminder: COBRA doesn't apply if the company
>>> itself goes down.  BTDT.
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
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[MBZ] 99 4Matic Low Miles

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

https://offerup.co/E3pVGvJKIib

Like Fred says, not mine. Too nice for boy to install a breathalyzer on. 

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hitting the fan

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On 2021-08-14 13:31, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I remained in my existing job but will most
likely have a lot more area to cover. I will no longer be flying to
different areas for installs. This trip to NYC in a couple of weeks
will be my last. No idea if or how often I will be traveling now but
it sounds like it would just be with my territory.


So, more driving?
Do they give you a car or do you use your fleet of 124/210/211 diesels?

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hitting the fan

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

That sucks.


Rick

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Had a meeting yesterday. Our research center is shutting down. Not entirely 
surprising as the head of the center moved to Virginia. We will all have to 
interview for new positions.

Allan



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Re: [MBZ] It’s hitting the fan

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Wow, that sucks.

After weeks of complete silence, they had a call last monday to basically say 
they knew nothing and anything we have heard is just rumors. By Thursday they 
sent out an email saying our new managers would be reaching out to let us know 
what our new jobs would be. Apparently some of our people were staying in their 
current roles and others were moving to an install team. Basically the way it 
is now is we all have 1 week a month where we travel to areas outside our 
normal territory to implement new accounts. Now they will have a team who does 
this full time. I remained in my existing job but will most likely have a lot 
more area to cover. I will no longer be flying to different areas for installs. 
This trip to NYC in a couple of weeks will be my last. No idea if or how often 
I will be traveling now but it sounds like it would just be with my territory. 

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> On Aug 14, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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> 
> Had a meeting yesterday. Our research center is shutting down. Not entirely 
> surprising as the head of the center moved to Virginia. We will all have to 
> interview for new positions.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> They had a big all hands call today with the executives who were all excited 
>> about the company and the future, bla bla bla. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 21, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just a quick reminder: COBRA doesn't apply if the company
>>> itself goes down.  BTDT.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hitting the fan

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Had a meeting yesterday. Our research center is shutting down. Not entirely 
surprising as the head of the center moved to Virginia. We will all have to 
interview for new positions.

Allan


On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> They had a big all hands call today with the executives who were all excited 
> about the company and the future, bla bla bla. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jul 21, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
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> > Just a quick reminder: COBRA doesn't apply if the company
> > itself goes down.  BTDT.
> > 
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[MBZ] 2008 ML350 - 99k miles - $13,000

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Would need VIN to check on possible balance shaft concerns? Even if OK, seems 
insane price.

"No lowball offers."

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/naperville-beautiful-2008-mercedes-ml/7365426291.html

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[MBZ] 2017 SLC 43 AMG - 8,900 miles - $64,950

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Nice looking car. Would prefer solid black interior I think -- the red and 
black looks a little cartoonish.

Driver appears to have had a heavy elbow on the center armrest.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cto/d/aurora-mercedes-benz-2017-slc-43-amg/7365636701.html

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Re: [MBZ] does crank with starting fluid, but does not continue to run 220SE 1965 "Fin Tail" Mercedes Benz

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Money pit. If you've got injection system issues on these cars you’re going to 
drop a major dime getting them right. Rust in the requisite places, expensive 
to fix and hides what is no doubt more extensive stuff behind it.

Too bad, as it’s an SE, making it more desirable but also more expensive to 
restore.

-D



> On Aug 14, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> Looks mostly complete except for door card, some rust, good project but ask 
> seems a bit high
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/536286044088904
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Looks mostly complete except for door card, some rust, good project but 
ask seems a bit high


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/536286044088904

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Re: [MBZ] Whiling too trade for a truck. 2003 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Wagon 4D, $2, 600

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Listed20 hours agoinConway, SC 
 which is about 
2hr up the road.  Got my SL600 up there


On 8/14/21 10:43 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On 2021-08-14 10:31, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/57846810412


Where is it?
4Matic?
Trade for 2003 ML350?

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Re: [MBZ] Martha....

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I have a real problem with all these garage queens.  Cars were built to 
be driven not on exhibit in a museum or to just sit in a garage.  It's 
fun to see them, but would be more fun to see them running and driven 
like real cars.  I think about the guy here who has all these Rollers 
100+/-yo and he drives them all and maintains them, and they look really 
nice, but he uses them as they were meant to and enjoys them for what 
they are


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On 8/13/21 7:11 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

https://pebble.hagerty.com/video/watch-car-detailing-and-preparation-for-the-pebble-beach-concours

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[MBZ] Super style to enjoy a good moments!! 2003 Mercedes-Benz C-Class C 240 Sedan 4D, $6, 900

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Dual cold air intakes provide increased performance

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Re: [MBZ] Whiling too trade for a truck. 2003 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Wagon 4D, $2, 600

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On 2021-08-14 10:31, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/57846810412


Where is it?
4Matic?
Trade for 2003 ML350?

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[MBZ] Need transmission 1999 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Sedan 4D, $1, 000

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New conductor plate and good to go?  $600 offer

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3082399718696050

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[MBZ] looks decent, fairly low miles for 2003 Mercedes ML320, $3, 000

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[MBZ] Whiling too trade for a truck. 2003 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 320 Wagon 4D, $2, 600

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Re: [MBZ] OT 1964 Ford Futura 13kmi

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In the early 80’s I had a ‘62. Three-on-the-tree, dead simple 170in3, no PS, 
manual choke,  tube AM radio…it was awesome. 
It shared almost all its accessories bits (brackets, pulleys, braces, AC/heater 
parts) with Mustang. I remember being annoyed cause Mustang guys had more money 
to pay higher prices for those things than I did so, as a result, I could 
upgrade my Falcon with the correct aftermarket AC to make living here more 
comfortable. 
I remember trying to talk the nurse at the children’s hospital into allowing me 
to take my infant son home in my Falcon on July 30, 1989. I think it was 116 
degrees and we had a 25 mile trip through Phoenix traffic. My effort to toughen 
him up from the get go turned into me calling my dad and he came down in his 
1990 Toronado blowing ice cold air. 

AZBob

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> And likely a massive steering wheel, unless power steering was an upgrade.
> 
> The guy I worked for right out of school with all the Jags had an early 60s 
> “Ford” (bottom of the line Falcon/Comet, I think) that had belonged to his 
> mother that had nothing more than a heater and three on the tree. Massive 
> steering wheel, no PS.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes it was the top Falcon model, it has extra chrome bits and might have a 
>> small V8
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 8/14/21 9:43 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I'm sure JimC knows more than I do, but isn't the Futura a Falcon/Comet?
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[MBZ] check engine light on for electronics resulting in back window not rolling down by button

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

1997 Mercedes-Benz E-Class E 420 Sedan 4D
$1,600
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/959276614632821

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Re: [MBZ] OT 1964 Ford Futura 13kmi

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On 2021-08-14 10:05, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Yes it was the top Falcon model, it has extra chrome bits and might
have a small V8


Friend of mine had his mom's early 60s Comet, fully loaded, parked in 
the back 40. Floor and I believe frame rotted out within 20 years of 
parking it but it still looked decent topside when sent to the crusher.

White with red interior, he said the bucket seats were super rare.

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Re: [MBZ] Great color combo 2005 Mercedes Benz E500 V8 - $4, 900 (St.Augustine) price FIRM

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Cranberry?

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On 8/13/21 1:25 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Claret, or reminiscent of strawberry (original gullwing color)

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 9:26 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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A little high for the miles but looks decent


https://staugustine.craigslist.org/cto/d/saint-augustine-2005-mercedes-benz-e500/7364713571.html



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Re: [MBZ] OT 1964 Ford Futura 13kmi

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

And likely a massive steering wheel, unless power steering was an upgrade.

The guy I worked for right out of school with all the Jags had an early 60s 
“Ford” (bottom of the line Falcon/Comet, I think) that had belonged to his 
mother that had nothing more than a heater and three on the tree. Massive 
steering wheel, no PS.

-D

> On Aug 14, 2021, at 10:05 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes it was the top Falcon model, it has extra chrome bits and might have a 
> small V8
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 8/14/21 9:43 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>> I'm sure JimC knows more than I do, but isn't the Futura a Falcon/Comet?
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Re: [MBZ] OT 1964 Ford Futura 13kmi

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yes it was the top Falcon model, it has extra chrome bits and might have 
a small V8


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On 8/14/21 9:43 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

I'm sure JimC knows more than I do, but isn't the Futura a Falcon/Comet?

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Re: [MBZ] OT 1964 Ford Futura 13kmi

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I'm sure JimC knows more than I do, but isn't the Futura a Falcon/Comet?

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Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On 2021-08-14 02:01, Ronald Courcy via Mercedes wrote:

Dwight , look at Ebay #133422332696 #194274102364.



The first listing looks like the long one in the picture, but the part 
number appears to match the short one.

I hope nobody's selling UROs as NOS.

https://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/44152/Door-Check-Front-1237200516A/

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Re: [MBZ] OT 1964 Ford Futura 13kmi

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Neat!
I was sorely tempted by a Studebaker Champ a couple weeks ago. I figured an 
old, simple truck would make a good camp vehicle. I want something with enough 
clearance to easily run out to camp so I can use my Jetta to commute to Caribou 
and use 1/3 the fuel the truck does.
-Curt

On Saturday, August 14, 2021, 8:31:02 AM EDT, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 A friend has put me in touch with her realtor who has her grandmother’s 1964 
Ford Futura sitting in a garage where it has been for decades it seems. 13k 
miles. She wants me to come take a look at it soon to see what it might take to 
get it running. I’m sure all the rubber bits are rotted and who knows what the 
vermin might have done but it will be exciting to check out. I recall these 
things as being quite simple, not a lot to them.  Probably a 6 banger with a 
little carburetor. 

I’ll take my vid cams do do a “barn find” reveal!  TV show coming!  Or at least 
a youtuber vid. 

—FT

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[MBZ] OT 1964 Ford Futura 13kmi

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

A friend has put me in touch with her realtor who has her grandmother’s 1964 
Ford Futura sitting in a garage where it has been for decades it seems. 13k 
miles. She wants me to come take a look at it soon to see what it might take to 
get it running. I’m sure all the rubber bits are rotted and who knows what the 
vermin might have done but it will be exciting to check out. I recall these 
things as being quite simple, not a lot to them.  Probably a 6 banger with a 
little carburetor. 

I’ll take my vid cams do do a “barn find” reveal!  TV show coming!  Or at least 
a youtuber vid. 

—FT

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Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap

[Ronald Courcy via Mercedes]

Dwight , look at Ebay #133422332696 #194274102364.

From: Dwight Giles 
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2021 3:55 PM
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Cc: mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com ; Ronald 
Courcy 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] w123 door check strap

Thanks
 I looked on eBay yesterday & couldn't find as o did before. Will look again.

CHOWDAHQ 14 on Sept. 11.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Fri, Aug 13, 2021, 10:28 AM Ronald Courcy via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
FYI. There are several 114mm w123 (new) door check straps listed on ebay right 
now for less than $120 delivered.

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Yes. Gotta love the classic Center.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 7:29 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Perfect example of MB stepping up and building new parts that were
> previously NLA.
>
> And they say MB doesn?t care?.
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 6:07 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes rare. Classic center said they just remade some. It is for a friend
> of
> > mine. Mine was changed when I bought it.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 5:56 PM dan penoff.com via 
> > Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I did some digging and only came up with the OE part. You can find it
> at
> > a
> > > number of the RevParts sellers for under $250.00, but I don?t see any
> > > alternatives.
> > >
> > > Sorry.
> > >
> > > If it?s any consolation they?re trading on eBay for upwards of $350 for
> > > the uninitiated.
> > >
> > > I would say to bite the bullet and buy an OE one and move on. I?m
> > > surprised they?re still available considering the relatively small
> > > application base.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > > On Aug 12, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am looking for a door stop/check strap for a 123 coupe.  They are
> > > > different from sedan and wagon. MB Classic has one for 250.00. (ouch)
> > > > Yesterday I found a URO one for much cheaper but I can't find it
> today.
> > > > Parts # is 123 720 03 16. Strap length is 114mm while sedan is 100mm.
> > > > Does Anybody have a good used one or know of a source? I have tried
> all
> > > the
> > > > major sources.
> > > > TIA
> > > > Dwight
> > > >
> > > > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > > > 1982 300CD
> > > > 2005 E320 4matic
> > > > Wickford RI
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