[MBZ] Average Vehicle Scrapping Age
Here is an interesting Norwegian study which shows the average scrapping age of used cars, which I think is a possible indicator of longevity, but could also be skewed by the fact that people with more expensive vehicles (or cult type hobby vehicles) probably maintain them better. There's probably also another cost effect in that a more expensive new car will also have a higher resale value when older, so it will seem more economical to repair it rather than scrap it. Mercedes, Volvo, SAAB, Audi, BMW, and Volkswagen are the top 6 (in that order). http://ssb.no/english/subjects/10/12/20/bilreg_en/arkiv/bilvrak_en/art-2001-06-18-01-en.html Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Congrats, you just bought an American car!
It's a shame that in the USA if a corporation sells overpriced low quality products that nobody wants (american cars, sub-prime loans, etc.), the US Government has their back and spends tax dollars to keep them in business. But if a single mother with no health care gets curable cancer, or if a public school develops toxic mold because it can't afford a new roof it's tough luck. This isn't a matter of conservative vs. socialist values. They are both socialist, the difference is classism. Behind this behavior is the inherent assumption that wealthy corporate execs and shareholders are inherently more valuable as humans than poor people. Wait, never-mind- I forgot about trickle-down economic theory. On Oct 1, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Rolf wrote: http://www.wsrz.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article=4327764 Free money for everyone but me. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Here's the latest from Washington State
It sounds like they're just telling people not to let the runoff go into a storm drain, not to avoid washing your car. If the water goes onto a lawn, dirt field, sewer, septic tank, etc. the soap will break down before it enters a stream- It seems reasonable to me. Unless you live in densely packed suburbs there's a good chance you don't even have storm drains near your house to worry about. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 30, 2008, at 9:11 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote: Hi all, Read this: http://www.nextautos.com/washington-state-ban-home-car-washing Yes, the greenies are about to push the reality envelope!!! I wonder who the lobbyist for the car wash industry is??? Chuck Phoenix ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] interesting ebay ad
Shouldn't eBay insurance have covered the price of the vfraudulentlyehicle if it was fraudulently advertised? And wouldn't they have taken the car, and auctioned it? I'm not sure why she still has it... Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 29, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-diesel-1985-Mercedes-Diesel-No-Shill-Bidders-Here-92-000-mile_W0QQitemZ150300067254QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] V8 CIS
The parts had been filled with a mixture of varnish and water for over a decade, and corrosion had rusted through the fuel tank, and the pumps had pumped chunks of rusty metal into each component, along with the varnish. Each part would have needed disassembly by hand and cleaning, and most of these parts are very difficult to take apart and rebuild. It only took a few hours of work to install all new parts, and I had them anyways since I was also buying the parts car as a donor to convert my car to a manual. K-Jet doesn't like to sit for decades on end outdoors in a damp climate with a nearly empty fuel tank. If you added a fuel stabilizer, and kept the tank nearly full you should probably be fine Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 26, 2008, at 4:27 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Tyler Backman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Have you considered swapping on an entire used k-jet system (every >> component) from another car? I had to do this on a k-jet 1975 Volvo >> that had been sitting in a field for 15 years, and the fuel had >> varnished. I had to replace the entire fuel system including the >> pumps, fuel tank, injectors, fuel distributor, control pressure >> regulator, etc. > > Seems like an awful lot of work. No way to clean the original system > in place? Or did you just figure that you were going to have to R&R > each part for a bath in solvent, and you might as well expend less > effort to replace them with known good components instead? > > Now I'm worrying about the two fuel-injected gas cars I have sitting > behind my barn waiting for their turn to get fixed up and run again. > (Been about a year since either was driven, but I did add Sta-Bil to > the tank and let each car idle for a while to work it through the fuel > system before I shut 'em off and took out the batteries.) > > Alex > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap OM601/2/3 Diesel Vacuum Pump
I've always suspected that a cheap imitation must exist, given the popularity of 190Ds as taxis in poorer nations (as mentioned in the book My Mercedes is not for sale). I find it hard to believe that those cars are still operating at 300k+ miles with the original vacuum pumps, that the cars were being used in heavy traffic without power brake assist, or that the owners had dumped $300 on a vacuum pump. The only logical explanation is that they must be using a cheap imitation that can be had for a small fraction of the cost of an OEM quality pump, and I think I now have one of those. If they are widely used, I should be able to (somehow) figure out if they're generally reliable without testing it first on my own engine Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 26, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote: > It is sure a funky looking thing. Not at all like a Pierburg. > > Rusty Cullens > BuyMBparts, Inc. > Tel 1-800-741-5252 > Fax 770-454-9745 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trolling
When I used to do computer support for the OSU college of science, I often had to work on 80 and early 90s Sun workstations running Solaris or SunOS. Often they had as much as 5 years of uptime, and were still running stable. I felt as if I was destroying some rare archeological artifact when I rebooted them to see if my configuration changes would "stick." Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 26, 2008, at 7:44 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: > I just thought I'd mention that out of curiosity I checked > to see how long this 1998 233 MHz Mac G3 (OSX 10.2.8) has been > running since the last reboot. According to "uptime", it's > 97 days, and I know the last reboot was caused by the UPS not > doing its job correctly. (I also will shut it down if we're > going to be gone for more than a couple of days.) Crashes > are _extremely_ rare, once I got rid of the bad memory stick. > > It's what I use to do my e-mail, maintain my web site, read > the FSM on, and access the EPC via Virtual PC. I also use > Illustrator on it to make schematics, because even though it's > our slowest smallest OSX Mac, it's got the biggest screen. > (21" Sony E500.) It could use a bit more memory as it's only > got 384 MB and occasionally gets a bit swappy, but other than > that it's been pretty darned satisfactory. (Limit yourself to > only one large application [Firefox+Acrobat, Illustrator, VPC] > at a time and it doesn't thrash at all.) > > Especially since it was free. Six years ago. > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] V8 CIS
Clogging the same cylinder twice sure seems like an unusual coincidence. It's a long shot, but is it possible that your fuel filter has failed, and is allowing dirt particles to directly enter the fuel system? Converting a k-jet car to megasquirt, etc. would be a lot of work. I'd only consider it if I also planned to make major modifications to an engine that the stock system was unable to adapt to (such as turbocharging). Have you considered swapping on an entire used k-jet system (every component) from another car? I had to do this on a k-jet 1975 Volvo that had been sitting in a field for 15 years, and the fuel had varnished. I had to replace the entire fuel system including the pumps, fuel tank, injectors, fuel distributor, control pressure regulator, etc. I even had to replace all of the clothing I wore while working on the system, since 3 washes in the washing machine failed to get rid of the horrible gasoline varnish smell. I think the total cost was about zero, because I was able to get all of the components from a parts car that I later recovered more than the purchase price of when I recycled the unibody for scrap metal. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 26, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Trampas wrote: > I basically used a longer injection line to plumb port over to > neighboring > cylinder and vise-verse. > > Well I had a spare fuel distributor that I got from Kaleb which is > what I > replaced the first unit with that caused problem to go away for a > week. It > was just strange that two fuel distributors plugged up on same > cylinder in > same way. Also I did put a new fuel injector in just in case. > > I am really thinking about making a electronic fuel injection > conversion for > the car as that I have not been a big fan of the CIS system. However > the > previous fuel distributor did last for 247k miles so I have had no > reason to > change what worked. > > Trampas > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] V8 CIS
When you "plumb [the] output" are you swapping injectors, fuel lines, or just ports on the fuel distributor? If it's just ports on the fuel distributor, it's likely that there is some debris lodged in the distributor preventing fuel from flowing properly to that cylinder. I'd recommend just getting a good used fuel distributor from a junkyard. It would probably only take a few minutes to install, including adjusting the idle air/fuel ratio based on feedback from the O2 sensor. Just get one that hasn't been sitting for a long time and is full of varnished fuel. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 26, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Trampas wrote: > My 1987 420SEL has developed a miss on one cylinder. Did some > debugging and > found the CIS appears to be problem. Swapped with a spare unit I had > and > about 1 week latter a miss appeared on the same cylinder. I can > plumb that > output of the CIS to a different cylinder and miss moves with it. > > > > Does anyone know what would cause the CIS to fail on the same > cylinder or is > just my luck? > > > > I guess the big question becomes do I replace CIS, try to build a > electronic > fuel injection system, or rebuild a OM617 for the car. > > > > Trampas > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cheap OM601/2/3 Diesel Vacuum Pump
I'm not certain it is a Pierburg- I didn't think imitations existed until I received it and looked at it. I'm not so certain, that's why I'm asking you guys if you think it's a Pierburg, and is sufficient quality to use, and if any of you have heard of low quality imitations. If it is a genuine Pierburg, or of equivalent quality then I saved almost $300. It "appears" to be identical, and of good quality but it has no brand logos. It does have the same (looking) bearing, and screws in the cover in the same places as the upgraded Pierburg pump, which is what made me believe it was the proper pump before I purchased it. I won't install this new pump unless I can verify that it is good quality. I realize that I took a gamble by purchasing it without really knowing what it was, but I can likely re-list it on ebay and get my money back if I decide not to install it. I admit that I am too cheap to dump over $300 on a vacuum pump unless I am truly risking my engine otherwise. I would first like to rule out the possibility of using this new one, rebuilding the original myself with a proper bearing, or making a block-off plate and switching to an electric pump. You have to realize that this car is primarily an investment/hobby for me. I commute to work daily by bicycle, and I typically drive my Volvo wagon during the infrequent times I need to drive somewhere. The 190D sits under a car cover in a garage, and is only driven for fun on weekends and on long freeway trips. I am willing to put a lot of time into it (for fun) but not a lot of money. That doesn't mean I don't take maintaining it seriously, or risk destroying the car to save a few bucks. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 26, 2008, at 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You bought it right? Whereas you are "certain it must be a > Peirburg", I guess you've answered your own question. > > Why would I put it on my car? It's yours for better or worse. > > Why would one take this risk for a few bucks when all you have to do > is call Rusty for the correct item? > > Pete > > -- Original message -- > From: Tyler Backman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> I got a brand new Vacuum pump for my 190D on ebay from the UK for >> only >> 30 pounds ($55 USD): >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=2302 >> 85188397 >> >> I did it because I was certain it must be a Pierburg, because nobody >> makes imitations as far as I know. I was wrong- it does appear to be >> an imitation (or a rebuilt pierburg with the logos ground off), but >> it >> seems to be high quality, and it has the upgraded bearing design >> which >> will keep the balls from coming free inside the timing chain cover. >> >> Does anyone have a idea what this thing really is? Would you put it >> on >> your car? My old pump works fine, but at 220k miles, I am afraid it >> is >> going to fail catastrophically and damage the engine, and this was >> too >> good a deal to pass up. >> >> Sincerely, >> Tyler William H Backman >> 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cheap OM601/2/3 Diesel Vacuum Pump
I got a brand new Vacuum pump for my 190D on ebay from the UK for only 30 pounds ($55 USD): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=230285188397 I did it because I was certain it must be a Pierburg, because nobody makes imitations as far as I know. I was wrong- it does appear to be an imitation (or a rebuilt pierburg with the logos ground off), but it seems to be high quality, and it has the upgraded bearing design which will keep the balls from coming free inside the timing chain cover. Does anyone have a idea what this thing really is? Would you put it on your car? My old pump works fine, but at 220k miles, I am afraid it is going to fail catastrophically and damage the engine, and this was too good a deal to pass up. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D AC
Have you checked all of the pins on your climate control with a multimeter per the instructions on http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mamerepairs.html? Some of the instructions are wrong for later model 190Ds, but for anything pre-87 I think they should be correct. Since your heater vale closes unless the dial is all the way to "min" I would suspect one of the temperature sensors telling the control unit it is colder than it actually is. Putting it all the way on "min" overrides the temp sensor input, and shuts the heater off no matter what. Have you checked the vacuum at the heater valve? My 190D was running the heater valve open while running the AC because of a vacuum leak which prevented it from closing all the way (full vacuum to the valve shuts it off). I tested all of the electronics with a multimeter, and they were all functioning correctly. Since I live near LA where I basically never need heat, I ran a permanent vacuum line from the pump to the heater valve, and now the AC works perfectly. If for some reason it did get cold (which it won't- ever) I could just put it back the way it was in 10 seconds. I'll probably fix it *properly* before I drive up to visit family in the colder(er) pacific northwest. Why are you using R134a instead of R12? The stock AC systems on 190Ds are weak enough as it is with R12, I doubt they would ever work well with R134a, especially in hot/humid climates. My AC system works really hard to keep the car cool with R12 I had to wire the dual electric fans to run constantly on the condenser, and I shut off the AC system when I am stopped in traffic because it stops blowing cold, and the motor starts warming up. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Well, the AC saga continues. I had to have the manifold hoses > rebuilt, > installed them yesterday. Pulled a vacuum for 2 hours, then let it it > sit all night and day till this evening, still holding vacuum at same > level. Put a little 134 in it, sniffer did not see any leaks. Fully > charged and it worked of course. Will see how long it holds. > Before it > leaked out overnight. That was when I found the leak in the front > compressor seal. Or so I though. Replaced the compressor, same leak. > Thats when I found the pinhole in the hose, right by the compressor. > The other compressor probably was not leaking at all. > > I also noticed that after a while of running, the heater valve opens > back up unless you have the dial all the way to min. Anybody know > anything about these 201 climate controls? Wonder if its a sensor > somewhere or the control unit. I also dont seem to get much air out > of > the side vents but do out the center just fine. > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, > 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, > 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb > http://www.okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 index
Just look where the link is pointing from the index, and make sure that the appropriately named files are in that folder. You'll need to copy the files off your CD and onto your hard drive. The links in the index point to files like "../../../w201CD1/PDF/90001a.pdf" so it's necessary to have the CD contents in a folder called "w201CD1" that exists as a sub-folder within the main folder of the index (the one that contains Main.html). Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:05 AM, Max Dillon wrote: > Jim, > > http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d/Main.html > > I give up! How am I supposed to use it? I realize I need to have > the CD, but then what? > > -- > Very respectfully, > /s/ > Max Dillon > '87 300TD, 310k miles > Charleston SC > Digest lurker (on and off) since > 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] S350 diesel sedan
Personally, I'd sell it and buy something with an OM602 engine. If the engine goes while you own it, you'll lose your investment as the car will become almost worthless. There is a chance that one of the previous owners had your engine replaced with an updated one. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 18, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Nick Gilles wrote: > Hi all, > > OK, so I started making biodiesel about a year ago. It's running > very well > in my tractors and skid loaders. I get the bright idea to look for > diesel > cars as I already have a gas pickup (that's paid for). I started > with the > VW's , wanted a little bigger vehicle. A friend suggested looking > into > Mercedes diesels. > > > > I set my Ebay search to watch for MB diesel cars. I find a S350, very > reasonable price, very nice condition. I win the bid, get it home > and then > find out I bought a "rod bender"! > > > > I'm trying to decide to sell it again or keep it and give it a > shot. It > runs great, doesn't seem to be consuming hardly any oil. Body & > interior in > great shape. > > > > I've done quite a bit more research and I've been getting about > 10-1, horror > stories to good stories with the S350's. I'd sure like to hear from > others, > good or bad. Keep it or sell it while I can! > > Thanks > > Nick in Wi > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [vjmc] The Harley Lifestyle -
No, this is the one that future employers will see when they google your name. On Sep 12, 2008, at 12:51 PM, Bill R wrote: > > Is this 'Banned?' ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight wrenches impress
Yep, I've always re-purchased the same Red Wing boot, and they used to last me 3 years while a normal work boot would last less than 1. My most recent pair (same model, same size, similar level of usage) literally fell apart after only 6 months, and I found out that Red Wings are now mass-produced in china from low grade leather, with cardboard even though they look the same as the ones they've always made. My wife bought me a pair of Vibergs instead (http://www.viberg.com/ - no affiliation) which are MUCH better made than even the old Red Wings ever were, and have been made the same in Victoria BC by the same family of master boot makers since the 30s. I wouldn't be surpised if they do last as long as a W123 diesel. I've heard that the other red-wing owned shoe companies (Worx, Irish Setter, and Vasque) have also gone downhill. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 11, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Fmiser wrote: > Red Wing? > > Really!?!? > > *sigh* > > My latest pair of boots is about to need replacing or resoling. > I think they are about 7 years old. I don't want to hear that > the quality is leaking and new ones will be crummy... > > I can keep my old W123s running, but I'm not sure what to do to > keep good boots good... > > -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Niftyness / 190DT rare hoses
I've done this many times before on engines that take unusual coolant hoses, and never had a problem. You can get industrial hydraulic or fuel hose that's very chemical resistant, and can hold hundreds of PSI for much less money than what european car companies charge for their weird custom hoses. I get the brass fittings and hose at companies that supply in hydraulic fittings for farm equipment. The only issue is stiffness- the factory hoses are very thin to allow for the engine to vibrate without transfering too much vibration to other components and breaking them. There's plenty of hoses tough enough to last decades, but most would crack the radiator and heater core first. I will call Rusty first and see if he can get it. As I mentioned, I did try to contact him before (two or three times) but the messages probably got lost in a spam filter or something. I think it's a OEM only part, because it wouldn't be profitable for a 3rd party maufacturer to tool up for replacement hoses that fit a car mercedes only made about 1400 of. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 11, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >>> I'm going to try making up my own from industrial hose and large >>> brass >>> elbows. >> >> That's what I did for one of the hoses on the Hercules generator. >> I think I used copper plumbing fittings, not brass. >> > > The question's not whether it works, it's whether it's worth the > effort for a part that you can buy from Rusty. (Not even Rusty can > get parts for Jim's surplus generator, I imagine!) > > I guess I should say that the question's not whether it works... _as > long as_ you use hose of the proper pressure and temperature ratings. > Folks at the local hardware store told me a story about some poor bozo > who went to great effort to build an elaborate compressed air > distribution system for his shop out of PVC pipe, with little success. > > Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Harbor Freight wrenches impress
I've noticed a lot of companies with excellent brand names have been suddenly reducing the quality of their products. Craftsman, Red Wing shoes, and Mercedes Benz are all good examples. I'm guessing that it comes from desire of CEOs to show high quarterly earnings in the short- term to shareholders? Or maybe consumers are less interested in quality than they used to be? Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 11, 2008, at 11:46 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > I think they survive on name alone. My father-in-law has some > embarrasingly bad Craftsman tools. His Sawzall is a good example, > its got like 10 speed settings rather than a variable speed trigger. > My Dad has a Ryobi with the variable speed trigger. They're about > the same price, I'd take the Ryobi every single time. The variable > speed trigger allows you to start cutting slowly and speed up as the > cut progresses, nearly critical... > > I buy only quality tools now (well mostly anyway) and was very > pleased with the wrenches. > I bought a set of 1/2" sockets too but I haven't tried them out yet. > Looked to be the same metalurgy as the wrenches so I'm hopeful. > > -Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Harbor Freight wrenches impress
Ive also been using a set of those same wrenches for 4 years, some of that time working as a professional mechanic. I think I paid $7 for them on sale! At that price, I expected them to be "dollar store" quality; rounding off bolts, and breaking after a few uses. I am still really impressed with them, and they work perfectly- IMO they're better quality than Craftsman, but nowhere near the quality of Snap-On/Mac/etc. I like the carrier also, and am still using it. I'm not sure how craftsman stays in business selling disposable quality tools at high to middle end tool prices. When I was a kid my dad had a complete set of very old Craftsman tools that were absolutely top quality. They were stolen, and he purchased a new replacement set, most of which broke in less than a year. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 11, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > So yesterday in changing the oil on the bike I finally got to use > one of my Harbor Freight fully polished metric (17mm) wrenches. > http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=39488 > I think I bought mine on sale for $15. I'd figured for ~$1 a wrench > they were a good deal. They were hard to get a good impression of in > the package but in my hand they feel nice. They fit good on the bolt > and are long enough to give good leverage. The polished finish is > nicer than some much more expensive tools I've got. > A comparable set at Sears is more like $40 but isn't polished. > I also like the carrier as it doesn't have a cover. My experience > with the covers is that they're just in the way, this has an open > carrier which I really like. > > Anyway I'll be at Harbor Freight on Saturday and I'm going to pick > up the SAE set... > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Niftyness / 190DT rare hoses
You guys haven't replied to several of my e-mails asking about the availability of 190D turbo parts that are almost certainly impossible to get. Don't worry (not that you would)- I probably wouldn't have replied either :P I went into my local autozone last month, and asked about radiator hoses for the 190D turbo. They said "of course we can get them! just put down a deposit and come back in 3 hours and they'll be here." I said "are you sure? I really don't think you can- even import part places just laugh when I ask about them." They were dead certain, and I was somewhat surprised, since usually only the dealership can get them, and they cost like $200 each or something, and autozone only wanted $10 or so. I come back in 3 hours, and they mysteriously don't have them, and have no record of me ever ordering them. Eventually they said "the warehouse is out, you'll need to wait a few weeks for them to come in." I came in about once a week for 3 weeks, and they still never came. Eventually they gave me a refund, and said to drive to another autozone that already had them in stock. I carefully followed the instructions, driving about 30 minutes to get there and the other store didn't even exist. I got the message and I'm still without spare hoses. I'm going to try making up my own from industrial hose and large brass elbows. I want a more permanent solution than ordering $200 hoses, since I like to replace them on a regular schedule as cheap insurance. I did this on my Volvo turbo diesel which also required $400 worth of coolant hoses from the dealer, and it worked very well. Are these hoses really different from any other car with an OM602? Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote: > Gary? Not reply to an email? Ridiculous! He ALWAYS answers his > email. That > is what he tells me. Hmm. > > > Rusty Cullens > BuyMBparts, Inc. > Tel 1-800-741-5252 > Fax 770-454-9745 > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] used belts?
I've purchased used belts from wrecked cars at the J/Y when no others were available. They usually don't last long at all before the strap becomes frayed/unraveled. In the future I will only get used belts if I know the car hasn't been in a serious accident, and the belt appears to be perfect. Depending on the J/Y and the make/model/year you're looking for a high percentage of cars in the junkyard are usually their due to mechanical failure, not accidents. YMMV Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 11, 2008, at 4:58 AM, LarryT wrote: > `I assume this thread started with me asking for a source of > replacement > *Seat* belts - As RLE states, it's typically hard to get seat belts > from a > junk yard - the reason being, when in a wreck the seat belt is > seriously > stressed. It may not look bad but it is not good practice to reuse > a seat > belt that has been in an accident. > >Maybe I'm being overly cautious but I wouldn't want seat belts > that had > been involved in a serious accident. > > I thougtht I'd seen an advert in The Star but haven't been able to > locate it > yet -- > > Thx for the help - > . > Take Care, > Larry T > http://youroil.net > Carb & Jet Settings: > http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] used belts? > > >>> ...From what I've heard about using 'used' belts I will probably >>> go with >>> new ones... >>> >> Nobody will sell you used belts. >> >> And what you don't know is that belts in a wrecking yard could very >> well >> be >> stretched (that's what they do) and must be replaced if the car is >> repaired. >> Particularly if they are the self tightening type since that's a >> one time >> activation. >> >> RLE >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ** >> Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W201 capital of nation? world? Statistics
I read the book and was pretty disappointed. I had high expectations since I love adventure driving and W201s, but this was some of the worst travel writing I've ever read. It reads as a brief list of events covering too much time in too little detail to really be an engaging story IMO. If you think you might like it, might I suggest instead Road Fever by Tim Cahill. It doesn't have a Benz, but it's a much cooler story, that is very well written. He also comes across as somewhat ignorant when he suggests that the poverty in Africa is due to the peoples inability to plan ahead. As an example he cites a poor mechanic who takes a small monetary payment over the offer of a much more valuable hydraulic jack, when he is without one. His example ignores the fact that short term needs (feeding your family) always need to come before long term needs (higher quality tools), or else the benefits of the long term investments are never enjoyed. His view also ignores the long history of injustice and violence in the region that has helped form the current economic situation of the people living there, as well as other social political and environmental factors that are outside of their control. Basically, he accuses them of being unable to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 10, 2008, at 4:21 PM, tom savage wrote: > Zoltan Finks wrote: > >> Wonder if there is any source for statistics on how many vehicles >> of a >> certain type reside in a given area. > > Don't know, but in "My Mercedes is Not For Sale," the author quotes an > aid worker as saying that you can measure the poverty of a country (in > Africa) by counting Mercedes 190s; the more 190s, the poorer they are. > I guess they're everywhere in most of the continent. > > http://www.amazon.com/Mercedes-Not-Sale-Ouagadougou-Auto-Misadventure/dp/0767928695 > > Highly recommended. > > Tom > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
Personally, I'd use Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40, since this oil is designed to work with wet clutches. I can't think of any reason to use Turbo Diesel Truck instead. Were you able to get a volume discount at Autozone? I buy almost 30 quarts per year of Turbo Diesel Truck myself (use it in the 190D, and the Volvo Turbo). Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 10, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > Its too quiet today, this should stir things up... > I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm gonna > fill it with Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck". LT Don's been using > 15w50 in his. I figure the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40 I've > been using and possibly better. Its not an "energy conserving" > labeled oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have trouble with the > bike's wet clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the same > treatment at the next change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for > the cars and motorcycles, 10w30 for the pickup and small equipment, > tractor, snowblower, etc) instead of 3. > Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a > volume discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone > looks at me like I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these > times I need to get ugly about it. "look bub, I've bought 30 quarts > of this stuff in the last 12 months..." > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rust Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!!!
It's a non-visible panel (from the outside of the car), right? If so, get a wire brush on a drill and remove all of the old paint and bondo. Then coat whatever metal is left with POR-15 and call it good. I'd only add a patch panel if there is so much rust that it might weaken an important part, or if it's visible. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 9, 2008, at 3:16 PM, LarryT wrote: > While replacing a headlight wiring harness I found something I > thought my 91 didn;t have - rust. The sheetmetal behind the > headlight on the passenger side (below the air filter) appears to > have been repaired following a fender bender. I suspect the fender > and headlight unit was replaced but the horizontal sheetmetal looks > to have gotten the Bondo treatment. It was covered with paint and > looked like huge welds under the paint - a few taps with a > screwdriver and a hole appeared. > > So, I'm not sure what to do - nothing (which I'm leaning to) after > putting some anti-rust on it - or trying to replace it with a small > patch panel. I suspect the area will continue to rust if noting is > done and there's no gurantee I would find all the rust if I try to > replace it with a patch panel. > > Because of the heavy layer of paint, I cannot reach the rust from > the top - working on it from below is always a PITA. > > Anyone got any experience with this kind of stuff? Suggestions? > > Thanks - > Larry - > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Mileage was Re: OT volvo
I drove my wife down to Ikea today to get eat swedish meatballs and buy a bookshelf. The bookshelf fit in the back of the 740 turbo wagon pretty well Unfortunaely, I did in fact forget to bring a hat, and it was 103 degrees and very sunny today. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 5, 2008, at 5:36 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: > Good for you but don't forget the hat, you must have the hat on whilst > cruising in the brick down to the Ikea store. > > Hendrik > who must admit that he has visited Ikea once or twice but just to buy > Swedish meatballs......honest > > Tyler Backman wrote: >> I don't think anybody makes a car that compares with the turbo diesel >> 700 series for long distance driving. It's a smooth, quiet, and >> powerful full sized car with a 21-23 gallon fuel tank that gets over >> 30mpg, and is avaliable with a manual transmission. Plus they tend to >> sell for under 3 grand! Perhaps if mercedes had made W124 wagons with >> a manual transmission, auxilary fuel tank, and OM602 engines. but >> they didn't. >> >> For long distance desert driving where irrepairale breakdowns could >> be >> a life/death thing (think central Baja) I wouldn't consider driving >> anything other than a Volvo personally. >> >> Sincerely, >> Tyler William H Backman >> 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel >> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
I think the "late model" thing is a misnomer. We're not talking about some high tech fuel saving feature, but normal EFI behavior. I've never heard about an electric FI system that didn't shut off the fuel injectors when the engine speed was too high and the throttle closed. I know the LH-jet system used on 80s european cars does. Continuing to spray fuel would reduce engine braking and waste fuel. The only reason you wouldn't do it is if your FI system wasn't advanced enough to even realize that the engine isn't at idle (such as a 70s K-Jetronic mechanical injection system). Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 5, 2008, at 2:12 PM, Rolf wrote: > I was under the assumption that they coasted in neutral at idle. Never > knew about the fuel injectors shutting off all together. > > -Rolf > > Tyler Backman wrote: >> If they're in gear with the throttle closed and the drivetrain is >> pushing the engine above idle, the fuel injectors shut off until the >> engine speed returns to idle. You'd probably get better efficiency >> coasting in neutral with the engine idling anyway, which would avoid >> engine braking. >> >> Sincerely, >> Tyler William H Backman >> 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 5, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Rolf wrote: >> >> >>> ? How do you get that? Do they shut off their engines? Gassers still >>> have to maintain stoich @ idle, consuming more fuel then diesels. >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>>>> ..This is because gassers have to maintain stoich where diesels >>>>> are quite >>>>> happy at 100:1 air/fuel ratios. When you are coasting in a diesel >>>>> its >>>>> like free mileage... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> And when you are coasting in a late model gasser, no fuel is >>>> flowing so it's >>>> "like free mileage." >>>> >>>> RLE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ** >>>> Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, >>>> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >>>> >>>> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] coasting
If they're in gear with the throttle closed and the drivetrain is pushing the engine above idle, the fuel injectors shut off until the engine speed returns to idle. You'd probably get better efficiency coasting in neutral with the engine idling anyway, which would avoid engine braking. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 5, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Rolf wrote: > ? How do you get that? Do they shut off their engines? Gassers still > have to maintain stoich @ idle, consuming more fuel then diesels. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> ..This is because gassers have to maintain stoich where diesels >>> are quite >>> happy at 100:1 air/fuel ratios. When you are coasting in a diesel >>> its >>> like free mileage... >>> >>> >> And when you are coasting in a late model gasser, no fuel is >> flowing so it's >> "like free mileage." >> >> RLE >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> ** >> Pt...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, >> plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. >> >> (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty000514) >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 Mileage was Re: OT volvo
I don't think anybody makes a car that compares with the turbo diesel 700 series for long distance driving. It's a smooth, quiet, and powerful full sized car with a 21-23 gallon fuel tank that gets over 30mpg, and is avaliable with a manual transmission. Plus they tend to sell for under 3 grand! Perhaps if mercedes had made W124 wagons with a manual transmission, auxilary fuel tank, and OM602 engines. but they didn't. For long distance desert driving where irrepairale breakdowns could be a life/death thing (think central Baja) I wouldn't consider driving anything other than a Volvo personally. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 4, 2008, at 10:06 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > Hey, don't knock Volvos -- my 740 TD is the best highway car I've > every driven. Gets 31 mpg on the highway and 29 or so in town or > mixed, too! > > Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] College Costs
I absolutely agree. It's not the school you go to, but the specific professors you will be taking classes from and working with that matters. If you can get a job working with/for a professor in the field you're interested in: -You can work to pay your way through school and graduate nearly debt free -You can graduate with 4+ years of work experience in your field, which will drastically improve your chances of getting a good job and/ or getting into grad school This is common knowledge to grad students, but I think it applies equally to undergraduate work. I went to Oregon State (about $2,000/term tuition) and graduated after 4 years with less than $10K in debt, and several years of relevant work experience in one of the top labs in my field, which landed me an excellent job immediately. I was able to make enough to live from, and pay most of my tuition, books, and fees from the student research job. If I had instead gone to an ivy league school I could be 100k in debt with no work experience and still looking for a job. Sincerely, Tyler On Sep 4, 2008, at 9:19 PM, John Robbins wrote: > I just don't understand why people pay high dollar for the "Ivy" > schools. For the vast majority of people, there is no reason to spend > that kind of money... I think I got a pretty good education from a > state school, and it was DIRT cheap. I also don't understand the > small > school thing either. If you find a larger school that has the same > student/teacher ratio you're no better off either way. Except your > wallet. > > When I co-oped I had some friends that went to Georgia Tech. Almost > all > of their senior level engineering classes were still in the 50+ > student > range. MSU's is around 15 students. I only had 2-3 classes during my > entire degree with more than 50 students. They have lots of student > loans, I have none. I also had plenty of opportunities for > undergraduate research In fact, thats how I have my current job. > > MS State Tuition cost/semester: $2600 > > Yes, there are only two zeros in those numbers. MSU estimates that it > costs $16k a year to attend. That INCLUDES, room and board, full meal > plans, books, and estimated living expenses. > > http://www.futurestudents.msstate.edu/choice/cost/ > > If you are a grad student and get a Teaching/Research Assistant > position > (not very difficult), you get a monthly stipend (8-16k a year) and > free > tuition. > > My opinionated $.02 > > John 'the MSU cheerleader' R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo
A 240 should never ping on (R+M)/2=87 octane fuel. I'd first check the timing, and air/fuel mixture (via O2 sensor). If those are correct, then I'd do a "seafoam treatment" (search on turbobricks.com for instructions) and install a new set of factory temp NGK copper spark plugs. If you're still getting pinging after that, check the knock sensor (if you have one- depending on year/model), and the engine compression. If the compression is too high, that's a good indication of carbon. It's pretty easy to pull the head and clean off the carbon on a 240, if seafoam and italian tune-ups aren't enough. I forget if the late 80s-early 90s N/A 240s have a knock sensor or not. My 1987 740 Turbo has one, and I always run it on 87 octane. Even pulling a trailer up a steep grade in 110 degree heat, I don't get any knocking, or notice any difference in fuel economy or performance between 87 and 91 octane. Volvo does recommend using 91 octane under certain conditions (high temperatures, steep grades, etc.) but this is just to give an extra margin of safety. If you're getting pinging on 87 octane something is wrong. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote: > I also get pinging on my 91 volvo 240 even on slight uphill pulls. > If I > agree that it should not ping, what specific steps do I take to find > out and > then remedy the problem? > > Jerry > 82 240D (Now sold)I ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo
You shouldn't get any pinging on 87 unless there's something wrong (carboned up? wrong temp spark plugs? advanced timing?). I've never had pinging issues running 87 in my Volvos, even on turbo models (at stock boost anyways). Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 2, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > I took my new acquisition, a 1990 Volvo 240DL, on a trip this > weekend. We drove to Springfield, Missouri. It was about a 650 > mile trip and I got 26.2 MPG driving 70-75. The car performed > perfectly. I have noticed that if I use 87 octane, I get some > pinging. I put 89 in and it cleared right up. Great car. > > Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Latest Westfalia
I know quite a few people with TDIs in their westfalias and vanagons, and they fit very well. In fact, they basically bolt in if you get the correct parts. VW used to sell diesel vanagons with the 1.6 liter here in the USA, and in some countries they sold vanagons with a turbocharged inline 5 2 liter engine, which is quite a bit larger than the tdi. My friend Justin does vanagon TDI conversions professionally: http://www.greaseworks.org/tdivanagon Also take a look at the amazong conversions this guy does: http://www.hasenwerk.ca/syncrortdi/default.shtml I'd love to have one, but I can't seem to justify spending the money even to build one myself. It would want to do it with a syncro westy, with the goal of having essentially an all terrain motorhome that got 30mpg! Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 28, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Tyler Backman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'd do a TDI > > I adore the TDI engine, but it's always seemed to me like a kludge to > put an inline engine in an engine bay designed for a boxer, since the > shapes are so different. Don't you have to either modify the engine > lid, ruining the nice long flat cargo area (which is one of the > Vanagon's great features), or mount the engine really low, ruining > ground clearance? > > Maybe you could wait for the diesel Subarus that are coming here in > '09... > > Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The Latest Westfalia
I'd do a TDI Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 28, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > If I win the lottery I'm buying one of those Vanagon Westies and then > getting a Subaru engine put in it. > > Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb Car
I love the "fuel injector, head gasket or head" as if those three conditions had the same symptoms Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 26, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > uh yea, I guess so > > Luther wrote: >> Didn't we go through this sickness in another thread??? :) >> >> Luther >> >> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: >>> I have already been in contact with them, they are supposed to send >>> pics. Will probably be buying it next weekend. >>> >>> Rick Knoble wrote: >>> Sorry Kaleb, I had to post this one. I will buy it off of you after you fix the glow plugs and make sure this a-hole hasn't blown the head off of it. http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/cto/812101910.html Not Mine, No Affiliation, ect. Rick Knoble '87 190DT '85 300CD >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1635 - Release Date: >> 8/26/2008 7:29 AM >> >> >> > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, > 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, > 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Substitute
I had to pay some $100 for a course pack about a year ago. It was a stack of 40 poorly photocopied sheets of paper, some of which were illegible. It came with a disclaimer that said "to protect the student and professor, no refunds will will be issued after this course pack has been opened." They refused to refund my money despite my claim that the material was illegible, and I didn't feel like going to small claims court with the campus bookstore Also, I was able to find free copies of almost all of the content in the packet online, and at the library. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 25, 2008, at 9:51 AM, dave walton wrote: > There has been a migration to requiring "Course Packs". These are > reprints of articles and notes required in addition to the textbooks. > Interestingly, many of them are authored by the professors teaching > the course and come with a hefty copyright fee. Too bad professors > have not heard about the free distribution medium now available called > the Internet. > > -Dave Walton > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
We found a fijian store in Portland, OR that sells it. It's interesting, but I'd say it tastes like muddy water, other than the numbness/tingling. I'm sure I'd eventually began to like it if I drank as much as they apparently do in the villages! So which corps re-entry group were you in? I'd join if I could get my wife to go with me, but she's busy with graduate school. Tyler On Aug 22, 2008, at 11:12 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: > You will enjoy the kava once you get used to it. It looks like well- > used > dishwater but tastes like a blend of Lavoris and white pepper. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
You're right, they're a village, not a tribe. Sounds like you'd know a lot more about this than I do! I've never even been to Fiji, but I hope to go over to attend his wedding next year. The village has a diesel generator which they don't really use because they can't afford fuel for it, and don't have vehicles to get the fuel with. I'm hoping to help them make their own fuel for the generator from coconut oil either as biodiesel or SVO On Aug 22, 2008, at 10:01 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: > There are no "remote tribes" in Fiji (I was there as a PCV for 3+ > years). > > There are remote villages, but when I was there the indigenous > Fijians were > never considered pas belonging to different "tribes". Several PCVs > in my > vintage married local girls, of varying ethnicity (Indian, Fijian, > Chinese, > and mixed race).. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5
I'm fairly impressed by the dry traction so far, but I don't need to worry about wet and/or snow traction since I live in the desert. I think they're a hard-composite tire marketed mostly to OEMs for improved fuel economy, and reduce tread wear. I use my car mostly for long distance freeway driving in very hot weather. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 21, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Those didnt seem to have a very good traction rating on tirerack > > Tyler Backman wrote: >> As far as I can tell they stopped making the OEM Conti tread pattern. >> I had them on my 190DT, but needed to replace 2 of them, and nobody >> could find a matching set. I now have 2 195/65HR-15 Michelin Energy >> MXV4 S8 tires and two of the OEM style Contis. When the Contis wear >> out, I will be using all Michelin MXV4s. they were only $85 each >> on tirerack.com (no affiliation). >> >> Tyler >> >> On Aug 21, 2008, at 2:42 PM, larry turner wrote: >> >>> I put new tires on my 300D 2.5T a month or so ago. I got 4 >>> Continental >>> ContiProContact and absolutely love them!! Great in the wet, dry, >>> quiet, >>> yada, yada - >>> >>> However, m,y son just bought Kuhmo's for his MB - a 78 240D - so >>> performance >>> is not an issue. >>> >>> Anyway - my vote is for the Conti's -- Good luck -- >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1626 - Release Date: >> 8/21/2008 6:54 PM >> >> >> > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, > 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
Allan, I never said it was a "garden of eden." I've lived (for short periods of time) with indigenous people in both north america, and southeast asia, and I have slept in the jungle without a mosquito net in asia and the yucatan. My best friend has been living with a remote tribe in Fiji for two years as part of peace corps, and is now marrying a woman from the tribe and got his time extended. On Aug 21, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > >> What you call a "wild animal existence" isn't as horrible as most >> people from our "civilized" society imagine. It's very different >> (and not without serious disadvantages and shortcomings), but not >> inherently inferior. I know a few people from "civilized" society >> whom have gone to live with indigenous peoples to do humanitarian or >> environmental work, and decided they preferred living that way and >> didn't want to come back to "civilized" society. > > Neither is it the garden of eden you seem to think it is. Hey if you > want to go live in a hut in the jungle and swat mosquitoes all night > and hope you don't get malaria because we're not allowed to use DDT > anymore (a decision that has probably killed more humans than all the > wars of the 20th century combined), be my guest. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Tires for 300D 2.5
As far as I can tell they stopped making the OEM Conti tread pattern. I had them on my 190DT, but needed to replace 2 of them, and nobody could find a matching set. I now have 2 195/65HR-15 Michelin Energy MXV4 S8 tires and two of the OEM style Contis. When the Contis wear out, I will be using all Michelin MXV4s. they were only $85 each on tirerack.com (no affiliation). Tyler On Aug 21, 2008, at 2:42 PM, larry turner wrote: > I put new tires on my 300D 2.5T a month or so ago. I got 4 > Continental > ContiProContact and absolutely love them!! Great in the wet, dry, > quiet, > yada, yada - > > However, m,y son just bought Kuhmo's for his MB - a 78 240D - so > performance > is not an issue. > > Anyway - my vote is for the Conti's -- Good luck -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OR--leopard borked me
Clay, What type of upgrade did you do? A *real* upgrade, or "archive and install?" In my experience the upgrade almost never works, because it keeps around old drivers and software in the OS that aren't compatible with the new version. Some simple driver such as a network VPN client can keep Leopard from booting. Generally when I do an OS upgrade, I buy a new hard drive and put the old one into an external case as a backup. I do a clean install, and then copy back the applications and user accounts from the command line with cp -a, setting up the permissions by hand with chown/chgrp after making the same accounts with the control panel. I doubt it's a disk space issue, because it won't let you install unless there's enough space. You know it's not a logic board issue if you can still boot from a CD or external firewire drive. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 20, 2008, at 6:27 PM, clay monroe wrote: > Upgraded sawtooth G4 with 1gig ram, dual 120gig drives, 1.4ghz cpu, > 10.4.11 updating to leopard. Went fine until it rebooted and then > the computer just shuts down. Needed 12 gig for install. Install > disk had 25 gig available.Using logged startup, so I see sort of > what happens, but before I can read the error, it just shuts down. > Maybe 25 lines or so. > > Any ideas? > > Lack of disk space? Borked the logic board? > > > HELP > > > clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
Now we have gotten past the semantics, to the real philosophical disagreement :) > ... living on whatever food you can find, or eeking out a living > raising crops on a small plot of land, hoping there's not a drought > this year, living long enough to hopefully reproduce at least a few > offspring since infant mortality is in the ballpark of 50%, reaching > age 45 or so if you're lucky... Sustainable in the sense that your > species continues to exist, i guess pretty much a "wild animal" > existence... You are illustrating a fundamental philosophical difference between our culture and that of cultures that live sustainably. Our society believes that we somehow are able to exist as an isolated entity without dependence on the natural environment for survival. We have an illusion that it's our own sheer will and ability to control and manipulate nature that keeps us alive, as opposed to seeing ourselves as a member of an ecological community for whom we depend on. This different world-view results in two totally different systems of environmental ethics, and two different ways of interacting with the natural environment. We either abuse and exploit it, or "protect" it such that we can't use it's resources at all, while they use the resources responsibly. I believe that this difference in world-view is what makes a sustainable society different from ours, and needs to change if we are going to avoid wiping ourselves out. You also mentioned that our society is "thriving and continually improving [its] standard of living." This is something that is impossible to prove unless you experience it firsthand, but the overall happiness and quality of life is often higher for most indigenous people that that of people in industrialized society, despite higher mortality disease and short life-spans. What use is a big expensive house, and excellent medical care when we have high depression rates and the people in our culture are just generally unhappy? We constantly strive for more technology, money, and material possessions in hope that it will give us a level of contentment with our lives that they already have without such things. Perhaps that's why they never felt the need to develop them? I don't think this is because indigenous people are "noble savages" but because there is something fundamentally wrong with our culture that conflicts with the way our minds work, and the way we evolved to live. What you call a "wild animal existence" isn't as horrible as most people from our "civilized" society imagine. It's very different (and not without serious disadvantages and shortcomings), but not inherently inferior. I know a few people from "civilized" society whom have gone to live with indigenous peoples to do humanitarian or environmental work, and decided they preferred living that way and didn't want to come back to "civilized" society. Also, most indigenous cultures are not without agriculture, technology, or medicine. Depending on where and how they live, many indigenous people are able to obtain everything they need for survival in a much smaller portion of their time than it takes most people in industrialized society to make a living, leaving a lot of time for developing art, technology, medicine, and just enjoying life and spending time with your family/community. They're not making computers, but I think you'll find that many indigenous people have found ingenious ways to get food that take up very little of their time, and have discovered a wide variety of medicines (many modern pharmaceuticals were discovered based on herbal remedies used by indigenous people). Many also have developed ways to store water and preserve food to mitigate the effects of environmental fluctuations such as drought. > deliver clean water and > fresh food in abundance, defend themselves against enemies Often, the need for us to address these issues is a result of problems that could have been prevented. If you have low populations and don't pollute your water, don't wipe out natural animal and plant populations, and don't try to pick fights with your neighbors these are non-issues. The point I am trying to make isn't that we should give up our modern society and live as indigenous people, but that we should have more respect for them, and realize that there is a lot we could learn from them about how to improve our quality of life and to live sustainably. In return, they could also benefit from our medicine, and technology without abandoning their culture. We are essentially at war with our natural environment, and on a path to quickly wipe ourselves out unless we learn from our mistakes and make some major changes to how we live. On Aug 20, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Allan Streib wrote: >> For example, say (hypothetically) that you are member of a small >> tribe in the Amazon that has been living off the l
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
That's why I wrote the post that clarified the difference between sustainable and immortal. There's too many different definitions of the word sustainable to use it without an accompanying clarification IMO. Tyler On Aug 20, 2008, at 11:22 PM, clay monroe wrote: > No society is truly sustainable for any great length of time. Stuff > happens, people and cultures rise and fall. Big winds or waters > sweep the land and mess with life. Most of the indigenous peoples > have figured out a manner to survive these catastrophes as a whole, > but still the Maya, Anasazi, egyptians, zulu, ad infinitum are gone > as dominant cultures > > clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
I don't think he meant that the planet could stop existing, but rather that we could stop existing if we don't live sustainably. Tyler On Aug 20, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> The planet, obviously. Of course, in the ideal Fairtax world we can >> all strive to earn and KEEP enough $$s to afford our own personal >> planet. > > News flash, the planet is not going anywhere no matter what we do. > And if it is, we can't stop it. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
I suppose it depends on your definition of sustainability, but I don't think it makes any sense to lump that in. By my definition, a sustainable way of living doesn't necessarily include an ability to mitigate risks from major unforeseen events, but rather an ability to continue to exist in the absence of them. For example, say (hypothetically) that you are member of a small tribe in the Amazon that has been living off the land in the same way for thousands of generations, and suddenly the Portuguese arrive with guns, and half your tribe dies from diseases for which you have no immunity, and the other half is enslaved to plant sugar cane to send back to Portugal. Does this mean that you never had a sustainable way of life? If you say no, perhaps either you or I should use a different word than "Sustainable" to go with our definition, because we're clearly not talking about the same thing. Tyler On Aug 20, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > > Is not the defense of your tribe/village/country against enemies an > element of sustainability? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
Essentially the entire world was covered by indigenous societies, already living at the maximum sustainable carrying capacity of the land (for how they lived) until the Neolithic Revolution in the middle east from which eventually came cultures that spread around the world forcefully wiping out other cultures by various means (violence, disease, etc.) both intentionally and non-intentionally. Interestingly, very few indigenous cultures have ceased to exist because it's members decided to adopt another way of life on their own free will. There is a distinction between sustainable and immortal. A sustainable culture is not immortal can still be wiped out by external forces such as natural disasters, and other people. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of indigenous cultures that have wiped themselves out because of non-sustainable ways of life, but there are also thousands who did not (the ones that existed for tens of thousands of years, and have been only recently wiped out). Nevertheless, many indigenous cultures still exist around the world, although they are still disappearing rapidly. The United Nations estimates that there are about 300 million indigenous people living in the world today (about the population of the United States) in their traditional manner. I realize that the term "indigenous" is somewhat vague, and this number probably changes rapidly depending on your definition of the word. Tyler On Aug 20, 2008, at 11:45 AM, Allan Streib wrote: > "Tyler Backman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> Does that clarify what I mean by sustainable, what exactly is being >> sustained, and why? > > Not really, because if the primitive "indigenous" lifestyle is > sustainable, then why do so few of these societies still exist? It > seems that they are by their absence NOT sustainable > > Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A new kind of Illinois politician
I wasn't complaining about what I didn't read. You said you agree with the particular paragraph you quoted. I misunderstood you, if what you actually meant is that you agreed with his whole platform. Barack Obama is using the same way of talking, trying to tell people it's "time for a change" in vague words to get them to (often erroneously) associate the things they personally want changed with his platform. It reminds me of the politician that visits in the first book of the Foundation series. Tyler On Aug 20, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Tyler Backman wrote: >> There's nothing to disagree with. It can be summed up like this: >> >> "I don't like everything the people in congress are doing. If you >> don't either, vote for me because I'll do something different." >> >> He doesn't even hint at what he's unhappy about, or would do >> differently. > > Not in that one paragraph I quoted. If I quote one paragraph from > Barry > Hussein's web page that states a 'need for change', without stating > what needs > changing or how he intends to change it, will you make the same > remarks that you > just made about Stevo? > > If you want to complain about what you didn't read on Stevo's web > page, why > don't you try reading it first? > http://www.stevoforcongress.com/issues/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] A new kind of Illinois politician
There's nothing to disagree with. It can be summed up like this: "I don't like everything the people in congress are doing. If you don't either, vote for me because I'll do something different." He doesn't even hint at what he's unhappy about, or would do differently. He could be thinking "I'm upset that congress doesn't require everybody to dye their hair blue, and I'm going to get elected and fix that." Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 20, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Here's a quote from a Illinois Congressional candidate's campaign > site. I must > say I agree with every word: > > > Why am I running > As voters, we have become dissatisfied with the options we are left > with on the > day of the election. Too often, we have spent our time voting for > the lesser of > two evils, rather than anyone whose ideas truly inspire us. > Sometimes, we just > vote against someone who's just really terrible, holding our noses > and saying > "Anyone would be better than that other guy!" It's a disappointing > state of > affairs that the two parties have left us in. Can't a country like > ours with its > human capital and resources, come up with something better than the > hucksters we > have in Congress? I don't know. Once they get elected, it seems to > only take a > few months before they are shaped into a Washington politician. It's > time for us > to either stop caring, or to get more involved. I'm not ready to > stop caring. > Are you? Please take some time to learn more about my ideas for a > better government. > > http://www.stevoforcongress.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
I'm not quite sure what you're asking. It's sustainable in that most indigenous peoples (the ones that are still around) have found a way to use their natural resources almost indefinitely without depleting them, and consequently wiping themselves out. Any culture that has been living almost the same way for thousands of years must have found a way to use it's resources sustainably, or else it would have wiped itself out long ago, as my (our?) society is working on doing. I define sustainability in terms of three factors: cultural, economic, and environmental. Cultural sustainability means that a culture is able to continue to exist with regard to its own value system (things it wishes to stay the same do so). Economic sustainability means that the people are able to maintain sufficient economic prosperity to survive. Environmental sustainability means that the environment and ecosystem isn't being destroyed or changed in ways that eliminate the resources people need to obtain food, water, and shelter. A sustainable way of living needs to be sustainable with regard to all 3 factors, which are inter-related, and can't exist without one another. Does that clarify what I mean by sustainable, what exactly is being sustained, and why? Tyler On Aug 20, 2008, at 10:44 AM, Allan Streib wrote: > "Tyler Backman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> There is a single proven sustainable way to live on our planet: >> the way that indigenous peoples have been living around the world >> for thousands of years. > > Sustainable for who (or what?). Not the people > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The Vista disaster continues for Microsoft
I'd say it's the performance of the hardware that makes your sons new HP laptop run vista well (rather than the quality). Vista is so bloated and slow that it requires all of the resources of the fastest new computers to just perform basic tasks like web browsing. A truly excellent operating system (OpenBSD is a good example) uses a miniscule portion of system resources to just run, leaving the rest of your system free to do the tasks you assign it to. I can run the latest version of OpenBSD on my Sun SparcStation LX made in the late 80s. It has only 24mb of ram, a 200mb hard drive, and a (50? mhz) slow cpu. It runs fast enough to serve a modern web page to multiple users, and route a 1 megabit internet connection to multiple computers at the same time. Imagine how much resources it must leave free for further use on a new computer that literally has over 200 times the system resources available! Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 20, 2008, at 9:57 AM, R A Bennell wrote: > I think that one of the issues may be the quality of the hardware. > My elder son is using a new HP laptop with Vista > and he likes it fine. We were a bit concerned when we got it and > wondered if we ought to just reload XP but he > decided to try it and says it has worked fine for the past 3 mnths > or so. > > Randy > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Difference on Taxes
Clay, You have an unstated premise in your arguments: That the purpose of human life is to contribute to economic prosperity, and the value of each persons life is proportional to their relative contribution. This is an inherently flawed way of looking at it, because economic systems are tools developed by people to improve their lives, not the other way around. An economic system has no value unless it's providing a benefit to humans, but humans still can have intrinsic value without providing a benefit to economic systems. This type of thinking is what leads to justification of gross injustice (see the Summers memo at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summers_Memo) . Nevertheless, it's clear that our planet is far above it's sustainable carrying capacity, at least with the levels of resource consumption people currently have (see http://jclahr.com/bartlett/). That still doesn't give you a right to play god by using your own value system to decide who lives or dies. I highly suggest reading the writings of Professor Albert A. Bartlett (see previous url) for some insight into the causes and solutions to the overpopulation problem that don't involve you becoming king of the world and executing people based on their relative economic contributions. Also, these people that you say aren't "keep[ing] the economy chugging along" and should be "let go" are also likely consuming much less resources, and contributing less to both global warming and over- consumption of resources than those who are. By your own logic (which I want to be clear that I disagree with) you are choosing the wrong group of people to "let go." There is a single proven sustainable way to live on our planet: the way that indigenous peoples have been living around the world for thousands of years. I am guessing that the people that you say are "smart, well fed, well resourced people" are living the least like the indigenous peoples, and are contributing the most to the problem. If I've misunderstood what you're saying please let me know, but it comes across as self-contradictory the way I'm reading it. Sincerely, Tyler On Aug 19, 2008, at 5:52 PM, Redghost wrote: > come on Luther! There are 6.x BILLION humans around. How many of > the 300 million Americans are actually holding down a job that serves > to make the nation better or even keeps the economy chugging along? > I am thinking there are a few million folks on the mainland that > could be let go and we would not even feel a hiccough in the national > fabric. Could have a huge rebound effect on the amount of funds > needed to support them that is now available for roads, schools, > infrastructure upgrades or defense. Could pay teachers and nurses a > decent wage for the work they do to strengthen our kids and health > care. Just think, SMART and HEALTHY citizens! > > What of the drain all the underproductive people worldwide are > having? Can these african nations truly support millions of starving > people? Can the Amazon support all the folks going in to clear, > burn, and leave sterile after a few years? Can the world support > that kind of abuse and not have a very bad reaction down the road? > All this whining about global climate change is not going to quiet > down until there are fewer humans suckling at the drying out teat. > > When business and such goes bad in your town, most folks just pick up > and move on to where there are resources to support them. Where is > that place now? Not China. Not India, Not Africa. Not even Latin > America. You plan on heading north to Canada when the heat gets > unbearable? I am sure a couple hundred million other citizens are > looking at that too. Sadly the land there will not support such an > influx of refugees. This planet does not even support the current > population and we continue to spew more people out. > > The rich will continue to prosper and the poor will breed themselves > into horrors we have not seen on a global scale. Soon enough there > will not be enough smart, well fed, well resourced people left to > keep the global economy in motion. Then there will be a massive > collapse and what you feel is moral will be about as important as the > dust in a holed bucket. > > I really like the way my life is going and do not wish any of the > horrors I have seen afflict my fellow man. I am realistic enough to > acknowledge that what I want is really insignificant in the grand > scope of the universe. At any given time there is just so much to go > around. When it is gone, it is gone and you have to pass GO to get > anymore. > > clay > > > On 19 Aug 2008, at 15:54, Luther wrote: > >> You, my friend, might be one of those that needs to be shipped off to >> your own "Soylent Green Factory" since your brain has ceased to use >> logic. Sometimes your logic works and is ok, but when you are way >> off >> base and far out in your radicalism, you are beyond help. >
[MBZ] Cool Fuel Economy site
I found a new web site (no affiliation) that lets you share your vehicle fuel economy, and see others. There's a few Benzes on it, including mine: http://www.fuelly.com/driver/casioqv/190d-2 Other than a C220 with a (probably wrong?) 55mpg, mine appears to be the only MBZ that gets over 30mpg so far. They *force* you to calculate it properly, by entering mileage and volume. I'm really interested to see the results once a lot of diesel benzes get uploaded, with long-term fuel economy history. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W201 190D Transmission vacuum diagram/advice needed
Interesting! So I guess mercedes themselves eventually decided that the vacuum amplifier was unnecessarily complicated? If so, that settles it. I'll keep it this way :) Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 19, 2008, at 12:17 PM, John Robbins wrote: > Tyler Backman wrote: >> I bypassed the amplifier, and connected the modulator directly to the >> IP valve. It now shifts *almost* perfectly, and I can use it this way >> until I can get my hands on another amplifier. > > My '92 2.5T hooks directly into the IP from the factory. Mine needs a > little bit of adjustment (shifts a little harsh), but I don't think > you'd have any problems just ditching that complex vacuum amplifier > system if what you have is working. > > John > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W201 190D Transmission vacuum diagram/advice needed
That is very helpful! I will try to get the Mercedes Manual. Alex Chamberlain (to whom I'm very grateful) sent me the necessary pages from the W124 manual. I found that all of my inputs to the vacuum amplifier aka "blue flying saucer" were correct, but it still maintained too much vacuum at the transmission modulator, so I bypassed the amplifier, and connected the modulator directly to the IP valve. It now shifts *almost* perfectly, and I can use it this way until I can get my hands on another amplifier. Interestingly, mine does produce the correct output when I simulate the correct input, but it responds too slow, taking 5 or more seconds to reach the correct modulator pressure, which is pretty useless when you consider that the car reaches cruising speed at WOT in not much over 5 seconds. Does anyone have a used vacuum amplifier aka "blue flying saucer" for sale? It would need to be from a turbocharged car (I think) so that it would properly respond to the boost signal from my 190D Turbo, but I'd bet any unit from a 1986+ W124 or W126 turbo diesel would work. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Aug 17, 2008, at 1:38 PM, Robert Bigham wrote: > Hello Tyler > > If you don't have it figured out by now, maybe this will help: MBZ > published a separate > manual on the automatic transmission, ora at least they did on the > 123. Transmission > models are 722.2, 722.4, and like that. There's a boss on the case > with the model number > stamped on it. > > Failing the Mercedes Manual, try Automatic Transmission Service > Group (ATSG), who publish > overhaul manuals which surely must contain the information you are > seeking. Cost is > reasonable, like maye $15 plus mailing cost. > > Good luck. > >> 6. W201 190D Transmission vacuum diagram/advice needed >> (Tyler Backman) > >> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:08:17 -0700 >> From: Tyler Backman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> WROTE >> Subject: [MBZ] W201 190D Transmission vacuum diagram/advice needed >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> I have a 1987 190D Turbo, and the previous owners mechanic >> brilliantly >> "solved" a transmission control vacuum leak by hooking the >> transmission modulator directly to the vacuum pump, so it flared/ >> slipped like crazy but didn't shift harshly. I'm trying to reconnect >> everything properly, but can't seem to find a diagram that shows me >> what each port is on the vacuum amplifier, injector pump leak valve, >> etc. I have the Mercedes W201 manual CD, but it appears to make no >> mention of the transmission or vacuum system at all (which I find >> rather weird). Does anyone know where I could get this info? Even a >> W124 manual would be helpful! >> >> By "guess and check" I was able to get it working somewhat, but >> pressure at the transmission modulator still doesn't drop to 0psi at >> WOT, and I'm a bit worried that I'm going to fry my transmission if I >> drive it with too much vacuum at the modulator. >> >> I have to drive over 300 miles tomorrow, so I'm hoping to sort this >> out tonight :( >> >> Tyler >> > Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman Senior Bioinformatics Analyst Institute for Integrative Genome Biology (IIGB) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1007 Noel T. Keen Hall University of California Riverside, CA 92521 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plugs
I've never seen an 80s Volvo run well for more than a week with Platinum plugs. Their fuel systems (especially on turbo or k-jet models) tend to run rich, which fouls the platinum plugs. Maybe a late 80s non-turbo model (lh 2.4 or newer) would run OK with platinum plugs. The Bosch copper plugs leak combustion gasses, which will destroy the plug wires. Tyler On Aug 15, 2008, at 3:52 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Donald Snook wrote: >> What brand of spark plugs should I use in my Volvo. NGK, Champion, >> Autolite, or AC Delco. The price difference is negligible. I have >> no idea what Volvo uses. >> > > I used to use Bosch Super, NGK, or ND. Then about 20 years ago I > went to Bosch > Platinum. Seems like Bosch stuff isn't made in Germany any more and > they are > trying to replace Lucas as Europe's quality laggard. The last set I > bought were > NGK platinum G-power. Much cheaper than Iridium, I got eight of them > for about > $27, ordered last weekend received Wednesday from Parts Authority. > Volvo: > http://www.amazon.com/NGK-7084-Bpr6Egp-Spark-Plugs/dp/B000COVN9Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1218840486&sr=8-1 > 5.4 Ferd: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000COX484/ref=dp_olp_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1218840475&sr=8-1 > > Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Plugs
Use NGK copper plugs, at the correct factory temperature rating. Some people use Bosch plugs, but they are crap IMO. They tend to leak exhaust gasses past the crimp on the insulator. Tyler On Aug 15, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Donald Snook wrote: > What brand of spark plugs should I use in my Volvo. NGK, Champion, > Autolite, or AC Delco. The price difference is negligible. I have > no idea what Volvo uses. > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W201 190D Transmission vacuum diagram/advice needed
The 124 FSM pages on adjusting the transmission would be very helpful! If you can send them I would be very grateful. I do have a W201 manual on adjusting the throttle linkage. It's weird, but I tried adjusting the valve on the IP to both extremes, and couldn't notice any difference in how the transmission shifted, or how the vacuum responded regardless of how I adjusted it. Thanks, Tyler On Aug 15, 2008, at 2:11 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Tyler Backman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have the vacuum amplifier unit, which as far as I can tell "builds" >> the modulator output from 3 inputs: turbo boost, IP valve/regulator, >> and vacuum pump vacuum. What I don't know is: >> -Which hose connects to which port on the amplifier? >> -How do I know if the IP valve/regulator is adjusted properly, and >> how >> do I adjust it? >> -How do I know if the modulator on the transmission itself is >> adjusted >> properly, and how do I adjust it? > > Tyler, if you haven't figured it out by then, when I get home tonight > (in about six hours) I will be happy to look at the setup of my '87 > which I imagine is pretty similar to yours (though it's a 603 engine), > and tell you what line goes where. > > I can email you the PDFs from the 124 FSM that explain adjustment of > the IP valve and modulator, but I can tell you from experience that > there is not much point in messing with the IP valve unless you have > the accelerator linkages adjusted by the book---the whole system is > interdependent and you have to start in the right place or you'll just > be chasing your tail making repeated adjustments that throw something > else off. > > Try searching on the mercedesshop.com forums for "87 300D transmission > adjustment' or some such---since there are a lot more '87 W124 diesels > than '87 201 diesels like yours out there, there is likely to be more > info. I know there are some pretty helpful threads on there. > > Alex Chamberlain > '87 300D Turbo et al. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W201 190D Transmission vacuum diagram/advice needed
I have the vacuum amplifier unit, which as far as I can tell "builds" the modulator output from 3 inputs: turbo boost, IP valve/regulator, and vacuum pump vacuum. What I don't know is: -Which hose connects to which port on the amplifier? -How do I know if the IP valve/regulator is adjusted properly, and how do I adjust it? -How do I know if the modulator on the transmission itself is adjusted properly, and how do I adjust it? I *think* I have it hooked up properly, but no matter how I set the IP valve/regulator, it's pressure never drops below 2psi at WOT (I heard it's supposed to hit 0psi), and the pressure at the modulator never drops below 10psi (I heard it's supposed to hit 0psi also). If I disconnect the IP valve/regulator so that it's input is 0psi, then the pressure at the transmission modulator drops to 5psi (what it should at 0psi of boost), but it takes quite a while to do so, probably longer than it should??!! If I can't get ahold of a factory manual or anything, I might try to make some sort of "bleed off" system, so that the IP valve/regulator hits 0psi at WOT. I wish mercedes had just used a simple kickdown cable system like every other diesel vehicle with an automatic :( On the bright side, if my efforts are wasted and I cannot fix the vacuum system before my transmission self-destructs, I will have justification to do a manual swap. Thanks, Tyler On Aug 15, 2008, at 1:22 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Seems like there was a tranny shop which has vac diagrams on their > web page. > At any rate, the tranny vac must go through a vac regulator on the > IP, attached > to the throttle linkage. If it's not obvious how to fix it, you > would be better > off driving 300 miles with no tranny vacuum than with a slipping > tranny. > > Mitch. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W201 190D Transmission vacuum diagram/advice needed
I have a 1987 190D Turbo, and the previous owners mechanic brilliantly "solved" a transmission control vacuum leak by hooking the transmission modulator directly to the vacuum pump, so it flared/ slipped like crazy but didn't shift harshly. I'm trying to reconnect everything properly, but can't seem to find a diagram that shows me what each port is on the vacuum amplifier, injector pump leak valve, etc. I have the Mercedes W201 manual CD, but it appears to make no mention of the transmission or vacuum system at all (which I find rather weird). Does anyone know where I could get this info? Even a W124 manual would be helpful! By "guess and check" I was able to get it working somewhat, but pressure at the transmission modulator still doesn't drop to 0psi at WOT, and I'm a bit worried that I'm going to fry my transmission if I drive it with too much vacuum at the modulator. I have to drive over 300 miles tomorrow, so I'm hoping to sort this out tonight :( Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT topic Volvo
When I used to live in Corvallis, OR every few months I would see a 240 with trailer lights bolted to the trunk, because the owner couldn't get the stock ones to work. I'm not sure if it's hilarious or sad. I've had good luck re-doing the plastic welds with 3M Weatherstripping adhesive, and hardwiring the lights. Tyler 87 190D Turbo 87 Volvo 740 Turbo On Aug 11, 2008, at 10:28 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: > on 8/11/08 18:20, Peter Frederick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Haha, the Volvo auto-destruct tail lamps! > > That isn't the laugh. The gut-bender is that they made those lousy > design > taillights for, lessee, at least 11 years and never fixed the basic > weak > design. This from a country with endless winters. Duh. > > Gotta give the Swedes the pigheaded never-admit-mistakes engineering > award > on that one. Of course it pretty much ties with whoever picked the > servo > climate control system for Mercedes. > > "Ah, Fritzi, Chrsyler could not make it verk, but ve vill install it > and > make millions of DM off selling ze servoes to ze dumkopf North > Amerikaners." > > Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] You CAN run a car trailer with a wheel missing off one side
That's pretty incredible! I would imagine that you'd need a *lot* of tongue weight for the trailer to balance that way. Any pics of the 190D? Tyler On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > So Im headed to St Louis saturday to deliver a car, and pick up a VERY > nice 84 190D I bought. I get maybe 30 miles from home when I notice > lots of vibration. Crap. flat tire on the trailer. Pull over on the > turnpike, yep, its shredded. No problem, I have a spare but may get > killed changing the thing. Get it jacked up, pull the wheel. CRAP, > spare wont fit. Now what to do? Well, I figured hell with it, I let > the jack down with the wheel off on that side. Amazing, the other > wheel > holds the other wheeless axle about an inch off the ground. I limp > it to > the next town about 10 miles away and get a used tire put on at a tire > shop. Tire was almost worn out but better than nothing. No more > problems after that. Should have taken pictures, Im sure that was a > sight to behold. > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, > 87 300SDL x2, 86 560SL, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 85 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT topic Volvo
You can hardwire the taillights, and do away with the crappy circuit board: http://www.k-jet.org/articles/projects/hard-wiring-tail-lights/ For some reason, wagons have hard-wired taillights, and sedans have those crappy boards from the factory. Tyler On Aug 11, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > I got the new Volvo and spent Saturday getting it all detailed. I > love the car! It looks great and runs great. I am excited to see > what kind of mileage I get. The only problem it has is a problem > with the brake lights. I knew about the problem when I bought the > car. The tail lights have this goofy printed circuit board that > powers the bulbs for the taillights, reverse lights, turn signals > and brake lights. Part of the taillights work, the turn signals > work, but the brake lights don't work (except the third high mounted > light). Evidently, the printed circuit board goes bad on these cars > when they get some age. I used contact cleaner to at least get the > taillights to work. I found new complete taillight assemblies on > ebay for less than $50 per side. So, as soon as I get that > installed everything will be perfect. It really is a nice car - > especially for $1400 with all of the service records, cold air, and > great paint. > > It is definitely smaller than my previous cars. My shoulders touch > the door frame, but I will get used to it. > > Donald H. Snook > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo 240
Having owned every year of Volvo 240 made except 91, 92, and 93 (seriously), I have to disagree with some of what you said. Most of the problems with the early 80s 240s (cheap interiors, falling of trim, bad wiring) didn't exist on the early 1975-1979 models. I would say that those were the best ones made, and the build quality fell from 1980 to 1987, and then started to rise again from 88 to 93, but still never approaching that of the early ones. The blower motor *is* easy to replace if you know the trick. I can do one in about 30 minutes by cutting the side panels on the heater box in half, and reinstalling them in 2 sections, sealing it with heater duct metal tape. Even the hard way, it's easier than a W115 blower. Regarding the cam profile and horsepower on the early model cars- I think it's the opposite of what you said. The later B230 engines had a high torque, low horsepower cam which *feels* more powerful for normal driving, especially with an automatic. The late 70s B21 engines, especially the canadian models had a very hot "A" and "K" cams had a very rough idle and were gutless below 4,000 rpm, but pulled VERY strong from 4,000-6500rpm. Many of these cars were without overdrive and had high rear end ratios, and were simply designed to run at high rpms all of the time. I am pretty certain that a B21 with an A or K cam would beat a late 80s 240 equipped with a B230 and an M cam in an actual drag race, especially since the early cars are lighter. Tyler Steve wrote: > They are basically good cars that by 1990 had been pretty well > sorted out (about time, seeing as they made their debut in Europe in > late 1974). You will find trim pieces (both interior and exterior) > break easily and are generally way inferior to Mercedes. Exterior > trim bits are insanely expensive from dealers. Look on eVilBay. > Drivetrain is excellent. Not that slow at all, that reputation is a > leftover from some of the 1980s models that were imported with an > anemic 2.1 liter motor with a weak cam profile. If the car is > sluggish you may want to gently put it through some Italian-tuneup > workouts, as some Volvo owners are chronic slugs and the motor may > be full of gunk. Unfortunately all Bosch injection parts are now > very expensive. Other than that the only major OUCH is replacement > of the blower motor, which was apparently the first thing bolted to > the chassis on the assembly line. Not hard in terms of competence, > just requires removal of most of the dash. Not a hard car to work on > but you will find things are not quite as well thought out as on a > Mercedes. Cheers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvo 240
I think that they're the most durable cars ever made. You can reasonably expect to get 500k to a million miles if you maintain it properly, even if driven hard and used on poor quality roads. They're not however incredibly cheap to drive (due to fairly poor fuel economy by 190d standards at least), or reliable (mostly due to electrical corrosion issues which can be prevented). Turbobricks.com is the site I would reccomend. The performance is acceptable as long as you avoid the non-turbo automatic transmission models, and the non-turbo diesels. IMO the ideal RWD Volvo is a turbo wagon with a stickshift. Tyler On Aug 5, 2008, at 4:41 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > The late 240 and 7xx series cars were superb. I almost bought one, > and still have a 740 TD that needs to get going again. > > Probably the least troublesome cars I know of, given their longevity. > ] > Look up swedishbrick.com and the Brickboard.com, (or something > similar) for a good discussion group. > > Peter > > On Aug 5, 2008, at 1:57 PM, Donald Snook wrote: > >> I found a 1990 Volvo 240. It is a 1 owner car with 135,000 miles >> and perfect shape. I have never had one of these. I think I have >> asked about Volvos and somebody said there were a couple of models >> to avoid. The only complaints I seen from reviews online is that >> they are pretty slow to accelerate. Evidently those that were >> complaining about that have never driven a Mercedes diesel. After >> all the 2.3 4 cyl. has 114 HP. >> >> Any one know anything about these cars? >> >> Donald H. Snook >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Where is the 190D AC Compressor cutout control unit?
I'm trying to figure out why the AC won't turn on in my 1987 190D Turbo. Does anyone know the physical location of the compressor cutout control unit? I'm pretty sure the problem is related to that, but the photo showing the location in the factory repair manual was taken so close to the unit, that it doesn't help me tell where it is! Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Warped rotor question with bonus "I'm an idiot" story
Brake rotors generally don't warp: http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp_warped_brakedisk.shtml Tyler On Jul 20, 2008, at 8:10 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote: > Warped rotors can be caused by corrosion on the face of the hubs. The > unevenness will translate into inevenness in the rotor. > > Thanks, Tom > 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D for sale in Des Moines IA
What was the article called, and reasoning behind it? Tyler On Jul 20, 2008, at 10:01 AM, OK Don wrote: > Newsweek predicts that when oil hits $200 a barrel, that Gas will be > $6.30/gal., and Diesel will be $5.55/gal. Think beyond today - yes, > you do need another Diesel MB. > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Wonko the Sane > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I don't need another diesel. I need a small gasser. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB immortality?
It's not my first MB. I've owned three before: a 1966 190D fintail, a 1974 240D, and a 1979 280E. EVERYTHING still worked in those cars, except the gas engine blowing up in the 280E. None of them had ever been restored, or owned by someone with the money or mechanical skill to fix broken stuff. They all just still worked... Especially the '74 240D, which I recently sold. Of course it's only 34 years old but I couldn't imagine EVERYTHING breaking suddenly in the next 6 years, after 34 years of reliable operation I don't find it hard to believe that all 5 (sarcasm) of the moving parts on a W115 240D would still work after 40 years Tyler On Jul 17, 2008, at 9:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> ..Maybe I just have high expectations, because most everything else >> in a >> diesel Mercedes will keep working like it should for 40+ years?.. >> > OhmyGodinheaven. Is this (whatever it is) your first MB? NOTHING in > an MB > works for forty years. Nothing with moving parts at least. > > RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz Tempmatic ACC Rant
That much? I'm not complaining about a specific car, just MBZ ACC in general. I'm not picking the 190D Turbo up until the 25th, but I'm willing to bet it's ACC problems are something simple since the owner's already replaced all of the expensive stuff. Since he said it started delaying going into 3rd gear after getting the ACC worked on, I'm betting it's just a vacuum leak and/or failing vacuum pump. A few minutes with the mightyvac should reveal something useful :) Tyler On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Well, Idont want you to be in such a mess, I will give you $500 for > that > car. > > Tyler Backman wrote: >> Maybe I just have high expectations, because most everything else >> in a >> diesel Mercedes >> will keep working like it should for 40+ years? >> >> Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz Tempmatic ACC Rant
Maybe I just have high expectations, because most everything else in a diesel Mercedes will keep working like it should for 40+ years? Tyler On Jul 17, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > yea, that was quite a rant. Keep in mind the system worked just > like it > should for probably 20 years. That seems pretty good to me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Mercedes-Benz Tempmatic ACC Rant
Any idea why 80s Mercedes climate control is so complicated and so unreliable? I have owned tons of Volvo 760s as much as 24 years old, and the climate control in them always works flawlessly without maintenance for decades. It consists of a single self contained control unit and a temp sensor. No feedback potentiometers, sampler fans, or remote switchover valves. The Volvo system uses the main blower fan for a sampler fan by running it continuously at slow speed, and it controls the regular pneumatic vents with solenoid valves built into the control unit. In addition the entire system (control unit, blower fan, temp sensor) could be replaced in about 10 minutes with nothing but a few screwdrivers. It just seems like horrible engineering to need so many components for such a simple task as maintaining a constant cabin temperature and selecting which vents air will come from. I have half a mind to redesign the Mercedes climate control to work like the Volvo one, but using the stock inputs. I know that would be more difficult than just getting the system working properly... Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Old news, petro burning diesel engine
Old international tractors used to start on gasoline, and switch over to diesel once warmed up. They had a carb, dist, and an IP. Tyler On Jul 15, 2008, at 7:15 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > http://www.topgear.com/content/news/stories/2122/ > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
No, I am pretty certain that the W201s with 5 speeds have a significantly lower rear axle ratio than the automatics, because the manual has a true overdrive, and the auto has a 1:1 highest gear. The W123 is different, because the 4 speed manuals are also without an overdrive gear. Tyler On Jul 14, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Rolf wrote: > On the W123 the gearing is the same on most manuals (any you would > find > here at any rate) and autos, I am fairly certain the same goes for > 124/201. > > -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
I am *almost* certain that this rumor originated with people who swapped in a manual, and kept the stock differential. Because the manual transmission has much higher gears than the auto the car become sluggish unless the gear ratio is changed. I REALLY doubt that it has anything to do with the turbocharger... Tyler On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Rolf wrote: > I keep hearing this and to me it is a ridiculous statement. Maybe > these > people don't know how to shift properly? I have no problems with > keeping > the turbo spooled and its with a stock T3, a KKK or ARV would do even > better. I love my swap and would do it again in a heart beat for a > "funner" car. > > -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I hate ebay liars
What really isn't fair is that (with current fuel prices) the people lying about fuel economy get WAY more money for their cars, regardless of condition. If you're trying to sell a car, and report the honest fuel economy people think their is something wrong with the car, when they see other ads reporting much higher fuel economy for the same model. I think that's one reason why I got my 190D turbo for only $3000, when I saw much shittier non-turbo 190Ds selling for $4000+ with claims of "50+ mpg." The buyers might not be trying to lie, but might actually not know how to calculate fuel economy properly. I see all the time on forums people who claim they get incredible MPG, but can't present any data when asked for a long-term record with distance and fuel volume. I keep a long-term spreadsheet on all of my cars, which includes graphs, and the type and speed of driving on each tank. I also measure the accuracy of the odometer against a GPS, and include a correction factor in the spreadsheet. With diesels especially, I usually see a lot of variation due to different amounts of fuel foaming affecting how full the tank gets before the pump clicks off. Tyler On Jul 14, 2008, at 10:03 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > Here's another of these jackasses who lies about fuel mileage. This > guy claims his 123 will get 34-36 mpg. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1984-Mercedes-300D-Turbo-Diesel-Good-WVO-candidate_W0QQitemZ260261473194QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Debt Free was Re: List Of CL Cars
Not really, other than the fact that we sold them a $400k house, and neither of them have "real" jobs. Of course that doesn't really mean anything, as it was before the sub-prime crisis when people without income could get a 400k loan... They look mostly for designer name brand clothes in the Goodwill bulk bins... I haven't talked to them for a few years, so I don't know if it's still a success or not. I believe they did re-sell the house. Tyler On Jul 14, 2008, at 7:53 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: > Got anything to back up this claim? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Volvos was re: Re: Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
I know you didn't ask me, but what are you wondering about it? I've owned over 20 Volvos, and always did all of the work myself A 1991 240 is a very good car. By that time Volvo had been making the 240 for 16 years, and had pretty much worked out all of the design flaws. If maintained properly it will last a lifetime but it is a low-tech car for the 90s with a solid axle, a lot of road noise, etc. Tyler On Jul 13, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Donald Snook wrote: > Peter wrote: "That Volvo TD with a five speed was a HOT car -- 0-60 > in 9 seconds or something, quite fast for a 2.4L diesel. Probably > got 33 mpg or better on the highway, too. My 740 with an automatic > got 31-32 on the highway with the AC on, 29 mpg in town." > > Peter, > > What do you know about a 1991 Volvo 240 4 cyl? I am looking at one. > > > Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Debt Free was Re: List Of CL Cars
I know someone who makes $100K+ per year, spending a few days a week at goodwill, and selling the items on eBay Tyler On Jul 13, 2008, at 6:31 PM, Redghost wrote: > I sometimes frequent the Goodwill outlet store looking for legos and > brio train stuff. There are regulars who put in long days at the > clothing bins. They purchase at $0.65/lb (100+ lb) clothes and > shoes. I guess it goes on eBay. That and the books. They stand > there with iPhone or other smart phone entering data to see if they > need it. Shopping carts of books grabbed up, research gets done and > three books are held onto. > > clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Todays CL Midwest MB Crap
It looks really clean from the photos, but no asking price... On Jul 13, 2008, at 3:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > Hell that could be my old one. I want to buy it. I emailed them for > more info > > Rick Knoble wrote: >> > >> >> Somebody needs this (Tom Savage?) >> http://stlouis.craigslist.org/car/752818623.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Debt Free was Re: List Of CL Cars
Thanks :) I graduated from Oregon State University with a degree in physics, and I will be working as a "Senior Bioinformatics Analyst" (mostly mathematics and computer programming related to genetics) for the University of California in Riverside. They're also going to let me take classes, and possibly work on a masters or PhD while working for them. My wife is getting her PhD in genetics there at the same time. On the downside, I'll now be paying twice as much in taxes, as I made total at my previous job. Tyler On Jul 12, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Bill R wrote: > Congratulations. Where did you graduate from and with what degree, > and what > job has called you? > BillR > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ] > On Behalf Of Tyler Backman > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 4:11 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Debt Free was Re: List Of CL Cars > > Apparently there's some sort of charity that gets unused suits from > wealthy executives, etc. and sells them for $15 to college students to > use in job interviews. > > Worked for me- I graduated less than a month ago with my bachelors and > I just got offered a ridiculously good job. > > Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] update on 190D AC
I can see why Marshall Booth said (to paraphrase) that maintaining the AC on a 190 is more difficult than maintaining the whole rest of the car Tyler On Jul 12, 2008, at 5:09 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > OK, see where I can order one. How do you get the clutch off? Is it > just one bolt or what? Any special tools needed? > > Also, what is wrong with the green o rings? That is what I used. I > just have a big variety pack of them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
Yea, mine was modified quite a bit too with higher compression (thin head gasket), a better cam, and of course swapping the slushbox for a *real* transmission among other things. When I'm done with the 190D it should be faster, more economical, and better handling than the Volvo was (which is saying quite a bit). Tyler On Jul 12, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > That Volvo TD with a five speed was a HOT car -- 0-60 in 9 seconds or > something, quite fast for a 2.4L diesel. Probably got 33 mpg or > better on the highway, too. My 740 with an automatic got 31-32 on > the highway with the AC on, 29 mpg in town. > > Noisy turbo though. > > Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
Weird, I've heard that once before too. Of course, I've never driven one, but I have owned a lot of turbo diesel manual cars, including my 1984 Volvo 760 which is about the same size car, engine, and turbo. Because the diesel has no throttle body, the turbo remains fully spooled up between shifts on the Volvo. I do tend to shift rather quickly (just as long as it takes for the RPMs to fall enough to match the next gear). Tyler On Jul 12, 2008, at 4:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > MB never put a 5 speed behind a turbo diesel because it reduces the > driveability. Yea it sounds like a good idea but everyone I have > talked > to that have done it was not happy with the results. After every > shift, > you got to wait for the turbo to spool back up again. Very sluggish. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
Why skip the 5 speed? I'm no fan of automatics at all, and people who have put 5 speeds in these report a 5+ mpg improvement in fuel economy. I think autos take much of the driving fun out of a car. I drive fairly hard, and I'm especially annoyed when they upshift right in the apex of a turn, and then downshift immediately after you hit the throttle... Also, he said he recently paid a "mechanic" to work on the climate control vacuum system, and afterwards the transmission started shifting at the wrong rpms. I'm assuming he probably pulled off or broke a vacuum line associated with the shifting system, and rather than screw with it I'd rather put in a *real* transmission. He said he spent over a grand getting the AC system recharged, and installing a new climate control unit, but it still randomly switches back and forth between AC and heat with no rhyme or reason. Any ideas as to what that could be? Some sort of sensor problem? Maybe a bad vacuum pump? I've never had one of these before. Tyler On Jul 12, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > looks pretty nice although I would skip the 5 speed idea ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Bought a 190D turbo without seeing it first
I've always wanted a 190D Turbo, and after talking to you guys about the ergonomics of it, I went ahead and bought this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trkparms=tab%3DWatching&viewitem=&item=140247012459&_trksid=p3907.m32 The seller has no eBay feedback and a poor description, but I talked to him for about an hour about it, and did a carfax and it seems pretty good. The body, paint, and interior are virtually perfect but it has a bunch of electrical problems (AC, power windows, etc.) I am going to install a 5 speed, an intercooler, and heavily modified suspension... What do you guys think? I'm hoping to pick it up in person and pay cash for it in a few weeks. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] various 201s
I've had power seats in a few cars, and I'm starting to think that I'd actually pay quite a bit more for a car with manual seats. With power seats I inevetably have to spend a day or two at some point removing the seats to repair something, or living with a seat stuck in an awkward position :( Is the only difference with the 89+ models a different back seat? Do you think it could be installed easily in an early model? Tyler On Jul 11, 2008, at 2:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> > Since I owned two 190Es, an '85 (new) and then an '89 until 1995, > you should > know that in '89 the seats were reconfigured a little to provide > more room for > rear seat passengers. Even so rear seat room is tight. Also, the > powered > front seats were an expensive option in the '85 but later became > standard and any > car without them should not be considered. My advice is, stay away > from the > early cars up to '86 even though all of the mechanical and > electronic problems > will have been repaired (multiple times, most likely) the 201 seemed > to be in a > continuous state of development. And an '84 should not be considered > at any > price. > > BTW, at the time I owned these cars, I was 6'0' and about 220. > > RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Debt Free was Re: List Of CL Cars
Apparently there's some sort of charity that gets unused suits from wealthy executives, etc. and sells them for $15 to college students to use in job interviews. Worked for me- I graduated less than a month ago with my bachelors and I just got offered a ridiculously good job. Tyler On Jul 11, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Ed Booher wrote: > > Where are you buying suits for $15, because I want in on some of that! > EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Debt Free was Re: List Of CL Cars
A similar thing happened to my grandfather Bill. He was fairly successful at buying/building homes in San Diego, and then reselling them for high dollars. One day after work he went to the Chevy dealership (in the 60s) with cash to purchase a new car, still wearing his contractors clothes. They refused to let him test drive a car because he wasn't dressed fancy enough, so he showed them the cash and told them "You just lost $5,000." My parents are both fairly successful yet frugal, and the whole time growing up we drove 30 year old cars, and wore clothes from the goodwill. I can remember many times when we were made fun of, laughed at, or refused service from businesses that would have made a good sale if they hadn't judged us by the price of our clothes. On the other hand, I now have a $2000 suit (new) that I purchased used for only $15, and spent another $60 getting it custom tailored to me. It's amazing/ridiculous how differently people act towards me wearing a $15 suit than wearing normal clothes. Tyler On Jul 11, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Ed Booher wrote: > Dad used to live in Florida. Apparently knew the owner of a Fishing > boat, or > one of the officers, don't remember. He told me a story that after a > particularly successful season, coming back into port, the Captain > wanted to > congratulate the team. Walked out of the harbor smelling of fish, and > carrying a suitcase. Entered a Chevy store and no one wanted to wait > on him, > because of the way he looked and smelled. (Guess he wanted to make > sure > business was done before crew was finished with work and given shore > leave) > Walked across the street to the Ford dealership, and the first > salesman that > offered him help, he handed him the case and said "I need 12 Mustangs" > > Shore leave was granted with car keys that year. Though, he did tell > me that > story went I went into the car selling business hmm. > > EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Super 190E deal (no affiliation) $1500
Runs, drives, no valve cover, no title? ROFL If that's a stock 355, I can probably get more power (and better fuel economy) with my boosted but otherwise stock 740 Turbo. Unless you're going to REALLY build your v8 (twin turbos, etc, etc.) it's stupid to put one in a Volvo, because there's tons of guys pushing 300-400hp with Volvo 4 cylinder motors that don't require tons of custom fabrication to install. Tyler On Jul 11, 2008, at 5:17 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Tyler Backman wrote: >> The first (and last) MB gasser I ever owned was a 1979 280E which >> threw a rod the first time I drove it. I'll stick with gas volvos and >> diesel mercedes.. > > Here's a gas Volvo for ya. Says it runs and drives, but pictures it > without > valve covers? > http://kalamazoo.craigslist.org/car/749436247.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Super 190E deal (no affiliation) $1500
Did the one you ride in have a sunroof? Does the seat go up and down? I sat in one in the junkyard once, and my head touched the ceiling just sitting normal. I'm only 6'2"; maybe the seat was adjusted high? Either way, I certainly couldn't wear a helmet while driving one for autocross/rallycross Tyler On Jul 10, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: > I am 6'4" and fit just fine in a 190. > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Tyler Backman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If the guy will respond to an e-mail, I'll go and look at it as it's >> next to my house. >> >> I really just want to see if the ergonomics work for me, since I'm >> fairly tall and want to buy a 190D (but have never driven one). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Super 190E deal (no affiliation) $1500
The first (and last) MB gasser I ever owned was a 1979 280E which threw a rod the first time I drove it. I'll stick with gas volvos and diesel mercedes.. Tyler On Jul 10, 2008, at 8:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > MB gassers usually require head work by the time they reach 200k > > Tyler Backman wrote: >> If the guy will respond to an e-mail, I'll go and look at it as it's >> next to my house. >> >> I really just want to see if the ergonomics work for me, since I'm >> fairly tall and want to buy a 190D (but have never driven one). >> >> I'm not very familiar with these motors, but if you consider 200k to >> be "high" than they must be crap. When I buy red block Volvos >> I look for ones with at least 250k miles, because I know the motor >> will still run perfect, but I'll get a better deal. >> >> Tyler >> >> On Jul 10, 2008, at 5:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: >> >>> I cant really tell what kind of shape its in based in the ad and >>> pictures. THe miles are pretty high for one of those so unless the >>> head >>> has been off, its way overdue for that. Could be nice I guess but >>> who >>> knows. >>> >>> Tyler Backman wrote: >>>> Because it's in good shape, and they'd probably take a ridiculously >>>> low offer? >>>> >>>> Tyler >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.7/1545 - Release Date: >> 7/10/2008 6:43 PM >> >> >> > > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, > 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Super 190E deal (no affiliation) $1500
If the guy will respond to an e-mail, I'll go and look at it as it's next to my house. I really just want to see if the ergonomics work for me, since I'm fairly tall and want to buy a 190D (but have never driven one). I'm not very familiar with these motors, but if you consider 200k to be "high" than they must be crap. When I buy red block Volvos I look for ones with at least 250k miles, because I know the motor will still run perfect, but I'll get a better deal. Tyler On Jul 10, 2008, at 5:34 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > I cant really tell what kind of shape its in based in the ad and > pictures. THe miles are pretty high for one of those so unless the > head > has been off, its way overdue for that. Could be nice I guess but who > knows. > > Tyler Backman wrote: >> Because it's in good shape, and they'd probably take a ridiculously >> low offer? >> >> Tyler > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Super 190E deal (no affiliation) $1500
Because it's in good shape, and they'd probably take a ridiculously low offer? Tyler On Jul 10, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > whats such a good deal about it? > > Tyler Backman wrote: >> Look here: >> >> http://corvallis.craigslist.org/car/708283773.html >> >> I'd buy it, except I only buy cars with a diesel engine and a manual >> transmission.. This has neither. >> >> Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Super 190E deal (no affiliation) $1500
Look here: http://corvallis.craigslist.org/car/708283773.html I'd buy it, except I only buy cars with a diesel engine and a manual transmission.. This has neither. Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?
I'd keep the benz and buy a sweater myself Tyler On Jul 10, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > I'll reply here so the whole world can see... > > The guy had offered 4 cords for the car. That was at $150 a cord a > price which is apparently no longer valid... That was before I got > the car, replaced the exhaust, replaced the fog lights, fixed the > drivers door lock and got the sunroof all the way closed. Soon I'll > have the passenger's door lock fixed, the antenna replaced and the > sunroof working properly. > So at this point I'm thinking its more like a 6 or 7 cord car. After > all the above is finished, new moisture barriers are in the doors, > and the car is painted (the infamous $50 paint job, rustoleum with > rollers) and has a replacement hood it'll be an 8-10 cord car... > > The car is in Winchendon, MA 01475. Locust is great wood, I'd > probably give a one cord discount for it. Maybe I'd even take an > extra cord for wood that was cut but not split. I'm all about options. > > -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] camper
That thing does look pretty cool. It must have the performance of an automatic 240D towing a 24 foot boat. I wonder if it at least gets decent fuel economy? Tyler On Jul 8, 2008, at 7:32 PM, Steve MacSween wrote: > on 7/8/08 20:51, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/82-Mercedes-Benz-207D-diesel-camper-van-4-speed >> - >> manual_W0QQitemZ300240020421QQihZ020QQcategoryZ50058QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ >> cmdZViewItem > > I must be getting old. That looks really cool. Even with an OM616 > (shudder). > > Mac ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why do all ebay and craigslist MB's get 45 mpg?
Many of the ones I see get "50+" or "70+" mpg! Tyler On Jul 7, 2008, at 5:59 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > 45 MPG 1979 300D Mercedes - $3000 (Keller) > Reply to: see below > Date: 2008-07-07, 5:34PM CDT > > > Yes, it gets great gas mileage! I just put in a new A/C compressor but > have not charged it up as yet so I'll include 7 cans of R12 (that's > about $100 a can now). It has approximately 200K miles and still runs > great! The only reason I'm selling? Wife says we have too many cars, > this is our 3rd car I love tinkering with. Call me if interested > 682-561-9562 Tim CASH ONLY > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, > 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 86 560SL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, > 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, > 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb > http://www.okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] eBay Auction 1972 280SEL 4.5
If MPG isn't a consideration on classics, than why has the price of diesel pontons shot up so much recently? Tyler On Jul 7, 2008, at 11:04 AM, Chuck Landenberger wrote: > Gary, > > An earlier auction did not meet the Reserve. Reserve has been > reduced. As to gas crunch, etc., IMHO, if you want this kind of > classic, MPG is not a consideration. Besides, it ain't a daily > driver. > > I haven't seen it, but been told it in VG condition As > described > > Take care, > > Chuck ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Time To Get Under the Scares
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yes, arizona property will rise in value drastically. This list is crazy. I just sold my mercedes, and I quit this list. I just want to drive my Volvo in peace! On Dec 15, 2006, at 12:20 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: 30 years ago it was called Global Cooling and Limits to Growth, some guy who used to show up on Johnny Carson all the time told us we were all supposed to be starving in the cold dark by now, with all the oil gone, no food to eat, mass starvations, commies taken over everywhere, the country gone to hell because of the damned hippies and birth control. (It was Paul Ehrlich et al.) 50-60 years ago it was the commies too (them rooshins and the yellow peril), and The Bomb. I guess we in fact embarked on sophist energy paths to get us where we are today -- more food, more oil, longer life spans, safer cars, commies pretty much gone (and turned into capitalists who are kicking our asses, go figure), cheap electronics, no nuke war yet, an oil-state president who got a big wind power industry started, and more better and cheaper dope than ever before. Well, Fidel is still around, but not much longer probably. The country might still be on its way to hell because of the old hippies, but not there yet. Each generation has its own big scare, and people who profit from them. It might be smart to be investing in that Arizona beachfront property now? --R andrew strasfogel wrote: It's called CLIMATE CHANGE now, Jeff. On 12/15/06, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nice to know that there's no such thing as global warming. Middle of December and the temp in Toronto is the same as Arizona?? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFg9e5t178NxI/higRAnKdAJ4nTtpK62znDDA+bjW4g//B0QCYXQCeNCFE DW7art39euZVQNzJPswB73I= =Ntl/ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [MBZ] Saab goes over 1 Million Miles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Several volvos have crossed 2 million on the same engine with new rings. Tyler On Dec 8, 2006, at 9:19 AM, Donald Snook wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16070928/?GT1=8816 I know there have been some Benzes to reach the million mile mark and I heard about a Volkswagen Beetle cross 2 Million miles (more than one engine). My Uncle had a Chevy Pickup with 700K miles, but I have never heard of a Saab. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFey8Nt178NxI/higRAuxgAJ4m4fgjHjfDjLk2LoreN9pFwjhRKwCfXH2N +nfVTdusT/jsxb1o3rRsULU= =r51I -END PGP SIGNATURE-
