Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Yes, but  . . . .
I believe Curt has also commented on the age and rustiness of the 
vehicle at times. I should think 85 mph should be fast enough in traffic 
in a car of questionable structural integrity.


Randy


On 07/10/2019 3:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Randy,

I believe he was driving in Boston traffic, where that is far from the top 
speed on the interstate…

-D



On Oct 7, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

On 07/10/2019 3:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  I can confirm 86mph as the top speed of a 240D. When I was commuting in a 
240D there was a 15 mile stretch of highway where I'd put 'er in the left lane 
with my right foot on floor and leave it there at 85. No hills in that 
section...

-Curt

  

I should think that would be fast enough.

Randy





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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Randy,

I believe he was driving in Boston traffic, where that is far from the top 
speed on the interstate…

-D


> On Oct 7, 2019, at 4:18 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 07/10/2019 3:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>  I can confirm 86mph as the top speed of a 240D. When I was commuting in a 
>> 240D there was a 15 mile stretch of highway where I'd put 'er in the left 
>> lane with my right foot on floor and leave it there at 85. No hills in that 
>> section...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  
> 
> I should think that would be fast enough.
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Some days I was leading the pack, some days I was mid pack, some days I had to 
move over into the center lane...
-Curt

On Monday, October 7, 2019, 4:19:38 PM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 07/10/2019 3:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  I can confirm 86mph as the top speed of a 240D. When I was commuting in a 
>240D there was a 15 mile stretch of highway where I'd put 'er in the left lane 
>with my right foot on floor and leave it there at 85. No hills in that 
>section...
>
> -Curt
>
>  

I should think that would be fast enough.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I had a Mustang rental once, it'd have been 2010 or so. I'd been on the road 
for 3 weeks and Angie had flown out to meet me. We were in San Francisco of all 
places to get that car.My big rolling bag wouldn't fit in the trunk and the 
seats didn't give ample space to get it in the back seat. So I had to get in 
the backseat, Angie would pass me my bag and I'd pull it into the car while 
getting out the other side. What a pain.
Last year we had a Dodge Challenger in Nashville. No problem getting our bags 
(or us) in. If I were going to get a "muscle car" the Challenger would be the 
way to go, way easier to live with.
-Curt

On Monday, October 7, 2019, 12:43:52 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I rented one of those stupid pony cars in 1991 with a v8. (because it 
was the only thing available that day.)  I could not get either a small 
toolbox or a 4 cyl diesel head in the trunk. (OM 615/616)  I believe a 
115 or 123 NA 300D could have run circles about it.  It was awful.  That 
or frod probe were the worst rental cars I ever had.   The shovey HHR 
was a close runner up as a POS.

Toolbox and head ended up in the tiny back seat.  It was worse (smaller) 
than a 107 back seat.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 10/7/19 11:36 AM:
> No worse than a lot of the cars back in the 70's when pollution 
> control came in etc. They were detuned to the point that they could 
> hardly move. I remember driving a Mustang II with a 4 cylinder engine 
> as a loaner from the dealership. A 240D would have run circles around it.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 07/10/2019 3:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  I can confirm 86mph as the top speed of a 240D. When I was commuting in a 
240D there was a 15 mile stretch of highway where I'd put 'er in the left lane 
with my right foot on floor and leave it there at 85. No hills in that 
section...

-Curt

  


I should think that would be fast enough.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I can confirm 86mph as the top speed of a 240D. When I was commuting in a 240D 
there was a 15 mile stretch of highway where I'd put 'er in the left lane with 
my right foot on floor and leave it there at 85. No hills in that section...

-Curt

On Monday, October 7, 2019, 12:30:23 PM EDT, Dan--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 My former message was a bit cryptic as I was trying to compose it quickly at a 
red light...

As others have stated, while the performance or lack thereof of this 
configuration of the 240D is minimal, driving one configured this way merely 
requires the driver to become more tactical in their driving habits. Risk 
taking is minimal, as your resources for making changes on short notice are 
limited, to say the least.

-D

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 12:19 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> How can that be dangerous? I am very often behind people who take a quarter 
> to a half of a mile to get up to 60 when getting onto a highway. None of them 
> were ever driving a 240D.
> 
> Don Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>> I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and 
>> good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking up 
>> the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67 horsepower). 
>>  Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find anyone that 
>> actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary part.  0-75 
>> mph takes 45 seconds!
>> AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a 
>> long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will 
>> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.  Those numbers seem really 
>> slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.  Guess what 
>> the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?  60 MILES AN HOUR.  So, it 
>> takes a quarter mile to get to 60!  I'm not sure that is safe to be on the 
>> highway!
>> These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a highway 
>> considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are these really 
>> this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at highway speeds 
>> recently?
>> Donald H. Snook
>> 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:33:06 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The 240D automatic we had for a short time was just about the slowest
> vehicle I've ever driven, even a bit slower than the 1960 Falcon I
> learned to drive in.  It takes a different mindset, that's for sure.
> 
> Our W115 200D (manny) kicked its ass, and though it had _less_
> horsepower it was infinitely more drivable.  And certainly a lot more
> snappy, though both had about the same top speed.  There's just
> something seriously wrong with that particular engine/tranny mating in
> the 240D.

When our '240D/3.0 was in that configuration (before the automatic
transmission broke most thoroughly deep inside), I found rowing the
gearshift lever appropriately to speed up the vehicle considerably
by taking it well toward redline in each gear.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

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You could always mix and match parts between the 240D and the 300D to get
the car you want --- best engine/tranny in the best body.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:57 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dimitri LOVES his 240D - where is his valuable inut?
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 1:35 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > A 240D can handily outrun a 80klb semi, even a 600hp semi, on a freeway
> > ramp.
> > The semi needs a bigger hole to merge into.
> > The semis do all right.
> > But, when drivers see a semi crawling up ahead, they know instantly that
> > they want to move to the left lane.
> >
> > You could always use the two bottle method, a bottle of propane and a
> > bottle of nitrous, with solenoid valves wired to the kickdown switch. But
> > refills on the nitrous oxide aren't cheap.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> > > On October 7, 2019 at 11:43 AM Don Snook via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c
> > and good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was
> > looking up the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right,
> 67
> > horsepower).  Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find
> > anyone that actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary
> > part.  0-75 mph takes 45 seconds!
> > >
> > > AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you
> have
> > a long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It
> will
> > then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem
> > really slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.
> > Guess what the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN
> > HOUR.   So, it takes a quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is
> > safe to be on the highway!
> > >
> > > These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a
> > highway considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are
> > these really this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at
> > highway speeds recently?
> > >
> > >
> > > Donald H. Snook
> > > 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
> > > 2017 Toyota 4Runner
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Dimitri LOVES his 240D - where is his valuable inut?

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 1:35 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A 240D can handily outrun a 80klb semi, even a 600hp semi, on a freeway
> ramp.
> The semi needs a bigger hole to merge into.
> The semis do all right.
> But, when drivers see a semi crawling up ahead, they know instantly that
> they want to move to the left lane.
>
> You could always use the two bottle method, a bottle of propane and a
> bottle of nitrous, with solenoid valves wired to the kickdown switch. But
> refills on the nitrous oxide aren't cheap.
>
> Mitch.
>
> > On October 7, 2019 at 11:43 AM Don Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c
> and good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was
> looking up the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67
> horsepower).  Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find
> anyone that actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary
> part.  0-75 mph takes 45 seconds!
> >
> > AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have
> a long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will
> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem
> really slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.
> Guess what the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN
> HOUR.   So, it takes a quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is
> safe to be on the highway!
> >
> > These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a
> highway considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are
> these really this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at
> highway speeds recently?
> >
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> > 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
> > 2017 Toyota 4Runner
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

A 240D can handily outrun a 80klb semi, even a 600hp semi, on a freeway ramp. 
The semi needs a bigger hole to merge into. 
The semis do all right.
But, when drivers see a semi crawling up ahead, they know instantly that they 
want to move to the left lane.

You could always use the two bottle method, a bottle of propane and a bottle of 
nitrous, with solenoid valves wired to the kickdown switch. But refills on the 
nitrous oxide aren't cheap.

Mitch.

> On October 7, 2019 at 11:43 AM Don Snook via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and 
> good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking up 
> the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67 horsepower).  
> Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find anyone that 
> actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary part.  0-75 mph 
> takes 45 seconds!
> 
> AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a 
> long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will 
> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem really 
> slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.  Guess what 
> the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN HOUR.   So, it 
> takes a quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is safe to be on the 
> highway!
> 
> These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a highway 
> considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are these really 
> this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at highway speeds 
> recently?
> 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
> 2017 Toyota 4Runner
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The 240D automatic we had for a short time was just about the slowest
vehicle I've ever driven, even a bit slower than the 1960 Falcon I learned to
drive in.  It takes a different mindset, that's for sure.

Our W115 200D (manny) kicked its ass, and though it had _less_ horsepower
it was infinitely more drivable.  And certainly a lot more snappy, though both 
had
about the same top speed.  There's just something seriously wrong with that
particular engine/tranny mating in the 240D.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

What Kaleb said - you'll be a better driver. You'll learn energy
management, timing, and planning.
It makes a GREAT first car for a new driver - safest thing you could but
him/her in. No impulsive hot-rodding and showing off, very safe chassis
with decent mass, etc.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:12 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have driven one as a daily in the past. You just have to get used to it
> and it’s fine. It makes you a much better driver because you have to plan
> ahead.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Don Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c
> and good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was
> looking up the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67
> horsepower).  Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find
> anyone that actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary
> part.  0-75 mph takes 45 seconds!
> >
> > AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have
> a long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will
> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem
> really slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.
> Guess what the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN
> HOUR.   So, it takes a quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is
> safe to be on the highway!
> >
> > These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a
> highway considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are
> these really this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at
> highway speeds recently?
> >
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> > 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
> > 2017 Toyota 4Runner
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 And as to other drivers, they'll deal, they'll slow down or move over. They 
might talk big but thats just talk.

-Curt

On Monday, October 7, 2019, 11:57:32 AM EDT, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Just have to learn to drive it. It’s a totally different mindset driving one 
of these. 

Bob R

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Donald,
> 
> These are common issues well known issues for this car.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Don Snook via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and 
>> good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking up 
>> the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67 horsepower). 
>>  Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find anyone that 
>> actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary part.  0-75 
>> mph takes 45 seconds!
>> 
>> AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a 
>> long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will 
>> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.  Those numbers seem really 
>> slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.  Guess what 
>> the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?  60 MILES AN HOUR.  So, it 
>> takes a quarter mile to get to 60!  I'm not sure that is safe to be on the 
>> highway!
>> 
>> These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a highway 
>> considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are these really 
>> this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at highway speeds 
>> recently?
>> 
>> 
>> Donald H. Snook
>> 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
>> 2017 Toyota 4Runner
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I have driven one as a daily in the past. You just have to get used to it and 
it’s fine. It makes you a much better driver because you have to plan ahead. 

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> On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Don Snook via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and 
> good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking up 
> the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67 horsepower).  
> Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find anyone that 
> actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary part.  0-75 mph 
> takes 45 seconds!
> 
> AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a 
> long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will 
> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem really 
> slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.  Guess what 
> the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN HOUR.   So, it 
> takes a quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is safe to be on the 
> highway!
> 
> These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a highway 
> considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are these really 
> this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at highway speeds 
> recently?
> 
> 
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> 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
> 2017 Toyota 4Runner
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

And don’t forget to leave one of your turn signals on all the time... you could 
also get a pair of the wrap-around cataract sunglasses to wear, too.

-D

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 12:52 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Buy it, then buy a blue hair wig, and only drive in the left lane... Ohh
> and some good ear plugs so you won't be bothered by all the angry honking..
> you'll be good...
> :)))
> 
> Plan to leave early for appointments...
> 
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 8:44 AM Don Snook via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and
>> good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking
>> up the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67
>> horsepower).  Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find
>> anyone that actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary
>> part.  0-75 mph takes 45 seconds!
>> 
>> AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a
>> long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will
>> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem
>> really slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.
>> Guess what the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN
>> HOUR.   So, it takes a quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is
>> safe to be on the highway!
>> 
>> These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a
>> highway considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are
>> these really this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at
>> highway speeds recently?
>> 
>> 
>> Donald H. Snook
>> 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
>> 2017 Toyota 4Runner
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Buy it, then buy a blue hair wig, and only drive in the left lane... Ohh
and some good ear plugs so you won't be bothered by all the angry honking..
you'll be good...
:)))

Plan to leave early for appointments...

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 8:44 AM Don Snook via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and
> good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking
> up the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67
> horsepower).  Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find
> anyone that actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary
> part.  0-75 mph takes 45 seconds!
>
> AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a
> long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will
> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem
> really slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.
> Guess what the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN
> HOUR.   So, it takes a quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is
> safe to be on the highway!
>
> These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a
> highway considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are
> these really this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at
> highway speeds recently?
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
> 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
> 2017 Toyota 4Runner
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I rented one of those stupid pony cars in 1991 with a v8. (because it 
was the only thing available that day.)  I could not get either a small 
toolbox or a 4 cyl diesel head in the trunk. (OM 615/616)  I believe a 
115 or 123 NA 300D could have run circles about it.  It was awful.  That 
or frod probe were the worst rental cars I ever had.   The shovey HHR 
was a close runner up as a POS.


Toolbox and head ended up in the tiny back seat.  It was worse (smaller) 
than a 107 back seat.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 10/7/19 11:36 AM:
No worse than a lot of the cars back in the 70's when pollution 
control came in etc. They were detuned to the point that they could 
hardly move. I remember driving a Mustang II with a 4 cylinder engine 
as a loaner from the dealership. A 240D would have run circles around it.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

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You need to inform us of the PRICE and the model year to get better
feedback.

On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 12:36 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No worse than a lot of the cars back in the 70's when pollution control
> came in etc. They were detuned to the point that they could hardly move.
> I remember driving a Mustang II with a 4 cylinder engine as a loaner
> from the dealership. A 240D would have run circles around it.
>
> Randy
>
> On 07/10/2019 11:25 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> > I never tried timing it to 70, but that is probably about right.   A
> > 240D was never meant to be a freeway flyer.   An 87 300D or newer is
> > much better for that.   You have to think like you are driving a truck
> > in the 40s-60s.   We drove trucks with chevy 6 cylinder gassers.   You
> > don't ever pass unless you can drop back, take a run, and get to the
> > other vehicle ahead with a LONG open stretch in the left lane.If
> > the timing does not work out, you drop back and try again.  Compared
> > to some of the old trucks with a load, driving a 240D auto is like a
> > dream.
> >
> > Give us a 0-60 time.240Ds are ideal for running 2 lane roads, and
> > metro streets.   They will run down the interstate ok at 65-70, but
> > you need time to get up to speed.   The 240D was not made to ba a
> > "luxury" car, it was made to be economical and DURABLE, and it is one
> > of the best at that.MBNA killed them because they did not fit the
> > "luxury" marketing vision the bowties had.
> >
> > Remember Monfort?   They were the first company to run high powered
> > trucks east of the rockies.   The left lane was known as the Monfort
> > lane in the 70s.
> >
> > Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote on 10/7/19 10:56 AM:
> >> Just have to learn to drive it. It’s a totally different mindset
> >> driving one of these.
> >>
> >> Bob R
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

No worse than a lot of the cars back in the 70's when pollution control 
came in etc. They were detuned to the point that they could hardly move. 
I remember driving a Mustang II with a 4 cylinder engine as a loaner 
from the dealership. A 240D would have run circles around it.


Randy

On 07/10/2019 11:25 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I never tried timing it to 70, but that is probably about right.   A 
240D was never meant to be a freeway flyer.   An 87 300D or newer is 
much better for that.   You have to think like you are driving a truck 
in the 40s-60s.   We drove trucks with chevy 6 cylinder gassers.   You 
don't ever pass unless you can drop back, take a run, and get to the 
other vehicle ahead with a LONG open stretch in the left lane.    If 
the timing does not work out, you drop back and try again.  Compared 
to some of the old trucks with a load, driving a 240D auto is like a 
dream.


Give us a 0-60 time.    240Ds are ideal for running 2 lane roads, and 
metro streets.   They will run down the interstate ok at 65-70, but 
you need time to get up to speed.   The 240D was not made to ba a 
"luxury" car, it was made to be economical and DURABLE, and it is one 
of the best at that.    MBNA killed them because they did not fit the 
"luxury" marketing vision the bowties had.


Remember Monfort?   They were the first company to run high powered 
trucks east of the rockies.   The left lane was known as the Monfort 
lane in the 70s.


Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote on 10/7/19 10:56 AM:
Just have to learn to drive it. It’s a totally different mindset 
driving one of these.


Bob R







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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

My former message was a bit cryptic as I was trying to compose it quickly at a 
red light...

As others have stated, while the performance or lack thereof of this 
configuration of the 240D is minimal, driving one configured this way merely 
requires the driver to become more tactical in their driving habits. Risk 
taking is minimal, as your resources for making changes on short notice are 
limited, to say the least.

-D

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 12:19 PM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> How can that be dangerous? I am very often behind people who take a quarter 
> to a half of a mile to get up to 60 when getting onto a highway. None of them 
> were ever driving a 240D.
> 
> Don Snook via Mercedes wrote:
>> I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and 
>> good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking up 
>> the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67 horsepower). 
>>  Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find anyone that 
>> actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary part.  0-75 
>> mph takes 45 seconds!
>> AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a 
>> long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will 
>> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem 
>> really slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.  
>> Guess what the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN 
>> HOUR.   So, it takes a quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is 
>> safe to be on the highway!
>> These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a highway 
>> considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are these really 
>> this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at highway speeds 
>> recently?
>> Donald H. Snook
>> 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
>> 2017 Toyota 4Runner
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'd always get irritated because the buttercups from town would drive 25 
(in 45 or 55 zone) (used to be 70) outside of town, especially after 
dark, then when they got to where the streetlights were in town, they'd 
go 45 in a 25 zone.    THey just could not comprehend driving without 
street lights, but they'd do the same thing in daylight.


MG via Mercedes wrote on 10/7/19 11:19 AM:
How can that be dangerous? I am very often behind people who take a 
quarter to a half of a mile to get up to 60 when getting onto a 
highway. None of them were ever driving a 240D.





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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I never tried timing it to 70, but that is probably about right.   A 
240D was never meant to be a freeway flyer.   An 87 300D or newer is 
much better for that.   You have to think like you are driving a truck 
in the 40s-60s.   We drove trucks with chevy 6 cylinder gassers.   You 
don't ever pass unless you can drop back, take a run, and get to the 
other vehicle ahead with a LONG open stretch in the left lane.    If the 
timing does not work out, you drop back and try again.  Compared to some 
of the old trucks with a load, driving a 240D auto is like a dream.


Give us a 0-60 time.    240Ds are ideal for running 2 lane roads, and 
metro streets.   They will run down the interstate ok at 65-70, but you 
need time to get up to speed.   The 240D was not made to ba a "luxury" 
car, it was made to be economical and DURABLE, and it is one of the best 
at that.    MBNA killed them because they did not fit the "luxury" 
marketing vision the bowties had.


Remember Monfort?   They were the first company to run high powered 
trucks east of the rockies.   The left lane was known as the Monfort 
lane in the 70s.


Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote on 10/7/19 10:56 AM:

Just have to learn to drive it. It’s a totally different mindset driving one of 
these.

Bob R





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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[MG via Mercedes]

How can that be dangerous? I am very often behind 
people who take a quarter to a half of a mile to 
get up to 60 when getting onto a highway. None of 
them were ever driving a 240D.


Don Snook via Mercedes wrote:

I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and good 
paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking up the 
specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67 horsepower).  Top 
Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find anyone that actually 
tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary part.  0-75 mph takes 45 
seconds!

AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a long 
entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will then take 
another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem really slow - 
maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.  Guess what the speed 
is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN HOUR.   So, it takes a 
quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is safe to be on the highway!

These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a highway 
considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are these really 
this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at highway speeds 
recently?


Donald H. Snook
1982 300D (Award Winner!)
2017 Toyota 4Runner


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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Just have to learn to drive it. It’s a totally different mindset driving one of 
these. 

Bob R

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> On Oct 7, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Donald,
> 
> These are common issues well known issues for this car.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Don Snook via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and 
>> good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking up 
>> the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67 horsepower). 
>>  Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find anyone that 
>> actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary part.  0-75 
>> mph takes 45 seconds!
>> 
>> AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a 
>> long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will 
>> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem 
>> really slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.  
>> Guess what the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN 
>> HOUR.   So, it takes a quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is 
>> safe to be on the highway!
>> 
>> These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a highway 
>> considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are these really 
>> this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at highway speeds 
>> recently?
>> 
>> 
>> Donald H. Snook
>> 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
>> 2017 Toyota 4Runner
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Donald,

These are common issues well known issues for this car.

-D

> On Oct 7, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Don Snook via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and 
> good paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking up 
> the specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67 horsepower).  
> Top Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find anyone that 
> actually tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary part.  0-75 mph 
> takes 45 seconds!
> 
> AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a 
> long entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will 
> then take another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem really 
> slow - maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.  Guess what 
> the speed is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN HOUR.   So, it 
> takes a quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is safe to be on the 
> highway!
> 
> These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a highway 
> considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are these really 
> this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at highway speeds 
> recently?
> 
> 
> Donald H. Snook
> 1982 300D (Award Winner!)
> 2017 Toyota 4Runner
> 
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[MBZ] 240D Question: Dangerous?

[Don Snook via Mercedes]

I found an 82 240D automatic nearby with 211K miles.  Has working a/c and good 
paint and interior.  No rust.  Everything works.  But, I was looking up the 
specs on it.  These cars have 67 HP  (yes that is right, 67 horsepower).  Top 
Speed 86 mph (this is a factory claim.  I couldn't find anyone that actually 
tested or confirmed this).  Here is the really scary part.  0-75 mph takes 45 
seconds!

AND to get from 40 mph up to 75 takes 23 seconds.  So, lets say you have a long 
entrance ramp on a highway and you can get it up to 40 mph.  It will then take 
another 23 seconds to get up to 75 mph.   Those numbers seem really slow - 
maybe that is a little off.  But, this is one indication.  Guess what the speed 
is for the quarter mile for this car?   60 MILES AN HOUR.   So, it takes a 
quarter mile to get to 60!   I'm not sure that is safe to be on the highway!

These numbers sound like it could be dangerous trying to drive on a highway 
considering 70-80 mph is pretty much regular traffic flow.  Are these really 
this bad?  Anyone have one of these and tried to drive it at highway speeds 
recently?


Donald H. Snook
1982 300D (Award Winner!)
2017 Toyota 4Runner


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Re: [MBZ] 240D door seals and clips

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just makes it easier to look things up. A lot of variants of the W123 chassis 
in the EPC.

-D


> On Aug 27, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry, 1983 240 D
> 
> Michael E. Esh
> 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Model year and/or chassis number?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have the part numbers handy for the front door seals and 
>>> installation clips for W123 chassis
>>> My internet access is down and I would like to order a set of them. 
>>> I’m going to call and try to order them. 
>>> 
>>> Michael E. Esh
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D door seals and clips

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Sorry, 1983 240 D

Michael E. Esh


> On Aug 27, 2019, at 12:23 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> Model year and/or chassis number?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone have the part numbers handy for the front door seals and 
>> installation clips for W123 chassis
>> My internet access is down and I would like to order a set of them. 
>> I’m going to call and try to order them. 
>> 
>> Michael E. Esh
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Re: [MBZ] 240D door seals and clips

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Model year and/or chassis number?

-D


> On Aug 27, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes 
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> 
> Does anyone have the part numbers handy for the front door seals and 
> installation clips for W123 chassis
> My internet access is down and I would like to order a set of them. 
> I’m going to call and try to order them. 
> 
> Michael E. Esh
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[MBZ] 240D door seals and clips

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Does anyone have the part numbers handy for the front door seals and 
installation clips for W123 chassis
My internet access is down and I would like to order a set of them. 
I’m going to call and try to order them. 

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Re: [MBZ] 240D manny in Tucson $2k

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

I’m looking at it today. 

Bob R

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> On Nov 24, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> You beat me to the punch.
> 
> 
> Rick
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> Subject: [MBZ] 240D manny in Tucson $2k
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> https://tucson.craigslist.org/cto/d/1982-mercedes-benz-240d/6754345880.html
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Re: [MBZ] 240D manny in Tucson $2k

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

You beat me to the punch.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] 240D manny in Tucson $2k


https://tucson.craigslist.org/cto/d/1982-mercedes-benz-240d/6754345880.html

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[MBZ] 240D manny in Tucson $2k

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://tucson.craigslist.org/cto/d/1982-mercedes-benz-240d/6754345880.html

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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator replacement

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Haha, good one!  I’ll try that next time.

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> On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey Dimitri, I hate to break it to you, but there is an app for that. It's
> called 123 Radiator Fix It.
> 
> On Nov 4, 2018 11:04 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> A dab of mighty "J B Weld" on the face of the nut, put it in place, run the
> bolt in from the other side to secure the nut while J B Weld is curing
> Nut stays in place while installing cooler from awkward position.
> 
> Lightly oil bolt threads so JB Weld does not set on threads.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 8:49 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> or buy the captive nuts?   actually, they are just insurance;
>> lockbolts.  The oil cooler is held in place by friction/gravity.
>> 
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Bravo!
>>> 
>>> Next time, super glue the nuts in place?  Probably won't be a next
>> time...
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator replacement

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I didn’t have the patience to wait for jb weld to cure enough to prevent the 
bolt from just pushing the nut off!

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> On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:04 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A dab of mighty "J B Weld" on the face of the nut, put it in place, run the
> bolt in from the other side to secure the nut while J B Weld is curing
> Nut stays in place while installing cooler from awkward position.
> 
> Lightly oil bolt threads so JB Weld does not set on threads.
> 
> On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 8:49 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> or buy the captive nuts?   actually, they are just insurance;
>> lockbolts.  The oil cooler is held in place by friction/gravity.
>> 
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Bravo!
>>> 
>>> Next time, super glue the nuts in place?  Probably won't be a next
>> time...
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator replacement

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I re-used the captive nuts from the old radiator but they would not stay put! 
Perhaps the teeth on the old nuts were worn off? How is the oil cooler held in 
place without being bolted to the radiator? I didn’t see any options where a 
friction fit would work.

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> On Nov 4, 2018, at 10:49 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> or buy the captive nuts?   actually, they are just insurance; lockbolts.  The 
> oil cooler is held in place by friction/gravity.
> 
> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> Bravo!
>> 
>> Next time, super glue the nuts in place?  Probably won't be a next time...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator replacement

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Hey Dimitri, I hate to break it to you, but there is an app for that. It's
called 123 Radiator Fix It.

On Nov 4, 2018 11:04 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:

A dab of mighty "J B Weld" on the face of the nut, put it in place, run the
bolt in from the other side to secure the nut while J B Weld is curing
Nut stays in place while installing cooler from awkward position.

Lightly oil bolt threads so JB Weld does not set on threads.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 8:49 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> or buy the captive nuts?   actually, they are just insurance;
> lockbolts.  The oil cooler is held in place by friction/gravity.
>
> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > Bravo!
> >
> > Next time, super glue the nuts in place?  Probably won't be a next
> time...
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator replacement

[G Mann via Mercedes]

A dab of mighty "J B Weld" on the face of the nut, put it in place, run the
bolt in from the other side to secure the nut while J B Weld is curing
Nut stays in place while installing cooler from awkward position.

Lightly oil bolt threads so JB Weld does not set on threads.

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 8:49 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> or buy the captive nuts?   actually, they are just insurance;
> lockbolts.  The oil cooler is held in place by friction/gravity.
>
> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> > Bravo!
> >
> > Next time, super glue the nuts in place?  Probably won't be a next
> time...
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator replacement

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

or buy the captive nuts?   actually, they are just insurance; 
lockbolts.  The oil cooler is held in place by friction/gravity.


Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Bravo!

Next time, super glue the nuts in place?  Probably won't be a next time...



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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator replacement

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Tech tip to keep the neighbors from thinking you are crazy.

Next time it's necessary to curse or vent.. whip out the cell phone and
talk into it... they will think you are chewing someone a new orifice and
laying down the law. Suddenly, you are no longer crazy...

On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 6:38 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> Attaboy Dimitri. No substitute for frigonometry  on old MB tinkering.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Nov 4, 2018 6:52 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> > So I finally replaced the leaking radiator on my 240D today. I bought a
> > new Behr- Hella from FCP-Euro which cost $195 including shipping.
> > The job would have been really quick but re-attaching the engine oil
> > cooler to the radiator proved to be a real nightmare. The problem stems
> > from the fact that there is no way to secure the nuts on the inside of
> the
> > channel where the cooler gets bolted. The original Mercedes radiator had
> > the nuts pressed into the holes in the channel. The replacement doesn’t
> > have these captive nuts so it is virtually impossible to keep them from
> > falling away while installing the bolts since there basically is no
> access
> > to the tight space in the channel. The lower one was the biggest problem
> > which I eventually solved by wedging a thin piece of wood in the channel
> to
> > keep the nut in place while installing the bolt. The wooden wedge had to
> be
> > split and mangled into oblivion in order to extract it from this tight
> > space with the oil cooler partially installed. I couldn’t just leave it
> > there since it would interfere with the proper installation of the
> cooler.
> > Luckily, I managed to get my finger in the channel to hold the upper nut
> in
> > place while installing the upper mounting bolt. There was a lot of
> cursing
> > and talking to myself while doing this job. The neighbors probably think
> > that I’m insane!
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator replacement

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Attaboy Dimitri. No substitute for frigonometry  on old MB tinkering.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 4, 2018 6:52 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> So I finally replaced the leaking radiator on my 240D today. I bought a
> new Behr- Hella from FCP-Euro which cost $195 including shipping.
> The job would have been really quick but re-attaching the engine oil
> cooler to the radiator proved to be a real nightmare. The problem stems
> from the fact that there is no way to secure the nuts on the inside of the
> channel where the cooler gets bolted. The original Mercedes radiator had
> the nuts pressed into the holes in the channel. The replacement doesn’t
> have these captive nuts so it is virtually impossible to keep them from
> falling away while installing the bolts since there basically is no access
> to the tight space in the channel. The lower one was the biggest problem
> which I eventually solved by wedging a thin piece of wood in the channel to
> keep the nut in place while installing the bolt. The wooden wedge had to be
> split and mangled into oblivion in order to extract it from this tight
> space with the oil cooler partially installed. I couldn’t just leave it
> there since it would interfere with the proper installation of the cooler.
> Luckily, I managed to get my finger in the channel to hold the upper nut in
> place while installing the upper mounting bolt. There was a lot of cursing
> and talking to myself while doing this job. The neighbors probably think
> that I’m insane!
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator replacement

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I have read of people using the blue sticky putty that people use to stick 
paper to a wall or fridge. I have some miniature vise grip needle nose that 
often work for me for tight spaces.

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] 240D radiator replacement

So I finally replaced the leaking radiator on my 240D today. I bought a new 
Behr- Hella from FCP-Euro which cost $195 including shipping. 
The job would have been really quick but re-attaching the engine oil cooler to 
the radiator proved to be a real nightmare. The problem stems from the fact 
that there is no way to secure the nuts on the inside of the channel where the 
cooler gets bolted. The original Mercedes radiator had the nuts pressed into 
the holes in the channel. The replacement doesn’t have these captive nuts so it 
is virtually impossible to keep them from falling away while installing the 
bolts since there basically is no access to the tight space in the channel. The 
lower one was the biggest problem which I eventually solved by wedging a thin 
piece of wood in the channel to keep the nut in place while installing the 
bolt. The wooden wedge had to be split and mangled into oblivion in order to 
extract it from this tight space with the oil cooler partially installed. I 
couldn’t just leave it there since it would interfere with the proper 
installation of the cooler. Luckily, I managed to get my finger in the channel 
to hold the upper nut in place while installing the upper mounting bolt. There 
was a lot of cursing and talking to myself while doing this job. The neighbors 
probably think that I’m insane!

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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator replacement

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Bravo!

Next time, super glue the nuts in place?  Probably won't be a next time...
-- 
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Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 4, 2018 6:51:44 PM EST, Dimitri via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>So I finally replaced the leaking radiator on my 240D today. I bought a
>new Behr- Hella from FCP-Euro which cost $195 including shipping. 
>The job would have been really quick but re-attaching the engine oil
>cooler to the radiator proved to be a real nightmare. The problem stems
>from the fact that there is no way to secure the nuts on the inside of
>the channel where the cooler gets bolted. The original Mercedes
>radiator had the nuts pressed into the holes in the channel. The
>replacement doesn’t have these captive nuts so it is virtually
>impossible to keep them from falling away while installing the bolts
>since there basically is no access to the tight space in the channel.
>The lower one was the biggest problem which I eventually solved by
>wedging a thin piece of wood in the channel to keep the nut in place
>while installing the bolt. The wooden wedge had to be split and mangled
>into oblivion in order to extract it from this tight space with the oil
>cooler partially installed. I couldn’t just leave it there since it
>would interfere with the proper installation of the cooler. Luckily, I
>managed to get my finger in the channel to hold the upper nut in place
>while installing the upper mounting bolt. There was a lot of cursing
>and talking to myself while doing this job. The neighbors probably
>think that I’m insane!
>
>Sent from my iPhone
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[MBZ] 240D radiator replacement

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

So I finally replaced the leaking radiator on my 240D today. I bought a new 
Behr- Hella from FCP-Euro which cost $195 including shipping. 
The job would have been really quick but re-attaching the engine oil cooler to 
the radiator proved to be a real nightmare. The problem stems from the fact 
that there is no way to secure the nuts on the inside of the channel where the 
cooler gets bolted. The original Mercedes radiator had the nuts pressed into 
the holes in the channel. The replacement doesn’t have these captive nuts so it 
is virtually impossible to keep them from falling away while installing the 
bolts since there basically is no access to the tight space in the channel. The 
lower one was the biggest problem which I eventually solved by wedging a thin 
piece of wood in the channel to keep the nut in place while installing the 
bolt. The wooden wedge had to be split and mangled into oblivion in order to 
extract it from this tight space with the oil cooler partially installed. I 
couldn’t just leave it there since it would interfere with the proper 
installation of the cooler. Luckily, I managed to get my finger in the channel 
to hold the upper nut in place while installing the upper mounting bolt. There 
was a lot of cursing and talking to myself while doing this job. The neighbors 
probably think that I’m insane!

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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Agreed!

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Oct 25, 2018 9:37 PM, "Dimitri"  wrote:

> Right, there are so many w123 Mercedes still on the road so discontinuing
> critical mechanical parts is just plain stupid. People who drive W123s are
> usually not in the market for a new Mercedes so it’s not like Mercedes is
> sacrificing new car sales by keeping the w123s on the road.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 25, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>
> Yes,Dimitri - you are,spot on. MB knows their cars ,last a long time &
> they should support them. Esp such simple ones,as,240D's.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Oct 25, 2018 6:59 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> To follow-up, the classic center says that Mercedes no longer makes
> radiators for this car and that I should go to the aftermarket.
>
> The dealership told me that I should take the car to a local Indy shop to
> have it fixed since they can’t source the part. I wouldn’t take it to the
> dealership anyway since I will fix myself but this only goes to show that
> Mercedes just wants to cater to new cars and their owners. They make techno
> gadget laden rolling computers which when they have something fail in 5-10
> years will tell the owner, sorry we can’t source the part so you’re on your
> own. If they can’t fix the most simple and basic car like a 240D, imagine
> what will happen when one of these techno crap cars breaks 10 years down
> the line. This whole affair leaves me with very little faith in Mercedes as
> a company.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 25, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Out of curiosity, I called my local dealership to see if they can
> comment on whether a radiator is available for a manual tranny car and they
> just flat out told me that Mercedes does not make a radiator for my car
> anymore. I highly doubt that’s the case and so I will call the Classic
> Center once they open.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:27:36 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't have auto and 4 spd side by side any more so I can't go look.
> >>> I am 95% sure you could make the A/T version work.  They may have the
> >>> same exterior dimensions.
> >>
> >> In order to fit the standard W123 body and standard 240D opening, they
> >> MUST have the same exterior dimensions.
> >>
> >> The 300D radiator is wider than the 240D radiator by design because of
> >> the additional heat load. In this case a panel is removed from the front
> >> of a 240D to change the opening from one for a standard 240D radiator to
> >> a one for a standard 300D radiator (and, I suspect, to standard 280E and
> >> other model radiators).
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Right, there are so many w123 Mercedes still on the road so discontinuing 
critical mechanical parts is just plain stupid. People who drive W123s are 
usually not in the market for a new Mercedes so it’s not like Mercedes is 
sacrificing new car sales by keeping the w123s on the road.

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> On Oct 25, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Yes,Dimitri - you are,spot on. MB knows their cars ,last a long time & they 
> should support them. Esp such simple ones,as,240D's.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Oct 25, 2018 6:59 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes"  wrote:
> To follow-up, the classic center says that Mercedes no longer makes radiators 
> for this car and that I should go to the aftermarket.
> 
> The dealership told me that I should take the car to a local Indy shop to 
> have it fixed since they can’t source the part. I wouldn’t take it to the 
> dealership anyway since I will fix myself but this only goes to show that 
> Mercedes just wants to cater to new cars and their owners. They make techno 
> gadget laden rolling computers which when they have something fail in 5-10 
> years will tell the owner, sorry we can’t source the part so you’re on your 
> own. If they can’t fix the most simple and basic car like a 240D, imagine 
> what will happen when one of these techno crap cars breaks 10 years down the 
> line. This whole affair leaves me with very little faith in Mercedes as a 
> company.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 25, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Out of curiosity, I called my local dealership to see if they can comment 
> > on whether a radiator is available for a manual tranny car and they just 
> > flat out told me that Mercedes does not make a radiator for my car anymore. 
> > I highly doubt that’s the case and so I will call the Classic Center once 
> > they open.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:27:36 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> I don't have auto and 4 spd side by side any more so I can't go look.
> >>> I am 95% sure you could make the A/T version work.  They may have the
> >>> same exterior dimensions.
> >> 
> >> In order to fit the standard W123 body and standard 240D opening, they
> >> MUST have the same exterior dimensions.
> >> 
> >> The 300D radiator is wider than the 240D radiator by design because of
> >> the additional heat load. In this case a panel is removed from the front
> >> of a 240D to change the opening from one for a standard 240D radiator to
> >> a one for a standard 300D radiator (and, I suspect, to standard 280E and
> >> other model radiators).
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes,Dimitri - you are,spot on. MB knows their cars ,last a long time & they
should support them. Esp such simple ones,as,240D's.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Oct 25, 2018 6:59 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
wrote:

To follow-up, the classic center says that Mercedes no longer makes
radiators for this car and that I should go to the aftermarket.

The dealership told me that I should take the car to a local Indy shop to
have it fixed since they can’t source the part. I wouldn’t take it to the
dealership anyway since I will fix myself but this only goes to show that
Mercedes just wants to cater to new cars and their owners. They make techno
gadget laden rolling computers which when they have something fail in 5-10
years will tell the owner, sorry we can’t source the part so you’re on your
own. If they can’t fix the most simple and basic car like a 240D, imagine
what will happen when one of these techno crap cars breaks 10 years down
the line. This whole affair leaves me with very little faith in Mercedes as
a company.

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> On Oct 25, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, I called my local dealership to see if they can comment
on whether a radiator is available for a manual tranny car and they just
flat out told me that Mercedes does not make a radiator for my car anymore.
I highly doubt that’s the case and so I will call the Classic Center once
they open.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:27:36 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have auto and 4 spd side by side any more so I can't go look.
>>> I am 95% sure you could make the A/T version work.  They may have the
>>> same exterior dimensions.
>>
>> In order to fit the standard W123 body and standard 240D opening, they
>> MUST have the same exterior dimensions.
>>
>> The 300D radiator is wider than the 240D radiator by design because of
>> the additional heat load. In this case a panel is removed from the front
>> of a 240D to change the opening from one for a standard 240D radiator to
>> a one for a standard 300D radiator (and, I suspect, to standard 280E and
>> other model radiators).
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Yes you are right but I always expected more from Mercedes. Now they just seem 
to behave like every other cheap car dealership. 

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> On Oct 25, 2018, at 8:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I wonder what would happen were you to go to any other dealership and ask
> for a radiator for a 35+ year old vehicle, even a 20 year old one?
> 
> On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 5:59 PM Dimitri via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> To follow-up, the classic center says that Mercedes no longer makes
>> radiators for this car and that I should go to the aftermarket.
>> 
>> The dealership told me that I should take the car to a local Indy shop to
>> have it fixed since they can’t source the part. I wouldn’t take it to the
>> dealership anyway since I will fix myself but this only goes to show that
>> Mercedes just wants to cater to new cars and their owners. They make techno
>> gadget laden rolling computers which when they have something fail in 5-10
>> years will tell the owner, sorry we can’t source the part so you’re on your
>> own. If they can’t fix the most simple and basic car like a 240D, imagine
>> what will happen when one of these techno crap cars breaks 10 years down
>> the line. This whole affair leaves me with very little faith in Mercedes as
>> a company.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 25, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Out of curiosity, I called my local dealership to see if they can
>> comment on whether a radiator is available for a manual tranny car and they
>> just flat out told me that Mercedes does not make a radiator for my car
>> anymore. I highly doubt that’s the case and so I will call the Classic
>> Center once they open.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
 
 On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:27:36 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
> I don't have auto and 4 spd side by side any more so I can't go look.
> I am 95% sure you could make the A/T version work.  They may have the
> same exterior dimensions.
 
 In order to fit the standard W123 body and standard 240D opening, they
 MUST have the same exterior dimensions.
 
 The 300D radiator is wider than the 240D radiator by design because of
 the additional heat load. In this case a panel is removed from the front
 of a 240D to change the opening from one for a standard 240D radiator to
 a one for a standard 300D radiator (and, I suspect, to standard 280E and
 other model radiators).
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I wonder what would happen were you to go to any other dealership and ask
for a radiator for a 35+ year old vehicle, even a 20 year old one?

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 5:59 PM Dimitri via Mercedes 
wrote:

> To follow-up, the classic center says that Mercedes no longer makes
> radiators for this car and that I should go to the aftermarket.
>
> The dealership told me that I should take the car to a local Indy shop to
> have it fixed since they can’t source the part. I wouldn’t take it to the
> dealership anyway since I will fix myself but this only goes to show that
> Mercedes just wants to cater to new cars and their owners. They make techno
> gadget laden rolling computers which when they have something fail in 5-10
> years will tell the owner, sorry we can’t source the part so you’re on your
> own. If they can’t fix the most simple and basic car like a 240D, imagine
> what will happen when one of these techno crap cars breaks 10 years down
> the line. This whole affair leaves me with very little faith in Mercedes as
> a company.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 25, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Out of curiosity, I called my local dealership to see if they can
> comment on whether a radiator is available for a manual tranny car and they
> just flat out told me that Mercedes does not make a radiator for my car
> anymore. I highly doubt that’s the case and so I will call the Classic
> Center once they open.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:27:36 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't have auto and 4 spd side by side any more so I can't go look.
> >>> I am 95% sure you could make the A/T version work.  They may have the
> >>> same exterior dimensions.
> >>
> >> In order to fit the standard W123 body and standard 240D opening, they
> >> MUST have the same exterior dimensions.
> >>
> >> The 300D radiator is wider than the 240D radiator by design because of
> >> the additional heat load. In this case a panel is removed from the front
> >> of a 240D to change the opening from one for a standard 240D radiator to
> >> a one for a standard 300D radiator (and, I suspect, to standard 280E and
> >> other model radiators).
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 25 Oct 2018 19:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Didn't Nissens used to be the radiator of choice?

That's what I recall.


> Rock Auto sells them cheaper than Behr. 

Interesting.


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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I was going to say, why be that way when Behr still makes them?
But I see that Hella/Behr is selling aluminum and plastic, just like Nissens. 
So maybe MBZ dropped them because they can't source an exact match any more. 

Didn't Nissens used to be the radiator of choice?
Rock Auto sells them cheaper than Behr. 

Mitch. 

> On October 25, 2018 at 6:58 PM Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> To follow-up, the classic center says that Mercedes no longer makes radiators 
> for this car and that I should go to the aftermarket.
> 
> The dealership told me that I should take the car to a local Indy shop to 
> have it fixed since they can’t source the part. I wouldn’t take it to the 
> dealership anyway since I will fix myself but this only goes to show that 
> Mercedes just wants to cater to new cars and their owners.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

To follow-up, the classic center says that Mercedes no longer makes radiators 
for this car and that I should go to the aftermarket.

The dealership told me that I should take the car to a local Indy shop to have 
it fixed since they can’t source the part. I wouldn’t take it to the dealership 
anyway since I will fix myself but this only goes to show that Mercedes just 
wants to cater to new cars and their owners. They make techno gadget laden 
rolling computers which when they have something fail in 5-10 years will tell 
the owner, sorry we can’t source the part so you’re on your own. If they can’t 
fix the most simple and basic car like a 240D, imagine what will happen when 
one of these techno crap cars breaks 10 years down the line. This whole affair 
leaves me with very little faith in Mercedes as a company.

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> On Oct 25, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Out of curiosity, I called my local dealership to see if they can comment on 
> whether a radiator is available for a manual tranny car and they just flat 
> out told me that Mercedes does not make a radiator for my car anymore. I 
> highly doubt that’s the case and so I will call the Classic Center once they 
> open.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:27:36 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't have auto and 4 spd side by side any more so I can't go look.
>>> I am 95% sure you could make the A/T version work.  They may have the
>>> same exterior dimensions.
>> 
>> In order to fit the standard W123 body and standard 240D opening, they
>> MUST have the same exterior dimensions.
>> 
>> The 300D radiator is wider than the 240D radiator by design because of
>> the additional heat load. In this case a panel is removed from the front
>> of a 240D to change the opening from one for a standard 240D radiator to
>> a one for a standard 300D radiator (and, I suspect, to standard 280E and
>> other model radiators).
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

That's what I would do if I had an old brass and copper radiator. 
Not worth thinking about with an aluminum and plastic radiator (like the one I 
replaced in my ML350)

30 years ago I'd know where to go. 
I wonder if they're still in business?
Oh, wow, not only is the place still open and still on Larch St, they've got a 
web site. 
I'd bet the 50-60 year old guy I dealt with in 1986 is long gone. 
http://lansingradiator.net/radiator-service/2193503

> On October 25, 2018 at 5:49 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are there still radiator shops that will rebuild a radiator? I had one 
> done for a Chevy pickup years ago. They reused the end caps but replaced 
> the core.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

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On 24/10/2018 5:44 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:

My 78 240D has a leaking radiator- the fins at the bottom appear to be all 
corroded away. The car has a manual tranny so I’m wondering if there are two 
options for a radiator, one for an automatic car which has the transmission 
cooler openings on the bottom and one for a manual tranny car which does not. 
The pictures on the autohausaz website show the transmission cooler line 
attachments so I’m not sure how to proceed.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Search for NOS and you might find one..

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 12:39 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> I see Behr and OEM, but I don't see OE on eBay.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I see Behr and OEM, but I don't see OE on eBay. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I did a quick search on ebay.  Looks like they are still plentiful for and
cost around $200.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=mercedes+240d+123+radiator&_sacat=0

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> Well they no longer have them available for the SDL which is a newer car,
> s.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 25, 2018, at 8:43 AM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Out of curiosity, I called my local dealership to see if they can
> comment on whether a radiator is available for a manual tranny car and they
> just flat out told me that Mercedes does not make a radiator for my car
> anymore. I highly doubt that’s the case and so I will call the Classic
> Center once they open.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:27:36 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't have auto and 4 spd side by side any more so I can't go look.
> >>> I am 95% sure you could make the A/T version work.  They may have the
> >>> same exterior dimensions.
> >>
> >> In order to fit the standard W123 body and standard 240D opening, they
> >> MUST have the same exterior dimensions.
> >>
> >> The 300D radiator is wider than the 240D radiator by design because of
> >> the additional heat load. In this case a panel is removed from the front
> >> of a 240D to change the opening from one for a standard 240D radiator to
> >> a one for a standard 300D radiator (and, I suspect, to standard 280E and
> >> other model radiators).
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

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Well they no longer have them available for the SDL which is a newer car, 
s.

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> wrote:
> 
> Out of curiosity, I called my local dealership to see if they can comment on 
> whether a radiator is available for a manual tranny car and they just flat 
> out told me that Mercedes does not make a radiator for my car anymore. I 
> highly doubt that’s the case and so I will call the Classic Center once they 
> open.
> 
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>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:27:36 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't have auto and 4 spd side by side any more so I can't go look.
>>> I am 95% sure you could make the A/T version work.  They may have the
>>> same exterior dimensions.
>> 
>> In order to fit the standard W123 body and standard 240D opening, they
>> MUST have the same exterior dimensions.
>> 
>> The 300D radiator is wider than the 240D radiator by design because of
>> the additional heat load. In this case a panel is removed from the front
>> of a 240D to change the opening from one for a standard 240D radiator to
>> a one for a standard 300D radiator (and, I suspect, to standard 280E and
>> other model radiators).
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

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Out of curiosity, I called my local dealership to see if they can comment on 
whether a radiator is available for a manual tranny car and they just flat out 
told me that Mercedes does not make a radiator for my car anymore. I highly 
doubt that’s the case and so I will call the Classic Center once they open.

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> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:27:36 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I don't have auto and 4 spd side by side any more so I can't go look.
>> I am 95% sure you could make the A/T version work.  They may have the
>> same exterior dimensions.
> 
> In order to fit the standard W123 body and standard 240D opening, they
> MUST have the same exterior dimensions.
> 
> The 300D radiator is wider than the 240D radiator by design because of
> the additional heat load. In this case a panel is removed from the front
> of a 240D to change the opening from one for a standard 240D radiator to
> a one for a standard 300D radiator (and, I suspect, to standard 280E and
> other model radiators).
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:27:36 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I don't have auto and 4 spd side by side any more so I can't go look.
> I am 95% sure you could make the A/T version work.  They may have the
> same exterior dimensions.

In order to fit the standard W123 body and standard 240D opening, they
MUST have the same exterior dimensions.

The 300D radiator is wider than the 240D radiator by design because of
the additional heat load. In this case a panel is removed from the front
of a 240D to change the opening from one for a standard 240D radiator to
a one for a standard 300D radiator (and, I suspect, to standard 280E and
other model radiators).


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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I guess I’ll just buy a new one and leave the plastic caps on the holes like 
Jaime suggested.

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> On Oct 24, 2018, at 9:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> or if you get a used radiator, just cut off the hoses, then cut off the 
> ferrules from the fittings, and stick a piece of new hose between the 2 
> fittings.   That would keep the insides clean.  You could even make a couple 
> of wood plugs with a pocketknife and the right sized stick.
> 
> Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think I just left them open.  You could keep the plastic caps that the
>> radiator comes with on them if you want.  Doesn't really matter.
>> 
>> Jaime
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

or if you get a used radiator, just cut off the hoses, then cut off the 
ferrules from the fittings, and stick a piece of new hose between the 2 
fittings.   That would keep the insides clean.  You could even make a 
couple of wood plugs with a pocketknife and the right sized stick.


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I think I just left them open.  You could keep the plastic caps that the
radiator comes with on them if you want.  Doesn't really matter.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I don't have auto and 4 spd side by side any more so I can't go look.  I 
am 95% sure you could make the A/T version work.  They may have the same 
exterior dimensions.


Dimitri via Mercedes wrote:

My 78 240D has a leaking radiator- the fins at the bottom appear to be all 
corroded away. The car has a manual tranny so I’m wondering if there are two 
options for a radiator, one for an automatic car which has the transmission 
cooler openings on the bottom and one for a manual tranny car which does not. 
The pictures on the autohausaz website show the transmission cooler line 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

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I think I just left them open.  You could keep the plastic caps that the
radiator comes with on them if you want.  Doesn't really matter.

Jaime


On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 7:47 PM Dimitri  wrote:

> Did you leave the connections on the bottom of the radiator open or
> somehow plug them?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Oct 24, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > There are two different radiators.  Or, at least, there were.  I wouldn't
> > be surprised if they only offer the automatic version now.
> >
> > Back in the day I found a nearly new 300D (non turbo) radiator from a
> junk
> > yard and put it in my manual 240D.  Fit perfect, added a few inches in
> > width.  That car never ran about the mid to high 80s, even in extreme
> heat
> > with the AC on.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 6:45 PM Dimitri via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> My 78 240D has a leaking radiator- the fins at the bottom appear to be
> all
> >> corroded away. The car has a manual tranny so I’m wondering if there are
> >> two options for a radiator, one for an automatic car which has the
> >> transmission cooler openings on the bottom and one for a manual tranny
> car
> >> which does not. The pictures on the autohausaz website show the
> >> transmission cooler line attachments so I’m not sure how to proceed.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

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Did you leave the connections on the bottom of the radiator open or somehow 
plug them?

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> On Oct 24, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There are two different radiators.  Or, at least, there were.  I wouldn't
> be surprised if they only offer the automatic version now.
> 
> Back in the day I found a nearly new 300D (non turbo) radiator from a junk
> yard and put it in my manual 240D.  Fit perfect, added a few inches in
> width.  That car never ran about the mid to high 80s, even in extreme heat
> with the AC on.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 6:45 PM Dimitri via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> My 78 240D has a leaking radiator- the fins at the bottom appear to be all
>> corroded away. The car has a manual tranny so I’m wondering if there are
>> two options for a radiator, one for an automatic car which has the
>> transmission cooler openings on the bottom and one for a manual tranny car
>> which does not. The pictures on the autohausaz website show the
>> transmission cooler line attachments so I’m not sure how to proceed.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

There are two different radiators.  Or, at least, there were.  I wouldn't
be surprised if they only offer the automatic version now.

Back in the day I found a nearly new 300D (non turbo) radiator from a junk
yard and put it in my manual 240D.  Fit perfect, added a few inches in
width.  That car never ran about the mid to high 80s, even in extreme heat
with the AC on.

Jaime


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wrote:

> My 78 240D has a leaking radiator- the fins at the bottom appear to be all
> corroded away. The car has a manual tranny so I’m wondering if there are
> two options for a radiator, one for an automatic car which has the
> transmission cooler openings on the bottom and one for a manual tranny car
> which does not. The pictures on the autohausaz website show the
> transmission cooler line attachments so I’m not sure how to proceed.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 18:14:04 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> If it has connections for trans cooler it does not matter, they will
> just be left open on a manual car.

Do you think the manual transmission car radiator has any additional
cooling above an automatic transmission car radiator?

Or is the empty space in the manual transmission radiator just filled
with the heat exchanger tubing for cooling an automatic transmission?


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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If it has connections for trans cooler it does not matter, they will just be 
left open on a manual car.

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> On Oct 24, 2018, at 5:44 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My 78 240D has a leaking radiator- the fins at the bottom appear to be all 
> corroded away. The car has a manual tranny so I’m wondering if there are two 
> options for a radiator, one for an automatic car which has the transmission 
> cooler openings on the bottom and one for a manual tranny car which does not. 
> The pictures on the autohausaz website show the transmission cooler line 
> attachments so I’m not sure how to proceed.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D radiator

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Dimitri- call that restoration  guy we talked to at Mercedes day. He had
just done a,stick 240D.
I have his card.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Oct 24, 2018 6:45 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
wrote:

My 78 240D has a leaking radiator- the fins at the bottom appear to be all
corroded away. The car has a manual tranny so I’m wondering if there are
two options for a radiator, one for an automatic car which has the
transmission cooler openings on the bottom and one for a manual tranny car
which does not. The pictures on the autohausaz website show the
transmission cooler line attachments so I’m not sure how to proceed.

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[MBZ] 240D radiator

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

My 78 240D has a leaking radiator- the fins at the bottom appear to be all 
corroded away. The car has a manual tranny so I’m wondering if there are two 
options for a radiator, one for an automatic car which has the transmission 
cooler openings on the bottom and one for a manual tranny car which does not. 
The pictures on the autohausaz website show the transmission cooler line 
attachments so I’m not sure how to proceed.

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[MBZ] 240D with heated seats

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Too bad it’s rusty as hell

1082 Mercedes-Benz 240D

https://columbiamo.craigslist.org/cto/d/1082-mercedes-benz-240d/6705108506.html


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Re: [MBZ] 240D window seals.

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CHECK YOUR FIREWALL GROMMETS!

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I didn’t replace those but they are important to replace if you don’t want
> your door bottoms to rust out! In the meantime I douse the inside of the
> door bottoms with Fluid Film!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On May 15, 2018, at 9:17 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >
> > I would bet that too. I have to get some side window seals for my 300
> CD. Will call classic center.
> >
> > Dwight Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >> On May 15, 2018 8:19 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> >> We had some torrential rain here in MA today- a good test for the newly
> installed front and rear window seals. And they didn’t leak! It’s been so
> long since I’ve had a w123 with watertight windows!
> >>
> >> There is a trickle of water coming from passenger side footwell under
> the dash. I bet it’s rust under the battery tray. Time for some POR-15 and
> fiberglass!
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Re: [MBZ] 240D window seals.

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I didn’t replace those but they are important to replace if you don’t want your 
door bottoms to rust out! In the meantime I douse the inside of the door 
bottoms with Fluid Film! 

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> On May 15, 2018, at 9:17 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> I would bet that too. I have to get some side window seals for my 300 CD. 
> Will call classic center.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
>> On May 15, 2018 8:19 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes"  
>> wrote:
>> We had some torrential rain here in MA today- a good test for the newly 
>> installed front and rear window seals. And they didn’t leak! It’s been so 
>> long since I’ve had a w123 with watertight windows! 
>> 
>> There is a trickle of water coming from passenger side footwell under the 
>> dash. I bet it’s rust under the battery tray. Time for some POR-15 and 
>> fiberglass!
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D window seals.

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I would bet that too. I have to get some side window seals for my 300 CD.
Will call classic center.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On May 15, 2018 8:19 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> We had some torrential rain here in MA today- a good test for the newly
> installed front and rear window seals. And they didn’t leak! It’s been so
> long since I’ve had a w123 with watertight windows!
>
> There is a trickle of water coming from passenger side footwell under the
> dash. I bet it’s rust under the battery tray. Time for some POR-15 and
> fiberglass!
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[MBZ] 240D window seals.

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

We had some torrential rain here in MA today- a good test for the newly 
installed front and rear window seals. And they didn’t leak! It’s been so long 
since I’ve had a w123 with watertight windows! 

There is a trickle of water coming from passenger side footwell under the dash. 
I bet it’s rust under the battery tray. Time for some POR-15 and fiberglass!

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[MBZ] 240d commercial

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/1044164745618545/permalink/1692872487414431/

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Re: [MBZ] 240D offer

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I'll keep that in mind.
Thanks,
Gerry

Dwight Giles wrote:
> If no rust it would bring that here in the northeast.
 
> On Mar 30, 2018 9:52 AM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
> > If the car is “like new” then I think that the right buyer might pay 7k
> > even with that mileage.
> >
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> > > On Mar 30, 2018, at 8:22 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's what I'm thinking...
> > >
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> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 240D offer

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She didn't call today, so who knows?
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] 240D offer

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She's waiting for her husband to go out

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Buggered Benzmail wrote:

Maybe she just wanted your phone number!

G: She didn't ask for it; I volunteered it.  I told her to call me today if she 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D offer

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If no rust it would bring that here in the northeast.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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On Mar 30, 2018 9:52 AM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
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> If the car is “like new” then I think that the right buyer might pay 7k
> even with that mileage.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D offer

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Dimitri wrote:
> If the car is “like new” then I think that the right buyer might pay 7k even 
> with that mileage.

G: Thanks, Dimitri.

Meade Dillon wrote:
> > That's what I'm thinking...
> > Be ready for the "test drive", nudge nudge wink wink.

G: Not likely since her husband was in the passenger seat. 
 
Buggered Benzmail wrote:
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G: She didn't ask for it; I volunteered it.  I told her to call me today if she 
was still interested. It's noon and she hasn't called yet.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D offer

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Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> What would you replace it with?

G: My '83 300D. Two cars is enough.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D offer

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

If the car is “like new” then I think that the right buyer might pay 7k even 
with that mileage.

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> That's what I'm thinking...
> 
> Be ready for the "test drive", nudge nudge wink wink.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240D offer

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What would you replace it with?

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> That's what I'm thinking...
>
> Be ready for the "test drive", nudge nudge wink wink.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240D offer

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That's what I'm thinking...

Be ready for the "test drive", nudge nudge wink wink.

-
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Re: [MBZ] 240D offer

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$7k is crack prices. If you get it, good for you. 

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> On Mar 30, 2018, at 1:36 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sitting in the local convenience store lot drinking coffee about 1:00 am.
> BMW drives up and lady asked about my '83 240D which is like new. 
> I told her $7000 figuring that would discourage her, but she was still 
> interested. Gave her my phone number and told her to call me if she was still 
> interested tomorrow.
> Would $7000 be high, low, or average for an '83 240D with 200K miles in 
> pretty good mechanical condition and very good physical condition inside and 
> out?
> It's a stick shift with mechanical A/C, heat, windows, and with the original 
> working radio. 
> 
> One website said $15,000 for real show car quality with low mileage; $10,000 
> for one in average condition, and $5000 or less for driveable and restorable 
> 240Ds.
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Re: [MBZ] 240D offer

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Maybe she just wanted your phone number!

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> On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:36 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Sitting in the local convenience store lot drinking coffee about 1:00 am.
> BMW drives up and lady asked about my '83 240D which is like new. 
> I told her $7000 figuring that would discourage her, but she was still 
> interested. Gave her my phone number and told her to call me if she was still 
> interested tomorrow.
> Would $7000 be high, low, or average for an '83 240D with 200K miles in 
> pretty good mechanical condition and very good physical condition inside and 
> out?
> It's a stick shift with mechanical A/C, heat, windows, and with the original 
> working radio. 
> 
> One website said $15,000 for real show car quality with low mileage; $10,000 
> for one in average condition, and $5000 or less for driveable and restorable 
> 240Ds.
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[MBZ] 240D offer

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Sitting in the local convenience store lot drinking coffee about 1:00 am.
BMW drives up and lady asked about my '83 240D which is like new. 
I told her $7000 figuring that would discourage her, but she was still 
interested. Gave her my phone number and told her to call me if she was still 
interested tomorrow.
Would $7000 be high, low, or average for an '83 240D with 200K miles in pretty 
good mechanical condition and very good physical condition inside and out?
It's a stick shift with mechanical A/C, heat, windows, and with the original 
working radio. 

One website said $15,000 for real show car quality with low mileage; $10,000 
for one in average condition, and $5000 or less for driveable and restorable 
240Ds.

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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:

> True. I would imagine I could get more than 3k for the 240d.
> Something to think about. I only got $800 in it.

This one has a manual transmission - right?

I think you should sell it to me for $1000.  I'll even drive down
to pick it up.

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Re: [MBZ] 240d

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No, the old head was in the trunk.  Timing chain was broken too.   Yes, 
I put in a timing chain and a head on the street.  I could not afford to 
get it towed home.  (Remember! This was Oahu in the 90s. Cost of housing 
was through the roof and climbing at an insane pace.  In the space of 3 
months cost to rent a house had near doubled, then kept climbing about 
25-30% per year.


It was December 7, 1991.  I had been working on the Big Island.  Flew in 
Fri night with a guaranteed hertz car rental.  Got to Hertz and they 
tried to tell me they didn't have a car for me.  At the time I had the 
(whatever) frequent renter status.  I told them to find me a car.  They 
produced a 89 mustang floptop.   Crappy little tiny thing.  I could not 
get the head in  the trunk.  I could not get the toolbox in the trunk 
either.  Both went on the back seat.  FWIW, you could not get a paper 
sack of groceries in the "trunk" either.  #1 son and I drove down to 
Hawaii Kai, opened the hood and went to work.  we worked from 9 or 10 
until about 5, then put in the battery and fired it up!


Dec 7 was the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Pearl Harbor, so lotsa 
veterans, allied, and Japanese, tons of bigwigs all flew in and rented 
cars on, or by,  the 6th.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
February 18, 2018 at 6:28 PM
So you swapped the head right there in the street?



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Re: [MBZ] 240d

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So you swapped the head right there in the street?

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> On Feb 18, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> 
> YEP,   he got mad at me because I was able to fix it and drive it away.  This 
> was AFTER he stole the radio out of it while I was waiting for the head to 
> arrive.   The guy was a high paid nut case.
> 
> The 65 shovey  and my 66 bronco got the transmission shifter jammed all the 
> time.  Unsticking transmissions was one of the first things I learned.  Even 
> my 110s would jam when the bushing were worn.
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> February 18, 2018 at 2:51 PM
>> 
>> Because he sold you a non-runner and you made it run by replacing the top 
>> half of the engine???
>> 
>> Dad got his Case stuck in the woods with a jammed transmission.
>> Instead of calling a tractor mechanic to make a house call, he sold it to 
>> somebody who knew what he was doing, the buyer immediately pulled off an 
>> access cover, wiggled the shift linkages, and drove it out of the woods. Dad 
>> wasn't mad at him, but I figured dad should have been mad at himself over 
>> many things with that tractor, but most especially the way he bought it and 
>> the way he sold it. (buying it, he thought that a stealership salesman 
>> saying it had 'been through the shop' meant there was no need to test it out 
>> before buying it. Two days later, he found out it needed a hydraulic pump, 
>> the loader and 3pt hitch went up fine with no load, but not with any 
>> significant load. Complaints to the dealer got him 'read the papers, they 
>> say as-is')
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

YEP,   he got mad at me because I was able to fix it and drive it away.  
This was AFTER he stole the radio out of it while I was waiting for the 
head to arrive.   The guy was a high paid nut case.


The 65 shovey  and my 66 bronco got the transmission shifter jammed all 
the time.  Unsticking transmissions was one of the first things I 
learned.  Even my 110s would jam when the bushing were worn.

Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
February 18, 2018 at 2:51 PM

Because he sold you a non-runner and you made it run by replacing the 
top half of the engine???


Dad got his Case stuck in the woods with a jammed transmission.
Instead of calling a tractor mechanic to make a house call, he sold it 
to somebody who knew what he was doing, the buyer immediately pulled 
off an access cover, wiggled the shift linkages, and drove it out of 
the woods. Dad wasn't mad at him, but I figured dad should have been 
mad at himself over many things with that tractor, but most especially 
the way he bought it and the way he sold it. (buying it, he thought 
that a stealership salesman saying it had 'been through the shop' 
meant there was no need to test it out before buying it. Two days 
later, he found out it needed a hydraulic pump, the loader and 3pt 
hitch went up fine with no load, but not with any significant load. 
Complaints to the dealer got him 'read the papers, they say as-is')

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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I tried that trick on my SL.  It took me a week of electro-jiggle to clear 
enough graphite snot and loosen up the pins so the key could turn.  I do not 
have a cordless jiggle machine

clay 

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1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Feb 18, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On February 17, 2018 at 9:06 PM clay monroe via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1991-mercedes-300e/6450109746.html
>> 
>> Better than CoParts monkey dance.  Just haul it away.
> 
> Or, if you want to watch the previous owner's jaw drop, hit it with a 
> cordless sander and drive it away. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240d

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> On February 18, 2018 at 2:23 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> That can be dangerous.   When we bought the blue 200D in Hawaii Kai  
> (High end)  I put a different head on it while it was parked on the 
> street, and we drove it away.  The guy kept calling me up and making 
> threats.

Because he sold you a non-runner and you made it run by replacing the top half 
of the engine???

Dad got his Case stuck in the woods with a jammed transmission. 
Instead of calling a tractor mechanic to make a house call, he sold it to 
somebody who knew what he was doing, the buyer immediately pulled off an access 
cover, wiggled the shift linkages, and drove it out of the woods. Dad wasn't 
mad at him, but I figured dad should have been mad at himself over many things 
with that tractor, but most especially the way he bought it and the way he sold 
it. (buying it, he thought that a stealership salesman saying it had 'been 
through the shop' meant there was no need to test it out before buying it. Two 
days later, he found out it needed a hydraulic pump, the loader and 3pt hitch 
went up fine with no load, but not with any significant load. Complaints to the 
dealer got him 'read the papers, they say as-is')
Mitch.

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[MBZ] 240d 124 cab trade

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So as I was finishing up the 240d the guy with the cab texted saying it would 
not start after church today. He just had the fuel pump and crank sensor 
replaced. So he is getting it towed in. Deal not happening today. 

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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That can be dangerous.   When we bought the blue 200D in Hawaii Kai  
(High end)  I put a different head on it while it was parked on the 
street, and we drove it away.  The guy kept calling me up and making 
threats.


It is safer to at least pull in on a chain out of the PO'd PO's sight 
before fixing it.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
February 18, 2018 at 12:46 PM

Or, if you want to watch the previous owner's jaw drop, hit it with a 
cordless sander and drive it away.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 240d

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> On February 17, 2018 at 9:06 PM clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1991-mercedes-300e/6450109746.html
> 
> Better than CoParts monkey dance.  Just haul it away.

Or, if you want to watch the previous owner's jaw drop, hit it with a cordless 
sander and drive it away. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have another 240d that is even nicer than this one. 

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> On Feb 18, 2018, at 7:33 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> You spent all summer saying you wanted a 240D. I vote to keep it.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> Heck I am not sure I want to trade this 240D for that 124 cab. It’s a very 
> nice 240d. Very simply mostly sorted out car. Trade for a rare 124 
> convertible that needs a new top and top hydraulics. H.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Feb 17, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Got the new tires mounted on the 240d. Drove it for a few miles and it 
> > drives great. Even got the ac going. However upon return I smelled burning 
> > brakes. RR caliper is dragging. Guess I will swap that out.
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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You spent all summer saying you wanted a 240D. I vote to keep it.

Curt

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  On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   Heck I am not sure I want to trade 
this 240D for that 124 cab. It’s a very nice 240d. Very simply mostly sorted 
out car. Trade for a rare 124 convertible that needs a new top and top 
hydraulics. H.

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> Got the new tires mounted on the 240d. Drove it for a few miles and it drives 
> great. Even got the ac going. However upon return I smelled burning brakes. 
> RR caliper is dragging. Guess I will swap that out.
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Re: [MBZ] 240d

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

You spent all summer saying you wanted a 240D. I vote to keep it.

Curt

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  On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via 
Mercedes wrote:   Heck I am not sure I want to trade 
this 240D for that 124 cab. It’s a very nice 240d. Very simply mostly sorted 
out car. Trade for a rare 124 convertible that needs a new top and top 
hydraulics. H.

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> On Feb 17, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Got the new tires mounted on the 240d. Drove it for a few miles and it drives 
> great. Even got the ac going. However upon return I smelled burning brakes. 
> RR caliper is dragging. Guess I will swap that out.
> 
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