subject:"\[MBZ\] OT eviction"

So today is court day for eviction of our renters at old okie 
acres.  They have turned out to be a pain in the rear.  From the 
beginning they have been habitual late payers which just gets 
worse and worse every month.  They have moved their mother in 
which they did not have permission to do, per the lease they have 
to get written permission, which they did not.  They were then 
told she could stay but they needed to add her to the contract. 
So, they refused to add the mother to the lease as also the 
renters girlfriend was supposed to be added to the lease (they are 
gay) and they refused that as well. I can only figure the reason 
would be so that if they get evicted they can rent something else 
and the eviction will not show up on the other lesbians record. 
Anyway, so we gave them a 30 day notice of eviction last month, 
letting them know they had till such and such date to be out or 
eviction would be filed.  This is actually not required here. They 
are being evicted on the grounds of being in breach of the 
contract by habitually paying late, and having people live there 
without permission.  All is very very well documented by SWMBO. 
Anyway, they said they were not moving and would just go to court. 
One of my lawyers who happens to also be my cousin who handles 
real estate law thought they were crazy, they should have taken 
the opportunity to move before they now have a case filed against 
them.  Anyway, court is starting right now and the wife is there 
handling it (she is a licensed realtor and in fact just did a very 
long continuing education course on this exact topic).  These dumb 
stupid renters who never have the money to pay their rent on time 
has hired an attorney to represent them today.  WOW.  I have never 
heard of anybody getting evicted hiring a lawyer.  Oh well.  I 
told my wife that if we do not win the eviction today (which I 
highly doubt will not happen), I will be listing the house for 
sale tomorrow and they can deal with realtors in and out of the 
house all the time showing it.



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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-20 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes

I know this guy out that way, Pedro El Fuego, you might want to talk 
to.  Works fast and cheap.


--JC


On 7/20/16 2:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
So today is court day for eviction of our renters at old okie acres.  
They have turned out to be a pain in the rear. From the beginning they 
have been habitual late payers which just gets worse and worse every 
month.  They have moved their mother in which they did not have 
permission to do, per the lease they have to get written permission, 
which they did not.  They were then told she could stay but they 
needed to add her to the contract. So, they refused to add the mother 
to the lease as also the renters girlfriend was supposed to be added 
to the lease (they are gay) and they refused that as well. I can only 
figure the reason would be so that if they get evicted they can rent 
something else and the eviction will not show up on the other lesbians 
record. Anyway, so we gave them a 30 day notice of eviction last 
month, letting them know they had till such and such date to be out or 
eviction would be filed.  This is actually not required here. They are 
being evicted on the grounds of being in breach of the contract by 
habitually paying late, and having people live there without 
permission.  All is very very well documented by SWMBO. Anyway, they 
said they were not moving and would just go to court. One of my 
lawyers who happens to also be my cousin who handles real estate law 
thought they were crazy, they should have taken the opportunity to 
move before they now have a case filed against them.  Anyway, court is 
starting right now and the wife is there handling it (she is a 
licensed realtor and in fact just did a very long continuing education 
course on this exact topic).  These dumb stupid renters who never have 
the money to pay their rent on time has hired an attorney to represent 
them today.  WOW.  I have never heard of anybody getting evicted 
hiring a lawyer.  Oh well.  I told my wife that if we do not win the 
eviction today (which I highly doubt will not happen), I will be 
listing the house for sale tomorrow and they can deal with realtors in 
and out of the house all the time showing it.



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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Reminds me of the time I made a video for El Fuego the flaming chef...
-Curt

  From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Joel Cairo 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
   
I know this guy out that way, Pedro El Fuego, you might want to talk 
to.  Works fast and cheap.

--JC


On 7/20/16 2:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> So today is court day for eviction of our renters at old okie acres.  
> They have turned out to be a pain in the rear. From the beginning they 
> have been habitual late payers which just gets worse and worse every 
> month.  They have moved their mother in which they did not have 
> permission to do, per the lease they have to get written permission, 
> which they did not.  They were then told she could stay but they 
> needed to add her to the contract. So, they refused to add the mother 
> to the lease as also the renters girlfriend was supposed to be added 
> to the lease (they are gay) and they refused that as well. I can only 
> figure the reason would be so that if they get evicted they can rent 
> something else and the eviction will not show up on the other lesbians 
> record. Anyway, so we gave them a 30 day notice of eviction last 
> month, letting them know they had till such and such date to be out or 
> eviction would be filed.  This is actually not required here. They are 
> being evicted on the grounds of being in breach of the contract by 
> habitually paying late, and having people live there without 
> permission.  All is very very well documented by SWMBO. Anyway, they 
> said they were not moving and would just go to court. One of my 
> lawyers who happens to also be my cousin who handles real estate law 
> thought they were crazy, they should have taken the opportunity to 
> move before they now have a case filed against them.  Anyway, court is 
> starting right now and the wife is there handling it (she is a 
> licensed realtor and in fact just did a very long continuing education 
> course on this exact topic).  These dumb stupid renters who never have 
> the money to pay their rent on time has hired an attorney to represent 
> them today.  WOW.  I have never heard of anybody getting evicted 
> hiring a lawyer.  Oh well.  I told my wife that if we do not win the 
> eviction today (which I highly doubt will not happen), I will be 
> listing the house for sale tomorrow and they can deal with realtors in 
> and out of the house all the time showing it.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Too bad Kaleb’s not Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, 
I hear…

I don’t know about Okieland, but in Florida the law favors the tenant in almost 
every situation.  We dealt with this when we were trying to close a short sale 
on a house and the owner had a month to month tenant. He gave her 30 days 
before the closing date, she claimed she never got notice, then tried to extort 
$5000 from us to move.  We politely but firmly told the owner to engage in an 
act of physicality that is nearly incapable of most humans.  He tried to boot 
her, then she lawyered up.

As soon as his agent heard that, she released our earnest money.

FWIW, the place went back on the market a month or so ago (it’s been in 
foreclosure since 2010) and they’re using the same crappy agent and the 
pictures from two years prior to when we looked at it (2011)!

Dan

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I know this guy out that way, Pedro El Fuego, you might want to talk to.  
> Works fast and cheap.
> 
> --JC
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-20 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:00:58 -0400 Joel Cairo via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I know this guy out that way, Pedro El Fuego, you might want to talk 
> to.  Works fast and cheap.

Peter the Fire?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

I intentionally did not go to court so I could be at  home 
researching on the computer if needed and send to wife in court. 
First of all, I discovered this woman who is getting divorced 
states here income on the court documents for that case is $1257 a 
month, and rent is $1500 a month so obviously she either lied to 
that court, or lied on her lease application with us and can't 
afford the house.  We have text message records where she states 
she can't afford the house but her girlfriend talked her into it. 
The latest I heard is that her lawyer is trying to say we should 
have gone to mediation before filing eviction. I have never heard 
of this so I looked it up and there is no such requirement.  This 
should be interesting to say the least.




On 7/20/2016 2:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Too bad Kaleb’s not Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, 
I hear…

I don’t know about Okieland, but in Florida the law favors the tenant in almost 
every situation.  We dealt with this when we were trying to close a short sale 
on a house and the owner had a month to month tenant. He gave her 30 days 
before the closing date, she claimed she never got notice, then tried to extort 
$5000 from us to move.  We politely but firmly told the owner to engage in an 
act of physicality that is nearly incapable of most humans.  He tried to boot 
her, then she lawyered up.

As soon as his agent heard that, she released our earnest money.

FWIW, the place went back on the market a month or so ago (it’s been in 
foreclosure since 2010) and they’re using the same crappy agent and the 
pictures from two years prior to when we looked at it (2011)!

Dan



On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes  
wrote:

I know this guy out that way, Pedro El Fuego, you might want to talk to.  Works 
fast and cheap.

--JC




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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Update, I guess the wife who is supposed to be an expert in these 
matters did not read her entire contract very well.  There is a 
section in there about disputes must go thru a mediator first 
which is binding but if resolution is not met then will proceed to 
court.  Crap.  Not sure why we left that section in there as it is 
not required in OK.  So, the case was dismissed and sent to a 
mediator.



On 7/20/2016 2:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
I intentionally did not go to court so I could be at home 
researching on the computer if needed and send to wife in court. 
First of all, I discovered this woman who is getting divorced 
states here income on the court documents for that case is $1257 
a month, and rent is $1500 a month so obviously she either lied 
to that court, or lied on her lease application with us and 
can't afford the house.  We have text message records where she 
states she can't afford the house but her girlfriend talked her 
into it. The latest I heard is that her lawyer is trying to say 
we should have gone to mediation before filing eviction. I have 
never heard of this so I looked it up and there is no such 
requirement.  This should be interesting to say the least.




On 7/20/2016 2:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
Too bad Kaleb’s not Jewish.  They have issues with lightning 
from time to time, I hear…


I don’t know about Okieland, but in Florida the law favors the 
tenant in almost every situation.  We dealt with this when we 
were trying to close a short sale on a house and the owner had 
a month to month tenant. He gave her 30 days before the closing 
date, she claimed she never got notice, then tried to extort 
$5000 from us to move.  We politely but firmly told the owner 
to engage in an act of physicality that is nearly incapable of 
most humans.  He tried to boot her, then she lawyered up.


As soon as his agent heard that, she released our earnest money.

FWIW, the place went back on the market a month or so ago (it’s 
been in foreclosure since 2010) and they’re using the same 
crappy agent and the pictures from two years prior to when we 
looked at it (2011)!


Dan


On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I know this guy out that way, Pedro El Fuego, you might want 
to talk to.  Works fast and cheap.


--JC




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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

DOH!

  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
   
Update, I guess the wife who is supposed to be an expert in these 
matters did not read her entire contract very well.  There is a 
section in there about disputes must go thru a mediator first 
which is binding but if resolution is not met then will proceed to 
court.  Crap.  Not sure why we left that section in there as it is 
not required in OK.  So, the case was dismissed and sent to a 
mediator.


On 7/20/2016 2:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I intentionally did not go to court so I could be at home 
> researching on the computer if needed and send to wife in court. 
> First of all, I discovered this woman who is getting divorced 
> states here income on the court documents for that case is $1257 
> a month, and rent is $1500 a month so obviously she either lied 
> to that court, or lied on her lease application with us and 
> can't afford the house.  We have text message records where she 
> states she can't afford the house but her girlfriend talked her 
> into it. The latest I heard is that her lawyer is trying to say 
> we should have gone to mediation before filing eviction. I have 
> never heard of this so I looked it up and there is no such 
> requirement.  This should be interesting to say the least.
>
>
>
> On 7/20/2016 2:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Too bad Kaleb’s not Jewish.  They have issues with lightning 
>> from time to time, I hear…
>>
>> I don’t know about Okieland, but in Florida the law favors the 
>> tenant in almost every situation.  We dealt with this when we 
>> were trying to close a short sale on a house and the owner had 
>> a month to month tenant. He gave her 30 days before the closing 
>> date, she claimed she never got notice, then tried to extort 
>> $5000 from us to move.  We politely but firmly told the owner 
>> to engage in an act of physicality that is nearly incapable of 
>> most humans.  He tried to boot her, then she lawyered up.
>>
>> As soon as his agent heard that, she released our earnest money.
>>
>> FWIW, the place went back on the market a month or so ago (it’s 
>> been in foreclosure since 2010) and they’re using the same 
>> crappy agent and the pictures from two years prior to when we 
>> looked at it (2011)!
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I know this guy out that way, Pedro El Fuego, you might want 
>>> to talk to.  Works fast and cheap.
>>>
>>> --JC
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

yea, thats what I say. I guess they went straight to that so the 
result SHOULD be the same as they are still in the same boat.



On 7/20/2016 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

DOH!

   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Update, I guess the wife who is supposed to be an expert in these

matters did not read her entire contract very well.  There is a
section in there about disputes must go thru a mediator first
which is binding but if resolution is not met then will proceed to
court.  Crap.  Not sure why we left that section in there as it is
not required in OK.  So, the case was dismissed and sent to a
mediator.


On 7/20/2016 2:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I intentionally did not go to court so I could be at home
researching on the computer if needed and send to wife in court.
First of all, I discovered this woman who is getting divorced
states here income on the court documents for that case is $1257
a month, and rent is $1500 a month so obviously she either lied
to that court, or lied on her lease application with us and
can't afford the house.  We have text message records where she
states she can't afford the house but her girlfriend talked her
into it. The latest I heard is that her lawyer is trying to say
we should have gone to mediation before filing eviction. I have
never heard of this so I looked it up and there is no such
requirement.  This should be interesting to say the least.



On 7/20/2016 2:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Too bad Kaleb’s not Jewish.  They have issues with lightning
from time to time, I hear…

I don’t know about Okieland, but in Florida the law favors the
tenant in almost every situation.  We dealt with this when we
were trying to close a short sale on a house and the owner had
a month to month tenant. He gave her 30 days before the closing
date, she claimed she never got notice, then tried to extort
$5000 from us to move.  We politely but firmly told the owner
to engage in an act of physicality that is nearly incapable of
most humans.  He tried to boot her, then she lawyered up.

As soon as his agent heard that, she released our earnest money.

FWIW, the place went back on the market a month or so ago (it’s
been in foreclosure since 2010) and they’re using the same
crappy agent and the pictures from two years prior to when we
looked at it (2011)!

Dan



On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes
 wrote:

I know this guy out that way, Pedro El Fuego, you might want
to talk to.  Works fast and cheap.

--JC



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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Interesting.  That’s what small claims and civil matters under $15k are in 
Florida.  Everything goes to arbitration first, and if unresolved or 
unacceptable, then it goes before a judge.

So what’s to keep the renters from trashing the place now that you’ve pissed 
them off?

Dan

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Update, I guess the wife who is supposed to be an expert in these matters did 
> not read her entire contract very well.  There is a section in there about 
> disputes must go thru a mediator first which is binding but if resolution is 
> not met then will proceed to court.  Crap.  Not sure why we left that section 
> in there as it is not required in OK.  So, the case was dismissed and sent to 
> a mediator.
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

not a damn thing except to keep their deposit which more than 
likely will be kept anyway and the fear that we can sue them for 
damages in a separate suit.  That is one other thing, in our last 
inspection there was a bunch of ceramic tile damaged in the 
utility room that was perfectly fine when we left, which they did 
not disclose, so that is also another breach of contract there.



On 7/20/2016 2:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Interesting.  That’s what small claims and civil matters under $15k are in 
Florida.  Everything goes to arbitration first, and if unresolved or 
unacceptable, then it goes before a judge.

So what’s to keep the renters from trashing the place now that you’ve pissed 
them off?

Dan


On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Update, I guess the wife who is supposed to be an expert in these matters did 
not read her entire contract very well.  There is a section in there about 
disputes must go thru a mediator first which is binding but if resolution is 
not met then will proceed to court.  Crap.  Not sure why we left that section 
in there as it is not required in OK.  So, the case was dismissed and sent to a 
mediator.




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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

I suggest a re-write of your rental contract with specific clauses that
deal with late payments and eviction for cause.

Since you write the contract, have it reviewed by a lawyer, but don't cut
any slack to the renter for late payment, or damage to property.

Presently have 42 rent properties. Live got a lot easier when I started
being harsh up front.  Also.. suggest you pre qualify your renters just
like you were loaning them money at a bank.. which you are, by giving them
unfettered access and use of YOUR property, for rent fees. Life will have
less stress.



On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> DOH!
>
>   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
>  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:32 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
>
> Update, I guess the wife who is supposed to be an expert in these
> matters did not read her entire contract very well.  There is a
> section in there about disputes must go thru a mediator first
> which is binding but if resolution is not met then will proceed to
> court.  Crap.  Not sure why we left that section in there as it is
> not required in OK.  So, the case was dismissed and sent to a
> mediator.
>
>
> On 7/20/2016 2:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > I intentionally did not go to court so I could be at home
> > researching on the computer if needed and send to wife in court.
> > First of all, I discovered this woman who is getting divorced
> > states here income on the court documents for that case is $1257
> > a month, and rent is $1500 a month so obviously she either lied
> > to that court, or lied on her lease application with us and
> > can't afford the house.  We have text message records where she
> > states she can't afford the house but her girlfriend talked her
> > into it. The latest I heard is that her lawyer is trying to say
> > we should have gone to mediation before filing eviction. I have
> > never heard of this so I looked it up and there is no such
> > requirement.  This should be interesting to say the least.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/20/2016 2:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Too bad Kaleb’s not Jewish.  They have issues with lightning
> >> from time to time, I hear…
> >>
> >> I don’t know about Okieland, but in Florida the law favors the
> >> tenant in almost every situation.  We dealt with this when we
> >> were trying to close a short sale on a house and the owner had
> >> a month to month tenant. He gave her 30 days before the closing
> >> date, she claimed she never got notice, then tried to extort
> >> $5000 from us to move.  We politely but firmly told the owner
> >> to engage in an act of physicality that is nearly incapable of
> >> most humans.  He tried to boot her, then she lawyered up.
> >>
> >> As soon as his agent heard that, she released our earnest money.
> >>
> >> FWIW, the place went back on the market a month or so ago (it’s
> >> been in foreclosure since 2010) and they’re using the same
> >> crappy agent and the pictures from two years prior to when we
> >> looked at it (2011)!
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I know this guy out that way, Pedro El Fuego, you might want
> >>> to talk to.  Works fast and cheap.
> >>>
> >>> --JC
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Rule 1: Know the law
Rule 2: Know the sheriff

A good lawyer knows the law.. A great lawyer knows the Judge..

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> yea, thats what I say. I guess they went straight to that so the result
> SHOULD be the same as they are still in the same boat.
>
>
>
> On 7/20/2016 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> DOH!
>>
>>From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>   To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
>>   Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:32 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
>> Update, I guess the wife who is supposed to be an expert in these
>> matters did not read her entire contract very well.  There is a
>> section in there about disputes must go thru a mediator first
>> which is binding but if resolution is not met then will proceed to
>> court.  Crap.  Not sure why we left that section in there as it is
>> not required in OK.  So, the case was dismissed and sent to a
>> mediator.
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/2016 2:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> I intentionally did not go to court so I could be at home
>>> researching on the computer if needed and send to wife in court.
>>> First of all, I discovered this woman who is getting divorced
>>> states here income on the court documents for that case is $1257
>>> a month, and rent is $1500 a month so obviously she either lied
>>> to that court, or lied on her lease application with us and
>>> can't afford the house.  We have text message records where she
>>> states she can't afford the house but her girlfriend talked her
>>> into it. The latest I heard is that her lawyer is trying to say
>>> we should have gone to mediation before filing eviction. I have
>>> never heard of this so I looked it up and there is no such
>>> requirement.  This should be interesting to say the least.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/20/2016 2:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Too bad Kaleb’s not Jewish.  They have issues with lightning
>>>> from time to time, I hear…
>>>>
>>>> I don’t know about Okieland, but in Florida the law favors the
>>>> tenant in almost every situation.  We dealt with this when we
>>>> were trying to close a short sale on a house and the owner had
>>>> a month to month tenant. He gave her 30 days before the closing
>>>> date, she claimed she never got notice, then tried to extort
>>>> $5000 from us to move.  We politely but firmly told the owner
>>>> to engage in an act of physicality that is nearly incapable of
>>>> most humans.  He tried to boot her, then she lawyered up.
>>>>
>>>> As soon as his agent heard that, she released our earnest money.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, the place went back on the market a month or so ago (it’s
>>>> been in foreclosure since 2010) and they’re using the same
>>>> crappy agent and the pictures from two years prior to when we
>>>> looked at it (2011)!
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I know this guy out that way, Pedro El Fuego, you might want
>>>>> to talk to.  Works fast and cheap.
>>>>>
>>>>> --JC
>>>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

We have learned a lot for sure in our first venture into the 
rental game.  For example the late fee was only $25 after 5 days. 
This gave them NO incentive to pay on time.  Next time it will be 
at least $100 possibly $200.  We also did not do a good job of 
qualifying these people.  Supposedly they are self employed but in 
the future we are going to ask for check stubs or bank statements 
for starters.  The only positive is they have not trashed the 
place (yet) except for the tile mentioned before.



On 7/20/2016 2:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

I suggest a re-write of your rental contract with specific clauses that
deal with late payments and eviction for cause.

Since you write the contract, have it reviewed by a lawyer, but don't cut
any slack to the renter for late payment, or damage to property.

Presently have 42 rent properties. Live got a lot easier when I started
being harsh up front.  Also.. suggest you pre qualify your renters just
like you were loaning them money at a bank.. which you are, by giving them
unfettered access and use of YOUR property, for rent fees. Life will have
less stress.



On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


DOH!

   From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Update, I guess the wife who is supposed to be an expert in these
matters did not read her entire contract very well.  There is a
section in there about disputes must go thru a mediator first
which is binding but if resolution is not met then will proceed to
court.  Crap.  Not sure why we left that section in there as it is
not required in OK.  So, the case was dismissed and sent to a
mediator.


On 7/20/2016 2:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I intentionally did not go to court so I could be at home
researching on the computer if needed and send to wife in court.
First of all, I discovered this woman who is getting divorced
states here income on the court documents for that case is $1257
a month, and rent is $1500 a month so obviously she either lied
to that court, or lied on her lease application with us and
can't afford the house.  We have text message records where she
states she can't afford the house but her girlfriend talked her
into it. The latest I heard is that her lawyer is trying to say
we should have gone to mediation before filing eviction. I have
never heard of this so I looked it up and there is no such
requirement.  This should be interesting to say the least.



On 7/20/2016 2:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Too bad Kaleb’s not Jewish.  They have issues with lightning
from time to time, I hear…

I don’t know about Okieland, but in Florida the law favors the
tenant in almost every situation.  We dealt with this when we
were trying to close a short sale on a house and the owner had
a month to month tenant. He gave her 30 days before the closing
date, she claimed she never got notice, then tried to extort
$5000 from us to move.  We politely but firmly told the owner
to engage in an act of physicality that is nearly incapable of
most humans.  He tried to boot her, then she lawyered up.

As soon as his agent heard that, she released our earnest money.

FWIW, the place went back on the market a month or so ago (it’s
been in foreclosure since 2010) and they’re using the same
crappy agent and the pictures from two years prior to when we
looked at it (2011)!

Dan



On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes
 wrote:

I know this guy out that way, Pedro El Fuego, you might want
to talk to.  Works fast and cheap.

--JC



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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-20 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes

Kaleb, 
Be careful with both mediators and arbitrators. Neither will have what's 
"right" or your best interest at heart. I used to be a trained mediator for 
Coca Cola. I did not like it as the mediators job is "only" to get both sides 
to agree on something, take their fee, and run. The courts like it as it thins 
down cases. You may enjoy "playing" with both the mediator and the other party. 
In the end, refuse to come to an agreement and make the court handle it 
legally. I've always felt that both mediators and arbitrators are a waste of 
time. 
Best Wishes and good luck, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

I do a video of the properties as part of the rental contract, to document
property condition. The video always includes the "new renters" walking
through with me, so I have evidence of 1. Condition of property 2. Informed
agreement by renters of condition.

Saves time in court later.  Get in touch with your "inner Trump" ;))

I always do credit checks on renters.. part of them qualifying. Deposits
need to cover "normal wear and tear + ++" .. ie.. I'll hold some of your
money so you treat MY house with respect... if you do.. then you get it
back"

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We have learned a lot for sure in our first venture into the rental game.
> For example the late fee was only $25 after 5 days. This gave them NO
> incentive to pay on time.  Next time it will be at least $100 possibly
> $200.  We also did not do a good job of qualifying these people.
> Supposedly they are self employed but in the future we are going to ask for
> check stubs or bank statements for starters.  The only positive is they
> have not trashed the place (yet) except for the tile mentioned before.
>
>
>
> On 7/20/2016 2:42 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I suggest a re-write of your rental contract with specific clauses that
>> deal with late payments and eviction for cause.
>>
>> Since you write the contract, have it reviewed by a lawyer, but don't cut
>> any slack to the renter for late payment, or damage to property.
>>
>> Presently have 42 rent properties. Live got a lot easier when I started
>> being harsh up front.  Also.. suggest you pre qualify your renters just
>> like you were loaning them money at a bank.. which you are, by giving them
>> unfettered access and use of YOUR property, for rent fees. Life will have
>> less stress.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> DOH!
>>>
>>>From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>   To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
>>>   Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:32 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
>>>
>>> Update, I guess the wife who is supposed to be an expert in these
>>> matters did not read her entire contract very well.  There is a
>>> section in there about disputes must go thru a mediator first
>>> which is binding but if resolution is not met then will proceed to
>>> court.  Crap.  Not sure why we left that section in there as it is
>>> not required in OK.  So, the case was dismissed and sent to a
>>> mediator.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/20/2016 2:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>>> I intentionally did not go to court so I could be at home
>>>> researching on the computer if needed and send to wife in court.
>>>> First of all, I discovered this woman who is getting divorced
>>>> states here income on the court documents for that case is $1257
>>>> a month, and rent is $1500 a month so obviously she either lied
>>>> to that court, or lied on her lease application with us and
>>>> can't afford the house.  We have text message records where she
>>>> states she can't afford the house but her girlfriend talked her
>>>> into it. The latest I heard is that her lawyer is trying to say
>>>> we should have gone to mediation before filing eviction. I have
>>>> never heard of this so I looked it up and there is no such
>>>> requirement.  This should be interesting to say the least.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/20/2016 2:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Too bad Kaleb’s not Jewish.  They have issues with lightning
>>>>> from time to time, I hear…
>>>>>
>>>>> I don’t know about Okieland, but in Florida the law favors the
>>>>> tenant in almost every situation.  We dealt with this when we
>>>>> were trying to close a short sale on a house and the owner had
>>>>> a month to month tenant. He gave her 30 days before the closing
>>>>> date, she claimed she never got notice, then tried to extort
>>>>> $5000 from us to move.  We politely but firmly told the owner
>>>>> to engage in an act of physicality that is nearly incapable of
>>>>> most humans.  He tried to boot her, then she lawyered up.
>>>>>
>>>>> As soon as his agent heard

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

BZZZT!  WRONG!

Run a credit report on them.  I don’t know a leasing agency or rental owner who 
doesn’t do credit checks these days.

And of course you took pictures with time/date stamps before they moved in, 
too, along with a walk through inspection report that they signed off on 
stating the condition of the home upon move in?

Renters can be real scumbags.  You have to assume the worst and hope for the 
best.  And cover your collective ass.

Dan

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have learned a lot for sure in our first venture into the rental game.  
> For example the late fee was only $25 after 5 days. This gave them NO 
> incentive to pay on time.  Next time it will be at least $100 possibly $200.  
> We also did not do a good job of qualifying these people.  Supposedly they 
> are self employed but in the future we are going to ask for check stubs or 
> bank statements for starters.  The only positive is they have not trashed the 
> place (yet) except for the tile mentioned before.
> 

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Yes, it is a complete waste of time. So these people pay late all
the time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.
This all really started when the wife decided she wanted to have a
pissing contest with the renter and had the need to be right.
Yes, they were in violation but their lease is up in a couple of
months anyway. Rather than just letting it ride and not renewing
the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict. Except as it turns
out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
mediation clause that got included by accident on our part. So
mediation was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or
whatever because he did not have time today. GREAT! Their lawyer
also informed us he was filing to recover his legal fees from us.
The wifes pissing contest turned into a cluster which is no doubt
going to cost me a ton of money I have a bad feeling.

On 7/20/2016 2:54 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb,
Be careful with both mediators and arbitrators. Neither will have what's "right" or your best
interest at heart. I used to be a trained mediator for Coca Cola. I did not like it as the mediators job is
"only" to get both sides to agree on something, take their fee, and run. The courts like it as it
thins down cases. You may enjoy "playing" with both the mediator and the other party. In the end,
refuse to come to an agreement and make the court handle it legally. I've always felt that both mediators and
arbitrators are a waste of time.
Best Wishes and good luck,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Nope, don't believe we got extensive photos of EVERYTHING, I know 
we do have some photos but not enough to document fully.  We 
screwed the pooch there as well.



On 7/20/2016 2:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

BZZZT!  WRONG!

Run a credit report on them.  I don’t know a leasing agency or rental owner who 
doesn’t do credit checks these days.

And of course you took pictures with time/date stamps before they moved in, 
too, along with a walk through inspection report that they signed off on 
stating the condition of the home upon move in?

Renters can be real scumbags.  You have to assume the worst and hope for the 
best.  And cover your collective ass.

Dan



On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:45 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

We have learned a lot for sure in our first venture into the rental game.  For 
example the late fee was only $25 after 5 days. This gave them NO incentive to 
pay on time.  Next time it will be at least $100 possibly $200.  We also did 
not do a good job of qualifying these people.  Supposedly they are self 
employed but in the future we are going to ask for check stubs or bank 
statements for starters.  The only positive is they have not trashed the place 
(yet) except for the tile mentioned before.



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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?

Yikes.


> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the time 
> but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all really 
> started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with the 
> renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but their 
> lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it ride 
> and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except as it 
> turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the 
> mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So mediation was 
> set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever because he did 
> not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he was filing to 
> recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest turned into a 
> cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I have a bad 
> feeling.
> 


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Yea, and knows everything too.


On 7/20/2016 3:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?

Yikes.



On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the time but 
they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all really started when 
the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with the renter and had 
the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but their lease is up in a 
couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it ride and not renewing the 
lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except as it turns out was totally 
not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the mediation clause that got 
included by accident on our part.  So mediation was set to proceed and their 
lawyer filed to postpone or whatever because he did not have time today.  
GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he was filing to recover his legal fees 
from us.  The wifes pissing contest turned into a cluster which is no doubt 
going to cost me a ton of money I have a bad feeling.



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Uh, apparently not.

Failure to catch the mediation thing is a pretty big oversight.  I’m sure you 
pointed that out to her, though.

If so, enjoy your evening on the couch.

Dan


> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea, and knows everything too.
> 
> 
> On 7/20/2016 3:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?
>> 
>> Yikes.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the time 
>>> but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all really 
>>> started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with the 
>>> renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but their 
>>> lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it ride 
>>> and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except as it 
>>> turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the 
>>> mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So mediation 
>>> was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever because 
>>> he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he was 
>>> filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest turned 
>>> into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I have a 
>>> bad feeling.
>>> 
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2016-07-20 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Credit worthiness is the ‎ONLY thing you can use to discriminate against 
potential tenants. Credit reports and FICO scores are your friend

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Yea, I would think it would be a pretty big oversight.  Yes I 
pointed it out but it is somehow my fault. It is always the man's 
fault, right?



On 7/20/2016 3:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Uh, apparently not.

Failure to catch the mediation thing is a pretty big oversight.  I’m sure you 
pointed that out to her, though.

If so, enjoy your evening on the couch.

Dan



On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Yea, and knows everything too.


On 7/20/2016 3:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?

Yikes.



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 wrote:

Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the time but 
they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all really started when 
the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with the renter and had 
the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but their lease is up in a 
couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it ride and not renewing the 
lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except as it turns out was totally 
not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the mediation clause that got 
included by accident on our part.  So mediation was set to proceed and their 
lawyer filed to postpone or whatever because he did not have time today.  
GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he was filing to recover his legal fees 
from us.  The wifes pissing contest turned into a cluster which is no doubt 
going to cost me a ton of money I have a bad feeling.


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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Usually, but not for several months when the subject comes up as a tangent to 
something else you did wrong.

Dan


> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea, I would think it would be a pretty big oversight.  Yes I pointed it out 
> but it is somehow my fault. It is always the man's fault, right?
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Hahahahahahaha. My lovely wife said not to worry because before I was telling 
her their contract was up in a couple of months anyway so they will be out one 
way or the other. The problem is that she does not seem to grasp is now we are 
having to wait on mediation which is buying them more time. So as it stands now 
they have absolutely no incentive to pay at all until either a mediator or 
judge tells them to leave later down the line. No telling how long that will 
take but in the mean time I just don't see them paying. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Usually, but not for several months when the subject comes up as a tangent to 
> something else you did wrong.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yea, I would think it would be a pretty big oversight.  Yes I pointed it out 
>> but it is somehow my fault. It is always the man's fault, right?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Lawyers have the 4D Rule:

Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..

You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...

"The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."

One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX dollars
for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
silently and listen carefully..


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> And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?
>
> Yikes.
>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the
> time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all really
> started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with the
> renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but their
> lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it ride
> and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except as it
> turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
> mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So mediation
> was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever because
> he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he was
> filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest turned
> into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I have a
> bad feeling.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Dan, you need to explain this as it makes no sense:  "Too bad Kaleb’s not
Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, I hear…"

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Lawyers have the 4D Rule:
>
> Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..
>
> You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...
>
> "The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."
>
> One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX dollars
> for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
> silently and listen carefully..
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?
> >
> > Yikes.
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the
> > time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all
> really
> > started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with
> the
> > renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but
> their
> > lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it
> ride
> > and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except as
> it
> > turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
> > mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So mediation
> > was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever because
> > he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he was
> > filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest
> turned
> > into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I have a
> > bad feeling.
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning 




> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan, you need to explain this as it makes no sense:  "Too bad Kaleb’s not
> Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, I hear…"
> 
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Lawyers have the 4D Rule:
>> 
>> Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..
>> 
>> You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...
>> 
>> "The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."
>> 
>> One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX dollars
>> for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
>> silently and listen carefully..
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?
>>> 
>>> Yikes.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the
>>> time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all
>> really
>>> started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with
>> the
>>> renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but
>> their
>>> lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it
>> ride
>>> and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except as
>> it
>>> turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
>>> mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So mediation
>>> was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever because
>>> he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he was
>>> filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest
>> turned
>>> into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I have a
>>> bad feeling.
 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Well I guess here is where we stand from what I was told.  Their 
lawyer filed whatever paperwork for mediation.  At this point we 
are waiting for "them" to let us know when that will be.  I am not 
sure who "them" is as I was not able to obtain that information. 
It just appears to be that the renters have decided to hire a 
lawyer and now  he is steering the ship in the deal, as "we" are 
waiting on "them".  I guess "they" got one over on us because "we" 
appear to be out of our league but won't admit it.  So this could 
be a week, a month, hell no telling.  I just know they have no 
reason to pay now, because we can't do anything until mediation is 
done.  No agreements will be reached so then we will have to file 
AGAIN, wait for it to be serviced, wait for yet another court date 
and so on, then no telling what surprise their lawyer will come up 
with then.  I guess I am now going to have to pay money for a 
lawyer otherwise it will appear that we will probably continue to 
get railroaded.



On 7/20/2016 3:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Lawyers have the 4D Rule:

Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..

You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...

"The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."

One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX dollars
for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
silently and listen carefully..


On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?

Yikes.



On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the

time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all really
started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with the
renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but their
lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it ride
and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except as it
turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So mediation
was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever because
he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he was
filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest turned
into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I have a
bad feeling.

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

That is an unfortunate stereotyping and I'm sad to see you posting it.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning <
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dan, you need to explain this as it makes no sense:  "Too bad Kaleb’s not
> > Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, I hear…"
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Lawyers have the 4D Rule:
> >>
> >> Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..
> >>
> >> You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...
> >>
> >> "The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."
> >>
> >> One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX
> dollars
> >> for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
> >> silently and listen carefully..
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?
> >>>
> >>> Yikes.
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the
> >>> time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all
> >> really
> >>> started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with
> >> the
> >>> renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but
> >> their
> >>> lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it
> >> ride
> >>> and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except
> as
> >> it
> >>> turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
> >>> mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So
> mediation
> >>> was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever
> because
> >>> he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he
> was
> >>> filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest
> >> turned
> >>> into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I
> have a
> >>> bad feeling.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Ugh its that kind of PC sentiment that I hate.
Stereotypes come from somewhere, otherwise they wouldn't be stereotypes.
I don't understand why its okay to make comments about how white guys got no 
rhythm and can't dance and not okay to point out other stereotypes. If we can't 
laugh at ourselves and each other all we can do is cry.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
   
That is an unfortunate stereotyping and I'm sad to see you posting it.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning <
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dan, you need to explain this as it makes no sense:  "Too bad Kaleb’s not
> > Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, I hear…"
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Lawyers have the 4D Rule:
> >>
> >> Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..
> >>
> >> You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...
> >>
> >> "The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."
> >>
> >> One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX
> dollars
> >> for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
> >> silently and listen carefully..
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?
> >>>
> >>> Yikes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the
> >>> time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all
> >> really
> >>> started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with
> >> the
> >>> renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but
> >> their
> >>> lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it
> >> ride
> >>> and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except
> as
> >> it
> >>> turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
> >>> mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So
> mediation
> >>> was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever
> because
> >>> he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he
> was
> >>> filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest
> >> turned
> >>> into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I
> have a
> >>> bad feeling.
> >>>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Obviously because white isn't a persecuted religion or minority group.

On Jul 20, 2016 5:19 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Ugh its that kind of PC sentiment that I hate.
> Stereotypes come from somewhere, otherwise they wouldn't be stereotypes.
> I don't understand why its okay to make comments about how white guys got
> no rhythm and can't dance and not okay to point out other stereotypes. If
> we can't laugh at ourselves and each other all we can do is cry.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:04 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
>
> That is an unfortunate stereotyping and I'm sad to see you posting it.
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning <
> > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning>
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dan, you need to explain this as it makes no sense:  "Too bad Kaleb’s
> not
> > > Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, I hear…"
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Lawyers have the 4D Rule:
> > >>
> > >> Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..
> > >>
> > >> You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...
> > >>
> > >> "The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."
> > >>
> > >> One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX
> > dollars
> > >> for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
> > >> silently and listen carefully..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?
> > >>>
> > >>> Yikes.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all
> the
> > >>> time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all
> > >> really
> > >>> started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest
> with
> > >> the
> > >>> renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but
> > >> their
> > >>> lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting
> it
> > >> ride
> > >>> and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except
> > as
> > >> it
> > >>> turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
> > >>> mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So
> > mediation
> > >>> was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever
> > because
> > >>> he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he
> > was
> > >>> filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest
> > >> turned
> > >>> into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I
> > have a
> > >>> bad feeling.
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-20 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes

Depends on with whom a "white" is interacting, and where the interaction 
occurs, and a variety of other factors.


You are stereotyping.

--JC (who can't jump)


On 7/20/16 5:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Obviously because white isn't a persecuted religion or minority group.

On Jul 20, 2016 5:19 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:


Ugh its that kind of PC sentiment that I hate.
Stereotypes come from somewhere, otherwise they wouldn't be stereotypes.
I don't understand why its okay to make comments about how white guys got
no rhythm and can't dance and not okay to point out other stereotypes. If
we can't laugh at ourselves and each other all we can do is cry.
-Curt

   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

That is an unfortunate stereotyping and I'm sad to see you posting it.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning <
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning>




On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Dan, you need to explain this as it makes no sense:  "Too bad Kaleb’s

not

Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, I hear…"

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com>

wrote:


Lawyers have the 4D Rule:

Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..

You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...

"The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."

One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX

dollars

for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
silently and listen carefully..


On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?

Yikes.



On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all

the

time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all

really

started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest

with

the

renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but

their

lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting

it

ride

and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except

as

it

turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So

mediation

was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever

because

he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he

was

filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest

turned

into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I

have a

bad feeling.

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

So two wrongs all of a sudden make a right? Its okay because white folks are 
all obviously bad?
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Curt Raymond 
 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
   
Obviously because white isn't a persecuted religion or minority group.
On Jul 20, 2016 5:19 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes"  
wrote:

Ugh its that kind of PC sentiment that I hate.
Stereotypes come from somewhere, otherwise they wouldn't be stereotypes.
I don't understand why its okay to make comments about how white guys got no 
rhythm and can't dance and not okay to point out other stereotypes. If we can't 
laugh at ourselves and each other all we can do is cry.
-Curt

      From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

That is an unfortunate stereotyping and I'm sad to see you posting it.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning <
> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dan, you need to explain this as it makes no sense:  "Too bad Kaleb’s not
> > Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, I hear…"
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Lawyers have the 4D Rule:
> >>
> >> Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..
> >>
> >> You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...
> >>
> >> "The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."
> >>
> >> One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX
> dollars
> >> for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
> >> silently and listen carefully..
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?
> >>>
> >>> Yikes.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the
> >>> time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all
> >> really
> >>> started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with
> >> the
> >>> renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but
> >> their
> >>> lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it
> >> ride
> >>> and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except
> as
> >> it
> >>> turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
> >>> mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So
> mediation
> >>> was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever
> because
> >>> he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he
> was
> >>> filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest
> >> turned
> >>> into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I
> have a
> >>> bad feeling.
> >>>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Purely tongue in cheek, nothing more.



On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> That is an unfortunate stereotyping and I'm sad to see you posting it.
> 


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We do have a problem with black peoples burning stuff down though. Ooops that 
was probably not PC.

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> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Purely tongue in cheek, nothing more.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>> 
>> That is an unfortunate stereotyping and I'm sad to see you posting it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

All this PC stuff really pisses me off. I would respond but I'm late for my
Anger Management Class... again.. which really pisses me off.. ;)))

Amazing how important it is to violate the First Amendment of the Bill of
Rights so some group can dictate "acceptable speech rules" and enforce
their version of "political correctness"

What kind of statement does it make, when the only two places left
undamaged in Furgeson, Mo were the Welfare Office, and the Bail Bondsman
Office ?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We do have a problem with black peoples burning stuff down though. Ooops
> that was probably not PC.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Purely tongue in cheek, nothing more.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> That is an unfortunate stereotyping and I'm sad to see you posting it.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

If certain people did not want to be cast in a certain light, maybe they should 
not behave in that certain manner.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:18 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> All this PC stuff really pisses me off. I would respond but I'm late for my
> Anger Management Class... again.. which really pisses me off.. ;)))
> 
> Amazing how important it is to violate the First Amendment of the Bill of
> Rights so some group can dictate "acceptable speech rules" and enforce
> their version of "political correctness"
> 
> What kind of statement does it make, when the only two places left
> undamaged in Furgeson, Mo were the Welfare Office, and the Bail Bondsman
> Office ?
> 
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> We do have a problem with black peoples burning stuff down though. Ooops
>> that was probably not PC.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Purely tongue in cheek, nothing more.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
>> wrote:
 
 That is an unfortunate stereotyping and I'm sad to see you posting it.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-20 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

'Zackly what I thought he meant.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

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Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning 
<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning>

On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Dan, you need to explain this as it makes no sense:  "Too bad Kaleb’s not
Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, I hear…"

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 

wrote:

Lawyers have the 4D Rule:

Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..

You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...

"The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."

One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX 
dollars

for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
silently and listen carefully..

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?

Yikes.

On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the

time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all

really

started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with

the

renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but

their

lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it

ride
and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except 
as

it

turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So 
mediation
was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever 
because
he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he 
was

filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest

turned
into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I have 
a

bad feeling.

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-20 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Yea, and knows everything too.



I know some people that got seriously screwed renting their old house after they 
moved. But they had it worse than you guys. The husband is a cop who knows 
everything and got his butt handed to him in court. IIRC his biggest error was 
never sending them a letter required by law informing them of their default 
before he retained their security deposit.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-20 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes

Kaleb, hope it turns out OK.

Some of SWMBO's relatives in Jersey rented out their house when they moved
to Florida, it was a real disaster.  The lease was absolutely full of holes
and they didn't document condition and trusted the tenants way too much.
Came back for a visit after months and found that the tenants had started
drilling holes and tearing things up and basically remodeling the place, or
trying to learn how to remodel.  They spent a ton of money kicking them out
and then fixing the damage.  Once the house was habitable again, they hired
a management agency and smooth sailing ever since.
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 20/07/2016 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Well I guess here is where we stand from what I was told.  Their 
lawyer filed whatever paperwork for mediation.  At this point we are 
waiting for "them" to let us know when that will be.  I am not sure 
who "them" is as I was not able to obtain that information. It just 
appears to be that the renters have decided to hire a lawyer and now  
he is steering the ship in the deal, as "we" are waiting on "them".  I 
guess "they" got one over on us because "we" appear to be out of our 
league but won't admit it. So this could be a week, a month, hell no 
telling.  I just know they have no reason to pay now, because we can't 
do anything until mediation is done.  No agreements will be reached so 
then we will have to file AGAIN, wait for it to be serviced, wait for 
yet another court date and so on, then no telling what surprise their 
lawyer will come up with then.  I guess I am now going to have to pay 
money for a lawyer otherwise it will appear that we will probably 
continue to get railroaded.




Have you considered the fact that you should have a lawyer too?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes


He has his wife who is an expert in real estate matters.

--JC


On 7/21/16 11:38 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

On 20/07/2016 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Well I guess here is where we stand from what I was told.  Their 
lawyer filed whatever paperwork for mediation.  At this point we are 
waiting for "them" to let us know when that will be.  I am not sure 
who "them" is as I was not able to obtain that information. It just 
appears to be that the renters have decided to hire a lawyer and now  
he is steering the ship in the deal, as "we" are waiting on "them".  
I guess "they" got one over on us because "we" appear to be out of 
our league but won't admit it. So this could be a week, a month, hell 
no telling.  I just know they have no reason to pay now, because we 
can't do anything until mediation is done.  No agreements will be 
reached so then we will have to file AGAIN, wait for it to be 
serviced, wait for yet another court date and so on, then no telling 
what surprise their lawyer will come up with then.  I guess I am now 
going to have to pay money for a lawyer otherwise it will appear that 
we will probably continue to get railroaded.




Have you considered the fact that you should have a lawyer too?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Not a bad idea to lawyer up, especially at this point when things have gone 
kablewy. Might save money in the long run having somebody that does this look 
everything over.
-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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Cc: Randy Bennell 
 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
   
On 20/07/2016 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Well I guess here is where we stand from what I was told.  Their 
> lawyer filed whatever paperwork for mediation.  At this point we are 
> waiting for "them" to let us know when that will be.  I am not sure 
> who "them" is as I was not able to obtain that information. It just 
> appears to be that the renters have decided to hire a lawyer and now  
> he is steering the ship in the deal, as "we" are waiting on "them".  I 
> guess "they" got one over on us because "we" appear to be out of our 
> league but won't admit it. So this could be a week, a month, hell no 
> telling.  I just know they have no reason to pay now, because we can't 
> do anything until mediation is done.  No agreements will be reached so 
> then we will have to file AGAIN, wait for it to be serviced, wait for 
> yet another court date and so on, then no telling what surprise their 
> lawyer will come up with then.  I guess I am now going to have to pay 
> money for a lawyer otherwise it will appear that we will probably 
> continue to get railroaded.
>

Have you considered the fact that you should have a lawyer too?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

At this point probably so. Normally in such matters it is foolish to involve 
them.

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> On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 20/07/2016 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Well I guess here is where we stand from what I was told.  Their lawyer 
>> filed whatever paperwork for mediation.  At this point we are waiting for 
>> "them" to let us know when that will be.  I am not sure who "them" is as I 
>> was not able to obtain that information. It just appears to be that the 
>> renters have decided to hire a lawyer and now  he is steering the ship in 
>> the deal, as "we" are waiting on "them".  I guess "they" got one over on us 
>> because "we" appear to be out of our league but won't admit it. So this 
>> could be a week, a month, hell no telling.  I just know they have no reason 
>> to pay now, because we can't do anything until mediation is done.  No 
>> agreements will be reached so then we will have to file AGAIN, wait for it 
>> to be serviced, wait for yet another court date and so on, then no telling 
>> what surprise their lawyer will come up with then.  I guess I am now going 
>> to have to pay money for a lawyer otherwise it will appear that we will 
>> probably continue to get railroaded.
> 
> Have you considered the fact that you should have a lawyer too?
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Error 1: Not having a lawyer draw up the rental contract.. with TEETH.
Error 2: See Error 1.

4D Rule: Deceive, Deny, Delay, Divert.
Opposing lawyer has Delayed and diverted you. Your goal is EVICTION, with
payment in full of past due rents.
Your post above suggests your dialogue with this issue has been diverted to
"never getting paid"..

It is not the duty of opposing lawyer to set mediation schedule.. or make
mediation arrangements with Qualified Mediation Office.  You are the
INJURED PARTY who seeks settlement through being heard in Court.

Since, at this point, you represent yourself.. YOU are the lawyer and can
contact the renters lawyer. He has a DUTY to disclose all information to
YOU, prior to the hearing, with adequate time for you to craft a response.
It may be Mediation, but the Rules of Court still apply.

Time to lawyer up with a shark, if you can find one.. Funny isn't it..
renters can't make rent payments, but can retain a lawyer?

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Not a bad idea to lawyer up, especially at this point when things have
> gone kablewy. Might save money in the long run having somebody that does
> this look everything over.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Randy Bennell 
>  Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:38 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
>
> On 20/07/2016 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Well I guess here is where we stand from what I was told.  Their
> > lawyer filed whatever paperwork for mediation.  At this point we are
> > waiting for "them" to let us know when that will be.  I am not sure
> > who "them" is as I was not able to obtain that information. It just
> > appears to be that the renters have decided to hire a lawyer and now
> > he is steering the ship in the deal, as "we" are waiting on "them".  I
> > guess "they" got one over on us because "we" appear to be out of our
> > league but won't admit it. So this could be a week, a month, hell no
> > telling.  I just know they have no reason to pay now, because we can't
> > do anything until mediation is done.  No agreements will be reached so
> > then we will have to file AGAIN, wait for it to be serviced, wait for
> > yet another court date and so on, then no telling what surprise their
> > lawyer will come up with then.  I guess I am now going to have to pay
> > money for a lawyer otherwise it will appear that we will probably
> > continue to get railroaded.
> >
>
> Have you considered the fact that you should have a lawyer too?
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

We used a standard Oklahoma real estate commission lease contract which is 
pretty detailed and has plenty of teeth except for that mediation clause we 
failed to notice and remove.

We need to get aggressive with getting this thing to mediation so we can then 
refile the case. Waiting on somebody to call us ain't going to work.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:36 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Error 1: Not having a lawyer draw up the rental contract.. with TEETH.
> Error 2: See Error 1.
> 
> 4D Rule: Deceive, Deny, Delay, Divert.
> Opposing lawyer has Delayed and diverted you. Your goal is EVICTION, with
> payment in full of past due rents.
> Your post above suggests your dialogue with this issue has been diverted to
> "never getting paid"..
> 
> It is not the duty of opposing lawyer to set mediation schedule.. or make
> mediation arrangements with Qualified Mediation Office.  You are the
> INJURED PARTY who seeks settlement through being heard in Court.
> 
> Since, at this point, you represent yourself.. YOU are the lawyer and can
> contact the renters lawyer. He has a DUTY to disclose all information to
> YOU, prior to the hearing, with adequate time for you to craft a response.
> It may be Mediation, but the Rules of Court still apply.
> 
> Time to lawyer up with a shark, if you can find one.. Funny isn't it..
> renters can't make rent payments, but can retain a lawyer?
> 
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Not a bad idea to lawyer up, especially at this point when things have
>> gone kablewy. Might save money in the long run having somebody that does
>> this look everything over.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Randy Bennell 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
>> 
>>> On 20/07/2016 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Well I guess here is where we stand from what I was told.  Their
>>> lawyer filed whatever paperwork for mediation.  At this point we are
>>> waiting for "them" to let us know when that will be.  I am not sure
>>> who "them" is as I was not able to obtain that information. It just
>>> appears to be that the renters have decided to hire a lawyer and now
>>> he is steering the ship in the deal, as "we" are waiting on "them".  I
>>> guess "they" got one over on us because "we" appear to be out of our
>>> league but won't admit it. So this could be a week, a month, hell no
>>> telling.  I just know they have no reason to pay now, because we can't
>>> do anything until mediation is done.  No agreements will be reached so
>>> then we will have to file AGAIN, wait for it to be serviced, wait for
>>> yet another court date and so on, then no telling what surprise their
>>> lawyer will come up with then.  I guess I am now going to have to pay
>>> money for a lawyer otherwise it will appear that we will probably
>>> continue to get railroaded.
>> 
>> Have you considered the fact that you should have a lawyer too?
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

It's never foolish to have a lawyer on retainer.

Well other than 98% of the lawyers give the rest a bad name.. ;))

As a point of reference, I have 3 lawyers on retainer. A Criminal lawyer, A
Civil lawyer, and a CPA Tax lawyer.  The retainer for each is a minimal
yearly stipend which simply defines that each of them is "my lawyer" of
record. Which means, as a practical matter, that when I call them for an
issue, we already have a working relationship.

The Criminal lawyer is retained because I choose to always be armed. Should
I be pressed to defend myself, he stands ready, as part of my insurance
policy that my Citizen Right to self defense is protected. Low retainer,
and to date, never had to call upon his services.
The Civil lawyer is used frequently for all manner of work pertaining to
properties, renter contracts, and in some cases, foreclosures.
CPA Tax lawyer enjoys steady work.. with 78,000 pages of tax code to comply
with, and other such matters. As my lawyer of record, and my CPA, all
communications are privileged conversations. Which could be advantaged.

My suggestion would be to "lawyer up"..

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> At this point probably so. Normally in such matters it is foolish to
> involve them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 21, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 20/07/2016 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Well I guess here is where we stand from what I was told.  Their lawyer
> filed whatever paperwork for mediation.  At this point we are waiting for
> "them" to let us know when that will be.  I am not sure who "them" is as I
> was not able to obtain that information. It just appears to be that the
> renters have decided to hire a lawyer and now  he is steering the ship in
> the deal, as "we" are waiting on "them".  I guess "they" got one over on us
> because "we" appear to be out of our league but won't admit it. So this
> could be a week, a month, hell no telling.  I just know they have no reason
> to pay now, because we can't do anything until mediation is done.  No
> agreements will be reached so then we will have to file AGAIN, wait for it
> to be serviced, wait for yet another court date and so on, then no telling
> what surprise their lawyer will come up with then.  I guess I am now going
> to have to pay money for a lawyer otherwise it will appear that we will
> probably continue to get railroaded.
> >
> > Have you considered the fact that you should have a lawyer too?
> >
> > RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Hence you need a lawyer. Somebody to look through your contract and find 
anything else you've missed. You don't want to get into mediation and find out 
you haven't dotted some i or crossed some t.
I suspect an inspection would reveal the opposing lawyer to be family...
-Curt

  From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:45 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
   
We used a standard Oklahoma real estate commission lease contract which is 
pretty detailed and has plenty of teeth except for that mediation clause we 
failed to notice and remove.

We need to get aggressive with getting this thing to mediation so we can then 
refile the case. Waiting on somebody to call us ain't going to work.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:36 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Error 1: Not having a lawyer draw up the rental contract.. with TEETH.
> Error 2: See Error 1.
> 
> 4D Rule: Deceive, Deny, Delay, Divert.
> Opposing lawyer has Delayed and diverted you. Your goal is EVICTION, with
> payment in full of past due rents.
> Your post above suggests your dialogue with this issue has been diverted to
> "never getting paid"..
> 
> It is not the duty of opposing lawyer to set mediation schedule.. or make
> mediation arrangements with Qualified Mediation Office.  You are the
> INJURED PARTY who seeks settlement through being heard in Court.
> 
> Since, at this point, you represent yourself.. YOU are the lawyer and can
> contact the renters lawyer. He has a DUTY to disclose all information to
> YOU, prior to the hearing, with adequate time for you to craft a response.
> It may be Mediation, but the Rules of Court still apply.
> 
> Time to lawyer up with a shark, if you can find one.. Funny isn't it..
> renters can't make rent payments, but can retain a lawyer?
> 
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Not a bad idea to lawyer up, especially at this point when things have
>> gone kablewy. Might save money in the long run having somebody that does
>> this look everything over.
>> -Curt
>> 
>>      From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Randy Bennell 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT eviction
>> 
>>> On 20/07/2016 4:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Well I guess here is where we stand from what I was told.  Their
>>> lawyer filed whatever paperwork for mediation.  At this point we are
>>> waiting for "them" to let us know when that will be.  I am not sure
>>> who "them" is as I was not able to obtain that information. It just
>>> appears to be that the renters have decided to hire a lawyer and now
>>> he is steering the ship in the deal, as "we" are waiting on "them".  I
>>> guess "they" got one over on us because "we" appear to be out of our
>>> league but won't admit it. So this could be a week, a month, hell no
>>> telling.  I just know they have no reason to pay now, because we can't
>>> do anything until mediation is done.  No agreements will be reached so
>>> then we will have to file AGAIN, wait for it to be serviced, wait for
>>> yet another court date and so on, then no telling what surprise their
>>> lawyer will come up with then.  I guess I am now going to have to pay
>>> money for a lawyer otherwise it will appear that we will probably
>>> continue to get railroaded.
>> 
>> Have you considered the fact that you should have a lawyer too?
>> 
>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes

Kaleb, 
It seems that since it's "your contract" you should set both the mediator and 
the time of mediation. If a judge were involved, the judge would set it. If 
there is no judge involved, then you should get a mediator, have them send a 
registered letter advising of time and date for mediation. If they don't show, 
then go back to the original judge and ask for relief as you've done your part. 
Now, I'm not a lawyer (and I didn't stay in a HI last night), but I would 
believe this course would be reasonable. If they want to drag it out, it should 
be them who are penalized. And I would not pay for their attorney as you didn't 
tell them they had to have an attorney. 
Just my feelings on the matter. 
Best wishes and good luck, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

You are 100% correct in my mind.

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> On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:54 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, 
> It seems that since it's "your contract" you should set both the mediator and 
> the time of mediation. If a judge were involved, the judge would set it. If 
> there is no judge involved, then you should get a mediator, have them send a 
> registered letter advising of time and date for mediation. If they don't 
> show, then go back to the original judge and ask for relief as you've done 
> your part. Now, I'm not a lawyer (and I didn't stay in a HI last night), but 
> I would believe this course would be reasonable. If they want to drag it out, 
> it should be them who are penalized. And I would not pay for their attorney 
> as you didn't tell them they had to have an attorney. 
> Just my feelings on the matter. 
> Best wishes and good luck, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Since I've never seen your Rental Contract, I'm only supposing it would
have a clause which clearly defines actions should the Renter default on
the required payment.

In my Rental Contract it clearly says, ALL RECOVERY COSTS necessary to
collect payments past due SHALL be payable and due to the Company. And it
sets a time line for when payment is past due, the penalty added for past
due, and defines such things as process service, court cost, and legal fees.

If your contract doesn't have that "fine print" you've not been served well
by it.
I suggest a new contract for all future rentals.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Kaleb,
> It seems that since it's "your contract" you should set both the mediator
> and the time of mediation. If a judge were involved, the judge would set
> it. If there is no judge involved, then you should get a mediator, have
> them send a registered letter advising of time and date for mediation. If
> they don't show, then go back to the original judge and ask for relief as
> you've done your part. Now, I'm not a lawyer (and I didn't stay in a HI
> last night), but I would believe this course would be reasonable. If they
> want to drag it out, it should be them who are penalized. And I would not
> pay for their attorney as you didn't tell them they had to have an attorney.
> Just my feelings on the matter.
> Best wishes and good luck,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Grant sez: 

>‎In my Rental Contract it clearly >says, ALL RECOVERY COSTS >necessary to 
>collect payments >past due SHALL be payable and >due to the Company.

Do you mind posting a redacted (no names, i.e. blank) copy? I will be needing a 
new rental contract soon. 

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

I'm concerned that I might do you a great disservice in doing that. I
suggest you engage a local lawyers to draft a Contract that observes all
your particular states laws and perhaps any local regulations that may
apply..

A Rental Contract is, as viewed by a Judge, a Contract, entered into by
informed parties, not under duress. If it's written and agreed to, it's
binding upon those signing parties.. case closed.. if it is Notarized...
even more enforceable.

What applies to your particular circumstances might not apply to mine..
However, the guiding principle is .. "I give you unfettered access and use
of property worth $XXX,000.00 for the paltry amount of $X,000 per month."
Protect your investment.
Would you let someone drive your new Rolls Royce which cost $250,000 all
month for the rental price, or leave it with them for a year? Similar
exchange of value and use.

Properties are valuable items.. pick your renters carefully. Vet them..
then bind them.
As the Landlord, you have a duty to know the contract better than anyone
else.
Get in touch with your "inner Trump" .. ;))

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> Grant sez:
>
> >‎In my Rental Contract it clearly >says, ALL RECOVERY COSTS >necessary to
> collect payments >past due SHALL be payable and >due to the Company.
>
> Do you mind posting a redacted (no names, i.e. blank) copy? I will be
> needing a new rental contract soon.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

As the Landlord, you have a duty to know the contract better than anyone
else.


Are rental contracts considered contracts of adhesion, with all vague terms 
construed to the disadvantage of the author?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 21/07/2016 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

We used a standard Oklahoma real estate commission lease contract which is 
pretty detailed and has plenty of teeth except for that mediation clause we 
failed to notice and remove.

We need to get aggressive with getting this thing to mediation so we can then 
refile the case. Waiting on somebody to call us ain't going to work.



No idea about Oklahoma, but you might want to dig a bit deeper. Some 
jurisdictions do not let you change the terms of the standard lease.


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All the more reason to engage a lawyer.. Contracts of Adhesion are
specifically against the law. As a "non-lawyer" you could possibly draft
something into your Rental Contract that could be argued to have been
"Adhesion" ... avoid that, as it would serve to negate the contract and
leave you, the landlord, vulnerable.

The surface level of Rentals is all "feel good, provide housing" but that
surface is thin ice.. you, the landlord are taking a "Yue" bet your
investment of thousands will pay you back, without being damaged by the
meth addict you just rented to.. [perhaps].

Get a good contract that fits your situation and local regulations and
laws, but with "teeth" that protect you.
The "teeth" that protect the Renter is, you must maintain the property in
an adequate condition during the term of the rental.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> As the Landlord, you have a duty to know the contract better than anyone
>> else.
>>
>
> Are rental contracts considered contracts of adhesion, with all vague
> terms construed to the disadvantage of the author?
>
> Mitch.
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We can use whatever contract we want here or use the OREC one and change as 
needed.

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> On Jul 21, 2016, at 1:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 21/07/2016 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> We used a standard Oklahoma real estate commission lease contract which is 
>> pretty detailed and has plenty of teeth except for that mediation clause we 
>> failed to notice and remove.
>> 
>> We need to get aggressive with getting this thing to mediation so we can 
>> then refile the case. Waiting on somebody to call us ain't going to work.
> 
> No idea about Oklahoma, but you might want to dig a bit deeper. Some 
> jurisdictions do not let you change the terms of the standard lease.
> 
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A copy of the lease we used is located  here:

https://www.ok.gov/OREC/documents/Residential%20Lease.pdf

It seems pretty air tight to me and covers everything except we 
did not realize section 25 was in there.  It will be taken out or 
reworded to indicate we MAY at owners discretion use mediation.


I think, I hope, I prey I just finally explained it in a way that 
SWMBO might actually understand what the hell is going on. 
Currently this is the situation:


1. We file court case, they are serviced, we go to court, case 
dismissed because we did not first go to mediation which is in our 
own contract


2. There was a mediator in the court room ready to go right then 
but their lawyer decided he did not have time to mediate then


3. SWMBO says their lawyer filled out paperwork for mediation 
yesterday


4. SWMBO seems to think we just wait for us to be told when it is.

What I just told SWMBO is this and I am not a lawyer, I just have 
a lot of common sense about such matters and can read a contract.


1. Any any point in time either us or the renters can and could 
decide they have a problem and want to mediate.


2. At this point in time we did not follow our contract and go to 
mediation first so the case is dismissed at this point and dead.


3. Yes, their lawyer can fill out paperwork to setup mediation, 
but they are deciding who to use for mediation, when to set it up 
etc etc


4.  We should not care what their lawyer is doing, we are the 
captain of this ship, we decide when and where and what, so we 
need to be setting up mediation of OUR choice when we choose


5. If we just sit back and let them let us know when, they can 
simply set it up with somebody the lawyer knows, and THEY can 
decide when works for them, could be next week, or maybe they set 
it up for end of August, or never at all.


6.  Point is, in my thinking their lawyer can fill out whatever he 
wants, but if we want them out, WE need to also get things setup 
on our own.


I THINK maybe she gets it now, but am still not 100% sure as she 
said she was going to call their lawyer and tell him we are not 
waiting and it needs to be setup quick.  Still not exactly what I 
had in mind but at least it is one step further than sitting back 
and waiting.  We shall see what happens.




On 7/21/2016 12:01 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Since I've never seen your Rental Contract, I'm only supposing it would
have a clause which clearly defines actions should the Renter default on
the required payment.

In my Rental Contract it clearly says, ALL RECOVERY COSTS necessary to
collect payments past due SHALL be payable and due to the Company. And it
sets a time line for when payment is past due, the penalty added for past
due, and defines such things as process service, court cost, and legal fees.

If your contract doesn't have that "fine print" you've not been served well
by it.
I suggest a new contract for all future rentals.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 9:54 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Kaleb,
It seems that since it's "your contract" you should set both the mediator
and the time of mediation. If a judge were involved, the judge would set
it. If there is no judge involved, then you should get a mediator, have
them send a registered letter advising of time and date for mediation. If
they don't show, then go back to the original judge and ask for relief as
you've done your part. Now, I'm not a lawyer (and I didn't stay in a HI
last night), but I would believe this course would be reasonable. If they
want to drag it out, it should be them who are penalized. And I would not
pay for their attorney as you didn't tell them they had to have an attorney.
Just my feelings on the matter.
Best wishes and good luck,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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This is not a beater Mercedes that you can tinker with and leave for another 
day if you can’t fix it, Kaleb.

You need to step up and hire a professional before you get led down the path by 
the lessee, or their attorney, who has far more knowledge and understanding of 
the situation than you ever will.

That’s not to say you don’t, it’s more a matter of experience and familiarity 
with the (local) legal system.  They currently have the upper hand, and as long 
as they do, you’re going to get screwed.

Regina should have some leads on good property attorneys from her real estate 
contacts.  I suggest she starts collecting some names and making some phone 
calls.  it will be far cheaper in the end.

Dan

> On Jul 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I THINK maybe she gets it now, but am still not 100% sure as she said she was 
> going to call their lawyer and tell him we are not waiting and it needs to be 
> setup quick.  Still not exactly what I had in mind but at least it is one 
> step further than sitting back and waiting.  We shall see what happens.
> 

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2016-07-21 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Ditto, a few hundred dollars now could easily save tens of thousands...

Only once have I ever walked into a situation and been ambushed with no lawyer, 
won't happen again...  You've paid some stupid tax, no need to pay more.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 21, 2016 3:32:28 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>This is not a beater Mercedes that you can tinker with and leave for
>another day if you can’t fix it, Kaleb.
>
>You need to step up and hire a professional before you get led down the
>path by the lessee, or their attorney, who has far more knowledge and
>understanding of the situation than you ever will.
>
>That’s not to say you don’t, it’s more a matter of experience and
>familiarity with the (local) legal system.  They currently have the
>upper hand, and as long as they do, you’re going to get screwed.
>
>Regina should have some leads on good property attorneys from her real
>estate contacts.  I suggest she starts collecting some names and making
>some phone calls.  it will be far cheaper in the end.
>
>Dan
>
>
>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> I THINK maybe she gets it now, but am still not 100% sure as she said
>she was going to call their lawyer and tell him we are not waiting and
>it needs to be setup quick.  Still not exactly what I had in mind but
>at least it is one step further than sitting back and waiting.  We
>shall see what happens.
>> 
>
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--R wrote:
> He has his wife who is an expert in real estate matters.

That sounds like stereotype.
Actually, I like chocolate, which is also a stereotype.
Stereotype, in a sense, declares preference or choice.  Somehow that
don't sound wrong...
mao

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Dan wrote:
> This is not a beater Mercedes that you can tinker...

All this professional law stealer talk - I'm ashamed to be a DIY
vintage mercedes tinkerer.  You guys disappoint.
I am professional renter - been here 20 years and talk to the owner
often.  As DIY, Kaleb, get yer butt over to your house and be
professional, courteous, respectful, nice, polite - DIY!!  Fine, you
are disappointed but somewhere money spent at the dealer is more
expensive than okiebenz.  DIY!!  Some day I will be needing to leave
my rental and with all this rental property angst, I think I shall rue
that day.  C'mon guys - show our okiebenz host some DIY skill!!  Kaleb
- a little chagrin, a little honesty, a little respect - all goes a
looong way against dealer cost.  DIY
mao

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Well we had been consulting with my cousin who is a local real 
estate attorney but we did not tell him about that mediation deal. 
I agree they decided to pay a lawyer and now have the upper hand 
in what should have been a simple case so I am probably going to 
just pay him to handle the deal.  This is not a cousin Vinney 
deal, this is what he does everyday so should be able to handle it 
fine.  Hope he does not want too much money.



On 7/21/2016 2:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

This is not a beater Mercedes that you can tinker with and leave for another 
day if you can’t fix it, Kaleb.

You need to step up and hire a professional before you get led down the path by 
the lessee, or their attorney, who has far more knowledge and understanding of 
the situation than you ever will.

That’s not to say you don’t, it’s more a matter of experience and familiarity 
with the (local) legal system.  They currently have the upper hand, and as long 
as they do, you’re going to get screwed.

Regina should have some leads on good property attorneys from her real estate 
contacts.  I suggest she starts collecting some names and making some phone 
calls.  it will be far cheaper in the end.

Dan



On Jul 21, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I THINK maybe she gets it now, but am still not 100% sure as she said she was 
going to call their lawyer and tell him we are not waiting and it needs to be 
setup quick.  Still not exactly what I had in mind but at least it is one step 
further than sitting back and waiting.  We shall see what happens.



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Dan,

Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the DIY stage.

His lessees also have not shown that they respect him or the contract they 
signed, so your suggestion is pretty much moot.  I believe that cow is out of 
the barn.

Dan



> On Jul 21, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan wrote:
>> This is not a beater Mercedes that you can tinker...
> 
> All this professional law stealer talk - I'm ashamed to be a DIY
> vintage mercedes tinkerer.  You guys disappoint.
> I am professional renter - been here 20 years and talk to the owner
> often.  As DIY, Kaleb, get yer butt over to your house and be
> professional, courteous, respectful, nice, polite - DIY!!  Fine, you
> are disappointed but somewhere money spent at the dealer is more
> expensive than okiebenz.  DIY!!  Some day I will be needing to leave
> my rental and with all this rental property angst, I think I shall rue
> that day.  C'mon guys - show our okiebenz host some DIY skill!!  Kaleb
> - a little chagrin, a little honesty, a little respect - all goes a
> looong way against dealer cost.  DIY
> mao
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Yes, you are right.  They are going to lose as it is black and 
white they are in violation but for some very strange reason I 
still cant comprehend they decided to hire an lawyer so we are of 
course going to have to hire one, which they will have to pay for 
when they lose.  It would stand to reason at first glance we would 
not need to even though they have one because they are in clear 
violation.  BUT, and this is the big part, these lawyers will find 
ways to stall, and delay and do whatever they can to win, so we 
really have no choice.  In fact, if you are in court by yourself 
and the other party has a lawyer, the judge just seems to listen 
to the lawyer and does not pay much attention to the person who 
does not have a lawyer, so the lawyer is running the show 
basically which we say yesterday by the fact that he got it 
dismissed and he is supposedly going to setup the mediation. He 
does not need to be in control, we need to be in control.



On 7/21/2016 3:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Dan,

Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the DIY stage.

His lessees also have not shown that they respect him or the contract they 
signed, so your suggestion is pretty much moot.  I believe that cow is out of 
the barn.

Dan




On Jul 21, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
wrote:

Dan wrote:

This is not a beater Mercedes that you can tinker...

All this professional law stealer talk - I'm ashamed to be a DIY
vintage mercedes tinkerer.  You guys disappoint.
I am professional renter - been here 20 years and talk to the owner
often.  As DIY, Kaleb, get yer butt over to your house and be
professional, courteous, respectful, nice, polite - DIY!!  Fine, you
are disappointed but somewhere money spent at the dealer is more
expensive than okiebenz.  DIY!!  Some day I will be needing to leave
my rental and with all this rental property angst, I think I shall rue
that day.  C'mon guys - show our okiebenz host some DIY skill!!  Kaleb
- a little chagrin, a little honesty, a little respect - all goes a
looong way against dealer cost.  DIY
mao

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So just as I suspected the wife called their lawyer who says he
  has a date for mediation, they are thinking the 11th or 15th of
  August, whatever works around their schedule.  Wife let him know
  that was simply not going to work.  When she told me this all I
  could say was I told you so.  We then informed their lawyer we
  would be listing the house for sale on the market, which he said
  we could not do that, it was "against the law".  Well the contract
  which comes from the OREC says we can, I just looked the landlord
  tennent act which says this:


128. Consent of tenant for landlord to enter dwelling
  unit—Emergency entry—Abuse of 
right of entry—Notice—Abandoned premises—Refusal
  of consent
A. A tenant shall not unreasonably withhold
  consent to the landlord, his agents and employees, 
to enter into the dwelling unit in order to
  inspect the premises, make necessary or agreed repairs, 
decorations, alterations or improvements, supply
  necessary or agreed services or exhibit the dwell
-
ing unit to prospective or actual purchasers,
  mortgagee, tenants, workmen or contractors.
B. A landlord, his agents and employees may
  enter the dwelling unit without consent of the 
tenant in case of emergency.
C. A landlord shall not abuse the right of
  access or use it to harass the tenant. Except in case of 
emergency or unless it is impracticable to do
  so, the landlord shall give the tenant at least one (1) 
day’s notice of his intent to enter and may
  enter only at reasonable times.
D. Unless the tenant has abandoned or
  surrendered the premises, a landlord has no other right 
of access during a tenancy except as is provided
  in this act or pursuant to a court order.
E. If the tenant refuses to allow lawful access,
  the landlord may obtain injunctive relief to com
-
pel access or he may terminate the rental agreemen

Lawyer on our behalf being obtained now.  Afterwards I  have to
decide if its worth renting out the old house or just getting rid of
it.
On 7/21/2016 3:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin
  via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, you are right.  They are going to lose as it is
  black and white they are in violation but for some very strange
  reason I still cant comprehend they decided to hire an lawyer so
  we are of course going to have to hire one, which they will have
  to pay for when they lose.  It would stand to reason at first
  glance we would not need to even though they have one because they
  are in clear violation.  BUT, and this is the big part, these
  lawyers will find ways to stall, and delay and do whatever they
  can to win, so we really have no choice.  In fact, if you are in
  court by yourself and the other party has a lawyer, the judge just
  seems to listen to the lawyer and does not pay much attention to
  the person who does not have a lawyer, so the lawyer is running
  the show basically which we say yesterday by the fact that he got
  it dismissed and he is supposedly going to setup the mediation. He
  does not need to be in control, we need to be in control.
  
  
  
  On 7/21/2016 3:15 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
  
  Dan,


Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s
beyond the DIY stage.


His lessees also have not shown that they respect him or the
contract they signed, so your suggestion is pretty much moot.  I
believe that cow is out of the barn.


Dan




On Jul 21, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Mountain
  Man via Mercedes  wrote:
  
  
  Dan wrote:
  
  This is not a beater Mercedes that you
can tinker...

  
  All this professional law stealer talk - I'm ashamed to be a
  DIY
  
  vintage mercedes tinkerer.  You guys disappoint.
  
  I am professional renter - been here 20 years and talk to the
  owner
  
  often.  As DIY, Kaleb, get yer butt over to your house and be
  
  professional, courteous, respectful, nice, polite - DIY!! 
  Fine, you
  
  are disappointed but somewhere money spent at the dealer is
  more
  
  expensive than okiebenz.  DIY!!  Some day I will be needing to
  leave
  
  my rental and with all this rental property angst, I think I
  shall rue
  
  that day.  C'mon guys - show our okiebenz host some DIY
  skill!!  Kaleb
  
  - a little chagrin, a little honesty, a little respect - all
  goes a
  
  looong way against d

Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Kaleb sez:

>Lawyer on our behalf being >obtained now.  Afterwards I  >have to decide if 
>its worth >renting out the old house or >just getting rid of it.

If you get good tenants, it's worth it. You might have to hire someone (real 
estate agent, usually) to find you a good tenant. ‎The fee is generally one 
months rent.

If management of the rental property is going to be SWMBO responsibility (job), 
send her to this Web forum. Lots of good info there.

‎https://www.biggerpockets.com/

Rick
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My plan was to rent out house and by the time I was ready to retire it would be 
paid off and would either have the month rent coming in or could sell it at 
that time.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 21, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb sez:
> 
>> Lawyer on our behalf being >obtained now.  Afterwards I  >have to decide if 
>> its worth >renting out the old house or >just getting rid of it.
> 
> If you get good tenants, it's worth it. You might have to hire someone (real 
> estate agent, usually) to find you a good tenant. ‎The fee is generally one 
> months rent.
> 
> If management of the rental property is going to be SWMBO responsibility 
> (job), send her to this Web forum. Lots of good info there.
> 
> ‎https://www.biggerpockets.com/
> 
> Rick
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And now you learn the tribulations of being a landlord.  It’s not pretty in 
many cases.

Dan

> On Jul 21, 2016, at 6:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My plan was to rent out house and by the time I was ready to retire it would 
> be paid off and would either have the month rent coming in or could sell it 
> at that time.
> 
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2016-07-21 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


On 21/07/2016 4:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:


So just as I suspected the wife called their lawyer . . . . . . .  
When she told me this all I could say was I told you so.




If you keep this up, you will be looking for a Divorce Lawyer.

RB

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Dan wrote:
> Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the DIY 
> stage.

If we used this same approach to maintaining W123, we would be
spending more at the dealer.  Where there is a will, there is a way.
Break the chain of tough guy, eat crow, deal with renter instead of
stealer-lawyer and you probably can see resolution - they are persons,
not aliens.  They may want to break some of the lease restrictions,
but they don't want to be forced out.  Approach it just like you do
DIY - it is an insurmountable issue, but with a little ingenuity and
humility, a solution can be attained at less cost than the
stealer-lawyer.  Stealer-lawyer has zero incentive just like dealer.
Stealer-lawyer does not want to stop nice payment - neither does a
dealer.  You have money to save in eating a bit of crow - it tastes
great with a little garlic.  Go over there, make friendly, avoid
tough-guy upper hand, do them favor, give, let them give also.  You
ain't got too much to lose in the OK wild west.
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I would agree that you could approach them directly and make nice, but knowing 
human nature, the line has been crossed and they‘ve fired the first shot across 
the bow, so to speak.

It’s a significant sign of weakness, no matter what his situation is as the 
owner/lessee in my opinion, and one that they will most likely attempt to 
exploit if it becomes available.  They’ve already made it clear they don’t want 
to leave, so this would just bolster their attitude that they now have the 
upper hand.

As someone professionally trained as a negotiator, I can tell you that your 
position as Kaleb at this point holds little weight, as they have the upper 
hand with an attorney in play.  He pushed them, they reacted, probably 
overreacted, but now the line has been crossed and they are most likely all in, 
especially since their attorney has probably counseled them to either not talk 
to Kaleb or to let him know if they’re approached.  Most attorneys aren’t going 
to take cases they expect to lose, especially if they don’t think the clients 
are capable of paying the bill.

I’m not an attorney nor do I practice law, but in my opinion the best way to 
deal with it at this point in the process is to lawyer up and take the gloves 
off.  Otherwise they’re going to hand Kaleb and Regina their collective asses 
in court.  The point to be making nice has long since passed.

Dan

> On Jul 21, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan wrote:
>> Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the DIY 
>> stage.
> 
> If we used this same approach to maintaining W123, we would be
> spending more at the dealer.  Where there is a will, there is a way.
> Break the chain of tough guy, eat crow, deal with renter instead of
> stealer-lawyer and you probably can see resolution - they are persons,
> not aliens.  They may want to break some of the lease restrictions,
> but they don't want to be forced out.  Approach it just like you do
> DIY - it is an insurmountable issue, but with a little ingenuity and
> humility, a solution can be attained at less cost than the
> stealer-lawyer.  Stealer-lawyer has zero incentive just like dealer.
> Stealer-lawyer does not want to stop nice payment - neither does a
> dealer.  You have money to save in eating a bit of crow - it tastes
> great with a little garlic.  Go over there, make friendly, avoid
> tough-guy upper hand, do them favor, give, let them give also.  You
> ain't got too much to lose in the OK wild west.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:26:41 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Dan wrote:
> > Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the
> > DIY stage.
> 
> If we used this same approach to maintaining W123, we would be
> spending more at the dealer. 

So I should have DIY for my neck surgery in 2013, too?

How about setting broken bones? Or filling teeth?

Mao, there is a time and place for DIY. I, for one, tend very strongly in
that direction. With the previous faux pas in Kaleb's rental situation,
however, this is neither the time nor the place.

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Actually, since the Renter has lawyer-ed up, it is a breach of legal
etiquette to talk directly with the Renter. All communications have to be
done "through the lawyer".

Sorry.. don't shoot the messenger.

Rib econ has been passed... time to go hard ball..

Mao is the "good renter" who preserves and protects his relationship with
Landlord.. Kaleb's   Renter has not.

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:26:41 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Dan wrote:
> > > Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the
> > > DIY stage.
> >
> > If we used this same approach to maintaining W123, we would be
> > spending more at the dealer.
>
>
> So I should have DIY for my neck surgery in 2013, too?
>
> How about setting broken bones? Or filling teeth?
>
> Mao, there is a time and place for DIY. I, for one, tend very strongly in
> that direction. With the previous faux pas in Kaleb's rental situation,
> however, this is neither the time nor the place.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Yep

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> On Jul 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually, since the Renter has lawyer-ed up, it is a breach of legal
> etiquette to talk directly with the Renter. All communications have to be
> done "through the lawyer".
> 
> Sorry.. don't shoot the messenger.
> 
> Rib econ has been passed... time to go hard ball..
> 
> Mao is the "good renter" who preserves and protects his relationship with
> Landlord.. Kaleb's   Renter has not.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:26:41 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Dan wrote:
 Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the
 DIY stage.
>>> 
>>> If we used this same approach to maintaining W123, we would be
>>> spending more at the dealer.
>> 
>> 
>> So I should have DIY for my neck surgery in 2013, too?
>> 
>> How about setting broken bones? Or filling teeth?
>> 
>> Mao, there is a time and place for DIY. I, for one, tend very strongly in
>> that direction. With the previous faux pas in Kaleb's rental situation,
>> however, this is neither the time nor the place.
>> 
>> 
>> Craig
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Being nice and trying to help people is what got us where we are today.

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> On Jul 21, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I would agree that you could approach them directly and make nice, but 
> knowing human nature, the line has been crossed and they‘ve fired the first 
> shot across the bow, so to speak.
> 
> It’s a significant sign of weakness, no matter what his situation is as the 
> owner/lessee in my opinion, and one that they will most likely attempt to 
> exploit if it becomes available.  They’ve already made it clear they don’t 
> want to leave, so this would just bolster their attitude that they now have 
> the upper hand.
> 
> As someone professionally trained as a negotiator, I can tell you that your 
> position as Kaleb at this point holds little weight, as they have the upper 
> hand with an attorney in play.  He pushed them, they reacted, probably 
> overreacted, but now the line has been crossed and they are most likely all 
> in, especially since their attorney has probably counseled them to either not 
> talk to Kaleb or to let him know if they’re approached.  Most attorneys 
> aren’t going to take cases they expect to lose, especially if they don’t 
> think the clients are capable of paying the bill.
> 
> I’m not an attorney nor do I practice law, but in my opinion the best way to 
> deal with it at this point in the process is to lawyer up and take the gloves 
> off.  Otherwise they’re going to hand Kaleb and Regina their collective asses 
> in court.  The point to be making nice has long since passed.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan wrote:
>>> Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the DIY 
>>> stage.
>> 
>> If we used this same approach to maintaining W123, we would be
>> spending more at the dealer.  Where there is a will, there is a way.
>> Break the chain of tough guy, eat crow, deal with renter instead of
>> stealer-lawyer and you probably can see resolution - they are persons,
>> not aliens.  They may want to break some of the lease restrictions,
>> but they don't want to be forced out.  Approach it just like you do
>> DIY - it is an insurmountable issue, but with a little ingenuity and
>> humility, a solution can be attained at less cost than the
>> stealer-lawyer.  Stealer-lawyer has zero incentive just like dealer.
>> Stealer-lawyer does not want to stop nice payment - neither does a
>> dealer.  You have money to save in eating a bit of crow - it tastes
>> great with a little garlic.  Go over there, make friendly, avoid
>> tough-guy upper hand, do them favor, give, let them give also.  You
>> ain't got too much to lose in the OK wild west.
>> mao
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

Grant wrote:
> Mao is the "good renter" who preserves and protects his relationship with
> Landlord.. Kaleb's   Renter has not.

Kaleb made the first move, inappropriately most likely (according to
Kaleb's explanation) by issuing eviction, prior to be nice.  All you
can do is lose if you talk nice and eat crow, i.e. offer a month
forgiveness (prolly less expensive than stealer-lawyer), make nice,
make friends, and then after another bit of time give notice that the
property is for sale.  A year ago this property got a sale/lease sign
put up - no formal notice... I live.  There are bad renters that think
they have more sway than they do.  Perhaps these renters are there,
but the presentation thus far from Kaleb seems to indicate that
someone in the Kaleb group got a bee in their bonnet.

As far as teeth, broken bones - how about home birth - btdt.  Teeth is
happenin'  Neck surgery - nope, not here.  No insco, no doc - both
unaffordable.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-21 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:03:09 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> My plan was to rent out house and by the time I was ready to retire it
> would be paid off and would either have the month rent coming in or
> could sell it at that time.

Great plan. Poor execution to date. The execution, however, can be
changed.


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I work with two guys who have in excess of 10 single family rental properties 
each.  One is the cheapest, skin-flintyest person I have ever known, who goes 
to great lengths to vet his potential tenants (I suspect in violation of HUD 
laws) and kicks people out the second they get out of line.  His occupancy rate 
is pretty poor, as is the quality of his tenants.

The other is a bit more laid back, but still does all the right things in 
qualifying his tenants.  He responds quickly and promptly to their concerns 
when things come up and he goes to great lengths to maintain and even improve 
his properties.  He rarely has an unoccupied property.

That being said, these are both career government employees, and despite their 
obligations at work both spend a lot of their free time dealing with the 
overhead and hassles of being landlords.

I have a friend I used to work with in the school district who has four rental 
properties.  He has a real estate license as well.  He recently married and has 
a young son.  He pays a management company 10% of the monthly rent to manage 
his properties.  All he does is collect the monies monthly when the check comes 
in from the management company.  Yes, he’s giving up 10%, but he still has the 
revenue stream and isn’t being woke up at 4:00 am to deal with a broken pipe. 
He’s not the one qualifying potential renters, either.

My immediate manager is married and has three children, all of whom are school 
age.  Wife stays at home and home schools.  They live in a very small 60s era 
ranch home with three bedrooms and one bath.  His recent promotion has given 
him the additional income to afford a larger home.  Wife suggests they should 
keep their starter home and rent it, that she could deal with it since she’s 
home all day.

My question to him was, “When the phone rings at 4:00 am and there’s a broken 
pipe, is your wife going to be the one to deal with it?”

He put a stop to that idea right away.

I guess my point is that while the idea of renting a property sounds like easy 
money, it’s not.  It’s a lot of work and effort on your part if you’re not 
willing to offload the overhead to a property manager.  If you want to become a 
slumlord, so to speak, like my fellow employees, great.  But you better have 
time on your hands and be expected to be on call 24/7.  It’s not as simple as 
just advertising, finding a tenant, and collecting the rent check.  Also, when 
that property is empty, it’s not generating any revenue.  But - you still have 
to pay the utilities and taxes on it, so you better have some reserves on hand 
for the lean months.

I speak from direct experience, as some years ago we owned two doubles and 
occupied half of one. We were lucky in that the other half of the one we lived 
in had a long time (15+ years) tenant that was probably going to die in the 
place.  The other we had to rent out, and it was a lot of work.  At the time 
the tax benefits weren’t bad, but if we hadn’t had a decent tax accountant we 
would have missed a lot of the breaks.  Another expense.

Lawyer up, get the tenants out, dust yourself off and chalk this up to 
experience, have your lawyer sort out your lease agreement and do background 
and credit checks. (And you do realize the renter can be the one to pay the 
background and credit check fees, too?  At least here in Florida they can be 
charged for it.)

Dan

> On Jul 21, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:03:09 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> My plan was to rent out house and by the time I was ready to retire it
>> would be paid off and would either have the month rent coming in or
>> could sell it at that time.
> 
> Great plan. Poor execution to date. The execution, however, can be
> changed.
> 
> 
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2016-07-21 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

"First of all, to thine own self be true."
"So, CYA whatever you do."

"Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Being nice and trying to help people is what got us where we are today.
 
> > On Jul 21, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I would agree that you could approach them directly and make nice, but 
> > knowing human nature, the line has been crossed and they‘ve fired the first 
> > shot across the bow, so to speak.
> > 
> > It’s a significant sign of weakness, no matter what his situation is as the 
> > owner/lessee in my opinion, and one that they will most likely attempt to 
> > exploit if it becomes available.  They’ve already made it clear they don’t 
> > want to leave, so this would just bolster their attitude that they now have 
> > the upper hand.
> > 
> > As someone professionally trained as a negotiator, I can tell you that your 
> > position as Kaleb at this point holds little weight, as they have the upper 
> > hand with an attorney in play.  He pushed them, they reacted, probably 
> > overreacted, but now the line has been crossed and they are most likely all 
> > in, especially since their attorney has probably counseled them to either 
> > not talk to Kaleb or to let him know if they’re approached.  Most attorneys 
> > aren’t going to take cases they expect to lose, especially if they don’t 
> > think the clients are capable of paying the bill.
> > 
> > I’m not an attorney nor do I practice law, but in my opinion the best way 
> > to deal with it at this point in the process is to lawyer up and take the 
> > gloves off.  Otherwise they’re going to hand Kaleb and Regina their 
> > collective asses in court.  The point to be making nice has long since 
> > passed.
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jul 21, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Dan wrote:
> >>> Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the DIY 
> >>> stage.
> >> 
> >> If we used this same approach to maintaining W123, we would be
> >> spending more at the dealer.  Where there is a will, there is a way.
> >> Break the chain of tough guy, eat crow, deal with renter instead of
> >> stealer-lawyer and you probably can see resolution - they are persons,
> >> not aliens.  They may want to break some of the lease restrictions,
> >> but they don't want to be forced out.  Approach it just like you do
> >> DIY - it is an insurmountable issue, but with a little ingenuity and
> >> humility, a solution can be attained at less cost than the
> >> stealer-lawyer.  Stealer-lawyer has zero incentive just like dealer.
> >> Stealer-lawyer does not want to stop nice payment - neither does a
> >> dealer.  You have money to save in eating a bit of crow - it tastes
> >> great with a little garlic.  Go over there, make friendly, avoid
> >> tough-guy upper hand, do them favor, give, let them give also.  You
> >> ain't got too much to lose in the OK wild west.
> >> mao
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Yep applicants typically pay for the background check here as well in the form 
of an application fee

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> On Jul 21, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I work with two guys who have in excess of 10 single family rental properties 
> each.  One is the cheapest, skin-flintyest person I have ever known, who goes 
> to great lengths to vet his potential tenants (I suspect in violation of HUD 
> laws) and kicks people out the second they get out of line.  His occupancy 
> rate is pretty poor, as is the quality of his tenants.
> 
> The other is a bit more laid back, but still does all the right things in 
> qualifying his tenants.  He responds quickly and promptly to their concerns 
> when things come up and he goes to great lengths to maintain and even improve 
> his properties.  He rarely has an unoccupied property.
> 
> That being said, these are both career government employees, and despite 
> their obligations at work both spend a lot of their free time dealing with 
> the overhead and hassles of being landlords.
> 
> I have a friend I used to work with in the school district who has four 
> rental properties.  He has a real estate license as well.  He recently 
> married and has a young son.  He pays a management company 10% of the monthly 
> rent to manage his properties.  All he does is collect the monies monthly 
> when the check comes in from the management company.  Yes, he’s giving up 
> 10%, but he still has the revenue stream and isn’t being woke up at 4:00 am 
> to deal with a broken pipe. He’s not the one qualifying potential renters, 
> either.
> 
> My immediate manager is married and has three children, all of whom are 
> school age.  Wife stays at home and home schools.  They live in a very small 
> 60s era ranch home with three bedrooms and one bath.  His recent promotion 
> has given him the additional income to afford a larger home.  Wife suggests 
> they should keep their starter home and rent it, that she could deal with it 
> since she’s home all day.
> 
> My question to him was, “When the phone rings at 4:00 am and there’s a broken 
> pipe, is your wife going to be the one to deal with it?”
> 
> He put a stop to that idea right away.
> 
> I guess my point is that while the idea of renting a property sounds like 
> easy money, it’s not.  It’s a lot of work and effort on your part if you’re 
> not willing to offload the overhead to a property manager.  If you want to 
> become a slumlord, so to speak, like my fellow employees, great.  But you 
> better have time on your hands and be expected to be on call 24/7.  It’s not 
> as simple as just advertising, finding a tenant, and collecting the rent 
> check.  Also, when that property is empty, it’s not generating any revenue.  
> But - you still have to pay the utilities and taxes on it, so you better have 
> some reserves on hand for the lean months.
> 
> I speak from direct experience, as some years ago we owned two doubles and 
> occupied half of one. We were lucky in that the other half of the one we 
> lived in had a long time (15+ years) tenant that was probably going to die in 
> the place.  The other we had to rent out, and it was a lot of work.  At the 
> time the tax benefits weren’t bad, but if we hadn’t had a decent tax 
> accountant we would have missed a lot of the breaks.  Another expense.
> 
> Lawyer up, get the tenants out, dust yourself off and chalk this up to 
> experience, have your lawyer sort out your lease agreement and do background 
> and credit checks. (And you do realize the renter can be the one to pay the 
> background and credit check fees, too?  At least here in Florida they can be 
> charged for it.)
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:03:09 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> My plan was to rent out house and by the time I was ready to retire it
>>> would be paid off and would either have the month rent coming in or
>>> could sell it at that time.
>> 
>> Great plan. Poor execution to date. The execution, however, can be
>> changed.
>> 
>> 
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Dan wrote:
> I guess my point is that while the idea of renting a property sounds like 
> easy money, it’s not.

I guess my position has always been that the owner is king, I better
make it easy for him.  Fridge dies? - I buy it.  Oven and stove die? -
I purchase craigslist.  Yeah, roof, or other items - that's gonna be
his, but this is a very well built 1950 stone house built by the
deceased neighbor who mined aggregate very succesfully.  Current owner
is a successful guy that spends his winters down by Marco, FL and
didn't finish 8th grade - my new hero since I learned that a month
ago.  I have zero interest in crossing lines with him and I think he
likes that has issued very few rent increase.  I had one owner 30
years ago that was like your guys at work - prick me until I want out
so we weren't there a year and paid the lease out and got to the
moose-pasture east of Shriver AFB / CSPGS and the best place we ever
lived and we have lived in nice places all along - we have been
blessed.
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

What about my heart surgery, I was awake for the whole thing after all...
-Curt

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On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:26:41 -0500 Mountain Man via Mercedes
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> Dan wrote:
> > Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the
> > DIY stage.
> 
> If we used this same approach to maintaining W123, we would be
> spending more at the dealer. 


So I should have DIY for my neck surgery in 2013, too?

How about setting broken bones? Or filling teeth?

Mao, there is a time and place for DIY. I, for one, tend very strongly in
that direction. With the previous faux pas in Kaleb's rental situation,
however, this is neither the time nor the place.


Craig

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In my opinion (maybe worth what he is paying for it!) is that Kleb should:

1. go talk to a lawyer about what to do next;
2. get the tenants out as soon as he can;
3. list the place and sell it rather than rent it out.

For most people, being a landlord is a bad idea.

RB

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On 21/07/2016 5:26 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Dan wrote:

Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the DIY stage.

If we used this same approach to maintaining W123, we would be
spending more at the dealer.  Where there is a will, there is a way.
Break the chain of tough guy, eat crow, deal with renter instead of
stealer-lawyer and you probably can see resolution - they are persons,
not aliens.  They may want to break some of the lease restrictions,
but they don't want to be forced out.  Approach it just like you do
DIY - it is an insurmountable issue, but with a little ingenuity and
humility, a solution can be attained at less cost than the
stealer-lawyer.  Stealer-lawyer has zero incentive just like dealer.
Stealer-lawyer does not want to stop nice payment - neither does a
dealer.  You have money to save in eating a bit of crow - it tastes
great with a little garlic.  Go over there, make friendly, avoid
tough-guy upper hand, do them favor, give, let them give also.  You
ain't got too much to lose in the OK wild west.
mao

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Unfortunately, you assume that the tenant will be reasonable. Some 
people just are not reasonable and no matter what you offer they want more.
These folks have become to think this is their house and resent having 
to pay rent.

They are losers and he needs to be rid of them.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

That is exactly right, these people do seem to think that they own the house, 
that is how they act anyway.

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> On Jul 22, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 21/07/2016 5:26 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:
>> Dan wrote:
>>> Since his lessees have retained legal representation, it’s beyond the DIY 
>>> stage.
>> If we used this same approach to maintaining W123, we would be
>> spending more at the dealer.  Where there is a will, there is a way.
>> Break the chain of tough guy, eat crow, deal with renter instead of
>> stealer-lawyer and you probably can see resolution - they are persons,
>> not aliens.  They may want to break some of the lease restrictions,
>> but they don't want to be forced out.  Approach it just like you do
>> DIY - it is an insurmountable issue, but with a little ingenuity and
>> humility, a solution can be attained at less cost than the
>> stealer-lawyer.  Stealer-lawyer has zero incentive just like dealer.
>> Stealer-lawyer does not want to stop nice payment - neither does a
>> dealer.  You have money to save in eating a bit of crow - it tastes
>> great with a little garlic.  Go over there, make friendly, avoid
>> tough-guy upper hand, do them favor, give, let them give also.  You
>> ain't got too much to lose in the OK wild west.
>> mao
>> 
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> 
> Unfortunately, you assume that the tenant will be reasonable. Some people 
> just are not reasonable and no matter what you offer they want more.
> These folks have become to think this is their house and resent having to pay 
> rent.
> They are losers and he needs to be rid of them.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-22 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes


Good judgment comes from experience

Experience comes from bad judgment

--JC


On 7/21/16 8:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Lawyer up, get the tenants out, dust yourself off and chalk this up to 
experience, have your lawyer sort...


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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-22 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Amen!
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'95 E300

On July 22, 2016 1:09:10 PM EDT, Joel Cairo via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Good judgment comes from experience
>
>Experience comes from bad judgment
>
>--JC
>
>
>On 7/21/16 8:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Lawyer up, get the tenants out, dust yourself off and chalk this up
>to experience, have your lawyer sort...
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-22 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

RB wrote:
> Unfortunately, you assume that the tenant will be reasonable.

Yes, some people are unreasonable, but most people are reasonable.  I
assume Kaleb is reasonable and along with having DIY ingenuity and
desire, I assume Kaleb can cozy up to these people and make a deal.
Law is an extreme.  People are normal.  Very few people are not
normal.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-22 Thread Joel Cairo via Mercedes


I take exception to that argument!

--JC


On 7/22/16 3:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Very few people are not
normal.
mao


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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

No kidding.  The list member Formally Known as Rich Thomas is a name
shifter.

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> I take exception to that argument!
>
> --JC
>
>
> On 7/22/16 3:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Very few people are not
>> normal.
>> mao
>>
>
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On 22/07/2016 2:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

RB wrote:

Unfortunately, you assume that the tenant will be reasonable.

Yes, some people are unreasonable, but most people are reasonable.  I
assume Kaleb is reasonable and along with having DIY ingenuity and
desire, I assume Kaleb can cozy up to these people and make a deal.
Law is an extreme.  People are normal.  Very few people are not
normal.
mao

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Ok, what have you done with the real mao?

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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-22 Thread WILTON via Mercedes


'Sounds shifty to me.

Wilton

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No kidding.  The list member Formally Known as Rich Thomas is a name
shifter.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I take exception to that argument!

--JC


On 7/22/16 3:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:


Very few people are not
normal.
mao



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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-22 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


I agree

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On 7/22/16 4:36 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

'Sounds shifty to me.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" 


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No kidding.  The list member Formally Known as Rich Thomas is a name
shifter.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 4:02 PM, Joel Cairo via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I take exception to that argument!

--JC


On 7/22/16 3:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:


Very few people are not
normal.
mao



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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

2016-07-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

No kidding.  The list member Formally Known as Rich Thomas is a name
shifter.


IIRC, he changed names every time the listserv's spam filter started rejecting 
him.

Mitch

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