subject:"Re\: \[MBZ\] Today's W123 Fun"

I had a set on my 1970 280S, and they were really lousy as far as function was 
concerned. They did look nice, however.

Dan

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> On Nov 17, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'd like a set of W108 euro lights and fogs for my euro 250S...
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anybody need US version W108 headlight buckets and lamps?
>> 
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> That link reminds me of something from the late 1980s.
>>> I bought a pair of H4 55/100 bulbs from JC Whitney for my 6x8 Hellas.
>>> (I'd run 100 high beams in the 7" and 6x8" even if they weren't rated for
>>> it,
>>> figured a lamp that size had to be able to handle the heat if the small
>>> ones
>>> could handle 60 or 65W.)
>>> 
>>> They came in plain white boxes with Candlepower stamped on them.
>>> The bulbs themselves were marked Osram. Wow, wasn't expecting Osram for
>> JC
>>> Whitney prices. Ordered some more a few months later and got no-name
>> junk.
>>> Such is life when buying from the JCW catalog.
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
>>> 
 On November 17, 2016 at 12:32 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
 
 Cibies are better than Hellas.  But both are significantly better than
 sealed beams, so its up to you if you want to spend the extra $$.
 
 If it were me, I'd put Cibies and these bulbs:
 http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Get the US ones. Trump is our new president so nix the Eurocentric look.

On Nov 17, 2016 3:04 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'd like a set of W108 euro lights and fogs for my euro 250S...
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Anybody need US version W108 headlight buckets and lamps?
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > That link reminds me of something from the late 1980s.
> > > I bought a pair of H4 55/100 bulbs from JC Whitney for my 6x8 Hellas.
> > > (I'd run 100 high beams in the 7" and 6x8" even if they weren't rated
> for
> > > it,
> > > figured a lamp that size had to be able to handle the heat if the small
> > > ones
> > > could handle 60 or 65W.)
> > >
> > > They came in plain white boxes with Candlepower stamped on them.
> > > The bulbs themselves were marked Osram. Wow, wasn't expecting Osram for
> > JC
> > > Whitney prices. Ordered some more a few months later and got no-name
> > junk.
> > > Such is life when buying from the JCW catalog.
> > >
> > > Mitch.
> > >
> > >
> > > > On November 17, 2016 at 12:32 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cibies are better than Hellas.  But both are significantly better
> than
> > > > sealed beams, so its up to you if you want to spend the extra $$.
> > > >
> > > > If it were me, I'd put Cibies and these bulbs:
> > > > http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes

I'd like a set of W108 euro lights and fogs for my euro 250S...

Jaime


On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anybody need US version W108 headlight buckets and lamps?
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > That link reminds me of something from the late 1980s.
> > I bought a pair of H4 55/100 bulbs from JC Whitney for my 6x8 Hellas.
> > (I'd run 100 high beams in the 7" and 6x8" even if they weren't rated for
> > it,
> > figured a lamp that size had to be able to handle the heat if the small
> > ones
> > could handle 60 or 65W.)
> >
> > They came in plain white boxes with Candlepower stamped on them.
> > The bulbs themselves were marked Osram. Wow, wasn't expecting Osram for
> JC
> > Whitney prices. Ordered some more a few months later and got no-name
> junk.
> > Such is life when buying from the JCW catalog.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> >
> > > On November 17, 2016 at 12:32 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Cibies are better than Hellas.  But both are significantly better than
> > > sealed beams, so its up to you if you want to spend the extra $$.
> > >
> > > If it were me, I'd put Cibies and these bulbs:
> > > http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

I looked at the JC Whitney catalog the other day, a sad shell of its former 
self...
-Curt

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That link reminds me of something from the late 1980s. 
I bought a pair of H4 55/100 bulbs from JC Whitney for my 6x8 Hellas.
(I'd run 100 high beams in the 7" and 6x8" even if they weren't rated for it,
figured a lamp that size had to be able to handle the heat if the small ones
could handle 60 or 65W.) 

They came in plain white boxes with Candlepower stamped on them.
The bulbs themselves were marked Osram. Wow, wasn't expecting Osram for JC
Whitney prices. Ordered some more a few months later and got no-name junk. 
Such is life when buying from the JCW catalog. 

Mitch. 

> On November 17, 2016 at 12:32 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Cibies are better than Hellas.  But both are significantly better than
> sealed beams, so its up to you if you want to spend the extra $$.
> 
> If it were me, I'd put Cibies and these bulbs:
> http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html

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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

Yes, it's an affliction, for sure. I suffered from this earlier in life, it 
went into remission, and now I have it full on.

Kleb's such a good guy for offering. Unfortunately, that price does not include 
a title.

And it shakes when starts, too.

Dan going retro diesel

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> On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:45 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan sez:
> 
>> ‎I've got to weigh what I do to this car >based on what I'm going to do with 
>> it.
> 
> Welcome to MB dieseling‎ disease. It's a struggle not to try to own every 
> nice, or easily restored 123, 124, 126 diesel out there. I am currently 
> battling the urge to purchase this. 
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/252636677277?redirect=mobile
> 
> I'm sure Kaleb will give you $500 for yours.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Dan sez:

>‎I've got to weigh what I do to this car >based on what I'm going to do with 
>it.

Welcome to MB dieseling‎ disease. It's a struggle not to try to own every nice, 
or easily restored 123, 124, 126 diesel out there. I am currently battling the 
urge to purchase this. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/252636677277?redirect=mobile

I'm sure Kaleb will give you $500 for yours.

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Anybody need US version W108 headlight buckets and lamps?

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That link reminds me of something from the late 1980s.
> I bought a pair of H4 55/100 bulbs from JC Whitney for my 6x8 Hellas.
> (I'd run 100 high beams in the 7" and 6x8" even if they weren't rated for
> it,
> figured a lamp that size had to be able to handle the heat if the small
> ones
> could handle 60 or 65W.)
>
> They came in plain white boxes with Candlepower stamped on them.
> The bulbs themselves were marked Osram. Wow, wasn't expecting Osram for JC
> Whitney prices. Ordered some more a few months later and got no-name junk.
> Such is life when buying from the JCW catalog.
>
> Mitch.
>
>
> > On November 17, 2016 at 12:32 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Cibies are better than Hellas.  But both are significantly better than
> > sealed beams, so its up to you if you want to spend the extra $$.
> >
> > If it were me, I'd put Cibies and these bulbs:
> > http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

That link reminds me of something from the late 1980s. 
I bought a pair of H4 55/100 bulbs from JC Whitney for my 6x8 Hellas.
(I'd run 100 high beams in the 7" and 6x8" even if they weren't rated for it,
figured a lamp that size had to be able to handle the heat if the small ones
could handle 60 or 65W.) 

They came in plain white boxes with Candlepower stamped on them.
The bulbs themselves were marked Osram. Wow, wasn't expecting Osram for JC
Whitney prices. Ordered some more a few months later and got no-name junk. 
Such is life when buying from the JCW catalog. 

Mitch. 

> On November 17, 2016 at 12:32 PM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Cibies are better than Hellas.  But both are significantly better than
> sealed beams, so its up to you if you want to spend the extra $$.
> 
> If it were me, I'd put Cibies and these bulbs:
> http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html

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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

Very nice. Thanks for that reference.

I've got to weigh what I do to this car based on what I'm going to do with it.  
I don't want to sink a bunch of money into it at this point.  I'm pretty well 
resigned that it's far too nice to sell to my oldest son, as he'll literally 
trash it.  That would really bum me out big time.

It's nice enough that I would like to keep it, but the cost of doing so is 
mildly painful with Florida insurance being what it is.

The only mitigating factor is the potential moving on of my youngest, who 
graduates from college next month. Once he's paying his own way I could 
potentially keep it and be ahead of the game somewhat once his car is off my 
policy.

Hmmm



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> On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:32 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cibies are better than Hellas.  But both are significantly better than
> sealed beams, so its up to you if you want to spend the extra $$.
> 
> If it were me, I'd put Cibies and these bulbs:
> http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html
> 
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Jaime! I looked at a set on Stern's web site the other day and
>> they were lots more. I haven't really done anything since then. Cosmetics
>> are low on the list right now, I want to get all the mechanicals sorted
>> first.
>> 
>> Mitch, are the Hellas functionally the same? The Cibies do not come with
>> lamps, but quality lamps are cheap. Just like you to come up with a cheaper
>> alternative. Thank you!
>> 
>> I've got everything necessary for relay upgrades, too. I was thinking
>> about doing it on the W126, but the Euro headlights do such a great job I
>> don't really feel the need to do relays on it so maybe I'll do them on the
>> W123. And it's got the nice relay box on the inner fender that makes for a
>> really clean installation, too.
>> 
>> On a sort of related note, I was able to determine that the rockers are
>> painted DB-129, which is a dark gray color. Again, this is low on the list,
>> but is a cheap and easy thing that will really enhance the visuals of the
>> car.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used to buy Hellas in the 1980s, they were about $20 each when the
>> Cibies were
>>> $25. Now they're $30 with bulb and free shipping.
>>> E-Code lamps were far better than DOT, I bought Marchal once for a Saab
>> 900 when
>>> they were $5 cheaper than 6x8 Hella and didn't notice any difference.
>>> Do Cibies still come with 55/60W bulbs?
>>> 
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
 On November 17, 2016 at 8:37 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
  wrote:
 
 
 Hi Dan,
 
 7" Cibies are available from Amazon:
 https://www.amazon.com/Cibie-082440-82440-Light-Unit/dp/
>> B008DQV88Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1479389808=8-1=cibie+082440
 
 The price has gone up a bit, but its cheaper than other sources.
 
 Jaime
 
 
 On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 wrote:
 
> Jon,
> 
> Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I
>> might
> ask?
> 
> Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?
> 
> Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but
>> I've
> used both.  After a first dose of one bottle you only need an ounce per
> tank fill. It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't expensive,
> around $10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of fuel, about a
>> buck
> a tank.  I can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for that, which is
>> cheaper
> than buying a case online.
> 
> I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.
> 
> Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on
>> the
> later stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and
>> there's
> no dealing with electronics, it's all analog.  I am really enjoying
>> working
> on my W123 and W126, almost daily looking for reasons to tinker rather
>> than
> avoid like with the W140s...
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
>> 
>> Bravo!  I love days like that!
>> 
>> There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123
>> and
> W108.  Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri
>> worked
> some of his welding magic on my right rear quarter panel.  I had the
>> whole
> car sprayed in a very nice “driver” job (against Dimitri’s wishes) in
>> the
> original color “Desert Red.”  It looks fantastic.  The car had 2 colors
> before due to a incident with a motorcycle 25 years ago on that right
>> rear
> quarter, and the original paint was so thin you could see

Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes

Cibies are better than Hellas.  But both are significantly better than
sealed beams, so its up to you if you want to spend the extra $$.

If it were me, I'd put Cibies and these bulbs:
http://store.candlepower.com/64205.html


Jaime


On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Thanks, Jaime! I looked at a set on Stern's web site the other day and
> they were lots more. I haven't really done anything since then. Cosmetics
> are low on the list right now, I want to get all the mechanicals sorted
> first.
>
> Mitch, are the Hellas functionally the same? The Cibies do not come with
> lamps, but quality lamps are cheap. Just like you to come up with a cheaper
> alternative. Thank you!
>
> I've got everything necessary for relay upgrades, too. I was thinking
> about doing it on the W126, but the Euro headlights do such a great job I
> don't really feel the need to do relays on it so maybe I'll do them on the
> W123. And it's got the nice relay box on the inner fender that makes for a
> really clean installation, too.
>
> On a sort of related note, I was able to determine that the rockers are
> painted DB-129, which is a dark gray color. Again, this is low on the list,
> but is a cheap and easy thing that will really enhance the visuals of the
> car.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Nov 17, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I used to buy Hellas in the 1980s, they were about $20 each when the
> Cibies were
> > $25. Now they're $30 with bulb and free shipping.
> > E-Code lamps were far better than DOT, I bought Marchal once for a Saab
> 900 when
> > they were $5 cheaper than 6x8 Hella and didn't notice any difference.
> > Do Cibies still come with 55/60W bulbs?
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> >> On November 17, 2016 at 8:37 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Dan,
> >>
> >> 7" Cibies are available from Amazon:
> >> https://www.amazon.com/Cibie-082440-82440-Light-Unit/dp/
> B008DQV88Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1479389808=8-1=cibie+082440
> >>
> >> The price has gone up a bit, but its cheaper than other sources.
> >>
> >> Jaime
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Jon,
> >>>
> >>> Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I
> might
> >>> ask?
> >>>
> >>> Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?
> >>>
> >>> Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but
> I've
> >>> used both.  After a first dose of one bottle you only need an ounce per
> >>> tank fill. It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't expensive,
> >>> around $10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of fuel, about a
> buck
> >>> a tank.  I can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for that, which is
> cheaper
> >>> than buying a case online.
> >>>
> >>> I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.
> >>>
> >>> Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on
> the
> >>> later stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and
> there's
> >>> no dealing with electronics, it's all analog.  I am really enjoying
> working
> >>> on my W123 and W126, almost daily looking for reasons to tinker rather
> than
> >>> avoid like with the W140s...
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
>  On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> 
>  Bravo!  I love days like that!
> 
>  There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123
> and
> >>> W108.  Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri
> worked
> >>> some of his welding magic on my right rear quarter panel.  I had the
> whole
> >>> car sprayed in a very nice “driver” job (against Dimitri’s wishes) in
> the
> >>> original color “Desert Red.”  It looks fantastic.  The car had 2 colors
> >>> before due to a incident with a motorcycle 25 years ago on that right
> rear
> >>> quarter, and the original paint was so thin you could see primer in
> places.
> 
>  I’ve just installed new Cibie headlamps (kept the original wattage on
> >>> the bulbs) and I cannot believe the difference.  Today, I’ll replace
> the
> >>> left fog light (corroded reflector) with one I purchased on eBay.  The
> >>> windshield guy is also coming today to replace the original and the
> trunk
> >>> seal.  Yes, I have the MB seals….I learned that lesson a long time ago.
> >>> Thank you, Jaime.
> 
>  Later this week I’ll get the car fluid filmed (in all the right
> >>> places).  I used to do this, but my friend has a gun and shoots out of
> a
> >>> 5-gallon can with the car on a lift.  Painless!!!
> 
>  Diesel Purge is great stuff.  I always fill the new fuel filter with
> it
> >>> because I never think to get diesel in advance of working on the car.
> 
>  It’s been warm so far this year, but cold is just around the corner.
> I
> >>> am

Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes

The Bosch 7” lamps are garbage compared to Hella and Cibie.  That’s what I took 
off for the Cibie’s.  I’m convinced a regular sealed beam would outperform the 
Bosch.

Jon


> On Nov 17, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hella big round headlights (110,114/5, 123) are GREAT.  I started using them 
> in about 1974.  Even one per vehicle helps a lot.  The advantage of the 
> second is negligible.  On many cars and vans, I put one on the right to save 
> money.  With normal wattage, no relay needed.   I'd not put a frog light on 
> my MB.  Boach or Hella for me!
> 
>> Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> November 17, 2016 at 8:34 AM
>> Thanks, Jaime! I looked at a set on Stern's web site the other day and they 
>> were lots more. I haven't really done anything since then. Cosmetics are low 
>> on the list right now, I want to get all the mechanicals sorted first.
>> 
>> Mitch, are the Hellas functionally the same? The Cibies do not come with 
>> lamps, but quality lamps are cheap. Just like you to come up with a cheaper 
>> alternative. Thank you!
>> 
>> I've got everything necessary for relay upgrades, too. I was thinking about 
>> doing it on the W126, but the Euro headlights do such a great job I don't 
>> really feel the need to do relays on it so maybe I'll do them on the W123. 
>> And it's got the nice relay box on the inner fender that makes for a really 
>> clean installation, too.
>> 
>> On a sort of related note, I was able to determine that the rockers are 
>> painted DB-129, which is a dark gray color. Again, this is low on the list, 
>> but is a cheap and easy thing that will really enhance the visuals of the 
>> car.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> November 17, 2016 at 8:11 AM
>> I used to buy Hellas in the 1980s, they were about $20 each when the Cibies 
>> were
>> $25. Now they're $30 with bulb and free shipping.
>> E-Code lamps were far better than DOT, I bought Marchal once for a Saab 900 
>> when
>> they were $5 cheaper than 6x8 Hella and didn't notice any difference.
>> Do Cibies still come with 55/60W bulbs?
>> 
>> Mitch.
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>> Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>> November 17, 2016 at 7:37 AM
>> Hi Dan,
>> 
>> 7" Cibies are available from Amazon:
>> https://www.amazon.com/Cibie-082440-82440-Light-Unit/dp/B008DQV88Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1479389808=8-1=cibie+082440
>> 
>> The price has gone up a bit, but its cheaper than other sources.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> November 16, 2016 at 8:49 AM
>> Jon,
>> 
>> Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I might 
>> ask?
>> 
>> Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?
>> 
>> Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but I've 
>> used both. After a first dose of one bottle you only need an ounce per tank 
>> fill. It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't expensive, around 
>> $10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of fuel, about a buck a tank. 
>> I can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for that, which is cheaper than buying 
>> a case online.
>> 
>> I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.
>> 
>> Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on the 
>> later stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and there's 
>> no dealing with electronics, it's all analog. I am really enjoying working 
>> on my W123 and W126, almost daily looking for reasons to tinker rather than 
>> avoid like with the W140s...
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> Jon Agne via Mercedes 
>> November 16, 2016 at 7:23 AM
>> Bravo! I love days like that!
>> 
>> There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123 and 
>> W108. Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri worked 
>> some of his welding magic on my right rear quarter panel. I had the whole 
>> car sprayed in a very nice “driver” job (against Dimitri’s

Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

Once I get the car all set up and spiffy I need to do a road trip and see you 
and Gerry, since you're relatively close to each other.

Dan

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> On Nov 17, 2016, at 10:39 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I'd like to see the difference between my 300TD and your car. I guess mine 
> has a few more miles on it and may possibly be a bit heavier but still. I 
> need to get down there some time so you can try driving it.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
>> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:31:18 -0500
>> From: "d...@penoff.com" 
>> Nothing to report from yesterday in the way of work.
>> My house painter called at 8:00 am and said his crew was on their way (we 
>> hadn't scheduled a start date yet) so when I got home I had to spend my time 
>> removing all the exterior fixtures as I had promised to do before they 
>> started.
>> After that I had an HOA meeting to attend, so I drove the 300D to the 
>> library for the meeting.
>> I'm simply amazed at the performance of this car. I'm not sure whether it's 
>> due to the relatively low miles, the way it's set up or what, but this thing 
>> gets up on its hind legs and GOES!  It does upshift quickly, so there may be 
>> a need for adjustment to the modulator.  It doesn't hold vacuum for long 
>> after being shut down, so maybe that's causing the early upshifts. I'll 
>> investigate the vacuum system this weekend if time permits.
>> That being said, it's definitely noisier than my later models. Not rattlely, 
>> just noisy.  Still fun to drive and spacious considering the difference in 
>> size compared to the W126. Almost 100 miles on the clock since I got it and 
>> it's not even down a 1/4 tank yet!
>> Dan
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread MG via Mercedes

I'd like to see the difference between my 300TD and your car. I 
guess mine has a few more miles on it and may possibly be a bit 
heavier but still. I need to get down there some time so you can 
try driving it.


Manfred



Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 08:31:18 -0500
From: "d...@penoff.com" 

Nothing to report from yesterday in the way of work.

My house painter called at 8:00 am and said his crew was on their way (we 
hadn't scheduled a start date yet) so when I got home I had to spend my time 
removing all the exterior fixtures as I had promised to do before they started.

After that I had an HOA meeting to attend, so I drove the 300D to the library 
for the meeting.

I'm simply amazed at the performance of this car. I'm not sure whether it's due 
to the relatively low miles, the way it's set up or what, but this thing gets 
up on its hind legs and GOES!  It does upshift quickly, so there may be a need 
for adjustment to the modulator.  It doesn't hold vacuum for long after being 
shut down, so maybe that's causing the early upshifts. I'll investigate the 
vacuum system this weekend if time permits.

That being said, it's definitely noisier than my later models. Not rattlely, 
just noisy.  Still fun to drive and spacious considering the difference in size 
compared to the W126. Almost 100 miles on the clock since I got it and it's not 
even down a 1/4 tank yet!

Dan




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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes

Hella big round headlights (110,114/5, 123) are GREAT. I started using
them in about 1974. Even one per vehicle helps a lot. The advantage of
the second is negligible. On many cars and vans, I put one on the right
to save money. With normal wattage, no relay needed. I'd not put a
frog light on my MB. Boach or Hella for me!

Dan--- via Mercedes
November 17, 2016 at 8:34 AM
Thanks, Jaime! I looked at a set on Stern's web site the other day and
they were lots more. I haven't really done anything since then.
Cosmetics are low on the list right now, I want to get all the
mechanicals sorted first.

Mitch, are the Hellas functionally the same? The Cibies do not come
with lamps, but quality lamps are cheap. Just like you to come up with
a cheaper alternative. Thank you!

I've got everything necessary for relay upgrades, too. I was thinking
about doing it on the W126, but the Euro headlights do such a great
job I don't really feel the need to do relays on it so maybe I'll do
them on the W123. And it's got the nice relay box on the inner fender
that makes for a really clean installation, too.

On a sort of related note, I was able to determine that the rockers
are painted DB-129, which is a dark gray color. Again, this is low on
the list, but is a cheap and easy thing that will really enhance the
visuals of the car.

Dan

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Mitch Haley via Mercedes
November 17, 2016 at 8:11 AM
I used to buy Hellas in the 1980s, they were about $20 each when the
Cibies were

$25. Now they're $30 with bulb and free shipping.
E-Code lamps were far better than DOT, I bought Marchal once for a
Saab 900 when

they were $5 cheaper than 6x8 Hella and didn't notice any difference.
Do Cibies still come with 55/60W bulbs?

Mitch.

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Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
November 17, 2016 at 7:37 AM
Hi Dan,

7" Cibies are available from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Cibie-082440-82440-Light-Unit/dp/B008DQV88Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1479389808=8-1=cibie+082440

The price has gone up a bit, but its cheaper than other sources.

Jaime

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes

Dan--- via Mercedes
November 16, 2016 at 8:49 AM
Jon,

Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I
might ask?

Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?

Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but
I've used both. After a first dose of one bottle you only need an
ounce per tank fill. It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't
expensive, around $10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of
fuel, about a buck a tank. I can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for
that, which is cheaper than buying a case online.

I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.

Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on
the later stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and
there's no dealing with electronics, it's all analog. I am really
enjoying working on my W123 and W126, almost daily looking for reasons
to tinker rather than avoid like with the W140s...

Dan

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Jon Agne via Mercedes
November 16, 2016 at 7:23 AM
Bravo! I love days like that!

There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123
and W108. Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri
worked some of his welding magic on my right rear quarter panel. I had
the whole car sprayed in a very nice “driver” job (against Dimitri’s
wishes) in the original color “Desert Red.” It looks fantastic. The
car had 2 colors before due to a incident with a motorcycle 25 years
ago on that right rear quarter, and the original paint was so thin you
could see primer in places.

I’ve just installed new Cibie headlamps (kept the original wattage on
the bulbs) and I cannot believe the difference. Today, I’ll replace
the left fog light (corroded reflector) with one I purchased on eBay.
The windshield guy is also coming today to replace the original and
the trunk seal. Yes, I have the MB seals….I learned that lesson a long
time ago. Thank you,

Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

Thanks, Jaime! I looked at a set on Stern's web site the other day and they 
were lots more. I haven't really done anything since then. Cosmetics are low on 
the list right now, I want to get all the mechanicals sorted first.

Mitch, are the Hellas functionally the same? The Cibies do not come with lamps, 
but quality lamps are cheap. Just like you to come up with a cheaper 
alternative. Thank you!

I've got everything necessary for relay upgrades, too. I was thinking about 
doing it on the W126, but the Euro headlights do such a great job I don't 
really feel the need to do relays on it so maybe I'll do them on the W123. And 
it's got the nice relay box on the inner fender that makes for a really clean 
installation, too.

On a sort of related note, I was able to determine that the rockers are painted 
DB-129, which is a dark gray color. Again, this is low on the list, but is a 
cheap and easy thing that will really enhance the visuals of the car.

Dan

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> On Nov 17, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I used to buy Hellas in the 1980s, they were about $20 each when the Cibies 
> were
> $25. Now they're $30 with bulb and free shipping. 
> E-Code lamps were far better than DOT, I bought Marchal once for a Saab 900 
> when
> they were $5 cheaper than 6x8 Hella and didn't notice any difference. 
> Do Cibies still come with 55/60W bulbs?
> 
> Mitch.
> 
>> On November 17, 2016 at 8:37 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Dan,
>> 
>> 7" Cibies are available from Amazon:
>> https://www.amazon.com/Cibie-082440-82440-Light-Unit/dp/B008DQV88Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1479389808=8-1=cibie+082440
>> 
>> The price has gone up a bit, but its cheaper than other sources.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Jon,
>>> 
>>> Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I might
>>> ask?
>>> 
>>> Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?
>>> 
>>> Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but I've
>>> used both.  After a first dose of one bottle you only need an ounce per
>>> tank fill. It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't expensive,
>>> around $10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of fuel, about a buck
>>> a tank.  I can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for that, which is cheaper
>>> than buying a case online.
>>> 
>>> I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.
>>> 
>>> Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on the
>>> later stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and there's
>>> no dealing with electronics, it's all analog.  I am really enjoying working
>>> on my W123 and W126, almost daily looking for reasons to tinker rather than
>>> avoid like with the W140s...
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
 
 Bravo!  I love days like that!
 
 There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123 and
>>> W108.  Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri worked
>>> some of his welding magic on my right rear quarter panel.  I had the whole
>>> car sprayed in a very nice “driver” job (against Dimitri’s wishes) in the
>>> original color “Desert Red.”  It looks fantastic.  The car had 2 colors
>>> before due to a incident with a motorcycle 25 years ago on that right rear
>>> quarter, and the original paint was so thin you could see primer in places.
 
 I’ve just installed new Cibie headlamps (kept the original wattage on
>>> the bulbs) and I cannot believe the difference.  Today, I’ll replace the
>>> left fog light (corroded reflector) with one I purchased on eBay.  The
>>> windshield guy is also coming today to replace the original and the trunk
>>> seal.  Yes, I have the MB seals….I learned that lesson a long time ago.
>>> Thank you, Jaime.
 
 Later this week I’ll get the car fluid filmed (in all the right
>>> places).  I used to do this, but my friend has a gun and shoots out of a
>>> 5-gallon can with the car on a lift.  Painless!!!
 
 Diesel Purge is great stuff.  I always fill the new fuel filter with it
>>> because I never think to get diesel in advance of working on the car.
 
 It’s been warm so far this year, but cold is just around the corner.  I
>>> am going to prep small bottles of Howes Diesel Conditioner for winter use.
>>> Thinking of switching to Stanadyne after this bottle is exhausted
 
 Happy Wrenching!
 
 Jon
 
 
> On Nov 15, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Got home from work, took care of some domestic stuff, starting the oil
>>> sucker before I began.
> 
> Changed oil (Delo 400 LE 15W40) and installed a Mann oil filter.  There
>>> was a spare Mann filter with the

Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

I used to buy Hellas in the 1980s, they were about $20 each when the Cibies were
$25. Now they're $30 with bulb and free shipping. 
E-Code lamps were far better than DOT, I bought Marchal once for a Saab 900 when
they were $5 cheaper than 6x8 Hella and didn't notice any difference. 
Do Cibies still come with 55/60W bulbs?

Mitch.

> On November 17, 2016 at 8:37 AM Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Dan,
> 
> 7" Cibies are available from Amazon:
> https://www.amazon.com/Cibie-082440-82440-Light-Unit/dp/B008DQV88Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1479389808=8-1=cibie+082440
> 
> The price has gone up a bit, but its cheaper than other sources.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> > Jon,
> >
> > Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I might
> > ask?
> >
> > Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?
> >
> > Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but I've
> > used both.  After a first dose of one bottle you only need an ounce per
> > tank fill. It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't expensive,
> > around $10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of fuel, about a buck
> > a tank.  I can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for that, which is cheaper
> > than buying a case online.
> >
> > I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.
> >
> > Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on the
> > later stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and there's
> > no dealing with electronics, it's all analog.  I am really enjoying working
> > on my W123 and W126, almost daily looking for reasons to tinker rather than
> > avoid like with the W140s...
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> > >
> > > Bravo!  I love days like that!
> > >
> > > There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123 and
> > W108.  Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri worked
> > some of his welding magic on my right rear quarter panel.  I had the whole
> > car sprayed in a very nice “driver” job (against Dimitri’s wishes) in the
> > original color “Desert Red.”  It looks fantastic.  The car had 2 colors
> > before due to a incident with a motorcycle 25 years ago on that right rear
> > quarter, and the original paint was so thin you could see primer in places.
> > >
> > > I’ve just installed new Cibie headlamps (kept the original wattage on
> > the bulbs) and I cannot believe the difference.  Today, I’ll replace the
> > left fog light (corroded reflector) with one I purchased on eBay.  The
> > windshield guy is also coming today to replace the original and the trunk
> > seal.  Yes, I have the MB seals….I learned that lesson a long time ago.
> > Thank you, Jaime.
> > >
> > > Later this week I’ll get the car fluid filmed (in all the right
> > places).  I used to do this, but my friend has a gun and shoots out of a
> > 5-gallon can with the car on a lift.  Painless!!!
> > >
> > > Diesel Purge is great stuff.  I always fill the new fuel filter with it
> > because I never think to get diesel in advance of working on the car.
> > >
> > > It’s been warm so far this year, but cold is just around the corner.  I
> > am going to prep small bottles of Howes Diesel Conditioner for winter use.
> > Thinking of switching to Stanadyne after this bottle is exhausted
> > >
> > > Happy Wrenching!
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Nov 15, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Got home from work, took care of some domestic stuff, starting the oil
> > sucker before I began.
> > >>
> > >> Changed oil (Delo 400 LE 15W40) and installed a Mann oil filter.  There
> > was a spare Mann filter with the car, but when I took it out of the box and
> > inspected it the bottom rolled edge of the metal part was rusted or
> > corroded.  No way I was putting that into the engine, so my shelf spare
> > went in.  Always good to have a spare!
> > >>
> > >> Removed the air cleaner and found one of the buffers broken.  The metal
> > cups/heat shields were all still there, which was nice to see.  I used one
> > of my $6.00 M119 air cleaner buffers (MB part #1039880111, $6.00 list) that
> > I suspected were the same and it was.  It’s possible they’re slight
> > slightly taller than the W123 part, but that would be the only difference.
> > Someone had already trimmed the inlet elbow edge off, so the sealing ring
> > came out easy and was still nice and pliable, so no need to replace it.
> > >>
> > >> With the air cleaner out, I pulled the banjo bolt on the back of the
> > intake out and cleaned it.  It was pretty clear with just a little bit of
> > crud in it. This car will stand up on it’s hind legs without hardly any
> > effort so I’m sure the line isn’t plugged, but I’ll check it this weekend
> > when I have more

Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-17 Thread Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes

Hi Dan,

7" Cibies are available from Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Cibie-082440-82440-Light-Unit/dp/B008DQV88Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1479389808=8-1=cibie+082440

The price has gone up a bit, but its cheaper than other sources.

Jaime


On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:49 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Jon,
>
> Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I might
> ask?
>
> Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?
>
> Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but I've
> used both.  After a first dose of one bottle you only need an ounce per
> tank fill. It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't expensive,
> around $10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of fuel, about a buck
> a tank.  I can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for that, which is cheaper
> than buying a case online.
>
> I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.
>
> Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on the
> later stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and there's
> no dealing with electronics, it's all analog.  I am really enjoying working
> on my W123 and W126, almost daily looking for reasons to tinker rather than
> avoid like with the W140s...
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Jon Agne  wrote:
> >
> > Bravo!  I love days like that!
> >
> > There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123 and
> W108.  Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri worked
> some of his welding magic on my right rear quarter panel.  I had the whole
> car sprayed in a very nice “driver” job (against Dimitri’s wishes) in the
> original color “Desert Red.”  It looks fantastic.  The car had 2 colors
> before due to a incident with a motorcycle 25 years ago on that right rear
> quarter, and the original paint was so thin you could see primer in places.
> >
> > I’ve just installed new Cibie headlamps (kept the original wattage on
> the bulbs) and I cannot believe the difference.  Today, I’ll replace the
> left fog light (corroded reflector) with one I purchased on eBay.  The
> windshield guy is also coming today to replace the original and the trunk
> seal.  Yes, I have the MB seals….I learned that lesson a long time ago.
> Thank you, Jaime.
> >
> > Later this week I’ll get the car fluid filmed (in all the right
> places).  I used to do this, but my friend has a gun and shoots out of a
> 5-gallon can with the car on a lift.  Painless!!!
> >
> > Diesel Purge is great stuff.  I always fill the new fuel filter with it
> because I never think to get diesel in advance of working on the car.
> >
> > It’s been warm so far this year, but cold is just around the corner.  I
> am going to prep small bottles of Howes Diesel Conditioner for winter use.
> Thinking of switching to Stanadyne after this bottle is exhausted
> >
> > Happy Wrenching!
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 15, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Got home from work, took care of some domestic stuff, starting the oil
> sucker before I began.
> >>
> >> Changed oil (Delo 400 LE 15W40) and installed a Mann oil filter.  There
> was a spare Mann filter with the car, but when I took it out of the box and
> inspected it the bottom rolled edge of the metal part was rusted or
> corroded.  No way I was putting that into the engine, so my shelf spare
> went in.  Always good to have a spare!
> >>
> >> Removed the air cleaner and found one of the buffers broken.  The metal
> cups/heat shields were all still there, which was nice to see.  I used one
> of my $6.00 M119 air cleaner buffers (MB part #1039880111, $6.00 list) that
> I suspected were the same and it was.  It’s possible they’re slight
> slightly taller than the W123 part, but that would be the only difference.
> Someone had already trimmed the inlet elbow edge off, so the sealing ring
> came out easy and was still nice and pliable, so no need to replace it.
> >>
> >> With the air cleaner out, I pulled the banjo bolt on the back of the
> intake out and cleaned it.  It was pretty clear with just a little bit of
> crud in it. This car will stand up on it’s hind legs without hardly any
> effort so I’m sure the line isn’t plugged, but I’ll check it this weekend
> when I have more time.  I also noticed the ALDA is still sealed.
> >>
> >> O-ring on the air cleaner drain tube could stand to be replaced - it’s
> NLA, but the oil dipstick O-ring is the same size and it’s still
> available.  Another item for the parts list to call in tomorrow.
> >>
> >> Changed the two O-rings on the filter tube (thanks, Curley!) and got
> four quarts in through the filter housing.  Put the new Mann filter in and
> closed things up.  Got another two quarts into it to hit the mid point of
> the dipstick and all was well.
> >>
> >> Cleaned the battery terminals and ground cable.  Put some protective
> goo on the terminals.
>

Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

Nothing to report from yesterday in the way of work.

My house painter called at 8:00 am and said his crew was on their way (we 
hadn't scheduled a start date yet) so when I got home I had to spend my time 
removing all the exterior fixtures as I had promised to do before they started.

After that I had an HOA meeting to attend, so I drove the 300D to the library 
for the meeting.

I'm simply amazed at the performance of this car. I'm not sure whether it's due 
to the relatively low miles, the way it's set up or what, but this thing gets 
up on its hind legs and GOES!  It does upshift quickly, so there may be a need 
for adjustment to the modulator.  It doesn't hold vacuum for long after being 
shut down, so maybe that's causing the early upshifts. I'll investigate the 
vacuum system this weekend if time permits.

That being said, it's definitely noisier than my later models. Not rattlely, 
just noisy.  Still fun to drive and spacious considering the difference in size 
compared to the W126. Almost 100 miles on the clock since I got it and it's not 
even down a 1/4 tank yet!

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-16 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Fun to watch the old SNL clips.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was thinking the same thing, but I believe you have it confused with
> Shimmer:
>
> http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/shimmer-floor-wax/n8625?snl=1
>
>
> > On Nov 16, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > And a dessert topping too!
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > On 11/16/16 3:18 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> >> And it looks like it softens hands, too!
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dan inquires:
> >>>
>  ‎Fluid filmed? Is this for the >undercarriage?
> >>> Yup.‎ It is a rust preventative. Unless you plan on being a Hoosier,
> or Cheesehead again soon, I don't think you would need it.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.fluid-film.com/
> >>>
> >>> ‎http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146102
> >>>
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> > “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-16 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

I was thinking the same thing, but I believe you have it confused with Shimmer:

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/shimmer-floor-wax/n8625?snl=1


> On Nov 16, 2016, at 3:34 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And a dessert topping too!
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 11/16/16 3:18 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
>> And it looks like it softens hands, too!
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dan inquires:
>>> 
 ‎Fluid filmed? Is this for the >undercarriage?
>>> Yup.‎ It is a rust preventative. Unless you plan on being a Hoosier, or 
>>> Cheesehead again soon, I don't think you would need it.
>>> 
>>> http://www.fluid-film.com/
>>> 
>>> ‎http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146102
>>> 
>>> Rick
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> -- 
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

One of the lantern guys I know uses it to soften the leather pump cups. He says 
the lanolin is the best thing ever...
-Curt

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And it looks like it softens hands, too!

Dan

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> On Nov 16, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Dan inquires:
> 
>> ‎Fluid filmed? Is this for the >undercarriage?
> 
> Yup.‎ It is a rust preventative. Unless you plan on being a Hoosier, or 
> Cheesehead again soon, I don't think you would need it. 
> 
> http://www.fluid-film.com/
> 
> ‎http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146102
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-16 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


And a dessert topping too!

--FT


On 11/16/16 3:18 PM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

And it looks like it softens hands, too!

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 16, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
wrote:

Dan inquires:


‎Fluid filmed? Is this for the >undercarriage?

Yup.‎ It is a rust preventative. Unless you plan on being a Hoosier, or 
Cheesehead again soon, I don't think you would need it.

http://www.fluid-film.com/

‎http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146102

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--FT
Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-16 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes

English underseal.

Fred


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Diesel preferred.



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Supposed to be good stuff. I'm thinking I ought to get it done on the Golf and 
Dodge which are both mostly rust free. Lots of places around here doing it now.
My great uncle used to get under his cars and paint on used motor oil with a 
brush. He kept cars forever...
-Curt


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And it looks like it softens hands, too!

Dan

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> On Nov 16, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dan inquires:
> 
>> ‎Fluid filmed? Is this for the >undercarriage?
> 
> Yup.‎ It is a rust preventative. Unless you plan on being a Hoosier, or 
> Cheesehead again soon, I don't think you would need it. 
> 
> http://www.fluid-film.com/
> 
> ‎http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146102
> 
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Supposed to be good stuff. I'm thinking I ought to get it done on the Golf and 
Dodge which are both mostly rust free. Lots of places around here doing it now.
My great uncle used to get under his cars and paint on used motor oil with a 
brush. He kept cars forever...
-Curt

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 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 2:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun
   
Dan inquires:

>‎Fluid filmed? Is this for the >undercarriage?

Yup.‎ It is a rust preventative. Unless you plan on being a Hoosier, or 
Cheesehead again soon, I don't think you would need it. 

http://www.fluid-film.com/

‎http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146102

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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-16 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Jon writes:

>‎I had the whole car sprayed in a very >nice “driver” job (against Dimitri’s 
>>wishes) 

What were his wishes? 
Concours quality?


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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-16 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Dan inquires:

>‎Fluid filmed? Is this for the >undercarriage?

Yup.‎ It is a rust preventative. Unless you plan on being a Hoosier, or 
Cheesehead again soon, I don't think you would need it. 

http://www.fluid-film.com/

‎http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146102

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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

I run BioBor shortly after getting each car for the reasons you state. I also 
had good luck with the water-wetter the one time I tried it. My '84 190D would 
randomly run hot, I never could figure out why but the water wetter seemed to 
mitigate the issue somewhat.
The thing about a lubrication additive is that being successful with it doesn't 
prove you wouldn't have been successful without it. I've never had an IP or 
injector failure. I had the injectors in my '84 190D cleaned and new nozzles 
and didn't really see any improvement from it.
I have seen huge improvements with Diesel Purge on neglected engines though, 
its kind of magic.
-Curt

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I've used RedLine in my diesels in a response to the change in OTR diesel 
formulation from some years ago.  When I had my 82 300SD I used it in every 
tank. After nearly 150k, I had the injectors rebuilt. The Bosch diesel tech 
that rebuilt them said they were the cleanest injectors he had ever seen, and I 
had to show him my service records before he would believe they had 150k+ on 
them.

When I was working in San Francisco my employer was a Stanadyne distributor. A 
full case of the Stanadyne fuel additive got damaged in the warehouse and was 
left sitting out on loading dock. I asked what they planned on doing with it, 
and when they said they were going to throw it in the waste oil tank, I asked 
if I could have it.  They gave me the whole case...

I also use the RedLine WaterWetter. It definitely makes a difference.

When I first got my W126 I ran some BioBor through it as I knew it hadn't been 
run a lot prior to my purchasing it. I waited until I got home to do it just in 
case it shook anything loose in the tank. I get my fuel from nearly new gas 
stations that turn their stock over at least once a week, so there's really no 
need for it now.

Dan



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> On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> John's 108 is glorious...
> I'm not a fan of additives, I follow the Marshall Booth attitude that if it 
> ain't broke I don't gotta mess with it. I'll hit both cars with a shot of 
> de-waterer here in the next couple weeks to be sure no water buildup from 
> warm summer air is in the tank to freeze but other than that since neither of 
> my cars has shown any sign of issues I'm going to proceed happily.
> This reminds me I need to review the procedure for changing the fuel filter 
> on the '05 Golf. I *think* I need to put in the new filter and actuate an 
> electric pump with the VCDS to prime the lines. On the '98 its just replace 
> and crank but it hasn't complained this year. Usually in the fall it'll fall 
> into limp home mode on a big hill climb indicating a clogged filter. Maybe 
> after 3 years I've finally run it enough that the tank is mostly clean...
> -Curt
> 
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun
> 
> Jon,
> 
> Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I might 
> ask?
> 
> Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?
> 
> Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but I've used 
> both.  After a first dose of one bottle you only need an ounce per tank fill. 
> It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't expensive, around 
> $10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of fuel, about a buck a tank.  
> I can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for that, which is cheaper than buying 
> a case online.
> 
> I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.
> 
> Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on the 
> later stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and there's no 
> dealing with electronics, it's all analog.  I am really enjoying working on 
> my W123 and W126, almost daily looking for reasons to tinker rather than 
> avoid like with the W140s...
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Jon Agne <jonag...@gwi.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Bravo!  I love days like that!
>> 
>> There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123 and 
>> W108.  Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri worked 
>> some of


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I've used RedLine in my diesels in a response to the change in OTR diesel 
formulation from some years ago.  When I had my 82 300SD I used it in every 
tank. After nearly 150k, I had the injectors rebuilt. The Bosch diesel tech 
that rebuilt them said they were the cleanest injectors he had ever seen, and I 
had to show him my service records before he would believe they had 150k+ on 
them.

When I was working in San Francisco my employer was a Stanadyne distributor. A 
full case of the Stanadyne fuel additive got damaged in the warehouse and was 
left sitting out on loading dock. I asked what they planned on doing with it, 
and when they said they were going to throw it in the waste oil tank, I asked 
if I could have it.  They gave me the whole case...

I also use the RedLine WaterWetter. It definitely makes a difference.

When I first got my W126 I ran some BioBor through it as I knew it hadn't been 
run a lot prior to my purchasing it. I waited until I got home to do it just in 
case it shook anything loose in the tank. I get my fuel from nearly new gas 
stations that turn their stock over at least once a week, so there's really no 
need for it now.

Dan



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> On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> John's 108 is glorious...
> I'm not a fan of additives, I follow the Marshall Booth attitude that if it 
> ain't broke I don't gotta mess with it. I'll hit both cars with a shot of 
> de-waterer here in the next couple weeks to be sure no water buildup from 
> warm summer air is in the tank to freeze but other than that since neither of 
> my cars has shown any sign of issues I'm going to proceed happily.
> This reminds me I need to review the procedure for changing the fuel filter 
> on the '05 Golf. I *think* I need to put in the new filter and actuate an 
> electric pump with the VCDS to prime the lines. On the '98 its just replace 
> and crank but it hasn't complained this year. Usually in the fall it'll fall 
> into limp home mode on a big hill climb indicating a clogged filter. Maybe 
> after 3 years I've finally run it enough that the tank is mostly clean...
> -Curt
> 
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> Cc: "d...@penoff.com" <d...@penoff.com>
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun
> 
> Jon,
> 
> Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I might 
> ask?
> 
> Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?
> 
> Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but I've used 
> both.  After a first dose of one bottle you only need an ounce per tank fill. 
> It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't expensive, around 
> $10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of fuel, about a buck a tank.  
> I can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for that, which is cheaper than buying 
> a case online.
> 
> I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.
> 
> Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on the 
> later stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and there's no 
> dealing with electronics, it's all analog.  I am really enjoying working on 
> my W123 and W126, almost daily looking for reasons to tinker rather than 
> avoid like with the W140s...
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Jon Agne <jonag...@gwi.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Bravo!  I love days like that!
>> 
>> There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123 and 
>> W108.  Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri worked 
>> some of


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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

John's 108 is glorious...
I'm not a fan of additives, I follow the Marshall Booth attitude that if it 
ain't broke I don't gotta mess with it. I'll hit both cars with a shot of 
de-waterer here in the next couple weeks to be sure no water buildup from warm 
summer air is in the tank to freeze but other than that since neither of my 
cars has shown any sign of issues I'm going to proceed happily.
This reminds me I need to review the procedure for changing the fuel filter on 
the '05 Golf. I *think* I need to put in the new filter and actuate an electric 
pump with the VCDS to prime the lines. On the '98 its just replace and crank 
but it hasn't complained this year. Usually in the fall it'll fall into limp 
home mode on a big hill climb indicating a clogged filter. Maybe after 3 years 
I've finally run it enough that the tank is mostly clean...
-Curt

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Jon,

Where did you get your Cibie headlamps, and what did they cost, if I might ask?

Fluid filmed? Is this for the undercarriage?

Stanadyne is good stuff, I prefer RedLine Diesel Fuel Catalyst, but I've used 
both.  After a first dose of one bottle you only need an ounce per tank fill. 
It does wonderful things for lubricity and isn't expensive, around 
$10-$11/bottle around here, which is 12 tanks of fuel, about a buck a tank.  I 
can find it on the shelf at PepBoys for that, which is cheaper than buying a 
case online.

I love Desert Red, especially with a Palimino interior.

Wrenching on these older cars is far more satisfying than working on the later 
stuff. It's simple, things are relatively easy to access and there's no dealing 
with electronics, it's all analog.  I am really enjoying working on my W123 and 
W126, almost daily looking for reasons to tinker rather than avoid like with 
the W140s...

Dan

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> On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:23 AM, Jon Agne <jonag...@gwi.net> wrote:
> 
> Bravo!  I love days like that!
> 
> There really is nothing quite so enjoyable than wrenching on my W123 and 
> W108.  Ive just gotten Karl back from the paint shop after Dimitri worked 
> some of his welding magic on my right rear quarter panel.  I had the whole 
> car sprayed in a very nice “driver” job (against Dimitri’s wishes) in the 
> original color “Desert Red.”  It looks fantastic.  The car had 2 colors 
> before due to a incident with a motorcycle 25 years ago on that right rear 
> quarter, and the original paint was so thin you could see primer in places.
> 
> I’ve just installed new Cibie headlamps (kept the original wattage on the 
> bulbs) and I cannot believe the difference.  Today, I’ll replace the left fog 
> light (corroded reflector) with one I purchased on eBay.  The windshield guy 
> is also coming today to replace the original and the trunk seal.  Yes, I have 
> the MB seals….I learned that lesson a long time ago.  Thank you, Jaime.
> 
> Later this week I’ll get the car fluid filmed (in all the right places).  I 
> used to do this, but my friend has a gun and shoots out of a 5-gallon can 
> with the car on a lift.  Painless!!!
> 
> Diesel Purge is great stuff.  I always fill the new fuel filter with it 
> because I never think to get diesel in advance of working on the car.
> 
> It’s been warm so far this year, but cold is just around the corner.  I am 
> going to prep small bottles of Howes Diesel Conditioner for winter use.  
> Thinking of switching to Stanadyne after this bottle is exhausted
> 
> Happy Wrenching!
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Got home from work, took care of some domestic stuff, starting the oil 
>> sucker before I began.
>> 
>> Changed oil (Delo 400 LE 15W40) and installed a Mann oil filter.  There was 
>> a spare Mann filter with the car, but when I took it out of the box and 
>> inspected it the bottom rolled edge of the metal part was rusted or 
>> corroded.  No way I was putting that into the engine, so my shelf spare went 
>> in.  Always good to have a spare!
>> 
>> Removed the air cleaner and found one of the buffers broken.  The metal 
>> cups/heat shields were all still there, which was nice to see.  I used one 
>> of my $6.00 M119 air cleaner buffers (MB part #1039880111, $6.00 list) that 
>> I suspected were the same and it was.  It’s possible they’re slight slightly 
>> taller than the W123 part, but that would be the only difference.  Someone 
>> had already trimmed the inlet elbow edge off, so the sealing ring came out 
>> easy and was still nice a

Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

Sorry, no.  That's a reference to the resident feline, to which I am the 
beholden human of choice.

If she (Kitty) had her way, the wife would be further down the scratching 
(pecking) order.

SWMBS - she who must be scratched. And fed, and entertained, etc., etc.

Dan

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> On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So your wife is named "Kitty?"  Does Marshall Max Dillon know?
> 
> 
>> On 11/15/16 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Enough for the day.  Time to play with Kitty and turn in.
>> 
>> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Today's W123 Fun

2016-11-16 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes


So your wife is named "Kitty?"  Does Marshall Max Dillon know?


On 11/15/16 8:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Enough for the day.  Time to play with Kitty and turn in.

Dan
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Winston Churchill:
“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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