Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
I second that. I hadn't thought of it, but the recycle aspect and the heat and pressure really appeals to my sense of justice. I could see it now, with the modern Hollywood proclivity to sensationalism it would be like the suvivor show or reality TV in about a month with ratings and sponsors. Perhaps we could have Kim Kardashian fill the host slot or Simon Whatzname. Hmmm,, who could we get for sponsors? Maybe Depends and some good Pharm company for anti psychotics. Sorry, have to go throw up now, Ohh ,, that makes me think.. how about a good anti nausea med. All the makings of a commercial success already... it just needs some government grant money to kick start the whole thing. ;)') On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I am kind of in favor of the breaker used in rendering plants for dead animals. Not near as noisy, very effective, and a little slower. It is environmentally green, because they can be recycled into fertilizer, an entirely appropriate use for scum by another four letter word starting with s. (tongue in cheek to the same extent as Grant) You are sick and twisted. (TV Show) Great post! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors? I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout the day. :) Walt On Apr 11, 2012 8:44 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I second that. I hadn't thought of it, but the recycle aspect and the heat and pressure really appeals to my sense of justice. I could see it now, with the modern Hollywood proclivity to sensationalism it would be like the suvivor show or reality TV in about a month with ratings and sponsors. Perhaps we could have Kim Kardashian fill the host slot or Simon Whatzname. Hmmm,, who could we get for sponsors? Maybe Depends and some good Pharm company for anti psychotics. Sorry, have to go throw up now, Ohh ,, that makes me think.. how about a good anti nausea med. All the makings of a commercial success already... it just needs some government grant money to kick start the whole thing. ;)') On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I am kind of in favor of the breaker used in rendering plants for dead animals. Not near as noisy, very effective, and a little slower. It is environmentally green, because they can be recycled into fertilizer, an entirely appropriate use for scum by another four letter word starting with s. (tongue in cheek to the same extent as Grant) You are sick and twisted. (TV Show) Great post! __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My daughter just got a new Border Collie puppy. He is pretty cool. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Walt Zarnoch Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:52 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating tangents... Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors? I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout the day. :) Walt On Apr 11, 2012 8:44 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I second that. I hadn't thought of it, but the recycle aspect and the heat and pressure really appeals to my sense of justice. I could see it now, with the modern Hollywood proclivity to sensationalism it would be like the suvivor show or reality TV in about a month with ratings and sponsors. Perhaps we could have Kim Kardashian fill the host slot or Simon Whatzname. Hmmm,, who could we get for sponsors? Maybe Depends and some good Pharm company for anti psychotics. Sorry, have to go throw up now, Ohh ,, that makes me think.. how about a good anti nausea med. All the makings of a commercial success already... it just needs some government grant money to kick start the whole thing. ;)') On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I am kind of in favor of the breaker used in rendering plants for dead animals. Not near as noisy, very effective, and a little slower. It is environmentally green, because they can be recycled into fertilizer, an entirely appropriate use for scum by another four letter word starting with s. (tongue in cheek to the same extent as Grant) You are sick and twisted. (TV Show) Great post! __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://m ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Since the death row in every state [or life with extreme circumstances, for those who don't have death] is full to overflowing, should there also be a daytime version? We would after have a nearly endless supply of contestants. I understand the Oprah network is struggling for ratings, maybe she would like to pick up the daytime version, morning show and afternoon nap time slot? Sick and Twisted... the new replacement for Judge Judy watch civilization slide in three 15 minute segments 3 times a day. I think we are onto something here... Charlie Sheen / Lindsey Lohan 2012 The country is going to hell, elect a team that knows the way [Need the right politics to pull off the government grant you know] ; )`) Grant... [who is bored with all this 'slap on the wrist' justice system and wants better bread and circuses at the Colosseum, come on Hollywood, grow a set] On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I second that. I hadn't thought of it, but the recycle aspect and the heat and pressure really appeals to my sense of justice. I could see it now, with the modern Hollywood proclivity to sensationalism it would be like the suvivor show or reality TV in about a month with ratings and sponsors. Perhaps we could have Kim Kardashian fill the host slot or Simon Whatzname. Hmmm,, who could we get for sponsors? Maybe Depends and some good Pharm company for anti psychotics. Sorry, have to go throw up now, Ohh ,, that makes me think.. how about a good anti nausea med. All the makings of a commercial success already... it just needs some government grant money to kick start the whole thing. ;)') On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I am kind of in favor of the breaker used in rendering plants for dead animals. Not near as noisy, very effective, and a little slower. It is environmentally green, because they can be recycled into fertilizer, an entirely appropriate use for scum by another four letter word starting with s. (tongue in cheek to the same extent as Grant) You are sick and twisted. (TV Show) Great post! __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:00:50 -0400 Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: My daughter just got a new Border Collie puppy. He is pretty cool. Neat. We no longer have a puppy; Ori is 6.5 years now. Going along with the tangent and the original subject, very aggravating, we have some new neighbors who have been next door about a year. They have four noisy dogs. I've gone over and asked if there were anything we could do to convince the dogs that we belong over in our yard, but was told if I ignored it, the dogs would get tired of making noise. Sure. Meanwhile, the dogs growl at us like they would bite us if they got a chance. We called Animal Control last Friday. It hadn't been quieter until late this morning. We'll see how it goes. The neighbors on the other side of the dogs are having some yard work done in their back yard, so the people with the dogs are probably keeping close tabs on them. It will be interesting to see if the quiet keeps up after the yard work is done. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think I heard that Mittens Romney eats puppies, and grills them over a nuke fire. --R On 4/11/12 11:52 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors? I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout the day.:) Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Life begins when the kids leave home, and the dog dies. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I think I heard that Mittens Romney eats puppies, and grills them over a nuke fire. --R On 4/11/12 11:52 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors? I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout the day.:) Walt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are thousands of cars in CA running around with no plates because it takes the DMV three months to print them. Ridiculous. I couldn't believe it when I got here. The car dealers just put their branded plate substitute in place of the real thing. Yet in 30 years of driving and plenty of times with questionable plates, California is also the only place in the world where I've been pulled over for having an expired sticker, naturally at night during the trip home from buying the W115 300D. In fact the sticker had been paid but not applied by the PO (cop looked it up in the computer), so he let me off. I'd have been better not to have had plates on at all! On 2012-04-06, at 18:27, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: On Apr 6, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There are thousands of cars in CA running around with no plates because it takes the DMV three months to print them. Ridiculous. I couldn't believe it when I got here. The car dealers just put their branded plate substitute in place of the real thing. Yet in 30 years of driving and plenty of times with questionable plates, California is also the only place in the world where I've been pulled over for having an expired sticker, naturally at night during the trip home from buying the W115 300D. In fact the sticker had been paid but not applied by the PO (cop looked it up in the computer), so he let me off. I'd have been better not to have had plates on at all! On 2012-04-06, at 18:27, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: On Apr 6, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kids actually leave home?? Ever?? ;)) On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:26 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Life begins when the kids leave home, and the dog dies. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I think I heard that Mittens Romney eats puppies, and grills them over a nuke fire. --R On 4/11/12 11:52 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors? I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout the day.:) Walt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Knocking on wood - so far! On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:10 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Kids actually leave home?? Ever?? ;)) On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:26 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Life begins when the kids leave home, and the dog dies. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I think I heard that Mittens Romney eats puppies, and grills them over a nuke fire. --R On 4/11/12 11:52 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Lets talk about puppies! Or maybe nuclear fusion reactors? I love this list, the tangents make for great stress relief throughout the day.:) Walt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental witnesses. Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach wrenching scenes. So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come. The wood chipper scene against the snow. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The wood chipper, I've always thought, is a very good tool for the control of repeat offenders. It's careful application would cure the long lines on death row and associated costs of housing worthless scum who have been proven so. If the public finds it entertaining enough to use in movies, by that public test, it is no longer cruel and unusual is it? [Please note the very tongue in cheek of these comments] I'm deeply concerned at our society for even allowing such scenes or movies to be presented. Anyone remember when we had a public moral conscience? On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental witnesses. Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach wrenching scenes. So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come. The wood chipper scene against the snow. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A bit of an odd movie. The deranged killer was just disposing of a body so I guess we can sort of understand that side of it. It was not like the police used it to get rid of the bad guy. Got to love Margie. Randy On 10/04/2012 11:00 AM, G Mann wrote: The wood chipper, I've always thought, is a very good tool for the control of repeat offenders. It's careful application would cure the long lines on death row and associated costs of housing worthless scum who have been proven so. If the public finds it entertaining enough to use in movies, by that public test, it is no longer cruel and unusual is it? [Please note the very tongue in cheek of these comments] I'm deeply concerned at our society for even allowing such scenes or movies to be presented. Anyone remember when we had a public moral conscience? On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental witnesses. Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach wrenching scenes. So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come. The wood chipper scene against the snow. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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First time I saw it I found it disturbing. Second time, not so much. Now I appreciate it as truly dark. I can watch the chipper scene, but not without wincing. BTW, has anyone seen William H. Macy on Showtime in Shameless? Its a great show. Dan On Apr 10, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: A bit of an odd movie. The deranged killer was just disposing of a body so I guess we can sort of understand that side of it. It was not like the police used it to get rid of the bad guy. Got to love Margie. Randy On 10/04/2012 11:00 AM, G Mann wrote: The wood chipper, I've always thought, is a very good tool for the control of repeat offenders. It's careful application would cure the long lines on death row and associated costs of housing worthless scum who have been proven so. If the public finds it entertaining enough to use in movies, by that public test, it is no longer cruel and unusual is it? [Please note the very tongue in cheek of these comments] I'm deeply concerned at our society for even allowing such scenes or movies to be presented. Anyone remember when we had a public moral conscience? On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental witnesses. Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach wrenching scenes. So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come. The wood chipper scene against the snow. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Laws do indeed vary by state. In NC, anyone who can legally own a handgun can carry it in their car provided it is either in plain sight or inaccessible (like in the trunk). Still, if stopped by a cop it's a good idea to call it to his/her attention or even put it on the dash (and keep your hands on the wheel or window). Don't try that in Illinois or most other liberal strongholds. State laws vary. Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA. _Concealing_ it was the crime, not the having of it... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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True - used to be that way here also. Remember gun racks in the back windows of ALL the pickups? On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM, j...@windwireless.net j...@windwireless.net wrote: That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates (also without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with no permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing --- State laws vary. Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA. _Concealing_ it was the crime, not the having of it... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The wood chipper scene snow globe was selling at a premium on fleabay a few years ago - quite the collectors item. On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:00 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: The wood chipper, I've always thought, is a very good tool for the control of repeat offenders. It's careful application would cure the long lines on death row and associated costs of housing worthless scum who have been proven so. If the public finds it entertaining enough to use in movies, by that public test, it is no longer cruel and unusual is it? [Please note the very tongue in cheek of these comments] I'm deeply concerned at our society for even allowing such scenes or movies to be presented. Anyone remember when we had a public moral conscience? On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental witnesses. Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach wrenching scenes. So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come. The wood chipper scene against the snow. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think you're right, but I'm too lazy to look it up. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: I'll have to look it up but I think it was more then 1day. Peter Sent from my iPhone On Apr 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM, j...@windwireless.net j...@windwireless.net wrote: That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates (also without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with no permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing --- State laws vary. Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA. _Concealing_ it was the crime, not the having of it... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep. That's our go-to show, along with masterpiece Theatre. BTW, has anyone seen William H. Macy on Showtime in Shameless? Its a great show. On 4/10/12, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I think you're right, but I'm too lazy to look it up. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: I'll have to look it up but I think it was more then 1day. Peter Sent from my iPhone On Apr 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM, j...@windwireless.net j...@windwireless.net wrote: That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates (also without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with no permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing --- State laws vary. Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA. _Concealing_ it was the crime, not the having of it... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am kind of in favor of the breaker used in rendering plants for dead animals. Not near as noisy, very effective, and a little slower. It is environmentally green, because they can be recycled into fertilizer, an entirely appropriate use for scum by another four letter word starting with s. (tongue in cheek to the same extent as Grant) The wood chipper, I've always thought, is a very good tool for the control of repeat offenders. It's careful application would cure the long lines on death row and associated costs of housing worthless scum who have been proven so. If the public finds it entertaining enough to use in movies, by that public test, it is no longer cruel and unusual is it? [Please note the very tongue in cheek of these comments] I'm deeply concerned at our society for even allowing such scenes or movies to be presented. Anyone remember when we had a public moral conscience? On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental witnesses. Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach wrenching scenes. So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come. The wood chipper scene against the snow. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I second that. I hadn't thought of it, but the recycle aspect and the heat and pressure really appeals to my sense of justice. I could see it now, with the modern Hollywood proclivity to sensationalism it would be like the suvivor show or reality TV in about a month with ratings and sponsors. Perhaps we could have Kim Kardashian fill the host slot or Simon Whatzname. Hmmm,, who could we get for sponsors? Maybe Depends and some good Pharm company for anti psychotics. Sorry, have to go throw up now, Ohh ,, that makes me think.. how about a good anti nausea med. All the makings of a commercial success already... it just needs some government grant money to kick start the whole thing. ;)') On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I am kind of in favor of the breaker used in rendering plants for dead animals. Not near as noisy, very effective, and a little slower. It is environmentally green, because they can be recycled into fertilizer, an entirely appropriate use for scum by another four letter word starting with s. (tongue in cheek to the same extent as Grant) The wood chipper, I've always thought, is a very good tool for the control of repeat offenders. It's careful application would cure the long lines on death row and associated costs of housing worthless scum who have been proven so. If the public finds it entertaining enough to use in movies, by that public test, it is no longer cruel and unusual is it? [Please note the very tongue in cheek of these comments] I'm deeply concerned at our society for even allowing such scenes or movies to be presented. Anyone remember when we had a public moral conscience? On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 09/04/2012 9:36 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental witnesses. Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach wrenching scenes. So did you get to the end? If not, you will see there is more to come. The wood chipper scene against the snow. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Probably trying to avoid missing out on tax revenue. This sounds much like the WI and FL laws that require you to pay sales tax on cars purchased out of state if you establish residency within six months of the purchase. Dan On Apr 9, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: So what are they trying to do here? Encourage MA residents to buy vehicles within MA? On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to impound cars over it. OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable): Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal. Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of state vehicles. So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's temporary plate on a car I bought. However if I as an Indiana resident I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can drive it in/through MA legally. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Michael Canfield wrote: MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to impound cars over it. Full faith and credit clause, haul them into federal court and see how they like paying a million or so in attorney fees after their final loss at the Supreme Court level. Oh, I forget, government employed criminals never pay anything for violating the Constitution, their taxpayers foot the bill. But, just like in Chicago, they deserve it for electing the jackasses in the first place. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan Streib wrote: So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's temporary plate on a car I bought. However if I as an Indiana resident I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can drive it in/through MA legally. OK, that's not a full faith and credit problem, it's more like an abusive spouse not wanting the victim to seek help elsewhere. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In Louisiana you pay the sales tax whenever you bring a vehicle into the state. The check is made to the name of the current county sheriff :-) Brian On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Probably trying to avoid missing out on tax revenue. This sounds much like the WI and FL laws that require you to pay sales tax on cars purchased out of state if you establish residency within six months of the purchase. Dan On Apr 9, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: So what are they trying to do here? Encourage MA residents to buy vehicles within MA? On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to impound cars over it. OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable): Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal. Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of state vehicles. So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's temporary plate on a car I bought. However if I as an Indiana resident I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can drive it in/through MA legally. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think you are under the mistaken impression that any of it is related in any way to sense... -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:23:52 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS Message-ID: cacncphmmqzvd6qinqy34h2t+ouymuvnr2k21hdnrld8n4le...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So what are they trying to do here? Encourage MA residents to buy vehicles within MA? On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to impound cars over it. OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable): Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal. Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of state vehicles. So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's temporary plate on a car I bought. However if I as an Indiana resident I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can drive it in/through MA legally. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not quite true. Sales tax is paid to the State thru the Local Sheriff Dept who is the tax collector for the state and Parish. If you buy a vech. in Miss or Ark and paid taxes there you only pay the difference in taxes if your local taxes is more. If you buy a vech in Texas and tell them you are going to Reg it in another state They will let you skip paying the sales tax. I've done this twice. You can go to the DMV and get a La Temp tag if you are going to buy a car out of state. Only need the VIN and Sellers Name and Proof of Ins card. But there is a caveat to doing that. It's good for 30 days only. Normally Temp tags from a dealer is good for 90 days. When you move to La you have 30 days to Reg your vechs and obtain an La Drivers License. You pay taxes according the Blue Book value. Reg fee is 75 bucks tag fee vary depending on how old the vech is. The fee for my 84 300D is 20 bucks for 2 years. Russ W. On 4/9/2012 11:31 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: In Louisiana you pay the sales tax whenever you bring a vehicle into the state. The check is made to the name of the current county sheriff :-) Brian On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Probably trying to avoid missing out on tax revenue. This sounds much like the WI and FL laws that require you to pay sales tax on cars purchased out of state if you establish residency within six months of the purchase. Dan On Apr 9, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Brian Toscanobrian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: So what are they trying to do here? Encourage MA residents to buy vehicles within MA? On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Michael Canfieldslozuk...@gmail.com writes: MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to impound cars over it. OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable): Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal. Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of state vehicles. So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's temporary plate on a car I bought. However if I as an Indiana resident I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can drive it in/through MA legally. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2411/4924 - Release Date: 04/09/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates (also without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with no permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing --- State laws vary. Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA. _Concealing_ it was the crime, not the having of it... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'll have to look it up but I think it was more then 1day. Peter Sent from my iPhone On Apr 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM, j...@windwireless.net j...@windwireless.net wrote: That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates (also without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with no permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing --- State laws vary. Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA. _Concealing_ it was the crime, not the having of it... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I just watched that ultra violent part of Fargo when the psycho Quebecois killer takes out all the state trooper and the accidental witnesses. Brilliantly directed and acted, but totally stomach wrenching scenes. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: I'll have to look it up but I think it was more then 1day. Peter Sent from my iPhone On Apr 9, 2012, at 4:13 PM, j...@windwireless.net j...@windwireless.net wrote: That's how they caught Timothy McVey - he was driving without plates (also without a license, with a loaded hand gun beside him on the seat with no permit). It was the next day before they linked him ti the bombing --- State laws vary. Â Once upon a time (and probably no longer), on the front seat next to you was the _only_ way to carry a handgun in WA. _Concealing_ it was the crime, not the having of it... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No refunds here that I know of. If you sell the car before the registration expires, you simply lose the value of what you paid. Some states, like Indiana, had a system where the cost of your annual registration was based on the value of the vehicle, rather than a flat fee. If you had a new or fairly new car, you might have to pay thousands of dollars each year for your registration. Fees leveled off after 12 years. I am not sure if they still do it this way or not. I don't think they do. Dan Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: No, car rego is controlled by the states, however there is a memorandum of understanding to enable people to buy cars interstate. Within the federal law there is a section that states that a state cannot hamper free trade, this is a simplification of the law but it's purpose is to stop a state from imposing a tax/duty on products from another state. Further they way it works here is that the old rego is cancelled in the respective state, you can even get a refund for the unused portion and then you get new rego and have to pay tax on the purchase price, which is stated on the ownership transfer form. Hendrik who hates paying tax but it's the price of civilisation On 08/04/12 12:06, Dan Penoff wrote: Hendrik, The problem exists because of the separation of federal and state governments here when it comes to regulating commerce within their respective state. You have federal laws governing such things, where in our case they are controlled by the individual states. Each state has different laws regarding titling and registration of vehicles, and it's a very complex thing. Part of the problem originates from the fact that registrations and titles are a revenue stream for each state, so they guard their individual processes very closely. For example, in Florida and Wisconsin, two states I have been a legal resident of, if you purchase a vehicle out of state within six months of becoming a state resident, you have to pay sales tax on the vehicle equal to what would be charged by the respective state. For example, if I bought a car while living in Wisconsin and moved to Florida within six months of buying the car in Wisconsin, when I go to register the car in Florida as a legal resident I would have to pay the difference (if any) between the sales tax I paid on it in Wisconsin and the sales tax in Florida. If Wisconsin's sales tax is 4% and Florida's is 6%, I would have to pay Florida the 2% difference when I register the car there. This is an example of how convoluted our state regulations can be Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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te: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:48:32 -0400 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: 067b5ef2-5876-4283-b612-16ddf251e...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That doesn't make a lot of sense. I work a block away from the county central offices, and there is a DMV branch there that's totally dead, even at lunchtime. I asked them how I should deal with the purchase and they really didn't know. The catch-22 regarding temporary tags came up, and the person there admitted that they didn't know how you would go about it, as it's impossible under the current laws to get a temporary tag if the car is not physically in the state or your possession. Duh. I called PA and they were equally clueless. It wasn't until we were at the title place in PA that the offer of a temporary tag even came up. Dan Right... the Pennsylvania bureaucracy is a special kind of confusing. For certain types of title operations you go to private companies; for certain types of drivers license things you can go to private companies, online or the state (in local centers) and for some things you can only go to the state capital by mail. And it's quite common for the people who are actively involved to tell you have to go to somewhere else for something they're responsible for. I knew that temporary tags existed for transit however I thought they used to cost 15 or 20 bucks. It seems someone in the state had a brilliant eureka moment where they thought they could raise revenue and whack out-of-state people by raising the fee by five or six times. And if I was Dan I would've said the heck with it too. Given how dramatically the fee was raised I wonder how many others say the heck with it and if today they collect as much as they used to under the old structure. Tony Wirtel Former '92 300e/2.6 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually a lot of what I'm seeing here makes me think the New England states are pretty civilized. When I bought my '83 240D I paid upfront, they sent me the title, I got plates, took the bus to NJ and drove the car back to MA, very simple. All this fluff about needing to see the car to prove the VIN got taken care of 7 days later when I got the car inspected. The inspection stations here are quite un-corrupt. Even back when I had a bought and paid for inspection station there were things I couldn't have done, rule #1 was that paperwork had to be in order... -Curt Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 22:07:37 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: a06240803cba6adf5cb28@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed NJ is very strict... I've been involved in a few situations that didn't go well a few years ago... luckily it was never me directly. In one case, the car was impounded because we couldn't provide proof of insurance (but we did have insurance, just no proof). Other times resulted in lots of tickets, but no impound. In NJ, the key is insurance. If you don't have it, you're in trouble. Most state police cars now drive around with the license plate scanning technology. So you use an expired plate or one from another car, they catch you just by driving by. I suppose if you use a valid plate from a very similar car, you can get away with it. But I don't take any chances now. In state, I always arrange to buy cars during the week so I can goto the local DMV and register it with insurance before driving. Or I just take the title and come back for the car a few days later after I register it. Out of state is still difficult. NJ is another state that will offer non-residents 30 day temp tags (with proof of insurance), but nothing for people in state. Jaime Guess I am lucky. The one time i got a car from east of the Appalachians, It didn't run so I had no choice but to pay to have it hauled . Seems beat to avoid buying cars from East of the Appalachians, as whacko state laws originate there or Kalyfornya I still liked my old system, with old cars that had the serial number plate screwed on: I swapped the plates and TYP plate, (before VIN) and never told the insco. Same car.just changed color... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One of the things that people not from here don't realize is that the Northeast is New York and SOUTH to Virginia. North of New York is New England, NOT the same thing. Aroostook County, Maine is a whole different thing entirely. Look up the bloodless war of Aroostook secession... -Curt Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:49:26 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: 20120407214926.0b997649.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:18:04 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia So are all of the northeastern states cut from the same cloth? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Those private companies in PA are most often members of the Commonwealth and make regular trips to Harrisburg to do their business. They take your paperwork with them and process it for you for a fee so you don't have to go to Hburg to do it yourself. Takes 3 days to do in PA what you can do in most states in minutes. Mike On Apr 8, 2012 9:36 AM, Tony Wirtel tony.wir...@gmail.com wrote: te: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:48:32 -0400 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: 067b5ef2-5876-4283-b612-16ddf251e...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That doesn't make a lot of sense. I work a block away from the county central offices, and there is a DMV branch there that's totally dead, even at lunchtime. I asked them how I should deal with the purchase and they really didn't know. The catch-22 regarding temporary tags came up, and the person there admitted that they didn't know how you would go about it, as it's impossible under the current laws to get a temporary tag if the car is not physically in the state or your possession. Duh. I called PA and they were equally clueless. It wasn't until we were at the title place in PA that the offer of a temporary tag even came up. Dan Right... the Pennsylvania bureaucracy is a special kind of confusing. For certain types of title operations you go to private companies; for certain types of drivers license things you can go to private companies, online or the state (in local centers) and for some things you can only go to the state capital by mail. And it's quite common for the people who are actively involved to tell you have to go to somewhere else for something they're responsible for. I knew that temporary tags existed for transit however I thought they used to cost 15 or 20 bucks. It seems someone in the state had a brilliant eureka moment where they thought they could raise revenue and whack out-of-state people by raising the fee by five or six times. And if I was Dan I would've said the heck with it too. Given how dramatically the fee was raised I wonder how many others say the heck with it and if today they collect as much as they used to under the old structure. Tony Wirtel Former '92 300e/2.6 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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SOME STATES only allow dealers to issue temp tags LarryT On 4/8/2012 9:36 AM, Tony Wirtel wrote: te: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:48:32 -0400 From: Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID:067b5ef2-5876-4283-b612-16ddf251e...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That doesn't make a lot of sense. I work a block away from the county central offices, and there is a DMV branch there that's totally dead, even at lunchtime. I asked them how I should deal with the purchase and they really didn't know. The catch-22 regarding temporary tags came up, and the person there admitted that they didn't know how you would go about it, as it's impossible under the current laws to get a temporary tag if the car is not physically in the state or your possession. Duh. I called PA and they were equally clueless. It wasn't until we were at the title place in PA that the offer of a temporary tag even came up. Dan Right... the Pennsylvania bureaucracy is a special kind of confusing. For certain types of title operations you go to private companies; for certain types of drivers license things you can go to private companies, online or the state (in local centers) and for some things you can only go to the state capital by mail. And it's quite common for the people who are actively involved to tell you have to go to somewhere else for something they're responsible for. I knew that temporary tags existed for transit however I thought they used to cost 15 or 20 bucks. It seems someone in the state had a brilliant eureka moment where they thought they could raise revenue and whack out-of-state people by raising the fee by five or six times. And if I was Dan I would've said the heck with it too. Given how dramatically the fee was raised I wonder how many others say the heck with it and if today they collect as much as they used to under the old structure. Tony Wirtel Former '92 300e/2.6 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Refunds are not common but some states do/did issue them. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: No refunds here that I know of. If you sell the car before the registration expires, you simply lose the value of what you paid. Some states, like Indiana, had a system where the cost of your annual registration was based on the value of the vehicle, rather than a flat fee. If you had a new or fairly new car, you might have to pay thousands of dollars each year for your registration. Fees leveled off after 12 years. I am not sure if they still do it this way or not. I don't think they do. Dan Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: No, car rego is controlled by the states, however there is a memorandum of understanding to enable people to buy cars interstate. Within the federal law there is a section that states that a state cannot hamper free trade, this is a simplification of the law but it's purpose is to stop a state from imposing a tax/duty on products from another state. Further they way it works here is that the old rego is cancelled in the respective state, you can even get a refund for the unused portion and then you get new rego and have to pay tax on the purchase price, which is stated on the ownership transfer form. Hendrik who hates paying tax but it's the price of civilisation On 08/04/12 12:06, Dan Penoff wrote: Hendrik, The problem exists because of the separation of federal and state governments here when it comes to regulating commerce within their respective state. You have federal laws governing such things, where in our case they are controlled by the individual states. Each state has different laws regarding titling and registration of vehicles, and it's a very complex thing. Part of the problem originates from the fact that registrations and titles are a revenue stream for each state, so they guard their individual processes very closely. For example, in Florida and Wisconsin, two states I have been a legal resident of, if you purchase a vehicle out of state within six months of becoming a state resident, you have to pay sales tax on the vehicle equal to what would be charged by the respective state. For example, if I bought a car while living in Wisconsin and moved to Florida within six months of buying the car in Wisconsin, when I go to register the car in Florida as a legal resident I would have to pay the difference (if any) between the sales tax I paid on it in Wisconsin and the sales tax in Florida. If Wisconsin's sales tax is 4% and Florida's is 6%, I would have to pay Florida the 2% difference when I register the car there. This is an example of how convoluted our state regulations can be Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Florida is South of the mountains. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: California likes cars but hates polluters. So there are no safety inspections and no strict tag requirements. Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that Florida is basically the Northeast without snow). Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I consider New England to be part of the the Northeast, especially when I'm talking about the whole region in general. I think those states just been around a lot longer than anyone else so they've had more time to make their bureaucracy ridiculous and hence the 'whacko's by the other poster. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:18:04 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia So are all of the northeastern states cut from the same cloth? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Over the past 20-40 years, the regs have taken a definite slant to the favor of stealers. Here, for instance, if you TRADE a car (at the stealer) they can take your plate off and put it on the new vehicle. As an individual, you have only a few days to buy a new car after you sell a car to transfer plates. It is illegal to move a plate to a car before the old one is sold. Makes no difference if is not being used or if it is junked. No dice. The old system was that when you sold a car, you turned the plates in and got a refund. It was completely independent of purchasing. When you purchased a vehicle, you bought a plate. clean and simple. Only stealers can issue a temp paper plate. In the past, johnny law let you drive a purchase (without plates) as long as you had a bill of sale within 10 days. Not sure if that still is true. SOME STATES only allow dealers to issue temp tags LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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t'other side. Florida is South of the mountains. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: California likes cars but hates polluters. So there are no safety inspections and no strict tag requirements. Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that Florida is basically the Northeast without snow). Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, Florida is one of the saner states I have lived in as far as the DMV is concerned. The only one I can think of that was better was Wisconsin. Indiana was patronage job heaven (the DMV used to be run by the governor's political party) and California was a total nightmare to try and navigate if you had anything out of the ordinary. As for the VIN verification issue, the only time you have to do it is when the title is being transferred in from out of state. If it's Florida car or a new car, VIN verification is not required. Dan Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Florida is South of the mountains. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: California likes cars but hates polluters. So there are no safety inspections and no strict tag requirements. Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that Florida is basically the Northeast without snow). Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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True, but how many states can you transfer title in at 4:00 on a Saturday afternoon? I would gladly pay for such a convenience. Not an option in any state I have lived in to-date. Dan Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Those private companies in PA are most often members of the Commonwealth and make regular trips to Harrisburg to do their business. They take your paperwork with them and process it for you for a fee so you don't have to go to Hburg to do it yourself. Takes 3 days to do in PA what you can do in most states in minutes. Mike On Apr 8, 2012 9:36 AM, Tony Wirtel tony.wir...@gmail.com wrote: te: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:48:32 -0400 From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: 067b5ef2-5876-4283-b612-16ddf251e...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That doesn't make a lot of sense. I work a block away from the county central offices, and there is a DMV branch there that's totally dead, even at lunchtime. I asked them how I should deal with the purchase and they really didn't know. The catch-22 regarding temporary tags came up, and the person there admitted that they didn't know how you would go about it, as it's impossible under the current laws to get a temporary tag if the car is not physically in the state or your possession. Duh. I called PA and they were equally clueless. It wasn't until we were at the title place in PA that the offer of a temporary tag even came up. Dan Right... the Pennsylvania bureaucracy is a special kind of confusing. For certain types of title operations you go to private companies; for certain types of drivers license things you can go to private companies, online or the state (in local centers) and for some things you can only go to the state capital by mail. And it's quite common for the people who are actively involved to tell you have to go to somewhere else for something they're responsible for. I knew that temporary tags existed for transit however I thought they used to cost 15 or 20 bucks. It seems someone in the state had a brilliant eureka moment where they thought they could raise revenue and whack out-of-state people by raising the fee by five or six times. And if I was Dan I would've said the heck with it too. Given how dramatically the fee was raised I wonder how many others say the heck with it and if today they collect as much as they used to under the old structure. Tony Wirtel Former '92 300e/2.6 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had to go to the state snooper's cop shop (70 miles away) for a VIN verification when I took a vehicle into WI to license. at the time WI was something like $25 a yr for license. The next year they changed to something like $90 a year flat rate. At the same time, I was paying $13 or $16 a year for MB 110 Diesels in a joining state, based on depreciation. A new car was hundreds there for license, but I took advantage of the depreciated rate by driving mostly old vehicles. Actually, Florida is one of the saner states I have lived in as far as the DMV is concerned. The only one I can think of that was better was Wisconsin. Indiana was patronage job heaven (the DMV used to be run by the governor's political party) and California was a total nightmare to try and navigate if you had anything out of the ordinary. As for the VIN verification issue, the only time you have to do it is when the title is being transferred in from out of state. If it's Florida car or a new car, VIN verification is not required. Dan Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Florida is South of the mountains. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: California likes cars but hates polluters. So there are no safety inspections and no strict tag requirements. Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that Florida is basically the Northeast without snow). Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Quite a few places, you cant do anything relating to the gummit after 4 pm ANY day. True, but how many states can you transfer title in at 4:00 on a Saturday afternoon? I would gladly pay for such a convenience. Not an option in any state I have lived in to-date. Dan Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Those private companies in PA are most often members of the Commonwealth and make regular trips to Harrisburg to do their business. They take your paperwork with them and process it for you for a fee so you don't have to go to Hburg to do it yourself. Takes 3 days to do in PA what you can do in most states in minutes. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Only paper plates in FL are dealer issued and good for 30 days. The dealer is also responsible for collecting all fees at the time of sale, which are forwarded to the DMV for processing. This can be problematic, as the last car I bought the dealer did not forward the fees in a timely manner and my paper plate expired. I reported this to the DMV, they issued my new plates on the spot since I had a receipt for the fees, and the dealer got a nice $500 fine for holding back my fees. Ouch! Dan Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Over the past 20-40 years, the regs have taken a definite slant to the favor of stealers. Here, for instance, if you TRADE a car (at the stealer) they can take your plate off and put it on the new vehicle. As an individual, you have only a few days to buy a new car after you sell a car to transfer plates. It is illegal to move a plate to a car before the old one is sold. Makes no difference if is not being used or if it is junked. No dice. The old system was that when you sold a car, you turned the plates in and got a refund. It was completely independent of purchasing. When you purchased a vehicle, you bought a plate. clean and simple. Only stealers can issue a temp paper plate. In the past, johnny law let you drive a purchase (without plates) as long as you had a bill of sale within 10 days. Not sure if that still is true. SOME STATES only allow dealers to issue temp tags LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
'Nother ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Only paper plates in FL are dealer issued and good for 30 days. The dealer is also responsible for collecting all fees at the time of sale, which are forwarded to the DMV for processing. This can be problematic, as the last car I bought the dealer did not forward the fees in a timely manner and my paper plate expired. I reported this to the DMV, they issued my new plates on the spot since I had a receipt for the fees, and the dealer got a nice $500 fine for holding back my fees. Ouch! Dan Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Over the past 20-40 years, the regs have taken a definite slant to the favor of stealers. Here, for instance, if you TRADE a car (at the stealer) they can take your plate off and put it on the new vehicle. As an individual, you have only a few days to buy a new car after you sell a car to transfer plates. It is illegal to move a plate to a car before the old one is sold. Makes no difference if is not being used or if it is junked. No dice. The old system was that when you sold a car, you turned the plates in and got a refund. It was completely independent of purchasing. When you purchased a vehicle, you bought a plate. clean and simple. Only stealers can issue a temp paper plate. In the past, johnny law let you drive a purchase (without plates) as long as you had a bill of sale within 10 days. Not sure if that still is true. SOME STATES only allow dealers to issue temp tags LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In Florida any state LEO can do a VIN verification - I had one of our school district security guys do one once for me! We also have community resource officers in the county who will do it at their leisure, all you have to do is call their office and ask them to come by. That's how I got the 300E done, as I wasn't driving it and I needed the VIN verified to get it titled and tagged. Indiana used to do the excise tax thing, based on the value of the car - I don't think they do it anymore, as I don't recall getting gouged on our cars when I lived there a few yard ago. Back in the day when I was growing up there, I never owned anything new enough to get dinged with the fees - I was always at the bottom of the table, so I think I paid something like $25 for my tags. Dan On Apr 8, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Dieselhead wrote: I had to go to the state snooper's cop shop (70 miles away) for a VIN verification when I took a vehicle into WI to license. at the time WI was something like $25 a yr for license. The next year they changed to something like $90 a year flat rate. At the same time, I was paying $13 or $16 a year for MB 110 Diesels in a joining state, based on depreciation. A new car was hundreds there for license, but I took advantage of the depreciated rate by driving mostly old vehicles. Actually, Florida is one of the saner states I have lived in as far as the DMV is concerned. The only one I can think of that was better was Wisconsin. Indiana was patronage job heaven (the DMV used to be run by the governor's political party) and California was a total nightmare to try and navigate if you had anything out of the ordinary. As for the VIN verification issue, the only time you have to do it is when the title is being transferred in from out of state. If it's Florida car or a new car, VIN verification is not required. Dan Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Florida is South of the mountains. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: California likes cars but hates polluters. So there are no safety inspections and no strict tag requirements. Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that Florida is basically the Northeast without snow). Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bit of a joke there by an independent minded New Englander. I was on a tractor forum one time when gay marriage was legalized here in MA. Of course tractor forums are very conservative and somebody posted What are they doing in MA? to which I responded Whatever the hell we please. Now get your dammed nose out of it! -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:18:34 -0600 From: Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: cacncphkw4fp26k9sqcckgzegshhwcu8ng1c_jxdnjk31v3i...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I consider New England to be part of the the Northeast, especially when I'm talking about the whole region in general. I think those states just been around a lot longer than anyone else so they've had more time to make their bureaucracy ridiculous and hence the 'whacko's by the other poster. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 21:18:04 -0600 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia So are all of the northeastern states cut from the same cloth? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: Indiana used to do the excise tax thing, based on the value of the car - I don't think they do it anymore They do, but it's less of a hit than in the past. It *is* deductible on your federal itemized deductions, as a small offset as well. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: Yeah, we have a coomerce clause in the constitution that is supposed to stop such BS. But our legislators cant read, and the courts believe they must look to foreign lawr to find direction (because they can't read either.) The really like sure rea law, because they could knock of f anyone they don't like under that. I don't know of any state that would not honor the temporary registration from another state. The problem here is buying a car in another state, and neither state is claiming to have a provision for temporary registration in such a case. What you might need to be asking about is a transport permit or some such, don't expect the BMV employees to suggest that as they are not the most creative folk. Also don't expect them to know the rules, if they are like the IRS there's a good chance they will answer questions incorrectly. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You'd probably need to consider the panhandle West and the peninsula East. But the Appalachian mountains end in North Georgia and Northern Alabama. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: t'other side. Florida is South of the mountains. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: California likes cars but hates polluters. So there are no safety inspections and no strict tag requirements. Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that Florida is basically the Northeast without snow). Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Another way to think about it - if they make it hard to carry a gun, they're probably going make it hard to drive :-) On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: You'd probably need to consider the panhandle West and the peninsula East. But the Appalachian mountains end in North Georgia and Northern Alabama. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: t'other side. Florida is South of the mountains. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: California likes cars but hates polluters. So there are no safety inspections and no strict tag requirements. Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on down to Virginia (and don't forget that Florida is basically the Northeast without snow). Florida is east of the Appalachians last time I checked. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS rip off
Sounds like a rip off to me, unless the remainder of the rego is transferable to the new owner. How do they get away with it? Wonder how much money they make out of duplicate registrations on vehicles? Also the system of rego based on value is stupid, insofar that the state wants people to drive relatively modern cars but imposes an extra tax on anyone who buys a newer car. Our system does have this in a sense where the tax payable when you register a car is based on value but annual renewal fees are based on the type of vehicle, so the annual cost of a new Merc is the same as one that is 20 years old. Hendrik who hates paying for rego On 08/04/12 23:30, Brian Toscano wrote: Refunds are not common but some states do/did issue them. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com wrote: No refunds here that I know of. If you sell the car before the registration expires, you simply lose the value of what you paid. Some states, like Indiana, had a system where the cost of your annual registration was based on the value of the vehicle, rather than a flat fee. If you had a new or fairly new car, you might have to pay thousands of dollars each year for your registration. Fees leveled off after 12 years. I am not sure if they still do it this way or not. I don't think they do. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is just so weird, sure over here getting a temporary registration for an un-registered car is a bit more complicated than buying a registered car but quite do able with a visit to the car rego place. Why would a state want to miss out on a few dollars (temp rego is relatively expensive) and the end result being that a vehicle shipper gets some business. Hendrik who lives in a civilised country with mostly sensible rules On 09/04/12 01:04, Allan Streib wrote: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com writes: Yeah, we have a coomerce clause in the constitution that is supposed to stop such BS. But our legislators cant read, and the courts believe they must look to foreign lawr to find direction (because they can't read either.) The really like sure rea law, because they could knock of f anyone they don't like under that. I don't know of any state that would not honor the temporary registration from another state. The problem here is buying a car in another state, and neither state is claiming to have a provision for temporary registration in such a case. What you might need to be asking about is a transport permit or some such, don't expect the BMV employees to suggest that as they are not the most creative folk. Also don't expect them to know the rules, if they are like the IRS there's a good chance they will answer questions incorrectly. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Here in Arizona, you can buy the temp registration online for $2.00, good for 3 days. If you want/need longer there is a 45 day temp registration for about $25.00 that you have to go to DMV and ask for. They are usually used for out of state cars that need a little delay in getting title sorted out or for new cars that need time to get all the dealer docs processed before issue of license. I'm stunned at how the East is shot full of overkill and paperwork. Don't the folks back east know how to vote this stuff out? On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: That is just so weird, sure over here getting a temporary registration for an un-registered car is a bit more complicated than buying a registered car but quite do able with a visit to the car rego place. Why would a state want to miss out on a few dollars (temp rego is relatively expensive) and the end result being that a vehicle shipper gets some business. Hendrik who lives in a civilised country with mostly sensible rules On 09/04/12 01:04, Allan Streib wrote: Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com** writes: Yeah, we have a coomerce clause in the constitution that is supposed to stop such BS. But our legislators cant read, and the courts believe they must look to foreign lawr to find direction (because they can't read either.) The really like sure rea law, because they could knock of f anyone they don't like under that. I don't know of any state that would not honor the temporary registration from another state. The problem here is buying a car in another state, and neither state is claiming to have a provision for temporary registration in such a case. What you might need to be asking about is a transport permit or some such, don't expect the BMV employees to suggest that as they are not the most creative folk. Also don't expect them to know the rules, if they are like the IRS there's a good chance they will answer questions incorrectly. Allan __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bingo! Brian gets a prize! Another way to think about it - if they make it hard to carry a gun, they're probably going make it hard to drive :-) Or if it is a blue state they most likely make it hard to drive. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Also the system of rego based on value is stupid, insofar that the state wants people to drive relatively modern cars but imposes an extra tax on anyone who buys a newer car. Our system does have this in a sense where the tax payable when you register a car is based on value but annual renewal fees are based on the type of vehicle, so the annual cost of a new Merc is the same as one that is 20 years old. Hendrik who hates paying for rego WELL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT POLITICIANS, GUMMIT AND GUMMIT EMPLOYEES. Why does the word stupid seem to fit in well with this group? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to impound cars over it. Mike On Apr 8, 2012 11:34 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: Yeah, we have a coomerce clause in the constitution that is supposed to stop such BS. But our legislators cant read, and the courts believe they must look to foreign lawr to find direction (because they can't read either.) The really like sure rea law, because they could knock of f anyone they don't like under that. I don't know of any state that would not honor the temporary registration from another state. The problem here is buying a car in another state, and neither state is claiming to have a provision for temporary registration in such a case. What you might need to be asking about is a transport permit or some such, don't expect the BMV employees to suggest that as they are not the most creative folk. Also don't expect them to know the rules, if they are like the IRS there's a good chance they will answer questions incorrectly. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to impound cars over it. OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable): Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal. Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of state vehicles. So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's temporary plate on a car I bought. However if I as an Indiana resident I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can drive it in/through MA legally. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So what are they trying to do here? Encourage MA residents to buy vehicles within MA? On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to impound cars over it. OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable): Massachusetts does not recognize out of state temporary plates issued to a Massachusetts resident as legal. Massachusetts does not issue temporary plates for its own residents but it does recognize legally issued temporary plates on out of state vehicles. So if I am a MA resident the state will not recognize another state's temporary plate on a car I bought. However if I as an Indiana resident I buy a car here and have a proper temporary registration then I can drive it in/through MA legally. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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lobbyists who influence the politicians too. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Also the system of rego based on value is stupid, insofar that the state wants people to drive relatively modern cars but imposes an extra tax on anyone who buys a newer car. Our system does have this in a sense where the tax payable when you register a car is based on value but annual renewal fees are based on the type of vehicle, so the annual cost of a new Merc is the same as one that is 20 years old. Hendrik who hates paying for rego WELL, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT POLITICIANS, GUMMIT AND GUMMIT EMPLOYEES. Why does the word stupid seem to fit in well with this group? __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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None of the New England states will allow a car without tags. I'm reasonably sure that applies to all of the north east. Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:26:30 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: blu0-p4-eas12872d2fbf04c82cd390d39dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: A signed title and BoS isn't good enough anymore? Nope. Have to have a tag of some sort. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I picked up my S350 from Memphis the seller was perplexed why I was so anal about getting a proper temp tag. Things are just different down there. If the cops see a car around here (Ohio) without proper tags there is a 100% chance you will get pulled over. If the cop that saw you is busy there is a 100% chance he will call it in so another unit will chase you down. Every cop car in the state pulls up your photo when they run your license. If the picture matches and you come back with no warrants from the Bureau of Criminal Identification the cop has the option not to impound the vehicle and just give you a ticket with a mandatory court appearance - but don't count on that happening. Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? In Ohio they make you pay them to verify that the vin on the car matches the title. Can't transfer the title without the car present. Cant get tags without a title. They do not give out temp tags unless the car has already been titled in Ohio. This is all to make life harder for car thieves. In reality it only makes things harder for the average joe. -Dave Walton On Apr 7, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: None of the New England states will allow a car without tags. I'm reasonably sure that applies to all of the north east. Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:26:30 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: blu0-p4-eas12872d2fbf04c82cd390d39dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: A signed title and BoS isn't good enough anymore? Nope. Have to have a tag of some sort. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The fact that the police wrote a ticket (revenue) AND made the connection to the towing/shipping company (revenue for both) leads me to suspect that the law was written by lobbyists to add money to appropriate pockets. Consider insisting on a jury trial, no jury of your peers would find you guilty, instead they would declare the law invalid, IF you hire the right lawyer. Perfect example of perversion of the law ala Frederic Bastiat. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't ever try to drive in NY without insurance and proper tags. They will impound the car, arrest you on the spot, search your car, write you tickets for unliscensed motor vehicle, uninspected motor vehicle, failure to maintain liability insurance and fraudulent use of an official document(your tag from another car is a document to them) as well as anything else they deem appropriate. Here in wonderful NY the State Troopers have units mounted to the trunk of the cruisers that automatically scan and check NY tags while the Trooper eats his donuts in the AC. By the time they get done the price of the car will go up by thousands of dollars. No insurance alone is a year without your lisence, a huge fine, a huge civil penalty($500 last I knew) to ask the state to please let me have my priviledge back and a rise in your insurance rated for the next several years. Mike On Apr 7, 2012 8:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: None of the New England states will allow a car without tags. I'm reasonably sure that applies to all of the north east. Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:26:30 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: blu0-p4-eas12872d2fbf04c82cd390d39dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: A signed title and BoS isn't good enough anymore? Nope. Have to have a tag of some sort. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My MGB Story - My long time friend had a beat up 1978 MGB he offered me for free if I would help him get the B and a 70's Chevy hippy van home from his Dad's warehouse in Bettendorf, Iowa. Needless to say I jumped on the plane with him from Muskegon, MI to Bettendorf. When we arrived I saw the poor shape of the B and the vans's engine was locked up. The B cost me about 10,000 for complete restoration and I still have and enjoy it. My buddy ended towing the van around the parking lot with a forklift, popping the clutch until it belched orange smoke from the left side of the dual exhaust and white from the other. Both vehicles had 7 year old North Carolina plates on them and neither one of us wanted to plate either one of them. We rented a tow dolly, loaded up the B, waited till dark and headed out on our 10 hour trek. I had recently stopped drinking and was not going to endanger my license or sobriety by driving this tandem anywhere, however my buddy had no such fear as he was still imbibing in the Budweiser. One 12 pak and 10 hours later we pulled in it my home unscathed and without tickets. How lucky we were in our younger days. Still sober today. Mike On Apr 6, 2012, at 4:34 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I looked into this in detail when I bought the 92 300E from Tony earlier in the year. In the case of Florida, they provide no means for purchasing a car out of state and having valid tags for it, unless you are a dealer. Pennsylvania offers temporary tags to the buyer at their expense, but if my memory serves me correctly, the price is pretty outrageous, like $90 (correct me if I am wrong, Tony.) I did what I have always done: Take the tags off another car I own, or tags from a car I sold if I was buying a replacement, proof of insurance and a signed bill of sale along with the fully executed title, and go. Sure, the law could probably give you fits if they wanted, but it's a calculated risk that is pretty small in my opinion. Dan Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: A signed title and BoS isn't good enough anymore? Who are the numb you-know-whats that elected these fools? Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '87 300SDL (322,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 4/6/2012 1:54 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car. I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square one, with a much lighter wallet. Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Once again, better living through bigger government. Amazing that we have millions of illegal aliens sneaking into this country to escape a country where you can bribe a cop and go on with life. A.. for the good old days. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Don't ever try to drive in NY without insurance and proper tags. They will impound the car, arrest you on the spot, search your car, write you tickets for unliscensed motor vehicle, uninspected motor vehicle, failure to maintain liability insurance and fraudulent use of an official document(your tag from another car is a document to them) as well as anything else they deem appropriate. Here in wonderful NY the State Troopers have units mounted to the trunk of the cruisers that automatically scan and check NY tags while the Trooper eats his donuts in the AC. By the time they get done the price of the car will go up by thousands of dollars. No insurance alone is a year without your lisence, a huge fine, a huge civil penalty($500 last I knew) to ask the state to please let me have my priviledge back and a rise in your insurance rated for the next several years. Mike On Apr 7, 2012 8:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: None of the New England states will allow a car without tags. I'm reasonably sure that applies to all of the north east. Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:26:30 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: blu0-p4-eas12872d2fbf04c82cd390d39dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: A signed title and BoS isn't good enough anymore? Nope. Have to have a tag of some sort. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This the predicament I faced. Granted, PA did offer temporary tags which I could have purchased on the spot for something like $90, but chose not to, as I would only need them for two days. This was Saturday and Monday I would title and tag the car in Florida. It was a calculated risk, but with current Florida tags on the car, a minimal one in my opinion. Florida has no provision for temporary tags - the car has to be physically present for them to issue anything, as they insist on a LEO verifying the VIN. That being the case, the only way to legally transport the car would be with temp tags from PA. Dan Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: None of the New England states will allow a car without tags. I'm reasonably sure that applies to all of the north east. Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:26:30 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: blu0-p4-eas12872d2fbf04c82cd390d39dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: A signed title and BoS isn't good enough anymore? Nope. Have to have a tag of some sort. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In Massachusetts you are allowed to use the tags of the car you intend on selling and place them on the car you are buying. Those old plates may then be transferred to the new car. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Don't ever try to drive in NY without insurance and proper tags. They will impound the car, arrest you on the spot, search your car, write you tickets for unliscensed motor vehicle, uninspected motor vehicle, failure to maintain liability insurance and fraudulent use of an official document(your tag from another car is a document to them) as well as anything else they deem appropriate. Here in wonderful NY the State Troopers have units mounted to the trunk of the cruisers that automatically scan and check NY tags while the Trooper eats his donuts in the AC. By the time they get done the price of the car will go up by thousands of dollars. No insurance alone is a year without your lisence, a huge fine, a huge civil penalty($500 last I knew) to ask the state to please let me have my priviledge back and a rise in your insurance rated for the next several years. Mike On Apr 7, 2012 8:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: None of the New England states will allow a car without tags. I'm reasonably sure that applies to all of the north east. Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:26:30 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: blu0-p4-eas12872d2fbf04c82cd390d39dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: A signed title and BoS isn't good enough anymore? Nope. Have to have a tag of some sort. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Same in Florida. Dan On Apr 7, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: In Massachusetts you are allowed to use the tags of the car you intend on selling and place them on the car you are buying. Those old plates may then be transferred to the new car. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Don't ever try to drive in NY without insurance and proper tags. They will impound the car, arrest you on the spot, search your car, write you tickets for unliscensed motor vehicle, uninspected motor vehicle, failure to maintain liability insurance and fraudulent use of an official document(your tag from another car is a document to them) as well as anything else they deem appropriate. Here in wonderful NY the State Troopers have units mounted to the trunk of the cruisers that automatically scan and check NY tags while the Trooper eats his donuts in the AC. By the time they get done the price of the car will go up by thousands of dollars. No insurance alone is a year without your lisence, a huge fine, a huge civil penalty($500 last I knew) to ask the state to please let me have my priviledge back and a rise in your insurance rated for the next several years. Mike On Apr 7, 2012 8:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: None of the New England states will allow a car without tags. I'm reasonably sure that applies to all of the north east. Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:26:30 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: blu0-p4-eas12872d2fbf04c82cd390d39dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: A signed title and BoS isn't good enough anymore? Nope. Have to have a tag of some sort. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had no idea it was that big of a deal. Next time I will pop for the temporary tag. Dan On Apr 7, 2012, at 9:44 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Once again, better living through bigger government. Amazing that we have millions of illegal aliens sneaking into this country to escape a country where you can bribe a cop and go on with life. A.. for the good old days. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Don't ever try to drive in NY without insurance and proper tags. They will impound the car, arrest you on the spot, search your car, write you tickets for unliscensed motor vehicle, uninspected motor vehicle, failure to maintain liability insurance and fraudulent use of an official document(your tag from another car is a document to them) as well as anything else they deem appropriate. Here in wonderful NY the State Troopers have units mounted to the trunk of the cruisers that automatically scan and check NY tags while the Trooper eats his donuts in the AC. By the time they get done the price of the car will go up by thousands of dollars. No insurance alone is a year without your lisence, a huge fine, a huge civil penalty($500 last I knew) to ask the state to please let me have my priviledge back and a rise in your insurance rated for the next several years. Mike On Apr 7, 2012 8:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: None of the New England states will allow a car without tags. I'm reasonably sure that applies to all of the north east. Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:26:30 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: blu0-p4-eas12872d2fbf04c82cd390d39dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: A signed title and BoS isn't good enough anymore? Nope. Have to have a tag of some sort. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Funny how I lay awake thinking how much better life could be living free of government intrusions in Mexico while they break the law to come here for the exact opposite reason. Mike On Apr 7, 2012 9:44 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Once again, better living through bigger government. Amazing that we have millions of illegal aliens sneaking into this country to escape a country where you can bribe a cop and go on with life. A.. for the good old days. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Don't ever try to drive in NY without insurance and proper tags. They will impound the car, arrest you on the spot, search your car, write you tickets for unliscensed motor vehicle, uninspected motor vehicle, failure to maintain liability insurance and fraudulent use of an official document(your tag from another car is a document to them) as well as anything else they deem appropriate. Here in wonderful NY the State Troopers have units mounted to the trunk of the cruisers that automatically scan and check NY tags while the Trooper eats his donuts in the AC. By the time they get done the price of the car will go up by thousands of dollars. No insurance alone is a year without your lisence, a huge fine, a huge civil penalty($500 last I knew) to ask the state to please let me have my priviledge back and a rise in your insurance rated for the next several years. Mike On Apr 7, 2012 8:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: None of the New England states will allow a car without tags. I'm reasonably sure that applies to all of the north east. Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:26:30 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: blu0-p4-eas12872d2fbf04c82cd390d39dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: A signed title and BoS isn't good enough anymore? Nope. Have to have a tag of some sort. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I see so many vehicles running around without licence plates. In the good old days, you'd get pulled over in a flash. Now, being an illegal is as good as badge amerika It is a free pass. If you look like an illegal, they don't even bother to pull you over for anything. meanwhile, if you are a citizen, you PAY! Our state house just passed a ban of traffic cameras. It has huge public support, and support form both parties. the bill was sent to the senate, where Kommisar Gronstal, our own little Mussolini killed the bill. Ain't life in the USSA wonnerful? Once again, better living through bigger government. Amazing that we have millions of illegal aliens sneaking into this country to escape a country where you can bribe a cop and go on with life. A.. for the good old days. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Don't ever try to drive in NY without insurance and proper tags. They will impound the car, arrest you on the spot, search your car, write you tickets for unliscensed motor vehicle, uninspected motor vehicle, failure to maintain liability insurance and fraudulent use of an official document(your tag from another car is a document to them) as well as anything else they deem appropriate. Here in wonderful NY the State Troopers have units mounted to the trunk of the cruisers that automatically scan and check NY tags while the Trooper eats his donuts in the AC. By the time they get done the price of the car will go up by thousands of dollars. No insurance alone is a year without your lisence, a huge fine, a huge civil penalty($500 last I knew) to ask the state to please let me have my priviledge back and a rise in your insurance rated for the next several years. Mike On Apr 7, 2012 8:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: None of the New England states will allow a car without tags. I'm reasonably sure that applies to all of the north east. Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:26:30 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: blu0-p4-eas12872d2fbf04c82cd390d39dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Apr 6, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote: A signed title and BoS isn't good enough anymore? Nope. Have to have a tag of some sort. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've never actually tried that with a private sale but when we bought the Ranger they (the dealer) took the plates off the Dakota and put them on the Ranger. That was on Saturday, on Tuesday (Monday was a holiday I think) they got the paperwork fixed so the registration slip matched the truck. I'd sort of assumed I could do the same thing with a private sale but never actually tried. -Curt Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 06:58:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: 1333807112.67482.yext-apple-iph...@web113202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In Massachusetts you are allowed to use the tags of the car you intend on selling and place them on the car you are buying. Those old plates may then be transferred to the new car. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Don't ever try to drive in NY without insurance and proper tags. They will impound the car, arrest you on the spot, search your car, write you tickets for unliscensed motor vehicle, uninspected motor vehicle, failure to maintain liability insurance and fraudulent use of an official document(your tag from another car is a document to them) as well as anything else they deem appropriate. Here in wonderful NY the State Troopers have units mounted to the trunk of the cruisers that automatically scan and check NY tags while the Trooper eats his donuts in the AC. By the time they get done the price of the car will go up by thousands of dollars. No insurance alone is a year without your lisence, a huge fine, a huge civil penalty($500 last I knew) to ask the state to please let me have my priviledge back and a rise in your insurance rated for the next several years. Mike On Apr 7, 2012 8:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: None of the New England states will allow a car without tags. I'm reasonably sure that applies to all of the north east. Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So a coupla years ago my wife decided we need to go to Ecuador on a holiday. We were supposed to go to Quito but it was fogged in so the plane went to Guayaquil and the airline put us up for the night, maybe manana they will get us to Quito. Maybe. We were going to pick up a car in Quito and drive south, but it turned out getting a car in Guayaquil and going north was about the same deal and less hassle, so we did that. The car was new, and had no tags on it. I asked the guy at the rental place about that, he said no problemo just show the papers. OK. Guyaquil was a quite the city, getting out of there was an interesting experience. So anyway we were driving out across country in a very rural area, the call of nature announced itself, we figured we would find some sort of gas station or restaurant or something but civilization as we know it was pretty sparse. So we turned down a little dirt road, my son and I got out to commune with nature in amongst some sort of agricultural products, some kind of fruit bushes they have there, back in the car and off we go. About a mile down the road we pass some sort of cop car sitting on the side of the road, I had seen him back behind us earlier parked, figured that while we were engaged in our biological imperative he had driven past. Shonuff he turns on the lights and comes up behind, I pull over wondering WTF as I was being good about speed limits. My daughter speaks espanol quite well, and my son knows some, and I can sorta understand. Anyway, he wants our documentos so I give him my DL and the car documentos, and then I start thinking he is gonna bust me for no tags. He comes back in a few minutes, hands me my stuff, then says something I don't understand, and my daughter didn't get it either. Then the cop points to his nose and blows some air out his mouth. I had no idea what this was about. Finally my son says that he saw us studying the hydrology of the area and thinks we are borracho. So I kinda start laughing, he is trying to keep from laughing, and I blow into his face and he smiles and says, OK buenas tardes amigos and off we go. A calibrated breathalyzer nose I guess. No issue with the tags, I figured he was going to hit me up for a little dinero to make things bueno, but he was pretty nice and bored I guess, so was pretty easy on us. He looked like an old fat bored cop with nothing better to do. They drove like insane maniacs there, having got my experience in Boston it was no big deal but I figured most anything goes there but borracho driving was a no-no. --R On 4/7/12 11:14 AM, Dieselhead wrote: I see so many vehicles running around without licence plates. In the good old days, you'd get pulled over in a flash. Now, being an illegal is as good as badge amerika It is a free pass. If you look like an illegal, they don't even bother to pull you over for anything. meanwhile, if you are a citizen, you PAY! Our state house just passed a ban of traffic cameras. It has huge public support, and support form both parties. the bill was sent to the senate, where Kommisar Gronstal, our own little Mussolini killed the bill. Ain't life in the USSA wonnerful? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For three days only and with the consent of your insurer. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 4/7/2012 9:58 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: In Massachusetts you are allowed to use the tags of the car you intend on selling and place them on the car you are buying. Those old plates may then be transferred to the new car. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Who said anything about driving without insurance? Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes: Don't ever try to drive in NY without insurance and proper tags. They will impound the car, arrest you on the spot, search your car, write you tickets for unliscensed motor vehicle, uninspected motor vehicle, failure to maintain liability insurance and fraudulent use of an official document(your tag from another car is a document to them) as well as anything else they deem appropriate. Here in wonderful NY the State Troopers have units mounted to the trunk of the cruisers that automatically scan and check NY tags while the Trooper eats his donuts in the AC. By the time they get done the price of the car will go up by thousands of dollars. No insurance alone is a year without your lisence, a huge fine, a huge civil penalty($500 last I knew) to ask the state to please let me have my priviledge back and a rise in your insurance rated for the next several years. Mike -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home state of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you have a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. When I have purchased cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on it and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the previous owners tags, or (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out to the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car. I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square one, with a much lighter wallet. Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it. Insurance usually happens first and only requires the VIN. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home state of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you have a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. When I have purchased cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on it and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the previous owners tags, or (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out to the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote: Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car. I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square one, with a much lighter wallet. Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There is no reason why you would not have valid insurance unless you were purposely avoiding it. The two scenarios I have personally used are: 1.) Purchasing a vehicle I am replacing an existing one with I have 30 days to notify the carrier, but I am covered automatically - State Farm/Allstate. 2.) Purchasing a new vehicle (adding to the policy) I only have to notify the insurer upon purchase - Allstate (don't know about State Farm on this.) When I bought Tony's 300E, before I left with the car I called Allstate's 800 number, gave them the details, and I was covered. I did have a copy of my insurance card with me as well. Dan On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it. Insurance usually happens first and only requires the VIN. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote: You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home state of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you have a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. When I have purchased cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on it and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the previous owners tags, or (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out to the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote: Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car. I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square one, with a much lighter wallet. Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan, I am not sure of the details of auto insurance and state laws. The last time I purchased a vehicle in PA the seller told me you are automatically covered for 30 days (he had Allstate at the time) even if you don't notify them. If I have put my tags on the car (the seller removed theirs) I would just call my insurance company and tell them I now have this car. If I was ever stopped (before receiving the new insurance card) I would just tell them I just bought it and haven't received the new card yet, but it is on the policy. Usually if the seller is leaving their tags on the car, they can't cancel the insurance, so it is covered that way. I believe it is illegal to have the same item covered under more than one policy at the same time. As for temporary tags, I have never bothered with temporary tags unless buying from a dealer who required them. In Rich's case I would have just taken an existing tag I had and put that on the car. If I was stopped, I would just explain I just bought it, here is the stack of paperwork, and when I get back home I'll get it all finalized with the title tag office - operating under the presumption better to have a tag that's in your name than no tag at all. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: There is no reason why you would not have valid insurance unless you were purposely avoiding it. The two scenarios I have personally used are: 1.) Purchasing a vehicle I am replacing an existing one with I have 30 days to notify the carrier, but I am covered automatically - State Farm/Allstate. 2.) Purchasing a new vehicle (adding to the policy) I only have to notify the insurer upon purchase - Allstate (don't know about State Farm on this.) When I bought Tony's 300E, before I left with the car I called Allstate's 800 number, gave them the details, and I was covered. I did have a copy of my insurance card with me as well. Dan On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it. Insurance usually happens first and only requires the VIN. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home state of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you have a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. When I have purchased cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on it and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the previous owners tags, or (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out to the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car. I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square one, with a much lighter wallet. Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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I have driven many cars cross country with no tags at all an never been pulled over. If I was all you need is the title and/or bill of sale Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home state of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you have a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. When I have purchased cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on it and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the previous owners tags, or (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out to the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back. On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a long story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we do NOT live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because of red tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can use a trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one (very expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the chance of losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from another car. I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and in the state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of a vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to square one, with a much lighter wallet. Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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In ok you have 30 days to transfer the title. It's automatically covered by your insurance company even without adding it to your policy as long as you have a bill o sale. Half the cars I buy I just come up with a new bill of sale every 30 days. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2012, at 11:27 AM, Fred Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: For three days only and with the consent of your insurer. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 4/7/2012 9:58 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: In Massachusetts you are allowed to use the tags of the car you intend on selling and place them on the car you are buying. Those old plates may then be transferred to the new car. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dan Penoff wrote: I had no idea it was that big of a deal. If you're legal according to your state, or the state the plate belongs to, I would assume no other state could touch you, but you might have fun proving you're legal. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would have to go back and check, but if memory serves me correctly, Florida gives you 10 days to register the vehicle. They don't state a time period for titling, but assuming you're registering it as well I would suspect it's 10 days as well. All they require is a fully executed bill of sale and a VIN verification by an LEO, which they have present at all DMV locations. If you are an out-of-state resident, purchased a vehicle in Florida and want to drive it back home, you are eligible to obtain a temporary license plate for in-transit purposes. However, proof of insurance (from Florida or home state), proof of out of state residency such as a driver license, and sales tax in the amount required by your home state must be paid. If you feel you may be eligible for a temporarylicense plate, inquire through the local county tax collector's office. Your local tax collector is your best source for questions about title and registration, find their contact information here. If you are not a dealer, but you have acquired another vehicle and transferred your license plate from your old vehicle to the new vehicle, a temporary license plate may be obtained from the tax collector's office so you may demonstrate your old vehicle while it is for sale. If you are a Florida resident and purchased a vehicle through a private sale, you cannot apply for a temporary tag. You and the current owner need to go to the local tax collector's office and transfer the title to your name and purchase registration in your name. This is the conundrum I ran into with the 300E, although I could have dealt with it by purchasing a temporary tag from PA, which it appears can be done under similar situations in Florida. The only problem with this is that you have to be able to go to a license branch, which limits you to regular business hours. In the case of PA, they have designated places that are open on Saturdays to do all the title work, so it was an option when I did it. You're also paying sales tax in Florida, which will be credited back to your state when you register and title the car (Florida does this as well.) I don't think that was the case in PA - I think it was just a straight fee. If it was a tax that I would have got applied to my taxes in Florida, I would have done it just for the convenience. Dan On Apr 7, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: I had no idea it was that big of a deal. If you're legal according to your state, or the state the plate belongs to, I would assume no other state could touch you, but you might have fun proving you're legal. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'd believe what my ins. agent (USAA) tells me, but I sure as etc. wouldn't
believe (depend on for my security) what a seller tells me ('may be true,
but one needs to take care of certain things for himself; insurance is one
of 'em). I'd call USAA, give 'em the new VIN; agent tells me it's covered;
might even send me a doc. via FAX to that effect.
Wilton
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Dan,
I am not sure of the details of auto insurance and state laws. The last
time I purchased a vehicle in PA the seller told me you are automatically
covered for 30 days (he had Allstate at the time) even if you don't notify
them.
If I have put my tags on the car (the seller removed theirs) I would just
call my insurance company and tell them I now have this car. If I was
ever
stopped (before receiving the new insurance card) I would just tell them I
just bought it and haven't received the new card yet, but it is on the
policy. Usually if the seller is leaving their tags on the car, they
can't
cancel the insurance, so it is covered that way. I believe it is illegal
to have the same item covered under more than one policy at the same time.
As for temporary tags,
I have never bothered with temporary tags unless buying from a dealer who
required them.
In Rich's case I would have just taken an existing tag I had and put that
on the car. If I was stopped, I would just explain I just bought it, here
is the stack of paperwork, and when I get back home I'll get it all
finalized with the title tag office - operating under the presumption
better to have a tag that's in your name than no tag at all.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
There is no reason why you would not have valid insurance unless you were
purposely avoiding it. The two scenarios I have personally used are:
1.) Purchasing a vehicle I am replacing an existing one with I have 30
days to notify the carrier, but I am covered automatically - State
Farm/Allstate.
2.) Purchasing a new vehicle (adding to the policy) I only have to notify
the insurer upon purchase - Allstate (don't know about State Farm on
this.)
When I bought Tony's 300E, before I left with the car I called Allstate's
800 number, gave them the details, and I was covered. I did have a copy
of
my insurance card with me as well.
Dan
On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it. Insurance
usually happens first and only requires the VIN.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com
wrote:
You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home
state
of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you
have
a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. When I have
purchased
cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on
it
and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the
previous
owners tags, or (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out
to
the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a
long
story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we
do NOT
live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely
restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to
purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because
of red
tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can
use a
trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one
(very
expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the
chance of
losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from
another
car.
I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV
will
not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and
in the
state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of
a
vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to
square
one, with a much lighter wallet.
Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I have driven many cars cross country with no tags at all an never been pulled over. If I was all you need is the title and/or bill of sale Cough*bs*cough. I believe you are lucky. I will do the research for other states in a few days, but in MD, you have to have a plate. I will scan the ticket and the tow receipt if you would like proof. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
On Apr 7, 2012, at 7:42 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Rick, if you've got the title why not just get some real tags? Indiana requires a VIN check on vehicles purchased out of state. In state, I could've gotten a temp tag. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
On Apr 7, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home state of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you have a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. I have a ticket and tow receipt proving that to be a problem. (a) slapped one of my current tags on it and driven it with the title in my possession, I should've done that. Some police have plate scanners that can scan quite a few plates a minute. I would've put a plate on from another Benz 300d, just a different year and color. Your average doughnut eater would probably not catch that. (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out to the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back. Need a VIN check in Indiana. Got to have the car first. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
On Apr 7, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Mike Esh michael...@me.com wrote: Still sober today. I haven't had a drink in eleven years. I still do stupid things though, like attempting to drive 800 miles in a car with no plates. As expensive as this Benz and my Benz addiction may be, it is considerably cheaper than some habits I have given up. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
Yeah, I was just commenting on what Dan mentioned. I generally put
insurance on the car as soon as I can by contacting my carrier.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I'd believe what my ins. agent (USAA) tells me, but I sure as etc.
wouldn't believe (depend on for my security) what a seller tells me ('may
be true, but one needs to take care of certain things for himself;
insurance is one of 'em). I'd call USAA, give 'em the new VIN; agent tells
me it's covered; might even send me a doc. via FAX to that effect.
Wilton
- Original Message - From: Brian Toscano
brian.tosc...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
Dan,
I am not sure of the details of auto insurance and state laws. The last
time I purchased a vehicle in PA the seller told me you are automatically
covered for 30 days (he had Allstate at the time) even if you don't notify
them.
If I have put my tags on the car (the seller removed theirs) I would just
call my insurance company and tell them I now have this car. If I was
ever
stopped (before receiving the new insurance card) I would just tell them I
just bought it and haven't received the new card yet, but it is on the
policy. Usually if the seller is leaving their tags on the car, they
can't
cancel the insurance, so it is covered that way. I believe it is illegal
to have the same item covered under more than one policy at the same time.
As for temporary tags,
I have never bothered with temporary tags unless buying from a dealer who
required them.
In Rich's case I would have just taken an existing tag I had and put that
on the car. If I was stopped, I would just explain I just bought it, here
is the stack of paperwork, and when I get back home I'll get it all
finalized with the title tag office - operating under the presumption
better to have a tag that's in your name than no tag at all.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
There is no reason why you would not have valid insurance unless you were
purposely avoiding it. The two scenarios I have personally used are:
1.) Purchasing a vehicle I am replacing an existing one with I have 30
days to notify the carrier, but I am covered automatically - State
Farm/Allstate.
2.) Purchasing a new vehicle (adding to the policy) I only have to notify
the insurer upon purchase - Allstate (don't know about State Farm on
this.)
When I bought Tony's 300E, before I left with the car I called Allstate's
800 number, gave them the details, and I was covered. I did have a copy
of
my insurance card with me as well.
Dan
On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:44 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
You can insure the vehicle independent of registering it. Insurance
usually happens first and only requires the VIN.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Brian Toscano
brian.tosc...@gmail.com
wrote:
You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home
state
of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you
have
a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. When I have
purchased
cars out of state I have either (a) slapped one of my current tags on
it
and driven it with the title in my possession, (b) driven with the
previous
owners tags, or (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out
to
the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Well, I'm home. My car, a 1992 Mercedes 300D is not... yet. It is a
long
story, for another time. (I should start a blog). Suffice to say, we
do NOT
live in the land of freedom anymore. Interstate commerce is extremely
restricted, to the point where it is difficult, if not impossible, to
purchase a vehicle in one state, and drive it home, legally, because
of red
tape and prohibitive laws. You can pay a shipper big money or you can
use a
trailer and tow it. You could use a dealer tag if you could get one
(very
expensive for a dealers license here). If you wanted to take the
chance of
losing the car to an impound, you could put a plate on it from
another
car.
I was not going to take that chance. In the state of Indiana the BMV
will
not issue a temp tag for transport from another state to Indiana and
in the
state of Maryland the BMV will not issue a temp tag for transport of
a
vehicle purchased there to another state. Quite a catch 22. Back to
square
one, with a much lighter wallet.
Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
I was a long time State Farm customer, and it was my understanding that no
matter what, when I bought a new car I was automatically covered for 30 days.
When I checked with my Allstate guy (with whom I am insured now) he told me
that if I was replacing an existing car on the policy the 30 day rule was
valid. If I was adding a car to the policy, it was my responsibility to
contact Allstate upon purchase and the car would be covered. Coverage would
not be automatic in the case of adding to the policy - only if an existing
insured vehicle was replaced with another.
Dan
On Apr 7, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Brian Toscano wrote:
Yeah, I was just commenting on what Dan mentioned. I generally put
insurance on the car as soon as I can by contacting my carrier.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 2:23 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I'd believe what my ins. agent (USAA) tells me, but I sure as etc.
wouldn't believe (depend on for my security) what a seller tells me ('may
be true, but one needs to take care of certain things for himself;
insurance is one of 'em). I'd call USAA, give 'em the new VIN; agent tells
me it's covered; might even send me a doc. via FAX to that effect.
Wilton
- Original Message - From: Brian Toscano
brian.tosc...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
Dan,
I am not sure of the details of auto insurance and state laws. The last
time I purchased a vehicle in PA the seller told me you are automatically
covered for 30 days (he had Allstate at the time) even if you don't notify
them.
If I have put my tags on the car (the seller removed theirs) I would just
call my insurance company and tell them I now have this car. If I was
ever
stopped (before receiving the new insurance card) I would just tell them I
just bought it and haven't received the new card yet, but it is on the
policy. Usually if the seller is leaving their tags on the car, they
can't
cancel the insurance, so it is covered that way. I believe it is illegal
to have the same item covered under more than one policy at the same time.
As for temporary tags,
I have never bothered with temporary tags unless buying from a dealer who
required them.
In Rich's case I would have just taken an existing tag I had and put that
on the car. If I was stopped, I would just explain I just bought it, here
is the stack of paperwork, and when I get back home I'll get it all
finalized with the title tag office - operating under the presumption
better to have a tag that's in your name than no tag at all.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
There is no reason why you would not have valid insurance unless you were
purposely avoiding it. The two scenarios I have personally used are:
1.) Purchasing a vehicle I am replacing an existing one with I have 30
days to notify the carrier, but I am covered automatically - State
Farm/Allstate.
2.) Purchasing a new vehicle (adding to the policy) I only have to notify
the insurer upon purchase - Allstate (don't know about State Farm on
this.)
When I bought Tony's 300E, before I left with the car I called Allstate's
800 number, gave them the details, and I was covered. I did have a copy
of
my insurance card with me as well.
Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
I never thought about using one from a similar vehicle - I just used a valid tag that had the same name as my driver's license. So what are you going to do now? Fly back to Maryland with an Indiana tag? Every state has it quirks in registration and titling. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 7, 2012, at 1:44 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: You bought a car in Maryland and wish to title tag it in your home state of Indiana. Just drive it back with the paperwork in the car. If you have a signed title then there shouldn't be any problem. I have a ticket and tow receipt proving that to be a problem. (a) slapped one of my current tags on it and driven it with the title in my possession, I should've done that. Some police have plate scanners that can scan quite a few plates a minute. I would've put a plate on from another Benz 300d, just a different year and color. Your average doughnut eater would probably not catch that. (c) titled tagged it when I was at home and flew out to the vehicle, bolted my tag on it, and driven it back. Need a VIN check in Indiana. Got to have the car first. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
Thats actually where it gets very interesting. When I was going to buy the Quantum from Wonko IA was quite willing to give me a temp tag for an inexpensive price. MA doesn't honor temp tags and in a discussion with a clerk at the RMV I was told I could be pulled over and impounded and hauled off to jail for having temp tags. I pointed out that people drive through MA with NH and ME temp tags all the time and the police let them go, she stuck to her guns that it was illegal and those people could go to jail... -Curt Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 15:42:33 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: 4f8098a9.1010...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dan Penoff wrote: I had no idea it was that big of a deal. If you're legal according to your state, or the state the plate belongs to, I would assume no other state could touch you, but you might have fun proving you're legal. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
That doesn't make a lot of sense. I work a block away from the county central offices, and there is a DMV branch there that's totally dead, even at lunchtime. I asked them how I should deal with the purchase and they really didn't know. The catch-22 regarding temporary tags came up, and the person there admitted that they didn't know how you would go about it, as it's impossible under the current laws to get a temporary tag if the car is not physically in the state or your possession. Duh. I called PA and they were equally clueless. It wasn't until we were at the title place in PA that the offer of a temporary tag even came up. Dan On Apr 7, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Thats actually where it gets very interesting. When I was going to buy the Quantum from Wonko IA was quite willing to give me a temp tag for an inexpensive price. MA doesn't honor temp tags and in a discussion with a clerk at the RMV I was told I could be pulled over and impounded and hauled off to jail for having temp tags. I pointed out that people drive through MA with NH and ME temp tags all the time and the police let them go, she stuck to her guns that it was illegal and those people could go to jail... -Curt Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 15:42:33 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID: 4f8098a9.1010...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dan Penoff wrote: I had no idea it was that big of a deal. If you're legal according to your state, or the state the plate belongs to, I would assume no other state could touch you, but you might have fun proving you're legal. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
On Apr 7, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: So what are you going to do now? Fly back to Maryland with an Indiana tag? Plan A is to have the car shipped back. I have already contracted with a shipper, but in my limited experience, these shippers ( who are actually brokers I believe) are unreliable. Plan B1 is to have a friend of mine, who is unemployed but has access to a dealer tag, fly out and drive it back for a few bucks. Plan B2 is fly out with the other Benz tag and drive it home. Plan B3 is to up the cost and actually contract with a known good shipper. With the feedback I have gotten here, I realize I am not the only one who has attempted this feat, just the one who got caught. There is consolation in knowing that I am not a complete idiot, just unlucky. Hopefully, my experience will save someone here a whole bunch of aggravation, money, grief, and time when they are faced with similar circumstances. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
NJ is very strict... I've been involved in a few situations that didn't go well a few years ago... luckily it was never me directly. In one case, the car was impounded because we couldn't provide proof of insurance (but we did have insurance, just no proof). Other times resulted in lots of tickets, but no impound. In NJ, the key is insurance. If you don't have it, you're in trouble. Most state police cars now drive around with the license plate scanning technology. So you use an expired plate or one from another car, they catch you just by driving by. I suppose if you use a valid plate from a very similar car, you can get away with it. But I don't take any chances now. In state, I always arrange to buy cars during the week so I can goto the local DMV and register it with insurance before driving. Or I just take the title and come back for the car a few days later after I register it. Out of state is still difficult. NJ is another state that will offer non-residents 30 day temp tags (with proof of insurance), but nothing for people in state. Jaime On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I have driven many cars cross country with no tags at all an never been pulled over. If I was all you need is the title and/or bill of sale Cough*bs*cough. I believe you are lucky. I will do the research for other states in a few days, but in MD, you have to have a plate. I will scan the ticket and the tow receipt if you would like proof. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating
So these scanners are more than license plate scanners, they are whole car scanners that can tell if you have a tag on the wrong car? I think the key to avoid major problems in NJ is to have a stack of PBA cards :-) On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: NJ is very strict... I've been involved in a few situations that didn't go well a few years ago... luckily it was never me directly. In one case, the car was impounded because we couldn't provide proof of insurance (but we did have insurance, just no proof). Other times resulted in lots of tickets, but no impound. In NJ, the key is insurance. If you don't have it, you're in trouble. Most state police cars now drive around with the license plate scanning technology. So you use an expired plate or one from another car, they catch you just by driving by. I suppose if you use a valid plate from a very similar car, you can get away with it. But I don't take any chances now. In state, I always arrange to buy cars during the week so I can goto the local DMV and register it with insurance before driving. Or I just take the title and come back for the car a few days later after I register it. Out of state is still difficult. NJ is another state that will offer non-residents 30 day temp tags (with proof of insurance), but nothing for people in state. Jaime On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Apr 7, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I have driven many cars cross country with no tags at all an never been pulled over. If I was all you need is the title and/or bill of sale Cough*bs*cough. I believe you are lucky. I will do the research for other states in a few days, but in MD, you have to have a plate. I will scan the ticket and the tow receipt if you would like proof. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
