Re: [newbie-it] problemi con il kernel
Maurizio Conti wrote: Ciao a tutti, scusate se mi intrometto, ma anche io ho lo stesso problema. Cosa significa "nella directory in cui sto non c'e` un Makefile" Cos'รจ un make file?? man make gv /usr/doc/pmake-2.1.34/tutorial.psc make e` un programma usatissimo dagli sviluppatori per costruire e distribuire i pacchetti software. Supponiamo di avere un pacchettto costituito da piu` subroutine che devono essere compilate e lincate in un eseguibile che successivamente deve essere installato insieme a delle librerie. Uno degli usi piu` comuni di make e` appunto quello di compiere tutte queste operazioni seguendo le istruzioni elencate in un Makefile. Nei pacchetti distribuiti in sorgente c'e` uno script "configure" che si incarica appunto di costruire un Makefile con le opzioni di compilazione e installazione adatte alla macchina utilizzata. Queste istruzioni possono essere suddivise per obiettivi (target) da realizzare in successione o indipendentemente. Prendendo ad esempio i pacchetti di installazione tar.gz make realizza il primo obiettivo ed e` di norma equivalente a "make nome_programma" make install installa il pacchetto Siccome il target "install" dipende da "nome_programma", se lancio direttamente "make install", verra` prima eseguito "make nome_programma". Questo meccanismo di dipendenze serve moltissimo in fase di sviluppo, perche' make ricompilera` solo le subroutine che sono state modificate (sorgente + recente del compilato). L'uso di make e` molto piu` generale e puo` essere pensato come il prototipo della programmazione ad oggetti. make e` presente fin dalle primissime versioni di Unix, decenni prima che si parlasse di programmazione ad oggetti. ciao, Andrea
Re: [newbie] partitioning
It was Sep 28, 2000, 23:25, when [EMAIL PROTECTED] keyboarded: are their any partitioning programs available in the distro, i need to readjust my partition so i have more room You can use FIPS, which is a freeware DOS program that comes in the DOSUTILS dir. You can also go to www.freshmeat.net and search for GNUParted (GNU Partition Editor) Paul -- Obeying their rules only encourages them to create new ones. Disobey as often as possible: for gain, for sport, for the art of it. -Ethan Mordden http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
OT: [was RE: [newbie] linux vs. windows. vs. tanks batmobiles ]
-Original Message- From: Larry Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 6:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] The finale of the linux vs. windows. vs. tanks batmobiles :) Look at existing realities rather than speculation. Microsoft has announced that they will likely produce only one more MS-Office upgrade before this product becomes an Internet-server distributed product. Why is this a bad thing (technology-wise), besides the fact that I don't want to rent software and that the internet probably can't handle this type of thing. Let's say for the sake of argument that Star Office was available for free via an ASP and the user experience would be as if s/he had it installed locally -- would this still be a bad thing. I'm genuinely curious Bill Gates is a very wise businessman. He knows that to make money you have to create products that people will pay for. Manufacturing air is not good business as right now everyone gets it free. In the next few years this will be the case for desktop software. Do we hate MS software because of Bill Gates, or because of the techical merit of their programmers, or because of it's environment/culture, or all of the above.
Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush
So run your email through a filter before downloading it? Combine that with serious bitching at your phone company for being overpriced. clipped to reduce $$$ No it is not that simple. I frequently used to work overseas. I collected my e-mail using a laptop/cellphone, often at 2400bps due to poor international connectivity, at International roaming rates ($1.60/minute). At that rate, a 10k (with headers) post would take over 40 seconds to download, costing me personally over a buck. Multiply that up by the number of off-topic posts in this forum recently, and it adds up to a lot of money! Maybe I should start invoicing the posters...
[newbie] Backing up all files changed since install
Hello Lists! I'm posting this to both expert and newbie because I'm not sure how much cross subscription goes on, and I'm not exactly sure what catagory this message falls into. I'm going to be installing a Mandrake system soon, and I know you can back up the file that has the install prefrences, so you can repeat the same install at a later date. Since I'm setting up a server, I'm going to be installing a few RPMs, changing some files, adding some things etc. Once this is done I would like to backup eveything that has changed or been added since install (RPM Database, any changed files, new files, etc). This way someone could very easly format the HD, reinstall via the saved settings, the put the changes back onto the system via my selective back up. Any ideas how to do this? Thanks, Matt G. Ellis Matt G. Ellis Me spell chucker work grate. Need grandma chicken.
Re: [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush
*hands you the keys to a nice shiny station wagon* you're right the tanks are hard to use why bother ..enjoy the car. Lonny -- driving away in tank =) Uh...the free tanks are hard to use. dwyatt
Re: [newbie] Just wondering...
It was Sep 29, 2000, 11:03, when [EMAIL PROTECTED] keyboarded: While reading a UNIX book I was wondering (chapter mounting), how does a device (for example a CDROM player or a disk drive) appear in the /dev directory ? The book told me that when you for example mount a floppy drive it should look something like this: mount /dev/floppy2 /medium But how does the floppy2 gets into the dev directory !? Thanx in advantage, Hoi Niels, groetjes uit Nederland ;) The installer-program will do it's best to detect all your hardware. For each part of hardware, and also for the most common devices, an entry in the /dev directory is made. You can later on, when you know a lot about linux, create a new device through certain commands (which I can't recall at the moment since you barely ever need them). Paul -- Obeying their rules only encourages them to create new ones. Disobey as often as possible: for gain, for sport, for the art of it. -Ethan Mordden http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
Re: [newbie] Failed installation
It was Sep 29, 2000, 14:38, when Grant Walton keyboarded: As I say, I only saw the message once, and then briefly - a whole list of 'semi-colons missing from line' then the line numbers of a file which I must admit I didn't make a note of. Having tried the installation several times in different ways, I have only seen this message once. Usually the installation routine just ends with "abnormal termination...signal 11" and then shuts down. Hi Grant, Like Larry said: If you can get some more info on the machine you are using, we may be able to help you better. When at work I get a call and someone says "It's me, it doesn't work", you can't expect that I know who "me" is (4,300 people on the plant) and what the "it" is that doesn't work (10,000 node network excluding the PC's ;-) So, if you can replay things and tell us the gory details... Paul -- Obeying their rules only encourages them to create new ones. Disobey as often as possible: for gain, for sport, for the art of it. -Ethan Mordden http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
[newbie] Question about 2nd HD/dual booting/NOT Windog...
Is it possible to setup up a small 2nd HD running DR-DOS, and that way have access to older DOS games and still not have a Mickeysoft product on my 'Nix box? Thanks in advance! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/
Re: OT: [was RE: [newbie] linux vs. windows. vs. tanks batmobiles]
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Mark Johnson wrote: Look at existing realities rather than speculation. Microsoft has announced that they will likely produce only one more MS-Office upgrade before this product becomes an Internet-server distributed product. Why is this a bad thing (technology-wise), besides the fact that I don't want to rent software and that the internet probably can't handle this type of thing. Let's say for the sake of argument that Star Office was available for free via an ASP and the user experience would be as if s/he had it installed locally -- would this still be a bad thing. I'm genuinely curious I wouldn't trust such software with my critical business needs any more than I'd trust commercial software. If I can't see the source and fix it as needed then I won't trust the software to run on my systems. Bill Gates is a very wise businessman. He knows that to make money you have to create products that people will pay for. Manufacturing air is not good business as right now everyone gets it free. In the next few years this will be the case for desktop software. Do we hate MS software because of Bill Gates, or because of the techical merit of their programmers, or because of it's environment/culture, or all of the above. I don't think Bill Gates it the kind of person I'd want in my house (and I'm sure he'd feel the same about me) but I don't know him so I can't really hate him. He just doesn't matter much to me. For that matter I don't hate M$ either, I just don't use any of their products on my own machines. I know Windows and other key M$ products inside out though. You must understand everything your systems will come in contact to get a clear picture. I don't like corporations, big business, big government, etc. Anything that takes my rights and my money away is bad.
[Re: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush ]
Original Message: From: michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush Date: 09/29/00 16:10:55 So run your email through a filter before downloading it? Combine that with serious bitching at your phone company for being overpriced. All this so that people are 'free' to post 200 off-topic messages a day to the list? So the responsibility falls on the recipient to control what he gets in his Inbox. What about the responsibility of posters to stay within the published mandate of the list? I've spent more time deleting than reading over the last few days. Lance
Re: OT [newbie] Off-topic posts.
So run your email through a filter before downloading it? Combine that with serious bitching at your phone company for being overpriced. For a start, I would have to download at least the headers (which are often several k) in order to filter. Secondly, International roaming rates are dictaded by the TelCos that the call gets routed through. When I was in Italy for example, the price was mainly down to the overhead charged to my provider by TIM (the cellular carrier for that part of Italy). Thirdly, you are missing the point completely. Why should hundreds of list users be inconvenienced for the sake of a handful of inconsiderate individuals who can't take their off-topic crap to private e-mail? I signed up to this list for Linux information, and I'm sure that the majority of the other list members signed up for the same reason. If a user sends off-topic information to the list then he is effectively SPAMMING the list. To me, spammers remind me of something I occasionally pick up on my shoe in the gutter - very unpleasant, especially on a hot day... There are already a couple of list members who are in my killfile for this kind of behavior. My fingers are itching to add a few more. This whole thing reminds me of an occasion when a woman was raped in Central Park. The general attitude was not condemnation of the evil bastards that committed the crime, but rather that it was her own fault for walking through Central Park on her own. Attitudes like that disgust me. Bandwidth is not currently a problem for me personally as I have a permanent ADSL connection in my home (as long as I'm in Windoze - the ADSL modem is a USB version that does not work under Linux, so I'm stuck at 56k for the Penguin). I'm more concerned about users who may be in the position that I was a few years ago. Remember too that many countries do not have free local calls - they get charged by the minute for their on-line time. Personally, I don't care if you talk about politics, walking your dog, how to get a few extra horsepower out of your big-block Chevy, or your favorite lovemaking position. Just don't do it on this list. I have even offered to set up a seperate list for off-topic posts, as soon as my system is up full-time. That offer still stands, as soon as I have the hardware to do it - this machine is being switched between operating systems too often at the moment. ObLinux - if anyone knows how to get the above mentioned modem (Efficient Networks SpeedStream 4060 ADSL, USB interface) to work under Linux, please let me know... Regards, Ozz.
Re: [newbie] when I'm online no one can ping , telnet , ftp etc. it works only to localhost
OK , here is some info from the files : ---host.conf--- order hosts,bind multi on and nothing in hosts.allow and hosts.deny Ilian Zarov Programmer - A red-eyed, mumbling mammal capable of conversing with inanimate objects. On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, you wrote: Hi, Check your hosts.allow file in /etc I'm pretty sure your just denying everyone access =) Once you open the file you'll see what I mean. -Lonny
Re: [newbie] when I'm online no one can ping , telnet , ftp etc. it works only to localhost
I think you ned to look into your /etc/resolv.conf filecheck that the nameserver setup is correct in the file. It should look something like: search foobar.com #where foobar.com is your ISP nameserver aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd #nameserver 1 nameserver aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd #nameserver 2 -- Zap it's correct Ilian Zarov Programmer - A red-eyed, mumbling mammal capable of conversing with inanimate objects.
[newbie] Re rights
I just wanted to know if there is a way to change a dir and all sub dir to give rights to everyone.(I have a public folder in a samba network and the rights are all screwed up) I want to be able to add, remove and modify in this directory tree and have someone else be able to see use and modify it afterwords. Eg. i create a directory or file in the public folder that everyone can see and use (right now if I do it I get ownership and me only) regards Mike Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com
Re: [Re: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush ]
I have no trouble groking my email and I'm sure I probably receive at least as much as you do along with all the work I actually have to do. Besides as I said about 30 messages ago the thread would have died long ago if people stopped telling others to kill it. If nobody responds then the thread dies of disinterest. If enough people are interested in a thread to keep it alive then it is worth having. If it annoys you then simply ignore it. I do pity anyone who has to pay for email though. That is just cruel punishment. I can't imagine being on any mailing lists if I had to pay for the messages. :) *^*^*^* Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sungod robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? -- Real Genius On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message: From: michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush Date: 09/29/00 16:10:55 So run your email through a filter before downloading it? Combine that with serious bitching at your phone company for being overpriced. All this so that people are 'free' to post 200 off-topic messages a day to the list? So the responsibility falls on the recipient to control what he gets in his Inbox. What about the responsibility of posters to stay within the published mandate of the list? I've spent more time deleting than reading over the last few days. Lance
[newbie] Cron
Hi Larry, Let me see if I've got this straight. Your wanting cron to run a script that will log an idle user off the system and return to the gui startup screen. Right? I'm not sure if cron is the best method though. How will it determine that the user is not active and log them out while their working on something? Wrong 23:00 is time little girls were in bed. I just want it to chuck her off the system no matter what she is doing otherwise the little darling will sit up all night playing games. Line one locks her password so she can't get back onto the system when she has been chucked off Line two should return to the gui startup screen but I don't know how. Line three enables her password again in the morning Thanks for your help on this. Richard Davies wrote: I have written the following logged in as root crontab -e 59 22 * * * root passwd -l katrina 00 23 * * * root halt 00 8 * * * root passwd -u katrina The first line works and locks katrina's password The second line does nothing at all. What I really want this to do if to drop back to the login screen but I can't find the command for that. I thought that halt, shutdown now, shutdown -n, poweroff, init 0, while being overkill should do the job. They don't The third line works. I have checked this by logging in as user and doing su katrina at 22:59 the command stops working and at 08:00 starts again. Any ideas what I have done wrong? What I want this command to do is throw someone called katrina off the system at 23:00 irrespective of what they are doing and keep them off the system until 08:00 the next day. Katrina is a young girl who likes to get up at 02: and play computer games making herself too tired for school in the morning. At present I just turn the system off and take the power cord but there has to be an easier answer than that. -- Regards, Richard Tollyboy Products International http://www.tollyboy.com -- Regards Richard http://www.tollyboy.com
Re: [newbie] Just wondering...
it didn't detect my 2nd floppy drive. I fitted two, just because I had one spare. - Original Message - From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Just wondering... It was Sep 29, 2000, 11:03, when [EMAIL PROTECTED] keyboarded: While reading a UNIX book I was wondering (chapter mounting), how does a device (for example a CDROM player or a disk drive) appear in the /dev directory ? The book told me that when you for example mount a floppy drive it should look something like this: mount /dev/floppy2 /medium But how does the floppy2 gets into the dev directory !? Thanx in advantage, Hoi Niels, groetjes uit Nederland ;) The installer-program will do it's best to detect all your hardware. For each part of hardware, and also for the most common devices, an entry in the /dev directory is made. You can later on, when you know a lot about linux, create a new device through certain commands (which I can't recall at the moment since you barely ever need them). Paul -- Obeying their rules only encourages them to create new ones. Disobey as often as possible: for gain, for sport, for the art of it. -Ethan Mordden http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
Re: [newbie] Is /home dir compatible...
It was Sep 29, 2000, 17:55, when Joan Tur keyboarded: I wonder if what's in the /home dir is compatible among the different versions of Linux (Mandrake 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, etc)... And i'm making that question because i've tryed to install Mandrake 7.2b3 on (maybe that's the problem) 7.1 and it hasn't worked... 8-X Normally everything in /home is the same, over the releases. Only the version will differ. Paul -- Obeying their rules only encourages them to create new ones. Disobey as often as possible: for gain, for sport, for the art of it. -Ethan Mordden http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush
BANG!! It died. On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Austin L. Denyer wrote: I frequently used to work overseas. I collected my e-mail using a laptop/cellphone, often at 2400bps due to poor international connectivity, at International roaming rates ($1.60/minute). At that rate, a 10k (with headers) post would take over 40 seconds to download, costing me personally over a buck. OK, now under the Rules of the Internet, THIS THREAD MUST DIE! Regards, Ozz.
Re: [newbie] Linux and Windont (was: Installation of Java JDK ...
SYMPA doesn't like me. Again trying to repost this message. -Gary- on 9/27/2000 got SYMPA error back, this seemed to be what was missing from on 9/27/2000 got SYMPA error back, this seemed to be what was missing from the postings -- resubmitting sorry if accidental duplication. -Gary- -Gary-'s comments interspersed. In a message dated 9/26/2000 7:57:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really suspect that the future will generate distributions with far fewer programs included...and/or more along the lines of KDE2.0 where they include a specified KDE-developed suite of apps and that's it. Probably so. -Gary- I think it has to be better than it is but I'm less sure about it needing to be "better" than Microsoft. In fact, I think it's not too far from that already :-) What it lacks is hardware manufacturer driver support and that seems to be changing quickly. Linux seems to be one of those things that is hard to get set up, and after it is it works much better that Windonts. First there is the problem of everything being different (different commands, names, programs, structures) but I see the first issue, that of the difficulty of configuring the installation as being the barrier to be broken through. There may not ever be a solution for winmodems and the like. I see this as an irqsome problem, only. -Gary- One of the things I've come to realize is that much of the "simple" I see in Windows is mostly due to my familiarity with it and I think we need ot keep that in mind when comparing things. For instance, here we see lots of discussion of application software installations, setup, and execution. Suppose you know nothing of Windows. I agree again. Most people have forgotten how much time and effort and money they have spent learning Windonts. -Gary- Those niches seem to be becoming larger and larger :-) ... and Linux is the largest growing (selling?) o/s in the server market. Growth is good. I would just like to see growth of more relevance to everyone: i.e. the desktop users. That is beginning to happen. The important thing is that this growth doesn't get stalled out. I'm sure you've read the posts in newbie about it worked in Windont but I can't solve my problems in Linux (or it's too difficult) therefore Linux is no good, or therefore I'm giving up on Linux. This is someone who was willing to try something new and different, just the people we need to grow, and we lost them. One of the related problems is that help for this person comes down to you and me, and I am only able to help a little at this point. Others help. But there is noplace one can go for a difinitive answer. Therein lies the problem for Linux, even though it is almost as true for Windows. In Windonts case the answer is a driver or wipe and reload the o/s (standard operating procedure), although with much excuse making and finger pointing along the way. But when people fail with Windows they feel that they have to accept the (incompatability, nonfunctionality, or whatever). But then there's this new machine with the new and improved version of Windont.. And people really do buy, or occasionally they sell out. -Gary- Not in my opinion. Corel is 1) barking up the wrong Linux tree and 2) trying to oversimplify the installation which dumbs down Linux and ends up shooting themselves in the foot as it won't install on many platforms. I was VERY disappointed in Corel's distribution because it felt crippled to me. But -- How is the new exille from Windont going to feel about it? The problem I see here is the clout Corel carries because of "brand recognition" phenomenon. They don't know what Linux is capable of so they won't miss First of all it has to work. The bells and whistles come a bit later. -Gary- Cheers --- Larry I agree with the rest of your posting. Thanks, you put things well. -Gary-
RE: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush ]
I have to agree with Lance. I was told off by someone the other day because I told them not post crap to the list and like Lance I spend more time deleting junk than reading good informational posts. Please for the love of God, don't post junk here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 12:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Re: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush ] Original Message: From: michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush Date: 09/29/00 16:10:55 So run your email through a filter before downloading it? Combine that with serious bitching at your phone company for being overpriced. All this so that people are 'free' to post 200 off-topic messages a day to the list? So the responsibility falls on the recipient to control what he gets in his Inbox. What about the responsibility of posters to stay within the published mandate of the list? I've spent more time deleting than reading over the last few days. Lance
Re: [newbie] Re rights
I just wanted to know if there is a way to change a dir and all sub dir to give rights to everyone.(I have a public folder in a samba network and the rights are all screwed up) Sure...as root just type chmod -R 777 /directorypath/name Cheers --- Larry
Re: OT [newbie] Off-topic posts.
No you don't. Just set your email host up with the filters you want. It's not at all hard unless you have a retarded server. *shrugs* Which is fine if your ISP allows it (I do not have my own permanent mail server yet). It's not just about OT messages. If a list is moderated then fine let it be moderated. If not then anything that even vaugely relates should be fine. When people start telling others what they can or can't talk about then things just go to hell w/ flame wars etc. A new list is great but that doesn't mean everyone should stop the current thread. You post messages to a list for the benefit of that list seeing and responding. Sending to a blank new list is pointless. Maybe I'm missing the obvious here, but what the fsck is it about US Politics that "even vaguely relates" to Linux? Please, humor me, this bemused Linux user is eager to learn... I agree that "you post messages to a list for the benefit of that list seeing and responding". BUT What makes you think that the Mandrake Linux Newbie list members (many of whom are from other countries) are even remotely interested in US politics? If I want Linux information then I sign up to a Linux list. If I want that political crap I'll sign up to a US politics list. Regards, Ozz. (Who is about ready to quit this list until the twits get a clue)
Re: [newbie] Cron
It was Sep 29, 2000, 10:20, when Richard Davies keyboarded: 59 22 * * * root passwd -l katrina 00 23 * * * root halt 00 8 * * * root passwd -u katrina I think you should try and figure out a script to determine the PID of the Xserver, and let cron do a kill -9 on that. That will kick the login out of the blue! Paul -- Obeying their rules only encourages them to create new ones. Disobey as often as possible: for gain, for sport, for the art of it. -Ethan Mordden http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
RE: [newbie] Re rights
try this as root or su make a group called "your group name" then create a directory in /home doesn't matter what it is called next chgrp "your group name here" /home/"your directory name here" now chmod 770 /home/"your directory name here" chmod g+s /home/"your directory name here" Then go to your smb.conf file and add this example [workgroup]--- Call this whatever you want comment = Public Share Directory path = /home/"your directory name here" writeable = yes valid users = @group--- Your group name here create mode = 0660 directory mode = 0770 That should do it. Just assign the users that need access to this directory to the "group" name you created -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 12:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Re rights I just wanted to know if there is a way to change a dir and all sub dir to give rights to everyone.(I have a public folder in a samba network and the rights are all screwed up) I want to be able to add, remove and modify in this directory tree and have someone else be able to see use and modify it afterwords. Eg. i create a directory or file in the public folder that everyone can see and use (right now if I do it I get ownership and me only) regards Mike Get your own free email account from http://www.popmail.com
Re: [newbie] Re rights
It was Sep 29, 2000, 12:31, when [EMAIL PROTECTED] keyboarded: I just wanted to know if there is a way to change a dir and all sub dir to give rights to everyone.(I have a public folder in a samba network and the rights are all screwed up) I want to be able to add, remove and modify in this directory tree and have someone else be able to see use and modify it afterwords. Eg. i create a directory or file in the public folder that everyone can see and use (right now if I do it I get ownership and me only) You can either chmod a+rwx all files in the directory, or create a group that has all rights inside that directory, and chown .* all files to that group. Paul -- Obeying their rules only encourages them to create new ones. Disobey as often as possible: for gain, for sport, for the art of it. -Ethan Mordden http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
Re: [newbie] where is the c compiler for mandrake 7.1
Did you install the developer install? If you plan on doing any programming, I highly suggest you do the developer install route during installation. please help me out? i could not locate gcc,g++ Gcc/G++ compilers at all in /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin. -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
Re: [newbie] Helix Gnome's Evolution
Yep, I've tried it. It looks a lot like Outlook, and any outlook lovers will really like it. I personally like it's multiple identities feature, and it's got some pretty cool features. It also includes a calender and addressbook. The bad points? It's still in beta, and extremelly buggy for me. If you click on the trash icon, the mail part will crash on you. It also sometimes spontanously deletes email. For those reasons, I don't use it as my main email client, but more of a "Hey wow look at this" client for the moment. To sum it up, it has lots of promise, but if you're not on broadband I wouldn't suggest downloading it just yet. Has anyone tried Evolution as a mail client yet? How is it? -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
Re: [newbie] Linux and Windont (was: Installation of Java JDK ...
Linux seems to be one of those things that is hard to get set up, and after it is it works much better that Windonts. First there is the problem of Yep...I guess my view is that with another year of the current efforts to address that installation stuff, this isn't going to be a problem. and Linux is the largest growing (selling?) o/s in the server market. Growth is good. I would just like to see growth of more relevance to everyone: i.e. the desktop users. That is beginning to happen. The The server profile, mostly due to Internet press, is probably one of the key things that will generate interest by desktop types. I'm sure you've read the posts in newbie about it worked in Windont but I can't solve my problems in Linux (or it's too difficult) therefore Linux is no good, or therefore I'm giving up on Linux. This is someone who was willing to try something new and different, just the people we need to grow, and we lost them. While you're right, I wonder if this matters that much. Linux movement onto desktops is going to be driven by corporations, not guys playing Quake. If, in good conscience, a system guy providing support for a company with a bunch of desktop machines can propose a less expense, more powerful solution to computing needs, Linux moves onto desktops hundreds at a time. Maybe more important, this trickles from office to home. One of the related problems is that help for this person comes down to you and me, and I am only able to help a little at this point. Others help. True, but this is always the problem with minority products. As more and more Linux users are generated, there will be more and more help. People get their help for Windows from Windows users. There's just a lot of them :-) But there is noplace one can go for a difinitive answer. Therein lies the problem for Linux, even though it is almost as true for Windows. In Windonts case the answer is a driver or wipe and reload the o/s (standard operating Was on the phone last night with a friend of mine who's just gotten DSL and needed help getting it set up on his Windows box. I don't think it's any different except for two things. The first is that the driver availability is currently much better for Windows than Linux. Also, there are more people to turn to for help. Both of those things will change with time. In truth, the Linux support community is pretty darn deep in my opinion. The web has made this possible, with all the how-to stuff available, newsgroups like this one, etc. But -- How is the new exille from Windont going to feel about it? The I don't know the answer to that except to say that Corel's got problems with their installation as they've just made it too "simple." If you've got anything that's out of the ordinary you lose. For instance, all distributions have video conflicts with some systems. With Corel, however, if your video isn't setup, you're left with a COMPLETELY non-functional system and there's nothing included that would direct you to Xconfigurator or anything else. But other than that, a newbie who doesn't know any better might be very happy with CorelLinux/WP. And that's not a bad thing in my view. In fact that's exactly what I've advocated in other msgs here. There needs to be a setup such that Linux is restricted somewhat to provide a simpler set of challenges for a new user. Once they're comfortable working with it with their hands tied, they could start unstrapping things and unleashing the power. One of the big challenges to this is how to word the marketing/manual/installations for such things as Linux has the ability. problem I see here is the clout Corel carries because of "brand recognition" phenomenon. They don't know what Linux is capable of so they won't miss Then again, I'd rather have stock in Red Hat than Corel right now. Maybe that's an indication of how things are going. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Just wondering...
If I remember right (which means I could be wrong : ) /dev contains the files for every possible hardware device you could ever attach to your system. That's why it's so big (my /dev has 2234 files, "ls /dev | wc -l"). I remember reading an article on how the 2.2.4 kernel changes that so that the only devices in /dev are the ones you actually use. The installer-program will do it's best to detect all your hardware. For each part of hardware, and also for the most common devices, an entry in the /dev directory is made. -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
Re: [newbie] where is the login setup?
Well I can tell you what you did wrong. At the end of the Helix-Gnome installation, it asks if you'd like to keep your current login, or set it up to use Helix-Gnome's login. It defaults to Helix-Gnome's. So I guess you just missed that step. Unfortunatly, I do not know what file decides what gets executed, and I don't know how to get back to the default Mandrake login. Sorry Hopefully there are still a few Linux experts here in spite of the takeover by the political pundits. I mentioned that I had installed Helix-Gnome last night. What I didn't realize was that in doing so I changed not only the shell I was using but also the entire login sequence.Where is this stuff configured? I've just spent the last too many minutes hunting for it and I can't find it. Can anyone provide me with a pointer? Cheers -- Larry -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
Re: [newbie] Is /home dir compatible...
Yes, they are. I've succesfully upgraded to 7.1 from 7.0, and to 7.0 from 6.1 all using the same /home partition. It's the easy way to upgrade since most of your config files are still intact. And yes, I'm guessing the beta 7.2 is what caused it not to work. At least I hope that's what it was! I wonder if what's in the /home dir is compatible among the different versions of Linux (Mandrake 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, etc)... And i'm making that question because i've tryed to install Mandrake 7.2b3 on (maybe that's the problem) 7.1 and it hasn't worked... 8-X -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
Re: [newbie] repartitioned but win98 doesn't know it!?
hmmm. i just did a large HD with win98 / mandrake, and norton disk doctor thinks i have a partition problem tho both OSs work fine, so i believe it just can't recognize the linux partition. if eveything is working fine for you, maybe it's ok??? i'm not really sure. i suppose this doesn't help much -- but maybe you can gather something from it. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Seth Falcon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7:27:14 AM 9/29/00 During install of LM 7.1 I shrunk my single win98 partition, added a second FAT32 partition and gave the remaining space on my 21GB disk to linux split up as /, swap, /home. Both OS's load and appear to work. From both win98 and linux the size of C:\ or /dev/hda1 a.k.a. /mnt/windows is reported as 21GB with 15GB free. I got these values from win98 using properties in explorer and from linux using "df" On the other hand, the partitions seem to be there: using fdisk in linux and in DOS shows that the first partition is 8GB which is what it should be. fdisk does report that "Partition 1 does not end on a cylinder boundary: phys (1019, 219, 31) should be (1019, 254, 63)" What is going on, why does linux and win98 report the wrong info for C:\ and should I worry that win98 will corrupt my linux partitions? NOTE: Initially, win98 couldn't see the new FAT32 partition but I corrected this by changing the system id of the 2nd partition from linux extended to dos extended as suggested on the Mandrake web site. This didn't affect how the size of C:\ is reported. Thanks.
[newbie] OT: why we hate M$
Mark Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked the question: Do we hate MS software because of Bill Gates, or because of the techical merit of their programmers, or because of it's environment/culture, or all of the above. me says: i hate M$ because their software stinks. i still use Ami Pro 3.0 as a word processer even tho it's 10 years old or something because it does things the word2000 still doesn't do, does other things better, and has much less of a memory load + runs faster. i use to love M$. DOS 6 was great, even liked Win3.1.. PowerPoint is kinda nice, but otherwise -- I just don't like their software. I don't like the features they leave out, i don't like the slowness, i don't like the stupid wizards that force themselves on you. in MS Works (which i do use quite a bit) it continually loses my settings in the "preferences" dialog so i have to go in and change it all back to what i want. this program is on v4.5. by now they should have it able to retain the settings. this is easy stuff. if MS did what i want, and did it each time, i'd be happy also, their advertising is retarded=) as to Bill himself, yea i talk smack about him, but really. he is the richest man alive. i'm jealous of course, and not afraid to admit it. Bill must have something going on, else he'd be living in a box behind the 7-11. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] log issues - need to fix problems that are arising
in my logs I have a few things that I would like to clear up... ## LOGS ## #1 :: Sep 29 15:40:00 adrock CROND[1120]: (root) CMD ( /sbin/rmmod -as) #2 :: Sep 29 11:56:21 adrock gdm[807]: gdm_auth_user_remove: /home/adam is not owned by uid 0. Sep 29 11:56:21 adrock gdm[807]: gdm_auth_user_remove: Ignoring suspiciously looking cookie file /home/adam/.Xauthority Sep 29 11:56:21 adrock gnome-name-server[946]: input condition is: 0x10, exiting Sep 29 11:56:24 adrock gdmlogin[1427]: gdm_login_user_alloc: Directory /root/.gnome does not exist. Sep 29 11:56:24 adrock gdmlogin[1427]: gdm_login_user_alloc: Directory /home/adam/.gnome does not exist. #3 :: Sep 29 15:25:48 adrock modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-4 Sep 29 15:25:49 adrock last message repeated 30 times Sep 29 15:25:49 adrock modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-180 Sep 29 15:25:50 adrock last message repeated 8 times #4 :: Sep 29 15:25:59 adrock pam_console[806]: console :0 is owned by UID 0 Questions #1... I just don't know what it's doing, so I'm wondering #2... /home is root.root and adam/ is adam.adam (what do I have to change permissions wise? why would it remove my .Xauthority file? (gdm) input condition? I don't even know what that is both .gnome in /home/adam and /root exist, but I still get the error! #3... I just purely don't know how to fix it, because I'm quite the newbie and I'm happy with the way my kernel is right now anyways #4... and who should the console be owned by? and how would I go about changing that? or should I? -- Adam ::: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #84252 http://www.vbfx.com
Re: [newbie] Question about 2nd HD/dual booting/NOT Windog...
"Ronald J. Hall" wrote: Is it possible to setup up a small 2nd HD running DR-DOS, and that way have access to older DOS games and still not have a Mickeysoft product on my 'Nix box? [snip] Ronthat's exactly what I have on my system. I have 3 scsi drives, but my boot drive is an ide drive with dr-dos in the active (hda1) partition. It has both Partition Magic and Boot Magic on it and Boot Magic is my multi-boot manager. The rest of the drive is comprised of linux swap space and linux /boot partitions. Alan
Re: [newbie] how to compile a program from source
This is one of the most common newbie questions, and one that gave me fits
before I figured out the "secret".
First off, I suggest rpm's instead of doing it by source. RPM's are just plain
easier. But if you're stuck on source, or need the source for some reason...
Untar the file. ("tar -xvzf the_program.tar.gz")
Go into the directory that the above command created (usually "cd the_program")
Read the readme file in there. It contains more detailed instructions. However
99% of the programs follow these procedures:
Type "./configure" and wait for it to configure
Type "make" and wait for it to compile
Type "su" to go to root
Type "make install" to install the program
And then your done.
If you get an error during the ./configure stage, it's probally because you
dont' have the library it needs. You can try searching for it at rpmfind.net,
and sometimes that'll solve the problem. The easiest way to not get those kind
of errors is to just install ALL the developmental libraries during
installation. It'll solve so many headaches in the long run.
Anybody know where I can find some good documentation on compiling
different sorts of programs from the source-code. I wanna try to
compile and install gaim as my first try.
--
Anthony
http://binaryfusion.net
Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
[newbie] Error loading Ramdisk
I havemadrake 6.5 installed on an AMD K-6 233 with 96M. Its running perfectly, but I want to do a reinstall to get more familiar with the process. I downloaded the CDROM iso images and booted from the install CDROM. Just after the SCSI probe completes, Linux begins "Loading second stage ramdisk" and then just as it appears to finish, up pop a dialog with "Error Loading Ramdisk" and the system hangs. I'd like to know - why I get this problem - how I could change to loading process to disable the ramdisk (or is it essential) ? Thanks _ Garry Black GGB Enterprises Ltd. Vancouver Canada
Re: [newbie] Just wondering...
It's a temp file that's written there and evaporates when the device is unmounted. (umount) -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While reading a UNIX book I was wondering (chapter mounting), how does a device (for example a CDROM player or a disk drive) appear in the /dev directory ? The book told me that when you for example mount a floppy drive it should look something like this: mount /dev/floppy2 /medium But how does the floppy2 gets into the dev directory !? Thanx in advantage, Niels (Hoping to install my first Linux machine soon)
Re: [newbie] kmail error message
You might try chmod-ing it to 4755, or you could chown it to $USER.$USER and then you'd be able to use the binary of Kmail yourself, but of course non of the other users would be able to use it. That is if there are other users on your system using Kmail. You might also try re-installing the Kmail RPM from the installation CD's and see if that corrects the problem. What ever you decide to do to correct the problem something, or someone has changed the permissions on the binary file and that's why you can't use it except as 'root'. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, A.M. (Tony) Finnis wrote: I have been running kmail with no problems up till now. Today, kmail suddenly terminated and I have been unable to use it as a 'user', but is OK when running as 'root'. The message I get when attempting to start kmail as a 'user' is :- "*** KMail got signal 11" Could someone please explain and tell me how to correct. Many thanks - Tony F
Re: [newbie] Console error's?
May the Lord Our God bless you Olf.Liungman.
First of all I want to thank you for your grate desire to help me. And
yes I did try that command but it did not work. But last nigh ,the Lord
had mercy on me,by allowing me to see exactly where the problem was ,it
wasn't the commands or what I did ,it was with the cdrom disk that didn't
have the program "linux-acrobat40.And since I purchase before another
version of linux cd's(Caldera) I tried the 3rd cd that it says that
include acroreader and it worked. Praise the Lord !,what a relief !
After that ,I manege to put the icon for the application on the desktop
but it doesn't execute the program ,do you have any input in that?
And for the rest of the newbies,when you face this type of situations
make sure that the program is really in the cd disk ,that way you don't
have to go trough so much anguish,and headaches.And thinking aloud,I just
wonder if this cd/'s are inspected before they rich the consumers.
Thanks again to all and Blessings.
Carlos.
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:43:05 -0700 "olof.liungman"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Howdy, Carlos!
Have you tried to just unzip the tar-file first, using 'gunzip
filename.tar.gz' or 'gzip -d filename.tar.gz' or something similar
(I'm
still learning the apps in Linux; I'm used to Solaris)? Then you can
run
'tar -xf filename.tar' separately to unpack the archive.
Solong,
Olof
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 7:22 PM
Subject: [newbie] Console error's?
Hello! estimados amigos de newbie(dear friends)
I'm having some problems installing "acroreader405.tar" and this
is the
situation if I go by the book "LM7.0 Getting Started Manual" I'd
try :
tar xvf linux -ar-405.tar.gz -the answer is :"tar old option "f "
requires an argument - try :tar --help for more info"
According to MUO'S how to " Installing Non-RPm programs" the
example they
used is "acrobat reader405" the same that I have. following the
steps to
unpack the archive I wrote:
tar xzf linux-ar-40.tar.gz " .Console answer.."tar {child}:cannot
open
archive linux' ' ' ' No such file or dir.." tar {child} :error is
not
recoverable :exiting now "
and the story goes on.. even if I type " tar vzxf " commands
(according
to Flupke) but the results are the same. the cdrom works okay ,but
not
the command line..
What I have is LM7.0 -Complete" running (along) in 13.6 gig Maxtor
-CyrixInstead 6x86MX 64RAM .233 Mh. Can you tell me what is the
problem? I'm fighting this for 3 months .
In advance let me thank you for your patient and your kindness.
Blessings.
Carlos
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Re: [newbie] repartitioned but win98 doesn't know it!?
i just did a large HD with win98 / mandrake, and norton disk doctor thinks i have a partition problem tho both OSs work fine, so i believe it just can't recognize the linux partition. if eveything is working fine for you, maybe it's ok??? i'm not really sure. i suppose this doesn't help much -- but maybe you can gather something from it. Unless both operating systems see the disk space in the same ways, you've got a problem. Maybe not today but when one of the OSs writes code into an area that the other operating system thinks belongs to it, you will have a problem, probably with both operating systems. Cheers --- Larry
Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush
entertaining, isn't it? -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2cents Why must people inform others when they do something like this? *shrug* Even the people who dont want to read the off topic stuff (who ARE apparently reading it) feel the need to throw in their 2 cents /2cents =o) Lonny Just updated my rules to send these messages where they belong - in the trash
[newbie] who answers?
Hey all I was just wondering who answers these questions we all ask because ive read some I could help answer but NOT sure if I can. Can anybody that knows the answer respond. I have a question about security if I dont use linux for the internet only windows do I still have to disable my ports in the inetd.conf.file. Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
Re: [newbie] Just wondering...
If I remember right (which means I could be wrong : ) /dev contains the files for every possible hardware device you could ever attach to your system. That's why it's so big (my /dev has 2234 files, "ls /dev | wc -l"). I "Big" is an wonderful word. /dev is only a shade over 100k. remember reading an article on how the 2.2.4 kernel changes that so that the only devices in /dev are the ones you actually use. Oh boy...gonna save us a lot of space there :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush
In a message dated 29-Sep-00 08:31:50 Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No it is not that simple. I frequently used to work overseas. I collected my e-mail using a laptop/cellphone, often at 2400bps due to poor international connectivity, at International roaming rates ($1.60/minute). At that rate, a 10k (with headers) post would take over 40 seconds to download, costing me personally over a buck. hmm i guess i cheat all i recieve is the subject heading and who its from i connect lower then 26kbps and it just takes a split second to delete it, however i do have to pay the millitary phone service to use the phone for a local call at $.56/a day and each call is $.04 the first minute $.01 each aditional minute so to be online every day which i usually do to keep in touch with family and friends, i spend over $200 a month for internet access plus the isp's fees, add in my other bills and i barely get by on what the navy pays me, at the same time i have to worry about supporting my family!
Re: [Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush]
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Re: [newbie] Modem: AOpen FM56-PLM
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, you wrote: I installed this PnP Acer modem but despite reading docs on setserial and isapnptools, have not succeeded in getting it recognized. In Win95 it sits on Com3, IRQ9 Has anyone installed this modem successfully on their Mandrake system? Any help much appreciated. Michael Coady M. It's listed as 'controllerless' at http://www.kcdata.com/~gromitkc/winmodem.html which means it depends on software, rather than having the proper hardware on the modem to work. Hope you can take it back, it won't work without Windoze. If you need a PCI internal these are recommended: Multitech MT5634ZPX-PCI, Actiontec PCI56012 (IBM 33L4618 or GVC MD0223) USR/Texas Instruments Kermit chipset: the 3Com/USR 3CP5610 family, which includes models 5613, 5609, and OEM models 2976, 2977, and 3258 The 3com/USR 3CP2977 is about $46, Phoebe makes the same modem (MDVIT56H) for about $37. Both use the same highly regarded Texas Instruments chipset. -- ~~Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
Re: [newbie] Seti@HOME
Heh, cool. I would join, but I'm in my own little group and I can't share credits back and forth. But I love the idea of SETI, and I"m one of those who belives that there is extraterrestrial life. The universe is too big for there not be. So if anyone reading this hasn't downloaded SETI yet, I suggest you do. Seti@HOME (http://forum.mandrakesoft.com/article.php3?sid=2928075028) -- Anthony http://binaryfusion.net Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
