Re: [newbie-it] Red Hat????
Cos'è, si è scatenata una guerra fratricida tra sostenitori di distribuzioni diverse? Mettiamola così: usate quel che vi pare. Purchè sia Linux! ;-) Le distribuzioni principali sono, da quel che mi risulta, tutte ottimi prodotti. Quindi la scelta tra l'una e l'altra è spesso una questione più di gusti personali, che altro... Buon Linux a tutti! Daniele Il 06:49, sabato 23 giugno 2001, hai scritto: usa la suse 7.2 che e meglio :) - Original Message - From: legion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [newbie-it] Red Hat -Messaggio Originale- Da: Mealli Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Data invio: venerdì 22 giugno 2001 10.38 Oggetto: R: [newbie-it] Red Hat Perchè mai bisogna sempre tenersi aggiornato su tutto certo che quando dopo mesi di attesa finalmente esce mandrake 8.0 la scarichi dal sito compri le riviste che contengono i cd e al momento dell'installazione si inchioda il computer arrivo solo a una conclusione per il momento la mandrake deve solo ritirarsi in contemplazione e valutare il proprio operato e noi utenti preoccuparci di diffondere e imparare LINUX a prescindere dalla distribuzione quindi al momento il top è rappresentato dalla Red Hat Buona fortuna con la mandrake8.0 be' guarda l'ho gia intallato su 3 pc diversi (in tutto 6 volte per fare varie prove) mai un minimo problema nell 'istallazione... non e' la MDK8 che ha problemi nell'istallazionee' il tuo pc o cmq il supporto cd...
[newbie-it] Mandrake 8.0 mi pianta all'avvio!!
Ciao, c'è qualcuno che può aiutarmi a risolvere il mio problema? Ho installato la Mandrake 8.0 e stranamente ha riconosciuto l'HD montato sul Controller pci della Promise. Non mi sembrava vero...e infatti finita l'installazione il lilo parte tranquillamente, ma scegliendo di avviare linux il sistema si pianta con un errore di Kernel Panic dovuto al fatto che non trova l'hde. Che devo fare? Un grazie in anticipo a chi mi aiuterà!! @_GiuCri_@
Re: R: [newbie-it] Red Hat????
Il 19:46, venerdì 22 giugno 2001, Andrea Conti ha scritto: E' inutile aprire una guerra delle distribuzioni. Così come ritengo penosa la diatriba KDE vs. Gnome. Tra le tante cose eccellenti di Linux c'è la libertà di scelta (free software!). Il punto è che questa ML è dedicata a Mandrake, a farlo funzionare. E la 8.0 non mi ha dato nessun problema. Tranne i problemi di Linux in generale... Personalmente ho ancora pochi motivi che mi tengono legato a Win2K: - Scanner e OCR - Piena compatibilità con M$ Office (Access in particolare) - La semplicità di alcune operazioni - DVD..per i dvd il problema è risolto con xine+decss, io ho trovato la versione red hat in www.freshrpms.net ciao
[newbie-it] Problema com MDK8
Riposto il mio problema, la volta precedente non ho ricevuto risposte. Ho installato la MDK8 e ne sono contento funziona a meraviglia pero' si verifica uno spiacevole inconveniente, ogni volta che riavvio la macchina perdo la configurazione per il collegamento in internet e devo ogni volta riconfigurarlo. Per la precisione il collegamento avviene tramite una scheda isdn, qualcuno sa' dirmi eventualmente quùali file bisogne edittare a mano per non dover ripetere sempre la configurazione. Grazie
[newbie] nVidia drivers on patched kernel
I asked before how to apply the new nVidia drivers to a patched kernel. Well, I found my answer at nVidia (duh). They have a src rpm for the job. So I do the rebuild, but then when I install it, I get the following errors: depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol init_mm_Rf1fe99f5 /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol register_chrdev_R3b2bdff1 /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol create_proc_entry_Rcce2ea9f /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol __pollwait_Rffb1dd2e /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol proc_root_R9ea1b4d2 /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol remove_proc_entry_Rd419f102 /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol mem_map_R7745b45a /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver failed /lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: insmod NVdriver failed NVdriver installed successfully This last line is especially amusing. Anyway, it doesn't work, and I dunno why. The regular RPM for the default kernel worked flawlessly when I tried it. (Yes, I uninstalled it before trying all this.) I tried the tarball too--same errors. What now? Thanks, Miark
[newbie] ISDN still...
Hi all, Things have changed not much after going back to kernel 2.2.19. The initial look that the connection was much better that way has proven wrong. It is better, but still stays behind on what I am used to. So if someone has a smart idea... Paul -- UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -Doug Gwyn http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.4.99 ** http://www.care2.com - when you care **
[newbie] samba started but status says it is stopped
Hello although i give the command 'samba start', samba status says it is stopped and i do not see the computer on the net. Here is my smb.conf ... : [global] printing = bsd printcap name = /etc/printcap load printers = yes guest account = Etsoft null passwords = yes log file = /usr/local/samba/log.%m comment = Samba server workgroup = ETSOFT encrypt passwords = no password level = 0 preferred master = no os level = 0 allow hosts = 192.168.1.2 192.168.1.1 dead time = 0 debug level = 0 domain master = no [homes] comment = Home Directories browseable = yes read only = no create mode = 0750 available = yes public = yes writable = yes only user = no [printers] comment = All Printers securety = server browseable = no printable = yes public = yes writable = no create mode = 0700 path = /var/spool/samba -- Best regards, ETSoft mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] PartImage - Very useful for O/S Fiddlers
Lin Kenham wrote: Hi everyone. As one who enjoys messing with Linux, I dont risk my system by fiddling with major updates or reconfiguring. Instead I have 3 different systems, Caldera, Mandrake 7.2 and now Mandrake 8.0. So it doesnt matter if I destroy one. What we need is a quick way of restoring them. I have just got PartImage on a Mag disk and it is brilliant. Using it to make an image of a Partition, and them burning a CD with that image gives a quick way. I have just deliberately deleted my Man 8.0 partition, so I could restore it, which took about 3 minutes. It is better than Nero in that it ignores unused space, and compresses. Get it from ,http://www.partimage.org/ Cheers Lin Kenham Great Idea. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
[newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
Where are our big guns? Please read this story when you have time. However, it's not all doom and gloom. http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,2778923,00.html Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: [newbie] Install error
On Friday 22 June 2001 07:31 pm, Michael Leone wrote: No. There's no permissions in Winblows, which is one reason it's so inherently insecureable. M$ uses those attributes (ie, hidden and Windows most certainly has file permissions. Or have you never looked at WinNT or Win2K? Check out ACLs on an NTFS volume sometime. Don't make the mistake of thinking that Win9x/WinME are the entire Windows line of products. Mea culpa, you're quite right. I equate Win2k with NT, and don't consider them as Windoze. 'Course Win2k and NT are inherently insecurable too ; -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,...Here we go again. I'd like to suggest that we send in Duke Nuke'm to slap these guys around. What they don't seem to realize (Or maybe they do???Hmmm.) is that they're not just reporting the news (?) but they're one of the biggest reasons that popularity of Linux is being affected. Have you noticed that they spend a lot of time balancing their scales when pumping out this crap? Nope, Nada! Not one story of Linux in the office and on the desktop! Nice job of reporting the news objectively ! Guess that might cut down on your readers, eh? I was just at LinuxExpo Montreal, and one guy (Glenn Jacobson, President of Unique Systems Ltd. - www.uniqsys.com ), did a presentation about the Linux desktop in action. A legal firm of 100 people all running Linux, and ONLY Linux. This was just one of his clients. And it all runs on a Linux Thin Client/Thin Server network, too ! You don't hear about the success stories, do ya ? Of course Linux is great on servers. That's a known fact. Of course Linux still needs refinement and more apps for the desktop. So did Windows when it first came out! But you never hear about the increased security on the Linux workstation compared to Windows NT, do ya? What about the U.S. federal governments' imperative to push city governments, libraries, schools, etc., into switching over to Linux? I think the article I read said something like a total of 320 different government institutions? What about India (Or was it Pakistan?) where 50% of all government networks are totally Linux? The City that I admin for in Quebec, Canada has been getting a major roll-out and a migration to Mandrake-Linux, with only a few exceptions (Graphics on PC's and Macs). The staff has been undergoing retraining, and they're loving it! No more B.S.O.D.'s, fewer lock-ups and crashes, better solitare (er, forget that one, the boss is watching!) Personally I'm getting fed up with ZDNet, and some of these Linux sites where the writers and editors are bashing Linux in the name of reporting the news. Hey guys, if you're not part of the solution, You're part of the problem. Grab a brain. After all, are you running a Pro-Linux web-site to support the Linux Community? Or did Bill Gates slip you $20.00 ? Big Guns indeed. Maybe something even bigger? Someone else just posted to this group about Linux being dead for the desktop. Nice of him to send it to the list. But look at the references that the writer used for his article ! Eazel (which due to the availability of the source code can continue to develop in the Linux community), and Corel Linux! Please, don't make me laugh! Ever since Mike Cowpland left Corel, they haven't done diddley with it. Think that might have something to do with the Microsoft buy-in? Nah! Couldn't be! Microsoft wouldn't throw pocket change into Corel to stop them from developing Linux, would they? After all, they've never done it before, have they? And all of a sudden, Cowpland books! Gee, what a coinkydink! Personally, I'm going to be giggling my butt off when the Linux Community shows these guys how wrong they are! Good luck to all Windows XP users! You're in for the dot NET ride of your life! Enjoy the lack of privacy, and having all your financial records moved from your office to Microsoft's ! Dan LaBine Registered Linux User#190712 On June 23, 2001 07:55 am, you wrote: Where are our big guns? Please read this story when you have time. However, it's not all doom and gloom. http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,2778923,00.html Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: [newbie] Your article is premature in articel http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/opinions/3387/1
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:49, Romanator wrote: This is what people want, the freedom to choose and write and reconfigure their systems to their liking. Just because Word is not included as part of the operating system, it isn't the end all. It would be interesting to find how many C++ companies have gone out of business in the last 2 - 3 years. Or, how many millions of dollars Microsoft has lost on 'loser' projects. Like on Bob? No, wait... Bob lives -- in Windows XP! http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19349.html -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
This is proof that the Wintel Cartel lives on after the antitrust trial (where Intel testified against M$). After all these years, did you think that it would just roll-over and die? Of course not. Here, we have a symbiotic relationship. Both Intel chips and M$ apps have become ubiquitous standards on the desktop from helping each other. Now this arrangement is scaling both up into the server (Itanium and WinXP) and down into embedded devices (StrongARM and WinCE). GNU/Linux is a threat to Intel because of its portability. Anyone can compile GNU/Linux code to run on many other non-Intel hardware platforms, like those of IBM, Sun, HP and Compaq -- in other words, Intel's main competition. However, GNU/Linux is gaining ground on the server, and Intel realise that they'd be idiots to oppose it at the high-end. Corporates are more likely to switch to another OS than an ordinary home user (who is probably still trying to find the any key). On the desktop, Intel are faced with a rejuvenated Apple, employing Motorola's version of the PowerPC design. Remember the whole CISC vs RISC war of the early- to mid- 1990s? Apple chips were actually faster than Intel ones, but what saved Intel was their ability to turn MegaHertz into a commodity (i.e. Intel had more MHz per processor, fooling people into believing that their systems were quicker) and the fact that Windows ran on x86. Now Intel are also faced with competition on their own turf, in the guise of AMD and Transmeta (among others). AMD already have almost a quarter of the desktop CPU market, and they aim for 30% by year's end. Notice how more vigorously AMD are promoting GNU/Linux compared to Intel? AMD's x86-64 architecture will be incompatible with Itanium's, and there is no guarantee that M$ will make a Windos port for it. They need a good OS, and they've found one in GNU/Linux. Intel, of course, doesn't like that. Intel will surely support (i.e. run) GNU/Linux, but they won't actively promote it (much), since it just gives the competition a leg-up. So in conclusion, both Intel and Microsoft are mutually-beneficial monopolies (to use the economic, not the dictionary, definition). It doesn't make any business sense to promote another hardware architecture (MS) or OS (Intel). At the same time, however, other hardware and software platforms cannot be totally ignored. On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:55, Romanator wrote: Where are our big guns? Please read this story when you have time. However, it's not all doom and gloom. http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,2778923,00.html Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] How can I figure out my IP address?
And contrary to popular belief, you don't HAVE to be root to run ifconfig. The only problem is it's not in the usual users's PATH. So you'll have to either edit your PATH, or just type out the entire path location. [timh@r2d2 timh]$ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx inet addr:xx.xxx.xxx.xxx Bcast:xx.xxx.xxx.xxx Mask:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:199344 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:59512 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:1 collisions:3 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:47204234 (45.0 Mb) TX bytes:7346415 (7.0 Mb) Interrupt:3 Base address:0x9400 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:82920 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:82920 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:6202238 (5.9 Mb) TX bytes:6202238 (5.9 Mb) As you can see that was not done as the root user! :0) You may want to create an alias to it or something. Like showip or something like that. Just make the needed edit to your $HOME/.aliases file. tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! Uptime: 9:37AM up 2 days, 23:30, 3 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 | On Thursday 21 June 2001 01:56 pm, Terry wrote: | I'm curious .. | | How can I determine what my IP address is from my local machine? Is | there a command similar to M$'s IPCONFIG command? | | Yes, | |try 'netstat', or 'ifconfig' (as root) | |ifconfig is probly what you want | | -- | Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay | --
[newbie] installing software
I have LM8 installed and am trying to install Star Office (down load version) How do you do it?
Re: [newbie] Merging Mail Folders
I don't use a GUI mail client, but my sister uses KMail. I thought I saw an option for import/export. Not sure if that means you can assimilate mail into your mail boxes, but if you can, all you should need to do would be copy the folders to your $HOME and then use Kmail's drop down menus and import them. That may do the job for you! tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! Uptime: 9:44AM up 2 days, 23:37, 3 users, load averages: 0.04, 0.03, 0.00 | Try this, after closing Kmail and backing up all your mail files (just | in case): | | 1. In your /home/user/Mail directory, delete all *.index files. | 2. In this directory, make a subdirectory: .newmail.directory | 3. Copy your mail files from the other drive across into this | directory, leaving out *.index files. | 4. Do the same for the other drive, but make another directory to copy | to. | 5. Restart Kmail. | | | On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:17, Richard Davies wrote: | Hi, | | I have 3 different hard drives here that have come from 3 different | systems and locations over the last 12 months. | All of them have the directories /home/user/Mail with Mail | containing different folders on each one inbox, outbox and sent mail | being common to them all. | I want to somehow merge all of these together on one drive so I can | scan back through all of the last 18 months mail without having to | load different mailboxes into Kmail. | | Thanks in advance for any bright ideas on how to do this. | | -- | Sridhar Dhanapalan. | There are two major products that come from Berkeley: | LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. | -- Jeremy S. Anderson | --
[newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders
Hi everybody, How can Linux allow the user to print out the root directory and include the sub folders only? For example /root/1st sub/2nd sub/ and so on. Rather than dragging the folder over the printer icon on the desktop, there must be a more user-friendly way of implementing this feature. I have noticed that Windows Explorer doesn't allow you to print out a root directory with its sub folders in Explorer. In fact I have never seen this at all, and many people have inquired about this omission. This would a nice print feature to add to your 'right-click' menu in Konqueror. Any ideas or thoughts? Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: [newbie] moving drives
On Friday 22 June 2001 10:33 pm, Michael Falzon wrote: Hi All ok i'm using mandrake 8.0 it running ok but i had slow started to run out of drive space on both windows and linux, so to fix this i have move my windows to a new drive so now linux is on /dev/hda and windows is now on /dev/hdb Lilo is booting up ok for linux, but not for windows ( non system disk or disk error ) if i till me bios to boot on the windows drive so boot's ok i did update lilo ( i'm sure i did not do it right ) i just change the /dev/hda to b then lilo -v what im i not do right ? While it's possible in some cases to run windoze on a partition other than hda1, it's certainly not the norm, and almost always won't work. Windoze won't tolerate it, Linux OTOH could care less where you stick it ;) Change the Windoze drive back to hda, and make the Linux drive hdb (don't forget to change the jumpers ;) Also, there's a lot more to do than just editing lilo.conf, 'fstab' and other config files for example need to be changed. I believe 8.0 is smarter about this, so kuzu and harddrake might be enough to pick up the swap on boot up (make sure those services are enabled). Otherwise, the easiest thing to do is boot your 1st Mandrake CD and choose expert/upgrade. Go thru the upgrade, tell it you don't have CD 2, unselect any new packages, and say done or cancel to things like dialup or network setup and the whole process should only take a few minutes. Just make sure you do go thru the bootloader configuration. Just go ahead and remove all the entries prefaced with old during lilo setup. Boot Linux and make a new floppy with (as root) 'mkbootdisk $(uname -r)' Now if Winblows still won't boot, you'll need to boot a DOS or Windoze floppy and run 'fdisk /mbr'. Windoze should now boot, but lilo will have been overwritten. So use the boodisk you made and boot 8.0, then (as root) run 'lilo' and you should then be able to boot either OS. -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
[newbie] Anybody else being icmped to death?
For a couple of weeks my logs have been full of reportedly blocked icmp probes. I mean FULL, all day long every second. I hope Bastille has got me covered. (I mean it only logs blocked attempts, it don't log what gets thru). I configured Bastille with the Interactive setup, and chose most of the recommendations for hardening security and left nothing open from the outside. No ftp or anything. I do occasionally run samba. But I'm still worried. Anybody else being hammered? Any security suggestions from anyone? (I run portsentry too, but it hasn't added any new blocked ips in about a month!) Any new forms of the chkrootkits or trojan detection scripts out there? (I'm not as up on linux security as I should be). TIA, -s
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
Lanman wrote: Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,...Here we go again. I'd like to suggest that we send in Duke Nuke'm to slap these guys around. What they don't seem to realize (Or maybe they do???Hmmm.) is that they're not just reporting the news (?) but they're one of the biggest reasons that popularity of Linux is being affected. Have you noticed that they spend a lot of time balancing their scales when pumping out this crap? Nope, Nada! Not one story of Linux in the office and on the desktop! Nice job of reporting the news objectively ! Guess that might cut down on your readers, eh? I was just at LinuxExpo Montreal, and one guy (Glenn Jacobson, President of Unique Systems Ltd. - www.uniqsys.com ), did a presentation about the Linux desktop in action. A legal firm of 100 people all running Linux, and ONLY Linux. This was just one of his clients. And it all runs on a Linux Thin Client/Thin Server network, too ! You don't hear about the success stories, do ya ? Of course Linux is great on servers. That's a known fact. Of course Linux still needs refinement and more apps for the desktop. So did Windows when it first came out! But you never hear about the increased security on the Linux workstation compared to Windows NT, do ya? What about the U.S. federal governments' imperative to push city governments, libraries, schools, etc., into switching over to Linux? I think the article I read said something like a total of 320 different government institutions? What about India (Or was it Pakistan?) where 50% of all government networks are totally Linux? The City that I admin for in Quebec, Canada has been getting a major roll-out and a migration to Mandrake-Linux, with only a few exceptions (Graphics on PC's and Macs). The staff has been undergoing retraining, and they're loving it! No more B.S.O.D.'s, fewer lock-ups and crashes, better solitare (er, forget that one, the boss is watching!) Personally I'm getting fed up with ZDNet, and some of these Linux sites where the writers and editors are bashing Linux in the name of reporting the news. Hey guys, if you're not part of the solution, You're part of the problem. Grab a brain. After all, are you running a Pro-Linux web-site to support the Linux Community? Or did Bill Gates slip you $20.00 ? Big Guns indeed. Maybe something even bigger? Someone else just posted to this group about Linux being dead for the desktop. Nice of him to send it to the list. But look at the references that the writer used for his article ! Eazel (which due to the availability of the source code can continue to develop in the Linux community), and Corel Linux! Please, don't make me laugh! Ever since Mike Cowpland left Corel, they haven't done diddley with it. Think that might have something to do with the Microsoft buy-in? Nah! Couldn't be! Microsoft wouldn't throw pocket change into Corel to stop them from developing Linux, would they? After all, they've never done it before, have they? And all of a sudden, Cowpland books! Gee, what a coinkydink! Personally, I'm going to be giggling my butt off when the Linux Community shows these guys how wrong they are! Good luck to all Windows XP users! You're in for the dot NET ride of your life! Enjoy the lack of privacy, and having all your financial records moved from your office to Microsoft's ! Dan LaBine Registered Linux User#190712 On June 23, 2001 07:55 am, you wrote: Where are our big guns? Please read this story when you have time. However, it's not all doom and gloom. http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,2778923,00.html Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility Dan, Yeah, ZDNet are puppets of M$, and I'm extremely disappointed with some of these other sites. For desktop, I still think Eazel has a great future. It has a very nice look and easy to use for first time users. On another note, I missed LinuxExpo Montreal(had to work), and for me the news from Montreal was extremely positive. Do you know if a Linux convention will be slated to be in Toronto in the coming months? Is there a site where I can find out? Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
[newbie] Tracking your order?
Civileme, this one is for you, I guess... ;-) I recently used your website to purchase the Mandrake 8.0 Powerpack (7 CD's chock full of wonderful stuff!), and I was wondering how to check its status. I went thru the website and I apologise if I missed it. (its not like I'm eager to get this or anything! smile) Hmm, just a thought - if you can't track your order from the Mandrake website, how about adding that option somewhere down the road? Thanks as always! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/
Re: [newbie] How can I figure out my IP address?
Yep. I just ran a check as user with no problems. Tim Holmes wrote: And contrary to popular belief, you don't HAVE to be root to run ifconfig. The only problem is it's not in the usual users's PATH. So you'll have to either edit your PATH, or just type out the entire path location. [timh@r2d2 timh]$ /sbin/ifconfig eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx inet addr:xx.xxx.xxx.xxx Bcast:xx.xxx.xxx.xxx Mask:xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:199344 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:59512 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:1 collisions:3 txqueuelen:100 RX bytes:47204234 (45.0 Mb) TX bytes:7346415 (7.0 Mb) Interrupt:3 Base address:0x9400 loLink encap:Local Loopback inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0 UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1 RX packets:82920 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:82920 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 RX bytes:6202238 (5.9 Mb) TX bytes:6202238 (5.9 Mb) As you can see that was not done as the root user! :0) You may want to create an alias to it or something. Like showip or something like that. Just make the needed edit to your $HOME/.aliases file. tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! Uptime: 9:37AM up 2 days, 23:30, 3 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 | On Thursday 21 June 2001 01:56 pm, Terry wrote: | I'm curious .. | | How can I determine what my IP address is from my local machine? Is | there a command similar to M$'s IPCONFIG command? | | Yes, | |try 'netstat', or 'ifconfig' (as root) | |ifconfig is probly what you want | | -- | Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay | --
Re: [newbie] installing software
Cliff Gosden wrote: I have LM8 installed and am trying to install Star Office (down load version) How do you do it? Cliff, If you have Linux Powerpack it will be on your CD. Otherwise, navigate to www.sun.com and register. You will be able to download the file. Hold down the shift key and select the .bin (binary) file. Now, Sun may have fixed this by now and you should be be able to click on the download button. Just give it a try. Also, you can download and install it as user to your /home folder. Commands After downloading, start up console, type in: chmod 777 *.bin and press the [enter] key. On the next line type in: ./theStarOfficefile.bin Press the [enter] key and watch the setup start up. Good Luck!! Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
This brings up an interesting point. Many people and organisations don't switch to GNU/Linux because they don't know of any real-world case studies that demonstrate its success. My information systems subjects at uni are full of real-world case studies, and we (well, at least I) learn well by reading them (we've done a few great GNU/Linux studies too :-). In one assignment earlier this year, I had to compare two e-commerce sites on a technical (not just superficial) level. Although I wanted to profile companies that ran GNU/Linux, I couldn't find any good examples on the WWW to use. In the end, I was forced to stoop to the worst possible level -- I consulted Microsoft.com. There, I found a large section full of case studies describing the systems infrastructure of companies that have decided to implement MS software. I found excellent studies of Dell.com and Compaq.com, and I proceded to compare those. The assignment turned out well, and I gained full marks. Of course, I was a bit biased in emphasising Compaq.com's rock-solid Tru64 backend :-) My point here is that GNU/Linux, or at least individual distribution companies, need to have a central case database describing in detail the various implementations GNU/Linux is used for. This, I believe, is one the most effective forms of advertising that can be done, and it can go a long way in persuading businesses to adopt GNU/Linux. Perhaps MandrakeSoft should set up their own such system, or better yet sponsor one that represents GNU/Linux as a whole, irrespective of distribution? I think I'll post this at MandrakeForum as well. It looks like a good topic for discussion :-) On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:32, Lanman wrote: Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,...Here we go again. I'd like to suggest that we send in Duke Nuke'm to slap these guys around. What they don't seem to realize (Or maybe they do???Hmmm.) is that they're not just reporting the news (?) but they're one of the biggest reasons that popularity of Linux is being affected. Have you noticed that they spend a lot of time balancing their scales when pumping out this crap? Nope, Nada! Not one story of Linux in the office and on the desktop! Nice job of reporting the news objectively ! Guess that might cut down on your readers, eh? I was just at LinuxExpo Montreal, and one guy (Glenn Jacobson, President of Unique Systems Ltd. - www.uniqsys.com ), did a presentation about the Linux desktop in action. A legal firm of 100 people all running Linux, and ONLY Linux. This was just one of his clients. And it all runs on a Linux Thin Client/Thin Server network, too ! You don't hear about the success stories, do ya ? Of course Linux is great on servers. That's a known fact. Of course Linux still needs refinement and more apps for the desktop. So did Windows when it first came out! But you never hear about the increased security on the Linux workstation compared to Windows NT, do ya? What about the U.S. federal governments' imperative to push city governments, libraries, schools, etc., into switching over to Linux? I think the article I read said something like a total of 320 different government institutions? What about India (Or was it Pakistan?) where 50% of all government networks are totally Linux? The City that I admin for in Quebec, Canada has been getting a major roll-out and a migration to Mandrake-Linux, with only a few exceptions (Graphics on PC's and Macs). The staff has been undergoing retraining, and they're loving it! No more B.S.O.D.'s, fewer lock-ups and crashes, better solitare (er, forget that one, the boss is watching!) Personally I'm getting fed up with ZDNet, and some of these Linux sites where the writers and editors are bashing Linux in the name of reporting the news. Hey guys, if you're not part of the solution, You're part of the problem. Grab a brain. After all, are you running a Pro-Linux web-site to support the Linux Community? Or did Bill Gates slip you $20.00 ? Big Guns indeed. Maybe something even bigger? Someone else just posted to this group about Linux being dead for the desktop. Nice of him to send it to the list. But look at the references that the writer used for his article ! Eazel (which due to the availability of the source code can continue to develop in the Linux community), and Corel Linux! Please, don't make me laugh! Ever since Mike Cowpland left Corel, they haven't done diddley with it. Think that might have something to do with the Microsoft buy-in? Nah! Couldn't be! Microsoft wouldn't throw pocket change into Corel to stop them from developing Linux, would they? After all, they've never done it before, have they? And all of a sudden, Cowpland books! Gee, what a coinkydink! Personally, I'm going to be giggling my butt off when the Linux Community shows these guys how wrong they are! Good luck to all Windows XP users! You're in for the dot NET ride of your life! Enjoy the lack of privacy, and having all your
Re: [newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders
Try the tree command. It's basically a clone of the old DOS programme. For details: $ man tree You can send the output to a text file for printing (or directly to a printer if you really want): $ tree filename Note that if there are many files this can take a *very* long time. On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 23:46, Romanator wrote: Hi everybody, How can Linux allow the user to print out the root directory and include the sub folders only? For example /root/1st sub/2nd sub/ and so on. Rather than dragging the folder over the printer icon on the desktop, there must be a more user-friendly way of implementing this feature. I have noticed that Windows Explorer doesn't allow you to print out a root directory with its sub folders in Explorer. In fact I have never seen this at all, and many people have inquired about this omission. This would a nice print feature to add to your 'right-click' menu in Konqueror. Any ideas or thoughts? Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Merging Mail Folders
In the Mandrake menu system: Networking - Mail - KMail Import Or kmailcvt from a command line. There's no option for importing other MBOX (standard UNIX) mailboxes, but perhaps the Eudora or Pegasus import filters may work -- maybe with some changing of file extensions of the mail files to those of Pegasus or Eudora. On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 23:46, Tim Holmes wrote: I don't use a GUI mail client, but my sister uses KMail. I thought I saw an option for import/export. Not sure if that means you can assimilate mail into your mail boxes, but if you can, all you should need to do would be copy the folders to your $HOME and then use Kmail's drop down menus and import them. That may do the job for you! tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! Uptime: 9:44AM up 2 days, 23:37, 3 users, load averages: 0.04, 0.03, 0.00 | Try this, after closing Kmail and backing up all your mail files (just | in case): | | 1. In your /home/user/Mail directory, delete all *.index files. | 2. In this directory, make a subdirectory: .newmail.directory | 3. Copy your mail files from the other drive across into this | directory, leaving out *.index files. | 4. Do the same for the other drive, but make another directory to copy | to. | 5. Restart Kmail. | | On Thu, 21 Jun 2001 08:17, Richard Davies wrote: | Hi, | | I have 3 different hard drives here that have come from 3 different | systems and locations over the last 12 months. | All of them have the directories /home/user/Mail with Mail | containing different folders on each one inbox, outbox and sent mail | being common to them all. | I want to somehow merge all of these together on one drive so I can | scan back through all of the last 18 months mail without having to | load different mailboxes into Kmail. | | Thanks in advance for any bright ideas on how to do this. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] oh no... deleted something....
Did you do this in a console window? If you did a: rm file_name And told it verified that you wanted it deleted, then it's gone, and you can't get it back. Now if you had an icon some place and highlighed the icon and then clicked delete, then it should be in your TrashCan if you haven't emptied it. Tried looking in there. tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! Uptime: 10:49AM up 3 days, 42 mins, 3 users, load averages: 0.01, 0.01, 0.00 | X-RebelTech Is Here: www.rebeltech.ca | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit | | i have accidently deleted something that i need. how can i get it back? | i did not send it to the trashcan. | | ideas? | --
[newbie] RE: Connect w/ ISP, but unable to surf/ver. 8.0
This may be of interest: I tried Gnome out, and it was just as slow .. but I did get to a point where it asked me if I wanted to disable the LAN configuration. I tapped the disable button, but it still shows up when I try it again. Why is it going so slowly? Memory info: total 62,460/51,544 used (10,936 free 82% used) CPU info: authentic AMD-k6 3D processor, 500 MHZ ... cache size 64 kb. Disk info: 3443 MB, 2582 Free (2% full) ...there are 2 drives, but it only seed /dev/hda1. Rita --- civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 23 June 2001 06:47, Rita F. Koenigs wrote: MandrakeLinux 8.0 and the modem that is supposed to be linux-compatible were both installed by the Tech Center at CompUSA ... I'm not sure if the modem was completely configured now that I've done some seeking. For one thing in Harddrake, nearly all the components are assigned a module, while the modem is not ... I press the configure hardware button and it makes the false claim that it's a winmodem. I checked in the PCI device listing, and saw this about the modem: Serial controller: U.S. Robotics/3Com 56K FaxModem 5610 (rev 1), IRQ 5, 1/0 at 0xec00, bus 1, device 0, function 0. http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/20010604b.html Says this model IS OK, but I am very curious about the behavior. Harddrake is hard-pressed to have up-to-date databases with new models of modems out every week. Just a couple of months ago there were three PCI modems that were not winmodems, and just a couple of months ago, we released 8.0. It looks like the Ethernet controller that's been sitting in the box for a year or so unused *is correctly configured though (too bad I don't have a network hooked up, or a high speed connection)!! Whoa! If they configured the ethernet controller first, then the internet connection is looking at it as the default gateway. Go to Control Center=Network Internet=Connection Click on Expert Mode A button called Configure will appear. Click it. Make sure you remove the configuration for the Ethernet card--you can add it later as a LAN Now configure the modem then click on Configure Internet Access NOW, You should be able to maintain your connection--it is the default gateway that was wrong. Civileme How would I go about correcting the problem, short of going back to CompUSA? Rita --- Rita F. Koenigs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I opened KDE's Advanced Editor after finding /etc/resolv.conf. Edited it and saved it. This did not solve the problem. Rita === OK Rita, humor an old man ;o) Do not open a terminal (for command line), open a text editor. Any of the K editor's is fine, just be certain to do this as root. Now tell the editor to open the file /etc/resolv.conf. It may be almost empty (or indeed, empty). Now add the three lines I suggested in my last e-mail: search nocharge.com nameserver dns# nameserver dns# Now save those changes and try to connect again. This is a simple matter of editing text, not using the dreaded command line 8^) HTH, Mike __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] How do you figure out your port number for your workstation?
Chris Keelan wrote: On Sunday 17 June 2001 12:34, you wrote: Hi list, I'm trying to get KNode working. However, how do I find out what my port number is for Host, POP and SMPT? Just checking things out. Unless your ISP has some special settings, SMTP servers usually listen on TCP port 25, POP listens on TCP port 110 and NNTP usually listens on TCP 119. As Michael suggested, check /etc/services/ to verify this. - Chris Registered Linux User #219465 http://counter.li.org. Hi everybody, I tried to set up the following first through Look'N'Feel-Personalization-Email and Incoming Mail Incoming Mail Pop I clicked on the Incoming mailbox settings, the Hostname is called mail and in the port field, I type in: 110 For Username, I typed in: roman Password: 1234 Outgoing Mail SMTP I clicked on the Outgoing mailbox settings, the Hostname is called mail and in the port field, I type in: 25 For Username, I typed in: roman Password: 1234 I clicked on Apply and close the Control Center. After Kmail, I assigned the same characters and numbers When I selected outgoing, it appeared to transmitting, then an error message that the user name and password was wrong. Any ideas. I was thinking that it could be the firewall? I can't get Kmail to work. I don't know why there are 2 settings. One for control Center and another in Kmail. Any ideas other than not using it? Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
right... asking experienced people for help... it is this kind of mail that push me off linux... I did gave linux a try, post a few mails on this mailing list... how? got any help? NO!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeffrey M. Reed Sent: 24 June 2001 01:01 To: Romanator; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel?? On Saturday 23 June 2001 07:55, Romanator wrote: Where are our big guns? Please read this story when you have time. However, it's not all doom and gloom. http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,277 8923,00.html Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility ok, here we go again. i'm so happy when you guys post stuff like this because in all seriousness, all it does is piss me off. so forgive me because i'm about to spout. ok, not suited for the desktop? then why, oh why, do i use linux for EVERYTHING EXCEPT GAMES...ok? ACTUALLY, i take that back! now i have Quake 3, Alpha Centauri, and a boat load of FREE ones that i play on my linux box when i feel the need. you see, the miracle of this FREE OS is that it's conquered the HEARTS of people who TRULY APPRECIATE COMPUTING. the CORPORATE CULTURE lends itself to the world of MONEY and ADVOCACY. along with that, add freaky phrases like LICENSING, and PIRACY, and .net. how could they (meaning those WINTEL bastards) capitalize or function with a FREE system? they simply can't SELL IT. a lot of them don't even understand that it's for real. trust me...i work with these guys every day. again, a lot of these guys ASSUME that because it's free, then it must be, in linus's own words, 'a piece of crap'. linux is based on an IDEA...a principle if you willFREE. intel, and all these other idiots can shut the hell up. they're whining and complaining like every other typical american consumer when they get something for free. WHAT? I HAVE TO PUT IT TOGETHER? i try to make an analogy for people...something like: what if instead of just buying a car, you were sent the partsall of themfor free or at least for a very low price (which, by the way, can be done of course). the problem is, the car is completely disassembled. you don't even know where to start. so, you would probably spend a lot of TIME trying to figure it out. but, if you're curiosity factor was strong enough, you'd go out and spend a souple o' bucks on a CHILTON and start learning how to put the sucker together. eventuallly, through a little trial and error, you WOULD learn how to build a car...by reading the manuals and ASKING OTHER EXPERIENCED PEOPLE (aka mailing list!!!) how to put certain things together. maybe you would NEED to spend some extra cash for a mechanic to help you...maybe you would NEED to spend the extra cash to beef up your engine a little. but, after SUCCESSFULLY building your car, you would have yourself one nice ride. AND, then you could SHARE (aka bragging LOL) your experience with others who want to know how to do it. difficult process? yes. time consuming? yes. but in the end, you should feel pretty damn good because you just built your own car. AKA LINUX. this OS was never intentionally made for the market...it was a college kid's science project and of course, we've found a way to 'bastardize' it and throw it into out corporate marketplace. THAT IS NOT WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR. you all need to get that clear in your head...NOW. it's an experiment...it's a hobby...it is POWERFUL but it's power does NOT BELONG TO ANY ONE PERSON OR COMPANY. the beauty of this silly little science project is that NEVER has any one stupid little computer gadget sparked such a community effort worldwide! never has something so 'marketable' (aka FREE) become so available! think about it. i read these lists every day and more and more and more people are beginning to realize that the way we are 'used' to doing things does not have to be goverened by one company who's selling the 'standard' set of software with the 'standard' OS for a seemingly reasonable price...as long as you don't make illegal copies, you won't go to jail. isn't that a nice feeling? me thinks not. you now have a CHOICE. INTEL, has a CHOICE. M$, INTEL, Apple, AMD, ALL those guys...they can write all the shallow arguments they want. if linux is so 'non-standard', then why are there literally HUNDREDS of desktop environments available...and program packages? HELLOOO! what the hell is KDE? i've only been using linux for about a year now and in just a YEAR, i've seen KDE grow into something M$ WISHES they had. i just don't get where the hell they're going with THEIR argument. linux is the coolest damn thing since the friggin' ball point pen! all these companies...they're just PISSED because THEY DIDN'T THINK OF IT FIRST! if you like AOL, email, 'OFFICE' and all that shit, go ahead and stick with M$ because honeslty, i really have no problem with M$. hell, i studied their stuff and took
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
On Saturday 23 June 2001 11:17 am, Romanator wrote: You also hit the nail. Our market is flooded with so much substandard ICs and boards. I have caught many errors or crashes caused by hardware of which I thought was caused by software. I ended up replacing a board or chip and the crash disapeared. Is there a Wall Of Shame web page to post vendors/retailers and hardware that should be avoided for users? Roman Well, sort'a kind'a, but in reverse. Go to any of the 'magazine' review sites that push/recommend/advertise Windoze hardware ... like Cnet, ZDnet, etc. That's usually a strong indication of what NOT to buy and avoid ; Good 'Wall of Shame' pages. Also, if you need to d/l closed source, binary only drivers to make somethin fully functional, or work at all on Linux, that's a fair indicator it's use at your own risk, avoid if you possibly can hardware. So those manufacturers webpages and ftp sites make good 'Wall of Shame' pages. Jee, I bet I'm p!$$in off a bunch of GeForce owners ;~ AND then there's also many ready made manufacturers that have websites, like Dell, Gateway, Compaq, etc. . that make it easy to figure out what complete systems to shun and avoid. These are the best 'Wall of Shame' pages. Now I know I've p!$$ed off a bunch of y'all ; 'Course in all my pontificating, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that the responsibility for suitable hardware to run Linux on is solely the Linux users. Hopefully they make themselves aware of win-hardare and closed source driver issues before they even think about installing Linux for the first time. So there could be a 'Wall of Shame' page for some Linux users too. 'Course many of them wouldn't know, or accept if they did, that they're part of the win-hardware, Wintel problem. I'd nominate anyone who posts to this list but it works in Windows as always, Y'alls MMV ;Wall of Shame © Romanator ;) -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay Tom Brinkman wrote: I agree with all you say Sridhar, but I believe you didn't go nearly far enough. Intel, Windoze, and the big readymade vendors like Dell, love to push Wintel (eg, win motherboards, winmodems, winprinters, win video, win sound, win monitors, etc) on computer illiterate users. Neither Linux nor most of it's more savvy users will or can tolerate this substandard corner-cutting junk and the closed source/binary only drivers it requires to function. snip
RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
people can only help if they know of your problem,,, I have had many problems that I've had to solve myself,, because others have no knowledge of it... the fact is, that for many of the problems I have had, this list has been invaluable... The best way of fixing probs i have had, is to go to the linux goggle site, and enter in the error message.,.. I ususally find dozens of email archives about it and many include possible fixes... linux is a huge collection of apps... far more then MS, thats its power and its detrement... power because it can do almost anything, and detriment because it makes support that much harder... but over all, the extra apps and capabilities are worth the extra hassle... rgds Frank... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Loke Kit Kai Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2001 1:36 AM Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel?? right... asking experienced people for help... it is this kind of mail that push me off linux... I did gave linux a try, post a few mails on this mailing list... how? got any help? NO!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeffrey M. Reed Sent: 24 June 2001 01:01 To: Romanator; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel?? On Saturday 23 June 2001 07:55, Romanator wrote: Where are our big guns? Please read this story when you have time. However, it's not all doom and gloom. http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,277 8923,00.html Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility ok, here we go again. i'm so happy when you guys post stuff like this because in all seriousness, all it does is piss me off. so forgive me because i'm about to spout. ok, not suited for the desktop? then why, oh why, do i use linux for EVERYTHING EXCEPT GAMES...ok? ACTUALLY, i take that back! now i have Quake 3, Alpha Centauri, and a boat load of FREE ones that i play on my linux box when i feel the need. you see, the miracle of this FREE OS is that it's conquered the HEARTS of people who TRULY APPRECIATE COMPUTING. the CORPORATE CULTURE lends itself to the world of MONEY and ADVOCACY. along with that, add freaky phrases like LICENSING, and PIRACY, and .net. how could they (meaning those WINTEL bastards) capitalize or function with a FREE system? they simply can't SELL IT. a lot of them don't even understand that it's for real. trust me...i work with these guys every day. again, a lot of these guys ASSUME that because it's free, then it must be, in linus's own words, 'a piece of crap'. linux is based on an IDEA...a principle if you willFREE. intel, and all these other idiots can shut the hell up. they're whining and complaining like every other typical american consumer when they get something for free. WHAT? I HAVE TO PUT IT TOGETHER? i try to make an analogy for people...something like: what if instead of just buying a car, you were sent the partsall of themfor free or at least for a very low price (which, by the way, can be done of course). the problem is, the car is completely disassembled. you don't even know where to start. so, you would probably spend a lot of TIME trying to figure it out. but, if you're curiosity factor was strong enough, you'd go out and spend a souple o' bucks on a CHILTON and start learning how to put the sucker together. eventuallly, through a little trial and error, you WOULD learn how to build a car...by reading the manuals and ASKING OTHER EXPERIENCED PEOPLE (aka mailing list!!!) how to put certain things together. maybe you would NEED to spend some extra cash for a mechanic to help you...maybe you would NEED to spend the extra cash to beef up your engine a little. but, after SUCCESSFULLY building your car, you would have yourself one nice ride. AND, then you could SHARE (aka bragging LOL) your experience with others who want to know how to do it. difficult process? yes. time consuming? yes. but in the end, you should feel pretty damn good because you just built your own car. AKA LINUX. this OS was never intentionally made for the market...it was a college kid's science project and of course, we've found a way to 'bastardize' it and throw it into out corporate marketplace. THAT IS NOT WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR. you all need to get that clear in your head...NOW. it's an experiment...it's a hobby...it is POWERFUL but it's power does NOT BELONG TO ANY ONE PERSON OR COMPANY. the beauty of this silly little science project is that NEVER has any one stupid little computer gadget sparked such a community effort worldwide! never has something so 'marketable' (aka FREE) become so available! think about it. i read these lists every day and more and more and more people are beginning to realize that the way we are 'used' to doing things does not have to be goverened by one company who's selling the 'standard' set of software with the 'standard'
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
Did you know that we are agreeing with you?? We were quoting news articles on various web-sites and bashing them, O.K.?? Dan
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
I have to agree with Franki; The PC revolution in the last 10 to 20 years have created a demand for a ton of hardware and apps, but has not created the willingness to RTFM !! If people want to become mnore efficient with their PC's They're just going to have to open a book and (GASP!!) read ! Learning is not a bad thing. Seeing how we're going to be depending on computers more and more, it would make sense to learn what's under the hood, don't you think?? Dan On June 23, 2001 01:57 pm, you wrote: people can only help if they know of your problem,,, I have had many problems that I've had to solve myself,, because others have no knowledge of it... the fact is, that for many of the problems I have had, this list has been invaluable... The best way of fixing probs i have had, is to go to the linux goggle site, and enter in the error message.,.. I ususally find dozens of email archives about it and many include possible fixes... linux is a huge collection of apps... far more then MS, thats its power and its detrement... power because it can do almost anything, and detriment because it makes support that much harder... but over all, the extra apps and capabilities are worth the extra hassle... rgds Frank... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Loke Kit Kai Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2001 1:36 AM Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel?? right... asking experienced people for help... it is this kind of mail that push me off linux... I did gave linux a try, post a few mails on this mailing list... how? got any help? NO!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeffrey M. Reed Sent: 24 June 2001 01:01 To: Romanator; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel?? On Saturday 23 June 2001 07:55, Romanator wrote: Where are our big guns? Please read this story when you have time. However, it's not all doom and gloom. http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,277 8923,00.html Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility ok, here we go again. i'm so happy when you guys post stuff like this because in all seriousness, all it does is piss me off. so forgive me because i'm about to spout. ok, not suited for the desktop? then why, oh why, do i use linux for EVERYTHING EXCEPT GAMES...ok? ACTUALLY, i take that back! now i have Quake 3, Alpha Centauri, and a boat load of FREE ones that i play on my linux box when i feel the need. you see, the miracle of this FREE OS is that it's conquered the HEARTS of people who TRULY APPRECIATE COMPUTING. the CORPORATE CULTURE lends itself to the world of MONEY and ADVOCACY. along with that, add freaky phrases like LICENSING, and PIRACY, and .net. how could they (meaning those WINTEL bastards) capitalize or function with a FREE system? they simply can't SELL IT. a lot of them don't even understand that it's for real. trust me...i work with these guys every day. again, a lot of these guys ASSUME that because it's free, then it must be, in linus's own words, 'a piece of crap'. linux is based on an IDEA...a principle if you willFREE. intel, and all these other idiots can shut the hell up. they're whining and complaining like every other typical american consumer when they get something for free. WHAT? I HAVE TO PUT IT TOGETHER? i try to make an analogy for people...something like: what if instead of just buying a car, you were sent the partsall of themfor free or at least for a very low price (which, by the way, can be done of course). the problem is, the car is completely disassembled. you don't even know where to start. so, you would probably spend a lot of TIME trying to figure it out. but, if you're curiosity factor was strong enough, you'd go out and spend a souple o' bucks on a CHILTON and start learning how to put the sucker together. eventuallly, through a little trial and error, you WOULD learn how to build a car...by reading the manuals and ASKING OTHER EXPERIENCED PEOPLE (aka mailing list!!!) how to put certain things together. maybe you would NEED to spend some extra cash for a mechanic to help you...maybe you would NEED to spend the extra cash to beef up your engine a little. but, after SUCCESSFULLY building your car, you would have yourself one nice ride. AND, then you could SHARE (aka bragging LOL) your experience with others who want to know how to do it. difficult process? yes. time consuming? yes. but in the end, you should feel pretty damn good because you just built your own car. AKA LINUX. this OS was never intentionally made for the market...it was a college kid's science project and of course, we've found a way to 'bastardize' it and throw it into out corporate marketplace. THAT IS NOT WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR. you all need to get that clear in
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday 23 June 2001 11:17 am, Romanator wrote: You also hit the nail. Our market is flooded with so much substandard ICs and boards. I have caught many errors or crashes caused by hardware of which I thought was caused by software. I ended up replacing a board or chip and the crash disapeared. Is there a Wall Of Shame web page to post vendors/retailers and hardware that should be avoided for users? Roman Well, sort'a kind'a, but in reverse. Go to any of the 'magazine' review sites that push/recommend/advertise Windoze hardware ... like Cnet, ZDnet, etc. That's usually a strong indication of what NOT to buy and avoid ; Good 'Wall of Shame' pages. Also, if you need to d/l closed source, binary only drivers to make somethin fully functional, or work at all on Linux, that's a fair indicator it's use at your own risk, avoid if you possibly can hardware. So those manufacturers webpages and ftp sites make good 'Wall of Shame' pages. Jee, I bet I'm p!$$in off a bunch of GeForce owners ;~ AND then there's also many ready made manufacturers that have websites, like Dell, Gateway, Compaq, etc. . that make it easy to figure out what complete systems to shun and avoid. These are the best 'Wall of Shame' pages. Now I know I've p!$$ed off a bunch of y'all ; 'Course in all my pontificating, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that the responsibility for suitable hardware to run Linux on is solely the Linux users. Hopefully they make themselves aware of win-hardare and closed source driver issues before they even think about installing Linux for the first time. So there could be a 'Wall of Shame' page for some Linux users too. 'Course many of them wouldn't know, or accept if they did, that they're part of the win-hardware, Wintel problem. I'd nominate anyone who posts to this list but it works in Windows as always, Y'alls MMV ;Wall of Shame © Romanator ;) -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay Tom Brinkman wrote: I agree with all you say Sridhar, but I believe you didn't go nearly far enough. Intel, Windoze, and the big readymade vendors like Dell, love to push Wintel (eg, win motherboards, winmodems, winprinters, win video, win sound, win monitors, etc) on computer illiterate users. Neither Linux nor most of it's more savvy users will or can tolerate this substandard corner-cutting junk and the closed source/binary only drivers it requires to function. snip I'm sure there are going to be a number of angry posts as a follow up. Roman Registered Linux User #179293
RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
I don't understand what are you trying to put through to me... basically, my language is on the weaker side... I do hate what Microsoft is doing, and I am impressed with Mandrake, trying to provide a user friendly os, but it will stop there if other applications do not provide the same user friendness Mandrake has provided... Remember, the whole world is full of non techies, and people who do not want to spend lots of time configuring their system... I just started a company with my classmate... do you think I can afford to spend time trying to get the drivers for my efficient adsl modem when mandrake itself don't want to support me? I followed the instructions, and what did I get, blank response. I posted to this mailing list, and what did I get, blank response. If you were in my shoes, do you think you will still faithfully stick to linux to solve the problem? I am already thinking of getting new hardware to solve that problem, because I can't wait any longer... But any useful assistant for configuring Samba would be appreciated. Don't tell me to refer to the documentation, because I don't understand it... Now, I would love to see linux succeed, but from the looks of it, it still have a long way to go... How about you guys stop arguing about the articles, and do something about the interface to cater for people who are not techies!!! You can open up the computer to learn the parts doesn't mean that the rest of the world needs to... Every person in the world plays a different role, and that role doesn't need in depth understanding about the internal workings about the computer... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lanman Sent: 23 June 2001 14:34 To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel?? Did you know that we are agreeing with you?? We were quoting news articles on various web-sites and bashing them, O.K.?? Dan
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
John wrote: On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 02:44:34 -0400, Lanman wrote: I have to agree with Franki; The PC revolution in the last 10 to 20 years have created a demand for a ton of hardware and apps, but has not created the willingness to RTFM !! If people want to become mnore efficient with their PC's They're just going to have to open a book and (GASP!!) read ! Learning is not a bad thing. Seeing how we're going to be depending on computers more and more, it would make sense to learn what's under the hood, don't you think?? I couldn't agree more here too. As a shade tree PC Tech (working to get certified soon), I get so many calls from people who have just bought some kind of new software, a game, office stuff, whatever, and asking me what went wrong here, or why isn't it doing this, or how do I work this and that part of it, etc, etc... And every time I just shake my head in disgust and nicely tell them that I can't possibly know how every application works, that 'they' have to read the manual and see what they need to do. It's just simply mind boggling the lack of common sense in our world. I have been trying though to get people who just buy a system to try Linux. I have them download Peanut Linux and let them play around with it alongside M$, that way they aren't completely inundated with 'Stupid on the brain' M$ alone and have to actually try to use their thinking abilities to some extent. -- John, [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 23/06/2001 **Please report spammers to SpamCop! Use PocoMail for virus-free email and PGP to keep it all safe from prying eyes.** Marketing can be a very good or bad tool. This is a good time for retailers to assign some space for Linux so that people can experience it. However, people must spend the time to read rather than have things handed to them. If I am going to start my own business, I better know how things work and what I'm getting in to. The books and sites are out there. And yes, at times we can go off a bit but we also help a lot of people on this news group. Some times, people do not get an immediate answer. That's because nobody has an answer for you. If you don't get an answer than please repost or rephrase the problem. Roman
[newbie] Reiser FS and swap partitions
Hi. I decided to reinstall LM 8.0 using Reiser FS partitions. It is my understanding that this FS is more robust against accidental system shutdowns than standard ext2 Linux partitions. In addressing these questions, please keep in mind that I put higher value on stability than on speed and efficiency of the FS. I have a dual Xeon II system with 256MB RAM + 18.2 GB U2 SCSI drive. It currently has 4 NTFS + 1 FAT 32 partitions AND / /boot /root /home /usr /usr/local /tmp /var + 2 Linux swap partitions. The latter were all created using diskdrake. a. Are they Reiser FS modules in LM 8.0 experimental or are have they been thoroughly tested? b. Do Reiser FS partitions happily coexist with standard Linux swap partitions? What about their co-existence with NTFS partitions. I am asking this because, after I reinstalled LM 8.0 with Reiser partitions, I can no longer boot Windows 2000 with LILO (It worked fine when I was running LM 8.0 using standard ext2 Linux partitions). I should point out that I rebuild the Reiser FS trees so that may have damaged the Windows partitions. c. If I have 256MB of RAM should I have 4 x 128 swap partitions or 1 x 512 MB swap partition (I am under the assumption that one should have 256x2=512MB of total swap space)? d. How many partitions can I create using diskdrake? Diskdrake in LM 8.0 only allows the creation of 8 Reiser + 2 swap partitions in addition to my existing 4 NTFS and 1 FAT32 partition. Sincerely, Kouros
Fwd: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
I did it again, ment to send this to the list not just the individual.. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel?? Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:54:50 -0400 From: Dennis M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeffrey M. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Saturday 23 June 2001 13:00, you wrote: On Saturday 23 June 2001 07:55, Romanator wrote: Where are our big guns? Please read this story when you have time. However, it's not all doom and gloom. http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,277 8923,00.html Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility big snip it's nice to have a CHOICE instead of my choices all being made for me. THAT, is truly american...independence and individual thinking. freedom. thanks for letting me vent...i'll shut up now. Ok, I was going to be quiet,but now I have to throw my two cents in. I have given my cheapbytes copy of Mandrake to two other people cause they said It's time I tried linux, what do you suggest? They are trying it because they see the writing on the wall with XP and they hear me talking about the only time my system goes down is if I am messing with it to see what happens if I do this? and I proceed to do something ignorant., but in 5 to 10 minutes I am back up and running. Now my wife after having been nocked off of AOL for the umpteenth time and fighting with Office 97, says to me, your going to have to teach me how to use linux. That's three people in the last 2 weeks and just me. How many of you out there are experiencing the same? I see the snowball rolling down hill and that sucker is getting bigger every day. Now RedHat has a net server OS called TUX 2.0 that runs packets through at 3 times the speed of NT. And that measure for peak could only be made after they took two of the cpus out of the server running the benchmark! Linux is on the verge. I personnally don't care if it replaces MS or not, just so It continues to develope and provide me with the choice of spending a bunch of money on something I have no control over or paying fair market value for something I can taylor to my needs. THE PENGUIN IS MY HERO! Now I will shut up. Thanks for tuning in. -- Dennis M. registered Linux user #180842 --- -- Dennis M. registered Linux user #180842
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
Hey Franki; Thanks for handling this guy. He was replying to me, and I explained a few things to him as well. I hadn't seen his original posts about his problems, but of course, given enough information, and the time required, I'm sure someone would be able to help him. but he doesn't seem interested in learning how to do these things himself. Just wants it working. Too bad. We may not be here the next time he needs help. Sure would help him a lot if he could get a handle on this for the next time. Dan
Re: [newbie] Reiser FS and swap partitions
On Saturday 23 June 2001 03:41 pm, Kouros Owzar wrote: I have a dual Xeon II system with 256MB RAM + 18.2 GB U2 SCSI drive. It currently has 4 NTFS + 1 FAT 32 partitions AND / /boot /root /home /usr /usr/local /tmp /var + 2 Linux swap partitions. The latter were all created using diskdrake. I'm only gonna attempt to partially answer your questions since I have a single user desktop system, and yours is evidently more than that. a. Are they Reiser FS modules in LM 8.0 experimental or are have they been thoroughly tested? Reiser is still beta. I've been using it since 7.2beta3, now on 8.0 with no problems running 24/7 since last September when I switched from ext2. b. Do Reiser FS partitions happily coexist with standard Linux swap partitions? Does here. I have a 250mb /swap and the rest of the 8g drive is all in one big / formatted ReiserFS. I haven't seen complaints anywhere about Reiser not getting along with either swap or ext2 What about their co-existence with NTFS Here's where I have to drop out. I dual boot W98 (fat32)/Mandrake. Billy hasn't gotten any money from me since W98 (and he didn't then either, or for W95 for that matter ;) I'd say you be much better off asking these questions on the expert or cooker mailing lists. Searching the linux-kernel archive might also be a good idea. I lurked there a few months ago for awhile, and there was much ReiserFS discussion. -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
Re: [newbie] LM 8 Gateway Athlon Problem, Can't do workaroundwith DL version
I am on the verge of having this problem solved for myself. Thought I would let people know so no one waste their time replying to my post. I will post back with a description of what I did once I have it perfectly clear in my own mind. Have a great day! David Nelson --
[newbie] Kmail goes but in tray is empty
This could be directed to any one that is connected to cable through the @Home service. I can email to myself via roman@cr820141-a to the server(my computer Hostname) to my local @Home domain and back through Netscape 4.77 and back. Seems Look'N'Feel-Personalization-Email and Kmail are all tied in. Any cable users or at @Home people experiencing this? I have a static IP and I know the DNS server addresses. Cheers! Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Powered By Loop de Loop Tux Email Myself Utility \
Re: [newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders
How about ls -lR | grep drwx lp or whatever the printer re-direct is. It may not be as pretty as you like it, but it's a start. You could write a script to re-format it. Miark - Original Message - From: Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 7:46 AM Subject: [newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders Hi everybody, How can Linux allow the user to print out the root directory and include the sub folders only? For example /root/1st sub/2nd sub/ and so on. Rather than dragging the folder over the printer icon on the desktop, there must be a more user-friendly way of implementing this feature. I have noticed that Windows Explorer doesn't allow you to print out a root directory with its sub folders in Explorer. In fact I have never seen this at all, and many people have inquired about this omission. This would a nice print feature to add to your 'right-click' menu in Konqueror. Any ideas or thoughts? Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
[newbie] Viral Software?
Here's one to tighten your shorts: lwn.net/daily/#t48 After calling Linux unAmerican (that always plays well outside of the USA), and a cancer, Microsoft's latest deal is to refer to Linux as viral software, following Chairman Bill's interview earlier in the week. Orwell was right, he just had the timetable wrong... Carroll
[newbie] Help~! Help~!
Help Me! 1. when i 1st time install Linux Mandrake 7.1, i got no problem. But i dont know how to uninstall it. 2. Then i try to install Linux Mandrake 7.2, it still can work. But there is a problem, i dont' want Linux as a default OS (I have Windows 98 that is still in the hard disk) Unfortunately, i dont' know how to set the default. 3. After i install Linux Mandrake 7.2, and i had done something in the LILO (i dont' know what i had done what to the LILO). When i started my computer, then i got this message Stage1 Geom Error. No thing moving in my computer. 4. Then i try to install Linux Red Hat 6.2(may be is chinese version). (While installing Linux, I had some time reset my computer.) When i reinstall the Linux Mandrake 7.2, my computer had hanged two time(because i install it two times.) 5. Now the problem is here, my hole hdd can't read. i use msdos for fdisk it but cant'. At last, i use Red Hat 7.2 to format my hdd. Now my hdd is about 2GB. My hdd capacity is about 8GB. Q1: How to reset my hdd to 8 GB? Q2: Why the 'State1 Geom Error' out, nothing is moving to my computer? Q3: How to set my sound card so that i can listen music? Reply me as soon as possible! Thank you! __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders
On Sunday 24 June 2001 01:34, Miark wrote: How about ls -lR | grep drwx lp or whatever the printer re-direct is. It may not be as pretty as you like it, but it's a start. You could write a script to re-format it. [...] I think that should be ls -lR | grep drwx | lp, otherwise you should get an access denied message. -- Peter Ruskin, Wrexham, Wales. Registered Linux User No. 219434 ( see http://counter.li.org/ ) Linux Mandrake release 8.0 (Traktopel) for i586 Linux 2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin-pnr, KDE: 2.1.2, Qt: 2.3.1 Uptime 1 day 0 hours 59 minutes
[newbie] How to use the joystick
Hi! I know this may sound trivial but: How do I enable the joystick? I have an integrated ES1373 sound chip on my motherboard and I plug a cheap analog Radioshack joystick into the sound port. I am using OSS in Mandrake 7.2 (2.2-17 kernel), at the moment. Thanks, George Petri
Re: [newbie] kmail and tiny firewall
Harry Hansman wrote: Hello, I recently installed LM8. Kmail was working fine, then I installed tiny firewall through the mandrake control centre, now Kmail won't send mail. It still receives. After disabling the firewall the problem remains. Thanks for any help Harry Hansman Hi Harry, You have a very point. I'm going to give it try. I might even remove the ipchains rpm. Thanks, Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: [newbie] Viral Software?
Completely unprofessional. Orwell was right. This is very sad. Carroll Grigsby wrote: Here's one to tighten your shorts: lwn.net/daily/#t48 After calling Linux unAmerican (that always plays well outside of the USA), and a cancer, Microsoft's latest deal is to refer to Linux as viral software, following Chairman Bill's interview earlier in the week. Orwell was right, he just had the timetable wrong... Carroll
[newbie] Problem with su
Hi I'm having a problem using the su command, this is the error i'm getting: File size limit exceeded thanx -- Amien Salie Registered Linux User #172465 Register @ http://counter.li.org/
[newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders by binding command to Konqueror
Hi Miark, It's a good command. I know it works but my printer is out of ink. While in KDE, can some one open /.kde and see if this command will start up and send a simple text file to a printer? It would make a good tip. Roman Miark wrote: How about ls -lR | grep drwx lp or whatever the printer re-direct is. It may not be as pretty as you like it, but it's a start. You could write a script to re-format it. Miark - Original Message - From: Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 7:46 AM Subject: [newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders Hi everybody, How can Linux allow the user to print out the root directory and include the sub folders only? For example /root/1st sub/2nd sub/ and so on. Rather than dragging the folder over the printer icon on the desktop, there must be a more user-friendly way of implementing this feature. I have noticed that Windows Explorer doesn't allow you to print out a root directory with its sub folders in Explorer. In fact I have never seen this at all, and many people have inquired about this omission. This would a nice print feature to add to your 'right-click' menu in Konqueror. Any ideas or thoughts? Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
[newbie] java not working in Staroffice 5.2
I have MD 8.0 installed and also 5.2 staroffice. Everything seems to be working except for the java in Staroffice. It works fine in Netscape and Konqueror The program did find a runtime environment for jdk 1.3.1 by sun which I installed ahead of time. Well at least I ran the RPM for the JDK fileit was unclear if there were any other steps I needed to take to get the virtual machine working. I fought and fought to get this far and then the silly thing won't work in java based sites..lol. Your help is greatly appreciated! frustrated tazmun
Re: [newbie] java not working in Staroffice 5.2
Dave Miers wrote: I have MD 8.0 installed and also 5.2 staroffice. Everything seems to be working except for the java in Staroffice. It works fine in Netscape and Konqueror The program did find a runtime environment for jdk 1.3.1 by sun which I installed ahead of time. Well at least I ran the RPM for the JDK fileit was unclear if there were any other steps I needed to take to get the virtual machine working. I fought and fought to get this far and then the silly thing won't work in java based sites..lol. Your help is greatly appreciated! frustrated tazmun Sun's site says that it will only recognize the Blackdown 1.1.8 version. You can get by with just the jre rather than pull down the full jdk edition. I extracted the *.tar.gz in my /usr and the next time I opened so5.2, it automatically detected it. No further configuration was necessary. Barry
[newbie] True Type Fonts in StarOffice5.2?
Dear friends: I have a dual-boot LM 8.0/Win98 SE. Thanks to Mandrake, I've been using True Type fonts in Netscape and Mozilla since LM 7.1. Question: Is there any way to use these True Type fonts in StarOffice 5.2? StarOffice's print fonts are fine. They look very good indeed. But its screen fonts are atrocious. Can anything be done about this? Thank you. Benjamin -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Problem with su
I just went thru the same thing last week. Some nice gents from the expert list told me to look in /etc/security/limits.conf and comment out the line about fsize at the bottom. -s On Saturday 23 June 2001 09:17 pm, you wrote: Hi I'm having a problem using the su command, this is the error i'm getting: File size limit exceeded thanx -- Amien Salie Registered Linux User #172465 Register @ http://counter.li.org/
Re: [newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders
Roman, You're talking about printing a tree of folders? Nice idea. Can't see myself using it a lot, but what the hey. How about the option of customing the right-click menu for just about anything, or for repetitive jobs. Kinda like a wizard that sees the things you do most, and allows you to put them into the right-click menu? Dan On June 23, 2001 09:46 am, you wrote: Hi everybody, How can Linux allow the user to print out the root directory and include the sub folders only? For example /root/1st sub/2nd sub/ and so on. Rather than dragging the folder over the printer icon on the desktop, there must be a more user-friendly way of implementing this feature. I have noticed that Windows Explorer doesn't allow you to print out a root directory with its sub folders in Explorer. In fact I have never seen this at all, and many people have inquired about this omission. This would a nice print feature to add to your 'right-click' menu in Konqueror. Any ideas or thoughts? Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: [newbie] Printing the root folder including the corresponding folders
I would like the option of customizing the right-click menu. Sort'a like a kpanel for right-clicks. I like it already. Gotta get to work. Lanman wrote: Roman, You're talking about printing a tree of folders? Nice idea. Can't see myself using it a lot, but what the hey. How about the option of customing the right-click menu for just about anything, or for repetitive jobs. Kinda like a wizard that sees the things you do most, and allows you to put them into the right-click menu? Dan On June 23, 2001 09:46 am, you wrote: Hi everybody, How can Linux allow the user to print out the root directory and include the sub folders only? For example /root/1st sub/2nd sub/ and so on. Rather than dragging the folder over the printer icon on the desktop, there must be a more user-friendly way of implementing this feature. I have noticed that Windows Explorer doesn't allow you to print out a root directory with its sub folders in Explorer. In fact I have never seen this at all, and many people have inquired about this omission. This would a nice print feature to add to your 'right-click' menu in Konqueror. Any ideas or thoughts? Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
Linux is gaining ground. And, I don't think Intel is totally ignoring Linux. So, some blame is being placed on the writers presenting their articles! I thought they were supposed to be pro Linux. You know - hang in there and all that... What'ya mean Linux desktop is dead? If we took that attitude with everything, we wouldn't have any technology. If I had these guys on a football team they would be on the bench. Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: This is proof that the Wintel Cartel lives on after the antitrust trial (where Intel testified against M$). After all these years, did you think that it would just roll-over and die? Of course not. Here, we have a symbiotic relationship. Both Intel chips and M$ apps have become ubiquitous standards on the desktop from helping each other. Now this arrangement is scaling both up into the server (Itanium and WinXP) and down into embedded devices (StrongARM and WinCE). GNU/Linux is a threat to Intel because of its portability. Anyone can compile GNU/Linux code to run on many other non-Intel hardware platforms, like those of IBM, Sun, HP and Compaq -- in other words, Intel's main competition. However, GNU/Linux is gaining ground on the server, and Intel realise that they'd be idiots to oppose it at the high-end. Corporates are more likely to switch to another OS than an ordinary home user (who is probably still trying to find the any key). On the desktop, Intel are faced with a rejuvenated Apple, employing Motorola's version of the PowerPC design. Remember the whole CISC vs RISC war of the early- to mid- 1990s? Apple chips were actually faster than Intel ones, but what saved Intel was their ability to turn MegaHertz into a commodity (i.e. Intel had more MHz per processor, fooling people into believing that their systems were quicker) and the fact that Windows ran on x86. Now Intel are also faced with competition on their own turf, in the guise of AMD and Transmeta (among others). AMD already have almost a quarter of the desktop CPU market, and they aim for 30% by year's end. Notice how more vigorously AMD are promoting GNU/Linux compared to Intel? AMD's x86-64 architecture will be incompatible with Itanium's, and there is no guarantee that M$ will make a Windos port for it. They need a good OS, and they've found one in GNU/Linux. Intel, of course, doesn't like that. Intel will surely support (i.e. run) GNU/Linux, but they won't actively promote it (much), since it just gives the competition a leg-up. So in conclusion, both Intel and Microsoft are mutually-beneficial monopolies (to use the economic, not the dictionary, definition). It doesn't make any business sense to promote another hardware architecture (MS) or OS (Intel). At the same time, however, other hardware and software platforms cannot be totally ignored. On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:55, Romanator wrote: Where are our big guns? Please read this story when you have time. However, it's not all doom and gloom. http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,2778923,00.html Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie]
Did you mount the floppy? mount /dev/floppy /mnt/floppy Do that as root of course, and then try to access the floppy. I'd suggest cd /mnt/floppy and then doing an ls -la, but you could also try to click on the icon and use the GUI as well. tdh i-- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! Uptime: 10:34AM up 3 days, 26 mins, 3 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00 | Finally, my health permits an attempt to learn something of MD Linux ver | 7.2. As any newbie might, after an apparently snag free installation, I | click on the kde desktop icons. Access to the cdrom is ok but a click on | the floppy icon produces the fol msg box: | *unable to enter file:/mnt/floppy. You do not have | access rights to this location*. (even tho I'm root) | | Initially, I thought the problem may lie with the fact that I'd added an | LS-120 floppy (which connects via the hdd data cable) but removing same | had no effect. I downloaded MD 8 with the same problem manifesting. Have | done numerous installations on both shared hdd as well as LM alone but no | joy. | | Processor type pentium2 @400 mHz | RAM 128 | HD type ide 10gb | CD-ROM type ide | Graphic card ATI 3D Rage Pro Video RAM 8 | Sound card SB 16-bit Network card 3Comm 10/100 | | Request assistance. | -Ken --
Re: [newbie] Connect w/ ISP, but unable to surf/ver. 8.0
On Saturday 23 June 2001 06:47, Rita F. Koenigs wrote: MandrakeLinux 8.0 and the modem that is supposed to be linux-compatible were both installed by the Tech Center at CompUSA ... I'm not sure if the modem was completely configured now that I've done some seeking. For one thing in Harddrake, nearly all the components are assigned a module, while the modem is not ... I press the configure hardware button and it makes the false claim that it's a winmodem. I checked in the PCI device listing, and saw this about the modem: Serial controller: U.S. Robotics/3Com 56K FaxModem 5610 (rev 1), IRQ 5, 1/0 at 0xec00, bus 1, device 0, function 0. http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/20010604b.html Says this model IS OK, but I am very curious about the behavior. Harddrake is hard-pressed to have up-to-date databases with new models of modems out every week. Just a couple of months ago there were three PCI modems that were not winmodems, and just a couple of months ago, we released 8.0. It looks like the Ethernet controller that's been sitting in the box for a year or so unused *is correctly configured though (too bad I don't have a network hooked up, or a high speed connection)!! Whoa! If they configured the ethernet controller first, then the internet connection is looking at it as the default gateway. Go to Control Center=Network Internet=Connection Click on Expert Mode A button called Configure will appear. Click it. Make sure you remove the configuration for the Ethernet card--you can add it later as a LAN Now configure the modem then click on Configure Internet Access NOW, You should be able to maintain your connection--it is the default gateway that was wrong. Civileme How would I go about correcting the problem, short of going back to CompUSA? Rita --- Rita F. Koenigs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I opened KDE's Advanced Editor after finding /etc/resolv.conf. Edited it and saved it. This did not solve the problem. Rita === OK Rita, humor an old man ;o) Do not open a terminal (for command line), open a text editor. Any of the K editor's is fine, just be certain to do this as root. Now tell the editor to open the file /etc/resolv.conf. It may be almost empty (or indeed, empty). Now add the three lines I suggested in my last e-mail: search nocharge.com nameserver dns# nameserver dns# Now save those changes and try to connect again. This is a simple matter of editing text, not using the dreaded command line 8^) HTH, Mike __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] cable modem, router problem
Meanwhile, I'm not exactly sure how those routers identify themselves, but I have a guess. I THINK the router's switch port has a MAC address. And that's probably why it's causing a problem. RoadRunner identifies machines on it's Cable network via MAC address. When you had your machine set up, they found out what your MAC address was, then programed the modem and the DHCP server to accept traffic from that address. Well now you've introduced something else to get an IP address. So your router goes on says I'm MAC address, give me an IP address. The DHCP server then goes hi MAC address. Nice to meet you, but I don't know who you are! Then doesn't give an IP Address. So when you remove that one link, and go directly through the cable modem, your machine does the same thing. But the DHCP server goes, AH!! I know who you are. Here's your IP address. What you'll most likely have to do is find out what the MAC address for the router is and then contact Comcast. (Or whom ever's reselling RoadRunner there. Here in Michigan it's Comcast.) Let them know you need to change the MAC address they recognize. Even explain the situation to them if needed. When I ordered two new IP addresses he told me I could just buy a router and save money, so I'm sure it's acceptable through their eyes. But again, I don't know how those routers identify themselves. So they may not actually have a MAC address. But that sound like how it's done, and that would make sense why you can't get to the outside world. Hope that helps, and I hope I'm right! lol ;0) tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! Uptime: 8:59AM up 2 days, 22:51, 3 users, load averages: 0.03, 0.01, 0.00 | First of all thanks to everyone in advance, and I apologize for the long | post! | | I am unable to connect through my router to my cable modem. I subscribed | last week to Road Runner service here in the New York City area. In order to | set up a quick LAN I purchased a Netgear RT314 Gateway Router and 2 NIC | cards. I have 2 computers on the network; my wife's Win95 machine and my box | dual booting Win2K and Mandrake 7.1. | | On my pc in Win2K everything works fine obtaining IP and DNS addresses | automatically. And in Mandrake when I connect the cable directly from my | Netgear FA312 NIC card using dhcp, to the Toshiba DOCSIS PCX1100U cable | modem, that works fine also. But everything fails when I plug into the | router. Pump fails on boot, and also fails if I try to activate the card in | the Network Configurator control-panel. I have tried to set the IP address | manually and specifying a default gateway:192.168.0.1 (my router) but with | no luck. I am not even able to ping the router. | | I have searched and looked at every posting, archive and FAQ I could get my | hands on and cannot figure it out. All the ones that I have seen address how | to connect directly to the modem, not through a network. (Big thanks to the | Linux Road Runner HOW-TO Web site, and to Donald Becker for writing the | natsemi.c driver that got my FA312 card working!) If anybody has any ideas | or suggestions or url's that would point me into the right direction it | would be a great help. | | Here is my configuration info from Network Configurator; | NAMES | Hostname: jdowns (my account name) | Domain: nyc.rr.com | HOSTS | IP: 127.0.0.1 | Name: localhost.localdomain | Nicknames: localhost | INTERFACES | Interface: lo | Ip: 127.0.0.1 | proto: none | atboot: yes | Interface: eth0 | Ip: | proto: dhcp | atboot: yes | DEVICE: eth0 | Ip: | Netmask: 255.255.255.0 | Activate at boot time | | This is the configuration that works when I plug directly into the cable | modem. | | Again sorry for the long post, and many thanks to everyone! | | Jim Downs | | | --
RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
As for your problem with ADSL, I remember emailing you (think it was you.) to let you know that because there are so many variations on how ADSL is setup, that its neearly impossible to point you to any one howto on the subject.. I have an ADSL modem that connects to my hub or directly to a second net card on my router box, and it does everything,, all I have to do is setup the static IP and gateway and dns stuff, and it works great on MDK 7.2... maybe you should look at that as a possible solution,, the ADSL modem is an Alcatel (and its one of only a few on their site..) it also depends on if you ISP supports the option,, but the modem also supports ppp over adsl, or pppoe,,, without knowing specifically what methods your ISP supports, or the modem they gave you, or the adsl equipment at the phone exchange,, how do you expect us to instruct you to do it?? ADSL is fairly new, its not standardised that much yet,, so everyone seems to be implimenting it differently. you need to find others that use your ISP, and possibly linux, and ask them what their setup entailed. since your isp won't really help you with linux, perhaps you should ask them for a description of how they have implimented adsl and then you have some info to go looking for on the web.. you don't need to really understand linux, you just have to understand how to find info and tips/fixes to do stuff (I do it all the time and it hasn't failed me yet..) The biggest reason you got little assistance on this list is simple, to show you what I mean here is an example, you have told us you have a problem with your car, it won't go, how do I fix it? we can't tell you, because we don't know what type, model and usage is, and we only know from you that it didn't go,, could you diagnose something like this? I have dealt with ISP's on a professional basis for years now, and they do something every similar with windows,,, most common tech responces 1. somthing wrong with your modem, or its a win modem, replace it.. 2. add this modem string to reduce line speed, see if that improves something. 3. remove all network stuff from control panel/network and add them all again. 4. your windows install is buggared, reload it and try again 5. your problem is client ineptness, pay us money and we will come and fix it for you. The problem you discribe isn't a linux issue, its just that because windows is more common on the desktop, everyone pays more attention to making sure it works.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of civileme Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2001 6:04 AM To: Loke Kit Kai; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel?? On Saturday 23 June 2001 18:49, Loke Kit Kai wrote: I don't understand what are you trying to put through to me... basically, my language is on the weaker side... I do hate what Microsoft is doing, and I am impressed with Mandrake, trying to provide a user friendly os, but it will stop there if other applications do not provide the same user friendness Mandrake has provided... Remember, the whole world is full of non techies, and people who do not want to spend lots of time configuring their system... I just started a company with my classmate... do you think I can afford to spend time trying to get the drivers for my efficient adsl modem when mandrake itself don't want to support me? I followed the instructions, and what did I get, blank response. I posted to this mailing list, and what did I get, blank response. If you were in my shoes, do you think you will still faithfully stick to linux to solve the problem? I am already thinking of getting new hardware to solve that problem, because I can't wait any longer... But any useful assistant for configuring Samba would be appreciated. Don't tell me to refer to the documentation, because I don't understand it... Now, I would love to see linux succeed, but from the looks of it, it still have a long way to go... How about you guys stop arguing about the articles, and do something about the interface to cater for people who are not techies!!! You can open up the computer to learn the parts doesn't mean that the rest of the world needs to... Every person in the world plays a different role, and that role doesn't need in depth understanding about the internal workings about the computer... Check MandrakeFreq. Damien has been working really hard on ADSL support. Still, a lot of hardware is unsupported because manufacturers just make it and write windows drivers for it and market it, leaving the linux community with a job of reverse engineering that is iffy and expensive, all in the name of Intellectual Property. Now this list isn't the only place to get support. Did you try MandrakeExpert? www.mandrakeexpert.com The link is on your desktop. There is also an expert mailing list, where people get help, and there is a huge step-by-step on
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
On Saturday 23 June 2001 18:04, civileme wrote: Check MandrakeFreq. Damien has been working really hard on ADSL support. Still, a lot of hardware is unsupported because manufacturers just make it and write windows drivers for it and market it, leaving the linux community with a job of reverse engineering that is iffy and expensive, all in the name of Intellectual Property. I feel that manufactors couldn't care less for the Linux community since they view it as a bunch of pirates and hackers. Of course, if the Linux community would stop projecting this image, things might change. Now this list isn't the only place to get support. Did you try MandrakeExpert? www.mandrakeexpert.com The link is on your desktop. I have tried that route and never got a response. But I get all the help I need right here and from the Mandrakeuser.org There is also an expert mailing list, where people get help, and there is a huge step-by-step on setting up samba at www.mandrakeuser.org Mandrakeuser.org is an excellent resource for help. There are docs there covering just about everything that could go wrong. But if you need things in a real hurry, get out the wallet and buy the Gates solutions and be prepared to pay a small army of people who have passed the certification exams (often the product of boot camps where they take the tests several times a day, and are coached by their instructors on what they did wrong)... Oh and also, get the best data backup you can find, because you will be using it a lot. And make sure before you buy that your idea of how to do business matches theirs because you will be fighting wizards uphill all the way if you want to do something a little different. I have noticed boot camps for Linux as well. In fact boot camps seem to be on the rise for a lot of stuff nowadays. As for backing up your data, well, I certainly hope that Linux users are doing so. At work, the AIX, Solaris, Windows, Novell servers are backed up nightly. Nothing like a good backup for insurance. Windows gives you a ton of choices to use. Your business ideas doesn't have to follow anyones. There is a wealth of Windows applications out there. Even free ones on places like nonags.com and freeware32.com, etc You certainly aren't limited. You could choose to purchase software that is very well supported and rock solid (ever notice how much of the software is better than the Windows OS?) Or just make do with the free stuff. So you have a choice, a quick and mediocre soultion, with few choices, or a longer one with understanding (not to the level of programming, but some) and the ability to make your own choices, and the ability to trust the software. Either comment above fits Linux and Windows. Linux can be a real shitty deal at times. A lot of the software out there is crummy and not supported. The Red Hat 7.0 fiasco also comes to mind when thinking of a mediocre solution. Hell if you look at Linux' choices for the Office desktop, it is Linux that has very little to offer. The complexity, lack of corporate support, limited choices of production software (Office suites, mainframe emulators, etc), lack of multimedia support, etc, make Linux a poor choice. Mind you, I use Linux at work and at home, but then I don't like the idea of a shake and bake OS. Besides, I like learning new things and with Linux you can not only learn about the OS, but programming, hardware, and general troubleshooting. Windows is a pain since you have to ask for the source code (good luck!), pay for SDK's, etc. And that choice is yours. If you put a little more effort into looking and a little less into criticism, I think you would find what you want, but you have to make that choice. We are not here to make choices for you. If you have reached the conclusion that because a newbie list cannot help you with an expert problem, you have to jump to windows, so be it. I agree with the above. While Linux has its problems, it also has its strengths. With a good Linux distro (Mandrake), a good book and the willingness to try, you could get around most of the limitations. True the lack of Office Suites or even a full feature wordprocessor is not something you could get around at the point. But most of the other stuff is there, though somewhat cruder. But what I like the most is that you can actually communicate with the programmer and get your input take into future revisions. That is very exciting! Overall I feel that Windows has its place. Most folks don't want to learn mechanics, they just want to drive. For those folks Windows is just fine. Others like to open the hood and get dirty, Linux is custom made for those. Finally, after dealing with the brain dead Windows users at the office (I work as a desktop support tech) who can't even create a simple shortcut on their desktops, I get a thrill when sitting down on my PC and read emails about folks who can't get something
Re: [newbie] How do you figure out your port number for your workstation?
Alan Shoemaker wrote: Romanator wrote: Chris Keelan wrote: On Sunday 17 June 2001 12:34, you wrote: Hi list, I'm trying to get KNode working. However, how do I find out what my port number is for Host, POP and SMPT? Just checking things out. Unless your ISP has some special settings, SMTP servers usually listen on TCP port 25, POP listens on TCP port 110 and NNTP usually listens on TCP 119. As Michael suggested, check /etc/services/ to verify this. - Chris Registered Linux User #219465 http://counter.li.org. Hi everybody, I tried to set up the following first through Look'N'Feel-Personalization-Email and Incoming Mail Incoming Mail Pop I clicked on the Incoming mailbox settings, the Hostname is called mail and in the port field, I type in: 110 For Username, I typed in: roman Password: 1234 Outgoing Mail SMTP I clicked on the Outgoing mailbox settings, the Hostname is called mail and in the port field, I type in: 25 For Username, I typed in: roman Password: 1234 I clicked on Apply and close the Control Center. After Kmail, I assigned the same characters and numbers When I selected outgoing, it appeared to transmitting, then an error message that the user name and password was wrong. Any ideas. I was thinking that it could be the firewall? I can't get Kmail to work. I don't know why there are 2 settings. One for control Center and another in Kmail. Any ideas other than not using it? Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility Romanjust a guess, but I believe the pop server probably should be listed as mail.home.com not just mail. -- Alan Hi Alan, I'll give it a try. It's quite strange. I had the same problem with Pine. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 02:44:34 -0400, Lanman wrote: I have to agree with Franki; The PC revolution in the last 10 to 20 years have created a demand for a ton of hardware and apps, but has not created the willingness to RTFM !! If people want to become mnore efficient with their PC's They're just going to have to open a book and (GASP!!) read ! Learning is not a bad thing. Seeing how we're going to be depending on computers more and more, it would make sense to learn what's under the hood, don't you think?? I couldn't agree more here too. As a shade tree PC Tech (working to get certified soon), I get so many calls from people who have just bought some kind of new software, a game, office stuff, whatever, and asking me what went wrong here, or why isn't it doing this, or how do I work this and that part of it, etc, etc... And every time I just shake my head in disgust and nicely tell them that I can't possibly know how every application works, that 'they' have to read the manual and see what they need to do. It's just simply mind boggling the lack of common sense in our world. I have been trying though to get people who just buy a system to try Linux. I have them download Peanut Linux and let them play around with it alongside M$, that way they aren't completely inundated with 'Stupid on the brain' M$ alone and have to actually try to use their thinking abilities to some extent. -- John, [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 23/06/2001 **Please report spammers to SpamCop! Use PocoMail for virus-free email and PGP to keep it all safe from prying eyes.**
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
On Saturday 23 June 2001 18:49, Loke Kit Kai wrote: I don't understand what are you trying to put through to me... basically, my language is on the weaker side... I do hate what Microsoft is doing, and I am impressed with Mandrake, trying to provide a user friendly os, but it will stop there if other applications do not provide the same user friendness Mandrake has provided... Remember, the whole world is full of non techies, and people who do not want to spend lots of time configuring their system... I just started a company with my classmate... do you think I can afford to spend time trying to get the drivers for my efficient adsl modem when mandrake itself don't want to support me? I followed the instructions, and what did I get, blank response. I posted to this mailing list, and what did I get, blank response. If you were in my shoes, do you think you will still faithfully stick to linux to solve the problem? I am already thinking of getting new hardware to solve that problem, because I can't wait any longer... But any useful assistant for configuring Samba would be appreciated. Don't tell me to refer to the documentation, because I don't understand it... Now, I would love to see linux succeed, but from the looks of it, it still have a long way to go... How about you guys stop arguing about the articles, and do something about the interface to cater for people who are not techies!!! You can open up the computer to learn the parts doesn't mean that the rest of the world needs to... Every person in the world plays a different role, and that role doesn't need in depth understanding about the internal workings about the computer... Check MandrakeFreq. Damien has been working really hard on ADSL support. Still, a lot of hardware is unsupported because manufacturers just make it and write windows drivers for it and market it, leaving the linux community with a job of reverse engineering that is iffy and expensive, all in the name of Intellectual Property. Now this list isn't the only place to get support. Did you try MandrakeExpert? www.mandrakeexpert.com The link is on your desktop. There is also an expert mailing list, where people get help, and there is a huge step-by-step on setting up samba at www.mandrakeuser.org But if you need things in a real hurry, get out the wallet and buy the Gates solutions and be prepared to pay a small army of people who have passed the certification exams (often the product of boot camps where they take the tests several times a day, and are coached by their instructors on what they did wrong)... Oh and also, get the best data backup you can find, because you will be using it a lot. And make sure before you buy that your idea of how to do business matches theirs because you will be fighting wizards uphill all the way if you want to do something a little different. So you have a choice, a quick and mediocre soultion, with few choices, or a longer one with understanding (not to the level of programming, but some) and the ability to make your own choices, and the ability to trust the software. And that choice is yours. If you put a little more effort into looking and a little less into criticism, I think you would find what you want, but you have to make that choice. We are not here to make choices for you. If you have reached the conclusion that because a newbie list cannot help you with an expert problem, you have to jump to windows, so be it. Civileme
[newbie] Help~! Help~!
Help Me! 1. when i 1st time install Linux Mandrake 7.1, i got no problem. But i dont know how to uninstall it. 2. Then i try to install Linux Mandrake 7.2, it still can work. But there is a problem, i dont' want Linux as a default OS (I have Windows 98 that is still in the hard disk) Unfortunately, i dont' know how to set the default. 3. After i install Linux Mandrake 7.2, and i had done something in the LILO (i dont' know what i had done what to the LILO). When i started my computer, then i got this message Stage1 Geom Error. No thing moving in my computer. 4. Then i try to install Linux Red Hat 6.2(may be is chinese version). (While installing Linux, I had some time reset my computer.) When i reinstall the Linux Mandrake 7.2, my computer had hanged two time(because i install it two times.) 5. Now the problem is here, my hole hdd can't read. i use msdos for fdisk it but cant'. At last, i use Red Hat 7.2 to format my hdd. Now my hdd is about 2GB. My hdd capacity is about 8GB. Q1: How to reset my hdd to 8 GB? Q2: Why the 'State1 Geom Error' out, nothing is moving to my computer? Q3: How to set my sound card so that i can listen music? Reply me as soon as possible! Thank you! __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[newbie] Help~! Help~!
Help Me! 1. when i 1st time install Linux Mandrake 7.1, i got no problem. But i dont know how to uninstall it. 2. Then i try to install Linux Mandrake 7.2, it still can work. But there is a problem, i dont' want Linux as a default OS (I have Windows 98 that is still in the hard disk) Unfortunately, i dont' know how to set the default. 3. After i install Linux Mandrake 7.2, and i had done something in the LILO (i dont' know what i had done what to the LILO). When i started my computer, then i got this message Stage1 Geom Error. No thing moving in my computer. 4. Then i try to install Linux Red Hat 6.2(may be is chinese version). (While installing Linux, I had some time reset my computer.) When i reinstall the Linux Mandrake 7.2, my computer had hanged two time(because i install it two times.) 5. Now the problem is here, my hole hdd can't read. i use msdos for fdisk it but cant'. At last, i use Red Hat 7.2 to format my hdd. Now my hdd is about 2GB. My hdd capacity is about 8GB. Q1: How to reset my hdd to 8 GB? Q2: Why the 'State1 Geom Error' out, nothing is moving to my computer? Q3: How to set my sound card so that i can listen music? Reply me as soon as possible! Thank you! __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[newbie] Connect w/ ISP, but unable to surf/ver. 8.0
MandrakeLinux 8.0 and the modem that is supposed to be linux-compatible were both installed by the Tech Center at CompUSA ... I'm not sure if the modem was completely configured now that I've done some seeking. For one thing in Harddrake, nearly all the components are assigned a module, while the modem is not ... I press the configure hardware button and it makes the false claim that it's a winmodem. I checked in the PCI device listing, and saw this about the modem: Serial controller: U.S. Robotics/3Com 56K FaxModem 5610 (rev 1), IRQ 5, 1/0 at 0xec00, bus 1, device 0, function 0. It looks like the Ethernet controller that's been sitting in the box for a year or so unused *is correctly configured though (too bad I don't have a network hooked up, or a high speed connection)!! How would I go about correcting the problem, short of going back to CompUSA? Rita --- Rita F. Koenigs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I opened KDE's Advanced Editor after finding /etc/resolv.conf. Edited it and saved it. This did not solve the problem. Rita === OK Rita, humor an old man ;o) Do not open a terminal (for command line), open a text editor. Any of the K editor's is fine, just be certain to do this as root. Now tell the editor to open the file /etc/resolv.conf. It may be almost empty (or indeed, empty). Now add the three lines I suggested in my last e-mail: search nocharge.com nameserver dns# nameserver dns# Now save those changes and try to connect again. This is a simple matter of editing text, not using the dreaded command line 8^) HTH, Mike __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] How do you figure out your port number for your workstation?
Romanator wrote: Chris Keelan wrote: On Sunday 17 June 2001 12:34, you wrote: Hi list, I'm trying to get KNode working. However, how do I find out what my port number is for Host, POP and SMPT? Just checking things out. Unless your ISP has some special settings, SMTP servers usually listen on TCP port 25, POP listens on TCP port 110 and NNTP usually listens on TCP 119. As Michael suggested, check /etc/services/ to verify this. - Chris Registered Linux User #219465 http://counter.li.org. Hi everybody, I tried to set up the following first through Look'N'Feel-Personalization-Email and Incoming Mail Incoming Mail Pop I clicked on the Incoming mailbox settings, the Hostname is called mail and in the port field, I type in: 110 For Username, I typed in: roman Password: 1234 Outgoing Mail SMTP I clicked on the Outgoing mailbox settings, the Hostname is called mail and in the port field, I type in: 25 For Username, I typed in: roman Password: 1234 I clicked on Apply and close the Control Center. After Kmail, I assigned the same characters and numbers When I selected outgoing, it appeared to transmitting, then an error message that the user name and password was wrong. Any ideas. I was thinking that it could be the firewall? I can't get Kmail to work. I don't know why there are 2 settings. One for control Center and another in Kmail. Any ideas other than not using it? Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility Romanjust a guess, but I believe the pop server probably should be listed as mail.home.com not just mail. -- Alan
Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
It would be great topic. Go for it!. I think GNU/Linux as a whole can be provided for all schools. I can't see a school turning down a free OS. Educating the public is of paramount importance. However, we need wome one to teach the teachers. The public is ready for alternatative. I am sure that the number of users getting interested in and contributing to Linux are much higher than shown in any case study. Roman Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: This brings up an interesting point. Many people and organisations don't switch to GNU/Linux because they don't know of any real-world case studies that demonstrate its success. My information systems subjects at uni are full of real-world case studies, and we (well, at least I) learn well by reading them (we've done a few great GNU/Linux studies too :-). In one assignment earlier this year, I had to compare two e-commerce sites on a technical (not just superficial) level. Although I wanted to profile companies that ran GNU/Linux, I couldn't find any good examples on the WWW to use. In the end, I was forced to stoop to the worst possible level -- I consulted Microsoft.com. There, I found a large section full of case studies describing the systems infrastructure of companies that have decided to implement MS software. I found excellent studies of Dell.com and Compaq.com, and I proceded to compare those. The assignment turned out well, and I gained full marks. Of course, I was a bit biased in emphasising Compaq.com's rock-solid Tru64 backend :-) My point here is that GNU/Linux, or at least individual distribution companies, need to have a central case database describing in detail the various implementations GNU/Linux is used for. This, I believe, is one the most effective forms of advertising that can be done, and it can go a long way in persuading businesses to adopt GNU/Linux. Perhaps MandrakeSoft should set up their own such system, or better yet sponsor one that represents GNU/Linux as a whole, irrespective of distribution? I think I'll post this at MandrakeForum as well. It looks like a good topic for discussion :-) On Sat, 23 Jun 2001 11:32, Lanman wrote: Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,...Here we go again. I'd like to suggest that we send in Duke Nuke'm to slap these guys around. What they don't seem to realize (Or maybe they do???Hmmm.) is that they're not just reporting the news (?) but they're one of the biggest reasons that popularity of Linux is being affected. Have you noticed that they spend a lot of time balancing their scales when pumping out this crap? Nope, Nada! Not one story of Linux in the office and on the desktop! Nice job of reporting the news objectively ! Guess that might cut down on your readers, eh? I was just at LinuxExpo Montreal, and one guy (Glenn Jacobson, President of Unique Systems Ltd. - www.uniqsys.com ), did a presentation about the Linux desktop in action. A legal firm of 100 people all running Linux, and ONLY Linux. This was just one of his clients. And it all runs on a Linux Thin Client/Thin Server network, too ! You don't hear about the success stories, do ya ? Of course Linux is great on servers. That's a known fact. Of course Linux still needs refinement and more apps for the desktop. So did Windows when it first came out! But you never hear about the increased security on the Linux workstation compared to Windows NT, do ya? What about the U.S. federal governments' imperative to push city governments, libraries, schools, etc., into switching over to Linux? I think the article I read said something like a total of 320 different government institutions? What about India (Or was it Pakistan?) where 50% of all government networks are totally Linux? The City that I admin for in Quebec, Canada has been getting a major roll-out and a migration to Mandrake-Linux, with only a few exceptions (Graphics on PC's and Macs). The staff has been undergoing retraining, and they're loving it! No more B.S.O.D.'s, fewer lock-ups and crashes, better solitare (er, forget that one, the boss is watching!) Personally I'm getting fed up with ZDNet, and some of these Linux sites where the writers and editors are bashing Linux in the name of reporting the news. Hey guys, if you're not part of the solution, You're part of the problem. Grab a brain. After all, are you running a Pro-Linux web-site to support the Linux Community? Or did Bill Gates slip you $20.00 ? Big Guns indeed. Maybe something even bigger? Someone else just posted to this group about Linux being dead for the desktop. Nice of him to send it to the list. But look at the references that the writer used for his article ! Eazel (which due to the availability of the source code can continue to develop in the Linux community), and Corel Linux! Please, don't make me laugh! Ever since Mike Cowpland left Corel, they haven't done diddley with it. Think that might have something to do with the
