Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win? was: partizioni NTFS - notebook
- Original Message - From: Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win? was: partizioni NTFS - notebook Allora se leggete la mia e-mail ho sritto chiaramente che secondo me windows resta il miglior sistema operativo per l'utente medio. Ciao, ti rispondo anche se sono la persona meno indicata ma essendo un utente medio ritengo di poter dire la mia. Sono un libero prof. che per lavoro utilizza prg che girano in ambiente win (contabilità e fiscali). Ora, non mi piace sputare nel piatto in cui ho sempre mangiato (se non era per la facilità d'uso di win non avrei mai acquisito una certa dimestichezza col pc e solo ora che la mandrake ha messo in giro una versione user friendly mi sto avvicinando al mondo del pinguino) però non so dire se sia il miglior sistema operativo. Una cosa sono i prg l'altra il sistema. Mi spiego sotto win e sotto linux (prima di cancellare l'hd ma lo reinstallero') usavo staroffice e ti devo dire che non ho avuto la minima difficoltà a scrivere un testo sotto win o linux. Dopo circa una settimana ero già in grado di navigare in internet, e fare esattamente tutto quello che facevo sotto win (eccetto scannerizzare in quanto mdk 8.1 e 8.2 non vedono lo hub) qualche difficoltà l'ho incontrata per la masterizzazione ma grazie a qualche aiuto ho risolto anche quel problema. Se le aziende fornissero prg adatti a linux e' ovvio che ci sarebbe una maggiore migrazione. Non a tutti interessa smanettare col kernel o altro (perché bisogna studiarci sopra e se non lo fai per lavoro, studio o solo passione non ne vedo quella grossa utilità). Re -installerò appena posso linux sia per la posta che per prendere un po' + di confidenza e se un giorno la soft house decidesse di fare un prg anche per linux potrei decidere di migrare completamente. Personalmente non ho la minima intenzione di abbandonare windows eh eh se i vs clienti usano win è ovvio ;-) semplicemente ho voluto aprire la mente e vedere un pò com'era il mondo oltre microsoft, come ho fatto io al contrario di molti utenti linux e mac che hanno abilmente oscurato le loro menti alle altre scuole di pensiero e che io ho definito, con una chiara e scherzosa provocazione talebani. In effetti imho a volte c'è un po' troppo estremismo non mi abbia risposto, come qualcuno in un altro newsgroup: Si ma linux dimostra le sue migliori performance da linea di comando.E io Ok ma nel 2001 usi ancora le righe di comando? Per favore... e lui è rimasto di nuovo bello brasato. Tempo fa' mi si era inchiodato il pc e non andava + nemmeno in modalità provvisoria (win98 o me boh) è venuto un amico e con qualche comando dos lo ha fatto ripartire e mi ha detto + o - oggi non tutti sarebbero in grado di farlo in quanto il dos è dimenticato e sono tutti abituati a win ma alcune cose con win non le farai mai... si riferiva appunto alle righe di comando Un altro amico sta' facendo la tesi d'ing. informatica e anche lui era molto scettico quando gli raccontavo di staroffice e linux ebbene anche se è stato costretto (in facoltà vogliono tesi e lavori praticamente fatti con linux) ha installato linux e fa' la tesi con Lyx che ha reputato assai superiore (+ difficile da imparare) a word almeno per le tesi. La + grande soddisfazione l'ho comunque provata quando è venuto a chiedermi staroffice per poter fare i grafici. Il fatto che trovi win ancora il meglio sul mercato dipende da molteplici questioni. La ms ha applicato in passato una strategia geniale: ha reso facilmente duplicabile il proprio software (senza spendere miliardi in marketing) creando così uno standard. Quanti credi siano coloro che hanno Office e che lo abbiano pagato fra gli utenti medi? Quanti cambiano da win98 a me a xp e ogni volta spendono centinaia di euro per una licenza? O comprano i giochini? Eppure se volessero con un disco chiave potrebbero impedire la diffusione illegale dei propri prodotti. Così anno dopo anno hanno creato centinaia di schiavi che senza win non saprebbero + come fare a meno che qualcuno come te decida di provare comunque un'alternativa. Trovo i pacchetti software di windows più funzionali rispetto a quelli di linux e che esista davvero di tutto. Personalmente a favore di win trovo che ci sia molta + documentazione in italiano rispetto a linux o magari microstation per i disegnatori meccanici. Avete un vecchio plotter? Con linux buttatelo via con windows vi comprate il pacchetto di driver winline ed ecco che tutto torna a funzionare alla grande. Beh dipende dal costruttore del plotter. Inoltre se qualcuno cominciasse a chiedere espressamente i driver per linux a costo di non comprare il plotter o comprarlo dalla concorrenza vedi come si adeguerebbero in fretta ;-) Ok grande, con linux ho l'open source e posso aggiornare il kernel, va bene fatelo fare al distinto 50enne che s'è appena preso il pc e poi gli dite: Sai con widows ti scarichi gli aggiornamenti
Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win? was: partizioni NTFS - notebook
Alle 02:43, giovedì 27 giugno 2002, hai scritto: E' vero ma ti assicuro che è una cosa che alla maggior parte degli utenti di pc importa poco e si sa che di solito nel commercio vince il più grande e il più scaltro. Vorrei sentirmi dare delle spiegazioni tecniche sulla validità di linux e non delle spiegazioni di tipo etico che alla fine nell'utilizzo del pc valgono poco. Mah, è singolare questa visione del mondo. :-)) Qualsiasi strumento che si utilizza, o meglio, il modo in cui lo si utilizza riflette la componente etica (anche se il termine non è esatto). Ma passaimo oltre. Io vi ho dato delle motivazioni tecniche oggettive sulla bontà del s.o. microsoft (facilità d'uso,supporto hardware sterminato,qualità e vastità del software,diffusioneetc... ) senza dimenticarmi dei difetti (ingombro,scarsa stabilità...) mi piacerebbe leggere qualcosa di simile sul pinguino, se potete. Grazie Bene. Io sono uno di quelli che non è nato informaticamente con microsoft. Ho iniziato ad occuparmi di computer e di informatica in generale comprandomi (ai tempi dei tempi) uno Spectrum 48K, leggendomi il manualetto allegato e cominciando a derapare tra programmini su nastro e basic. Già. Allora se volevi un programma per una funzione particolare dovevi mettere mano al basic e fartelo. L'esperienza è continuata con Il Sinclair QL (proc. Motorolòa 68008), quindi con Amiga. Contemporaneamente, ovviamente, avevo già conosciuto i pc compatibili, l'ms-dos ecc. Quindi come vedi ci sono anche persone che non si sono formate con gli strumenti microsoft: quindi, se permetti, non mi riconosco nella parte critica che si riferisce a questo aspetto. :-) Per farla breve, mi sono già dilungato abbastanza, ti dico che con Linux faccio esattamente quello che faccio con windows, cioè svolgo tutte le operazioni che un utente medio-evoluto riesce a compiere. Un discorso a parte è la programmazione (sono consulente informatico e sviluppatore software) in cui resto legato a windows per il solo fatto che i clienti mi richiedono programmi e consulenze per questo sistema operativo. Un sistema Linux, una volta configurato, non ha niente da invidiare ad un sistema windows. A meno, questo ovviamente te lo concedo, non voglia applicazioni particolari (tipo cad, come mi sembra affermavi tu). Ora nessuno deve sputare su piatto su cui mangia, ma ciò non deve trasformarci in esseri acritici. Io penso che una sana concorrenza possa stimolare microsoft a fare meglio e a cambiare strategia (quella monopolistica - per intenderci). Perché è innegabile che i prodotti microsoft, pur avendo una diffusione capillare, pur avendo un parco software praticamente illimitato, soffrono di bug sulla sicurezza e sulla stabilità. Una sicurezza ed una stabilità che io vorrei anche su una semplice stazione casalinga e non solo sui server. Linux mi da queste caratteristiche: fai conto che l'amministrazione del mio studio professionale la gestisco su una linux box e utilizzo per questo mysql, openoffice, ecc. E non rinuncio certo alle comodità dell'interfaccia grafica, e qui sono in pieno accordo con te: l'interfaccia grafica costituisce una grado eccellente dello sviluppo tecnologico e indietro non si torna (anche se, per amore del vero, l'utilizzo della shell a volte mi gratifica - però per favore non catalogarmi come un talebano, per questo). Ciao Sandro -- Dr. Sandro Porrazzini - A.I.P. n. 2075 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mandrake Linux 8.1 on Pentium III 688 Mhz Linux Machine # 103048 Linux User # 203143
Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win
fino a ieri sera volevo chiedervi di piantarla con ste cazzate filosofiche ma stamattina... ho accompagnato mio figlio in una scuola superiore per iscriverlo, tra le tante cose ci hanno detto che gli faranno prendere il patentino europeo per l'uso del pc (ecp). Ho chiesto in cosa consistesse... = utilizzo dei programmi di m$ office. ma perchè nemmeno di prova a insegnare l'uso del Pascal, del C, del basic anche? fare una macro?, un file batch? anche solo la struttura di un programma? ormai viene considerato inutile insegnare ad ingegnarsi col poco che si ha a disposizione, bisogna sempre ricorrere alla (costosa) soluzione preconfezionata. ma a pensarci bene 10 anni fa con 2mb di ram, supercalc, wordstar e paradox, un pacco di macro doskey, qualche .bas e uno schermo nero avevo la stessa efficenza di ora. con la differenza che adesso sono in balia del registro di win$ e soprattutto non mi diverto più. il massimo dell'ingegno è cercare sulla rete (con google) il programmino che faccia quello che mi serve. (grazie bill che ci fai risparmiare l'uso dei nostri neuroni.) credo che l'approccio alle distro-linux e all'open.source sia il sistema più rapido, per chi ne ha voglia naturalmente, per evitare il wincoglionimento che ci propinano. e adesso basta co sta storia saluti alla lista. gg _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win
Alle 09:54, giovedì 27 giugno 2002, hai scritto: HHH finalmente qualcosa che ha movimentato la ml Ciao.anche io come ku68 sono un utente medio anzi agiungerei medio basso! quindi penso ti possa interessare il mio punto vista! L'uso del pc che faccio io e asimilabile ad una machiana da scrivere un giornale per i siti web e spratutto un enorme cd x la musica. Come hai ribadito tu piu volte Microsoft fa della facilita d'uso uno dei suoi cavalli di bataglia che senza dubbio è un suo pregio da nn sotovalutare! anche io come te mi sono detto maxkecazzolina in linux non deve essere lo stesso? un bel winfindus preconfezionato da scartare scaldare e con 4 salti in padella (4 clik) pronto da usare! (anzi te lo sei mai chiesto?) io si! e l' unica spiegazione che mi sono dato è ke Microsoft ha i miliardi e GNU-linux ha gli spicioli! non sono ne uno studente di informatica ne un adetto ai lavori ma per quel poco che ho capito creare un interfaccia grafica da clik non è poi cosi semplice e immediato,specialmente per pgm complessi , figuriamoci per un itero S.O.! Microsoft puo stipendiare centinaia di miliaia di persone per far sviluppare un prodotto complesso ma semplice da usare...linux puo contare solo su qualche miliaio di svilupatori a tempo pieno (stipendiati) e su un tot di sviluaptori agratis ( del tipo oggi che esco dalla fabbrica e non sono molto stanco.scrivo altre 5 stringhe di programma)! Credo cmq che il mondo linux si stia avicinado sempre piu a quello che intendi tu! un uso dal utonto mediola MDK ne è una prova!! ma senza rinunciare al pieno controllo del sistema..il semplice fatto che outlok mi faccia partire la musicetta a al apertura di una determinata mail mi fa girare le sacre palle di giove! alle volte mi verebbe vogli di strappare una palla al programmatore di win e mettergliela in mano cosi da asomigliare alla dea minerva! scusatemei x lo sfogoma queste cose mi fanno veramente incax! Quindi quando tu dici che monopolio,concorenza sleale e di conseguenza valanghe di $ hanno davero valore 0 nn tieni conto del fatto che tutto ruota a torno ai $! quindi con cio cosa volevo dire!...non lo so ma i fatti mi cosano!!! Ciao , Tom Insomma ragazzi mi rendo conto che le mie idee pro windows e microsoft debbano aver creato una piccola tempesta all'interno del gruppo, ma tutto sommato credete che se non avessi un minimo di fiducia nel pinguino mi sarei iscritto a 'sta mailing list? ;) Sto imparando e non può che farmi piacere aver trovato un bel pacchetto di utenti che in gran parte ha ribattuto alle mie argomentazioni con altre argomentazioni altrettanto buone ( a parte le faccende su etica, monopolio e filosofia perbenista del commercio che in questo campo secondo me hanno davvero valore 0) Resto per ora della mia idea pro windows, d'altronde mi sto avvicinando al pinguino. Solo un paio di precisazioni ancora. e badiamo, l'utente medio, installa (forse) l'antivirus, ma raramente lo aggiorna. infatti gli ultimi antivirus ,come pc cillin, se in versione completa,si aggiornano automaticamente dalla rete. l'utente medio, non conosce neppure l'esistenza di un firewall e se lo trova, lo disabilita, perchè crearsi le policy è noioso... In xp è già presente una discreta firewall perchè mai, la linea di comando sarebbe obsoleta? perchè non posso fare 20 operazioni col mio pc, da linea di comando, al posto di 2 in finestra grafica? Perchè con l'interfaccia grafica faccio 2 click e spesso risolvo il problema, con la riga di comando sto un quarto d'ora a digitare devo impararmi un puttanaio di comandi a memoria e farmi un sacco di nervoso quell'utente se vole usare il pc come una macchina da scrivere è meglio che si compri una olivetti e tanta carta copiativa, altrimenti dopo due schermi blu, o uno scandisk con perdita di ore di lavoro (l'utente medio non salva mai, e quando salva, non ricorda dove) o un word che si è bloccato perchè non ha il correttore croato i il sillabatore per l'armeno... Tu sai che office ha un opzione di salvataggio automatico dopo 10 min.di default (che si può disattivare o modificare) e che quando non trova qualche componente importante ti dice una roba tipo: Inserisci il cd di installazio ne che ti metto la roba che serve così continui a lavorare? Ciao e grazie.
Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win
Alle 09:54, giovedì 27 giugno 2002, hai scritto: ( a parte le faccende su etica, monopolio e filosofia perbenista del commercio che in questo campo secondo me hanno davvero valore 0) Ma credi che il mondo dell'informatica sia un mondo a parte? Che non faccia parte dell'insieme dei rapporti umani in cui si miscelano, inesorabilmente, anche fattori etici? Per te, ovviamente, non hanno valore. Ma hanno valore in se' in quanto nella realtà delle cose essi esistono e ci si deve rapportare. Ti consiglio di allargare un po' i tuoi orizzonti. Sandro -- Dr. Sandro Porrazzini - A.I.P. n. 2075 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mandrake Linux 8.1 on Pentium III 688 Mhz Linux Machine # 103048 Linux User # 203143
[newbie-it] Breve su: Linux o Win
Insomma tra esperti del settore, studenti di informatica e appassionati vari: Confrontate la gestione dei processi tra linux e win e scoprirete perche' i matematici (qui nel nostro dipartimento win e' estinto) usano linux. Ciao Luigi -- Not all who wander are lost (Tolkien) Luigi De Pascale: Indirizzo: Dipartimento di Matematica Applicata U.Dini Via Bonanno Pisano 25/B, 56126 Pisa, ITALY Tel.: +39/050/844745 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win? was: partizioni NTFS - notebook
Caro Roberto ti rispondo perchè la cortesia è una prerogativa umana, ma le tue argomentazioni sono fuori luogo in questa lista e impertinenti per lo spirito che l'anima. Roberto wrote: Allora se leggete la mia e-mail ho sritto chiaramente che secondo me windows resta il miglior sistema operativo per l'utente medio. Sei sicuro che lo stai dicendo solo a noi utenti linux o non lo dici per te stesso per autoconvincerti ? Noi lo sappiamo come stanno le cose... Personalmente non ho la minima intenzione di abbandonare windows ma semplicemente ho voluto aprire la mente [...] Ognuno è libero di scegliere. Comunque la tua mente non è aperta abbastanza per capire che noi non siamo i tuoi pazienti. Ok ma nel 2001 usi ancora le righe di comando? Per favore... e lui è rimasto di nuovo bello brasato. Il fatto è che noi già conosciamo i sistemi windows. Se tu conoscessi meglio Linux ne rimarrai pure tu affascinato. Qui non si tratta solo di provare o non provare, Linux è un altro modo di essere, dove si può imparare di più. Il fatto che trovi win ancora il meglio sul mercato dipende da molteplici questioni. Trovo i pacchetti software di windows più funzionali rispetto a quelli di linux e che esista davvero di tutto. Linux è open source, liberamente distribuibile e copiabile e quindi poco appetibile per le speculazioni commerciali ma questo è inutile ripeterlo. I risparmi che ne derivano però per un utente attento sono notevoli e la flessibilità pure. Molte scuole e università usano oggi Linux con grossi vantaggi, in Germania addirittura stravedono per questo sistema operativo alternativo che è potente e più di windows. Il tempo gli darà ragione se prevarrà il buon senso ... Secondo me tutti gli utenti del mondo dovrebbero sostenere annualmente l'open source con una piccola offerta libera e secondo le proprie possibilità. Se la realtà dell'opensource verrà meno allora saremo veramente nei guai. Daltro canto è essenziale che le distribuzioni Linux debbano collaborare tra loro e cercare di uniformarsi il più possibile accantonando tentazioni di rivalsa, offrendo necessariamente un sistema operativo di base unico e compatibile che forte di questa sinergia abbia l'unica differenza fra le varie distribuzioni determinata solo dalla potenza dei tool di configurazione propri. Altrimenti rischiano in futuro di fare lo stesso giogo di M$. Lavoro per un distributore di programmi cad (se vi interessa http://www.paolocasella.it/) e come sapete per Linux non esiste praticamente alcun programma veramente potente di questo genere, come Archline e allplane per gli studi tecnici architettonici o magari microstation per i disegnatori meccanici. Avete un vecchio plotter? Con linux buttatelo via con windows vi comprate il pacchetto di driver winline ed ecco che tutto torna a funzionare alla grande. Si continua a fare paragoni inutili ... li conosciamo bene i motivi di tutto questo. Per questo penso che la tua è solo propaganda e pubblicità personale gratuita oppure sei tu il paziente. Ok grande, con linux ho l'open source e posso aggiornare il kernel, va bene fatelo fare al distinto 50enne che s'è appena preso il pc e poi gli dite: Sai con widows ti scarichi gli aggiornamenti dalla rete e per installare un programma basta che clicchi su un disegnino 2 volte col mouse. Attenzione io infatti ho parlato e già ve l'ho detto di utente medio. Sono proprio loro che si arrabbiano più degli altri quando devono scaricare drivers certificati per XP, acquistare periferiche certificate per XP e se vogliono utilizzare programmi previsti per le versioni precedentiu di windows questi non accettano la multiutenza o danno problemi, poi quando col tempo (poco tempo... ) l'utente medio si adegua, una nuova versione viene rilasciata e per non essere tagliati fuori ricomincia l'agonia, tutto questo si traduce in un cattivo investimento. Allora bisogna rivedere il concetto userfriendly per i sistemi windows. Penso sia indubbio che su una grande rete aziendale o per un server di rete, linux non solo sia più indicato di windows ma gli faccia addirittura le scarpe. No comment. Dovete però capire una cosa, che la stragrande maggioranza dell'utenza (e questo lo provo giornalmente sul campo) dei pc non è fatta di gente come noi che ha esperienza e il tempo di smanettare con linux ma di persone che hanno bisogno della massima facilità d'uso (conosco stimatissimi professionisti che fanno fatica a decomprimere un file zippato), della certezza che se attaccano un pezzo nuovo al pc questo funzioni (il problem di linux coi modem è storia vecchia) che se devono installare un programma lo facciano nella maniera più intuitiva possibile. A me personalmente Linux ha installato il modem senza nessuna fatica senza chiedermi driver o altro ed era un modem che con XP mi chiedeva il driver certificato, il vecchio driver rilasciato col modem previsto per windows 2000 non era buono perchè con XP non funzionava.
Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win? was: partizioni NTFS - notebook
Caro Roberto ti rispondo perchè la cortesia è una prerogativa umana, ma le tue argomentazioni sono fuori luogo in questa lista e impertinenti per lo spirito che l'anima. Linux è un sistema operativo libero e te la prendi perchè dico quello che penso e movimento un pò la lista? mah... Ognuno è libero di scegliere. Comunque la tua mente non è aperta abbastanza per capire che noi non siamo i tuoi pazienti Pazienti? Io sono entrato nella lista per dare delle opinioni, argormentando credo in maniera adeguata e considerando tutti quanti superiori a me per la preparazione in linux. Non ti è venuto in mente che sono stato tanto polemico proprio per stimolare risposte valide, che in molti casi, al contrario delle tue sono state decisamente simpatiche... Ok ma nel 2001 usi ancora le righe di comando? Per favore... e lui è rimasto di nuovo bello brasato. Il fatto è che noi già conosciamo i sistemi windows. Se tu conoscessi meglio Linux ne rimarrai pure tu affascinato. Qui non si tratta solo di provare o non provare, Linux è un altro modo di essere, dove si può imparare di più. Molte scuole e università usano oggi Linux con grossi vantaggi. Appunto SCUOLE E UNIVERSITA' Lavoro per un distributore di programmi cad (se vi interessa http://www.paolocasella.it/) e come sapete per Linux non esiste praticamente alcun programma veramente potente di questo genere, come Archline e allplane per gli studi tecnici architettonici o magari microstation per i disegnatori meccanici. Avete un vecchio plotter? Con linux buttatelo via con windows vi comprate il pacchetto di driver winline ed ecco che tutto torna a funzionare alla grande. Si continua a fare paragoni inutili ... li conosciamo bene i motivi di tutto questo. Per questo penso che la tua è solo propaganda e pubblicità personale gratuita oppure sei tu il paziente. Paragoni inutili? e i progetti per la casa dove abiti e la macchina che guidi con cosa pensi siano fatti? Che ci crediate o no, poi ho voluto mettere l'indirizzo del sito del mio capo proprio perchè speravo che qualcuno avrebbe avuto la grande idea di dirmi che volevo farmi pubblicità... Infatti penso che tutti voi abbiate bisogno di un cad (usando linux) o che veniate in liguria per comprarvi un cavalletto dendrometrico o un paio di teodoliti o un eliografica.Se poi, Giuseppe, avessi avuto l'apertura mentale tipica dell'utente linux e fossi andato a dare un occhiata a 'sto cavolo di sito avresti notato che io ho citato 3 programmi cad(ricordi no, quelli inutili grazie ai quali i muri di casa tua sono dritti e a norma...) ma uno solo è in vendita e mi sono risparmiato di dare giudizi sugli altri 2... Veramente acuto... Paziente? Ma che cavolo vuoi dire? Dovrei interpretarlo come persona malata o simile? Spero proprio di no perchè questo da parte tua sarebbe un grosso sintomo di maleducazione... Ho un casino di clienti, sia fra gli studi tecnici che nell'utenza casalinga e non devo aver mai visto un pc equipaggiato con linux ma solo qualche mac. Non ti sono mancate quindi le lamentele ... Ma anche molte persone felici Dopo tutto questo bel discorso vi faccio presente un'altra cosa, che io come molti di voi, mi sto facendo il culo a panettone per imparare a usare linux (Vi ho detto che ho provato le 3 principali distribuzioni,no?) Questo è il tuo problema che evidenzia la dipendenza ai sistemi Windows e l'ignoranza verso sistemi che non lo siano. Eh già perchè per imparare a usare linux dovrei aspettare l'illuminazione divina... la questione è solo un tuo problema e non è che a me personalmente interessi poi molto. Infatti hai scritto un e-mail tanto breve giusto perchè te ne fregava 0 vero? Comunque dopo tutte le chiacchiere, una informazione utile sul sigillante l'hai almeno data. Chiacchere? E bello vedere che sei una persona rispettosa ed educata. Io non mi sono ASSOLUTAMENTE permesso di definire chiacchere le opinioni che gentilmente i tuoi colleghi mi hanno mandato. Spero di averti accontentato. Se l'avessi presa con più scioltezza e offendendo meno direi proprio di si...
[newbie-it] Fwd: MDKSA-2002:040 - openssh update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -- Messaggio inoltrato -- Subject: MDKSA-2002:040 - openssh update Date: 25 Jun 2002 02:41:17 - From: Mandrake Linux Security Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ___ _ Mandrake Linux Security Update Advisory ___ _ Package name: openssh Advisory ID:MDKSA-2002:040 Date: June 24th, 2002 Affected versions: 7.1, 7.2, 8.0, 8.1, 8.2, Corporate Server 1.0.1, Single Network Firewall 7.2 __ __ Problem Description: Details of an upcoming OpenSSH vulnerability will be published early next week. According to the OpenSSH team, this remote vulnerability cannot be exploited when sshd is running with privilege separation. The priv separation code is significantly improved in version 3.3 of OpenSSH which was released on June 21st. Unfortunately, there are some known problems with this release; compression does not work on all operating systems and the PAM support has not been completed. The OpenSSH team encourages everyone to upgrade to version 3.3 immediately and enable privilege separation. This can be enabled by placing in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config file the following: UsePrivilegeSeparation yes The vulnerability that will be disclosed next week is not fixed in version 3.3 of OpenSSH, however with priv separation enabled, you will not be vulnerable to it. This is because privilege separation uses a seperate non-privileged process to handle most of the work, meaning that any vulnerability in this part of OpenSSH will never lead to a root compromise. Only access as the non-privileged user restricted in chroot would be available. MandrakeSoft encourages all of our users to upgrade to the updated packages immediately. This update creates a new user and group on the system named sshd that is used to run the non-privileged processes. __ __ References: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-devm=1024952 93705094w=2 __ __ Updated Packages: Linux-Mandrake 7.1: ac86db7914ba6fc85b17fc99d06a937c 7.1/RPMS/openssh-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm f718cb570e2ee62fc32e053813d3cfbf 7.1/RPMS/openssh-askpass-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 6f3c54d22d992032e306ae5070158a71 7.1/RPMS/openssh-askpass-gnome-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 94257fd0269dad04bd5440b7ee5cf053 7.1/RPMS/openssh-clients-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 31ce777e172418ed9315b7222f19996d 7.1/RPMS/openssh-server-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 376a6784a1064bed84108910a228d05e 7.1/SRPMS/openssh-3.3p1-3.1mdk.src.rpm Linux-Mandrake 7.2: 11305bdbdae69178c4519a64cc4d268c 7.2/RPMS/openssh-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 06076635d4bf67129e1fabc287e44a1d 7.2/RPMS/openssh-askpass-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 7d8e1ab186f9ec314d44188c8fb9129e 7.2/RPMS/openssh-askpass-gnome-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm eecab04b4bc352d2f24a6b9d28275f38 7.2/RPMS/openssh-clients-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 3cb9787448432db4973af1a50cd259a7 7.2/RPMS/openssh-server-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 376a6784a1064bed84108910a228d05e 7.2/SRPMS/openssh-3.3p1-3.1mdk.src.rpm Mandrake Linux 8.0: d6a327709059db4cc61733b957a4da46 8.0/RPMS/openssh-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm ef833e955ce5df3f9ae8bce029f957fc 8.0/RPMS/openssh-askpass-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 1e2aef9c7c61cb5dc2fa3b2bc4bde1b4 8.0/RPMS/openssh-askpass-gnome-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 23e8d7aed35558ed75b34d8a32619cff 8.0/RPMS/openssh-clients-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 27a934155f200b02eb273fc2fe80d407 8.0/RPMS/openssh-server-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 376a6784a1064bed84108910a228d05e 8.0/SRPMS/openssh-3.3p1-3.1mdk.src.rpm Mandrake Linux 8.0/ppc: c515524fc8fa30bb41a8048ad7967edb ppc/8.0/RPMS/openssh-3.3p1-3.1mdk.ppc.rpm 0180f3991cad706505e6e5faee741909 ppc/8.0/RPMS/openssh-askpass-3.3p1-3.1mdk.ppc.rpm de64dc6cf71f67d92b0fa2985a05ae6b ppc/8.0/RPMS/openssh-askpass-gnome-3.3p1-3.1mdk.ppc.rpm 43a101ff00c00730604089679afe6187 ppc/8.0/RPMS/openssh-clients-3.3p1-3.1mdk.ppc.rpm f7c90aab96ccf90c85dc3869ad38c439 ppc/8.0/RPMS/openssh-server-3.3p1-3.1mdk.ppc.rpm 376a6784a1064bed84108910a228d05e ppc/8.0/SRPMS/openssh-3.3p1-3.1mdk.src.rpm Mandrake Linux 8.1: 821432034c563d9e0ad215f2540e9ae2 8.1/RPMS/openssh-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm b52f10205b2fc3e7d64f66f54612e8c7 8.1/RPMS/openssh-askpass-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm a175f6d5e2e6bb2cfb4bf542445bc19c 8.1/RPMS/openssh-askpass-gnome-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 7aa5e6f0ef8393e4df6083a00dd21245 8.1/RPMS/openssh-clients-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm b6d4277248a0347d26bc63ac91e08d20 8.1/RPMS/openssh-server-3.3p1-3.1mdk.i586.rpm 376a6784a1064bed84108910a228d05e
Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win? was: partizioni NTFS - notebook
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 02:50, giovedì 27 giugno 2002, in merito a Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win? was: partizioni NTFS - notebook, Roberto ha scritto: Questa è una risposta decente... aspetto un reply ai vari punti... Comunque il poliritano a me risulta essere un discreto (seppur non ottimo) conduttore. il poliuretano è un polimero ora non ho voglia di cercare in rete le sue caratteristiche fisiche, soprattutto se aggregato in collanti (ma l'adesivo poliuratanico, catalizza, polimerizza od essicca?. nell'ultimo caso, le sacche di vepori residue, isolerebbero di brutto..) ed, in genere, i polimeri sono dei pessimi conduttori termici (lo stesso poliuretano, si usa proprio negli isolanti..) vabbè.., usciamo dall'OT. Io ho un modem vero che però e usb e l'amico linux non lo vede, magari poi vi chiederò qualche consiglio... ok bye miKe __ Slackware 8 GNU/Linux 2.4.18 hp Xe3 R.U.#219755 - S.R.U.#705 - R.M.#110932 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9G2fBF/9fksDJ4y0RApUTAJ9WhDZki9/Dm2dVWhR0sTMnzmUAyQCgqVf8 SJxLfCFMVmvxRSaprsc7YNc= =YVTa -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 09:54, giovedì 27 giugno 2002, in merito a Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win, Roberto ha scritto: Insomma ragazzi mi rendo conto che le mie idee pro windows e microsoft debbano aver creato una piccola tempesta all'interno del gruppo, sicuro di aver sconvolto così tanto le nostre tragiche esistenze? sai? i troll si susseguono ad intervalli regolari... ogni tre-quattro mesi arriva uno, che ha provato GNU/Linux perchè fa tanto hacker perchè vuole entrare nel pc del vicino di casa, perchè è curioso... si iscrive alla ML, e spara a zero dicendo di essere un programmatore, un sistemista, un assemblatore e noi, fessi, che ogni volta abbocchiamo... ( a parte le faccende su etica, monopolio e filosofia perbenista del commercio che in questo campo secondo me hanno davvero valore 0) altra dimostrazione di quanto poco hai capito di come l'informatica di massa sia legata alla società, all'etica, ecc.. Resto per ora della mia idea pro windows, d'altronde mi sto avvicinando al pinguino. Solo un paio di precisazioni ancora. e badiamo, l'utente medio, installa (forse) l'antivirus, ma raramente lo aggiorna. infatti gli ultimi antivirus ,come pc cillin, se in versione completa,si aggiornano automaticamente dalla rete. non è il solo, peccato che comunque il tuo sistema dovrebbe essere funzionante anche senza doversi collegare ogni giorno alla rete... e comunque il collegamento presuppone un sistema integro l'utente medio, non conosce neppure l'esistenza di un firewall e se lo trova, lo disabilita, perchè crearsi le policy è noioso... In xp è già presente una discreta firewall IL discreto firewall di cui parli, ogni tanto ti chiede 'il client pippo ha richiesto una connessione a pinco.pallino.com:80, accetto?' ecco, l'utente medio che fa?? conosce la differenza tra un tentativo di connessione in uscita e uno in ingresso? conosce qualcosa di TCP? riconosce una connessione sulla 22, da una tentata da subseven? un firewall per funzionare richiede comunque di essere impostato, e se apri a randazzo, non ti serve proprio a nulla perchè mai, la linea di comando sarebbe obsoleta? perchè non posso fare 20 operazioni col mio pc, da linea di comando, al posto di 2 in finestra grafica? Perchè con l'interfaccia grafica faccio 2 click e spesso risolvo il problema, he he, risposta classica...ne ero certo lo risolvi SOLO se il programmatore ha previsto il problema e ti ha dato il segno di spunta da flaggare!!! con la riga di comando sto un quarto d'ora a digitare ignorantemente falso devo impararmi un puttanaio di comandi a memoria ah, già dimenticavo!! è faticoso!! e farmi un sacco di nervoso comunque ripeto: da linea di comando puoi fare 20 operazioni usando le stesse risorse di sistema delle 2 possibili in grafica solo entrando a manina sul sistema puoi fare un tuning fine sai quale è l'errore? considerare la linea di comando per un uso client non nega nessuno che le interfacce grafiche siano comode ma l'errore è pensare che possano sostituire la shell e questo errore, guarda caso, lo fanno quelli che pensano che bash sia un calciatore quell'utente se vole usare il pc come una macchina da scrivere è meglio che si compri una olivetti e tanta carta copiativa, altrimenti dopo due schermi blu, o uno scandisk con perdita di ore di lavoro (l'utente medio non salva mai, e quando salva, non ricorda dove) o un word che si è bloccato perchè non ha il correttore croato i il sillabatore per l'armeno... Tu sai che office ha un opzione di salvataggio automatico dopo 10 min.di default ( he he siamo a 2 se azzeccassi i numeri al lotto come le risposte precotte sarei miliardario!! perchè win=office? quando mai? parlavamo di sistema operativo o di applicativo? ho detto perdita di ore di lavoro non del foglietto di excel... vedi che gli orizzonti sono un pò più vasti di office... su come poi questo recuperi un documento in seguito ad un crash o di come ti riempa di file temporanei lo diciamo dopo... e che quando non trova qualche componente importante ah già importante come un correttore celtico o l'assistente a forma di molletta, vero? ti dice una roba tipo: Inserisci il cd di installazio ne che ti metto la roba che serve così continui a lavorare? ah, già... e chi, al giorno d'oggi, non passeggia con i cd di office al seguito? scusa, dimenticavo... comunque, per me siamo ben oltre l'ot, non ti chiedo di cambiare idea se vuoi scambiare opinioni su win$ e su come sia facile da usare, forse questa non è la ML giusta, allo stesso tempo, non voglio certo farti cambiare idea... ..avevo un amico con una skoda... ..e ne era entusiasta... ;) bye miKe __ Slackware 8 GNU/Linux 2.4.18 hp Xe3 R.U.#219755 - S.R.U.#705 - R.M.#110932 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org
Re: [newbie-it] partition table danneggiata
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 03:05, giovedì 27 giugno 2002, in merito a Re: [newbie-it] partition table danneggiata, Roberto ha scritto: troll ... /troll Che cazzata eh aver la vita + facile... Meglio perdere mezz'ora a scrivere ed impararsi a memoria 400 comandi... no... io il tag 'troll' lo avevo messo prima di leggere le altre tue mail... ma a ben ripensarci credo di averci proprio preso... la VERA cazzata è non cercare di capire cosa sia un disco, cosa una partition table cosa un filesystem ... ma tanto c'è qualcuno in giro che ha già risolto per noi, vero?? quei '400' comandi, ti impegnano 2 minuti... e non li devi conoscere a memoria... devi solo sapere cosa fare io li ho 'recitati' ad uno che poteva non conoscerli che ti credi, che non sia più facile ragionare sui problemi, che cercare una soluzione 'a memoria'? e comunque, ti impegnano molto meno del tempo necessario a scaricare il programmillo, LEGGERE IL MANUALE (ah, già, a che serve... basta un clik) eseguire il programma, sperando che vada... ..se poi non funzia... picche scusami, ma il tuo approccio, non mi pare molto professionale.. Eh già infatti l'opzione nel bios della macchina che a quanto pare è di marca (non assemblata) è fatto apposta per rompere l'h.d. e non per riportarlo ai valori di fabbrica. 1. la formattazione a basso livello è ok per i dischi scsi su un vecchio eide, rischi, seriamente, di far danni (non ti dico dove come e perchè, perchè tanto lo sai... no?) 2. non parliamo del bios ma di un programma di terze parti (che sia ibm, la stessa che spinge su linuccio, non cambia le cose..) scaricati 2 mega di programma gratuito,lancialo con un doppio click e un floppy formattato e riavvia il pc col floppy dentro. Che schifo, vero, fare le cose in maniera semplice e rapida... a quando un puffo che scaricato da internet, farà direttamente tutto lui, sgravandoci dal dover cambiare floppy e fare quel complicatissimo doppio clik ?? bye miKe __ Slackware 8 GNU/Linux 2.4.18 hp Xe3 R.U.#219755 - S.R.U.#705 - R.M.#110932 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9G2usF/9fksDJ4y0RAvXfAJ9rfp254lZfN9YRDFHgP3Fhc7dqDgCeMv5d BljYQgI/vR5m0DdH+eaK96U= =hBKq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win?
sai qual è il problema? windows fa schifo nonostante l'appoggio delle hardware houses, linux fa schifo proprio per il contrasto subito dalle hardware houses che non fanno i drivers di periferica. spero che un giorno il mio pc funzionerà correttamente e completamente ad ogni avvio - Original Message - From: Roberto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 12:55 AM Subject: Re: [newbie-it] Linux o Win? Non vi preoccupate d'ora in poi smetterò di rompere le palle e farò il bravo neo utente di linux. Non vi preoccupate mi aspettavo di prendermi qua e la qualche botta di st#§*^o, ma credo che entrare qui e tessere le lodi di windows fosse un pò come andare ad Harlem con addosso un cartello con scritto Io odio i negracci (avete visto Die hard 3?) e lo sapevo bene... Per cui basta scassare è ora di imparare, e nonostante resti fermo su moltissime mie opinioni (scrsità del valore del discorso etico,importanza del fatto che il computer ci sgravi più possibile il lavoro etc etc)e qualcosa non mi sia andato davvero giù (tipo la faccenda della formattazione a basso livello) spero vogliate accogliermi, nonostante la mia diversità, nella newsletter. Se c'è qualche regola, qualche modo di fare o qualche altra cosa che è importante che io sappia fatemelo sapere e se magari vi serve qualche dritta su dove spendere poco per assemblarvi la macchina fatemi un fischio. Mi auguro di non essere stato troppo pesante e anche se è stato un pò come gettarsi contro 50 barbari mangiacarogne gridando che le loro madri fanno i pompini ai montoni (questa viene da Fusi di testa) è stato molto stimolante. Grazie a tutti per le vostre opinioni e i vostri consigli e la vostra pazienza. D'ora in poi sarò una presenza più discreta. Ecco la mia firma sull'armistizio. Roberto
[newbie-it] File.ppt
Ciao a tutti Chi mi sa dire con quale programma posso leggere i file ppt con linux?
Re: [newbie-it] File.ppt
Il ven, 2002-06-28 alle 07:59, Matteo ha scritto: Ciao a tutti Chi mi sa dire con quale programma posso leggere i file ppt con linux? e' un file powerpoint, se non ricordo male... dovresti poterlo leggere con OpenOffice. Ciao. Alessandro -- La matematica e' cio' che consente di contare fino a venti senza togliersi le scarpe
[newbie-it] diskdruid
Ho installato tempo fa RedHat 7.3 allegata alla rivista internetnews e cosi anche OpenOffice (ringrazio chi ha diffuso la notizia su questa mailinglist). Il tool di partizionamento che mi permetteva la gestione degli hardisk in fase di installazione, lo sono andato a cercare dopo l'installazione perchè mi piaceva come era impostato. L'ho trovato solo in hardware browser, mi è stata richiesta la psw di root per entrare ma purtroppo diskdruid permette solo di leggere le informazioni sul partizionamento preesistenti senza nessuna possibilità di poterlo utilizzare. Chiedo pertanto se nella versione Redhat 7.3 completa del distributore, diskdruid è funzionante come nella fase di installazione ? Grazie da Giuseppe.
Re: [newbie] TAR problems
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:03:26 -0400 Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 June 2002 12:21 am, you wrote: I've been having some problems running tar. I type something like tar -x foo.tar and it just hangs there for a long time. I've tried using -x -v and -t, but it still hangs indefinitely, doing nothing. Anyone have any suggestions? Matt Dalen try tar -xvf foo.tar and if it is a gz or gzip file try tar -xvzf foo.tar.gz or what ever the extension is on the file. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Yes. The 'f' means you're specifying a file other than the default device, which, according to the man page is /dev/rmt0. And, just to add to Dennis' suggestion, if the file is foo.tar.bz2, use tar xvfj. However I'm told on older versions you need to use tar xvfI. Bill Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] child-protection for Linux?
On Tuesday 25 Jun 2002 10:08 pm, you wrote: Anne, It would be the JavaScript option for Navigator. You could also use Opera for Windows. It has an option specifically for pop-up windows. Thanks, Mark. I'll try that as soon as I can get to it :-) Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 1:29 am, you wrote: On Monday 24 June 2002 08:26 am, Anne Wilson wrote: Michael Adams wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:23, Ralph Slooten wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2002, Jure Repinc wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: snip My KMail Reply to is left blank to ensure no probs with this list, and i don't have any. You could be right about the reply-to address. FWIW I have seen your reply and Ralph's, but Jure's only as a quote. Anne Anne: FWIW, your post didn't show up until this afternoon (Tuesday). I looked at the header, and there were no delays en route. Perhaps there's a problem with your ISP. -- cmg You could be right there - Since Tiscali began to be popular it has got very busy, and access at evenings and weekends is now difficult. It's possible, too that they are trying to deal with the spam problem, though I can't see why that would cause delays, even if it did cause dropped posts. It's all puzzling. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] BIG trouble
On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 12:26 am, you wrote: C.Anne Wilson wrote: I have been exploring, trying to find out what is happening (or not) with these devices that I can't get working. Twice today I have got into the Control Panel, Information, and asked for information about usb devices, then found the Control Panel locked up. It can be minimised, but not closed. I could find no way out, so I had to ask for a shutdown. I got messages about failures due to 'illegal seek'. On re-starting there appears to have been massive damage (both times, so I daren't try again) requiring a manual fsck to repair it. Now my system is up, but my sound has disappeared. I'll just have to hope I haven't done irreparable damage. Meanwhile, how should one deal with a problem like this? I know 'kill' is supposed to get you out of trouble, but you need to know what you're going to kill, don't you? All help gratefully received. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Well, whenever you cannot get to a console with ctrl-alt-F2 and login as root and 'ps ax | grep DrakConf' and kill it with a 'kill -9 (id of the program)' When you cannot do that, then ALT-SYSRQ (screen print key)-R puts the keyboard in RAW mode ALT-SYSRQ-S syncs the disks ALT-SYSRQ-B reboots Civileme harddrake may not be the way to go on non-working USB connected devices. There are several protocols uhci ohci ehci to name three. Better to look at /etc/modules.conf and see what you have loaded and for what purpose... Civileme Not sure I entirely understand. Are you saying that these three commands will, between them, cause a timely and controlled shutdown? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Surround Sound
On Tuesday 25 Jun 2002 10:40 pm, you wrote: On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:04:20 -0600 Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anne, I could be wrong, but I think only digital sound can be processed into surround sound. CD audio doesn't because the sound card just passes along a 2-channel analog signal. I bet if you used a SPDIF cable from your CD drive to your sound card (the two-prong rather than the four-prong connection on your CD drive) you'd get surround sound from CDs. Miark AFAIK you need a Digital cable (special little cable for CD-Roms, my g/f has to use one for the same reason). They're cheap if you need to buy one. Some of those audio cables have what are called Universal Connectors too, that is a bunch of little connectors on the end of the cable. :) There *should* be a connector on the CDRom for Digital. Try it? Femme Analogue worked OK under Wins, but I'll try the digital cable when I have time. It's a real pain pulling everything out to get my box open. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Do these work?
Thanx Roly! I hope I'll be able to do so -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Roland Hughes Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 2:37 PM To: Mandrake Help List Server Subject: Re: [newbie] Do these work? I have a linux box running at work and was able to set it up to a jetdirect using remote ip printing. Roly On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 04:14, civileme wrote: Linux Maniac wrote: After several crashes and other XP related problems, I got permission to install linux on my computer at work. The only conditions are: - The HP Laserjet 3200 (through a Jetdirect 175x network) must be operational for printing. - The UMAX Astranet A101 scanner (USB) has to be operational. - I need a solution to import my adressbook and emails from outlook2000 (How do I do this?) So.. do these work? I don't have time and energy to look on the web... BAT Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com The JetDirect probably will not. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- The directions said to install Windows 98/2000 or better! So I installed Linux! Linux Counter: 241069 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release Date: 2002. 03. 06. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release Date: 2002. 03. 06. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 26 June 2002 07:00 pm, Carroll Grigsby did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: I've got no beef with telling someone that they can't propagate any more Microsoft worms/virii until they get their act together. I wish more ISP's would take that approach. Perhaps it's not attacking the root cause (the whole damn windows system), but at least it's going after the co-conspirators. After going through three or four of these episodes, some of them might start thinking that there might be a better way of doing things. -- cmg i am for banning windows users from ISPs. first offence. ;) - -- If you don't know where you want to go, we'll make sure you get taken. - Japanese translation of Microsoft's slogan shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9GyGzBwq+ZwvIN/oRArElAJ97kj/Tz/yneNbLDQ4ebWKTC8xdzgCaAzMR YpUZYud/iOLa4Xa4jsMrpfY= =q+ac -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Netscape plugins
Do you have your path to Netscape 6 set up properly? From what I remember, Netscape 6 installs into a different location than Netscape 4.x did. I would double check on where it is located, then run the Crossover setup program, and under the General tab, change the location to where the Netscape 6 plugins folder is located. Also make sure you have write privileges in the plugins folder for Netscape. HTH, Terry On Wed, 2002-06-26 at 18:40, tom brinkman wrote: On Wednesday 26 June 2002 02:01 pm, Marcia wrote: Dear All, I downloaded and installed Crossover demo plugin and installed Quicktime, iPIX and a few other helpers, but my Netscape6 does not know they are there. They are properly installed and activated and I tried to add them to the helper application menu in Netscape preferences as suggested but nothing is working. I have LM8.2 and supposedly the plugger from Netscape is installed but is not working for me either. Any suggestions? Keep in mind you're tryin to use a proprietary Apple Mac app, ported to Winblows, but tryin to run it on a Linux system. That said, go ahead and buy the Crossover plugin, the developers deserve the contribution. I've tried 3 ways of playin QT movies. o Codewavers (the Crossover people's) free rendition of wine. Works pretty well runnin QT5 from Win98. Sound really sux. BUT Codeweaver's wine is still probly the best wine effort to use other Winwoes apps. o Codeweaver's Crossover plugin. No nag screen, IME works better than the demo. Sound is good, a few intermittent drops with a sound chip that's not recomended for this use (AC97). Only problem is the shortcommings of Quicktime player itself. Works very well with Galeon, Mozilla, or Konqueror. I haven't bothered with Nutscrape in quite some time. o Xine. The latest xine-ui-0.9.12-1mdk, libxine0-0.9.12-1mdk plays QT movies better than QT5 runnin under Windoze or Crossover, ... video wise, I've yet to get the sound workin. OtOH, it's the solution I like, 'cause .mov's can be played multiply, full sreen from the CL. No need to to start the plugin or player for each separate movie as with the Winsux or Crossover players. I've got CD's of QT movies that play for many many hours ; http://xine.sourceforge.net/ (btw, they're seeking contributions also). So, IMO, your best bet for playin QT from a browser (other than Nutscrape) is to use Crossover. Better for playin stored .mov's is Xine. The QT on Linux situation has come a long way recently, expect even more shortly. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] BIG trouble
SNIP Well, whenever you cannot get to a console with ctrl-alt-F2 and login as root and 'ps ax | grep DrakConf' and kill it with a 'kill -9 (id of the program)' When you cannot do that, then ALT-SYSRQ (screen print key)-R puts the keyboard in RAW mode ALT-SYSRQ-S syncs the disks ALT-SYSRQ-B reboots Civileme harddrake may not be the way to go on non-working USB connected devices. There are several protocols uhci ohci ehci to name three. Better to look at /etc/modules.conf and see what you have loaded and for what purpose... Civileme Not sure I entirely understand. Are you saying that these three commands will, between them, cause a timely and controlled shutdown? Anne This tells you all about it http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/doc/82/en/ref.html/ts-system-freeze.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
On Thu 27 Jun 2002 04:00, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wednesday 26 June 2002 03:18 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Wed 26 Jun 2002 04:29, John Rigby wrote: The main problem is not your Linux setup or anything else, it is the not-allowed-to-be-discussed-sanely, Cybernazi anti-spammers. These idiots ( a careful use of the word) can interrupt the flow of messages from you, or anyone to anyone or anywhere else that just happens to route through their Servers. Thus, the spasmodic, but ever-growing problem we all now face from these *uncontrolled* incompetents. They are dictating what reaches this list or any other and we individuals. A curse on all their livestock! Cheers, I-told-you-so-years-ago-rigby Not only anti-spam! Over here the mail servers are getting bogged down due to the 'yaha-virus' catching on to the 90% majority. So as a new rule everyone sending more than 10 infected e-mails gets blocked off the smtp servers until they're clean again. That's called fighting the symptoms not the cause.:o) Good hunting, Harm. Harm: I've got no beef with telling someone that they can't propagate any more Microsoft worms/virii until they get their act together. I wish more ISP's would take that approach. Perhaps it's not attacking the root cause (the whole damn windows system), but at least it's going after the co-conspirators. After going through three or four of these episodes, some of them might start thinking that there might be a better way of doing things. -- cmg Agreed on all points:o) Only thing disturbs me though, is that they offer these people antivirus software (at a very modest price) but don't give a crash-course how to prevent it all. I mean half (if not more) of the hurt would go away if they told these people to turn off html and/or stop using Outlook. Instead they propagate fud-software ( the antivirus stuff) giving these same people a sense of security until the next mass attack. So, nothing changes except that those folks hate 'hackers' (that's what they call the 'script kiddies') all the more for making them feel insecure. To them it's not the OS but the bad guys out there, who are the real threat and .NET or palladium will be seen as a small price to keep them out. Hell, if there hadn't already been any viri out there, M$ would probably have invented them to stay in bussines. Good luck, Harm. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] eth0 - eth1 problems
Hello listers, just joined, just installed and hopefully won't get too many RTFM responses: On init these show as failed and its taking a long time to boot up. 1-2 min eth0 eth1 Now I believe these to be my ethernet cards. Any reason why they would be failing? Also I cant get my DSL to work either. I know the 2 are related but where to start to find the answer? Mandrake 8.2 DL version 10G partition 1Gig swap Dell 8200 128MB ram ethernet cards: Kingston EtherRx KNE111TX PCI Fast Ethernet CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet (is there anyway to know which is which IE; eth0, eth1?) 1 partridge 1 peartree Steve Mendizabal Multimedia Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 June 2002 08:14 am, H.J.Bathoorn did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Only thing disturbs me though, is that they offer these people antivirus software (at a very modest price) but don't give a crash-course how to prevent it all. Hell, if there hadn't already been any viri out there, M$ would probably have invented them to stay in bussines. fixing the problems ou created in the first place is a great way to stay in buis i swear to you the random sig file choose that one itself. it scares me. - -- The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them into it in the first place. -DOUGLAS ADAMS, Author shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9Gy5QBwq+ZwvIN/oRAq+8AJ9Kg5BDFsUYUi2bXMYf3sRTd+HEzwCeNtIo RiGuosIIyFADO/CV5Ou51SU= =wYNK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Missing posts
i am for banning windows users from ISPs. first offence. ;) why not? there are plenty of single line 1200 baud atari/commodore/etc bbses around... :) shane Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] BIG trouble
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ALT-SYSRQ (screen print key)-R puts the keyboard in RAW mode
ALT-SYSRQ-S syncs the disks
ALT-SYSRQ-B reboots
Not sure I entirely understand. Are you saying that these three commands
will, between them, cause a timely and controlled shutdown?
yes they will, but they are basically a last resort.
from so web page somewhere that i don't recall
Alt + SysRq + r puts the keyboard in 'raw' mode. Sometimes after only
this command you can try to kill the X server and all is well, if not,
press on.
Alt + SysRq + s attempts to write all unsaved data to disk ('sync' the
disk) to prevent file corruption.
Alt + SysRq + e sends a termination signal to all processes, that is
the same as killing every program running.
Alt + SysRq + i sends a kill signal to all processes. If any processes
are still running after the last key command this will clean up.
Alt + SysRq + u remounts all systems in read-only mode. This is to
prevent file system corruption.
Alt + SysRq + b reboots the system.
- --
Some software money can't buy. For everything else there's Micros~1.
shane
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RE: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
ASUS A7N266-VM84 512M DDR 165 Two hard disks160 CDRW/DVD109 Case (InWin 500D)54 Keyboard/mouse /speakers 12 Floppy drive 12 1G Duron 58 Fan/heatsink 30 Networking card12 Civileme, I have to say I was a little suprised to see an Nvidia mobo recommendation for Linux but I take it that it works well with Mandrake. Two questions about this setup: - does the sound work okay? (obviously not expecting the super cool AC3 encode/decode stuff but ...uses some Intel 810 driver, right?) - did the networking work? (or was the NIC you've included in the list necessary?) - does the install setup program for Mandrake deal with the builtin video/RAM allocation thang? ::mark Well, out of the box on a ProSuite workstation install, everything but networking... After downloading the NForce RPM for mandrake 8.2 from NVidia, the networking worked as well--it just could not be set up during install. That was NOT a recommendation, just an example. I had reasons for the NForce install related to testing, and in fact I cannot recommend it at all for those who will use RAID with any of the journaling filesystems. Thanks for info/clarification. I'm curious, though. If it works well what keeps you from recommending it? It seems at this point that there really isn't a single chipset/motherboard that is without _some_ issue. Mandrakelinux.com lists zero motherboards as Tested by MandrakeSoft and only 9 motherboards as MandrakeLabs Certified and two of these use the KT266 chipset that you were warning users about because of clock problems. One of them even has a Promise WinRAID controller. ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] eth0 - eth1 problems
Being a new Linux user with +1 day's experience, one thing I did see on the net is that the KNE111TX card can get a bit funny with Linux. Someone else I'm sure will know a hell of a lot more about this than I. Andy Sweetman (Off to a strip club in 30mins, and has got Friday off =) ) -Original Message- From: Steve Mendizabal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 16:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] eth0 - eth1 problems Hello listers, just joined, just installed and hopefully won't get too many RTFM responses: On init these show as failed and its taking a long time to boot up. 1-2 min eth0 eth1 Now I believe these to be my ethernet cards. Any reason why they would be failing? Also I cant get my DSL to work either. I know the 2 are related but where to start to find the answer? Mandrake 8.2 DL version 10G partition 1Gig swap Dell 8200 128MB ram ethernet cards: Kingston EtherRx KNE111TX PCI Fast Ethernet CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet (is there anyway to know which is which IE; eth0, eth1?) 1 partridge 1 peartree Steve Mendizabal Multimedia Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] QT problem with kde3
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:29:13 +0530 L.V.Gandhi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 June 2002 03:34 am, robin wrote: L.V.Gandhi wrote: I have kde3 with mdk 8.2. I wanted to compile an application which needs QT3. I did [root@localhost arson-0.9.6-kde3]# export QT_DIR=/usr/lib/qt3 [root@localhost arson-0.9.6-kde3]# ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde3 But I still I get error checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (= Qt 3.0.2) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation! config.log also couldn't throw much light. What to do for proper compiling? ..uhm.. is the program you are trying to compile an instant-messaging application?? just curious. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE 3.0.1
El Jue 27 Jun 2002 11:47, Terry Sheltra escribió: Hi all, I've just installed KDE 3.x on my LM 8.2 machine, and am coming across a minor annoyance I wish to try and correct. Every time I login in to my machine in KDM and start KDE, it always goes through the configuration wizard for KDE, as if I'm running it for the first time. I already have made my settings the first time I ran it, so I just click to quit the wizard and keep my current settings. Is there a way to tell KDE that I've already done this and not to show me the wizard anymore? Thanks! Terry ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/Mandrake-8.2/ Texstar has taken the standard Mandrake package, fixed a couple of scripting bugs in the startkde script, removed the first time wizard which insists on running everytime you load KDE with the standard version, added a few items in kde control centre, changed the default startup sound, and taskbar spinner, enabled MP3 ripping in the Audio I/O slave of konqueror, and maybe something else I cannot remember. In addition you will find lots of other goodies in Tex's ftp directory. HTH derek -- el charlie Concordia, Argentina Linux MDK 8.2 1:19pm up 36 min, 1 user, load average: 0.40, 0.18, 0.13 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] QuickTime - mplayer ;)
wouldn't ya know it, just after Xine comes out with QT support (all but Sorenson v3), mplayer's got it. Work's great ! I've got tons of recent QT .mov's, and only a very few are Sorenson3 MPlayer CVS-020626-23:00-3.1.1 (C) 2000-2002 Arpad Gereoffy (see DOCS!) Latest CVS version, available for d/l from http://www.MPlayerHQ.hu/homepage/ (gcc 2.96 users will need to './configure --disable-gcc-checking') -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT?] Can anything be done about this?
June 27, 2002 02:16 am, Alastair Scott wrote: snip This - from a well-known academic specialist in security issues - is not uninteresting, although written with much asseveration (I would like to see proof of the points about mobile phone batteries and toner cartridges; such people, in a sense, make their reputation by seeing the worst in everything): http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html You were correct Alastair. It was considerably _less_ than uninteresting. :-) Thanks for the link. Coming from a military background (and someone who has no interest in online video, ebooks, music or all that), I'm less worried than some; the ideas are not new and a lot, really, should have been done by now. The general security of PCs is deplorable and software encryption is not good enough (the 'encrypted' data flies around unencrypted on the bus, along the monitor cable, to and from the keyboard etc. etc. for at least part of its existence :) For the military, for corporations, for government, for that matter for anyone that wants the technology fine. I do believe that the case could be made easily that these entities have need for secured hardware, and for secured software. It's so far into overkill for the average consumer that it beggars belief. The real issue is whether such solutions are applicable to John Q Public or not, and I think they are overkill. They are _certainly_ applicable in classified settings! My revulsion for the entire concept isn't for the solution itself per se. It's the TCPA; which to my mind is the newest of the new oxymorons. _Trusted?_ *Microsoft?* *Intel?* *The entire entertainment industry and it's public lapdogs such as _Senator Fritz_?* I now need to add AMD to this list? For all that, what corporation/bureaucracy/political body is truly trustworthy *sans* public audit? I won't play. I refuse to waste money and time to support the myth that Microsoft, Hollywood, et al and ad nauseum are granted a natural right to profit by abuse of the consumer. If the next computer that I build myself this fall is the last new computer I ever _own_ then so be it. I did claim, after all, to be a troglodyte. :-) Alastair -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky, Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone, Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die, One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. -- J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] eth0 - eth1 problems
Title: RE: [newbie] eth0 - eth1 problems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Mendizabal Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] eth0 - eth1 problems Hello listers, just joined, just installed and hopefully won't get too many RTFM responses: On init these show as failed and its taking a long time to boot up. 1-2 min eth0 eth1 Now I believe these to be my ethernet cards. Any reason why they would be failing? Also I cant get my DSL to work either. I know the 2 are related but where to start to find the answer? Mandrake 8.2 DL version 10G partition 1Gig swap Dell 8200 128MB ram ethernet cards: Kingston EtherRx KNE111TX PCI Fast Ethernet CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet (is there anyway to know which is which IE; eth0, eth1?) 1 partridge 1 peartree Steve Mendizabal Multimedia Engineer Are you using ML8.1 or 8.2, if so it would appear that the ethernet cards are not initialized. Try from a command line ifup eth0 and ifup eth1 and see if there are any messages kicked back. You may need to go to the Mandrake control panel and select the internet connection and connection sharing and then run the wizard to set up the network and internet connections.HTH Dennis M.
Re: [newbie] Netscape plugins
On Thursday 27 June 2002 10:45 am, you wrote: Do you have your path to Netscape 6 set up properly? From what I remember, Netscape 6 installs into a different location than Netscape 4.x did. I would double check on where it is located, then run the Crossover setup program, and under the General tab, change the location to where the Netscape 6 plugins folder is located. Also make sure you have write privileges in the plugins folder for Netscape. HTH, Terry Thank you Terry and Tom for your help with this. I actually prefer using Konqueror or Mozilla to Netscape but was having problems with Konqueror which I since have fixed. I discovered that the Quicktime plugin and iPIX plugin that I am using with Crossover work just great in Konqueror. I will not bother with Netscape 6 at this point. Thanks so much for your assistance. Sincerely, Marcia Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] BIG trouble - (a reference for the legally blind?)
On Thursday 27 June 2002 08:09, you wrote: SNIP Not sure I entirely understand. Are you saying that these three commands will, between them, cause a timely and controlled shutdown? This tells you all about it http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/doc/82/en/ref.html/ts-system-freeze.html Whoa! Why does the Mandrake 8.2 reference manual come forth with such huge print? When I substitute 81 for 82, I get the Mandrake 8.1 reference manual in a reasonable size, but the 8.2 ref manual has letters an inch high on my screen. What's going on with this? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eth0 - eth1 problems
I want to know why i'm getting failed eth0, failed eth1 messages at boot. I tried looking through the docs but found nothing. Any help or gentle push would be greatly appreciated. Being a new Linux user with +1 day's experience, one thing I did see on the net is that the KNE111TX card can get a bit funny with Linux. -Original Message- From: Steve Mendizabal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 16:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] eth0 - eth1 problems Hello listers, just joined, just installed and hopefully won't get too many RTFM responses: On init these show as failed and its taking a long time to boot up. 1-2 min eth0 eth1 Now I believe these to be my ethernet cards. Any reason why they would be failing? Also I cant get my DSL to work either. I know the 2 are related but where to start to find the answer? Mandrake 8.2 DL version 10G partition 1Gig swap Dell 8200 128MB ram ethernet cards: Kingston EtherRx KNE111TX PCI Fast Ethernet CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet (is there anyway to know which is which IE; eth0, eth1?) 1 partridge 1 peartree Steve Mendizabal Multimedia Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] BIG trouble
But I definitely get sound from 4 speakers (not sure about the centre one) when I play mp3 files. This with an analogue cable. It may be stereo duplicated, of course, but it sounds good to me. Anne On Wednesday 26 Jun 2002 4:05 am, you wrote: Jose, All I know is when I used the analog cable, I got two channel sound out of my SBLive, and when I switched to a digital cable, I got four-channel sound. No setting changes, no nothing. My explanation may be inaccurate, but I'll stick by the advice. There may be a way to mess with settings to make analog sound crank out of four (or more) speakers but changing the cable is much easier. Miark Jose M. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: Eh, no. The audigy's and SBLive's DSP renders effects into the rear channels. It also can decode Dolby AC3 into 4 channel as well. There was a writeup not too long ago on MandrakeUser or MandrakeForum about enabling the Optical Bay which included directions for Digital, center channel, etc. configurations. -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Miark |Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:04 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] Re: Surround Sound | | |Anne, | |I could be wrong, but I think only digital sound can be |processed into surround sound. CD audio doesn't because the |sound card just passes along a 2-channel analog signal. | |I bet if you used a SPDIF cable from your CD drive to your |sound card (the two-prong rather than the four-prong |connection on your CD drive) you'd get surround sound from CDs. | |Miark | |Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: | You may remember that a few weeks ago I asked about surround | |sound on | | my | Audigy card. Someone said his worked fine, but I got no further. | | I realise now that the kde startup sound is in surround sound. Today | for the first time I played an mp3 file, and that was in | |good surround | | sound too, so it seems to be just cd-player. Has anyone any | |idea what I | | can do about this? | | Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Whoopeee
Major breakthrough - I have to share. My life is bound up in my Lotus Organizer, and this has been a major stumbling block. It seemed that Evolution would be the way forward, but I could find no way of importing my Organizer info. Disappointed, I turned to WINE, hoping that would solve the problem. It didn't work. I looked at a couple of WINE-user newsgroups, where I found the opinion that Lotus SmartSuite as a whole was well-nigh impossible. Then - I discolvered that Organizer can write vCal files and KOrganizer can read them. With a little perseverence I've got the diary, anniversary, Planner, UK Holidays, Christian Holidays sections and the ToDo list into KOrganizer. KAddress didn't want to know about my Contacts section, but Gnome-Card imported the lot, automatically and trouble-free. A small thing to many of you, I know, but my life is in order again. :-) It also means that the balance of power has changed. I can now spend more time in Linux and less in Win98. Of course there are still problems to solve, but that's life. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eth0 - eth1 problems
On Thu 27 Jun 2002 20:03, Steve Mendizabal wrote: I want to know why i'm getting failed eth0, failed eth1 messages at boot. I tried looking through the docs but found nothing. Any help or gentle push would be greatly appreciated. well here's some gentle pushing: Go to a commandline by opening a terminal (or hitting ctrlaltf1...upto..f6 ) Then login and type:dmesg without the quotes. Use shiftpgup or pgdown to scroll up or down the output and find what's being stated about eth0 and eth1. And/or type: less /var/log/syslog (without ) and look for information there. If you're still clueless after that, come back and tell us what eth1 and eth0 are supposed to be doing on your PC/network and what error messages were there. Don't take it harshly, just trying to push you into a little 'selfhelp' ;o) Good luck, Harm. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eth0 - eth1 problems
That all I wanted was a little push. Will try these commands and go forth on my march through LinuxLand. Thanks - Original Message - From: H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] eth0 - eth1 problems On Thu 27 Jun 2002 20:03, Steve Mendizabal wrote: I want to know why i'm getting failed eth0, failed eth1 messages at boot. I tried looking through the docs but found nothing. Any help or gentle push would be greatly appreciated. well here's some gentle pushing: Go to a commandline by opening a terminal (or hitting ctrlaltf1...upto..f6 ) Then login and type:dmesg without the quotes. Use shiftpgup or pgdown to scroll up or down the output and find what's being stated about eth0 and eth1. And/or type: less /var/log/syslog (without ) and look for information there. If you're still clueless after that, come back and tell us what eth1 and eth0 are supposed to be doing on your PC/network and what error messages were there. Don't take it harshly, just trying to push you into a little 'selfhelp' ;o) Good luck, Harm. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to print screen?
sorry im totally new to linux , i keep getting hundreds of e-mails from people but i cant figure out where to go to to remove my e-mail address...PLEASE HELP ME!!! you obviously know my mail address so where did u get it from im at a loss HELP thanks Mike From: Michael Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] how to print screen? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:56:04 +1200 On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:20, Randy Kramer wrote: Josef Lowder wrote: I sent the following question several days ago, and never received any response? Did the message never arrive, previously? I saw your message several days ago, so it did arrive. I don't know whether the Print Screen key works in Linux -- I sort of doubt it -- I just tried it, alone and in combination with most combinations of shift, ctrl, and alt, and saw no response. BUT, I'm not real confident my printer is set up properly -- I only recently got it to work at all. Randy Kramer Randy, In windows, print screen prints to the clipboard not the printer, from which the pic can be pasted into an application. It is a function most often used by manual writers and program reveiwers, not to say that other uses dont exist. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whoopeee
Great -- congratulations! Randy Kramer C.Anne Wilson wrote: Major breakthrough - I have to share. My life is bound up in my Lotus Organizer, and this has been a major stumbling block. It seemed that Evolution would be the way forward, but I could find no way of importing my Organizer info. Disappointed, I turned to WINE, hoping that would solve the problem. It didn't work. I looked at a couple of WINE-user newsgroups, where I found the opinion that Lotus SmartSuite as a whole was well-nigh impossible. Then - I discolvered that Organizer can write vCal files and KOrganizer can read them. With a little perseverence I've got the diary, anniversary, Planner, UK Holidays, Christian Holidays sections and the ToDo list into KOrganizer. KAddress didn't want to know about my Contacts section, but Gnome-Card imported the lot, automatically and trouble-free. A small thing to many of you, I know, but my life is in order again. :-) It also means that the balance of power has changed. I can now spend more time in Linux and less in Win98. Of course there are still problems to solve, but that's life. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] eth0 - eth1 problems
Steve Mendizabal wrote: Hello listers, just joined, just installed and hopefully won't get too many RTFM responses: On init these show as failed and its taking a long time to boot up. 1-2 min eth0 eth1 Now I believe these to be my ethernet cards. Any reason why they would be failing? Also I cant get my DSL to work either. I know the 2 are related but where to start to find the answer? Mandrake 8.2 DL version 10G partition 1Gig swap Dell 8200 128MB ram ethernet cards: Kingston EtherRx KNE111TX PCI Fast Ethernet CNet PRO200WL PCI Fast Ethernet (is there anyway to know which is which IE; eth0, eth1?) 1 partridge 1 peartree Steve Mendizabal Multimedia Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Yep, you can find out by looking in several different places 1. /etc/modules.conf specific alias instructions will be here to assign drivers to eth0 and eth1 2. linuxconf=networking=host name and IP network devices= Adaptor 1 will be eth0 and Adaptor 2 will be eth1 Now to get them working, _very patiently_ try Mandrake Control Center. = Network and Internet. eth1 should be the one connected to your internet connection eth0 should be connected to your local network The reason for that is that Internet connection sharing is set up that way, with eth0 at 192.168.0.1 offering dhcp and forwarding nameservice to the rest of the local network. So if ever you plan to use the Mandrake box as the gateway and just want to use the wizard rather than doing the iptables setup yourself, then you will be ready to do so. Now the internet connection and network setup should work OK, but keep in mind that they are two different setups, and the tool sets one up as the internet access method. Two nameservers are allocated for internet and one for local net. More than three can cause problems. Now as to why they are not working now--there could be several reasons 1. ACPI enabled in the BIOS could have placed all the cards in your system on the same interrupt. 2. The KNE111TX uses the tulip driver so if you see de4x5 in the alias on modules.conf, change it to tulip. 3. The CNET Pro200WL has zero documentation as to the chipset it uses both on the CNETusa and CNET.tw sites and from Dell. Most likely the tech info from Dell would be the only one applicable as it is likely an OEM version of the card specifically made for Dell. I do see articles about difficulty getting the CNet to run with Win2K. Try removing the CNET from your system and detecting only the other ethernet card. If this works, then it is interference or a bad detection which cannot be corrected because no technical information on the chipset in use is available. Possibly I could analyze the problem if you could post the output of lspci -vvv Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Switching GeForce cards
Just received my new GeForce 4 which will replace my GeForce 2. Other than replacing the card, do I need to re-install the nVidia RPMs, or can I just swap and play. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
Mark Stewart wrote: ASUS A7N266-VM84 512M DDR 165 Two hard disks160 CDRW/DVD109 Case (InWin 500D)54 Keyboard/mouse /speakers 12 Floppy drive 12 1G Duron 58 Fan/heatsink 30 Networking card12 Civileme, I have to say I was a little suprised to see an Nvidia mobo recommendation for Linux but I take it that it works well with Mandrake. Two questions about this setup: - does the sound work okay? (obviously not expecting the super cool AC3 encode/decode stuff but ...uses some Intel 810 driver, right?) - did the networking work? (or was the NIC you've included in the list necessary?) - does the install setup program for Mandrake deal with the builtin video/RAM allocation thang? ::mark Well, out of the box on a ProSuite workstation install, everything but networking... After downloading the NForce RPM for mandrake 8.2 from NVidia, the networking worked as well--it just could not be set up during install. That was NOT a recommendation, just an example. I had reasons for the NForce install related to testing, and in fact I cannot recommend it at all for those who will use RAID with any of the journaling filesystems. Thanks for info/clarification. I'm curious, though. If it works well what keeps you from recommending it? It seems at this point that there really isn't a single chipset/motherboard that is without _some_ issue. Mandrakelinux.com lists zero motherboards as Tested by MandrakeSoft and only 9 motherboards as MandrakeLabs Certified and two of these use the KT266 chipset that you were warning users about because of clock problems. One of them even has a Promise WinRAID controller. ::mark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Well, I am having problems with the proprietary driver+Nforce+journaling filesystem+software RAID0 producing massive corruption of filesystems. The little NForce would be neat with an inexpensive processor and RAID0 (two drives striping) in terms of fleetness of foot and video performance but for that. Removing the proprietary driver shows no corruption after a lot of sledgehammering. Yes, the WinRAIDs are often overlooked. With RAID disabled, they are high-quality extra controllers for IDE. It is also possible to make a WinRAID smaller than the whole disk and install linux on the rest of the two disks, using software RAID. In that case you should(tm) be able to read the winpartitions (if they aren't some hyper-secret form of NTFS). If WinRAID 0+1 is selected on 4 disks and the WinRAID doesn't use the whole disk, you should be able to put RAID4 or RAID5 on the balance of the four disks as well as RAID0 or RAID1. Of course the WinRAID gives you one RAID for whatever size you choose, and you partition within it, while linux software RAID gives you many RAIDs, each one partition with one filesystem. I have one machine using RAID5 for /home over 2 IDE and 2 SCSI disks, and RAID0 for /usr over the two SCSI drives, RAID0 for /var over the IDEs, and ext2 for / over the first IDE, while all 4 have swap (which stripes automatically). MandrakeLabs certified means they install and run with standard defaults. Software RAID and journaling filesystems in combination are not tested in that sequence, which is why the broken clock problem did not surface, but if ever you decide to use a BTTV 848 or similar, you will discover it quickly for yourself. And, yes, you are right. Intel 815 and 845 and the SiS chipsets seem to be the most trouble-free ATM. Performance doesn't have the pizazz power users think they need, but they do work (and the SiS stuff still tolerates my Voodoo 5). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Switching GeForce cards
On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 15:27, Miark wrote: Just received my new GeForce 4 which will replace my GeForce 2. Other than replacing the card, do I need to re-install the nVidia RPMs, or can I just swap and play. Miark When I did this, I just replaced the card and changed the videoram in XF86Config-4. No need to reinstall drivers. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Thrown off the list ?
On Sun, 02 Jun 2002 01:18, Brian Parish wrote: I think you may have experienced the same scenario as me Kaj. I have sent the message below twice now, with different subjects and it has failed to show in either version, while other posts I sent before and after were showing up as usual. Can anyone recall seeing this text? It's in reply to the recent thread on Quake 3. - I finally got around to doing this (not that I play games of course ;-) and would like to post a small word of warning about the scenario that just bit me: Install Q3 and attempt to run. Up comes a message saying that the permissions on the GLX device are too restrictive to allow this and I should go look at the FAQ kindly provided. snip I am soo far behind on my email. Have 1000s to catch up on... : ( But anyway, I definitely got your second post of the above email Brian. It was your reply (dated 31/05/02 01:13) to darklord's thread with the subject Re: [newbie] Quake 3 bites back (was Quake 3...again). Most likely got your original post as well but must have deleted it already. I can't believe no-one else received it! Very strange indeed. I'm in NZ. skinky -- Computers are like air conditioners they stop working properly if you open windows Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT?] Can anything be done about this?
Charlie wrote: June 27, 2002 02:16 am, Alastair Scott wrote: snip This - from a well-known academic specialist in security issues - is not uninteresting, although written with much asseveration (I would like to see proof of the points about mobile phone batteries and toner cartridges; such people, in a sense, make their reputation by seeing the worst in everything): http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html You were correct Alastair. It was considerably _less_ than uninteresting. :-) Thanks for the link. Coming from a military background (and someone who has no interest in online video, ebooks, music or all that), I'm less worried than some; the ideas are not new and a lot, really, should have been done by now. The general security of PCs is deplorable and software encryption is not good enough (the 'encrypted' data flies around unencrypted on the bus, along the monitor cable, to and from the keyboard etc. etc. for at least part of its existence :) For the military, for corporations, for government, for that matter for anyone that wants the technology fine. I do believe that the case could be made easily that these entities have need for secured hardware, and for secured software. It's so far into overkill for the average consumer that it beggars belief. The real issue is whether such solutions are applicable to John Q Public or not, and I think they are overkill. They are _certainly_ applicable in classified settings! My revulsion for the entire concept isn't for the solution itself per se. It's the TCPA; which to my mind is the newest of the new oxymorons. _Trusted?_ *Microsoft?* *Intel?* *The entire entertainment industry and it's public lapdogs such as _Senator Fritz_?* I now need to add AMD to this list? For all that, what corporation/bureaucracy/political body is truly trustworthy *sans* public audit? I won't play. I refuse to waste money and time to support the myth that Microsoft, Hollywood, et al and ad nauseum are granted a natural right to profit by abuse of the consumer. If the next computer that I build myself this fall is the last new computer I ever _own_ then so be it. I did claim, after all, to be a troglodyte. :-) Alastair Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Well, it is obvious that it is a real threat to consumers. It does treat the user as the enemy, and it does undermine the GPL. But soldiers and bullets will likely need to be used to enforce it. TCPA non-compliant processors will be made by VIA and others, most likely, for some time to come, unless legislation is bought to make it illegal to do so or to build a home computer from such. It introduces a split in the Frits and non-Fritz users, which will only widen as time moves on, and it protects entrenched money to the point that revolutionary thoughts may gain impetus. The plain and simple of this is that Microsoft is like a watershed empire. As long as the state controls the water, it is unassailable from within, no matter how rotten it becomes. To date, linux and other fringe enterprises have not been serious competition because the idea is to offer individuals with a will to own their own computers and lives an alternative. Now, with the TCPA/Palladium initiative, if it goes to completion, linux and free software become an external force. Look over history. Every watershed empire was eventually knocked over by an outside force of less technically supplied, less organized barbarians. Will the Fritz users be the watershed, and the non-Fritz the barbarians? Those who don't learn from the mistakes in history are doomed to repeat them. Look at government. In a democratic society, citizens should have the right to audit how their votes were counted and how their taxes were calculated. If we have this, it is possible for government to lock this data away. I think Lord Akton said it well, Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. OK what can you do? You can task yourself with educating 5 people over the next 12 months. And ask them to do the same That's really all that is required. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT?] Can anything be done about this?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:15 pm, civileme did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Look over history. Every watershed empire was eventually knocked over by an outside force of less technically supplied, less organized barbarians. i am a barbarian now? cool :) linus must a wee bit of viking blood in him i admit. OK what can you do? You can task yourself with educating 5 people over the next 12 months. And ask them to do the same That's really all that is required. that, and hope those you educate are not sheep, or the learning is lost. - -- The linux philosophy is laugh in the face of danger. Oops. Wrong one. 'Do it yourself.' That's it. -L. Torvalds shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9G4UwBwq+ZwvIN/oRAouLAJ9E0o9u5Tdh8Pj6AWsyoCBMv5HqWgCbB/T8 dcI7coCcsmY91dYOTnXxJyU= =6pnA -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whoopeee
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 27 June 2002 11:41 am, C.Anne Wilson did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Major breakthrough - I have to share. My life is bound up in my Lotus Organizer, and this has been a major stumbling block. It seemed that A small thing to many of you, I know, but my life is in order again. :-) It also means that the balance of power has changed. I can now spend more time in Linux and less in Win98. Of course there are still problems to solve, but that's life. that is by no means a small thing, and good for you! if it helps, the whole world needs to make that change in the power balance. - -- Microsoft, the RIAA, the TCPA, Palladium, etc. ad nausium, these are assaults on our basic rights as humans. They are all efforts to control us. They must be fought. You can have peace or freedom, but rarely both at once. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9G4ceBwq+ZwvIN/oRAhfYAJsHWb7yzb4Nw8xDZteFyBx2ya7vpQCfQke8 L/s29qPP9JVEaaSsEk6KsJY= =h64o -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT?] Can anything be done about this?
June 27, 2002 03:15 pm, civileme wrote: large snip Well, it is obvious that it is a real threat to consumers. It does treat the user as the enemy, and it does undermine the GPL. But soldiers and bullets will likely need to be used to enforce it. TCPA non-compliant processors will be made by VIA and others, most likely, for some time to come, unless legislation is bought to make it illegal to do so or to build a home computer from such. It introduces a split in the Frits and non-Fritz users, which will only widen as time moves on, and it protects entrenched money to the point that revolutionary thoughts may gain impetus. The plain and simple of this is that Microsoft is like a watershed empire. As long as the state controls the water, it is unassailable from within, no matter how rotten it becomes. To date, linux and other fringe enterprises have not been serious competition because the idea is to offer individuals with a will to own their own computers and lives an alternative. Now, with the TCPA/Palladium initiative, if it goes to completion, linux and free software become an external force. Look over history. Every watershed empire was eventually knocked over by an outside force of less technically supplied, less organized barbarians. Will the Fritz users be the watershed, and the non-Fritz the barbarians? Those who don't learn from the mistakes in history are doomed to repeat them. Look at government. In a democratic society, citizens should have the right to audit how their votes were counted and how their taxes were calculated. If we have this, it is possible for government to lock this data away. I think Lord Akton said it well, Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. OK what can you do? You can task yourself with educating 5 people over the next 12 months. And ask them to do the same That's really all that is required. Civileme ~ Thank you Civileme for your perspective. I'm still such a self professed 'noob' that I'm never certain whether I'm helping the movement or being a hindrance. That doesn't stop me making all sorts of noise with friends and acquaintances when I read news such as articles in this vein. I suppose I just need reassurance that this issue is something that merits the time and energy. Some of the opinions I've read (slashdot and a few other places) made me believe i was starting at shadows. The idiocy of Microsoft's positions recently actually makes it easier to show people what OSS/FS has to offer. Should I thank them for that? :-) The running score for people I've spoken to is 14 responses of 37 I sent links to, (but I'll probably get more responses this weekend) of which 12 are incensed over the arrogance displayed by TCPA. The other two are still stuck in HUH? mode. Ten are from Windows users that haven't even tried anything else. Possibly hadn't even considered it. Yet. :-) I'll keep stirring the pot here in Edmonton. On a side note: I think Senator Fritz and his co-sponsors should be dumped into a pile of their own excretions for a while. Then abused. -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Give thought to your reputation. Consider changing name and moving to a new town. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT?] Can anything be done about this?
June 27, 2002 03:35 pm, shane wrote: On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:15 pm, civileme did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Look over history. Every watershed empire was eventually knocked over by an outside force of less technically supplied, less organized barbarians. i am a barbarian now? cool :) Better than us troglodytes! :-) linus must a wee bit of viking blood in him i admit. OK what can you do? You can task yourself with educating 5 people over the next 12 months. And ask them to do the same That's really all that is required. that, and hope those you educate are not sheep, or the learning is lost. Workin' on it. -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org God instructs the heart, not by ideas, but by pains and contradictions. -- De Caussade Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Harddisk copy to harddisk
On Wednesday 26 June 2002 01:52 am, you wrote: Dennis Myers wrote: On Tuesday 25 June 2002 06:47 pm, you wrote: Does anyone know of the best way to copy my harddrive hda to a new harddrive, like you would use ghost? I have ghost but don't know if it will work with linux. Or is there a function in diskdrake that would work? Any suggestions or advice is appreciated. I am using 8.2 Being the adventurous sort and also impatient, I went ahead and tried ghost. This is from the new hard drive with all files intact. Small victories are lifes treasures. I now want to use the old hard drive as hdc and do raid to it. Suggestions on where to start the learning process? I can't find a man raid. Thanks for any help. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com In Progress, Dennis, a little patience will be rewarded. You can crashtest it. ;-) Civileme Wonderful! I am ready for a new round. Everything seems to be running at optimum and lots of room on the disks, I gave up sleep as a waste of time. Standing by. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE 3.0.1
On Thursday 27 June 2002 10:47 am, Terry Sheltra wrote: Hi all, I've just installed KDE 3.x on my LM 8.2 machine, and am coming across a minor annoyance I wish to try and correct. Every time I login in to my machine in KDM and start KDE, it always goes through the configuration wizard for KDE, as if I'm running it for the first time. I already have made my settings the first time I ran it, so I just click to quit the wizard and keep my current settings. Is there a way to tell KDE that I've already done this and not to show me the wizard anymore? Thanks! Terry Find the file .kde3/share/config/kpersonalizerrc in your local directory. Add the line FirstLogin=false That did the trick for me. (I ran across this on Mandrake Forum shortly after kde3 was released.) Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Switching from Voodoo to GeForce2
All this talk about swapping video cards has reminded me to ask, is there anything that should be done before swapping my Voodoo3 3500TV for a GeForce2 400MX? I'm swapping hardware between 2 computers in an attempt to get 1 really nice one for linux and make a winblows machine with the leftovers. Barry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] compact flash card usb reader
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:47:58 -0500 Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All would work I bet if I didn't get the following message: mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist anyone have an idea of how to create sda1. All the usb and scsi modules are loaded as far as I can tell. Hope Mandrakesoft is working on getting better usb support for 9.0. Any help is always appreciated. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Is it possible that you've disabled devfs? I think the usb stuff uses it and if so, that could be your problem. Joe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] postgres postmaster.opts - where to specify -i option?
i tried specifying -i in the /var/lib/pgsql/data/postmaster.opts file, but everytime i restart the machine, for some reason, the contents of the postmaster.opts reverts back to the original contents and the -i that i specified is lost. i also tried specifying the -i option in the /etc/init.d/postgresql file, but it didn't seem to work. i've gotten postgres to work with the -i by specifying it in the postmaster.opts file and restarting postgres, but again, the -i is lost when i restart the machine...? please help. thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT?] Can anything be done about this?
On Thursday 27 June 2002 05:35 pm, you wrote: On Thursday 27 June 2002 02:15 pm, civileme did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Look over history. Every watershed empire was eventually knocked over by an outside force of less technically supplied, less organized barbarians. i am a barbarian now? cool :) linus must a wee bit of viking blood in him i admit. OK what can you do? You can task yourself with educating 5 people over the next 12 months. And ask them to do the same That's really all that is required. that, and hope those you educate are not sheep, or the learning is lost. May I add something else here? Make sure that a percentage of those 5 you educate (or re-educate, as it were) are under the age of say...10? What is that saying about what they learn young...? smile -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] aviplay error
On Thursday 27 June 2002 06:17 pm, you wrote: Thanks for the info, Charles! I needed that. I thought it was just me... Time for YACD. (yet another CVS download) WC (with Checkinstall. Thanks Sridhar..) LX Lyvim, I was just curious...do you prefer Aviplay over others? I've been using Mplayer here, and (after getting it to complile) it will run just about everything I've thrown at it, including the kitchen sink (even DVDs). -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Switching from Voodoo to GeForce2
On Thu, 2002-06-27 at 21:25, Barry Michels wrote: All this talk about swapping video cards has reminded me to ask, is there anything that should be done before swapping my Voodoo3 3500TV for a GeForce2 400MX? I'm swapping hardware between 2 computers in an attempt to get 1 really nice one for linux and make a winblows machine with the leftovers. Barry I've got a suggestion, I don't know if it's SOP or not according to the Mandrake gurus Civ or Todd, but what I would try is downloading the latest Nvidia RPM's from their site onto your Linux system and install them. They don't take effect until you reboot the system; at least in my experience, anyway. Take care not to restart X either. Then make your modifications to your XF86Config-4 file to get Nvidia's recommended mods in place. Reading the installation PDF from Nvidia on this is very much required reading. After you make the modifications to your XF86Config-4 file, and double checked them, and made sure the Nvidia RPM's were installed properly, THEN I would power down and make the card switch. Cross your fingers when you power back up. ;) HTH, LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
