Re: [newbie] sylpheed-claws 1.9.6
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:54:06 + Lee Wiggers [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 09:04:36 -0500 Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:36:48 +, Lee wrote: I have had claws (0.9.10) running on my 9.2 box and now want to move the folder tree to the 10.1 box. You have to copy the mail folder _and_ the .sylpheed folder. Miark I spoke too soon. After moving .sylpheed and Mail to the 10.1 box, Claws still comes up with the default Mail settings and no new material. Yes, I changed ownership and permissions on the directories. Anything else, perchance?? From the release notes for tyhe 1.9.6 release: If you are migrating from the GTK1 version of Sylpheed-Claws... * default config dir is ~/.sylpheed-gtk2 You can copy your old config dir to the new location * plugins You will need to reload your plugins -- Chuck MATTSEN / mattsen at arvig dot net / Mahnomen, MN, USA Mandrakelinux release 10.2 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.10-3.mm.9mdk RLU #346519 / MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Reality is a user-defined parameter. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] any question
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:57:13 -0800 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 03 March 2005 09:40 pm, Aidan Holmes wrote: Which brings up the question on every perverts mind - I wonder if someone is building an XXX-rated distro of Linux yet? LinuXXX? Sinux? Hmmm. porno on linuxall the filth you want for your eyes, but none for your hard drive (virus's, ad/spy/malware). I hope Micro$oft doesn't hear about this, they might spread rumours that because linux doesn't support adware it therefore encourages browsing for porn. M$ has referred to Linux as a cancer before, might it now be 'the cancer that causes the moral decline of society'? ;) What ever you call it...it's gotta have joystick support That would be Handrakelinux -- Chuck MATTSEN / mattsen at arvig dot net / Mahnomen, MN, USA RLU #346519 / Mandrakelinux 10.2-Cooker / 2.6.10-1.mm.18mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] any question
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:34:55 +0100 Stefan Tulak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've installed mandrakelinux for one month and I'm very pleasured. ^^ Now /there's/ a thread for the Off-Topic list if I've ever seen one. Do you own any goats? -- Chuck MATTSEN / mattsen at arvig dot net / Mahnomen, MN, USA RLU #346519 / Mandrakelinux 10.2-Cooker / 2.6.10-1.mm.18mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] any question
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 23:20:28 -0500 Mr. Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which brings up the question on every perverts mind - I wonder if someone is building an XXX-rated distro of Linux yet? LinuXXX? Sinux? -- Chuck MATTSEN / mattsen at arvig dot net / Mahnomen, MN, USA RLU #346519 / Mandrakelinux 10.2-Cooker / 2.6.10-1.mm.18mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Maintenance, what if any?
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 05:17:44 + Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you fail to do your maintenance there will be no noticeable effect until one day you cannot boot because your disc is full. (Just like the poster last week) Well, if you're referrin' to my dilemma of last week, not quite just like, but the concept's the same, I suppose. In my case, my log files weren't huge through neglect or nonrotation, but rather were growing fast enough that one could actually see the size increasing quickly while watching HD usge via gkrellm ... error messages were filling them (the mail logs) up rapidly (apparently due to some IMAP setting that got turned on with a recent update), and turning off that daemon, manually rotating the logs to regain some space, and deleting some of the old dross left behind in the process fixed the problem and the logs remain tiny now. :-) But similar, yeah. :-) -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.2 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: Updating POPFile (WAS: Re: [newbie] Hay-ulp! :) Suddenly no free space on /)
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:02:39 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've added a section to the PopFile page on the TWiki at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/PopFile#Using_upgrade_to_change_to_an_orthodox_install Wonderful. Thanks. I'll try it out soon. :-) -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.2 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird both borked after upgrade
Not urgent, actually, as I'm planning on switching from Thunderbird back to Evolution, as it will sync with the Tungsten E I have on the way :-), but I /would/ like to be able to access the mail which I now seem to have no access to; same with Firefox -- I know I can create a new profile there and rebuild what I need, but it'd be nice to have access to the old settings. The scenario is this: Have been running older versions of both TB and FF until today, when I decided to take the two of them out of my urpmi skip.list and allow them to upgrade finally. So, did urpmi, which did its thing, ran each once as root first (since that seemed to be critical with earlier upgrades), then attempted to run as usual. Thunderbird seems to have kept my account settings, and my folder directory even seems to show the proper counts for unread mail, etc., as I had left it before the upgrade, but nothing will show to the right ... neither a message listing nor anything in the preview pane. Similarly, the get mail button seems to do nothing now. Any ideas, other than creating a new profile and starting over? Same with Firefox ... my bookmarks are still there, and my Google toolbar is still there, but I've lost the ability to make profile changes (it warns it couldn't write to the profile and any changes would be lost upon shutting down the program). Any ideas there, again, other than starting over with the new profile? I know that upgrades have been problematic from the get-go, but was hoping they'd ironed things out a bit better by now. Oh, well. Anyway, TIA for any pointers. I've had little luck finding my way around the Mozilla forum/FAQs for this. -- Chuck MATTSEN ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird both borked after upgrade
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 19:41 +0100, Paul wrote: You say you ran the programs as root at first go. Go and see if something in your home-dir has changed ownership from your ID to root. Perhaps that is where the mishap started? Specifically ownership of ~/.thunderbird and ~/.phoenix are interesting in this respect. Nope, nothing amiss there, near as I can tell. User still owns. Hmmm. Thx. -- Chuck MATTSEN ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird both borked after upgrade
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 19:05 -0700, mike wrote: Chuck MATTSEN wrote: Same with Firefox ... my bookmarks are still there, and my Google toolbar is still there, but I've lost the ability to make profile changes (it warns it couldn't write to the profile and any changes would be lost upon shutting down the program). Any ideas there, again, other than starting over with the new profile? You could delete the .slt in your ~/.phoenix/default/ directory and restart Firefox. Sometimes thats corrected some strange happenings for me. I did not lose my settings when deleteing .slt. Restart Firefox and it will create a new .slt with your old settings. May help, I don't know, I don't use the mdk rpm version. Thanks, but proved not to be necessary (at least with Firefox; Thunderbird is still borked but, again, I'm migrating to Evolution, anyway, just want to have access to that old mail if I can). With Firefox, what I ended up doing was doing an import of the bookmarks from the old profile; it didn't balk at that at all. Then I simply downloaded and installed the plug-ins I wanted, as I'd likely have had to update them anyway. So, Firefox is fully functional again, and more or less in the state it was prior to the upgrade (with the exception of version changes, of course). That was relatively painless. Thunderbird is proving to be more challenging. I tried copying the mail dirs for safekeeping then a urpme followed by a urpmi, which gave me a functional copy of TB, albeit with a brand new, empty profile. Then tried moving some of the old mail dirs to the new profile, and got *some* of my mail back (Inbox and one other folder with unread mail showed up, but none of the others ... odd). I may end up just calling the old mail a lost cause, unless someone has any other ideas. I'm still trying to find info at the Mozilla-TB forum, but I tend to get lost there and find everything but what I'm looking for. :-) So, it's not in the critical category, but rather in the gee, wouldn't it be great if category now ... still important, but Thx. -- Chuck MATTSEN ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hay-ulp! :) Suddenly no free space on /
Derek Jennings wrote: tail -n 100 /var/log/mail/errors will list the bottom 100 lines of the log. With that many error lines something is certainly wrong somewhere. Hopefully you have not been 'cracked' by a spammer. Nah. :-) I took a look-see at Errors, and it was filled with nothing but DB errors (Berkeley database) ... my POPFile spam program uses Berkeley, and I'm assuming that one of the recent perl or other updates broke something my version of POPFile uses. I've temporarily disabled the spam filtering until I can sort it out (no biggie, since less than 0.005% of my incoming mail is spam, anyway, since I changed my address last year :-) Thanks again Derek, and all, for your help. I go into panic mode when something happens on my system, I depend upon it so, and I've got just enough knowledge to get myself into trouble, it seems, so I usually need a steer in the right direction before I muck things up royally. :) -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Registered Linux User #346519 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Success is more a function of consistent common sense than it is of genius. - An Wang Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hay-ulp! :) Suddenly no free space on /
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 13 Feb 2005 08:18, Chuck MATTSEN wrote: Derek Jennings wrote: tail -n 100 /var/log/mail/errors will list the bottom 100 lines of the log. With that many error lines something is certainly wrong somewhere. Hopefully you have not been 'cracked' by a spammer. Nah. :-) I took a look-see at Errors, and it was filled with nothing but DB errors (Berkeley database) ... my POPFile spam program uses Berkeley, and I'm assuming that one of the recent perl or other updates broke something my version of POPFile uses. Hmm - I was about to run updates today, but I'd hate to be without my PopFile. I've had this address long enough to have a fair bit of spam. I wonder how best to tackle this? Perhaps taking the errors back to the PopFile mailing list might be a good idea. At least they'd know what would give rise to such errors and give guidance. They're a very helpful lot. Well, I'm running a Cooker box, so it possibly wouldn't affect you anyway unless it was a security update or one to your flavor of ML. But, I think I spoke too soon as to the source of the problem. After shutting down POPFile I saw that the logs were still growing fairly quickly, and another look showed that I was getting a lot of imap errors ... I don't use imap. I /think/ (and I use that term very loosely :-) that one of the recent updates turned on cyrus-imapd whereas it hadn't been on before. On a lark, I shut it down and stopped it from starting at boot, then re-enabled POPFile and -- so far -- no more errors, so it would appear that I was amiss when I fingered the Berekely database itself; rather, it apparently had something to do with imap and, presumably, that daemon. In any case, things seem to be running normally again /with/ POPFile in place. I'm running an older version of PF (v0.20.1), as I believe you are, Anne (perhaps even older?), so I thought maybe an incompatibility had crept in, but apparently not. I've been running this Cooker box for the past year, give or take, and for the most part it's been no problem at all, but every once in awhile it hands me a little surprise :-); I think this may have been one of those times, though I'm not sure yet. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Registered Linux User #346519 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Personality can open doors, but only character can keep them open. -- Elmer G. Letterman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Updating POPFile (WAS: Re: [newbie] Hay-ulp! :) Suddenly no free space on /)
Anne Wilson wrote: In any case, things seem to be running normally again /with/ POPFile in place. I'm running an older version of PF (v0.20.1), as I believe you are, Anne (perhaps even older?), so I thought maybe an incompatibility had crept in, but apparently not. I updated a few days ago to the latest version. There were some problems with the install caused by the fact that my previous install didn't put things where PopFile expected them, but once that was solved everything is fine. Apart from the colour of the UI page I haven't noticed much difference yet (there may be additions that I haven't looked at) but bug-fixes etc are always welcome. I'd be interested in hearing in more detail, if you have time, about what you needed to do to update POPFile. I know there are Linux /install/ directions in the POPFile user space, but I don't recall seeing anything about updating an extant install and John's always changing things around from one database to another, moving files around, etc., so I'm hesitant to attempt it without a walk-through. Any pointers appreciated. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Registered Linux User #346519 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Be not so bigoted to any custom as to worship it at the expense of truth. -- Johann Georg von Zimmermann Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: Updating POPFile (WAS: Re: [newbie] Hay-ulp! :) Suddenly no free space on /)
Anne Wilson wrote: Yes - if I'm not to be red-faced for evermore I need to write a bit for the TWiki. There are good install instructions specifically for Mandrake, which should be perfect if it's a new install, but mine wasn't. In the next day or two I'll go through the thread where they helped me troubleshoot and from that come up with a TWiki entry. I'll drop a line in here to say when it's done. That would be great if you can, thanks. Yeah, for a cross-platform distribution I find PF's Linux support (in the forums there) to be somewhat sparse beyond that set of instructions for a fresh install. I think most of the folks hanging out there are just too familiar with CVS and all, and just don't realize how difficult it might be for someone else to perform an update when there's no packaged .rpm for Mdk. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Registered Linux User #346519 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: People seem to enjoy things more when they know a lot of other people have been left out of the pleasure. -- Russell Baker Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] login problem
Derek Jennings wrote: This is possibly because you upgraded instead of installing. You are still using devfs instead of udev. To fix it. Install udev Edit /etc/lilo.conf and in each stanza in the 'append' line change the devfs option to 'devfs=nomount' Then run 'lilo -v' to rewrite your boot sector. Then reboot. During the boot sequence you should see a message about using udev. Thats it! Your log in should now be much faster. Hey, Derek ... I've also done as you suggest above in switching to udev, but at boot I'm getting a lot of error messages reading: open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory Is there something else that must be tweaked? I've changed each instance of devfs=mount to devfs=nomount, have run lilo -v, and have checked in services running, where devfs is shown as not running, not to start at boot and udev is shown as running, to start at boot ... What am I missing here? Log-in is now lightning fast in comparison, of course, but still a long string of those errors during both boot and shutdown. ...? -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Registered Linux User #346519 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- Arthur C. Clarke, Technology and the Future Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] login problem
Derek Jennings wrote: On Sunday 13 February 2005 20:37, Chuck MATTSEN wrote: Hey, Derek ... I've also done as you suggest above in switching to udev, but at boot I'm getting a lot of error messages reading: open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory Is there something else that must be tweaked? I've changed each instance of devfs=mount to devfs=nomount, have run lilo -v, and have checked in services running, where devfs is shown as not running, not to start at boot and udev is shown as running, to start at boot ... What am I missing here? Log-in is now lightning fast in comparison, of course, but still a long string of those errors during both boot and shutdown. ...? /dev/fb0 is the video frame buffer. That node is present on my system, but for some reason it is not being created on yours. Are you up to date with your updates? Maybe it would help if you created it manually. Try putting mknod /dev/fb0 c 29 0 at the end of /etc/rc.local Hmmm. No effect, at least upon the boot-up error messages after doing so. I /did/ get some interesting visual effects at shutdown time, but other than that, no noticeable difference. Thanks, will have to research it some more. It wouldn't appear to be critical, at least, as all seems normal otherwise. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Registered Linux User #346519 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: A fanatic is a person who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Winston Churchill Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Hay-ulp! :) Suddenly no free space on /
I'm pretty CLI stupid (as will be apparent here, no doubt), so I'd appreciate it if someone with some patience could try to walk me through a fix for this, if possible. The scenario is that yesterday I had about 1 gig free on my / partition. Haven't installed any programs in the interim other than a urpmi update (which still left me showing most of that 1 gig free), but as of this a.m. I'm showing zero free space during boot-up and cannot get into Mandrake. I would suspect some dump or errant log file, no? I tried logging in as root and doing a logrotate from the CLI (based on advice I'd seen given in an earlier thread here), but apparently I'm missing something in that equation, as a logrotate -f did nothing ... do I need to specify a path argument there, as well, and if so, what? Any other suggestions? Is /tmp safe to delete from willy-nilly? Other things to look for? Any help appreciated so that I can at least get back in and work on this from within the GUI (so, again, please dumb-down appropriately any responses that require me using the CLI, if you'd be so kind). Thanks. -- Chuck Mattsen (Mahnomen, MN) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hay-ulp! :) Suddenly no free space on /
Derek Jennings wrote: The scenario is that yesterday I had about 1 gig free on my / partition --snip--8 If you have more than one partition 'df' is useful to find the partition that is filling up. Definitely / [I'm back in X, BTW ... I deleted the .gz'ed log backups, which apparently gave me just barely enough free space to get back in, then I removed a few programs, giving me a bit more space, via the GUI. Yes you can delete stuff in /tmp as well as anything in ~/tmp (your home tmp folder), and can delete any core dump files you find (they are named 'core.xxx' ) You could also remove any archived log files in /var/log To make logrotate run use the command logrotate -vf /etc/logrotate.conf Too help you in the future it is a good idea to install Midnight Commander (urpmi mc) so you can navigate the file system in the command line. Installing anacron (urpmi anacron) will ensure your log files and /tmp folder do not fill up in the future by ensuring logrotate gets run daily. Once you have X running again fsv (in contrib) is great for visualising where all your disc space has gone. hth Wonderful. Thanks. I have a few things to check out, then. I've been running with roughly the same free space on / for quite some time now, so not sure what caused it to suddenly begin filling up. Appreciate the detailed info above. Again, thx. :-) -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Registered Linux User #346519 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Give me where to stand, and I will move the earth. -- Archimedes, 300 B.C. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hay-ulp! :) Suddenly no free space on /
Derek Jennings wrote: You could also remove any archived log files in /var/log Say, looking in some of the subdirectories there, it would seem that my mail logs have suddenly gone crazy, no? Or so it would seem to me, anyway (below). Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, it would appear that this could account for the missing nearly 1 gig, no? Any insight appreciated. TIA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] /]$ cd /var/log/mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail]$ dir -print total 912908 230380 -rw--- 1 0 0 268 Jan 10 04:02 warnings.5.gz 229933 -rw--- 1 0 020 Jan 10 04:02 info.5.gz 229914 -rw--- 1 0 020 Jan 10 04:02 errors.5.gz 231201 -rw--- 1 0 0 505 Jan 16 04:02 warnings.4.gz 231195 -rw--- 1 0 020 Jan 16 04:02 info.4.gz 231186 -rw--- 1 0 020 Jan 16 04:02 errors.4.gz 234247 -rw--- 1 0 0 1047 Jan 25 04:02 warnings.3.gz 234246 -rw--- 1 0 020 Jan 25 04:02 info.3.gz 234245 -rw--- 1 0 0 104 Jan 25 04:02 errors.3.gz 232989 -rw--- 1 0 020 Jan 30 04:02 errors.2.gz 232991 -rw--- 1 0 0 704 Jan 30 04:02 warnings.2.gz 232990 -rw--- 1 0 020 Jan 30 04:02 info.2.gz 232707 -rw--- 1 0 0 586 Feb 6 04:02 warnings.1.gz 232699 -rw--- 1 0 020 Feb 6 04:02 info.1.gz 231565 -rw--- 1 0 0 150 Feb 6 04:02 errors.1.gz 232704 -rw--- 1 0 0 197636096 Feb 12 08:53 warnings 231214 -rw--- 1 0 0 539029504 Feb 12 08:53 errors 231768 -rw--- 1 0 0 197160960 Feb 12 08:53 info [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail]$ -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Registered Linux User #346519 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Patience; n. A minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hay-ulp! :) Suddenly no free space on /
Chuck MATTSEN wrote: Say, looking in some of the subdirectories there, it would seem that my mail logs have suddenly gone crazy, no? Or so it would seem to me, anyway (below). Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, it would appear that this could account for the missing nearly 1 gig, no? I realize it's bad form to reply to one's own message (not only once, but twice :-), but by way of an update Thanks again, Derek; I've done the logrotate per your instructions and I now have not only 1 Gb free, but 2 Gb. :-) I'll have to watch to see what's been causing the sudden growth, but I've got some room to move again. Will check into the programs you mentioned, as well. thx. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Registered Linux User #346519 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: The words we use can compound our problems. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[Fwd: Laptop CPU Temps (WAS: Re: [newbie] seti@home install/setup)]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 sympa bounced this once (see below); hopefully, this time it'll make it. :-\ - Original Message Subject: Laptop CPU Temps (WAS: Re: [newbie] [EMAIL PROTECTED] install/setup) Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:00:15 -0500 From: Chuck MATTSEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Len Lawrence wrote: | Chuck MATTSEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | |Back in my heavy Windows-using days (which wasn't very long ago at |all), I briefly ran some protein analysis program (United Devices, |or something similar). I may look into it again soon. (If you're |referring to a different outfit, yes, please repost the link.) My |only concern right now is that, though I've got CPU cycles to spare, |I'm a little paranoid about the high CPU drain with respect to the |heat it seems to produce on this relatively new laptop. :) | | Know what you mean. My laptop overheats as well. Watching DVDs is a pain | on my Sony VAIO because it freezes after an hour or so into the film. I | rarely run mine anyway for longer than two hours. Hmmm. I've not had any problems with the laptop freezing (yet), nor any instability, over these past 5-6 months of operation. It wasn't until I started running both [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the gkrellm CPU temp monitor yesterday. ~ I grew concerned because I saw the temp jump from its baseline (with my usual mail, browser, etc., running) of the 50 C. range up to the mid- to high-70s C. range with the CPU maxed and running [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not certain what the unstable/dangerous range would be for it (an Athlon XP-M 2600+ on this Compaq Presario 2175US notebook), but I apparently haven't reached it (I suspect it's mid-80s and higher, but that guesstimate is just that from my /very/ limited search for info). In any case, I became concerned about temps yesterday but apparently needn't be, in that I've also just noticed that I get the same temp spikes with xscreensaver running, and I've been doing that for 8+ hours per day for most of those 5 months or so. Still, longevity/stability is a concern, so it deserves more research. | The [EMAIL PROTECTED] link is http://folding.stanford.edu Danke. - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Alpha 1) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ All things change; nothing is extinguished. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBE9hx+qbiwggubBwRAnEUAKCDen1WQ6zsTRMJCGUdgIsRHzcSggCfYvrL G0kMSX68lNyYvbQqO1juM5E= =Brj3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] seti@home install/setup
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I'm feeling even denser than usual today. Could someone point me to a good, comprehensive site for all things SETI under Linux? I know it's a CLI version, and there are various monitoring programs for it (including gkrellm, which is what I'd like to use), but I really need a site that gives me a step-by-step from start to finish, if there is one. So far, I've not found anything that dumbs it down to the degree that I apparently need today. TIA - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Alpha 1) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBEnPO+qbiwggubBwRApgGAJ9Dn3E0NrYgJUoBABUdF6VNJBW0EQCeJNKT Qbz5UXlKRB+aC0AqSzl5/mc= =bW5t -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Solved (WAS: Re: [newbie] seti@home install/setup)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck MATTSEN wrote: | Okay, I'm feeling even denser than usual today. Could someone point | me to a good, comprehensive site for all things SETI under Linux? I | know it's a CLI version, and there are various monitoring programs | for it (including gkrellm, which is what I'd like to use), but I | really need a site that gives me a step-by-step from start to | finish, if there is one. So far, I've not found anything that dumbs | it down to the degree that I apparently need today. | | TIA Thanks to Paul who gave me the clue I was lacking (among others) to run interactively with a ./ -- no problems getting going now. :-) - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Alpha 1) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Life is lived forwards, but understood backwards. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBEqt/+qbiwggubBwRAtDXAJ44B/RfYZdhY04WOt70QylyJqtKfwCfZ1TI V4FkhAiPV+61YJlYdi4vd2s= =kQcd -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Real Audio Player
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck MATTSEN wrote: | urpmi realplay My bad . . . after a double check, the package I have installed is RealPlayer-8.0-8mdk . . . I can't recall, however, the source (i.e., whether from one of the mirrors or Power Pack CD). - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ No mud can soil us but the mud we throw. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA9ZBL+qbiwggubBwRAjksAJ0R0hiDtkQ66NQcu+RYfZvXlomzuwCghXKR sxW80qzVFBiNsbUai5C4UMA= =iH6S -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Gimp 1.2 and 2.0 together on one system
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Verheul wrote: | Hi all, | | With the new install of mdk 10.0 I came Gimp 1.2. Is it possible to | install 2.0 so that it can be used next to 1.2 or is that really not a | good plan? | | If not, what would be the best way to install 2.0? Is there already a | rpm that I can use on mdk 10.0? FWIW, I ended up (by accident, when 2.0 was in preview state, or whatever it was called) with both 1.2 and 2.0 installed, and they've been coexisting nicely so far. I've not really heavily used either of them, but have encountered no problems. - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Being able to say NO is the root to reclaiming your life. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA9ZDQ+qbiwggubBwRAm/tAJwJT8S5/O8cfReu6gs2CjMvnX40oQCfX89K tgqOBpXcrY1dc/FsqEhOInk= =7x9Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Firefox and Thunderbird aren't playing nice!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Amy wrote: [...] | Both programs do the same thing, they act like they're loading up, then | poof, all gone. [...] | However, I figured I'd run it past you guys and see | if anyone had any ideas if there was something else I could check on to | see about fixing instead. | | Let me know if there's any other information you guys might need in | order to help me. Otherwise I'll just wait and see if it'll fix itself | in a few days with updates. There's been a thread on the Cooker list about problems with 0.7 and 0.9 Thunderbird and Firefox, respectively ... seems many are having problems. Some have reported that running either/both of them as root first has solved the non-start problem; others have suggested removing the profile(s) -- still others reported that neither of the above have helped them. Can't speak to either upgrade personally, as I've held off after seeing others' difficulties with them. I'll wait, and that would be my suggestion (beyond trying the run-as-root method, since it's nondestructive :-). - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm - -- Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Dear Auntie Em, ~ Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA3rVY+qbiwggubBwRAncWAKCFlWAE+iycPaPZJE7wCw4zjvqvYQCeLOF8 pSyoY/A+7AN8jIKeX88m2cM= =ykII -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mirror recommendations for urpmi?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Margot wrote: | When selecting mirrors, it makes no difference where you live - you just | need to find one that works for you. The proxad mirrors in France are | generally reliable, but of course if everybody starts using a particular | mirror it will get slower for everyone! The proxad mirrors are what I've been using, and they've proven quite reliable, but many of the others are, too (FWIW, I've had the most trouble with U.S. mirrors). Check out the current status of cooker mirrors here: http://home.skycon.net/~junfan/cookermirrors.php I suspect, however, that your Thunderbird and Firefox problems are likely due to problems inherent in those upgrade packages based on the threads there of late. You can check the Cooker archives just as you do those for newbie or expert; go to: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerr=1w=2 [On an unrelated note, but I believe it was you who had shared the problems with messages from Oozy crashing TB, I've found that if I right click the folder, select Properties, and then check the box to apply the listed encoding (Western in my case) to all messages in the folder TB no longer crashes on those messages. I just had another one crash TB this morning (not from Oozy, but someone else using the Windows '1256' charset), and this seemed to fix it.] - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm - -- Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ With every passing hour our solar system comes forty-three thousand miles closer to globular cluster 13 in the constellation Hercules, and still there are some misfits who continue to insist that there is no such thing as progress. -- Ransom K. Ferm -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA3rwC+qbiwggubBwRAu9rAJ4tp7zrP8mkz2GaD3w/cxV0wcNpRwCZAfZ0 vq7Jg7cnEzT8VrzBw/7CkmE= =n37A -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Firefox and Thunderbird aren't playing nice!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul wrote: | Op Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:54:01 -0500 schreef Chuck MATTSEN: | |There's been a thread on the Cooker list about problems with 0.7 and |0.9 Thunderbird and Firefox, respectively ... seems many are having |problems. | | I have not encountered the 'run as root only' problem. Actually, it's a run _first_ as root thing. :-) I suspect it's a matter of folder permissions and creation at play. | I already dropped Thunderbird after 0.4 because every new release | brought new problems and lost functionality, upto where I could not | really use it anymore (too bad, I liked it). Firefox still 0.8 plays | nice. I hope they fix the problem I encountered with 0.9. Otherwise I | will be back with Netscape, or try my luck with the latest Opera. I love Thunderbird, but the upgrade difficulties often encountered -- as well as the difficulties with the /chrome folder with respect to extensions and upgrading _them_ (often requiring deletion of the folder and RE-installing all of the extensions, sometimes as user, sometimes as root, sometimes in the profile, sometimes not, blah, blah, blah), can be a real pain in the behind, agreed. Nevertheless, I still love Thunderbird. If Sylpheed (and/or claws) would only be a little less butt-ugly :-), and provide better HTML support (unlikely to happen, it seems), I'd switch in a heartbeat. - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ What if the Hokey Pokey really is what it's all about? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA3r1d+qbiwggubBwRAha7AJ4gBCxK2dtKITgPmwT01jFAgzZkRACfTahU 6h8rQqnqZLVgm2UlpZ2TuHI= =ylOs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 robin wrote: | The traditional method is to go to a crossroads at midnight, draw a | pentagram on the ground and sacrifice a goat. Otherwise, the method Joe | suggests will probably work. Bah! Any decent secret society would require virgin sacrifice. - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ The food that you get in art museums is institutional revenge for the art that you get in restaurants. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA3gRr+qbiwggubBwRAoVWAJ9W9frh7V5hfAIvInqKOxNciIgn2ACfThgH vOLMUMj+SUvH05NGc51Zq1I= =h6zP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hoyt Bailey wrote: | On Saturday 26 June 2004 18:19, Chuck MATTSEN wrote: | |robin wrote: || The traditional method is to go to a crossroads at midnight, draw a || pentagram on the ground and sacrifice a goat. Otherwise, the method | | Joe | || suggests will probably work. | |Bah! Any decent secret society would require virgin sacrifice. | | | There is a better use for virgins. Scared me for a second there ... I thought you were going to say you had a better use for goats. :-) - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ The man who dies with the most toys is dead. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA3gn6+qbiwggubBwRAu8UAJ9P2sT4IBk7A9iz0NSDxvmWxAzyRgCeNS8x 4ew+tY6z5EHued0woRckJUs= =wtuz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Multipal copies of same message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hoyt Bailey wrote: | Is anyone else getting 3 or 4 copies of each message. Whats causing it? No. Errant filtering? Improper ISP logouts? Possibly just sympa silliness? - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm - -- Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Meditation is not what you think. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA3B4B+qbiwggubBwRAppKAKCGlB+CRcqy2NZxI98Fan6mMkGA/wCfQBWU 7DVFq1G9yWA3z7kkN4bQza8= =fV9G -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Favorite Linux Distro for 2004?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Charles A Edwards wrote: | On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:19:50 -0400 | JoeHill wrote: | |I'm not so concerned about the offtopic, but the link you posted seems |to automatically enter a vote for Gentoo. | | It is more than that!!! | It is a deliberate plant | | NO ONE named maxxik has Ever before posted to either the newbie or | expert list!! | | He Is Now entered in my May They Rot in Hell filter | | Charles The little p---ant did, however, remind us (well, me, anyway ... I can't speak or anyone else) of the hazards of indiscriminately clicking proffered links. - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ This life is a test. It is only a test. Had this been an actual life, you would have received further instructions as to what to do and where to go. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA21Ai+qbiwggubBwRAjhBAJ4/vVQJnbYQd7wm9AuHIhM/IJe4UQCdHWbY DaQ1a7hr/qHK+8eCYJNEsJM= =Kxux -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Favorite Linux Distro for 2004?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 JoeHill wrote: | ...did better than that: | | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=189893 Love it. - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk MT Lookup: http://eot.com/~mattsen/mtsearch.htm - -- Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ I think the mistake a lot of us make is thinking the state-appointed shrink is our friend. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA21VI+qbiwggubBwRArJAAJ9oWg8rvrUaFWPfjaNmg3IIREzQgACggo74 XkRCZrNDHxznb0PUjhOCtiY= =iveo -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] XP/MDK dual boot -- setting up shared FAT32 partition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Okay, I've been avoiding doing this for awhile, for fear of borking something, but it's time. :-) I have a 40GB HD, with a dual boot setup of XP Pro and Mandrake. Previously, I had pared down the size of the XP partition, so that my current allocation is as follows: XP Pro NTFShda114 GB unassigned -- -- 9.7 GB / ext3hda55.8 GB swap -- hda60.5 GB /home ext3hda76.5 GB I'd like to make the currently unassigned drive space (or most of it, anyway) a FAT32 shared data partition, but want to make sure that I understand the procedure -- and any potential problem areas -- before I attempt it, as I'd /like/ to leave the current installation and data intact, rather than doing so via a wipe/reinstall. So, questions: (Feel free to dumb down your answers to the appropriate level of understanding ... i.e., you can't go /too/ low :-), as you can no doubt tell by the questions themselves.) 1. Am I correct in assuming that, because Windows flavors tend not to play well with others, that the formatting/assignment of the free space to FAT32 should be done from within Mandrake, or not? If so, would I then have trouble getting XP to recognize it. 2. Regardless of where the operation is performed, the drive assignments (currently hda5-7) would end up getting renumbered, correct? If so, will Mdk handle this automatically, or need I be prepared to do some manual editing of config files? 3. Running a laptop, and having run into a failed resume cycle yesterday, I'm thinking the fail may have been due to the resume data being written to the current swap partition? If so, would it then make sense to take some relatively small amount of that free space and set it aside for such purpose. What I probably really need is a detailed step-by-step before I'm comfortable performing this, but I certainly don't expect anyone here to go to such lengths. So, if anyone has a pointer to a really //basic// step-by-step, a link would be appreciated. All I've found so far is either not Mandrake-specific or details only part of the procedure/concept. TIA, - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 06:55:00 up 11:00, 2 users, load average: 0.51, 0.28, 0.15 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Doubt grows with knowledge -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA1YAa+qbiwggubBwRAp9GAJ9dKEy/xsU3jdCD4S3iy2PL7Lf2cQCcDgFR 2nFMkg6TuypcQZxih26GHIU= =K3r4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] XP/MDK dual boot -- setting up shared FAT32 partition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: | Partition numbering is a combination of fixed and variable numbering. | The primary partitions are always 1 through 4, and are independent of | the logical partitions created in the extended partitions. | Extended partitions are a special type of primary partition that define | a chunck of disk space that is then broken up into smaller logical | partitions. You can have a total of 4 primary partitions and extended | partitions. ( 0P, 4E or 1P, 3E or 2P, 2E or 3P, 1E or 4P, 0E) Each | extended partition can have 4 logical partitions. (This is if you are | going to have a DOS type partition table - there are other formats, but | windows doesn't like them.) [...] | The correct way to do it is to create a second extended partition | using the free space, and then create a logical drive in it. I do not | have enough experience with XP to know if it will handle having a FAT32 | primary partition, along with a NTFS primary partition. I know Windows | 95 and 98 would handle having 2 primary partitions, even though you are | not supposed to do it. | | Before you start changing things, would you send the output of fdisk -l | /dev/hda so we can see how things are now. I don't know if your free | space is part of your extended partition, or if it is not claimed by any | partition. Space can be claimed by an extended partition, but not used | by a logical partition, or not claimed by any partition. It makes a | difference on what you can do with it. Gladly ... thanks (I /almost/ followed part of that LOL): [EMAIL PROTECTED] chuck]# fdisk -l /dev/hda Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes ~ Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 1191615390238+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/hda231854864134946005 Extended /dev/hda531853949 6143728+ 83 Linux /dev/hda639494013 511528+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda740134864 6839248+ 83 Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] chuck]# - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 13:35:00 up 4:54, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.23, 0.17 - -- Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~G: If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do? ~ EB: Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air ~ and scatter oneself over a wide area. ~ -- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA1dpr+qbiwggubBwRAu5xAJ9Rbg9VN6BnXkWENp/3CkUvequlDQCePpWL 4WrQDJlvtHCJup5EmKW4Rqg= =/Z99 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] XP/MDK dual boot -- setting up shared FAT32 partition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: | Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4864 cylinders | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes | | ~ Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System | /dev/hda1 * 1191615390238+ 7 HPFS/NTFS | /dev/hda231854864134946005 Extended | /dev/hda531853949 6143728+ 83 Linux | /dev/hda639494013 511528+ 82 Linux swap | /dev/hda740134864 6839248+ 83 Linux | [EMAIL PROTECTED] chuck]# | | | Ok - the section of your drive from 1917 to 3184 is not owned by any | partition. You have two choices here. You can create a primary | partition out of it, or you can create a second extended partition out | of it. | If you create a primary partition out if it, the numbers of the Linux | partitions will not change. You will just add /dev/hda3. But I am not | sure how XP will deal with it. I think it will be fine with it. You | have probably have to create the partition in Linux, but I would try | using fdisk in Windows, and see if it will let you create a FAT32 | primary partition. Windows is always happier if you use its tools to | create things. If it wants to create an extended partition, and a | logical drive, you may have problems booting Linux after that, until you | edit /etc/fstab. I do not know what will happen with the logical | partition numbers, but I suspect they will change. | | You can also create the primary partition in Linux, change the type to | FAT32, and then format it in Windows. This is usually better then | trying to format it in Linux. (It can be done, but Windows isn't always | happy about it.) I use fdisk or cfdisk (does Mandrake include cfdisk?) | for this. You can try doing it in harddrake, or I can give you step by | step directions later, when I am back on my Linux box. If I do it off | the top of my head, I will forget something. Thanks ... appreciate the info, and the time taken. That gives me a little bit better idea of what's going on and what's needed, and should help me do a little bit more research on my own, too, so that I can let the idea percolate a little before I plunge. :) As I said, XP is new territory for me, as well, so I've got some learning to do on both sides of the OS fence. In the words of the Governor of some state or another (I forget which), I'll be back. - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 14:10:00 up 5:29, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.25, 0.16 - -- Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ He who laughs, lasts. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA1eIn+qbiwggubBwRAqDnAJ0cicUvKd2cg2Hd28i/KE8XT4JTAQCghOl6 oLCKIWlcqsHczN4ghO8VCA8= =w5LR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Hay-ulp! :-) Borked resume, cannot complete boot
Okay, keep Newbie in mind here, okay? :-) Somehow, I threw my laptop running Mandrake (Cooker 10.1, but I don't think that matters in this case) into resume mode; now, it's consistently hanging when it tries to resume (at Waiting for DMAs to settle down... and will go no further. Again, newbie here ... can someone give me a dumbed-down walk-through of what I need to do to get past the resume (ignoring it entirely, if possible) ... can I somehow change the boot options to remove the resume... before boot (running Lilo)? If so, how? TIA ... get me out of Windows. :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Follow-up (WAS: Re: [newbie] Hay-ulp! :-) Borked resume, cannot complete boot)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck MATTSEN wrote: | Okay, keep Newbie in mind here, okay? :-) | | Somehow, I threw my laptop running Mandrake (Cooker 10.1, but I don't | think that matters in this case) into resume mode; now, it's | consistently hanging when it tries to resume (at Waiting for DMAs to | settle down... and will go no further. | | Again, newbie here ... can someone give me a dumbed-down walk-through of | what I need to do to get past the resume (ignoring it entirely, if | possible) ... can I somehow change the boot options to remove the | resume... before boot (running Lilo)? If so, how? | | TIA ... get me out of Windows. :-) Okay, I managed to get myself /out/ of my panic state and back /into/ Mandrake after a little more Google'ing and escape then 263-9 noresume at the lilo prompt. So far so good ... Question, though ... will this have borked my swap partition in any way? I saw a FAILED scroll by regarding swap with this boot. - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 11:50:00 up 2 min, 1 user, load average: 0.89, 0.54, 0.21 - -- Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Freedom is doing what you like, happiness liking what you do. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA1G/t+qbiwggubBwRAgrHAJ0Q9VBHjTzN/xO6KA7oMotC8N65/gCcCTbu oUzzh5O5ZzqlvDCPvrf4ou0= =GLBD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: Follow-up (WAS: Re: [newbie] Hay-ulp! :-) Borked resume, cannot complete boot)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dick Gevers wrote: |Okay, I managed to get myself /out/ of my panic state and back /into/ |Mandrake after a little more Google'ing and escape then 263-9 |noresume at the lilo prompt. So far so good ... | |Question, though ... will this have borked my swap partition in any |way? | | | Very unlikely. If it cannot find your swap partition - as you reported - | nothing bad could be written to it. In any case it will be overwritten soon | enough. You might want to check with diskdrake, but I don`t see any need. | | |I saw a FAILED scroll by regarding swap with this boot. | | | Look in dmesg, bootlog and/or syslog. Thanks ... it became apparent that the boot hang (or need to noresume boot) was persistent; I went into MCC and reformatted the swap partition. All /appears/ well. To answer the unasked question previously posed as an opinion :-), this newbie runs Cooker because I ended up here by accident back around the time of The Great Mirror Reshuffling of 2004. Since nothing critical is run on, or stored on, this install, I stuck around because I figured I'd learn even faster than relaxing with one of the commonly dubbed stable releases. And, so far, that has been true, I think. Though, if the listmembers in general feel no questions should be asked by a Cooker user, I certainly wouldn't fight that consensus. Just let me know, y'all, okay? - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 13:45:00 up 1:12, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00 - -- Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ There is no man so blind as he who will not see. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA1Iqw+qbiwggubBwRAmE7AJwPOxt8N5LVRQN8rCYh5xRq0yveOQCcCrnd 0kPg+OOXsbNGSiX4bns0olk= =4nlT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hay-ulp! :-) Borked resume, cannot complete boot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Erylon Hines wrote: | Although newbie should probably not be using Cooker, Cooker questions pop up | all the time. And, there are certainly people on newbie that are really, | truly, EXPERT (and some of them run Cooker). Yeah, I explained elsewhere in this thread how I woke up one day and found I wasn't in Kansas any longer. LOL. It hasn't been a bad experience at all, though I admit that I'm a bit lost when I find myself tossed to a command line or if some glitch arises during boot, as did today. I ended up sorting it out, though. Thanks. | Ask away--someone can probably help. And welcome, the people on this list | really try to help. I've been following it on and off for years, and people | leave and return, just like me (only a lot of them are far more | knowledgeable). IMO, Mandrake newbie is really a community (wipes a tear). | I know that without this list, I would still have some Windows machines. It's a great list, and I've been lurking for the most part -- except for a post here and there -- for a few months, since installing 9.2 to begin with. With a notable exception or two (which is trivial, considering the list volume), very helpful, very friendly and very knowledgeable. Thanks again. - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 15:05:00 up 2:32, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.12, 0.10 - -- Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. - Nietzsche -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFA1J4t+qbiwggubBwRAsuiAJ0fxJZGKdz96QWkd/MOrwqn/czstACfRNiy QmRgnBS8/bmwwGG5irrnGBo= =K/k1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Problem with fortunes, .signature and/or crontab
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Due to an incompatibility between Mozilla Thunderbird's Enigmail encryption extension and the TagZilla tagline extension, I'm dropping TagZilla and going back to using the fortune method. As you can see by the sig (below), there's no fortune currently displaying, and that confuses the heck out of me. I've put my taglines into a %-delimeted file in /usr/share/games/fortunes as a file called myquotes, and have run strfile myquotes to generate the .dat file. That seems fine, near as I can tell. I've got Kcron setup to generate a new .signature file every 5 minutes (I want to change that, too, but need to figure out what else is wrong first) and, indeed, if I manually run now with Kcron I get a valid tagline appended to my sig. Each time I run it manually it works just fine. However, after the 5-minute period is up, the signature generated is like the one below (i.e., minus the tagline itself). Maybe I'm just too tired, but I don't see what's wrong here. Here's my file to generate the .signature file for Thunderbird: ~ #bin bash ~ echo -- /home/chuck/.signature ~ echo Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 | /home/chuck/.signature ~ echo `cat /etc/mandrake-release` kernel `uname -r` /home/chuck/.signature ~ echo `uptime` /home/chuck/.signature ~ echo/home/chuck/.signature ~ echo Random Thought/Quote For This Message: /home/chuck/.signature ~ echo `fortune /usr/share/games/fortunes/myquotes` /home/chuck/.signature If there were something wrong with my Kcron setup, I could see it /not/ changing, but why would it suddenly go blank after the first instance of a tagline until manually fired up again? Anyone? TIA. - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 00:15:00 up 10:26, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.21, 0.18 Random Thought/Quote For This Message: -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAz9nc+qbiwggubBwRAqelAJwIczRie+2R5upfKDT/2VoEQ1u4MACeIAnR SyOSHQ+BkasQU0O3yNiS2fc= =rdsb -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird closes itself
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carroll Grigsby wrote: | Have you observed this behavior with other OE-generated emails? I've only noticed it on the one e-mail, and that's out of probably 20,000 or so incoming messages, a good share of which had to be composed by OE. I didn't keep the original, crashing message, but just looked at it raw in the archives and the only thing that stands out to me, still, is the header: Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 I don't know enough about charsets to know if that's a standard one or not (though a /very/ quick Google search would seem to indicate that it's Arabic), but it caught my eye. Of course, I tend to skim headers and delete incoming mail wholesale if the subject doesn't interest me, so it's possible that there have been others. | FWIW, I've had no problems with any of his emails in Evolution, MozillaMail or | KMail. Anything at the TBird site? Haven't gotten that far yet (one instance wasn't sufficient for me to tackle a search of the forums there, which I find rather awkward), and wouldn't even have mentioned it except in response as a Hey, me, too! to Amy's query. :-) - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 11:25:00 up 18:30, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.10 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ It's always darkest just before it gets pitch black. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAzIJm+qbiwggubBwRAqDoAJ9c+pSTwzChGGJXuh9f1Y1Nl+U90ACdFuY9 28ColrUVEViLYkMuLR/4zWs= =P62f -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Undelivered mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johan Sch wrote: | Hi List, | been a while now getting this below. | Funny my mail gets posted , but this annoying message. | Kindly, any way to stop/fix/shoot or whatever this please. Lots of discussion on this in the archives (comes up every couple of days, it seems) ... easiest thing to do is to filter it to the trash. - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 13:00:00 up 20:05, 0 users, load average: 0.02, 0.08, 0.08 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Experience is a comb that nature gives us when we are bald. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAzJZm+qbiwggubBwRAu2XAJ9NYWFGQRVa6mYyK9D3SdcYp2IpAACffhwI LUEXKxQPWRM0yvNLGRzCqz0= =qMso -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Slightly large whinge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Kuhn wrote: | KDE's website all | but vanished (surf to www.kde.com and see what I mean). Not that I disagree with much of the rest of your self-described rant, but what's wrong with going to www.kde.org ?? - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 19:35:00 up 1 day, 2:40, 0 users, load average: 0.64, 0.22, 0.13 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ Conformity obstructs progress. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAzPMj+qbiwggubBwRAuxgAJ0XxwvzJx2/JDudUX3ZLMcMhaM4ZwCaAzsW QVmgTcudVYpAEvZbzbvcqAs= =C6Tw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Slightly large whinge
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Kuhn wrote: | On Mon, 2004-06-14 at 10:36, Chuck MATTSEN wrote: |Not that I disagree with much of the rest of your self-described rant, |but what's wrong with going to www.kde.org ?? | | Nothing, really - but still, all in all, the original site(s) aren't | what they're supposed to be - what a nice eye opener for a new KDE | user going to kde.com or apps.kde.com and finding that page? What would | your first impression be? Perhaps my ignorance is showing here ... was whatever was at the .com domain address ever really /the/ KDE page? But, as I said, I don't disagree with the spirit of what you said in your orginial post, not at all. - -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 19:45:00 up 1 day, 2:50, 0 users, load average: 0.15, 0.19, 0.13 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: ~ All things change; nothing is extinguished. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAzPXI+qbiwggubBwRAil/AJ9fEjvOm1sG1F6RPSjPHRXSBFaHoACbBxMA CibpfrhZ1p4JufDFVnsD47I= =RlCv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird closes itself
Amy wrote: To start, I'm running Thunderbird 0.6. I have all the mail from this list viewing threaded. I have found that when I open certain emails from the list, Thunderbird just up and closes itself. I've noticed the following things about all of the emails: They're always the start of a thread, they're always from OOzy. However, I've also noticed that not all emails that are the start of a thread from OOzy make Thunderbird close. Funny you should mention that, as I had the same problem today, and on messages from the same party. With the preview pane enabled, clicking on the message would immediately shut down TB. Since I can't open these emails at all, I can't see if there's anything about them that could be causing a problem with Thunderbird, so I don't know if there's a solution available to fix it. The two most recent emails which cause this problem for me at the ones titled [newbie][HAB] 40 GB USB Drive and [newbie] What is Cooker?. I don't recall now which message/thread it was, but it was from today. You can, of course, turn off the preview pane and then select the message and chose View Source ... I didn't have much time, but just for the heck of it I did that before deleting the message and IIRC the only thing that stood out to me in a quick scan of the headers was there was an odd (to me) charset defined there. I didn't have the time to research it further (and noted that none of the respondents in the thread mentioned any problem at the time, so I assumed it was just me :-) If any one has any ideas what's causing this problem, and/or has any suggestions on how I can stop it from happening anymore, other than switching mail clients because I love Thunderbird, I'd greatly appreciate it. Not sure if it's the charset or something else, but you could /try/ filtering on that header and sending those e-mails to an Unsafe folder or something, then view those in the folder with the preview pane off. Maybe? -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 21:15:00 up 4:20, 0 users, load average: 0.08, 0.21, 0.17 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Armed men are citizens; unarmed men are subjects. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderbird closes itself
Amy wrote: Well, once I found the view message source option, I poked my nose into the messages that had crashed me, and the ones that hadn't. All of the emails that I still had which crashed me said in the headers that they came from Outlook Express. All of the ones that worked fine for me said they came from Ximian. So I suppose the problem comes down to Outlook Express sucking. [...snip...] I suppose that means one of three things: A whole lot more than three, one would suppose. :-) 1) Suck it up, and deal with it. So what if Thunderbird closes on me once in a while, it runs perfectly fine when I restart it, and it takes but a second to restart it. True; TB seems to be rather resilient in that regard. 2) Convince OOzy to stop using Outlook Express, however there may be a very good reason for the use of said evilness, like accessing email from a computer one is not allowed to install things on. Frankly, I think the notion that Outlook Express /per se/ is at fault is a spurious one, though we all know OE users do hideous things like [ahem] top post ... can you /imagine/?? shudder. Possibly some setting /in/ that person's OE that's causing the incompatibility/crash ... I would think that more likely. 3) Take over the world and remove all Microsoft products by force. But I haven't gotten around to taking over the world yet, and that would be too much work. That would make you just as bad as M$ if you did, anyway, so not a good option (for the rest of us ;-) Option one seems the best bet for me right now. Please let me know if anyone else has any ideas. Thanks! Well, I'm not anyone else, but assuming you're willing to accept another idea from the same tired ol' source, how about this? ... In TB, under Tools | Options | Fonts, then the Languages section, there is an option to define the character sets (Western, or whatever), and then to apply them to all messages. Now, if it /is/ a matter of some oddball character set being chosen by the sender, wouldn't that eliminate the problem, if TB ignored it and displayed it in the way you chose? Of course, (1) I may be misunderstanding what's going on or (2) how that option actually works, or even (3) the option may not actually work at all [yet], much as the option to ignore all incoming read receipt requests hasn't worked for me. But trying it might be easier than going for world domination. Chuck MATTSEN wrote: Amy wrote: To start, I'm running Thunderbird 0.6. I have all the mail from this list viewing threaded. I have found that when I open certain emails from the list, Thunderbird just up and closes itself. I've noticed the following things about all of the emails: They're always the start of a thread, they're always from OOzy. However, I've also noticed that not all emails that are the start of a thread from OOzy make Thunderbird close. Funny you should mention that, as I had the same problem today, and on messages from the same party. With the preview pane enabled, clicking on the message would immediately shut down TB. Since I can't open these emails at all, I can't see if there's anything about them that could be causing a problem with Thunderbird, so I don't know if there's a solution available to fix it. The two most recent emails which cause this problem for me at the ones titled [newbie][HAB] 40 GB USB Drive and [newbie] What is Cooker?. I don't recall now which message/thread it was, but it was from today. You can, of course, turn off the preview pane and then select the message and chose View Source ... I didn't have much time, but just for the heck of it I did that before deleting the message and IIRC the only thing that stood out to me in a quick scan of the headers was there was an odd (to me) charset defined there. I didn't have the time to research it further (and noted that none of the respondents in the thread mentioned any problem at the time, so I assumed it was just me :-) If any one has any ideas what's causing this problem, and/or has any suggestions on how I can stop it from happening anymore, other than switching mail clients because I love Thunderbird, I'd greatly appreciate it. Not sure if it's the charset or something else, but you could /try/ filtering on that header and sending those e-mails to an Unsafe folder or something, then view those in the folder with the preview pane off. Maybe? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 23:35:00 up 6:40, 0 users, load average: 0.03, 0.08, 0.09 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Armed men are citizens; unarmed men
Re: [newbie] laptop won't shut down completley
Dennis Myers wrote: On Thursday 03 June 2004 06:10 pm, Walt Frampus wrote: I have a Compaq Presario 3077wm duel booting winxp and Mandrake 10 official. When I went to shut it down, everything did so normally. A while later, I noticed a light on the laptop was lit and realized that Mandrake rebooted again so I shut it down a second time. I checked it a while later and found the screen blank but when I hit the enter button, mandrake was still running. I had to reboot into windows (which I never use) to get the laptop to shut down. I turned off all the power controls and still have the problem. My desktop shuts down with no problem. Anyone else having this problem? Is it just a version 10 problem? I didn't have this problem with 9.2. Walt I have a Presario 1700T which will go to power down and sit. I have to hold the button down for 4 secs to power off. I believe it is a function of the mobo and you may have to disable ACPI or APM. Not sure, what about anyone else? Dennis M. Linux user #180842 No problems with shutdown here (now, anyway, though there were before the 2.6.x series of kernels) running 10CE (now 10.1 Cooker) on this Compaq Presario 2175US. Previously, I'd sit at Power Down, as well. Kernel is 2.6.3-9 (though it worked with earlier in the 2.6 series, too), and have Enable ACPI and Force No Local APIC (nolapic in lilo) checked in the boot loader GUI. (If that works for you with respect to shutdown, maybe you can figure out how to get my 3D/OpenGL running ... or a functional Shockwave plug-in for my Mozilla Firefox. :-) Those are _my_ annoyances right now. LOL.) :) -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 18:30:00 up 1:58, 2 users, load average: 0.98, 0.34, 0.17 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first and the lesson afterward. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] No sound/artsd crash - don't know where to begin (More Info)
Chuck MATTSEN wrote: Have had no problems with sound throughout the day, receiving system notifications, listening to streaming audio off and on, etc. Just tried opening up xmms via Streamtuner, and received a crash notification: The application Sounderserver (artsd) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV) The backtrace is below (not that I understand a bit of it, of course)... Don't know where to begin troubleshooting this. (Oddly, the .wav notification for new mail continues to work, but xmms seems shot, and most other system sounds seem to be unavailable.) Any pointers/first steps appreciated. TIA Using host libthread_db library /lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1. [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 1083928512 (LWP 16173)] 0xe410 in ?? () #0 0xe410 in ?? () #1 0xb508 in ?? () #2 0x in ?? () #3 0x in ?? () #4 0x40664be3 in __waitpid_nocancel () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 #5 0x0805f7a2 in Arts::CrashHandler::defaultCrashHandler (sig=11) at crashhandler.cc:215 #6 0x40793718 in killpg () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #7 0x401740bf in Arts::AudioIOALSA::open (this=) at audioioalsa9.cc:144 #8 0x401672ed in Arts::AudioSubSystem::open (this=) at audiosubsys.cc:361 #9 0x40167222 in Arts::AudioSubSystem::check (this=) at audiosubsys.cc:341 #10 0x0805ea8d in main (argc=0, argv=0xb7f4) at artsd.cc:362 I've been able to get xmms running again by switching from alsa to oss, and switching to a different xmms output plugin. (Trial and error.) However ... except for the new mail sound, KDE sound settings crash if left at Autodetect or alsa, and all other system-wide sound notifications seem to be dead, so am still in a quandry and would appreciate any input. thx. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 01:20:00 up 53 min, 1 user, load average: 0.47, 0.49, 0.38 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Success is just a matter of luck. Ask any failure. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] No sound/artsd crash - don't know where to begin
Thomas Wilkowski wrote: I beliee that I can help or at point you in the right direction. First, it sounds to me as if you are using the oss driver for your sound card. That is ok but IMHO the alsa version is far superior. You can verify which driver you use by running harddrake from the control center, tab to sound card and run config. That's the deal ... alsa /was/ running before, and is now crashing consistently. Config shows ALSA snd-ali5451 ... Next, verify that artsd, what controls the sound in the KDE desktop is set to use the same driver as you: eith ALSA or OSS. Go to configure desktop, look and feel, sound, sound system, tab hardware. Very intuitive when you get there. Changing from OSS to either Autodetect or ALSA and applying brings up crash as before. Next, and this is where I think your system got boinked, make sure that XMMS has the plug-in that supports the driver your sound card is using. Make sure that it is enabled and that all three: sound card, artsd, xmms are all set to use the same audio device and driver. The odd thing is that xmms has been working all along, out of the box if you will, so I don't even know what it was set at before, since I didn't have to dink around with it. Currently, it will play if I select the OSS driver from within xmms plugins, but the System Notification sounds are borked/absent (except for new mail, it would seem). Finally, to put your system back in order--Or perhaps you could start here--open konqueror and point your browser to /home/your_folder_name/.kde/share/config (the dot in front of .kde is significant. Doted folders are hidden files) Once there open a file called knotifyrc, without quotes of course. It will read something like this: Misc Exrternal player= LastConfiguredApp=KDE. Use external player=false [StartProgress] Arts Init=true Knotify Init=true Use Arts=true Focus on the second stanza. It should read like the above. If it is different change the false to true. Second stanza is the key don't worry about the first. Arts Init and Use Arts both showed false; however, changing to true simply causes the KNotify crash to occur with startup/login. KNotify crashed while [sic] instantiating KNotify. Do you want to try again or disable aRts sound output? Trying again means crashing again. If I look in Gnome sound settings it comes up saying that artsd is suspended. Again, I'm totally at a loss at this kind of thing, and longing for the days of wizards and point and click, I must confess. I had much more free time then. :-) Thanks, though. Hope this helps and good luck. tsw */Chuck MATTSEN [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Have had no problems with sound throughout the day, receiving system notifications, listening to streaming audio off and on, etc. Just tried opening up xmms via Streamtuner, and received a crash notification: The application Sounderserver (artsd) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV) The backtrace is below (not that I understand a bit of it, of course)... Don't know where to begin troubleshooting this. (Oddly, the .wav notification for new mail continues to work, but xmms seems shot, and most other system sounds seem to be unavailable.) Any pointers/first steps appreciated. TIA Using host libthread_db library /lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1. [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 1083928512 (LWP 16173)] 0xe410 in ?? () #0 0xe410 in ?? () #1 0xb508 in ?? () #2 0x in ?? () #3 0x in ?? () #4 0x40664be3 in __waitpid_nocancel () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 #5 0x0805f7a2 in Arts::CrashHandler::defaultCrashHandler (sig=11) at crashhandler.cc:215 #6 0x40793718 in killpg () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #7 0x401740bf in Arts::AudioIOALSA::open (this=) at audioioalsa9.cc:144 #8 0x401672ed in Arts::AudioSubSystem::open (this=) at audiosubsys.cc:361 #9 0x40167222 in Arts::AudioSubSystem::check (this=) at audiosubsys.cc:341 #10 0x0805ea8d in main (argc=0, argv=0xb7f4) at artsd.cc:362 -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 00:35:00 up 8 min, 2 users, load average: 0.39, 0.45, 0.27 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: A bore is a man who, when asked how he is, tells you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger http://messenger.yahoo.com/ -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel
Re: [newbie] No sound/artsd crash - don't know where to begin
Thomas Wilkowski wrote: Very odd. Indeed. And before anyone wastes any more time on this on my account, I'm looking into the possibility that this is the result of an errant update today ... scanning Bugzilla, I see another user with a similar problem and backtrace. So, if that's the case, my apologies. It seemed to come out of the blue this evening, though, as it had been working beautifully all day, so the timing of it made me think something had suddenly gone awry or I'd borked something in my stumbling around. :-\ That, of course, is still a possibility, but I'm leaning toward the errant update theory now, pending verification/a fix. Appreciate the time taken ... -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 02:30:01 up 2:03, 1 user, load average: 1.11, 1.22, 0.98 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Did I miss anything?
Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Monday 31 May 2004 20:36, Lanman wrote: So,What have I missed? Welcome home, Lanman. Please tell us where you've been : CP/M ? , DOS ? , Windows ? , OS/2 ? , Mac ? , AmigaOS ? . -- Just in case you are contagious. I heard he pulled his VIC-20 out of the closet and fired the sucker up. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 13:50:00 up 6:21, 1 user, load average: 0.40, 0.32, 0.23 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Instead of trying to build newer and bigger weapons of destruction, we should be thinking about getting more use out of the ones we already have. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[OT] Re: [newbie] Did I miss anything?
frankieh wrote: Hey, don't knock the Vic-20, I loved my old commodore, one of the first ever PC's I had.. Not knocking it at all ... just waxing a tad nostaligic. :-) It still amazes me how much fun I had with mine way back when (yes, even spending hour after hour typing in page after page of code from the monthly magazine so that I could play some lame version of Breakout on the sucker (not to mention the hours debugging it of typos, etc.). But then, I was quite happy at the time with DOS and BBS'es on my old 286 with it's 20MB hard drive and 2400 modem, too. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 14:45:00 up 7:16, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.45, 0.38 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: The right to be left alone is the root of all freedom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] No sound/artsd crash - don't know where to begin
Have had no problems with sound throughout the day, receiving system notifications, listening to streaming audio off and on, etc. Just tried opening up xmms via Streamtuner, and received a crash notification: The application Sounderserver (artsd) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV) The backtrace is below (not that I understand a bit of it, of course)... Don't know where to begin troubleshooting this. (Oddly, the .wav notification for new mail continues to work, but xmms seems shot, and most other system sounds seem to be unavailable.) Any pointers/first steps appreciated. TIA Using host libthread_db library /lib/tls/libthread_db.so.1. [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 1083928512 (LWP 16173)] 0xe410 in ?? () #0 0xe410 in ?? () #1 0xb508 in ?? () #2 0x in ?? () #3 0x in ?? () #4 0x40664be3 in __waitpid_nocancel () from /lib/tls/libpthread.so.0 #5 0x0805f7a2 in Arts::CrashHandler::defaultCrashHandler (sig=11) at crashhandler.cc:215 #6 0x40793718 in killpg () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6 #7 0x401740bf in Arts::AudioIOALSA::open (this=) at audioioalsa9.cc:144 #8 0x401672ed in Arts::AudioSubSystem::open (this=) at audiosubsys.cc:361 #9 0x40167222 in Arts::AudioSubSystem::check (this=) at audiosubsys.cc:341 #10 0x0805ea8d in main (argc=0, argv=0xb7f4) at artsd.cc:362 -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 00:35:00 up 8 min, 2 users, load average: 0.39, 0.45, 0.27 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: A bore is a man who, when asked how he is, tells you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] OT: annoying spam filters
Asa Rossoff wrote: My ISP's mail server will refuse to deliver messages with more than I think 20 BCCs... so here's another simple possibility: Setup a Yahoo Mailing List, and use that. I guess it depends upon the e-mail program and how it handles BCCs ... I'm thinking that Pegasus sent them as individual messages, but I may be wrong. But, you're right, some ISPs would probably end up stopping such a send with either the To: or Bcc: method otherwise. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 21:00:00 up 2:35, 1 user, load average: 0.30, 0.15, 0.14 Random Thought/Quote for this Message: Silence is evidence of a superb command of the language. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10
On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 11:57 -0500, Chuck MATTSEN wrote: On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 17:29 +0100, Phlip J Scott wrote: Hi all just installed man 10 on 3 cd`s everything went smoothly untill reboot. When it boots up it gets to looking for new hardware and will go no further just hangs. Any help on this would be greatly recieved. Try disabling USB in your BIOS and see if that will let you boot. And then stop whatever it is you've got going that's sending your message repeatedly (assuming it's not the list server hiccuping) :-) ... three copies and counting. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 11:58:34 up 12 min, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.25, 0.22 Run away from what you want; it follows. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] FreeCell
On Sun, 2004-05-09 at 01:12 -0400, Marc Lijour wrote: What about FreeCell (the card game)? Do you know if it has been removed? Please change your Reply To settings so that they allow responses to go to the list rather than privately. (Newbie list netiquette, blah, blah, yadda, yadda ...) Thx. I didn't see any earlier posts in this thread/under this subject (where there any?) so there's no context to go on :-), but if you're asking if Free Cell is available in Mandrake, yes, PySOL includes at least one Free Cell variant. I don't recall offhand if PySOL is part of the standard games install or not, but readily available nonetheless. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-9mdk 00:26:23 up 1 day, 14:40, 1 user, load average: 0.21, 0.18, 0.21 Preserve the old, but know the new Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] problems with Kontact mail
On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 23:29 -0700, Michael Tienhaara wrote: Just installed Mandrake 10 this weekend. Ximian Evolution works fine...I can send and receive mail from my dial-up ISP. However, Kontact is not working correctly. With Kontact I receive mail but all sent mail sits in the outbox. I'm assuming something is not configured correctly. I've gone into settings and have tried everything I can think of but the problem remains. I'm sure that I'm overlooking the obvious, but, after hours of fooling with the settings, I have not idea what that might be. Thanks, Michael If you find out how to make yours work, please let me know (assuming we have the same problem here). I had been consistently receiving an error of: Sending failed: Unknown error Unexpected server response to EHLO command. The server responded: Unknown command The message will stay in the 'outbox' folder until you either fix the problem (e.g. a broken address) or remove the message from the 'outbox' folder. The following transport protocol was used: ACS ... when attempting to use Kontact (though I //believe// KMail had worked for me earlier). Same error? Or something different? I strongly suspect this is a configuration/communication problem having to do with how my ISP's SMTP is set up, but haven't followed up with them and have remained with Evolution for now, and my attempts to narrow it down on my own have just confused me more. :-) -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 13:36:35 up 1:57, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Better to understand little than misunderstand a lot. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] problems with Kontact mail
On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 20:55 +0200, Paul wrote: Op Sun, 02 May 2004 13:42:07 -0500 schreef Chuck MATTSEN: Sending failed: Unknown error Unexpected server response to EHLO command. Did you by chance configure an ESMTP server instead of an SMTP server? Nah, I'm just trying to connection in very vanilla fashion to my ISP's server for sending mail. No configuration on this end other than putting in the server address. (Very rural area, and tech support not particularly readily available at ISP, or knowledgeable [either :-)], but my only route for DSL access.) Same configuration used to successfully send and receive mail via this ISP in Evolution, Pegasus, Becky!, Outlook, Outlook Express, etc., but something in Kontact causes the send process to bork with that error message. Not a biggie, but thought I'd check with the OP since they'd brought the same (or similar difficulty) up again. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 14:02:04 up 2:22, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Beware of what you ask of the Gods, for they may grant it. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mozilla v1.6
On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 12:13 +0100, John Richard Smith wrote: I cannot seem to find the settings to turn those silly smilling faces off, can someone remind me ? Don't have 1.6 in front of me but, assuming it hasn't moved for 1.7x, try going to: Edit | Preferences | Mail Newsgroups | Message Display and uncheck Display emoticons as graphics. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 06:20:05 up 23:11, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.09, 0.13 We are what we do, not what we say. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] write access to NTFS partitions
On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 05:33 -0700, David Lasry wrote: Hi all, I am new to this mailing list. I run Mandrake 10 and have complete read access to all my NTFS partitions. I was wondering how i can set it up so that i have write access as well. Any help is welcome The conventional wisdom seems to be that it shouldn't be attempted, as it's not well enough supported yet? and is rather risky. If you need to read and write data from both Windows and Linux, better to set up a shared FAT partition for doing so. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 07:59:11 up 50 min, 1 user, load average: 0.29, 0.13, 0.07 Often the test of courage is not to die but to live. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Screen Grabbing
On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 18:25 -0400, Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 30 April 2004 06:02 pm, Lexx wrote: How can I screengrab? In Windoze I print screen and then copy the contents of the clipboard into paint How would I do something similar in Mandrake, do I have to use something like Gimp, or is there a paint equivalent? Try ksnapshot. It should be installed. ... and, if I'm not mistaken, if it's installed you need merely hit the prt scr button to invoke it. -- Chuck MATTSEN / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 17:33:50 up 10:24, 1 user, load average: 0.20, 0.12, 0.09 Its hard to be graceful getting off your high horse. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Today's cooker updates and KDE 3.2.1 (bye bye)
Well, somehow in the massive updates of today after cooker mirrors came alive again, I've lost KDE ... not critical, as I've access to everything, but KDE itself seems to have gone missing. Even did an install of the new 3.2.1 via MCC, but it doesn't seem to have taken. I watched a few hundred MB install, but the same files still show as uninstalled on a re-visit to MCC, and KDE is still not available for me as a DM. Odd. Not sure where to head from here on the troubleshooting trail (other than to get some sleep at this point :-) In any case, the mirrors are coming back up (most are at this point, I think), and there are a ton of updates out there, of course ... caution, though. Well, if nothing else I get to have 10.1 in the sig ... that switched automagically. :-\ -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 00:57:32 up 11 min, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.27, 0.20 The absent are always at fault. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Today's cooker updates and KDE 3.2.1 (bye bye)
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 08:55, Tom Brinkman wrote: So far nobody's reported (cooker list) KDE failure. I found I needed to use several cooker mirrors simultaneously to get all the required Gnome update files. I have subsequently seen a couple of rpmdrake bugzilla reports that would seem to be addressing the behavior I saw (updates downloaded but not installed, able to install manually). In any case, I seem to be fully operational and back to normal now, though another glitch or two wouldn't surprise me. :) Thx. -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 13:02:41 up 1:50, 0 users, load average: 0.86, 0.76, 0.44 To live in the hearts we leave behind, is not to die. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Rpmdrake bug and question re running 10.1 cooker
Well, as it turns out my botched KDE (and other updates) was due to that rpmdrake bug (Bugzilla 9411) ... packages were downloading but not installing, and remaining in /var/cache/urpmi/rpms. The bad news is that it threw my system into a state of disarray for awhile (particularly if, like me, you use KDE 99% of the time :-) and required some manual labor to get things back to normal. The good news is two-fold: (1) that it gave me an opportunity to find, download and apply a patch from Bugzilla (which //did// fix the problem, and left me feeling warm, fuzzy and accomplished all over), and (2) that it required some work to get things going again this morning but I //could// get them going -- something I doubt would have been possible on the Windows side of things without major hassles and/or reinstall. So, here's my question ... I am, by default, now running cooker 10.1 because of the updates from last night (the communication surrounding the mirrors, directory structures and update procedures being the subject of a different thread, not this one g). Given that I know cooker is the bleeding edge and not for a production machine (this one isn't), would it now make sense for me to simply remain with cooker, at least for awhile? If I were to do so, would I be able to continue updating using the cooker mirrors as I've been doing these past weeks with the 10CE updates, or would it require a different procedure(s) as 10.1 continues to diverge from 10.0, and onward? (I've seen mention of mirroring the directory structure, etc., locally, I think, and don't quite understand that concept, nor am I sure I would be able to do so.) For those more-than-newbies who have experience with running previous cooker versions, //how// volatile is it, i.e., are problems which occur generally annoyances from which one may recover after another update cycle or two, or are they more-critical show-stoppers which would render one's system useless and force a reinstall? If I //weren't// to stay on the cooker path, should I now expect problems with my slightly cooker current install (with its 10.1 designation) with respect to trying to stay current with 10.0 updates (I suspect so?), or am I pretty much stuck with the system as is until 10.1 comes out and/or I do a reinstall, or ...? Hope you get the gist of what I'm asking, probably in a more or less bass ackwards way here ... I think I have a grasp of //some// of the concepts and structures involved here, but not all, certainly, so I need clarification up the proverbial wazoo before I'm comfortable with a particular course of action. TIA -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 20:47:33 up 5:46, 0 users, load average: 0.54, 0.22, 0.16 No one should ever see how laws and sausages are made. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 10 or cooker?
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 10:18, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Ok - so that being said, has anyone had any farts doing an upgrade of 10CE over the top of either 9.1 or 9.2? These CD's are burning a hole in my bench and I'm jones-ing to see this. I upgraded to 10CE over 9.2 with virtually no farts ... only problems I recall were flatulent (ugly) fonts upon first boot (manually did some switching around/assigning of fonts), and some of my desktop icons (those I had added) were broken (just recreated them). That was about it. Oh, xmms would crash upon attempting to play an .mp3, but that was fixed in the first round of updates for me. (There will be a //ton// of updates, so be prepared for a long update session after install.) -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 10:56:46 up 1:42, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.00 The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Re: OpenGL/Mesa broken? -- SOLVED
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 17:33, Jerry wrote: On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:12:42 -0600 Chuck Mattsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My messages sent over the past 24-36 hours have not made the list, as far as I can tell, so this may not, either. :-) But, in case the mail server eventually gets the enema it apparently needs, I should report that the problem below has been solved. Not sure what caused the problem/change in the first place, but I needed to go into the X Server settings within Mandrake Control Center and reselect the proper hardware (Radeon), as well as enable 3D. After a log-off and log-on, all is well. where did you enable 3d? I've been having a problem with mine as well. I went into mcc / hardware / Graphical server and chose raedon but I didn't see where to enable 3d. It seems to be working a little better but not quite up to snuff. In 9.2 I could run the screensaver Atlantis, for example, quite smoothly. On 10 it is kind of choppy and flashes. When I said I enabled it, I didn't mean I made it work well. :-) Somehow, the settings had defaulted to the plain Radeon selection, and I needed to select one of the settings below that one, and in the process enabled 3D, which had been totally disabled (why, I don't know) for some reason. 3D on this laptop is slow at best, but without it enabled there's nothing at all. As to how to tweak it to perform well, I've not taken a look at that yet. At the moment, I'm struggling with getting things straightened out after the latest round of cooker updates, in which KDE went to 3.2.1. and Gnome went up a version, etc., so much to get resorted out. :-) __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrakelinux release 10.1 (Cooker) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 00:35:37 up 2:27, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 A pessimist complains about the noise when opportunity knocks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Instant Messaging with MSN
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 09:36, Katinka Peter wrote: As most of my friends are using MSN Messenger, I`ve tried to use the libmsn.so plugin in Gaim and a hotmail account to communicate with them. Whenever I try to sign on to this account in Gnaim using the MSN protocol, I get the message [EMAIL PROTECTED] was unable to sign on: Protocol not supported. I`d be grateful for any suggestions. kopete? :-) -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 09:39:48 up 21:32, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.15, 0.10 Diogenes is still searching. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [ml] [newbie] Instant Messaging with MSN
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 09:42, Dave Ashmore wrote: I was told that the application Kopete will work but I have not tried it. Dave Ashmore It does, and quite nicely (along with AIM, Yahoo and ICQ); it's not as pretty as Gaim, but I started using it because of the problem between Gaim and Yahoo (which, I understand, was just fixed with the 0.76? release), and it's served me well so far. -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 09:40:41 up 21:32, 1 user, load average: 0.62, 0.25, 0.13 Writing about music is like dancing about architecture. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] foo, master foo
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 09:57, Thujan wrote: Hi Everybody, I tried to search with google that what is often repeated foo? And I got even more confused when I red about master foo? http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/ Can somebody explain what these terms means, foo, foo bar, master foo? Instead of foo bar, look up fubar, which was the original acronym. :-) If that doesn't yield results, then obviously it's SNAFU. :-) -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 10:00:30 up 21:52, 1 user, load average: 0.15, 0.28, 0.26 Criticism comes easier than craftsmanship. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Instant Messaging with MSN
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 13:40, Job Evers wrote: Are you using the most recent version of Gaim? If not I would upgrade and see what happens. IIRC, the 0.76 version of Gaim which was just released is packaged for Mandrake and sitting in the cooker queue, for whenever that gets freed up again ... Monday? -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 13:11:41 up 1 day, 1:03, 1 user, load average: 0.55, 0.32, 0.15 Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. -- John F. Kennedy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Re: OpenGL/Mesa broken? -- SOLVED
My messages sent over the past 24-36 hours have not made the list, as far as I can tell, so this may not, either. :-) But, in case the mail server eventually gets the enema it apparently needs, I should report that the problem below has been solved. Not sure what caused the problem/change in the first place, but I needed to go into the X Server settings within Mandrake Control Center and reselect the proper hardware (Radeon), as well as enable 3D. After a log-off and log-on, all is well. On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 21:26, Chuck Mattsen wrote: Okay, resending, as it's been a good 6+ hours or so and I think the original went pffft ... see below. Thx. On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 15:32, Chuck Mattsen wrote: May be something I did ... may be something that broke in a recent cooker update ... may be something else. I dunno. Apologies if this has been discussed recently (I /thought/ I'd seen a similar post, but not sure where, and a search isn't turning it up for me). Just noticed today that my OpenGL screensavers and Mesa toys (under both KDE and Gnome) are no longer functioning. Previously they worked, though not with blinding speed ... but they worked. Now, if I try to invoke the OpenGL screensavers I get just a blank screen; if I try to start the little Mesa toys the app never starts, just craps out. Everything else appears to be functioning quite well and, again, not sure if this negative change came about through my action or something else, but am not sure where to begin troubleshooting it. Anyone with a pointer for me in that regard? TIA -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 22:09:46 up 12:30, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.02 What you are, not what you have, is what makes you rich. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Don't you just hate it when people send test messages to the list...
...like I'm doing here? :-) I've been on an involuntary hiatus from the list, ever since smtp.mandrax.org started rejecting my messages mid-day Tuesday, first with a response (24 hours after sending) of: Message delivery to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' delayed SMTP module(domain linux-mandrake.com) reports: connection with smtp.mandrax.org is broken followed the next day by: Failed to deliver to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' SMTP module(domain linux-mandrake.com) reports: host smtp1.mandrax.org says: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [209.81.96.55] So, finally tried unsubbing and resubbing this evening. Fingers crossed. (Oddly, it didn't affect my expert list membership or send abilities). -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 21:23:59 up 15:44, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.10, 0.09 Sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Test
I'm in DNS hell, apparently, and able to receive from the list, but not to send. Just talked to my ISP, so testing to see if they did anything worthwhile... :-\ As you were. -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 13:18:24 up 1:10, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.09, 0.03 Carelessness does more harm than a want of knowledge. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Installing updates from Mandrake Online
[un-hijacking the thread and starting anew here...] On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 05:00, Rory wrote: Hi folks, I hope this question is appropriate for this list. I'm trying to install the Mandrake Online Wizard found at: https://www.mandrakeonline.net/index.php couple of questions? I'm assuming this will allow automatic on-line updates for Mandrake? I only ask this as I assumed that such a feature would just be bundled. Or, is this just an updated version of Mandrake Update (which never works properly, due to server load, I assume.) I tried installing the four files by saving to disk, right-clicking on each one and choosing software installation. However, during the process for each one I got the following error: Some package requested cannot be installed: mdkonline-1.0-0.6mdk.noarch (due to unsatisfied perl(Gtk2::TrayIcon)) Does any know why? Thanks, Rory I /think/ this is a feature/service in development and not quite ready for primetime, but I may be wrong. But, what the hey ... I went and grabbed the installer (clicked on the link for 10.0 in the right-hand column), and it installed the required perl/TrayIcon module, so not sure why your install was crapping out. In any case, after installing, uploading my configuration and personal data, the icon sits in the tray saying, Service deactivated. Waiting for payment. Supposedly a free service, but perhaps they forgot? :-) -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 06:46:20 up 47 min, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.24, 0.17 interest, n.: What borrowers pay, lenders receive, stockholders own, and burned out employees must feign. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Installing updates from Mandrake Online
On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 08:14, Derek Jennings wrote: I /think/ this is a feature/service in development and not quite ready for primetime, but I may be wrong. - snip -8 In any case, after installing, uploading my configuration and personal data, the icon sits in the tray saying, Service deactivated. Waiting for payment. Supposedly a free service, but perhaps they forgot? :-) It installs OK for me. The first computer is free, but you have to pay for additional machines. If you have used it before with a different name for your computer then that would explain why it says you must pay. A visit to mandrakeonline.com would allow you to check that. Nope, haven't used it before, and only have one computer registered. Mandrakeonline.com doesn't show anything different than that. Interestingly, the welcome message received after registration gives [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the contact address, but any e-mail to that address is returned with an autoresponse of This alias is not read anymore. The service does not seem to be operational yet. I think it is checking the update servers which do not show any updates yet. At the moment all enchancements to 10.0 are going into mandrale-devel/stable That's my impression, as well, and I didn't expect any updates to be out there at this point, but am questioning the Waiting for payment status I ended up with. -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 08:51:03 up 2:51, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 It destroys one's nerves to be amiable every day to the same human being. -- Benjamin Disraeli Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: Signature Scripts (WAS: Re: [newbie] Steve's second question of the day. Time machine has been up)
On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 08:39, Todd Slater wrote: On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 06:22:33PM -0600, Chuck Mattsen wrote: I managed to get mine working, including the tagline/'fortune' ... I can still only use others' fortunes, however, as all attempts to compile my own via the strfile command have failed, yielding just one big file instead of individual taglines. Not sure what's up with that, but figuring that out is currently on my e-mail client wish/to-do list. :-) can you send me an attachment of your original text file that you run strfile on? I'll see if I can duplicate the error here. Thanks ... I'll send you a copy of it off list (however, I suspect it's a PEBKAC thing, as I tried to compile a .dat via strfile with just a few taglines, and ended up with the same thing ... one large concatenated tagline). -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 08:57:48 up 2:58, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 There's only one way to have a happy marriage and as soon as I learn what it is I'll get married again. -- Clint Eastwood Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: Signature Scripts (WAS: Re: [newbie] Steve's second question of the day. Time machine has been up)
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 02:19, Charlie wrote: Thanks ... I'll send you a copy of it off list (however, I suspect it's a PEBKAC thing, as I tried to compile a .dat via strfile with just a few taglines, and ended up with the same thing ... one large concatenated tagline). I haven't been following this thread but are you pointing your mail program to the file or the .dat file? The problem was in my tagline file, either in the way I saved it, or something with EOLs (or lack thereof, I'm not sure), causing the strfile process to just concatenate them into one big ol' mess. In any case, with Todd's help I got the file and associated .dat in place and working and, with further experimentation, found that I could create a small test file and working .dat with no problem, so it was definitely something in the file itself and the way I had created it when transporting it over from my Windows installation. Probably my choice of editors, but I've not narrowed the cause down yet. :*) -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 16:29:37 up 10:30, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 History is a set of lies agreed upon by the Victors. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 02:19, anton wrote: What is wrong here people? Oh, that's right. WTF is rute says the complete newbie!?! The Rute users guide is a project/book aiming at a fairly good intro to whizz of Linux: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html its free but you can also buy a hard copy. It's definitely worth a look. Doesn't urpmi rute work, as well? -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 02:25:53 up 1:45, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.08 Those who will be able to conquer software will be able to conquer the world. -- Tadahiro Sekimoto, president, NEC Corp. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 02:37, anton wrote: Again, wtf is urpmi, and isn't it for installing apps? What do you mean you install documentation? Why do you need to install documentation? For that matter, wtf is wtf (I know, but as long as we're being argumentative ... :-) -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 02:44:34 up 2:04, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04 NEVER swerve to hit a lawyer riding a bicycle -- it might be your bicycle. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Hmmm ... app crash after most installs?
Just a minor annoyance, but wondering if it's usual or something else is amiss. (Running MDK as below in sig.) I've noted that after installing most apps (most recently rute and gimp-2 via urpmi, but also most others I can recall), the first attempt to run that app from the KDE menu will result in an app crash. The second attempt (and subsequent runs) will work with no errors. This seems to be the case whether or not I've ended and restarted my KDE session. Do others experience this regularly/is this common? Again, just a minor annoyance and always just a solitary, nonrepeatable crash, but one of those Hmmm... things, nonetheless. -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 02:57:30 up 2:17, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.24, 0.17 Fremen add life to spice! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Hmmm ... app crash after most installs?
On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 09:03, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Saturday 27 March 2004 03:01 am, Chuck Mattsen wrote: Just a minor annoyance, but wondering if it's usual or something else is amiss. (Running MDK as below in sig.) I've noted that after installing most apps (most recently rute and gimp-2 via urpmi, but also most others I can recall), the first attempt to run that app from the KDE menu will result in an app crash. The second attempt (and subsequent runs) will work with no errors. This seems to be the case whether or not I've ended and restarted my KDE session. Do others experience this regularly/is this common? Again, just a minor annoyance and always just a solitary, nonrepeatable crash, but one of those Hmmm... things, nonetheless. I believe it's peculiar to your system. I've run 10.0 all thru the development process to 10.0-CE, and now 10.0-OE (as of about today. Note to everybody, this is my conjecture). I read the cooker, buggzilla, and change log lists daily. I can't remember anyone mentioning such a problem. 'Bout the only thing I can suggest is to install cooker sources for RPMS/ (main) and RPMS2/ (contrib) and update to current cooker. You should then have 10.0 Official. I believe this announcement is comin next week. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerdevel.php3 You could use 'stable' and 'stable contrib' sources, but those are just symlinked to cooker. You also might miss any last minute, post 10.0-OE updates if you use 'stable'. It will be unlinked to cooker after Official is announced. Actually, I've already got cooker sources in place and keep current with the updates. Again, though, it's just one of those first-time crash things, and it never happens again (for that app). I /suspect/ it might be wrapped up in the menuing or something (I should try a first run of a program from Konsole next time to see if I get the same result and/or to watch for errors, just to see). Other than this niggling little thing -- which I've come to expect now -- everything seems rock solid. thx. -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 11:05:18 up 7 min, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.36, 0.24 Television is now so desperately hungry for material that it is scraping the top of the barrel. -- Gore Vidal Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: Signature Scripts (WAS: Re: [newbie] Steve's second question of the day. Time machine has been up)
On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 16:47, Chris wrote: If I read the thread correctly you want to have a sig similiar to mine? If so, why not use a little perl script called makesig.pl If you want it I'll send it over or just google/linux for it. I'll Google it and take a look, thanks. I managed to get mine working, including the tagline/'fortune' ... I can still only use others' fortunes, however, as all attempts to compile my own via the strfile command have failed, yielding just one big file instead of individual taglines. Not sure what's up with that, but figuring that out is currently on my e-mail client wish/to-do list. :-) -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 18:22:25 up 44 min, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.08, 0.02 If you took all of the grains of sand in the world, and lined them up end to end in a row, you'd be working for the government! -- Mr. Interesting Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] URPMI oddity
On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 03:50, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: I keep getting this message whenever I use URPMI: unable to take medium distrib_ftp.club-internet.fr_i586_10.0 into account as no list file [/var/lib/urpmi/list.distrib_ftp.club-internet.fr_i586_10.0] exists I am sure its something benign and unimportant but it annoys me (I'm like that!) and I would like to get rid. I assume there must be some file somewhere I have to edit or something? I have tried updating and even removing and adding the sources again. Have you tried using cooker, instead? I've had no problems using the ftp.club-internet.fr mirror using cooker; once MDK 10 goes final/official, then one should be able to point at _10.0 sources, or so I understand it ... I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. :-) -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: Signature Scripts (WAS: Re: [newbie] Steve's second question of the day. Time machine has been up)
On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 10:08, bascule wrote: try using echo -e and using \\n to represent a newline, thus: #bin bash echo -e Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN \\n echo -e Registered Linux User #346519 \\n echo -e `cat /etc/mandrake-release` kernel `uname -r` \\n echo `uptime` Now /that/ looks familiar; similar to the way my random sig quotes file needed to be formatted for Pegasus, back in my Windows days. Will have to try that, as well. Thx. -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 10:22:51 up 7:26, 1 user, load average: 0.23, 0.10, 0.09 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Okay, still on the subject of e-mail signatures... (random taglines)
Any suggestions on random tagline generators? I see a number of them in a quick Google search (TaRT, gensig, and others), but any recommendations for one that is (A) simple to use (for a capital-N newbie) and maintain, while also (B) flexible and configurable? TIA -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN, USA Registered Linux User #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 11:05:43 up 8:09, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.02, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Okay, still on the subject of e-mail signatures... (random taglines)
On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 11:41, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 11:08:23AM -0600, Chuck Mattsen wrote: Any suggestions on random tagline generators? I see a number of them in a quick Google search (TaRT, gensig, and others), but any recommendations for one that is (A) simple to use (for a capital-N newbie) and maintain, while also (B) flexible and configurable? fortune is about as easy as you can get. I've got some fairly simple instructions here: http://clevername.homeip.net/howto/ Oh, crap ... you mean it's /already/ on my system? LOL. Okay, off to read the man page(s) for it, and to check out your site. Thanks. -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Mahnomen, MN, USA Registered Linux User #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 12:10:20 up 9:13, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.02 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Okay, still on the subject of e-mail signatures... (random taglines)
On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 11:41, Todd Slater wrote: On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 11:08:23AM -0600, Chuck Mattsen wrote: Any suggestions on random tagline generators? I see a number of them in a quick Google search (TaRT, gensig, and others), but any recommendations for one that is (A) simple to use (for a capital-N newbie) and maintain, while also (B) flexible and configurable? fortune is about as easy as you can get. I've got some fairly simple instructions here: http://clevername.homeip.net/howto/ Okay, I /think/ I'm pretty close to having it working, but ... :-\ I pulled my old file of taglines over from Winderz, formatted it with the appropriate % delimeter between taglines, saved it to the ~/fortunes directory as chuck then did a strfile chuck on it, but that seemed to create a file with just one, honkin' big tagline (all of my 200 or so combined into one): [EMAIL PROTECTED] fortunes]# strfile chuck chuck.dat created There was 1 string Longest string: 31358 bytes Shortest string: 31358 bytes Okay ... I'm sure I'm missing something pretty obvious here, but what? ... TIA -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Popfile config
On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 14:41, Josenildo Marques wrote: Folks -- I installed Popfile following the excellent instructions given here http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/PopFile The thing is when I hit Ctrl+Alt+F1, Popfile is there and won't let me use that virtual console. Also, when I shut down the computer, it says killing the display manager [failed]. The last lines of rc.local are as follow elif [ $SECURE_LEVEL -ge 4 ]; then rm -f /etc/issue /etc/issue.net fi cd /usr/local/bin/popfile; ./popfile.pl touch /var/lock/subsys/local I'd appreciate any comment or tip on how I can get it to work properly. It seems to me that this configuration is meant to be for all users and I'd like to know how I can get it to work just for me as a user. TIA I may be wrong, but did you also set up POPFile to run as a service? (I believe the instructions are in the same doc you referenced above.) I don't have the POPFile/console problem you report, and am running it as a service. -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 14:59:30 up 12:02, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.04, 0.06 QOTD: Everything I am today I owe to people, whom it is now to late to punish. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake for Dummies?
On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 00:52, Rob Blomquist wrote: On Friday 26 March 2004 8:08 pm, William Hatfield pondered and enlightened us with: I haven't quite got the hang of how to install things on Mandrake. I downloaded the Starter Guide, but it is still like greek to me. Be patient. With time, and with some effort, it will quickly begin to resemble not Greek, but Esperanto. :*) Several books that I have used include: LINUX: THE COMPLETE REFERENCE, 5/E THE LINUX COOKBOOK LINUX ETUDES RUNNING LINUX I'll second the recommendation for Running Linux, which I'm currently working my way through. At times it gets a little heavy or technical for a casual user, but on the whole it does a pretty good job of explaining basic concepts in an understandable manner. RUTE is also good. That said, I still know /so/ little ... yet, it's volumes more than I knew 5-6 weeks ago. Some problems I've been able to figure out on my own, others with the patient help of those here in this group, and others I still don't understand well enough to tackle ... those I've put aside for a later time when, hopefully, things will have fallen into place for me and they'll be a piece of cake. :-) One of the problems with Linux books is there current-ness. Many books offered are way out of date. Mandrake is very similar to Red Hat, so a current Red Hat book could be a good buy. But don't leave us, as there is alot of useful stuff that is not documented in books, that only we Mandrake folks know about. I'd also recommend -- being somewhat of a miser myself, and on a very limited income at the moment -- checking out the used book sources (such as Amazon, or perhaps http://www.bookfinder.com). That's what I did a few weeks back when I was first getting my Linux feet wet, and managed to pick up like-new, current editions of Running Linux, Linux Desk Reference, and Linux in a Nutshell for around $50 total, SH included. And the pundits that talk about how linux is not ready for the desktop have no idea what they are talking about. Linux has been ready for this desktop for the last 4 years. I run a 100% MS free PC. My processor has never seen MS code. Linux is certainly ready for the desktop ... I would, however, say that most (more casual) users are not ready for Linux. :-) -- Chuck Mattsen / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / RLU #346519 Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (Community) for i586 kernel 2.6.3-4mdk 00:57:12 up 17 min, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.19, 0.17 Given sufficient time, what you put off doing today will get done by itself. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie]
On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 04:08, Anne Wilson wrote: - From the PM point of view, create your fat32 partition for data immediately after the ntfs partition - you could do this from XP instead, I think. For the rest of the drive just ignore it in PM. Okay, that's where the free space is, and where the FAT32 partition will be. My question where that is concerned is that if I create another primary drive (e.g., F:), would that in any way affect my dual-boot status if it's just going to be used for data accessible to both systems? I'm paranoid at that point because the Are you sure? prompt from the program seems to foretell dire consequences, and makes it sound (to me) that creating it thusly would kill kittens and mangle baby ducks, not to mention screwing with my extant XP and MDK setups :-) Otherwise, I'm currently happy with the size of my XP primary and MDK/Linux partitions. All I want is one, single data partition out of that free space, and that mostly for convenient access from both OS'es ... I spent /way/ too much time in DOS and Windows on meager systems (20MB HD, then 100MB HD, then a 500MB drive DriveSpace'd to approx. 1 Gig, etc., so I'm quite the miser when it comes to disk space otherwise :-), and just want to stash music and graphics there, really. TIA -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie]
On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 11:26, Bryan Phinney wrote: On Wednesday 24 March 2004 11:11 am, Chuck Mattsen wrote: On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 04:08, Anne Wilson wrote: - From the PM point of view, create your fat32 partition for data immediately after the ntfs partition - you could do this from XP instead, I think. For the rest of the drive just ignore it in PM. Okay, that's where the free space is, and where the FAT32 partition will be. My question where that is concerned is that if I create another primary drive (e.g., F:), would that in any way affect my dual-boot status if it's just going to be used for data accessible to both systems? Not sure that I am following this question entirely, but just to mention a possible issue. You can only have one primary partition per hard drive. All other partitions under windows need to be created as extended partitions split into whatever logical drives you want. Logical drives don't need to follow any particular convention, at least not for XP, they can be lettered in any way and the order is not dependent. (For instance, you can have a D: drive that appears physically before the C: drive on a disk. But, if you create a second primary partition, it will either be hidden or it will take the place of the first primary partition. If you are creating additional drives within already defined space, then hopefully, the primary partition only extends to the first drive on the disk and subsequent space is already included in the extended partition. Personally, if I were going to create an additional FAT32 partition for sharing, I would create the partition with Linux. Windows should have no problem seeing and letting you use the partition and even assigning a drive letter to it. Partition Magic allows you to do some things that you shouldn't do in the interest of allowing experts to do things like creating hidden mirror partitions on a drive, etc. The added benefit to this is that diskdrake won't allow you to create multiple primary partitions and short of deleting an existing partition, shouldn't harm your windows partition in any way. At least, not in my experience. I have, however, managed to take out a Windows installation more than once using PM, nothing that couldn't be recovered but it was a hassle. Okay, thanks ... yeah, that's what I was trying to say, so ineptly. :-) On the Windows side of things, the only option presented to me, it seems, would be to create a primary partition out of that freed space, hence the Are you sure? prompts and my hesitance to proceed any further because of that. I was concerned that if I created the partition from within Linux that it wouldn't easily be recognized by Windows, and was also a bit confused by the questions regarding mount points, etc., that Linux was asking. I'll plan on creating it from Linux rather than Windows, then, and will read up on what I need to know coming in from that angle. In all the years I spent on the Windows side of things, from my 286 BBS'ing box on up through my current XP Pro install, I /never/ had to reinstall an OS, or partition a drive, etc., so this is all very new to me. Linux is forcing me to learn more about what I probably should've been up on years ago. :-) Thanks again. -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] After installing 10.0 Partition Magic from XP says that the partition di damaged
On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 09:01, Bryan Phinney wrote: If you really must use a Windows tool for partitions, you might consider getting Paragon Partition Manager. It is a superior tool, IMHO, and will happily copy, format, move, extend all Linux partitions that I have ever run into including ReiserFS, EXT3, 2, etc. It also will not report the erroneous error messages that you are currently seeing. Hey, nice. Partition Magic was groaning and complaining, wanting to fix things (scary) when I tried to fire it up, but I bought gasp! a copy of Paragon PM and it quickly did the NTFS resizing, etc., that Partition Magic had been balking at; no errors, no complaints, and I'm still here. :) Thx. -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie]
On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 13:50, Anne Wilson wrote: If you are dual booting you really need a fat32 partition for data, so that it can safely be read and written to by both OSs. You should also have a separate partition for /home, as you do not want to lose everything under home if things go wrong and you have to reinstall or want to upgrade. Swap need not be more than 512MB. HTH Is it better to set up that FAT32 partition for data from the Windows side of things, or from the Linux side, or does it make any difference in the long run? In other words, if it becomes, say, an F: drive within Windows, is that the same as creating it as, say, /data from within Linux, or are there some gotchas in this process? Paranoid, as always, and certainly not used to the whole partitioning thang ... TIA -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie]
On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 14:19, Anne Wilson wrote: I've done it both ways and been OK, but I've read that some people have not been so lucky, so create the partition in windows. Create the linux partitions with diskdrake. Remember that if you start an install you can 'dummy run' - you can try out your partition settings because nothing is written to disk until you finish. It will warn you when it is about to write the partition table, and you can abort at any time before that write and you will be perfectly safe. Okay, I've obviously still have a lot of learning to do before I understand this process, as I'm at a loss at this point. Perhaps it's more difficult and/or undoable because I'm dealing with existing WinXP/NTFS and Linux/Ext3 partitions, and a block of free space smack dab in the middle, and it would be a simpler process if installing Linux from scratch at this point? In short, my previous setup (prior to resizing the XP partition downward in size was, roughly, a 40GB drive split thusly: 25GB NTFS/XP partition, followed by a 15GB logical partition, consisting of /, swap and /home I resized the XP partition down to 15GB, freeing up an approximately 10GB block of drive, so I now have it sitting between hda1 and hda5 ... Partition Manager (which I'm still learning and getting used to) seems to only want to offer the option to create another primary drive out of that free space -or- give me the option of extending the logical drive containing hda5, swap and hda7. Again, I'm confused and admittedly still pretty ignorant about this whole process. Have I blundered already in my shrinking of the NTFS position and leaving the block of free space in the midst there, or am I just missing some important concept here? (A somewhat rhetorical question, as I know I'm missing a lot in terms of knowledge of the process). -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Encrypt a text file
On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 02:40, franki wrote: Stephen Reynolds wrote: When I'm using windows I use winzip to encrypt plain text files that contain sensitive information (username/passwords etc) What do I use to encrypt plain text files with Mandrake 10? Steve you shouldn't really use winzip for that, its not strong password protection and I have seen tools on the net that can break them easily.. Indeed. It takes about 5 minutes to locate, install and use a .zip file password cracker from the 'net. Not safe at all, if the information is truly sensitive. -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2-10 upgrade advice
On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 17:42, Tom Brinkman wrote: - snip -8 /mild but accurate rant The problem was and isn't the cooker developement process. The problem was _users_ who wouldn't install the upcomming release until cooker reached at least the RC stage. BUT, by then it was far far too late. This new release cycle (still every six months) might help, but I now see people now sayin, I'm gonna wait for the 'official', 10.0-CE is nothin but RC2. If I were them with that attitude I'd keep it to myself. What they're really sayin (to me anyhow) is I'll let some others test drive the new release for me. I'm not willin to take part in the community developed distro I use. Anybody can test, and newbie confusion/user problems with the distro equates to a bug that needs correction. Plus the additional hardware base they contribute, as they're the most likely to buy/have hardware with little to no regard for/ knowledge of Linux compatibility. EG, the current 'CD1 won't boot' problem for some users. With 9.2, the LG cdrom deal. end mba rant/ I, for one, appreciate your rant. As a newbie, both to Mandrake and to Linux in general, I've been a bit confused about the varying attitudes toward cooker, the RCs and now the Community download. On the one hand, when a question is asked concerning a problem a user is having, I often hear, Well, a newbie has no business running cooker, or, What did you expect with an RC?, etc. I can see why some would shy away from anything but a full, official release. It's good to hear that some appreciate users' willingness to experiment with the latest releases, whether newbies or more-seasoned users. Of course, if the problem is brought to the list in the form of a raving, angry complaint, then the what did you expect? response is probably justified. :-) -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] ISO cd not starting
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 14:17, rhein wrote: Hello, I downloaded Vectorlinux as a iso file... and burned it on a cd-rom. So there is just one big file on it. When I make the desktop boot from the cd, nothing happens. It is the first time I do a iso cd. Is the file corrupted? Is there something to add on the cd? Thanks Christophe I'd wager that when you burned it to CD-ROM you actually just ended up coping the .iso image over as the one, large file. You need to select the option in your burning program that reads something like Burn CD Image (under Tools in K3B, for example, or similar in other programs). Doing so will create the necessary directory structures and make the disc burned from the .iso into a bootable CD. -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Power Off
On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 21:48, Matthew Harrison wrote: Ok, I recently took my laptop to 100% Linux for the OS, and I do run Windows, but I run it the way it should be...with the ability to minimize it when it gets in the way (via Win4Lin). My problem is that when I tell KDE to power off my computer, it gets through the shutdown screen and the screen will go black, but the computer won't turn off. I have to hold the power button down to get it to completely shut off. Is there possibly a setting that could need tweaking? Oh, I am running 9.2 btw. FWIW, I had the same problem while running 9.2, but with the upgrade to 10.0 and the 2.6x kernel, the power-down is now complete. Whether you can get it to work while still running 9.2 and/or earlier kernel I must leave to others, but the upgrade fixed that for me, among other things. -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Where is Kontact?
Okay, so admittedly this question may be a strong contender for the D'oh! post of the day, but here goes ... I've seen a number of people complaining about not being able to use Kmail without the full Kontact interface coming up, but I see no sign of Kontact anywhere on my 10.0 Community installation. Where the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is it? :-) I'm currently using Evolution, which handles my e-mail needs well, but would like to check out Kontact to see if the integration with Kmail might better suit me ... I just don't see it, period. -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Where is Kontact?
On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 10:49, Chuck Mattsen wrote: Okay, so admittedly this question may be a strong contender for the D'oh! post of the day, but here goes ... I've seen a number of people complaining about not being able to use Kmail without the full Kontact interface coming up, but I see no sign of Kontact anywhere on my 10.0 Community installation. Where the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is it? :-) I'm currently using Evolution, which handles my e-mail needs well, but would like to check out Kontact to see if the integration with Kmail might better suit me ... I just don't see it, period. Okay, so the D'oh! is appropriate and I'm assigning the award to myself ... sheesh. The sucker wasn't installed, don't know why. Finally figured out that it was under kdepim* rather than kontact* in terms of packages, so just urpmi'ed it and it's there. Sorry ... as you were. :*) -- Chuck Mattsen ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Mahnomen, MN Registered Linux User #346519 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
