RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
Vaporware? I have actual bits - the release Candidate running in my system for 3 months. But you're stupid to read that. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Steve Philp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 7:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Sam Gentile wrote: I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Stability claims on vaporware are hardly something to base a business decision on. That's what got us into this NT mess to begin with. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sam Gentile wrote: Vaporware? I have actual bits - the release Candidate running in my system for 3 months. But you're stupid to read that. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Steve Philp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 7:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Sam Gentile wrote: I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Stability claims on vaporware are hardly something to base a business decision on. That's what got us into this NT mess to begin with. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's been fun but you're getting on my nerves. I thought we were here to help each other, instead you seem bent on name calling and flame throwing and it's time for you to go away. Welcome to my trash bin filter Mr. Gentile. -- Joseph S. Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I had one of those too, You could add extra ram buy pluging it into the back. A whole 16 k On Sat, 06 Nov 1999, you wrote: I remember the days of my Timex Sinclair T1000. A whopping 2k of ram. - Original Message - From: Sysadmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)] Wow, they taught us CPM in trade school, kind of reminded me of DOS, it had a C compiler to build the executables and such. We were trained on the old Z80 microprocessor. I also remember Centix, the old business unix then too. On Sat, 06 Nov 1999, you wrote: Dating myself, but my first operating system was trsdos on a radio shack model I, back in those days the competition was between apple and trs-80. Rick Keep this up and I'll get my Amstrad 6128 out of the loft and start using CP/M again. John the Nadger http://www.goon.freeuk.com -- Normal=boring x 100 -- Boling's postulate: If you're feeling good, don't worry. You'll get over it.
RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
On Sat, 06 Nov 1999, you wrote: I want to agree with Seth here, lets get back to Linux. Here is a dumb question. What is MESA 3.1? The reason I keep Win98 is so I can play Quake 2 Mesa is an Open Source implimentation of OpenGL, written by one Brian Paul while at the University of Wisconsis (tho i believe he's graduated). According to all the "official" literature, it can't be called "OpenGL" because it doesnt meet the OpenGL ARBs Compliance standards (well, actually that's not true, it just hasn't been Tested). It is undergoing compliance examination as we speak tho. Also despite the fact its not officially OpenGL, all the major developers use it (as well as the minor ones like me:) and it is being worked into XFree86 4. Heck, i think even John Carmack is funding some of the development (something about optimizations to the vertex transform model). So basically until the Linux OpenGL Base is completed, Mesa is our OpenGL. For more info, head on over to: www.mesa3d.org P.S. Quake II runs really nicely under Mesa, as do many other games. . .might not need to keep Win 98 around for games much longer!;). ALso u might want to give q3test a look if u havent already. . .really nice. -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) Aggression Takes Its Toll.
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Sam Gentile wrote: I'm only defending against the stupid lies here and in the Linux community. If you made an argument that Linux is better because that's OK. If you start spreading lies like NT crashes left and right, I know it not to be true. We are running a billion dollar business on it. Sam Gentile snip Sam, I enjoyed the graphic, and I have to agree with you the Win2000 is a several orders of magnitude improvement over previous MS systems. I have been using Beta 2 release since it came out and have found it to be quite stable. It was easy to load, never read any documentation but the readme on the CD, and managed to get it up and running on the internet in about 90 minutes. I was impressed, and wish that linux was as easy to install and configure. The major reason I run Win2K now is I have been unable to use linux as a gateway to my cablemodem setup. (the other reason is I need to be familiar with it so I can work with my IT clients). After uncountable tries, and many thousands of pages of reading, I have been unable to get mandrake to recognize more that one ethernet card on my server. So, until I find the magic key I'm stuck with Windows at least for that particular function. I think one of the major problems with linux is that so many supporters are unable to accept that MS products have a place in the greater scheme of computing. I dislike MS as much as the next person, but I think that linux is done a great disservice by rabid aficionados who are vehement in their criticism, and make blanket statements that are not universally true. Yes Win anything will crash, but so will any other system. Yes its buggy, and yes it is virtually impossible to make much in the way of meaningful customization, but it does work and it is pretty brainless. My experience has been that few computer users care how things work, they want eye candy and something to get their word-processing done. Windows provides the eye candy and lets them get their words processed almost as efficiently as WordPerfect 4.2 did. Get with the program people, juvenile comments and FUD work in both directions. If you want to be taken seriously by the computing community, stop the BS and petty arguments. Think with your brain instead of your testosterone level. I'm happy to join Sam on the flame line. He makes sense, most of the flames I've read don't. Jim -- James Mellema, CRNA MA __ Linux User #71650
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Wow, they taught us CPM in trade school, kind of reminded me of DOS, it had a C compiler to build the executables and such. You mean somebody taught you an OS?! The military taught us digital theory on circuts built with individual transistors in TO3 cans, but there wasn't any concept of "the operating system." The circuit just did whatever it was wired to do. (Nowadays that's called the microcode.) My first computer as a teenager was a plastic educational toy called "Digi-COMP I" which was programmed with drinking straws and had a mechanical clock you cycled by hand. MB
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Yes I remember. And then I moved over to the Commodore 64. - Original Message - From: Sysadmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)] A buddy of mine had an old Timex Sinclair, wow. do you remember the old Odyssey video game console? That was an 80's classic! On Sat, 06 Nov 1999, you wrote: I remember the days of my Timex Sinclair T1000. A whopping 2k of ram. - Original Message - From: Sysadmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)] Wow, they taught us CPM in trade school, kind of reminded me of DOS, it had a C compiler to build the executables and such. We were trained on the old Z80 microprocessor. I also remember Centix, the old business unix then too. On Sat, 06 Nov 1999, you wrote: Dating myself, but my first operating system was trsdos on a radio shack model I, back in those days the competition was between apple and trs-80. Rick Keep this up and I'll get my Amstrad 6128 out of the loft and start using CP/M again. John the Nadger http://www.goon.freeuk.com -- Normal=boring x 100 -- Normal=boring x 100
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I just got my L-M 6.0 configured with 2 NIC's the other day...after much reading and fiddling...etc...(read re-installs)I found the trick for me anyways. Depending on the NIC's...install the ISA jumpered FIRST, then a ISA/PCI PnP, although I recall reading somewhere that for can force Linux to try and detect 2 NIC's...but I don't remember the command or flags (perhaps someone can expand on that). HTH Jaguar James Mellema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The major reason I run Win2K now is I have been unable to use linux as a gateway to my cablemodem setup. (the other reason is I need to be familiar with it so I can work with my IT clients). After uncountable tries, and many thousands of pages of reading, I have been unable to get mandrake to recognize more that one ethernet card on my server. So, until I find the magic key I'm stuck with Windows at least for that particular function. snip Jim -- James Mellema, CRNA MA __ Linux User #71650 Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
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I installed two nics in my mandrake 6.0 sometime back. I just stuck the second one in and fired up the machine, and it was recognized right off the bat. I haven't had to do anything other than 'turn it on' in netconf. One is a linksys and one is 3com, both are pci. There was no 'forceing' involved, it just worked. Maybe I got lucky?:-) Chip On Sat, 06 Nov 1999, you wrote: I just got my L-M 6.0 configured with 2 NIC's the other day...after much reading and fiddling...etc...(read re-installs)I found the trick for me anyways. Depending on the NIC's...install the ISA jumpered FIRST, then a ISA/PCI PnP, although I recall reading somewhere that for can force Linux to try and detect 2 NIC's...but I don't remember the command or flags (perhaps someone can expand on that). HTH Jaguar James Mellema [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The major reason I run Win2K now is I have been unable to use linux as a gateway to my cablemodem setup. (the other reason is I need to be familiar with it so I can work with my IT clients). After uncountable tries, and many thousands of pages of reading, I have been unable to get mandrake to recognize more that one ethernet card on my server. So, until I find the magic key I'm stuck with Windows at least for that particular function. snip Jim -- James Mellema, CRNA MA __ Linux User #71650 Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
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I want to agree with Seth here, lets get back to Linux. Here is a dumb question. What is MESA 3.1? The reason I keep Win98 is so I can play Quake 2 online. Can't wait for more gaming to come to the Linux community. J On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: I'm only defending against the stupid lies here and in the Linux community. If you made an argument that Linux is better because that's OK. If you start spreading lies like NT crashes left and right, I know it not to be true. Key phrase there being "I know it not to be true". Another person's truth might be totally different, so to call the statement "NT crashes left and right" a lie might be stepping on someone else's truth. In the case of Windows, it's really a double edged sword. For some people it works wonderfully, for some it works not quite as well. Neither one is a lie, they are just things that different people "know it to be true." I mean, if we want to slam MS more we could tap a keg at the fact that a judge just ruled Microsoft a monopoly. But on the other hand, we could rejoice at the fact that the judge also said that one of the reasons for his ruling of monopoly is that "there is no viable alternative (to Windows on the desktop)"', probably including linux. Again the double edged sword, because this is certainly a statement that many of us linux users "know it NOT to be true" to paraphrase. Personally, i have to go with whoever stated that there is room for both. I use both and im not going to say one is that much better from a pure user standpoint. Yes on the technical level i would have a different opinion, but thats not the point. Some things i just like better under DOS/Win and some under linux. It's a big world, some use one some use the other. It's all good right?? So now back to linux if anyone's read this far. Is there any good DTP software? Something on the order of Publisher? Also, getting back to games (of course!) i saw this post on linuxgames with a list of commercial games available or coming soon. For anyone interested they are: Soldier of Fortune - Soon Heroes of Might and Magic - Soon Hopkins FBI - Now - Requires XFree 3.3 Quake 1 - Now - Requires Mesa 2.4 Quake 2 - Now - Requires Mesa 3.0 Quake 3 - November - Requires Mesa 3.1 or XFree 4.0 Unreal Tournament - November - Requires Glide 2.53 BFRIS - Now - Requires Mesa Descent 3 - Unsupported - Soon - Requires Mesa 3.0 Kingpin - Unsupported - Now - Requires Mesa 3.0 Ultima Online - Unsupported - Requires XFree 3.3 Civilization CTP - Now - Require XFree 3.3 Myth 2 - Now - Requires XFree 3.3 (Mesa 3.0 support soon) Railroad Tycoon - Now - Requires XFree 3.3 Heretic 2 - December - Requires Mesa 3.1 Heavy Gear 2 - January - Requires Mesa 3.1 Eric's Ultimate Solitaire - October - Requires XFree 3.3 Abuse - Free - Now Descent 1 - Now Doom/Doom 2 - Free - Now Heretic 1 - Free - Now - Requires XFree 3.3 Hexen 1 - Free - Now Battlecruiser 3020AD/Millenium - 2000 Neverwinter Nights - 2000 Terminus - 2000 -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) Aggression Takes Its Toll.
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On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, Steve Philp wrote: Jaguar wrote: IMHO... Sorry I have to agree somewhat with Sam...after all, before Linux had a usable GUI...the only other choice of a workable OS WAS what ever flavor of Microshaft Windows was current. The Win 3.X and Win 9.X have been the staple You realize that the Linux GUI has been around since before WinNT was even a glimmer in Dave Cutler's eye, right? The X Window System is not something that was created for Linux, it predates it by quite a few years. Beyond that, it's amazing to see that people have been so thoroughly brainwashed by the Microsoft marketing train. Do you really believe that computing didn't exist prior to Microsoft Windows? Dating myself, but my first operating system was trsdos on a radio shack model I, back in those days the competition was between apple and trs-80. Rick -- "I don't want to swim in a roped off sea," JB
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Poor guy On Sat, 06 Nov 1999, you wrote: I LOVE M$ products- keeps shoes on the baby's feet, food on the table and a convertable in the driveway. -Original Message- From: Hugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, November 06, 1999 7:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Hey thats right LOL On Sat, 06 Nov 1999, you wrote: Sam Gentile wrote: Why are you so black and white? Can't there be room for both? I am in this group because I am also in love and a USER of Mandrake Linux. I'm just not so black and white that there is only one solution. Yea, Linux and BeOS. == [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) running Linux Mandrake 6.1 and/or BeOS. -- Boling's postulate: If you're feeling good, don't worry. You'll get over it. -- Normal=boring x 100
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RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
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Sevatio Octavio wrote: Many thanks for the laughs... Jeeez, I'm still laughing each time I look at the picture! Unfortunately half the time, the 3finger salute doesn't even help. With Windows I always rely on my precious Reset button. Hey, make sure the 'expert' list gets a copy of this! Seve I joined the list just recently. What is this picture that everyone is talkingabout? Thanks, Jas
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What are you, a M$ plant? This is the wrong place to be espousing the value of M$ OS's! Besides, not everybody runs NT anyway. 95/98 DOES crash a lot. 2000 probably will too. -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
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On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: I joined the list just recently. What is this picture that everyone is talkingabout? Keyboard with just three keys -- Control, Alternate and Delete. :-) John
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Gee Microsoft fixes a problem so we can BUY NEW OS from them Big deal! Get real will you! They should give it to all of us who spent money on there software! On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) -- Boling's postulate: If you're feeling good, don't worry. You'll get over it.
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Ok...I'm a little slow getting to my mail but hehehehehehehehehehehehe ROFL I love it! :-) On Thu, 04 Nov 1999, you wrote: Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="windows keyboard.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description:
RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
Oh, everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a "Microsoft plant?" No, I am just an Engineer who has used both since 1993. You're spreading crap and it's UN-professional as well as false. Have you used Windows NT? Have you used Windows 2000 for 6 months as I have? No? THEN DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. I have told you the truth - I have been running for 6 months and instead you choose to believe myths instead of direct experience. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: mshirley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:49 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) What are you, a M$ plant? This is the wrong place to be espousing the value of M$ OS's! Besides, not everybody runs NT anyway. 95/98 DOES crash a lot. 2000 probably will too. -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
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-Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - SNIP So I would caution you to have experience withwhat you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. -- I've been running NT at home for 5 years - and programming M$ stuff even longer does that qualify me as a professional? A reboot is NOT a necessarily a crash, when M$ claims they reduced the number of reboots they mean they reduced the number of times you have to reboot in order for any changes you may have made to the system setup to take effect. I crash my NT box(s - I have 3) a lot, almost on a daily basis and personally cannot wait to rid myself of this virus called windows that I am forced to PAY for every time Bill pulls a "new improved" OS out of his ear. -- Joseph S. Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Especially when we didn't even want to spend money on their software. I have a copy of Windows NT because I chose to purchase it... However, I also have useless copies of Windows 95 and 98 because they came with my computer. Next time I'm defninitely building my own. On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Hugh wrote: Gee Microsoft fixes a problem so we can BUY NEW OS from them Big deal! Get real will you! They should give it to all of us who spent money on there software! On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) -- Boling's postulate: If you're feeling good, don't worry. You'll get over it.
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You don't have many friends, do you? Bryan Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/05/99 11:59:45 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] (bcc: Bryan Moorehead/Link/Allied Holdings) Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
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Sam I agree with him. What are you doing in this group if you are in love with microcrap? - Original Message - From: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Oh, everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a "Microsoft plant?" No, I am just an Engineer who has used both since 1993. You're spreading crap and it's UN-professional as well as false. Have you used Windows NT? Have you used Windows 2000 for 6 months as I have? No? THEN DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. I have told you the truth - I have been running for 6 months and instead you choose to believe myths instead of direct experience. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: mshirley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:49 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) What are you, a M$ plant? This is the wrong place to be espousing the value of M$ OS's! Besides, not everybody runs NT anyway. 95/98 DOES crash a lot. 2000 probably will too. -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
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"Jaswinder S. Ahluwalia" wrote: Sevatio Octavio wrote: Many thanks for the laughs... Jeeez, I'm still laughing each time I look at the picture! Unfortunately half the time, the 3finger salute doesn't even help. With Windows I always rely on my precious Reset button. Hey, make sure the 'expert' list gets a copy of this! Seve I joined the list just recently. What is this picture that everyone is talkingabout? Thanks, Jas [Image] -- Joseph S. Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh no, not more microslop advocates On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) -- Normal=boring x 100
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On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: What are you, a M$ plant? This is the wrong place to be espousing the value of M$ OS's! Besides, not everybody runs NT anyway. 95/98 DOES crash a lot. 2000 probably will too. I'm a W98 user along with Mdk 6.0. I happen to agree with Sam's remarks. Last week I expoused on how most people blame the OS first, instead of last, and that is their biggest impediment to solving their computer problems. I got the feeling that my opinion wasn't well received. shrug I'll say it again tho, you'll be best served lookin for what the USER is doing wrong as your first step. I ran W2.x, W3.x, several beta versions of W95, and of W98. I'll still say, even considering W95 (specially the beta's), the most common computer problems are a symptom of the interface between the keyboard, mouse, and chair, ie., user caused. Next comes poorly written, buggy applications, next comes hardware, then the OS might be misconfigured (including bios), or be the source of the problem. The only item there that maybe sometimes should be considered first, is hardware. If you have a 'ready made' (Dell, Gateway, etc.) and you made _any changes_ to the way it was shipped to you (including OS upgrades/changes). These computers are put together using spec'd, limited, and sometimes substandard components, particularly the motherboard and bios. O/c'd hardware should often rise to the top of the list also. But aren't both items above 'user caused' ? I have another opinion, LU's are doin harm to the cause, when they try to boost Linux by putting down Windows. Wouldn't it be better to claim that while Windows is a very good OS, you believe Linux is better? . Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
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Hey we all have a right to be here ! But lets try to keep a sense of Humor :) We have people who never even loaded Linux ( To bad for them ) :) I think most of us are here because we have past experince with Unix or like me hate the Blue screens we got everyday when we ran Windozes. Had Micro$oft fixed our problems maybe we would have stayed :) But they chose to charge us every time they fix there system and release a new OS version. I for one will never go back. Also I run NT at work everyday and can say that I think they could have had a great system But there too loyal to the dollar and not to there customers So Linux is my choice And I hope others follow Besides I just love Penguins LOL Hugh On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: Sam I agree with him. What are you doing in this group if you are in love with microcrap? - Original Message - From: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Oh, everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a "Microsoft plant?" No, I am just an Engineer who has used both since 1993. You're spreading crap and it's UN-professional as well as false. Have you used Windows NT? Have you used Windows 2000 for 6 months as I have? No? THEN DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. I have told you the truth - I have been running for 6 months and instead you choose to believe myths instead of direct experience. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: mshirley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:49 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) What are you, a M$ plant? This is the wrong place to be espousing the value of M$ OS's! Besides, not everybody runs NT anyway. 95/98 DOES crash a lot. 2000 probably will too. -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) -- Boling's postulate: If you're feeling good, don't worry. You'll get over it.
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Well, I have no crashes EVER with either NT 4.0 SP 5 or Windows 2000. Guess you write lousy code or something. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Joseph S. Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 2:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - SNIP So I would caution you to have experience withwhat you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. -- I've been running NT at home for 5 years - and programming M$ stuff even longer does that qualify me as a professional? A reboot is NOT a necessarily a crash, when M$ claims they reduced the number of reboots they mean they reduced the number of times you have to reboot in order for any changes you may have made to the system setup to take effect. I crash my NT box(s - I have 3) a lot, almost on a daily basis and personally cannot wait to rid myself of this virus called windows that I am forced to PAY for every time Bill pulls a "new improved" OS out of his ear. -- Joseph S. Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I Dual boot Mdk a patched to the gills Norton Utilities equipped W98. 98 can be made fairly stable with a little effort. I haven't had a BSOD for at least a week ;-) - plenty of browser crashes though (ISP advice: "have you rebooted? windows just does that sometimes...). I get browser crashes with MDK/Netscape too, but usually Xkill sorts it out (ctrl+alt+ back once or twice). Mandrake 6.1 cost me about US$ 7.50 (inc postage) What will W2k/NTx offer me that M6.1 doesn't? How much does it cost? -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [Oh, everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a "Microsoft plant?" No, I am just an Engineer who has used both since 1993. You're spreading crap and it's UN-professional as well as false. Have you used Windows NT? Have you used Windows 2000 for 6 months as I have? No? THEN DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. I have told you the truth - I have been running for 6 months and instead you choose to believe myths instead of direct experience.
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Why are you so black and white? Can't there be room for both? I am in this group because I am also in love and a USER of Mandrake Linux. I'm just not so black and white that there is only one solution. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Lyndon Lininger Sr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 3:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Sam I agree with him. What are you doing in this group if you are in love with microcrap? - Original Message - From: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Oh, everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a "Microsoft plant?" No, I am just an Engineer who has used both since 1993. You're spreading crap and it's UN-professional as well as false. Have you used Windows NT? Have you used Windows 2000 for 6 months as I have? No? THEN DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. I have told you the truth - I have been running for 6 months and instead you choose to believe myths instead of direct experience. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: mshirley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:49 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) What are you, a M$ plant? This is the wrong place to be espousing the value of M$ OS's! Besides, not everybody runs NT anyway. 95/98 DOES crash a lot. 2000 probably will too. -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
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Sam, why are you defending M$ with so much heart? All issues aside regarding which platform is 'better' and look at the big picture. Do you want your kids' education dictated my M$? How about giving them more than one choice by the time they're old enough? This is partly why I've taken on Linux. M$ has devoured everything in its way (on the old battle field). Remember this rule: You Can't Compete With Your Supplier. Plus, is it not American to support the underdog? Seve -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 9:39 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
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By the way, I can crash Mandrake Linux regularly in KDE. So don't think that Linux can't crash. And Netscape is the worst piece of crap under Linux ever invented! You people rant and rave about Microsoft's instability while putting up with Netscape crashing dozens of times A DAY! I've seen many Linux people acknowledge this and accept it. You are applying a double standard. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Warren Doney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 4:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I Dual boot Mdk a patched to the gills Norton Utilities equipped W98. 98 can be made fairly stable with a little effort. I haven't had a BSOD for at least a week ;-) - plenty of browser crashes though (ISP advice: "have you rebooted? windows just does that sometimes...). I get browser crashes with MDK/Netscape too, but usually Xkill sorts it out (ctrl+alt+ back once or twice). Mandrake 6.1 cost me about US$ 7.50 (inc postage) What will W2k/NTx offer me that M6.1 doesn't? How much does it cost? -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [Oh, everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a "Microsoft plant?" No, I am just an Engineer who has used both since 1993. You're spreading crap and it's UN-professional as well as false. Have you used Windows NT? Have you used Windows 2000 for 6 months as I have? No? THEN DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. I have told you the truth - I have been running for 6 months and instead you choose to believe myths instead of direct experience.
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Ok, now this is just flamebait. I agree that NT and _possibly_ 2000 (don't know since I haven't and won't use it) are fairly stable OSs. I, for one, rarely experience crashes under NT 4.0. However, 95/98, for whatever reason, crashed all the time when I used them. A friend almost lost several weeks of java development because W98 crashed and never came back up. The big reason I use Linux as my main OS (I still run NT under vmware) is that it's free and _most_ of the software for it is free. It also, like most other Unices, has a fairly simple implementation and it is possible to bypass the annoying GUI wrappers and do things by simply making a change to a text file. Many people won't appreciate this, especially if they've been using Win for a long time and aren't particularly interested in the way the operating system works. I have no problem with that but, please, lets keep this discussion logical and amicable... if you think somebody's code is lousey, please give some proof to back your claim up. On Fri, 5 Nov 1999, Sam Gentile wrote: Well, I have no crashes EVER with either NT 4.0 SP 5 or Windows 2000. Guess you write lousy code or something. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Joseph S. Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 2:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - SNIP So I would caution you to have experience withwhat you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. -- I've been running NT at home for 5 years - and programming M$ stuff even longer does that qualify me as a professional? A reboot is NOT a necessarily a crash, when M$ claims they reduced the number of reboots they mean they reduced the number of times you have to reboot in order for any changes you may have made to the system setup to take effect. I crash my NT box(s - I have 3) a lot, almost on a daily basis and personally cannot wait to rid myself of this virus called windows that I am forced to PAY for every time Bill pulls a "new improved" OS out of his ear. -- Joseph S. Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sam Gentile wrote: I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Stability claims on vaporware are hardly something to base a business decision on. That's what got us into this NT mess to begin with. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm only defending against the stupid lies here and in the Linux community. If you made an argument that Linux is better because that's OK. If you start spreading lies like NT crashes left and right, I know it not to be true. We are running a billion dollar business on it. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Sam, why are you defending M$ with so much heart? All issues aside regarding which platform is 'better' and look at the big picture. Do you want your kids' education dictated my M$? How about giving them more than one choice by the time they're old enough? This is partly why I've taken on Linux. M$ has devoured everything in its way (on the old battle field). Remember this rule: You Can't Compete With Your Supplier. Plus, is it not American to support the underdog? Seve -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 9:39 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
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Agreed. My perception of Linux is that it is "almost" there but needs another year before I can recommend it to non-hacker friends. Most of the machines we have tried have had installation problems. Once they are up they are nice and stable, more so than NT. Also I am trying to do performance tuning of applications on Linux and the tools are just begining to emerge and appropriate patches for the kernel are being developed. One area I could use help is does someone have a better interface to the info help files than info. I find the hotkey interface to be a pain and a better search interface would be nice. Bill Hey we all have a right to be here ! But lets try to keep a sense of Humor :) We have people who never even loaded Linux ( To bad for them ) :) I think most of us are here because we have past experince with Unix or like me hate the Blue screens we got everyday when we ran Windozes. Had Micro$oft fixed our problems maybe we would have stayed :) But they chose to charge us every time they fix there system and release a new OS version. I for one will never go back. Also I run NT at work everyday and can say that I think they could have had a great system But there too loyal to the dollar and not to there customers So Linux is my choice And I hope others follow Besides I just love Penguins LOL Hugh On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: Sam I agree with him. What are you doing in this group if you are in love with microcrap? - Original Message - From: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Oh, everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a "Microsoft plant?" No, I am just an Engineer who has used both since 1993. You're spreading crap and it's UN-professional as well as false. Have you used Windows NT? Have you used Windows 2000 for 6 months as I have? No? THEN DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. I have told you the truth - I have been running for 6 months and instead you choose to believe myths instead of direct experience. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: mshirley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:49 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) What are you, a M$ plant? This is the wrong place to be espousing the value of M$ OS's! Besides, not everybody runs NT anyway. 95/98 DOES crash a lot. 2000 probably will too. -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) -- Boling's postulate: If you're feeling good, don't worry. You'll get over it.
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- Original Message - From: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Oh, everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a "Microsoft plant?" No, I am just an Engineer who has used both since 1993. You're spreading crap and it's UN-professional as well as false. Have you used Windows NT? Have you used Windows 2000 for 6 months as I have? No? THEN DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. I have told you the truth - I have been running for 6 months and instead you choose to believe myths instead of direct experience. You must admit that this is probably not the best place to push MS and its agenda. However, from my perspective, MS and its products just do not perform the way they could/should. And, before you say I know nothing about MS... I have been a beta tester for MS products since Win 95 was called Chicago. I have been to MS offices in Dallas and Seattle.. I have instructor certification from MS. Not just MCSE or MCP, but Instructor certification. I have run most every MS product in existance since 1990. I am a Unix engineer by trade also.. My employer was using NT 4 and IIS as the company web server for all of our web-based products up until very recently.. We switched to Solaris and Netscape Enterprise Server.. The reason for the change? The IIS servers would crash on a regular basis and, when they were up the 3 systems they were running on (Dual P-II 450 Compaq servers) couldnt keep up with the workload. Since switching to NES just over a month ago, we have reached 10,000,000 (Yes, Ten Million) hits per day. with two dual cpu Sun servers. NES has had exactly two problems in the last month and both of those were caused by router failures. You can't blame this on "poorly written software" because we were using Microsoft's own web server. We have MCSE certified engineers on site to handle the configuration of the servers and even MS themselves looked at our configuration and could find no problems with it. The problem is that NT and yes, Win 2k still needs time to mature. It is not ready to be an enterprise level OS. It might be OK for file and print serving, but forget mission-critical applications where a companys future depends on solid, robust, stable performance. I too have run Win2k since the early betas have come out. While I am impressed with the improvements they have made, it still has a way to go before it will be on a level with Solaris or Linux. And, do I run MS operating systems at home? Yes.. I like to watch movies and play games.. Those are 2 things that Linux does not do well at this point.. In time, that will change. And, if you're not completely convinced by my statements, then I ask you why Microsoft themselves could not get their Hotmail service to run on NT and IIS reliably? When they purchased Hotmail, it was running on Solaris and Apache. They tried to cut over, but again IIS and NT could not handle the workload and would not stay up. So, to this day Hotmail still runs on Solaris and Apache. Now, I'm not going to blindly say that Unix/Linux/Solaris never crashes.. They do crash some times.. But their reliability far exceeds that of NT/95/98/Win2k. I'm not "making statements out of my behind either". I have the experience.. I've been there.. I've got the t-shirt. Darin - Sr. Systems Engineer LEXIS-NEXIS My opinions are my own.. Not my emplyers.. So there..
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Its just a joke calm down, Notice I am posting this using Windows 2000 RC2? Jeanette - Original Message - From: "Sam Gentile" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Sam Gentile" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 10:59 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
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mshirley wrote: No, not everybody with a different viewpoint is a 'plant'. But, when you come on a LINUX maillist and defend Microsoft Windows as being so good, it doesn't crash, you are asking for trouble. Have I used NT? YES. I ran it at home for a while, but experienced constant slowdowns and crashes. Our IT department has chosen NT for it's systems, and we have crashes every 3-4 weeks or so. I have built many computers for friends and relatives, using W95/98 including all the latest patches/updates as detailed on Wahlbeems' site. I have to run 95 at home because the wife doesn't get Linux yet. Maybe someday. I have seen CONTINUAL lockups/crashes/memory leaks, and it drives me crazy that I have to pay 90-100 bux every time Bill launches a new 'patch'. I use quality components in my computers, don't overclock, and still have numerous 'crashes' on my systems, friends systems, systems at work that I don't even touch other than to help explain to the other users around here that it's just a fact of life with Windows. Have I used W2K yet? NO! I won't either! I'm done paying Billy boy for crap. -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 2:37 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Oh, everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a "Microsoft plant?" No, I am just an Engineer who has used both since 1993. You're spreading crap and it's UN-professional as well as false. Have you used Windows NT? Have you used Windows 2000 for 6 months as I have? No? THEN DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. I have told you the truth - I have been running for 6 months and instead you choose to believe myths instead of direct experience. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: mshirley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:49 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) What are you, a M$ plant? This is the wrong place to be espousing the value of M$ OS's! Besides, not everybody runs NT anyway. 95/98 DOES crash a lot. 2000 probably will too. -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Flame ON -- Joseph S. Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sam, I was going to stay out of this because I feel any operating system that does the work you want it to do is the one for you. I'm don't carry any bias for one or the other. However, you have lowered yourself to the level of exchanging personal insults rather than meaningful dialogue. Let me be the first to congratulate you on receiving my killfile candidate of the week award. Ken Wilson First Law of Optimisation: The speed of a non-working program is irrelevant (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming') -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sam Gentile Sent: November 5, 1999 1:29 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Well, I have no crashes EVER with either NT 4.0 SP 5 or Windows 2000. Guess you write lousy code or something. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Joseph S. Gardner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 2:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - SNIP So I would caution you to have experience withwhat you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. -- I've been running NT at home for 5 years - and programming M$ stuff even longer does that qualify me as a professional? A reboot is NOT a necessarily a crash, when M$ claims they reduced the number of reboots they mean they reduced the number of times you have to reboot in order for any changes you may have made to the system setup to take effect. I crash my NT box(s - I have 3) a lot, almost on a daily basis and personally cannot wait to rid myself of this virus called windows that I am forced to PAY for every time Bill pulls a "new improved" OS out of his ear. -- Joseph S. Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Pada Jumat, 05 Nov 1999, John Aldrich mengatakan: Keyboard with just three keys -- Control, Alternate and Delete. :-) John so what those all about? (i never use MS Windows) we do have the same combo buttons for linux, right? $ less /etc/inittab --- # Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t3 -r now --- i really want to enjoy that pic too.. so please somebody enlightenment me -- Rib
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On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: Pada Jumat, 05 Nov 1999, John Aldrich mengatakan: Keyboard with just three keys -- Control, Alternate and Delete. :-) John so what those all about? (i never use MS Windows) we do have the same combo buttons for linux, right? $ less /etc/inittab --- # Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t3 -r now --- i really want to enjoy that pic too.. so please somebody enlightenment me Well, the joke (is it really funny if you have to explain it? G) is that those three keys are about the most useful keys you'll find under "desktop" versions of Windows (less needed under Windows NT or possibly Win2K.) John
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IMHO... Sorry I have to agree somewhat with Sam...after all, before Linux had a usable GUI...the only other choice of a workable OS WAS what ever flavor of Microshaft Windows was current. The Win 3.X and Win 9.X have been the staple of mainstream PC user's for many years... BUT Win NT flavours have really ONLY been for Office/Network environs. Yes NT/2000 may be more stable than Win 9X but, also very $$ to keep current. As for me...I have played around with just about every version of Windows...from 2.X to 9.x, and a few NT versions, ALSO OS2/Warp, and now Linux. For all the bellyaching about M$ being a "virus", Bloatware, or whatever else you may call it...alot of you _STILL_ use Win9X on a dual boot...best bang for the buckhands down Linux, support/help available...Linux again. Anyway enuff ranting from me...just my 2 cents worth:) Jaguar "Lyndon Lininger Sr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam I agree with him. What are you doing in this group if you are in love with microcrap? - Original Message - From: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Oh, everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a "Microsoft plant?" No, I am just an Engineer who has used both since 1993. You're spreading crap and it's UN-professional as well as false. Have you used Windows NT? Have you used Windows 2000 for 6 months as I have? No? THEN DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. I have told you the truth - I have been running for 6 months and instead you choose to believe myths instead of direct experience. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: mshirley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:49 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) What are you, a M$ plant? This is the wrong place to be espousing the value of M$ OS's! Besides, not everybody runs NT anyway. 95/98 DOES crash a lot. 2000 probably will too. -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 12:00 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Sam Gentile Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
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(i never use MS Windows) That kinda kills the joke man!;)
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On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: I'm only defending against the stupid lies here and in the Linux community. If you made an argument that Linux is better because that's OK. If you start spreading lies like NT crashes left and right, I know it not to be true. Key phrase there being "I know it not to be true". Another person's truth might be totally different, so to call the statement "NT crashes left and right" a lie might be stepping on someone else's truth. In the case of Windows, it's really a double edged sword. For some people it works wonderfully, for some it works not quite as well. Neither one is a lie, they are just things that different people "know it to be true." I mean, if we want to slam MS more we could tap a keg at the fact that a judge just ruled Microsoft a monopoly. But on the other hand, we could rejoice at the fact that the judge also said that one of the reasons for his ruling of monopoly is that "there is no viable alternative (to Windows on the desktop)"', probably including linux. Again the double edged sword, because this is certainly a statement that many of us linux users "know it NOT to be true" to paraphrase. Personally, i have to go with whoever stated that there is room for both. I use both and im not going to say one is that much better from a pure user standpoint. Yes on the technical level i would have a different opinion, but thats not the point. Some things i just like better under DOS/Win and some under linux. It's a big world, some use one some use the other. It's all good right?? So now back to linux if anyone's read this far. Is there any good DTP software? Something on the order of Publisher? Also, getting back to games (of course!) i saw this post on linuxgames with a list of commercial games available or coming soon. For anyone interested they are: Soldier of Fortune - Soon Heroes of Might and Magic - Soon Hopkins FBI - Now - Requires XFree 3.3 Quake 1 - Now - Requires Mesa 2.4 Quake 2 - Now - Requires Mesa 3.0 Quake 3 - November - Requires Mesa 3.1 or XFree 4.0 Unreal Tournament - November - Requires Glide 2.53 BFRIS - Now - Requires Mesa Descent 3 - Unsupported - Soon - Requires Mesa 3.0 Kingpin - Unsupported - Now - Requires Mesa 3.0 Ultima Online - Unsupported - Requires XFree 3.3 Civilization CTP - Now - Require XFree 3.3 Myth 2 - Now - Requires XFree 3.3 (Mesa 3.0 support soon) Railroad Tycoon - Now - Requires XFree 3.3 Heretic 2 - December - Requires Mesa 3.1 Heavy Gear 2 - January - Requires Mesa 3.1 Eric's Ultimate Solitaire - October - Requires XFree 3.3 Abuse - Free - Now Descent 1 - Now Doom/Doom 2 - Free - Now Heretic 1 - Free - Now - Requires XFree 3.3 Hexen 1 - Free - Now Battlecruiser 3020AD/Millenium - 2000 Neverwinter Nights - 2000 Terminus - 2000 -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) Aggression Takes Its Toll.
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Jaguar wrote: IMHO... Sorry I have to agree somewhat with Sam...after all, before Linux had a usable GUI...the only other choice of a workable OS WAS what ever flavor of Microshaft Windows was current. The Win 3.X and Win 9.X have been the staple You realize that the Linux GUI has been around since before WinNT was even a glimmer in Dave Cutler's eye, right? The X Window System is not something that was created for Linux, it predates it by quite a few years. Beyond that, it's amazing to see that people have been so thoroughly brainwashed by the Microsoft marketing train. Do you really believe that computing didn't exist prior to Microsoft Windows? -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree, there's only two really big reasons why I use NT/98 [I use LINUX MDK 6.0 for rest]. Games - I'm sorry, I know Loki is good but there's still a lot of games that don't work under LINUX. Work - @Work, mandatory NT 4.0 machines -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Warren Doney Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 5:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I Dual boot Mdk a patched to the gills Norton Utilities equipped W98. 98 can be made fairly stable with a little effort. I haven't had a BSOD for at least a week ;-) - plenty of browser crashes though (ISP advice: "have you rebooted? windows just does that sometimes...). I get browser crashes with MDK/Netscape too, but usually Xkill sorts it out (ctrl+alt+ back once or twice). Mandrake 6.1 cost me about US$ 7.50 (inc postage) What will W2k/NTx offer me that M6.1 doesn't? How much does it cost? -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [Oh, everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a "Microsoft plant?" No, I am just an Engineer who has used both since 1993. You're spreading crap and it's UN-professional as well as false. Have you used Windows NT? Have you used Windows 2000 for 6 months as I have? No? THEN DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. I have told you the truth - I have been running for 6 months and instead you choose to believe myths instead of direct experience.
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Sam Gentile wrote: Why are you so black and white? Can't there be room for both? I am in this group because I am also in love and a USER of Mandrake Linux. I'm just not so black and white that there is only one solution. Yea, Linux and BeOS. == [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) running Linux Mandrake 6.1 and/or BeOS.
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Not necessarily to Sam, Sam, it was important that you shared your perspective on this whole thing. I remember the day when I was in the Metro Theatre in Seattle and Bill Gates and wife sat in the same row a few seats from me. I trembled with excitement to be in such close proximity to this person of such great accomplishment importance. This was about five years ago. I doubt that he still frequents that theatre. And since then, I've grown to dislike what M$ has done to the landscape. What used to be a forest is now a prairie with one giant tree. It is a dangerous situation for all of us. Besides, I hated having to stay on hold with M$ Support and then to hear them tell me that I need to contact the Mfg of my PC. Of course, the Mfg referred me back to M$. I still grind my teeth thinking about it. And here I am... getting more help than I can dream of from fellow users. Plus, M$ seems to be more interested in the minute details of your profile than they are helping you. Here's the latest crap experience with M$: I had a problem with Netmeeting V3.0 in that it could not connect to another Netmtg VIA encryption. I was shuffled about and finally ended up at the mercy of a 'high' level tech. We spent no less than 7 hours on the phone over a period of several weeks to find that there is no solution. I was surprised to find that he/they couldn't just walk up to the responsible department and bring it to their attention (my naiveté). He didn't know where, how, what... That was the straw that broke the camel's back. Plus, how often does windows9X lock up on you when you are trying to following the Tech's instructions? So, with Linux I miss things like watching movies and music videos. But I'm for sure glad to be free of the M$ experience. Seve -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 5:34 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I'm only defending against the stupid lies here and in the Linux community. If you made an argument that Linux is better because that's OK. If you start spreading lies like NT crashes left and right, I know it not to be true. We are running a billion dollar business on it. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Sam, why are you defending M$ with so much heart? All issues aside regarding which platform is 'better' and look at the big picture. Do you want your kids' education dictated my M$? How about giving them more than one choice by the time they're old enough? This is partly why I've taken on Linux. M$ has devoured everything in its way (on the old battle field). Remember this rule: You Can't Compete With Your Supplier. Plus, is it not American to support the underdog? Seve -Original Message- From: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 05, 1999 9:39 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) I know this a joke but know what you are talking about before you speak - Windows 2000 is extremely stable and does not require reboots. I have been running it for almost 6 months now as my primary system including using huge server applications like SQL Server 7.0, and other things like Visual Studio 6.0, Borland's JBuilder and IT HAS NOT CRASHED ONCE. NO REBOOTS. The NT Team did an analysis of all situations in which re-boots are required in NT 4.0 and came up with 78 situations. All but three have been eliminated. Change TCP parameters? No reboots. So I would caution you to have experience with what you speak of or you just spreading around crap and FUD and that is un-professional. Sam Gentile Principal Software Engineer Viridien Team Leader toysmart.com 170 High Street Waltham, MA 02454 -Original Message- From: Jeanette Russo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
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On Thu, 04 Nov 1999, you wrote: %_ Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="windows keyboard.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: ROFLMAO :-) This is GOOD!!! :-) John
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Jeanetterotflmao!!! Alan Jeanette Russo wrote: Name: windows keyboard.jpg windows keyboard.jpgType: JPEG Image (image/jpeg) Encoding: base64
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The jpg did not come through here. Do you think anyone wouldcare to send it throuh again? Thanks On Thu, 04 Nov 1999, you wrote: On Thu, 04 Nov 1999, you wrote: %_ Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="windows keyboard.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: ROFLMAO :-) This is GOOD!!! :-) John -- Drew Jackman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ - 20177604
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Oh man was that FUNNYY... I really needed a good laugh. I will printing that and hang it in my office
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Many thanks for the laughs... Jeeez, I'm still laughing each time I look at the picture! Unfortunately half the time, the 3finger salute doesn't even help. With Windows I always rely on my precious Reset button. Hey, make sure the 'expert' list gets a copy of this! Seve
