Re: [newbie] interesting news story
On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 12:34, JoeHill wrote: On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:10:42 -0500 Julie Sloan disseminated the following: Activists Urge Free Open-Source Software http://tinyurl.com/5hezf Now why would those poor starving people want to miss out on this?: http://weblog.infoworld.com/foster/2005/01/28.html#a209 It's not going to matter. MS Windows is going to get pirated no matter what MS does, and it only strengthens the F/OSS stance. -- stephen kuhn mobile: 0410-728-389 illawarra and regional new south wales --- GNU/Linux/OpenSource Solutions and Alternatives 100% Microsoft Free :: Crashing is NOT an option. Registered Linux User # 267497 --- God gives burdens; also shoulders Jimmy Carter cited this Jewish saying in his concession speech at the end of the 1980 election. At least he said it was a Jewish saying; I can't find it anywhere. I'm sure he's telling the truth though; why would he lie about a thing like that? -- Arthur Naiman, Every Goy's Guide to Yiddish Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] interesting news story
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 06:40:16 +1100 Stephen Kühn disseminated the following: Activists Urge Free Open-Source Software http://tinyurl.com/5hezf Now why would those poor starving people want to miss out on this?: http://weblog.infoworld.com/foster/2005/01/28.html#a209 It's not going to matter. MS Windows is going to get pirated no matter what MS does, and it only strengthens the F/OSS stance. ...I think you missed the best part of the article, mate: So we're not talking about people who were trying to rip off Microsoft. Instead, an awful lot of people who paid their money for Windows in good faith are going to discover that somebody along the line - a distributor, a reseller, an OEM -- cheated them. They are just as much victims of the counterfeiters as Microsoft. More actually, because they were in less of a position to defend themselves. Perhaps we should call them Windows' Genuinely Disadvantaged. *That's* what's going to drive people to F/OSS, the fact that not only do they have to contend with malicious script kiddies and the headaches *they* cause, but now MS itself is going to be giving 'honest' people headaches more than their OS already does (if that's possible). But wait, it get's better: http://www.vnunet.com/news/1160791 MS hasn't got a foot left to shoot off, they're up to a messy stump on both legs. Either that or Ballmer is some kind of millipede...hm :-))) -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 17:54:32 up 29 days, 6:34, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.22, 0.27 +++ Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws. -- Amschel Mayer Rothschild, banker Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] interesting news story
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:10:42 -0500 Julie Sloan disseminated the following: Activists Urge Free Open-Source Software http://tinyurl.com/5hezf More related to this on NPR: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4471963 Quote: The government of Brazil says it will switch 300,000 government computers from Microsoft's Windows operating system to open source software like Linux. Microsoft founder Bill Gates wants to meet with Brazil's president to discuss the change. Brazil is dropping all proprietary software. Heh, ol' Billy's feeling the heat :- -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:12:43 up 29 days, 7:52, 8 users, load average: 0.43, 0.19, 0.06 +++ If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. -- Noam Chomsky Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] interesting news story
On the AP today: Activists Urge Free Open-Source Software http://tinyurl.com/5hezf Julie -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] interesting news story
On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 19:10:42 -0500 Julie Sloan disseminated the following: Activists Urge Free Open-Source Software http://tinyurl.com/5hezf Now why would those poor starving people want to miss out on this?: http://weblog.infoworld.com/foster/2005/01/28.html#a209 -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 20:32:10 up 28 days, 9:12, 7 users, load average: 0.14, 0.22, 0.09 +++ He who does not put out his money at interest, and does not take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved. -- Psalm 15 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] interesting feature with sym links and progs
Here's something i didn't know. Apparently, a program can find out what sym link was called to run it: soffice - /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice* spadmin - /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice* If i run soffice, i get soffice. If i run spadmin, i get the printer setup box. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] interesting feature with sym links and progs
Eric Huff wrote: Here's something i didn't know. Apparently, a program can find out what sym link was called to run it: soffice - /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice* spadmin - /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice* If i run soffice, i get soffice. If i run spadmin, i get the printer setup box. eric The first parmiter passed to a program or script is always the program name, with path, if any. Try this script. #!/bin/bash echo $0 Name is anything you like, make it executable, and try calling it using different path names. (./script, /home/mikkel/bin/script, etc) Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] interesting feature with sym links and progs
Here's something i didn't know. Apparently, a program can find out what sym link was called to run it: soffice - /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice* spadmin - /usr/lib/openoffice/program/soffice* If i run soffice, i get soffice. If i run spadmin, i get the printer setup box. The first parmiter passed to a program or script is always the program name, with path, if any. Try this script. #!/bin/bash echo $0 Name is anything you like, make it executable, and try calling it using different path names. (./script, /home/mikkel/bin/script, etc) That is cool. I always muck my way thru bash, but i would like to get more fluent in it... thanks for the further explanation. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting opportunity at Google [OT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 April 2004 16:36, Carroll Grigsby wrote: I've heard of off-shoring, but this is a bit over the top: http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html Please note: This went up on the Google site on April 1. -- cmg :-) Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAdXbikFAvMr/nNX8RApKGAJ0Uc+LL/gQnbSWFSXb2tdWPCDMVWgCfbAHo g79GDH8dJgffoKc/WJGUNEk= =EUTS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting opportunity at Google [OT]
On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 12:36, Carroll Grigsby wrote: I've heard of off-shoring, but this is a bit over the top: http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html Please note: This went up on the Google site on April 1. -- cmg I have to confess...I had applied for that job :-) __ -- josenildo marques icq #289971493 homepage http://cyb.ezdir.net registered linux user #341648 * The gods too are fond of a joke. Aristotle Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting opportunity at Google [OT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Noong Thursday 08 April 2004 23:59, isinulat ni Anne Wilson: On Thursday 08 April 2004 16:36, Carroll Grigsby wrote: I've heard of off-shoring, but this is a bit over the top: http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html Please note: This went up on the Google site on April 1. -- cmg :-) Anne I have submitted my resume! I wonder why are they NOT contacting me yet! ROTFL - -- Arys P. Deloso Home Page: http://arys.deloso.net/ Registered Linux User #345763 (counter.li.org) PGP Key ID: B57512A8 Mandrake Linux 9.2 (FiveStar)KMail/GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAdYygXcm9QrV1EqgRAh9oAJwLhHXUuwNUsB2o8oxjOR2lW2qbYQCfRT6Z GdawvJiO7rOgx6eYBprj7sw= =/Pl2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting opportunity at Google [OT]
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 01:36, Carroll Grigsby wrote: I've heard of off-shoring, but this is a bit over the top: http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html Please note: This went up on the Google site on April 1. -- cmg They told me that since I smoke, I can't submit my resume. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Showing up is 80% of life. -- Woody Allen Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting opportunity at Google [OT]
On Thursday 08 April 2004 03:28 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 01:36, Carroll Grigsby wrote: I've heard of off-shoring, but this is a bit over the top: http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html Please note: This went up on the Google site on April 1. -- cmg They told me that since I smoke, I can't submit my resume. stephen kuhn - owner Admit it, Stephen. It was the requirement about being an earthling that disqualified you. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting opportunity at Google [OT]
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 10:29, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Thursday 08 April 2004 03:28 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 01:36, Carroll Grigsby wrote: I've heard of off-shoring, but this is a bit over the top: http://www.google.com/jobs/lunar_job.html Please note: This went up on the Google site on April 1. -- cmg They told me that since I smoke, I can't submit my resume. stephen kuhn - owner Admit it, Stephen. It was the requirement about being an earthling that disqualified you. -- cmg Ok. Ya pegged me on that note mate. stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- 55. NO! Not _that_ button! --Top 100 things you don't want the sysadmin to say Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Article by Forbes
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:55:04 -0800 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't an executive of CNN/Time Warner describe fast forwarding past the ads as theft? So don't bet on it They will take any means to protect the revinue stream. Dunno if it was that person, but ISTR a bigwig from ABC trying to justify some kind of contractual agreement with the network to watch the commercials if we were to get their programs. -- David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Article by Forbes
On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:19:00 -0800 David E. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:55:04 -0800 [Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ [ [ Didn't an executive of CNN/Time Warner describe fast forwarding[ past the ads as theft? So don't bet on it They will take any[ means to protect the revinue stream. [ [Dunno if it was that person, but ISTR a bigwig from ABC trying to[justify some kind of contractual agreement with the network to watch the[commercials if we were to get their programs. This is what DRM is about protecting their revenue stream. Forget the Artist they have been Fscking them for years If i gave an artist $.10 for a download he would get 5 times more for my download than he would get for the whole album from traditional distribution channels [ [ [ [-- [- ---[David E. Fox Thanks for letting [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk.[ ---[ [ -- __ ( Bingo, gas station, hamburger with a ) ( side order of airplane noise, and) ( you'll be Gary, Indiana. - Jessie in ) ( the movie Greaser's Palace ) -- o ^__^ o (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || || Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Article by Forbes
Aron Smith wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:19:00 -0800 David E. Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:55:04 -0800 [Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ [ [ Didn't an executive of CNN/Time Warner describe fast forwarding[ past the ads as theft? So don't bet on it They will take any[ means to protect the revinue stream. [ [Dunno if it was that person, but ISTR a bigwig from ABC trying to[justify some kind of contractual agreement with the network to watch the[commercials if we were to get their programs. This is what DRM is about protecting their revenue stream. Forget the Artist they have been Fscking them for years If i gave an artist $.10 for a download he would get 5 times more for my download than he would get for the whole album from traditional distribution channels Very true. I remember watching an interview with Marillion, one of the first mainstream bands to cut ties with the record companies and distribute their music online (IIRC most of it was downloadable for free, or you could order CDs). When they were asked about the loss of revenues in royalties, one of them laughed and pointed out that for every CD sold, they used to get about 5p. Sir Robin -- It takes less effort to condemn than to think. - Emma Goldman Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Article by Forbes
On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:39, David E. Fox wrote: snip What's more a crux of this issue ATM is the lawsuit by TiVo against other parties that make similar technology. From what I understand, they claim they invented the idea of playing a show and recording another at the same time -- which IMHO is just a steroid :) example of recording ummmhow about good old VHS? record one channel, watch another? or use 2 VCR's play movie on one, record tv show on another? or before VHS ...BETA how about we go to music toodouble deck tape recorder record music on one tape, while playing from another... Who invented all these??? Just my 2cents worth Shaz Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Interesting Article by Forbes
http://www.forbes.com/infoimaging/free_forbes/2004/0202/092.html Kaj Haulrich. -- ** Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Article by Forbes
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:05:44 + Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: http://www.forbes.com/infoimaging/free_forbes/2004/0202/092.html It gets even more interesting: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/4933/1/ Microsoft wants DRM made mandatory so they can stop projects like these. Fsck 'em. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power-- Benito Mussolini Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Article by Forbes
On Thursday 22 January 2004 23:22, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:05:44 + Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: http://www.forbes.com/infoimaging/free_forbes/2004/0202/092.htm l It gets even more interesting: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/4933/1/ Microsoft wants DRM made mandatory so they can stop projects like these. Fsck 'em. Maybe, but can Microsoft re-write the Constitution of The United States ??? Kaj Haulrich. -- ** Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Article by Forbes
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:39:15 + Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 22 January 2004 23:22, JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:05:44 + Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: http://www.forbes.com/infoimaging/free_forbes/2004/0202/092.htm l It gets even more interesting: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/4933/1/ Microsoft wants DRM made mandatory so they can stop projects like these. they are trying Fsck 'em. Maybe, but can Microsoft re-write the Constitution of The United States ??? Kaj Haulrich. -- ** Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer ** -- _ ( 15:44:27 up 1 day, 23:59, 1 user, load ) ( average: 0.01, 0.05, 0.10 ) - o ^__^ o (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || || Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Article by Forbes
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:39:15 + Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/4933/1/ Microsoft wants DRM made mandatory so they can stop projects like these. Fsck 'em. Maybe, but can Microsoft re-write the Constitution of The United States ??? Already done: the DMCA. I'm not worried, they can put whatever obstacles they want in the way of these projects, there's always a way around. -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ True communication is possible only between equals, because inferiors are more consistently rewarded for telling their superiors pleasant lies than for telling the truth.-- The SNAFU Principle Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Interesting Interview with RMS
Quote: Right now the FCC in the US is considering a proposal to prohibit free software from receiving digital video transmissions. See www.publicknowledge.org. That would be the first ever specific prohibition on free software for a specific job. But there are already laws which have that effect. The US already has the DMCA and software patents. The EU already has the EUCD, which has an effect similar to the DMCA. Additional laws, even worse, are now being proposed. Link: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/?http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/news_story.php?id=52297 Get out there and harrass your elected reps! -- JoeHill ++ ICQ # 280779813 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. -- Jesus Christ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] interesting facts about kernel2.6
Hi guys, I was just reading up on the 2.6 kernel at: http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html And one of the new changes is that in order to use cdrw's you will no longer have to use scsi emulation.. IDE CD/RW drives can now be written to directly through the real IDE disk driver, a much cleaner implementation than before. (Previously, it was required to also use a special SCSI-emulating driver which was confusing and often difficult.) That's gonna make newbie usage much simplier. There is a ton of other cool changes too, you guys should read up on this and see what is comming. regards Franki http://htmlfixit.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] interesting facts about kernel2.6
On Monday July 21 2003 11:36 am, Frankie wrote: Hi guys, I was just reading up on the 2.6 kernel at: http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html and http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10587 Linux appears to be on track with massive revisions and significant advances to be delivered to all of us within about another six months or so, when it's ready. I suspect that'll 1stQ, next year And one of the new changes is that in order to use cdrw's you will no longer have to use scsi emulation.. IDE CD/RW drives can now be written to directly through the real IDE disk driver, a much cleaner implementation than before. (Previously, it was required to also use a special SCSI-emulating driver which was confusing and often difficult.) That's gonna make newbie usage much simplier. There is a ton of other cool changes too, you guys should read up on this and see what is comming. Subscribe to LKML, filter '[PATCH]' posts to trash and read the rest by titles by interest. Makes it manageable. Or just check the archive every once in awhile at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernelr=1w=2 In any event, 2.6 is about six months or more away. Longer than that as the default kernel in a major distro. It'll then just be a .0 kernel, probly not quite mature. Still, I'd advise the adventurous to test it in the meantime. It will require other updates, gcc (downgraded compiler options), modutils, initrd and backward compatibility to 2.4 kernels will be touch an go for a while. 2.6 looks to be a /contrib option in 9.2 ... a test kernel. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] interesting facts about kernel2.6
Some cool things summarised from the below url for people that might not want to wade though it.. (I only picked the onces cool to me.) http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html - Ability to natively mount cifs filesystems (smb extended for 2000, XP+ systems) - No more scsi emulation for CDRW stuff. - Ability to run a virtual linux inside linux for testing.. linux on linux. - Much beter hardware support. - Much much better sound support. - Bluetooth. - much more reliable NFS (ver4). - full software-suspend-to-disk functionality for the Linux user on the go. - Hyperthreading (for the latest P4's). - improved support: webcams, radio and TV adapters, and digital video recorders. - built-in support for Digital Video Broadcasting (DVB) hardware. (tivo like functionality) - Support for systems with multiple AGP cards. - 2.6 now supports Windows' Logical Disk Manager (aka Dynamic Disks) - mount a NTFS volume read/write. (write still experimental, but much better.) Thats all the stuff you may not have heard.. its also apparently faster and more responsive. I can't wait.. Having said all that, from reading this article. I have trouble with the idea that 2.6 would work on a 9.0 or 9.1 system.. there are some fundamental changes in the underlying structure of 2.6 that would require some changes to a 9.1 system before it would work properly. Anyway, I got all excited about this and had to share,, I am seeing someone about this problem and I hope to be able to restrain myself in future. :-) regards Franki http://htmlfixit.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On Sunday 15 Jun 2003 3:13 am, Brian Parish wrote: On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 11:49, JoeHill wrote: WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage. Do you really want to continue (y/n)? no OK, the easiest way to handle this is to boot from the first install CD then type rescue after hitting F1. From there you'll get a menu which allows you to get a console without having your filesystems active. Then you can safely fsck.ext3 /dev/hda6 The correct way is to drop to single user mode with telinit 1. Then unmount /home if it is still mounted read-write. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 08:22:55 -0500 Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Did you rip to wav's or mp3's? I've never had any luck normalizing anything but wav's. I get segfaults and corrupt mp3's trying to normalize them ... just part way thru ; rip to wav. I didn't know normalize would even work on mp3z, I use mp3gain for that. Now, if I try to even list the contents of the dir, the shell freezes, ctrl-c will not get me out. I tried rm -rf ~/mp3/chris, it freezes too, and again I cannot ctrl-c out of it. Same as root, why I thought that would work, I don't know, LOL. Any way out of this? I just want to delete the dir and start over. I cannot even delete the parent dir! Try to delete it with konqueror-super user mode. Sometimes that works when all else fails. You might try Rox or MC also. Everything just froze...ROX could not terminate child process. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 09:32:02 up 10:11, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:10:15 +0100 Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: The correct way is to drop to single user mode with telinit 1. Then unmount /home if it is still mounted read-write. That would have avoided a reboot? In any case, would it have allowed me to simply delete or otherwise dispose of the directory without running fsck? Thanks so much for all the interest guys, that's why I love this place. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 09:36:45 up 10:16, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.01 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On Sunday 15 Jun 2003 2:39 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:10:15 +0100 Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: The correct way is to drop to single user mode with telinit 1. Then unmount /home if it is still mounted read-write. That would have avoided a reboot? Yes. It would probably have maintained the uptime too. In any case, would it have allowed me to simply delete or otherwise dispose of the directory without running fsck? IMHO, you should always fshk first. doing anything with a corrupted filesystem is asking for trouble as it can spread the corruption. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 09:25, JoeHill wrote: Hi all, I ripped some cd tracks to make a cd for a friend chris. I ran normalize -m * in the dir ~/mp3/chris, and it segfaulted part of the way through. Now, if I try to even list the contents of the dir, the shell freezes, ctrl-c will not get me out. I tried rm -rf ~/mp3/chris, it freezes too, and again I cannot ctrl-c out of it. Same as root, why I thought that would work, I don't know, LOL. Any way out of this? I just want to delete the dir and start over. I cannot even delete the parent dir! Any help appreciated, as always. Sounds like the file system is corrupt. Have you tried fsck on this partition? HTH Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On Saturday 14 June 2003 07:25 pm, JoeHill wrote: Any way out of this? I just want to delete the dir and start over. I cannot even delete the parent dir! Any help appreciated, as always. First thing I would do is boot up with wither the rescue cd or something like knoppix and run fsck on the partition in question to make sure the filesystem is not corrupt, or if it is, to fix it. It sounds like the segfault happened in the middle of a write operation that was going on. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On 15 Jun 2003 10:16:29 +1000 Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Sounds like the file system is corrupt. Have you tried fsck on this partition? everything else is fine. only that directory is screwed. I am not familiar with fsck, but from the man page it seems to be a big stick for a little problem. one thing I am not clear on, is there any way like fsck to just apply to the affected directory? -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 20:33:07 up 11 days, 18:36, 5 users, load average: 9.00, 9.00, 8.92 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 10:37, JoeHill wrote: On 15 Jun 2003 10:16:29 +1000 Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Sounds like the file system is corrupt. Have you tried fsck on this partition? everything else is fine. only that directory is screwed. I am not familiar with fsck, but from the man page it seems to be a big stick for a little problem. one thing I am not clear on, is there any way like fsck to just apply to the affected directory? Have you tried to rename that directory, or move the contents of that directory elsewhere, then delete the directory, then recreate the directory and move all the old contents back into it? -- Sun Jun 15 10:55:00 EST 2003 10:55:00 up 1 day, 18:09, 3 users, load average: 0.37, 0.62, 0.62 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Can you imagine how life could be improved if we could do away with jealousy, greed, hate ... It can also be improved by eliminating love, tenderness, sentiment -- the other side of the coin -- Dr. Roger Corby and Kirk, What are Little Girls Made Of?, stardate 2712.4 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On 15 Jun 2003 10:55:46 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Have you tried to rename that directory, or move the contents of that directory elsewhere, then delete the directory, then recreate the directory and move all the old contents back into it? I can rename the dir, but I can't delete, move, or even list the contents of the directory. :( Also, fsck says it only applies to ext2 filesystems, and I'm on ext3. Is that true that it will only check ext2? -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 21:39:52 up 11 days, 19:43, 6 users, load average: 10.15, 9.96, 9.56 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On 15 Jun 2003 10:16:29 +1000 Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Sounds like the file system is corrupt. Have you tried fsck on this partition? hmmm, this does not sound encouraging: fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) e2fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) /dev/hda6 is mounted. WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage. Do you really want to continue (y/n)? no -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 21:48:46 up 11 days, 19:52, 7 users, load average: 10.99, 10.81, 10.17 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:46 pm, JoeHill wrote: On 15 Jun 2003 10:55:46 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Have you tried to rename that directory, or move the contents of that directory elsewhere, then delete the directory, then recreate the directory and move all the old contents back into it? I can rename the dir, but I can't delete, move, or even list the contents of the directory. :( Also, fsck says it only applies to ext2 filesystems, and I'm on ext3. Is that true that it will only check ext2? somebody jump in here but does not ext3fsck work like fsck? -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:49 pm, JoeHill wrote: On 15 Jun 2003 10:16:29 +1000 Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Sounds like the file system is corrupt. Have you tried fsck on this partition? hmmm, this does not sound encouraging: fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) e2fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) /dev/hda6 is mounted. WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage. Do you really want to continue (y/n)? no Rats, I sent before I thought, I was thinking of the e2fsck command. I used it once in the past and all was ok. Mayhap I was just lucky. ??? -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 11:49, JoeHill wrote: On 15 Jun 2003 10:16:29 +1000 Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Sounds like the file system is corrupt. Have you tried fsck on this partition? hmmm, this does not sound encouraging: fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) e2fsck 1.32 (09-Nov-2002) /dev/hda6 is mounted. WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage. Do you really want to continue (y/n)? no OK, the easiest way to handle this is to boot from the first install CD then type rescue after hitting F1. From there you'll get a menu which allows you to get a console without having your filesystems active. Then you can safely fsck.ext3 /dev/hda6 Note that fsck normally lives in /sbin. You may need to explicitly reference that as there will probably be no path set for you. HTH Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:05:33 -0500, Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 14 June 2003 08:46 pm, JoeHill wrote: On 15 Jun 2003 10:55:46 +1000 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Have you tried to rename that directory, or move the contents of that directory elsewhere, then delete the directory, then recreate the directory and move all the old contents back into it? I can rename the dir, but I can't delete, move, or even list the contents of the directory. :( Also, fsck says it only applies to ext2 filesystems, and I'm on ext3. Is that true that it will only check ext2? somebody jump in here but does not ext3fsck work like fsck? Joe, I just looked at man e2fsck looks like it might be what you need for ext3. It Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On 15 Jun 2003 12:13:19 +1000 Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: WARNING!!! Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause SEVERE filesystem damage. Ah, so this is the problem is that fsck is dangerous when run on an active filesystem. OK, the easiest way to handle this is to boot from the first install CD then type rescue after hitting F1. From there you'll get a menu which allows you to get a console without having your filesystems active. Then you can safely fsck.ext3 /dev/hda6 Still seems like an awfully harsh treatment for such a minor problem. It's just one directory out of the whole system, sheesh... I can't believe there's no way to just delete it! How about just fsck.ext3 /home? Thanks for all the help guys! so much for my uptime! :( -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 22:40:49 up 11 days, 20:44, 7 users, load average: 11.00, 11.00, 10.91 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting Dilemma
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 19:25:51 -0400 JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Well, fsck fsck! All I had to do was reboot... damn! I had a good one goin there... 11 days, no problems and then something like normalize brings me down...and from the CLI no less! Oh well, start again :( Thanks for all the suggestions, but the good news is, once again, Linux fixes itself! The files are all still there, gonna delete them just to be safe and start over. Cheers me mateys! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 23:23:58 up 3 min, 1 user, load average: 0.18, 0.25, 0.10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0 (long)
I know where you're coming from Russ. I've been the (unwilling) appointed Fix my computer, please guy in the family/circle of friends. Up until about a month ago I ran a dual boot system which (much to my dismay) ended up being used as a Windows machine. Finally, after having my moments of wanting to throw the computer out the window, I upgraded my hardware and re-installed 9.0 which, for the most part, I'm happy with. (I do agree with some of his points on 9.0's shortcomings but by all means not all... especially his gripe with package selection. If he'd used the full list instead of the groupings he wouldn't have had the problem and it's clearly marked). The learning curve is the issue that is the hardest to deal with when trying to pitch a GNU/Linux distribution. My first home computer was a small keyboard looking thing that had BASIC commands as functions of the keyboard and hooked up to the Television. I've gone through an Atari 5400, a Comodore 64 (still, by all rights a great machine in its time) the introduction of DOS, an Apple IIe, all the way up to modern computers. Though up until the last year and a half or so my *nix experience was VERY LIMITED, I picked up on it fairly quickly for someone steeped in Windows. My whole outlook on computers is that if you don't know how they work, you shouldn't own one, plain and simple, until you LEARN. I don't know how many tech support calls I've received from friends who didn't even know what Windows Explorer was, what a driver was, what a dos prompt was, or even how to empty the recycle bin. On the other hand computers have become ubiquitous in our society and some knowledge of at least how to point and click your way through a basic system is needed, so I've tried to go a little easier on people. Dell, Compaq, HP, Gateway, and the like along with Windows have made it pretty easy to get a pre-installed system and get going which is both good and bad for users. Good because they can use a computer but bad because they don't understand how they do what they do. Herein lies the problem with switching to a *nix system. Even the best graphical system requires at least a basic knowledge of the command line. Mandrake's come SO CLOSE that, IMO it's the only distro I would recommend for a first time user migrating from w32, but I would not recommend it to the lady down the street who still uses a typewriter at work that just got her first machine ( a 500 dollar computer.. that's gotta have GREAT HARDWARE lol). 15 years ago, if Mandrake 9.0 was released, the world would look at Mr. Gates and laugh today because there was still a lot of the command line involved then. GNU/Linux would have soared. It was all a matter of timing. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing to have real ease of use, but it can be detrimental overall when it comes to total knowledge. So the way I deal with it is, when someone wants me to fix their machine I put THEM in front of it. I make THEM fix their machine with my help. This frustrates my friends at first but in the end I have to believe that I've helped them understand computers at least a little more, and many have thanked me for it. One friend is so fed up with Windoze now that she told me when she gets a computer again, she's building it herself, reading up on which hardware she should get, sitting down with me and installing a full Mandrake system... no windows at all. (She was impressed with my machine lol.) It's been a good experience for me too. I used to be quite hard on people who didn't know what they were doing, and I've learned it's better to teach than to critisize. So, in conclusion, in my opinion, this review was poorly written, in bad taste, and detrimental to GNU/Linux. In expecting more from the distribution than from his own knowledge, the author is perpetuating the notion that Linux is hard to learn, hard to use, and hard to adapt to, and that you shouldn't need to have to learn something before you try to use it. It took me YEARS to adapt to Windows from DOS, it took me a couple months to adapt to GNU/Linux. Sorry for the novel. Jerry. On 05 Jan 2003 09:11:38 -0800 Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a definite newbie to the world of Linux. I have tinkered with it in the past but always had issues that prevented me from fully jumping on board. I have been dealing with Windows since I got into computers in the early 90's. I am the guy that my friends (and their friends) call when there windows computer goes haywire (free tech support). I am no expert on Windows but I can find my way around and fix many of the common problems that pop up. I have helped friends (and myself) reinstall windows more times than I care to remember. I said the above just to show you that I am actually qualified to jump in on this thread. I bought a new hard drive for the purposes of tackling Linux again (with Mandrake9). I wanted a dual boot
Re: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0 (long)
On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 12:23 pm, Jerry wrote: My whole outlook on computers is that if you don't know how they work, you shouldn't own one, plain and simple, until you LEARN. So do you own a car? Can you pull it apart to the last screw/rivit and re-build it? Can you diagnose every smallest unusual sound? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0 (long)
On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:26:02 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 12:23 pm, Jerry wrote: My whole outlook on computers is that if you don't know how they work, you shouldn't own one, plain and simple, until you LEARN. So do you own a car? Can you pull it apart to the last screw/rivit and re-build it? Can you diagnose every smallest unusual sound? Anne Now i didn't mean know everything .. and my wording didn't come out quite like i meant... but I'll give you a point for it, ya got me. sorry i've been up all night fixing someone else's computers again and im a little aggrevated. LOL. (I should have said WAS... that was more what i meant. We Sagittarians tend to speak before wholly thinking something out :-P). As I was trying to explain further on (unsuccessfully, i guess) is that I've more patience now with ppl who don't understand which i didn't before. As for a direct answer to the question posed, I understand enough about one to know how it works, which is what I meant about computers. But what the heck... i'm a good sport. :-) Anne 1 Jerry 0 LOL. take care. Jerry. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0 (long)
On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 2:50 pm, Jerry wrote: On Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:26:02 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 12:23 pm, Jerry wrote: My whole outlook on computers is that if you don't know how they work, you shouldn't own one, plain and simple, until you LEARN. So do you own a car? Can you pull it apart to the last screw/rivit and re-build it? Can you diagnose every smallest unusual sound? Anne Now i didn't mean know everything .. and my wording didn't come out quite like i meant... but I'll give you a point for it, ya got me. sorry i've been up all night fixing someone else's computers again and im a little aggrevated. LOL. (I should have said WAS... that was more what i meant. We Sagittarians tend to speak before wholly thinking something out :-P). As I was trying to explain further on (unsuccessfully, i guess) is that I've more patience now with ppl who don't understand which i didn't before. As for a direct answer to the question posed, I understand enough about one to know how it works, which is what I meant about computers. But what the heck... i'm a good sport. :-) Anne 1 Jerry 0 LOL. take care. Jerry. I understand what you mean, Jerry. It's so frustrating when someone asks for help over the phone, you say open Explorer, they say What do you mean? And yes, you get fed up with being responsible for fixing hardware that is getting less and less reliable with age, and you wouldn't even attempt what they were asking if it were yours. Just save your sanity - for some people it is merely a tool, and they just want it to work like an electric kettle. The fact that it's more complicated is not relevant to them. One said to me, I don't have to understand the physics involved to use a hammer, and that's just about it. For some of us, understanding more is an obsession, for others it's a time-waster. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0 (long)
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Jerry wrote: So, in conclusion, in my opinion, this review was poorly written, in bad taste, and detrimental to GNU/Linux. In expecting more from the distribution than from his own knowledge, the author is perpetuating the notion that Linux is hard to learn, hard to use, and hard to adapt to, and that you shouldn't need to have to learn something before you try to use it. It took me YEARS to adapt to Windows from DOS, it took me a couple months to adapt to GNU/Linux. Sorry for the novel. Jerry. I thought it was pretty fair. I, too, know about the full list, and was surprised that he didn't, but it seems to me Mandrake should TELL the user that only the alpha selection is complete. With choice comes confusion, and we accent the benefits of the former by minimizing the latter. Should we really expect the newbies to have to figure it all out like we did? Must they walk 20 miles to school through the snow (like my Dad said he did)? There were things I disagreed with in his review but I didn't think he was going out of his way to be unfair. Remember, he LIKED 8.2. Maybe he'll also like 9.1 and/or 9.2 as well. Mandrake would do well to listen to this kind of constructive, sympathetic review. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0
On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 7:54 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Hate to say, told y'all so, but once again, someone else agrees and has come to the same conclusion...and they're paid for it... http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=189 I'm getting 'cannot resolve ofb.biz' or 'ofb.biz not found' Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0
Me too, but I tried it again later and it's working now. I'm sorry I read it though. The best part for me was reading the responses to his article. ;) ~Brandon Kernel Version 5.00.2195 DOGBOY has been up for: 8 day(s), 10 hour(s), 59 minute(s), 5 second(s) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 2:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0 On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 7:54 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Hate to say, told y'all so, but once again, someone else agrees and has come to the same conclusion...and they're paid for it... http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=189 I'm getting 'cannot resolve ofb.biz' or 'ofb.biz not found' Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0
I am a definite newbie to the world of Linux. I have tinkered with it in the past but always had issues that prevented me from fully jumping on board. I have been dealing with Windows since I got into computers in the early 90's. I am the guy that my friends (and their friends) call when there windows computer goes haywire (free tech support). I am no expert on Windows but I can find my way around and fix many of the common problems that pop up. I have helped friends (and myself) reinstall windows more times than I care to remember. I said the above just to show you that I am actually qualified to jump in on this thread. I bought a new hard drive for the purposes of tackling Linux again (with Mandrake9). I wanted a dual boot system (Win98 MD9). My windows partition is still not up and running (no sound, no Internet, video in basic mode). Mandrake9 was up and running within 5 min after install (it took me that long to find the papers that had my mail setting and computer name - cable internet connection). Now you tell me which was easier to install? The problem comes from the steep learning curve from Win to Linux. As I get into it again, some of it is coming back to me. I still have a long way to go to be as efficient in Linux as I am in Windows. I do know that I want to get away from Windows altogether. The way things look so far, it looks like I may be able to with MD9. So I plug away. First order of business is to tackle wine. I can say that if Linux continues to mature as it has and MS continues their idiotic policies, more of us will join you. Do not be afraid of a less than perfect review. Jump for joy for a favorable one. You are gaining ground. Russ On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 04:52, Anne Wilson wrote: Of course some of the problems come from the fact that everything changes so fast in Linux. We are all hungry for the latest and greatest 'improvements'. There's nothing stopping us from taking an earlier version, but do we? As I have said before, getting x.0 of anything is almost bound to have issues. On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 10:37 am, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: Me too, but I tried it again later and it's working now. I'm sorry I read it though. The best part for me was reading the responses to his article. ;) Some of them amazed me - some made me angry. In the first place I think people do discount how long it took to get windows expertise. More important than that, I do wonder about some of these self-styled experts. To state that it was necessary to use an Expert install in order to keep his partitions is blatant b***sh**. Many other comments suggest to me that the user is not prepared to learn anything, wants everything on a plate. OK - but accept that you have no control at all if you do. I have long held that a newbie to windows gets a pc with windows installed. He has no choice, and the limited choice available to him is not apparent unless he takes the trouble to learn about it - and many do not. The reviewer is right that those initial problems are tackled by vendors or geeky relatives/friends. The main difference with linux is that the user is unlikely, in many instances, to be offered it by the vendor, and by the numbers game, unlikely to have friends/relatives sufficiently expert to want to be responsible for his system. I'm not pleading perfection in 9.0. nor for that matter in Mandrake, and I know there is a need to have a need-list (re fixes or improvements) as well as a wish-list (by which I mean the less urgent). It made interesting reading, though, even if I did keep thinking 'funny, I didn't get that problem'. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0
On Sunday 05 January 2003 12:11 pm, Russ wrote: I am a definite newbie to the world of Linux. I have tinkered with it in the past but always had issues that prevented me from fully jumping on board. I have been dealing with Windows since I got into computers in the early 90's. I am the guy that my friends (and their friends) call when there windows computer goes haywire (free tech support). I am no expert on Windows but I can find my way around and fix many of the common problems that pop up. I have helped friends (and myself) reinstall windows more times than I care to remember. I said the above just to show you that I am actually qualified to jump in on this thread. I bought a new hard drive for the purposes of tackling Linux again (with Mandrake9). I wanted a dual boot system (Win98 MD9). My windows partition is still not up and running (no sound, no Internet, video in basic mode). Mandrake9 was up and running within 5 min after install (it took me that long to find the papers that had my mail setting and computer name - cable internet connection). Now you tell me which was easier to install? The problem comes from the steep learning curve from Win to Linux. As I get into it again, some of it is coming back to me. I still have a long way to go to be as efficient in Linux as I am in Windows. I do know that I want to get away from Windows altogether. The way things look so far, it looks like I may be able to with MD9. So I plug away. First order of business is to tackle wine. I can say that if Linux continues to mature as it has and MS continues their idiotic policies, more of us will join you. Do not be afraid of a less than perfect review. Jump for joy for a favorable one. You are gaining ground. Russ On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 04:52, Anne Wilson wrote: Of course some of the problems come from the fact that everything changes so fast in Linux. We are all hungry for the latest and greatest 'improvements'. There's nothing stopping us from taking an earlier version, but do we? As I have said before, getting x.0 of anything is almost bound to have issues. On Sunday 05 Jan 2003 10:37 am, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: Me too, but I tried it again later and it's working now. I'm sorry I read it though. The best part for me was reading the responses to his article. ;) Some of them amazed me - some made me angry. In the first place I think people do discount how long it took to get windows expertise. More important than that, I do wonder about some of these self-styled experts. To state that it was necessary to use an Expert install in order to keep his partitions is blatant b***sh**. Many other comments suggest to me that the user is not prepared to learn anything, wants everything on a plate. OK - but accept that you have no control at all if you do. I have long held that a newbie to windows gets a pc with windows installed. He has no choice, and the limited choice available to him is not apparent unless he takes the trouble to learn about it - and many do not. The reviewer is right that those initial problems are tackled by vendors or geeky relatives/friends. The main difference with linux is that the user is unlikely, in many instances, to be offered it by the vendor, and by the numbers game, unlikely to have friends/relatives sufficiently expert to want to be responsible for his system. I'm not pleading perfection in 9.0. nor for that matter in Mandrake, and I know there is a need to have a need-list (re fixes or improvements) as well as a wish-list (by which I mean the less urgent). It made interesting reading, though, even if I did keep thinking 'funny, I didn't get that problem'. Anne I agree with Russ and like Russ I am the one that family and friends call for Windows support. I was a die-hard if somewhat disgruntled Windows fan until XP and Palladium started to hit the news. I am now completely off of Windows on my computer (my wife and sons are a different story). The learning curve is steep but in part because I keep wanting to look at things in a Windows fashion. I am becoming more comfortable and somewhat more proficient with Linux. I have SAMBA, VNC, WINE, CROSSOVER (demo for the moment) installed and have loved every minute of the learning experience (even the exasperating times). Course, I have bought 3 books on the subject matter and need to buy at least one more. Linux is reaching a point that the slightly above average computer user can now learn what to do and how to do it. The news articles are encouraging. And I honestly believe (because I know that I have), its the support people that are/will have a grassroots impact on the way people are thinking about the Linux distros. Sorry, on my Linux soapbox... David Williams -- -- ( )_( ) ( OO ) ( ) o Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0
Hate to say, told y'all so, but once again, someone else agrees and has come to the same conclusion...and they're paid for it... http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=189 -- Sun Jan 5 18:50:00 EST 2003 6:50pm up 21:58, 6 users, load average: 0.91, 0.65, 0.67 kuhn media australia - kma.0catch.com - stephen kuhn - katherine kuhn - berkeley, nsw, au email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 5483808 - mobile: 0410-728-389 -PC/Mac/Linux/Consulting/eMarketing- * linux user: 267497 * rh 7.3+ * Reality is nothing but a collective hunch. -- Lily Tomlin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
I was seriously considering buying a Mac until I watched his address. Sure, OSX looks cool, but I have a feeling there are a lot of hidden costs waiting down the road. I'm really happy with Mandrake Linux, and you can't beat the price and the support community. I wouldn't even be surprised to see the Mac fanatics defect at some point. Cheers, Todd Do you not find L-M to be expensive down the road? I am psyched about Linux, but frustrated that I have to go without updates that could really help me just because the new ..? the cat suddenly jumped in and punched 'send' before he could finish! Damian -- Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
I read an article recently that suggested that Apple might soon be offering a Intel version of a Mac.. and it wouldn't be hard due to what OSX is actually based on (darwin), to actually do it. The suggestion was that low end mac's would sport Intel CPU's but now doubt Apple would make it impossible to load OSX on anything not Apple, they would just make it so people could load windows on their mac if they were not happy with OSX... it was suggested that this is how they would start luring more windozee users over to Mac... interesting thought, wonder how it will pan out. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Todd Slater Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:10 AM To: newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision. On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:02:09 +0800 frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am so sick of crashes and sh!t, and the crap M$ are handing out to people to blind or stupid to realise that what they have been handed is brown, mushy and doesn't smell that hot.. If they think they are in trouble now, wait till they crush their own illusion that people own their windows operating system by introducing their subscription model as their main license.. then people will flock to *nix and macs like never before... I desperatly want that to happen, because once all the commercial companies start releasing their versions for linux (and driver support etc.) then the freefall will begin.. the masses will swarm linux and by then it will be more intuitative then ever and people will be saying Bill who??? anyway, enough raving, I've gone and stayed up all night again surfing the net.. time for bed. rgds frank I watched Steve Jobs keynote address from Mac World in streaming mpeg4 with AAC audio on QuickTime 6, and if it hadn't been for the eye candy, I could have sworn I was watching an M$ show. The new Mac business model looks a lot like the M$ model--moving to subscription services (that were once free). I guess Mac OSX users are especially pissed that they will have to pay full price for Jaguar (or, Jagwire as Steve says). To stay current with Mac OS would have involved several pricey upgrades in a short time. I was seriously considering buying a Mac until I watched his address. Sure, OSX looks cool, but I have a feeling there are a lot of hidden costs waiting down the road. I'm really happy with Mandrake Linux, and you can't beat the price and the support community. I wouldn't even be surprised to see the Mac fanatics defect at some point. Cheers, Todd -- Todd Slater Not currently listening to tunes There is no human reason why a child should not admire and emulate his teacher's ability to do sums, rather than the village bum's ability to whittle sticks and smoke cigarettes. The reason why the child does not is plain enough - the bum has put himself on an equality with him and the teacher has not. (Floyd Dell) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
yeah, I read that last night while looking into my problem.. but the thing they mention in the end, is that even if that program does allow you to load service packs without agreeing to the license, the service pack will still start your machine sending stuff to Microsoft... and that annoys me, I am tempted to install Zone alarm on that machine and see just what it is that sends the stuff to M$ and block it.. but knowing them, it'll be internet explorer or something... (spose I could load Mozilla onto the machine, but then I couldnt' use windows update at all.) its a lose lose scenario... I hate the B@$stards. Judge Jackson had the right idea, split the OS Microsoft up from the IE and Office etc.. software M$, and make it hard for the OS M$ to do deals with the others.. why it got canned is beyond me.. in the end that would help them more then hinder them. bad JokeIf Osama had to send jets to crash into something, why couldn't it have been in Redmond. /bad Joke rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision. On Thursday August 15 2002 06:02 pm, frankie wrote: yeah, someone gave me a cracked corp copy of XP, and I wanted to know how/if it worked, so I installed it.. now my legit win2000pro machine on my network, and my XP machine, (no longer with the cracked version) both find No updates in windows update, even though this time last month, there were a heap of them, including .NET stuff etc.. So I can only assume that M$ has my static IP in a database somewhere and has locked me out of windows update regardless of what OS I have.. (although it did work with a 98SE machine I setup for a friend. (also legit.) (I'm gonna try going through an annonomiser proxy next and see if that works.) http://www.theregus.com/content/4/25996.html might help, I dunno, I haven't given Billy a nickel in a long time. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
I am annoyed with mandrake 8.2 right now, I ran MandrakeUpdate and it told me I had to update some security and bugfix updates, and when I tried to, it wanted to upgrade what amounts to most of my system, including perl, gimp and a ton of other big apps,, and I have no idea why... so I upgraded nothing and I will wait for 9 to come out.. in the mean time I have closed all services to the outside. One thing you can say for M$, they make software that has loads of bugs, but their patches cause far less hassle then Mandrakes.. (I know some have caused errors, but the numbers are smallish...) the most annoying thing about M$ updates is that they ususally result in a reboot... but at least they don't require that you update a dozen apps to fix one issue... I can't afford to waste my limited expensive bandwidth downloading 80mb of dependencies that break when you download a mandrake security or bug fix. Its a shame Someone hasn't released a diff that works on a compiled binary.. how knows, maybe someday... rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Isaac Curtis Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision. (response below) I watched Steve Jobs keynote address from Mac World in streaming mpeg4 with AAC audio on QuickTime 6, and if it hadn't been for the eye candy, I could have sworn I was watching an M$ show. The new Mac business model looks a lot like the M$ model--moving to subscription services (that were once free). I guess Mac OSX users are especially pissed that they will have to pay full price for Jaguar (or, Jagwire as Steve says). To stay current with Mac OS would have involved several pricey upgrades in a short time. I was seriously considering buying a Mac until I watched his address. Sure, OSX looks cool, but I have a feeling there are a lot of hidden costs waiting down the road. I'm really happy with Mandrake Linux, and you can't beat the price and the support community. I wouldn't even be surprised to see the Mac fanatics defect at some point. Cheers, Todd Do you not find L-M to be expensive down the road? I am psyched about Linux, but frustrated that I have to go without updates that could really help me just because the new Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
frankie wrote: Its a shame Someone hasn't released a diff that works on a compiled binary.. Well, rsync can handle that, depending on how widespread the changes are. Try looking at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/Rsync. Debian uses rsync as the primary method for downloading and updating the distro (IIUC). Mandrake would probably have to make some changes to use rsync instead of ftp (or whatever they do use) in their automatic update system, but it could be worth it to us (the downloaders). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:50:29 +0800 frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, I thought it was cool too.. (I saw it myself last night when search for onfo on the SP1 for XP and the SP3 for 2000. so you can install the SP, but the SP is still going to send info to M$, so it makes little difference really. rgds Frank h... true, true, you're right.. Damian -- Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my disk? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Interesting comparision.
Has anyone noticed how XP doesn't have scandisk like previous versions of Winblows? instead they have chkdsk, which when running in write mode can only run when the drive has nothing else running... (ie at boot do it can dismount the drive if necessary.. sound familiar? they are now doing it the same way fsck does.. how interesting is that.. just thought I'd pipe up with that, sorry, I'll try to keep my outbursts down to a minimium... :-) rgds Frank Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
On Thursday August 15 2002 01:32 pm, frankie wrote: Has anyone noticed how XP doesn't have scandisk like previous versions of Winblows? instead they have chkdsk, which when running in write mode can only run when the drive has nothing else running... (ie at boot do it can dismount the drive if necessary.. sound familiar? they are now doing it the same way fsck does.. how interesting is that.. Winblows always use to have 'chkdsk' which could only be run in DOS, before the win9x versions began sporting 'scandisk'. To this day, the DOS version of scandisk, /c/windows/command/scandisk.exe, and uses /c/windows/command/chkdsk.exe (that's from my W98 install and'a 'locate' from Linux, so forgive the 'backward' foward slashes ;), does a more thorough (also potentially more dangerous to non-M$ partitions) check/fix than the versions that can run under their bloaty GUI. You have to hack win9x/ME a touch to get to the underlying pure DOS tho. Same for their Registry fix/compress tools (scanreg /fix, scanreg /opt). M$ just keeps tryin harder an' harder to hide 'em from users 'cause can they can fsck up (both M$ and their users ;) So I don't believe they're now doin it, sounds more like business as usual or a regression (innnovation in M$peak) to me specially since they keep wanna stickin with proprietary file systems that suck, only improvement are that M$ continues to make them more proprietary. So I guess there's nothin new at all ;) Well, 'cept for needin to agree to give M$ root class privledges to your software, and rights to your personal information and some other user concessions just so you can apply their bug fix service packs to w2K or XP. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
yeah, someone gave me a cracked corp copy of XP, and I wanted to know how/if it worked, so I installed it.. now my legit win2000pro machine on my network, and my XP machine, (no longer with the cracked version) both find No updates in windows update, even though this time last month, there were a heap of them, including .NET stuff etc.. So I can only assume that M$ has my static IP in a database somewhere and has locked me out of windows update regardless of what OS I have.. (although it did work with a 98SE machine I setup for a friend. (also legit.) (I'm gonna try going through an annonomiser proxy next and see if that works.) I think its time software became a possession, like a car, your PC's hardware your lounge etc.. instead of a lease. (which it more or less is now.) if I paid for it, I should own those binaries... and can do with them what I like. (with the exception of replicating them and selling the replicants.) (I'm talking about no source commercial software, not open source) Does anyone find it ironic that M$ chose the service packs to change the license agreement ?? they now give themselves the right to have your PC send them your product ID and other info if you accept the license on loading the service pack. I hope mdk9 rules, because I want to ditch all copies of winblows 2000/XP and just keep a win98SE machine around (or win4lin and run it in linux) for those things that just need winblows for now... I am so sick of crashes and sh!t, and the crap M$ are handing out to people to blind or stupid to realise that what they have been handed is brown, mushy and doesn't smell that hot.. If they think they are in trouble now, wait till they crush their own illusion that people own their windows operating system by introducing their subscription model as their main license.. then people will flock to *nix and macs like never before... I desperatly want that to happen, because once all the commercial companies start releasing their versions for linux (and driver support etc.) then the freefall will begin.. the masses will swarm linux and by then it will be more intuitative then ever and people will be saying Bill who??? anyway, enough raving, I've gone and stayed up all night again surfing the net.. time for bed. rgds frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 6:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision. On Thursday August 15 2002 01:32 pm, frankie wrote: Has anyone noticed how XP doesn't have scandisk like previous versions of Winblows? instead they have chkdsk, which when running in write mode can only run when the drive has nothing else running... (ie at boot do it can dismount the drive if necessary.. sound familiar? they are now doing it the same way fsck does.. how interesting is that.. Winblows always use to have 'chkdsk' which could only be run in DOS, before the win9x versions began sporting 'scandisk'. To this day, the DOS version of scandisk, /c/windows/command/scandisk.exe, and uses /c/windows/command/chkdsk.exe (that's from my W98 install and'a 'locate' from Linux, so forgive the 'backward' foward slashes ;), does a more thorough (also potentially more dangerous to non-M$ partitions) check/fix than the versions that can run under their bloaty GUI. You have to hack win9x/ME a touch to get to the underlying pure DOS tho. Same for their Registry fix/compress tools (scanreg /fix, scanreg /opt). M$ just keeps tryin harder an' harder to hide 'em from users 'cause can they can fsck up (both M$ and their users ;) So I don't believe they're now doin it, sounds more like business as usual or a regression (innnovation in M$peak) to me specially since they keep wanna stickin with proprietary file systems that suck, only improvement are that M$ continues to make them more proprietary. So I guess there's nothin new at all ;) Well, 'cept for needin to agree to give M$ root class privledges to your software, and rights to your personal information and some other user concessions just so you can apply their bug fix service packs to w2K or XP. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:02:09 +0800 frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I am so sick of crashes and sh!t, and the crap M$ are handing out to people to blind or stupid to realise that what they have been handed is brown, mushy and doesn't smell that hot.. If they think they are in trouble now, wait till they crush their own illusion that people own their windows operating system by introducing their subscription model as their main license.. then people will flock to *nix and macs like never before... I desperatly want that to happen, because once all the commercial companies start releasing their versions for linux (and driver support etc.) then the freefall will begin.. the masses will swarm linux and by then it will be more intuitative then ever and people will be saying Bill who??? anyway, enough raving, I've gone and stayed up all night again surfing the net.. time for bed. rgds frank I watched Steve Jobs keynote address from Mac World in streaming mpeg4 with AAC audio on QuickTime 6, and if it hadn't been for the eye candy, I could have sworn I was watching an M$ show. The new Mac business model looks a lot like the M$ model--moving to subscription services (that were once free). I guess Mac OSX users are especially pissed that they will have to pay full price for Jaguar (or, Jagwire as Steve says). To stay current with Mac OS would have involved several pricey upgrades in a short time. I was seriously considering buying a Mac until I watched his address. Sure, OSX looks cool, but I have a feeling there are a lot of hidden costs waiting down the road. I'm really happy with Mandrake Linux, and you can't beat the price and the support community. I wouldn't even be surprised to see the Mac fanatics defect at some point. Cheers, Todd -- Todd Slater Not currently listening to tunes There is no human reason why a child should not admire and emulate his teacher's ability to do sums, rather than the village bum's ability to whittle sticks and smoke cigarettes. The reason why the child does not is plain enough - the bum has put himself on an equality with him and the teacher has not. (Floyd Dell) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
On Thursday August 15 2002 06:02 pm, frankie wrote: yeah, someone gave me a cracked corp copy of XP, and I wanted to know how/if it worked, so I installed it.. now my legit win2000pro machine on my network, and my XP machine, (no longer with the cracked version) both find No updates in windows update, even though this time last month, there were a heap of them, including .NET stuff etc.. So I can only assume that M$ has my static IP in a database somewhere and has locked me out of windows update regardless of what OS I have.. (although it did work with a 98SE machine I setup for a friend. (also legit.) (I'm gonna try going through an annonomiser proxy next and see if that works.) http://www.theregus.com/content/4/25996.html might help, I dunno, I haven't given Billy a nickel in a long time. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
(response below) I watched Steve Jobs keynote address from Mac World in streaming mpeg4 with AAC audio on QuickTime 6, and if it hadn't been for the eye candy, I could have sworn I was watching an M$ show. The new Mac business model looks a lot like the M$ model--moving to subscription services (that were once free). I guess Mac OSX users are especially pissed that they will have to pay full price for Jaguar (or, Jagwire as Steve says). To stay current with Mac OS would have involved several pricey upgrades in a short time. I was seriously considering buying a Mac until I watched his address. Sure, OSX looks cool, but I have a feeling there are a lot of hidden costs waiting down the road. I'm really happy with Mandrake Linux, and you can't beat the price and the support community. I wouldn't even be surprised to see the Mac fanatics defect at some point. Cheers, Todd Do you not find L-M to be expensive down the road? I am psyched about Linux, but frustrated that I have to go without updates that could really help me just because the new Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting FAQ
On Sun, 2002-03-24 at 16:21, civileme wrote: This is now outdated slightly, but still contains information that was true in late 2000 though it has been superceded by information generally more favorable to GNU/linux and the Open Source business models today. The one area is business models. Some folks have decided since the dot coms went down and took confidence in Silicon valey with them, that the backlash of that into linux is proof that none of the open-source business models work, sidestepping the fact that the closed source linux companies have either lost money on linux and made money on other operations or have had to have a fairly hefty ($45 million) bail-out by some who depend on them for linux systems services. So is born the more modern FUD that linux can't survive as long as its code base is free. As a matter of fact, the Silicon Valley depression is affecting all companies dealing with computers to a greater or lesser degree, and those who have never been starving are dealing less well with it than those who know how to cut costs. http://fud-counter.nl.linux.org/fud-faq.html#0 Civileme Read the FAQ then decide for yourselves which posts here might qualify as FUD. Checking it out now. Thanks-- LX _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Interesting FAQ
This is now outdated slightly, but still contains information that was true in late 2000 though it has been superceded by information generally more favorable to GNU/linux and the Open Source business models today. The one area is business models. Some folks have decided since the dot coms went down and took confidence in Silicon valey with them, that the backlash of that into linux is proof that none of the open-source business models work, sidestepping the fact that the closed source linux companies have either lost money on linux and made money on other operations or have had to have a fairly hefty ($45 million) bail-out by some who depend on them for linux systems services. So is born the more modern FUD that linux can't survive as long as its code base is free. As a matter of fact, the Silicon Valley depression is affecting all companies dealing with computers to a greater or lesser degree, and those who have never been starving are dealing less well with it than those who know how to cut costs. http://fud-counter.nl.linux.org/fud-faq.html#0 Civileme Read the FAQ then decide for yourselves which posts here might qualify as FUD. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Interesting Web access_log
Where do these entries come from? localhost.localdomain - - [10/Jan/2002:18:19:36 -0500] GET /cgi-bin/mgetmetar.pl?=KATL HTTP/1.0 404 313 - gnome-vfs/1.0.2 localhost.localdomain - - [10/Jan/2002:19:30:35 -0500] GET /cgi-bin/mgetmetar.pl?=KATL HTTP/1.0 404 313 - gnome-vfs/1.0.2 localhost.localdomain - - [10/Jan/2002:20:10:35 -0500] GET /backend/fm.rdf HTTP/1.0 404 307 - gnome-vfs/1.0.2 localhost.localdomain - - [10/Jan/2002:21:40:36 -0500] GET /backend/fm.rdf HTTP/1.0 404 307 - gnome-vfs/1.0.2 I get these every few hours.. -- http://ld.net/?nswint Registered Linux User Number 254358 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting stuff about XP
Yes, this is Bill's way of saying: no more than 3 children per family. grin --- Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys and Gals,, Did you people know that XP home will only network with 5 PC's peer to peer, ?? it doesn't support domain networking at all and has a maximium of 5 PC's it can network with... snip __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Interesting stuff about XP
Hi Guys and Gals,, Did you people know that XP home will only network with 5 PC's peer to peer, ?? it doesn't support domain networking at all and has a maximium of 5 PC's it can network with... I just saw this in an M$ email (directly from M$)... == Important Notice: No Domain support in Windows XP Home edition Windows XP Home edition is designed exclusively for home use. As such it enables peer-to-peer networking for a maximum of 5 PCs, but DOES NOT support centralized, domain-based networking. Windows XP Professional is designed for businesses of all sizes and is required for a PC to connect to a domain. In addition, the Professional edition provides a number of important features for business in areas of mobile computing and business-class security. To ensure customer satisfaction, only propose Windows XP Professional for small business, government, schools and corporate customers. For more information on important differences between the Home and Professional === Thought you guys might find that interesting if you are setting up a samba network at home and want to use a domain name setup... with XP Home, you can't. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Cox Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2001 12:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] How do I release my IP number? On Tuesday, Oct 23, 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This question is directed to Paul Cox, and is completely unrelated to the original topic. I am sending thought the mailing list since someone maybe wondering the same thing. My question is about the kernel and uptime on Paul's signature, I assume that is generated automatically (don't think anyone would go through the trouble to add and update it every time a message is sent 8) ). Is that done with a certain mail client or it can be done with any mail client? and how? TIA. I think you emailed me about this, but I accidently deleted your message. =) Anyway, it's a perl script that appends it to my .signature file, and then that's piped into my mail client's signature (I use Mutt). It's easier than it sounds. The original script (attached as uptime.bak.pl) I got from Vincent Danen. I then modified it (attached as uptime.pl) to make it display a little differently. It can also write out the completed sig to a file, but that's currently commented out, so you'll have to uncomment it. Then you can just run it in a cron job every 5 mintues or something. Oh, and my setting for Mutt (to be but in your muttrc): set signature='~/bin/uptime.pl ~/.signature|' If you have any other questions, just let me know. -- Paul Cox paul at coxcentral dot com Kernel: 2.4.8-26mdk - Uptime: 2 days 22 hours 42 minutes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Interesting problem with Webmin
I'm experiencing a fairly weird problem with webmin ... When I connect to my computer @ work (LM 8.0) from my computer @ home (also LM 8.0) via Webmin, I am unable to connect to it, regardless of who I try to log in as. If I were to roll my chair across the room and get on my wife's windows PC, I can access my work computer just fine. I am using https instead of http like I'm supposed to. Any thoughts? -- Terry Sheltra PC Technician/Asst. Network Administrator University of Virginia School of Architecture 434.982.3047 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Registered Linux User # 218330
FW: [newbie] Interesting problem with Webmin
Turn off the proxy server on the computer that can't connect. rgds frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Terry Sent: Wednesday, 25 July 2001 11:37 PM To: Linux Mandrake Newbie List Subject: [newbie] Interesting problem with Webmin I'm experiencing a fairly weird problem with webmin ... When I connect to my computer @ work (LM 8.0) from my computer @ home (also LM 8.0) via Webmin, I am unable to connect to it, regardless of who I try to log in as. If I were to roll my chair across the room and get on my wife's windows PC, I can access my work computer just fine. I am using https instead of http like I'm supposed to. Any thoughts? -- Terry Sheltra PC Technician/Asst. Network Administrator University of Virginia School of Architecture 434.982.3047 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Registered Linux User # 218330
Re: [newbie] Interesting problem with Webmin
On Wednesday 25 July 2001 11:57, you wrote: try doing it with netscape 4.7, don't use konqurer or other.. possibly opera would work as well... worth a shot, I know that konqurer doesn't work as well as IE and netscape for SSL stuff, for example, most banks don't work with it... other then that I don't know... I have always had no problem from using it no matter where I am, as long as I have no proxy server setup... is the browser you are using ssl capable? rgds Frank Well, I did as you had suggested, and it turns out that it does work using Netscape 4.x (at least trying it locally at my work machine), but doesn't work with either Konqueror or Mozilla. I'll have to give it a try when I get home to my machine, but I'm going to remain confident that it will also work using Netscape. I wonder why that is? If Mozilla and Netscape are almost identical, why would one work and the other one not? Many thanks, Terry
Re: [newbie] Interesting problem with Webmin
maybe passwords encrypted in one box and not the other? widers that is.. On Wednesday 25 July 2001 11:57, Terry wrote: On Wednesday 25 July 2001 11:41, you wrote: Turn off the proxy server on the computer that can't connect. I actually don't have any proxy server settings on my linux box at home, nor do I have them set on my work box either. I should have rephrased my problem. I can connect to my work computer from my home one, but cannot log into it, no matter what user I use. It just keeps telling me that Access is denied. Please try again. But if I use my wife's windows machine, I can log in with any user that has an account on the machine.
[newbie] Interesting fact on the southbridge 686b southbridge problem
I found this on the Abit faq site... Its their suggesting for how to fix the file curruption and other problems with the KT7 range of MB... These Large file probs should also be fixed with ZT or 3c bios when you set one or all of the following (test, since they affect performance a bit): -PCI Delay Transaction = 0 -PCI mast Read Caching = 0 -PCI Latency = 0 This should help if you're experiencing the file corruption problem. If your copy speed suddenly drops after some megs copied (see system monitor) and then the system hangs up, your experiencing another problem, but try the upper solution first!! Regards tmc just thought perhaps someone might want to know this.. rgds Frank
[newbie] Interesting Aurora configorator...
Hi all, did you know that there is a webmin module for Aurora ?? http://www.thirdpartymodules.com/webmin/?page=New+Modules check it out, its free as one would expect.. so those of you that have requested some method of doing this, now have one.. regards Frank
[newbie] Interesting stuff from Redhat..
Hi all, I am toying with the idea of using this,, It is the new beta dist from RedHat, I am thinking of using their patched 2.4.1 kernel, and glibc 2.2.1 to upgrade my 7.2. Has anyone tried this on a LM7.2 install? This is the Redhat blurb on the new dist The FTP is ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/beta/fisher/en/OS/i386/RedHat/RPMS/ What's new in this beta? General system improvements: Itanium(tm) architecture support is included Installer has many improvements and fixes, including basic firewall configuration Workstation installs are network-secure (services are off by default) Japanese support fully integrated Graphical kickstart configuration program included Core system components: kernel 2.4.0 + many fixes glibc 2.2.1 XFree86 4.0.2 XFree86 3.3.6 X servers included for maximum hardware compatibility KDE 2.1 beta release snapshot GNOME libs 1.2.8, core 1.2.4 GCC 2.96-RH Expanded hardware support: Improved USB IDE UltraDMA 66/100 IEEE1394 (FireWire(tm)) ATM networking WiFI wireless ethernet cards ESS Maestro3 and newer Crystal audio System service changes: New network-transparent configuration subsystem Configuration tools for BIND, Apache, and printing A sampling of package upgrades: GIMP 1.2.1 Tcl/Tk 8.3.2 BIND 9.1.0 Pine 4.32 Vim 6.0 prerelease XMMS 1.2.4 A sampling of Package additions: OGG/Vorbis audio encoder/decoder Mozilla Just thought Id ask to save myself grief.. Many thanx Frank, Perth WA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Fekete Zoltán Sent: Saturday, 10 February 2001 4:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Installation problem Dear Experts ! I tried to install a Linux-Mandrake 7.2 from a Linux USER (de) CD-ROM. My BIOS is set up to boot from CD-ROM. After CD-ROM initialization phase of beginning, unexpectedly an error message appears: Can't locate install2.pm in @INC (@INC contains:) at /usr/bin/runinstall2 line 24 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/runinstall2 line 24 install exited abnormally sending termination signals...done sending kill signals...done umnounting filesystems /proc /tmp/rhimage /tmp/stage2 The problem occured after installing a new AMD 6-III/450 processor, and a 128M PR100 ram module. The former Intel Pentium 233MMX with 64M (66 MHz) RAM, the same motherboard performed the installation without any problem. Current configuration: AMD K6-III/450 at 450 MHz Tomato TX100 motherboard 128M PR100 DRAM 3 Dfx Voodoo 3 2000 PCI card 4X Sony Atapi CD-ROM drive Seagate 8,4 HDD with S.M.A.R.T. Creative Labs SB AWE 32 Onboard USB controller PS/2 mouse AMIBIOS latest version for moteherboard installed. WINDOWS98 runs bugless with new configuration!!! Thank You for Your kind help in advance: Zoltán, FEKETE
[newbie] interesting AWE32 problem
Greetings, I am running 7.1, and after tweeking the isapnp.conf file for a few hours, I can now boot into linux with no errrors. I can control the volume of the sound card, and the line in is working, but I cannot play any wavs or mp3s. When I run hard rake, the card is not deteced, and show up as a "genric comp. SB" and when I try and change the configuration to the proper card, IRQ and DMA, I USED to get "error allocating 4 bytes at " but just now, I heard the test sample!!! Oh dear. Anyway,now, when I run xmms, the cursor won't move forward when I try and play a file. If I however, move the cursor, I can get small bursts of the file to play. thanks in advance for the help! I am running a: pentium 3 Intel motherboard 128meg of ram Soundblaster AWE32 Matrox G200 ./akin
[newbie] Interesting dual-head action (no, i'm not talking porn :))
http://www5.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1322 Write up of getting a dual monitor setup to work in Linux with the Matrox G450.
[newbie] interesting read
Thought some might find this an interesting read. I just learned about a couple apps for linux I didn't know about myself... http://linuxguiden.linpro.no/experience.php DvB
[newbie] Interesting sound problem
Hi, I've got Mandrake 6.0 installed and running pretty well (for a while now). The only real problem I'm having is that sound doesn't play IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. For instance, the KDE startup sounds play fine. I can do a: cat test.wav /dev/dsp just fine and a: cat test.au /dev/audio works as well. What doesn't work is sound from an MP3 player (the default KDE MP3 player) or a movie (AVI, MOV, whatever) in either KAction or xanim. Any pointers? ~Mike
[newbie] interesting ?
I got something interesting. Is anyone else having a problem in 1.1 whenever "well accidentaly" lock the workstation from the menu bar it comes up with the blank screen and says enter password but that's as far as I get i put in a password and it says failed. I know it's the right password the only thing I can do is turn it off. and I hate doing that... any suggestions. Jorgy
