Re: [newbie] RAM question
i just fired up ksim and it says i've got 588M physical ram free. but why is there a discrepancy between what it says when i check memory and in ksim? any ideas? On Friday 25 July 2003 02:05 am, crak600 wrote: ok, i was tooling around and decided to see how much ram i was currently using. i have 768mb installed and linux knows it (running a 950 processor, decent speed combo). so i look at i'm fluctuating between 5 and 20mb of free ram left. so i think this just can't be right, i mean, to use up ALL that ram when i all i hvae running is a media player, gaim, mozilla, and kmail. so i do a search and i read that it's normal for linux to do this because it's not actually using the ramm it's just keeping things stored there kinda like a hard disc for when it has to use itor something like that. is that really what it's doing? the system hasn't been running excessively long, only about a day and a half. anyway, this just boggled me and was wondering if anyone could inform me if this is really true or if something is wrong here. thanks! Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM question
On Friday 25 July 2003 02:05 am, crak600 wrote: ok, i was tooling around and decided to see how much ram i was currently using. i have 768mb installed and linux knows it (running a 950 processor, decent speed combo). so i look at i'm fluctuating between 5 and 20mb of free ram left. so i think this just can't be right, i mean, to use up ALL that ram when i all i hvae running is a media player, gaim, mozilla, and kmail. so i do a search and i read that it's normal for linux to do this because it's not actually using the ramm it's just keeping things stored there kinda like a hard disc for when it has to use itor something like that. is that really what it's doing? the system hasn't been running excessively long, only about a day and a half. anyway, this just boggled me and was wondering if anyone could inform me if this is really true or if something is wrong here. thanks! On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:11, crak600 wrote: i just fired up ksim and it says i've got 588M physical ram free. but why is there a discrepancy between what it says when i check memory and in ksim? any ideas? Difference is likely one takes the cache into account while the other is reporting without cache. There is nothing to worry about. Linux stores a lot in cache but releases what is required when needed (like opening another app). This way Linux makes the best use of your ram. Someone else may have a better explanation but thats the basic gist of it. Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM question
On Friday 25 July 2003 10:49, Sharrea wrote: Difference is likely one takes the cache into account while the other is reporting without cache. There is nothing to worry about. Linux stores a lot in cache but releases what is required when needed (like opening another app). This way Linux makes the best use of your ram. Someone else may have a better explanation but thats the basic gist of it. Sharrea Or as Civileme once aptly stated: Memory unused is memory wasted Everything is the way it should be:o) -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM question
On Thursday 24 July 2003 07:01 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 25 July 2003 03:37 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 25 July 2003 10:49, Sharrea wrote: Difference is likely one takes the cache into account while the other is reporting without cache. There is nothing to worry about. Linux stores a lot in cache but releases what is required when needed (like opening another app). This way Linux makes the best use of your ram. Someone else may have a better explanation but thats the basic gist of it. Sharrea Or as Civileme once aptly stated: Memory unused is memory wasted Everything is the way it should be:o) Or as we used to say Nothing is more useless than Altitude above you or Runway behind you thank you. i think i got it now. i was just kinda confused because i've looked at it before and it's never been that full. ksim shows one, the memory shows another, and yeah, i can understand that it's cache-ing it and not diong any harm. i think i got it. the system moves fast enough and smooth enough for what i've got in here, so i think i'm diong ok. thanks again for the explanations! Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM Questions
On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:24 am, Russ wrote: Hi All, I understand that the swap partition should be about twice that of your physical ram. I have 256megs and when I allow MD to partition itself, that is the size of the swap partition it makes. Shouldn't it be 512? I seem to remember (from previous tries in the past) that there was an issue of Linux not reading all the ram. There was a file that the person was directed to and told to edit it to what his ram was. Does anyone out there know what I am talking about? The rule I follow is 2x RAM when physical RAM is 128MB or less; 1x RAM when physical RAM is 256MB but greater than 128; never a bigger swap than 256MB In monitoring, I have never had my swap usage get above 80MB when my physical RAM was 256MB. When I increased physical RAM to 512MB, I never use the swapfile at all, and I run a lot of stuff at the same time. Once you get past 256MB, you really don't put enough stuff in memory to require a swap file at all (for desktop use anyway). -- Gregory K. Meyer, CPA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM Questions
Thanks for the response. I'll let MD deal with it then. Russ - Original Message - On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:24 am, Russ wrote: Hi All, I understand that the swap partition should be about twice that of your physical ram. I have 256megs and when I allow MD to partition itself, that is the size of the swap partition it makes. Shouldn't it be 512? I seem to remember (from previous tries in the past) that there was an issue of Linux not reading all the ram. There was a file that the person was directed to and told to edit it to what his ram was. Does anyone out there know what I am talking about? The rule I follow is 2x RAM when physical RAM is 128MB or less; 1x RAM when physical RAM is 256MB but greater than 128; never a bigger swap than 256MB In monitoring, I have never had my swap usage get above 80MB when my physical RAM was 256MB. When I increased physical RAM to 512MB, I never use the swapfile at all, and I run a lot of stuff at the same time. Once you get past 256MB, you really don't put enough stuff in memory to require a swap file at all (for desktop use anyway). -- Gregory K. Meyer, CPA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM Questions
On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:38 am, Gregory K. Meyer, CPA wrote: On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:24 am, Russ wrote: Hi All, I understand that the swap partition should be about twice that of your physical ram. I have 256megs and when I allow MD to partition itself, that is the size of the swap partition it makes. Shouldn't it be 512? I seem to remember (from previous tries in the past) that there was an issue of Linux not reading all the ram. There was a file that the person was directed to and told to edit it to what his ram was. Does anyone out there know what I am talking about? The rule I follow is 2x RAM when physical RAM is 128MB or less; 1x RAM when physical RAM is 256MB but greater than 128; never a bigger swap than 256MB In monitoring, I have never had my swap usage get above 80MB when my physical RAM was 256MB. When I increased physical RAM to 512MB, I never use the swapfile at all, and I run a lot of stuff at the same time. Once you get past 256MB, you really don't put enough stuff in memory to require a swap file at all (for desktop use anyway). I forgot to answer your question. That issue used to occur with older hardware. The kernel needs to be booted with a mem= parameter to tell it how much memory existed. You added it to the append line in /etc/lilo.conf. I doubt that is your problem though, see my prior e-mail. But if you want to check type cat /proc/meminfo which will output info about your memory to the screen. You can check to see how much memory the kernel thinks you have. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM Questions
On Sat, 2003-02-08 at 12:38, Gregory K. Meyer, CPA wrote: The rule I follow is 2x RAM when physical RAM is 128MB or less; 1x RAM when physical RAM is 256MB but greater than 128; never a bigger swap than 256MB In monitoring, I have never had my swap usage get above 80MB when my physical RAM was 256MB. When I increased physical RAM to 512MB, I never use the swapfile at all, and I run a lot of stuff at the same time. Once you get past 256MB, you really don't put enough stuff in memory to require a swap file at all (for desktop use anyway). At this moment I am recompiling the kernel (for the third times this week :-( due to a problem with X not starting) and the swap has already been used by the system even when my computer has 512Mb ram (aroound 350Mb free acording to gkrellm). No database, no Apache, no PHP. Only Evolution, Galeon, Konsole and gkrellm under KDE. Very strange -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello [EMAIL PROTECTED] / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //cel: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / _/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager: www.tun-tun.com (# 609-6213) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM Questions
On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:57 am, Adolfo Bello wrote: At this moment I am recompiling the kernel (for the third times this week :-( due to a problem with X not starting) and the swap has already been used by the system even when my computer has 512Mb ram (aroound 350Mb free acording to gkrellm). No database, no Apache, no PHP. Only Evolution, Galeon, Konsole and gkrellm under KDE. Very strange It seems strange that the system would prefer swap to physical RAM. Perhaps the simple fact that such a large swap file exists is causing it to be used. I'm completely speculating of course. I don't know enough to really say why, although it is interesting. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM Questions
On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:47 am, Gregory K. Meyer, CPA wrote: On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:38 am, Gregory K. Meyer, CPA wrote: On Saturday 08 February 2003 11:24 am, Russ wrote: Hi All, I understand that the swap partition should be about twice that of your physical ram. I have 256megs and when I allow MD to partition itself, that is the size of the swap partition it makes. Shouldn't it be 512? I seem to remember (from previous tries in the past) that there was an issue of Linux not reading all the ram. There was a file that the person was directed to and told to edit it to what his ram was. Does anyone out there know what I am talking about? The rule I follow is 2x RAM when physical RAM is 128MB or less; 1x RAM when physical RAM is 256MB but greater than 128; never a bigger swap than 256MB In monitoring, I have never had my swap usage get above 80MB when my physical RAM was 256MB. When I increased physical RAM to 512MB, I never use the swapfile at all, and I run a lot of stuff at the same time. Once you get past 256MB, you really don't put enough stuff in memory to require a swap file at all (for desktop use anyway). I forgot to answer your question. That issue used to occur with older hardware. The kernel needs to be booted with a mem= parameter to tell it how much memory existed. You added it to the append line in /etc/lilo.conf. this is more common a problem with on-board shared video memory motherboard/videocard combos that may not exactly correctly report available ram. I doubt that is your problem though, see my prior e-mail. But if you want to check type cat /proc/meminfo which will output info about your memory to the screen. You can check to see how much memory the kernel thinks you have. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM Questions
On Saturday February 8 2003 10:24 am, Russ wrote: Hi All, I understand that the swap partition should be about twice that of your physical ram. I have 256megs and when I allow MD to partition itself, that is the size of the swap partition it makes. Shouldn't it be 512? I seem to remember (from previous tries in the past) that there was an issue of Linux not reading all the ram. There was a file that the person was directed to and told to edit it to what his ram was. Does anyone out there know what I am talking about? Yes, but that situation, ie, 'not seein all the ram' (older kernels), is as outdated as the rule of thumb to make the /swap 2x physical ram. 256mb /swap with 256k ram is fine for most all users. For that matter, 256mb /swap with 512 or 1 gig of ram would be too. This would not be true for a server under load. Then the /swap needed might be even more than 2 x ram. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM Questions
okay, I do have onboard video but I have an agp video card installed. I wonder is MD is getting confused? (it did fined my agp card though). Anyway, next time I install MD I will look at the ram and see what it is seeing. I am experimenting with various configurations with MD9 and RedHat 8. There doesn't seem to be anything new or different in RH than MD so I am wondering why run two. Mandrake was by far easier to install. Russ - Original Message - I forgot to answer your question. That issue used to occur with older hardware. The kernel needs to be booted with a mem= parameter to tell it how much memory existed. You added it to the append line in /etc/lilo.conf. this is more common a problem with on-board shared video memory motherboard/videocard combos that may not exactly correctly report available ram. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM Questions
On Saturday 08 February 2003 09:24 am, Russ wrote: Hi All, I understand that the swap partition should be about twice that of your physical ram. I have 256megs and when I allow MD to partition itself, that is the size of the swap partition it makes. Shouldn't it be 512? I seem to remember (from previous tries in the past) that there was an issue of Linux not reading all the ram. There was a file that the person was directed to and told to edit it to what his ram was. Does anyone out there know what I am talking about? Thanks Russ Not really off subject Russ but: Just out of curiosity I allowed the automatic/default install of Mandrake 9.1beta2 to partition, format, and otherwise manipulate, a new hard drive since I was having so much fun installing it. I clicked Use the whole disk or whatever the terminology is for automatic. I did this under the theory that if I didn't screw with/up any settings or configurations it may be that I'd learn what was broken. Since I had a new 40 GB Maxtor sitting here I swapped out one of the 60 GB hard drives and went nuts. /usr ended by being (in my opinion) too small, /var way too large, no separate /boot, and the swap size was set at 403 MB. This box runs 768 MB of RAM; previously a full 1024 but the motherboard is old and it's lost it's ability to communicate with one of the 4 slots. Back in the day it was a good rule of thumb to have swap=double (or 2.5x) the available physical memory, but I remember reading somewhere that this is no longer necessary. If you have the space to spare (I do) go for it if it makes you feel better, but when I reinstalled to full cooker I repartitioned to have a separate /boot and kept the swap size at approximately 400 MB. No trouble so far. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 http://counter.li.org We're here to give you a computer, not a religion. - attributed to Bob Pariseau, at the introduction of the Amiga Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM Questions
On Saturday 08 February 2003 12:44 pm, Russ wrote: okay, I do have onboard video but I have an agp video card installed. I wonder is MD is getting confused? (it did fined my agp card though). Anyway, next time I install MD I will look at the ram and see what it is seeing. I am experimenting with various configurations with MD9 and RedHat 8. There doesn't seem to be anything new or different in RH than MD so I am wondering why run two. Mandrake was by far easier to install. RedHat 8.0 looks nicer at first glance than Mandrake 9.0 and a lot of people find it better for that reason, but IMO, mandrake is far easier to configure than Redhat for a desktop user. 8.0 was a nice first try, but RH still has work to do. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RAM Questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Greg Meyer Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM Questions On Saturday 08 February 2003 12:44 pm, Russ wrote: okay, I do have onboard video but I have an agp video card installed. I wonder is MD is getting confused? (it did fined my agp card though). Anyway, next time I install MD I will look at the ram and see what it is seeing. I am experimenting with various configurations with MD9 and RedHat 8. There doesn't seem to be anything new or different in RH than MD so I am wondering why run two. Mandrake was by far easier to install. RedHat 8.0 looks nicer at first glance than Mandrake 9.0 and a lot of people find it better for that reason, but IMO, mandrake is far easier to configure than Redhat for a desktop user. 8.0 was a nice first try, but RH still has work to do. -- Greg I believe that is precisely why PC Magazine recently gave the Editor's Choice Award to Mandrake over Red Hat. In doing a little research, Mandrake will also run the GUI in 64 MB of RAM where the latest version of Red Hat needs 128 MB. That's a concern if you are setting up an older machine for learning or testing. My Pentium 200 MMX runs Mandrake 9.0 just fine, although slow while in the GUI. People have commented how fast my Apache server is, though! When I use SSH to get to a remote command line, I don't believe you could ever tell it was only a P-200 (for common tasks, anyway). I'm happy. :-) Regards, Marlo Montanaro CNE Registered Linux User 303184 There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Ram .. Where is it going ??
if you load GIMP again you should see that it loads much faster then when it did the first time, that's because of all the cache Linux is using. On the register there is a story about the AthlonXP 2000+ vs. P4 2200Mhz (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23845.html) One of his tests is to see how long GIMP takes to load, he also tests how long it takes to load after it has been closed. this is a good illustration of how caching is used -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Frans Ketelaars Sent: 28 January 2002 23:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Ram .. Where is it going ?? Last Sunday there was a post from Steve Flynn about 'unused memory': As for seeing all of you memory in Use under Linux, this is perfectly normal, and it a GOOD thing - Linux uses as much memory as it can to cache stuff, to improve response time. Unused memory is wasted memory in Unix parlance. If any programs request memory which is being used for buffering or cache, then it will be released by the kernel and given to the requsting task. -Frans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
Speaking of RAM, I hope nobody minds me slating a PC company, but it needs to be said. I bought a PC from Evesham a while back, it should have come with 128Mb PC133 SDRAM, just opened it up lastnight, and what do I find? Two 64Mb chips, one PC133 the other PC100. Not a happy bunny, see :o( Whats the point of giving me a mix of the two if the lower one brings the higher one down? Adrian Lynch -- United Kingdom http://www.thoughtbubble.co.uk/ Ph: +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 -- New Zealand http://www.thoughtbubble.co.nz/ Ph: +64 (0) 9 488 9131 The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) . Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Thoughtbubble. This information may be subject to legal, professional or other privilege and further distribution of it is strictly prohibited without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message. Please notify us on +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
If you talking about how much ram is necessary, I feel there is never enough, I have 768meg of PC133, and Suse Still uses 400meg of swap. With 200 days+ up time its a little excusable, but if your building a server, that has a required uptime, Get the max you can afford! ~Brandon Caudle Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote .. Speaking of RAM, I hope nobody minds me slating a PC company, but it needs to be said. I bought a PC from Evesham a while back, it should have come with 128Mb PC133 SDRAM, just opened it up lastnight, and what do I find? Two 64Mb chips, one PC133 the other PC100. Not a happy bunny, see :o( Whats the point of giving me a mix of the two if the lower one brings the higher one down? Adrian Lynch -- United Kingdom http://www.thoughtbubble.co.uk/ Ph: +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 -- New Zealand http://www.thoughtbubble.co.nz/ Ph: +64 (0) 9 488 9131 The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) . Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Thoughtbubble. This information may be subject to legal, professional or other privilege and further distribution of it is strictly prohibited without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message. Please notify us on +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
On Tuesday 11 September 2001 04:47 am, Adrian Lynch wrote: Speaking of RAM, I hope nobody minds me slating a PC company, but it needs to be said. I bought a PC from Evesham a while back, it should have come with 128Mb PC133 SDRAM, just opened it up lastnight, and what do I find? Two 64Mb chips, one PC133 the other PC100. Not a happy bunny, see :o( Whats the point of giving me a mix of the two if the lower one brings the higher one down? Adrian Lynch To save money or they used what was on hand. I'd be pissed. I'd also be writing a letter to them demanding retribution. Even in this electronic communication age (or because of it) a single physical snail-mail letter gets more results than any number of phone calls or emails. Next time roll your own. :-) -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
On Tuesday 11 September 2001 04:47 am, Adrian Lynch escribió: Speaking of RAM, I hope nobody minds me slating a PC company, but it needs to be said. I bought a PC from Evesham a while back, it should have come with 128Mb PC133 SDRAM, just opened it up lastnight, and what do I find? Two 64Mb chips, one PC133 the other PC100. Whats the point of giving me a mix of the two if the lower one brings the higher one down? It doesn't bring[s] the higher one down. pc66, pc100, and pc133 are mostly nothin more than marketing labels. What is important is the nano second rating (ns) and the cas latency rating (CL), and of course the quality and design of the PCB the ram chips are on. The pcxxx label is practically meaningless. A rough gauge is that the ram should be 1000/133.3 = 7.5ns to run at 133.3mhz. Better 133mhz ram will also be non-ECC, and CL2. BUT most ram sold under the pc133 marketing label is 8ns (really 125mhz), CL3, on less than the best quality/design PCB. Bottom line is ram is what'll do, according to what you set it to with bios settings. I've had ancient 66mhz ram, before the pcwhatever labels were invented, that would run reliably at 112mhz, CL3. I've been using an old 128mb stick of 8ns CL2 ram (pc100) flawlessly for years at 135mhz CL2. It's in my system right now mixed with 2 other sticks of pc133, all running together at 135mhz CL2 with -0- errors. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
So it's just a case of me changing the BIOS from auto to 133? Does it really not matter what I get, surely there is some difference? I would still like one 128MB stick instead of two 64's! -Original Message- From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 September 2001 14:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? On Tuesday 11 September 2001 04:47 am, Adrian Lynch escribió: Speaking of RAM, I hope nobody minds me slating a PC company, but it needs to be said. I bought a PC from Evesham a while back, it should have come with 128Mb PC133 SDRAM, just opened it up lastnight, and what do I find? Two 64Mb chips, one PC133 the other PC100. Whats the point of giving me a mix of the two if the lower one brings the higher one down? It doesn't bring[s] the higher one down. pc66, pc100, and pc133 are mostly nothin more than marketing labels. What is important is the nano second rating (ns) and the cas latency rating (CL), and of course the quality and design of the PCB the ram chips are on. The pcxxx label is practically meaningless. A rough gauge is that the ram should be 1000/133.3 = 7.5ns to run at 133.3mhz. Better 133mhz ram will also be non-ECC, and CL2. BUT most ram sold under the pc133 marketing label is 8ns (really 125mhz), CL3, on less than the best quality/design PCB. Bottom line is ram is what'll do, according to what you set it to with bios settings. I've had ancient 66mhz ram, before the pcwhatever labels were invented, that would run reliably at 112mhz, CL3. I've been using an old 128mb stick of 8ns CL2 ram (pc100) flawlessly for years at 135mhz CL2. It's in my system right now mixed with 2 other sticks of pc133, all running together at 135mhz CL2 with -0- errors. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
On Tuesday 11 September 2001 08:30 am, Adrian Lynch escribió: So it's just a case of me changing the BIOS from auto to 133? Yes. You should post what the system is (cpu/mobo) and what bios it uses. Unless there's a facility on the ram PCB to signal the bios what speed to run the ram at, 'auto' doesn't have any effect. It's usually better to manually set the ram timings anyhow. Also, the quality and stabiity of the motherboard is, IMO, more important to ram performance, than what the ram is labeled. Does it really not matter what I get, surely there is some difference? I would still like one 128MB stick instead of two 64's! You probly have some gripe with the vendor. BUT I'll tell you right now that ALL ready made vendors, even the most popular ones like Dell, Gatway, Compaq, etc., routinely substitute lower spec parts into their systems. As I said below, most ram sold as pc133 really isn't 7.5ns ram. It's just capable of running at 133.3mhz, CL3. I suspect you've got 2 sticks of 8ns CL3 ram. Both of which will do 133mhz, regardless of the label on them. What you've run across is actually the best reason to learn about hardware, and build your own system. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay -Original Message- From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 September 2001 14:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? On Tuesday 11 September 2001 04:47 am, Adrian Lynch escribió: Speaking of RAM, I hope nobody minds me slating a PC company, but it needs to be said. I bought a PC from Evesham a while back, it should have come with 128Mb PC133 SDRAM, just opened it up lastnight, and what do I find? Two 64Mb chips, one PC133 the other PC100. Whats the point of giving me a mix of the two if the lower one brings the higher one down? It doesn't bring[s] the higher one down. pc66, pc100, and pc133 are mostly nothin more than marketing labels. What is important is the nano second rating (ns) and the cas latency rating (CL), and of course the quality and design of the PCB the ram chips are on. The pcxxx label is practically meaningless. A rough gauge is that the ram should be 1000/133.3 = 7.5ns to run at 133.3mhz. Better 133mhz ram will also be non-ECC, and CL2. BUT most ram sold under the pc133 marketing label is 8ns (really 125mhz), CL3, on less than the best quality/design PCB. Bottom line is ram is what'll do, according to what you set it to with bios settings. I've had ancient 66mhz ram, before the pcwhatever labels were invented, that would run reliably at 112mhz, CL3. I've been using an old 128mb stick of 8ns CL2 ram (pc100) flawlessly for years at 135mhz CL2. It's in my system right now mixed with 2 other sticks of pc133, all running together at 135mhz CL2 with -0- errors. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
Cheers Tom, it's just I get conflicting information. I'll get them to sort the Ram out, set the BIOS to 133, cross my fingers, pray to God Almighty and read read read. I think it's well out of order for companies to do this, you expect to get what you paid for, but you are right, I'll be building my next one, so I know exactly what's in it. Thanks for the answer's, I know it wasn't exactly Linux related, but cheers anyway! -Original Message- From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 September 2001 15:35 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? On Tuesday 11 September 2001 08:30 am, Adrian Lynch escribió: So it's just a case of me changing the BIOS from auto to 133? Yes. You should post what the system is (cpu/mobo) and what bios it uses. Unless there's a facility on the ram PCB to signal the bios what speed to run the ram at, 'auto' doesn't have any effect. It's usually better to manually set the ram timings anyhow. Also, the quality and stabiity of the motherboard is, IMO, more important to ram performance, than what the ram is labeled. Does it really not matter what I get, surely there is some difference? I would still like one 128MB stick instead of two 64's! You probly have some gripe with the vendor. BUT I'll tell you right now that ALL ready made vendors, even the most popular ones like Dell, Gatway, Compaq, etc., routinely substitute lower spec parts into their systems. As I said below, most ram sold as pc133 really isn't 7.5ns ram. It's just capable of running at 133.3mhz, CL3. I suspect you've got 2 sticks of 8ns CL3 ram. Both of which will do 133mhz, regardless of the label on them. What you've run across is actually the best reason to learn about hardware, and build your own system. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay -Original Message- From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 September 2001 14:24 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? On Tuesday 11 September 2001 04:47 am, Adrian Lynch escribió: Speaking of RAM, I hope nobody minds me slating a PC company, but it needs to be said. I bought a PC from Evesham a while back, it should have come with 128Mb PC133 SDRAM, just opened it up lastnight, and what do I find? Two 64Mb chips, one PC133 the other PC100. Whats the point of giving me a mix of the two if the lower one brings the higher one down? It doesn't bring[s] the higher one down. pc66, pc100, and pc133 are mostly nothin more than marketing labels. What is important is the nano second rating (ns) and the cas latency rating (CL), and of course the quality and design of the PCB the ram chips are on. The pcxxx label is practically meaningless. A rough gauge is that the ram should be 1000/133.3 = 7.5ns to run at 133.3mhz. Better 133mhz ram will also be non-ECC, and CL2. BUT most ram sold under the pc133 marketing label is 8ns (really 125mhz), CL3, on less than the best quality/design PCB. Bottom line is ram is what'll do, according to what you set it to with bios settings. I've had ancient 66mhz ram, before the pcwhatever labels were invented, that would run reliably at 112mhz, CL3. I've been using an old 128mb stick of 8ns CL2 ram (pc100) flawlessly for years at 135mhz CL2. It's in my system right now mixed with 2 other sticks of pc133, all running together at 135mhz CL2 with -0- errors. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
I regularly get several months uptime from a server with mdk7.2 and it only has 128mb of pc133... Until next week anyway, then it gets an upgrade to 256 or 512mb... I don't think it'll make a huge lot of difference, all its running is Postfix, Amavis and serving web and cgi stuff... does about 1200 emails a day and runs 7 domains... The uptime shows that its usage is nearly 0 across the board... Maybe 2.4 kernels are less efficient for this sort of stuff?? rgsd Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brandon Caudle Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2001 7:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? If you talking about how much ram is necessary, I feel there is never enough, I have 768meg of PC133, and Suse Still uses 400meg of swap. With 200 days+ up time its a little excusable, but if your building a server, that has a required uptime, Get the max you can afford! ~Brandon Caudle Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote .. Speaking of RAM, I hope nobody minds me slating a PC company, but it needs to be said. I bought a PC from Evesham a while back, it should have come with 128Mb PC133 SDRAM, just opened it up lastnight, and what do I find? Two 64Mb chips, one PC133 the other PC100. Not a happy bunny, see :o( Whats the point of giving me a mix of the two if the lower one brings the higher one down? Adrian Lynch -- United Kingdom http://www.thoughtbubble.co.uk/ Ph: +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 -- New Zealand http://www.thoughtbubble.co.nz/ Ph: +64 (0) 9 488 9131 The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) . Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Thoughtbubble. This information may be subject to legal, professional or other privilege and further distribution of it is strictly prohibited without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message. Please notify us on +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I am sort of having similar problems.. My computer was cyrix 366 mhz and it runs blazing fast with Mandrake 7.0 when having 128 mb of pc100 memory - It was really impressive comparing to win98 it shipped with; But now after I upgrade to an celeron 600 mhz with the same memory and Mandrake 7.2 - kde becomes quite sluggish. .. often it takes most of my memory for buffering - but when I do open a new application - those buffer doesn't seem to help.. I only use it to run gcc compilers and tex wordprocessing, sometimes xpdf and netscape... is it possible for me to disable the buffering after I start up the computer? thanks Eric On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Franki wrote: I regularly get several months uptime from a server with mdk7.2 and it only has 128mb of pc133... Until next week anyway, then it gets an upgrade to 256 or 512mb... I don't think it'll make a huge lot of difference, all its running is Postfix, Amavis and serving web and cgi stuff... does about 1200 emails a day and runs 7 domains... The uptime shows that its usage is nearly 0 across the board... Maybe 2.4 kernels are less efficient for this sort of stuff?? rgsd Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brandon Caudle Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2001 7:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? If you talking about how much ram is necessary, I feel there is never enough, I have 768meg of PC133, and Suse Still uses 400meg of swap. With 200 days+ up time its a little excusable, but if your building a server, that has a required uptime, Get the max you can afford! ~Brandon Caudle Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote .. Speaking of RAM, I hope nobody minds me slating a PC company, but it needs to be said. I bought a PC from Evesham a while back, it should have come with 128Mb PC133 SDRAM, just opened it up lastnight, and what do I find? Two 64Mb chips, one PC133 the other PC100. Not a happy bunny, see :o( Whats the point of giving me a mix of the two if the lower one brings the higher one down? Adrian Lynch -- United Kingdom http://www.thoughtbubble.co.uk/ Ph: +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 -- New Zealand http://www.thoughtbubble.co.nz/ Ph: +64 (0) 9 488 9131 The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) . Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Thoughtbubble. This information may be subject to legal, professional or other privilege and further distribution of it is strictly prohibited without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message. Please notify us on +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
Sorry about the lateness of this post, but £30 buys you 256Mb of SDRAM and even DDR! Whats the problem? Unless of course you're after some older memory type! -Original Message- From: Warren Post [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 September 2001 04:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? I will be installing LM8.0 on two PCs as soon as I finish downloading it. I know I need to get more RAM, but how much is enough? Box 1 is a Celeron 366 MHz with 32 MB, box 2 is a K5 100 MHz with 16 MB. Both will be used for public Internet access: IceWM, Konqueror and/or Netscape, KOffice and/or StarOffice, a messenger program... and no doubt a whole bunch of other stuff I don't even know about yet. Thanks, Warren -- http://sites.netscape.net/srcopan/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I wish I had read the other answers before sending that last one. Sorry :o( -Original Message- From: Warren Post [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 September 2001 04:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? I will be installing LM8.0 on two PCs as soon as I finish downloading it. I know I need to get more RAM, but how much is enough? Box 1 is a Celeron 366 MHz with 32 MB, box 2 is a K5 100 MHz with 16 MB. Both will be used for public Internet access: IceWM, Konqueror and/or Netscape, KOffice and/or StarOffice, a messenger program... and no doubt a whole bunch of other stuff I don't even know about yet. Thanks, Warren -- http://sites.netscape.net/srcopan/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Warren, chances are that those not so young boxes of yours run with 133 Mhz memory like my old pentium 75 does. Over here (Belgium) is 133Mhz memory cheaper than 100Mhz. Marc Adrian Lynch wrote: Sorry about the lateness of this post, but £30 buys you 256Mb of SDRAM and even DDR! Whats the problem? Unless of course you're after some older memory type! -Original Message- From: Warren Post [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 September 2001 04:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? I will be installing LM8.0 on two PCs as soon as I finish downloading it. I know I need to get more RAM, but how much is enough? Box 1 is a Celeron 366 MHz with 32 MB, box 2 is a K5 100 MHz with 16 MB. Both will be used for public Internet access: IceWM, Konqueror and/or Netscape, KOffice and/or StarOffice, a messenger program... and no doubt a whole bunch of other stuff I don't even know about yet. Thanks, Warren -- http://sites.netscape.net/srcopan/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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To paraphrase... Cool. Those are memorable but obscure references. I was delighted at your amazing retrieval. -JMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-Original Message- |From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:04 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? | | |I maintain a collection of interesting quotes. Whenever I come |across something I like, I add it to the collection. Some of |them make great e-mail signatures :-) | |On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 04:13:55 -0400, Jose M. Sanchez |[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Where did you look all of this up? | | -JMS | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sridhar | |Dhanapalan | |Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:32 PM | |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; | |[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? | | | | | |On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:54, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: | | That one is right up there with memorable sayings from CEO's... | | | | Another of my favorites was DEC's CEO saying that no one |would ever | | have or tolerate a computer at home. | | | |There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their | |home. -- Ken | |Olson, President, Chairman and Founder of Digital Equipment |Corp., 1977 | | | |And, of course, this famous quote: | | | |I think there is a world market for maybe five computers -- | |Thomas J. | |Watson, Chaiman of IBM, 1943. | | | |And a few more: | | | |I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating | |system, and | |possibly program, of all time. As the successor to DOS, |which has over | |10,000,000 systems in use, it creates incredible opportunities | |for everyone | |involved with PCs. -- Bill Gates (from the Foreword to the | |OS/2 Programmers' | |Guide) | | | |Anyone who says you can have a lot of widely dispersed people | |hack away on a | |complicated piece of code and avoid total anarchy has never |managed a | |software project. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, 1992, writing to | |Linus Torvalds. | | | | Or at SIG-GRAPH, one of the VP's from Evans and Sutherland | |saying that | | PC's would never have enough graphics horsepower to do anything in | | real time... | | | | BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Sanchez;Jose;M FN:Jose M Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ORG:Net Results, Inc.;Lan Support TITLE:Lan Support TEL;WORK;VOICE:301-972-8271 TEL;HOME;VOICE:301-972-8507 TEL;CELL;VOICE:301-502-0151 TEL;WORK;FAX:301-349-2201 TEL;HOME;FAX:301-349-2201 ADR;WORK:;301-972-8271;17206 Spates Hill Road;Poolesville;Maryland;20837;United States LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:301-972-8271=0D=0A17206 Spates Hill Road=0D=0APoolesville, Maryland 20837= =0D=0AUnited States ADR;HOME:;;17206 Spates Hill Road;Poolesville;Maryland;20837;United States LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:17206 Spates Hill Road=0D=0APoolesville, Maryland 20837=0D=0AUnited States URL: URL:http://opjose.homeip.net EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20010825T134515Z END:VCARD Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Where did you look all of this up? -JMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sridhar |Dhanapalan |Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 10:32 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; |[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? | | |On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:54, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: | That one is right up there with memorable sayings from CEO's... | | Another of my favorites was DEC's CEO saying that no one would ever | have or tolerate a computer at home. | |There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their |home. -- Ken |Olson, President, Chairman and Founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 | |And, of course, this famous quote: | |I think there is a world market for maybe five computers -- |Thomas J. |Watson, Chaiman of IBM, 1943. | |And a few more: | |I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating |system, and |possibly program, of all time. As the successor to DOS, which has over |10,000,000 systems in use, it creates incredible opportunities |for everyone |involved with PCs. -- Bill Gates (from the Foreword to the |OS/2 Programmers' |Guide) | |Anyone who says you can have a lot of widely dispersed people |hack away on a |complicated piece of code and avoid total anarchy has never managed a |software project. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, 1992, writing to |Linus Torvalds. | | Or at SIG-GRAPH, one of the VP's from Evans and Sutherland |saying that | PC's would never have enough graphics horsepower to do anything in | real time... | BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Sanchez;Jose;M FN:Jose M Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ORG:Net Results, Inc.;Lan Support TITLE:Lan Support TEL;WORK;VOICE:301-972-8271 TEL;HOME;VOICE:301-972-8507 TEL;CELL;VOICE:301-502-0151 TEL;WORK;FAX:301-349-2201 TEL;HOME;FAX:301-349-2201 ADR;WORK:;301-972-8271;17206 Spates Hill Road;Poolesville;Maryland;20837;United States LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:301-972-8271=0D=0A17206 Spates Hill Road=0D=0APoolesville, Maryland 20837= =0D=0AUnited States ADR;HOME:;;17206 Spates Hill Road;Poolesville;Maryland;20837;United States LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:17206 Spates Hill Road=0D=0APoolesville, Maryland 20837=0D=0AUnited States URL: URL:http://opjose.homeip.net EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20010825T134515Z END:VCARD Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
enough RAM and Enough Money are myths. they do not really exist, you always want more. On Tuesday 04 September 2001 17:08, Charles Punch wrote: Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: I would recommend 128 Megs. You may be able to get away with 64 on the k5. Arthur H. Johnson II On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Warren Post wrote: I will be installing LM8.0 on two PCs as soon as I finish downloading it. I know I need to get more RAM, but how much is enough? Enough??? Too much is enough in my opinion? Seriously though, I think it depends on how much you can afford and also what you plan to do with it. I have a Toshiba laptop with 80MB and it's tolerable, but kind of aggrevating after using my desktop with 512MB and I don't use networking or anything fancy. I do a lot of graphic editing. I suppose that's the most demanding thing I do other than a few progs I watch on real player or playing MP3s.I have been told that my 512MB is overkill for what I do, but it sure beats underkill. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 The most serious doubt that has been thrown on the authenticity of the biblical miracles is the fact that most of the witnesses in regard to them were fishermen. -- Arthur Binstead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
Well said. Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, etharp wrote: enough RAM and Enough Money are myths. they do not really exist, you always want more. On Tuesday 04 September 2001 17:08, Charles Punch wrote: Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: I would recommend 128 Megs. You may be able to get away with 64 on the k5. Arthur H. Johnson II On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Warren Post wrote: I will be installing LM8.0 on two PCs as soon as I finish downloading it. I know I need to get more RAM, but how much is enough? Enough??? Too much is enough in my opinion? Seriously though, I think it depends on how much you can afford and also what you plan to do with it. I have a Toshiba laptop with 80MB and it's tolerable, but kind of aggrevating after using my desktop with 512MB and I don't use networking or anything fancy. I do a lot of graphic editing. I suppose that's the most demanding thing I do other than a few progs I watch on real player or playing MP3s.I have been told that my 512MB is overkill for what I do, but it sure beats underkill. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 The most serious doubt that has been thrown on the authenticity of the biblical miracles is the fact that most of the witnesses in regard to them were fishermen. -- Arthur Binstead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
That one is right up there with memorable sayings from CEO's... Another of my favorites was DEC's CEO saying that no one would ever have or tolerate a computer at home. Or at SIG-GRAPH, one of the VP's from Evans and Sutherland saying that PC's would never have enough graphics horsepower to do anything in real time... -JMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sridhar |Dhanapalan |Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 8:50 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; |[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? | | |Perhaps you mean this little quote: | |640K ought to be enough for anybody. -- Bill Gates, 1981 | |On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:21, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: | Didn't someone once say that 640K of Ram was more than anyone would | ever need? | | -JMS | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |-Original Message- | |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of etharp | |Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:00 AM | |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Charles Punch; | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? | | | | | |enough RAM and Enough Money are myths. they do not |really exist, | |you always want more. | |-- |Sridhar Dhanapalan. | There are two major products that come from Berkeley: | LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. | -- Jeremy S. Anderson | | BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Sanchez;Jose;M FN:Jose M Sanchez ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ORG:Net Results, Inc.;Lan Support TITLE:Lan Support TEL;WORK;VOICE:301-972-8271 TEL;HOME;VOICE:301-972-8507 TEL;CELL;VOICE:301-502-0151 TEL;WORK;FAX:301-349-2201 TEL;HOME;FAX:301-349-2201 ADR;WORK:;301-972-8271;17206 Spates Hill Road;Poolesville;Maryland;20837;United States LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:301-972-8271=0D=0A17206 Spates Hill Road=0D=0APoolesville, Maryland 20837= =0D=0AUnited States ADR;HOME:;;17206 Spates Hill Road;Poolesville;Maryland;20837;United States LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:17206 Spates Hill Road=0D=0APoolesville, Maryland 20837=0D=0AUnited States URL: URL:http://opjose.homeip.net EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] REV:20010825T134515Z END:VCARD Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:54, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: That one is right up there with memorable sayings from CEO's... Another of my favorites was DEC's CEO saying that no one would ever have or tolerate a computer at home. There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. -- Ken Olson, President, Chairman and Founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 And, of course, this famous quote: I think there is a world market for maybe five computers -- Thomas J. Watson, Chaiman of IBM, 1943. And a few more: I believe OS/2 is destined to be the most important operating system, and possibly program, of all time. As the successor to DOS, which has over 10,000,000 systems in use, it creates incredible opportunities for everyone involved with PCs. -- Bill Gates (from the Foreword to the OS/2 Programmers' Guide) Anyone who says you can have a lot of widely dispersed people hack away on a complicated piece of code and avoid total anarchy has never managed a software project. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, 1992, writing to Linus Torvalds. Or at SIG-GRAPH, one of the VP's from Evans and Sutherland saying that PC's would never have enough graphics horsepower to do anything in real time... If you read the recent press release from nVidia, you will see that they can render Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (the movie) in real-time. Examine the release closer and you will see that it is rendering at a whopping two-and-a-half frames per second! Real-time indeed... But seriously, this is still a magnificient feat -- but it was overhyped. Some months ago, I saw a video of Steve Jobs presenting the then-new nVidia GeForce 3 on Mac hardware. He showed a short animated 3D movie that his company, Pixar, made back in 1985. He said that back then it took a Cray supercomputer 75 hours to render a single second of animation. He then exclaimed that what the audience was viewing on the large screeen at the front of the auditorium was being rendered in _real-time_ by a GeForce 3 in a Mac. Simply amazing. -JMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sridhar |Dhanapalan |Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 8:50 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; |[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? | | |Perhaps you mean this little quote: | |640K ought to be enough for anybody. -- Bill Gates, 1981 | |On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:21, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: | Didn't someone once say that 640K of Ram was more than anyone would | ever need? | | -JMS | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |-Original Message- | |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of etharp | |Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:00 AM | |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Charles Punch; | |[EMAIL PROTECTED] | |Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? | | | | | |enough RAM and Enough Money are myths. they do not | |really exist, | | |you always want more. | |-- |Sridhar Dhanapalan. | There are two major products that come from Berkeley: | LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. | -- Jeremy S. Anderson -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
On 05 Sep 2001 14:08:13 +0200, Robert MacLean wrote: I think so.If I remember right they work for Microsoft now on something called Windows Memory Management ;) Didn't someone once say that 640K of Ram was more than anyone would ever need? The infamous Bill Gates said this. Must be the amount of human brain tissue Microsoft spends on security issues... Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
Perhaps you mean this little quote: 640K ought to be enough for anybody. -- Bill Gates, 1981 On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 22:21, Jose M. Sanchez wrote: Didn't someone once say that 640K of Ram was more than anyone would ever need? -JMS [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of etharp |Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 7:00 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Charles Punch; |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? | | |enough RAM and Enough Money are myths. they do not really |exist, you |always want more. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
It will run on 32 Megs (you'll just need a big swap partition) I suggest a minimum of 64 Megs or if you can get more 128 Megs. I have 384Megs and it is perfect, it virtually never uses the swap (and if it does it uses no more than 20Megs) so everything is fast. HTH Robert MacLean - Original Message - From: Warren Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 5:13 AM Subject: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? I will be installing LM8.0 on two PCs as soon as I finish downloading it. I know I need to get more RAM, but how much is enough? Box 1 is a Celeron 366 MHz with 32 MB, box 2 is a K5 100 MHz with 16 MB. Both will be used for public Internet access: IceWM, Konqueror and/or Netscape, KOffice and/or StarOffice, a messenger program... and no doubt a whole bunch of other stuff I don't even know about yet. Thanks, Warren -- http://sites.netscape.net/srcopan/ -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
on 9/3/01 10:13 PM, Warren Post at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will be installing LM8.0 on two PCs as soon as I finish downloading it. I know I need to get more RAM, but how much is enough? Box 1 is a Celeron 366 MHz with 32 MB, box 2 is a K5 100 MHz with 16 MB. Both will be used for public Internet access: IceWM, Konqueror and/or Netscape, KOffice and/or StarOffice, a messenger program... and no doubt a whole bunch of other stuff I don't even know about yet. I'd recommend 64MB for each minimum. I run Linux on my laptop with 32MB and it's not really ideal, lots of swap space used, rather slow. I'd like to upgrade but ram for my old laptop costs a fortune. I run icewm or blackbox on my laptop. ram right now is rather cheap. I got a 256MB dimm for $30 from crucial.com for my desktop. Those older machines will be more expensive, but hopefully still reasonable. Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
I would recommend 128 Megs. You may be able to get away with 64 on the k5. Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Warren Post wrote: I will be installing LM8.0 on two PCs as soon as I finish downloading it. I know I need to get more RAM, but how much is enough? Box 1 is a Celeron 366 MHz with 32 MB, box 2 is a K5 100 MHz with 16 MB. Both will be used for public Internet access: IceWM, Konqueror and/or Netscape, KOffice and/or StarOffice, a messenger program... and no doubt a whole bunch of other stuff I don't even know about yet. Thanks, Warren -- http://sites.netscape.net/srcopan/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
Warren, I know we are all on a budget but RAM is dirt cheap right now... you can get a 256MB for about $33 now... This is a mom and pop shop down the street where I always buy my computer stuff... http://www.microchipcomputers.com/ -Original Message- From: Arthur H. Johnson II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? I would recommend 128 Megs. You may be able to get away with 64 on the k5. Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Warren Post wrote: I will be installing LM8.0 on two PCs as soon as I finish downloading it. I know I need to get more RAM, but how much is enough? Box 1 is a Celeron 366 MHz with 32 MB, box 2 is a K5 100 MHz with 16 MB. Both will be used for public Internet access: IceWM, Konqueror and/or Netscape, KOffice and/or StarOffice, a messenger program... and no doubt a whole bunch of other stuff I don't even know about yet. Thanks, Warren -- http://sites.netscape.net/srcopan/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
For that price you can migrate to Duron! Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Matt Greer wrote: on 9/4/01 11:18 AM, Mark Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warren, I know we are all on a budget but RAM is dirt cheap right now... you can get a 256MB for about $33 now... That's true for RAM intended for recent computers. But if a computer uses SIMMs and such, it's not so cheap. A 128MB 72 pin SIMM is about $200 right now. Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
Too true. My ppro melted this weekend ( got rest her soul ) and was still using 72 pin sims. At my favorite shop, http://www.atrcomputers.com, I purchased an 800 Duron, Motherboard, 256 Megs of Ram, and a CPU Fan all for $219.00 bucks. Not a bad deal. Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Mark Johnson wrote: Warren, I know we are all on a budget but RAM is dirt cheap right now... you can get a 256MB for about $33 now... This is a mom and pop shop down the street where I always buy my computer stuff... http://www.microchipcomputers.com/ -Original Message- From: Arthur H. Johnson II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough? I would recommend 128 Megs. You may be able to get away with 64 on the k5. Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Warren Post wrote: I will be installing LM8.0 on two PCs as soon as I finish downloading it. I know I need to get more RAM, but how much is enough? Box 1 is a Celeron 366 MHz with 32 MB, box 2 is a K5 100 MHz with 16 MB. Both will be used for public Internet access: IceWM, Konqueror and/or Netscape, KOffice and/or StarOffice, a messenger program... and no doubt a whole bunch of other stuff I don't even know about yet. Thanks, Warren -- http://sites.netscape.net/srcopan/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
"Arthur H. Johnson II" wrote: I would recommend 128 Megs. You may be able to get away with 64 on the k5. Arthur H. Johnson II On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Warren Post wrote: I will be installing LM8.0 on two PCs as soon as I finish downloading it. I know I need to get more RAM, but how much is enough? Enough??? Too much is enough in my opinion? Seriously though, I think it depends on how much you can afford and also what you plan to do with it. I have a Toshiba laptop with 80MB and it's tolerable, but kind of aggrevating after using my desktop with 512MB and I don't use networking or anything fancy. I do a lot of graphic editing. I suppose that's the most demanding thing I do other than a few progs I watch on real player or playing MP3s.I have been told that my 512MB is overkill for what I do, but it sure beats underkill. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user # 217118 The most serious doubt that has been thrown on the authenticity of the biblical miracles is the fact that most of the witnesses in regard to them were fishermen. -- Arthur Binstead Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RAM: How much is enough?
on 9/4/01 11:18 AM, Mark Johnson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warren, I know we are all on a budget but RAM is dirt cheap right now... you can get a 256MB for about $33 now... That's true for RAM intended for recent computers. But if a computer uses SIMMs and such, it's not so cheap. A 128MB 72 pin SIMM is about $200 right now. Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re:[newbie] RAM full
On Thursday 14 June 2001 10:52, Gunner Carstens wrote: Hmmm, It would be unusual if the RAM weren't nearly full regardless. The linux kernel believes unused memory is wasted memory. Memory full is a NORMAL condition. Let's see what your hardware is. If you have an MVP3 chipset from VIA I might have a speed-up. Thanks for all your answers. When I run kpm I can see, that no swap is used - is that uncommon (with approx half used, 1 fourth bufferd, one fifth cached and rest free) // I see that free is not the opposite of used, there is more to it. From running ntsysv i see that BOTH mySql and PostgreSql needs to be run at startup. If it responds VIA unknown, that is the chipset-- Actually raise a terminal and write this lspcidrake Then highlight the answer with your mouse, click on your mail window and center-click or click right and left at the same time and you paste the answer into the mail like this: [tester@civileme tester]$ lspcidrake agpgart : VIA Technologies|VT82C691 [Apollo PRO] unknown : VIA Technologies|VT82C598 [Apollo MVP3 AGP] unknown : VIA Technologies|VT82C686 [Apollo Super] unknown : VIA Technologies|VT82C586 IDE [Apollo] usb-uhci: VIA Technologies|VT82C586B USB unknown : (null) unknown : VIA Technologies|VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] 3c59x : 3Com Corporation|3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] Card:S3 Trio3D : S3 Inc.|Trio 64 3D unknown : Virtual|Hub [] unknown : Unknown|USB UHCI Root Hub [] [tester@civileme tester]$ Civileme In HardDrake I have tried to find out whar chipset I have running, but I cannot find it. Under Other devices I have two devices from VIA technologies that Mandrake responds unknown to, but is that the chipset?? Or where do I find out what chipset I have ? (screwdriver??) Thanks /gunner
Re: [newbie] RAM full
At 23:23 12.06.2001 +0200, you wrote: I'm using a Mandrake 7.2 on a Pentium 3 with 128MB RAM, on a newly installed system. I found it a bit slow and quite a bit of the programs - like KDE mediaplayer - won´t start up. I found out that with NO programs started from the desktop by me, the RAM is nearly full! I can see, that I'm running Apache, postgreQql and mySql . My question is, where do I turn these off from the startup procedure, so I have more RAM to use as user? I have installed the developer install, as I want to learn to program and use XEmacs. Thanks, Gunner gunner, type in ntsysv in a console and u will be prompted for what services should be run on startup and which not. i think u can also do it with linuxconf and i am almost sure that mandrake has implented another nice graphical gui under X. but since i only use console mode i dont know where u can find it. i would be interested, if u know it, please tell me..;) hth --quay
Re: [newbie] RAM full
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 13 June 2001 08:30, thus spake Quaylar: At 23:23 12.06.2001 +0200, you wrote: I'm using a Mandrake 7.2 on a Pentium 3 with 128MB RAM, on a newly installed system. I found it a bit slow and quite a bit of the programs - like KDE mediaplayer - won´t start up. I found out that with NO programs started from the desktop by me, the RAM is nearly full! I can see, that I'm running Apache, postgreQql and mySql . My question is, where do I turn these off from the startup procedure, so I have more RAM to use as user? I have installed the developer install, as I want to learn to program and use XEmacs. Thanks, Gunner gunner, type in ntsysv in a console and u will be prompted for what services should be run on startup and which not. i think u can also do it with linuxconf and i am almost sure that mandrake has implented another nice graphical gui under X. but since i only use console mode i dont know where u can find it. i would be interested, if u know it, please tell me..;) hth --quay In DrakConf, there is a Startup Services applet. Dave - -- Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit. (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money. - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7J25qOiMJhTaLf3MRApWGAKCdvgoy+ADVXjbV7grXst+aJKW2bwCfbYK/ bi3TA45+Q8IuwO/BlF7124A= =nIWe -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie] RAM full
but you DO have some swap space allocated on your hard disk, haven't you? On Tuesday 12 June 2001 23:23, you wrote: I'm using a Mandrake 7.2 on a Pentium 3 with 128MB RAM, on a newly installed system. I found it a bit slow and quite a bit of the programs - like KDE mediaplayer - won´t start up. I found out that with NO programs started from the desktop by me, the RAM is nearly full! I can see, that I'm running Apache, postgreQql and mySql . My question is, where do I turn these off from the startup procedure, so I have more RAM to use as user? I have installed the developer install, as I want to learn to program and use XEmacs. Thanks, Gunner
Re: [newbie] RAM full
On Wednesday 13 June 2001 09:45, Dave Sherman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 13 June 2001 08:30, thus spake Quaylar: At 23:23 12.06.2001 +0200, you wrote: I'm using a Mandrake 7.2 on a Pentium 3 with 128MB RAM, on a newly installed system. I found it a bit slow and quite a bit of the programs - like KDE mediaplayer - won´t start up. I found out that with NO programs started from the desktop by me, the RAM is nearly full! I can see, that I'm running Apache, postgreQql and mySql . My question is, where do I turn these off from the startup procedure, so I have more RAM to use as user? I have installed the developer install, as I want to learn to program and use XEmacs. Thanks, Gunner gunner, type in ntsysv in a console and u will be prompted for what services should be run on startup and which not. i think u can also do it with linuxconf and i am almost sure that mandrake has implented another nice graphical gui under X. but since i only use console mode i dont know where u can find it. i would be interested, if u know it, please tell me..;) hth --quay In DrakConf, there is a Startup Services applet. Dave - -- Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit. (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money. - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. Hmmm, It would be unusual if the RAM weren't nearly full regardless. The linux kernel believes unused memory is wasted memory. Memory full is a NORMAL condition. Let's see what your hardware is. If you have an MVP3 chipset from VIA I might have a speed-up. Civileme
Re: [newbie] RAM Disk Error
I had this same problem, and so I burnt another copy from the Mandrake ISOs I had downloaded. This worked fine, which has led me to believe that my original copy was burnt incorrectly. On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:37, Rem wrote: I have had a very odd problem: I have a computer, with Athlon 700 Mhz, 30G HD, and 512MB RAM. I wanted to put Mandrake 7.2 on it and it will give "ramdisk error" (It can not generate the ramdisk) at the begining of installation and quit. Any idea why? The oddest thing perhaps, is that i didn't have that odd problem when I used another cd that was burnt earlier to install the system... Any comments are welcome. R -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] RAM Disk Error
Thank you but that is not the problem though.. I made 3 copies and all gave the same error but the old, first one that was burnt sometime ago. I tried the other copies on another computer and no problem... So, I can't help but wondering why. R - Original Message - From: "Sridhar Dhanapalan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Rem" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM Disk Error I had this same problem, and so I burnt another copy from the Mandrake ISOs I had downloaded. This worked fine, which has led me to believe that my original copy was burnt incorrectly. On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:37, Rem wrote: I have had a very odd problem: I have a computer, with Athlon 700 Mhz, 30G HD, and 512MB RAM. I wanted to put Mandrake 7.2 on it and it will give "ramdisk error" (It can not generate the ramdisk) at the begining of installation and quit. Any idea why? The oddest thing perhaps, is that i didn't have that odd problem when I used another cd that was burnt earlier to install the system... Any comments are welcome. R -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Ram optimization also (IceWM)
Drak wrote: also I use iceWM and cannot figure out how to get it to shut down properly any help would be greatly appeciated... By accident, I found a nice shutdown window by hitting: ctrl-alt-del Jacqueline Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary
Re: [newbie] Ram optimization also (IceWM)
nope tried that and it took me to a screen where I had to login(again) only this time I had to do it as root. It wouldnt accept my user password. Install the KDE package and all works fine. ;) drak - Original Message - From: "Jacqueline Michell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Ram optimization also (IceWM) Drak wrote: also I use iceWM and cannot figure out how to get it to shut down properly any help would be greatly appeciated... By accident, I found a nice shutdown window by hitting: ctrl-alt-del Jacqueline Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary
Re: [newbie] Ram optimization also (IceWM)
Drak: RE: nope tried that and it took me to a screen where I had to login(again) only this time I had to do it as root. It wouldnt accept my user password. Install the KDE package and all works fine. ;) I did ctrl-alt-del from an IceWM screen: I got a nice little window with 9 choices: shutdown, reboot, restart IceWM, etc. Jacqueline Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary
Re: [newbie] Ram optimization also
On Thursday 15 February 2001 20:13, you wrote: I red and did the HD optimization... now i was wondering if there is any memory ops I could also do? Does xwindows really take that much that much ram? running a abit bx6 r2 P3 500 128 mbs ram rage lt pro 3com 5909b nic to a dsl router (cisco 675) also I use iceWM and cannot figure out how to get it to shut down properly any help would be greatly appeciated... TIA Drak Hello, To shutdown rightclick anywhere on your desktop and select logout. Or is that what isn't working properly. A very unelegant way is to hit ctrl,alt and backspace simultaniously. Semper Avanti, Harm Batthoorn
Re: [newbie] Ram seen in 7.2
On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Dennis Myers wrote: only showing 64mg I have added the append = "mem=128" to lilo.conf but it does not seem to have made a difference to what the control center Did you remember to run lilo as a command after the change? (You need to do this as root). That will fix it. Paul -- Disclaimer: "These opinions are my own, though for a small fee they can be yours too." http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.31
Re: [newbie] Ram seen in 7.2
On Saturday 30 December 2000 02:27 pm, you wrote: On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Dennis Myers wrote: only showing 64mg I have added the append = "mem=128" to lilo.conf but it does not seem to have made a difference to what the control center Did you remember to run lilo as a command after the change? (You need to do this as root). That will fix it. Paul I did that and still no joy, so I went back a put the amend statement just before all the image statements and now it shows up in sys info, gtop, everywhere it should , thanks for the help. I love it, we're still learning here. -- Dennis M. Registered Linux user #180842
Re: [newbie] ram issue
Paul wrote: On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, chronos . wrote: Hi all, Having a ram issue my 7.1 box only sees 64 of my 128. So how do I fix this ? I found this on mandrakeuser.org and Im not sure how this works. It said in grub title linuxkernel (hda0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=dev/hda1 mem=128m So Im not sure where to put this in. Thank you, chronos. Hmmm. This should work. In that manner I also appended "ide=scsi" to my grub startup line... Paul I dont know just how this works, but I see partition entries that might need correcting. -- == Goldenpi- programer, unreal level creator, linux user and all round geek. If you are reading this, I sent this mail from linux.
Re: [newbie] ram issue
the mem=128M (note capital M) must be before the root=dev/hda1 I had the same problem before and that fixed it. Tweeter "chronos ." wrote: Hi all, Having a ram issue my 7.1 box only sees 64 of my 128. So how do I fix this ? I found this on mandrakeuser.org and Im not sure how this works. It said in grub title linux kernel (hda0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=dev/hda1 mem=128m So Im not sure where to put this in. Thank you, chronos. -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze -- -- Peter Marks [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tweeterindustries.net Registered Linux User:195435 --
Re: [newbie] ram issue
On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, chronos . wrote: Hi all, Having a ram issue my 7.1 box only sees 64 of my 128. So how do I fix this ? I found this on mandrakeuser.org and Im not sure how this works. It said in grub title linux kernel (hda0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=dev/hda1 mem=128m So Im not sure where to put this in. Thank you, chronos. Hmmm. This should work. In that manner I also appended "ide=scsi" to my grub startup line... Paul -- Not: live and let live But: live and help to live http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Pine 4.30
Re: [newbie] RAM hog
dear friend; i dont have specific info on mandrake 6.0 but it seems me as a general problem faced so often in linux world among newbies. trying to optimize startup services should solve your problem. if you start to many programs and services at the startup time, sure theyll hold to much RAM of you. on the other hand im quite sure about that, 64MB ram will be enough for you to run Linux with a very high performance, specially compared to windowz. by starting task manager you can also see which trivial services run at your system. i hope this idea helps you a bit. best regards; h.ozgur cagdas. From: Roxane Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] RAM hog Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 00:08:03 -0700 I just installed Linux-mandrake 6.0 and once I'm in the desktop environment about 2 to 5 minutes later the system freezes on me. I can't open a program for very long without it freezing up on me. Why is it using so much RAM? I have 64MB of RAM. What can I do to optimize the system? Roxane _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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I am a newbie too but I found a lot of useful information on the topic at www.mandrakeuser.org which I just discovered. Hope that helps. Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: Roxane Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 3:08 AM Subject: [newbie] RAM hog I just installed Linux-mandrake 6.0 and once I'm in the desktop environment about 2 to 5 minutes later the system freezes on me. I can't open a program for very long without it freezing up on me. Why is it using so much RAM? I have 64MB of RAM. What can I do to optimize the system? Roxane
Re: [newbie] RAM hog
Roxane Bennett wrote: I just installed Linux-mandrake 6.0 and once I'm in the desktop environment about 2 to 5 minutes later the system freezes on me. I can't open a program for very long without it freezing up on me. Why is it using so much RAM? I have 64MB of RAM. What can I do to optimize the system? Roxane Roxane: Just an obsrvation: I'm not familiar with LM 6.0, but 64 mb should be OK -- it's probably as much as most of on the list have on our systems. Linux does a very good job of managing memory. Could we have some more information about your system? That would be a big help to Those Who Know What They're Doing. -- Carroll (who remembers upgrading his Exidy Sorcerer from 16 kb to 32 kb to fix his RAM problems)
Re: [newbie] RAM Detection
Dacia and AzureRose wrote: It must be manufacturer because I've never had mandrake not detect all of my ram yet my brother had to do the lilo thing to use his second 128M stick. Dacia --- Patti Wavinak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My better half g has 256M and it is detected on every installation...I on the other hand also have 256M and it does NOT detect it :-( Personally he thinks it depends on who made the chip...some chips are more sensitive than others. We have the same amount of memory but different manufacturers so what he thinks makes a lot of sense. Patti Registered Linux User #184611 Original Message On 9/10/00, 6:04:21 AM, Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding [newbie] RAM Detection: I just checked on my install of 7.0 to double boot with Win98 and found that the installation detected my 128M of ram. Why would it work on my machine when I read that so many others must do the append mem= thing to get their RAM recognized? Not complaining, just curious, cause maybe there is something in autodetect that happens during config. Has anyone else seen the correct ram detected during installation? -- Dennis a registered linux user #180842 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ In my opinion it has nothing with the manufacturer to do - I had mine 256 Mb detected alright, and then changed to another MOBO - Abit BP6 - and then I had only 64 Mb. My solution was to upgrade to a new BIOS version - now I have them all again. Sincerely Mogens Jæger
Re: [newbie] RAM Detection
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, you wrote: I just checked on my install of 7.0 to double boot with Win98 and found that the installation detected my 128M of ram. Why would it work on my machine when I read that so many others must do the append mem= thing to get their RAM recognized? Not complaining, just curious, cause maybe there is something in autodetect that happens during config. Has anyone else seen the correct ram detected during installation? -- Dennis a registered linux user #180842 -- My installation went as smooth as silk, with the exception of my sound card. And here is the kicker...In Windows I couldn't run more than 800x640 res, while in Linux I can go 1024x724. Figure that out, eh? Jay "Every man dies, not every man really lives." http://www.mrsnooky.com
Re: [newbie] RAM Detection
On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, you wrote: I just checked on my install of 7.0 to double boot with Win98 and found that the installation detected my 128M of ram. Why would it work on my machine when I read that so many others must do the append mem= thing to get their RAM recognized? Not complaining, just curious, cause maybe there is something in autodetect that happens during config. Has anyone else seen the correct ram detected during installation? -- Dennis a registered linux user #180842 Never had a problem with my 128M being recognised, either with 7.0 or 7.1 Roger
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And here is the kicker...In Windows I couldn't run more than 800x640 res, while in Linux I can go 1024x724. Figure that out, eh? This is a function of the video drivers you have installed on both operating systems. You could fix it in Windows but you have to go to a different conference for help :-) Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] RAM Detection
A V Flinsch wrote: On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, you wrote: I just checked on my install of 7.0 to double boot with Win98 and found that the installation detected my 128M of ram. Why would it work on my machine when I read that so many others must do the append mem= thing to get their RAM recognized? Not complaining, just curious, cause maybe there is something in autodetect that happens during config. Has anyone else seen the correct ram detected during installation? -- Dennis a registered linux user #180842 Detection of the correct amount of ram depends on the computer's bios. Most detect correctly, others do not. Yours worked correctly. -- Alex (Go easy on me, I'm a COBOL programmer in real life) Sorry to butt in. Isn't this a limitation of the kernel? -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293
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It must be manufacturer because I've never had mandrake not detect all of my ram yet my brother had to do the lilo thing to use his second 128M stick. Dacia --- Patti Wavinak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My better half g has 256M and it is detected on every installation...I on the other hand also have 256M and it does NOT detect it :-( Personally he thinks it depends on who made the chip...some chips are more sensitive than others. We have the same amount of memory but different manufacturers so what he thinks makes a lot of sense. Patti Registered Linux User #184611 Original Message On 9/10/00, 6:04:21 AM, Dennis Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding [newbie] RAM Detection: I just checked on my install of 7.0 to double boot with Win98 and found that the installation detected my 128M of ram. Why would it work on my machine when I read that so many others must do the append mem= thing to get their RAM recognized? Not complaining, just curious, cause maybe there is something in autodetect that happens during config. Has anyone else seen the correct ram detected during installation? -- Dennis a registered linux user #180842 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
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Hi Dennis, I didn't have any trouble when I installed Mandrake on my machine at work. It too has 128MB RAM. I think though it's got something to do with the mobo that's being used. I guess some do and some don't. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Dennis Myers wrote: I just checked on my install of 7.0 to double boot with Win98 and found that the installation detected my 128M of ram. Why would it work on my machine when I read that so many others must do the append mem= thing to get their RAM recognized? Not complaining, just curious, cause maybe there is something in autodetect that happens during config. Has anyone else seen the correct ram detected during installation?
Re: [newbie] RAM Detection
We have identical motherboards and the mobo detects all of my ram -- go figure ;-) Patti Registered Linux User 184611 Original Message On 9/9/00, 7:55:45 PM, Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [newbie] RAM Detection: Hi Dennis, I didn't have any trouble when I installed Mandrake on my machine at work. It too has 128MB RAM. I think though it's got something to do with the mobo that's being used. I guess some do and some don't. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message... | Registered Linux user #182496 On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Dennis Myers wrote: I just checked on my install of 7.0 to double boot with Win98 and found that the installation detected my 128M of ram. Why would it work on my machine when I read that so many others must do the append mem= thing to get their RAM recognized? Not complaining, just curious, cause maybe there is something in autodetect that happens during config. Has anyone else seen the correct ram detected during installation?
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I know that the 15-16M hole that's in a lot of BIOSes will make it misreport - Original Message - From: "Dennis Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 9:04 AM Subject: [newbie] RAM Detection I just checked on my install of 7.0 to double boot with Win98 and found that the installation detected my 128M of ram. Why would it work on my machine when I read that so many others must do the append mem= thing to get their RAM recognized? Not complaining, just curious, cause maybe there is something in autodetect that happens during config. Has anyone else seen the correct ram detected during installation? -- Dennis a registered linux user #180842
Re: [newbie] 'ram' sound file sound
Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Back again, I think the file extensions for a Real Player plugin is .ram. RealPlayer is shipped with the PowerPack URL:http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fpowerpack.php3. -- MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com In travel.--Chmouel
Re: [newbie] 'ram' sound file sound
On Sat, 27 May 2000, Romanator wrote: Back again, I think the file extensions for a Real Player plugin is .ram. Any ideas? You can download a free version of RealPlayer 7.0 for Linux at www.real.com Paul )0(---)0( Finally I know how many stars there are: MANY! )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]]-)0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403
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Yikes. I have the Power Pack. I should checked my CDs... Now which one is it? I should installed it first rather then downloading it.. Maybe that will resolve the mime errors? Thanks, Roman Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Back again, I think the file extensions for a Real Player plugin is .ram. RealPlayer is shipped with the PowerPack URL:http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fpowerpack.php3. -- MandrakeSoft Inchttp://www.mandrakesoft.com In travel.--Chmouel
Re: [newbie] RAM
Michael wrote: How do i check how much of my 128 megs are seen by mandrake? -michael- From the command line, type free and then inspect column one. Try top for a continually updating display of how much memory is being used by all of your processes. John
Re: [newbie] RAM
Type 'dmesg' and hit Enter or 'dmesg | more'. See "Memory: ..." section at fist rows. Tran Michael wrote: How do i check how much of my 128 megs are seen by mandrake? -michael-
Re: [[newbie] Ram Problems]
RTFM - Original Message - From: Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [[newbie] Ram Problems] "Charles Ulwelling" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having trouble with Linux Mandrake 7 recognizing all my ram. I have 256megs in my system and Mandrake only recognizes 64 megs of that when I boot. I have an Abit BE6 motherboard. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Pendragon == Try adding the line append="mem=256M" to /etc/lilo.conf Then run /sbin/lilo All of this must be donw as root user, of course ;o) Mike ~~~ "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." --Tom Waits ~~~ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [[newbie] Ram Problems]
Okay, one more time. You should not just blindly add the line 'append="128M" ' to lilo.conf. You need to test it first. To test it, when linux first boots you will have a boot: prompt. -boot: -Type at the prompt linux mem=128M -This sets the RAM manually for this session (until you reboot only) -When I did this I achieved kernel panic, so I rebooted and tried mem=127M this worked fine. -I now went to lilo.conf and added the line append=mem="127M" rebooted -When I rebooted it still only recognized 64MB of RAM -What I discovered was that I already had an append line in lilo.conf 'append="ide=scsi" for my CD burner. Linux only recognizes one append line in lilo.conf -I edited this line to read 'append="ide=scsi mem=127M" ' rebooted and all is well. ---Mark Irving--- - Original Message - From: Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [[newbie] Ram Problems]
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Re: [newbie] Ram Problems
Yep, try adding append="mem=256M" under the entry for your Linux kernel image in lilo.conf (usually in /etc) then run lilo -v This worked for me. Except I have 128 MB RAM and mine says 128M instead of 256M. I hear it could get ugly if you remove RAM so keep boot disk with out this set. "Knowledge is Power" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Charles Ulwelling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:12 PM Subject: [newbie] Ram Problems I am having trouble with Linux Mandrake 7 recognizing all my ram. I have 256megs in my system and Mandrake only recognizes 64 megs of that when I boot. I have an Abit BE6 motherboard. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Pendragon __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] Ram Problems
Pendragon, I have similar problems. As yet, I do not have an answer. HOwever, Linux does seem to report an unusally high amount of memory for my system in other areas. I am just wondering if it uses the 64 area for something else. Wayne
Re: [newbie] Ram Problems
Enterprise2001 wrote: Yep, try adding append="mem=256M" under the entry for your Linux kernel image in lilo.conf (usually in /etc) then run lilo -v This worked for me. Except I have 128 MB RAM and mine says 128M instead of 256M. I hear it could get ugly if you remove RAM so keep boot disk with out this set. "Knowledge is Power" [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Charles Ulwelling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 8:12 PM Subject: [newbie] Ram Problems I am having trouble with Linux Mandrake 7 recognizing all my ram. I have 256megs in my system and Mandrake only recognizes 64 megs of that when I boot. I have an Abit BE6 motherboard. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks Pendragon __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Thanks for the advice it worked like a charm. I appreciate all you guys responces. later, charles ulwelling
Re: [newbie] Ram dectection
You have to be careful with this one. It is recommended that before you add the line "append="mem=128M" to lilo.conf that you test it first. When Linux first boots, at the boot: prompt, type in "Linux mem=128M" boot that way. You might have to change the way that Linux boots to give you some time to type. On my computer, it only saw 64 of 128MB RAM. I added the line Linux mem=128M at the prompt got "KERNEL PANIC", not a good thing. So I fiddled with the settings added Linux mem=127M everything was fine. Then I could safely add this line to the top of lilo.conf. Here is the documentation from REDHAT: "7.1 Problems with Linux finding all of a machine's RAM Question: My machine has 128 MB of RAM, however Linux only sees 64 MB of it. What is going on, and how can I fix it? Answer: On most systems, the reason is that the BIOS has a limit of how much memory it will tell the OS is present in the machine, even though the board can have more. Common limits seen with this problem are 16M, 32M, 64M, and 128M. To get around this, we need to explicitly specify the amount of memory to the kernel at boot time via the mem= actual memory goes here flag. In the following example, we have a 128M machine but only 64M are being seen by Linux. At the LILO prompt, we type LILO: linux mem=128M After the machine boots, we use the free command to see if the larger amount of memory was recognized by the kernel. If so, we can add an append line to the /etc/lilo.conf file and rerun LILO to make it happen permanently. The example from above could look like the following: boot=/dev/sda map=/boot/map install=/boot/boot.b prompt timeout=50 image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.12-20 label=linux root=/dev/sda1 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.12-20.img read-only append="mem=128M" Do not forget to run /sbin/lilo -v after editing the file. " - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Ram dectection Start linux with either "linux mem=128M" or As root, edit /etc/config and code a line like the following in each stanza: append="mem=128M" Now run /sbin/lilo and next time you restart you'll have your full 128 meg available Steve Flynn IBM MVS Operations Analyst Lincong Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 29/02/2000 16:39:46 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Steve Flynn/UK/Contr/IBM) Subject: [newbie] Ram dectection Hello. everyone I have an Athalon 600 computer with 128Mb Micron PC100 memory. Somehow Linux can only recognize about 64 Mb. Can anybody tell me how to fix it. Thanks in advance Lincong Wang from Ann Arbor MI
RE: [newbie] Ram dectection
Sender: "Carrefour I tried to put the line append="mem=128M" into my lilo.conf but i've yet an append="hdc=ide-scsi". And 2 appends in the same stanza generate an error message. How can I solve that ? I saw somewhere that you can put more than one item in the single append, but I don't remember the format. -- Lane Lane Lester / Madison County, Georgia USA Getting where I want to go with Linux...
Re: [newbie] Ram dectection
Uhh, sure Steve ment /etc/lilo.conf, right Steve? ;-) On Feb 29 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start linux with either "linux mem=128M" or As root, edit /etc/config and code a line like the following in each stanza: append="mem=128M" Now run /sbin/lilo and next time you restart you'll have your full 128 meg available Steve Flynn IBM MVS Operations Analyst Lincong Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 29/02/2000 16:39:46 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Steve Flynn/UK/Contr/IBM) Subject: [newbie] Ram dectection Hello. everyone I have an Athalon 600 computer with 128Mb Micron PC100 memory. Somehow Linux can only recognize about 64 Mb. Can anybody tell me how to fix it. Thanks in advance Lincong Wang from Ann Arbor MI -- Rial Juan http://nighty.ulyssis.org e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Belgiumtel: (++32) 89/856533 ulyssis system admininstrator http://www.ulyssis.org Unix IS user-friendly. It's just not ignorant-friendly or idiot-friendly. -- Sign the petition at http://www.libranet.com/petition.html Help bring us more Linux Drivers
Re: [newbie] Ram dectection
Hi, I tried to put the line append="mem=128M" into my lilo.conf but i've yet an append="hdc=ide-scsi". And 2 appends in the same stanza generate an error message. How can I solve that ? or how can I install the first solution : "linux mem=128M" ?? Thks for your help (I'm really newbie :-)) Raoul -- Carrefour Esotérique http://carrefouresoterique.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Start linux with either "linux mem=128M" or As root, edit /etc/config and code a line like the following in each stanza: append="mem=128M" Now run /sbin/lilo and next time you restart you'll have your full 128 meg available Steve Flynn IBM MVS Operations Analyst Lincong Wang [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 29/02/2000 16:39:46 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Steve Flynn/UK/Contr/IBM) Subject: [newbie] Ram dectection Hello. everyone I have an Athalon 600 computer with 128Mb Micron PC100 memory. Somehow Linux can only recognize about 64 Mb. Can anybody tell me how to fix it. Thanks in advance Lincong Wang from Ann Arbor MI -- Carrefour Esotérique http://carrefouresoterique.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] RAM
'free' from a shell prompt 'top' will also show you how much ram is being used, how much is free, total ram, swap size, etc. It'll also tell you which processes are using the most CPU and RAM. Steve Flynn IBM MVS Operations Analyst James Luongo [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 17/02/2000 13:24:39 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Newbie " [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Steve Flynn/UK/Contr/IBM) Subject: [newbie] RAM I see all you people talking about "Linux cannot recognize that I have 128 MB of RAM" My question is, where do you see how much RAM Linux does recognize. I'd like to know if my 128 MB of RAM is being detected. thanks = - James Luongo [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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or cat /proc/meminfo Sincerely, Christian Christian Dam NCR SE Copenhagen - Vibevej 20 - DK 2400 Copenhagen NV Phone: +45 3815 7593 Film skal ses i biografen og fodbold skal ses i Parken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RAM 'free' from a shell prompt 'top' will also show you how much ram is being used, how much is free, total ram, swap size, etc. It'll also tell you which processes are using the most CPU and RAM. Steve Flynn IBM MVS Operations Analyst James Luongo [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 17/02/2000 13:24:39 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Newbie " [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Steve Flynn/UK/Contr/IBM) Subject: [newbie] RAM
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James Luongo wrote: I see all you people talking about "Linux cannot recognize that I have 128 MB of RAM" My question is, where do you see how much RAM Linux does recognize. I'd like to know if my 128 MB of RAM is being detected. thanks type this command in a terminal "cat /proc/meminfo" do not include the quotes Jerry
Re: [newbie] RAM Problems
Using LILO? When you boot linux, start it with LILO: linux mem=128M It should come up with the full 128 meg. Try it by using 'free' from a shell. To make it automatic, edit /etc/lilo.conf and add the line append="mem=128M" to each stanza you use to boot linux. Enjoy the extra memory Steve Flynn IBM MVS Operations Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 15/02/2000 10:00:26 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Steve Flynn/UK/Contr/IBM) Subject: [newbie] RAM Problems I have a Micron system: 533 MHz Pentium III (Katmai), Via Apollo chipset, and 128 MB of 133MHz SDRAM. I just installed Mandrake 7.0 on my system, and it only sees 64 MB of RAM (instead of 128). Can anyone out there help me figure out what the problem is? Alan -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] is brought to you by the Stanford Alumni Association and Critical Path.
Re: [[newbie] Ram incorrect]
That's the manaul page for lilo.conf in compressed format. Try reading it with man lilo.conf the file you need to edit is /etc/lilo.conf Steve Flynn IBM MVS Operations Analyst "Westbrook" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 15/02/2000 01:14:04 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Steve Flynn/UK/Contr/IBM) Subject: Re: [[newbie] Ram incorrect] Hi Dennis, I did this and all it found was: /usr/man/man5/lilo.conf.5.bz2 and when I open it in a text editor all I get is hieroglyphics. I am running Linux from the FAT partition and it is booted from a windows prompt (or from windows). Russ - Original Message - Most weird. Try this. run updatedb then locate lilo.conf It should find it for you. At 10:00 PM 2/13/00 -0800, you wrote: I don't even have this file..what gives?? Russ
Re: [newbie] Ram incorrect
Haven't I already told you how to fix this? Anyway, edit /etc/lilo.conf and add a line like the following to each stanza you use to boot linux: append="mem=256M" /sbin/lilo Restart. You can achieve the same manually by starting lilo with 'linux mem=256M' rather than just 'linux' Steve Flynn IBM MVS Operations Analyst "Brent Timmer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 13/02/2000 12:58:07 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Steve Flynn/UK/Contr/IBM) Subject: [newbie] Ram incorrect I have 256mb of ram, but linux only sees 64mb. How can I get around this?
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Most weird. Try this. run updatedb then locate lilo.conf It should find it for you. At 10:00 PM 2/13/00 -0800, you wrote: I don't even have this file..what gives?? Russ "Unix is simple, but it takes a genius to understand the simplicity." - Dennis Ritchie ** Zulfiqar Naushad * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * ICQ: 6001618 * **
Re: [[newbie] Ram incorrect]
Hi Dennis, I did this and all it found was: /usr/man/man5/lilo.conf.5.bz2 and when I open it in a text editor all I get is hieroglyphics. I am running Linux from the FAT partition and it is booted from a windows prompt (or from windows). Russ - Original Message - Most weird. Try this. run updatedb then locate lilo.conf It should find it for you. At 10:00 PM 2/13/00 -0800, you wrote: I don't even have this file..what gives?? Russ
Re: [[newbie] Ram incorrect]
"Brent Timmer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 256mb of ram, but linux only sees 64mb. How can I get around this? In /etc/lilo.conf add the line append="mem=256" (with the quotes) ## Michael Scottaline Linux 2.2.13 ## Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [newbie] RAM question and Time
On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Alek wrote: John Catral wrote: Hi! I just installed Mandrake 7 and I noticed that it is only reading 64 Mb of my 224 Totyal RAMS I have. Is that an error that 7.0 has? Hello, I had the same problem. How do you launch Linux? If with lilo, then you should add in the lilo.conf a line specifing t othe kernel the amount of RAM you have: append="mem=224M". If you use loadlin you should add in the command line this so it should look like that: Hi, I am puzzled - last LinuxDistro I used was RHAT 5.2 which was the first that made appending RAM-kernel-parameters obsolete, due to a new featured 2.0.36. So why is Mandrake-2.2.x-Linux refusing to recognize the memory? BTW, I'm new to the mdk's lists. Cheers, Oliver -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.steadyproc.myokay.net
Re: [newbie] RAM question and Time
John Catral wrote: Hi! I just installed Mandrake 7 and I noticed that it is only reading 64 Mb of my 224 Totyal RAMS I have. Is that an error that 7.0 has? Hello, I had the same problem. How do you launch Linux? If with lilo, then you should add in the lilo.conf a line specifing t othe kernel the amount of RAM you have: append="mem=224M". If you use loadlin you should add in the command line this so it should look like that: c:\whatever\loadlin.exe c:\whatever\vmlinuz??? root=/dev/hda? mem=224M ^^ Alek
Re: [newbie] RAM question and Time
John Catral wrote: Hi! I just installed Mandrake 7 and I noticed that it is only reading 64 Mb of my 224 Totyal RAMS I have. Is that an error that 7.0 has? Another thing that I am perplexed about is the fact that it is giving a qrong time. I live here in New Jersey and all my other OS' like redhat works fine with this machine except the Mandrake 7 which is giving a wrong time. Anyone know of this same problem? ~ John I had the same problem with time when I first installed 7.0. I reinstalled, using expert mode and don't have the problem now. I think it has something to do with the graphical install program. cheers
Re: [[newbie] RAM question and Time]
"John Catral" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I just installed Mandrake 7 and I noticed that it is only reading 64 Mb of my 224 Totyal RAMS I have. Is that an error that 7.0 has? = Try editing /etc/lilo.conf add: append="mem=224M" = Another thing that I am perplexed about is the fact that it is giving a qrong time. I live here in New Jersey and all my other OS' like redhat works fine with this machine except the Mandrake 7 which is giving a wrong time. Anyone know of this same problem? How far off?? 6 hours? Are you running on GMT instead of EST?? ~ John Mike ## Michael Scottaline Linux 2.2.13 ## Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
