RE: OT - ugh!

[Ken Schaefer]

There are many, many consultants out there. Even in a much smaller market like 
Australia, there are plenty of SQL Server, Messaging, Networking, AD, Citrix, 
whatever consultants. These guys will move between vendors and doing their own 
thing. There's no need to be working for a Fortune 100 company - plenty of 
companies in a place like Australia or Singapore or Hong Kong (or any European 
country, Japan, India, etc. etc.) that is 25K+ seats - so still a decent size - 
needing outside expertise when standing up a new technology. At $200/hour, 
you're not going to be doing grunt work - you'd be doing architecture/design, 
or troubleshooting issues.

Having the contacts is key - either former co-workers, or having the necessary 
reputation. Once you have a decent number of (successful) gigs under your belt, 
you'll be getting call backs. 

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

You can look at it in one of two ways:

Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing daily 
grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations, applying 
antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so specialised that 
your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company on its staff doing 
something that only applies to 3 other companies in the world.

The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT foodchain 
- and then exploit the hell out of it.

The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

And being willing to travel...

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my 
 own Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as 
 there is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  
 Yes, I am complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, 
 MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission!


 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com


 From: David Lum david@nwea.org
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own 
 biz – feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always 
 amazed at how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even 
 have different fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I 
 am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these 
 clients I can go months with nothing other than patching.


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Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

Just as a follow-up to this I have to say thanks to everyone for giving me
the guts to ask a client to wait if they want me to do a job for them. Just
managed to negotiate with someone to hold off for a few weeks till I become
available, so now I have four very interesting projects on the go at once.

Before I went through this thread I'd probably have been afraid to ask them
to wait in case they just went and found someone else, I guess if they
think they've got someone lined up with the required expertise they will be
willing to hold off a bit.

Now just gotta make sure I don't disappoint them. :-)  But I really
appreciate all the advice on this thread (and others), they've really
helped me out bettering myself quite a bit over the last year and a half.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 22:25, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote:

 You could always take part in a larger community and become an expert
 there, instead of setting up shop on an island somewhere, where you’re only
 an expert to yourself.  J

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 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:06 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 I'm one of them. We don't use AppSense yet, but at least one of our
 contracts will be using it this year.  Never know when things come in handy
 :-)

 I'm thinking of setting up a blog/wiki type site to keep my scripts and
 other titbits of info and reference stored in a single place.  Just have to
 decide which suits better.  Thinking of a name is the hardest part.

 Tony

 On Feb 7, 2012 8:26 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote:

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Congrats. :)

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On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Just as a follow-up to this I have to say thanks to everyone for giving me
 the guts to ask a client to wait if they want me to do a job for them. Just
 managed to negotiate with someone to hold off for a few weeks till I become
 available, so now I have four very interesting projects on the go at once.

 Before I went through this thread I'd probably have been afraid to ask
 them to wait in case they just went and found someone else, I guess if they
 think they've got someone lined up with the required expertise they will be
 willing to hold off a bit.

 Now just gotta make sure I don't disappoint them. :-)  But I really
 appreciate all the advice on this thread (and others), they've really
 helped me out bettering myself quite a bit over the last year and a half.

 Cheers,



 JR

 On 7 February 2012 22:25, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote:

 You could always take part in a larger community and become an expert
 there, instead of setting up shop on an island somewhere, where you’re only
 an expert to yourself.  J

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 *From:* Tony Patton [mailto:apco...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:06 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 I'm one of them. We don't use AppSense yet, but at least one of our
 contracts will be using it this year.  Never know when things come in handy
 :-)

 I'm thinking of setting up a blog/wiki type site to keep my scripts and
 other titbits of info and reference stored in a single place.  Just have to
 decide which suits better.  Thinking of a name is the hardest part.

 Tony




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Re: OT - ugh!

[Bill Humphries]

Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?


Bill



Andrew S. Baker wrote:

Amen.

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On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:


I get that a lot. J

 


And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it – search on my
blog.

 


Regards,

 


Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 


*From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM


*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

 


I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
already making some more contacts, which is cool.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

 


Keep it up.

 

 


Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

 


*From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
*Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

*Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


*To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
*Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

 


Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker
for the title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR

On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
software with a LOT of options.

 


Thanks

 

 


Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

 


*From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
*Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
*Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +


*To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
*Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

 


I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at
the moment, IMO)

 



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RE: OT - ugh!

[Mathew Shember]

Well?  I started one on my virtualization adventures.  Like Michael I use it 
mainly for personal reference.  

Leaving it to error messages and wordpress.  Activity has been rather light.  I 
get about 5-10 a day.   It's interesting to see where the hits come from. 

SEO can't hurt especially if you want greater traffic.

Thanks,
Mathew


-Original Message-
From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you just 
put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?

Bill



Andrew S. Baker wrote:
 Amen.

 **
 *ASB*
 *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
 *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 *




 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
 mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I get that a lot. J

  

 And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
 know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it - search on my
 blog.

  

 Regards,

  

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

  

 *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM


 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

  

 I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
 actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
 drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
 on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
 be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
 already making some more contacts, which is cool.

 Cheers,



 JR

 On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

  

 Keep it up.

  

  

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

  

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

  

 Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
 I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker
 for the title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
 CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
 software with a LOT of options.

  

 Thanks

  

  

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

  

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +


 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

  

 I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
 anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
 concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at
 the moment, IMO)

  


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Re: OT - ugh!

[Steven Peck]

Unless you are attempting to game the system, the best SEO is to have a
well structured code and content people want to read and reference (link
to).  Being consistent in content significantly helps as well.  Pretty much
any modern blog or CMS will do this for you.
Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.comwrote:

 Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you
 just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?

 Bill



 Andrew S. Baker wrote:

 Amen.

 **
 *ASB*
 *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
 *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…

 *





 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
 mich...@smithcons.commailto:
 mich...@smithcons.com** wrote:

I get that a lot. J


And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it – search on my
blog.


Regards,


Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.**com http://TheEssentialExchange.com


*From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com**]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM


*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!



I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
already making some more contacts, which is cool.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com

mailto:webster@carlwebster.**com webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!


Keep it up.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/


*From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com**
*Reply-To: *NT Issues 
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-**software.comntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.**sunbelt-software.comntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 

*Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


*To: *NT Issues 
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-**software.comntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.**sunbelt-software.comntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 
*Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!



Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker
for the title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.**comhttp://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR

On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
mailto:webster@carlwebster.**com webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
software with a LOT of options.


Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/


*From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com**
*Reply-To: *NT Issues 
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-**software.comntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.**sunbelt-software.comntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 
*Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +


*To: *NT Issues 
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-**software.comntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.**sunbelt-software.comntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 
*Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!



I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at
the moment, IMO)



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Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on
the 1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do
this on Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/






On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote:

Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you
just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?

Bill



Andrew S. Baker wrote:
 Amen.

 **
 *ASB*
 *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
 *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ

 *




 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith
 mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I get that a lot. J

  

 And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
 know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
 blog.

  

 Regards,

  

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

  

 *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM


 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

  

 I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
 actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
 drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
 on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
 be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
 already making some more contacts, which is cool.

 Cheers,



 JR

 On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

  

 Keep it up.

  

  

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

  

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

  

 Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
 I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker
 for the title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
 CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
 software with a LOT of options.

 



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Mathew Shember]

Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P

That's assume.  :)



-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was able 
to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am fast 
approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of my 
articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the 1st 
day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this on Feb. 
1st so I don't have current counts.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com 
http://www.carlwebster.com/






On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote:

Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?

Bill



Andrew S. Baker wrote:
 Amen.

 **
 *ASB*
 *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
 *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ

 *




 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
 mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I get that a lot. J

  

 And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
 know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
 blog.

  

 Regards,

  

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

  

 *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM


 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

  

 I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
 actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
 drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
 on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
 be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
 already making some more contacts, which is cool.

 Cheers,



 JR

 On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

  

 Keep it up.

  

  

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

  

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

  

 Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
 I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker
 for the title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
 CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
 software with a LOT of options.

 



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
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with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin


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~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Jacob]

1 million views? That is all?

I can offer content that will exploded your views...

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P

That's assume.  :)



-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the
1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this on
Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
http://www.carlwebster.com/






On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote:

Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?

Bill



Andrew S. Baker wrote:
 Amen.

 **
 *ASB*
 *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
 *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ

 *




 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
 mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I get that a lot. J

  

 And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
 know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
 blog.

  

 Regards,

  

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

  

 *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM


 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

  

 I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
 actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
 drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
 on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
 be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
 already making some more contacts, which is cool.

 Cheers,



 JR

 On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

  

 Keep it up.

  

  

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

  

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

  

 Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
 I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker
 for the title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
 CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
 software with a LOT of options.

 



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

---
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http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
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with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin


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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

That I can also let my mom, dad, and 13-y/o look at? :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

1 million views? That is all?

I can offer content that will exploded your views...

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P

That's assume.  :)



-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the
1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this on
Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
http://www.carlwebster.com/






On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote:

Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?

Bill



Andrew S. Baker wrote:
 Amen.

 **
 *ASB*
 *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
 *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ

 *




 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
 mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I get that a lot. J

  

 And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
 know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
 blog.

  

 Regards,

  

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

  

 *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM


 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

  

 I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
 actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
 drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
 on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
 be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
 already making some more contacts, which is cool.

 Cheers,



 JR

 On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

  

 Keep it up.

  

  

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

  

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

  

 Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
 I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker
 for the title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
 CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
 software with a LOT of options.

 



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
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~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

LOL, ummm do they do anything Citrix related?  Or is this more related
to the open directory thread? smirk


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/






On 2/8/12 10:36 AM, Jacob ja...@excaliburfilms.com wrote:

1 million views? That is all?

I can offer content that will exploded your views...



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~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Sean Martin]

Pun intended?

- Sean

On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, Jacob ja...@excaliburfilms.com wrote:

 1 million views? That is all?
 
 I can offer content that will exploded your views...
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
 Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P
 
 That's assume.  :)
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
 able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
 Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
 fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
 my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the
 1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this on
 Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.
 
 
 Carl Webster
 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
 http://www.carlwebster.com/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote:
 
 Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
 just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?
 
 Bill
 
 
 
 Andrew S. Baker wrote:
 Amen.
 
 **
 *ASB*
 *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
 *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ
 
 *
 
 
 
 
 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
 mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 
I get that a lot. J
 
 
 
And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
blog.
 
 
 
Regards,
 
 
 
Michael B. Smith
 
Consultant and Exchange MVP
 
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
 
 
*From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
 
 
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
 
 
 
I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
already making some more contacts, which is cool.
 
Cheers,
 
 
 
JR
 
On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 
Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
 
 
 
Keep it up.
 
 
 
 
 
Carl Webster
 
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
 
http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/
 
 
 
*From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
*Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 
*Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
 
 
*To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
*Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
 
 
 
Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.
 
Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker
for the title for my blog.
 
Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
 
Cheers,
 
 
 
 
JR
 
On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 
PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
software with a LOT of options.
 
 
 
 
 
 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~
 
 ---
 To manage subscriptions click here:
 http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
 or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
 with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
 
 
 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
 http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~
 
 ---
 To manage subscriptions click here:
 http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
 or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
 with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
 
 
 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~
 
 ---
 To manage subscriptions click here: 
 http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
 or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
 with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

Sure, haven't you heard of Naked Fruit?

http://www.nakedjuice.com/


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/






On 2/8/12 10:49 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

That I can also let my mom, dad, and 13-y/o look at? :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

1 million views? That is all?

I can offer content that will exploded your views...

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P

That's assume.  :)




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Steven Peck]

They might have question about what that guy was doing with a squirrel

2012/2/8 Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com

 That I can also let my mom, dad, and 13-y/o look at? :-)

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:37 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 1 million views? That is all?

 I can offer content that will exploded your views...

 -Original Message-
 From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P

 That's assume.  :)



 -Original Message-
 From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

 What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
 able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
 Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
 fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
 my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the
 1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this
 on
 Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.


 Carl Webster
 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
 http://www.carlwebster.com/






 On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote:

 Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you
 just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?
 
 Bill
 
 
 
 Andrew S. Baker wrote:
  Amen.
 
  **
  *ASB*
  *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
  *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ
 
  *
 
 
 
 
  On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith
  mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 
  I get that a lot. J
 
 
 
  And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
  know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
  blog.
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
 
 
  Michael B. Smith
 
  Consultant and Exchange MVP
 
  http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
 
 
  *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
  mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
  *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
 
 
  *To:* NT System Admin Issues
  *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
 
 
 
  I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
  actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
  drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
  on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
  be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
  already making some more contacts, which is cool.
 
  Cheers,
 
 
 
  JR
 
  On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
  mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 
  Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
 
 
 
  Keep it up.
 
 
 
 
 
  Carl Webster
 
  Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
 
  http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/
 
 
 
  *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
  mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
  *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 
  *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
 
 
  *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
 
 
 
  Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
  I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.
 
  Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker
  for the title for my blog.
 
  Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
  http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
 
  Cheers,
 
 
 
 
  JR
 
  On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
  mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 
  PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
  CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
  software with a LOT of options.
 
 



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RE: OT - ugh!

[Jacob]

Unfortunately no... VMWare and RDP

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

LOL, ummm do they do anything Citrix related?  Or is this more related to
the open directory thread? smirk


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
http://www.carlwebster.com/






On 2/8/12 10:36 AM, Jacob ja...@excaliburfilms.com wrote:

1 million views? That is all?

I can offer content that will exploded your views...



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Re: OT - ugh!

[Bill Humphries]

heh.  i might start reading webster's blog.

Bill

Jacob wrote:

1 million views? That is all?

I can offer content that will exploded your views...

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P

That's assume.  :)



-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the
1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this on
Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
http://www.carlwebster.com/






On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote:

  
Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?


Bill



Andrew S. Baker wrote:


Amen.

**
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On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:


I get that a lot. J

 


And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
blog.

 


Regards,

 


Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 


*From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM


*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

 


I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
already making some more contacts, which is cool.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

 


Keep it up.

 

 


Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

 


*From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
*Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

*Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


*To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
*Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

 


Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker
for the title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR

On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
software with a LOT of options.


  




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RE: OT - ugh!

[James Hill]

LOL.. 

Are you able to give us some of the stats Jacob?  They'd be very interesting
I'm sure.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012 5:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

1 million views? That is all?

I can offer content that will exploded your views...

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P

That's assume.  :)



-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the
1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this on
Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
http://www.carlwebster.com/






On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote:

Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?

Bill



Andrew S. Baker wrote:
 Amen.

 **
 *ASB*
 *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
 *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ

 *




 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
 mich...@smithcons.com mailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I get that a lot. J

  

 And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
 know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
 blog.

  

 Regards,

  

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

  

 *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM


 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

  

 I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
 actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
 drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
 on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
 be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
 already making some more contacts, which is cool.

 Cheers,



 JR

 On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

  

 Keep it up.

  

  

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

  

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

  

 Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
 I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker
 for the title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
 CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
 software with a LOT of options.

 



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Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Gotta help my brethren out...  :)

* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

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On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   Hey now, mind your own business there!


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: Andrew Baker asbz...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:17:21 -0500

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

  *If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or
 commission! *

  Not a bad idea. :)

 **

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 Technology for the SMB market…

 *



 On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my
 own Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there
 is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
 complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going
 to want a referral fee or commission!


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: David Lum david@nwea.org
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

   That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own
 biz – feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at
 how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
 fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS
 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months
 with nothing other than patching.

 ** **

 *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com webs...@carlwebster.com]

 *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
 know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL***
 *

 ** **

 Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a
 lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2
 AD infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no
 longer do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

 ** **

 I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't
 have the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
 already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
 September yet! :)

 ** **

 ** **

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

 ** **

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six
 years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting
 the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

 It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
 work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
 contributed to convincing me to do the same.

 On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 

 I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
 I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

 I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
 week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com



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Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

-- Exchange  AD
-- Citrix
-- Security
-- Virtualization
-- Database (mostly Oracle, but I'm seeing more and more SQL these days)

Not trying to say that these are the only areas of massive opportunity, but
these are the top infrastructure areas I see out there today.

And yes, all situations require some compromise or concession, but they
remain viable options for many skilled IT professionals, and my sense is
that the numbers going in this direction will grow.

* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

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On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote:

 Virtualization (of any flavor) and storage are two other areas where
 expert skills are highly sought after.

 - Sean

 On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

  Didn't mean to imply that you're entirely unique between the two of
  you, just that you occupy a niche - it's probably a fairly large
  niche, I would guess.
 
  Probably that niche is going to grow, too, but it won't consist of
  folks who don't have some specialised skills, or whose skills are too
  specialised.
 
  Kurt
 
  On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 17:33, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
 wrote:
  I know many other independents no different than Webster and I.
 
  Regards,
 
  Michael B. Smith
  Consultant and Exchange MVP
  http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
  You can look at it in one of two ways:
 
  Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.
 
  The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
  daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
  applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
  specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
  on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
  the world.
 
  The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
  foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.
 
  The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.
 
  And being willing to travel...
 
  Kurt
 
  On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
  I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my
 own
  Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as
 there is
  very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
  complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is
 going to
  want a referral fee or commission!
 
 
  Carl Webster
 
  Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
 
  http://www.CarlWebster.com
 
 
  From: David Lum david@nwea.org
  Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
  To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
  That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own
 biz –
  feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at
 how
  often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
  fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an
 SBS 2003
  – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months
 with
  nothing other than patching.
 
 
 
  From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
  Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 
 
  I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.
  Don't
  know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
 
 
 
  Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing
 a lot
  of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2
 AD
  infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no
 longer
  do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
 
 
 
  I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't
 have
  the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
  already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
  September yet! :)
 
 
 
 
 
  Carl Webster
 
  Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
 
  http://www.CarlWebster.com
 
 
 
  From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
  Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
  To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 
 
  I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six
 years
  before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the
  amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.
 
  It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he
 could
  work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly

Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to
be enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the
title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR

On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs
 partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a
 LOT of options.

  Thanks


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

   I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything
 in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on
 AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)
 Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
 --
 *From: *Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 +
 *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *ReplyTo: *NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

   I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed and
 prodded me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people started
 reading.  Once people started reading, I gained a name in the Citrix
 space.  Once I got a name, I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got the
 CTP, I was instantly in a really nice network of extremely smart people.

  I initially balked at the idea of going solo because just how much
 Citrix work can there possibly be out there?  And besides, who in the
 world would hire me! to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site,
 Experts Exchange, fellow CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.

  Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything
 to share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for
 you.

  If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to
 do), be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.  Only
 those who stick their neck out and share, get recognized.

  I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you see
 the word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin,
 Network Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).

  I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers
 every week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way
 or all the AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.

  I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought
 MBS was nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus
 expenses and have had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As busy
 as I am, maybe I need to up my rates again! :)

  Thanks


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

   This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on,
 do any of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own
 thing going?
 For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website,
 contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

  Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.
 I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for
 ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did
 you keep an income stream coming in at the beginning?

  Don K

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Steven Peck]

I will suggest you invest in your own domain name.  (You can still use
blogspot).  It's pretty cheap, it also makes things more portable and
later, you can use it for your email should you go independant and not lose
the existing work or your 'identity branding'.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:39 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
 to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the
 title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
 CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software
 with a LOT of options.

  Thanks


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

   I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
 anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
 concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the
 moment, IMO)
 Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
 --
 *From: *Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 +
 *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *ReplyTo: *NT System Admin Issues 
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

   I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed and
 prodded me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people started
 reading.  Once people started reading, I gained a name in the Citrix
 space.  Once I got a name, I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got the
 CTP, I was instantly in a really nice network of extremely smart people.

  I initially balked at the idea of going solo because just how much
 Citrix work can there possibly be out there?  And besides, who in the
 world would hire me! to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site,
 Experts Exchange, fellow CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.

  Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything
 to share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for
 you.

  If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you
 to do), be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.
  Only those who stick their neck out and share, get recognized.

  I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you see
 the word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin,
 Network Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).

  I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work
 offers every week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes
 my way or all the AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.

  I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought
 MBS was nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus
 expenses and have had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As busy
 as I am, maybe I need to up my rates again! :)

  Thanks


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

   This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on,
 do any of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own
 thing going?
 For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website,
 contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

  Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get
 going.  I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on
 clients for ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth,
 or how did you keep an income stream coming in at the beginning?

  Don K

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

Keep it up.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be 
enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the 
title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at 
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR

On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster 
webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner 
status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of 
options.

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +

To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT 
which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense 
(which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

I did give some thought to that, it's on my to-do list right next to build
a decent lab and try to stop eating as much rich food

On 7 February 2012 19:17, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote:

 I will suggest you invest in your own domain name.  (You can still use
 blogspot).  It's pretty cheap, it also makes things more portable and
 later, you can use it for your email should you go independant and not lose
 the existing work or your 'identity branding'.


 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:39 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
 to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for
 the title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
 CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software
 with a LOT of options.

  Thanks


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

   I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
 anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
 concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the
 moment, IMO)
 Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
 --
 *From: *Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 +
 *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *ReplyTo: *NT System Admin Issues 
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

   I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed
 and prodded me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people
 started reading.  Once people started reading, I gained a name in the
 Citrix space.  Once I got a name, I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got
 the CTP, I was instantly in a really nice network of extremely smart people.

  I initially balked at the idea of going solo because just how much
 Citrix work can there possibly be out there?  And besides, who in the
 world would hire me! to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site,
 Experts Exchange, fellow CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.

  Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have
 anything to share) with the community and you may be surprised at what
 opens up for you.

  If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you
 to do), be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.
  Only those who stick their neck out and share, get recognized.

  I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you
 see the word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network
 Admin, Network Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).

  I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work
 offers every week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes
 my way or all the AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.

  I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I
 thought MBS was nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr
 plus expenses and have had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As
 busy as I am, maybe I need to up my rates again! :)

  Thanks


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

   This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched
 on, do any of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your
 own thing going?
 For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website,
 contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

  Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get
 going.  I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on
 clients for ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth,
 or how did you keep an income stream coming in at the beginning?

  Don K

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

 ---
 To manage subscriptions click here:
 http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
 or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
 with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin

 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security

Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually
kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them
everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me
correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for
keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more
contacts, which is cool.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

  Keep it up.


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

  Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
 to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the
 title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
 CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software
 with a LOT of options.

  Thanks


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

   I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
 anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
 concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the
 moment, IMO)

 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

 ---
 To manage subscriptions click here:
 http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
 or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
 with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin




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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

I get that a lot. :)

And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I know I wrote an 
article, the easiest way to find it - search on my blog.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually kind of 
handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them everywhere with me. 
I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me correcting me on some of the 
product features (they must be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears 
that I am already making some more contacts, which is cool.

Cheers,



JR
On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster 
webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

Keep it up.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +

To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be 
enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the 
title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at 
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR
On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster 
webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner 
status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of 
options.

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +

To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT 
which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense 
(which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the 
machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly 
to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.

* IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER *

This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If 
you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore 
you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the 
contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the 
intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, 
you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily 
in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, 
you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also 
committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress..

The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the 
information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a 
pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should 
you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please 
pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass 
them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for 
transmission.

In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please 
return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife 
wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly 
half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets 
At Home yesterday.

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Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you 
do get this message

RE: OT - ugh!

[ntsysadmin]

I have to thank you guys for this thread. I've been doing consulting for about 
15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time work for 
one business in particular. I've recently stopped working full time for my 
big client (skills were stagnating because of too many other responsibilities 
there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has given me some good 
ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I turned down over the 
years while working for that big client. Thanks!

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I'll write it anyway: if you believe, 
the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door 
when opportunity knocks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Yeah I already figured I'd need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest 
one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during non-server upgrade months. It 
would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and 
I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single 
it would have been a no-brainer long ago...

Dave


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I want it now. :)

Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

It is cool when the product vendor finds your blog.  It was very surreal when I 
got the first e-mail from Citrix Education and the Citrix Exam team saying they 
were reading my stuff and sending links to my articles internal at Citrix!  
Then when I found out the CTP handlers at Citrix were watching me on EE and my 
blog, I just about freaked out.

I have mentioned your blog on Twitter, LinkedIn and Facebook.  Maybe that will 
add 1 or 2 more readers for you.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:31:49 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually kind of 
handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them everywhere with me. 
I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me correcting me on some of the 
product features (they must be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears 
that I am already making some more contacts, which is cool.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster 
webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

Keep it up.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +

To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be 
enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the 
title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at 
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR

On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster 
webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner 
status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of 
options.

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +

To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT 
which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense 
(which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)


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Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

Been a big help to me too. I am just trying now how to work out how to get
the most work from two clients. I have an offer in the post for ten days'
work for a fairly high-profile client but also an overlapping offer for a
month's work at a different client. Is there any way people have found to
balance out overlapping projects, or is it just a case of try to fit them
in consecutively? Or do I really need to get involved at the bid stage
rather than getting agencies coming to me with the offers? I suppose if I
quoted them based around a project delivery timescale rather than purely x
days at x rate, I could maybe shoehorn conflicting jobs in.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 20:08, ntsysadmin ntsysad...@rccs.org wrote:

  I have to thank you guys for this thread. I’ve been doing consulting for
 about 15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time
 work for one business in particular. I’ve recently stopped working full
 time for my “big” client (skills were stagnating because of too many other
 responsibilities there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has
 given me some good ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I
 turned down over the years while working for that big client. Thanks!

 ** **

 *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!

  ** **

 I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I’ll write it anyway: if you
 believe, the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the
 damn door when opportunity knocks.

 ** **

 Regards,

 ** **

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 ** **

 *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org david@nwea.org]
 *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!

  ** **

 Yeah I already figured I’d need 4 more clients of the same size as by
 biggest one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during “non-server upgrade”
 months. It would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with
 %dayjob%, and I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped.
 If I was single it would have been a no-brainer long ago…

 ** **

 Dave

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!

  ** **

 I want it now. J

 ** **

 Three clients isn’t enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor
 (where major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from
 me) clients.

 ** **

 Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from
 my office at home (I’ve got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with
 video chat that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So… I plan
 to travel 8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the
 road.

 ** **

 Regards,

 ** **

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 ** **

 *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

  ** **

 I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
 Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is
 very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
 complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going
 to want a referral fee or commission! 

 ** **

 ** **

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

 ** **

 *From: *David Lum david@nwea.org
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *RE: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz –
 feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how
 often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
 fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS
 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months
 with nothing other than patching.

  

 *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com webs...@carlwebster.com]

 *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
 

   

 I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
 know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

  

 Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a
 lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2
 AD infrastructures.  I

Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

Muchos gracias. I wondered where I had picked a couple of extra followers
up from :-)

On 7 February 2012 20:12, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   It is cool when the product vendor finds your blog.  It was very
 surreal when I got the first e-mail from Citrix Education and the Citrix
 Exam team saying they were reading my stuff and sending links to my
 articles internal at Citrix!  Then when I found out the CTP handlers at
 Citrix were watching me on EE and my blog, I just about freaked out.

  I have mentioned your blog on Twitter, LinkedIn and Facebook.  Maybe
 that will add 1 or 2 more readers for you.


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:31:49 +

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

  I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually
 kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them
 everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me
 correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for
 keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more
 contacts, which is cool.

 Cheers,



 JR

 On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

  Keep it up.


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

  Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
 to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for
 the title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
 CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software
 with a LOT of options.

  Thanks


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

   I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
 anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
 concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the
 moment, IMO)

   ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Steven Peck]

While I don't do full out articles and haven't blogged myself in a while,
the main reason I do post stuff on mine, is really, so I can find it later.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote:

  I get that a lot. J

 ** **

 And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I know I
 wrote an article, the easiest way to find it – search on my blog. 

 ** **

 Regards,

 ** **

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 ** **

 *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually
 kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them
 everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me
 correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for
 keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more
 contacts, which is cool.

 Cheers,



 JR

 On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

 ** **

 Keep it up.

 ** **

 ** **

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

 ** **

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
 to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the
 title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs
 partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a
 LOT of options.

 ** **

 Thanks

 ** **

 ** **

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

 ** **

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + 


 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in
 IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on
 AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)

 ** **

 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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 --
 On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
 the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
 rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
 a question.

 ** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER *

 This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is
 addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to
 you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to
 you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then
 you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a
 mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and
 destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken
 this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer,
 because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide
 afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. *

 *The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the
 information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a
 pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But
 should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it,
 and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However,
 if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding
 liability for transmission.*

 *In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then
 please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's
 brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately
 refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas

Re: OT - ugh!

[Don Kuhlman]

Yes - thanks to you for sharing guys!  It's very encouraging to read your 
success stories and the way you got there.

Much appreciated!

Don K




 From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 

Been a big help to me too. I am just trying now how to work out how to get the 
most work from two clients. I have an offer in the post for ten days' work for 
a fairly high-profile client but also an overlapping offer for a month's work 
at a different client. Is there any way people have found to balance out 
overlapping projects, or is it just a case of try to fit them in consecutively? 
Or do I really need to get involved at the bid stage rather than getting 
agencies coming to me with the offers? I suppose if I quoted them based around 
a project delivery timescale rather than purely x days at x rate, I could maybe 
shoehorn conflicting jobs in.

Cheers,



JR


On 7 February 2012 20:08, ntsysadmin ntsysad...@rccs.org wrote:

I have to thank you guys for this thread. I’ve been doing consulting for about 
15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time work for 
one business in particular. I’ve recently stopped working full time for my 
“big” client (skills were stagnating because of too many other responsibilities 
there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has given me some good 
ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I turned down over the 
years while working for that big client. Thanks!
 
From:Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh! 
 
I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I’ll write it anyway: if you believe, 
the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door 
when opportunity knocks.
 
Regards,
 
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
From:David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh! 
 
Yeah I already figured I’d need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest 
one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during “non-server upgrade” months. It 
would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and 
I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single 
it would have been a no-brainer long ago…
 
Dave
 
 
From:Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh! 
 
I want it now. J
 
Three clients isn’t enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.
 
Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I’ve got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So… I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.
 
Regards,
 
Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
From:Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission! 
 
 
Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.carlwebster.com/
 
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz – 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.
 
From:Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh! 
 
I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
 
Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot 
of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

I have a list of people that regularly call/email about work.  My philosophy is 
First confirmed, first served.  Anytime I get a contract, I update my 
schedule and e-mail my list of contacts.   The customer I am working for in 
Idaho next week has waited 6 week s for me.  I have no idea why?  Surely they 
could have found someone more readily available.  But they said they wanted me 
(they found me via Google search for Citrix blogs).  It is possible to do 
multiple projects at the same time.  I tell people I am booked during the day 
and I can work on their stuff at night and or the weekend.  That is usually 
acceptable for them if they need your skills.

I might add, that having a good personality and not being a prick helps in this 
business.  If people don't like you, they will not be back and they will not 
let you use them as a referral.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:18:25 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Been a big help to me too. I am just trying now how to work out how to get the 
most work from two clients. I have an offer in the post for ten days' work for 
a fairly high-profile client but also an overlapping offer for a month's work 
at a different client. Is there any way people have found to balance out 
overlapping projects, or is it just a case of try to fit them in consecutively? 
Or do I really need to get involved at the bid stage rather than getting 
agencies coming to me with the offers? I suppose if I quoted them based around 
a project delivery timescale rather than purely x days at x rate, I could maybe 
shoehorn conflicting jobs in.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 20:08, ntsysadmin 
ntsysad...@rccs.orgmailto:ntsysad...@rccs.org wrote:
I have to thank you guys for this thread. I’ve been doing consulting for about 
15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time work for 
one business in particular. I’ve recently stopped working full time for my 
“big” client (skills were stagnating because of too many other responsibilities 
there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has given me some good 
ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I turned down over the 
years while working for that big client. Thanks!

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I’ll write it anyway: if you believe, 
the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door 
when opportunity knocks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Yeah I already figured I’d need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest 
one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during “non-server upgrade” months. It 
would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and 
I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single 
it would have been a no-brainer long ago…

Dave


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I want it now.:)

Three clients isn’t enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I’ve got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So… I plan to travel 8-10 
times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
Reply

Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

There's me screwed then, I am a complete prick :-)

Actually I find it a bit harder the other way, I have to try very hard not
to be one of the boys and make remarks to the people I am working
alongside that might make me seem unprofessional. It's a little hard coming
from a support background where there was the tendency just to slag off
every other IT discipline and maintain that most software is sh*te.

Still, that's good advice, maybe I can convince one of these customers to
get me on-site for a couple of days and then work on the rest of it in my
spare time. If I can make their end-user desktops look and work great,
they'll probably be happy :-)

On 7 February 2012 20:38, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   I have a list of people that regularly call/email about work.  My
 philosophy is First confirmed, first served.  Anytime I get a contract, I
 update my schedule and e-mail my list of contacts.   The customer I am
 working for in Idaho next week has waited 6 week s for me.  I have no idea
 why?  Surely they could have found someone more readily available.  But
 they said they wanted me (they found me via Google search for Citrix
 blogs).  It is possible to do multiple projects at the same time.  I tell
 people I am booked during the day and I can work on their stuff at night
 and or the weekend.  That is usually acceptable for them if they need your
 skills.

  I might add, that having a good personality and not being a prick helps
 in this business.  If people don't like you, they will not be back and they
 will not let you use them as a referral.


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:18:25 +

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

  Been a big help to me too. I am just trying now how to work out how to
 get the most work from two clients. I have an offer in the post for ten
 days' work for a fairly high-profile client but also an overlapping offer
 for a month's work at a different client. Is there any way people have
 found to balance out overlapping projects, or is it just a case of try to
 fit them in consecutively? Or do I really need to get involved at the bid
 stage rather than getting agencies coming to me with the offers? I suppose
 if I quoted them based around a project delivery timescale rather than
 purely x days at x rate, I could maybe shoehorn conflicting jobs in.

 Cheers,



 JR

 On 7 February 2012 20:08, ntsysadmin ntsysad...@rccs.org wrote:

  I have to thank you guys for this thread. I’ve been doing consulting
 for about 15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full
 time work for one business in particular. I’ve recently stopped working
 full time for my “big” client (skills were stagnating because of too many
 other responsibilities there) and decided to grow my business. This thread
 has given me some good ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals
 I turned down over the years while working for that big client. Thanks!**
 **

 ** **

 *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
  *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!

  ** **

 I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I’ll write it anyway: if you
 believe, the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the
 damn door when opportunity knocks.

 ** **

 Regards,

 ** **

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 ** **

 *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org david@nwea.org]
 *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
  *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!

  ** **

 Yeah I already figured I’d need 4 more clients of the same size as by
 biggest one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during “non-server upgrade”
 months. It would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with
 %dayjob%, and I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped.
 If I was single it would have been a no-brainer long ago…

 ** **

 Dave

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
  *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!

  ** **

 I want it now.J

 ** **

 Three clients isn’t enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor
 (where major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from
 me) clients.

 ** **

 Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from
 my office at home (I’ve got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with
 video chat that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So… I plan
 to travel 8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the
 road.

 ** **

 Regards

Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Amen.

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote:

  I get that a lot. J

 ** **

 And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I know I
 wrote an article, the easiest way to find it – search on my blog. 

 ** **

 Regards,

 ** **

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 ** **

 *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually
 kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them
 everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me
 correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for
 keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more
 contacts, which is cool.

 Cheers,



 JR

 On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

 ** **

 Keep it up.

 ** **

 ** **

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

 ** **

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
 to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for the
 title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs
 partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a
 LOT of options.

 ** **

 Thanks

 ** **

 ** **

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

 ** **

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + 


 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in
 IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on
 AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)

 ** **




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Re: OT - ugh!

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 It would always
 bore me how they’d spend time talking about the bosses and subordinates and
 the wives and the kids – but you know – it makes a difference. It’s called
 “relationship building” and it helps establish trust and rapport.

  That stuff annoys the heck out of me.  I'm doing RFPs and vendor
selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants
to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing.  I have no interest
in it.  It does not advance me towards the goals.

  I realize that glad-handing works on a lot of people, so that's why
they do it.  Still annoying.

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[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now,
 and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling
 in-person meeting thing.

 If you tell them that you don't like to be handled, they won't.
 A lot of sales people can turn it on and off.

  It surprises me how many can't turn it off.  To the point where it's
cost them business (i.e., calling every month just to see what's
going on, no matter how many times I've told them not to).  Spam
delivered via telephone is still spam.

  Of course, many do listen, which is appreciated.

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

Oh Ben, I bet it even works on you. :-)

I'm sure you feel more confident dealing with someone you trust than with 
someone who you just found on the Internet.

Perhaps I'm wrong - but I doubt it.

I do understand your point. And when I'm looking at making hardware or software 
purchases (no services) I agree that it gets in the way.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 It would always
 bore me how they'd spend time talking about the bosses and subordinates and
 the wives and the kids - but you know - it makes a difference. It's called
 relationship building and it helps establish trust and rapport.

  That stuff annoys the heck out of me.  I'm doing RFPs and vendor
selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants
to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing.  I have no interest
in it.  It does not advance me towards the goals.

  I realize that glad-handing works on a lot of people, so that's why
they do it.  Still annoying.

-- Ben

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

I would never do that. I do try to get my name in front of past customers at 
least once a quarter, usually via a quick-tip of some type that I think would 
apply to their environment.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now,
 and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling
 in-person meeting thing.

 If you tell them that you don't like to be handled, they won't.
 A lot of sales people can turn it on and off.

  It surprises me how many can't turn it off.  To the point where it's
cost them business (i.e., calling every month just to see what's
going on, no matter how many times I've told them not to).  Spam
delivered via telephone is still spam.

  Of course, many do listen, which is appreciated.

-- Ben

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[Jonathan Link]

We found you on the internet...

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote:

 Oh Ben, I bet it even works on you. :-)

 I'm sure you feel more confident dealing with someone you trust than with
 someone who you just found on the Internet.

 Perhaps I'm wrong - but I doubt it.

 I do understand your point. And when I'm looking at making hardware or
 software purchases (no services) I agree that it gets in the way.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:20 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
 wrote:
  It would always
  bore me how they'd spend time talking about the bosses and subordinates
 and
  the wives and the kids - but you know - it makes a difference. It's
 called
  relationship building and it helps establish trust and rapport.

   That stuff annoys the heck out of me.  I'm doing RFPs and vendor
 selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants
 to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing.  I have no interest
 in it.  It does not advance me towards the goals.

  I realize that glad-handing works on a lot of people, so that's why
 they do it.  Still annoying.

 -- Ben

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[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 I'm sure you feel more confident dealing with someone you trust than
 with someone who you just found on the Internet.

  Absolutely.

  But I also know how sales works.  They've been trained to ask how
I'm doing at the start of the call, to make fake small talk, to try
and get an in-person meeting.  They want to get my contact info so
they can re-contact me different ways.  They want to get a time frame
so they know when to call me back.  All of this information will be
put into their CRM/SFA, which will remind them of it when it's next
relevant.  The majority of them follow this script to the letter.
It's incredibly transparent.

  So them doing all that does not build trust with me, anymore than
them hanging a sign around their neck that says Trust Me would.  :-)

  And it's a hard problem, from both sides.  They're supposed to
convince me that they'll do a good job.  I've got to figure out how
good a job they'll do.  Neither of us has any tool that can easily
give us what we want.

 I do understand your point. And when I'm looking at making hardware
 or software purchases (no services) I agree that it gets in the way.

  I'm actually looking for services, but not so much of the
independent consultant type.  Conversations with tech people would
be more useful, even if it's just a wire monkey.  But at this stage
it's all salesdroids who don't even know what they're selling half the
time.  :-/

-- Ben

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Rod Trent]

You could always take part in a larger community and become an expert there,
instead of setting up shop on an island somewhere, where you're only an
expert to yourself.  J

 

 

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From: Tony Patton [mailto:apco...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

 

I'm one of them. We don't use AppSense yet, but at least one of our
contracts will be using it this year.  Never know when things come in handy
:-)

I'm thinking of setting up a blog/wiki type site to keep my scripts and
other titbits of info and reference stored in a single place.  Just have to
decide which suits better.  Thinking of a name is the hardest part.

Tony

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[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 I do try to get my name in front of past customers at
 least once a quarter, usually via a quick-tip of some type that I think would
 apply to their environment.

  Well, you're an independent consultant, which is a bit different.
You're your own marketing person, generally working closely with the
customer and on the deliverable.  You're not some weenie who got my
employer's name out of a leads database because they just bought a new
building and that shows up in public record, or a parts vendor that
has my name on file because I bought something from you once in 2003.
:-)

-- Ben

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Re: OT - ugh!

[ANDREW F OFALT]

I agree with this, unfortunately I find looking for a job to be a job.  Not 
quite my passion...

But I am looking for a job so my plan over the next 9 years would be to 

1st 3 years - get a certification in VMware (or on any virtualized platform) 
and from this list it looks like a Citrix Certification would be a good 
addition.
The next 3 year job - get a up to date certification in CCNE and MCSE.
The next 3 year job - to be determined.  Or insert you own views for my 
development at your company.

I am pretty good with the basics and consider myself very knowledgeable in 
most...

Contact me offline for the positions you want me in.  Also provide the 
information for each 3 year period you would want me to work.
Of course I expect a decent salary and significant increases when changing jobs.
Even though I have been at my present job for quite a while, we have had a lot 
of diversification with the system admins that have gone through our network.  
Each one brings in his own ideas and setups, then moves on after setting up his 
own opinion.  Then we are left to troubleshoot the problems and try to provide 
reliability with what was left.

They bring in their own new ways so we do see different ways to do and not to 
do things.
We are exposed.

I am looking to make it in your next review cycle.

Andy0

- Original Message -
I am sympathetic to the company doing the interview here. If you've been in one 
place for 15 years straight doing internal IT, you are unlikely to have much in 
the way of diversified experience. Every time you work with a new customer or 
take a new position at a new company, you're going to see new ways to do 
things. Some will be better, some will be worse, but, you'll see them, and even 
more so, you'll be exposed to the goods/bads. 

Some large companies have expectations that you'll move around internally every 
few years to change things up and when people don't, they have a way of not 
making it in review cycles. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues.

Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no project 
management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff treating the network 
like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop the bleeding and stabilize 
the patient (gave then how I would do it), I can implement a more proactive 
approach to IT management and stop the fires (also gave details.)

I guess they rather have the fires...


On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com wrote:
 That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15 
 years...Sorry to hear that Jacob.

 I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice 
 people so far.

 I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows 
 background), but it's a job and a chance to learn.

 Good luck!

 Don K

 
 From: Jacob Kisner jbdkis...@gmail.com
 To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM
 Subject: OT - ugh!

 Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a 
 different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we 
 are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we 
 changed our mind... We did not realize you were with the same company 
 for 15 years...  WTF?

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

If you get into anything just for the money, you will not make it.  And it
by chance you do make it, you will not be happy.

I give away a lot of time and info for free (as I know MBS, ASB and BD
do).  I have actually told prospects that I have an article written that
covers the work they want me to do.  They can follow the article and if
they have any questions or problems, give me a call.

You know what?  I am not having to worry about money. :)

BTW, if you know some Linux/Unix stuff AND you are a packet-head type
person, you should get into the Citrix NetScaler.  As busy as us XenApp
and XenDesktop people are, my NetScaler friends are buried in work and
can't keep up.  I know three CTPs whose businesses are BEGGING for
NetScaler people.  And most NetScaler work can be done remotely.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/



On 2/7/12 1:30 PM, ANDREW F OFALT afo...@psu.edu wrote:

I agree with this, unfortunately I find looking for a job to be a job.
Not quite my passion...

But I am looking for a job so my plan over the next 9 years would be to


1st 3 years - get a certification in VMware (or on any virtualized
platform) and from this list it looks like a Citrix Certification would
be a good addition.
The next 3 year job - get a up to date certification in CCNE and MCSE.
The next 3 year job - to be determined.  Or insert you own views for my
development at your company.

I am pretty good with the basics and consider myself very knowledgeable
in most...

Contact me offline for the positions you want me in.  Also provide the
information for each 3 year period you would want me to work.
Of course I expect a decent salary and significant increases when
changing jobs.
Even though I have been at my present job for quite a while, we have had
a lot of diversification with the system admins that have gone through
our network.  Each one brings in his own ideas and setups, then moves on
after setting up his own opinion.  Then we are left to troubleshoot the
problems and try to provide reliability with what was left.

They bring in their own new ways so we do see different ways to do and
not to do things.
We are exposed.

I am looking to make it in your next review cycle.

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Matthew W. Ross]

We tell all sales calls, especially any cold calls, that we prefer any 
correspondence via email. We inform them that we answer support calls for a 
school district, and we don't have time to discuss every vendor's 
product/service and the opportunities they may provide. If we like the product 
and we are genuinely interested, we will contact them back.

Most sales people are kind enough to comply to our request.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Ben Scott
[mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 07 Feb 2012
14:00:53 -0800
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!


 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now,
  and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling
  in-person meeting thing.
 
  If you tell them that you don't like to be handled, they won't.
  A lot of sales people can turn it on and off.
 
   It surprises me how many can't turn it off.  To the point where it's
 cost them business (i.e., calling every month just to see what's
 going on, no matter how many times I've told them not to).  Spam
 delivered via telephone is still spam.
 
   Of course, many do listen, which is appreciated.
 
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Re: OT - ugh!

[Jon Harris]

I would suggest you get the first one of those two on the to do list.  I
can't comment much on the second as that is my major problem as well.

Jon

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:28 PM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote:

 I did give some thought to that, it's on my to-do list right next to
 build a decent lab and try to stop eating as much rich food

 On 7 February 2012 19:17, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote:

 I will suggest you invest in your own domain name.  (You can still use
 blogspot).  It's pretty cheap, it also makes things more portable and
 later, you can use it for your email should you go independant and not lose
 the existing work or your 'identity branding'.


 On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:39 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
 to be enjoying it! Good call.

 Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your bigot moniker for
 the title for my blog.

 Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
 http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

 Cheers,




 JR

 On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
 CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software
 with a LOT of options.

  Thanks


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

   I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
 anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
 concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the
 moment, IMO)
 Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
 --
 *From: *Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
 *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 +
 *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *ReplyTo: *NT System Admin Issues 
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

   I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed
 and prodded me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people
 started reading.  Once people started reading, I gained a name in the
 Citrix space.  Once I got a name, I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got
 the CTP, I was instantly in a really nice network of extremely smart 
 people.

  I initially balked at the idea of going solo because just how much
 Citrix work can there possibly be out there?  And besides, who in the
 world would hire me! to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site,
 Experts Exchange, fellow CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.

  Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have
 anything to share) with the community and you may be surprised at what
 opens up for you.

  If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you
 to do), be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.
  Only those who stick their neck out and share, get recognized.

  I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you
 see the word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network
 Admin, Network Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).

  I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work
 offers every week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes
 my way or all the AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.

  I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I
 thought MBS was nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr
 plus expenses and have had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As
 busy as I am, maybe I need to up my rates again! :)

  Thanks


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800

 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

   This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched
 on, do any of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your
 own thing going?
 For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website,
 contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

  Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get
 going.  I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on
 clients for ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth,
 or how did you keep an income stream coming in at the beginning?

  Don K

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RE: OT - ugh!

[ntsysadmin]

I agree totally. Right now about 80% of the IT work I do is on a volunteer 
basis, for a medium-sized private school. I love the work and enjoy knowing 
that I'm helping to fill a position that would otherwise detract from the 
teachers' salaries or maybe not be filled at all. I also have enough side work 
to keep the bills paid for now. :)

Mike

If you get into anything just for the money, you will not make it.  And it by 
chance you do make it, you will not be happy.

I give away a lot of time and info for free (as I know MBS, ASB and BD do).  I 
have actually told prospects that I have an article written that covers the 
work they want me to do.  They can follow the article and if they have any 
questions or problems, give me a call.


-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

If you get into anything just for the money, you will not make it.  And it by 
chance you do make it, you will not be happy.

I give away a lot of time and info for free (as I know MBS, ASB and BD do).  I 
have actually told prospects that I have an article written that covers the 
work they want me to do.  They can follow the article and if they have any 
questions or problems, give me a call.

You know what?  I am not having to worry about money. :)

BTW, if you know some Linux/Unix stuff AND you are a packet-head type person, 
you should get into the Citrix NetScaler.  As busy as us XenApp and XenDesktop 
people are, my NetScaler friends are buried in work and can't keep up.  I know 
three CTPs whose businesses are BEGGING for NetScaler people.  And most 
NetScaler work can be done remotely.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com 
http://www.carlwebster.com/



On 2/7/12 1:30 PM, ANDREW F OFALT afo...@psu.edu wrote:

I agree with this, unfortunately I find looking for a job to be a job.
Not quite my passion...

But I am looking for a job so my plan over the next 9 years would be to 


1st 3 years - get a certification in VMware (or on any virtualized
platform) and from this list it looks like a Citrix Certification would 
be a good addition.
The next 3 year job - get a up to date certification in CCNE and MCSE.
The next 3 year job - to be determined.  Or insert you own views for my 
development at your company.

I am pretty good with the basics and consider myself very knowledgeable 
in most...

Contact me offline for the positions you want me in.  Also provide the 
information for each 3 year period you would want me to work.
Of course I expect a decent salary and significant increases when 
changing jobs.
Even though I have been at my present job for quite a while, we have 
had a lot of diversification with the system admins that have gone 
through our network.  Each one brings in his own ideas and setups, then 
moves on after setting up his own opinion.  Then we are left to 
troubleshoot the problems and try to provide reliability with what was left.

They bring in their own new ways so we do see different ways to do and 
not to do things.
We are exposed.

I am looking to make it in your next review cycle.

Andy0



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RE: OT - ugh!

[Mathew Shember]

Indeed.

One of my wife's friends was that way.  We would go somewhere just to hang out 
and the pitch would eventually happen.

Some can't help themselves especially if you happen to work for a large company.

Luckily my job keeps me away from my desk phone.  ;-)


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now, and every 
 salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting 
 thing.

 If you tell them that you don't like to be handled, they won't.
 A lot of sales people can turn it on and off.

  It surprises me how many can't turn it off.  To the point where it's cost 
them business (i.e., calling every month just to see what's going on, no 
matter how many times I've told them not to).  Spam delivered via telephone is 
still spam.

  Of course, many do listen, which is appreciated.

-- Ben

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RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook.  
Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr  Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying we changed 
our minds on our needs or we hired from inside. I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the 
process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when all 
of a sudden he says Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.

I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

 -Original Message-
 From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very 
 strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact 
 that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER 
 ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer, 
 period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can 
 fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied 
 background which would include more than one job over a decade. I 
 think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds 
 to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch 
 my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best 
 efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also 
 obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it!
 
 Murray
 
 -Original Message-
 From: James Hill
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
 I feel for you.
 
 But try and look at this way.  If they can't see the value you can 
 offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you were 
 employed by them.
 
 You are better

RE: OT - ugh!

[John Hornbuckle]

Sometimes you just have to say that even if the system sucks, it is what it 
is--you have to play the game. You could say the same for certs (someone 
without certs could be better at a job than someone with them), experience 
(someone with five years of experience could be better than someone with 15), 
or any other criteria.

If you're in a position to do it, go for the degree if you feel like it will 
open doors for you. Many schools offer online programs aimed at people who 
work. Maybe I'm too much like the scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz, but just 
having that piece of paper makes me feel good.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us


-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Convince Corporate American HR that's the best way to handle it. Because I have 
no college degree I can't even get an interview for jobs I'm more than 
technically qualified to handle.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families



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RE: OT - ugh!

[Maglinger, Paul]

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
non-college educated people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not educated enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook.  
Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr  Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying we changed 
our minds on our needs or we hired from inside. I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the 
process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when all 
of a sudden he says Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.

I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

 -Original Message-
 From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very 
 strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact 
 that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER 
 ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer, 
 period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can 
 fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied 
 background which would include more than one job over a decade. I 
 think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds 
 to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch 
 my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best 
 efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them

RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
non-college educated people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not educated enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook.  
Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr  Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying we changed 
our minds on our needs or we hired from inside. I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the 
process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when all 
of a sudden he says Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.

I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

 -Original Message-
 From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very 
 strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact 
 that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER 
 ever heard of a company

RE: OT - ugh!

[pdw1914]

I think I remember reading something about that game.  Isn't that where, when 
their team loses, half the fans riot?  
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:38:36 +



I was told once being a Sunderland fan helped me get a job. Not that you US 
guys will even know about football. Real football, that is. Played with feet :-)
Sent from my SR-71 BlackbirdFrom:  Guyer, Donald dgu...@che.org
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:13:52 -0500To: NT System Admin 
Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comReplyTo:  NT System Admin Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: OT - ugh!
There are soo many factors that come into play during the hiring 
process. Tech skills, personality, appearance, education, communication 
skills….the list goes on. Sometimes something that both parties share in common 
that pops up in the casual part of the interview sways it. Hobbies, music, 
sports…. Hell, I landed a gig awhile back, where my boss told me he hired me in 
large part due to the fact that I had a modified Jeep (he owned one too). I was 
told by my new employer that what stood out for me was the way I answered the 
scenario questions regarding prioritizing and IT’s role in supporting the 
business (availability, bottom line, etc). They asked me very few technical 
questions, based on the fact that I’ve been in IT since the late 80s. Some I 
couldn’t answer, but I was honest and they told me that was another thing they 
liked about me. Sometimes I equate the whole process to blindly throwing a 
dart… Don GuyerDirectory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Exactly. Hiring rules are very dependent upon who is 
doing the hiring, the formal HR processes in the organization, what industry is 
involved, the geography in question, and the perceived level/degree of 
competition/demand for the position. There are very few hard and fast 
rules.ASBhttp://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerHarnessing the Advantages of Technology 
for the SMB market…

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM, John Hornbuckle 
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote:Well, I’m all confused. I keep hearing 
that employers are looking for loyalty, and that job-hoppers make hiring 
managers nervous. Darned if you do, darned if you don’t.   John Hornbuckle, 
MSMIS, PMPMIS DepartmentTaylor County School Districtwww.taylor.k12.fl.us   
From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM
To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Re: OT - ugh!  I do not agree with the 
mentality, but I have heard the argument: If they were any good, they would be 
changing jobs every 2-5 years to expand their skills. Depending on the 
environment, most companies change (refresh technology) every 2-5 years so that 
would force some expansion of skills. Another scenario is that you started in 
one role and changed your role, probably more than once in that 15 years. Sorry 
for the bad news, hopefully you will find something. RobertOn Wed, Feb 1, 2012 
at 6:19 PM, Jacob Kisner jbdkis...@gmail.com wrote:Nothing sucks more than 
being interviewed for a position at a
different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
changed our mind... We did not realize you were with the same company
for 15 years...  WTF?~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a 
resource hog! ~
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RE: OT - ugh!

[pdw1914]

I think I remember reading something about that game.  Isn't that where, when 
their team loses, half the fans riot?  
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:38:36 +



I was told once being a Sunderland fan helped me get a job. Not that you US 
guys will even know about football. Real football, that is. Played with feet :-)
Sent from my SR-71 BlackbirdFrom:  Guyer, Donald dgu...@che.org
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:13:52 -0500To: NT System Admin 
Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comReplyTo:  NT System Admin Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: OT - ugh!
There are soo many factors that come into play during the hiring 
process. Tech skills, personality, appearance, education, communication 
skills….the list goes on. Sometimes something that both parties share in common 
that pops up in the casual part of the interview sways it. Hobbies, music, 
sports…. Hell, I landed a gig awhile back, where my boss told me he hired me in 
large part due to the fact that I had a modified Jeep (he owned one too). I was 
told by my new employer that what stood out for me was the way I answered the 
scenario questions regarding prioritizing and IT’s role in supporting the 
business (availability, bottom line, etc). They asked me very few technical 
questions, based on the fact that I’ve been in IT since the late 80s. Some I 
couldn’t answer, but I was honest and they told me that was another thing they 
liked about me. Sometimes I equate the whole process to blindly throwing a 
dart… Don GuyerDirectory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Exactly. Hiring rules are very dependent upon who is 
doing the hiring, the formal HR processes in the organization, what industry is 
involved, the geography in question, and the perceived level/degree of 
competition/demand for the position. There are very few hard and fast 
rules.ASBhttp://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerHarnessing the Advantages of Technology 
for the SMB market…

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM, John Hornbuckle 
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote:Well, I’m all confused. I keep hearing 
that employers are looking for loyalty, and that job-hoppers make hiring 
managers nervous. Darned if you do, darned if you don’t.   John Hornbuckle, 
MSMIS, PMPMIS DepartmentTaylor County School Districtwww.taylor.k12.fl.us   
From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM
To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Re: OT - ugh!  I do not agree with the 
mentality, but I have heard the argument: If they were any good, they would be 
changing jobs every 2-5 years to expand their skills. Depending on the 
environment, most companies change (refresh technology) every 2-5 years so that 
would force some expansion of skills. Another scenario is that you started in 
one role and changed your role, probably more than once in that 15 years. Sorry 
for the bad news, hopefully you will find something. RobertOn Wed, Feb 1, 2012 
at 6:19 PM, Jacob Kisner jbdkis...@gmail.com wrote:Nothing sucks more than 
being interviewed for a position at a
different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
changed our mind... We did not realize you were with the same company
for 15 years...  WTF?~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a 
resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Rankin, James R]

I wish. I'd have spent most of last year rioting. :-)

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: pdw1...@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:17:56 
To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: OT - ugh!



I think I remember reading something about that game.  Isn't that where, when 
their team loses, half the fans riot?  
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:38:36 +



I was told once being a Sunderland fan helped me get a job. Not that you US 
guys will even know about football. Real football, that is. Played with feet :-)
Sent from my SR-71 BlackbirdFrom:  Guyer, Donald dgu...@che.org
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:13:52 -0500To: NT System Admin 
Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comReplyTo:  NT System Admin Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: OT - ugh!
There are soo many factors that come into play during the hiring 
process. Tech skills, personality, appearance, education, communication 
skills….the list goes on. Sometimes something that both parties share in common 
that pops up in the casual part of the interview sways it. Hobbies, music, 
sports…. Hell, I landed a gig awhile back, where my boss told me he hired me in 
large part due to the fact that I had a modified Jeep (he owned one too). I was 
told by my new employer that what stood out for me was the way I answered the 
scenario questions regarding prioritizing and IT’s role in supporting the 
business (availability, bottom line, etc). They asked me very few technical 
questions, based on the fact that I’ve been in IT since the late 80s. Some I 
couldn’t answer, but I was honest and they told me that was another thing they 
liked about me. Sometimes I equate the whole process to blindly throwing a 
dart… Don GuyerDirectory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Exactly. Hiring rules are very dependent upon who is 
doing the hiring, the formal HR processes in the organization, what industry is 
involved, the geography in question, and the perceived level/degree of 
competition/demand for the position. There are very few hard and fast 
rules.ASBhttp://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerHarnessing the Advantages of Technology 
for the SMB market…

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM, John Hornbuckle 
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote:Well, I’m all confused. I keep hearing 
that employers are looking for loyalty, and that job-hoppers make hiring 
managers nervous. Darned if you do, darned if you don’t.   John Hornbuckle, 
MSMIS, PMPMIS DepartmentTaylor County School Districtwww.taylor.k12.fl.us   
From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM
To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Re: OT - ugh!  I do not agree with the 
mentality, but I have heard the argument: If they were any good, they would be 
changing jobs every 2-5 years to expand their skills. Depending on the 
environment, most companies change (refresh technology) every 2-5 years so that 
would force some expansion of skills. Another scenario is that you started in 
one role and changed your role, probably more than once in that 15 years. Sorry 
for the bad news, hopefully you will find something. RobertOn Wed, Feb 1, 2012 
at 6:19 PM, Jacob Kisner jbdkis...@gmail.com wrote:Nothing sucks more than 
being interviewed for a position at a
different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
changed our mind... We did not realize you were with the same company
for 15 years...  WTF?~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a 
resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six
years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting
the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
contributed to convincing me to do the same.

On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
 I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

 I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
 week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some
 non-college educated people were able to start successful businesses was
 the fact that they were not educated enough to realize the risks
 involved.  An interesting thought, isn't it?

 -Original Message-
 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do
 need brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love,
 it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about
 what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our less
 passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways
 to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and seeking
 out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at Windows
 administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for it is far
 higher.

 Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded.
 Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in
 1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a
 billionaire, right? Wrong.

 Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of
 programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two
 co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area.
 The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal
 for the school's computer club in 1968.

 A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to
 a terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to
 programming.

 The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager,
 Gates fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home
 after bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired
 their10,000 hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the
 time came to launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.

 http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

 And another recommended read:
 http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

 Dave.


 -Original Message-
 From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or
 Facebook.  Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

 Ben M. Schorr
 Roland Schorr  Tower
 www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

 -Original Message-
 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.
 Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess
 the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech
 industry? Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand
 that thinking.

 It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying we
 changed our minds on our needs or we hired from inside. I've heard of
 that kind of thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't
 told what was really happening.

 Dave

 -Original Message-
 From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for
 a very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in
 the process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes
 when all of a sudden he says Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no
 college degree.  This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.

 I then took MBS' advice

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

Hey now, I represent that remark! :)

It is almost 8:30AM here in Anchorage and it is pitch black outside.  But
at leas it is a nice warm 19 degrees F.  When I went to the store
yesterday at 3PM, it was 16 degrees and people here were wearing shorts
and t-shirts!!!  Even the policemen outside were in short-sleeves.

Different world here.

Is anyone on this list in Anchorage?


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/






On 2/6/12 6:47 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much
earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that
some non-college educated people were able to start successful
businesses was the fact that they were not educated enough to realize
the risks involved.  An interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do
need brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you
love, it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate
about what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our
less passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new
ways to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and
seeking out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at
Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for
it is far higher.

Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded.
Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in
1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become
a billionaire, right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two
co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area.
The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal
for the school's computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to
a terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager,
Gates fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home
after bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired
their10,000 hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the
time came to launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read:
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or
Facebook.  Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr  Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only
guess the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech
industry? Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand
that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying we
changed our minds on our needs or we hired from inside. I've heard of
that kind of thing before - where what the person not getting hired
wasn't told what was really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position
for a very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or
7 in the process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45
minutes when all of a sudden he says Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize
you had no college degree.  This position requires a degree.  Sorry.
Click.

I then took MBS' advice

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.

On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.commailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
non-college educated people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not educated enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.commailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook.  
Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr  Tower
www.rolandschorr.comhttp://www.rolandschorr.com | 
www.officeforlawyers.comhttp://www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-
From: David Lum

Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Stop rubbing it in.  :)

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.
  Don't know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo!
 LOL

  Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a
 lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2
 AD infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no
 longer do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

  I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't
 have the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
 already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
 September yet! :)


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

  I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six
 years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting
 the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

 It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
 work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
 contributed to convincing me to do the same.

 On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
 I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

 I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
 week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that
 some non-college educated people were able to start successful businesses
 was the fact that they were not educated enough to realize the risks
 involved.  An interesting thought, isn't it?

 -Original Message-
 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do
 need brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love,
 it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about
 what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our less
 passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways
 to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and seeking
 out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at Windows
 administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for it is far
 higher.

 Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded.
 Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in
 1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a
 billionaire, right? Wrong.

 Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of
 programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two
 co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area.
 The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal
 for the school's computer club in 1968.

 A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to
 a terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to
 programming.

 The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager,
 Gates fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home
 after bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired
 their10,000 hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the
 time came to launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.

 http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

 And another recommended read:
 http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

 Dave.


 -Original Message-
 From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or
 Facebook.  Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

 Ben M. Schorr
 Roland Schorr  Tower
 www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

 -Original Message-
 From: David Lum

Re: OT - ugh!

[Rankin, James R]

Hey, you get any Citrix work this side of the pond, chuck it my way. I am 
booked solid till three weeks' time :-)

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:31:28 
To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.

On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.commailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
non-college educated people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not educated enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.commailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Saturday

Re: OT - ugh!

[Erik Goldoff]

I don't know about Anchorage but Sean Martin is somewhere in AK IIRC

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

 Hey now, I represent that remark! :)

 It is almost 8:30AM here in Anchorage and it is pitch black outside.  But
 at leas it is a nice warm 19 degrees F.  When I went to the store
 yesterday at 3PM, it was 16 degrees and people here were wearing shorts
 and t-shirts!!!  Even the policemen outside were in short-sleeves.

 Different world here.

 Is anyone on this list in Anchorage?


 Carl Webster
 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/ 
 http://www.carlwebster.com/






 On 2/6/12 6:47 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
 I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much
 earlier.
 
 I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
 week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
 
 Regards,
 
 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
 I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that
 some non-college educated people were able to start successful
 businesses was the fact that they were not educated enough to realize
 the risks involved.  An interesting thought, isn't it?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
 No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do
 need brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you
 love, it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate
 about what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our
 less passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new
 ways to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and
 seeking out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at
 Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for
 it is far higher.
 
 Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded.
 Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in
 1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become
 a billionaire, right? Wrong.
 
 Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of
 programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two
 co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area.
 The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal
 for the school's computer club in 1968.
 
 A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to
 a terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to
 programming.
 
 The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager,
 Gates fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home
 after bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired
 their10,000 hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the
 time came to launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.
 
 http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/
 
 And another recommended read:
 http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html
 
 Dave.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
 Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
 Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or
 Facebook.  Well...at least not to be CEO of either...
 
 Ben M. Schorr
 Roland Schorr  Tower
 www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr
 
 -Original Message-
 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.
 Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only
 guess the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech
 industry? Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand
 that thinking.
 
 It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying we
 changed our minds on our needs or we hired from inside. I've heard of
 that kind of thing before - where what the person not getting hired
 wasn't told what was really happening.
 
 Dave
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
 Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix

Re: OT - ugh!

[Don Kuhlman]

This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any 
of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own thing going?
For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, 
contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.  I'm 
thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing 
support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an 
income stream coming in at the beginning?

Don K




 From: Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:47 AM
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
non-college educated people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not educated enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook.  
Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr  Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying we changed 
our minds on our needs or we hired from inside. I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like

Re: OT - ugh!

[Sean Martin]

I'm in Anchorage. You wanna meet up so you can smack me for that
off-hand remark about XenServer a few months back? :) If it makes you
feel any better, we will be virtualizing our XenApp infrastructure on
XenServer in a data center we're deploying in AZ later this year.

Did you get to enjoy our foot of snow coming down on Friday or did you
fly in over the weekend?

I may have some other questions for you if you don't mind me pinging
you offlist. Mostly around your services potential and how much of a
presence you foresee in Alaska.

- Sean

On 2/6/12, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 Hey now, I represent that remark! :)

 It is almost 8:30AM here in Anchorage and it is pitch black outside.  But
 at leas it is a nice warm 19 degrees F.  When I went to the store
 yesterday at 3PM, it was 16 degrees and people here were wearing shorts
 and t-shirts!!!  Even the policemen outside were in short-sleeves.

 Different world here.

 Is anyone on this list in Anchorage?


 Carl Webster
 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/






 On 2/6/12 6:47 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much
earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that
some non-college educated people were able to start successful
businesses was the fact that they were not educated enough to realize
the risks involved.  An interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do
need brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you
love, it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate
about what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our
less passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new
ways to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and
seeking out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at
Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for
it is far higher.

Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded.
Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in
1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become
a billionaire, right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two
co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area.
The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal
for the school's computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to
a terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager,
Gates fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home
after bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired
their10,000 hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the
time came to launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read:
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or
Facebook.  Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr  Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only
guess the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech
industry? Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand
that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying we
changed our minds on our needs or we hired from inside. I've heard of
that kind of thing before - where what the person

RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

It's all about word of mouth for me. This venue (the Sunbelt mailing lists) and 
another forum where I'm active kept me busy in the beginning, and then I 
started writing articles and business exploded.

I actually did advertise the first month or two, locally; and sent a few emails 
to companies that had asked about my services in the past. In my case, as far 
as I could see, advertising had a zero percent success rate (and therefore a 
zero percent ROI). Sending those emails was good about 25% of the time (which, 
overall, is a pretty good success rate).

I've also made quite a few contacts via LinkedIn and my blog.

I'm very much a soft peddle person when it comes to marketing. I'm not cheap, 
and I know that, and I've lost several bids over the years because of that. But 
more than once folks have come back after the first consultant screwed it up 
and I got to go fix it. Those tend to be VERY loyal customers. ;-)

I lost money the first two months, broke even the third, and have been in 
positive territory ever since. I wouldn't have lost money those first two 
months if I hadn't spent the money on advertising. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any 
of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own thing going?
For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, 
contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.  I'm 
thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing 
support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an 
income stream coming in at the beginning?

Don K


From: Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com
To: NT System Admin Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:47 AM
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.commailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
non-college educated people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not educated enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended

Re: OT - ugh!

[Rankin, James R]

I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT 
which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense 
(which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 
To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: OT - ugh!

I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed and prodded 
me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people started reading.  
Once people started reading, I gained a name in the Citrix space.  Once I got 
a name, I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got the CTP, I was instantly in a 
really nice network of extremely smart people.

I initially balked at the idea of going solo because just how much Citrix work 
can there possibly be out there?  And besides, who in the world would hire me! 
to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site, Experts Exchange, fellow 
CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.

Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything to 
share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for you.

If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to do), 
be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.  Only those who 
stick their neck out and share, get recognized.

I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you see the 
word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin, Network 
Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).

I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers every 
week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way or all the 
AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.

I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought MBS was 
nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus expenses and have 
had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As busy as I am, maybe I need 
to up my rates again! :)

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.commailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any 
of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own thing going?
For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, 
contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.  I'm 
thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing 
support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an 
income stream coming in at the beginning?

Don K


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RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

Stoppit, you guys are making me dream...

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed and prodded 
me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people started reading.  
Once people started reading, I gained a name in the Citrix space.  Once I got 
a name, I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got the CTP, I was instantly in a 
really nice network of extremely smart people.

I initially balked at the idea of going solo because just how much Citrix work 
can there possibly be out there?  And besides, who in the world would hire me! 
to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site, Experts Exchange, fellow 
CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.

Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything to 
share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for you.

If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to do), 
be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.  Only those who 
stick their neck out and share, get recognized.

I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you see the 
word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin, Network 
Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).

I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers every 
week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way or all the 
AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.

I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought MBS was 
nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus expenses and have 
had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As busy as I am, maybe I need 
to up my rates again! :)

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.commailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any 
of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own thing going?
For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, 
contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.  I'm 
thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing 
support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an 
income stream coming in at the beginning?

Don K


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Re: OT - ugh!

[Don Kuhlman]

Wow - that's very cool. Carl.  Also very encouraging.  Thanks for sharing!

Don K




 From: Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 

I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed and prodded 
me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people started reading.  
Once people started reading, I gained a name in the Citrix space.  Once I got 
a name, I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got the CTP, I was instantly in a 
really nice network of extremely smart people.

I initially balked at the idea of going solo because just how much Citrix work 
can there possibly be out there?  And besides, who in the world would hire me! 
to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site, Experts Exchange, fellow 
CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.

Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything to 
share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for you.

If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to do), 
be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.  Only those who 
stick their neck out and share, get recognized.

I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you see the 
word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin, Network 
Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).

I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers every 
week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way or all the 
AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.

I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought MBS was 
nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus expenses and have 
had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As busy as I am, maybe I need 
to up my rates again! :)

Thanks


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com
From: Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com
Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800
To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!


This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any 
of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own thing going?
For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, 
contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.  I'm 
thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing 
support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an 
income stream coming in at the beginning?

Don K

 
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Rankin, James R]

Agreed, it has a lot of power. I have done the ACP and ACS qualifications and 
always try to work with it, so I think I have just found something to occupy 
the spare two days I have coming up :-)

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: Webster webs...@carlwebster.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:49:33 
To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: OT - ugh!

PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner 
status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of 
options.

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT 
which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense 
(which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)
Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

From: Webster webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 +
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed and prodded 
me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people started reading.  
Once people started reading, I gained a name in the Citrix space.  Once I got 
a name, I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got the CTP, I was instantly in a 
really nice network of extremely smart people.

I initially balked at the idea of going solo because just how much Citrix work 
can there possibly be out there?  And besides, who in the world would hire me! 
to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site, Experts Exchange, fellow 
CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.

Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything to 
share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for you.

If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to do), 
be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.  Only those who 
stick their neck out and share, get recognized.

I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you see the 
word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin, Network 
Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).

I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers every 
week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way or all the 
AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.

I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought MBS was 
nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus expenses and have 
had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As busy as I am, maybe I need 
to up my rates again! :)

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.commailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any 
of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own thing going?
For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, 
contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.  I'm 
thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing 
support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an 
income stream coming in at the beginning?

Don K


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RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.commailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
non-college educated people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not educated enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates  Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready.

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz – 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

Simply awesome.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

I want it now. :)

Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Well stated, Michael.  :)

I have to say the same thing about advertising, btw...


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On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote:

  It’s all about word of mouth for me. This venue (the Sunbelt mailing
 lists) and another forum where I’m active kept me busy in the beginning,
 and then I started writing articles and business exploded.

 ** **

 I actually did advertise the first month or two, locally; and sent a few
 emails to companies that had asked about my services in the past. In my
 case, as far as I could see, advertising had a zero percent success rate
 (and therefore a zero percent ROI). Sending those emails was good about 25%
 of the time (which, overall, is a pretty good success rate).

 ** **

 I’ve also made quite a few contacts via LinkedIn and my blog.

 ** **

 I’m very much a “soft peddle” person when it comes to marketing. I’m not
 cheap, and I know that, and I’ve lost several bids over the years because
 of that. But more than once folks have come back after the first consultant
 screwed it up and I got to go fix it. Those tend to be VERY loyal
 customers. ;-)

 ** **

 I lost money the first two months, broke even the third, and have been in
 positive territory ever since. I wouldn’t have lost money those first two
 months if I hadn’t spent the money on advertising. :-P

 ** **

 Regards,

 ** **

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 ** **

 *From:* Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 2:01 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

  ** **

 This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do
 any of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own
 thing going?

 For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website,
 contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

 ** **

 Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.
 I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for
 ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did
 you keep an income stream coming in at the beginning?

 ** **

 Don K

 ** **
--

 *From:* Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2012 9:47 AM
 *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!
 


 I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
 I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

 I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
 week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some
 non-college educated people were able to start successful businesses was
 the fact that they were not educated enough to realize the risks
 involved.  An interesting thought, isn't it?

 -Original Message-
 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do
 need brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love,
 it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about
 what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our less
 passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways
 to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and seeking
 out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at Windows
 administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for it is far
 higher.

 Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded.
 Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in
 1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a
 billionaire, right? Wrong.

 Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of
 programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two
 co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area.
 The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal
 for the school's computer club in 1968.

 A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to
 a terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to
 programming.

 The Gates family lived near the University of Washington

RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

D*^ Web, it's been a year?

My how time flies

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

* If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or
commission! *

Not a bad idea. :)

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:

   I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my
 own Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there
 is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
 complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going
 to want a referral fee or commission!


Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

   From: David Lum david@nwea.org
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own
 biz – feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at
 how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
 fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS
 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months
 with nothing other than patching.

 ** **

 *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com webs...@carlwebster.com]

 *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
 know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

 ** **

 Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a
 lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2
 AD infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no
 longer do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

 ** **

 I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have
 the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
 already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
 September yet! :)

 ** **

 ** **

 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/

 ** **

 *From: *James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 *Reply-To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
 *To: *NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

 ** **

 I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six
 years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting
 the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

 It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
 work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
 contributed to convincing me to do the same.

 On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:*
 ***

 I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
 I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

 I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
 week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com





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Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

Hey now, mind your own business there!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: Andrew Baker asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:17:21 -0500
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission!

Not a bad idea. :)


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Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…





On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Webster 
webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz – 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com



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Re: OT - ugh!

[Kurt Buff]

You can look at it in one of two ways:

Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
the world.

The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.

The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

And being willing to travel...

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
 Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is
 very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
 complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to
 want a referral fee or commission!


 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com


 From: David Lum david@nwea.org
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz –
 feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how
 often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
 fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003
 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with
 nothing other than patching.



 From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
 know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL



 Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot
 of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD
 infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer
 do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.



 I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have
 the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
 already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
 September yet! :)





 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com



 From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years
 before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the
 amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

 It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
 work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
 contributed to convincing me to do the same.

 On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I
 already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

 I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
 week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

I know many other independents no different than Webster and I.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

You can look at it in one of two ways:

Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
the world.

The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.

The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

And being willing to travel...

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
 Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is
 very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
 complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to
 want a referral fee or commission!


 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com


 From: David Lum david@nwea.org
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz –
 feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how
 often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
 fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003
 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with
 nothing other than patching.



 From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
 know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL



 Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot
 of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD
 infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer
 do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.



 I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have
 the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
 already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
 September yet! :)





 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com



 From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years
 before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the
 amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

 It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
 work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
 contributed to convincing me to do the same.

 On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I
 already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

 I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
 week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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Re: OT - ugh!

[Jeff Steward]

I've spent the last year working for an ERP consulting company and I've
been in a lot of small businesses that have outsourced IT support.  I have
yet to meet a client who was happy with their outsourced provider.  The
message here is that there is plenty of room for qualified consultants to
get work.  My larger clients tend to be overworked, understaffed and that
is where the specialists come in -- at big bucks :)  It isn't so much that
they don't have the skills to do the job, it is that they don't have the
time to ramp up, or they know a consultant will get it done quicker - since
we specialize and do this 'stuff' all the time.

And for the record, although nothing has ever come to fruition, I have
mentioned some of you guys to clients, so your community service here is
working :)

-Jeff Steward

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote:

 I know many other independents no different than Webster and I.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

 You can look at it in one of two ways:

 Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

 The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
 daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
 applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
 specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
 on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
 the world.

 The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
 foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.

 The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

 And being willing to travel...

 Kurt

 On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
  I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
  Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there
 is
  very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
  complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is
 going to
  want a referral fee or commission!
 
 
  Carl Webster
 
  Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
 
  http://www.CarlWebster.com
 
 
  From: David Lum david@nwea.org
  Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
  To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
  That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz
 –
  feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how
  often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
  fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS
 2003
  – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months
 with
  nothing other than patching.
 
 
 
  From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
  Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 
 
  I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
  know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
 
 
 
  Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a
 lot
  of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD
  infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no
 longer
  do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
 
 
 
  I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't
 have
  the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
  already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
  September yet! :)
 
 
 
 
 
  Carl Webster
 
  Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
 
  http://www.CarlWebster.com
 
 
 
  From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
  Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
  To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 
 
  I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six
 years
  before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the
  amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.
 
  It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
  work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
  contributed to convincing me to do the same.
 
  On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
 wrote:
 
  I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of
 what I
  already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much
 earlier.
 
  I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
  week) who waited even longer than I did

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

In 2007 I was doing so much AD and Exchange work, I seriously considered
dropping Citrix from my skill set.  I probably did 50% AD, 49% Exchange
and 1% Citrix.  Now it is 50% AD and 50% Citrix and my last production
Exchange project was June 2008.  My Exchange skills are so rusty, I am
embarrassed that from 2004 to 2007 I did around 90 Exchange migrations and
installs (which is where MBS and I formed our friendship) and now I do no
Exchange.  In 2007 and 2008 I did a few small Citrix projects (very small,
like 1 server each).  In July 2008, I asked to be taken off the road after
traveling 27 days a month for 18 months.  I literally did nothing from
July until late October.  That is when I started listening to MBS about
writing.  I had 3 skills: AD, Exchange and Citrix.  I found there was a
LOT of blogs and other sites dealing with both AD and Exchange and nothing
for learning Citrix.  So I decided to start writing about Citrix stuff.  I
got an Experts Exchange and started answering questions.  Most of the
questions, I couldn't answer right off hand so I had to lab the answers
and then started writing articles on my learning experiences.

That is why all my articles are Learning the Basics of ... or How Do I
Do ... type articles.  I actually did not know how to do a lot of the
Citrix stuff I was writing about so I had to read, read, read, study, lab,
lab, lab and hooked up with some Citrix employees who could answer some of
my questions.  Believe it or not, but I had never customized Web
Interface, never used CSG, never installed multiple servers, never used a
SQL data store, never never never etc etc etc.

Now I travel the country working on some of the largest Citrix installs
for some of the largest enterprises in the world.

Read, study, lab: rinse, lather, repeat

You can do the same.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/






On 2/6/12 4:19 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

You can look at it in one of two ways:

Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
the world.

The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.

The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

And being willing to travel...

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my
own
 Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there
is
 very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
 complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is
going to
 want a referral fee or commission!


 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com




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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

In 1994 I installed Pegasus Mail (Mercury) on a Netware server. It didn't scale 
to the requirements of the telecommunications company at which I was working. 
So... In 1995 I migrated to Exchange.

Exchange 5.0 had very poor standards compliance. I started complaining and 
haven't stopped complaining to the Exchange team since. :-) In order to give my 
complaints substance, I had to learn everything about how the product worked 
and what the RFCs said. Then I started answering questions on BIX, CompuServe, 
and Usenet - and then here, starting around 1998/1999. I did my first hosted 
Exchange deployment in 1999 (for a dot-com company long since defunct). I took 
a couple of years off in the very early 2000's to build a new business, but 
then came back and started blogging and answering questions and building ASPs 
and doing hosted Exchange, hosted IIS, and hosted Windows Server.

Before the release of Exchange 2003, it was obvious that Exchange could be a 
HUGE drain on AD. So I got up to a very advanced level on AD (although I had 
more than a passing familiarity with it before then, since AD was based on the 
Exchange LDAP engine).

No installation of Exchange stands alone - so you have to know how to measure 
performance and deploy servers quickly and take service tickets. That leads to 
Operations Manager and Configuration Manager and Service Manager.

Of course, doing all that stuff manually is error prone so you have to automate 
it - first via VBScript and now with PowerShell.

And thus: those define my primary skill sets. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

In 2007 I was doing so much AD and Exchange work, I seriously considered
dropping Citrix from my skill set.  I probably did 50% AD, 49% Exchange
and 1% Citrix.  Now it is 50% AD and 50% Citrix and my last production
Exchange project was June 2008.  My Exchange skills are so rusty, I am
embarrassed that from 2004 to 2007 I did around 90 Exchange migrations and
installs (which is where MBS and I formed our friendship) and now I do no
Exchange.  In 2007 and 2008 I did a few small Citrix projects (very small,
like 1 server each).  In July 2008, I asked to be taken off the road after
traveling 27 days a month for 18 months.  I literally did nothing from
July until late October.  That is when I started listening to MBS about
writing.  I had 3 skills: AD, Exchange and Citrix.  I found there was a
LOT of blogs and other sites dealing with both AD and Exchange and nothing
for learning Citrix.  So I decided to start writing about Citrix stuff.  I
got an Experts Exchange and started answering questions.  Most of the
questions, I couldn't answer right off hand so I had to lab the answers
and then started writing articles on my learning experiences.

That is why all my articles are Learning the Basics of ... or How Do I
Do ... type articles.  I actually did not know how to do a lot of the
Citrix stuff I was writing about so I had to read, read, read, study, lab,
lab, lab and hooked up with some Citrix employees who could answer some of
my questions.  Believe it or not, but I had never customized Web
Interface, never used CSG, never installed multiple servers, never used a
SQL data store, never never never etc etc etc.

Now I travel the country working on some of the largest Citrix installs
for some of the largest enterprises in the world.

Read, study, lab: rinse, lather, repeat

You can do the same.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com http://www.carlwebster.com/






On 2/6/12 4:19 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

You can look at it in one of two ways:

Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
the world.

The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.

The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

And being willing to travel...

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my
own
 Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there
is
 very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
 complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is
going to
 want a referral fee or commission!


 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com

RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

Yeah I already figured I'd need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest 
one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during non-server upgrade months. It 
would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and 
I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single 
it would have been a no-brainer long ago...

Dave


From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I want it now. :)

Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I'll write it anyway: if you believe, 
the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door 
when opportunity knocks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Yeah I already figured I'd need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest 
one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during non-server upgrade months. It 
would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and 
I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single 
it would have been a no-brainer long ago...

Dave


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I want it now. :)

Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

Whoa...déjà vu...

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I'll write it anyway: if you believe, 
the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door 
when opportunity knocks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Yeah I already figured I'd need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest 
one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during non-server upgrade months. It 
would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and 
I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single 
it would have been a no-brainer long ago...

Dave


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I want it now. :)

Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing

Re: OT - ugh!

[Kurt Buff]

Didn't mean to imply that you're entirely unique between the two of
you, just that you occupy a niche - it's probably a fairly large
niche, I would guess.

Probably that niche is going to grow, too, but it won't consist of
folks who don't have some specialised skills, or whose skills are too
specialised.

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 17:33, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 I know many other independents no different than Webster and I.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

 You can look at it in one of two ways:

 Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

 The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
 daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
 applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
 specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
 on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
 the world.

 The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
 foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.

 The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

 And being willing to travel...

 Kurt

 On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
 Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is
 very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
 complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to
 want a referral fee or commission!


 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com


 From: David Lum david@nwea.org
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz –
 feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how
 often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
 fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003
 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with
 nothing other than patching.



 From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
 know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL



 Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot
 of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD
 infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer
 do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.



 I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have
 the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
 already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
 September yet! :)





 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com



 From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years
 before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the
 amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

 It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
 work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
 contributed to convincing me to do the same.

 On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I
 already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

 I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
 week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Sean Martin]

Virtualization (of any flavor) and storage are two other areas where expert 
skills are highly sought after.

- Sean

On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote:

 Didn't mean to imply that you're entirely unique between the two of
 you, just that you occupy a niche - it's probably a fairly large
 niche, I would guess.
 
 Probably that niche is going to grow, too, but it won't consist of
 folks who don't have some specialised skills, or whose skills are too
 specialised.
 
 Kurt
 
 On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 17:33, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 I know many other independents no different than Webster and I.
 
 Regards,
 
 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 You can look at it in one of two ways:
 
 Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.
 
 The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
 daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
 applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
 specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
 on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
 the world.
 
 The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
 foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.
 
 The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.
 
 And being willing to travel...
 
 Kurt
 
 On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
 Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is
 very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
 complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to
 want a referral fee or commission!
 
 
 Carl Webster
 
 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
 
 http://www.CarlWebster.com
 
 
 From: David Lum david@nwea.org
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
 That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz –
 feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how
 often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
 fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003
 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with
 nothing other than patching.
 
 
 
 From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 
 
 I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
 know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
 
 
 
 Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot
 of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD
 infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer
 do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
 
 
 
 I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have
 the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
 already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
 September yet! :)
 
 
 
 
 
 Carl Webster
 
 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
 
 http://www.CarlWebster.com
 
 
 
 From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 
 
 I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years
 before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the
 amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.
 
 It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
 work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
 contributed to convincing me to do the same.
 
 On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
 
 I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I
 already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.
 
 I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
 week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
 
 Regards,
 
 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
 
 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~
 
 ---
 To manage subscriptions click here:
 http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
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RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

I got on 90 planes last year and flew ~120K miles, almost all domestically. 
Some years I'm in and out of Asia and Europe every month or two.

I haven't ventured to do support though and don't really have any desire to 
thus far - just project work and advisory stuff.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I want it now. :)

Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.comhttp://www.carlwebster.com/

From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
Reply-To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

Michael is a good example of folks that are successful without traveling a ton. 
I know a few others, but, at least for me, part of the job is getting on the 
plane all the time. I generally do every other week with some fill-ins and some 
months with limited travel. 

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-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

You can look at it in one of two ways:

Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing daily 
grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations, applying 
antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so specialised that 
your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company on its staff doing 
something that only applies to 3 other companies in the world.

The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT foodchain 
- and then exploit the hell out of it.

The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

And being willing to travel...

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my 
 own Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as 
 there is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  
 Yes, I am complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, 
 MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission!


 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com


 From: David Lum david@nwea.org
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own 
 biz – feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always 
 amazed at how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even 
 have different fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I 
 am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these 
 clients I can go months with nothing other than patching.



 From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  
 Don't know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go 
 solo! LOL



 Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing 
 a lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 
 2008 R2 AD infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% 
 Citrix.  I no longer do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.



 I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't 
 have the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July 
 and already starting to worry because no one is calling about August 
 or September yet! :)





 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com



 From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
 To: NT Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six 
 years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself 
 counting the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

 It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he 
 could work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that 
 possibly contributed to convincing me to do the same.

 On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com wrote:

 I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of 
 what I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much 
 earlier.

 I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska 
 this
 week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

Outsourcing != Consulting, though. I equate outsourcing to ops. I don't go 
anywhere near that end of things as a consultant. I can't speak for others in 
this thread, though.

Thanks,
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From: Jeff Steward [mailto:jstew...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I've spent the last year working for an ERP consulting company and I've been in 
a lot of small businesses that have outsourced IT support.  I have yet to meet 
a client who was happy with their outsourced provider.  The message here is 
that there is plenty of room for qualified consultants to get work.  My larger 
clients tend to be overworked, understaffed and that is where the specialists 
come in -- at big bucks :)  It isn't so much that they don't have the skills to 
do the job, it is that they don't have the time to ramp up, or they know a 
consultant will get it done quicker - since we specialize and do this 'stuff' 
all the time.

And for the record, although nothing has ever come to fruition, I have 
mentioned some of you guys to clients, so your community service here is 
working :)

-Jeff Steward
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I know many other independents no different than Webster and I.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

You can look at it in one of two ways:

Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
the world.

The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.

The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

And being willing to travel...

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster 
webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com wrote:
 I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
 Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is
 very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
 complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to
 want a referral fee or commission!


 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com


 From: David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
 Reply-To: NT Issues 
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
 To: NT Issues 
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz -
 feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how
 often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
 fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003
 - SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with
 nothing other than patching.



 From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.commailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
 Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
 know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL



 Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot
 of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD
 infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer
 do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.



 I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have
 the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
 already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
 September yet! :)





 Carl Webster

 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

 http://www.CarlWebster.com



 From: James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
 Reply-To: NT Issues 
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
 To: NT Issues 
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years
 before taking the plunge myself. Whereas

Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Just because they got in that way doesn't mean the practice continues... :)

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.   The more formal an organization,
the less flexibility there often is with the rules.

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Ben M. Schorr b...@rolandschorr.com wrote:

 Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or
 Facebook.  Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

 Ben M. Schorr
 Roland Schorr  Tower
 www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

 -Original Message-
 From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
 Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.
 Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess
 the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech
 industry? Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand
 that thinking.

 It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying we
 changed our minds on our needs or we hired from inside. I've heard of
 that kind of thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't
 told what was really happening.

 Dave

 -Original Message-
 From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for
 a very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in
 the process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes
 when all of a sudden he says Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no
 college degree.  This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.

 I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


 Carl Webster
 Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

  -Original Message-
  From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
  Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
  Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very
  strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact
  that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER
  ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer,
  period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can
  fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied
  background which would include more than one job over a decade. I
  think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds
  to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch
  my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best
  efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also
 obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it!
 
  Murray
 
  -Original Message-
  From: James Hill
  Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
  I feel for you.
 
  But try and look at this way.  If they can't see the value you can
  offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you were
  employed by them.
 
  You are better off with an employer that shares your values.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 9:52 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
  Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues.
 
  Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no
  project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff
  treating the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop
  the bleeding and stabilize the patient (gave then how I would do it),
  I can implement a more proactive approach to IT management and stop
  the fires (also gave
  details.)
 
  I guess they rather have the fires...
 
 
  On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
   That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15
   years...Sorry to hear that Jacob.
  
   I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice
   people so far.
  
   I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows
   background), but it's a job and a chance to learn.
  
   Good luck!
  
   Don K
  
   
   From: Jacob Kisner jbdkis...@gmail.com
   To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
   Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM
   Subject: OT - ugh!
  
   Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a
   different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
   are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that
   we

RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

Well yeah that part is silly. Obviously the right people aren't sync'ed on 
hiring criteria which is a problem.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!


OK

And they notice that at the very end.

Apparently some people weren't up to.the job of reading his  resume.
Op 5 feb. 2012 02:02 schreef Brian Desmond 
br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com het volgende:
I am sympathetic to the company doing the interview here. If you've been in one 
place for 15 years straight doing internal IT, you are unlikely to have much in 
the way of diversified experience. Every time you work with a new customer or 
take a new position at a new company, you're going to see new ways to do 
things. Some will be better, some will be worse, but, you'll see them, and even 
more so, you'll be exposed to the goods/bads.

Some large companies have expectations that you'll move around internally every 
few years to change things up and when people don't, they have a way of not 
making it in review cycles.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com

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-Original Message-
From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.commailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues.

Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no project 
management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff treating the network 
like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop the bleeding and stabilize 
the patient (gave then how I would do it), I can implement a more proactive 
approach to IT management and stop the fires (also gave details.)

I guess they rather have the fires...


On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman 
drkuhl...@yahoo.commailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com wrote:
 That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15
 years...Sorry to hear that Jacob.

 I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice
 people so far.

 I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows
 background), but it's a job and a chance to learn.

 Good luck!

 Don K

 
 From: Jacob Kisner jbdkis...@gmail.commailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com
 To: NT System Admin Issues 
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM
 Subject: OT - ugh!

 Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a
 different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
 are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
 changed our mind... We did not realize you were with the same company
 for 15 years...  WTF?

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

I am sympathetic to the company doing the interview here. If you've been in one 
place for 15 years straight doing internal IT, you are unlikely to have much in 
the way of diversified experience. Every time you work with a new customer or 
take a new position at a new company, you're going to see new ways to do 
things. Some will be better, some will be worse, but, you'll see them, and even 
more so, you'll be exposed to the goods/bads. 

Some large companies have expectations that you'll move around internally every 
few years to change things up and when people don't, they have a way of not 
making it in review cycles. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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-Original Message-
From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues.

Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no project 
management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff treating the network 
like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop the bleeding and stabilize 
the patient (gave then how I would do it), I can implement a more proactive 
approach to IT management and stop the fires (also gave details.)

I guess they rather have the fires...


On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com wrote:
 That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15 
 years...Sorry to hear that Jacob.

 I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice 
 people so far.

 I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows 
 background), but it's a job and a chance to learn.

 Good luck!

 Don K

 
 From: Jacob Kisner jbdkis...@gmail.com
 To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM
 Subject: OT - ugh!

 Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a 
 different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we 
 are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we 
 changed our mind... We did not realize you were with the same company 
 for 15 years...  WTF?

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

When I look at a resume, I’m perfectly fine with job-hopping so to speak. The 
red flag for me is when it’s patterned and usually in the every 12-18 months 
range. I’ve never seen a hire go well when someone had that history and 
insisted in interviews that they were looking to stay/settle down/whatever the 
reason.



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From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Well, I’m all confused. I keep hearing that employers are looking for loyalty, 
and that job-hoppers make hiring managers nervous.

Darned if you do, darned if you don’t.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



From: Robert Cato 
[mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!


I do not agree with the mentality, but I have heard the argument: If they were 
any good, they would be changing jobs every 2-5 years to expand their skills. 
Depending on the environment, most companies change (refresh technology) every 
2-5 years so that would force some expansion of skills. Another scenario is 
that you started in one role and changed your role, probably more than once in 
that 15 years.

Sorry for the bad news, hopefully you will find something.

Robert
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Jacob Kisner 
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Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a
different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
changed our mind... We did not realize you were with the same company
for 15 years...  WTF?

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

That's how I write reqs. I don't really care whether or not you have a degree 
if you can show me you know how to think critically about stuff and have the 
work ethic to get things done. A degree will generally demonstrate these skills 
to the extent you needed them to get the degree, but, it doesn't really mean to 
me that you know anything practical. 

Thanks,
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br...@briandesmond.com

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-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

In my org there are certainly positions that not having a degree would exclude 
you for being considered, but many IT of our positions like mine (well, this is 
the Sr SE that I have not achieved yet) have this:

Minimum bachelor's degree in related field; equivalent combinations of 
education and experience will be considered in lieu of a degree.
(I have no degree but have been doing IT admin stuff as my %dayjob% since 1995)

Minimum 6 years related experience, with at least 4 years experience in one of 
the two following areas:  
A. Microsoft OS and systems B. Cisco networking

Fortunately the equivalent combinations of education and experience helps.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 6:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Many positions in many companies have degree requirements, whether actually 
reasonable or not.

Some companies (I am thinking specifically of BASF) even do salary banding 
based on highest-degree-obtained.


Sent from my HTC Tilt(tm) 2, a Windows(r) phone from ATT

-Original Message-
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!


This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying we changed 
our minds on our needs or we hired from inside. I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the 
process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when all 
of a sudden he says Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.

I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

 -Original Message-
 From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

 Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very 
 strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact 
 that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER 
 ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer, 
 period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can 
 fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied 
 background which would include more than one job over a decade. I 
 think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds 
 to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch 
 my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best 
 efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also 
 obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it!

 Murray

 -Original Message-
 From: James Hill
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 I feel for you.

 But try and look at this way.  If they can't see the value you can 
 offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you were 
 employed by them.

 You are better off with an employer that shares your values.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 9:52 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

 Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues.

 Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no 
 project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff 
 treating the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop

RE: OT - ugh!

[Rene de Haas]

OK

And they notice that at the very end.

Apparently some people weren't up to.the job of reading his  resume.
Op 5 feb. 2012 02:02 schreef Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com het
volgende:

 I am sympathetic to the company doing the interview here. If you've been
 in one place for 15 years straight doing internal IT, you are unlikely to
 have much in the way of diversified experience. Every time you work with a
 new customer or take a new position at a new company, you're going to see
 new ways to do things. Some will be better, some will be worse, but, you'll
 see them, and even more so, you'll be exposed to the goods/bads.

 Some large companies have expectations that you'll move around internally
 every few years to change things up and when people don't, they have a way
 of not making it in review cycles.

 Thanks,
 Brian Desmond
 br...@briandesmond.com

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 -Original Message-
 From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:52 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

 Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues.

 Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no
 project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff treating
 the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop the bleeding
 and stabilize the patient (gave then how I would do it), I can implement a
 more proactive approach to IT management and stop the fires (also gave
 details.)

 I guess they rather have the fires...


 On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com wrote:
  That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15
  years...Sorry to hear that Jacob.
 
  I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice
  people so far.
 
  I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows
  background), but it's a job and a chance to learn.
 
  Good luck!
 
  Don K
 
  
  From: Jacob Kisner jbdkis...@gmail.com
  To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM
  Subject: OT - ugh!
 
  Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a
  different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
  are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
  changed our mind... We did not realize you were with the same company
  for 15 years...  WTF?
 
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Re: OT - ugh!

[John Cook]

Convince Corporate American HR that's the best way to handle it. Because I have 
no college degree I can't even get an interview for jobs I'm more than 
technically qualified to handle.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's how I write reqs. I don't really care whether or not you have a degree 
if you can show me you know how to think critically about stuff and have the 
work ethic to get things done. A degree will generally demonstrate these skills 
to the extent you needed them to get the degree, but, it doesn't really mean to 
me that you know anything practical.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

In my org there are certainly positions that not having a degree would exclude 
you for being considered, but many IT of our positions like mine (well, this is 
the Sr SE that I have not achieved yet) have this:

Minimum bachelor's degree in related field; equivalent combinations of 
education and experience will be considered in lieu of a degree.
(I have no degree but have been doing IT admin stuff as my %dayjob% since 1995)

Minimum 6 years related experience, with at least 4 years experience in one of 
the two following areas:
A. Microsoft OS and systems B. Cisco networking

Fortunately the equivalent combinations of education and experience helps.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 6:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Many positions in many companies have degree requirements, whether actually 
reasonable or not.

Some companies (I am thinking specifically of BASF) even do salary banding 
based on highest-degree-obtained.


Sent from my HTC Tilt(tm) 2, a Windows(r) phone from ATT

-Original Message-
From: David Lum david@nwea.org
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!


This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying we changed 
our minds on our needs or we hired from inside. I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the 
process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when all 
of a sudden he says Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.

I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

 -Original Message-
 From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

 Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very
 strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact
 that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER
 ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer,
 period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can
 fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied
 background which would include more than one job over a decade. I
 think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds
 to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch
 my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best
 efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also 
 obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it!

 Murray

 -Original Message-
 From: James Hill
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

 I feel for you.

 But try and look at this way.  If they can't see the value you can
 offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you were
 employed by them.

 You are better off with an employer that shares your values.

 -Original

RE: OT - ugh!

[Ben M. Schorr]

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook.  
Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr  Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying we changed 
our minds on our needs or we hired from inside. I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the 
process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when all 
of a sudden he says Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.

I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

 -Original Message-
 From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very 
 strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact 
 that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER 
 ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer, 
 period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can 
 fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied 
 background which would include more than one job over a decade. I 
 think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds 
 to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch 
 my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best 
 efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also 
 obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it!
 
 Murray
 
 -Original Message-
 From: James Hill
 Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
 I feel for you.
 
 But try and look at this way.  If they can't see the value you can 
 offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you were 
 employed by them.
 
 You are better off with an employer that shares your values.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 9:52 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 
 Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues.
 
 Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no 
 project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff 
 treating the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop 
 the bleeding and stabilize the patient (gave then how I would do it), 
 I can implement a more proactive approach to IT management and stop 
 the fires (also gave
 details.)
 
 I guess they rather have the fires...
 
 
 On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman drkuhl...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15 
  years...Sorry to hear that Jacob.
 
  I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice 
  people so far.
 
  I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows 
  background), but it's a job and a chance to learn.
 
  Good luck!
 
  Don K
 
  
  From: Jacob Kisner jbdkis...@gmail.com
  To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM
  Subject: OT - ugh!
 
  Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a 
  different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we 
  are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that 
  we changed our mind... We did not realize you were with the same 
  company for 15 years...  WTF?


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RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

That was well put, Ken.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I think our opinions are coloured by our industry and in particular working in 
(small scale) systems administrator, which is more of a trade than a profession.

For many other professions: civil engineering, medicine, accounting - there is 
no way you'd get anywhere in most countries without a degree. There is simply 
too much established theory in those fields that you just have to know in order 
to be useful. Systems engineering might be a bit different because basic theory 
and principles are not as well established. Software and electrical engineering 
are perhaps more established, and there are many algorithms, principles and 
methodologies (like lifecycle management, project management) etc that a 
structured course such as a degree can help you with.

That said, systems engineering will change to. Organisations (starting with the 
biggest, but I suspect it'll eventually make its way down to the smaller ones) 
are looking for structured, repeatable, predictable delivery. They outsource. 
They get x service for $y within z minutes/hours/days. And the companies that 
provide it (HP/EDS, CSC, IBM, Satyam, Wipro, etc.) all have regulated 
processes, backed by technologies (invariably built upon ITIL at the moment). 
If you want to get ahead in this type of world, there'll have to be some theory 
that you need to learn, because deep technical skills are for 
architecture/design/implementation, and not operations (except for those in 
high severity incident management). Operations is about following processes, 
managing expectations, and executing structured/tested change requests.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 3:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Indeed.

Certs and degrees are used by people who aren't technical and don't know what 
to ask let alone evaluate.

I have seen talent from prestigious schools and I have seen lunkheads from 
prestigious schools.

The universities were setting rather high expectations however.  A friend used 
to handle the college new hires and he said he had to talk a few off the ledge 
because they weren't VPs inside of 6 months.

Thanks,
Mathew


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

  In my personal experience, I haven't seen any correlation between any 
degree/certification and actual aptitude/knowledge/value.  They're certainly 
not less likely, but don't appear to be significantly more, either.

  I have, however, seen correlation between degree/certification and hiring/pay.

  I suspect this is mainly because it's easier to quantify.  Does he have a 
degree? is an easier question to answer than How good is he?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Brown jbr...@webcoindustries.com wrote:
 Those are some seriously sour grapes you are sucking on.  I had a boss 
 who said it this way, the degree proves he/she can finish something.
 There are no guarantees that anyone is a good or outstanding employee, 
 at least there are SEVERAL examples shared here to point out that 
 degrees or certs don't guarantee competence.  Anyone who's done IT for 
 more than a few years can provide additional examples, probably good 
 AND bad. (with or without degrees or certs).



 Your posts suggest that you think a degreed person is LESS likely to 
 have competence..  sorry, that just sounds like sour grapes to me.



 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:49 AM

 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 That isn't my observation.

 On Thursday, February 2, 2012, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote:
 A college degree (usually) indicates that someone has obtained 
 certain literary, communication, and fact-finding skills that are 
 useful in the workplace.



 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:02 AM

 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 Going to college opens doors.  And it almost doesn't even matter what 
 the degree is in.  I think it's like a secret handshake.  It says I 
 can navigate a byzantine bureaucracy and complete a series of tasks 
 without close supervision.



 I might be wrong, but I think it's always there in the subconscious. 
 I had doors open for me that were previously shut by completing a 
 degree (my degree is not in IT, but in accountancy).

 On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:

 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click.

 Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only 
 guess the person making that statement doesn't fully

RE: OT - ugh!

[Maglinger, Paul]

One other thing that I think we may see is adjustments in wages.  Starting 
positions may not offer the same wages as they did in the past in an attempt 
for companies to lower costs.  I also see what I perceive as attempts by OEMs 
to woo companies to outsource more and more services to them (such as HP) 
rather than encourage companies to have well-trained engineers.  Of course if 
you pay peanuts you're still going to get monkeys, unless someone can't afford 
to eat anything else.

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 7:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That was well put, Ken.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I think our opinions are coloured by our industry and in particular working in 
(small scale) systems administrator, which is more of a trade than a profession.

For many other professions: civil engineering, medicine, accounting - there is 
no way you'd get anywhere in most countries without a degree. There is simply 
too much established theory in those fields that you just have to know in order 
to be useful. Systems engineering might be a bit different because basic theory 
and principles are not as well established. Software and electrical engineering 
are perhaps more established, and there are many algorithms, principles and 
methodologies (like lifecycle management, project management) etc that a 
structured course such as a degree can help you with.

That said, systems engineering will change to. Organisations (starting with the 
biggest, but I suspect it'll eventually make its way down to the smaller ones) 
are looking for structured, repeatable, predictable delivery. They outsource. 
They get x service for $y within z minutes/hours/days. And the companies that 
provide it (HP/EDS, CSC, IBM, Satyam, Wipro, etc.) all have regulated 
processes, backed by technologies (invariably built upon ITIL at the moment). 
If you want to get ahead in this type of world, there'll have to be some theory 
that you need to learn, because deep technical skills are for 
architecture/design/implementation, and not operations (except for those in 
high severity incident management). Operations is about following processes, 
managing expectations, and executing structured/tested change requests.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 3:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Indeed.

Certs and degrees are used by people who aren't technical and don't know what 
to ask let alone evaluate.

I have seen talent from prestigious schools and I have seen lunkheads from 
prestigious schools.

The universities were setting rather high expectations however.  A friend used 
to handle the college new hires and he said he had to talk a few off the ledge 
because they weren't VPs inside of 6 months.

Thanks,
Mathew


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

  In my personal experience, I haven't seen any correlation between any 
degree/certification and actual aptitude/knowledge/value.  They're certainly 
not less likely, but don't appear to be significantly more, either.

  I have, however, seen correlation between degree/certification and hiring/pay.

  I suspect this is mainly because it's easier to quantify.  Does he have a 
degree? is an easier question to answer than How good is he?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Brown jbr...@webcoindustries.com wrote:
 Those are some seriously sour grapes you are sucking on.  I had a boss 
 who said it this way, the degree proves he/she can finish something.
 There are no guarantees that anyone is a good or outstanding employee, 
 at least there are SEVERAL examples shared here to point out that 
 degrees or certs don't guarantee competence.  Anyone who's done IT for 
 more than a few years can provide additional examples, probably good 
 AND bad. (with or without degrees or certs).



 Your posts suggest that you think a degreed person is LESS likely to 
 have competence..  sorry, that just sounds like sour grapes to me.



 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:49 AM

 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 That isn't my observation.

 On Thursday, February 2, 2012, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote:
 A college degree (usually) indicates that someone has obtained 
 certain literary, communication, and fact-finding skills that are 
 useful in the workplace.



 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:02 AM

 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: OT - ugh!



 Going to college opens doors

Re: OT - ugh!

[Don Kuhlman]

Very well put on both.

So, not to hijack the thread, but speaking of wages, does 40 - 43 per hour 
sound reasonable in the Midwest for a 2nd level infrastructure specialist ?  
Assuming if you're placed through a staffing firm, they are charging double 
that and paying the person half the client rate.


As Paul said, it seems like there are wage adjustments in effect from what was 
paid in the past.



 From: Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
One other thing that I think we may see is adjustments in wages.  Starting 
positions may not offer the same wages as they did in the past in an attempt 
for companies to lower costs.  I also see what I perceive as attempts by OEMs 
to woo companies to outsource more and more services to them (such as HP) 
rather than encourage companies to have well-trained engineers.  Of course if 
you pay peanuts you're still going to get monkeys, unless someone can't afford 
to eat anything else.

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 7:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That was well put, Ken.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I think our opinions are coloured by our industry and in particular working in 
(small scale) systems administrator, which is more of a trade than a profession.

For many other professions: civil engineering, medicine, accounting - there is 
no way you'd get anywhere in most countries without a degree. There is simply 
too much established theory in those fields that you just have to know in order 
to be useful. Systems engineering might be a bit different because basic theory 
and principles are not as well established. Software and electrical engineering 
are perhaps more established, and there are many algorithms, principles and 
methodologies (like lifecycle management, project management) etc that a 
structured course such as a degree can help you with.

That said, systems engineering will change to. Organisations (starting with the 
biggest, but I suspect it'll eventually make its way down to the smaller ones) 
are looking for structured, repeatable, predictable delivery. They outsource. 
They get x service for $y within z minutes/hours/days. And the companies that 
provide it (HP/EDS, CSC, IBM, Satyam, Wipro, etc.) all have regulated 
processes, backed by technologies (invariably built upon ITIL at the moment). 
If you want to get ahead in this type of world, there'll have to be some theory 
that you need to learn, because deep technical skills are for 
architecture/design/implementation, and not operations (except for those in 
high severity incident management). Operations is about following processes, 
managing expectations, and executing structured/tested change requests.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 3:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Indeed.

Certs and degrees are used by people who aren't technical and don't know what 
to ask let alone evaluate.

I have seen talent from prestigious schools and I have seen lunkheads from 
prestigious schools.

The universities were setting rather high expectations however.  A friend used 
to handle the college new hires and he said he had to talk a few off the ledge 
because they weren't VPs inside of 6 months.

Thanks,
Mathew


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

  In my personal experience, I haven't seen any correlation between any 
degree/certification and actual aptitude/knowledge/value.  They're certainly 
not less likely, but don't appear to be significantly more, either.

  I have, however, seen correlation between degree/certification and hiring/pay.

  I suspect this is mainly because it's easier to quantify.  Does he have a 
degree? is an easier question to answer than How good is he?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jeff Brown jbr...@webcoindustries.com wrote:
 Those are some seriously sour grapes you are sucking on.  I had a boss 
 who said it this way, the degree proves he/she can finish something.
 There are no guarantees that anyone is a good or outstanding employee, 
 at least there are SEVERAL examples shared here to point out that 
 degrees or certs don't guarantee competence.  Anyone who's done IT for 
 more than a few years can provide additional examples, probably good 
 AND bad. (with or without degrees or certs).



 Your posts suggest that you think a degreed person is LESS likely to 
 have competence..  sorry, that just sounds like sour grapes to me