Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME

2007-09-03 Thread Richard Guenther
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Francis Giannaros wrote:

 On 9/2/07, Bernhard Walle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  * Alberto Passalacqua [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-09-02 17:52]:
   during a discussion on IRC it emerged that GNOME still has a very high
   number of blockers and critical bugs.
 
  GNOME will be updated before release.
 
 Perhaps you could clarify what this means? Is it hoped that the
 updates and final release will solve all the 200+ bugs? The only
 reason I ask about this is because I notice around the place the
 general sense from some users of neglect for GNOME in openSUSE, which
 I know is certainly as a statement unfair; but I can see why some of
 them might question things when you take a look at comparative figures
 like this (GNOME 200+ with a lot of blockers, KDE just 64, and dealing
 with a web browser).
 
 It would be a real shame to have GNOME slip behind as it did in 10.2
 which I think everyone will agree was not ideal.

I suppose for the quality of GNOME it would be more helpful if people
would report issues upstream.  At least if the perception is correct
that bugs in openSUSE GNOME are only fixed by pulling new releases
from upstream.

Richard.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME

2007-09-03 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
 I suppose for the quality of GNOME it would be more helpful if people
 would report issues upstream.  At least if the perception is correct
 that bugs in openSUSE GNOME are only fixed by pulling new releases
 from upstream.

That's ok, but it should have been clarified at the beginning of the
development stage, I think. Now, 17 days before the release, it is
probably too late to get them fixed for 2.20, which will be included in
openSUSE 10.3.

Moreover, on what basis should we distinguish between GNOME bugs to
report upstream, and GNOME bugs to report on bugzilla?

With kind regards,
Alberto

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Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME

2007-09-03 Thread Florin Samareanu

On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 11:47 +0200, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

 
 That's ok, but it should have been clarified at the beginning of the
 development stage, I think. Now, 17 days before the release, it is
 probably too late to get them fixed for 2.20, which will be included in
 openSUSE 10.3.
 
 Moreover, on what basis should we distinguish between GNOME bugs to
 report upstream, and GNOME bugs to report on bugzilla?
 

Since the number of bugs i see in opensuse 10.3 is quite high (and i am
affected by at least 5 different _annoying_ bugs: g-p-m not showing
suspend/hibernate for laptops, /dev/null permissions after hibernate,
btdownloader not working, iwl3945 breaking suspend ... etc) i personally
would like to see the release postponed rather then releasing something
that you know won`t work almost perfectly (like 10.2 did).

 With kind regards,
 Alberto
 
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Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME

2007-09-03 Thread Richard Guenther
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:

  I suppose for the quality of GNOME it would be more helpful if people
  would report issues upstream.  At least if the perception is correct
  that bugs in openSUSE GNOME are only fixed by pulling new releases
  from upstream.
 
 That's ok, but it should have been clarified at the beginning of the
 development stage, I think. Now, 17 days before the release, it is
 probably too late to get them fixed for 2.20, which will be included in
 openSUSE 10.3.
 
 Moreover, on what basis should we distinguish between GNOME bugs to
 report upstream, and GNOME bugs to report on bugzilla?

Usually for GCC (which is what I'm working on) I monitor the upstream
bugzilla for bugs affecting the openSUSE compiler as well as making
sure that bugs filed on the Novell bugzilla are forwarded upstream.

This is ideally the way it should work for all bugs filed in Novell
bugzilla if there is upstream development and bugreporting infrastructure.

To what extent this happens for GNOME bugs at the moment I don't know,
but I am sure that help from the community to improve the situation with
Novell-bugzilla-only bugreports would be appreciated.  Maybe our
GNOME people can clarify their policy?

Thanks,
Richard.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Device already mounted or mountpoint busy error after some beta2 update, I guess

2007-09-03 Thread Rajko M.
On Sunday 02 September 2007 16:15, Wolfgang Woehl wrote:
...
  Be aware that abandoning mount by device path was forced by increasing
  number of devices that can be mounted in different order on each boot
  which results in different path. All SATA and USB devices are prone to
  that.

 Internal sata devices could be mounted in different order each boot?

My bad :-( 
SATA is not in the same bag as USB.
SATA device placement can be changed on hardware changes. Adding or removing 
PATA drive will automatically change SATA placement reported by BIOS and goof 
mounting if it is defined by device path. This is not a big problem if you 
know that it exists, but there is no problem if you use present schema or 
mounting by label (haven't checked the rest).

  In order to access them you have to know where they are located, with
  different path each time you have to find something that doesn't change.
  Serial numbers are safe bet, they will be the same even across multiple
  installations, or large systems with whole a lot of hard disks. Lables
  would be too, but than you risk to create system that is today fine, but
  with increase in number of devices can run out of available labels in the
  future. The present system will hardly hit the limit any soon.

 Ok, I've read up a bit on udev and am aware now of the possibilities. But
 I'm not running a serverfarm here. 

The openSUSE is created for many different users, and present schema works for 
all of them. Besides if you replace disk with present schema mount will 
report error even if disk is formatted ie. mountable, but content doesn't fit 
in your system. This will prompt you to update configuration. Mount by path 
on the other hand can happily accept that disk which can lead to problems 
later. The label system can do the same if label is the same.  

 I change disks once in 2 years maybe. 

For most desktop users this is not an issue, except the case with SATA drives 
that happen not so often. 

 Anyway, if all this worked I couldn't care less, except for the serial
 number notion (which i realize is not trivial to get rid of if you want the
 above safety net). 

If disk serial number is problem as privacy concern, than forget it. 
The Ethernet card has unique number, motherboard, if computer is brand name, 
has another one, than IP address, and more can be used to identify person. 
Of course not by everyone, but privacy in the Internet is illusion.
Those that sell privacy services with very broad claims of protection count on 
peoples lack of knowledge. Browse Internet anonymously is one of slogans I 
can recall. They protect to some extent, but far from total. 

 But my initial posting was about an internal device 
 disappearing from the usual mount infrastructure.

It is solved.

 Thank you again for your advice, Wolfgang

Have fun!
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Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME

2007-09-03 Thread Boyd Lynn Gerber
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Richard Guenther wrote:
 On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
   I suppose for the quality of GNOME it would be more helpful if people
   would report issues upstream.  At least if the perception is correct
   that bugs in openSUSE GNOME are only fixed by pulling new releases
   from upstream.
 
  That's ok, but it should have been clarified at the beginning of the
  development stage, I think. Now, 17 days before the release, it is
  probably too late to get them fixed for 2.20, which will be included in
  openSUSE 10.3.
 
  Moreover, on what basis should we distinguish between GNOME bugs to
  report upstream, and GNOME bugs to report on bugzilla?

 Usually for GCC (which is what I'm working on) I monitor the upstream
 bugzilla for bugs affecting the openSUSE compiler as well as making
 sure that bugs filed on the Novell bugzilla are forwarded upstream.

 This is ideally the way it should work for all bugs filed in Novell
 bugzilla if there is upstream development and bugreporting infrastructure.

 To what extent this happens for GNOME bugs at the moment I don't know,
 but I am sure that help from the community to improve the situation with
 Novell-bugzilla-only bugreports would be appreciated.  Maybe our
 GNOME people can clarify their policy?

This looks like an other 10.1 fiasco.  I really do not want to see a
repeat of the mistakes.  From what I see in bugzilla there are too many
bugs to really release on schedule.  I think the release needs to be
postponded.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME

2007-09-03 Thread Henne Vogelsang
Hi,

On Monday, September 03, 2007 at 06:58:14, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

 From what I see in bugzilla there are too many bugs to really release
 on schedule. I think the release needs to be postponded.

If we would always draw in our horns because of this we would still be
in the process of releasing 4.2.

Guys we still have 17 days until RC1. Relax...

Henne 

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Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME

2007-09-03 Thread Robert Kaiser

Henne Vogelsang wrote:

On Monday, September 03, 2007 at 06:58:14, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:


From what I see in bugzilla there are too many bugs to really release
on schedule. I think the release needs to be postponded.


If we would always draw in our horns because of this we would still be
in the process of releasing 4.2.

Guys we still have 17 days until RC1. Relax...


Right. And after all, this is only GNOME and everybody reasonable uses 
KDE anyways (because it has much less bugs, for example) :P


To be serious, I'm working myself in project management of a software 
project (which is even shipped with openSUSE), and there will probably 
always be an impressive list of bugs left in any release. As long as 
those are things one can live with, it's probably even OK.


From what I read here, the reporting of bugs to the upstream GNOME bug 
database does not work as well as it could, so the first step for anyone 
who complains here should be to verify all problems he sees _are_ 
reported upstream. That is usually the first step for getting them fixed 
also in the final release (or a bugfix release afterwards) and therefore 
also in the version shipped in the distro.


Reporting bugs back to the upstream project is a vital step, and we in 
the projects making the software itself sometimes get bitten by that not 
being done - so please everyone who actually sees such problems, go out 
and try forwarding the bugs upstream and comment the upstream bug ID in 
the openSUSE bug, that helps more than complaining here.


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Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME

2007-09-03 Thread Rajko M.
On Sunday 02 September 2007 10:52:54 am Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 during a discussion on IRC it emerged that GNOME still has a very high
 number of blockers and critical bugs.
 As it can be seen here:

The numbers seems to be lower today.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/report.cgi?x_axis_field=y_axis_field=componentz_axis_field=query_format=report-tableshort_desc_type=allwordssubstrshort_desc=long_desc_type=fulltextlong_desc=classification=openSUSEproduct=openSUSE+10.3bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstrbug_file_loc=status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstrstatus_whiteboard=keywords_type=anywordskeywords=bug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=NEEDINFObug_status=REOPENEDbug_severity=Blockerbug_severity=Criticalemailassigned_to1=1emailtype1=substringemail1=emailassigned_to2=1emailreporter2=1emailqa_contact2=1emailcc2=1emailtype2=substringemail2=bugidtype=includebug_id=votes=chfieldfrom=chfieldto=Nowchfieldvalue=format=tableaction=wrapfield0-0-0=nooptype0-0-0=noopvalue0-0-0=

 GNOME + Evolution has 26 of them.

Now 23

 Plus, from bugzilla it appears that GNOME + GNOME Admin/Platform +
 Evolution have 201 bugs:

https://bugzilla.novell.com/report.cgi?x_axis_field=y_axis_field=componentz_axis_field=query_format=report-tableshort_desc_type=allwordssubstrshort_desc=long_desc_type=fulltextlong_desc=classification=openSUSEproduct=openSUSE+10.3bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstrbug_file_loc=status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstrstatus_whiteboard=keywords_type=anywordskeywords=bug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=NEEDINFObug_status=REOPENEDbug_severity=Blockerbug_severity=Criticalbug_severity=Majorbug_severity=Normalbug_severity=Minoremailassigned_to1=1emailtype1=substringemail1=emailassigned_to2=1emailreporter2=1emailqa_contact2=1emailcc2=1emailtype2=substringemail2=bugidtype=includebug_id=votes=chfieldfrom=chfieldto=Nowchfieldvalue=format=tableaction=wrapfield0-0-0=nooptype0-0-0=noopvalue0-0-0=

Now 189

 Considering the short time before the final release (~1 month), I think
 it would be helpful to know the actual situation of the fixes, and if
 there's enough time to solve all these issues before the release date.

I looked further:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?action=wrapbug_file_loc=bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstrbug_id=bug_severity=Blockerbug_severity=Criticalbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=NEEDINFObug_status=REOPENEDbugidtype=includechfieldfrom=chfieldto=Nowchfieldvalue=classification=openSUSEemail1=email2=emailassigned_to1=1emailassigned_to2=1emailcc2=1emailqa_contact2=1emailreporter2=1emailtype1=substringemailtype2=substringfield0-0-0=noopkeywords=keywords_type=anywordslong_desc=long_desc_type=fulltextproduct=openSUSE%2010.3short_desc=short_desc_type=allwordssubstrstatus_whiteboard=status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstrtype0-0-0=noopvalue0-0-0=votes==component=GNOME

And for instance:
301716Cri P5 open NEW Pidgin segfaults when sending AIM 
message to yourself. 

Taking the type of application is it really critical?
Is that mean that critical is used for any crash?  

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Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME

2007-09-03 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
 This looks like an other 10.1 fiasco.  

I don't think so. As Henne said, we are still in beta stage. That's why
I asked how fixes are progressing.

Regards,
Alberto


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[opensuse-factory] SuSE Updater

2007-09-03 Thread Donn Washburn

Hey Group;

The KDE user SuSE Updater seems to be broken.  Every rime KDE comes up 
it does also.  It checks online and then shows a circled ?.
Click on it and up comes a error message stating openSUSE Updater -  
Unable to check if updates are available.  Beside it never works and 
suggests - Please use Add/Remove Update Sources.  Which works but ends 
up as a dead end.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME

2007-09-03 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
 Right. And after all, this is only GNOME and everybody reasonable uses 
 KDE anyways (because it has much less bugs, for example) :P

I don't agree. We had already a buggy GNOME, to the limit of being
unusable, on 10.2. I would like not to see that again in 10.3.

 To be serious, I'm working myself in project management of a software 
 project (which is even shipped with openSUSE), and there will probably 
 always be an impressive list of bugs left in any release. As long as 
 those are things one can live with, it's probably even OK.

I wrote about critical and blockers.

 Reporting bugs back to the upstream project is a vital step, and we in 
 the projects making the software itself sometimes get bitten by that not 
 being done - so please everyone who actually sees such problems, go out 
 and try forwarding the bugs upstream and comment the upstream bug ID in 
 the openSUSE bug, that helps more than complaining here.

Reporting on Novell bugzilla is what is required by openSUSE developers.
Noone never talked of reporting bugs upstream too. If that's the desired
behaviour, it should be clarified.
Moreover, it think it would be easier if this task is done directly by
the developer to whom the bug in Novell bugzilla is assigned. He would
be automatically subscribed to the bug report made upstream, and he is
surely able to provide more complete information.

Regards,
Alberto

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Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME

2007-09-03 Thread Alberto Passalacqua

 And for instance:
 301716Cri P5 open NEW Pidgin segfaults when sending AIM 
 message to yourself. 
 
 Taking the type of application is it really critical?
 Is that mean that critical is used for any crash?  

Funny, indeed. 

The reporter is Bryan Perry @ Novell, so it is probably considered
important.

Regards,
A.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] SuSE Updater

2007-09-03 Thread Richard C Creighton


Donn Washburn wrote:
 Hey Group;

 The KDE user SuSE Updater seems to be broken.  Every rime KDE comes
 up it does also.  It checks online and then shows a circled ?.
 Click on it and up comes a error message stating openSUSE Updater -
  Unable to check if updates are available.  Beside it never works
 and suggests - Please use Add/Remove Update Sources.  Which works
 but ends up as a dead end.

The updater is not broken...during the Beta period, there is no
update server, only the factory install repo which changes
hundreds of packages daily...not something you probably want to
be doing automatically so the updater has nothing to talk to at
the moment.

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[opensuse-factory] Can't add Full-Qualified-Hostname to hosts file using yast2

2007-09-03 Thread James PEARSON
Hello

In the /etc/hosts file on opensuse 10.2, I have the Full-Qualified-Hostname 
on my
machine in like this: 
# IP-Address  Full-Qualified-Hostname  Short-Hostname 
127.0.0.2  my_hostname.my_dns  my_hostname

This was not the case with 10.3 after I installed it - so I tried to add it 
(for reasons I
won't go into here). 

I can add a  Full-Qualified-Hostname (in the form of the line above) manually 
via the
command line but I can't using yast2 by running  DNS and Hostname with the 
Change
Hostname via DHCP and Write to Hostname to /etc/hosts options selected.

This procedure works on 10.2

Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong here?

TIA

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Re: [opensuse-factory] High number of serious bugs in GNOME

2007-09-03 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 03 September 2007 13:06, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
  And for instance:
  301716Cri P5 open NEW Pidgin segfaults when sending
  AIM message to yourself.
 
  Taking the type of application is it really critical?
  Is that mean that critical is used for any crash?

 Funny, indeed.

 The reporter is Bryan Perry @ Novell, so it is probably considered
 important.

It might be the company policy to set critical if application crashes, I have 
seen such comment in one of bugs that you can find on the list. If you look 
the list than you can see few similar reports. Later I'm going to see more, 
but if there are many of the above kind GNOME is safe :-)

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Re: [opensuse-factory] dev null incorrect permissions

2007-09-03 Thread Gerald Pfeifer
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Florin Samareanu wrote:
 Is this happening to anyone here with a current -FACTORY?
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ls -l /dev/*null*
 -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root0 2007-09-02 22:45 /dev/null
 -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2173 2007-09-02 22:24 /dev/null.2007-09-02.0
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   17 2007-09-02 22:23 /dev/null.current -
 null.2007-09-02.0
 
 Initial permissions on /dev/null were correct (like above) but after gdm
 login permissions get rw for owner, none for other. also, permissions
 for /dev/null.2007-09-02 are rw for owner , none for others.

Yup.  I have not been able to nail this down yet, because I cannot
easily experiment with the machine I am seeing this on, but I have
a hunch it is related to suspend (and only appears after resume).

Can you, or anyone else, confirm and/or file a bug report on this?

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Re: [opensuse-factory] SuSE Updater

2007-09-03 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 03:03:13PM -0400, Richard C Creighton wrote:
 
 
 Donn Washburn wrote:
  Hey Group;
 
  The KDE user SuSE Updater seems to be broken.  Every rime KDE comes
  up it does also.  It checks online and then shows a circled ?.
  Click on it and up comes a error message stating openSUSE Updater -
   Unable to check if updates are available.  Beside it never works
  and suggests - Please use Add/Remove Update Sources.  Which works
  but ends up as a dead end.
 
 The updater is not broken...during the Beta period, there is no
 update server, only the factory install repo which changes
 hundreds of packages daily...not something you probably want to
 be doing automatically so the updater has nothing to talk to at
 the moment.

Incorrect.

We have testupdates available...

But perhaps you do not have the update source enabled.

run zypper sl and quote the output here please.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] dev null incorrect permissions

2007-09-03 Thread Juan Erbes
2007/9/2, Florin Samareanu [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Is this happening to anyone here with a current -FACTORY?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ls -l /dev/*null*
 -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root0 2007-09-02 22:45 /dev/null
 -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 2173 2007-09-02 22:24 /dev/null.2007-09-02.0
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   17 2007-09-02 22:23 /dev/null.current -
 null.2007-09-02.0

 Initial permissions on /dev/null were correct (like above) but after gdm
 login permissions get rw for owner, none for other. also, permissions
 for /dev/null.2007-09-02 are rw for owner , none for others.

 My problem is that after logon, opening a shell (gnome-terminal in my
 case) pops up some errors about /dev/null permission denied. Any fixes
 excluding manually setting correct permissions on /dev/*null*?



I got the same problem with /dev/null, but with the last updates the
problem was resolved.

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Can't add Full-Qualified-Hostname to hosts file using yast2

2007-09-03 Thread Juan Erbes
2007/9/3, James PEARSON [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hello

 In the /etc/hosts file on opensuse 10.2, I have the 
 Full-Qualified-Hostname on my
 machine in like this:
 # IP-Address  Full-Qualified-Hostname  Short-Hostname
 127.0.0.2  my_hostname.my_dns  my_hostname

 This was not the case with 10.3 after I installed it - so I tried to add it 
 (for reasons I
 won't go into here).

 I can add a  Full-Qualified-Hostname (in the form of the line above) manually 
 via the
 command line but I can't using yast2 by running  DNS and Hostname with the 
 Change
 Hostname via DHCP and Write to Hostname to /etc/hosts options selected.


With what version of 10.3 You got this problem?

I got this problem in the firts alphas, and in the beta versions do'nt
appear any more.

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[opensuse-factory] Frequent rpmdb crashes in opensuse 10.3 beta 2

2007-09-03 Thread Juan Erbes
The last days I got more than 5 crashes with the rpmdb, and must
rebuild it with rpm --rebuilddb, and in one case, after rebuilding,
in the first case I woluld to install a rpm package.
The last case was installing a package compiled in the system and
created by checkinstall:

rpmdb: PANIC: Argumento inválido
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_put: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) storing record libc.so.6 into Requirename
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) records from
Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1) records from
Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.3) records from
Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2) records from
Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libdl.so.2 records from Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libdl.so.2(GLIBC_2.0) records from
Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libdl.so.2(GLIBC_2.1) records from
Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libgcc_s.so.1 records from Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libgcc_s.so.1(GCC_3.0) records from
Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libgcc_s.so.1(GLIBC_2.0) records from
Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libm.so.6 records from Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) records from
Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libpthread.so.0 records from Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.0) records from
Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.2) records from
Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libstdc++.so.6 records from Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3) records from
Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3.1) records
from Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery
error: db4 error(-30977) from dbcursor-c_get: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal
error, run database recovery
error: error(-30977) getting libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4) records
from Requirename index
rpmdb: PANIC: fatal 

[opensuse-factory] opensuse10.3beta2 can not support dmraid

2007-09-03 Thread Pang Dawei
Hi,there,
I installed opensuse10.3beta2 to a dmraid (raid1)function machine,
At the end of installation, the yast can not create initrd and
install bootloader.
Because the creating initrd missed 70-kpartx.rule  file, the
mkinitrd is failed.
Can we fix the bug in the beta3?
 Thank you very much.


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Re: [opensuse] my evolution can not save (re-use) password

2007-09-03 Thread Patrik Hasibuan
Hi Srinivasa,

Thank you for your respond.

I use OpenSuSE10.2 . Evolution ver.2.8.2 Groupware suite.

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:54:05 +0530
Srinivasa Ragavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 
 On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 02:28 +0700, Patrik Hasibuan wrote:
  Dear my friends...
  
  I use mandriva and suse mostly for working. I have a problem on my SuSE but 
  not on mandrive about my ximian-evolution.
  
  I checked the remember this password for receiving and sending an email. 
  But next time if I want to receive/send an e-mail than I have to re-type 
  the password again although previously I have checked the remember 
  password check-button.
 What is the version of Evolution/SUSE you use?
 
 -Srini.
  
  It's weird because on my mandriva this problem does not happen. So I 
  believe, there's something I should do to my SuSE in order to making my 
  ximian-evolution can remember my password for future use.
  
  It's a little bit bothered If I have to re-type my POP3/SMTP password each 
  time I want to receive/send an e-mail with my evolution.
  
  Please tell me what should I do?
  
  Thank you very much in advance.
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Re: [opensuse] my evolution can not save (re-use) password

2007-09-03 Thread Srinivasa Ragavan
Hi Patrik,

On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 13:05 +0700, Patrik Hasibuan wrote:
 Hi Srinivasa,
 
 Thank you for your respond.
 
 I use OpenSuSE10.2 . Evolution ver.2.8.2 Groupware suite.
There is an update to Evolution (Evolution-data-server rpm) for OpenSUSE
10.2 which fixes the problem.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=222479 is the reference bug.

Thanks
Srini.

 
 On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:54:05 +0530
 Srinivasa Ragavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi,
  
  On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 02:28 +0700, Patrik Hasibuan wrote:
   Dear my friends...
   
   I use mandriva and suse mostly for working. I have a problem on my SuSE 
   but not on mandrive about my ximian-evolution.
   
   I checked the remember this password for receiving and sending an 
   email. But next time if I want to receive/send an e-mail than I have to 
   re-type the password again although previously I have checked the 
   remember password check-button.
  What is the version of Evolution/SUSE you use?
  
  -Srini.
   
   It's weird because on my mandriva this problem does not happen. So I 
   believe, there's something I should do to my SuSE in order to making my 
   ximian-evolution can remember my password for future use.
   
   It's a little bit bothered If I have to re-type my POP3/SMTP password 
   each time I want to receive/send an e-mail with my evolution.
   
   Please tell me what should I do?
   
   Thank you very much in advance.
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Re: [opensuse] Emerald theme, how to apply to gnome panel

2007-09-03 Thread Munkii

On Fri, 2007-08-24 at 11:15 +0700, Hans Linux wrote:
 anyone can tell me how to apply the selected emerald theme to gnome
 panel? the theme only applies on window.

emerald themes can't be applied to gnome menu (unless maybe for the
shadows), they are meant to be window decoration themes not desktop
themes. you still can try to tweak it a bit so it won't look out of
place though, just right-click on an empty space in the panel, choose
properties and start tweaking..

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Re: [opensuse] my evolution can not save (re-use) password

2007-09-03 Thread Munkii

On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 02:28 +0700, Patrik Hasibuan wrote:
 Dear my friends...
 
 I use mandriva and suse mostly for working. I have a problem on my SuSE but 
 not on mandrive about my ximian-evolution.
 
 I checked the remember this password for receiving and sending an email. 
 But next time if I want to receive/send an e-mail than I have to re-type the 
 password again although previously I have checked the remember password 
 check-button.
 
 It's weird because on my mandriva this problem does not happen. So I believe, 
 there's something I should do to my SuSE in order to making my 
 ximian-evolution can remember my password for future use.
 
 It's a little bit bothered If I have to re-type my POP3/SMTP password each 
 time I want to receive/send an e-mail with my evolution.
 
 Please tell me what should I do?
 
 Thank you very much in advance.
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did you enable gnome keyring?

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[opensuse] Re: Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

2007-09-03 Thread Eberhard Roloff
Richard Atcheson wrote:
 When asked about getting a non defective board they told 
 him to take it or leave it or he could purchase another board.  
 
 He did, and gave the ASUS to someother poor fool.  No ASUS boards in either 
 of 
 our computer rooms again.
 
I fully agree that ASUS and  (feel free to insert any other brad
name here) in fact do supply faulty hardware and underdone Firmware and
BIOS editions.

I should have mentioned that I also buy ultraconservatively. I.E. I
never buy the newest, latest and greatest motherboard, no matter how
funky it looks. Instead I wait for at least six months or even longer
until you can tell about potential hardware problems via internet and
computer mag reviews) and you usually get a decent firmware revision.

In short:
After a while, you feel more like a customer rather than like an unpaid
Beta-Tester.

Imho this is much better than living on the fast lane and:
Prizes tend to be lower, as well.

 One solution to the what kind of os are you using is to always tell them XP 
 or the latest windows. I've never had anyone on the phone that could tell the 
 difference.  

This is a good one and works out greatly for me, as well.

I do not like this approach since doing so, people will never know about
that other  OS, but at least it is quick and it works everytime!

regards
Eberhard

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Re: [opensuse] XEN Help Please

2007-09-03 Thread Gaël Lams
Hi,

 I am in desperate need of Asterisk 1.4 and freePBX 2.3. Unfortunately, freePBX
 requires Apache to be run as user/group asterisk, what makes current server
 incompatible with any other web applications.

I'm wondering: where is the problem in running as user/group asterik?
After all it's only a name. Other distributions use other usernames.

I probably don't see something obvious but I think that you only have
to find all files owned by www and wwwrun, chown them to asterisk,
change apache's configuration directives, and your other web
applications should work?

Anyway better use a dedicated, physical server for a voip system.

Kind regards,

Gael
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[opensuse] PAM mk_homedir when coming through SSH

2007-09-03 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Hi list,

- in PAM there's a thing called mk_homedir (I think). It works when you're 
doing AD integrations, i.e. it'll create a users homedir if the user exists 
in the AD but yet hasn't logged into the Linux box.

- What if the user comes in (for the first time) though SSH, authenticates 
against the AD, and then wants a home-dir to be created. Which PAM file 
(in /etc/pam.d) should I modify? And what should I write in it?

 
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Re: [opensuse] PAM mk_homedir when coming through SSH

2007-09-03 Thread Gaël Lams
Hi,

 - What if the user comes in (for the first time) though SSH, authenticates
 against the AD, and then wants a home-dir to be created. Which PAM file
 (in /etc/pam.d) should I modify? And what should I write in it?

Here is what I use on my linux boxes with ssh configured to
authenticate through ldap:

# Modify /etc/pam.d/common-session

echo 'session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ umask=027' 
/etc/pam.d/common-session

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Re: [opensuse] Bluetooth not visible to phone on SuSE 10.2

2007-09-03 Thread Carsten Rüthel

Hi,

I (still) have the same problem. I posted it to the german suse list 
some weeks and I ain't got no reply. But initiating the connection from 
the computer fit my needs, so I didnot spend much time to find a way to 
get the normal behaviour. So if you find a solution I am interested as well.


Good luck,
Carsten

Andre Truter schrieb:

After upgrading to openSUSE 10.2, my computer is not visible from my
phone via bluetooth anymore.

I can connect to the phone via OBEX and send files from the computer,
but if I want to send files from the phone, it is not able to locate
the computer when you search for devices on the phone.

I tried it with the gnome bluetooth applet as well as the KDE bluetooth applet.
I also recreated my bluetooth setup from scratch, but it still does not help.

Any idea what might be wrong?

I tried it with Nokia 9300 and N70 phones, both used to be able to see
the computer when I ran SUSE 10.1 and earlier.

Thanks

  


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Re: [opensuse] Re: Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

2007-09-03 Thread Matthew Stringer

Eberhard Roloff wrote:

Richard Atcheson wrote:
When asked about getting a non defective board they told 
him to take it or leave it or he could purchase another board.  

He did, and gave the ASUS to someother poor fool.  No ASUS boards in either of 
our computer rooms again.



I fully agree that ASUS and  (feel free to insert any other brad
name here) in fact do supply faulty hardware and underdone Firmware and
BIOS editions.

I should have mentioned that I also buy ultraconservatively. I.E. I
never buy the newest, latest and greatest motherboard, no matter how
funky it looks. Instead I wait for at least six months or even longer
until you can tell about potential hardware problems via internet and
computer mag reviews) and you usually get a decent firmware revision.

In short:
After a while, you feel more like a customer rather than like an unpaid
Beta-Tester.


I bet you're already running 10.3 ;)



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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Beta2 severily broken

2007-09-03 Thread Thomas Meindl
Art Fore schrieb:
 Mouse is a Dell, about 3 years old, so that does not really make sense.
 Will change it to a PS2 mouse though.

 Art

   

Hmm, strange because this is in your xorg.conf:
  Option   Device /dev/input/mice
  Option   Name Logitech Optical USB Mouse

Tom
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Re: [opensuse] Updating through Yast

2007-09-03 Thread Stanislav Visnovsky
Dňa Friday 31 August 2007 22:39:29 Fernando Costa ste napísal:
Hi...

 I'm updating some programs (compiz, gwenview, etc.. ) with yast... but
 the process is freezed... is about half hour that is freezed 100%
 percent completed) and don't know what would happen if I shut down or
 kill the process... please give some help (not using Zen
 Synchronization). openSUSE 10.2

Check the last messages from /var/log/YaST2/y2log. Anything suspicious?

Stano
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[opensuse] mysqld and mysql

2007-09-03 Thread azeem ahmad

hi list
i have an FC4 machine with mysqld installed with the default configuration, 
Say Box A, and i have another FC4 machine which i want to use as a client, 
say Box B


when i start mysqld service on Box A and i issue the following command on 
shell

#mysql -u root -p

it simply connects with the server mysqld running on the localhost.

but when i goto Box B and issue the following command

#mysql --host=Box A's IP -u root -p

it says the Box B is not allowed to connect to the mysqld server

how to resolve this issue

Regards
Azeem

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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Beta2 severily broken

2007-09-03 Thread Art Fore
On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 10:08 +0200, Thomas Meindl wrote:
 Art Fore schrieb:
  Mouse is a Dell, about 3 years old, so that does not really make sense.
  Will change it to a PS2 mouse though.
 
  Art
 

 
 Hmm, strange because this is in your xorg.conf:
   Option   Device /dev/input/mice
   Option   Name Logitech Optical USB Mouse
 
 Tom

I agree, it is strange, but maybe Logitech makes the Dell mouse? I don't
know.

Art

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Re: [opensuse] mysqld and mysql

2007-09-03 Thread Dave Howorth
azeem ahmad wrote:
 hi list
 i have an FC4 machine with mysqld installed with the default
 configuration, Say Box A, and i have another FC4 machine which i want
 to use as a client, say Box B

 when i start mysqld service on Box A and i issue the following command
 on shell
 #mysql -u root -p
 
 it simply connects with the server mysqld running on the localhost.
 
 but when i goto Box B and issue the following command
 
 #mysql --host=Box A's IP -u root -p
 
 it says the Box B is not allowed to connect to the mysqld server
 
 how to resolve this issue


Well
(1) these are all FC4 systems so you could try their lists rather than
the Suse lists!
(2) it's a mysql usage problem so you could try their lists rather than
an OS list!

It's a permission issue. Read the mysql docs for how to set up
permissions on the version of mysql that you have, which you didn't tell us.

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Re: [opensuse] 10.1 Multiple wireless routers 1 wireless card?

2007-09-03 Thread G T Smith
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Adolph Weidanz wrote:
 Hey all...
 
 This might be one of those that just can't be done...
 
 Ok... I have a DLink 451 (HSDPA hotspot wireless router) that I have
 setup as 192.168.1.1 w/ DHCP off (all the computers have set IPs). I
 also have a ancient linksys befw11s4 wireless. In a perfect world I want
 to have the linksys act as an AP for the printer (yes it is networkable)
 and the dlink connect to the world. All of the computers would connect
 via the dlink, but be able to print by sending via cups to 192.168.1.1/2
 
 Now I found a couple of ideas on how to do it: I set the linksys to
 192.168.1.2, both the routers are on channel 1. One place I've run into
 problems is that the howtos I've found all say that the essid's have to
 be different. So say, the dlink's essid is route1, and linksys is
 route2. The problem with this is the network card setup requires an
 essid in order to use WEP. If I use route1 then it can't see route2.
 
 The easiest way to do it is to buy a second wireless card and set the
 linksys as 192.168.0.1, but I would rather get it to work without the
 this way.
 
 Any ideas be appreciated...
 

What I am not clear about is whether the other machines have wi-fi or
cable networking ...

Unfortunately AP are low level connection points and normal IP based
routing techniques cannot be used with the APs themselves.

If you choose to run two distinct wireless networks and you need one
machine to connect to both you will need two wi-fi cards on that
machine. To avoid the two interfering with each other you need them to
be on two channels at least 2 apart (i.e. 5 7 , 6 8) but preferably
further, it is definitely not a good idea to have them on the same
channel. BTW Check your countries wireless regulation a couple of EU
states have some restrictions on what channels can be used.

You do not state the make of printer or the distance between printer and
the box you wish to connect to. Some printer have Bluetooth support or
can be upgraded with a WiFi card this may provide an alternative option.

It is possibled to setup a wireless bridge but this is usually only
possible with two devices from the same manufacturer which have support
for that manufacturers bridging technology (I am running a netgear wifi
bridge based setup myself). You will probably be able to do this if one
or other of the manufacturers of your current APs supplies an AP with
bridge support that can be connected to by cable to the other
manufacturers router.

Finally, there are wireless print servers available.

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Re: [opensuse] 10.3 Beta2 severily broken

2007-09-03 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 03 September 2007 03:08, Thomas Meindl wrote:
 Art Fore schrieb:
  Mouse is a Dell, about 3 years old, so that does not really make sense.
  Will change it to a PS2 mouse though.
 
  Art

 Hmm, strange because this is in your xorg.conf:
   Option   Device /dev/input/mice
   Option   Name Logitech Optical USB Mouse

 Tom

The vendor ID that mouse reports when scanned by driver probably belong to 
Logitech. I have Dynex mouse that reports ID that is in database Belkin. 

It is normal to purchase parts from others and assemble final product. 

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Re: [opensuse] mysqld and mysql

2007-09-03 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 03 September 2007 03:42, azeem ahmad wrote:
 hi list
 i have an FC4 machine with mysqld installed with the default configuration,
 Say Box A, and i have another FC4 machine which i want to use as a
 client, say Box B
...

Azeem

The idea to crosspost fedora technical question on opensuse mail list is 
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Re: [opensuse] Re: Asus P5K3 Deluxe motherboard + OpenSUSE 10.3

2007-09-03 Thread Eberhard Roloff
Matthew Stringer wrote:
 Eberhard Roloff wrote:
 I fully agree that ASUS and  (feel free to insert any other brand
 name here) in fact do supply faulty hardware and underdone Firmware and
 BIOS editions.

 I should have mentioned that I also buy ultraconservatively. I.E. I
 never buy the newest, latest and greatest motherboard, no matter how
 funky it looks. Instead I wait for at least six months or even longer
 until you can tell about potential hardware problems (via internet and
 computer mag reviews) and you usually get a decent firmware revision.

 In short:
 After a while, you feel more like a customer rather than like an unpaid
 Beta-Tester.
 
 I bet you're already running 10.3 ;)
 
How did you find out? I did not tell anyone about it! :-))

Seriously, with Software, I do it just like this. It's a bit like good
wine. It's most often gets better with age.

Kind regards
Eberhard

 
 

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[opensuse] openSUSE 10.2 problem while booting

2007-09-03 Thread Step0ut

Hi all,

I am running openSUSE 10.2, yesterday while installing some
new updates with yast2 the X-system crashed (probably due to some
other program, xine) and together the yast2 installation.

Next time I tried to boot my pc I got the following message:

/etc/init.d/boot.d/S08boot.localfs: line 117 /sbin/fsck/ cannot execute
binary file   failed
blogd: no message logging because /var file system is not accessible.

Then it asks for the root password and I can login (but with no graphics).
All files are fine and I can run yast2 with some blue graphics,
but I am not quite sure what to update or reinstall.
Any ideas how to restore the system?

Thanks,
step0ut



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RE: [opensuse] Trying to internally redistribute a recompiled kernel.

2007-09-03 Thread Jan Engelhardt

On Sep 2 2007 22:30, Darragh wrote:

Possibly a stupid question, but where are these packages.  Yast hasn't found
them and a quick search hasn't turned up anything either.

I'll keep looking but if you could point me in the right direction I'd
appreciate it.

lbuild can be found in lnussel's repository (/repositories/home:/lnussel/).
Note that you cannot reasonably build kernel rpms with rpmbuild because
symlinks will not be correctly changed, and hence, things like VMware
fail to compile.


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[opensuse] XGL to compiz

2007-09-03 Thread Chris Arnold
I use SLED10 SP1 with gnome. How can i go from xgl to compiz? A quick
rpm -qa compiz produces compiz-0.4.0-0.21 so it looks to be installed.
Compiz gnome is also installed. Can someone walk me through changing
from xgl to compiz? Thanks in advance

Chris

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Re: [opensuse] XGL to compiz

2007-09-03 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 03 September 2007 07:10:40 am Chris Arnold wrote:
 I use SLED10 SP1 with gnome. How can i go from xgl to compiz? A quick
 rpm -qa compiz produces compiz-0.4.0-0.21 so it looks to be installed.
 Compiz gnome is also installed. Can someone walk me through changing
 from xgl to compiz? Thanks in advance

 Chris

Is this what you are looking for:
http://en.opensuse.org/Compiz_Fusion

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Re: [opensuse] XGL to compiz

2007-09-03 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Chris Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I use SLED10 SP1 with gnome. How can i go from xgl to compiz? A quick
 rpm -qa compiz produces compiz-0.4.0-0.21 so it looks to be installed.
 Compiz gnome is also installed. Can someone walk me through changing
 from xgl to compiz? Thanks in advance

XGL and compiz are both needed together, xgl as the X server, compiz as
windowmanager.  I guess you ask for additional compiz modules which you
can get from our build service,

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Re: [opensuse] Up to date bonding documentation ?

2007-09-03 Thread James Tremblay
On Sun, 2007-09-02 at 11:53 -0500, Rajko M. wrote:
 On Friday 31 August 2007 10:37, Christian Zoz wrote:
  On Thu, Aug 30, Frank Bonnet wrote:
   I've found some docs about bonding but it is written that it is an
   obsolete page !
  
   What is the good doc page URL for opensuse 10.2 ?
 
  man ifcfg-bonding
 
 Hi Christian,
 
 If Frank prefer URL, in Konqueror Location field:
  man:ifcfg-bonding
 ;-)
 
 http://en.opensuse.org/Bonding
 http://en.opensuse.org/Bonded_Interfaces_With_Optional_VLAN
 
 BTW, as coauthor of ifcfg-bonding manual, can you see above links. 
 First probably needs update for newer versions of SUSE.  
  
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 Regards,
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All of these references to bonding are CRAP , I have a stack of IBM
x305 servers all of which come with two Broadcom nics which under
Netware are very easy to load  balance with, I have released a few of
these servers by building vmware replacements for functions like the
printserver I was using for Iprint. With the released servers I have
been working with SLES 10 sp1 and OES2 BETA, the documentation for
bonding is as vague as one could possibly find in a enterprise solution.
I had to combine all of these papers and some seat of the pants know how
to get it working. The new Yast Networking module supports bonding , but
there is no documentation that tells you how to set your physical nics
up as slaves so you have to read and apply the CLI papers to figure
that out. Then there are issues with options, the documentation
regarding  the setting of the VNic (bond0) are even worse, only trial
and error got me to use the -rr (round robin) setting correctly. Novell
and the SUSE team need to invest heavily in YaST usability. YaST is a
very useful tool but it too often assumes that it is a shortcut for a
CLI user rather than the primary tool set for a new Linux Admin\User.
The left pain that is supposed to be the guide to setup needs to include
more links to, preferably Novell on-line Docs, but really good community
docs specific to SUSE\YaST usage would be acceptable 

p.s this documentation void is also very evident in the advanced
functions of the DHCP and DNS servers.
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Re: [opensuse] PAM mk_homedir when coming through SSH

2007-09-03 Thread Verner Kjærsgaard
Mandag 03 september 2007 09:21 skrev Gaël Lams:
 Hi,

  - What if the user comes in (for the first time) though SSH,
  authenticates against the AD, and then wants a home-dir to be created.
  Which PAM file (in /etc/pam.d) should I modify? And what should I write
  in it?

 Here is what I use on my linux boxes with ssh configured to
 authenticate through ldap:

 # Modify /etc/pam.d/common-session

 echo 'session required pam_mkhomedir.so skel=/etc/skel/ umask=027' 
 /etc/pam.d/common-session

 Regards,

 Gael

- in short; thanks !

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Re: [opensuse] my evolution can not save (re-use) password

2007-09-03 Thread taharka
How do,

On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 12:00 +0530, Srinivasa Ragavan wrote:
 Hi Patrik,
 
 On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 13:05 +0700, Patrik Hasibuan wrote:
  Hi Srinivasa,
  
  Thank you for your respond.
  
  I use OpenSuSE10.2 . Evolution ver.2.8.2 Groupware suite.
 There is an update to Evolution (Evolution-data-server rpm) for OpenSUSE
 10.2 which fixes the problem.
 
 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=222479 is the reference bug.

That info is rather dated (March 2007 I believe?). The following is the
latest Evolution-data-server on my system.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ rpm -qi evolution-data-server
Name: evolution-data-serverRelocations: (not
relocatable)
Version : 1.8.2 Vendor: SUSE LINUX
Products GmbH, Nuernberg, Germany
Release : 11Build Date: Mon 02 Jul 2007
10:11:21 AM EDT
Install Date: Sat 07 Jul 2007 07:00:23 PM EDT  Build Host:
dvorak.suse.de
Group   : Development/Libraries/GNOME   Source RPM:
evolution-data-server-1.8.2-11.src.rpm
Size: 12862885 License: GPL v2 or later
Signature   : DSA/SHA1, Mon 02 Jul 2007 10:17:17 AM EDT, Key ID
a84edae89c800aca
Packager: http://bugs.opensuse.org
URL : http://www.gnome.org
Summary : Evolution Data Server
Description :
Evolution Data Server provides a central location for your address book
and calendar in the GNOME Desktop.
Distribution: openSUSE 10.2 (i586)

BTW, I'm running the GNOME Desktop here and still have the problem of
having to enter a GNOME keyring password every time a user logs in and
sends/receives email the first time :-(( My ISP provides me with 5 email
accounts and it's very irritating to remember 5 GNOME keyring
passwords :-((

 Thanks
 Srini.

Peace 'n' hair grease ;-)

taharka

Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.

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Re: [opensuse] XGL to compiz

2007-09-03 Thread CyberOrg
On 9/3/07, Chris Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I use SLED10 SP1 with gnome. How can i go from xgl to compiz? A quick
 rpm -qa compiz produces compiz-0.4.0-0.21 so it looks to be installed.
 Compiz gnome is also installed. Can someone walk me through changing
 from xgl to compiz? Thanks in advance


In gnome-control-center - desktop-effects - enable effects

Or if you are certain that your graphics is fully supported(most
intel) run the following at run level 3 as root:

gnome-xgl-switch --disable-xgl

Cheers

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Re: [opensuse]

2007-09-03 Thread Jerry Feldman
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:43:42 +0200 (CEST)
Jan Engelhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Aug 26 2007 01:37, Michael S. Dunsavage wrote:
 
 How many cpu's can linux support?
  ^
 
 $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep ^processor | tail -n1
 processor  : 511
 
 
 That is the largest machine around, I suppose the guys from SGI have
 some with even more.

SGI, HP, IBM, and Red Hat all are testing with many CPUs. I think the
more important issue is scaling. I couldn't quickly find any recent
articles, but tests have shown Linux to scale well at 64 CPUs. I
suspect that you could probably find a paper on the SGI, HP, or IBM
sites that shows scaling data for more than 64. Currently, I can't
afford a 64-CPU system :-)

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Re: [opensuse] XGL to compiz

2007-09-03 Thread Chris Arnold
CyberOrg wrote:

 In gnome-control-center - desktop-effects - enable effects

 Or if you are certain that your graphics is fully supported(most
 intel) run the following at run level 3 as root:

 gnome-xgl-switch --disable-xgl
   
I am using desktop effects already without any problems (with 3d
wobbly windows and all). So, if i understand this right, i can use
compiz themes like emerald now with xgl/compiz?

Chris

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Re: [opensuse] XGL to compiz

2007-09-03 Thread CyberOrg
On 9/3/07, Chris Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So, if i understand this right, i can use
 compiz themes like emerald now with xgl/compiz?


Not on SLED 10, but on 10.2 and 10.3 yes.

Ciao

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Re: [opensuse] 10.1 Multiple wireless routers 1 wireless card?

2007-09-03 Thread G T Smith
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Adolph  Sharon Weidanz wrote:
 G T Smith wrote:
 Adolph Weidanz wrote:
 Hey all...
 
 Any ideas be appreciated...

 What I am not clear about is whether the other machines have wi-fi or
 cable networking ...
 
 The other machines are all wi-fi, the only cable I wanted to use was the
 one between the linksys and the printer.
 
 Unfortunately AP are low level connection points and normal IP based
 routing techniques cannot be used with the APs themselves.
 
 Since the printer has it's own IP (192.168.1.15) then would the AP be
 transparent and the packet just hunt down where .15 is?
 

No.. been there, got the teeshirt.

What you will have is two separate networks that will not pass info
between each other and random connectivity to the APs that link to those
networks.. not only will you not get the result you desire you are
likely to prang the whole network (as routing will become chaotic). To
integrate the APs you need to bridge between them somehow so everything
is always connectable to everything else. APs do not function like
network cards they provide the equivalent of the wire to connect between
locations.

A possible alternative is a power cable network connection (via your
power cables, not a lot of bandwidth but do you really need it for a
printer?). I have never investigated using this technology with Linux
but it might worth considering in your situation.  .

 If you choose to run two distinct wireless networks and you need one
 machine to connect to both you will need two wi-fi cards on that
 machine. To avoid the two interfering with each other you need them to
 This is what I was hoping to avoid. I guess this is the way to go, the
 cards are fairly cheap...

With this you will have two approaches available (bridging or routing),
with the linux bridge support I have had problems with WiFi cards so
routing is probably the soundest option. BTW you may have further
problems if you use a laptop for routing, a desktop class machine is
probably preferable.

 
 You do not state the make of printer or the distance between printer and
 the box you wish to connect to. Some printer have Bluetooth support or
 can be upgraded with a WiFi card this may provide an alternative option.
 The printer is a Dell 1600N and the linksys router sits next to it. The
 dlink sits about 30ft away, but because of the location a wire can't be
 run from the printer to the dlink.
 
 Finally, there are wireless print servers available.

 But they are more then the wireless cards, and the goal of the setup was
 to make it work with existing equipment.

Actually if you have old knackered PC available you can put in a a WiFi
card in it and connect to the printer directly. (You only would only
need a monitor for the initial setup).
 


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Re: [opensuse] VirtualBox

2007-09-03 Thread Alexey Eremenko
You are extremely lucky :)

Because I am the author of VirtualBox for openSUSE guide:
http://forgeftp.novell.com/lfl/.html/virtualbox.html

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[opensuse] Partition size for subversion repository

2007-09-03 Thread Cristea Bogdan
Can you recommend what should be the partition size for holding only a
subversion repository. I need this for my personal projects, which in general
are quite small.
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Re: [opensuse] XGL to compiz

2007-09-03 Thread Chris Arnold
Andreas Jaeger wrote:

 XGL and compiz are both needed together, xgl as the X server, compiz as
 windowmanager.  I guess you ask for additional compiz modules which you
 can get from our build service,
   
I am looking for those modules now. Where on the buildservice are they?
Thanks

Chris

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Re: [opensuse] Partition size for subversion repository

2007-09-03 Thread Leo Eraly

Cristea Bogdan wrote:

Can you recommend what should be the partition size for holding only a
subversion repository. I need this for my personal projects, which in general
are quite small.


If you don't know in advance how many space you need it might be 
interesting to use LVM.

That way you can always resize afterwards.

My 2 cents


Leo

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Re: [opensuse] VirtualBox

2007-09-03 Thread Rajko M.
On Sunday 02 September 2007 10:02:49 pm Hans Linux wrote:
 dear all
 i m having problem with my VirtualBox on my opensuse 102. The error is :


 VirtualBox kernel driver not installed. The vboxdrv kernel module was
 either not loaded or /dev/vboxdrv was not created for some reason.
...
 I try the command as suggested, but vboxdrv doesnt seem to be exist :
 /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
 -bash: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv: No such file or directory

I got that too.

 I installed it using opensuse10.2 repo. any idea what should i do?

Besides Alexey's article, you may try as root to load:
  modprobe vboxdrv
and see if it can start.

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[opensuse] OpenSuse 10.2

2007-09-03 Thread RTF
Greetings all.  I'm preparing to install OpenSuse 10.2 and have been 
browsing the web reading various installation instructions (just to make 
sure I don't go an overwrite my MBR or something else stupid) and came 
across the following...


Quote -
You will see now a summary of the Installation Settings, which comes in 
a Standard (default) and Expert (for power users) view.  I will suggest 
using an empty hard drive for this installation;  that means no other 
operating system on it, ok?  The partition process is automatic and it 
will erase all your data from the selected hard drive.

Unquote -

I have my hard drive split into two different partitions by Partition 
Magic.  Can I safely assume I may substitute selected partition for 
selected hard drive above?  I've never run into such a draconian 
warning with any other Linux distribution and I have installed several 
over the years, always with a dual boot arrangement with Windows.


Thanks in advance.

Rob
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[opensuse] Skype 1.4 install

2007-09-03 Thread Chris Arnold
On SLED10 SP1 with gnome. Yep, i am back trying to get skype installed :)
The software requirements to install skype 1.4 are:

* Qt 4.2.1+
* D-Bus 1.0.0
* libsigc++ 2.0.2
* libasound2 1.0.12

 The only one of these requirements i have is libsigc++. I have QT3
installed, D-Bus 0.60 and no libasound2. I am looking through the repos
http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/ for QT 4.2.1+ and see it on a
mirror. The problem is this mirror lists many QT4 (it has libqt4 and
avahiqt4 etc). What package do i need to meet the requirement for skype
1.4? I have found D-Bus 1.0 here
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/suse/i586/ and
libasound2 here
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/audio/openSUSE_10.2/i586/
I have a question on the libasound2 install: i use alsa, as far as i
know, so will installing libasound2 mess-up my current sound?
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Re: [opensuse] Skype 1.4 install

2007-09-03 Thread Chris Arnold
Chris Arnold wrote:
 On SLED10 SP1 with gnome. Yep, i am back trying to get skype installed :)
 The software requirements to install skype 1.4 are:

 * Qt 4.2.1+
 * D-Bus 1.0.0
 * libsigc++ 2.0.2
 * libasound2 1.0.12

  The only one of these requirements i have is libsigc++. I have QT3
 installed, D-Bus 0.60 and no libasound2. I am looking through the repos
 http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/ for QT 4.2.1+ and see it on a
 mirror. The problem is this mirror lists many QT4 (it has libqt4 and
 avahiqt4 etc). What package do i need to meet the requirement for skype
 1.4? I have found D-Bus 1.0 here
 http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/suse/i586/ and
 libasound2 here
 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/audio/openSUSE_10.2/i586/
 I have a question on the libasound2 install: i use alsa, as far as i
 know, so will installing libasound2 mess-up my current sound?
   
I get this on rpm -Uvh filename.rpm:
error: Failed dependencies:
libqt4-x11 = 4.2 is needed by skype-1.4.0.99-suse.i586
libQtCore.so.4 is needed by skype-1.4.0.99-suse.i586
libQtDBus.so.4 is needed by skype-1.4.0.99-suse.i586
libQtGui.so.4 is needed by skype-1.4.0.99-suse.i586
libQtNetwork.so.4 is needed by skype-1.4.0.99-suse.i586

All of these are lib* so i am going to assume i need to install libqt4-4.2.1
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Re: [opensuse] Up to date bonding documentation ?

2007-09-03 Thread Jan Engelhardt

On Sep 3 2007 08:29, James Tremblay wrote:
  On Thu, Aug 30, Frank Bonnet wrote:
   I've found some docs about bonding but it is written that it is an
   obsolete page !
  
   What is the good doc page URL for opensuse 10.2 ?
 
  man ifcfg-bonding
 
 Hi Christian,
 
 If Frank prefer URL, in Konqueror Location field:
  man:ifcfg-bonding
 ;-)
 
 http://en.opensuse.org/Bonding
 http://en.opensuse.org/Bonded_Interfaces_With_Optional_VLAN
 
 BTW, as coauthor of ifcfg-bonding manual, can you see above links. 
 First probably needs update for newer versions of SUSE.  


All of these references to bonding are CRAP , I have a stack of IBM
x305 servers all of which come with two Broadcom nics which under
Netware are very easy to load  balance with, I have released a few of
[...]

Does a real-world example make you happ{y,ier}?

BONDING_MASTER='yes'
BONDING_MODULE_OPTS='mode=balance-rr'
BONDING_SLAVE0='eth-id-00:04:23:d0:1e:6a'
BONDING_SLAVE1='eth-id-00:04:23:d0:1e:6b'
BOOTPROTO='static'
ETHTOOL_OPTIONS=''
IPADDR='192.168.6.8/25'
NAME='bond0'
STARTMODE='auto'
USERCONTROL='no'


Jan
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Re: [opensuse] Skype 1.4 install

2007-09-03 Thread Mark Goldstein
On 9/3/07, Chris Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I get this on rpm -Uvh filename.rpm:
 error: Failed dependencies:
 libqt4-x11 = 4.2 is needed by skype-1.4.0.99-suse.i586
 libQtCore.so.4 is needed by skype-1.4.0.99-suse.i586
 libQtDBus.so.4 is needed by skype-1.4.0.99-suse.i586
 libQtGui.so.4 is needed by skype-1.4.0.99-suse.i586
 libQtNetwork.so.4 is needed by skype-1.4.0.99-suse.i586

 All of these are lib* so i am going to assume i need to install libqt4-4.2.1
 --

You can also download statically linked skype 1.4 (in case you just
want to try this beta version).
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Re: [opensuse] Skype 1.4 install

2007-09-03 Thread Chris Arnold
Mark Goldstein wrote:

 You can also download statically linked skype 1.4 (in case you just
 want to try this beta version).
   
Where do i download the statically linked skype? I used install
software and typed in skype and a package was returned but when i
clicked it and said install, i got
Unresolved dependencies:
There are no installable providers of skype
Marking this resolution attempt as invalid.

Does the cache need to be cleared or something?

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Re: [opensuse] Skype 1.4 install

2007-09-03 Thread Mark Goldstein
On 9/3/07, Chris Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Where do i download the statically linked skype? I used install
 software and typed in skype and a package was returned but when i
 clicked it and said install, i got
 Unresolved dependencies:
 There are no installable providers of skype
 Marking this resolution attempt as invalid.

 Does the cache need to be cleared or something?

I did not use yast for this purpose, but just went to skype site. The
url is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-static. Actually after
reading about some issues with this version, I did not want to replace
previous one. This statically linked version is tar file that you
unpack into some directory (you'll need to copy icons and sounds to
/usr/share/skype) and you can try it. Works for me on OpenSuSE 10.2)

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Re: [opensuse] Skype 1.4 install

2007-09-03 Thread Chris Arnold
Mark Goldstein wrote:

 I did not use yast for this purpose, but just went to skype site. The
 url is http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-static. Actually after
 reading about some issues with this version, I did not want to replace
 previous one. This statically linked version is tar file that you
 unpack into some directory (you'll need to copy icons and sounds to
 /usr/share/skype) and you can try it. Works for me on OpenSuSE 10.2)
   
Yea, i could use that but i would like to get it installed. Any ideas on
what packages i would need?

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Re: [opensuse] Skype 1.4 install

2007-09-03 Thread Mark Goldstein
On 9/3/07, Chris Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark Goldstein wrote:
 Yea, i could use that but i would like to get it installed. Any ideas on
 what packages i would need?

No idea, sorry. This is what RPM REQUIRENAME specifies:
libqt4-x11 = 4.2
rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) = 4.0-1
rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) = 3.0.4-1
libQtCore.so.4
libQtDBus.so.4
libQtGui.so.4
libQtNetwork.so.4
libX11.so.6
libasound.so.2
libasound.so.2(ALSA_0.9)
libasound.so.2(ALSA_0.9.0rc4)
libc.so.6
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.3)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3.4)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.4)
libgcc_s.so.1
libgcc_s.so.1(GCC_3.0)
libgcc_s.so.1(GLIBC_2.0)
libm.so.6
libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.0)
libpthread.so.0
libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.0)
libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.1)
libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.2)
libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.3.2)
librt.so.1
libsigc-2.0.so.0
libstdc++.so.6
libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3)
libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3.1)
libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4)
libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.4)
rpmlib(PayloadIsBzip2) = 3.0.5-1

As I said I decided against replacing 1.3, so did not try rpm. I have
them both, 1.3 installed normally and 1.4 just for playing with.

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Re: [opensuse] Skype 1.4 install

2007-09-03 Thread Mark Goldstein
 On 9/3/07, Chris Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Mark Goldstein wrote:
  Yea, i could use that but i would like to get it installed. Any ideas on
  what packages i would need?

 No idea, sorry. This is what RPM REQUIRENAME specifies:
 libqt4-x11 = 4.2
 rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) = 4.0-1
 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) = 3.0.4-1
 libQtCore.so.4
 libQtDBus.so.4
 libQtGui.so.4
 libQtNetwork.so.4
 libX11.so.6
 libasound.so.2
 libasound.so.2(ALSA_0.9)
 libasound.so.2(ALSA_0.9.0rc4)
 libc.so.6
 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0)
 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1)
 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.3)
 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2)
 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3)
 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.3.4)
 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.4)
 libgcc_s.so.1
 libgcc_s.so.1(GCC_3.0)
 libgcc_s.so.1(GLIBC_2.0)
 libm.so.6
 libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.0)
 libpthread.so.0
 libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.0)
 libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.1)
 libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.2)
 libpthread.so.0(GLIBC_2.3.2)
 librt.so.1
 libsigc-2.0.so.0
 libstdc++.so.6
 libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3)
 libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3.1)
 libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4)
 libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4.4)
 rpmlib(PayloadIsBzip2) = 3.0.5-1


This is what Skype site says:

*  Qt 4.2.1+
* D-Bus 1.0.0
* libsigc++ 2.0.2
* libasound2 1.0.12

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Re: [opensuse] Skype 1.4 install

2007-09-03 Thread Chris Arnold
Chris Arnold wrote:
 On SLED10 SP1 with gnome. Yep, i am back trying to get skype installed :)
 The software requirements to install skype 1.4 are:

 * Qt 4.2.1+
 * D-Bus 1.0.0
 * libsigc++ 2.0.2
 * libasound2 1.0.12

  The only one of these requirements i have is libsigc++. I have QT3
 installed, D-Bus 0.60 and no libasound2. I am looking through the repos
 http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/ for QT 4.2.1+ and see it on a
 mirror. The problem is this mirror lists many QT4 (it has libqt4 and
 avahiqt4 etc). What package do i need to meet the requirement for skype
 1.4? I have found D-Bus 1.0 here
 http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/10.2/repo/oss/suse/i586/ and
 libasound2 here
 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/audio/openSUSE_10.2/i586/
 I have a question on the libasound2 install: i use alsa, as far as i
 know, so will installing libasound2 mess-up my current sound?
   
Here is my main question:

I am looking through the repos
http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/ for QT 4.2.1+ and see it on a
mirror. The problem is this mirror lists many QT4 (it has libqt4 and
avahiqt4 etc). What package do i need to meet the requirement for skype
1.4?


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Re: [opensuse] VirtualBox

2007-09-03 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 03 September 2007 11:48, Rajko M. wrote:
  I installed it using opensuse10.2 repo. any idea what should i do?

 Besides Alexey's article, you may try as root to load:
   modprobe vboxdrv
 and see if it can start.

No, it can't. 
Because there is no vboxdrv in rpm, not in
  http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/
  Virtualization:/VirtualBox/openSUSE_10.2/i586/
  VirtualBox-kmp-default-1.4.0_2.6.18.2_34-20.1.i586.rpm 

nor in 
  http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/
  Virtualization:/VirtualBox/openSUSE_10.2_Update/i586/
  VirtualBox-kmp-default-1.4.0_2.6.18.8_0.3-20.1.i586.rpm  

So, instructions in Alexey's article, or openSUSE 10.3 Beta3 is your only hope 
to get vboxdrv any soon.
 
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[opensuse] Creating Repositories

2007-09-03 Thread Otávio Fernandes
Dear Friends,

I have started with OpenSuSE some days ago, and I have many questions
about this distribution, but I have an great challenge to complete in
a few time:

I would like to create an RPM's repositoriy with OpenSuSE, to update
my clients, they will connect on my repos an get my versions of RPM.
This is possible ? How and where should I start ?

thanks,

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Re: [opensuse] Up to date bonding documentation ?

2007-09-03 Thread James Tremblay
On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 20:02 +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
 On Sep 3 2007 08:29, James Tremblay wrote:
   On Thu, Aug 30, Frank Bonnet wrote:
I've found some docs about bonding but it is written that it is an
obsolete page !
   
What is the good doc page URL for opensuse 10.2 ?
  
   man ifcfg-bonding
  
  Hi Christian,
  
  If Frank prefer URL, in Konqueror Location field:
   man:ifcfg-bonding
  ;-)
  
  http://en.opensuse.org/Bonding
  http://en.opensuse.org/Bonded_Interfaces_With_Optional_VLAN
  
  BTW, as coauthor of ifcfg-bonding manual, can you see above links. 
  First probably needs update for newer versions of SUSE.  
 
 
 All of these references to bonding are CRAP , I have a stack of IBM
 x305 servers all of which come with two Broadcom nics which under
 Netware are very easy to load  balance with, I have released a few of
 [...]
 
 Does a real-world example make you happ{y,ier}?
 
 BONDING_MASTER='yes'
 BONDING_MODULE_OPTS='mode=balance-rr'
 BONDING_SLAVE0='eth-id-00:04:23:d0:1e:6a'
 BONDING_SLAVE1='eth-id-00:04:23:d0:1e:6b'
 BOOTPROTO='static'
 ETHTOOL_OPTIONS=''
 IPADDR='192.168.6.8/25'
 NAME='bond0'
 STARTMODE='auto'
 USERCONTROL='no'
 
 
   Jan

Jan,
Nice conf file, (now try that with the GUI only, and submit those
instructions to the wiki) but it still does nothing to improve teaching
the process to the uninitiated windows convert, aka GUI Slaves.
However wonderful and useful the command line is to us old hacks(15 year
Netware guy here), the guy supporting 150 or even 15 pc's (the bread and
butter market) who wants to cut costs on his W2K3 server licensing by
replacing windblows with SuSE, is far from having the time to learn and
use it...let alone find and sift through 5 or 10 docs related to SuSE 7,
8 or even the now obsolete 9, of course there are those meatwhistles
that will argue that he shouldn't be targeted, but, they usually live in
their mothers basement and think DHCP is a bad idea, need I say more
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[opensuse] ld error .

2007-09-03 Thread peter nikolic
Hi .

I am trying to compile gsat part of the Predict package  all goes fine untill 


Making all in src
make[2]: Entering directory 
`/home/downloads/predict-2.2.3/clients/gsat-1.1.0/src'
gcc  -g -O2 -Wall  -o gsat  main.o support.o interface.o callbacks.o comms.o 
plugins.o db.o 
prefs.o -L/usr/lib64 -L/usr/lib64 -lgtk -lgdk -rdynamic -lgmodule -lglib -ldl 
-lXi -lXext -lX11 -lm
  
/usr/lib64/gcc/x86_64-suse-linux/4.1.3/../../../../x86_64-suse-linux/bin/ld: 
errno: TLS definition in /lib64/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS 
reference in callbacks.o
/lib64/libc.so.6: could not read symbols: Bad value
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [gsat] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory 
`/home/downloads/predict-2.2.3/clients/gsat-1.1.0/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/downloads/predict-2.2.3/clients/gsat-1.1.0'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
7-of-9:/home/downloads/predict-2.2.3/clients/gsat-1.1.0 # 

anyone give me an idea as to what the problem is   

Thanks ..

Pete .

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Re: [opensuse] No icons, distorted fonts

2007-09-03 Thread Cristea Bogdan
   I have again the same problem: my desktop is almost white, I can
see text but the background picture and all icons are gone. I have
created another account, all seemed normal, I have started to transfer
files into my new account, but after several hours this new account
has the same problems as the old one. Also, when I start firefox I get
a white window, so that it becomes unusable.
   I have deleted .kde and .kde4 dirs, I have also tried to repair my
system with the installation DVD, but with no result.
   Has anyone already experienced this behaviour? Can you give some
hints how to solve this issue without installing from scratch the
system?

On 9/2/07, Pete Connolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bogdan Cristea wrote:
  Hi Pete
   Yes, it is related to something in my home dir. When I am logged as root 
  all
  seems normal.
  Bogdan
 
  On Sunday 02 September 2007 18:22, you wrote:
 
  Bogdan Cristea wrote:
 
I don't know what happens, but now, when I start the system, I have
  lost all icons (I can see the task bar, but no visible buttons, as for
  example the K Menu). Same phenomenon when I use an application (KMail),
  the buttons from the toolbar are not visible. When I start a terminal,
  the fonts in terminal are distorted, but not the fonts which are
  displayed in the window border. I have not updated my system, nor
  installed something else, all happens suddenly with no apparent reason.
  -- Can you give some suggestions ?
  Bogdan Cristea
 
  Hi Bogdan
 
  Do you get the same problem if you log in as a different user?  Just
  checking to see if this is related to something in your home directory.
 
  Cheers
 
  Pete
 
 I don't suppose you have a recent bakup of the .kde directory to compare
 the current one with?  Otherwise we'd have to compare application data
 for the affected applications with a 'good' version in a different
 user's .kde directory.

 Cheers

 Pete



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[opensuse] .emerald files

2007-09-03 Thread Chris Arnold
I use gnome and xgl/compiz with desktop effects active and working. Over
at gnome-look, i have some themes i want to install and they are
.emerald files. How do i install and use these themes?
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Re: [opensuse] 10.1 Multiple wireless routers 1 wireless card?

2007-09-03 Thread ka1ifq
On Monday 03 September 2007 10:31, G T Smith wrote:
 Adolph  Sharon Weidanz wrote:
  G T Smith wrote:
  Adolph Weidanz wrote:
  Hey all...
 
  Any ideas be appreciated...
 
  What I am not clear about is whether the other machines have wi-fi or
  cable networking ...
 
  The other machines are all wi-fi, the only cable I wanted to use was the
  one between the linksys and the printer.
 
  Unfortunately AP are low level connection points and normal IP based
  routing techniques cannot be used with the APs themselves.
 
  Since the printer has it's own IP (192.168.1.15) then would the AP be
  transparent and the packet just hunt down where .15 is?

 No.. been there, got the teeshirt.

 What you will have is two separate networks that will not pass info
 between each other and random connectivity to the APs that link to those
 networks.. not only will you not get the result you desire you are
 likely to prang the whole network (as routing will become chaotic). To
 integrate the APs you need to bridge between them somehow so everything
 is always connectable to everything else. APs do not function like
 network cards they provide the equivalent of the wire to connect between
 locations.

 A possible alternative is a power cable network connection (via your
 power cables, not a lot of bandwidth but do you really need it for a
 printer?). I have never investigated using this technology with Linux
 but it might worth considering in your situation.  .

  If you choose to run two distinct wireless networks and you need one
  machine to connect to both you will need two wi-fi cards on that
  machine. To avoid the two interfering with each other you need them to
 
  This is what I was hoping to avoid. I guess this is the way to go, the
  cards are fairly cheap...

 With this you will have two approaches available (bridging or routing),
 with the linux bridge support I have had problems with WiFi cards so
 routing is probably the soundest option. BTW you may have further
 problems if you use a laptop for routing, a desktop class machine is
 probably preferable.

  You do not state the make of printer or the distance between printer and
  the box you wish to connect to. Some printer have Bluetooth support or
  can be upgraded with a WiFi card this may provide an alternative option.
 
  The printer is a Dell 1600N and the linksys router sits next to it. The
  dlink sits about 30ft away, but because of the location a wire can't be
  run from the printer to the dlink.
 
  Finally, there are wireless print servers available.
 
  But they are more then the wireless cards, and the goal of the setup was
  to make it work with existing equipment.

 Actually if you have old knackered PC available you can put in a a WiFi
 card in it and connect to the printer directly. (You only would only
 need a monitor for the initial setup).

 I musta missed the original post. It sounds like you want to connect a 
printer to a router / wap and use it on an existing wireless network.

 I have my computer connected that way right now!

 I had a Linksys WAP11 originally, there is a setting in one of the menu's 
that allows it to operate basiclly in reverse, after you set it up you can 
unplug a wired system and plug in the AP and the system knows no difference.

 I just upgraded to a Buffalo WHR-G54S and did the same thing, so it can be 
done, it's all in the setup! I bought the Buffalo because it was $50 with $25 
in rebates.

HTH, Good Luck.
Mike
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[opensuse] Statically linked openmotif applications core dump on startup

2007-09-03 Thread K.R. Foley
Hi,

I am having problems with statically linked openmotif applications core
dumping on opensuse 10.2. These applications worked fine on suse 9.3.
When linked dynamically these applications seem to work fine. I get no
compile or link errors. If I try to get a backtrace from the core file
using gdb I just get 5 or 6 addresses but no symbols. This is a really
odd error. If I can provide more information I will be glad to do that.
Any ideas?

Here is the output from the build:

Mon Sep  3 19:06:29 CDT 2007  Started make
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/utils/messagebox/src'
make[1]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/utils/messagebox/src'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/utils/messagebox/obj'
...updating dependencies for messagebox.cpp
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/utils/messagebox/obj'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/utils/messagebox/obj'
g++ -I/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/include -I/home/kr/odacs_4.2/ate/include
-I/home/kr/odacs_4.2/hpc/include -I/home/kr/devtools_4.2/include
-I/home/kr/odacs_4.2/pal/include -I/usr/X11R6/include
-I/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/include -I/home/kr/odacs_4.2/ate/include
-I/home/kr/odacs_4.2/hpc/include -I/home/kr/devtools_4.2/include
-I/home/kr/odacs_4.2/pal/include -DOTCL_STATIC -DOS_SUSE
-DOS_VERSION=100200 -DKERN_LINUX -DKERN_VERSION=20619 -DCPU_X86
-DIO_SBS618 -I../src -D_REENTRANT -D_THREADS -pipe -march=pentium2 -O2
-Wall  -c ../src/messagebox.cpp -o messagebox.o
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/utils/messagebox/obj'
make[1]: Entering directory `/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/utils/messagebox/bin'
... building version.o
g++  ./version.o ../obj/messagebox.o
/home/kr/odacs_4.2/pal/lib/libpalt.a
/home/kr/odacs_4.2/pal/lib/libtimet.a
/home/kr/odacs_4.2/pal/lib/libtpro.a
/home/kr/odacs_4.2/pal/lib/libbaset.a -L/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/lib
-L/home/kr/odacs_4.2/ate/lib -L/home/kr/odacs_4.2/hpc/lib
-L/home/kr/devtools_4.2/lib -L/home/kr/odacs_4.2/pal/lib -static
-L/home/kr/odacs_4.2/pal/lib /home/kr/odacs_4.2/pal/lib/libpalt.a
/home/kr/odacs_4.2/pal/lib/libtimet.a
/home/kr/odacs_4.2/pal/lib/libtpro.a
/home/kr/odacs_4.2/pal/lib/libbaset.a -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/lib -L/lib
-lXmu -lXm -lXft -lfontconfig -lexpat -lfreetype -lgz -lXrender -lXmuu
-lMrm -lXpm -lc -lXt -lSM -lICE -lXp -lXpm -lX11 -ldl -lXdmcp -lXau
-lXext -lXcursor -lresolv -lpthread -lm -lrt  -o messagebox
/usr/lib/libX11.a(CrGlCur.o): In function `open_library':
(.text+0x3b): warning: Using 'dlopen' in statically linked applications
requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for
linking
/usr/lib/libXm.a(Xmos.o): In function `XmeGetHomeDirName':
(.text+0x551): warning: Using 'getpwnam_r' in statically linked
applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc
version used for linking
/usr/lib/libXm.a(Xmos.o): In function `XmeGetHomeDirName':
(.text+0x5a2): warning: Using 'getpwuid_r' in statically linked
applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc
version used for linking
/usr/lib/libICE.a(icetrans.o): In function `_IceTransSocketOpen':
(.text+0xf6c): warning: Using 'getaddrinfo' in statically linked
applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc
version used for linking
/usr/lib/libX11.a(imLcIm.o): In function `_XimLocalOpenIM':
(.text+0x12f1): warning: memset used with constant zero length
parameter; this could be due to transposed parameters
/usr/lib/libICE.a(icetrans.o): In function `_IceTransGetPeerNetworkId':
(.text+0x4ae3): warning: Using 'gethostbyaddr' in statically linked
applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc
version used for linking
/usr/lib/libICE.a(icetrans.o): In function `_IceTransSocketUNIXConnect':
(.text+0x3a5c): warning: Using 'gethostbyname' in statically linked
applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc
version used for linking
/usr/lib/libICE.a(icetrans.o): In function `_IceTransSocketINETConnect':
(.text+0x401b): warning: Using 'getservbyname' in statically linked
applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc
version used for linking
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/utils/messagebox/bin'
Mon Sep  3 19:06:36 CDT 2007  Completed make

This is the output of running the messagebox program and then doing a
backtrace using gdb on the core file:

sylvester:/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/utils/messagebox # ./bin/messagebox
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
sylvester:/home/kr/odacs_4.2/app/utils/messagebox # gdb -c core
./bin/messagebox
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Re: [opensuse] VirtualBox

2007-09-03 Thread Rajko M.
On Monday 03 September 2007 20:40, Hans Linux wrote:
 You r right! I reinstalled virtualbox using its binary and having
 windows xp running as guest now. Great software, much better than vmware
 which is not stable and slow :P

 one thing remain is USB. According to Alexey opensuse guide, we have to
 uninstall virtualbox first,  recompile the kernel (which version not
 stated) and reinstall virtualbox. do i have to follow those step to
 enable my usb? I am kind of reluctant to do that. I have my kernel
 updated to 2.6.18.8-0.3-default already, having virtualbox running, and
 now i hv to reinstall everything?

The problem is kernel itself that has no USB support, so what you have to do 
is to configure kernel with USB support enabled, but than the kernel module 
vboxdrv has to be recompiled too. The current kernel is 2.6.18.8-0.5-default. 
You should update that and sources first. If you have problem to boot with 
default boot option, use new entry instead, and post that here. 

The rest should be explained, but right now I'm going to try this one:
  http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/
  home:/dirkmueller/openSUSE_10.2/i586/
  virtualbox-20070822-8.1.i586.rpm 
and
  virtualbox-kmp-default-20070822_2.6.18.2_34-8.1.i586.rpm 
Which so far works with small glitch, it doesn't list iso files and I had to 
paste and copy the name using another file manager. 


BTW,  
  VirtualBox-kmp-default-1.4.0_2.6.18.2_34-20.1.i586.rpm
has an error in post install script and the only way to get rid of it is 
  rpm -e --noscripts VirtualBox-kmp-default
but it can easily remove installed vboxdrv. 

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Re: [opensuse] OpenSuse 10.2

2007-09-03 Thread RTF

RTF wrote:
Greetings all.  I'm preparing to install OpenSuse 10.2 and have been 
browsing the web reading various installation instructions (just to 
make sure I don't go an overwrite my MBR or something else stupid) and 
came across the following...


Quote -
You will see now a summary of the Installation Settings, which comes 
in a Standard (default) and Expert (for power users) view.  I will 
suggest using an empty hard drive for this installation;  that means 
no other operating system on it, ok?  The partition process is 
automatic and it will erase all your data from the selected hard drive.

Unquote -

I have my hard drive split into two different partitions by Partition 
Magic.  Can I safely assume I may substitute selected partition for 
selected hard drive above?  I've never run into such a draconian 
warning with any other Linux distribution and I have installed several 
over the years, always with a dual boot arrangement with Windows.


Thanks in advance.

Rob
Well...I attempted to install once again tonight and was confronted with 
the following Installation Summary:


* Delete logical volume /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00 (68.8 gb)
*Delete logical volume /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 (1.9 gb)
*Remove volume group VolGroup00
*Delete partition /dev/sda2 (101.9 gb)
*Delete partition /dev/sda3 (70.8 gb
*Delete partition /dev/sda5(? hard to read on the screen) (70.8 gb)

Needless to say, I did not procede further with the installation.  :(

Rob
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Re: [opensuse] Statically linked openmotif applications core dump on startup

2007-09-03 Thread Cristian Rodriguez
K.R. Foley escribió:
 Hi,
 
 I am having problems with statically linked openmotif applications core
 dumping on opensuse 10.2. 

good luck, please just link them dynamically.

http://people.redhat.com/drepper/no_static_linking.html




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Re: [opensuse] Icon pack

2007-09-03 Thread BandiPat
On Monday 03 September 2007, Chris Arnold wrote:
 I hate to do this on this list butI have a icon set that i want
 to install/use. Where do i put the files/folders to use these new
 icons and where do i activate them? I want to try the glass-icons
 from
 http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Glass+Icons+Theme?content=
32146 I have put this in /opt/gnome/share/icons but dont know where to
 turn them on? There aren't any install/activate instructions with the
 files/folders. I would appreciate any help.

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If the location you mention is in fact the location of other themes, 
then there should be nothing to do but use them by selecting it from 
your gnome control center.

I haven't used Gnome as a window manager, so I can mostly only remark 
about the KDE locations.  Normally if you add a theme of icons to KDE, 
you just copy the icon directory into your ~/.kde/share/icons/ 
directory or you add them via the KDE control center where you choose 
the icon theme you want to use.  They are still stored in the same 
location though when you add them.

It's quite possible that the gnome control center will let you add them 
as well.  It is also quite possible that the new themes will be stored 
in your ~/.gnome or gtk2 directory.  On that, you'll have to check as I 
don't have gnome installed on my Zenwalk system.

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[opensuse] does any have not on asus m232 motherboard

2007-09-03 Thread russ brocklehurst

looking to set up a dual raid system on a ASUS M2N32  does any one have
issues on this mother board ?

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[opensuse] Re: VMware 64-bit

2007-09-03 Thread Philipp Thomas
On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:33:07 +0200, Anders Johansson wrote:

On AMD, I believe it is revision D or later,

Easier to remember: it must be a socket AM2 cpu.

Philipp
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Re: [opensuse] .emerald files

2007-09-03 Thread CyberOrg
On 9/4/07, Chris Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I use gnome and xgl/compiz with desktop effects active and working. Over
 at gnome-look, i have some themes i want to install and they are
 .emerald files. How do i install and use these themes?

If you are using compiz 0.5.4, install compiz-emerald from this repository:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/XGL

You start it with 'emerald --replace' and there is
emerald-theme-manager that allows you to install/select different
themes.

Cheers

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Re: [opensuse-packaging] %fdupes

2007-09-03 Thread Adrian Schröter
On Sunday 02 September 2007 18:00:21 wrote Marcus Rueckert:
 On 2007-09-02 16:22:58 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
  Am Friday 24 August 2007 schrieb Vladimir Nadvornik:
   On středa 16 květen 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:
It's pretty simple: BuildRequire fdupes and then use %fdupes
$RPM_BUILD_ROOT in your install section. This will check for
duplicated files and make them hardlink. Just be careful that these
duplicated files do not end up in different subpackages - I haven't
tried what rpm does in that case.
  
   There seems to be another problem. %fdupes can create hardlinks between
   files that would finally end on different partitions.
   See
   https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=304167
  
   Using something like
   %fdupes $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr
   %fdupes $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/srv
   ...
  
   fixes the problem.
  
   Do you think that the %fdupes macro should be changed to do this
   automatically?
 
  I think it would be logical to make this automatic.

 and it would be still broken. you can not assume that hardlinks between
 different directories will _always_ work. the only place where you can
 say it wont break anything are hardlinks in the same directory.
 anything else can be on a different partition. that said i think the
 best would be to patch fdupes and let it use hardlinks for any
 duplicates in the same directory, but symlinks for anything else.

That is right, but what happens acctually when you have different partitions ?

Does rpm fail to install the package or does it create a full copy of the file 
on the other partition ?

If it is the later, I think hardlinks are okay to use ..

bye
adrian


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Re: [opensuse-packaging] %fdupes

2007-09-03 Thread Petr Cerny
Vladimir Nadvornik wrote:
 On pondělí 03 září 2007, Adrian Schröter wrote:
 On Sunday 02 September 2007 18:00:21 wrote Marcus Rueckert:
 On 2007-09-02 16:22:58 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
 Am Friday 24 August 2007 schrieb Vladimir Nadvornik:
 On středa 16 květen 2007, Stephan Kulow wrote:
 Do you think that the %fdupes macro should be changed to do this
 automatically?
 I think it would be logical to make this automatic.
 and it would be still broken. you can not assume that hardlinks between
 different directories will _always_ work. the only place where you can
 say it wont break anything are hardlinks in the same directory.
 anything else can be on a different partition. that said i think the
 best would be to patch fdupes and let it use hardlinks for any
 duplicates in the same directory, but symlinks for anything else.
 
 IMHO the best approach is to identify hardlinks between directories with
 rpmlint and let the maintainer decide whether they are dangerous or not.

Or patch rpm to check whether hardlinks are not created across different
partitions/volumes?

Best regards
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Re: [opensuse-packaging] Re: Handling license symlinks

2007-09-03 Thread Juergen Weigert
On Aug 31, 07 15:04:30 +0200, Dirk Mueller wrote:
 On Friday, 31. August 2007, Philipp Thomas wrote:
 
  How about this (untestet):
 
 a) buildrequires licenses missing
 b) the %doc macro runs after postinstall scripts, so one still has to update 
 the %doc macro specs
 
 an easier fix would be to add a post-prep script hook that will just 
 replace COPYING in the source dir with a symlink, so that %doc just copies 
 the symlink into the package. 

I am currently undecided, weather the licenses package is a good idea at
all. I started the licenses package, to have a centralized directory, where
all licenses in a product can be found. 

Unfortunatly licenses package currently populates /usr/share/doc/licenses with 
all
licenses in the distribution, without revealing which licenses belong to
installed and available packages.

Unfortunatly, this licenses package is error prone. Not very probable, but
with possbile severe effects: if a package has a symlink for GPL, but
this link is dangling, we violate the GPL.

Does anybody know if the licenses package had a space 
saving effect on the media?

Any tears if we roll back to the state we had before?

cheers,
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Re: [opensuse-packaging] Re: Handling license symlinks

2007-09-03 Thread Richard Guenther
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Juergen Weigert wrote:

 On Aug 31, 07 15:04:30 +0200, Dirk Mueller wrote:
  On Friday, 31. August 2007, Philipp Thomas wrote:
  
   How about this (untestet):
  
  a) buildrequires licenses missing
  b) the %doc macro runs after postinstall scripts, so one still has to 
  update 
  the %doc macro specs
  
  an easier fix would be to add a post-prep script hook that will just 
  replace COPYING in the source dir with a symlink, so that %doc just 
  copies 
  the symlink into the package. 
 
 I am currently undecided, weather the licenses package is a good idea at
 all. I started the licenses package, to have a centralized directory, where
 all licenses in a product can be found. 
 
 Unfortunatly licenses package currently populates /usr/share/doc/licenses 
 with all
 licenses in the distribution, without revealing which licenses belong to
 installed and available packages.
 
 Unfortunatly, this licenses package is error prone. Not very probable, but
 with possbile severe effects: if a package has a symlink for GPL, but
 this link is dangling, we violate the GPL.
 
 Does anybody know if the licenses package had a space 
 saving effect on the media?
 
 Any tears if we roll back to the state we had before?

Well, I proposed to handle this problem with rpm provides / requires.
That is, licenses should provide license-$MD5 for all licenses it includes
and a package with the symlink should require this.  That way no
dangling symlink can happen unless you install with --nodeps.

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Re: [opensuse-packaging] Re: Handling license symlinks

2007-09-03 Thread Michael Schroeder
On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 01:05:56PM +0200, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
 Libzypp supports --nodeps as a fallback solution for installing RPMs.
 First, it, of course, tries to install an RPM in a normal way, then
 libzypp tries that with --nodeps automatically.

Huh, isn't that already fixed? libzypp must install all rpms
with '--force --nodeps' right from the start.

Cheers,
  Michael.

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Re: [opensuse-packaging] Re: Handling license symlinks

2007-09-03 Thread Dirk Mueller
On Monday, 3. September 2007, Juergen Weigert wrote:

 Does anybody know if the licenses package had a space
 saving effect on the media?

Well, the GPL roughly takes 3kb of space per rpm on the media. out of a 
default KDE installation, exactly 256 packages ship a copy of GPL, eating 
roughly 768kb of space on the media. 

the licenses packages is 432kb in size. So assuming that all those 256 
packages would be fixed (noone fixes them currently, not even all the yast2 
packages which contain COPYING twice are fixed even though I filed a 
bugreport a couple of months ago), we could save 336kb of space. 

thats not an awful lot, given that we have packages on the CD where we could 
save 5MB with a blink of an eye. 


Greetings,
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Re: [opensuse-packaging] Re: Handling license symlinks

2007-09-03 Thread Dirk Mueller
On Monday, 3. September 2007, Lukas Ocilka wrote:

 Libzypp supports --nodeps as a fallback solution for installing RPMs.
 First, it, of course, tries to install an RPM in a normal way, then
 libzypp tries that with --nodeps automatically.

Thats not a reason. we rely on package dependencies already for other 
licensing issues, and this would be no different. 

otherwise you could also say that if a user installs all his pacakges with all 
files but the COPYING file would also be a licensing violation. 



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Re: [opensuse-packaging] Re: Handling license symlinks

2007-09-03 Thread Richard Guenther
On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Dirk Mueller wrote:

 On Monday, 3. September 2007, Juergen Weigert wrote:
 
  Does anybody know if the licenses package had a space
  saving effect on the media?
 
 Well, the GPL roughly takes 3kb of space per rpm on the media. out of a 
 default KDE installation, exactly 256 packages ship a copy of GPL, eating 
 roughly 768kb of space on the media. 
 
 the licenses packages is 432kb in size. So assuming that all those 256 
 packages would be fixed (noone fixes them currently, not even all the yast2 
 packages which contain COPYING twice are fixed even though I filed a 
 bugreport a couple of months ago), we could save 336kb of space. 
 
 thats not an awful lot, given that we have packages on the CD where we could 
 save 5MB with a blink of an eye. 

Note that at the moment we ship a lot of packages without any license
in (one of) the RPM(s) at all.  Which is worse(?), so I don't see a
problem but a chance in the license package to fix this issue as well.

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Re: [opensuse-packaging] %fdupes

2007-09-03 Thread Michael Matz
Hi,

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Marcus Rueckert wrote:

  Does rpm fail to install the package or does it create a full copy of 
  the file on the other partition ?
  
  If it is the later, I think hardlinks are okay to use ..
 
 it fails horribly.
 taking into account the comment from bwalle about different meanings of
 files in different subdirectories, i think the only valid thing is that
 fdupes should only hardlink files in the same directory.

Fix rpm.  _That's_ the only valid thing.  If not possible for 10.3, make 
%fdupes a noop for now.


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Re: [opensuse-packaging] Please criticise my spec file.

2007-09-03 Thread Paul Elliott
On Sat, Sep 01, 2007 at 09:18:03PM -0400, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
 Paul Elliott escribió:
 
  %{?suse_update_config:BuildRequires:autoconf automake libtool}
  %{?suse_update_libdir:%{suse_update_libdir}}
  %{?suse_update_config:%{suse_update_config -f}}
 
 If you really need what those macros do, create a patch instead.
 


I added these because of the Packman guidelines for Biarch/AMD64.

http://wiki.links2linux.de/en/index.php/PackMan:PackagingConventions#Biarch.2FAMD64

 Biarch/AMD64 
 Various issues related to building on biarch/amd64 architecture: 
 must use %suse_update_config -f and %suse_update_libdir before configure 
 with every package - note that it might break the build of some packages, 
 so it must be tested (only remove it if it breaks), like this: 

  ...
  %{?suse_update_config:BuildRequires:autoconf automake libtool}
  ...
  %prep
  %setup -q .
  %{?suse_update_libdir:%{suse_update_libdir}}
  %{?suse_update_config:%{suse_update_config -f}}


Why did the packman people say this, why are they wrong, and what should
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Re: [opensuse-packaging] %fdupes

2007-09-03 Thread Cristian Rodriguez
Marcus Rueckert escribió:
 and he declined to fix
 that in rpm.

Sure, because RPM is not broken, what seems to be broken is the idea of
using this %fdupes thingy, as AFAICS it will cause more harm than good.



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Re: [opensuse-wiki] Wiki Site Layout Suggestion (http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org)

2007-09-03 Thread Frank Sundermeyer
On Thursday 30 August 2007 05:22, Christopher Cook wrote:

Hi,

 Just a suggestion, http://www.opensuse.org/ got a new layout, which
 looks a lot nicer than the old one, and the Get It link there looks
 very nice and professional, but shouldn't the wiki site get a new
 layout as well?

as Rajko already mentioned, the new wiki skin is currently in testing - 
see http://en.test.opensuse.org/.

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[opensuse-wiki] Status new wiki skin

2007-09-03 Thread Frank Sundermeyer
Hi,

a short note on the status of the new skin for the wiki:

- the new skin is currently tested on staging. Staging has some real 
  data from the wiki (half a year old), so we can test the skin in 
  almost real life. This has revealed some minor CSS/Template issues I 
  am currently fixing
  (Staging is our internal testing platform and not available from the
   outside)

- the use of the new rss feed extension on the home page (which fetches 
  the RSS data from news.opensuse.org) has revealed a serious issue with
  my template: the right navigation bar on the home page does not get 
  parsed by the wiki - so wiki syntax including extension stuff will not 
  work here. I have to admit that I haven't found a solution, yet (apart 
  from a dirty hack I do not really want to implement). Anybody out 
  there with in-depth knowledge of MediaWiki templating and wiki parsing 
  functions?

Planned steps:

Once the template issue has been resolved, we are almost ready to go 
online. The last step will be to provide ready to paste new home 
pages on en.test.opensuse.org. Once the new skin is on production, 
these new starting pages will have to be transferred via cut  paste to 
production. Details on this procedure will follow in time.

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Re: [opensuse-wiki] English only Home Page

2007-09-03 Thread jdd

Frank Sundermeyer wrote:


Agreed?


yes :-)
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[opensuse-wiki] news.openSUSE and leftbar listing

2007-09-03 Thread Michael Loeffler
Hi, 

at news.opensuse.org the leftbar lists categories above calendar. So on many 
screens the calendar section with the events is below the fold. 
I think exchanging the two would be useful for the mayority of visitors of 
news.opensuse.org. Yes, I think showing the calendar/events more prominent is 
more important as the categories. 

Are there more people out there sharing my opinion?

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