Re: [opensuse] disrtibution support
On Monday 09 April 2007 17:07, David Brodbeck wrote: With all seriousness, sometimes when you're setting up a new system, or recovering from some sort of disaster, vi is all you've got. So it's worthwhile to at least learn the basics. Yes ... ... and the main thing (seriously) to remember is that there really are only a very few *basics* to vi. Yes, whole text books have been written about the tool... but there really are only about six mode keystrokes (i a o d y p) that need to be memorized, and there are really only about two commands (x q) that must be memorized, and then there are the cursor movement keys ( h,j,k,l ) the search key (/) and the mode switch key (ESC) and that's all there is to it... sortof... Oh yeah, if you're a real man you'll also know how to do search and replace incorporating regular expressions 'n such... but that's another story... and not to scare anybody away. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] disrtibution support
On Monday 09 April 2007 22:14, Bob S wrote: Yes ... No Besides Vi there is also joe. (since about 10.0 I think) Well, uh, NO. ... heh heh... but before I make my point I do sincerely thank you for telling me about ( joe ) ... I am always willing to learn new stuff... and this little joe editor might do the trick for some of my ( shall I say ) modal brain-dead friends... I mean they are brain-dead in terms of being able to navigate a modal editor ( like vi ). ... but alas ( uff dah ) I digress... and my main point is that ( joe ) isn't universal enough for the unix playing field. VI is everywhere... Solaris, AIX, HP UX, name it... its there... every unix geek or unix-like geek wannabee *must* learn vi, period, end of story... I'm sorry you're just wrong about this... there... whew... I told you --so there. :-P -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] suse install problem
On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:15, G.T.Smith wrote: The CD boot is a BIOS related thing not a Linux Kernel related thing, unless the kernel can identify the correct driver it cannot communicate with it. Thanks everyone for your responses... yous guys are right sure enough... it was the driver (and a no-dma thing). In fact, the safe options pretty much got it... whew... I mean Ubuntu would have been ok for him... but I've been bragging up Suse for so long he was going to be disappointed to not get to see it... anyway, I am happily loading the old Dell... Thanks dudes! -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] How to read *.mht web archives in opensuse?
On Sunday 08 April 2007 20:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Google is our friend. ... Microsoft is our enemy. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] gzip and perl run at idle
On Sunday 08 April 2007 21:57, dwain wrote: I opened Ksysguard and noticed that gzip was running at about 85% and then perl ran. gzip went away and after that perl. Do I have a reason to feel paranoid about this strange activity? Probably not. ... the system does of lot of stuff that you'll learn about later... but fortunately about 100% of it is NOT malware... unlike windoze... -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [OT] Horchata
On Sunday 08 April 2007 23:43, Kai Ponte wrote: On an on-topic note, I noticed that if I type su password then type su password again, I'm unable to run GUI apps. That is because you forgot the ( - ) su - The hyphen gives the su all of the root environment and stuff... what I call real root... this includes the path to your gui apps. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [OT] Horchata
On Sunday 08 April 2007 23:00, M Harris wrote: The hyphen gives the su all of the root environment and stuff... what I call real root... this includes the path to your gui apps. Try this experiment from your CLI... su echo $PATH exit su - === don't forget the hyphen echo $PATH Now, compare the two path outputs.. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] disrtibution support
On Monday 09 April 2007 00:26, dwain wrote: How do I get to the man pages again? Actually, they are mostly obsolete... ... you want to load and use info these days But if you insist, you can run man man You want to know how to use vi... type man vi (or) info vi -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] suse install problem
hi folks, I am trying to install opensuse 10.0 on a friends old Dell Inspiron 3200 : Hardware checks out, machine was running W98 I have disabled most of the features like serial, infrared, floppy, etc. The machine boots from the CD-1 fine and I select bootup options 1024x768, acpi off, and press go... the system starts and find all the hardware (including the cdrom) ... usb... pci... and then goes searching for the info file.. and does not find it... asks for CD-1. So, the machine can boot from CD, but can not find the info file on the same CD?Can someone tell me what bootup option I need to get past this one? Thanks much! -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] suse install problem
On Saturday 07 April 2007 13:14, M Harris wrote: So, the machine can boot from CD, but can not find the info file on the same CD? Can someone tell me what bootup option I need to get past this one? Update: Ubuntu loads no problem... But, I want Suse 10 on this machine, not Ubuntu... Why is it that the machine can boot from CDROM, but the system does not recognize the CD-1 as CD-1 to find the info file... is this a cdrom speed thing... or a disk image problem... by the way, this disk works fine in my other machines... does not look damaged. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] suse install problem
On Saturday 07 April 2007 15:13, ka1ifq wrote: Are the disks from the boxed set or from a download? Have the disks been used on any other computer with success? If it was a download, what speed did you burn the disk at? Problems have been reported when the disks are burned at a high speed, I burn mine at 4x, same with the DVD version. Thanks. The disks are from a boxed set... and they have been used to load (reload) several times on other machines... tried them on another machine works fine... but they are not working in the dell inspiron 3200... boots fine... loads the kernel etc... cannot find the info file. rats. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] suse install problem
On Saturday 07 April 2007 14:23, M Harris wrote: Problems have been reported when the disks are burned at a high speed, I burn mine at 4x, same with the DVD version. Its a CD not DVD... If I copy the CD on another machine and burn a copy (slow speed)... will work? seems silly.. but I'm willing to try it. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] It shreds VISTA's protected process and strips off all the protection. [Way OT]
On Saturday 07 April 2007 23:43, Horst G. Burkhardt III wrote: Apart from this email being largely nonsensical, not sure this board is the place for it. Um, yeah... but I think Fred intended it for the off topic list and did a minor finger check... no big deal Vista is going to get kicked... that's for sure. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse]] Win vs Lin info - First Vista experience
On Thursday 05 April 2007 03:13, John Andersen wrote: On the other side, I configured a Core 2 Duo Dell 9200 2 gig ram for a friend. You are the first one to actually say you are using *2 gig ram* and that is important... if you are using less than 2 gig you are going to look at significant bootup times... and poor run times... period. Yes, M$ lied... what did you expect?
Re: [opensuse] best file distribution technology for my case?
On Friday 06 April 2007 13:35, Carlos E. R. wrote: Indeed, the virus that SuSE distributes is the one I have installed in my system, alive and running - it is called opensuse linux! ... preach it bubba... ! -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse]
On Friday 06 April 2007 13:54, Tim Donnelly wrote: Somehow my disc one of my OpenSuse 10.1 x86 set has gotten messed up. I can't seem to find where old versions are available on the opensuse.org site. Can someone provide me a link? I think this just became the funniest post so far for the month of April... ... openSUSE 10.1 *WAS* messed up for everyone... except those of us smart enough not to load it... shsh... so, uh, why would you want to reload it from a know good, uh I mean messed up, disk? :-) -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse]
On Friday 06 April 2007 14:43, Anders Johansson wrote: so, I'm still waiting. For what? ... for a release of openSUSE that will more stable and bug-free than it currently is! I know... SLES and SLED are for that... and openSUSE is *supposed* to be bleeding edge... but common... yous guys got to know that there is a difference between bleeding edge and beta... as in bleed to death... but uff-da... I digress Actually, yous guys are doing a pretty good job... all in all... except for that little Novell thingy... :-P -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] witch one better
On Thursday 05 April 2007 16:45, bill biggs wrote: witch one is better kde or gnome ? witch --- black cat, pointy hat, warty nose, curled toes, and straw broom frequent flyer miles which -- for use sometimes within a interrogative Usually trolls ask this question in order to get a good flame war started--- because its easy, requires little if any lighter fluid, and can be ignited with a wet stick But since you asked, ---KDE is better [ end of story ]. And it didn't used to be this way... it used to be a matter of personal preference and religion and the like... but the simple truth is that gnome has fallen seriously behind... it just doesn't even begin to provide the flexibility that I need (and get) from KDE. I disagree with the post opinion of try both and choose... I'll try to save you the bother... start with KDE, stay with KDE, and learn KDE. And, by the way, the openSUSE version of KDE is 'bout as good as it gets. Its the truth man... -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] GPLv3 Stallman Speech and related files
Sorry, posted this to off-topic by mistake... and this is very much on-topic for all opensuse fans... particularly as it pertains to the M$-Novell deal... http://fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3/brussels-rms-transcript RMS spoke on GPLv3 at Brussels this past weekend... the link provides the transcript of the talk as well as audio and an interview with Sean Daly from Groklaw. The link also provides a v2 and v3 comparison chart [ very nicely color coded ] and the full GPLv3 third comment draft document. Happy Reading
Re: [opensuse] Communicating with Vista
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 10:30, John Pierce wrote: The best way to communicate with vista, DON'T.
Re: [opensuse]] Win vs Lin info
On Monday 02 April 2007 21:05, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote: Long ago about 2000 years we were warned we could not serve both GOD and Bill Gates. Preach it, bubba ... Amen -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] copy problem
On Sunday 01 April 2007 01:47, dwain wrote: cp: cannot stat: 'sRGBIEC61966-2-1_noBPC.icc: No such file or directory. Something is broke... ... the file system may have a problem. File shows there, but isn't really??? Which filesystem are you using... ext2, ext3, reiserfs, ?? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] copy problem
On Sunday 01 April 2007 01:47, dwain wrote: wait a minute ... does the file name start with a ' or was that a typo? cp: cannot stat: 'sRGBIEC61966-2-1_noBPC.icc: No such file or directory ^^^ -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] copy problem
On Sunday 01 April 2007 01:07, M Harris wrote: cp: cannot stat: 'sRGBIEC61966-2-1_noBPC.icc: No such file or directory This is what you have to do cp \'sRGBIEC61966-2-1_noBPC.icc /home/whatever/the/target/is/ The single quote is messing with the cp command... backslash it and everything will be fine... by the way... you might want to rename the file ! -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] copy problem
On Sunday 01 April 2007 01:13, M Harris wrote: you might want to rename the file ! To rename the file use: mv \'sRGBIEC61966-2-1_noBPC.icc sRGBIEC61966-2-1_noBPC.icc That will get rid of the single quote in the name. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] copy problem
On Sunday 01 April 2007 02:13, you wrote: The file name does not start with a '. That's how the console labeled it when it wrote the error message. I'm sorry, but we're back to the first question... ... please post the output from the following command once you are in the profiles directory: ls -al It will look something like this: drwxr-xr-x 2 mark users 192 2006-10-01 00:35 . drwxr-xr-x 34 mark users 1808 2007-04-01 01:17 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 mark users 1703 2006-10-01 00:27 bclib -rw-r--r-- 1 mark users 254 2006-10-01 00:27 bctests But I want to know what YOUR ls -al looks like... please. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] copy problem [SOLVED]
On Sunday 01 April 2007 02:47, you wrote: sRGB_IEC61966-2-1_noBPC.icc The system did know what it was talking about. %) I just saw why the file didn't exist. I must be blind, illiterate and stupid. Nope... you're just tired and working in the middle of the night get to bed and get some sleep dude (Hangs his head in humiliation and mutters) I Hate Computers. Yeah, well, like they say... can't live with em... and can't live without em. Rats. night -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Django
Which of you is using Django on openSUSE? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Django
On Saturday 31 March 2007 15:46, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: FYI: djangop is available for openSUSE in the buildservice zypper -v sa http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/devel:/languages:/python/ope nSUSE_10.2 zypper install python-django Yeah, you read my mind... ... and I am wanting to know whether it is preferred to install from the buildservice... vs installing from the djangoproject home page via tar-ball. Also, I have heard some rumors grumbling about an alledged incompatibility with Django and the mail server(s). Familiar with any issues along these lines?? Thanks -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] copy problem
On Saturday 31 March 2007 19:04, dwain wrote: Question, if a file type is unknown can it be copied, moved or whatever? There is no such thing as a file type on Linux... ... file types designated by .xxx three character suffixes belong in the land of M$ and have nothing to do with the problem here... Please post the results of this command: ls -al *.icc Thanks -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] copy problem
On Saturday 31 March 2007 19:04, dwain wrote: I have done it both ways you have recommended and it still tells me the file or directory does not exist. That's because the file or directory does not exist... I promise. ... also, something else you may want to look at (as posted above) if the spaces are real in the directory name you may need to backslash the directory name... for instance... mkdir my\ dir ... will make a directory in my home called my dir If I try to list the directory like this::: ls -al my dir it will fail with file or directory not found... however; try this:: ls -al my\ dir and whalla... finds it every time... -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] copy problem
On Saturday 31 March 2007 23:57, M Harris wrote: if the spaces are real in the directory name you may need to backslash the directory name... /home/my directory/file directory/file.icc/ The above is wrong... try this syntax: /home/my\ directory/file\ directory/file.icc see? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] copy problem
On Sunday 01 April 2007 01:14, dwain wrote: I just did the ls -al profiles thing and it found two files in the directory. One of them being the .icc file. Ok... this is good... the file is really there and the machine can state it... now, try this: 1) cd into the profiles directory cd /home/profiles/ 2) don't use the -t switch cp .icc /the/target/directory/whatever/that/is/ let me know what happens. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Linus loves GPL v2 ---- and is not on a crusade
that the proponents of Free or Open software are *not* adversaries... and as a proponent of Free Software I do not (and will not) see open source proponents as the enemy; however, I will strive fervently to exchange a meaningful dialogue with all interested parties to advance the idea (education) that freedom is most important, and to focus all eyes and attention on the enemy--- namely proprietary software. Thanks again for discussing this with me... I appreciate the opportunity and I respect your input. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Linus loves GPL v2 ---- and is not on a crusade
On Thursday 22 March 2007 07:25, Peter Van Lone wrote: M. Harrish, I respect many of the things you say and your participation on the list -- snip but I believe that your approach to this issue is wrong and more harmful to OSS than otherwise. I respect your opinion Peter. ... and sorry Pat, this thread is on-topic, ... it is essential to differentiate two important camps within the F/OSS community. There are those who champion open source software. There are also those who champion free (as in freedom) software... like myself, and like the FSF. The two are related, but the two are vastly different in terms of motivation and affiliation. The M$-Novell deal might be good in the short term for OSS, and maybe even for Novell... but the M$-Novell deal is detrimental to free (as in freedom) software. I could care less about interoperability--- doesn't affect me. The question is not whether a piece of software is open source or not... the question is also not whether some IT manager has to hassle with Linux being able to work seamlessly with the knot-headed M$ product line... the real question is whether software is free, and whether software users have freedom--- freedom of choice and freedom useage. M$ has strategically targeted freedom, and she is going to leverage Novell against that agenda. This is not just about embrace, extend, extinguish sad to say. This issue goes way beyond that this time around... the goal is to destroy freedom... this is something against which the FSF has devoted many hard long hours to fight and is still faithful to fight for. This is not religious zeal... its about choice and propriety--- freedom of expression, and freedom of extention, and freedom of innovation. Linus may not be on a crusade... but the FSF is. Novell isn't on a crusade either... they're just dressed out to make a buck like everyone else. The FSF is on a crusade--- and the crusaders are not fighting windmills. OSS will not be hurt in the slightest at this point. OSS has finally hit critical mass--- there is no stopping that now. However, freedom is still very much hanging in the balance. The GPLv3 is not perfect, but it is closing in on the real issues, and it *is* going to make a difference. Computer systems should be free tools... not owned/controlled by Ballmer Gates. Unfortunately for Novell most of the Linux community have viewed the sleeping arrangements between Novell and M$ as detrimental to freedom and as harmful to the free software movement. Fortunately for the community it doesn't really matter... because we are never again going to be left without a free software choice. In the final analysis the dudes left standing at half past noon when the dust clears at the OK corral are going to be the dudes that supported freedom. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SuSE 10.1 forgets Lexmark USB printer on reboot
On Thursday 22 March 2007 16:39, Mr Banana wrote: When I install the printer and test it everything seems OK but after rebooting it stops working. Sending the job to print gives no error, the print queue stays empty and nothing gets printed. If I go into Yast, delete then add the printer it starts working again, untill the next reboot. Sounds like the CUPS server is not starting at bootup... or, the printer (queue) is not starting at bootup. Start Suse - Utilities - Printing - Printing Manager Enter Administrator mode. don't delete and reinstall printer, instead: 1) Restart the server click print server and then restart 2) Restart the printer right click the printer and then click start printer note: if the red X is there, click it to stop the printer then click the green check to start the printer NOTE: I experienced the problem you are describing one time with my laserjet4L until I added the printer logged in as root, from the bomb screen. For some reason adding the printer with admin privileges did not take... don't know why. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Linus loves GPL v2 ---- and is not on a crusade
On Thursday 22 March 2007 22:33, John Summerfield wrote: I could do that too, but I prefer to discuss the matter. Then discuss it... what is your view?... or did you just want to belly up to the name calling bar...? Fanatical ranting with never persuade anyone yeah, right... tell that to the guy who said, Give me liberty, or give me death!---Patrick Henry (or), He who gives up essential liberty to gain a temporary safety deserves neither liberty nor safety.---Ben Franklin ... when they resort to name calling you've won the argument ... Did you have an opinion on the thread topic? I should add to the previous discussion a disclaimer which may appease the flame-throwers (possibly) and that is the point that RMS makes from time to time--- that although the goals and values of open source vs free software are quite different... by and large the end results seem to be compatible to a certain degree... at least they both lead to the production of good software. The point being that as a free software champion I do not look at open source proponents as the enemy... the enemy is proprietary software. But when open source proponents capitulate to the enemy, then at least a rant is warranted. (creates discussion and makes people think) -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Modem setup problem.
On Wednesday 21 March 2007 04:47, Tommy Lim KW wrote: It looks like modem is not listed in the list. So how? What does this mean then? I am going to guess that your RJ11 (phone) is connected to this: 08:09.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd Unknown device 0843 (rev 01) (could be wrong, of course) I would expect your unknown win-modem to appear as a communications controller of some type in lspci; however, maybe not. The bottom line is that you are going to need to purchase a modem (if you really need one). Many good PCMCIA modems exist (that is what I purchased for my ThinkPad) and/or you might also consider an external USB modem. Both are supported well in Opensuse. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] NFS client via null modem cable
On Wednesday 21 March 2007 10:00, Constant Brouerius van Nidek wrote: my DOS computer very funny -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Perspectives on Free and Open Source Software
On Wednesday 21 March 2007 09:43, Jerry Feldman wrote: MIT has been very good to our user community and has allowed the Boston Linux and Unix user group to hold meetings and installfests. I'm jealous. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Create another root user
On Wednesday 21 March 2007 14:34, Flextron wrote: That was the first think I though...but that would mean change all commands of batch jobs. No it wouldn't. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Linus loves GPL v2 ---- and is not on a crusade
that the community was willing by virtue of their own time, money, energy, and personal resource to overcome. M$ pushed us all over the edge... so get off the tracks cause the freight train is coming I think the real tragedy, should it occur, is for the GPL 3 to compel a split in linux ... or to effectively kill Suse linux. It think that would be horrid, and a mistake, and ... would do great great harm to F/OSS in the long run. OpenSUSE may die... unfortunately... look at Slashdot tonight (read the comments from those who are responding to Perens at the BrainFart conference--- Novell is taking it in the shorts folks). Novell may have blown it here... and it may haunt them. Regardless--- the cat is out-of-the-bag and there is going to be no catching it either. Novell needs to smarten up... sad I am hoping that cooler heads prevail. I am hoping that Novell figures out how to approach the FSF folks to begin a dialogue, and that the parties find a way to agree where they can and continue on, disagreeing where they must. Oh there's going to be a dialog all right... GPLv3. I am hoping that there are strong voices from amongst the Suse community that will reach out and counsel and encourage sane and reasonable behaviour. I am hoping we can end the crusade, and begin the rennaisance. Revolutions are never safe or reasonable... that's why folks resist drastic shifts in paradigm at almost all costs--- while evils are tolerable. When the evil of oppression grows to life suffocating proportions then reasonable folks are often inspired to stand up with one voice and sometimes right along the very edge of sanity--- to row against the current, to face the giants, to stand against tyranny at all levels. In the days of old tyranny raised its head with human state and crown... today tyranny reigns from corporate board rooms... some of which are corporate parasites that voraciously feed upon the greed and lusts of the others... all of them eaten alive in the process. M$ represents the quintessential corporate parasite... an evil giant that must be brought down... hard... now. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] I see a crack in the walls!
On Thursday 22 March 2007 00:07, John Summerfield wrote: Personably, I'm rather partial to Thinkpads;-) IBM has supported Linux on some Thinkpads for years, I have no love lost on IBM... but I have to agree with John that the ThinkPad is the way to go... if you have the money... they are pricy... but they are Linux friendly, and they are built to last--- I am on year six with my R30. I've replaced the battery twice, and I've (personally) replaced the CCFL lamp in the display once (it lasted five years... about average really). I have had every RH version from 5.2 to 7.3 installed on it... and I have had Suse 9.0, 9.2, 9.3, and now 10.0 installed on it. I also have the tiny joy-stick-thing on my R30 and I love it... far superior to the touch pad mouser. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Help Killling Process
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 12:37, Randall R Schulz wrote: kill -9 PID Absolutely a bad idea. Many programs have clean-up operations to perform. This guarantees those clean-up actions will not take place. Signal TERM or 15 is the clean way to kill a process. Only resort to KILL or 9 when TERM does not cause the process to terminate. Yup, except that what we are talking about here is a process that won't die... kill -9 PID is the ONLY way to get it to happen. Another way to say this is that if SIGTERM will kill the process then you probably didn't need to be in an xterm window running the kill command in the first place. The usual reason for a process to refuse to die is that it is no longer correctly performing signal handling, so giving it the SIGTERM is useless. kill -9 PID is the only way to go in these situations. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Help Killling Process
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 14:36, you wrote: Clicking in the close box of a window does not send SIGTERM, it uses the X event mechanism to inform the process that owns the window of the user's action. Yup, except that is not what we're talking about here... we don't have a window with an X on it... we have a message saying that Firefox still has a process running... and the process is either 1) not really running, or 2) has stopped signal handling. These kind of processes will not respond to a SIGTERM ever waste of time. kill -9 PID is the only way to go in these situations. It is never advisable to SIGKILL without first trying SIGTERM unless you explicitly mean to thwart the program's clean-up activities. Well, semantics aside I suppose it can't hurt anything... but in practical experience I've never ever ever seen it work either... (for this situation). But now that we've been talking about it for a few minutes I suppose there is the danger that someone would read all this crap and start using kill -9 PID as the generic rule... and then our consciences would cause lost sleep and such... not a good thing... ok, ok, SIGTERM everything! (no, I refuse to give in...) ~SIGKILL -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Create another root user
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 15:11, Flextron wrote: I need to create a new user so the batch process can be easily recognised, Does anybody know how to create a user that has ALL rights to execute ALL commands ? (using PAM...?) Create any user you want to... add them to the wheel group, and run the batch jobs from a crontab (su - thatuser). The wheel group is a unix legacy thing... it allows users in the wheel group to have access to root ( su sudo ) in a more controlled way. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Create another root user
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 15:50, Dave Crouse wrote: In general I would STRONGLY suggest that you do NOT do this Strong words... good words... ... if you are tempted to do it... read them again... -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Perspectives on Free and Open Source Software
(see Slashdot today...) http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2tid=11216mode=toc The book (linked above) from MIT Perspectives on Free and Open Source Software is an interesting read and also a free (as in price) download. Sample chapters can be read before you decide to download. Cheers -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: [opensuse-offtopic] How 'bout them Packers?
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 15:11, M Harris wrote: I resemble that... ... or like this...:) -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] John Backus Dead at 82
John Backus died today. He is the programmer in the 1950's who pioneered high level programming languages by inventing the Fortran language for the IBM 701. He was 82. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Kmail memory
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 17:12, Doug McGarrett wrote: Kmail has memorized some addresses that I typed in in error, and even manufactured a couple, AFAICT. Is there a list of these somewhere that I can edit, and if so, where? (I don't have an address book, altho I should, and some day I'll figure out how to make one.) You'll need to poke around in ~/.kde/share/apps/kmail/ -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Kmail memory
On Tuesday 20 March 2007 17:29, Brad Bourn wrote: In Kmail... Settings-Configure Kmail-Composer-General-Edit Recent Adresses no fair... ... where does it hide them (ya gotta put both up there if you're gonna use the gooey) -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] ALC850 problems in 10.2
On Friday 16 March 2007 02:29, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: You are being bitten by the decision of Novell to install *only* open code drivers... and unfortunately the Realtek stuff is not... realtek provides opensource drivers for their cards and that particular one is supported by ALSA perfectly. Oh, I know. ... my driver is an open driver and supported perfectly... only Novell doesn't ship the driver with the system... for some kind of legal reason... :-| -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Friday 16 March 2007 12:05, John Andersen wrote: For a a linux box used as router, or a samba server, you would be highly unlikely to ever have to update anything for the life of the hardware. Correct. ... and this assumes of course that there does not exist some buffer overrun vulnerability (maybe undiscovered as yet) that will be uncovered some time in the future. On the other hand... an older kernel with an overrun vulnerability will be less likely to be attacked over time as that kernel level becomes used less... the bottom line is pretty much the same... for a given set of hardware a given linux firewall server can run for years and years without upgrade and be mostly safe. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Windows version of vi deprecated
On Saturday 17 March 2007 11:05, Per Qvindesland wrote: This one is a classic http://blogs.sun.com/marigan/entry/how_the_vi_editor_would Thank you thank you thank you:-) That is quite possibly the funniest post I've seen this month... thanks so much --- anybody that makes me laugh out loud till it hurts deserves high praise... thanks again! -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Double Linked List patented in 2006
Double Linked List Patented in 2006 see Slashdot today, http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7028023.html Well, well. If this doesn't prove that the United States Patent Office (not to mention the clucks at Cochran Freund Young LLP) are absolutely and completely incompetent with regard to issuing software patents. Software Patents *must* Die Just to keep things on-topic, Cochran Freund Young LLP are going to be coming after Suse Novell for extensively using doubly linked lists in most of their open sofware... sorry guys, you won't be able to hide under the M$ deal. ;-P *strictly tongue in cheek* -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] XFree86 vs Xorg
Ok, Suse fans, I just received a revelation from the XFree86.org mailing list which turned away an XFree (Ubuntu user) because he is using Xorg. Well, my Suse 10.0 uses Xorg as well... so, at least in XFree86 land, Xorg is no longer considered XFree86?? Is Xorg an XFree fork of sorts---? Is XFree86 irrelevant now? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] XFree86 vs Xorg
On Monday 19 March 2007 14:44, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Old news, dude. (Febuary, 2004?) SuSE switched way back with 9.2 Is Xorg an XFree fork of sorts---? Yes, it was a big noisy affair. http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/forum/2003-March/000268.html Thanks... 204... that explains it... I was busy getting a degree and the only thing I cared about computers at that time was whether my papers would print. :-))) Here I thought XFree was just evolving away... and come to find out it sprouted wings and flew away... very nice. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] XFree86 vs Xorg
On Monday 19 March 2007 15:03, Anders Johansson wrote: I don't think any distro still uses XFree86 (but I haven't actively looked, so I could be wrong) So, what's the deal with XFree86? I mean, why even have a mailing list? Thanks for catching me up. :-} -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Double Linked List patented in 2006
On Monday 19 March 2007 16:00, Tom Horsley wrote: For example, does it occur in standard textboooks on computer programming and data structures? Is there long-standing open source software in which it may be found? Well, it is essentially the way all relational databases work, so they should clearly sue Oracle for a million billion zillion dollars. The patent is actually a description of what IBM's e-Series relational database does with logical files (and the AS400 before that, and previous to that the System 38). The system's files are stored as physical and logical files... physical files comprising data and an access path... and logical files comprised of *only* an access path. So they should be able to sue IBM for a million billion zillion dollars as well... *again, totally tongue in check... ok and ROTFLOL.* :- The really silly thing here is that *anyone* even remotely connected with the computer science field would see this *patent* application not only as previous art... but also very obvious... and my main point is that how in the world can the United States Patent Office be relied upon to judge *any* software patent application? There are just some things that mediocrity should not attempt even after passing a civil servant examination... period. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Anyone with working WinTV PVR350?
On Monday 19 March 2007 21:35, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: TV watching on my computer is not high on my list of priorities. If I want to burn a few DVD's of my stuff I can hook up the DVD Burner and a couple cables a LOT easier than I can do it with the computer. At our home the antenae has been down for 25 years... the cable has been unplugged for 10. (we don't watch TV period, let alone on the computer) sigh -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Compiling kernel.
On Monday 19 March 2007 17:16, Mike Diehl wrote: So what is the prescribed method of upgrading the kernel under SLES9? Where did you place the new kernel image? Post an ls -al of /boot Post an ls -al of /boot/grub Post a cat of /boot/grub/menu.lst -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Modem setup problem.
On Monday 19 March 2007 23:20, Tommy Lim wrote: I just installed Opensuse 10.2 on my Compaq presario V3040TU. Everything running just fine. But my modem doesn't show up in the hardware list. What happen actually? It could be a win-modem. The modem is a win-modem... which means that part of the hardware is emulated as software (driver) and not provided in Opensuse. There may be a third party driver available for it... but probably not. You may need to use a USB modem. Which modem is supposed to be there? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Modem setup problem.
On Monday 19 March 2007 23:41, Tommy Lim wrote: Is a dail-up modem. That is funny... thanks for the humor. ... ok, it looks like your dial-up modem is on-board high-speed 56K win-modem... the unit probably uses the AMD chipset... not much help. The win-modem in my IBM ThinkPad does not work either... and I don't care... because the broad band wireless works great... I use my ThinkPad from the university and from coffee shops, the public library, etc... connected from home etc. If you ~really need to dial-out on that machine then you will probably want to look into purchasing a USB modem. Have you been able to get the wireless working? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Thursday 15 March 2007 11:21, Randall R Schulz wrote: It does do user-level preemptive multitasking but not kernel level. Perhaps you're drawing some real distinction here, but I'm not sure what it is. The distinction (which I am now re-researching) is that there is a difference between preemptable and interruptable. Interrupt driven is not precisely the same thing as preemptive from a scheduler standpoint--- dispatching based on interrupts vs dispatching based on master scheduling and time-slice. Windoze (at least in my experience) does not seem to faithfully schedule kernel processes according to true preemptive scheduling... seems like the kernel gets preferential treatment and often the entire system resource is hogged by the kernel at the expense of user space. I have to go back now and restudy this... but I am thinking that Kai is correct... NT didn't have it right. and it sure didn't match up with OS/2 or the 2.0.36 kernel (linux at the time). -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Thursday 15 March 2007 16:15, Hartmut Meyer wrote: Are you saying that only kernel security issues are relevant? The next security advisory (from today) was about PHP ... I'm afraid I just don't get what your talking about :-( You are talking past each other... ... you are talking now about keeping apps in user space up-to-date (worthwhile endeavor) and he is talking about your original FUD that running a back-level version (linux kernel) was risky. That not only is FUD, its ridiculous. You can run Suse 9.3 all day long every day for the next ten years without a single problem... and that is not to say that you will not need to update Firefox. Firefox may have vulnerabilities that a sensible user will patch--- and that have absolutely nothing to do with your first claim about back-level Suse versions. You get it? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] ALC850 problems in 10.2
On Thursday 15 March 2007 04:24, Anders Norrbring wrote: Anyone who's managed to get any sound from a Realtek ALC850 chip in 10.2? I just tried to install on a MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum and the sound is detected as nVidia nForce3.. The mobo carry the nForce chipset, but the audio part is served by the Realtek chip... You are being bitten by the decision of Novell to install *only* open code drivers... and unfortunately the Realtek stuff is not... so, you'll need to get the drivers from Realtek. I am still running 10.0 (not as brave as you my friend) and my latest machines (HP slimlines) also require the Realtek drivers. I was able to download the drivers from Realtek, install in ALSA, and get the sound to work... took me a couple of days to work things out... I'm slower than some. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Thursday 15 March 2007 16:42, Anders Johansson wrote: What you're saying is that you can run old versions of suse, as long as you keep the applications updated manually? Well, of course you can. It's just a lot more work No, what I am saying is that running a back-level linux kernel is not a problem. As far as updating user apps goes... that depends on the app. My Firefox updates automatically... and aside from the slightly annoying message telling me the update is available its pretty painless... it has always worked, and it has been completely automatic... wish I could say the same thing for the Suse updater... :-( No, the original thought was ridiculous--- running a back-level version of the linux kernel is not a problem... and as for that matter... running a patched version of apps (back-level as they may be) is not a problem either... in fact... some might argue that updating apps and kernels is how vulnerabilities are introduced into systems in the first place. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Thursday 15 March 2007 18:53, Doug McGarrett wrote: One of the other things that bothers me is the continual changes to or elimination of things that work, in favor of cutting-edge stuff that doesn't actually work. Are you running SLED or Opensuse? ... makes a difference ... sounds like you would benefit from running SLED--- definitely. Opensuse is for those of us who don't really need the max support and are willing to play with the system a bit in order to have some of the bleeding edge revisions. There is another alternative... and that is somewhere in the middle... use an opensuse version (based on history) that is for the most part as stable as you need it to be and wait... eventually there will be another better opensuse, or ubuntu, or you'll opt for the next stable release of SLED. Frankly Suse 9.3 Professional has been the best out-of-box distro so far from Novell. Actually, I have had really only minor annoyances from Suse 10.0. Yeah, my kmail speaks Chinese too sometimes... but the distro for the most part has been mostly fantastic... SLED isn't bleeding edge and is mostly as stable as the Rock of Gibralter... it doesn't bleed and it won't have the latest revisions... but it will work for ya. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Thursday 15 March 2007 17:07, Anders Johansson wrote: in fact... some might argue that updating apps and kernels is how vulnerabilities are introduced into systems in the first place. Really? Who? We all rest our case...;-P -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Thursday 15 March 2007 17:13, James Knott wrote: Windows has never been able to multi-task as well as OS/2 or Linux. And this is why... ... notes from NT tutorial ... -- start The major role of the kernel in Windows NT is to dispatch and schedule threads. A thread is a code segment belonging to a particular process. Each thread is assigned a priority number from 0 to 31. The kernel dispatches threads to run on available processors based on their priority numbers. The kernel then allows the threads to execute for a particular amount of time before preempting them and allowing another process to run. NOTE: Sometimes you see it written that the kernel schedules processes. While this is **not technically correct**, it is commonly stated this way for ease of explanation. The kernel **does not actually schedule processes**, it only schedules threads in the context of a process. For more on the distinction between processes and threads, see the section Process Manager, later in this chapter. It is this procedure that makes preemptive multitasking ?possible?. Because it is the kernel that schedules the execution of all code on the system, it [the kernel] **cannot be preempted**. It also cannot be paged to disk for any reason. -- end So, WinNT did not truly implement preemption... and the WinNT kernel was never preemptable. For information on when the linux kernel received its preemptive code patch follow this link: http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4185744181.html -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] What I Want
On Thursday 15 March 2007 20:12, Stevens wrote: What I want is a system that has a web browser that can display the streaming videos included on many websites, including the different news services like Reuters, ABC, CNN, etc at Yahoo.com It is really just burning me up that the *two* (2) count them (!) things that keep Opensuse from taking the world by storm is an open flash player and an open mp3 player. (astounding) Its time to fix this folks... hamstrung by patent lawyers... ok, I'm inspired to tell a joke... Do ya know what the difference is between a patent lawyer and a channel cat? Give up? Well, one is a low life back-water scum sucking bottom dweller ... and the other one is a fish. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Off Topic List ?
Is there an off topic list officially? I went out to the openSUSE site and looked through the mailing lists... but don't find it... if it exists. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 16:56, Doug McGarrett wrote: If Linux is ever to have a significant proportion of the market, it must be at least as big as the Mac market to survive, and it _must be user-friendly_ or it will be as dead as CPM and DOS. Hog wash ... ... MAC gave up being MAC and became MAC OSX (built on FreeBSD) because [in part] Linux market share (on the desktop) had exceeded MAC. MAC shifted to a unix-like format. The point is that MAC is a unix-like OS just as Linux is ... and they are both gaining significant market share threatening M$. Comparing a full multiuser true preemptive multitasking OS (like the Linux or FreeBSD Kernel) to CPM or DOS is like comparing a Ferrari to soap-box racer. Give me a break. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 18:03, Randall R Schulz wrote: CPM and DOS were never used to run large e-commerce and other Internet services. There was nothing compelling enough about them to keep them going and they had too many deficits to continue in the face of rapidly advancing technology and requirements. That is not true of Linux and will not be true for the foreseeable future. Well, actually, Windows 3.1 kept DOS very much alive for several years and long enough to be used in plenty of e-commerce applications... (I was there) of course before they were called e-commerce... :-))) In fact, DOS was still very much evident in Windows 95, 98, and even... yes even W2000. Linux will not die for the simple reason that it is absolutely essential to the likes of Google, Amazon and many, many others. Correct... and because (if you will) the genie (or cat, as you like) is out of the bag for the desk market as well... and growing strong. We probably should not want any one operating system, be it proprietary, open-source or a hybrid, to displace all others. Monopolies and monocultures have bad consequences by their inherent nature. Also correct. No one really wants Coke or Pepsi to die... what we want is choice, freedom, and honest competition. You claim that Linux's continued existence is contingent upon it satisfying the needs of non-technical users of computers. That's not true, nor will Windows disappear any time soon, and that's true regardless of how brilliantly Linux advances. Partially true... Windoze will die... and the first real nails in the coffin lid are M$ Fixta... this is definitely one of those times where giving them enough rope will eventually hang them... the competition will be among the unix-like OSs, and M$ will become unix-like or it will die. (My prediction) Because Windows will continue to be a predominant OS for a very long time, I think computing professionals should pressure Windows to get its technological act together (especially regarding security). And institutional and government users, not to mention law-enforcement agencies, should be pressuring (or litigating) Microsoft to do business in a more honorable fashion. Hog wash... I read every day about one or two more corporations or governments dropping windoze for linux desktop... every day. Folks are just fed up, period. Fixta took five years, millions of people, and billions of dollars--- and its crappy eye candy with all the same old problems that have always plagued it... except that it required MORE memory, MORE CPU, and MORE money... folks are sick and tired of the M$ tax... or should I say FUD money. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 22:32, Stevens wrote: I didn't but it is an interesting point. What satisfying their needs would do is allow Linux to make inroads into a massively M$ world. As it stands now, it ain't ready for prime time. Close, but still no cigar. Hog wash... ... Its in prime time now bubba... wake up and smell the coffee dude! Dell is in the process as we speak of deciding which flavors to serve up in their next wave of prime-time preloads... its here now and its looking like beauty babe ... have a cigar~ -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 23:25, Randall R Schulz wrote: Then if MS is competing fairly in the marketplace of ideas within the constraints of limited hardware and software purchasing resources (money, i.e.), then the better player will win. But if MS exerts unjust force, outside proper market mechanisms, then they can continue to (appear to) succeed with an inferior and / or overpriced offering. That's why they must, if necessary, be forced legally to abide by proper competitive practices and not use their existing monopoly to strong-arm hardware vendors and large, institutional purchasers into choosing MS products when those purchasers would be better served by choosing an alternative. Yes indeed... ... my point was (I clarify) more to your point that M$ will be the predominate OS for quite some time is way over-stated. Whatever legal pressure is brought forward IS NOT because M$ will be the *predominate* OS for quite some time... they should be forced to compete *fairly* because it is the right thing to do. Frankly though, I think they met their Waterloo with Fixta... time will tell. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 23:29, Randall R Schulz wrote: I was just trying to kill some processes on a Win2003 system today and had to wait for the kernel to finish some tasks before it would die. That can happen on Linux, too. Try to kill a process in a 'D' wait state. It's not possible. Extended duration of a D wait does imply a bug (usually in a disk or file system driver), but it happens. Whether a user at root level can kill a process is not necessarily a test of how well preemptive multitasking has been implimented. However, if the kernel (or other ring zero processes) receive more time slice than other processes on the system then there may be a problem... and the M$ kernel (and other ring zero processes) are notorious for not playing well in the preemptive sandbox which means, well, it ain't truly preemptive--- I will admit that they have made huge strides from the early windoze days... but they are no match for the linux kernel... no way. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Why I don't upgrade often
On Wednesday 14 March 2007 10:44, Hartmut Meyer wrote: 9.1 might be better for you, but unless your system is not connected to any network (including internet dialup) staying on an unsupported system simply isn't a good idea. Hog wash... ... you see, one of the reasons *we* run linux is that it is safe to connect to the internet for extended periods of time ( 24x7 ) without any problem what-so-ever because it can actually be *controlled* at the kernel level (ipchains in the old days, and iptables today) unlike windoze which remains completely vulnerable with even the best third party security hack installed over it...!! My primary firewall | router | dialer is a highly stable back-level kernel locked tight--- ship shape Bristol Fashion. The NSA might be able to hack into it, but you won't... and neither will the kid next door. In fact, our local LUG plays these kind of games where we expose our machines to the net by telling the user group its address and by giving them the root password--- then we give a prize to the first one to hack into it... yes, we have lots of machines that have not had to pay out the prize money. ( a note: the participants are fun loving geeks who don't do any damage... ) The idea is to practice locking down a machine which is impervious to the script kiddies... and has the known over-run vulnerabilities patched. The thing that will absolutely astound the corporate world is when they finally realize that the virus|worm|cracker days will pretty much end with the demise of windoze. There will still be vulnerabilities exposed but not like today... and in the future (as today) those vulnerabilities will be fixed promptly--- ! -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Remote install/upgrade of SUSE (updated)
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 12:31, Matthew Stringer wrote: Can anyone explain what the deal is with this, If I install SUSE using a CD it always works so why is this any different and why would it matter that it's AMD? Confused. Have you tried turning ACPI off? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Reseting up failsafe
On Tuesday 13 March 2007 21:34, Adam Jimerson wrote: I have fixed everything but the missing failsafe boot option. Does anyone know what I have to do in order to get this back The failsafe bootup option in grub really amounts to a set of kernel options that may look similar to these: title Failsafe -- SUSE LINUX 10.x root (hd0,4) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/sda6 showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume selinux=0 nosmp noapic maxcpus=0 edd=off 3 initrd /initrd -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Shorewall (was; Re: [opensuse] Martin Glötzl-Koch STOP BOUNCING LIST MAIL)
On Monday 12 March 2007 21:24, John Andersen wrote: I conure. concur Damn spell checkers I conure too maybe... : -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] setting up secondary DNS with Yast (SuSE 10.0)
On Friday 09 March 2007 23:44, John Andersen wrote: I don't believe that is true. Clients only use the second dns server if the first becomes unreachable. yikes... ... well I'm gonna have to experiment with this a bit... would not be the first time I thought I understood something only to find out I still needed to understand it... :-)) stand by... -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] setting up secondary DNS with Yast (SuSE 10.0)
On Saturday 10 March 2007 22:34, M Harris wrote: yikes... ... well I'm gonna have to experiment with this a bit... would not be the first time I thought I understood something only to find out I still needed to understand it... :-)) stand by... Andersen is correct... ... the client only moves to the second nameserver if the first is unavailable... if the first cannot resolve the name ( but was available to do the lookup ) then the name remains unresolved. rats. So, we're back to the first place... the servers must be identical clones... so that /var/lib/named looks the same for both servers... the zone information is identical between the two. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] setting up secondary DNS with Yast (SuSE 10.0)
On Saturday 10 March 2007 23:07, M Harris wrote: ... the client only moves to the second nameserver if the first is unavailable... And the other thing I'm gonna have to experiment with now are the forwarders in named.conf. If the the local dns does not resolve the name then it forwards the resolution request to the forwarders listed in named.conf file. And I thought if the first does not resolve the name, then the second would pick it up... but probably not... if the first is available and does not resolve the name then the name remains unresolved?? I suppose the way to handle this is to make the first server a caching nameserver forwarding to the second server and then outside. The second server then forwards only outside. Changes are made to the second server *only* (or it caches from outside) and the primary server gets its changes by caching the second. If the primary is down the secondary gets it. If the secondary is down the primary forwards to its secondary forwarder (outside). I'm gonna have to play with this some more just for fun... :) -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] possibility to use standard keyboard single-hande
On Saturday 10 March 2007 23:52, Ryouga Hibiki wrote: Read all the emails, thought these can help but seems it won't. I still post it because it might interest someone =) http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/6c82/ ~cool. ... a bit pricy though... -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] setting up secondary DNS with Yast (SuSE 10.0)
On Friday 09 March 2007 08:05, James D. Parra wrote: Is there a way for the second DNS server to poll info from the first DNS server? Sure, but there is no need really... when searching for name resolution the client searches the nameservers in order... if not finding a resolution on the first, it moves to the second and so on even moving off-site if you have so configured it. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] CD/DVD question
On Friday 09 March 2007 22:55, Stevens wrote: I have some programs that require something like /media/cdrom or /media/dvdrecorder to work, but Suse 10.2 reads the volume i.d. and uses that as the mount point, ie /media/SOME_Program. What do I do to make those programs work with the new dynamic naming convention? Create a symbolic link... ... a symbolic link allows a file to be referenced by another name (even from another directory) without changing the original file location or name. Change directory into /media ( cd /media ) as root. Use the following command to create the symbolic link ( I will use your example names ): ln -sf SOME_VOLUMEID cdrom The -s switch makes the link symbolic, and the -f switch forces the command to remove any existing links by that name... be careful cdrom is the linkname and SOME_VOLUMEID is the target. This will create a symbolic link under /media that will appear when listed ( ls -al ) as the following : cdrom - SOME_VOLUMEID Now, apps that need to read /media/cdrom will actually be reading /media/SOME_VOLUMEID. What might happen though is that an app might need to read /mnt/cdrom... and you can still create a symbolic link to do the job. Change directory into /mnt as root and use this command: ln -sf /media/SOME_VOLUMEID cdrom This link will look like this when /mnt is listed: cdrom - /media/SOME_VOLUMEID Now an app needing to find the cdrom (Redhat style) under the /mnt filesystem will be able to read the /media/SOME_VOLUMEID that was mounted Suse style. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] setting up secondary DNS with Yast (SuSE 10.0)
On Thursday 08 March 2007 17:01, James D. Parra wrote: Is there a way in Yast, when configuring it as a DNS server, to have it go and retrieve the named info from the primary DNS server or must I load that info manually? Not in Yast. Clone the config by manually copying the zone information on the one machine from /var/lib/named/ to the other machine. You can specify the order of the primary and backup nameservers in your dhcp server by setting the config line in /etc/dhcpd.conf option domain-name-servers 192.168.1.3, 192.168.1.5; The named zone info is identical between the two servers, and the .1.3 server (in this case) will be the primary... assuming that your dhcp clients are setup to pull the nameserver addresses ( resolv.conf ) from dhcp. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] openSUSE no more
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 06:39, Kai Ponte wrote: I must have the wrong friends. :-) All the people I know are MS slaves. Well, I'm a MS slave at work, if that makes you feel better. In the groups of friends, though, I know many running *nix. Free at last... free at last... thanks be I'm free at last!... from the NY to LA let freedom ring... from Redmond to FL Key let freedom ring... thanks be I'm free at last... :) -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Recommended by Microsoft
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 13:06, Peter Bradley wrote: The only Linux recommended by Microsoft. Are they deliberately trying to annoy me? Anyway, I've written back and told them that I would never buy anything that came recommended by Microsoft. Well, what can we say... marketing is *not* one of Novell's strong suits... in fact they are pretty much *void* in the skillset... sigh -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] shell script newbie: how to display progress of a pipe?
On Monday 05 March 2007 19:50, Zhang Weiwu wrote: What would you suggest for my case to report progress? Write a non-buffering stage to preceed the sed stage. command | non-buffering-counter | sed-stage | command2 The non-buffering counter stage immediately passes each input to its output (does not buffer [stack] the data) and also keeps a running total of bytes/words that can be posted to a log file at convenient intervals of mbs. On the other hand... we have an English saying that probably applies in China also... a watched pot never boils. If you know the commands are reliable then watching their progress (esp if you know it is going to take an entire day) is silly... just wastes memory and slows the overall performance of the process... dude, just let it run. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Disappearing act (kde control center) [Solved]
On Friday 02 March 2007 05:24, Carlos E. R. wrote: It's just a bad spell. You pronounce the right incantation and it dissolves. Don't try to understand it. Seems linux is going that way... Nope... its a bug... and it needs fixin- ... looks like just one more reason to stick with 10.0 Has SLES had the problem? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Partitioning and formatting a drive
On Saturday 03 March 2007 15:08, Billie Erin Walsh wrote: What do you use to partition and format a new hard drive? CLI /on :) fdisk /dev/sdx# x for whatever device and # for the part no. Read the man pages and writeups on fdisk if you've never used it. Its the best way to go, but you need to know what you're doing. Use mkfs to place a file system on the new partition(s). mkfs is a frontend to the various mkfs.fstype tools under linux. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Technical Question: good WiFi connection stops working when...
On Thursday 01 March 2007 12:13, Dennis J. Tuchler wrote: My WiFi card works when I boot up, but does not continue to work when I take the laptop while it is on and move to another room. There are several things you can do... first (just covering the bases so please dont be offended) understand that the wifi is a radio link... wireless is a radio transceiver. When you stand up and walk (with the laptop) into another room your body can interfere with the signal in unpredictable and significant ways... depending on your distance from the router, whether your body is between the router and your laptop, and the physical position of the router in your house. Ok. 1) Try to mount the router (wireless hub) at a place in your house that is mostly central to the main locations you will working from--- a central hallway between the two room you most frequent might work. 2) Check the antenae on your router. If it has two, use them, but make sure they are extended and free from obstructions (metal) that might interfere with the radio signal. 3) You might want to try another card. The Netgear folks have really been able to significantly increase the range and speed of the cards/routers with recent wifi technology. 4) When you carry your laptop, do not hold the antenae area (or cover it with your hand) and carry the unit with the antenae positioned towards the router antenae. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Test
On Thursday 01 March 2007 17:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this gets denied, I will have to choice but to unsub. as I can't post questions nor ask for help Congratulations... post away! -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Spelling Knot Werking in KMail
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 23:09, Kai Ponte wrote: Ahh, cleverly set in an options menu (as opposed to the Settings menu) to fool us into writing goofy emails! Yeah, I went pawing through the text files in .kde and couldn't find the auto-spellchecking option that is set with the composition window (didn't find it). Somebody please tell us where it is hidden... please? Thanks. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Spelling Knot Werking in KMail
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 20:22, M Harris wrote: Somebody please tell us where it is hidden... please? OK, here it is... ... take a look in ~/.kde/share/config/kmailrc [Composer] . . . autoSpellChecking=false . . . As an aside, the resource file for the tool bar options of composer can be found here... /opt/kde3/share/apps/kmail/kmcomposerui.rc -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Spelling Knot Werking in KMail
On Tuesday 27 February 2007 21:16, Kai Ponte wrote: I'm rully stummpte on tis one. heh... hay... is this cuntajious caus I thinc myn quit werking 2? -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Consistency with power privileges
On Monday 26 February 2007 01:11, John Andersen wrote: What security expert sits a child at the console and then in the same breath preaches security as a reason to inconvenience the vast majority of users? I'll give you another real world scenario (more relevant) that I experienced at a college campus library a year and a half ago. Several of us were in the library one Thursday evening doing some late research and finishing up on a couple of critical papers. I had requested several journal articles via inter library loan and my laptop was in the process of downloading the fifth of six large journal faxes. Two other machines were in the process of the same sort of activity and one or two more were idle. In strolls the campus clown... who thought it might be funny (as he sailed through the library) to reach out and close the lids of all the laptops he could reach as he progressed between the tables. Most of the machines lost their connection and suspended... a couple of them hibernated--- all of them except mine... which kept right on downloading the last of the journal articles I desperately needed. Of course the other guys were able to get their articles too... eventually... after their machines woke up, reestablished the connection to campus... and then *restarted* their downloads. It wasn't funny, and it was avoidable. The moral... my colleagues *convenienced* themselves into an arbitrary highly inconvenient and uncontrolled shutdown because they thought nobody would ever close the lid of their highly personal computer except themselves... ooops. And by the way... I can suspend my laptop when I want to in about, oh, five seconds by pressing an icon and entering a password... so what? The point is not to preach inconvenience, the point is to encourage new folks to the *nix OS to work within the security benefits of the system... instead of constantly trying to circumvent them... especially because working within the security constaints of the system is s easy... sudo, su -, etc. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
