Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
If you're chasing reasons why the current product range is now in the abandon-ware pile vs why not just upgrade then it comes back to supply chain management along with managing support channels that go with this. Firstly I doubt Microsoft and Hardware vendors want to buy back existing units / stock in order to replace the OS with the new one and lastly in doing so would screw up a lot of metrics around measuring old vs new. It's hard to gauge how the WP7 marketplace is handling its pull/push strategy here, but I'd wager that given a metric around "units produced" vs "units sold" stacked in the earlier favor when it comes to seeding a new product like Wp7 to market, then they highly likely produced more than demand needed in a hope to jump start their way to victory. Simplicity of this entire thread boils down to "market replenishment" is more cost effective for suppliers here than it is for consumers. Yes you chance alienation but given the uptake of Windows Phone 7 to date is quite small (below Samsung OS even) then its a cheaper price to pay. Convincing net-new customers that the Wp8 is now going to be here for the long haul and has an upgrade path from hence forth is less a technical issue and more of a marketing / trust exercise that over time will win out if architected carefully (not saying Nokia + Microsoft have that skill as yet, but they do work with a "it's not a sprint, it's a marathon" mindset). All the below is academic version of "potential" vs "reality" I have a joke about that somewhere... :D --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Chris Walsh wrote: > Bill, > > "There's a huge difference between current models which are being actively > advertised compared to models released well over two years ago" > > No there actually isn't. IT'S THE SAME HARDWARE. The only "difference" > is a bump in processor, the processors that have been approved for 7.* are > STILL 2+ years old, 42nm manufacturing processes. They're the "same". > > Just because Nokia released a Lumia 900 this year doesn't mean the > internals are "new" :) > > -Original Message----- > From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] > On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy > Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 1:58 PM > To: 'ozDotNet' > Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > > Hi Chris, > > I think you'd have to go from the date of first general availability in > the country. What they should avoid is their phone partners releasing > products as new only to be obsolete within months. > > As to the HTC Mozart, that's well over 24 months old now. Telstra stopped > selling them online last year sometime; I recall clearly there were no WP > phones available online from Telstra late last year. My mozart is sitting > in a draw somewhere and I don't expect that to be upgraded now and I doubt > anyone would. There's a huge difference between current models which are > being actively advertised compared to models released well over two years > ago. (oh and it did come with a 24 month warranty from Telstra, FWIW ;) ). > > > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh > |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 1:29 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |Bill, > | > |" I wouldn't expect updates to be provided to all phones, but the most > current > |ones" > | > |Where do you draw the line? The HTC Mozart is still available in some > Telstra > |stores. So the end-user their 1st generation HTC Mozart is "new". At > |the > end of > |the day, there is NO difference between 1st & 2nd gen handsets, some > |have newer procs and a gyro but the hardware is the "same". > | > |As for pro-rataed discounts, good luck getting one apart from AT&T. > | > |Just because you bought a phone that seems "new" doesn't mean it is, > |nor > does > |the maker of the OS or the hardware have to do anything for you apart > |from validate the warranty. > | > | > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy > |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:08 PM > |To: 'ozDotNet' > |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |Ian & Chris, > | > |I hadn't responded to the second part of Chris's post yet as I wanted > |to > first > |establish that the ACCC warning telcos to provide warranty the same as > |the devices con
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Bill, "There's a huge difference between current models which are being actively advertised compared to models released well over two years ago" No there actually isn't. IT'S THE SAME HARDWARE. The only "difference" is a bump in processor, the processors that have been approved for 7.* are STILL 2+ years old, 42nm manufacturing processes. They're the "same". Just because Nokia released a Lumia 900 this year doesn't mean the internals are "new" :) -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 1:58 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Hi Chris, I think you'd have to go from the date of first general availability in the country. What they should avoid is their phone partners releasing products as new only to be obsolete within months. As to the HTC Mozart, that's well over 24 months old now. Telstra stopped selling them online last year sometime; I recall clearly there were no WP phones available online from Telstra late last year. My mozart is sitting in a draw somewhere and I don't expect that to be upgraded now and I doubt anyone would. There's a huge difference between current models which are being actively advertised compared to models released well over two years ago. (oh and it did come with a 24 month warranty from Telstra, FWIW ;) ). |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 1:29 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Bill, | |" I wouldn't expect updates to be provided to all phones, but the most current |ones" | |Where do you draw the line? The HTC Mozart is still available in some Telstra |stores. So the end-user their 1st generation HTC Mozart is "new". At |the end of |the day, there is NO difference between 1st & 2nd gen handsets, some |have newer procs and a gyro but the hardware is the "same". | |As for pro-rataed discounts, good luck getting one apart from AT&T. | |Just because you bought a phone that seems "new" doesn't mean it is, |nor does |the maker of the OS or the hardware have to do anything for you apart |from validate the warranty. | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:08 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Ian & Chris, | |I hadn't responded to the second part of Chris's post yet as I wanted |to first |establish that the ACCC warning telcos to provide warranty the same as |the devices contracts is not "bullhonky", but is a fact. The only one |that doesn't still is |Telstra with iPhone, at least judging from this article. |But as they note they'd be had pressed if it was legally challenged: |http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/iphone/the-wisdom-of-warranty- |20120328 |-1vx3y.html | |Regarding the updates, the Windows Phone update process is complex |across all |regions/telcos. This applies equally to the 7.8 update that's being |rolled out. Also |note Nokia is also provided a firmware update as well. |The new devices do not need to have secure boot, just like laptops & tablets do |not require secure boot to run windows 8. The issue about losing all |your apps |and data is a real one, the same issue that applies when you have to |reset your |device. | |I wouldn't expect updates to be provided to all phones, but the most current |ones, especially the ones that Microsoft and the handset makers have |been promoting heavily. Eg HTC Titan, Lumias etc. If they find it too |costly then |perhaps they should offer a pro-rata discount off updating when they release |their WP8 phone. Because Microsoft built a complex ecosystem with |multiple device manufactures and multiple telcos, doesn't mean the |consumer should have to pay every time MS feels they need to adjust direction. | | | ||-----Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas ||Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 11:44 AM ||To: 'ozDotNet' ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||Chris || ||That is the most informative response I have seen - I (for one) ||appreciate |it. You ||have described what I suspected were the technical problems behind the ||decisions on WP8's new start in the smartphone business. || ||Bill McCarthy obviously (imo) has some valid arguments about the ||evolution |of ||WP since mid-2011 Mango timeframe, and compares Apple's / Google's ||upgrade planning. What happens will happen. I'd like to WP8 succeed. || ||A fe
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Hi Chris, I think you'd have to go from the date of first general availability in the country. What they should avoid is their phone partners releasing products as new only to be obsolete within months. As to the HTC Mozart, that's well over 24 months old now. Telstra stopped selling them online last year sometime; I recall clearly there were no WP phones available online from Telstra late last year. My mozart is sitting in a draw somewhere and I don't expect that to be upgraded now and I doubt anyone would. There's a huge difference between current models which are being actively advertised compared to models released well over two years ago. (oh and it did come with a 24 month warranty from Telstra, FWIW ;) ). |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 1:29 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Bill, | |" I wouldn't expect updates to be provided to all phones, but the most current |ones" | |Where do you draw the line? The HTC Mozart is still available in some Telstra |stores. So the end-user their 1st generation HTC Mozart is "new". At the end of |the day, there is NO difference between 1st & 2nd gen handsets, some have |newer procs and a gyro but the hardware is the "same". | |As for pro-rataed discounts, good luck getting one apart from AT&T. | |Just because you bought a phone that seems "new" doesn't mean it is, nor does |the maker of the OS or the hardware have to do anything for you apart from |validate the warranty. | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:08 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Ian & Chris, | |I hadn't responded to the second part of Chris's post yet as I wanted to first |establish that the ACCC warning telcos to provide warranty the same as the |devices contracts is not "bullhonky", but is a fact. The only one that doesn't still is |Telstra with iPhone, at least judging from this article. |But as they note they'd be had pressed if it was legally challenged: |http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/iphone/the-wisdom-of-warranty- |20120328 |-1vx3y.html | |Regarding the updates, the Windows Phone update process is complex across all |regions/telcos. This applies equally to the 7.8 update that's being rolled out. Also |note Nokia is also provided a firmware update as well. |The new devices do not need to have secure boot, just like laptops & tablets do |not require secure boot to run windows 8. The issue about losing all your apps |and data is a real one, the same issue that applies when you have to reset your |device. | |I wouldn't expect updates to be provided to all phones, but the most current |ones, especially the ones that Microsoft and the handset makers have been |promoting heavily. Eg HTC Titan, Lumias etc. If they find it too costly then |perhaps they should offer a pro-rata discount off updating when they release |their WP8 phone. Because Microsoft built a complex ecosystem with multiple |device manufactures and multiple telcos, doesn't mean the consumer should |have to pay every time MS feels they need to adjust direction. | | | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas ||Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 11:44 AM ||To: 'ozDotNet' ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||Chris || ||That is the most informative response I have seen - I (for one) ||appreciate |it. You ||have described what I suspected were the technical problems behind the ||decisions on WP8's new start in the smartphone business. || ||Bill McCarthy obviously (imo) has some valid arguments about the ||evolution |of ||WP since mid-2011 Mango timeframe, and compares Apple's / Google's ||upgrade planning. What happens will happen. I'd like to WP8 succeed. || ||A few weeks ago I inferred that I thought the Lumia 900 was an advance ||on |the ||800, but still underpowered and had less than optimum screen resolution |(or, at ||least I think I did; I haven't looked for the evidence). Bill McC who ||owns |a Lumia ||800 mildly chastised me, rightly pointing out that it was better than ||the |desktop ||screens (RGB, etc) that we had a few years back. But I hate these small |screens ||with inadequate resolution for my eyesight. || ||And the trivial "apps" - lumping phone + tablet together here. If I ||want |info from ||IMDB on a movie or its participants, I don't want a summary of this ||week's |box ||office successes, and other superficial fast food approaches to data or |opinion. ||Admittedly I've seen less than a hundred iPad
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Bill, " I wouldn't expect updates to be provided to all phones, but the most current ones" Where do you draw the line? The HTC Mozart is still available in some Telstra stores. So the end-user their 1st generation HTC Mozart is "new". At the end of the day, there is NO difference between 1st & 2nd gen handsets, some have newer procs and a gyro but the hardware is the "same". As for pro-rataed discounts, good luck getting one apart from AT&T. Just because you bought a phone that seems "new" doesn't mean it is, nor does the maker of the OS or the hardware have to do anything for you apart from validate the warranty. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:08 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Ian & Chris, I hadn't responded to the second part of Chris's post yet as I wanted to first establish that the ACCC warning telcos to provide warranty the same as the devices contracts is not "bullhonky", but is a fact. The only one that doesn't still is Telstra with iPhone, at least judging from this article. But as they note they'd be had pressed if it was legally challenged: http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/iphone/the-wisdom-of-warranty-20120328 -1vx3y.html Regarding the updates, the Windows Phone update process is complex across all regions/telcos. This applies equally to the 7.8 update that's being rolled out. Also note Nokia is also provided a firmware update as well. The new devices do not need to have secure boot, just like laptops & tablets do not require secure boot to run windows 8. The issue about losing all your apps and data is a real one, the same issue that applies when you have to reset your device. I wouldn't expect updates to be provided to all phones, but the most current ones, especially the ones that Microsoft and the handset makers have been promoting heavily. Eg HTC Titan, Lumias etc. If they find it too costly then perhaps they should offer a pro-rata discount off updating when they release their WP8 phone. Because Microsoft built a complex ecosystem with multiple device manufactures and multiple telcos, doesn't mean the consumer should have to pay every time MS feels they need to adjust direction. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 11:44 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Chris | |That is the most informative response I have seen - I (for one) |appreciate it. You |have described what I suspected were the technical problems behind the |decisions on WP8's new start in the smartphone business. | |Bill McCarthy obviously (imo) has some valid arguments about the |evolution of |WP since mid-2011 Mango timeframe, and compares Apple's / Google's |upgrade planning. What happens will happen. I'd like to WP8 succeed. | |A few weeks ago I inferred that I thought the Lumia 900 was an advance |on the |800, but still underpowered and had less than optimum screen resolution (or, at |least I think I did; I haven't looked for the evidence). Bill McC who |owns a Lumia |800 mildly chastised me, rightly pointing out that it was better than |the desktop |screens (RGB, etc) that we had a few years back. But I hate these small screens |with inadequate resolution for my eyesight. | |And the trivial "apps" - lumping phone + tablet together here. If I |want info from |IMDB on a movie or its participants, I don't want a summary of this |week's box |office successes, and other superficial fast food approaches to data or opinion. |Admittedly I've seen less than a hundred iPad apps, but enough for me |to be unimpressed by the median quality of the other 250K that are available. | |Actually - and hindsight is a great convenience if not a wonderful |thing - I've had |the lingering discomfort that all of the WP hardware used by the manufacturers |of Windows Phones has been lagging or lacking. But that depends on what |you want in a smartphone, of course. | |I don't really know what I want in one - I use my non-smart mobile |phone for |voice and SMS only (and not for data), and really dislike my Sony |Ericsson W508a |(freed from Telstra but with its highly-modified menus and links to |useless stuff. |And it PC to phone software is the worst I have encountered. | |But when a decent Windows Phone catches my imagination, I might buy and |use it. Maybe I want a tablet/slate instead? I'm attracted to the |Windows Surface as |a tablet<--> PC, add Skype, and maybe I would dump my mobile account entirely. | | |Ian Thomas |Victoria Park, Western Aus
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk wrote: > >> >> Hmmm, Microsoft, can you say "bridesmaid" ? :) >> >> >> > But it has to run Android :-P > Really, that doesn't matter. What matters is that you can pick it up and use it easily, and that it has a large app market. iOS and Android both qualify here, W8, probably will soon. When there's a tablet available that runs it? -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
> > > > Hmmm, Microsoft, can you say "bridesmaid" ? :) > > > But it has to run Android :-P
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
Despite it being 'available for pre-order in Australia', I had to use a US based credit card and a redirecting address. Mike On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:20 PM, mike smith wrote: > > http://www.zdnet.com.au/google-launches-nexus-7-tablet-aussies-first-in-339340477.htm > > As previously reported, the device was built by Asus, and comes with a > 7-inch 1280x800 HD display. According to Google, it's running the Tegra 3 > processor and has a front-facing camera for video chatting. Wi-Fi > connectivity, as well as Bluetooth and near-field communication (NFC) > support are also included in the device. > > > Hmmm, Microsoft, can you say "bridesmaid" ? :) > > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Bill McCarthy < > bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > >> Ian & Chris, >> >> I hadn't responded to the second part of Chris's post yet as I wanted to >> first establish that the ACCC warning telcos to provide warranty the same >> as >> the devices contracts is not "bullhonky", but is a fact. The only one that >> doesn't still is Telstra with iPhone, at least judging from this article. >> But as they note they'd be had pressed if it was legally challenged: >> >> http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/iphone/the-wisdom-of-warranty-20120328 >> -1vx3y.html<http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/iphone/the-wisdom-of-warranty-20120328-1vx3y.html> >> >> Regarding the updates, the Windows Phone update process is complex across >> all regions/telcos. This applies equally to the 7.8 update that's being >> rolled out. Also note Nokia is also provided a firmware update as well. >> The new devices do not need to have secure boot, just like laptops & >> tablets >> do not require secure boot to run windows 8. The issue about losing all >> your apps and data is a real one, the same issue that applies when you >> have >> to reset your device. >> >> I wouldn't expect updates to be provided to all phones, but the most >> current >> ones, especially the ones that Microsoft and the handset makers have been >> promoting heavily. Eg HTC Titan, Lumias etc. If they find it too costly >> then perhaps they should offer a pro-rata discount off updating when they >> release their WP8 phone. Because Microsoft built a complex ecosystem with >> multiple device manufactures and multiple telcos, doesn't mean the >> consumer >> should have to pay every time MS feels they need to adjust direction. >> >> >> >> |-Original Message- >> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas >> |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 11:44 AM >> |To: 'ozDotNet' >> |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced >> | >> |Chris >> | >> |That is the most informative response I have seen - I (for one) >> appreciate >> it. You >> |have described what I suspected were the technical problems behind the >> |decisions on WP8's new start in the smartphone business. >> | >> |Bill McCarthy obviously (imo) has some valid arguments about the >> evolution >> of >> |WP since mid-2011 Mango timeframe, and compares Apple's / Google's >> upgrade >> |planning. What happens will happen. I'd like to WP8 succeed. >> | >> |A few weeks ago I inferred that I thought the Lumia 900 was an advance on >> the >> |800, but still underpowered and had less than optimum screen resolution >> (or, at >> |least I think I did; I haven't looked for the evidence). Bill McC who >> owns >> a Lumia >> |800 mildly chastised me, rightly pointing out that it was better than the >> desktop >> |screens (RGB, etc) that we had a few years back. But I hate these small >> screens >> |with inadequate resolution for my eyesight. >> | >> |And the trivial "apps" - lumping phone + tablet together here. If I want >> info from >> |IMDB on a movie or its participants, I don't want a summary of this >> week's >> box >> |office successes, and other superficial fast food approaches to data or >> opinion. >> |Admittedly I've seen less than a hundred iPad apps, but enough for me to >> be >> |unimpressed by the median quality of the other 250K that are available. >> | >> |Actually - and hindsight is a great convenience if not a wonderful thing >> - >> I've had >> |the lingering discomfort that all of the WP hardware used by the >> manufacturers >&
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http://www.zdnet.com.au/google-launches-nexus-7-tablet-aussies-first-in-339340477.htm As previously reported, the device was built by Asus, and comes with a 7-inch 1280x800 HD display. According to Google, it's running the Tegra 3 processor and has a front-facing camera for video chatting. Wi-Fi connectivity, as well as Bluetooth and near-field communication (NFC) support are also included in the device. Hmmm, Microsoft, can you say "bridesmaid" ? :) On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Bill McCarthy < bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > Ian & Chris, > > I hadn't responded to the second part of Chris's post yet as I wanted to > first establish that the ACCC warning telcos to provide warranty the same > as > the devices contracts is not "bullhonky", but is a fact. The only one that > doesn't still is Telstra with iPhone, at least judging from this article. > But as they note they'd be had pressed if it was legally challenged: > > http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/iphone/the-wisdom-of-warranty-20120328 > -1vx3y.html > > Regarding the updates, the Windows Phone update process is complex across > all regions/telcos. This applies equally to the 7.8 update that's being > rolled out. Also note Nokia is also provided a firmware update as well. > The new devices do not need to have secure boot, just like laptops & > tablets > do not require secure boot to run windows 8. The issue about losing all > your apps and data is a real one, the same issue that applies when you have > to reset your device. > > I wouldn't expect updates to be provided to all phones, but the most > current > ones, especially the ones that Microsoft and the handset makers have been > promoting heavily. Eg HTC Titan, Lumias etc. If they find it too costly > then perhaps they should offer a pro-rata discount off updating when they > release their WP8 phone. Because Microsoft built a complex ecosystem with > multiple device manufactures and multiple telcos, doesn't mean the consumer > should have to pay every time MS feels they need to adjust direction. > > > > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas > |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 11:44 AM > |To: 'ozDotNet' > |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |Chris > | > |That is the most informative response I have seen - I (for one) appreciate > it. You > |have described what I suspected were the technical problems behind the > |decisions on WP8's new start in the smartphone business. > | > |Bill McCarthy obviously (imo) has some valid arguments about the evolution > of > |WP since mid-2011 Mango timeframe, and compares Apple's / Google's upgrade > |planning. What happens will happen. I'd like to WP8 succeed. > | > |A few weeks ago I inferred that I thought the Lumia 900 was an advance on > the > |800, but still underpowered and had less than optimum screen resolution > (or, at > |least I think I did; I haven't looked for the evidence). Bill McC who owns > a Lumia > |800 mildly chastised me, rightly pointing out that it was better than the > desktop > |screens (RGB, etc) that we had a few years back. But I hate these small > screens > |with inadequate resolution for my eyesight. > | > |And the trivial "apps" - lumping phone + tablet together here. If I want > info from > |IMDB on a movie or its participants, I don't want a summary of this week's > box > |office successes, and other superficial fast food approaches to data or > opinion. > |Admittedly I've seen less than a hundred iPad apps, but enough for me to > be > |unimpressed by the median quality of the other 250K that are available. > | > |Actually - and hindsight is a great convenience if not a wonderful thing - > I've had > |the lingering discomfort that all of the WP hardware used by the > manufacturers > |of Windows Phones has been lagging or lacking. But that depends on what > you > |want in a smartphone, of course. > | > |I don't really know what I want in one - I use my non-smart mobile phone > for > |voice and SMS only (and not for data), and really dislike my Sony Ericsson > W508a > |(freed from Telstra but with its highly-modified menus and links to > useless > stuff. > |And it PC to phone software is the worst I have encountered. > | > |But when a decent Windows Phone catches my imagination, I might buy and > use > |it. Maybe I want a tablet/slate instead? I'm attracted to the Windows > Surface as > |a tablet<--> PC, add Skype, and maybe I would dump my mobile account > entirely. >
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Ian & Chris, I hadn't responded to the second part of Chris's post yet as I wanted to first establish that the ACCC warning telcos to provide warranty the same as the devices contracts is not "bullhonky", but is a fact. The only one that doesn't still is Telstra with iPhone, at least judging from this article. But as they note they'd be had pressed if it was legally challenged: http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/iphone/the-wisdom-of-warranty-20120328 -1vx3y.html Regarding the updates, the Windows Phone update process is complex across all regions/telcos. This applies equally to the 7.8 update that's being rolled out. Also note Nokia is also provided a firmware update as well. The new devices do not need to have secure boot, just like laptops & tablets do not require secure boot to run windows 8. The issue about losing all your apps and data is a real one, the same issue that applies when you have to reset your device. I wouldn't expect updates to be provided to all phones, but the most current ones, especially the ones that Microsoft and the handset makers have been promoting heavily. Eg HTC Titan, Lumias etc. If they find it too costly then perhaps they should offer a pro-rata discount off updating when they release their WP8 phone. Because Microsoft built a complex ecosystem with multiple device manufactures and multiple telcos, doesn't mean the consumer should have to pay every time MS feels they need to adjust direction. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 11:44 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Chris | |That is the most informative response I have seen - I (for one) appreciate it. You |have described what I suspected were the technical problems behind the |decisions on WP8's new start in the smartphone business. | |Bill McCarthy obviously (imo) has some valid arguments about the evolution of |WP since mid-2011 Mango timeframe, and compares Apple's / Google's upgrade |planning. What happens will happen. I'd like to WP8 succeed. | |A few weeks ago I inferred that I thought the Lumia 900 was an advance on the |800, but still underpowered and had less than optimum screen resolution (or, at |least I think I did; I haven't looked for the evidence). Bill McC who owns a Lumia |800 mildly chastised me, rightly pointing out that it was better than the desktop |screens (RGB, etc) that we had a few years back. But I hate these small screens |with inadequate resolution for my eyesight. | |And the trivial "apps" - lumping phone + tablet together here. If I want info from |IMDB on a movie or its participants, I don't want a summary of this week's box |office successes, and other superficial fast food approaches to data or opinion. |Admittedly I've seen less than a hundred iPad apps, but enough for me to be |unimpressed by the median quality of the other 250K that are available. | |Actually - and hindsight is a great convenience if not a wonderful thing - I've had |the lingering discomfort that all of the WP hardware used by the manufacturers |of Windows Phones has been lagging or lacking. But that depends on what you |want in a smartphone, of course. | |I don't really know what I want in one - I use my non-smart mobile phone for |voice and SMS only (and not for data), and really dislike my Sony Ericsson W508a |(freed from Telstra but with its highly-modified menus and links to useless stuff. |And it PC to phone software is the worst I have encountered. | |But when a decent Windows Phone catches my imagination, I might buy and use |it. Maybe I want a tablet/slate instead? I'm attracted to the Windows Surface as |a tablet<--> PC, add Skype, and maybe I would dump my mobile account entirely. | | |Ian Thomas |Victoria Park, Western Australia | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] |On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:22 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Bill, | |"I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length |of the contracts" | |Complete bullhonky there mate. Telco's can have whatever length of contract |they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control. You can pay |extra to the telco and NOT get a 24month play, you get the luck of the draw |getting a phone on contract. The ACCC tried to enforce it, but the ACCC didn't |have a leg to stand on. | |As for the commentary on whether 1st & 2nd gen handsets would get the update, |let's have a discussion about this. | |Take a step back and look at your Lumia 800/900 "new" device for a minute. |The silicon running that device is 2+
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Chris That is the most informative response I have seen - I (for one) appreciate it. You have described what I suspected were the technical problems behind the decisions on WP8's new start in the smartphone business. Bill McCarthy obviously (imo) has some valid arguments about the evolution of WP since mid-2011 Mango timeframe, and compares Apple's / Google's upgrade planning. What happens will happen. I'd like to WP8 succeed. A few weeks ago I inferred that I thought the Lumia 900 was an advance on the 800, but still underpowered and had less than optimum screen resolution (or, at least I think I did; I haven't looked for the evidence). Bill McC who owns a Lumia 800 mildly chastised me, rightly pointing out that it was better than the desktop screens (RGB, etc) that we had a few years back. But I hate these small screens with inadequate resolution for my eyesight. And the trivial "apps" - lumping phone + tablet together here. If I want info from IMDB on a movie or its participants, I don't want a summary of this week's box office successes, and other superficial fast food approaches to data or opinion. Admittedly I've seen less than a hundred iPad apps, but enough for me to be unimpressed by the median quality of the other 250K that are available. Actually - and hindsight is a great convenience if not a wonderful thing - I've had the lingering discomfort that all of the WP hardware used by the manufacturers of Windows Phones has been lagging or lacking. But that depends on what you want in a smartphone, of course. I don't really know what I want in one - I use my non-smart mobile phone for voice and SMS only (and not for data), and really dislike my Sony Ericsson W508a (freed from Telstra but with its highly-modified menus and links to useless stuff. And it PC to phone software is the worst I have encountered. But when a decent Windows Phone catches my imagination, I might buy and use it. Maybe I want a tablet/slate instead? I'm attracted to the Windows Surface as a tablet<--> PC, add Skype, and maybe I would dump my mobile account entirely. Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:22 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Bill, "I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts" Complete bullhonky there mate. Telco's can have whatever length of contract they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control. You can pay extra to the telco and NOT get a 24month play, you get the luck of the draw getting a phone on contract. The ACCC tried to enforce it, but the ACCC didn't have a leg to stand on. As for the commentary on whether 1st & 2nd gen handsets would get the update, let's have a discussion about this. Take a step back and look at your Lumia 800/900 "new" device for a minute. The silicon running that device is 2+ years old, single core, no expandable memory, 16GB of flash, with 512MB of RAM. As for the reason why existing devices couldn't be upgraded, you only need to look at the "Shared Core" features to realise that WP8 Core has been "re-written" from the ground up. Basically putting existing gen 1 & gen 2 device manufacturers & Microsoft in a position, where they need to create new bootloaders to support "Secure Boot" & bitlocker encryption, even if they could magically do that, they've then got to repartition the NAND which stores the OS, RIL firmware, and even the separate update partition. Try bundling that up into an update and pushing it out to existing devices. Short answer is you can't. To repartition the NAND you need to supply a complete device image (FFU), inside the FFU the partition maps are picked up by "updatewp" aka Zune and your device is repartitioned ready for the update. One little tidbit, you've just lost your ENTIRE OS image, data, SMS messages and the Plants vs Zombie saved games you were hanging onto because you'd gotten past the first level. And we all know that you can't backup anything with WP7+ devices :) Now that you've got a device image, you have one, there are 15+ devices out there, each device has the possibility of having a DIFFERENT image for each Mobile Operator, with 300+ MO's out there, you are looking at creating 4500+ complete device images. Do you have any idea how long it takes to create complete device images? Even once you've created one, the MO needs to TEST the image, they find an issue, it's sent back to the handset maker to fix, if it's Microsoft issue, then it goes back up the chain to fix a core issue, then another image is
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Hi Chris, Yes I read it. The onus was on Telstra to "negotiate" with the handset providers. If you read the Optus page on ACCC I linked to you would have seen the iPhone warranty was extended to 24 months. I believe Telstra has also followed suite on that now. The page you linked to is for **insurance** for things such as theft and loss, and is not to be confused with a device warranty. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 11:19 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Hi Bill, | |Have you actually read it? | |"Telstra has decided to do what's right and fair for consumers, and has been |negotiating with manufacturers to bring in warranty periods that last for the |length of a consumer's contract" | |They key word, "negotiating". | |If you want the 24 month warranty, you need to PAY for that extra feature if the |handset manufacturer doesn't offer the 24 month policy. HTC do. | |http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile-phones/premium-care-mobile- |insurance/?red=/mobile/premium-care-mobile-insurance.html | | |Nice little bit about the "Excluding Apple" scenario. Bet the iFanBoys aren't crying |about it. | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 11:05 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |HI Chris, | ||"I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for ||the |length ||of the contracts" || ||Complete bullhonky there mate. Telco's can have whatever length of |contract ||they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control. | |ACCC issues warning to telcos: |http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/924924 | |Telstra takes steps to strengthen warranties: |http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/950648/fromItemId/142 | |Optus provides 24 month warranties: |http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/966482 | |Vodafon: |http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/909293/fromItemId/142 | | | | | | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh ||Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 9:22 AM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||Bill, || ||"I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for ||the |length ||of the contracts" || ||Complete bullhonky there mate. Telco's can have whatever length of |contract ||they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control. You ||can |pay ||extra to the telco and NOT get a 24month play, you get the luck of the ||draw getting a phone on contract. The ACCC tried to enforce it, but ||the ACCC |didn't ||have a leg to stand on. || ||As for the commentary on whether 1st & 2nd gen handsets would get the |update, ||let's have a discussion about this. || ||Take a step back and look at your Lumia 800/900 "new" device for a minute. |The ||silicon running that device is 2+ years old, single core, no expandable |memory, ||16GB of flash, with 512MB of RAM. || ||As for the reason why existing devices couldn't be upgraded, you only ||need |to ||look at the "Shared Core" features to realise that WP8 Core has been |"re-written" ||from the ground up. Basically putting existing gen 1 & gen 2 device ||manufacturers & Microsoft in a position, where they need to create new ||bootloaders to support "Secure Boot" & bitlocker encryption, even if ||they |could ||magically do that, they've then got to repartition the NAND which ||stores |the OS, ||RIL firmware, and even the separate update partition. Try bundling ||that up |into ||an update and pushing it out to existing devices. Short answer is you |can't. To ||repartition the NAND you need to supply a complete device image (FFU), |inside ||the FFU the partition maps are picked up by "updatewp" aka Zune and ||your |device ||is repartitioned ready for the update. One little tidbit, you've just ||lost |your ||ENTIRE OS image, data, SMS messages and the Plants vs Zombie saved ||games you were hanging onto because you'd gotten past the first level. ||And we |all know ||that you can't backup anything with WP7+ devices :) || ||Now that you've got a device image, you have one, there are 15+ devices ||out there, each device has the possibility of having a DIFFERENT image ||for each Mobile Operator, with 300+ MO's out there, you are looking at ||creating |4500+ ||complete device images. Do you have any idea how long it takes to ||create complete device images? Even once you've created one, the MO ||needs to TEST the image, they find an iss
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Hi Bill, Have you actually read it? "Telstra has decided to do what's right and fair for consumers, and has been negotiating with manufacturers to bring in warranty periods that last for the length of a consumer's contract" They key word, "negotiating". If you want the 24 month warranty, you need to PAY for that extra feature if the handset manufacturer doesn't offer the 24 month policy. HTC do. http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile-phones/premium-care-mobile-insurance/?red=/mobile/premium-care-mobile-insurance.html Nice little bit about the "Excluding Apple" scenario. Bet the iFanBoys aren't crying about it. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 11:05 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced HI Chris, |"I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for |the length |of the contracts" | |Complete bullhonky there mate. Telco's can have whatever length of contract |they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control. ACCC issues warning to telcos: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/924924 Telstra takes steps to strengthen warranties: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/950648/fromItemId/142 Optus provides 24 month warranties: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/966482 Vodafon: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/909293/fromItemId/142 |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 9:22 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Bill, | |"I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for |the length |of the contracts" | |Complete bullhonky there mate. Telco's can have whatever length of contract |they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control. You |can pay |extra to the telco and NOT get a 24month play, you get the luck of the |draw getting a phone on contract. The ACCC tried to enforce it, but |the ACCC didn't |have a leg to stand on. | |As for the commentary on whether 1st & 2nd gen handsets would get the update, |let's have a discussion about this. | |Take a step back and look at your Lumia 800/900 "new" device for a minute. The |silicon running that device is 2+ years old, single core, no expandable memory, |16GB of flash, with 512MB of RAM. | |As for the reason why existing devices couldn't be upgraded, you only |need to |look at the "Shared Core" features to realise that WP8 Core has been "re-written" |from the ground up. Basically putting existing gen 1 & gen 2 device |manufacturers & Microsoft in a position, where they need to create new |bootloaders to support "Secure Boot" & bitlocker encryption, even if |they could |magically do that, they've then got to repartition the NAND which |stores the OS, |RIL firmware, and even the separate update partition. Try bundling |that up into |an update and pushing it out to existing devices. Short answer is you can't. To |repartition the NAND you need to supply a complete device image (FFU), inside |the FFU the partition maps are picked up by "updatewp" aka Zune and |your device |is repartitioned ready for the update. One little tidbit, you've just |lost your |ENTIRE OS image, data, SMS messages and the Plants vs Zombie saved |games you were hanging onto because you'd gotten past the first level. |And we all know |that you can't backup anything with WP7+ devices :) | |Now that you've got a device image, you have one, there are 15+ devices |out there, each device has the possibility of having a DIFFERENT image |for each Mobile Operator, with 300+ MO's out there, you are looking at |creating 4500+ |complete device images. Do you have any idea how long it takes to |create complete device images? Even once you've created one, the MO |needs to TEST the image, they find an issue, it's sent back to the |handset maker to fix, if it's |Microsoft issue, then it goes back up the chain to fix a core issue, |then another |image is created, and you repeat the process, over & over & over again. | |Miraculously the MO's have tested and approved the update, you have to cross |your fingers, legs, toes & basically anything else when the END USERS |are performing a COMPLETE device re-flash. If there was one little |stuff up, the user |failed to download the update correctly, user was updating his/her |device with a |shitty 3rd party microUSB cable, they've now got a brick, a brick that can't be |recovered. The only possibility of a recover is if they didn't stuff
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HI Chris, |"I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length |of the contracts" | |Complete bullhonky there mate. Telco's can have whatever length of contract |they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control. ACCC issues warning to telcos: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/924924 Telstra takes steps to strengthen warranties: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/950648/fromItemId/142 Optus provides 24 month warranties: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/966482 Vodafon: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/909293/fromItemId/142 |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh |Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 9:22 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Bill, | |"I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length |of the contracts" | |Complete bullhonky there mate. Telco's can have whatever length of contract |they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control. You can pay |extra to the telco and NOT get a 24month play, you get the luck of the draw |getting a phone on contract. The ACCC tried to enforce it, but the ACCC didn't |have a leg to stand on. | |As for the commentary on whether 1st & 2nd gen handsets would get the update, |let's have a discussion about this. | |Take a step back and look at your Lumia 800/900 "new" device for a minute. The |silicon running that device is 2+ years old, single core, no expandable memory, |16GB of flash, with 512MB of RAM. | |As for the reason why existing devices couldn't be upgraded, you only need to |look at the "Shared Core" features to realise that WP8 Core has been "re-written" |from the ground up. Basically putting existing gen 1 & gen 2 device |manufacturers & Microsoft in a position, where they need to create new |bootloaders to support "Secure Boot" & bitlocker encryption, even if they could |magically do that, they've then got to repartition the NAND which stores the OS, |RIL firmware, and even the separate update partition. Try bundling that up into |an update and pushing it out to existing devices. Short answer is you can't. To |repartition the NAND you need to supply a complete device image (FFU), inside |the FFU the partition maps are picked up by "updatewp" aka Zune and your device |is repartitioned ready for the update. One little tidbit, you've just lost your |ENTIRE OS image, data, SMS messages and the Plants vs Zombie saved games |you were hanging onto because you'd gotten past the first level. And we all know |that you can't backup anything with WP7+ devices :) | |Now that you've got a device image, you have one, there are 15+ devices out |there, each device has the possibility of having a DIFFERENT image for each |Mobile Operator, with 300+ MO's out there, you are looking at creating 4500+ |complete device images. Do you have any idea how long it takes to create |complete device images? Even once you've created one, the MO needs to TEST |the image, they find an issue, it's sent back to the handset maker to fix, if it's |Microsoft issue, then it goes back up the chain to fix a core issue, then another |image is created, and you repeat the process, over & over & over again. | |Miraculously the MO's have tested and approved the update, you have to cross |your fingers, legs, toes & basically anything else when the END USERS are |performing a COMPLETE device re-flash. If there was one little stuff up, the user |failed to download the update correctly, user was updating his/her device with a |shitty 3rd party microUSB cable, they've now got a brick, a brick that can't be |recovered. The only possibility of a recover is if they didn't stuff up the |bootloader flash, which is generally the first thing that gets flashed, which if |something was to go wrong, is the first thing to break. Even having the ability to |JTAG a device, it won't recover it (if you are lucky to have a device that it's JTAG |isn't locked). | |Now, you've got a bricked device, that's out of warranty, but bricked because |Microsoft & the Handset manufacturers decided to push down an update, even |though you ticked a million boxes saying updating it was your fault, the end user |still has a whinge, complains to 10+ people about shitty company X & Y because |they bricked their phone, they'll also complain to the MO and most likely move to |another carrier. If the update was somehow successful, how many people was |that end user tell and phrase Microsoft to? Your answer is 1-2. But you are still |going to whinge about losing your Plants vs Zombie game saves! | |N
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Bill, "I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts" Complete bullhonky there mate. Telco's can have whatever length of contract they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control. You can pay extra to the telco and NOT get a 24month play, you get the luck of the draw getting a phone on contract. The ACCC tried to enforce it, but the ACCC didn't have a leg to stand on. As for the commentary on whether 1st & 2nd gen handsets would get the update, let's have a discussion about this. Take a step back and look at your Lumia 800/900 "new" device for a minute. The silicon running that device is 2+ years old, single core, no expandable memory, 16GB of flash, with 512MB of RAM. As for the reason why existing devices couldn't be upgraded, you only need to look at the "Shared Core" features to realise that WP8 Core has been "re-written" from the ground up. Basically putting existing gen 1 & gen 2 device manufacturers & Microsoft in a position, where they need to create new bootloaders to support "Secure Boot" & bitlocker encryption, even if they could magically do that, they've then got to repartition the NAND which stores the OS, RIL firmware, and even the separate update partition. Try bundling that up into an update and pushing it out to existing devices. Short answer is you can't. To repartition the NAND you need to supply a complete device image (FFU), inside the FFU the partition maps are picked up by "updatewp" aka Zune and your device is repartitioned ready for the update. One little tidbit, you've just lost your ENTIRE OS image, data, SMS messages and the Plants vs Zombie saved games you were hanging onto because you'd gotten past the first level. And we all know that you can't backup anything with WP7+ devices :) Now that you've got a device image, you have one, there are 15+ devices out there, each device has the possibility of having a DIFFERENT image for each Mobile Operator, with 300+ MO's out there, you are looking at creating 4500+ complete device images. Do you have any idea how long it takes to create complete device images? Even once you've created one, the MO needs to TEST the image, they find an issue, it's sent back to the handset maker to fix, if it's Microsoft issue, then it goes back up the chain to fix a core issue, then another image is created, and you repeat the process, over & over & over again. Miraculously the MO's have tested and approved the update, you have to cross your fingers, legs, toes & basically anything else when the END USERS are performing a COMPLETE device re-flash. If there was one little stuff up, the user failed to download the update correctly, user was updating his/her device with a shitty 3rd party microUSB cable, they've now got a brick, a brick that can't be recovered. The only possibility of a recover is if they didn't stuff up the bootloader flash, which is generally the first thing that gets flashed, which if something was to go wrong, is the first thing to break. Even having the ability to JTAG a device, it won't recover it (if you are lucky to have a device that it's JTAG isn't locked). Now, you've got a bricked device, that's out of warranty, but bricked because Microsoft & the Handset manufacturers decided to push down an update, even though you ticked a million boxes saying updating it was your fault, the end user still has a whinge, complains to 10+ people about shitty company X & Y because they bricked their phone, they'll also complain to the MO and most likely move to another carrier. If the update was somehow successful, how many people was that end user tell and phrase Microsoft to? Your answer is 1-2. But you are still going to whinge about losing your Plants vs Zombie game saves! Now you've got a commercial issue which is really a cluster f**k of a decision and I've got no idea on how they make those. Make sense? -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 9:13 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year
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Yes this thread will not be upgradable to future versions of this list... Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 8:52 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced You dont write code like that? ... umm.. oh crap, i'm doing it wrong :D hehehe Yeah, maybe its time to call "Time of Thread Death" on this one. Watching you guys haggle this out via forum with nobody from Microsoft jumping in to clarify is like watching two mullet bogans at a bathurst track arguing over Ford vs Holden. It doesn't matter which is right, you just can't but help stare at the mullets. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Ken Schaefer mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com>> wrote: I thought this was ozdotnet, not ozdotpolitics. Anyway, if you want to argue politics, at least have some statistics to back it up. You wouldn't write code that accepted unverified input to produce an output would you? So why expect anything less of anyway else. /peace out Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:13 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next time but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT?
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You dont write code like that? ... umm.. oh crap, i'm doing it wrong :D hehehe Yeah, maybe its time to call "Time of Thread Death" on this one. Watching you guys haggle this out via forum with nobody from Microsoft jumping in to clarify is like watching two mullet bogans at a bathurst track arguing over Ford vs Holden. It doesn't matter which is right, you just can't but help stare at the mullets. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Ken Schaefer wrote: > I thought this was ozdotnet, not ozdotpolitics. > > ** ** > > Anyway, if you want to argue politics, at least have some statistics to > back it up. You wouldn’t write code that accepted unverified input to > produce an output would you? So why expect anything less of anyway else.** > ** > > ** ** > > /peace out > > ** ** > > Cheers > > Ken > > ** ** > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *.net noobie > *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:13 AM > > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > > ** ** > > so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it > > you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next > time > > > > but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT > RIGHT RIGHT? > > >
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I thought this was ozdotnet, not ozdotpolitics. Anyway, if you want to argue politics, at least have some statistics to back it up. You wouldn't write code that accepted unverified input to produce an output would you? So why expect anything less of anyway else. /peace out Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:13 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next time but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT?
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so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next time but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT? On 27 June 2012 21:48, mike smith wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM, .net noobie wrote: > >> No, Bill wrong again >> >> read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they >> are >> >> but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for >> months after they used to wipe the floor >> becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact. >> >> > As opposed to a party that thinks policy is saying no. > > >> i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong >> again, >> you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not >> your problem? lol ;) >> >> > Supporter? No, but I would argue that she represents the lesser of two > evils. > > > > -- > Meski > >http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv > > "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, > you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills > >
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM, .net noobie wrote: > No, Bill wrong again > > read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are > > but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for > months after they used to wipe the floor > becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact. > > As opposed to a party that thinks policy is saying no. > i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong > again, > you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not > your problem? lol ;) > > Supporter? No, but I would argue that she represents the lesser of two evils. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Stephen Price wrote: > HP LaserJet 1000. > Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see > if I can find it now. lol > > Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. > > Want one for spares? -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Stephen Price wrote: > I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when > they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They > Aww. (cries) > abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I > stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably > some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. > > You mean the printers that rely on most of their s/w functionality being in the computer, rather than PS or PDL in the printer? > My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich > update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes > with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing > ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support > calls don't come in when they roll it out? > > I've got a 10.1 Samsung, possibly I don't want ICS if it makes it unstable. If Samsung introduce it, I guess I'll go for it. I wouldn't buy that size again, it's uncomfortable size to use as a ebook. > I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do > this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we > aren't perfect. > Sniff. speak for yourself :) > > The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain > on here on this list or go and do something about it? > > Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy > wrote: > > Hi Stephen, > > > > Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or > > years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure > > the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the > > contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; > > obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the > software > > and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with > > that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year > and > > OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being > > current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such > as > > Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS > > updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. > > > > Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my > own > > phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people > > they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot > > better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for > > the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the > > better. > > > > > > |-Original Message- > > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price > > |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM > > |To: ozDotNet > > |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > > | > > |Why don't you two get a room? :) > > | > > |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have > to > > make > > |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. > > |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I > don't > > think > > |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer > > improved > > |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a > > draw > > |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if > you > > are > > |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the > > contract > > |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the > option > > to > > |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then > > phones > > |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) > > and no > > |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. > > | > > |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. > > Thats > > |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I > have at > > home > > |in the draw somewhere. > > | > > |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that > will > > take. I'm > > |kinda stunned that&
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p.s. i was not picking any fights if you care to read back but nice attempt at a smear On 27 June 2012 19:55, .net noobie wrote: > No, Bill wrong again > > read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are > > but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for > months after they used to wipe the floor > becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact. > > i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong again, > you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not > your problem? lol ;) > > and if you read what i posted on this subject and what I said, > you have no case period, if you like it or not > > you seem to think you can just imply someone is lying about things > becuase they looked/read/listened > to different information than you obviouly have and came up with a > different conclusion > > Not a lot to discuss, the phone is not upgradable, thats it > > if you are upset about it, thats fine... but no need to vent your > anger on me, I am not Microsoft > > > On 27 June 2012 19:24, Stephen Price wrote: >> Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense. >> >> The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there >> were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just >> abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed >> with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples, >> are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is >> plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then >> in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the >> carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is >> now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No >> drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it, >> of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of >> driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing >> support where I have a choice. >> >> I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If >> I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up >> about it. >> >> Disclaimer: I'm human. >> >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: >>> Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had - >>> Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm >>> >>> The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer >>> market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago >>> (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something >>> that old. >>> >>> So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products, >>> yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows >>> Phone? Odd >>> >>> Disclaimer: I work for HP >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ken >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] >>> On Behalf Of Stephen Price >>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM >>> To: ozDotNet >>> Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >>> >>> HP LaserJet 1000. >>> Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I >>> can find it now. lol >>> >>> Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: >>>> What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Ken >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com >>>> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] >>>> On Behalf Of Stephen Price >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM >>>> To: ozDotNet >>>> Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >>>> >>>> I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when >>>> they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They >>>> abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I >>>> stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably >>>> some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. >>>> >>>> My Samsung
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No, Bill wrong again read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for months after they used to wipe the floor becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact. i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong again, you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not your problem? lol ;) and if you read what i posted on this subject and what I said, you have no case period, if you like it or not you seem to think you can just imply someone is lying about things becuase they looked/read/listened to different information than you obviouly have and came up with a different conclusion Not a lot to discuss, the phone is not upgradable, thats it if you are upset about it, thats fine... but no need to vent your anger on me, I am not Microsoft On 27 June 2012 19:24, Stephen Price wrote: > Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense. > > The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there > were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just > abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed > with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples, > are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is > plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then > in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the > carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is > now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No > drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it, > of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of > driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing > support where I have a choice. > > I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If > I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up > about it. > > Disclaimer: I'm human. > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: >> Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had - >> Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm >> >> The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer >> market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago >> (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something >> that old. >> >> So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products, >> yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows >> Phone? Odd >> >> Disclaimer: I work for HP >> >> Cheers >> Ken >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] >> On Behalf Of Stephen Price >> Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM >> To: ozDotNet >> Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> >> HP LaserJet 1000. >> Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I >> can find it now. lol >> >> Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. >> >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: >>> What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ken >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com >>> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] >>> On Behalf Of Stephen Price >>> Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM >>> To: ozDotNet >>> Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >>> >>> I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when >>> they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They >>> abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I >>> stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably >>> some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. >>> >>> My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich >>> update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes >>> with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing >>> ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support >>> calls don't come in when they roll it out? >>> >>> I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do >> this. >>> Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and w
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Apparently XP printer drivers for LJ1000 work in Vista :) http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/itprovistaprinting/thread/9 0bbd29f-6ab8-4192-8bbc-923558781cb5/ http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Printer-All-in-One-Software/HP-Laserjet-1000-to -work-under-VISTA-OS-or-replace-drivers/td-p/313905 HTH Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense. The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples, are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it, of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing support where I have a choice. I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up about it. Disclaimer: I'm human. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: > Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you > had - Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm > > The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer > market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago > (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting > something that old. > > So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient > products, yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy > another Windows Phone? Odd > > Disclaimer: I work for HP > > Cheers > Ken > > -Original Message- > From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com > [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] > On Behalf Of Stephen Price > Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM > To: ozDotNet > Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > > HP LaserJet 1000. > Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see > if I can find it now. lol > > Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: >> What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? >> >> Cheers >> Ken >> >> -Original Message- >> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com >> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] >> On Behalf Of Stephen Price >> Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM >> To: ozDotNet >> Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> >> I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when >> they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. >> They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works >> fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. >> There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. >> >> My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich >> update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes >> with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing >> ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support >> calls don't come in when they roll it out? >> >> I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do > this. >> Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't > perfect. >> >> The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain >> on here on this list or go and do something about it? >> >> Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. >> ;) >> >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy >> wrote: >>> Hi Stephen, >>> >>> Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months >>> or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm >>> pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for >>> the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to
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Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense. The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples, are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it, of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing support where I have a choice. I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up about it. Disclaimer: I'm human. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: > Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had - > Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm > > The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer > market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago > (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something > that old. > > So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products, > yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows > Phone? Odd > > Disclaimer: I work for HP > > Cheers > Ken > > -Original Message- > From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] > On Behalf Of Stephen Price > Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM > To: ozDotNet > Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > > HP LaserJet 1000. > Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I > can find it now. lol > > Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: >> What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? >> >> Cheers >> Ken >> >> -Original Message- >> From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com >> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] >> On Behalf Of Stephen Price >> Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM >> To: ozDotNet >> Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> >> I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when >> they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They >> abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I >> stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably >> some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. >> >> My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich >> update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes >> with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing >> ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support >> calls don't come in when they roll it out? >> >> I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do > this. >> Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't > perfect. >> >> The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain >> on here on this list or go and do something about it? >> >> Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. >> ;) >> >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy >> wrote: >>> Hi Stephen, >>> >>> Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months >>> or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm >>> pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the >>> length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a >>> current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in >>> that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably >>> expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release >>> dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: >>> hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has >>> been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also >>> moving to give that period of currency b
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Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had - Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something that old. So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products, yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows Phone? Odd Disclaimer: I work for HP Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced HP LaserJet 1000. Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I can find it now. lol Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: > What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? > > Cheers > Ken > > -Original Message- > From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com > [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] > On Behalf Of Stephen Price > Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM > To: ozDotNet > Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > > I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when > they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They > abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I > stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably > some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. > > My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich > update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes > with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing > ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support > calls don't come in when they roll it out? > > I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. > Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. > > The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain > on here on this list or go and do something about it? > > Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. > ;) > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy > wrote: >> Hi Stephen, >> >> Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months >> or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm >> pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the >> length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a >> current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in >> that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably >> expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release >> dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: >> hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has >> been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also >> moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg >> Galaxy > II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. >> >> Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of >> my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend >> to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. >> It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be >> worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the >> new devices out the better. >> >> >> |-Original Message- >> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price >> |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM >> |To: ozDotNet >> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> | >> |Why don't you two get a room? :) >> | >> |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't >> |have to >> make >> |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. >> |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I >> |don't >> think >> |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a >> |newer >> improved >> |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up >> |in a >> draw >> |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost
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hehe. found it. I should apologise to HP, it is actually a Toshiba Pocket PC e740. (which is why Toshiba is also on my shit list.). I did own a Palm III before the Toshiba, had no probs with that for what it was. Black and white device. Maybe I should be pissed at Microsoft that it won't run Windows 8? They didn't think this through did they? You'll probably tell me that Windows 8 will install on the Toshiba yeah? awesome... That *would* be impressive! On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: > What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? > > Cheers > Ken > > -Original Message- > From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] > On Behalf Of Stephen Price > Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM > To: ozDotNet > Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > > I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they > abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned > my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with > windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print > somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. > > My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich > update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with > that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are > they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in > when they roll it out? > > I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. > Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. > > The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here > on this list or go and do something about it? > > Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy > wrote: >> Hi Stephen, >> >> Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months >> or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm >> pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the >> length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a >> current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in >> that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect >> to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates >> of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence >> you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been >> all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also >> moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy > II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. >> >> Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of >> my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend >> to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. >> It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be >> worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the >> new devices out the better. >> >> >> |-Original Message- >> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price >> |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM >> |To: ozDotNet >> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> | >> |Why don't you two get a room? :) >> | >> |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't >> |have to >> make >> |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. >> |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I >> |don't >> think >> |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer >> improved >> |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in >> |a >> draw >> |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing >> |(if you >> are >> |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of >> |the >> contract >> |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the >> |option >> to >> |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old >> |then >> phones >> |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay >> |elsewhere) >> and no >> |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. >> | >> |I, for example, h
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HP LaserJet 1000. Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I can find it now. lol Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote: > What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? > > Cheers > Ken > > -Original Message- > From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] > On Behalf Of Stephen Price > Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM > To: ozDotNet > Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > > I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they > abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned > my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with > windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print > somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. > > My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich > update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with > that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are > they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in > when they roll it out? > > I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. > Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. > > The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here > on this list or go and do something about it? > > Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy > wrote: >> Hi Stephen, >> >> Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months >> or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm >> pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the >> length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a >> current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in >> that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect >> to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates >> of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence >> you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been >> all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also >> moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy > II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. >> >> Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of >> my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend >> to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. >> It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be >> worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the >> new devices out the better. >> >> >> |-Original Message- >> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price >> |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM >> |To: ozDotNet >> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> | >> |Why don't you two get a room? :) >> | >> |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't >> |have to >> make >> |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. >> |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I >> |don't >> think >> |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer >> improved >> |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in >> |a >> draw >> |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing >> |(if you >> are >> |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of >> |the >> contract >> |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the >> |option >> to >> |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old >> |then >> phones >> |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay >> |elsewhere) >> and no >> |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. >> | >> |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. >> Thats >> |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I >> |have at >> home >> |in the draw somewhere. >> | >> |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a questio
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For Microsoft it will hurt phone sales. Depending how well WinRT tablets sell will be the pre-curser to the phone moving again. I think it will be a bit of a mixed bag with Windows 8. There'll probably be some push back from desktop based environments, but the exception to that will be businesses using a lot of devices where the phone and tablet do a make a compelling reason to standardise on the platform. With Windows 8, again a lot of people think Microsoft could have made it a lot better experience for Windows users without sacrificing any of the immersive experience for tablet users. For Windows Phone 8, many also think Microsoft could have done a lot better job. The Windows 8 core should however, combined with the negative feedback they've got on the lack of upgrade, really make it a lot less likely the same mistakes will be made again. As to the discussion on this list, I think it would have been over long ago if it weren't for some claiming everyone should have known better, or others claiming it was okay due to starving people elsewhere in the world ;) It would have been nice to see some technical discussion as to what the hurdles are to providing the upgrade to existing devices. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 9:25 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they |abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my |laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It |actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere |saying to bad, I'm on my own there. | |My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I |could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of |their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it |work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? | |I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be |the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. | |The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on |this list or go and do something about it? | |Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) | |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy | wrote: |> Hi Stephen, |> |> Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months |> or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm |> pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the |> length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a |> current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in |> that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect |> to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates |> of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence |> you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been |> all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also |> moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy |II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. |> |> Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of |> my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend |> to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. |> It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be |> worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the |> new devices out the better. |> |> |> |-Original Message- |> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |> |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM |> |To: ozDotNet |> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced |> | |> |Why don't you two get a room? :) |> | |> |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't |> |have to |> make |> |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. |> |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I |> |don't |> think |> |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer |> improved |> |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in |> |a |> draw |> |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing |> |(if you |> are |> |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of |> |the |> contract |> |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get
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What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot? Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months > or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm > pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the > length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a > current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in > that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect > to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates > of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence > you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been > all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also > moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. > > Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of > my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend > to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. > It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be > worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the > new devices out the better. > > > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price > |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |Why don't you two get a room? :) > | > |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't > |have to > make > |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. > |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I > |don't > think > |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer > improved > |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in > |a > draw > |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing > |(if you > are > |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of > |the > contract > |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the > |option > to > |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old > |then > phones > |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay > |elsewhere) > and no > |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. > | > |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. > Thats > |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I > |have at > home > |in the draw somewhere. > | > |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that > |will > take. I'm > |kinda stunned that's news. > | > |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what > |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. > |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I > |don't > care. It's > |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! > We'll all > |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp > |breath, > and > |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people > |walki
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you're face is a chicken :) --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:06 PM, mike smith wrote: > your, not you're :) > > Mike > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Scott Barnes wrote: > >> No you're face is a chicken. >> --- >> Regards, >> Scott Barnes >> http://www.riagenic.com >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Stephen Price > > wrote: >> >>> Why don't you two get a room? :) >>> >>> In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't >>> have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. >>> They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I >>> don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone >>> for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority >>> of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The >>> phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your >>> phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't >>> make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to >>> a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are >>> not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) >>> and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. >>> >>> I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone >>> 7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many >>> phones I have at home in the draw somewhere. >>> >>> Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that >>> will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news. >>> >>> As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what >>> assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or >>> not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking >>> sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on >>> this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If >>> you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know, >>> outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without >>> computers n stuff. :) >>> We're all in this together, ya know. >>> >>> And Go. >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie >>> wrote: >>> > what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? >>> > >>> > you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? >>> > >>> > over a telephone??? >>> > >>> > I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks >>> > >>> > >>> > On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Hi David Thiessen, >>> >> >>> >> |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think >>> it >>> >> is >>> >> | >>> >> |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not >>> buy him a >>> >> lollie in >>> >> |the supermarket >>> >> | >>> >> |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed >>> >> | >>> >> |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss >>> this face >>> >> to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> > > > -- > Meski > >http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv > > "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, > you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills > >
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there. My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out? I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect. The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here on this list or go and do something about it? Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;) On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or > years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure > the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the > contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; > obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software > and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with > that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and > OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being > current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as > Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS > updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. > > Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own > phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people > they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot > better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for > the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the > better. > > > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price > |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |Why don't you two get a room? :) > | > |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have to > make > |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. > |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I don't > think > |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer > improved > |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a > draw > |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if you > are > |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the > contract > |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option > to > |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then > phones > |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) > and no > |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. > | > |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. > Thats > |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I have at > home > |in the draw somewhere. > | > |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that will > take. I'm > |kinda stunned that's news. > | > |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what > |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. > |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I don't > care. It's > |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! > We'll all > |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp breath, > and > |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people walking > about > |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. > | > |And Go. > | > |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie > |wrote: > |> what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? > |> > |> you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? > |> > |> over a telephone???
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
Damn you. You had to bring my face into it and make it personal! On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Scott Barnes wrote: > No you're face is a chicken. > --- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.riagenic.com > > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Stephen Price > wrote: >> >> Why don't you two get a room? :) >> >> In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't >> have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. >> They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I >> don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone >> for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority >> of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The >> phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your >> phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't >> make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to >> a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are >> not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) >> and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. >> >> I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone >> 7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many >> phones I have at home in the draw somewhere. >> >> Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that >> will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news. >> >> As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what >> assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or >> not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking >> sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on >> this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If >> you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know, >> outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without >> computers n stuff. :) >> We're all in this together, ya know. >> >> And Go. >> >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie >> wrote: >> > what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? >> > >> > you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? >> > >> > over a telephone??? >> > >> > I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks >> > >> > >> > On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi David Thiessen, >> >> >> >> |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think >> >> it >> >> is >> >> | >> >> |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy >> >> him a >> >> lollie in >> >> |the supermarket >> >> | >> >> |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed >> >> | >> >> |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe >> >> >> >> >> >> Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss this >> >> face >> >> to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com >> >> >> >> > >
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Hi Stephen, Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being current. Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II). For Windows Phone there isn't that. Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the better. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Why don't you two get a room? :) | |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have to make |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I don't think |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer improved |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a draw |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if you are |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) and no |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. | |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I have at home |in the draw somewhere. | |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that will take. I'm |kinda stunned that's news. | |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I don't care. It's |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people walking about |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. | |And Go. | |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie |wrote: |> what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? |> |> you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? |> |> over a telephone??? |> |> I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks |> |> |> On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy wrote: |>> |>> Hi David Thiessen, |>> |>> |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think |>> |it |>> is |>> | |>> |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not |>> |buy him a |>> lollie in |>> |the supermarket |>> | |>> |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed |>> | |>> |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe |>> |>> |>> Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss |>> this face to face feel free to email me directly at |>> b...@totalenviro.com |>> |>>
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your, not you're :) Mike On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Scott Barnes wrote: > No you're face is a chicken. > --- > Regards, > Scott Barnes > http://www.riagenic.com > > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Stephen Price > wrote: > >> Why don't you two get a room? :) >> >> In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't >> have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. >> They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I >> don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone >> for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority >> of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The >> phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your >> phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't >> make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to >> a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are >> not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) >> and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. >> >> I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone >> 7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many >> phones I have at home in the draw somewhere. >> >> Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that >> will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news. >> >> As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what >> assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or >> not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking >> sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on >> this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If >> you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know, >> outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without >> computers n stuff. :) >> We're all in this together, ya know. >> >> And Go. >> >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie >> wrote: >> > what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? >> > >> > you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? >> > >> > over a telephone??? >> > >> > I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks >> > >> > >> > On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi David Thiessen, >> >> >> >> |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think >> it >> >> is >> >> | >> >> |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy >> him a >> >> lollie in >> >> |the supermarket >> >> | >> >> |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed >> >> | >> >> |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe >> >> >> >> >> >> Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss >> this face >> >> to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
No you're face is a chicken. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Stephen Price wrote: > Why don't you two get a room? :) > > In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't > have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. > They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I > don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone > for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority > of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The > phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your > phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't > make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to > a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are > not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) > and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. > > I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone > 7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many > phones I have at home in the draw somewhere. > > Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that > will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news. > > As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what > assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or > not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking > sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on > this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If > you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know, > outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without > computers n stuff. :) > We're all in this together, ya know. > > And Go. > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie > wrote: > > what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? > > > > you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? > > > > over a telephone??? > > > > I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks > > > > > > On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy > wrote: > >> > >> Hi David Thiessen, > >> > >> |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it > >> is > >> | > >> |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy > him a > >> lollie in > >> |the supermarket > >> | > >> |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed > >> | > >> |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe > >> > >> > >> Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss this > face > >> to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com > >> > >> >
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
Why don't you two get a room? :) In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible. They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere) and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade. I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I have at home in the draw somewhere. Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news. As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know. And Go. On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie wrote: > what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? > > you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? > > over a telephone??? > > I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks > > > On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy wrote: >> >> Hi David Thiessen, >> >> |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it >> is >> | >> |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a >> lollie in >> |the supermarket >> | >> |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed >> | >> |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe >> >> >> Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss this face >> to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com >> >>
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
what you not happy to basically call me a liar on the list? you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight? over a telephone??? I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy wrote: > > Hi David Thiessen, > > |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it > is > | > |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a > lollie in > |the supermarket > | > |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed > | > |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe > > > Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss this face > to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com > >
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Hi David Thiessen, |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is | |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a lollie in |the supermarket | |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed | |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe Okay, that's EOC here. If you want to email me of list or discuss this face to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
but i am glad you scoured the complete internet and analisyed everything as I said before the podcast I listen to has a guy who has mates in the phone team, he has been saying for months and months he did not think would be able to upgrade and offered many reasons... so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a lollie in the supermarket On 27 June 2012 13:42, .net noobie wrote: > yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed > > you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe > > On 27 June 2012 13:17, Bill McCarthy wrote: >> LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one. >> There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as >> cited, there was plenty of people "informed" who thought it would be an >> upgrade. Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not >> as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that >> guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references >> to what made your guess informed. >> >> Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead >> donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so >> shocked anymore ;) >> >> |-Original Message- >> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie >> |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM >> |To: ozDotNet >> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> | >> |yeah, so i said what i said... "rumours" >> | >> |but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have >> been >> |more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not >> |be happening >> | >> |if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way >> but >> |it was not ment to upset you or anyone else >> | >> | >> | >> |On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy >> wrote: >> |> I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like >> |> dead donkey), >> |> >> |> |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but >> |> |rumours/speculation >> |> >> |> Yes this is what you said: >> |> >> |>>>So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people >> |>>>seem >> |> to so upset, >> |>>> everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while >> |>>> would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update >> |>>> wp7 device to >> |> wp8 >> |> >> |> To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns >> |> about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't >> |> be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was >> |> speculation both ways. >> |> >> |> I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP >> |> between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them >> |> probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps >> |> until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. >> |> >> |> >> |> >> |> |-Original Message- >> |> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie >> |> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM >> |> |To: ozDotNet >> |> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> |> | >> |> |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but >> |> |rumours/speculation >> |> | >> |> |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the >> |> |argumet >> |> | >> |> |I then said I made my "Asumptions/Guess" from them, >> |> | >> |> |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself >> |> | >> |> |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I >> |> read/saw/listened >> |> |to a year+ ago >> |> | >> |> |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they >> |> |are >> |> going to >> |> |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all >> |> running the >> |> |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the >> |> abilities/
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe On 27 June 2012 13:17, Bill McCarthy wrote: > LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one. > There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as > cited, there was plenty of people "informed" who thought it would be an > upgrade. Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not > as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that > guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references > to what made your guess informed. > > Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead > donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so > shocked anymore ;) > > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie > |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |yeah, so i said what i said... "rumours" > | > |but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have > been > |more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not > |be happening > | > |if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way > but > |it was not ment to upset you or anyone else > | > | > | > |On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy > wrote: > |> I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like > |> dead donkey), > |> > |> |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but > |> |rumours/speculation > |> > |> Yes this is what you said: > |> > |>>>So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people > |>>>seem > |> to so upset, > |>>> everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while > |>>> would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update > |>>> wp7 device to > |> wp8 > |> > |> To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns > |> about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't > |> be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was > |> speculation both ways. > |> > |> I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP > |> between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them > |> probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps > |> until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. > |> > |> > |> > |> |-Original Message- > |> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie > |> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM > |> |To: ozDotNet > |> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > |> | > |> |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but > |> |rumours/speculation > |> | > |> |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the > |> |argumet > |> | > |> |I then said I made my "Asumptions/Guess" from them, > |> | > |> |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself > |> | > |> |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I > |> read/saw/listened > |> |to a year+ ago > |> | > |> |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they > |> |are > |> going to > |> |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all > |> running the > |> |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the > |> abilities/features > |> |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity > |> |stuff > |> etc > |> |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe > |> |this > |> will be > |> |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if > |> |it is > |> correct i > |> |don't know > |> | > |> |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their > |> |box > |> | > |> |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice > |> |cover > |> and claim > |> |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory > |> |in > |> china with, > |> |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers > |> | > |> | > |> | > |> | > |> | > |>
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one. There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as cited, there was plenty of people "informed" who thought it would be an upgrade. Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references to what made your guess informed. Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so shocked anymore ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |yeah, so i said what i said... "rumours" | |but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have been |more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not |be happening | |if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way but |it was not ment to upset you or anyone else | | | |On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy wrote: |> I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like |> dead donkey), |> |> |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but |> |rumours/speculation |> |> Yes this is what you said: |> |>>>So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people |>>>seem |> to so upset, |>>> everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while |>>> would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update |>>> wp7 device to |> wp8 |> |> To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns |> about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't |> be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was |> speculation both ways. |> |> I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP |> between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them |> probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps |> until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. |> |> |> |> |-Original Message----- |> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM |> |To: ozDotNet |> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced |> | |> |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but |> |rumours/speculation |> | |> |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the |> |argumet |> | |> |I then said I made my "Asumptions/Guess" from them, |> | |> |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself |> | |> |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I |> read/saw/listened |> |to a year+ ago |> | |> |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they |> |are |> going to |> |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all |> running the |> |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the |> abilities/features |> |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity |> |stuff |> etc |> |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe |> |this |> will be |> |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if |> |it is |> correct i |> |don't know |> | |> |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their |> |box |> | |> |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice |> |cover |> and claim |> |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory |> |in |> china with, |> |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers |> | |> | |> | |> | |> | |> |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy |> | |> wrote: |> |> Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, |> |> and one of the responses marked as an answer said "yes the lumia |> |> would be upgradable to win8" |> |> |> |> Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. |> |> Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when |> |> there was a lot of speculation over the same thing: |> |> http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-ge |> |> t-a |> |> pollo |> |> |> |> Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that |> |> it would upgrade. |&
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
yeah, so i said what i said... "rumours" but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have been more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not be happening if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way but it was not ment to upset you or anyone else On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy wrote: > I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like dead > donkey), > > |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but > |rumours/speculation > > Yes this is what you said: > >>>So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem > to so upset, >>> everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be >>> totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to > wp8 > > To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns about > the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't be a shock > to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was speculation both > ways. > > I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP between > now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them probably don't > know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps until they try to load > the latest games/apps and can't. > > > > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie > |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but > |rumours/speculation > | > |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet > | > |I then said I made my "Asumptions/Guess" from them, > | > |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself > | > |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I > read/saw/listened > |to a year+ ago > | > |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they are > going to > |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all > running the > |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the > abilities/features > |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff > etc > |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe this > will be > |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if it is > correct i > |don't know > | > |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box > | > |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice cover > and claim > |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory in > china with, > |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers > | > | > | > | > | > |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy > wrote: > |> Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and > |> one of the responses marked as an answer said "yes the lumia would be > |> upgradable to win8" > |> > |> Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. > |> Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there > |> was a lot of speculation over the same thing: > |> http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-a > |> pollo > |> > |> Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it > |> would upgrade. > |> > |> And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running > |> on a currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it > |> can't be done is clearly wrong. > |> > |> But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim > |> people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. > |> Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average > |> consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a > |> Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. > |> If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5 > |> (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta. > |> > |> The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft > |> has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. > |> Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. > |> Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like dead donkey), |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but |rumours/speculation Yes this is what you said: >>So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to so upset, >> everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be >> totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8 To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't be a shock to them. Clearly when you look at the facts there was speculation both ways. I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but |rumours/speculation | |I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet | |I then said I made my "Asumptions/Guess" from them, | |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself | |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I read/saw/listened |to a year+ ago | |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they are going to |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all running the |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the abilities/features |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff etc |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe this will be |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if it is correct i |don't know | |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box | |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice cover and claim |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory in china with, |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers | | | | | |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy wrote: |> Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and |> one of the responses marked as an answer said "yes the lumia would be |> upgradable to win8" |> |> Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. |> Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there |> was a lot of speculation over the same thing: |> http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-a |> pollo |> |> Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it |> would upgrade. |> |> And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running |> on a currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it |> can't be done is clearly wrong. |> |> But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim |> people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. |> Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average |> consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a |> Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. |> If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5 |> (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta. |> |> The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft |> has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. |> Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. |> Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no |> wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small market |> share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming months). |> |> It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) |> |> |> |> |-Original Message- |> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM |> |To: ozDotNet |> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced |> | |> |nov 2011 |> |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- |> |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b- |> |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a |> | |> |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before |> | |> |talking to people on twitter |> | |> |etc, |> | |> |the net is a big place
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Personally, I think the cross-platform (phone/tablet/PC) compatibility and core code in the Win8 -generation OS is a marketing advantage (and probably a convenience / usability advantage, and a technical advantage), too. In building corporate acceptance, the possible demise of Blackberry will help, and Microsoft's ($US1.2bn) purchase of Yamma with a reported re-purposing as a private social network for corporates is also a wise move imho (but I'm not an IT tycoon or a clairvoyant). Regarding the dumping of the Kin device they bought, probably a good move. Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:58 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but rumours/speculation I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet I then said I made my "Asumptions/Guess" from them, I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I read/saw/listened to a year+ ago I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they are going to have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all running the same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the abilities/features of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff etc etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe this will be somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if it is correct i don't know I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice cover and claim it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory in china with, then charge 3 times it's value to suckers On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy wrote: > Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and one of > the responses marked as an answer said "yes the lumia would be upgradable to > win8" > > Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. Let's jump > forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there was a lot of > speculation over the same thing: > http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-apollo > > Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it would > upgrade. > > And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running on a > currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it can't be > done is clearly wrong. > > But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim people > knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. Clearly a lot > of people thought it would. And for the average consumer, I think they'd > expect the same. If I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's > getting updated to ICS tomorrow. If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you > can update it to iOS 5 (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in > beta. > > The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft has > begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. Win mobile > just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. Just how high do > they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no wonder that although WP is > really nice it remains such a small market share (and most likely to plummet > even further over the coming months). > > It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) > > > > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie > |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |nov 2011 > |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- > |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b- > |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a > | > |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before > | > |talking to people on twitter > | > |etc, > | > |the net is a big place > | > |I said rumors on blogs... not major review sites > | > |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a > year ago > |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking > the > |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it > | > | > | > | > |On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy > wrote: > |> That wasn&#
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but rumours/speculation I then said the rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet I then said I made my "Asumptions/Guess" from them, I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I read/saw/listened to a year+ ago I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they are going to have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all running the same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the abilities/features of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff etc etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe this will be somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if it is correct i don't know I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice cover and claim it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory in china with, then charge 3 times it's value to suckers On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy wrote: > Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and one of > the responses marked as an answer said "yes the lumia would be upgradable to > win8" > > Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. Let's jump > forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there was a lot of > speculation over the same thing: > http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-apollo > > Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it would > upgrade. > > And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running on a > currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it can't be > done is clearly wrong. > > But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim people > knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. Clearly a lot > of people thought it would. And for the average consumer, I think they'd > expect the same. If I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's > getting updated to ICS tomorrow. If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you > can update it to iOS 5 (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in > beta. > > The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft has > begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. Win mobile > just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. Just how high do > they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no wonder that although WP is > really nice it remains such a small market share (and most likely to plummet > even further over the coming months). > > It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) > > > > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie > |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |nov 2011 > |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- > |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b- > |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a > | > |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before > | > |talking to people on twitter > | > |etc, > | > |the net is a big place > | > |I said rumors on blogs... not major review sites > | > |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a > year ago > |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking > the > |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it > | > | > | > | > |On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy > wrote: > |> That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some > |> references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top > |> listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming but none > |> that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall > |> seeing any phone reviews that in their review of the latest WP said > |> there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be upgradable. > |> > |> |-Original Message- > |> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie > |> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM > |> |To: ozDotNet > |> |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > |> | > |> |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what > |> |podcas
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and one of the responses marked as an answer said "yes the lumia would be upgradable to win8" Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there was a lot of speculation over the same thing: http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-apollo Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it would upgrade. And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running on a currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it can't be done is clearly wrong. But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow. If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5 (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta. The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX. Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ? Really, it's no wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small market share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming months). It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |nov 2011 |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7- |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b- |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a | |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before | |talking to people on twitter | |etc, | |the net is a big place | |I said rumors on blogs... not major review sites | |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a year ago |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking the |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it | | | | |On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy wrote: |> That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some |> references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top |> listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming but none |> that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall |> seeing any phone reviews that in their review of the latest WP said |> there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be upgradable. |> |> |-Original Message- |> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie |> |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM |> |To: ozDotNet |> |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced |> | |> |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what |> |podcast, |> etc |> | |> |I was not talking about the smart phone market |> | |> |Sent from my Windows Phone |> | |> | |> | |> |From: mike smith |> |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00 |> |To: ozDotNet |> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced |> | |> | |> |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie |> |wrote: |> | |> | |> | Well, this is not a compitition |> | |> | |> |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :) |> | |> | |> | |> | and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the |> impression |> |quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 |> |devices |> to |> |wp8, |> | I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to |> |the one |> podcast i |> |mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people |> |debating |> it as far |> |back as mid to end of 2011 |> | |> | I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you |> | would |> be |> |able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either? |> | |> | |> |I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get |> |some |> form of |> |recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a |> |new release. |> | |> | |> | |> | If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 |> | OS, I |> have |> |no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS |> |wanted |> to |> |basically run win8 on a phone... |> | I no
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
nov 2011 http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7-wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b-d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before talking to people on twitter etc, the net is a big place I said rumors on blogs... not major review sites but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a year ago but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking the arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy wrote: > That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some references > as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top listed sites at best > could say there were big changes coming but none that suggested the latest > phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall seeing any phone reviews that in > their review of the latest WP said there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be > upgradable. > > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie > |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what podcast, > etc > | > |I was not talking about the smart phone market > | > |Sent from my Windows Phone > | > |____________ > | > |From: mike smith > |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00 > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > | > |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie > |wrote: > | > | > | Well, this is not a compitition > | > | > |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :) > | > | > | > | and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the > impression > |quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices > to > |wp8, > | I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one > podcast i > |mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people debating > it as far > |back as mid to end of 2011 > | > | I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would > be > |able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either? > | > | > |I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some > form of > |recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a new > |release. > | > | > | > | If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I > have > |no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted > to > |basically run win8 on a phone... > | I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess > | > | > | > | > |Or were they pressured by carriers? They more often support handset churn > than > |the SW manufacturers. From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing to > gain and > |everything to lose by doing this. (I exaggerate a bit) > | > | but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i > maybe > |wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5? > | > | Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you > just > |got a new phone, > | I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, > but I > |guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already > | > | > | > | > |I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8, > and that > |they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way Apple do, > and > |Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line) Got an answer for > that, > |Microsoft dudes? > | > | > | > | On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith wrote: > | > | > | A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for > those > |that bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months. It might take the bitter taste > away for > |them, somewhat. > | > | Mike > | > | > | On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie > | wrote: > | > | > | I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they > been > |saying it for > | months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people > claimig > |that it would > | be upgradable > | > | but I personally did not expect you would be able to > |upgrade, becuase > | I was thinking the the phone was also going to try > and >
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming but none that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall seeing any phone reviews that in their review of the latest WP said there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be upgradable. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what podcast, etc | |I was not talking about the smart phone market | |Sent from my Windows Phone | | | |From: mike smith |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00 |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie |wrote: | | | Well, this is not a compitition | | |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :) | | | | and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the impression |quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices to |wp8, | I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one podcast i |mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people debating it as far |back as mid to end of 2011 | | I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would be |able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either? | | |I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some form of |recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a new |release. | | | | If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I have |no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted to |basically run win8 on a phone... | I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess | | | | |Or were they pressured by carriers? They more often support handset churn than |the SW manufacturers. From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing to gain and |everything to lose by doing this. (I exaggerate a bit) | | but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i maybe |wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5? | | Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you just |got a new phone, | I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, but I |guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already | | | | |I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8, and that |they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way Apple do, and |Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line) Got an answer for that, |Microsoft dudes? | | | | On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith wrote: | | | A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those |that bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months. It might take the bitter taste away for |them, somewhat. | | Mike | | | On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie | wrote: | | | I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been |saying it for | months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig |that it would | be upgradable | | but I personally did not expect you would be able to |upgrade, becuase | I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and |use the same | core as win8, so the phone would be different and |current phones most | likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did |expect if | the phone was more like "windows" that they would be |able to still run | the old apps | | but if you google you will see people saying will not be |upgradable | from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS |could not | cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off | | | | | | -- | Meski | | | | http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv | | "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. |Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills | | | | | | |-- |Meski | | | http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv | |"Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, |but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what podcast, etc I was not talking about the smart phone market Sent from my Windows Phone -- From: mike smith Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00 To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie wrote: > Well, this is not a compitition > Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :) > and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the impression > quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices > to wp8, > I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one > podcast i mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people > debating it as far back as mid to end of 2011 > > I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would be > able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either? > I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some form of recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a new release. > > If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I have no > idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted to > basically run win8 on a phone... > I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess > > Or were they pressured by carriers? They more often support handset churn than the SW manufacturers. From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing this. (I exaggerate a bit) > but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i maybe > wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5? > > Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you just got > a new phone, > I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, but I > guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already > > > I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8, and that they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way Apple do, and Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line) Got an answer for that, Microsoft dudes? > > On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith wrote: > >> A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those that >> bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months. It might take the bitter taste away >> for them, somewhat. >> >> Mike >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie wrote: >> >>> I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for >>> months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would >>> be upgradable >>> >>> but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase >>> I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same >>> core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most >>> likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if >>> the phone was more like "windows" that they would be able to still run >>> the old apps >>> >>> but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable >>> from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not >>> cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Meski >> >>http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv >> >> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, >> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills >> >> > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
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On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie wrote: > Well, this is not a compitition > Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :) > and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the impression > quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices > to wp8, > I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one > podcast i mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people > debating it as far back as mid to end of 2011 > > I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would be > able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either? > I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some form of recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a new release. > > If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I have no > idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted to > basically run win8 on a phone... > I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess > > Or were they pressured by carriers? They more often support handset churn than the SW manufacturers. From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing this. (I exaggerate a bit) > but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i maybe > wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5? > > Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you just got > a new phone, > I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, but I > guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already > > > I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8, and that they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way Apple do, and Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line) Got an answer for that, Microsoft dudes? > > On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith wrote: > >> A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those that >> bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months. It might take the bitter taste away >> for them, somewhat. >> >> Mike >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie wrote: >> >>> I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for >>> months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would >>> be upgradable >>> >>> but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase >>> I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same >>> core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most >>> likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if >>> the phone was more like "windows" that they would be able to still run >>> the old apps >>> >>> but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable >>> from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not >>> cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Meski >> >>http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv >> >> "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, >> you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills >> >> > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
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Well, this is not a compitition and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the impression quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices to wp8, I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one podcast i mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people debating it as far back as mid to end of 2011 I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would be able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either? If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I have no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted to basically run win8 on a phone... I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i maybe wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5? Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you just got a new phone, I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, but I guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith wrote: > A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those that > bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months. It might take the bitter taste away > for them, somewhat. > > Mike > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie wrote: > >> I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for >> months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would >> be upgradable >> >> but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase >> I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same >> core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most >> likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if >> the phone was more like "windows" that they would be able to still run >> the old apps >> >> but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable >> from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not >> cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off >> > > > > -- > Meski > >http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv > > "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, > you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills > >
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A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those that bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months. It might take the bitter taste away for them, somewhat. Mike On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie wrote: > I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for > months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would > be upgradable > > but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase > I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same > core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most > likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if > the phone was more like "windows" that they would be able to still run > the old apps > > but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable > from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not > cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
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Like I said, I do read technology news/blogs/ mags a bit and never saw any mention of it not being upgradable. I did also google and set the time frame back to pre April and also didn't see any major trend or sites saying it wouldn't be upgradable. Take your time and pick your best top 5 sources from pre April that stated that. The notion of "not enough grunt" I heard in a podcast yesterday and is utter bullsh*t as far as I am concerned. The current 1.4 Ghz single core processors aren't significantly behind the dual cores at 1.5 (1.7 I think is the fastest snapdragon in production). If a 1.4 **can't** run it then a 1.5 dual core ain't going to be much of a user experience. But again, that "argument" of it not having enough grunt is one of the rumours and not something I've heard from any Microsoft or Nokia source. In fact, I'd say the entire discussions over the reasons why have been devoid of technical merit. If there was a decent technical reason I doubt you'd see as many people "upset". |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie |Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 2:46 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for months, |blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would be upgradable | |but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase I was |thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same core as win8, so |the phone would be different and current phones most likely would not have the |grunt to really do it, but i did expect if the phone was more like "windows" that |they would be able to still run the old apps | |but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable from mid to |end of last year, while others saying that MS could not cut off wp7 people |becuase would kill the phone off
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I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would be upgradable but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if the phone was more like "windows" that they would be able to still run the old apps but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Ha... in my days we have multi functional devices called pencils that allowed you to take notes, write mail, and dial on the latest rotary dial phones ! These days the lawns aren't safe to sit on due to sneaky silent robot mowers and popup sprinklers ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith |Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 12:09 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |In my days PDA's didn't have phones in them. | |PS: get off of my lawn! :) | | |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Bill McCarthy | wrote: | | | Hey Nick, | | I guess this must be a bit like first timers compared to old timers. For the | new inmates the shower experience is going to leave them screaming for |a | while but for the inmates who've been in for a while it's just another mild | pain in the a*** ;) | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph | |Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:48 AM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | |Ken | | | | | | | |Just be happy you're getting new start screen tiles - sorry but wtf, who | | cares. | | | | | | | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows |Phone | |Development | +61 412 413 425 | |@btroam The information contained in this | |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not | disclose | |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd |does | not | |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or | opinions | |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or |opinions of | Built | |to Roam Pty Ltd. | | | | | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer | |Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:42 AM | |To: 'ozDotNet' | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | | | | |People are upset because they bought an expensive WP7 handset two |weeks | ago, | |and then last week Microsoft says that they'll be obsolete in 3 months' | time. | | | | | | | |As for iPhones, at least Apple has some support for older devices. The | original | |iPad is upgradeable to iOS5. The iPhone 4 is still upgradeable to |whatever | the | |iPhone 4S is running. | | | | | | | |Cheers | | | |Ken | | | | | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen | |Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | | | | |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem |to | so | |upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a |while | would | |be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device | to wp8 | | | |if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device... | | | |It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4 | | | |Sent from my Windows Phone | | | | | | | |From: Nick Randolph | |Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54 | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will | continue | |to work on wp8. | | | | | | | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows |Phone | |Development | +61 412 413 425 | |@btroam The information contained in this | |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not | disclose | |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd |does | not | |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or | opinions | |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or |opinions of | Built | |to Roam Pty Ltd. | | | | | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen | |Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | | | | |I have whatsapp on WP7, works well | | | |Apps that run on wp7 will also run on
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Hi David, | was rumours for quite a while would |be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8 Really ? I can't say I saw any such rumours and I read a reasonable amount of tech news every day. In fact as I posted in my blog, I read the Windows 8 team blog where they showed they used existing phones to do their initial Windows RT testing on. Where were these early "rumours" ? And what of customers today? Shouldn't they be warned: I bet you they aren't except for the people who are "complaining". Sad that the customer awareness has to come from rumours of rumours and those that are "complainers". |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen |Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to so |upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would |be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8 | |if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device... | |It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4 | |Sent from my Windows Phone | | | |From: Nick Randolph |Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54 |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will continue |to work on wp8. | | | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP Windows Phone |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built |to Roam Pty Ltd. | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen |Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |I have whatsapp on WP7, works well | |Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct? | |Sent from my Windows Phone | | | |From: Ken Schaefer |Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43 |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. | | | |All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, |have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, |Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) | | | |Cheers |Ken | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | | |On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy |wrote: | |To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have led |to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ? | | | | | |I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping |centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. |But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks | | | |2 x iPhone (black & white) | |10 x Android | |1 (maybe 2) x WP7 | | | |Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can |get away with it because they are so well known now. | | | |Craig.
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In my days PDA's didn't have phones in them. PS: get off of my lawn! :) On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Bill McCarthy < bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > Hey Nick, > > I guess this must be a bit like first timers compared to old timers. For > the > new inmates the shower experience is going to leave them screaming for a > while but for the inmates who've been in for a while it's just another mild > pain in the a*** ;) > > > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph > |Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:48 AM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |Ken > | > | > | > |Just be happy you're getting new start screen tiles - sorry but wtf, who > cares. > | > | > | > |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone > |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this > |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not > disclose > |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd > does > not > |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or > opinions > |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions > of > Built > |to Roam Pty Ltd. > | > | > | > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer > |Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:42 AM > |To: 'ozDotNet' > |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > | > | > |People are upset because they bought an expensive WP7 handset two weeks > ago, > |and then last week Microsoft says that they'll be obsolete in 3 months' > time. > | > | > | > |As for iPhones, at least Apple has some support for older devices. The > original > |iPad is upgradeable to iOS5. The iPhone 4 is still upgradeable to whatever > the > |iPhone 4S is running. > | > | > | > |Cheers > | > |Ken > | > | > | > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen > |Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > | > | > |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem > to > so > |upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while > would > |be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device > to wp8 > | > |if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device... > | > |It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4 > | > |Sent from my Windows Phone > | > | > | > |From: Nick Randolph > |Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54 > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will > continue > |to work on wp8. > | > | > | > |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone > |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this > |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not > disclose > |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd > does > not > |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or > opinions > |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions > of > Built > |to Roam Pty Ltd. > | > | > | > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen > |Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > | > | > |I have whatsapp on WP7, works well > | > |Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct? > | > |Sent from my Windows Phone > | > | > | > |From: Ken Schaefer > |Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43 > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. > | > | > | > |All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each > other, > |have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, > |Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) > | > | > | > |Cheers > |Ken > | > | > | > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk > |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: Re: Wind
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Hey Nick, I guess this must be a bit like first timers compared to old timers. For the new inmates the shower experience is going to leave them screaming for a while but for the inmates who've been in for a while it's just another mild pain in the a*** ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:48 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Ken | | | |Just be happy you're getting new start screen tiles - sorry but wtf, who cares. | | | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built |to Roam Pty Ltd. | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer |Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:42 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |People are upset because they bought an expensive WP7 handset two weeks ago, |and then last week Microsoft says that they'll be obsolete in 3 months' time. | | | |As for iPhones, at least Apple has some support for older devices. The original |iPad is upgradeable to iOS5. The iPhone 4 is still upgradeable to whatever the |iPhone 4S is running. | | | |Cheers | |Ken | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen |Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to so |upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would |be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8 | |if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device... | |It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4 | |Sent from my Windows Phone | | | |From: Nick Randolph |Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54 |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will continue |to work on wp8. | | | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built |to Roam Pty Ltd. | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen |Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |I have whatsapp on WP7, works well | |Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct? | |Sent from my Windows Phone | | | |From: Ken Schaefer |Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43 |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. | | | |All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, |have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, |Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) | | | |Cheers |Ken | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | | |On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy |wrote: | |To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have led |to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ? | | | | | |I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping |centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. |But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks | | | |2 x iPhone (black & white) | |10 x Android | |1 (maybe 2) x WP7 | | | |Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can |get away with it because they are so well known now. | | | |Craig.
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Ken Just be happy you're getting new start screen tiles - sorry but wtf, who cares. Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:42 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced People are upset because they bought an expensive WP7 handset two weeks ago, and then last week Microsoft says that they'll be obsolete in 3 months' time. As for iPhones, at least Apple has some support for older devices. The original iPad is upgradeable to iOS5. The iPhone 4 is still upgradeable to whatever the iPhone 4S is running. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]<mailto:[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]> On Behalf Of David Thiessen Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to so upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8 if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device... It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4 Sent from my Windows Phone From: Nick Randolph Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54 To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will continue to work on wp8. Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of David Thiessen Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced I have whatsapp on WP7, works well Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct? Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ken Schaefer Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43 To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au>> wrote: To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ? I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks 2 x iPhone (black & white) 10 x Android 1 (maybe 2) x WP7 Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now. Craig.
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People are upset because they bought an expensive WP7 handset two weeks ago, and then last week Microsoft says that they'll be obsolete in 3 months' time. As for iPhones, at least Apple has some support for older devices. The original iPad is upgradeable to iOS5. The iPhone 4 is still upgradeable to whatever the iPhone 4S is running. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to so upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8 if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device... It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4 Sent from my Windows Phone _ From: Nick Randolph Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54 To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will continue to work on wp8. Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced I have whatsapp on WP7, works well Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct? Sent from my Windows Phone _ From: Ken Schaefer Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43 To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy wrote: To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ? I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks 2 x iPhone (black & white) 10 x Android 1 (maybe 2) x WP7 Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now. Craig.
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My complaint is that these apps are arriving on WP7 well after they are available on other platforms. So, all your friends on Android/Apple are playing "Words With Friends", and as a WP user, you are missing out. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:29 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Also I am in Jakarta, WP is the most promoted phone here I would say... It is huge promotion, in every mall, huge banners everywhere Mostly lumia Nokia simply everywhere Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ken Schaefer Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43 To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au>> wrote: To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ? I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks 2 x iPhone (black & white) 10 x Android 1 (maybe 2) x WP7 Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now. Craig.
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It's going to be difficult for retailers to move wp7 phones, then. Just to show that I don't *just* criticise Microsoft, I'm unimpressed with Apple's latest laptop. (specifically it's inability to be upgraded for anything) On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Nick Randolph wrote: > Actually what people are complaining about is the fact that if you buy a > wp7 device today you won’t be able to run wp8 apps tomorrow. > > ** ** > > Apple have a general rule of supporting at least vN-1, if you have a > current gen device and they upgrade the OS, you’ll get the update. There > are certain exclusions to this but they are mainly around consumer features. > > > ** ** > > *Nick Randolph** *| *Built to Roam Pty Ltd* | Microsoft MVP – Windows > Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam > The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not > the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this > email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of > any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the > author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty > Ltd. > > ** ** > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Thiessen > *Sent:* Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM > > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > > ** ** > > So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem > to so upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a > while would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update > wp7 device to wp8 > > if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device... > > It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4 > > Sent from my Windows Phone > -- > > *From: *Nick Randolph > *Sent: *24-Jun-12 18:54 > *To: *ozDotNet > *Subject: *RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > > Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will > continue to work on wp8. > > > > *Nick Randolph** *| *Built to Roam Pty Ltd* | Microsoft MVP – Windows > Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam > The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not > the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this > email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of > any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the > author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty > Ltd. > > > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Thiessen > *Sent:* Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > > **** > > I have whatsapp on WP7, works well > > Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct? > > Sent from my Windows Phone > -- > > *From: *Ken Schaefer > *Sent: *22-Jun-12 9:43 > *To: *ozDotNet > *Subject: *RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > > Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. > > > > All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each > other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with > Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) > > > > > Cheers > Ken > > > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk > *Sent:* Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy < > bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > > To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that > have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three > years ? > > > > > > I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local > shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. > You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop > I typically see on the racks > > > > 2 x iPhone (black & white) > > 10 x Android > > 1 (maybe 2) x WP7 > > > > Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. > iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now. > > > > Craig. > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
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Actually what people are complaining about is the fact that if you buy a wp7 device today you won't be able to run wp8 apps tomorrow. Apple have a general rule of supporting at least vN-1, if you have a current gen device and they upgrade the OS, you'll get the update. There are certain exclusions to this but they are mainly around consumer features. Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to so upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8 if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device... It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4 Sent from my Windows Phone From: Nick Randolph Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54 To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will continue to work on wp8. Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of David Thiessen Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced I have whatsapp on WP7, works well Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct? Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ken Schaefer Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43 To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au>> wrote: To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ? I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks 2 x iPhone (black & white) 10 x Android 1 (maybe 2) x WP7 Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now. Craig.
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So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to so upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8 if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device... It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4 Sent from my Windows Phone -- From: Nick Randolph Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54 To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will continue to work on wp8. *Nick Randolph** *| *Built to Roam Pty Ltd* | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Thiessen *Sent:* Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: Windows Phone 8 announced I have whatsapp on WP7, works well Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct? Sent from my Windows Phone -- *From: *Ken Schaefer *Sent: *22-Jun-12 9:43 *To: *ozDotNet *Subject: *RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk *Sent:* Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy < bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ? I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks 2 x iPhone (black & white) 10 x Android 1 (maybe 2) x WP7 Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now. Craig.
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Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will continue to work on wp8. Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced I have whatsapp on WP7, works well Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct? Sent from my Windows Phone From: Ken Schaefer Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43 To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au>> wrote: To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ? I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks 2 x iPhone (black & white) 10 x Android 1 (maybe 2) x WP7 Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now. Craig.
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Also I am in Jakarta, WP is the most promoted phone here I would say... It is huge promotion, in every mall, huge banners everywhere Mostly lumia Nokia simply everywhere Sent from my Windows Phone -- From: Ken Schaefer Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43 To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk *Sent:* Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy < bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ? I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks 2 x iPhone (black & white) 10 x Android 1 (maybe 2) x WP7 Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now. Craig.
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I have whatsapp on WP7, works well Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct? Sent from my Windows Phone -- From: Ken Schaefer Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43 To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk *Sent:* Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy < bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ? I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks 2 x iPhone (black & white) 10 x Android 1 (maybe 2) x WP7 Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now. Craig.
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es ... talk about bonus round! :) Like I said, we've not really seen Microsoft Windows team market the mobile and tablet device yet, we've seen a few drips and drabs but going forward with Windows 8 they have to invest more than they have ever before (historically i doub't we'll see this level of investment form Microsoft before) as if Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 fails not only is Steve Ballmer going to face a nervous board meeting but Steve Sinofsky's time in Microsoft will be much like the guy who brought us Windows Vista ... Who is he again? > ** > > If Microsoft want to succeed they need to sell phones. Simple as that. So > it’s a balancing act between getting developers (in the long term) to build > for the platform versus pissing some developers off in the short term. WP8 > is that bet imho – they’ve stated they’re chasing Enterprise, Gaming and > compat with Windows. I get it, that’s where developers want to be building > app. I see WP8 as delivering on that. > Agree in part but one thing to note is that up until now its really been a C#/XAML only discussion but keep a close eye on the IE10 story as not only is it opening up the "phone gap" more with its SDK potential but you could likely see a more broader developer base. With that, if you piss off 1 C# developer and grow 10 HTML5/JS hackathon like developer(s) over the next 3-5 years then the math would stack in their favour here (collateral damage guys). Further reading: http://devlicio.us/blogs/rob_eisenberg/archive/2012/04/18/the-manifold-blunders-of-xaml-part-1-version-and-platform-hell.aspx Microsoft releases a UX platform every 2 years.. (kind of). > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors > *Sent:* Friday, 22 June 2012 10:31 AM > > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > > ** ** > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Nick Randolph > wrote: > > We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this > don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and > move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass.* > *** > > ** ** > > Alternatively, you're unlikely to change group think by staying silent.*** > * > > ** ** > > Now, where's my start button. > > ** ** > > -- > David Connors > da...@connors.me >
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Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing. All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now) Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy wrote: To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ? I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks 2 x iPhone (black & white) 10 x Android 1 (maybe 2) x WP7 Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now. Craig.
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> > > > One thing I noticed was the Telstra shops had little knowledge or in-store > advertising of WP. > > > I know the Telstra shop at Watergardens in Melbourne had a fair bit of in store advertising in the last few months, just not many phones.
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I seem to recall there was a bit of advertising on initial launch some two/three years ago, then it died right down. Until the recent wave of Lumia's, you couldn't even purchase a WP online with Telstra not that long ago. They were there, and then they weren't, and now they're back, but I expect that will change. One thing I noticed was the Telstra shops had little knowledge or in-store advertising of WP. Does yesterday's announcement fix those issues or make them worse ? |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy |wrote: | | | To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that |have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years |? | | | | | |I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping |centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. |But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks | |2 x iPhone (black & white) |10 x Android |1 (maybe 2) x WP7 | |Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can |get away with it because they are so well known now. | |Craig. | | |
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy < > bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > >> To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues >> that have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last >> three years ? >> >> >> > I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local > shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. > You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop > I typically see on the racks > > 2 x iPhone (black & white) > 10 x Android > 1 (maybe 2) x WP7 > > Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. > iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now. > > And they do product placement like you wouldn't believe. -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy < bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that > have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three > years ? > > > I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on the racks 2 x iPhone (black & white) 10 x Android 1 (maybe 2) x WP7 Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now. Craig.
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To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ? |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:33 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Constrained: Metro style apps can use a subset of the Win32 and COM API. This |subset of APIs was chosen to support key scenarios for Metro style apps that |were not already covered by the Windows Runtime, HTML/CSS, or other |supported languages or standards. The Windows App Certification Kit ensures |that your app uses only this subset of the Win32 and COM API. | | | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built |to Roam Pty Ltd. | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:11 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Supported. |http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br205756.aspx | | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:04 AM ||To: 'ozDotNet' ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||And directX is ? || |||-Original Message- |||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:03 AM |||To: ozDotNet |||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced ||| |||Right, but surely WinRT apps can themselves be written in native code, |||they just can't reference any non-winrt components? ||| |||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone |||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in |||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you |||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. |||Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails |||or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's |||own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. ||| ||| |||-Original Message- |||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:54 AM |||To: 'ozDotNet' |||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced ||| |||I thought Windows RT only allowed WinRT apps with the exception of the |||preloaded Office. ||| -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:45 AM ||||To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Not sure I follow "Windows RT" isn't encouraging native apps? Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before MS made it all public yesterday. Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native support was to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and Android. The existing 7.5 (soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I heard was < 2%, and that figure will drop not grow; that is it has now reached its |||peak. It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. I'm still unclear if there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems funny to me that the phone is encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't. The developer story still is not clear to me |-Original Message-
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Constrained: Metro style apps can use a subset of the Win32 and COM API. This subset of APIs was chosen to support key scenarios for Metro style apps that were not already covered by the Windows Runtime, HTML/CSS, or other supported languages or standards. The Windows App Certification Kit ensures that your app uses only this subset of the Win32 and COM API. Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:11 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Supported. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br205756.aspx |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:04 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |And directX is ? | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:03 AM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||Right, but surely WinRT apps can themselves be written in native code, ||they just can't reference any non-winrt components? || ||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone ||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in ||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you ||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. ||Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails ||or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's ||own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. || || ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:54 AM ||To: 'ozDotNet' ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||I thought Windows RT only allowed WinRT apps with the exception of the ||preloaded Office. || |||-Original Message- |||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:45 AM |||To: ozDotNet |||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced ||| |||Not sure I follow "Windows RT" isn't encouraging native apps? ||| |||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone |||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in |||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, |||you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. |||Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails |||or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's |||own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. ||| ||| |||-Original Message- |||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM |||To: 'ozDotNet' |||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced ||| |||I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before |||MS made it all public yesterday. ||| |||Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native |||support was to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and |||Android. The existing 7.5 (soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I |||heard was < 2%, and that figure will drop not grow; that is it has |||now reached its ||peak. ||| |||It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. |||I'm still unclear if there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems |||funny to me that the phone is encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't. |||The developer story still is not clear to me ||| -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:32 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call with the phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot is that if we want to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance to assist developers
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Supported. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br205756.aspx |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:04 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |And directX is ? | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:03 AM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||Right, but surely WinRT apps can themselves be written in native code, ||they just can't reference any non-winrt components? || ||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone ||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in ||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you ||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built ||to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or ||attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own ||and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. || || ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:54 AM ||To: 'ozDotNet' ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||I thought Windows RT only allowed WinRT apps with the exception of the ||preloaded Office. || |||-Original Message- |||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:45 AM |||To: ozDotNet |||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced ||| |||Not sure I follow "Windows RT" isn't encouraging native apps? ||| |||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone |||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in |||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you |||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. |||Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails |||or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's |||own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. ||| ||| |||-Original Message- |||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM |||To: 'ozDotNet' |||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced ||| |||I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before |||MS made it all public yesterday. ||| |||Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native |||support was to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and |||Android. The existing 7.5 (soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I |||heard was < 2%, and that figure will drop not grow; that is it has now |||reached its ||peak. ||| |||It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. I'm |||still unclear if there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems funny |||to me that the phone is encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't. |||The developer story still is not clear to me ||| -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph ||||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:32 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call with the phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot is that if we want to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance to assist developers build for 7.x (which will work across wp8) unless they specifically want to leverage wp8 functions. Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:29 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Yeh yeh, I know "suck it up princess" ;) The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street journal etc etc; we,
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Nick Randolph wrote: > Right, but surely WinRT apps can themselves be written in native code, > they just can't reference any non-winrt components? > Correct, that is the point of WinRT. It is just a jailed process UNIX style AKA direct knock off of how iOS works. Re Bill's other comment re DirectX, I would imagine that would be a WinRT projection/slightly dumbed down and not DirectX natively. -- David Connors da...@connors.me
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
And directX is ? |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:03 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Right, but surely WinRT apps can themselves be written in native code, they just |can't reference any non-winrt components? | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built |to Roam Pty Ltd. | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:54 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |I thought Windows RT only allowed WinRT apps with the exception of the |preloaded Office. | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:45 AM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||Not sure I follow "Windows RT" isn't encouraging native apps? || ||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone ||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in ||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you ||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built ||to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or ||attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own ||and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. || || ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM ||To: 'ozDotNet' ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before ||MS made it all public yesterday. || ||Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native ||support was to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and ||Android. The existing 7.5 (soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I ||heard was < 2%, and that figure will drop not grow; that is it has now reached its |peak. || ||It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. I'm ||still unclear if there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems funny ||to me that the phone is encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't. ||The developer story still is not clear to me || |||-Original Message- |||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:32 AM |||To: ozDotNet |||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced ||| |||Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call |||with the phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot |||is that if we want to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance |||to assist developers build for 7.x (which will work across wp8) unless |||they specifically want to leverage wp8 functions. ||| ||| ||| |||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone |||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in |||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you |||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. |||Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails |||or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's |||own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. ||| ||| ||| |||-Original Message- |||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:29 AM |||To: 'ozDotNet' |||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced ||| ||| ||| |||Yeh yeh, I know "suck it up princess" ;) ||| ||| ||| |||The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street |||journal etc etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to |||come out with a better story, a better explanation, or both. ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| -Original Message- ||| From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet- ||| boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of ||||Nick Randolph ||| Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:24 AM ||| To: ozDotNet ||| Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced ||| |
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Right, but surely WinRT apps can themselves be written in native code, they just can't reference any non-winrt components? Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:54 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced I thought Windows RT only allowed WinRT apps with the exception of the preloaded Office. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:45 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Not sure I follow "Windows RT" isn't encouraging native apps? | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in |this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you |may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built |to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or |attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own |and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before |MS made it all public yesterday. | |Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native |support was to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and |Android. The existing 7.5 (soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I |heard was < 2%, and that figure will drop not grow; that is it has now reached its peak. | |It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. I'm |still unclear if there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems funny |to me that the phone is encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't. |The developer story still is not clear to me | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:32 AM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call ||with the phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot ||is that if we want to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance ||to assist developers build for 7.x (which will work across wp8) unless ||they specifically want to leverage wp8 functions. || || || ||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone ||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in ||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you ||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. ||Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails ||or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's ||own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. || || || ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:29 AM ||To: 'ozDotNet' ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || || || ||Yeh yeh, I know "suck it up princess" ;) || || || ||The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street ||journal etc etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to ||come out with a better story, a better explanation, or both. || || || || || |||-Original Message- || |||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com |||<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet- || |||boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of |||Nick Randolph || |||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:24 AM || |||To: ozDotNet || |||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||| || |||We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like || |||this don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what || |||is, and move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to |||come to ||pass. || ||| || |||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Wind
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
I thought Windows RT only allowed WinRT apps with the exception of the preloaded Office. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:45 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Not sure I follow "Windows RT" isn't encouraging native apps? | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built |to Roam Pty Ltd. | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before MS made it |all public yesterday. | |Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native support was |to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and Android. The existing 7.5 |(soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I heard was < 2%, and that figure will drop |not grow; that is it has now reached its peak. | |It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. I'm still unclear if |there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems funny to me that the phone is |encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't. The developer story still is not |clear to me | ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:32 AM ||To: ozDotNet ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call ||with the phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot ||is that if we want to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance ||to assist developers build for 7.x (which will work across wp8) unless ||they specifically want to leverage wp8 functions. || || || ||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone ||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in ||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you ||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built ||to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or ||attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own ||and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. || || || ||-Original Message- ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:29 AM ||To: 'ozDotNet' ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || || || ||Yeh yeh, I know "suck it up princess" ;) || || || ||The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street ||journal etc etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to ||come out with a better story, a better explanation, or both. || || || || || |||-Original Message- || |||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com |||<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet- || |||boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of |||Nick Randolph || |||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:24 AM || |||To: ozDotNet || |||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||| || |||We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like || |||this don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what || |||is, and move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to |||come to ||pass. || ||| || |||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone || |||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in || |||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you || |||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. |||Built || |||to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or || |||attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own || |||and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. || ||| || ||| || |||-Original Message- || |||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com |||<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet- || |||boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of |||Bill McCarthy || |||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM || |||To: 'ozDotNet' || |||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced || ||| || |||My Friday venting: || |||http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phon |||e || |||-8- || |||an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx || ||| || ||| || || || || |
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Nick Randolph wrote: > Yeh but you’re working on the assumption the phone team is stupid. They’re > not, they understand the trade offs, they recognise this will piss certain > people off, they look at the market and the majority _*just don’t care!!!*_ > It’s as simple as that. Trade off of new features, upgraded platform versus > the tiny % of the population that actually care. > > ** ** > > Windows Phone still suffers from chicken and egg syndrome. Whilst there > are a lot of apps coming into market, it’s still a small % compared to > other platforms. Developers won’t build for a platform with such a low > percentage market share (not worth it). Yet, consumers won’t buy devices > without the core set of apps. Well that’s what the various tech journals > would have you believe. > If you make it really easy to port apps, then they (devs) will. This means Microsoft need to make it easy, Android and Apple already have established market. > The reality is that people buy phones for a TON of different reasons > ranging from it being bright and shiny (think Lumia 610) to having a > freakin massive screen (Galaxy Note) to having a wide range of awesome apps > (iPhone). > > ** > And some people just want a phone, but don't mind using the shiny extras. > ** > > If Microsoft want to succeed they need to sell phones. Simple as that. So > it’s a balancing act between getting developers (in the long term) to build > for the platform versus pissing some developers off in the short term. WP8 > is that bet imho – they’ve stated they’re chasing Enterprise, Gaming and > compat with Windows. I get it, that’s where developers want to be building > app. I see WP8 as delivering on that. > Possibly. My concern is that W8 on desktop is being shoehorned to make it superficially compatible with WP8. But in the long term, I will keep on playing and working with both. :) > > > ** ** > > *Nick Randolph** *| *Built to Roam Pty Ltd* | Microsoft MVP – Windows > Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam > The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not > the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this > email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of > any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the > author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty > Ltd. > > ** ** > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors > *Sent:* Friday, 22 June 2012 10:31 AM > > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > > ** ** > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Nick Randolph > wrote: > > We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this > don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and > move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass.* > *** > > ** ** > > Alternatively, you're unlikely to change group think by staying silent.*** > * > > ** ** > > Now, where's my start button. > > ** ** > > -- > David Connors > da...@connors.me > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Not sure I follow "Windows RT" isn't encouraging native apps? Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before MS made it all public yesterday. Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native support was to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and Android. The existing 7.5 (soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I heard was < 2%, and that figure will drop not grow; that is it has now reached its peak. It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. I'm still unclear if there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems funny to me that the phone is encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't. The developer story still is not clear to me |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:32 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call |with the phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot |is that if we want to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance |to assist developers build for 7.x (which will work across wp8) unless |they specifically want to leverage wp8 functions. | | | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in |this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you |may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built |to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or |attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own |and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. | | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:29 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |Yeh yeh, I know "suck it up princess" ;) | | | |The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street |journal etc etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to |come out with a better story, a better explanation, or both. | | | | | ||-Original Message- | ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ||<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet- | ||boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of ||Nick Randolph | ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:24 AM | ||To: ozDotNet | ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | || | ||We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like | ||this don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what | ||is, and move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to ||come to |pass. | || | ||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone | ||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in | ||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you | ||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. ||Built | ||to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or | ||attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own | ||and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. | || | || | ||-Original Message- | ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ||<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet- | ||boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of ||Bill McCarthy | ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM | ||To: 'ozDotNet' | ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | || | ||My Friday venting: | ||http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phon ||e | ||-8- | ||an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx | || | || | | | |
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before MS made it all public yesterday. Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native support was to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and Android. The existing 7.5 (soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I heard was < 2%, and that figure will drop not grow; that is it has now reached its peak. It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. I'm still unclear if there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems funny to me that the phone is encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't. The developer story still is not clear to me |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:32 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call with the |phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot is that if we want |to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance to assist developers build |for 7.x (which will work across wp8) unless they specifically want to leverage wp8 |functions. | | | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built |to Roam Pty Ltd. | | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:29 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |Yeh yeh, I know "suck it up princess" ;) | | | |The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street journal etc |etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to come out with a better |story, a better explanation, or both. | | | | | ||-Original Message- | ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ||<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet- | ||boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of Nick ||Randolph | ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:24 AM | ||To: ozDotNet | ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | || | ||We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like | ||this don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what | ||is, and move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to |pass. | || | ||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone | ||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in | ||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you | ||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built | ||to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or | ||attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own | ||and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. | || | || | ||-Original Message- | ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ||<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet- | ||boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of Bill ||McCarthy | ||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM | ||To: 'ozDotNet' | ||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | || | ||My Friday venting: | ||http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phone | ||-8- | ||an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx | || | || | | | |
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Yeh but you're working on the assumption the phone team is stupid. They're not, they understand the trade offs, they recognise this will piss certain people off, they look at the market and the majority _just don't care!!!_ It's as simple as that. Trade off of new features, upgraded platform versus the tiny % of the population that actually care. Windows Phone still suffers from chicken and egg syndrome. Whilst there are a lot of apps coming into market, it's still a small % compared to other platforms. Developers won't build for a platform with such a low percentage market share (not worth it). Yet, consumers won't buy devices without the core set of apps. Well that's what the various tech journals would have you believe. The reality is that people buy phones for a TON of different reasons ranging from it being bright and shiny (think Lumia 610) to having a freakin massive screen (Galaxy Note) to having a wide range of awesome apps (iPhone). If Microsoft want to succeed they need to sell phones. Simple as that. So it's a balancing act between getting developers (in the long term) to build for the platform versus pissing some developers off in the short term. WP8 is that bet imho - they've stated they're chasing Enterprise, Gaming and compat with Windows. I get it, that's where developers want to be building app. I see WP8 as delivering on that. Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:31 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Nick Randolph mailto:n...@builttoroam.com>> wrote: We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass. Alternatively, you're unlikely to change group think by staying silent. Now, where's my start button. -- David Connors da...@connors.me<mailto:da...@connors.me>
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|One of my old Microsoft bosses used to say - "The dogs may bark at the train, but |the train keeps going"... whenever we faced criticism like blog posts etc. And it was that attitude that largely lead governments to have to rein that 'tude in ;) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:27 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |One of my old Microsoft bosses used to say - "The dogs may bark at the train, but |the train keeps going"... whenever we faced criticism like blog posts etc. As Nick |stated, what's done is done, now its either bend over and accept it or throw some |punches ;) hehehe | |--- |Regards, |Scott Barnes |http://www.riagenic.com | | | |On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Nick Randolph wrote: | | | We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this |don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and move on - |complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass. | | | Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam | The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the |intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in |any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or |attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not |reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. | | | | -Original Message- | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy | Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM | To: 'ozDotNet' | Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | My Friday venting: | http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows- |phone-8-an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx | | | | |
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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Nick Randolph wrote: > We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this > don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and > move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass. > Alternatively, you're unlikely to change group think by staying silent. Now, where's my start button. -- David Connors da...@connors.me
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Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call with the phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot is that if we want to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance to assist developers build for 7.x (which will work across wp8) unless they specifically want to leverage wp8 functions. Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:29 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced Yeh yeh, I know "suck it up princess" ;) The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street journal etc etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to come out with a better story, a better explanation, or both. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:24 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like |this don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what |is, and move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass. | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in |this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you |may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built |to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or |attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own |and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |My Friday venting: |http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phone |-8- |an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx | |
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Yeh yeh, I know "suck it up princess" ;) The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street journal etc etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to come out with a better story, a better explanation, or both. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:24 AM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this don't |help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and move on - |complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass. | |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built |to Roam Pty Ltd. | | |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |My Friday venting: |http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phone-8- |an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx | |
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One of my old Microsoft bosses used to say - "The dogs may bark at the train, but the train keeps going"... whenever we faced criticism like blog posts etc. As Nick stated, what's done is done, now its either bend over and accept it or throw some punches ;) hehehe --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Nick Randolph wrote: > We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this > don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and > move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass. > > Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone > Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam > The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not > the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this > email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of > any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the > author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty > Ltd. > > > -Original Message- > From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] > On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy > Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM > To: 'ozDotNet' > Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > > My Friday venting: > > http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phone-8-an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx > > > >
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We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass. Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced My Friday venting: http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phone-8-an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx
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My Friday venting: http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phone-8-an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx
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I should have made my position a bit clearer, I already have a telstra unlimited plan, and don't really want to buy another plan from them. OTOH, I wouldn't mind buying a phone and swapping SIMs for a while to try it out. Which was why I was asking if there was the equivalent of Google's 'concept' phones like the Nexus series have been. (that typically do not rely on the carrier to push OS updates) Mike On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:23 PM, David Kean wrote: > I just had a look, my current bill is around $135 per month for two > phones, on nearly absolute cheapest minutes + highest data plan. That’s > $1620 for two years per phone. So it’s not that far off Australia. If I > brought my own device, I would not have saved much off that (I know this > because I borked at the cost of that being that my previous phone [I didn’t > use mobiles much] many, many years previous was on the $5 Telstra plan).** > ** > > ** ** > > *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: > ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:59 PM > > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > > ** ** > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy < > bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > > |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. Now we > can > |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone > |separate from carrier. > > Really ? What price is the latest smart phone outright, about $600 ? > Over 24 months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only > charge about half that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more.* > *** > > > Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776 > over 24 months MINIMUM > > ** ** > > http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy-note/index.htm > > ** ** > > > http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000-I9220-Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone-p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=TBDF-XX86742 > > > ** ** > > Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs near > that much. > > ** ** > > ** ** > > > > > > |-----Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith > |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > > |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean > |wrote: > | > | > | (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with > Microsoft's, or as > |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't > work on the > |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering > decisions) > | > | > | > | > |:) > | > |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you... If I was commenting > officially on > |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email. > | > | > | Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will > actually take > |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many > |of you will have already replaced your phone by then? > | > | It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't > know > |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24 > |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time > Phone 8 > |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the > start of > |a new upgrade cycle. > | > | > | > |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. Now we > can > |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone > |separate from carrier. > | > | > | > | -Original Message- > > | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy > | Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM > | To: 'ozDotNet' > | Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > | Seriously ? Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old > customers ? I > | see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8. > | > | For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and > thought, > |and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with > them, not > |just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three > years > |
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The killer though is if you want to recontract. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:24 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | |I just had a look, my current bill is around $135 per month for two phones, on |nearly absolute cheapest minutes + highest data plan. That’s $1620 for two years |per phone. So it’s not that far off Australia. If I brought my own device, I would |not have saved much off that (I know this because I borked at the cost of that |being that my previous phone [I didn’t use mobiles much] many, many years |previous was on the $5 Telstra plan). | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith |Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:59 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy |wrote: | ||America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. Now ||we can buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying ||the phone separate from carrier. | |Really ? What price is the latest smart phone outright, about $600 ? Over 24 |months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only charge about half |that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more. | | |Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776 over 24 |months MINIMUM | | | |http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy-note/index.htm | | | |http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000-I9220- |Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone- |p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign= |TBDF-XX86742 | | | |Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs near that much. | | | | | | | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith | |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean | | |wrote: | | | | | | (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with Microsoft's, |or as | |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't |work on the | |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering |decisions) | | | | | | | | | |:) | | | |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you... If I was commenting |officially on | |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email. | | | | | | Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will actually |take | |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? |How many | |of you will have already replaced your phone by then? | | | | It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't |know | |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - |24 | |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time |Phone 8 | |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the |start of | |a new upgrade cycle. | | | | | | | |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. |Now we can | |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the |phone | |separate from carrier. | | | | | | | | -Original Message- | | | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy | | Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM | | To: 'ozDotNet' | | Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | Seriously ? Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old |customers ? I | | see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8. | | | | For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and |thought, | |and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with |them, not | |just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three |years | | ago) | | | | The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a |windows | |phone today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I |said to | |buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone |will be | |obsolete come September. | | | | | | |-Original Message- | | |From: ozdotnet-b
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The synergies Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 are going to bring are fantastic and should be applauded. But getting the bus to the destination sooner doesn't justify throwing a lot of the passengers off, especially when those passengers are the ones that supported the bus whilst no-one else did. Windows 8 on the tablet will rock. The desktop jarring experience we've seen discussed here previously won't. There'll be a backlash which they could have addressed a lot better. Windows Phone 8 leaves the current Windows Phone story in purgatory yet again, except this time they've said the current Windows Phones can go to hell ;) Loss of momentum in the mobile market is a huge thing. I doubt Windows Phone will pick up until after tablet sales for Win 8 come in as solid. I don't think it will be a warm and fuzzy xmas season for windows phone. I think the story for the desktop and existing windows phone customers could be a lot better. It's sad to see Nokia laying off staff rather than investing in their people with Microsoft to invest in the people who originally invested in them: their customers. Brand loyalty is a big thing. (I'm reminded of the old Aesop fable about the dog with a bone seeing its own reflection ) |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:19 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |I never thought I'd be the one to come to MS defence here but... | |(day of firsts for me clearly).. | |This is the ONLY move they have left to make if they truly want to compete. I for |one have been calling Microsoft a bunch of pu$$**ies for sitting on the sidelines |for far to long. They have been squandering their potential for way to many years |now around this entire discussion but .. and i say but lightly.. they have however |grown a pair and put their entire strategy on the line (despite its marketing flaws). |In order to unite the platform(s) to a more UX centric development story they've |simply had to sacrifice the Silverlight UX piece to WP7 and swap it out for the |work they are doing with Windows8. | |Silverlight was never meant to be shimmed onto the phone but given teh amount |of resets and poor decision making by executives etc during the 2005-2009 |leadership / gfc craziness it's what you have before you today. | |Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 still have a ways to go to convince the market |that they can not only live up to the hype but can sustain an adoption curve long |enough to take on trust. Keeping in mind right now Microsoft's entire product |strategies to date have been based around a lot of failed trust namely around |"adopt xyz because we will promise to be here for a long time" (insert WPF, |Silverlight etc). | |As for the blood spill that follows from Wp8 put it this way, I'd hate to have Nokia |stock right now but that being said if you truly want to gamble away, I'd buy |Nokia stock as of now as if they can hold out long enough to get some Windows |Phone 8 traction - and - Windows Phone 8 actually becomes a consumer hit, then |now would be a good price :D ($2.50 a share compared to it used to being $58.00 |share). | | |--- |Regards, |Scott Barnes |http://www.riagenic.com | | | |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:58 PM, mike smith wrote: | | | On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy | wrote: | | | |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised |phones. Now we can | |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying |the phone | |separate from carrier. | | | Really ? What price is the latest smart phone outright, about |$600 ? Over 24 months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only |charge about half that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more. | | | Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra |plan $1776 over 24 months MINIMUM | | | | http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy- |note/index.htm | | http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000- |I9220-Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone- |p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign= |TBDF-XX86742 | | Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs near |that much. | | | | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith | |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean | | |wrote: | | | | |
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I just had a look, my current bill is around $135 per month for two phones, on nearly absolute cheapest minutes + highest data plan. That’s $1620 for two years per phone. So it’s not that far off Australia. If I brought my own device, I would not have saved much off that (I know this because I borked at the cost of that being that my previous phone [I didn’t use mobiles much] many, many years previous was on the $5 Telstra plan). From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:59 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy mailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au>> wrote: |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. Now we can |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone |separate from carrier. Really ? What price is the latest smart phone outright, about $600 ? Over 24 months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only charge about half that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more. Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776 over 24 months MINIMUM http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy-note/index.htm http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000-I9220-Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone-p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=TBDF-XX86742 Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs near that much. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-<mailto:ozdotnet-> |boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of mike smith |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean mailto:david.k...@microsoft.com>> |wrote: | | | (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with Microsoft's, or as |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't work on the |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering decisions) | | | | |:) | |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you... If I was commenting officially on |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email. | | | Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will actually take |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many |of you will have already replaced your phone by then? | | It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't know |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24 |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time Phone 8 |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the start of |a new upgrade cycle. | | | |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. Now we can |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone |separate from carrier. | | | | -Original Message- | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-<mailto:ozdotnet-> |boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy | Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM | To: 'ozDotNet' | Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | Seriously ? Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old customers ? I | see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8. | | For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and thought, |and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with them, not |just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three years | ago) | | The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a windows |phone today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I said to |buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be |obsolete come September. | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> [mailto:ozdotnet-<mailto:ozdotnet-> | |boun...@ozdotnet.com<mailto:boun...@ozdotnet.com>] On Behalf Of David Kean | |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | |I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device | |when | you | |bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future | |is | coming | |out? | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotn
RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
| Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776 |over 24 months MINIMUM | Sure there's no deal with Telstra at present so the hardware repayments on the $49 cap plan are $25 a month, which is $600 all up. Difference there is -$100 over two years, or $50 a year. But take the example of the Lumia 800, which is still about $500 (although expect that to plummet rapidly after today's announcements) At Telstra, it costs you an extra $10 per month, which is $240 over the two year contract, so saving of $260 or $130 per year. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 3:59 PM |To: ozDotNet |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy |wrote: | | | |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. |Now we can | |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the |phone | |separate from carrier. | | | Really ? What price is the latest smart phone outright, about $600 ? |Over 24 months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only charge |about half that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more. | | | Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776 |over 24 months MINIMUM | | | |http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy-note/index.htm | |http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000-I9220- |Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone- |p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign= |TBDF-XX86742 | |Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs near that much. | | | | | | | |-Original Message- | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith | |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM | |To: ozDotNet | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean | | |wrote: | | | | | | (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with Microsoft's, |or as | |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't |work on the | |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering |decisions) | | | | | | | | | |:) | | | |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you... If I was commenting |officially on | |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email. | | | | | | Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will actually |take | |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? |How many | |of you will have already replaced your phone by then? | | | | It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't |know | |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - |24 | |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time |Phone 8 | |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the |start of | |a new upgrade cycle. | | | | | | | |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. |Now we can | |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the |phone | |separate from carrier. | | | | | | | | -Original Message- | | | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy | | Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM | | To: 'ozDotNet' | | Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced | | | | Seriously ? Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old |customers ? I | | see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8. | | | | For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and |thought, | |and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with |them, not | |just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three |years | | ago) | | | | The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a |windows | |phone today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I |said to | |buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone |will be | |obsolete come September. | | | | | | |-Original Message- | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- | | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean | | |Sent: Thursday, 21
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
I never thought I'd be the one to come to MS defence here but... (day of firsts for me clearly).. This is the ONLY move they have left to make if they truly want to compete. I for one have been calling Microsoft a bunch of pu$$**ies for sitting on the sidelines for far to long. They have been squandering their potential for way to many years now around this entire discussion but .. and i say but lightly.. they have however grown a pair and put their entire strategy on the line (despite its marketing flaws). In order to unite the platform(s) to a more UX centric development story they've simply had to sacrifice the Silverlight UX piece to WP7 and swap it out for the work they are doing with Windows8. Silverlight was never meant to be shimmed onto the phone but given teh amount of resets and poor decision making by executives etc during the 2005-2009 leadership / gfc craziness it's what you have before you today. Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 still have a ways to go to convince the market that they can not only live up to the hype but can sustain an adoption curve long enough to take on trust. Keeping in mind right now Microsoft's entire product strategies to date have been based around a lot of failed trust namely around "adopt xyz because we will promise to be here for a long time" (insert WPF, Silverlight etc). As for the blood spill that follows from Wp8 put it this way, I'd hate to have Nokia stock right now but that being said if you truly want to gamble away, I'd buy Nokia stock as of now as if they can hold out long enough to get some Windows Phone 8 traction - and - Windows Phone 8 actually becomes a consumer hit, then now would be a good price :D ($2.50 a share compared to it used to being $58.00 share). --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:58 PM, mike smith wrote: > On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy < > bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > >> |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. Now we >> can >> |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone >> |separate from carrier. >> >> Really ? What price is the latest smart phone outright, about $600 ? >> Over 24 months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only >> charge about half that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more. >> >> Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776 >> over 24 months MINIMUM >> > > http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy-note/index.htm > > > http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000-I9220-Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone-p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=TBDF-XX86742 > > Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs near > that much. > > > > >> >> >> |-Original Message----- >> |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- >> |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith >> |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM >> |To: ozDotNet >> |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced >> | >> |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean >> |wrote: >> | >> | >> | (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with >> Microsoft's, or as >> |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't >> work on the >> |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering >> decisions) >> | >> | >> | >> | >> |:) >> | >> |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you... If I was commenting >> officially on >> |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email. >> | >> | >> | Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will >> actually take >> |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many >> |of you will have already replaced your phone by then? >> | >> | It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I >> don't know >> |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24 >> |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time >> Phone 8 >> |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the >> start of >> |a new upgrade cycle. >> | >> | >> | >> |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. Now we >> can >> |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone >> |separate from carrier. >> | >> | >> | >> | --
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
Reminds me of my kids. They constantly turn off powerpoints to save power (even ones you were using!!) and then they sit there with the airconditioner running full. :) Your right tho. I'm not going to not get my new phone just because people are starving. I donate money to people who are doing something about the starving people, so I can feel ok about buying the new phones. Oh, I also forgot to mention that the starving people all have shiny new phones too. LOL Ironic eh? On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Bill McCarthy wrote: > Yep I was referring to the Redmond syndrome, re " Is that the new Microsoft > policy, just dump old customers". Actually the .NET team hasn't been so bad > on this (there was that recent back step over the express editions of VS 12 > ;) ). > > Microsoft Kin anyone ?? > > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean > |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 3:02 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |Always consider me as “not speaking for Microsoft”. Feel free to tell me > that I > |might have been over here too long and suffer from the Redmond syndrome[1] > |and don’t know how real customers use our product, but don’t make me use a > |personal account. I’d never read this alias. :) > | > | > | > |Over here the phones are practically free[2] – I picked up HTC HD7 from > Amazon > |(with contract) for $50. > | > | > | > |[1] We have a name for this internally, which has skipped my mind. > | > |[2] Un a manner of speaking of course, I clearly pay via my contract, but > even if I > |bring my own phone, I save very little. > | > | > | > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith > |Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:41 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > | > | > |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean > |wrote: > | > |(This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with Microsoft's, or as > |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't work > on the > |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering decisions) > | > | > | > |:) > | > | > | > |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you... If I was commenting officially > on > |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email. > | > | > | > | Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will actually > take > |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many > |of you will have already replaced your phone by then? > | > | It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't > know > |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24 > |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time > Phone 8 > |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the > start of > |a new upgrade cycle. > | > | > | > |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. Now we can > |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone > |separate from carrier. > | > | > | > | > | -Original Message- > | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy > | Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM > | To: 'ozDotNet' > | Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > | Seriously ? Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old > customers ? I > | see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8. > | > | For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and thought, > |and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with them, > not > |just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three years > | ago) > | > | The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a windows > |phone today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I > said to > |buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be > |obsolete come September. > | > | > | |-Original Message- > | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean > | |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM > | |To: ozDotNet > | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | | > | |I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you we
Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy < bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. Now we > can > |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone > |separate from carrier. > > Really ? What price is the latest smart phone outright, about $600 ? > Over 24 months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only > charge about half that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more. > > Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776 > over 24 months MINIMUM > http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy-note/index.htm http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000-I9220-Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone-p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=TBDF-XX86742 Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs near that much. > > > |-Original Message- > |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith > |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM > |To: ozDotNet > |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean > |wrote: > | > | > | (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with > Microsoft's, or as > |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't > work on the > |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering > decisions) > | > | > | > | > |:) > | > |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you... If I was commenting > officially on > |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email. > | > | > | Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will > actually take > |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many > |of you will have already replaced your phone by then? > | > | It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't > know > |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24 > |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time > Phone 8 > |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the > start of > |a new upgrade cycle. > | > | > | > |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones. Now we > can > |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone > |separate from carrier. > | > | > | > | -----Original Message- > | From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy > | Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM > | To: 'ozDotNet' > | Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | > | Seriously ? Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old > customers ? I > | see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8. > | > | For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and > thought, > |and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with > them, not > |just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three > years > | ago) > | > | The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a > windows > |phone today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I > said to > |buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be > |obsolete come September. > | > | > | |-Original Message- > | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean > | |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM > | |To: ozDotNet > | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | | > | |I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the > device > | |when > | you > | |bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the > future > | |is > | coming > | |out? > | | > | |-Original Message- > | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- > | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy > | |Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM > | |To: 'ozDotNet' > | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced > | | > | |Now I'm really grumpy... My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now > | |apparently > | it is :( > | | > | | > | ||
