subject:"Windows Phone 8 announced"

LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one.
There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as
cited, there was plenty of people informed who thought it would be an
upgrade.  Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not
as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that
guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references
to what made your guess informed.

Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead
donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so
shocked anymore ;)  

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
|Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|yeah, so i said what i said... rumours
|
|but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have
been
|more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not
|be happening
|
|if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way
but
|it was not ment to upset you or anyone else
|
|
|
|On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
wrote:
| I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like
| dead donkey),
|
| |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but
| |rumours/speculation
|
| Yes this is what you said:
|
|So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people
|seem
| to so upset,
| everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while
| would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update
| wp7 device to
| wp8
|
| To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns
| about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't
| be a shock to them.  Clearly when you look at the facts there was
| speculation both ways.
|
| I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP
| between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them
| probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps
| until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't.
|
|
|
| |-Original Message-
| |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
| |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
| |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM
| |To: ozDotNet
| |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
| |
| |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but
| |rumours/speculation
| |
| |I then said the  rumours/speculation were for both sides of the
| |argumet
| |
| |I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them,
| |
| |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself
| |
| |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I
| read/saw/listened
| |to a year+ ago
| |
| |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they
| |are
| going to
| |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all
| running the
| |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the
| abilities/features
| |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity
| |stuff
| etc
| |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe
| |this
| will be
| |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if
| |it is
| correct i
| |don't know
| |
| |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their
| |box
| |
| |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice
| |cover
| and claim
| |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory
| |in
| china with,
| |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy
| |bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
| wrote:
| | Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to,
| | and one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia
| | would be upgradable to win8
| |
| | Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing.
| | Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when
| | there was a lot of speculation over the same thing:
| | http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-ge
| | t-a
| | pollo
| |
| | Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that
| | it would upgrade.
| |
| | And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8
| | running on a currently available Windows Phone, then any
| | speculation that it can't be done is clearly wrong.
| |
| | But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim
| | people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false.
| | Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average
| | consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a
| | Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed

you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe

On 27 June 2012 13:17, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one.
 There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as
 cited, there was plenty of people informed who thought it would be an
 upgrade.  Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not
 as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that
 guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references
 to what made your guess informed.

 Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead
 donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so
 shocked anymore ;)

 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
 |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |yeah, so i said what i said... rumours
 |
 |but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have
 been
 |more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not
 |be happening
 |
 |if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way
 but
 |it was not ment to upset you or anyone else
 |
 |
 |
 |On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 wrote:
 | I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like
 | dead donkey),
 |
 | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but
 | |rumours/speculation
 |
 | Yes this is what you said:
 |
 |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people
 |seem
 | to so upset,
 | everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while
 | would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update
 | wp7 device to
 | wp8
 |
 | To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns
 | about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't
 | be a shock to them.  Clearly when you look at the facts there was
 | speculation both ways.
 |
 | I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP
 | between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them
 | probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps
 | until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't.
 |
 |
 |
 | |-Original Message-
 | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
 | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM
 | |To: ozDotNet
 | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 | |
 | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but
 | |rumours/speculation
 | |
 | |I then said the  rumours/speculation were for both sides of the
 | |argumet
 | |
 | |I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them,
 | |
 | |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself
 | |
 | |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I
 | read/saw/listened
 | |to a year+ ago
 | |
 | |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they
 | |are
 | going to
 | |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all
 | running the
 | |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the
 | abilities/features
 | |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity
 | |stuff
 | etc
 | |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe
 | |this
 | will be
 | |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if
 | |it is
 | correct i
 | |don't know
 | |
 | |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their
 | |box
 | |
 | |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice
 | |cover
 | and claim
 | |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory
 | |in
 | china with,
 | |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers
 | |
 | |
 | |
 | |
 | |
 | |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy
 | |bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 | wrote:
 | | Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to,
 | | and one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia
 | | would be upgradable to win8
 | |
 | | Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing.
 | | Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when
 | | there was a lot of speculation over the same thing:
 | | http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-ge
 | | t-a
 | | pollo
 | |
 | | Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that
 | | it would upgrade.
 | |
 | | And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8
 | | running on a currently available Windows Phone, then any
 | | speculation that it can't be done is clearly wrong.
 | |
 | | But I think the key point I'm

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

but i am glad you scoured the complete internet and analisyed everything

as I said before the podcast I listen to has a guy who has mates in
the phone team,
he has been saying for months and months he did not think would be
able to upgrade
and offered many reasons...

so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it is

seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy
him a lollie in the supermarket

On 27 June 2012 13:42, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote:
 yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed

 you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe

 On 27 June 2012 13:17, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 LOL. I guess you still don't get it. You made a guess, not an informed one.
 There wasn't information out there that led one way or another; although as
 cited, there was plenty of people informed who thought it would be an
 upgrade.  Yes it turns out you guessed right (perhaps after the fact or not
 as we don't have any history of you saying either way earlier ;) ), but that
 guess was not an informed guess. That's why I asked you to cite references
 to what made your guess informed.

 Anyway, like I said I think this has now got beyond the stage of dead
 donkey. Have a think about it, do the research and hopefully you won't be so
 shocked anymore ;)

 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
 |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 2:58 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |yeah, so i said what i said... rumours
 |
 |but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would have
 been
 |more informed than me and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not
 |be happening
 |
 |if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way
 but
 |it was not ment to upset you or anyone else
 |
 |
 |
 |On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 wrote:
 | I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like
 | dead donkey),
 |
 | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but
 | |rumours/speculation
 |
 | Yes this is what you said:
 |
 |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people
 |seem
 | to so upset,
 | everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while
 | would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update
 | wp7 device to
 | wp8
 |
 | To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns
 | about the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't
 | be a shock to them.  Clearly when you look at the facts there was
 | speculation both ways.
 |
 | I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP
 | between now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them
 | probably don't know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps
 | until they try to load the latest games/apps and can't.
 |
 |
 |
 | |-Original Message-
 | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
 | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM
 | |To: ozDotNet
 | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 | |
 | |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but
 | |rumours/speculation
 | |
 | |I then said the  rumours/speculation were for both sides of the
 | |argumet
 | |
 | |I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them,
 | |
 | |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself
 | |
 | |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I
 | read/saw/listened
 | |to a year+ ago
 | |
 | |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they
 | |are
 | going to
 | |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all
 | running the
 | |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the
 | abilities/features
 | |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity
 | |stuff
 | etc
 | |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe
 | |this
 | will be
 | |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if
 | |it is
 | correct i
 | |don't know
 | |
 | |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their
 | |box
 | |
 | |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice
 | |cover
 | and claim
 | |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory
 | |in
 | china with,
 | |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers
 | |
 | |
 | |
 | |
 | |
 | |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy
 | |bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 | wrote:
 | | Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to,
 | | and one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia
 | | would be upgradable to win8
 | |
 | | Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing.
 | | Let's jump forward a couple

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced


Hi David Thiessen,

|so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it
is
|
|seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a
lollie in
|the supermarket
|
|yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed
|
|you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe


Okay, that's EOC here.  If you want to email me of list or discuss this face
to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

what you not happy to basically call me  a liar on the list?

you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight?

over a telephone???

I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks


On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

 Hi David Thiessen,

 |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it
 is
 |
 |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a
 lollie in
 |the supermarket
 |
 |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed
 |
 |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe


 Okay, that's EOC here.  If you want to email me of list or discuss this face
 to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

Why don't you two get a room? :)

In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't
have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible.
They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I
don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone
for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority
of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The
phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your
phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't
make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to
a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are
not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere)
and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade.

I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone
7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many
phones I have at home in the draw somewhere.

Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that
will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news.

As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what
assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or
not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking
sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on
this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If
you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know,
outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without
computers n stuff. :)
We're all in this together, ya know.

And Go.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote:
 what you not happy to basically call me  a liar on the list?

 you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight?

 over a telephone???

 I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks


 On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

 Hi David Thiessen,

 |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think it
 is
 |
 |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy him a
 lollie in
 |the supermarket
 |
 |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed
 |
 |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe


 Okay, that's EOC here.  If you want to email me of list or discuss this face
 to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

your, not you're :)

Mike

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote:

 No you're face is a chicken.
 ---
 Regards,
 Scott Barnes
 http://www.riagenic.com



 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Stephen Price 
 step...@perthprojects.comwrote:

 Why don't you two get a room? :)

 In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't
 have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible.
 They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I
 don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone
 for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority
 of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The
 phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your
 phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't
 make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to
 a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are
 not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere)
 and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade.

 I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone
 7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many
 phones I have at home in the draw somewhere.

 Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that
 will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news.

 As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what
 assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or
 not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking
 sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on
 this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If
 you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know,
 outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without
 computers n stuff. :)
 We're all in this together, ya know.

 And Go.

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  what you not happy to basically call me  a liar on the list?
 
  you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight?
 
  over a telephone???
 
  I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks
 
 
  On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 wrote:
 
  Hi David Thiessen,
 
  |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think
 it
  is
  |
  |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy
 him a
  lollie in
  |the supermarket
  |
  |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed
  |
  |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe
 
 
  Okay, that's EOC here.  If you want to email me of list or discuss
 this face
  to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com
 
 





-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Hi Stephen,

Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or
years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure
the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the
contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime;
obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software
and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with
that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and
OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being
current.  Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as
Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS
updates (eg Galaxy II).  For Windows Phone there isn't that. 

Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own
phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people
they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot
better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for
the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the
better.


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
|Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Why don't you two get a room? :)
|
|In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have to
make
|new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible.
|They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I don't
think
|that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer
improved
|one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a
draw
|somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if you
are
|on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the
contract
|period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option
to
|upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then
phones
|are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere)
and no
|amount of new features would compel you to upgrade.
|
|I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7.
Thats
|just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I have at
home
|in the draw somewhere.
|
|Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that will
take. I'm
|kinda stunned that's news.
|
|As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what
|assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not.
|heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I don't
care. It's
|been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times!
We'll all
|look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp breath,
and
|step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people walking
about
|without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know.
|
|And Go.
|
|On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com
|wrote:
| what you not happy to basically call me  a liar on the list?
|
| you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight?
|
| over a telephone???
|
| I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks
|
|
| On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
wrote:
|
| Hi David Thiessen,
|
| |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think
| |it
| is
| |
| |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not
| |buy him a
| lollie in
| |the supermarket
| |
| |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed
| |
| |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe
|
|
| Okay, that's EOC here.  If you want to email me of list or discuss
| this face to face feel free to email me directly at
| b...@totalenviro.com
|
|

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

Damn you. You had to bring my face into it and make it personal!

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
 No you're face is a chicken.
 ---
 Regards,
 Scott Barnes
 http://www.riagenic.com



 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
 wrote:

 Why don't you two get a room? :)

 In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't
 have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible.
 They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I
 don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone
 for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority
 of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The
 phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your
 phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't
 make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to
 a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are
 not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere)
 and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade.

 I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone
 7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many
 phones I have at home in the draw somewhere.

 Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that
 will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news.

 As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what
 assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or
 not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking
 sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on
 this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If
 you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know,
 outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without
 computers n stuff. :)
 We're all in this together, ya know.

 And Go.

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  what you not happy to basically call me  a liar on the list?
 
  you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight?
 
  over a telephone???
 
  I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks
 
 
  On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
  wrote:
 
  Hi David Thiessen,
 
  |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think
  it
  is
  |
  |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not buy
  him a
  lollie in
  |the supermarket
  |
  |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed
  |
  |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe
 
 
  Okay, that's EOC here.  If you want to email me of list or discuss this
  face
  to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when
they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They
abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I
stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably
some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there.

My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich
update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes
with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing
ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support
calls don't come in when they roll it out?

I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do
this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we
aren't perfect.

The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain
on here on this list or go and do something about it?

Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;)

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 Hi Stephen,

 Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or
 years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure
 the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the
 contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime;
 obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the software
 and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with
 that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year and
 OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being
 current.  Android has been all over the place, but the big players such as
 Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS
 updates (eg Galaxy II).  For Windows Phone there isn't that.

 Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my own
 phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people
 they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot
 better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for
 the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the
 better.


 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |Why don't you two get a room? :)
 |
 |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have to
 make
 |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible.
 |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I don't
 think
 |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer
 improved
 |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a
 draw
 |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if you
 are
 |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the
 contract
 |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option
 to
 |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then
 phones
 |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere)
 and no
 |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade.
 |
 |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7.
 Thats
 |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I have at
 home
 |in the draw somewhere.
 |
 |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that will
 take. I'm
 |kinda stunned that's news.
 |
 |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what
 |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not.
 |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I don't
 care. It's
 |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times!
 We'll all
 |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp breath,
 and
 |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people walking
 about
 |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know.
 |
 |And Go.
 |
 |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com
 |wrote:
 | what you not happy to basically call me  a liar on the list?
 |
 | you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight?
 |
 | over a telephone???
 |
 | I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks
 |
 |
 | On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 wrote:
 |
 | Hi David Thiessen,
 |
 | |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think
 | |it
 | is
 | |
 | |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not
 | |buy him a
 | lollie in
 | |the supermarket
 | |
 | |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-27 Thread Scott Barnes

you're face is a chicken :)
---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:06 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

 your, not you're :)

 Mike


 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.comwrote:

 No you're face is a chicken.
 ---
 Regards,
 Scott Barnes
 http://www.riagenic.com



 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com
  wrote:

 Why don't you two get a room? :)

 In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't
 have to make new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible.
 They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I
 don't think that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone
 for a newer improved one is a bad one to make. These days the majority
 of phones end up in a draw somewhere in less than three years. The
 phones cost almost nothing (if you are on a plan where you got your
 phone for $0 and you get to the end of the contract period, they don't
 make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the option to upgrade to
 a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then phones are
 not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere)
 and no amount of new features would compel you to upgrade.

 I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone
 7. Thats just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many
 phones I have at home in the draw somewhere.

 Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that
 will take. I'm kinda stunned that's news.

 As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what
 assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or
 not. heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking
 sides, I don't care. It's been too long since anyone's butted heads on
 this list so, good times! We'll all look back on this and laugh. If
 you have any sense. Take a dp breath, and step outside. You know,
 outside where there's sunshine and people walking about without
 computers n stuff. :)
 We're all in this together, ya know.

 And Go.

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  what you not happy to basically call me  a liar on the list?
 
  you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight?
 
  over a telephone???
 
  I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks
 
 
  On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 wrote:
 
  Hi David Thiessen,
 
  |so... no not after the fact, as much as your ego would like to think
 it
  is
  |
  |seriously, get over it, you act like a child who's mummy will not
 buy him a
  lollie in
  |the supermarket
  |
  |yeah and you can't read, thats what i said i assumed
  |
  |you need to get over your self mate, have a cry mybe
 
 
  Okay, that's EOC here.  If you want to email me of list or discuss
 this face
  to face feel free to email me directly at b...@totalenviro.com
 
 





 --
 Meski

http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

 Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
 you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot?

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they
abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned
my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with
windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print
somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there.

My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich
update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with
that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are
they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in
when they roll it out?

I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this.
Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect.

The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here
on this list or go and do something about it?

Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;)

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 Hi Stephen,

 Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months 
 or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm 
 pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the 
 length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a 
 current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in 
 that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect 
 to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates 
 of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence 
 you can be sure to get two years of being current.  Android has been 
 all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also 
 moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy
II).  For Windows Phone there isn't that.

 Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of 
 my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend 
 to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. 
 It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be 
 worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the 
 new devices out the better.

 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |Why don't you two get a room? :)
 |
 |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't 
 |have to
 make
 |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible.
 |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I 
 |don't
 think
 |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer
 improved
 |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in 
 |a
 draw
 |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing 
 |(if you
 are
 |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of 
 |the
 contract
 |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the 
 |option
 to
 |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old 
 |then
 phones
 |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay 
 |elsewhere)
 and no
 |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade.
 |
 |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7.
 Thats
 |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I 
 |have at
 home
 |in the draw somewhere.
 |
 |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that 
 |will
 take. I'm
 |kinda stunned that's news.
 |
 |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what 
 |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not.
 |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I 
 |don't
 care. It's
 |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times!
 We'll all
 |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp 
 |breath,
 and
 |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people 
 |walking
 about
 |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know.
 |
 |And Go.
 |
 |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com
 |wrote:
 | what you not happy to basically call me  a liar on the list?
 |
 | you want meet face to face now... what to have a fight?
 |
 | over a telephone???
 |
 | I am not the one who has the problem bill, i am fine thanks
 |
 |
 | On 27 June 2012 15:03, Bill McCarthy

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced


For Microsoft it will hurt phone sales. Depending how well WinRT tablets
sell will be the pre-curser to the phone moving again. I think it will be a
bit of a mixed bag with Windows 8.  There'll probably be some push back from
desktop based environments, but the exception to that will be businesses
using a lot of devices where the phone and tablet do a make a compelling
reason to standardise on the platform.

With Windows 8, again a lot of people think Microsoft could have made it a
lot better experience for Windows users without sacrificing any of the
immersive experience for tablet users. For Windows Phone 8, many also think
Microsoft could have done a lot better job. The Windows 8 core should
however, combined with the negative feedback they've got on the lack of
upgrade, really make it a lot less likely the same mistakes will be made
again.

As to the discussion on this list, I think it would have been over long ago
if it weren't for some claiming everyone should have known better, or others
claiming it was okay due to starving people elsewhere in the world ;)

It would have been nice to see some technical discussion as to what the
hurdles are to providing the upgrade to existing devices.

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
|Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 9:25 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they
|abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned
my
|laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with windows
XP. It
|actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print somewhere
|saying to bad, I'm on my own there.
|
|My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich
update. I
|could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with that. Or buy
one of
|their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are they just busy
making it
|work properly so the support calls don't come in when they roll it out?
|
|I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this.
Won't be
|the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect.
|
|The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on
here on
|this list or go and do something about it?
|
|Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;)
|
|On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy
|bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
| Hi Stephen,
|
| Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months
| or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm
| pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the
| length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a
| current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in
| that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect
| to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates
| of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence
| you can be sure to get two years of being current.  Android has been
| all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also
| moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy
|II).  For Windows Phone there isn't that.
|
| Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of
| my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend
| to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame.
| It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be
| worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the
| new devices out the better.
|
|
| |-Original Message-
| |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
| |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
| |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM
| |To: ozDotNet
| |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
| |
| |Why don't you two get a room? :)
| |
| |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't
| |have to
| make
| |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible.
| |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I
| |don't
| think
| |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer
| improved
| |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in
| |a
| draw
| |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing
| |(if you
| are
| |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of
| |the
| contract
| |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the
| |option
| to
| |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old
| |then
| phones
| |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay
| |elsewhere)
| and no
| |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade.
| |
| |I, for example, have

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

HP LaserJet 1000.
Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see
if I can find it now. lol

Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
 What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot?

 Cheers
 Ken

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they
 abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned
 my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with
 windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print
 somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there.

 My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich
 update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with
 that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are
 they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in
 when they roll it out?

 I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this.
 Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect.

 The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here
 on this list or go and do something about it?

 Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;)

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 Hi Stephen,

 Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months
 or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm
 pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the
 length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a
 current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in
 that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect
 to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates
 of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence
 you can be sure to get two years of being current.  Android has been
 all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also
 moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy
 II).  For Windows Phone there isn't that.

 Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of
 my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend
 to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame.
 It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be
 worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the
 new devices out the better.


 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |Why don't you two get a room? :)
 |
 |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't
 |have to
 make
 |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible.
 |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I
 |don't
 think
 |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer
 improved
 |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in
 |a
 draw
 |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing
 |(if you
 are
 |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of
 |the
 contract
 |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the
 |option
 to
 |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old
 |then
 phones
 |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay
 |elsewhere)
 and no
 |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade.
 |
 |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7.
 Thats
 |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I
 |have at
 home
 |in the draw somewhere.
 |
 |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that
 |will
 take. I'm
 |kinda stunned that's news.
 |
 |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what
 |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not.
 |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I
 |don't
 care. It's
 |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times!
 We'll all
 |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp
 |breath,
 and
 |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people
 |walking
 about
 |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know.
 |
 |And Go.
 |
 |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com
 |wrote:
 | what you not happy

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

hehe. found it. I should apologise to HP, it is actually a Toshiba
Pocket PC e740. (which is why Toshiba is also on my shit list.). I did
own a Palm III before the Toshiba, had no probs with that for what it
was. Black and white device. Maybe I should be pissed at Microsoft
that it won't run Windows 8? They didn't think this through did they?

You'll probably tell me that Windows 8 will install on the Toshiba
yeah? awesome... That *would* be impressive!

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
 What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot?

 Cheers
 Ken

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when they
 abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They abandoned
 my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I stay with
 windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably some fine print
 somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there.

 My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich
 update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes with
 that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing ploy or are
 they just busy making it work properly so the support calls don't come in
 when they roll it out?

 I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do this.
 Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't perfect.

 The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain on here
 on this list or go and do something about it?

 Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;)

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 Hi Stephen,

 Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months
 or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm
 pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the
 length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a
 current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in
 that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably expect
 to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release dates
 of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: hence
 you can be sure to get two years of being current.  Android has been
 all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also
 moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy
 II).  For Windows Phone there isn't that.

 Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of
 my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend
 to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame.
 It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be
 worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the
 new devices out the better.


 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |Why don't you two get a room? :)
 |
 |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't
 |have to
 make
 |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible.
 |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I
 |don't
 think
 |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer
 improved
 |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in
 |a
 draw
 |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing
 |(if you
 are
 |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of
 |the
 contract
 |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the
 |option
 to
 |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old
 |then
 phones
 |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay
 |elsewhere)
 and no
 |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade.
 |
 |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7.
 Thats
 |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I
 |have at
 home
 |in the draw somewhere.
 |
 |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that
 |will
 take. I'm
 |kinda stunned that's news.
 |
 |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what
 |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or not.
 |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I
 |don't
 care. It's
 |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times!
 We'll all
 |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had -
Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm

The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer
market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago
(2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something
that old.

So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products,
yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows
Phone? Odd

Disclaimer: I work for HP

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

HP LaserJet 1000.
Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I
can find it now. lol

Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
 What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot?

 Cheers
 Ken

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
 [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when 
 they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They 
 abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I 
 stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably 
 some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there.

 My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich 
 update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes 
 with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing 
 ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support 
 calls don't come in when they roll it out?

 I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do
this.
 Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't
perfect.

 The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain 
 on here on this list or go and do something about it?

 Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. 
 ;)

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy 
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 Hi Stephen,

 Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months 
 or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm 
 pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the 
 length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a 
 current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in 
 that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably 
 expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release 
 dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: 
 hence you can be sure to get two years of being current.  Android has 
 been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also 
 moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg 
 Galaxy
 II).  For Windows Phone there isn't that.

 Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of 
 my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend 
 to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame.
 It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be 
 worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the 
 new devices out the better.


 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |Why don't you two get a room? :)
 |
 |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't 
 |have to
 make
 |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible.
 |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I 
 |don't
 think
 |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a 
 |newer
 improved
 |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up 
 |in a
 draw
 |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing 
 |(if you
 are
 |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of 
 |the
 contract
 |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the 
 |option
 to
 |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old 
 |then
 phones
 |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay
 |elsewhere)
 and no
 |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade.
 |
 |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7.
 Thats
 |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I 
 |have at
 home

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense.

The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there
were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just
abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed
with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples,
are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is
plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then
in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the
carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is
now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No
drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it,
of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of
driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing
support where I have a choice.

I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If
I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up
about it.

Disclaimer: I'm human.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
 Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had -
 Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm

 The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer
 market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago
 (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something
 that old.

 So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products,
 yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows
 Phone? Odd

 Disclaimer: I work for HP

 Cheers
 Ken

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 HP LaserJet 1000.
 Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I
 can find it now. lol

 Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period.

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
 What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot?

 Cheers
 Ken

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
 [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when
 they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They
 abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I
 stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably
 some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there.

 My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich
 update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes
 with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing
 ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support
 calls don't come in when they roll it out?

 I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do
 this.
 Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't
 perfect.

 The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain
 on here on this list or go and do something about it?

 Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low.
 ;)

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 Hi Stephen,

 Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months
 or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm
 pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the
 length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a
 current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in
 that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably
 expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the release
 dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1:
 hence you can be sure to get two years of being current.  Android has
 been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also
 moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg
 Galaxy
 II).  For Windows Phone there isn't that.

 Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of
 my own phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend
 to people they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame.
 It'd be a lot better if people could upgrade: would probably still be
 worth waiting for the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the
 new devices out the better.


 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Apparently XP printer drivers for LJ1000 work in Vista :)

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/itprovistaprinting/thread/9
0bbd29f-6ab8-4192-8bbc-923558781cb5/
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Printer-All-in-One-Software/HP-Laserjet-1000-to
-work-under-VISTA-OS-or-replace-drivers/td-p/313905

HTH

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Stephen Price
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:25 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense.

The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there were no
drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just abandoned it for no
reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed with XP. The difference
between the printer and the phone examples, are, the phone keeps working. I
has no dependency on what it is plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to
keep using the phone then in 10 years it will still work (depending of
course on the fact the carriers still exist and are running their services).
The printer is now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory.
No drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it, of
course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of driver
support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing support where I
have a choice.

I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If I'm
not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up about it.

Disclaimer: I'm human.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
 Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you 
 had - Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm

 The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer 
 market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago 
 (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting 
 something that old.

 So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient 
 products, yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy 
 another Windows Phone? Odd

 Disclaimer: I work for HP

 Cheers
 Ken

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
 [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 HP LaserJet 1000.
 Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see 
 if I can find it now. lol

 Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period.

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com
wrote:
 What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot?

 Cheers
 Ken

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
 [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when 
 they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. 
 They abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works 
 fine, if I stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. 
 There's probably some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own
there.

 My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich 
 update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes 
 with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing 
 ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support 
 calls don't come in when they roll it out?

 I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do
 this.
 Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't
 perfect.

 The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain 
 on here on this list or go and do something about it?

 Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low.
 ;)

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy 
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 Hi Stephen,

 Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months 
 or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm 
 pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for 
 the length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a 
 current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in 
 that time, but the software and apps available you'd reasonably 
 expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the 
 release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly
of +1:
 hence you can be sure to get two years of being current.  Android 
 has been all over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are 
 also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS updates 
 (eg Galaxy
 II).  For Windows Phone

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

No, Bill wrong again

read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are

but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for
months after they used to wipe the floor
becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact.

i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong again,
you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not
your problem? lol ;)

and if you read what i posted on this subject and what I said,
you have no case period, if you like it or not

you seem to think you can just imply someone is lying about things
becuase they looked/read/listened
to different information than you obviouly have and came up with a
different conclusion

Not a lot to discuss, the phone is not upgradable, thats it

if you are upset about it, thats fine... but no need to vent your
anger on me, I am not Microsoft


On 27 June 2012 19:24, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote:
 Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense.

 The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there
 were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just
 abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed
 with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples,
 are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is
 plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then
 in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the
 carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is
 now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No
 drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it,
 of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of
 driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing
 support where I have a choice.

 I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If
 I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up
 about it.

 Disclaimer: I'm human.

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
 Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had -
 Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm

 The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer
 market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago
 (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something
 that old.

 So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products,
 yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows
 Phone? Odd

 Disclaimer: I work for HP

 Cheers
 Ken

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 HP LaserJet 1000.
 Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I
 can find it now. lol

 Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period.

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
 What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot?

 Cheers
 Ken

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
 [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when
 they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They
 abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I
 stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably
 some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there.

 My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich
 update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes
 with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing
 ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support
 calls don't come in when they roll it out?

 I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do
 this.
 Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't
 perfect.

 The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain
 on here on this list or go and do something about it?

 Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low.
 ;)

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 Hi Stephen,

 Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months
 or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm
 pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the
 length of the contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a
 current lifetime; obviously there will be hardware improvements in
 that time, but the software and apps

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

p.s. i was not picking any fights if you care to read back

but nice attempt at a smear

On 27 June 2012 19:55, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, Bill wrong again

 read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are

 but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for
 months after they used to wipe the floor
 becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact.

 i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong again,
 you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not
 your problem? lol ;)

 and if you read what i posted on this subject and what I said,
 you have no case period, if you like it or not

 you seem to think you can just imply someone is lying about things
 becuase they looked/read/listened
 to different information than you obviouly have and came up with a
 different conclusion

 Not a lot to discuss, the phone is not upgradable, thats it

 if you are upset about it, thats fine... but no need to vent your
 anger on me, I am not Microsoft


 On 27 June 2012 19:24, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote:
 Hey, I make my decisions based on emotions. I never said they made sense.

 The crazy thing about the printer was that when Vista came out there
 were no drivers for it. (fine in the short term but they just
 abandoned it for no reason) The printer worked just fine if I stayed
 with XP. The difference between the printer and the phone examples,
 are, the phone keeps working. I has no dependency on what it is
 plugged into (to a degree). If I choose to keep using the phone then
 in 10 years it will still work (depending of course on the fact the
 carriers still exist and are running their services). The printer is
 now unusable. Its not a stand alone device, its an accessory. No
 drivers no work. Yeah, I guess I could get a machine and put XP on it,
 of course. But my decision to not buy HP stands based on their lack of
 driver support. I chose who I buy stuff from based on the ongoing
 support where I have a choice.

 I'm going to end this now before I contradict myself even further. If
 I'm not careful I'll end up arguing with myself and beat myself up
 about it.

 Disclaimer: I'm human.

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
 Well, I don't see why you think HP dropped support for the Pilot you had -
 Palm would have dropped support long before we bought Palm

 The LaserJet 1000 was the cheapest of HP's laser printers - a consumer
 market device, with a USB v1.1 port, that was introduced 11 years ago
 (2001). I'm not sure why you think HP would be still supporting something
 that old.

 So, you are boycotting HP because they drop support for ancient products,
 yet you think that Microsoft's decision is OK, and you'd buy another Windows
 Phone? Odd

 Disclaimer: I work for HP

 Cheers
 Ken

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:01 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 HP LaserJet 1000.
 Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see if I
 can find it now. lol

 Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period.

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
 What model printer? And what model Palm Pilot?

 Cheers
 Ken

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
 [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 7:25 PM
 To: ozDotNet
 Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when
 they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They
 abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I
 stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably
 some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there.

 My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich
 update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes
 with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing
 ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support
 calls don't come in when they roll it out?

 I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do
 this.
 Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we aren't
 perfect.

 The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain
 on here on this list or go and do something about it?

 Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low.
 ;)

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 Hi Stephen,

 Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months
 or years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm
 pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote:

 I know where you are coming from. There is a cost for a company when
 they abandon a product. To this day, I will never buy a HP again. They


Aww.  (cries)


 abandoned my laser printer and my palm pilot. Printer works fine, if I
 stay with windows XP. It actually won't work anymore. There's probably
 some fine print somewhere saying to bad, I'm on my own there.


You mean the printers that rely on most of their s/w functionality being in
the computer, rather than PS or PDL in the printer?


 My Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 is still waiting for an Ice Cream Sandwich
 update. I could put it on there myself if I want the pain that goes
 with that. Or buy one of their new products that has ICS. Marketing
 ploy or are they just busy making it work properly so the support
 calls don't come in when they roll it out?


I've got a 10.1 Samsung, possibly I don't want ICS if it makes it unstable.
 If Samsung introduce it, I guess I'll go for it.

I wouldn't buy that size again, it's uncomfortable size to use as a ebook.


 I'm not saying its a good thing but Microsoft are not the first to do
 this. Won't be the last. It's still being driven by humans, and we
 aren't perfect.


Sniff.  speak for yourself :)



 The real question is, so what are you going to do about it? Complain
 on here on this list or go and do something about it?

 Still can't believe Scott dragged my face into this. That's just low. ;)

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Bill McCarthy
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
  Hi Stephen,
 
  Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or
  years. In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure
  the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the
  contracts. So two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime;
  obviously there will be hardware improvements in that time, but the
 software
  and apps available you'd reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with
  that by controlling the release dates of devices to a new device a year
 and
  OS support roughly of +1: hence you can be sure to get two years of being
  current.  Android has been all over the place, but the big players such
 as
  Samsung are also moving to give that period of currency by providing OS
  updates (eg Galaxy II).  For Windows Phone there isn't that.
 
  Personally the thing about this I dislike the most is not the fate of my
 own
  phone (I do like my lumia), but that I can no longer recommend to people
  they currently buy a windows phone. This is the real shame. It'd be a lot
  better if people could upgrade: would probably still be worth waiting for
  the newer devices for NFC. The sooner they get the new devices out the
  better.
 
 
  |-Original Message-
  |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
  |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
  |Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 8:29 PM
  |To: ozDotNet
  |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
  |
  |Why don't you two get a room? :)
  |
  |In an attempt to throw petrol onto a cooling fire, Microsoft don't have
 to
  make
  |new devices backward compatible. Or forward compatible.
  |They make decisions, like any project, on what new releases mean. I
 don't
  think
  |that assuming people will be happy to upgrade their phone for a newer
  improved
  |one is a bad one to make. These days the majority of phones end up in a
  draw
  |somewhere in less than three years. The phones cost almost nothing (if
 you
  are
  |on a plan where you got your phone for $0 and you get to the end of the
  contract
  |period, they don't make your plan cheaper for example.) You get the
 option
  to
  |upgrade to a newer phone. If your phone is older than 2 years old then
  phones
  |are not that important to you (or you're money priorities lay elsewhere)
  and no
  |amount of new features would compel you to upgrade.
  |
  |I, for example, have three phones. Android, Iphone, and Windows phone 7.
  Thats
  |just the phones I carry in my bag, I have no idea how many phones I
 have at
  home
  |in the draw somewhere.
  |
  |Your phone will be out of date. Its just a question of how long that
 will
  take. I'm
  |kinda stunned that's news.
  |
  |As for you two fighting over what information was available, and what
  |assumptions people made about if they can upgrade their new phone or
 not.
  |heheh... it really really must tick you off. I'm not taking sides, I
 don't
  care. It's
  |been too long since anyone's butted heads on this list so, good times!
  We'll all
  |look back on this and laugh. If you have any sense. Take a dp
 breath,
  and
  |step outside. You know, outside where there's sunshine and people
 walking
  about
  |without computers n stuff. :) We're all in this together, ya know.
  |
  |And Go.
  |
  |On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 6:15 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com
  |wrote:
  | what you not happy

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Stephen Price
step...@perthprojects.comwrote:

 HP LaserJet 1000.
 Don't remember the model of the palm now. I guess I'll have to go see
 if I can find it now. lol

 Hmm it wasn't an ipaq but it was from the same period.


Want one for spares?

snipt old emails

-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.comwrote:

 No, Bill wrong again

 read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they are

 but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for
 months after they used to wipe the floor
 becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact.


As opposed to a party that thinks policy is saying no.


 i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong
 again,
 you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not
 your problem? lol ;)


Supporter?  No, but I would argue that she represents the lesser of two
evils.

 S

-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it
you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next
time

but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT
RIGHT RIGHT?

On 27 June 2012 21:48, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:55 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.comwrote:

 No, Bill wrong again

 read my posts in twitter and you will see, i only tell people what they
 are

 but left leaning morons in twitter like to cotinue to abuse people for
 months after they used to wipe the floor
 becuase they think Gillard/Swan/ALP spin is fact.


 As opposed to a party that thinks policy is saying no.


 i debate many issues, many issues, so sorry but you are totally wrong
 again,
 you would not be a Gillard supporter by any chance? hope that is not
 your problem? lol ;)


 Supporter?  No, but I would argue that she represents the lesser of two
 evils.

  S

 --
 Meski

http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

 Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
 you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

I thought this was ozdotnet, not ozdotpolitics.

 

Anyway, if you want to argue politics, at least have some statistics to back
it up. You wouldn't write code that accepted unverified input to produce an
output would you? So why expect anything less of anyway else.

 

/peace out

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of .net noobie
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:13 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 

so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it
you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next
time

 

but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT RIGHT
RIGHT?

much snippage /

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-27 Thread Scott Barnes

You dont write code like that? ... umm.. oh crap, i'm doing it wrong :D
hehehe

Yeah, maybe its time to call Time of Thread Death on this one. Watching
you guys haggle this out via forum with nobody from Microsoft jumping in to
clarify is like watching two mullet bogans at a bathurst track arguing over
Ford vs Holden.

It doesn't matter which is right, you just can't but help stare at the
mullets.

---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:

 I thought this was ozdotnet, not ozdotpolitics.

 ** **

 Anyway, if you want to argue politics, at least have some statistics to
 back it up. You wouldn’t write code that accepted unverified input to
 produce an output would you? So why expect anything less of anyway else.**
 **

 ** **

 /peace out

 ** **

 Cheers

 Ken

 ** **

 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *.net noobie
 *Sent:* Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:13 AM

 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 ** **

 so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it

 you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next
 time

  

 but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT
 RIGHT RIGHT?

 much snippage /

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-27 Thread Nick Randolph

Yes this thread will not be upgradable to future versions of this list...

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Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the 
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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 8:52 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

You dont write code like that? ... umm.. oh crap, i'm doing it wrong :D hehehe

Yeah, maybe its time to call Time of Thread Death on this one. Watching you 
guys haggle this out via forum with nobody from Microsoft jumping in to clarify 
is like watching two mullet bogans at a bathurst track arguing over Ford vs 
Holden.

It doesn't matter which is right, you just can't but help stare at the mullets.

---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Ken Schaefer 
k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote:
I thought this was ozdotnet, not ozdotpolitics.

Anyway, if you want to argue politics, at least have some statistics to back it 
up. You wouldn't write code that accepted unverified input to produce an output 
would you? So why expect anything less of anyway else.

/peace out

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of .net noobie
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 12:13 AM

To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

so ALP saying NO NO NO for 11 years stright in opisition was ok.. ok got it

you been conned sorry mate, try facts not gillard spin to back you up next time

but if you say NO NO NO to policies that FAIL FAIL FAIL, are you RIGHT RIGHT 
RIGHT?
much snippage /

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-27 Thread Chris Walsh

Bill, 

I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for the 
length of the contracts

Complete bullhonky there mate.  Telco's can have whatever length of contract 
they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control.  You can pay 
extra to the telco and NOT get a 24month play, you get the luck of the draw 
getting a phone on contract.  The ACCC tried to enforce it, but the ACCC didn't 
have a leg to stand on.

As for the commentary on whether 1st  2nd gen handsets would get the update, 
let's have a discussion about this.

Take a step back and look at your Lumia 800/900 new device for a minute.  The 
silicon running that device is 2+ years old, single core, no expandable memory, 
16GB of flash, with 512MB of RAM. 

As for the reason why existing devices couldn't be upgraded, you only need to 
look at the Shared Core features to realise that WP8 Core has been 
re-written from the ground up.  Basically putting existing gen 1  gen 2 
device manufacturers  Microsoft in a position, where they need to create new 
bootloaders to support Secure Boot  bitlocker encryption, even if they could 
magically do that, they've then got to repartition the NAND which stores the 
OS, RIL firmware, and even the separate update partition.  Try bundling that up 
into an update and pushing it out to existing devices.  Short answer is you 
can't.  To repartition the NAND you need to supply a complete device image 
(FFU), inside the FFU the partition maps are picked up by updatewp aka Zune 
and your device is repartitioned ready for the update.  One little tidbit, 
you've just lost your ENTIRE OS image, data, SMS messages and the Plants vs 
Zombie saved games you were hanging onto because you'd gotten past the first 
level.  And we all know that you can't backup anything with WP7+ devices :)  

Now that you've got a device image, you have one, there are 15+ devices out 
there, each device has the possibility of having a DIFFERENT image for each 
Mobile Operator, with 300+ MO's out there, you are looking at creating 4500+ 
complete device images.  Do you have any idea how long it takes to create 
complete device images?  Even once you've created one, the MO needs to TEST the 
image, they find an issue, it's sent back to the handset maker to fix, if it's 
Microsoft issue, then it goes back up the chain to fix a core issue, then 
another image is created, and you repeat the process, over  over  over again.

Miraculously the MO's have tested and approved the update, you have to cross 
your fingers, legs, toes  basically anything else when the END USERS are 
performing a COMPLETE device re-flash.  If there was one little stuff up, the 
user failed to download the update correctly, user was updating his/her device 
with a shitty 3rd party microUSB cable, they've now got a brick, a brick that 
can't be recovered.  The only possibility of a recover is if they didn't stuff 
up the bootloader flash, which is generally the first thing that gets flashed, 
which if something was to go wrong, is the first thing to break.  Even having 
the ability to JTAG a device, it won't recover it (if you are lucky to have a 
device that it's JTAG isn't locked).

Now, you've got a bricked device, that's out of warranty, but bricked because 
Microsoft  the Handset manufacturers decided to push down an update, even 
though you ticked a million boxes saying updating it was your fault, the end 
user still has a whinge, complains to 10+ people about shitty company X  Y 
because they bricked their phone, they'll also complain to the MO and most 
likely move to another carrier.  If the update was somehow successful, how many 
people was that end user tell and phrase Microsoft to?  Your answer is 1-2.  
But you are still going to whinge about losing your Plants vs Zombie game saves!

Now you've got a commercial issue which is really a cluster f**k of a decision 
and I've got no idea on how they make those.

Make sense?


-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June 2012 9:13 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Hi Stephen,

Yes phones will be out of date, the question is whether it is months or years. 
In Australia, typical contracts are 24 months, and I'm pretty sure the ACCC 
told telcos they had to warranty devices for the length of the contracts. So 
two years is fair to expect to be a current lifetime; obviously there will be 
hardware improvements in that time, but the software and apps available you'd 
reasonably expect to be current. Apple deal with that by controlling the 
release dates of devices to a new device a year and OS support roughly of +1: 
hence you can be sure to get two years of being current.  Android has been all 
over the place, but the big players such as Samsung are also moving to give 
that period of currency by providing OS updates (eg Galaxy II).  For Windows 
Phone

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-27 Thread Chris Walsh

Hi Bill, 

Have you actually read it?  

Telstra has decided to do what's right and fair for consumers, and has been 
negotiating with manufacturers to bring in warranty periods that last for the 
length of a consumer's contract

They key word, negotiating.

If you want the 24 month warranty, you need to PAY for that extra feature if 
the handset manufacturer doesn't offer the 24 month policy.  HTC do.

http://www.telstra.com.au/mobile-phones/premium-care-mobile-insurance/?red=/mobile/premium-care-mobile-insurance.html


Nice little bit about the Excluding Apple scenario.  Bet the iFanBoys aren't 
crying about it.

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 11:05 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

HI Chris,

|I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for 
|the
length
|of the contracts
|
|Complete bullhonky there mate.  Telco's can have whatever length of
contract
|they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control.  

ACCC issues warning to telcos:
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/924924

Telstra takes steps to strengthen warranties:
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/950648/fromItemId/142

Optus provides 24 month warranties:
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/966482

Vodafon:
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/909293/fromItemId/142






|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Chris Walsh
|Sent: Thursday, 28 June 2012 9:22 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Bill,
|
|I'm pretty sure the ACCC told telcos they had to warranty devices for 
|the
length
|of the contracts
|
|Complete bullhonky there mate.  Telco's can have whatever length of
contract
|they like, the Hardware warranty isn't anything they can control.  You 
|can
pay
|extra to the telco and NOT get a 24month play, you get the luck of the 
|draw getting a phone on contract.  The ACCC tried to enforce it, but 
|the ACCC
didn't
|have a leg to stand on.
|
|As for the commentary on whether 1st  2nd gen handsets would get the
update,
|let's have a discussion about this.
|
|Take a step back and look at your Lumia 800/900 new device for a minute.
The
|silicon running that device is 2+ years old, single core, no expandable
memory,
|16GB of flash, with 512MB of RAM.
|
|As for the reason why existing devices couldn't be upgraded, you only 
|need
to
|look at the Shared Core features to realise that WP8 Core has been
re-written
|from the ground up.  Basically putting existing gen 1  gen 2 device 
|manufacturers  Microsoft in a position, where they need to create new 
|bootloaders to support Secure Boot  bitlocker encryption, even if 
|they
could
|magically do that, they've then got to repartition the NAND which 
|stores
the OS,
|RIL firmware, and even the separate update partition.  Try bundling 
|that up
into
|an update and pushing it out to existing devices.  Short answer is you
can't.  To
|repartition the NAND you need to supply a complete device image (FFU),
inside
|the FFU the partition maps are picked up by updatewp aka Zune and 
|your
device
|is repartitioned ready for the update.  One little tidbit, you've just 
|lost
your
|ENTIRE OS image, data, SMS messages and the Plants vs Zombie saved 
|games you were hanging onto because you'd gotten past the first level.  
|And we
all know
|that you can't backup anything with WP7+ devices :)
|
|Now that you've got a device image, you have one, there are 15+ devices 
|out there, each device has the possibility of having a DIFFERENT image 
|for each Mobile Operator, with 300+ MO's out there, you are looking at 
|creating
4500+
|complete device images.  Do you have any idea how long it takes to 
|create complete device images?  Even once you've created one, the MO 
|needs to TEST the image, they find an issue, it's sent back to the 
|handset maker to fix,
if it's
|Microsoft issue, then it goes back up the chain to fix a core issue, 
|then
another
|image is created, and you repeat the process, over  over  over again.
|
|Miraculously the MO's have tested and approved the update, you have to
cross
|your fingers, legs, toes  basically anything else when the END USERS 
|are performing a COMPLETE device re-flash.  If there was one little 
|stuff up,
the user
|failed to download the update correctly, user was updating his/her 
|device
with a
|shitty 3rd party microUSB cable, they've now got a brick, a brick that
can't be
|recovered.  The only possibility of a recover is if they didn't stuff 
|up
the
|bootloader flash, which is generally the first thing that gets flashed,
which if
|something was to go wrong, is the first thing to break.  Even having 
|the
ability to
|JTAG a device, it won't recover it (if you are lucky to have a device 
|that
it's JTAG
|isn't locked).
|
|Now, you've

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.comwrote:



 Hmmm, Microsoft, can you say bridesmaid ? :)



 But it has to run Android :-P


Really, that doesn't matter.  What matters is that you can pick it up and
use it easily, and that it has a large app market.  iOS and Android both
qualify here, W8, probably will soon.  When there's a tablet available that
runs it?




-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-26 Thread Bill McCarthy

Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and one of
the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia would be upgradable to
win8

Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. Let's jump
forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there was a lot of
speculation over the same thing:
http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-apollo

Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it would
upgrade.

And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running on a
currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it can't be
done is clearly wrong.

But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim people
knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. Clearly a lot
of people thought it would. And for the average consumer, I think they'd
expect the same. If I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's
getting updated to ICS tomorrow. If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you
can update it to iOS 5 (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in
beta.

The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft has
begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. Win mobile
just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX.  Just how high do
they rate consumer confidence ?  Really, it's no wonder that although WP is
really nice it remains such a small market share (and most likely to plummet
even further over the coming months).  

It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;)



|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
|Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|nov 2011
|http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7-
|wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b-
|d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a
|
|windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before
|
|talking to people on twitter
|
|etc,
|
|the net is a big place
|
|I said rumors on blogs...  not major review sites
|
|but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a
year ago
|but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking
the
|arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it
|
|
|
|
|On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
wrote:
| That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some
| references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top
| listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming but none
| that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall
| seeing any phone reviews that in their review of the latest WP said
| there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be upgradable.
|
| |-Original Message-
| |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
| |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie
| |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM
| |To: ozDotNet
| |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
| |
| |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what
| |podcast,
| etc
| |
| |I was not talking about the smart phone market
| |
| |Sent from my Windows Phone
| |
| |
| |
| |From: mike smith
| |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00
| |To: ozDotNet
| |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
| |
| |
| |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com
| |wrote:
| |
| |
| |       Well, this is not a compitition
| |
| |
| |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :)
| |
| |
| |
| |       and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the
| impression
| |quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7
| |devices
| to
| |wp8,
| |       I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to
| |the one
| podcast i
| |mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people
| |debating
| it as far
| |back as mid to end of 2011
| |
| |       I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you
| | would
| be
| |able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either?
| |
| |
| |I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get
| |some
| form of
| |recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a
| |new release.
| |
| |
| |
| |       If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8
| | OS, I
| have
| |no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS
| |wanted
| to
| |basically run win8 on a phone...
| |       I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |Or were they pressured by carriers?   They more often support handset
| |churn
| than
| |the SW manufacturers.  From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing
| |to
| gain and
| |everything to lose by doing this.  (I exaggerate a bit)
| |
| |       but i think the min spec for wp7

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-26 Thread .net noobie

Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but
rumours/speculation

I then said the  rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet

I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them,

I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself

feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I
read/saw/listened to a year+ ago

I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they
are going to have the advantage in respect to
having PC's, Tablets and Phones all running the same basically OS
potentially giving the tablet and phone all the abilities/features of a PC
run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff etc
etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices
so maybe this will be somthing companies like, that is the what i have
gathered anyway, if it is correct i don't know

I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box

As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice
cover and claim it is some new wiz bang device
then get it made by kids in a factory in china with, then charge 3
times it's value to suckers





On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and one of
 the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia would be upgradable to
 win8

 Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. Let's jump
 forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there was a lot of
 speculation over the same thing:
 http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-apollo

 Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it would
 upgrade.

 And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running on a
 currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it can't be
 done is clearly wrong.

 But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim people
 knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. Clearly a lot
 of people thought it would. And for the average consumer, I think they'd
 expect the same. If I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's
 getting updated to ICS tomorrow. If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you
 can update it to iOS 5 (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in
 beta.

 The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft has
 begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. Win mobile
 just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX.  Just how high do
 they rate consumer confidence ?  Really, it's no wonder that although WP is
 really nice it remains such a small market share (and most likely to plummet
 even further over the coming months).

 It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;)



 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
 |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |nov 2011
 |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7-
 |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b-
 |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a
 |
 |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before
 |
 |talking to people on twitter
 |
 |etc,
 |
 |the net is a big place
 |
 |I said rumors on blogs...  not major review sites
 |
 |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a
 year ago
 |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking
 the
 |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 wrote:
 | That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some
 | references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top
 | listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming but none
 | that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall
 | seeing any phone reviews that in their review of the latest WP said
 | there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be upgradable.
 |
 | |-Original Message-
 | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie
 | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM
 | |To: ozDotNet
 | |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 | |
 | |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what
 | |podcast,
 | etc
 | |
 | |I was not talking about the smart phone market
 | |
 | |Sent from my Windows Phone
 | |
 | |
 | |
 | |From: mike smith
 | |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00
 | |To: ozDotNet
 | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 | |
 | |
 | |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com
 | |wrote:
 | |
 | |
 | |       Well, this is not a compitition
 | |
 | |
 | |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-26 Thread Ian Thomas

Personally, I think the cross-platform (phone/tablet/PC) compatibility and
core code in the Win8 -generation OS is a marketing advantage (and probably
a convenience / usability advantage, and a technical advantage), too.

In building corporate acceptance, the possible demise of Blackberry will
help, and Microsoft's ($US1.2bn) purchase of Yamma with a reported
re-purposing as a private social network for corporates is also a wise move
 imho (but I'm not an IT tycoon or a clairvoyant). 

Regarding the dumping of the Kin device they bought, probably a good move. 

Ian Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of .net noobie
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 3:58 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but
rumours/speculation

I then said the  rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet

I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them,

I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself

feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I
read/saw/listened to a year+ ago

I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they
are going to have the advantage in respect to
having PC's, Tablets and Phones all running the same basically OS
potentially giving the tablet and phone all the abilities/features of a PC
run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff etc
etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices
so maybe this will be somthing companies like, that is the what i have
gathered anyway, if it is correct i don't know

I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box

As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice
cover and claim it is some new wiz bang device
then get it made by kids in a factory in china with, then charge 3
times it's value to suckers





On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
wrote:
 Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and one
of
 the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia would be upgradable
to
 win8

 Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing. Let's
jump
 forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there was a lot of
 speculation over the same thing:

http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-apollo

 Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it
would
 upgrade.

 And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running on
a
 currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it can't be
 done is clearly wrong.

 But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim people
 knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false. Clearly a lot
 of people thought it would. And for the average consumer, I think they'd
 expect the same. If I went and bought a Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what
it's
 getting updated to ICS tomorrow. If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you
 can update it to iOS 5 (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in
 beta.

 The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft has
 begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices. Win
mobile
 just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX.  Just how high do
 they rate consumer confidence ?  Really, it's no wonder that although WP
is
 really nice it remains such a small market share (and most likely to
plummet
 even further over the coming months).

 It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;)



 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
 |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |nov 2011
 |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7-
 |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b-
 |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a
 |
 |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before
 |
 |talking to people on twitter
 |
 |etc,
 |
 |the net is a big place
 |
 |I said rumors on blogs...  not major review sites
 |
 |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a
 year ago
 |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was thinking
 the
 |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 wrote:
 | That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some
 | references as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top
 | listed sites at best could say there were big changes coming but none
 | that suggested the latest phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall
 | seeing any phone reviews that in their review

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-26 Thread Bill McCarthy

I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like dead
donkey), 

|Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but
|rumours/speculation

Yes this is what you said:

So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem
to so upset,
 everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be 
 totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to
wp8

To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns about
the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't be a shock
to them.  Clearly when you look at the facts there was speculation both
ways.

I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP between
now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them probably don't
know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps until they try to load
the latest games/apps and can't.



|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
|Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but
|rumours/speculation
|
|I then said the  rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet
|
|I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them,
|
|I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself
|
|feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I
read/saw/listened
|to a year+ ago
|
|I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they are
going to
|have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all
running the
|same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the
abilities/features
|of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff
etc
|etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe this
will be
|somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if it is
correct i
|don't know
|
|I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box
|
|As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice cover
and claim
|it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory in
china with,
|then charge 3 times it's value to suckers
|
|
|
|
|
|On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
wrote:
| Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and
| one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia would be
| upgradable to win8
|
| Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing.
| Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there
| was a lot of speculation over the same thing:
| http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-a
| pollo
|
| Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it
| would upgrade.
|
| And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running
| on a currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it
| can't be done is clearly wrong.
|
| But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim
| people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false.
| Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average
| consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a
| Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow.
| If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5
| (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta.
|
| The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft
| has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices.
| Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX.
| Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ?  Really, it's no
| wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small market
| share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming months).
|
| It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;)
|
|
|
| |-Original Message-
| |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
| |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
| |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM
| |To: ozDotNet
| |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
| |
| |nov 2011
| |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7-
| |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b-
| |d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a
| |
| |windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before
| |
| |talking to people on twitter
| |
| |etc,
| |
| |the net is a big place
| |
| |I said rumors on blogs...  not major review sites
| |
| |but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond
| |a
| year ago
| |but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was
| |thinking
| the
| |arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it
| |
| |
| |
| |
| |On 26

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-26 Thread .net noobie

yeah, so i said what i said... rumours

but i was a bit shocked becuase I assumed people on this list would
have been more informed than me
and i had made the assumption that upgrades would not be happening

if you took the comments the wrong way, then you took them the wrong way
but it was not ment to upset you or anyone else



On 27 June 2012 09:06, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 I think this is pretty much said already (i.e starting to feel like dead
 donkey),

 |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but
 |rumours/speculation

 Yes this is what you said:

So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem
 to so upset,
 everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be
 totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to
 wp8

 To me that read dismissive of the many people who have raised concerns about
 the lack of upgrade based on the fact you feel/felt it shouldn't be a shock
 to them.  Clearly when you look at the facts there was speculation both
 ways.

 I'd even hazard a guess that if there are any current sales of WP between
 now and when WP8 devices launch, those people who buy them probably don't
 know there won't be an incompatibility with WP8 apps until they try to load
 the latest games/apps and can't.



 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
 |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 5:58 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |Well if you read my original comments I never claimed anything but
 |rumours/speculation
 |
 |I then said the  rumours/speculation were for both sides of the argumet
 |
 |I then said I made my Asumptions/Guess from them,
 |
 |I never claimed anyone knew ahead of time, including myself
 |
 |feels a bit like I am in a court case becuase I remember crap I
 read/saw/listened
 |to a year+ ago
 |
 |I not sure if WP8 will be a success or not, but seems to me like they are
 going to
 |have the advantage in respect to having PC's, Tablets and Phones all
 running the
 |same basically OS potentially giving the tablet and phone all the
 abilities/features
 |of a PC run the same programs, open the same documents, same scurity stuff
 etc
 |etc accross the board, same ability to manage the devices so maybe this
 will be
 |somthing companies like, that is the what i have gathered anyway, if it is
 correct i
 |don't know
 |
 |I am not MS, but i would like to see them put apple in back in their box
 |
 |As far as I am concerned all apple do is package old tech in a nice cover
 and claim
 |it is some new wiz bang device then get it made by kids in a factory in
 china with,
 |then charge 3 times it's value to suckers
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |On 26 June 2012 13:26, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 wrote:
 | Okay so I read the post on Microsoft forums you kindly linked to, and
 | one of the responses marked as an answer said yes the lumia would be
 | upgradable to win8
 |
 | Really, all that was there was some speculation//wild-a-guessing.
 | Let's jump forward a couple of month to Feb/March this year when there
 | was a lot of speculation over the same thing:
 | http://www.neowin.net/news/some-current-windows-phone-devices-to-get-a
 | pollo
 |
 | Again neither confirm or deny from Microsoft, but some rumours that it
 | would upgrade.
 |
 | And when I see the Windows Team blog posting showing Windows 8 running
 | on a currently available Windows Phone, then any speculation that it
 | can't be done is clearly wrong.
 |
 | But I think the key point I'm trying to make here is that the claim
 | people knew ahead of time it wouldn't be upgraded is clearly false.
 | Clearly a lot of people thought it would. And for the average
 | consumer, I think they'd expect the same. If I went and bought a
 | Samsung Galaxy SII, guess what it's getting updated to ICS tomorrow.
 | If I bought an iphone 4, guess what, you can update it to iOS 5
 | (iPhone 4s), and even the latest iOS 6 which is in beta.
 |
 | The only reason people might expect WP nto to update because Microsoft
 | has begun to build a history of dumping support for existing devices.
 | Win mobile just three years ago, Zune, Microsoft Kin, now WP7.XX.
 | Just how high do they rate consumer confidence ?  Really, it's no
 | wonder that although WP is really nice it remains such a small market
 | share (and most likely to plummet even further over the coming months).
 |
 | It's no wonder Apple and Samsung are doing so well ;)
 |
 |
 |
 | |-Original Message-
 | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
 | |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 3:59 PM
 | |To: ozDotNet
 | |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 | |
 | |nov 2011
 | |http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7-
 | |wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-25 Thread mike smith

A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those that
bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months.  It might take the bitter taste away
for them, somewhat.

Mike

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for
 months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would
 be upgradable

 but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase
 I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same
 core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most
 likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if
 the phone was more like windows that they would be able to still run
 the old apps

 but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable
 from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not
 cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off




-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-25 Thread .net noobie

Well, this is not a compitition and I not claming to be an expert on it,
but I was under the impression quite a while ago that people would not be
able to upgrade the wp7 devices to wp8,
I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one podcast
i mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people debating
it as far back as mid to end of 2011

I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would be able
to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either?

If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I have no
idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted to
basically run win8 on a phone...
I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess

but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i maybe wrong
here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5?

Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you just got
a new phone,
I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, but I
guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already



On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

 A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those that
 bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months.  It might take the bitter taste away
 for them, somewhat.

 Mike


 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.comwrote:

 I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for
 months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would
 be upgradable

 but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase
 I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same
 core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most
 likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if
 the phone was more like windows that they would be able to still run
 the old apps

 but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable
 from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not
 cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off




 --
 Meski

http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

 Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
 you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-25 Thread mike smith

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, this is not a compitition


Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :)



 and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the impression
 quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices
 to wp8,
 I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one
 podcast i mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people
 debating it as far back as mid to end of 2011

 I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would be
 able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either?


I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some
form of recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of
a new release.



 If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I have no
 idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted to
 basically run win8 on a phone...
 I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess


Or were they pressured by carriers?   They more often support handset churn
than the SW manufacturers.  From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing
to gain and everything to lose by doing this.  (I exaggerate a bit)


 but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i maybe
 wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5?

 Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you just got
 a new phone,
 I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, but I
 guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already



I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8,
and that they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way
Apple do, and Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line)  Got
an answer for that, Microsoft dudes?



 On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

 A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those that
 bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months.  It might take the bitter taste away
 for them, somewhat.

 Mike


 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.comwrote:

 I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for
 months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would
 be upgradable

 but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase
 I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same
 core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most
 likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if
 the phone was more like windows that they would be able to still run
 the old apps

 but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable
 from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not
 cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off




 --
 Meski

http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

 Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
 you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills





-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-25 Thread dotnet noobie

I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what podcast, etc

I was not talking about the smart phone market

Sent from my Windows Phone
--
From: mike smith
Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, this is not a compitition

Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :)

 and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the impression
 quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices
 to wp8,
 I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one
 podcast i mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people
 debating it as far back as mid to end of 2011

 I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would be
 able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either?

I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some
form of recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of
a new release.

 If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I have no
 idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted to
 basically run win8 on a phone...
 I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess

Or were they pressured by carriers?   They more often support handset churn
than the SW manufacturers.  From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing
to gain and everything to lose by doing this.  (I exaggerate a bit)

 but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i maybe
 wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5?

 Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you just got
 a new phone,
 I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either, but I
 guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already

I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8,
and that they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way
Apple do, and Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line)  Got
an answer for that, Microsoft dudes?

 On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

 A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for those that
 bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months.  It might take the bitter taste away
 for them, somewhat.

 Mike

 On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.comwrote:

 I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for
 months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would
 be upgradable

 but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase
 I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same
 core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most
 likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if
 the phone was more like windows that they would be able to still run
 the old apps

 but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable
 from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not
 cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off

 --
 Meski

http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

 Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
 you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

-- 
Meski

   http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-25 Thread Bill McCarthy

That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some references
as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top listed sites at best
could say there were big changes coming but none that suggested the latest
phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall seeing any phone reviews that in
their review of the latest WP said there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be
upgradable.

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie
|Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what podcast,
etc
|
|I was not talking about the smart phone market
|
|Sent from my Windows Phone
|
|
|
|From: mike smith
|Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com
|wrote:
|
|
|   Well, this is not a compitition
|
|
|Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :)
|
|
|
|   and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the
impression
|quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices
to
|wp8,
|   I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one
podcast i
|mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people debating
it as far
|back as mid to end of 2011
|
|   I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would
be
|able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either?
|
|
|I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some
form of
|recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a new
|release.
|
|
|
|   If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I
have
|no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted
to
|basically run win8 on a phone...
|   I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess
|
|
|
|
|Or were they pressured by carriers?   They more often support handset churn
than
|the SW manufacturers.  From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing to
gain and
|everything to lose by doing this.  (I exaggerate a bit)
|
|   but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i
maybe
|wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5?
|
|   Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you
just
|got a new phone,
|   I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either,
but I
|guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already
|
|
|
|
|I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8,
and that
|they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way Apple do,
and
|Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line)  Got an answer for
that,
|Microsoft dudes?
|
|
|
|   On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:
|
|
|   A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for
those
|that bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months.  It might take the bitter taste
away for
|them, somewhat.
|
|   Mike
|
|
|   On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie
|dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote:
|
|
|   I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they
been
|saying it for
|   months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people
claimig
|that it would
|   be upgradable
|
|   but I personally did not expect you would be able to
|upgrade, becuase
|   I was thinking the the phone was also going to try
and
|use the same
|   core as win8, so the phone would be different and
|current phones most
|   likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but
i did
|expect if
|   the phone was more like windows that they would be
|able to still run
|   the old apps
|
|   but if you google you will see people saying will
not be
|upgradable
|   from mid to end of last year, while others saying
that MS
|could not
|   cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off
|
|
|
|
|
|   --
|   Meski
|
|
|
| http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
|
|   Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for
sex.
|Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
|
|
|
|
|
|
|--
|Meski
|
|
| http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv
|
|Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it,
|but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-25 Thread .net noobie

nov 2011
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/winphone/forum/wp7-wpdevices/windows-phone-7-or-wait-for-wp8/9abda28c-5181-4b7f-8f5b-d4a46a3408e1?msgId=1cb925ea-4347-4482-add2-1a2f7ef4939a

windows weekly podcast / winsupersite, as i said before

talking to people on twitter

etc,

the net is a big place

I said rumors on blogs...  not major review sites

but i don't recall exact sites/pages i was looking at upto and beyond a year ago
but this debate has been happing for quite a while online, I was
thinking the arguments for not being upgradable sounded more like it




On 26 June 2012 11:38, Bill McCarthy bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 That wasn't a contest either. I seriously asked you to cite some references
 as I aren't seeing any. When I google searched the top listed sites at best
 could say there were big changes coming but none that suggested the latest
 phones wouldn't upgrade. I don't recall seeing any phone reviews that in
 their review of the latest WP said there was a concern/rumour it wouldn't be
 upgradable.

 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of dotnet noobie
 |Sent: Tuesday, 26 June 2012 2:14 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |I mean not a contest about who reads what blog, listens to what podcast,
 etc
 |
 |I was not talking about the smart phone market
 |
 |Sent from my Windows Phone
 |
 |
 |
 |From: mike smith
 |Sent: 26-Jun-12 10:00
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |
 |On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:33 PM, .net noobie dotnetnoo...@gmail.com
 |wrote:
 |
 |
 |       Well, this is not a compitition
 |
 |
 |Oh, but the marketplace *is* a competition :)
 |
 |
 |
 |       and I not claming to be an expert on it, but I was under the
 impression
 |quite a while ago that people would not be able to upgrade the wp7 devices
 to
 |wp8,
 |       I don't even follow it very closely, I really just lisen to the one
 podcast i
 |mentioned before, thats it, but I also googled it and saw people debating
 it as far
 |back as mid to end of 2011
 |
 |       I also bet you did not see anywhere from Nokia or MS that you would
 be
 |able to upgrade a wp7 device to wp8 either?
 |
 |
 |I wasn't looking, but Apple, for instance, offer a deal where you get some
 form of
 |recompense when buying an obsoleted ! item within a certain time of a new
 |release.
 |
 |
 |
 |       If the current devices have enough grunt or not to run a wp8 OS, I
 have
 |no idea, i just said is something I assumed would be the case if MS wanted
 to
 |basically run win8 on a phone...
 |       I not saying they can or cannot, I am saying this was my guess
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |Or were they pressured by carriers?   They more often support handset churn
 than
 |the SW manufacturers.  From Microsoft's perspective, there's nothing to
 gain and
 |everything to lose by doing this.  (I exaggerate a bit)
 |
 |       but i think the min spec for wp7 was a 1ghz cpu? correct? and i
 maybe
 |wrong here but did they even lower the spec a little after/for mango 7.5?
 |
 |       Anyway I can understand why people are annoyed, especially if you
 just
 |got a new phone,
 |       I got mine the week they came out and I am not really happy either,
 but I
 |guess I got used to the idea I could not upgrade it already
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |I still want to know if Microsoft are releasing a phone that will run 8,
 and that
 |they will undertake to do online upgrades for, in the same way Apple do,
 and
 |Android do (for their 'concept' phones, aka Nexus line)  Got an answer for
 that,
 |Microsoft dudes?
 |
 |
 |
 |       On 25 June 2012 13:17, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:
 |
 |
 |               A reasonable position would be if they issued a rebate for
 those
 |that bought WP7 in the last, say 6 months.  It might take the bitter taste
 away for
 |them, somewhat.
 |
 |               Mike
 |
 |
 |               On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, .net noobie
 |dotnetnoo...@gmail.com wrote:
 |
 |
 |                       I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they
 been
 |saying it for
 |                       months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people
 claimig
 |that it would
 |                       be upgradable
 |
 |                       but I personally did not expect you would be able to
 |upgrade, becuase
 |                       I was thinking the the phone was also going to try
 and
 |use the same
 |                       core as win8, so the phone would be different and
 |current phones most
 |                       likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but
 i did
 |expect if
 |                       the phone was more like windows that they would be
 |able to still run
 |                       the old apps
 |
 |                       but if you google you will see people saying will
 not be
 |upgradable
 |                       from mid to end of last year, while others

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-24 Thread David Thiessen

I have whatsapp on WP7, works well

Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct?

Sent from my Windows Phone
--
From: Ken Schaefer
Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing.

All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each
other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with
Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now)

Cheers
Ken

*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
*On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk
*Sent:* Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy 
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that
have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three
years ?

I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local
shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising.
You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop
I typically see on the racks

2 x iPhone (black  white)

10 x Android

1 (maybe 2) x WP7

Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves.
iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now.

Craig.

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-24 Thread David Thiessen

Also I am in Jakarta, WP is the most promoted phone here I would say... It
is huge promotion, in every mall, huge banners everywhere

Mostly lumia Nokia simply everywhere

Sent from my Windows Phone
--
From: Ken Schaefer
Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing.

All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each
other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with
Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now)

Cheers
Ken

*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
*On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk
*Sent:* Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy 
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that
have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three
years ?

I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local
shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising.
You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop
I typically see on the racks

2 x iPhone (black  white)

10 x Android

1 (maybe 2) x WP7

Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves.
iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now.

Craig.

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-24 Thread Nick Randolph

Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will continue 
to work on wp8.

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the 
intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email 
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and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Thiessen
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

I have whatsapp on WP7, works well

Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct?

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Ken Schaefer
Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing.

All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, 
have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, 
Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now)

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced


On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy 
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.aumailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have 
led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ?


I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local 
shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You 
can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I 
typically see on the racks

2 x iPhone (black  white)
10 x Android
1 (maybe 2) x WP7

Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone 
can get away with it because they are so well known now.

Craig.

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-24 Thread David Thiessen

So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to
so upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while
would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7
device to wp8

if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device...

It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4

Sent from my Windows Phone
--
From: Nick Randolph
Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will
continue to work on wp8.



*Nick Randolph** *| *Built to Roam Pty Ltd* | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the
intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this
email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of
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author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty
Ltd.



*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
*On Behalf Of *David Thiessen
*Sent:* Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* RE: Windows Phone 8 announced



I have whatsapp on WP7, works well

Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct?

Sent from my Windows Phone
--

*From: *Ken Schaefer
*Sent: *22-Jun-12 9:43
*To: *ozDotNet
*Subject: *RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing.



All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each
other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with
Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now)



Cheers
Ken



*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
*On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk
*Sent:* Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced





On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy 
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that
have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three
years ?





I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local
shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising.
You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop
I typically see on the racks



2 x iPhone (black  white)

10 x Android

1 (maybe 2) x WP7



Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves.
iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now.



Craig.

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-24 Thread Nick Randolph

Actually what people are complaining about is the fact that if you buy a wp7 
device today you won't be able to run wp8 apps tomorrow.

Apple have a general rule of supporting at least vN-1, if you have a current 
gen device and they upgrade the OS, you'll get the update. There are certain 
exclusions to this but they are mainly around consumer features.

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the 
intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email 
in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any 
emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own 
and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Thiessen
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to so 
upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be 
totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8

if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device...

It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Nick Randolph
Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will continue 
to work on wp8.

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the 
intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email 
in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any 
emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own 
and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Thiessen
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

I have whatsapp on WP7, works well

Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct?

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Ken Schaefer
Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing.

All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, 
have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, 
Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now)

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced


On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy 
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.aumailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have 
led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ?


I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local 
shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You 
can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I 
typically see on the racks

2 x iPhone (black  white)
10 x Android
1 (maybe 2) x WP7

Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone 
can get away with it because they are so well known now.

Craig.

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-24 Thread mike smith

It's going to be difficult for retailers to move wp7 phones, then.

Just to show that I don't *just* criticise Microsoft, I'm unimpressed with
Apple's latest laptop.  (specifically it's inability to be upgraded for
anything)

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.comwrote:

 Actually what people are complaining about is the fact that if you buy a
 wp7 device today you won’t be able to run wp8 apps tomorrow. 

 ** **

 Apple have a general rule of supporting at least vN-1, if you have a
 current gen device and they upgrade the OS, you’ll get the update. There
 are certain exclusions to this but they are mainly around consumer features.
 

 ** **

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 Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Thiessen
 *Sent:* Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM

 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

 ** **

 So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem
 to so upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a
 while would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update
 wp7 device to wp8

 if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device...

 It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4

 Sent from my Windows Phone
 --

 *From: *Nick Randolph
 *Sent: *24-Jun-12 18:54
 *To: *ozDotNet
 *Subject: *RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

 Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will
 continue to work on wp8.

  

 *Nick Randolph** *| *Built to Roam Pty Ltd* | Microsoft MVP – Windows
 Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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 Ltd.

  

 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Thiessen
 *Sent:* Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

  

 I have whatsapp on WP7, works well

 Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct?

 Sent from my Windows Phone
 --

 *From: *Ken Schaefer
 *Sent: *22-Jun-12 9:43
 *To: *ozDotNet
 *Subject: *RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

 Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing.

  

 All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each
 other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with
 Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now)
 

  

 Cheers
 Ken

  

 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk
 *Sent:* Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

  

  

 On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy 
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

 To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that
 have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three
 years ?

  

  

 I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local
 shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising.
 You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop
 I typically see on the racks

  

 2 x iPhone (black  white)

 10 x Android

 1 (maybe 2) x WP7

  

 Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves.
 iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now.

  

 Craig.




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RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-24 Thread Ken Schaefer

People are upset because they bought an expensive WP7 handset two weeks ago,
and then last week Microsoft says that they'll be obsolete in 3 months'
time.

 

As for iPhones, at least Apple has some support for older devices. The
original iPad is upgradeable to iOS5. The iPhone 4 is still upgradeable to
whatever the iPhone 4S is running.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Thiessen
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

 

So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to
so upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while
would be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7
device to wp8

if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device...

It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4

Sent from my Windows Phone

  _  

From: Nick Randolph
Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will
continue to work on wp8.

 

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this
email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of
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author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty
Ltd.

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Thiessen
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

 

I have whatsapp on WP7, works well

Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct?

Sent from my Windows Phone

  _  

From: Ken Schaefer
Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing.

 

All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each
other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with
Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now)

 

Cheers
Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 

 

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that
have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three
years ?

 

 

I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local
shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You
can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I
typically see on the racks

 

2 x iPhone (black  white)

10 x Android

1 (maybe 2) x WP7

 

Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone
can get away with it because they are so well known now.

 

Craig.

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-24 Thread Nick Randolph

Ken

Just be happy you're getting new start screen tiles - sorry but wtf, who cares.

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:42 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

People are upset because they bought an expensive WP7 handset two weeks ago, 
and then last week Microsoft says that they'll be obsolete in 3 months' time.

As for iPhones, at least Apple has some support for older devices. The original 
iPad is upgradeable to iOS5. The iPhone 4 is still upgradeable to whatever the 
iPhone 4S is running.

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]mailto:[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of David Thiessen
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to so 
upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while would be 
totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device to wp8

if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device...

It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Nick Randolph
Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will continue 
to work on wp8.

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the 
intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email 
in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any 
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and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Thiessen
Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

I have whatsapp on WP7, works well

Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct?

Sent from my Windows Phone

From: Ken Schaefer
Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing.

All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each other, 
have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends, 
Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now)

Cheers
Ken

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced


On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy 
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.aumailto:bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have 
led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ?


I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local 
shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You 
can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I 
typically see on the racks

2 x iPhone (black  white)
10 x Android
1 (maybe 2) x WP7

Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone 
can get away with it because they are so well known now.

Craig.

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Hey Nick,

I guess this must be a bit like first timers compared to old timers. For the
new inmates the shower experience is going to leave them screaming for a
while but for the inmates who've been in for a while it's just another mild
pain in the a***  ;)


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:48 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Ken
|
|
|
|Just be happy you're getting new start screen tiles - sorry but wtf, who
cares.
|
|
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone
|Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this
|email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not
disclose
|or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does
not
|guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or
opinions
|expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of
Built
|to Roam Pty Ltd.
|
|
|
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
|Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:42 AM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|
|People are upset because they bought an expensive WP7 handset two weeks
ago,
|and then last week Microsoft says that they'll be obsolete in 3 months'
time.
|
|
|
|As for iPhones, at least Apple has some support for older devices. The
original
|iPad is upgradeable to iOS5. The iPhone 4 is still upgradeable to whatever
the
|iPhone 4S is running.
|
|
|
|Cheers
|
|Ken
|
|
|
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen
|Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|
|So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to
so
|upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while
would
|be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device
to wp8
|
|if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device...
|
|It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4
|
|Sent from my Windows Phone
|
|
|
|From: Nick Randolph
|Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will
continue
|to work on wp8.
|
|
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone
|Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this
|email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not
disclose
|or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does
not
|guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or
opinions
|expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of
Built
|to Roam Pty Ltd.
|
|
|
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen
|Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|
|I have whatsapp on WP7, works well
|
|Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct?
|
|Sent from my Windows Phone
|
|
|
|From: Ken Schaefer
|Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing.
|
|
|
|All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each
other,
|have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends,
|Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now)
|
|
|
|Cheers
|Ken
|
|
|
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|
|
|
|On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
|wrote:
|
|To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that
have led
|to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ?
|
|
|
|
|
|I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local
shopping
|centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't
miss it.
|But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on
the racks
|
|
|
|2 x iPhone (black  white)
|
|10 x Android
|
|1 (maybe 2) x WP7
|
|
|
|Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves.
iPhone can
|get away with it because they are so well known now.
|
|
|
|Craig.

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-24 Thread mike smith

In my days PDA's didn't have phones in them.

PS:  get off of my lawn! :)

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Bill McCarthy 
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

 Hey Nick,

 I guess this must be a bit like first timers compared to old timers. For
 the
 new inmates the shower experience is going to leave them screaming for a
 while but for the inmates who've been in for a while it's just another mild
 pain in the a***  ;)


 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
 |Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:48 AM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |Ken
 |
 |
 |
 |Just be happy you're getting new start screen tiles - sorry but wtf, who
 cares.
 |
 |
 |
 |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone
 |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this
 |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not
 disclose
 |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd
 does
 not
 |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or
 opinions
 |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions
 of
 Built
 |to Roam Pty Ltd.
 |
 |
 |
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
 |Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:42 AM
 |To: 'ozDotNet'
 |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |
 |
 |People are upset because they bought an expensive WP7 handset two weeks
 ago,
 |and then last week Microsoft says that they'll be obsolete in 3 months'
 time.
 |
 |
 |
 |As for iPhones, at least Apple has some support for older devices. The
 original
 |iPad is upgradeable to iOS5. The iPhone 4 is still upgradeable to whatever
 the
 |iPhone 4S is running.
 |
 |
 |
 |Cheers
 |
 |Ken
 |
 |
 |
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen
 |Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |
 |
 |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem
 to
 so
 |upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while
 would
 |be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device
 to wp8
 |
 |if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device...
 |
 |It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4
 |
 |Sent from my Windows Phone
 |
 |
 |
 |From: Nick Randolph
 |Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will
 continue
 |to work on wp8.
 |
 |
 |
 |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone
 |Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this
 |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not
 disclose
 |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd
 does
 not
 |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or
 opinions
 |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions
 of
 Built
 |to Roam Pty Ltd.
 |
 |
 |
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen
 |Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |
 |
 |I have whatsapp on WP7, works well
 |
 |Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct?
 |
 |Sent from my Windows Phone
 |
 |
 |
 |From: Ken Schaefer
 |Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing.
 |
 |
 |
 |All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each
 other,
 |have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends,
 |Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now)
 |
 |
 |
 |Cheers
 |Ken
 |
 |
 |
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
 |Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 |wrote:
 |
 |To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that
 have led
 |to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ?
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local
 shopping
 |centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't
 miss it.
 |But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on
 the racks
 |
 |
 |
 |2 x iPhone (black  white)
 |
 |10 x Android
 |
 |1 (maybe 2) x WP7
 |
 |
 |
 |Doesn't matter how much you advertise

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Hi David,

| was rumours for quite a while would
|be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device
to wp8

Really ?  I can't say I saw any such rumours and I read a reasonable amount
of tech news every day.  In fact as I posted in my blog, I read the Windows
8 team blog where they showed they used existing phones to do their initial
Windows RT testing on.  Where were these early rumours ?

And what of customers today? Shouldn't they be warned: I bet you they aren't
except for the people who are complaining. Sad that the customer awareness
has to come from rumours of rumours and those that are complainers.


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen
|Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people seem to
so
|upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a while
would
|be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 device
to wp8
|
|if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device...
|
|It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4
|
|Sent from my Windows Phone
|
|
|
|From: Nick Randolph
|Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|
|Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will
continue
|to work on wp8.
|
|
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP   Windows Phone
|Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this
|email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not
disclose
|or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does
not
|guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or
opinions
|expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of
Built
|to Roam Pty Ltd.
|
|
|
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen
|Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|
|I have whatsapp on WP7, works well
|
|Apps that run on wp7 will also run on wp8.. Correct?
|
|Sent from my Windows Phone
|
|
|
|From: Ken Schaefer
|Sent: 22-Jun-12 9:43
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing.
|
|
|
|All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each
other,
|have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with Friends,
|Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now)
|
|
|
|Cheers
|Ken
|
|
|
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|
|
|
|On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
|wrote:
|
|To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that
have led
|to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ?
|
|
|
|
|
|I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local
shopping
|centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't
miss it.
|But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on
the racks
|
|
|
|2 x iPhone (black  white)
|
|10 x Android
|
|1 (maybe 2) x WP7
|
|
|
|Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves.
iPhone can
|get away with it because they are so well known now.
|
|
|
|Craig.

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Ha... in my days we have multi functional devices called pencils that allowed 
you to take notes, write mail, and dial on the latest rotary dial phones !

These days the lawns aren't safe to sit on due to sneaky silent robot mowers 
and popup sprinklers ;)


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
|Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 12:09 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|In my days PDA's didn't have phones in them.
|
|PS:  get off of my lawn! :)
|
|
|On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Bill McCarthy
|bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
|
|
|   Hey Nick,
|
|   I guess this must be a bit like first timers compared to old timers. 
For the
|   new inmates the shower experience is going to leave them screaming for
|a
|   while but for the inmates who've been in for a while it's just another 
mild
|   pain in the a***  ;)
|
|
|
|   |-Original Message-
|   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|   |Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:48 AM
|   |To: ozDotNet
|   |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|
|   |Ken
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |Just be happy you're getting new start screen tiles - sorry but wtf, 
who
|
|   cares.
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows
|Phone
|   |Development | +61 412 413 425 tel:%2B61%20412%20413%20425  |
|@btroam The information contained in this
|   |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may 
not
|   disclose
|   |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd
|does
|   not
|   |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or
|   opinions
|   |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or
|opinions of
|   Built
|   |to Roam Pty Ltd.
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
|   |Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 11:42 AM
|   |To: 'ozDotNet'
|   |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |People are upset because they bought an expensive WP7 handset two
|weeks
|   ago,
|   |and then last week Microsoft says that they'll be obsolete in 3 months'
|   time.
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |As for iPhones, at least Apple has some support for older devices. The
|   original
|   |iPad is upgradeable to iOS5. The iPhone 4 is still upgradeable to
|whatever
|   the
|   |iPhone 4S is running.
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |Cheers
|   |
|   |Ken
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen
|   |Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 10:31 PM
|   |To: ozDotNet
|   |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |So, if wp7 apps run on wp8, I personally not really sure why people 
seem
|to
|   so
|   |upset, everyone know wp8 would come out, was rumours for quite a
|while
|   would
|   |be totally different, so not really a shock you can not update wp7 
device
|   to wp8
|   |
|   |if you made wp7 apps, you can still sell them on wp8 device...
|   |
|   |It is not like you have a iPhone 3 you can upgrade it to iPhone 4
|   |
|   |Sent from my Windows Phone
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |From: Nick Randolph
|   |Sent: 24-Jun-12 18:54
|   |To: ozDotNet
|   |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|   |Yes, one of the few things that was announced was that wp7 apps will
|   continue
|   |to work on wp8.
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows
|Phone
|   |Development | +61 412 413 425 tel:%2B61%20412%20413%20425  |
|@btroam The information contained in this
|   |email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may 
not
|   disclose
|   |or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd
|does
|   not
|   |guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or
|   opinions
|   |expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or
|opinions of
|   Built
|   |to Roam Pty Ltd.
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Thiessen
|   |Sent: Sunday, 24 June 2012 8:25 PM
|   |To: ozDotNet
|   |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |I have whatsapp on WP7, works well
|   |
|   |Apps that run on wp7

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-24 Thread .net noobie

I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for
months, blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would
be upgradable

but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase
I was thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same
core as win8, so the phone would be different and current phones most
likely would not have the grunt to really do it, but i did expect if
the phone was more like windows that they would be able to still run
the old apps

but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable
from mid to end of last year, while others saying that MS could not
cut off wp7 people becuase would kill the phone off

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Like I said, I do read technology news/blogs/ mags a bit and never saw any
mention of it not being upgradable. I did also google and set the time frame
back to pre April and also didn't see any major trend or sites saying it
wouldn't be upgradable.  Take your time and pick your best top 5 sources
from pre April that stated that.

The notion of not enough grunt I heard in a podcast yesterday and is utter
bullsh*t as far as I am concerned. The current 1.4 Ghz single core
processors aren't significantly behind the dual cores at 1.5 (1.7 I think is
the fastest snapdragon in production).
 If a 1.4 **can't** run it then a 1.5 dual core ain't going to be much of a
user experience.

But again, that argument of it not having enough grunt is one of the
rumours and not something I've heard from any Microsoft or Nokia source. In
fact, I'd say the entire discussions over the reasons why have been devoid
of technical merit. If there was a decent technical reason I doubt you'd see
as many people upset. 


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie
|Sent: Monday, 25 June 2012 2:46 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I just listen to podcasts like windows weekly, they been saying it for
months,
|blogs etc, but, also were a lot people claimig that it would be upgradable
|
|but I personally did not expect you would be able to upgrade, becuase I was
|thinking the the phone was also going to try and use the same core as win8,
so
|the phone would be different and current phones most likely would not have
the
|grunt to really do it, but i did expect if the phone was more like
windows that
|they would be able to still run the old apps
|
|but if you google you will see people saying will not be upgradable from
mid to
|end of last year, while others saying that MS could not cut off wp7 people
|becuase would kill the phone off

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-21 Thread Stephen Price

Reminds me of my kids. They constantly turn off powerpoints to save
power (even ones you were using!!) and then they sit there with the
airconditioner running full. :)

Your right tho. I'm not going to not get my new phone just because
people are starving. I donate money to people who are doing something
about the starving people, so I can feel ok about buying the new
phones.

Oh, I also forgot to mention that the starving people all have shiny
new phones too. LOL
Ironic eh?

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 Yep I was referring to the Redmond syndrome, re  Is that the new Microsoft 
 policy, just dump old customers. Actually the .NET team hasn't been so bad 
 on this (there was that recent back step over the express editions of VS 12 
 ;) ).

 Microsoft Kin anyone ??

 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
 |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 3:02 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |Always consider me as “not speaking for Microsoft”.  Feel free to tell me 
 that I
 |might have been over here too long and suffer from the Redmond syndrome[1]
 |and don’t know how real customers use our product, but don’t make me use a
 |personal account. I’d never read this alias. :)
 |
 |
 |
 |Over here the phones are practically free[2] – I picked up HTC HD7 from 
 Amazon
 |(with contract) for $50.
 |
 |
 |
 |[1] We have a name for this internally, which has skipped my mind.
 |
 |[2] Un a manner of speaking of course, I clearly pay via my contract, but 
 even if I
 |bring my own phone, I save very little.
 |
 |
 |
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
 |Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:41 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |
 |
 |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com
 |wrote:
 |
 |(This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with Microsoft's, or as
 |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't work 
 on the
 |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering decisions)
 |
 |
 |
 |:)
 |
 |
 |
 |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you...  If I was commenting officially 
 on
 |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email.
 |
 |
 |
 |       Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will actually 
 take
 |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many
 |of you will have already replaced your phone by then?
 |
 |       It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't 
 know
 |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24
 |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time 
 Phone 8
 |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the 
 start of
 |a new upgrade cycle.
 |
 |
 |
 |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones.  Now we can
 |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone
 |separate from carrier.
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |       -Original Message-
 |       From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
 |       Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM
 |       To: 'ozDotNet'
 |       Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |       Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old 
 customers ?  I
 |       see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.
 |
 |       For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and thought,
 |and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with them, 
 not
 |just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three years
 |       ago)
 |
 |       The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a windows
 |phone today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I 
 said to
 |buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be
 |obsolete come September.
 |
 |
 |       |-Original Message-
 |       |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |       |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
 |       |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM
 |       |To: ozDotNet
 |       |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |       |
 |       |I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device
 |       |when
 |       you
 |       |bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future
 |       |is
 |       coming
 |       |out?
 |       |
 |       |-Original Message-
 |       |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |       |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
 |       |Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
 |       |To: 'ozDotNet'
 |       |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |       |
 |       |Now I'm really grumpy

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-21 Thread Scott Barnes

I never thought I'd be the one to come to MS defence here but...

(day of firsts for me clearly)..

This is the ONLY move they have left to make if they truly want to compete.
I for one have been calling Microsoft a bunch of pu$$**ies for sitting on
the sidelines for far to long. They have been squandering their potential
for way to many years now around this entire discussion but .. and i say
but lightly.. they have however grown a pair and put their entire strategy
on the line (despite its marketing flaws).  In order to unite the
platform(s) to a more UX centric development story they've simply had
to sacrifice the Silverlight UX piece to WP7 and swap it out for the work
they are doing with Windows8.

Silverlight was never meant to be shimmed onto the phone but given teh
amount of resets and poor decision making by executives etc during the
2005-2009 leadership / gfc craziness it's what you have before you today.

Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 still have a ways to go to convince the
market that they can not only live up to the hype but can sustain an
adoption curve long enough to take on trust. Keeping in mind right now
Microsoft's entire product strategies to date have been based around a lot
of failed trust namely around adopt xyz because we will promise to be here
for a long time (insert WPF, Silverlight etc).

As for the blood spill that follows from Wp8 put it this way, I'd hate to
have Nokia stock right now but that being said if you truly want to gamble
away, I'd buy Nokia stock as of now as if they can hold out long enough to
get some Windows Phone 8 traction - and - Windows Phone 8 actually becomes
a consumer hit, then now would be a good price :D ($2.50 a share compared
to it used to being $58.00 share).


---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:58 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy 
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

 |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones.  Now we
 can
 |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone
 |separate from carrier.

 Really ?   What price is the latest smart phone outright, about $600 ?
 Over 24 months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only
 charge about half that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more.

 Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776
 over 24 months MINIMUM


 http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy-note/index.htm


 http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000-I9220-Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone-p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Googleutm_medium=cpcutm_campaign=TBDF-XX86742

 Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs near
 that much.






 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
 |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com
 |wrote:
 |
 |
 |   (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with
 Microsoft's, or as
 |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't
 work on the
 |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering
 decisions)
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |:)
 |
 |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you...  If I was commenting
 officially on
 |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email.
 |
 |
 |   Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will
 actually take
 |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many
 |of you will have already replaced your phone by then?
 |
 |   It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I
 don't know
 |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24
 |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time
 Phone 8
 |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the
 start of
 |a new upgrade cycle.
 |
 |
 |
 |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones.  Now we
 can
 |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone
 |separate from carrier.
 |
 |
 |
 |   -Original Message-
 |   From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
 |   Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM
 |   To: 'ozDotNet'
 |   Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |   Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old
 customers ?  I
 |   see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.
 |
 |   For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and
 thought,
 |and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with
 them, not
 |just abandon them every three years or so (well last time

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced


|   Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776
|over 24 months MINIMUM
|

Sure there's no deal with Telstra at present so the hardware repayments on the 
$49 cap plan are $25 a month, which is $600 all up. Difference there is -$100 
over two years, or $50 a year.  But take the example of the Lumia 800, which is 
still about $500 (although expect that to plummet rapidly after today's 
announcements)  At Telstra, it costs you an extra $10 per month, which is $240 
over the two year contract, so saving of $260 or $130 per year.




|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 3:59 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy 
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
|wrote:
|
|
|   |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones.
|Now we can
|   |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the
|phone
|   |separate from carrier.
|
|
|   Really ?   What price is the latest smart phone outright, about $600 ?
|Over 24 months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only charge
|about half that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more.
|
|
|   Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776
|over 24 months MINIMUM
|
|
|
|http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy-note/index.htm
|
|http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000-I9220-
|Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone-
|p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Googleutm_medium=cpcutm_campaign=
|TBDF-XX86742
|
|Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs near that 
much.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|   |-Original Message-
|   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
|   |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM
|   |To: ozDotNet
|   |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|
|   |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean
|david.k...@microsoft.com
|   |wrote:
|   |
|   |
|   |   (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with 
Microsoft's,
|or as
|   |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't
|work on the
|   |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering
|decisions)
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |:)
|   |
|   |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you...  If I was commenting
|officially on
|   |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email.
|   |
|   |
|   |   Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will 
actually
|take
|   |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps?
|How many
|   |of you will have already replaced your phone by then?
|   |
|   |   It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I 
don't
|know
|   |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 -
|24
|   |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the 
time
|Phone 8
|   |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at 
the
|start of
|   |a new upgrade cycle.
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones.
|Now we can
|   |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the
|phone
|   |separate from carrier.
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |   -Original Message-
|
|   |   From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|   |   Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM
|   |   To: 'ozDotNet'
|   |   Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|   |   Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old
|customers ?  I
|   |   see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.
|   |
|   |   For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and
|thought,
|   |and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with
|them, not
|   |just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three
|years
|   |   ago)
|   |
|   |   The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a
|windows
|   |phone today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when 
I
|said to
|   |buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone
|will be
|   |obsolete come September.
|   |
|   |
|   |   |-Original Message-
|   |   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|   |   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
|   |   |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM
|   |   |To: ozDotNet

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

The synergies Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 are going to bring are fantastic
and should be applauded. But getting the bus to the destination sooner
doesn't justify throwing a lot of the passengers off, especially when those
passengers are the ones that supported the bus whilst no-one else did.

Windows 8 on the tablet will rock. The desktop jarring experience we've seen
discussed here previously won't. There'll be a backlash which they could
have addressed a lot better.
Windows Phone 8 leaves the current Windows Phone story in purgatory yet
again, except this time they've said the current Windows Phones can go to
hell ;)  Loss of momentum in the mobile market is a huge thing. I doubt
Windows Phone will pick up until after tablet sales for Win 8 come in as
solid. I don't think it will be a warm and fuzzy xmas season for windows
phone.

I think the story for the desktop and existing windows phone customers could
be a lot better.  It's sad to see Nokia laying off staff rather than
investing in their people with Microsoft to invest in the people who
originally invested in them: their customers. Brand loyalty is a big thing.
(I'm reminded of the old Aesop fable about the dog with a bone seeing its
own reflection )


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:19 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I never thought I'd be the one to come to MS defence here but...
|
|(day of firsts for me clearly)..
|
|This is the ONLY move they have left to make if they truly want to compete.
I for
|one have been calling Microsoft a bunch of pu$$**ies for sitting on the
sidelines
|for far to long. They have been squandering their potential for way to many
years
|now around this entire discussion but .. and i say but lightly.. they have
however
|grown a pair and put their entire strategy on the line (despite its
marketing flaws).
|In order to unite the platform(s) to a more UX centric development story
they've
|simply had to sacrifice the Silverlight UX piece to WP7 and swap it out for
the
|work they are doing with Windows8.
|
|Silverlight was never meant to be shimmed onto the phone but given teh
amount
|of resets and poor decision making by executives etc during the 2005-2009
|leadership / gfc craziness it's what you have before you today.
|
|Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 still have a ways to go to convince the
market
|that they can not only live up to the hype but can sustain an adoption
curve long
|enough to take on trust. Keeping in mind right now Microsoft's entire
product
|strategies to date have been based around a lot of failed trust namely
around
|adopt xyz because we will promise to be here for a long time (insert WPF,
|Silverlight etc).
|
|As for the blood spill that follows from Wp8 put it this way, I'd hate to
have Nokia
|stock right now but that being said if you truly want to gamble away, I'd
buy
|Nokia stock as of now as if they can hold out long enough to get some
Windows
|Phone 8 traction - and - Windows Phone 8 actually becomes a consumer hit,
then
|now would be a good price :D ($2.50 a share compared to it used to being
$58.00
|share).
|
|
|---
|Regards,
|Scott Barnes
|http://www.riagenic.com
|
|
|
|On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:58 PM, mike smith meski...@gmail.com wrote:
|
|
|   On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy
|bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
|
|
|   |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised
|phones.  Now we can
|   |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better
buying
|the phone
|   |separate from carrier.
|
|
|   Really ?   What price is the latest smart phone outright,
about
|$600 ? Over 24 months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally
only
|charge about half that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more.
|
|
|   Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra
|plan $1776 over 24 months MINIMUM
|
|
|
|   http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy-
|note/index.htm
|
|   http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000-
|I9220-Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone-
|p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Googleutm_medium=cpcutm_campaign=
|TBDF-XX86742
|
|   Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs
near
|that much.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|   |-Original Message-
|   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
|   |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM
|   |To: ozDotNet
|   |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|
|   |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean
|david.k...@microsoft.com
|   |wrote:
|   |
|   |
|   |   (This is my own opinion

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

The killer though is if you want to recontract. 

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:24 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I just had a look, my current bill is around $135 per month for two phones, on
|nearly absolute cheapest minutes + highest data plan. That’s $1620 for two 
years
|per phone. So it’s not that far off Australia. If I brought my own device, I 
would
|not have saved much off that (I know this because I borked at the cost of that
|being that my previous phone [I didn’t use mobiles much] many, many years
|previous was on the $5 Telstra plan).
|
|
|
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
|Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:59 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|
|On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy 
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
|wrote:
|
||America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones.  Now
||we can buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying
||the phone separate from carrier.
|
|Really ?   What price is the latest smart phone outright, about $600 ? Over 24
|months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only charge about half
|that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more.
|
|
|Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776 over 24
|months MINIMUM
|
|
|
|http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy-note/index.htm
|
|
|
|http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000-I9220-
|Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone-
|p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Googleutm_medium=cpcutm_campaign=
|TBDF-XX86742
|
|
|
|Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs near that 
much.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|   |-Original Message-
|   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
|   |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM
|   |To: ozDotNet
|   |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|
|   |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean
|david.k...@microsoft.com
|   |wrote:
|   |
|   |
|   |   (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with 
Microsoft's,
|or as
|   |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't
|work on the
|   |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering
|decisions)
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |:)
|   |
|   |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you...  If I was commenting
|officially on
|   |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email.
|   |
|   |
|   |   Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will 
actually
|take
|   |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps?
|How many
|   |of you will have already replaced your phone by then?
|   |
|   |   It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I 
don't
|know
|   |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 -
|24
|   |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the 
time
|Phone 8
|   |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at 
the
|start of
|   |a new upgrade cycle.
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones.
|Now we can
|   |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the
|phone
|   |separate from carrier.
|   |
|   |
|   |
|   |   -Original Message-
|
|   |   From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com  [mailto:ozdotnet-
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|   |   Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM
|   |   To: 'ozDotNet'
|   |   Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|   |   Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old
|customers ?  I
|   |   see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.
|   |
|   |   For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and
|thought,
|   |and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with
|them, not
|   |just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three
|years
|   |   ago)
|   |
|   |   The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a
|windows
|   |phone today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when 
I
|said to
|   |buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone
|will be
|   |obsolete come September.
|   |
|   |
|   |   |-Original Message-
|   |   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-21 Thread mike smith

I should have made my position a bit clearer, I already have a telstra
unlimited plan, and don't really want to buy another plan from them.  OTOH,
I wouldn't mind buying a phone and swapping SIMs for a while to try it out.
 Which was why I was asking if there was the equivalent of Google's
'concept' phones like the Nexus series have been.  (that typically do not
rely on the carrier to push OS updates)

  Mike

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:23 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.comwrote:

  I just had a look, my current bill is around $135 per month for two
 phones, on nearly absolute cheapest minutes + highest data plan. That’s
 $1620 for two years per phone. So it’s not that far off Australia. If I
 brought my own device, I would not have saved much off that (I know this
 because I borked at the cost of that being that my previous phone [I didn’t
 use mobiles much] many, many years previous was on the $5 Telstra plan).**
 **

 ** **

 *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
 *Sent:* Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:59 PM

 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 ** **

 On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bill McCarthy 
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

 |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones.  Now we
 can
 |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone
 |separate from carrier.

 Really ?   What price is the latest smart phone outright, about $600 ?
 Over 24 months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only
 charge about half that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more.*
 ***


 Ok, Samsung Galaxy Note - buy outright $500 - buy on Telstra plan $1776
 over 24 months MINIMUM

 ** **

 http://www.telstra.com.au/latest-offers/samsung-galaxy-note/index.htm 

 ** **


 http://www.topbuy.com.au/tbcart/pc/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-N7000-I9220-Unlocked-Carbon-Blue-3g-And-Next-G-5-3-Inch-Mobile-Gps-Phone-p134153.htm?utm_source=TopBuy_Googleutm_medium=cpcutm_campaign=TBDF-XX86742
 

 ** **

 Ok, you still need a plan to run the phone, but not one that costs near
 that much.

 ** **

 ** **

  



 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-

 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
 |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |

 |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com
 |wrote:
 |
 |
 |   (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with
 Microsoft's, or as
 |representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't
 work on the
 |team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering
 decisions)
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |:)
 |
 |I'd comment on a gmail account were I you...  If I was commenting
 officially on
 |HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email.
 |
 |
 |   Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will
 actually take
 |for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many
 |of you will have already replaced your phone by then?
 |
 |   It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't
 know
 |how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24
 |months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time
 Phone 8
 |has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the
 start of
 |a new upgrade cycle.
 |
 |
 |
 |America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones.  Now we
 can
 |buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone
 |separate from carrier.
 |
 |
 |
 |   -Original Message-

 |   From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
 |   Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM
 |   To: 'ozDotNet'
 |   Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |   Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old
 customers ?  I
 |   see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.
 |
 |   For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and
 thought,
 |and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with
 them, not
 |just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three
 years
 |   ago)
 |
 |   The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a
 windows
 |phone today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I
 said to
 |buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be
 |obsolete come September.
 |
 |
 |   |-Original Message-
 |   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
 |   |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM
 |   |To: ozDotNet
 |   |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |   |
 |   |I don't why

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

My Friday venting:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phone-8-an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this don't 
help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and move on - 
complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass.

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

My Friday venting:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phone-8-an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-21 Thread Scott Barnes

One of my old Microsoft bosses used to say - The dogs may bark at the
train, but the train keeps going... whenever we faced criticism like blog
posts etc. As Nick stated, what's done is done, now its either bend over
and accept it or throw some punches ;) hehehe

---
Regards,
Scott Barnes
http://www.riagenic.com


On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.comwrote:

 We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this
 don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and
 move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass.

 Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
 Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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 author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty
 Ltd.


 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
 Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM
 To: 'ozDotNet'
 Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

 My Friday venting:

 http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phone-8-an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Yeh yeh, I know suck it up princess ;)

The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street journal etc 
etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to come out with a 
better story, a better explanation, or both.


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:24 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this don't
|help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and move on -
|complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass.
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
|Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this
|email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not 
disclose
|or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not
|guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions
|expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of 
Built
|to Roam Pty Ltd.
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|My Friday venting:
|http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phone-8-
|an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx
|
|

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call with the 
phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot is that if we want 
to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance to assist developers build 
for 7.x (which will work across wp8) unless they specifically want to leverage 
wp8 functions.


Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:29 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced



Yeh yeh, I know suck it up princess ;)



The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street journal etc 
etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to come out with a 
better story, a better explanation, or both.





|-Original Message-

|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-

|boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph

|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:24 AM

|To: ozDotNet

|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

|

|We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like

|this don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what

|is, and move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to 
pass.

|

|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone

|Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in

|this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you

|may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built

|to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or

|attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own

|and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.

|

|

|-Original Message-

|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-

|boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy

|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM

|To: 'ozDotNet'

|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

|

|My Friday venting:

|http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phone

|-8-

|an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx

|

|

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-21 Thread David Connors

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.comwrote:

 We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this
 don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and
 move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass.


Alternatively, you're unlikely to change group think by staying silent.

Now, where's my start button.

-- 
David Connors
da...@connors.me

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Yeh but you're working on the assumption the phone team is stupid. They're not, 
they understand the trade offs, they recognise this will piss certain people 
off, they look at the market and the majority _just don't care!!!_ It's as 
simple as that. Trade off of new features, upgraded platform versus the tiny % 
of the population that actually care.

Windows Phone still suffers from chicken and egg syndrome. Whilst there are a 
lot of apps coming into market, it's still a small % compared to other 
platforms. Developers won't build for a platform with such a low percentage 
market share (not worth it). Yet, consumers won't buy devices without the core 
set of apps. Well that's what the various tech journals would have you believe. 
The reality is that people buy phones for a TON of different reasons ranging 
from it being bright and shiny (think Lumia 610) to having a freakin massive 
screen (Galaxy Note) to having a wide range of awesome apps (iPhone).

If Microsoft want to succeed they need to sell phones. Simple as that. So it's 
a balancing act between getting developers (in the long term) to build for the 
platform versus pissing some developers off in the short term. WP8 is that bet 
imho - they've stated they're chasing Enterprise, Gaming and compat with 
Windows. I get it, that's where developers want to be building app. I see WP8 
as delivering on that.

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of David Connors
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:31 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Nick Randolph 
n...@builttoroam.commailto:n...@builttoroam.com wrote:
We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this don't 
help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and move on - 
complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass.

Alternatively, you're unlikely to change group think by staying silent.

Now, where's my start button.

--
David Connors
da...@connors.memailto:da...@connors.me

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-21 Thread mike smith

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.comwrote:

 Yeh but you’re working on the assumption the phone team is stupid. They’re
 not, they understand the trade offs, they recognise this will piss certain
 people off, they look at the market and the majority _*just don’t care!!!*_
 It’s as simple as that. Trade off of new features, upgraded platform versus
 the tiny % of the population that actually care.

 ** **

 Windows Phone still suffers from chicken and egg syndrome. Whilst there
 are a lot of apps coming into market, it’s still a small % compared to
 other platforms. Developers won’t build for a platform with such a low
 percentage market share (not worth it). Yet, consumers won’t buy devices
 without the core set of apps. Well that’s what the various tech journals
 would have you believe.


If you make it really easy to port apps, then they (devs) will.  This means
Microsoft need to make it easy, Android and Apple already have established
market.


 The reality is that people buy phones for a TON of different reasons
 ranging from it being bright and shiny (think Lumia 610) to having a
 freakin massive screen (Galaxy Note) to having a wide range of awesome apps
 (iPhone). 

 **


And some people just want a phone, but don't mind using the shiny extras.


  **

 If Microsoft want to succeed they need to sell phones. Simple as that. So
 it’s a balancing act between getting developers (in the long term) to build
 for the platform versus pissing some developers off in the short term. WP8
 is that bet imho – they’ve stated they’re chasing Enterprise, Gaming and
 compat with Windows. I get it, that’s where developers want to be building
 app. I see WP8 as delivering on that.


Possibly.  My concern is that W8 on desktop is being shoehorned to make it
superficially compatible with WP8.  But in the long term, I will keep on
playing and working with both. :)



 

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 ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors
 *Sent:* Friday, 22 June 2012 10:31 AM

 *To:* ozDotNet
 *Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 ** **

 On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.com
 wrote:

 We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this
 don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and
 move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass.*
 ***

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 Alternatively, you're unlikely to change group think by staying silent.***
 *

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RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

I thought Windows RT only allowed WinRT apps with the exception of the 
preloaded Office.

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:45 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Not sure I follow Windows RT isn't encouraging native apps?
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
|Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this
|email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not 
disclose
|or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not
|guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions
|expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of 
Built
|to Roam Pty Ltd.
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before MS made 
it
|all public yesterday.
|
|Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native support 
was
|to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and Android. The existing 7.5
|(soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I heard was  2%, and that figure will 
drop
|not grow; that is it has now reached its peak.
|
|It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. I'm still 
unclear if
|there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems funny to me that the phone is
|encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't. The developer story still is not
|clear to me
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:32 AM
||To: ozDotNet
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call
||with the phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot
||is that if we want to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance
||to assist developers build for 7.x (which will work across wp8) unless
||they specifically want to leverage wp8 functions.
||
||
||
||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in
||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you
||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built
||to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or
||attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own
||and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.
||
||
||
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:29 AM
||To: 'ozDotNet'
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||
||
||Yeh yeh, I know suck it up princess ;)
||
||
||
||The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street
||journal etc etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to
||come out with a better story, a better explanation, or both.
||
||
||
||
||
|||-Original Message-
||
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
|||mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  [mailto:ozdotnet-
||
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:|boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of
|||Nick Randolph
||
|||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:24 AM
||
|||To: ozDotNet
||
|||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
|||
||
|||We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like
||
|||this don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what
||
|||is, and move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to
|||come to
||pass.
||
|||
||
|||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
||
|||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in
||
|||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you
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|||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way.
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|||-Original Message-
||
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
|||mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  [mailto:ozdotnet-
||
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:|boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of
|||Bill McCarthy
||
|||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:14 AM
||
|||To: 'ozDotNet'
||
|||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
|||
||
|||My Friday venting:
||
|||http://msmvps.com/blogs/bill/archive/2012/06/22/why-isn-t-windows-phon
|||e
||
|||-8-
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|||an-update-for-nokia-lumia-s.aspx
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RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Right, but surely WinRT apps can themselves be written in native code, they 
just can't reference any non-winrt components? 

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Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:54 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

I thought Windows RT only allowed WinRT apps with the exception of the 
preloaded Office.

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:45 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Not sure I follow Windows RT isn't encouraging native apps?
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone 
|Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in 
|this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you 
|may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built 
|to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or 
|attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own 
|and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before 
|MS made it all public yesterday.
|
|Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native 
|support was to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and 
|Android. The existing 7.5 (soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I 
|heard was  2%, and that figure will drop not grow; that is it has now reached 
its peak.
|
|It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. I'm 
|still unclear if there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems funny 
|to me that the phone is encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't. 
|The developer story still is not clear to me
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:32 AM
||To: ozDotNet
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call 
||with the phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot 
||is that if we want to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance 
||to assist developers build for 7.x (which will work across wp8) unless 
||they specifically want to leverage wp8 functions.
||
||
||
||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone 
||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in 
||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you 
||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. 
||Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails 
||or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's 
||own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.
||
||
||
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:29 AM
||To: 'ozDotNet'
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||
||
||Yeh yeh, I know suck it up princess ;)
||
||
||
||The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street 
||journal etc etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to 
||come out with a better story, a better explanation, or both.
||
||
||
||
||
|||-Original Message-
||
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
|||mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  [mailto:ozdotnet-
||
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:|boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of 
|||Nick Randolph
||
|||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:24 AM
||
|||To: ozDotNet
||
|||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
|||
||
|||We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like
||
|||this don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what
||
|||is, and move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to 
|||come to
||pass.
||
|||
||
|||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
||
|||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in
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|||this email

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

And directX is ?

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:03 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Right, but surely WinRT apps can themselves be written in native code, they 
just
|can't reference any non-winrt components?
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
|Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this
|email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not 
disclose
|or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not
|guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions
|expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of 
Built
|to Roam Pty Ltd.
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:54 AM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I thought Windows RT only allowed WinRT apps with the exception of the
|preloaded Office.
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:45 AM
||To: ozDotNet
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||Not sure I follow Windows RT isn't encouraging native apps?
||
||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in
||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you
||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built
||to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or
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||
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM
||To: 'ozDotNet'
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before
||MS made it all public yesterday.
||
||Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native
||support was to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and
||Android. The existing 7.5 (soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I
||heard was  2%, and that figure will drop not grow; that is it has now 
reached its
|peak.
||
||It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. I'm
||still unclear if there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems funny
||to me that the phone is encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't.
||The developer story still is not clear to me
||
|||-Original Message-
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:32 AM
|||To: ozDotNet
|||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|||
|||Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call
|||with the phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot
|||is that if we want to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance
|||to assist developers build for 7.x (which will work across wp8) unless
|||they specifically want to leverage wp8 functions.
|||
|||
|||
|||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
|||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in
|||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you
|||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way.
|||Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails
|||or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's
|||own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.
|||
|||
|||
|||-Original Message-
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:29 AM
|||To: 'ozDotNet'
|||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|||
|||
|||
|||Yeh yeh, I know suck it up princess ;)
|||
|||
|||
|||The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street
|||journal etc etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to
|||come out with a better story, a better explanation, or both.
|||
|||
|||
|||
|||
-Original Message-
|||
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com
mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com  [mailto:ozdotnet-
|||
boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:|boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of
Nick Randolph
|||
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:24 AM
|||
To: ozDotNet
|||
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|||

|||
We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like
|||
this don't

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-21 Thread David Connors

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.comwrote:

 Right, but surely WinRT apps can themselves be written in native code,
 they just can't reference any non-winrt components?


Correct, that is the point of WinRT.

It is just a jailed process UNIX style AKA direct knock off of how iOS
works. Re Bill's other comment re DirectX, I would imagine that would be a
WinRT projection/slightly dumbed down and not DirectX natively.

-- 
David Connors
da...@connors.me

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Supported.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br205756.aspx


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:04 AM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|And directX is ?
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:03 AM
||To: ozDotNet
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||Right, but surely WinRT apps can themselves be written in native code,
||they just can't reference any non-winrt components?
||
||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in
||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you
||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built
||to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or
||attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own
||and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.
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||
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:54 AM
||To: 'ozDotNet'
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||I thought Windows RT only allowed WinRT apps with the exception of the
||preloaded Office.
||
|||-Original Message-
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:45 AM
|||To: ozDotNet
|||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|||
|||Not sure I follow Windows RT isn't encouraging native apps?
|||
|||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
|||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in
|||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you
|||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way.
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|||
|||-Original Message-
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM
|||To: 'ozDotNet'
|||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|||
|||I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before
|||MS made it all public yesterday.
|||
|||Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native
|||support was to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and
|||Android. The existing 7.5 (soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I
|||heard was  2%, and that figure will drop not grow; that is it has now
|||reached its
||peak.
|||
|||It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. I'm
|||still unclear if there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems funny
|||to me that the phone is encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't.
|||The developer story still is not clear to me
|||
-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:32 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call
with the phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The upshot
is that if we want to support Windows Phone we need to build guidance
to assist developers build for 7.x (which will work across wp8)
unless they specifically want to leverage wp8 functions.



Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in
this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient,
you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way.
Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails
or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's
own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.



-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:29 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced



Yeh yeh, I know suck it up princess ;)



The issue is out in the public, from gizmodo, engadget, Wall Street
journal etc etc; we, and Microsoft can't hide from that. They need to
come out with a better story, a better explanation, or both.





|-Original

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Constrained: Metro style apps can use a subset of the Win32 and COM API. This 
subset of APIs was chosen to support key scenarios for Metro style apps that 
were not already covered by the Windows Runtime, HTML/CSS, or other supported 
languages or standards. The Windows App Certification Kit ensures that your app 
uses only this subset of the Win32 and COM API.



Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the 
intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email 
in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any 
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and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.


-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:11 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Supported.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br205756.aspx


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:04 AM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|And directX is ?
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:03 AM
||To: ozDotNet
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||Right, but surely WinRT apps can themselves be written in native code, 
||they just can't reference any non-winrt components?
||
||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone 
||Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in 
||this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you 
||may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. 
||Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails 
||or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's 
||own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.
||
||
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:54 AM
||To: 'ozDotNet'
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||I thought Windows RT only allowed WinRT apps with the exception of the 
||preloaded Office.
||
|||-Original Message-
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:45 AM
|||To: ozDotNet
|||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|||
|||Not sure I follow Windows RT isn't encouraging native apps?
|||
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|||-Original Message-
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM
|||To: 'ozDotNet'
|||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|||
|||I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before 
|||MS made it all public yesterday.
|||
|||Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native 
|||support was to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and 
|||Android. The existing 7.5 (soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I 
|||heard was  2%, and that figure will drop not grow; that is it has 
|||now reached its
||peak.
|||
|||It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what. 
|||I'm still unclear if there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems 
|||funny to me that the phone is encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't.
|||The developer story still is not clear to me
|||
-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:32 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Bill, don’t get me wrong I share the same frustations (was on a call 
with the phone team at 3am this morning talking about it). The 
upshot is that if we want to support Windows Phone we need to build 
guidance to assist developers build for 7.x (which will work across 
wp8) unless they specifically want to leverage wp8 functions

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that have 
led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three years ?


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:33 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Constrained: Metro style apps can use a subset of the Win32 and COM API. This
|subset of APIs was chosen to support key scenarios for Metro style apps that
|were not already covered by the Windows Runtime, HTML/CSS, or other
|supported languages or standards. The Windows App Certification Kit ensures
|that your app uses only this subset of the Win32 and COM API.
|
|
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
|Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this
|email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not 
disclose
|or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not
|guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions
|expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of 
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|to Roam Pty Ltd.
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|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:11 AM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Supported.
|http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/br205756.aspx
|
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:04 AM
||To: 'ozDotNet'
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||And directX is ?
||
|||-Original Message-
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:03 AM
|||To: ozDotNet
|||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|||
|||Right, but surely WinRT apps can themselves be written in native code,
|||they just can't reference any non-winrt components?
|||
|||Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
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|||
|||-Original Message-
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|||Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:54 AM
|||To: 'ozDotNet'
|||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|||
|||I thought Windows RT only allowed WinRT apps with the exception of the
|||preloaded Office.
|||
-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:45 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Not sure I follow Windows RT isn't encouraging native apps?

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in
this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient,
you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way.
Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails
or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's
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-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 10:41 AM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

I'd like to think those discussions were had in private forums before
MS made it all public yesterday.

Re: developer advice, I thought MS also made it clear the new native
support was to make it easier for apps to port over from iOS and
Android. The existing 7.5 (soon to be 7.8) market is small. Last I
heard was  2%, and that figure will drop not grow; that is it has
now reached its
|||peak.

It'll be interesting to see when the SDK is available what's what.
I'm still unclear if there will be WinRT on the phone. It also seems
funny to me that the phone is encouraging native apps, but Windows RT isn't.
The developer story still is not clear to me

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-21 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy 
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

 To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that
 have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three
 years ?



I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local
shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising.
You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop
I typically see on the racks

2 x iPhone (black  white)
10 x Android
1 (maybe 2) x WP7

Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves.
iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now.

Craig.

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-21 Thread mike smith

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Craig van Nieuwkerk crai...@gmail.comwrote:



 On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy 
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

 To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues
 that have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last
 three years ?



 I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local
 shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising.
 You can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop
 I typically see on the racks

 2 x iPhone (black  white)
 10 x Android
 1 (maybe 2) x WP7

 Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves.
 iPhone can get away with it because they are so well known now.


And they do product placement like you wouldn't believe.


-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

I seem to recall there was a bit of advertising on initial launch some
two/three years ago, then it died right down. Until the recent wave of
Lumia's, you couldn't even purchase a WP online with Telstra not that long
ago. They were there, and then they weren't, and now they're back, but I
expect that will change.

One thing I noticed was the Telstra shops had little knowledge or in-store
advertising of WP.

Does yesterday's announcement fix those issues or make them worse ?


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
|Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|
|On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
|wrote:
|
|
|   To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top
issues that
|have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three
years
|?
|
|
|
|
|
|I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local
shopping
|centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You can't
miss it.
|But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I typically see on
the racks
|
|2 x iPhone (black  white)
|10 x Android
|1 (maybe 2) x WP7
|
|Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves.
iPhone can
|get away with it because they are so well known now.
|
|Craig.
|
|
|

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-21 Thread Craig van Nieuwkerk




 One thing I noticed was the Telstra shops had little knowledge or in-store
 advertising of WP.



I know the Telstra shop at Watergardens in Melbourne had a fair bit of in
store advertising in the last few months, just not many phones.

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-21 Thread Ken Schaefer

Even if you could get hold of one, apps are missing.

 

All those apps that let people stay in touch, or play games against each
other, have been very slow to come to WP (WhatsApp, HearTell, Words with
Friends, Skype, that finger painting one that seems to be all the rage now)

 

Cheers
Ken

 

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk
Sent: Friday, 22 June 2012 11:50 AM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

 

 

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

To change tack a little, what in your opinion would be the top issues that
have led to the relatively poor uptake of Windows Phone over the last three
years ?

 

 

I think lack of availability is a big issue. When I walk through my local
shopping centre or browse catalogues I see WP7 get a lot of advertising. You
can't miss it. But if I go into a Telstra shop or typically phone shop I
typically see on the racks

 

2 x iPhone (black  white)

10 x Android

1 (maybe 2) x WP7

 

Doesn't matter how much you advertise if they are not on the shelves. iPhone
can get away with it because they are so well known now.

 

Craig.

forward
with Windows 8 they have to invest more than they have ever before
(historically i doub't we'll see this level of investment form Microsoft
before) as if Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8 fails not only is Steve Ballmer
going to face a nervous board meeting but Steve Sinofsky's time in
Microsoft will be much like the guy who brought us Windows Vista ... Who is
he again?

If Microsoft want to succeed they need to sell phones. Simple as that. So
it’s a balancing act between getting developers (in the long term) to build
for the platform versus pissing some developers off in the short term. WP8
is that bet imho – they’ve stated they’re chasing Enterprise, Gaming and
compat with Windows. I get it, that’s where developers want to be building
app. I see WP8 as delivering on that.

Agree in part but one thing to note is that up until now its really been a
C#/XAML only discussion but keep a close eye on the IE10 story as not only
is it opening up the phone gap more with its SDK potential but you could
likely see a more broader developer base. With that, if you piss off 1 C#
developer and grow 10 HTML5/JS hackathon like developer(s) over the next
3-5 years then the math would stack in their favour here (collateral damage
guys).

Further reading:
http://devlicio.us/blogs/rob_eisenberg/archive/2012/04/18/the-manifold-blunders-of-xaml-part-1-version-and-platform-hell.aspx

Microsoft releases a UX platform every 2 years.. (kind of).

*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *David Connors
*Sent:* Friday, 22 June 2012 10:31 AM

*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

** **

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.com
wrote:

We vented yesterday, now to get on with business. Public posts like this
don't help a bad situation, they just make it worse. Accept what is, and
move on - complaining isn't going to change what's going to come to pass.*
***

** **

Alternatively, you're unlikely to change group think by staying silent.***
*

** **

Now, where's my start button.

** **

--
David Connors
da...@connors.me

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

It sucks. Was finally seeing Windows Phone front page of Telstra catalogues
etc. Now what happens to sales ?  Do they say oh if you buy this now it's
obsolete in 3 to 6 months time ?  Stupid.


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 12:13 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Your technology is out of date before you bought it.
|
|I'm more stunned that Scott likes it than the announcements themselves. :p
|
|On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Bill McCarthy
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
|wrote:
| Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now
| apparently it is :(
|
|
| |-Original Message-
| |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
| |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
| |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
| |To: ozDotNet
| |Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
| |
| |For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows
| |Phone 8 announcement.
| |
| |http://bit.ly/MrWEze
| |Some highlights:
| |
| |*      Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
| |*      New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have
| |1/4
| sized
| |mini tiles to give it more flavour.
| |*      A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and
| |deploy
| from
| |their internal servers.
| |*      Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
| |*      Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing
| |devices will
| get a
| |7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
| |
| |http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows
| |-
| |phone-8-announcement/
| |
| |-David Burela
| |Regional Technical Evangelist
| |Infragistics
|

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-20 Thread Greg Kennedy

I got a Lumia 800 as a replacement for Mozart last week. The kicker will be
to see how much difference there is between 7.8  8. If it's mostly
hardware driven (eg: core speeds  resolution) then there's not really any
point worrying about jumping it at the wrong time.
Also, it's not out yet. We've still got a few months of having 'current'
gear.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Bill McCarthy 
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

 It sucks. Was finally seeing Windows Phone front page of Telstra catalogues
 etc. Now what happens to sales ?  Do they say oh if you buy this now it's
 obsolete in 3 to 6 months time ?  Stupid.


 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 12:13 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |Your technology is out of date before you bought it.
 |
 |I'm more stunned that Scott likes it than the announcements themselves. :p
 |
 |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Bill McCarthy
 bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 |wrote:
 | Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now
 | apparently it is :(
 |
 |
 | |-Original Message-
 | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
 | |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
 | |To: ozDotNet
 | |Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
 | |
 | |For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows
 | |Phone 8 announcement.
 | |
 | |http://bit.ly/MrWEze
 | |Some highlights:
 | |
 | |*  Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
 | |*  New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have
 | |1/4
 | sized
 | |mini tiles to give it more flavour.
 | |*  A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and
 | |deploy
 | from
 | |their internal servers.
 | |*  Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
 | |*  Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing
 | |devices will
 | get a
 | |7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
 | |
 | |http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows
 | |-
 | |phone-8-announcement/
 | |
 | |-David Burela
 | |Regional Technical Evangelist
 | |Infragistics
 |

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

IE10, native C++ software/games, directX, NFC (although not sure if the
hardware is there), device drivers (yep printing using the micro USB).
There's probably more ...

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kennedy
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:15 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I got a Lumia 800 as a replacement for Mozart last week. The kicker will be
to see
|how much difference there is between 7.8  8. If it's mostly hardware
driven (eg:
|core speeds  resolution) then there's not really any point worrying about
|jumping it at the wrong time.
|Also, it's not out yet. We've still got a few months of having 'current'
gear.
|
|
|On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Bill McCarthy
|bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
|
|
|   It sucks. Was finally seeing Windows Phone front page of Telstra
|catalogues
|   etc. Now what happens to sales ?  Do they say oh if you buy this now
it's
|   obsolete in 3 to 6 months time ?  Stupid.
|
|
|
|   |-Original Message-
|   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
|   |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 12:13 PM
|   |To: ozDotNet
|   |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|   |Your technology is out of date before you bought it.
|   |
|   |I'm more stunned that Scott likes it than the announcements
|themselves. :p
|   |
|   |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Bill McCarthy
|   bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
|   |wrote:
|
|   | Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now
|   | apparently it is :(
|   |
|   |
|   | |-Original Message-
|   | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|   | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
|   | |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
|   | |To: ozDotNet
|   | |Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   | |
|   | |For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the
Windows
|   | |Phone 8 announcement.
|   | |
|   | |http://bit.ly/MrWEze
|   | |Some highlights:
|   | |
|   | |*  Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
|   | |*  New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now
have
|   | |1/4
|   | sized
|   | |mini tiles to give it more flavour.
|   | |*  A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps
and
|   | |deploy
|   | from
|   | |their internal servers.
|   | |*  Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
|   | |*  Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing
|   | |devices will
|   | get a
|   | |7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new
tiles.
|   | |
|   | |http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-
|windows
|   | |-
|   | |phone-8-announcement/
|   | |
|   | |-David Burela
|   | |Regional Technical Evangelist
|   | |Infragistics
|   |
|
|
|

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-20 Thread Greg Kennedy

Yeah, true.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Bill McCarthy 
bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:

 IE10, native C++ software/games, directX, NFC (although not sure if the
 hardware is there), device drivers (yep printing using the micro USB).
 There's probably more ...

 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Kennedy
 |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:15 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |I got a Lumia 800 as a replacement for Mozart last week. The kicker will
 be
 to see
 |how much difference there is between 7.8  8. If it's mostly hardware
 driven (eg:
 |core speeds  resolution) then there's not really any point worrying about
 |jumping it at the wrong time.
 |Also, it's not out yet. We've still got a few months of having 'current'
 gear.
 |
 |
 |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Bill McCarthy
 |bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au wrote:
 |
 |
 |   It sucks. Was finally seeing Windows Phone front page of Telstra
 |catalogues
 |   etc. Now what happens to sales ?  Do they say oh if you buy this
 now
 it's
 |   obsolete in 3 to 6 months time ?  Stupid.
 |
 |
 |
 |   |-Original Message-
 |   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |
 |   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price
 |   |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 12:13 PM
 |   |To: ozDotNet
 |   |Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |   |
 |   |Your technology is out of date before you bought it.
 |   |
 |   |I'm more stunned that Scott likes it than the announcements
 |themselves. :p
 |   |
 |   |On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:48 AM, Bill McCarthy
 |   bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au
 |   |wrote:
 |
 |   | Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now
 |   | apparently it is :(
 |   |
 |   |
 |   | |-Original Message-
 |   | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |   | |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
 |   | |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
 |   | |To: ozDotNet
 |   | |Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |   | |
 |   | |For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the
 Windows
 |   | |Phone 8 announcement.
 |   | |
 |   | |http://bit.ly/MrWEze
 |   | |Some highlights:
 |   | |
 |   | |*  Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
 |   | |*  New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now
 have
 |   | |1/4
 |   | sized
 |   | |mini tiles to give it more flavour.
 |   | |*  A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps
 and
 |   | |deploy
 |   | from
 |   | |their internal servers.
 |   | |*  Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
 |   | |*  Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing
 |   | |devices will
 |   | get a
 |   | |7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new
 tiles.
 |   | |
 |   | |http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-
 |windows
 |   | |-
 |   | |phone-8-announcement/
 |   | |
 |   | |-David Burela
 |   | |Regional Technical Evangelist
 |   | |Infragistics
 |   |
 |
 |
 |

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-20 Thread Ken Schaefer

Seriously?

Apps are an important part of the whole smartphone experience, and all those
new shiny WP8 apps that will start coming out once WP8 is popular, will not
run on an expensive, flagship, Lumia phone that someone just purchased.

If Microsoft's strategy is to say buy a new phone every xyz months, then
at least be up-front about that. And people can then make informed decisions
about how much they want to spend each year. If I know that I have to throw
away my old devices every 12 months, then I'll spend corresponding less on
each individual device. If I have some confidence that I can keep the device
working with the latest software, then I can spend more on an individual
device, knowing that the investment is probably protected.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of David Kean
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device when you
bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future is
coming out?

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now apparently it
is :(


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows Phone
|8 announcement.
|
|http://bit.ly/MrWEze
|Some highlights:
|
|*  Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
|*  New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
sized
|mini tiles to give it more flavour.
|*  A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and deploy
from
|their internal servers.
|*  Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
|*  Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices will
get a
|7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
|
|http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
|phone-8-announcement/
|
|-David Burela
|Regional Technical Evangelist
|Infragistics

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old customers ?  I
see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.

For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and thought, and
expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with them, not
just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three years
ago)

The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a windows phone
today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I said to
buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be
obsolete come September.


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device when
you
|bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future is
coming
|out?
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now apparently
it is :(
|
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
||To: ozDotNet
||Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows Phone
||8 announcement.
||
||http://bit.ly/MrWEze
||Some highlights:
||
||* Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
||* New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
|sized
||mini tiles to give it more flavour.
||* A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and deploy
|from
||their internal servers.
||* Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
||* Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices will
|get a
||7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
||
||http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
||phone-8-announcement/
||
||-David Burela
||Regional Technical Evangelist
||Infragistics
|
|
|
|
|

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-20 Thread Nick Randolph

Ok, so I'm not saying that MS have made the right decision here but at some 
point they needed to make a transition. Part of the issue is that the future is 
in WinRT and Multi-core support, both of which WP7.x doesn't have. It's a 
question of prioritisation and time to deliver - does it make sense to ensure 
forward migration of existing devices with potentially no new features for WP8, 
or does it make sense for WP to catch up and perhaps even overtake competitors 
in terms of device capabilities?

Reality check: Android is dominating the market. Android has possibly the worst 
upgrade story possible. Is the Apple model of ensuring upgrades the best/only 
path?

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the 
intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email 
in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any 
emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own 
and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.


-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:03 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old customers ?  I
see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.

For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and thought, and 
expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with them, not 
just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three years
ago)

The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a windows phone 
today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I said to buy 
a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be obsolete 
come September.


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device 
|when
you
|bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future 
|is
coming
|out?
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now 
|apparently
it is :(
|
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
||To: ozDotNet
||Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows 
||Phone
||8 announcement.
||
||http://bit.ly/MrWEze
||Some highlights:
||
||* Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
||* New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
|sized
||mini tiles to give it more flavour.
||* A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and deploy
|from
||their internal servers.
||* Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
||* Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices will
|get a
||7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
||
||http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
||phone-8-announcement/
||
||-David Burela
||Regional Technical Evangelist
||Infragistics
|
|
|
|
|

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-20 Thread David Kean

(This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with Microsoft's, or as 
representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't work on 
the team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering decisions)

Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will actually take for 
Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many of you 
will have already replaced your phone by then?

It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't know how it 
works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24 months 
(depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time Phone 8 has 
released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the start of a 
new upgrade cycle.

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old customers ?  I
see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.

For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and thought, and 
expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with them, not 
just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three years
ago)

The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a windows phone 
today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I said to buy 
a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be obsolete 
come September.


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device 
|when
you
|bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future 
|is
coming
|out?
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now 
|apparently
it is :(
|
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
||To: ozDotNet
||Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows 
||Phone
||8 announcement.
||
||http://bit.ly/MrWEze
||Some highlights:
||
||* Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
||* New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
|sized
||mini tiles to give it more flavour.
||* A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and deploy
|from
||their internal servers.
||* Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
||* Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices will
|get a
||7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
||
||http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
||phone-8-announcement/
||
||-David Burela
||Regional Technical Evangelist
||Infragistics
|
|
|
|
|

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

It's a huge mistake. The apps in the market place are because of those who
supported Windows Phone over the last three years, but there's no thanks, no
upgrade for those people (7.8 is belittling consolation prize).  Meanwhile
what happens to sales ***today*** ?

Yes united core is a good move, one they should have made three or more
years ago when they abandoned Windows Mobile for the next best thing.  Now
they expect customers to wear it again as they basically say we got it wrong
again.  It's not that it's impossible to upgrade the existing devices, it is
as you said, not their focus because they want to get the next best thing
out as quick as possible. 

They need a better story than this. They need a better story for people who
go to buy a phone today/everyday.

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:10 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Ok, so I'm not saying that MS have made the right decision here but at
some
|point they needed to make a transition. Part of the issue is that the
future is in
|WinRT and Multi-core support, both of which WP7.x doesn't have. It's a
question
|of prioritisation and time to deliver - does it make sense to ensure
forward
|migration of existing devices with potentially no new features for WP8, or
does it
|make sense for WP to catch up and perhaps even overtake competitors in
terms
|of device capabilities?
|
|Reality check: Android is dominating the market. Android has possibly the
worst
|upgrade story possible. Is the Apple model of ensuring upgrades the
best/only
|path?
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone
|Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this
|email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not
disclose
|or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does
not
|guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or
opinions
|expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of
Built
|to Roam Pty Ltd.
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:03 PM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old customers ?
I
|see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.
|
|For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and thought, and
|expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with them,
not just
|abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three years
|ago)
|
|The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a windows
phone
|today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I said to
buy a
|windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be obsolete
|come September.
|
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM
||To: ozDotNet
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device
||when
|you
||bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future
||is
|coming
||out?
||
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
||Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
||To: 'ozDotNet'
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now
||apparently
|it is :(
||
||
|||-Original Message-
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
|||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
|||To: ozDotNet
|||Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
|||
|||For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows
|||Phone
|||8 announcement.
|||
|||http://bit.ly/MrWEze
|||Some highlights:
|||
|||*Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
|||*New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
||sized
|||mini tiles to give it more flavour.
|||*A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and deploy
||from
|||their internal servers.
|||*Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
|||*Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices will
||get a
|||7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
|||
|||http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
|||phone-8-announcement/
|||
|||-David Burela
|||Regional Technical Evangelist
|||Infragistics
||
||
||
||
||
|

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Personally, I got out of my last contract early as soon as the Lumia 800 was
released. If I had known then what I know now, I wouldn't have done that. I
expected the updates to continue to flow. What really grinds at me is
Microsoft most probably knew internally about the proposed change then, and
when they launched the Lumia 900.

Yes contracts here are typically 24 months. I feel sorry for those people
who purchase a Windows Phone today/yesterday/the day before, or even
tomorrow (if they don't get the warning of no update).  The apps that are
currently missing from Windows Phone, the ones people thought might come to
it, probably never will now. Screwed.

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:13 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|(This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with Microsoft's, or as
|representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't work
on the
|team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering decisions)
|
|Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will actually take
for
|Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many of
|you will have already replaced your phone by then?
|
|It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't know how
it
|works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24 months
|(depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time Phone 8
has
|released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the start
of a
|new upgrade cycle.
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old customers ?
I
|see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.
|
|For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and thought, and
|expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with them,
not just
|abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three years
|ago)
|
|The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a windows
phone
|today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I said to
buy a
|windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be obsolete
|come September.
|
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM
||To: ozDotNet
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device
||when
|you
||bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future
||is
|coming
||out?
||
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
||Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
||To: 'ozDotNet'
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now
||apparently
|it is :(
||
||
|||-Original Message-
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
|||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
|||To: ozDotNet
|||Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
|||
|||For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows
|||Phone
|||8 announcement.
|||
|||http://bit.ly/MrWEze
|||Some highlights:
|||
|||*Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
|||*New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
||sized
|||mini tiles to give it more flavour.
|||*A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and deploy
||from
|||their internal servers.
|||*Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
|||*Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices will
||get a
|||7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
|||
|||http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
|||phone-8-announcement/
|||
|||-David Burela
|||Regional Technical Evangelist
|||Infragistics
||
||
||
||
||
|
|
|
|
|
|

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-20 Thread Nick Randolph

Biggest issue is that Skype (the real version) might not come to WP7.x

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP - Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the 
intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email 
in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any 
emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own 
and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.


-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:28 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Personally, I got out of my last contract early as soon as the Lumia 800 was 
released. If I had known then what I know now, I wouldn't have done that. I 
expected the updates to continue to flow. What really grinds at me is Microsoft 
most probably knew internally about the proposed change then, and when they 
launched the Lumia 900.

Yes contracts here are typically 24 months. I feel sorry for those people who 
purchase a Windows Phone today/yesterday/the day before, or even tomorrow (if 
they don't get the warning of no update).  The apps that are currently missing 
from Windows Phone, the ones people thought might come to it, probably never 
will now. Screwed.

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:13 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|(This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with Microsoft's, or 
|as representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I 
|don't work
on the
|team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering 
|decisions)
|
|Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will actually 
|take
for
|Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many 
|of you will have already replaced your phone by then?
|
|It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't know 
|how
it
|works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24 
|months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the 
|time Phone 8
has
|released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the 
|start
of a
|new upgrade cycle.
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old customers ?
I
|see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.
|
|For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and thought, 
|and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with 
|them,
not just
|abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three years
|ago)
|
|The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a windows
phone
|today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I said 
|to
buy a
|windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be 
|obsolete come September.
|
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM
||To: ozDotNet
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device 
||when
|you
||bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future 
||is
|coming
||out?
||
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
||Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
||To: 'ozDotNet'
||Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now 
||apparently
|it is :(
||
||
|||-Original Message-
|||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- 
|||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
|||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
|||To: ozDotNet
|||Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
|||
|||For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows 
|||Phone
|||8 announcement.
|||
|||http://bit.ly/MrWEze
|||Some highlights:
|||
|||*Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
|||*New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
||sized
|||mini tiles to give it more flavour.
|||*A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and deploy
||from
|||their internal servers.
|||*Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
|||*Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices will
||get a
|||7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
|||
|||http

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-20 Thread mike smith

Whatsisnames law.   It bites just as hard for Android and Apple, so I
wouldn't be blaming Microsoft.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.comwrote:

 I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device when
 you bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future
 is coming out?

 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
 To: 'ozDotNet'
 Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

 Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now apparently
 it is :(


 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
 |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows Phone
 |8 announcement.
 |
 |http://bit.ly/MrWEze
 |Some highlights:
 |
 |*  Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
 |*  New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
 sized
 |mini tiles to give it more flavour.
 |*  A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and deploy
 from
 |their internal servers.
 |*  Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
 |*  Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices
 will
 get a
 |7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
 |
 |http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
 |phone-8-announcement/
 |
 |-David Burela
 |Regional Technical Evangelist
 |Infragistics









-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-20 Thread mike smith

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.comwrote:

 (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with Microsoft's, or as
 representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't work
 on the team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering
 decisions)


:)

I'd comment on a gmail account were I you...  If I was commenting
officially on HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email.


 Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will actually take
 for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many
 of you will have already replaced your phone by then?

 It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't know
 how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24
 months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time
 Phone 8 has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be
 at the start of a new upgrade cycle.


America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones.  Now we
can buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the
phone separate from carrier.



 -Original Message-
 From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
 On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM
 To: 'ozDotNet'
 Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

 Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old customers ?
  I
 see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.

 For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and thought, and
 expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with them,
 not just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three
 years
 ago)

 The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a windows
 phone today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I
 said to buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone
 will be obsolete come September.


 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
 |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM
 |To: ozDotNet
 |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device
 |when
 you
 |bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future
 |is
 coming
 |out?
 |
 |-Original Message-
 |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
 |Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
 |To: 'ozDotNet'
 |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
 |
 |Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now
 |apparently
 it is :(
 |
 |
 ||-Original Message-
 ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
 ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
 ||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
 ||To: ozDotNet
 ||Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
 ||
 ||For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows
 ||Phone
 ||8 announcement.
 ||
 ||http://bit.ly/MrWEze
 ||Some highlights:
 ||
 ||* Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
 ||* New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
 |sized
 ||mini tiles to give it more flavour.
 ||* A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and deploy
 |from
 ||their internal servers.
 ||* Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
 ||* Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices
 will
 |get a
 ||7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
 ||
 ||http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
 ||phone-8-announcement/
 ||
 ||-David Burela
 ||Regional Technical Evangelist
 ||Infragistics
 |
 |
 |
 |
 |










-- 
Meski

 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-20 Thread mike smith

There's temptation to upgrade for latest features. Siri? I doubt that
that supports backwards.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.com wrote:

Hummm can’t recall the last time Apple dropped the ball – they support
upgrade for vN-1 devices.

** **

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Phone Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
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** **

*From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:
ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *mike smith
*Sent:* Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:36 PM

*To:* ozDotNet
*Subject:* Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

** **

Whatsisnames law. It bites just as hard for Android and Apple, so I
wouldn't be blaming Microsoft.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com
wrote:

I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device when
you bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future
is coming out?

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com]
On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Now I'm really grumpy... My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now apparently
it is :(

|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows Phone
|8 announcement.
|
|http://bit.ly/MrWEze
|Some highlights:
|
|* Shared core between Windows 8 Windows Phone 8.
|* New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
sized
|mini tiles to give it more flavour.
|* A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and deploy
from
|their internal servers.
|* Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
|* Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices
will
get a
|7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
|
|http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
|phone-8-announcement/http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-%0d%0a%7Cphone-8-announcement/
|
|-David Burela
|Regional Technical Evangelist
|Infragistics

** **

--
Meski

http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

** **

--
Meski

http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv

Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure,
you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

|America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones.  Now we can
|buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone
|separate from carrier.

Really ?   What price is the latest smart phone outright, about $600 ? Over 24 
months, that's about $25 a month. The carriers generally only charge about half 
that with a package, so a saving of about $300 or more.




|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:41 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:13 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com
|wrote:
|
|
|   (This is my own opinion, please do not confuse it with Microsoft's, or 
as
|representing Microsoft's. While I contribute code to Phone 8, I don't work on 
the
|team, and am not privy to why behind their marketing/engineering decisions)
|
|
|
|
|:)
|
|I'd comment on a gmail account were I you...  If I was commenting officially on
|HP matters I work with, I'd use my HP domained email.
|
|
|   Take a step back, how many years do you really think it will actually 
take
|for Phone 8 apps to become more prevalent than the Phone 7 apps? How many
|of you will have already replaced your phone by then?
|
|   It's been a while since I've owned a phone in Australia so I don't know
|how it works there, but in the US everyone gets a new phone every 18 - 24
|months (depending on if the carrier lets you upgrade early), by the time Phone 
8
|has released, and has enough apps to worry you, you'll already be at the start 
of
|a new upgrade cycle.
|
|
|
|America seems to have more carrier locked and subsidised phones.  Now we can
|buy them like that here, but it seems to work out better buying the phone
|separate from carrier.
|
|
|
|   -Original Message-
|   From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|   Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:03 PM
|   To: 'ozDotNet'
|   Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|   Seriously ?   Is that the new Microsoft policy, just dump old customers 
?  I
|   see they said 18 months of updates in regards to windows 8.
|
|   For me, I see Windows Phone as something that's evolving, and thought,
|and expected it, just like the iphone does, bring customers along with them, 
not
|just abandon them every three years or so (well last time it was three years
|   ago)
|
|   The sad part is I can't honestly tell people they should buy a windows
|phone today. And it's a paint to have to tell them, yes last week when I said 
to
|buy a windows phone that was all we knew, now we know your phone will be
|obsolete come September.
|
|
|   |-Original Message-
|   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Kean
|   |Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 1:45 PM
|   |To: ozDotNet
|   |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|   |I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device
|   |when
|   you
|   |bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future
|   |is
|   coming
|   |out?
|   |
|   |-Original Message-
|   |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|   |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|   |Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
|   |To: 'ozDotNet'
|   |Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   |
|   |Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now
|   |apparently
|   it is :(
|   |
|   |
|   ||-Original Message-
|   ||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|   ||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
|   ||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
|   ||To: ozDotNet
|   ||Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
|   ||
|   ||For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows
|   ||Phone
|   ||8 announcement.
|   ||
|   ||http://bit.ly/MrWEze
|   ||Some highlights:
|   ||
|   ||* Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
|   ||* New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
|   |sized
|   ||mini tiles to give it more flavour.
|   ||* A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and
|deploy
|   |from
|   ||their internal servers.
|   ||* Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
|   ||* Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices 
will
|   |get a
|   ||7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
|   ||
|   ||http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-
|windows-
|   ||phone-8-announcement/
|http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
|||phone-8

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

2012-06-20 Thread Nick Randolph

Yes but you missed the point: new OS generally does mean new features, some of 
which you may only get on new devices (this goes without saying). What’s 
unacceptable (at least for most of us) is that existing devices will _not_ run 
applications that target the new version of the OS _and_ that there is no way 
for existing devices to upgrade to a version of the OS that will run those apps.

Exclusions to this expectation are:

-  At some point there always needs to be a cut off for which older 
devices won’t be able to get the new OS. For Apple this is typically vN-2.

-  There are some applications that specifically target new features of 
the OS that will only run on new hardware (eg they use a new sensor that isn’t 
available on older devices), in which case there is an expectation that these 
won’t work on old hardware.

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam
The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the 
intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email 
in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any 
emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own 
and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:43 PM
To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

There's temptation to upgrade for latest features.  Siri?  I doubt that that 
supports backwards.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Nick Randolph 
n...@builttoroam.commailto:n...@builttoroam.com wrote:
Hummm can’t recall the last time Apple dropped the ball – they support upgrade 
for vN-1 devices.

Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone 
Development | +61 412 413 425tel:%2B61%20412%20413%20425 | @btroam
The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the 
intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email 
in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any 
emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own 
and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.

From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of mike smith
Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:36 PM

To: ozDotNet
Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced

Whatsisnames law.   It bites just as hard for Android and Apple, so I wouldn't 
be blaming Microsoft.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM, David Kean 
david.k...@microsoft.commailto:david.k...@microsoft.com wrote:
I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device when you 
bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future is coming 
out?

-Original Message-
From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On 
Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
To: 'ozDotNet'
Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now apparently it is 
:(


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com 
[mailto:ozdotnet-mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows Phone
|8 announcement.
|
|http://bit.ly/MrWEze
|Some highlights:
|
|*  Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
|*  New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
sized
|mini tiles to give it more flavour.
|*  A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and deploy
from
|their internal servers.
|*  Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
|*  Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices will
get a
|7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
|
|http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
|phone-8-announcement/http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-%0d%0a%7Cphone-8-announcement/
|
|-David Burela
|Regional Technical Evangelist
|Infragistics







--
Meski
 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills




--
Meski
 http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv


Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll 
get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced

To add to his, I think it is fair to say everyone who bought a windows phone 
bought it on the expectation of an evolving ecosystem: the apps weren't/aren't 
there, the peripherals aren't weren't there. It's that whole chicken and egg 
thing, that people bought into Windows Phone on the promise of a better 
tomorrow, nit just what was/is on offer yesterday.


|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:51 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Yes but you missed the point: new OS generally does mean new features, some of
|which you may only get on new devices (this goes without saying). What’s
|unacceptable (at least for most of us) is that existing devices will _not_ run
|applications that target the new version of the OS _and_ that there is no way 
for
|existing devices to upgrade to a version of the OS that will run those apps.
|
|
|
|Exclusions to this expectation are:
|
|-  At some point there always needs to be a cut off for which older 
devices
|won’t be able to get the new OS. For Apple this is typically vN-2.
|
|-  There are some applications that specifically target new features 
of the OS
|that will only run on new hardware (eg they use a new sensor that isn’t 
available
|on older devices), in which case there is an expectation that these won’t work 
on
|old hardware.
|
|
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
|Development | +61 412 413 425 | @btroam The information contained in this
|email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not 
disclose
|or use the information in this email in any way. Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not
|guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions
|expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of 
Built
|to Roam Pty Ltd.
|
|
|
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:43 PM
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|
|There's temptation to upgrade for latest features.  Siri?  I doubt that that
|supports backwards.
|
|On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.com wrote:
|
|Hummm can’t recall the last time Apple dropped the ball – they support upgrade
|for vN-1 devices.
|
|
|
|Nick Randolph | Built to Roam Pty Ltd | Microsoft MVP – Windows Phone
|Development | +61 412 413 425 tel:%2B61%20412%20413%20425  | @btroam
|The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the 
intended
|recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any 
way.
|Built to Roam Pty Ltd does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or 
attached
|files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect
|the views or opinions of Built to Roam Pty Ltd.
|
|
|
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of mike smith
|Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 2:36 PM
|
|
|To: ozDotNet
|Subject: Re: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|
|
|Whatsisnames law.   It bites just as hard for Android and Apple, so I wouldn't 
be
|blaming Microsoft.
|
|On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:44 PM, David Kean david.k...@microsoft.com
|wrote:
|
|I don't why the unhappiness, clearly you were happy with the device when you
|bought it, why do you care that a newer device sometime in the future is coming
|out?
|
|
|-Original Message-
|From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
|boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy
|Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:48 PM
|To: 'ozDotNet'
|Subject: RE: Windows Phone 8 announced
|
|Now I'm really grumpy...  My lumia 800 isn't that old, but now apparently it 
is :(
|
|
||-Original Message-
||From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-
||boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
||Sent: Thursday, 21 June 2012 4:52 AM
||To: ozDotNet
||Subject: Windows Phone 8 announced
||
||For anyone interested, I put my rough notes online of the Windows Phone
||8 announcement.
||
||http://bit.ly/MrWEze
||Some highlights:
||
||*  Shared core between Windows 8  Windows Phone 8.
||*  New user definable tile sizes (like Windows 8). Can now have 1/4
|sized
||mini tiles to give it more flavour.
||*  A new company hub that corporate IT can display apps and deploy
|from
||their internal servers.
||*  Support for new high resolution screens (720p)
||*  Existing device aren't upgradeable to 8.0, but existing devices will
|get a
||7.8 update that will give some of the features, such as the new tiles.
||
||http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
||phone-8-announcement/
||http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/my-notes-from-the-windows-
||%0d%0a%7Cphone-8-announcement/
||
||-David Burela
||Regional Technical Evangelist
||Infragistics

RE: Windows Phone 8 announced