Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Bob Blakely]

From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Bob B. wrote:
> > Look. No one is being pissy here until you jumped in with this. No one
is
> > jumping on anyone else for previous submissions. No on is dumping on
anyone
> > who has followed the rules.
>
> Obviously you do not know what you have been saying.

Yes. I do.

> According to the submission guidelines for open months, submissions shot
with non Pentax equipment were clearly welcome. Five participants in the
September gallery submitted pictures shot with non Pentax equipment.

Yes. Entirely acceptable. Those were the rules. They did nothing wrong.

> This is what you said:
> "If yer going to be submitting to the gallery, why on earth would ya
submit photo's taken with other brand equipment?

The rules notwithstanding...

Why? That is, why would we want it that way?

> Oh. yeah. I forgot. Ego. Look, there's lots o' places where you can submit
yer
> photos that are not brand related. Photo Critique is one. Satisfy your
personal
> egos there. Give us a link and we'll all go "h" and "Aaaah". "
>
> [snip]
> > Now, there is no reason for anyone here to apologize for stating their
> > opinions concerning their desires for the composition of the PUG. You
> > believe you (or someone else ) were insulted. Why? Your ego?

> No, because you singled out the non Pentax shooting participants of the
gallery

Yes, so? Being a non Pentax shooter is not a race, ethnic origin, religion,
sex, sexual preference or the like. It's a *choice*. I was just singled out
(personally, not generally) for saying what I believe. So what?

> and sarcastically implied that they somehow were showing off or satisfying
their egos, as opposed > to the Pentax shooters.
> That's what I found insulting.

Karlsson! I was not being sarcastic, and it's somwhat arrogant to assume
that what you inferred is what I implied. I said what I believe is a simple
fact of life. Among other things, we are all satisfying our egos to some
extent all the time. Just like you and me, here in this exchange wherein you
have to be right and I have to be evil, or I have to be right and you have
to be ... whatever. That you found my being politically incorrect and
actually saying that we have ego's and that they affect us all to be
insulting to you is your problem. It's a reaction you chose concerning a
fact of life - spoken. (You did note that I included myself in that post,
didn't you?)

> > I practice what I preach. I put a photo on Photo Critique a few years
back,
> > told the PDML, and received a few suggestions and some "h's" and
> > "Aaaah's".
> >
> > Sit back, have a consultation with the Reverend Jack Daniel's, and let
folks
> > have and state their opinions about the PUG.
>
> You continue to do the same, and let me state my opinion about bulls*t
posted to the list.

Cool.

Now exactly why is it, really, that has you feeling that you need to beat up
on me personally? What the hell is this *really* about.

Ok. For the sake of harmony, and to let you stay exactly even, why don't you
put up one more caustic accusation. Make it good. I'll not reply.
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Re: PUG posts

[Robert Harris]

William Wooten wrote:
> 
> Here's an idea.
> 
> limit posts to PROFESSIONALS that only use Pentax bodies and
> Pentax lenses ...
> 
> the photos must also be take while standing
> on one foot while rubbing their belly & patting their head
> and sipping single malt scotch

Can we make an exception and allow beer drinkers to participate if they
promise to use a Pentax spot meter? Seems only fair to be a little
flexible.

Bob
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RE: The PUG Guy yips a second time

[Kevin Thornsberry]

Was it your intention to omit Pentax P&S from your list?  I carry a Pentax 90WR in my 
briefcase as it was recommended on this list.

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Re: (again) wedding and film

[Bruce Dayton]

I have shot Supra 800 and Portra 800 at the same basketball event.  I found
that the Supra seemed less grainy and a little more saturated.  After that,
I have stuck with the Supra 800 and have been quite happy with it.

I just shot a wedding with Portra 160NC and a few rolls of Supra 800.  In
the 4 X 6 proofs, I didn't notice a grain difference between the two.  I'm
sure it's there, but it doesn't jump at you.

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA

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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: (again) wedding and film


> At 09:55 PM 8/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> >  ... has anyone shot the Portra 800 yet, and if so, how did it do? We've
> >used the 160 before with very good success.
>
>
> Too grainy for my taste, even in the 645. I didn't think it was quite an
> 800 either.
>
> tv
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Re: Where in Illinois

[Jody]

Scary. It almost looks like he was posessed by demons
sometime between February and August. His record up
until now has been spotless. Or perhaps he is not who
he seems. I guess somehow it would be possible to
find/crack someone else's password. Although the same
ID's turn up again and again in his feedback. Maybe he
just has a lot of equally scummy friends. I can't see
what the items were that they were bidding on.

The only thing that may make me wary from now on, is
that all his info looks like it has been poached from
an official website somewhere. Perhaps it is better to
go for items with fuzzy, overexposed photos, because
at least you know they have actually had the item
there to take a photo of at some stage.

He actually had the audacity to leave feedback for the
people he ripped off, thanking them for their prompt
payment.

Jody.
 
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Re: Where in Illinois

[Jody]

Scary. It almost looks like he was posessed by demons
sometime between February and August. His record up
until now has been spotless. Or perhaps he is not who
he seems. I guess somehow it would be possible to
find/crack someone else's password. Although the same
ID's turn up again and again in his feedback. Maybe he
just has a lot of equally scummy friends. I can't see
what the items were that they were bidding on.

The only thing that may make me wary from now on, is
that all his info looks like it has been poached from
an official website somewhere. Perhaps it is better to
go for items with fuzzy, overexposed photos, because
at least you know they have actually had the item
there to take a photo of at some stage.

He actually had the audacity to leave feedback for the
people he ripped off, thanking them for their prompt
payment.

Jody.
 
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> This was probably it:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1264929165
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

[Ann Sanfedele]

At this point i imagine only you and I and Jody are reading
this :)
I'm happy indeed Paul -- just need a few more places to roll
out my 
bedding on my way to and from the Grand Canyon, and get the
house all
spiffed up for my friends who will be here while I'm gone.

annsan


PAUL STENQUIST wrote:
> 
> You forgot who? Jody, I'm crushed.
> But my point was that I believe a photograph should make something more
> moving than it really looks. Sometimes that means more beautiful,
> sometimes more dark and depressing. The photograph shouldn't just be a
> xerox copy of the original; it should provide some kind of visual
> enhancement, achieved through photographic techniques. But that's just
> the way I see photography. It's not sad. (I'm quite happy, really I am.)
> In any case, I don't want to revisit this in detail, but I agree that
> comments in regard to another photographer's sentence should be welcome.
> I enjoyed the discussion, but it has run its course. And I'm not sure
> that Ann has seen less hardship than have I. My life is pretty darn good
> at the moment. And I hope both yours and Anns are as well.
> Paul Stenquist
> 
> Jody wrote:
> >
> > I'm with Annsan. I thought it was a bit sad too, that
> > he (I forget who) has to improve the view of the world
> > through his photos. There is so much beauty in the
> > world anyway, and the thought that maybe he hasn't
> > seen as much of it as other people is a bit sad.
> > Although it sounds a nice idea. I just wish I could
> > create a more perfect life through photography.
> >
> > Finally, of course people should be able to critique
> > another's sentence. It doesn't necessarily mean we
> > disagree. I don't think Annsan did disagree, just that
> > she has probably seen less hardship than him. And I
> > know if it was something that other people did agree
> > with, it would be considered perfectly acceptable for
> > them to say so.
> >
> > Jody.
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Re: Where in Illinois

[Jody]

Scary. It almost looks like he was posessed by demons
sometime between February and August. His record up
until now has been spotless. Or perhaps he is not who
he seems. I guess somehow it would be possible to
find/crack someone else's password. Although the same
ID's turn up again and again in his feedback. Maybe he
just has a lot of equally scummy friends. I can't see
what the items were that they were bidding on.

The only thing that may make me wary from now on, is
that all his info looks like it has been poached from
an official website somewhere. Perhaps it is better to
go for items with fuzzy, overexposed photos, because
at least you know they have actually had the item
there to take a photo of at some stage.

Jody.
 
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[karen_fraser]

Thank you Kevin, I needed that!!!

Karen 

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:35:40 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello, my name is Kevin Thornsberry and I submitted a picture to the
> September PUG with a Sigma lens.
> 
> whew . . .I feel better.
> 
> For October I had planned to submit a picture taken with my ZX-5n and my
> Pentax FA 28-200, but also with a cheap old Soligor 2x converter I needed
> to get the shot. I've since replaced the Soligar 2X with Pentax 1.4x and
2x
> converters. Please advise. Lasse wrote: > Maybe because the submission
> guidelines says that during open months >pictures shot with non Pentax
> equipment are welcome...
> 
> Well, that's what I thought. I wasn't trying to break the PUG rules. The
> fact is, I own two non-Pentax branded lenses (and one is in my "to be
sold"
> category). The other is my Sigma 20/1.8 Ex. Now, I have no problem living
> within the rules. I'm not going to lie about what I use so if you say that

> I can't submit pictures with my Sigman 20 then I'll probably just sit some

> months out since I'm really enjoying using it but for me, when I'm walking

> around with my Pentax/Sigma combo I'm not a Sigma shooter. I'm a Pentax
> shooter. Sigma has produced an accessory that permits me to get more
> enjoyment out of my Pentax equipment. Pentax doesn't really have a lens I
> consider equivalent. Consequently, if you take a vote, I'd vote for
> allowing any pictures with some component being Pentax, generally body or
> lens. However, I reserve some respect for the rebels in this world who
will
> put a Pentax filter (I understand that Pentax SMC filters are of very high

> quality) on the front of ! a Fijayamigushi system they bought on the home
> shopping network for $19.99 just to make a statement. If they do, the PDML

> will deliver the appropriate "Boos" and "Hisses". In the mean time I have
a
> few more confessions to make + I replaced the Pentax neck strap on my
Zx-5n
> with one by Op-Tech. + I once considered buying an Olympus right angle
> finder because I heard they fit some Pentax bodies. + I have numerous
> Pentax lenses purchased from KEH that were later fitted with "no name"
lens
> caps. + I recently posted a message to the PDML which contained some
> remarks in favor of digital photography. + I filter most threads about
> Spotmatics and LXs. + I once admired a Nikon F5 in a store. I looked
really
> big and it was all black. + I occaisionally post messages in rich-text
> format. (Purely by accident, I promise) + I removed a tag from my mattress

> which clearly stated, "Do no remove under penalty of law." + I drink
> directly from the milk jug. + I swim within a hour of eating. + I think
> "Seinfeld" was a dumb show. + I was a little insulted by Bob Blakely's
> remarks. + I used to think Disco was cool.
> 
> Kevin Thornsberry
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Re: The PUG Guy yips a second time

[John Mason]

William writes in the spirit of love and harmony:

>"Submissions must have been made using Pentax
Digital, 
>6x7, 645, K-Mount or M-42 screw mount camera 
>equipment. Third party equipment is welcome if it is 
>Pentax compatible, and either the body or lens is 
>Asahi/Pentax"

>Does this provide sufficient compromise for the
spirit 
>of the PUG, while at the same time indicating a 
>preference for Pentax created images?

Yes.  Thank you.

--John


=
John Edwin Mason
Charlottesville, Virginia
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Re: Manual Pentaxes with mirror lock-up

[Bob Rapp]

I know the So Island very well. It is the people south of Christchurch I
admire. Plus the geography is much more noble once you leave the Canterbury
Plains. The area where the beer of choice is Speights, Yes, this is the true
"mainland". The Island is known as the "North Island" and had to be
restrained by a huge cable to prevent it from drifting away.

Bob

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Manual Pentaxes with mirror lock-up


> Bob Rapp writes:
>
> > I will post the results when known - as Jody will not (sic). Re: the
South
> > Island, the South island starts south of Christchurch and extends down
to
> > Bluff. As I mentioned before, "the South Island was made by the gods,
for
> > the gods". Any visit will reinforce that statement.
>
>  I agree with your statement but I think  you need to come back down here
for
> a geography lesson :)
>
>  Christchurch is actually about halfway down the East coast of the South
> Island.  Picton and Nelson are at the top, with Wellington (actually
slightly
> South of Picton) at the bottom of the North Island.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> - Dave
>
> David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
> http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
>
> "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up,
>  while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield
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Re: new camera (Also NOT!!!)

[Jody]

Oh, there goes one again. Flying past the window with
it's pet pig. You mean the Wizard of Oz is real?

--- "Otis Wright, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> The "other dimension" seems to fit.   Were those
> flying monkeys?
> 
> Otis Wright
> 
> Tom Rittenhouse wrote:
> 
> > Aus. pronounced Oz. Maybe magical tornados do
> travel half way around the world, but I thought that
> > Dorathy's Oz was in another dimension altogether.
> Are there flying monkeys in Australia? 
> > --graywolf
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Bob Blakely]

From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> In a message dated 8/31/01 4:45:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << What is Pentax equipment?
>   It's not about the lens. It's really not even about the camera. It's
about
> the picture. How you took it, the light, the exposure  I would rather
> know why the photographer took the picture than if he used a Pentax 24mm
or a
> Kiron 24mm. It's all about the vision photographers have who use Pentax
> equipment and follow this thread. One part of the camera lens combo needs
to
> be pentax, not both.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Every year in the US there is a rifle match known as the John C. Garand
Match. Only specific US military rifles are allowed. The point is not for
everyone to be on an equal footing as evidenced by the fact that only
"...any "as-issued" U. S. service rifle including the M1 Garand, M1903
Springfield, M1917 Enfield, M1941 Johnson or .30 Cal. M1 Carbine." may be
used. These rifles have *significantly* different capabilities. The shooters
shoot. Scores are kept and a prize is awarded. One might assume that the
competition is about the marksman, his ability to hold tight groups and
score high. It's not. The match is about "...those who served" in our nation
's Armed Services and who carried the Garand rifle in the defense of our
country."

I know that analogy isn't perfect. No analogy is, else it would be the thing
itself. The point is, folks do their best, other folks comment. Some look at
the gallery to enjoy the accomplishments of others, some perhaps to learn
something.

Still, the point of the gallery is not us, or even our photos. The point is
Pentax. That's why it's called The Pentax Users Gallery". It's amazing to me
that folks would think that such a gallery would be about us or our photos.

Your desires are not without merit. If the membership wants a gallery
dedicated to themselves and not dedicated to Pentax (use any mix of
equipment), why don't one of you start a "Pentax Discussion List Members
Photo Gallery"? Get space on a server, and do the work to keep it up
yourself. I'm sure Wheatfield Willie will be glad to share the knowledge
he's gained working on the PUG. I have a few shots out of my Graphic I'd
like to post there.

That's my opinion.

Regards,
Bob...
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Re: One Sentence

[Jody]

Reading that 2 days later, I realise it may have been
misconstrued as my attitude to photography. Actually
it was to meaningless, endless surveys. But having
read  the replies so far, I apologise. I think this
survey would have achieved some of the best replies
ever. I am pretty impressed with the thought most of
you have put into it. Keep it up.

Jody.

--- Jody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Arrggghhh!! Not another one.
> 
> --- Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi.
> > 
> > Since our man Mike appears to be busy elsewhere
> > right now, I thought I'd jump up here and give a
> > Mike-like assignment. All strictly voluntary,
> natch,
> > but the results could be interesting.
> > 
> > It's very simple: Write one sentence. In that
> > sentence, tell us why you photograph. No
> > restrictions on sentence length. It can be simple
> > and declarative. It can be a Faulknerian odyssey.
> It
> > just needs to be a sentence. I'll even get it
> > started:
> > 
> > I have a need to show everyone else what I see.
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The PUG Guy yips a second time

[William Robb]

Well, at least we are talking about the PUG. I should hold off
on these tantrums until the middle of the month, after the new
gallery has started to get stale.
No insults were intended to any of the submitters using non
Pentax equipment for their submissions.
I have always tried top run this gallery with some sort of
consensus with the PDML, so periodically, I like to get peoples
thoughts WRT aspects of the gallery.
Personally, I would like to see the PUG as 100% Pentax cameras
and lenses, but this is not going to happen. I do fear that
under the guidelines of the past while, we will more and more
find the gallery images identified as Canon, Nikon, etc, and
dammit, this is the Pentax gallery.

Having been guilty in the past of some pretty infantile posts, I
am not about to chastise anyone for getting personal on the
issue, but I would ask that we try to stay polite and not insult
each other. This is, after all, just the internet. It is not
real life.

I would like to distil the submission guideline regarding
equipment down to one unequivocal but inclusive sentence. I find
it easiest to arbitrate submission acceptability if the rules
are spelled out clearly in advance.

"Submissions must have been made using Pentax Digital, 6x7, 645,
K-Mount or M-42 screw mount camera equipment. Third party
equipment is welcome if it is Pentax compatible, and either the
body or lens is Asahi/Pentax"

Does this provide sufficient compromise for the spirit of the
PUG, while at the same time indicating a preference for Pentax
created images?
Thanks
William Robb
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Re: What's Your Shooting Style

[John Mason]

Just got back from a concert where I got to watch Bill
Allard at work.  Among his many accomplishments...



or



...he's the father of Terri Allard, a seriously good
folk/rock/alt-country singer with a gorgeous warm, 
smoky voice...



Terri played an outdoor concert here in C-ville
(hometown of both Allards) this evening (same venue as
my July and September PUG submissions), and her father
was there to sing back-up on several tunes.

He took his camera (Leica M6) with him when he went on
stage.  And let me say this about his shooting style
(one of them, at least):  He's very, very smooth and
very, very quick.

When he wasn't singing, he was shooting.  Not all the
time.  Selectively.  But so unobtrusively that I was
hardly aware at first what he was doing.  Camera up,
down.  Terri.  Guitar.  Harmonica.  Drums.  That
quick.

He wasn't zone focusing--I could just see the movement
of his thumb and forefinger as he focussed.  He was
simply very fast, very economical of movement.  I
tried to shoot him shooting Terri (if I got the shot,
look for it in an upcoming PUG).  It wasn't easy.

He also changed a roll of film--on stage, during a
song--and I bet most people in the audience didn't
catch it.  I barely did.  He was that smooth.  And
this was a Leica, mind you, not a P&S that loads
itself.

Amazing to watch.  I was sometimes at the foot of the
stage, not more than 25 feet away.  You got a sense of
how it's possible for him to get the images he does. 
Without being in any way surreptitious, he draws no
attention to what he's doing.  I'll bet that very
often people probably don't register the camera.  If
they do, they forget about it.

I'm not particularly into Zen, but there's no other
way to put it, Allard and his camera are one.

As I was saying, that's one of his styles.  When he
wasn't on stage, he worked much more slowly.  Camera
spent a good deal of time at his eye, but he wasn't
shooting a lot.  Waiting for the shot he wanted, I
suppose.

First time I've been in the presence of a true master,
when he was working, not a lecture/slide show/seminar/
demonstration/gallery opening.  Wonderful to see.

Cheers, John


Oh?  My style?  This evening, I knew the venue well,
so no need to scout camera angles.  First roll of
film, make sure I've documented the event--all the
performers, lots of the headliner, the crowd. 
Following rolls, work, really work, the subjects. 
Look.  Shoot.  Look again.  Ten minutes with the bass
player, fifteen with the singer, eight and a third
with the pedal steel, ten minutes with group shots. 
Move.  Look.  Do it again.


=
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RE: What is Pentax equipment?

[David A. Mann]

Paul M. Provencher writes:

> Pentax only (body and lens must both come from Asahi Optical Company)
> 
> That's the point isn't it?  "P"entax "U"sers "G"allery (PUG)

 An ultra-literal interpretation would go something like:
"I'm a Pentax user therefore I can submit anything I took to PUG, regardless of 
the gear I used for that shot".

:)

Cheers,


- Dave

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http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/

"Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up,
 while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield
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Re: MZ-S Blah, blah, blah. Apology follows.

[Pentxuser]

In a message dated 8/31/01 8:43:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-pentax- 
pentxuser writes: Jody you seem to apologize to the list on a regular basis 
for comments you make to the list. Maybe you should think before you type or 
at least get enough sleep before you log onto the site.


<< MZ-S Blah, blah, blah. Apology follows.
 
 Of course 
 I am quite happy for you to talk about high-heels and
 the intricacies of the English language or public
 health issues like what McD's puts in their burgers
 
 Sorry, it was around 2am and I was tired and grumpy.
 The A&E department wouldn't let me go to bed. I had
 had two =hr slots of sleep, before I got woken up
 again and called back to work. And Wednesday night had
 been the same. I did warn you all what happens when I
 get sleep-deprived 
 Also I was getting a wee bit annoyed with all these
 long emails from Pel with lots and lots of propaganda
 about the MZ-S. Is he a salesman in real life? He
 seems to have the gift of the gab (not meaning to
 offend here).
 
 Jody. >>
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Lasse Karlsson]

Bob B. wrote:
> Look. No one is being pissy here until you jumped in with this. No one is
> jumping on anyone else for previous submissions. No on is dumping on anyone
> who has followed the rules.

Obviously you do not know what you have been saying.
According to the submission guidelines for open months, submissions shot with non 
Pentax equipment were clearly welcome. Five participants in the September gallery 
submitted pictures shot with non Pentax equipment.

This is what you said:
"If yer going to be submitting to the gallery, why on earth would ya submit photo's 
taken with other brand equipment?
Oh. yeah. I forgot. Ego. Look, there's lots o' places where you can submit yer
photos that are not brand related. Photo Critique is one. Satisfy your personal
egos there. Give us a link and we'll all go "h" and "Aaaah". "
 
[snip] 
> Now, there is no reason for anyone here to apologize for stating their
> opinions concerning their desires for the composition of the PUG. You
> believe you (or someone else ) were insulted. Why? Your ego?

No, because you singled out the non Pentax shooting participants of the gallery and 
sarcastically implied that they somehow were showing off or satisfying their egos, as 
opposed to the Pentax shooters.
That's what I found insulting.

> I practice what I preach. I put a photo on Photo Critique a few years back,
> told the PDML, and received a few suggestions and some "h's" and
> "Aaaah's".
> 
> Sit back, have a consultation with the Reverend Jack Daniel's, and let folks
> have and state their opinions about the PUG.

You continue to do the same, and let me state my opinion about bulls*t posted to the 
list.

Lasse


> Regards,
> Bob...
> 
> From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> > Bob B. wrote:
> > > I agree with you, Will. If yer going to be submitting to the gallery,
> why on
> > > earth would ya submit photo's taken with other brand equipment?
> >
> > Maybe because the submission guidelines says that during open months
> pictures shot with non Pentax equipment are welcome...
> >
> > >Oh. yeah. I
> > > forgot. Ego. Look, there's lots o' places where you can submit yer
> photos
> > > that are not brand related. Photo Critique is one. Satisfy your personal
> > > egos there. Give us a link and we'll all go "h" and "Aaaah". Part of
> the
> > > idea of the gallery is personal demonstrations and expressions of why we
> > > like (and chose) Pentax!
> >
> > You are being silly and insulting.
> > In the September gallery there are five submitters, who, in good faith,
> have submitted pictures shot with non Pentax equipment, exactly in
> accordance with guidlines provided by ourselves (essentially).
> > I think you (and for that matter Bill R. too, for referring to their
> submissions as "creeping horseshit") owe them all an apology.
> > They are not in the least deserving to be reproached by you or anyone
> else.
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Re: September Gallery

[RK]

John Coyle wrote:

> Anthurium, by RK
> Shallow but perfectly judged depth of field really makes the flower stand out
> from the background.  Excellent quality for web purposes, and I would be
> interested to know how it stacks up printed at 10x8 or bigger.  A good shot
> technically.

Thanks for taking the time to comment.
10x8 at this resolution setting doesn't work out at all- I'd say that size printout
would need the full 3.1 megapixel capability; I was just trying out this camera and
had (stupidly) set it on it's lowest resolution.

I tried a printout at 5x7 and it works just fine- any higher and the image starts
to break up.

This is one shot I dearly wish I'd taken on film!

RK
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Re: MZ-S Blah, blah, blah. Apology follows.

[Otis Wright, Jr.]

Amen.

Otis

Lasse Karlsson wrote:

> Jody wrote:
> > Also I was getting a wee bit annoyed with all these
> > long emails from Pel with lots and lots of propaganda
> > about the MZ-S. Is he a salesman in real life? He
> > seems to have the gift of the gab (not meaning to
> > offend here).
>
> Well, for one using a lot of list space for general OT chit-chat, you really are 
>sticking your neck out, aren't you?
> Whether you get annoyed or not by his perfectly on topic messages, is frankly 
>completely beside the point, and very few list members are interested to know about 
>it.
> His name is Pel, or Paal, in case your reader doesn't get the letters right.
> As far as I know he's been a member of this list from around the very beginning in 
>1995, I believe.
> I regard him as a very valuable member of this list. Not that I always follow all 
>his messages in all threads, some of which may seem to stretch out ad infinitum, but 
>his reports on use of Pentax equipment is very well formulated. He has also to a 
>great extent initiated and broadened the perspectives regarding Pentax design and 
>marketing questions, maybe more than any other list member. This has been a valuable 
>feature of the list, no matter if it doesn't attract interest from everybody.
> He is persistent, and doesn't mind arguing about issues where he has an opinion. To 
>some people he seems at times to come across as too argumentative, provocative, or 
>maybe even harsh (and I can see why) but personally I think he's reasoning very well.
> Now, you Jody, are obviously not aware of some of the very heated debates regarding 
>on topic and off topic messages that have taken place on the list from time to time. 
>You may also have been slightly misled by a fairly "liberal" practice regarding 
>off-topic messages lately, so I don't want to be unfair and too hard on you, other 
>than informing you that there are many members who think that the percentage of 
>off-topic messages are way to high. There is a bit of dynamite hidden in there, if 
>you see what I mean.
> That's why you run a great risk in questioning or expressing personal 
>dissatisfaction with anybody's on topic messages.
> Now, you think about this, and do not take it all too personal. I just want to help 
>out in avoiding that this will become too big an issue. It would only lead to another 
>great flame war, believe me.
>
> With a friendly intention,
> Lasse
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Pentxuser]

In a message dated 8/31/01 4:45:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< What is Pentax equipment?
  It's not about the lens. It's really not even about the camera. It's about 
the picture. How you took it, the light, the exposure  I would rather 
know why the photographer took the picture than if he used a Pentax 24mm or a 
Kiron 24mm. It's all about the vision photographers have who use Pentax 
equipment and follow this thread. One part of the camera lens combo needs to 
be pentax, not both. 
Vic  
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Re: Browser help, and windoze stuff

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: "tom" <
Subject: RE: Browser help, and windoze stuff


> I'm running Windows 2000, so this may not work for you if
you're using 98...
>
> - settings->control panel
>
> Click on folder options, then file types, then make the switch
for .htm and
> .html files.

Nope, that would have been too easy
Thanks though
Bill
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Re: Browser help, and windoze stuff

[William Robb]

- Original Message -
From: "John Coyle"
Subject: RE: Browser help, and windoze stuff


> On Saturday, September 01, 2001 4:32 AM, William Robb
> [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> >  << File: ATT6.txt; charset = Windows-1252 >>
>
> Hi Bill:
> After checking, I think the only way is to re-install Netscape
and answer yes
> when it asks if this is to be the default browser.  Microsoft
of course don't
> provide any way in Explorer for you to specify another browser
as the default,
> nor can I find it in Netscape itself (v4.7).
> HTH

I was afraid of that.
Thanks
Bill
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Pentxuser]

Joe: You're kidding right? 


I'm sure the
impostors will be easily found out given the glaringly obvious differences
between photographs taken using Pentax gear versus other inferior
equipment

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Re: Subject: Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[Pentxuser]

In a message dated 8/31/01 2:24:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Subject: Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
  That's crazy. We enjoy Pentax cameras and lenses but give me a break. Third 
party lens makers are an important part of most photographer's arsenals. I 
for one own two Tokina ATX lenses that I consider better than anything Pentax 
makes in that size (Tokina 100-300F4 ATX and 90F2.5 macro). I don't write 
down what lens I use to take a picture, it's not that important to me. i use 
a Pentax camera and the best lens I can to get the picture. it's the picture 
that counts not the lens used to take it... 
I can undertstand that all pics be taken with a pentax camera but you won't 
convince me on the lenses
vic
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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[RK]

Right, here's my 2 cents worth:
My favourite kind of shots are macros- come to think of it, 90% of the photos I
take are macros.

I use Pentax bodies with a Tamron 90/2.8 macro lens (bought a couple of years
earlier when life was a lot harder and the Pentax 100/2.8 was something I could
only dream about)

I think it's a little unfair that I should be left out of the gallery because
circumstances forced me to go third party; on the other hand, I can see that
putting up the gallery month after month is an enormous task and the people who
do this have every right to stipulate what can go in.

My present PUG entry is taken with a Kodak P&S digital. I hope my entry didn't
have anything to do with sparking this off as I had checked the submission
guidelines very carefully before submitting.
RK
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RE: What is Pentax equipment?

[Paul M. Provencher]

FWIW since I have not had time to contribute to PUG in recent months...

Pentax only (body and lens must both come from Asahi Optical Company)

That's the point isn't it?  "P"entax "U"sers "G"allery (PUG)

ppro

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Robb
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:26 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: What is Pentax equipment?
> 
> 
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:17 PM
> Subject: What is Pentax equipment? (Was: More Yipping..."
> 
> 
> 
> > What is "Pentax equipment"?
> > It has to say "Pentax" on both camera and lenses?
> > No Tokinas, Tamrons or Sigmas etc. lenses on Pentax bodies?
> > No Pentax lenses on Ricoh or Chinon cameras?
> 
> Well Lasse, it is the PENTAX users gallery after all. Not being
> a hard nosed person myself, I would say that as long as the
> camera body and the lens used is Pentax brand, then the
> submission will be published.
> I will certainly consider objections to this criteria. For
> example, it may be desirable to allow non Pentax brand lenses in
> the open galleries, as long as the body is Pentax.
> This really is mostly a non issue, but if you look at this
> months gallery, you will note that two of the submissions are
> from Canon and Nikon users respectively. While it is nice that
> they want to be seen in our forum, I want to discourage what I
> see as creeping horseshit from gaining a foothold in the PUG.
> As always, the gallery maintainer is the final arbiter of what
> will or will not be published in the PUG, but I will be guided
> by the desires of the people for whom the gallery is published
> for, which is the members of the PDML.
> 
> I invite discussion on this subject.
> 
> William Robb
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Re: MZ-S Blah, blah, blah. Apology follows.

[Lasse Karlsson]

Jody wrote:
> Also I was getting a wee bit annoyed with all these
> long emails from Pel with lots and lots of propaganda
> about the MZ-S. Is he a salesman in real life? He
> seems to have the gift of the gab (not meaning to
> offend here).

Well, for one using a lot of list space for general OT chit-chat, you really are 
sticking your neck out, aren't you?
Whether you get annoyed or not by his perfectly on topic messages, is frankly 
completely beside the point, and very few list members are interested to know about it.
His name is Pel, or Paal, in case your reader doesn't get the letters right.
As far as I know he's been a member of this list from around the very beginning in 
1995, I believe.
I regard him as a very valuable member of this list. Not that I always follow all his 
messages in all threads, some of which may seem to stretch out ad infinitum, but his 
reports on use of Pentax equipment is very well formulated. He has also to a great 
extent initiated and broadened the perspectives regarding Pentax design and marketing 
questions, maybe more than any other list member. This has been a valuable feature of 
the list, no matter if it doesn't attract interest from everybody.
He is persistent, and doesn't mind arguing about issues where he has an opinion. To 
some people he seems at times to come across as too argumentative, provocative, or 
maybe even harsh (and I can see why) but personally I think he's reasoning very well. 
Now, you Jody, are obviously not aware of some of the very heated debates regarding on 
topic and off topic messages that have taken place on the list from time to time. You 
may also have been slightly misled by a fairly "liberal" practice regarding off-topic 
messages lately, so I don't want to be unfair and too hard on you, other than 
informing you that there are many members who think that the percentage of off-topic 
messages are way to high. There is a bit of dynamite hidden in there, if you see what 
I mean.
That's why you run a great risk in questioning or expressing personal dissatisfaction 
with anybody's on topic messages.
Now, you think about this, and do not take it all too personal. I just want to help 
out in avoiding that this will become too big an issue. It would only lead to another 
great flame war, believe me.

With a friendly intention,
Lasse
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Re: Re: MZ-S Blah, blah, blah.

[Pentxuser]

In a message dated 8/31/01 2:24:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Re: MZ-S Blah, blah, blah. 
The MZ-S is arguably the most important camera to come out of Pentax in the 
last 10 years or so. I think this group can afford to spend some time on it. 
I imagine (and expect) it will dominate the list for the next year at least. 
Jody, learn to live with it. It's technology. In fact, heaven forbid, you may 
learn a thing or two. 
Vic  
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Re: Photographing Sequined Pumps

[Jody]

I'm not that kind of girl 

--- Ken Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You might want to consider a cowboy wedding if you
> want to avoid all 
> those software conflicts.  You knowtill dawn do
> us part.
> 
> On Wednesday 29 August 2001 20:11, Jody wrote:
> > I have to ask? How is it that Chris and Doug know
> so
> > much about photographing Size 10 sparkly pumps?
> Most
> > women wouldn't even be seen dead in them. I don't
> even
> > own a pair of high heels. I prefer Reeboks or my
> Doc
> > Marten's shoes anyday. I don't even know if I will
> > wear them at my wedding, which is a long way off,
> I
> > haven't even found the groom. Also I am somewhat
> > concerned with possible compatibility problems
> with
> > Husband V1.1. Boyfriend V2.2 decided not so long
> ago
> > to make me Single Woman V2.1.  I think he had
> software
> > conflicts with ever in his lifetime becoming
> Fianci
> > V1.1. Not that there was any pressure until he at
> > least became Boyfriend V1.4.  Oh well, Life's a
> Bitch
> > and then you die.
> >
> > Jody.
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Re: PUG posts

[William Wooten]

Here's an idea.

limit posts to PROFESSIONALS that only use Pentax bodies and 
Pentax lenses ... 

the photos must also be take while standing
on one foot while rubbing their belly & patting their head
and sipping single malt scotch

just thought I'd help

Scoot
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

[Jody]

Sorry to be a touch holier than thou, but actually
that is "sashimi" they have been enjoying for
thousands of years. Sushi is the stuff rolled in rice
and seaweed. Sashimi is the raw fish. It is a very
common mistake. But I think we should stop now, I am
getting major sushi (and sashimi) cravings and you
can't buy it easily here in little old Gisborne. I can
make it (sort of) but can't really be bothered just
now.

Jody.

--- PAUL STENQUIST <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bears and certain waterfowl have been eating sushi
> for thousands of
> years. 
> Paul
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Re: One Sentence - Yeah but is it art?

[Jody]

I'm with Annsan. I thought it was a bit sad too, that
he (I forget who) has to improve the view of the world
through his photos. There is so much beauty in the
world anyway, and the thought that maybe he hasn't
seen as much of it as other people is a bit sad.
Although it sounds a nice idea. I just wish I could
create a more perfect life through photography.

Finally, of course people should be able to critique
another's sentence. It doesn't necessarily mean we
disagree. I don't think Annsan did disagree, just that
she has probably seen less hardship than him. And I
know if it was something that other people did agree
with, it would be considered perfectly acceptable for
them to say so.

Jody. 
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[JeffW.]

I have a silly question.

If the guidelines, in place for at least a couple of years, stated that
Themed submissions required Pentax lens or body and Open could be any K or
M42, why is there even a problem? A submission that didn't meet the existing
guidelines should have been politely refused and everyone could get on with
their lives. No offence to anyone (since I'm not sure who is doing the
gallery) but it sounds like a screw-up at the Gallery end and doesn't
require a major arguement about what is/isn't Pentax equipment.

Just so people know, I have 2 Pentax bodies, 2 other K-mount bodies, 6 M42
bodies (no Pentax) and three medium format bodies. I have lenses that are
Pentax, Vivitar and many other brands. I can meet whatever guidelines are
set if I choose to submit anything again. But why change the rules?

JeffW.
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[PAUL STENQUIST]

Again, I would opt to allow third party lenses on Pentax bodies or
Pentax lenses on other bodies. I have six Pentax bodies and twenty
Pentax lenses, but one of my best lenses is a Vivitar Series 1 90/2.5.
I'm a Pentax shooter through and through, but I'd like to be able to use
this lens for PUG submissions. (As I have in the past.) I'll go with
whatever the final decision mandates, but I'd like to see PUG keep the
door open for third party lenses and Pentax lenses with other bodies.
Paul Stenquist

William Robb wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:17 PM
> Subject: What is Pentax equipment? (Was: More Yipping..."
> 
> > What is "Pentax equipment"?
> > It has to say "Pentax" on both camera and lenses?
> > No Tokinas, Tamrons or Sigmas etc. lenses on Pentax bodies?
> > No Pentax lenses on Ricoh or Chinon cameras?
> 
> Well Lasse, it is the PENTAX users gallery after all. Not being
> a hard nosed person myself, I would say that as long as the
> camera body and the lens used is Pentax brand, then the
> submission will be published.
> I will certainly consider objections to this criteria. For
> example, it may be desirable to allow non Pentax brand lenses in
> the open galleries, as long as the body is Pentax.
> This really is mostly a non issue, but if you look at this
> months gallery, you will note that two of the submissions are
> from Canon and Nikon users respectively. While it is nice that
> they want to be seen in our forum, I want to discourage what I
> see as creeping horseshit from gaining a foothold in the PUG.
> As always, the gallery maintainer is the final arbiter of what
> will or will not be published in the PUG, but I will be guided
> by the desires of the people for whom the gallery is published
> for, which is the members of the PDML.
> 
> I invite discussion on this subject.
> 
> William Robb
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Re: (again) wedding and film

[tom]

At 09:55 PM 8/31/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>  ... has anyone shot the Portra 800 yet, and if so, how did it do? We've
>used the 160 before with very good success.


Too grainy for my taste, even in the 645. I didn't think it was quite an 
800 either.

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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[PAUL STENQUIST]

In the past, third party lenses have always been okay. Ditto Pentax
lenses on other bodies. I don't see any reason to be more exclusionary
than we have been. 
Paul Stenquist

Creature's Comfort wrote:
> 
> Just so we're all clear about this: the PUG submission must be made
> with a Pentax brand camera and a Pentax brand lens - no third party
> zooms, no Ricoh bodies with Pentax lenses, etc.  Pentax bodies and
> Pentax lenses only.  Correct?
> 
> William Robb wrote:
> 
> > changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be
> > publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses.
> 
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Paul Jones]

Tryb walking into a shop in Australia and purchasing a Pentax Body with a
Pentax lense. 95%+ pentax slr Bodies come with Sigma lenses.


- Original Message -
From: "Bruce Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: What is Pentax equipment?


> I personally would look toward Pentax bodies with any lens.  It is very
> common practice for stores to sell a kit that contains a third party lens.
> Or in the case where a third party lens is chosen due to cost or
> availability.  I think that if you buy the Pentax body, you are pretty
much
> a Pentax user.
>
> Bruce Dayton
> Sacramento, CA
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: What is Pentax equipment?
>
>
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:17 PM
> > Subject: What is Pentax equipment? (Was: More Yipping..."
> >
> >
> >
> > > What is "Pentax equipment"?
> > > It has to say "Pentax" on both camera and lenses?
> > > No Tokinas, Tamrons or Sigmas etc. lenses on Pentax bodies?
> > > No Pentax lenses on Ricoh or Chinon cameras?
> >
> > Well Lasse, it is the PENTAX users gallery after all. Not being
> > a hard nosed person myself, I would say that as long as the
> > camera body and the lens used is Pentax brand, then the
> > submission will be published.
> > I will certainly consider objections to this criteria. For
> > example, it may be desirable to allow non Pentax brand lenses in
> > the open galleries, as long as the body is Pentax.
> > This really is mostly a non issue, but if you look at this
> > months gallery, you will note that two of the submissions are
> > from Canon and Nikon users respectively. While it is nice that
> > they want to be seen in our forum, I want to discourage what I
> > see as creeping horseshit from gaining a foothold in the PUG.
> > As always, the gallery maintainer is the final arbiter of what
> > will or will not be published in the PUG, but I will be guided
> > by the desires of the people for whom the gallery is published
> > for, which is the members of the PDML.
> >
> > I invite discussion on this subject.
> >
> > William Robb
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Re: MZ-S Blah, blah, blah. Apology follows.

[Jody]

Of course 
I am quite happy for you to talk about high-heels and
the intricacies of the English language or public
health issues like what McD's puts in their burgers

Sorry, it was around 2am and I was tired and grumpy.
The A&E department wouldn't let me go to bed. I had
had two =hr slots of sleep, before I got woken up
again and called back to work. And Wednesday night had
been the same. I did warn you all what happens when I
get sleep-deprived 
Also I was getting a wee bit annoyed with all these
long emails from Pel with lots and lots of propaganda
about the MZ-S. Is he a salesman in real life? He
seems to have the gift of the gab (not meaning to
offend here).

Jody.

--- Doug Brewer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please let us know what we can talk about, Jody. 
> Should we submit a list of possible topics for
> discussion to you?
> 
> Doug

> At 7:45 AM -07008/31/01, Jody  wrote, or at least
> typed:
> >I forget who said this is getting tedious, but he
> is
> >right. I am sorry, but I just don't care about this
> >stuff. I think I will filter it out from now on.
> >
> >I am never going to buy an MZ-S. You will never
> >convince me otherwise. Yes, maybe you managed to
> >convince Pentaxclover, but not me. I just don't
> want
> >one. Don't ask why, that's just the way it is.
> Please
> >have some consideration and try not to clog my (and
> >others) inbox(es) too much.
> >
> >Enough is enough.
> >
> >Jody.
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Re: PUG: Cassel- and Thornsberry, Stenquist.

[PAUL STENQUIST]

Lasse Karlsson wrote:
> 
>
> "Amy " by  Paul Stenquist, USA

Lots of nice things

and...
> (Just one thing, more of a reflection from my own work with facial/head portraits. I 
>sometimes find it very delicate in trying to decide on which crop to decide on. 
>Sometimes I crop rather tightly, as you have done here, sometimes - opposite to my 
>expectations - I find that adding slightly more space around the face actually makes 
>the impact stronger. I am not questioning this picture in this regard, but would be 
>interested to hear if you ever happen to debate along similar lines.)


Hi Lasse,
Thanks for the comments. I forwarded them to Amy, and I'm sure she'll be
very pleased. This scan is the full negative, and I didn't feel any
compulsion to crop it tighter. I think I wanted the hair to kind of
flair out to the ends of the frame. I also wanted to fill a lot of the
frame with her face to avoid flare. There was a lot of hot light behind
her. 
Best,
Paul Stenquist
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Re: (again) wedding and film

[Treena Harp]

Two weeks ago we went to Florida and shot our nephew's wedding using Portra
160NC in 120 and 35 mm, Portra 800 in 35 mm for shots where flash wasn't
allowed and T-Max 100 in 120. We pick up the negs and proofs in a couple of
days ... has anyone shot the Portra 800 yet, and if so, how did it do? We've
used the 160 before with very good success.

- Original Message -
From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: (again) wedding and film


> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Subject: (again) wedding and film
>
>
> > Hi!
> > I just had a discussion with pro(?). :) He told me that Fuji
> NPH is
> > hard-to-use film for wedding, especially for the beginner. I
> was and I am
> > going to use this film mainly (+some bw, most believable
> TMax), and I'd
> > like to get your opinion - has anyone of you found Fuji NPH to
> be a
> > hard-to-use film? That guy claimed smth about narrow latitude,
> low
> > contrast, bigger grain if compared to Fuji Press 400, oh,
> don't remember
> > other stuff :) So, the question is - is it true or not?
>
> NPH is designed for a different market from the press film. As
> far as latitude goes, print film is pretty much print film. They
> all have similar latitude (7 stops, more or less). NPH has lower
> gamma (contrast) for a reason. Film designed for the wedding
> market needs to be able to capture detail in both a white
> wedding dress and a black tuxedo at the same time. This is no
> small task. Lower gamma films also give smoother flesh tones,
> which is a decided benefit when you are trying to make a bride
> look her best.
> I can't comment on side by side grain comparisons, as I have
> never compared the two films. NPH has adequately fine grain to
> make acceptable (to me) 8x10 prints from 35mm. This makes it no
> better or worse than any other film I have used recently in this
> regard.
> I would recommend over exposing the film somewhat, perhaps 2/3
> of a stop from the rated speed, but I do this with all negative
> films.
> William Robb
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RE: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[Kevin Thornsberry]

I have had situations where I submitted an image while I was temporarily unsubscribed 
due to list volume conflicting with my e-mail quota.

-Original Message-
From:   Tom Rittenhouse [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Friday, August 31, 2001 6:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

 
I would be up for limiting the PUG submissions to current PDML subscribers. That you 
could automate.
Just compare the submission to the mailing list. I the submitter is not there, just 
send a rejection
form back to them with a rejection.

This list is in my opinion no longer supported by Pentax, so it should be run for the 
benefit of the
subscribers. Since it is no longer a Pentax USA thing I see no real reason to limit it 
exclusively
to Pentax gear, but I do see a real reason to limit it to list members.

--graywolf (Tom)


William Robb wrote:
> 
> I have to get away from this computer..
> 
> I have had another look at the PUG Gallery submission
> guidelines, and after conferring with past maintainers have
> changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be
> publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses.
> 
> Please take a few moments to refamiliarize yourselves with the
> submission guidelines at:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
> and
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/submit.html
> 
> Thank you
> William Robb
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Rofini]

Using Pentax only equipment is restrictive but maybe that's how
it should be. It's a Pentax Gallery. I very much look forward to
and enjoy viewing the PUG, and will continue to enjoy regardless
of equipment criteria. My preference, and that's all it is,
would be a gallery using only Pentax/Asahi glass. I would even
discriminate between Pentax designed and "rebadged" lenses. But
any light tight box for the lenses would be fine.

On the other hand I must admit I have enjoyed viewing many
images produced with second and third party lenses on the Pentax
and Related Users Gallery :)

Mark Rofini
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RE: What is Pentax equipment?

[Kevin Thornsberry]

Hello, my name is Kevin Thornsberry and I submitted a picture to the September PUG 
with a Sigma lens.

whew . . .I feel better.

For October I had planned to submit a picture taken with my ZX-5n and my Pentax FA 
28-200, but also with a cheap old Soligor 2x converter I needed to get the shot.  I've 
since replaced the Soligar 2X with Pentax 1.4x and 2x converters.  Please advise.

Lasse wrote:
> Maybe because the submission guidelines says that during open months
>pictures shot with non Pentax equipment are welcome...

Well, that's what I thought.  I wasn't trying to break the PUG rules.  The fact is, I 
own two non-Pentax branded lenses (and one is in my "to be sold" category).  The other 
is my Sigma 20/1.8 Ex.  Now, I have no problem living within the rules.  I'm not going 
to lie about what I use so if you say that I can't submit pictures with my Sigman 20 
then I'll  probably just sit some months out since I'm really enjoying using it but 
for me, when I'm walking around with my Pentax/Sigma combo I'm not a Sigma shooter.  
I'm a Pentax shooter.  Sigma has produced an accessory that permits me to get more 
enjoyment out of my Pentax equipment.  Pentax doesn't really have a lens I consider 
equivalent.  Consequently, if you take a vote, I'd vote for allowing any pictures with 
some component being Pentax, generally body or lens. However, I reserve some respect 
for the rebels in this world who will put a Pentax filter (I understand that Pentax 
SMC filters are of very high quality) on the front of !
a Fijayamigushi system they bought on the home shopping network for $19.99 just to 
make a statement.  If they do, the PDML will deliver the appropriate "Boos" and 
"Hisses".  In the mean time I have a few more confessions to make

+  I replaced the Pentax neck strap on my Zx-5n with one by Op-Tech.

+  I once considered buying an Olympus right angle finder because I heard they fit 
+some Pentax bodies.

+  I have numerous Pentax lenses purchased from KEH that were later fitted with "no 
+name" lens caps.

+  I recently posted a message to the PDML which contained some remarks in favor of 
+digital photography.

+  I filter most threads about Spotmatics and LXs.

+  I once admired a Nikon F5 in a store.  I looked really big and it was all black.

+  I occaisionally post messages in rich-text format.  (Purely by accident, I promise)

+  I removed a tag from my mattress which clearly stated, "Do no remove under penalty 
+of law."

+  I drink directly from the milk jug.

+  I swim within a hour of eating.

+  I think "Seinfeld" was a dumb show.

+  I was a little insulted by Bob Blakely's remarks.

+  I used to think Disco was cool.

Kevin Thornsberry
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Re: September Gallery

[PAUL STENQUIST]

John Coyle wrote:
> 
>
> Amy by Paul Stenquist
> A nearly perfect portrait, made to look like a candid shot, just a little heavy
> in the area round the eyes on my monitor.  The lighting really brings out a
> warm and sunny feeling.  Some might criticise the washed out highlights of the
> near shoulder, but I think it adds to the atmosphere of the shot.

Thanks John. I wanted some hard highlights to spread a bit of glow from
the Pro Mist filter. Perhaps a bit heavy in some areas as you noted. I'm
still experimenting with this technique. I'm going to shoot the same
woman again next week and try some variations. Thanks for the comments.
Paul
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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[John Mustarde]

On Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:27:49 -0600, you wrote:

>I think we are going to discuss this further.
>What do you think we should do here??
>William Robb


I *don't* think we should limit the Pentax Users
Gallery to "photographs taken using only Pentax. brand
lenses, cameras, and accessories." 

Instead, I suggest a guideline of "A gallery for users
of Pentax brand and Pentax-compatible photo gear."

Don't adopt a narrow definition of "Pentax User."  We'd
lose one of the best parts of being a Pentax user,
which is the extensive selection of lenses and bodies
spanning many years, many manufacturers, and even many
formats.

So PUGsters should leave out the Nikon and Canon and
Minolta and Holga and RB67 shots, but feel free to
submit photos taken with Pentax-compatible third-party
lenses, bodies, flash, etc. - which I suppose now
includes Leica since the Pentax Limited lenses are sold
in Leica mount.

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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[Ken Archer]

I would say as long as the picture is taken with a Pentax camera or 
Pentax lens or both, it should qualify.

On Friday 31 August 2001 16:27, William Robb wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Creature's Comfort"
> Subject: Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy
>
> > Just so we're all clear about this: the PUG submission must be
>
> made
>
> > with a Pentax brand camera and a Pentax brand lens - no third
>
> party
>
> > zooms, no Ricoh bodies with Pentax lenses, etc.  Pentax bodies
>
> and
>
> > Pentax lenses only.  Correct?
>
> I think we are going to discuss this further.
> What do you think we should do here??
> William Robb
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Re: PUG:Stenquist.

[PAUL STENQUIST]

Thanks Steve. I had an inspirational subject :-)
Paul

Steve Larson wrote:
> 
> Nice shot Paul! It is one of the best portraiture I`ve seen, you should
> be very proud.
> Steve Larson
> Redondo Beach, California
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Re: my PUG Entry (Gary L. Murphy)

[Wendy Beard]

At 19:40 31-8-2001 -0400, you wrote:
>From: "Gary L. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: My PUG Entry
>
>Ditto for me!
>
>Later,
>Gary L. Murphy

Gary,
The composition would have been better without the fountain and pile of 
sand (or rock) at the right hand side. My eye is continually drawn to that 
part of the photograph, and in particular the light patch (more sand or a 
path?) above the vertical jet of the fountain.

Wendy


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Re[2]: What is Pentax equipment?

[Steve Sharpe]

At 10:56 PM +0100 8/31/01, Bob Walkden wrote:
>Hi,
>
>>  I invite discussion on this subject.
>
>I think there are a number of people who participate in the pdml who
>may have a Pentax body, but most or all of their lenses may be
>non-Pentax. When I was younger and poorer I had just the MX and the
>M 50/1.7 that came with it, but several non-Pentax lenses because
>they were cheap. I don't think I was any less a 'Pentax person' for
>that.
>
>My view, for what it's worth as an infrequent PUG contributor, is
>therefore that the PUG should be for Pentax body OR Pentax/Takumar lens
>only.

I agree. I moved over to Pentax from Miranda back in 1984 when I 
purchased an ME Super with a 50mm 1.7. Since I could not afford real 
Pentax lenses for many years, I made do with Tamron and Vivitar. It 
has only been in the past two years that I have had the financial 
freedom to start building a collection of Pentax lenses.

That said, I have taken some half-decent photos over the years with 
my Pentax bodies and non-Pentax lenses which - if I can ever get my 
scanner to work again - I would like to share with you in the PUG. 
Please don't exclude me!

As a further question, how far is this rule to be taken? My Pentax 
branded 28-200 zoom is actually made by Tamron, I am told. So, are 
photos taken with that lens also not allowed?
-- 
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Re: The revised new rules for PUG

[James Fellows]

Lets not forget Pentax Digital equipment.  I have an EI-200.

Jim Fellows
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From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 8:54 PM
Subject: The revised new rules for PUG


> As I write this Bill Robb hasn't yet reported to the list, but these are
the latest submission rules, as I just now found them written on the PUG
submission info page:
>
> "Submissions must have been made using Pentax K-Mount or M-42 screw mount
camera equipment.Third party equipment is allowable as long as it is either
K-mount or M-42 compatible."
>
> I find these rules excellent, and from what I understand from other
opinions expressed on the list, acceptable for most members.
> (However, I guess Bill simply forgot to add that Pentax medium format,
Pentax digital and Pentax p&s are also accepted.)
>
> Lasse
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Re: Re[2]: What is Pentax equipment?

[Steve Sharpe]

At 6:28 PM -0500 8/31/01, Hernan Mouro wrote:
>I vote for Pentax body OR Pentax lens.
>

Same here.
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More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[Richard Seaman]

folks,

My heart must have sunk about 10 feet when I started hearing people 
saying that third party lenses might not be allowed in the PUG gallery.  By 
all means disallow Canon, Nikon, Minolta and other bodies, after all this is 
the Pentax Users Group, but many people have little choice except to buy 
third party lenses because the Pentax lenses are so expensive.  I have a 
mixture of both, but I've never considered myself to be anything other than 
a true blue Pentaxian!  Pentax users in the real world of limited funds want 
to see what results a Tokina lens can produce just as much as what the 
equivalent Pentax lens can do.

Heck, some of the so-called "Pentax" lens are just rebranded lenses from 
other manufacturers, anyway.  Are they going to banned, too?  Where does it 
end?  Please don't sap the joy out of the gallery by silly hair-splitting in 
some attempt to achieve some meaningless and unachievable "purity" (what, do 
we also need to use Pentax film?)

Richard.
home page:  www.richard-seaman.com


William Robb wrote:

>I think we are going to discuss this further.
>What do you think we should do here??


I'm in favor of a purely Pentax gallery.  There are many places where
one can use other brands of cameras and lenses.  Many people have
their own web sites and home pages, and there are many opportunities
to post photos in other public galleries.  IMO, the idea of the Pentax
gallery is to showcase what Pentax users can do with their Pentax
equipment.  If I want to post a picture I've made with a Leica, I'll
swing over to one of the leica galleries.  However, my position does
not, of course, preclude one from showing their work here, via links
to web sites and home pages, made with other equipment.
--
Sheldon Belinkoff
CREATURE'S COMFORT


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September Gallery

[John Coyle]

I don't usually comment on the gallery, but here goes:  some contributors might 
not be too flattered by what I say, but my remarks are offered in a spirit of 
constructive comment.  Overall, I found many of the submissions a bit ho-hum, 
and some were not technically very good.


Anthurium, by RK
Shallow but perfectly judged depth of field really makes the flower stand out 
from the background.  Excellent quality for web purposes, and I would be 
interested to know how it stacks up printed at 10x8 or bigger.  A good shot 
technically.

Fat Drop in Strange Terrain by Ollen Mullis
I don't much like the colour rendition here, it seems to me to be intensified 
to the point where it looks totally unreal.  There seem to be artefacts from 
the scanning process in the right foreground, too.  I would have tried, if 
possible, to position the water droplet against a dark background, to highlight 
it more.
Perched by Ira Crummey
There are just too many distracting things in this shot: the use of the 28mm 
lens seems to me to have been a mistake, as the main subject (the seagull) is 
neither dominant nor at the main focus plane.

Goalkeeper by Alexey Tikhonov
I like this one, it reminds me of the best work done by European photographers 
in the 50's and 60's, when Europe was emerging from the war-time darkness.  The 
shot seems a little murky, but it is dynamic.
Summer Storm by Gianfranco Irlanda
One occasion where a sloping horizon really works! Lots of dynamism in this, 
and the ducked head of the riders tells a lot of the story.  A little dark by 
normal standards, but it does also help to convey the stormy atmosphere.
Untitled by  Steve Knobbe
This so very nearly works.  As a study in shapes it is good, but the essential 
element of the picture is surely that it is a residue only of the original 
bridge.  The framing does not illustrate this in any way, and so it becomes 
merely a technical study instead of being evocative.
Details by Karoly Kovacs
This is a stunningly sensual shot.  The low-key treatment is perfect, and the 
smooth surface of the skin in the background is beautifully lit and rendered. 
 I am not certain which part of the model's body is in the foreground, but it 
truly portrays the femininity of the model. One of my favourites.
Power lines by William Johnson
I have tried many times to take good pictures of cloud formations just like 
this, without real success.  Bill got it just right, but I am still debating 
the power lines!
Tyshaun: A Memorial by Bill Peifer
A sad commentary on some aspects of today's society, and not only in America. 
 Bill had the impossible task of trying to encapsulate all the elements in one 
frame: in fact, I think this is photo-essay material.  Perhaps a future theme, 
maybe 3-5 shots telling a story?
The Finish Line by Lasse Karlsson
A good action shot, with framing dictated by the width of the subject 
initially.  However, I feel that this shot cries out for severe cropping, to 
eliminate much of the redundant foreground, and concentrate the viewer's 
attention on the runners.  It could lose the bottom third without destroying 
the dynamism of the converging lines.  The elimination of colour in the 
background is interesting.  I am not sure that the focussing was accurate: to 
me it appears that the lines on the track in the foreground are sharpest, with 
nothing else being critically sharp.
Strange Universe by Harry Baughman
Very intriguing shot - I can't make up my mind whether it is manipulated or 
not!  Love the colours and the concept.
Amy by Paul Stenquist
A nearly perfect portrait, made to look like a candid shot, just a little heavy 
in the area round the eyes on my monitor.  The lighting really brings out a 
warm and sunny feeling.  Some might criticise the washed out highlights of the 
near shoulder, but I think it adds to the atmosphere of the shot.
Bitton by Ian Fleming
I like this a lot, I'm quite fond of old stations and trains myself.  The 
quality of the scan seems very good, which suggests that Ian's first attempt at 
b&w development worked well.  I have only one criticism: the figure half in the 
doorway adds nothing, in fact positively is distracting, and I think it would 
have been better if they were completely visible.

Little Falls IR by Chris Niesmertelny
Beautiful, ethereal quality to this - I gotta try IR sometime!  Just 
resuscitated my ME with the dodgy meter, so maybe next month...

John Coyle
(sitting back and waiting for the reactions)
Brisbane, Australia
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Bruce Dayton]

I personally would look toward Pentax bodies with any lens.  It is very
common practice for stores to sell a kit that contains a third party lens.
Or in the case where a third party lens is chosen due to cost or
availability.  I think that if you buy the Pentax body, you are pretty much
a Pentax user.

Bruce Dayton
Sacramento, CA


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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: What is Pentax equipment?


> - Original Message -
> From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:17 PM
> Subject: What is Pentax equipment? (Was: More Yipping..."
>
>
>
> > What is "Pentax equipment"?
> > It has to say "Pentax" on both camera and lenses?
> > No Tokinas, Tamrons or Sigmas etc. lenses on Pentax bodies?
> > No Pentax lenses on Ricoh or Chinon cameras?
>
> Well Lasse, it is the PENTAX users gallery after all. Not being
> a hard nosed person myself, I would say that as long as the
> camera body and the lens used is Pentax brand, then the
> submission will be published.
> I will certainly consider objections to this criteria. For
> example, it may be desirable to allow non Pentax brand lenses in
> the open galleries, as long as the body is Pentax.
> This really is mostly a non issue, but if you look at this
> months gallery, you will note that two of the submissions are
> from Canon and Nikon users respectively. While it is nice that
> they want to be seen in our forum, I want to discourage what I
> see as creeping horseshit from gaining a foothold in the PUG.
> As always, the gallery maintainer is the final arbiter of what
> will or will not be published in the PUG, but I will be guided
> by the desires of the people for whom the gallery is published
> for, which is the members of the PDML.
>
> I invite discussion on this subject.
>
> William Robb
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Steve Larson]

Eloquently said John.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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From: "John Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: What is Pentax equipment?


> Seems to me that posting only images taken only with
> both Pentax bodies and lenses is too restrictive.
> 
> To judge from the responses to this subject, I'm not
> the only one who very often uses non-Pentax lenses
> (and filters and flashes, camera straps and lens
> hoods).  I've taken many of my favorite photos with my
> K1000, KX, and 5N with non-Pentax lenses and would
> like to continue to post them to the PUG.
> 
> Such a restriction would also have the effect of
> excluding many newcomers to Pentax photography  and
> those who for whatever reason haven't invested in much
> Pentax gear.  I'm thinking, for instance, of the
> people who buy used equipment (yesterday I was in a
> camera store when a college student bought a K1000
> with a Ricoh lens for her photography class) or who
> buy new Pentax bodies packaged with third party
> lenses.
> 
> Restrict PUG images to those taken with Pentax lenses
> _and/or_ bodies?  Sure.  That's sufficiently within
> the spirit of the PUG _and_ sufficiently
> differentiates it from other web galleries.
> 
> --John
> 
> 
> =
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[John Mason]

Seems to me that posting only images taken only with
both Pentax bodies and lenses is too restrictive.

To judge from the responses to this subject, I'm not
the only one who very often uses non-Pentax lenses
(and filters and flashes, camera straps and lens
hoods).  I've taken many of my favorite photos with my
K1000, KX, and 5N with non-Pentax lenses and would
like to continue to post them to the PUG.

Such a restriction would also have the effect of
excluding many newcomers to Pentax photography  and
those who for whatever reason haven't invested in much
Pentax gear.  I'm thinking, for instance, of the
people who buy used equipment (yesterday I was in a
camera store when a college student bought a K1000
with a Ricoh lens for her photography class) or who
buy new Pentax bodies packaged with third party
lenses.

Restrict PUG images to those taken with Pentax lenses
_and/or_ bodies?  Sure.  That's sufficiently within
the spirit of the PUG _and_ sufficiently
differentiates it from other web galleries.

--John


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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[Tom Rittenhouse]

I would be up for limiting the PUG submissions to current PDML subscribers. That you 
could automate.
Just compare the submission to the mailing list. I the submitter is not there, just 
send a rejection
form back to them with a rejection.

This list is in my opinion no longer supported by Pentax, so it should be run for the 
benefit of the
subscribers. Since it is no longer a Pentax USA thing I see no real reason to limit it 
exclusively
to Pentax gear, but I do see a real reason to limit it to list members.

--graywolf (Tom)


William Robb wrote:
> 
> I have to get away from this computer..
> 
> I have had another look at the PUG Gallery submission
> guidelines, and after conferring with past maintainers have
> changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be
> publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses.
> 
> Please take a few moments to refamiliarize yourselves with the
> submission guidelines at:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
> and
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/submit.html
> 
> Thank you
> William Robb
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Tom Rittenhouse]

I thought you had decided awhile back that pic had to be taken with a Pentax camera, 
or lens. That
seemed to cover the spirit of the thing. Why not just enforce the decision you made 
then, Bill. In
other words you should have just refused the non-pentax stuff, it didn't even need any 
comment. Of
course, you realize that folks could lie about what equipment they used.
--graywolf


William Robb wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:17 PM
> Subject: What is Pentax equipment? (Was: More Yipping..."
> 
> > What is "Pentax equipment"?
> > It has to say "Pentax" on both camera and lenses?
> > No Tokinas, Tamrons or Sigmas etc. lenses on Pentax bodies?
> > No Pentax lenses on Ricoh or Chinon cameras?
> 
> Well Lasse, it is the PENTAX users gallery after all. Not being
> a hard nosed person myself, I would say that as long as the
> camera body and the lens used is Pentax brand, then the
> submission will be published.
> I will certainly consider objections to this criteria. For
> example, it may be desirable to allow non Pentax brand lenses in
> the open galleries, as long as the body is Pentax.
> This really is mostly a non issue, but if you look at this
> months gallery, you will note that two of the submissions are
> from Canon and Nikon users respectively. While it is nice that
> they want to be seen in our forum, I want to discourage what I
> see as creeping horseshit from gaining a foothold in the PUG.
> As always, the gallery maintainer is the final arbiter of what
> will or will not be published in the PUG, but I will be guided
> by the desires of the people for whom the gallery is published
> for, which is the members of the PDML.
> 
> I invite discussion on this subject.
> 
> William Robb
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Re: My PUG Entry [Paul Jones]

[Wendy Beard]

>Paul Jones wrote:
>
> > Please feel free to comment on my PUG entry.
> >
> > http://pug.komkon.org/01sep/anglesea.html

I love bridges, they fascinate me.
Unfortunately, I found this shot to be a little ordinary, not helped by the 
washed-out sky


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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[bc]

On 31 Aug 2001, at 14:54, William Robb wrote:

> I have to get away from this computer..
> 
> I have had another look at the PUG Gallery submission
> guidelines, and after conferring with past maintainers have
> changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be
> publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses.
> 
> Please take a few moments to refamiliarize yourselves with the
> submission guidelines at:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
> and
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/submit.html

Looks fine to me, I humbly suggest that point #9 be updated
to include Pentax 645 and 67 equipment, and P&S?

Cheers!
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The revised new rules for PUG

[Lasse Karlsson]

As I write this Bill Robb hasn't yet reported to the list, but these are the latest 
submission rules, as I just now found them written on the PUG submission info page:

"Submissions must have been made using Pentax K-Mount or M-42 screw mount camera 
equipment.Third party equipment is allowable as long as it is either K-mount or M-42 
compatible."

I find these rules excellent, and from what I understand from other opinions expressed 
on the list, acceptable for most members.
(However, I guess Bill simply forgot to add that Pentax medium format, Pentax digital 
and Pentax p&s are also accepted.)
 
Lasse
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OT: Bargain

[Collin Brendemuehl]

http://classifieds.excite.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P61+C198+R1769866

Who wants a nice KM?  :)

Collin

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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Jim Apilado]

I haven't submitted an image to the gallery yet.  I have a lot of Pentax
stuff from cameras to lenses.  I also have a Canon T90 and a Ricoh XRX-3PF.
I sometimes use SMC Takumar lenses on those bodies via adapters.  I think it
should be OK to mix equipment as long as one of the items is Pentax.
Jim A.

> From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:25:52 -0600
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: What is Pentax equipment?
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:17 PM
> Subject: What is Pentax equipment? (Was: More Yipping..."
> 
> 
> 
>> What is "Pentax equipment"?
>> It has to say "Pentax" on both camera and lenses?
>> No Tokinas, Tamrons or Sigmas etc. lenses on Pentax bodies?
>> No Pentax lenses on Ricoh or Chinon cameras?
> 
> Well Lasse, it is the PENTAX users gallery after all. Not being
> a hard nosed person myself, I would say that as long as the
> camera body and the lens used is Pentax brand, then the
> submission will be published.
> I will certainly consider objections to this criteria. For
> example, it may be desirable to allow non Pentax brand lenses in
> the open galleries, as long as the body is Pentax.
> This really is mostly a non issue, but if you look at this
> months gallery, you will note that two of the submissions are
> from Canon and Nikon users respectively. While it is nice that
> they want to be seen in our forum, I want to discourage what I
> see as creeping horseshit from gaining a foothold in the PUG.
> As always, the gallery maintainer is the final arbiter of what
> will or will not be published in the PUG, but I will be guided
> by the desires of the people for whom the gallery is published
> for, which is the members of the PDML.
> 
> I invite discussion on this subject.
> 
> William Robb
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Rfsindg]

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<< I want to discourage what I see as creeping horseshit from gaining a 
foothold in the PUG. >>

I love Canadians!  No politically correct mumbo jumbo, just the plainspoken 
truth.

Regards,  Bob S.  
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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[Artur Ledóchowski]

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Subject: Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy


| Artur Ledschowski said:
| > However, I support
| > the idea to exclude any non-K-mount equipment from the exhibition.
|
| Uh, speaking of not throwing out the baby with the bathwater,
| let's keep the Pentax 645, Pentax 67, and M42 equipment in
| the running, along with Pentax P&S.  And isn't there at least
| one list member with pre-M42 (and therefore also pre-Pentax-name)
| Asahi gear?

I meant, of course, only 35mm stuff, obviously forgetting about any other
format. My mistake and sorry for that. I'm, however, somehow excused for
that, becouse the problem with non-Pentax equipment relates mostly to the
35mm format. :) And I also forgot about P&S cameras - but just because I
never use them:)
Greetz
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Artur Ledóchowski]

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From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is Pentax equipment?

| In the September gallery there are five submitters, who, in good faith,
have submitted pictures shot with non | Pentax equipment, exactly in
accordance with guidlines provided by ourselves (essentially).
| I think you (and for that matter Bill R. too, for referring to their
submissions as "creeping horseshit") owe them | | all an apology.

Hell yes... As the old saying goes, "Lex retro non agit"
Greetz
Artur
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Re: me winder II question

[Alan Chan]

>Something silly just struck me, and I'll try it when I get home tonight.
>
>Can you use a ME winder II with an MX??
>
>Anyone tried before?

It can't. It works on ME Super, Super A/Program, Program A/Plus and P50. MX 
has its own winder and motor. When buying a Winder MX, make sure the battery 
cover is in good shape (it is often the first thing to break).

regards,
Alan Chan

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Re: (again) wedding and film

[Alan Chan]

>I just had a discussion with pro(?). :) He told me that Fuji NPH is
>hard-to-use film for wedding, especially for the beginner. I was and I am
>going to use this film mainly (+some bw, most believable TMax), and I'd
>like to get your opinion - has anyone of you found Fuji NPH to be a
>hard-to-use film? That guy claimed smth about narrow latitude, low
>contrast, bigger grain if compared to Fuji Press 400, oh, don't remember
>other stuff :) So, the question is - is it true or not?

I tried NPH once but was disappointed by its result. With the same lab, 
Reala turned out great. So I guess Reala is a more user friendly film. But 
then it's a ISO100 film. Another option is NHG II 800 (but I have yet to try 
one).

>P.S. BTW: my food now is fresh air and water, but I got METZ 54MZ-3
>flash... It's really good, but it has 2 drawbacks: it doesn't work with
>ZX-M (camera does not receive FashReady signal) and flash/SCA adapter
>connection is a bit loose, otherwise it performs excellent. I'd probably
>went for 500FTZ but local "dealer" hadn't any in stock and promised to
>deliver one after 2 months. That was too long to wait.

I have the 40MZ3i which is a bit loose on SCA372 adaptor, but very firm with 
the SCA3701 adaptor.

regards,
Alan Chan

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Re: Picture of the Week.

[Paul Jones]

I thought i probaly shouldnt have needed to point the t-shirts, but did
anyway :)

Thanks for your comments.

I hung out for about 30secs or so for someone to walk past.


Paul Jones
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Subject: Re: Picture of the Week.


> Paul,
> Terrific grab shot - well, terrific even if you hung out for
> a while waiting for just the right gal or guy to go by... I
> love the shot,
> wish I'd taken it. One BUT - but it isn't about the photo -
> you don't need
> to point out the t-shirts. If anyone purports serious
> interest in photography they are
> gonna look at it all.  I would think that even if someone
> didn't know English
> they would deduce that there was some relationship between
> the background and
> the foreground...
>
> I have been guilty of this, myself.  I did a whole book on
> signs hoping that
> the structure of the photo would read on one level and the
> integration of words
> and images would not be missed by the viewers.  Once in a
> while I found myself
> pointing out the words to someone who seemed to be missing
> the joke and I try
> verrry hard not to do that anymore.  If someone ASKS -
> that's different. Sometimes
> it is just a language problem.
>
> But your picture to me _is_ "flash" (I think I just learned
> a new idiomatic expression
> or you left off the "y")
>
> I'm running off at the keyboard a lot lately  - don't know
> why - but one story
> comes to mind.
>
> My very oldest friend is the world's worst speller, far
> surpassing me.  After
> viewing a group of photos, all of which had words as a key
> element, she said
> "there is one of them I don't get." (We are on the phone, I
> don't have the
> photos in front of me.)  I'm puzzled - we always laugh at
> the same things --
> oh , wait a minute one of the shots is of graffiti on a
> rock at the beach where the
> "artist' had scrawled " Mans downfall will be his own
> inteligence".
>
> Anyway, nice work, Paul!
>
>
> annsan
> http://users.rcn.com/annsan//
>
> Paul Jones wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Here is my picture of the week. Its nothing flash but i kinda liked it,
note
> > the
> > t-shirts in the window.
> >
> > http://www.alphalink.net.au/~nrg/week5.html
> >
> > Side note, this was my first role of HP2 Super and i shot the film at
ISOs
> > ranging from 100-3200 and all the prints looks good.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Paul Jones
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RE: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[Frits J. Wüthrich]

> >Submissions must have been made using Pentax camera equipment.
> Submissions
> >identifed as being taken with non Pentax equipment will not be displayed
> >in the PUG.

I assume submissions taken with non Pentax equipment are so easily
recognised as being of lesser quality, that it is possible to identify them
as being taken with non Pentax equipment. Interesting...


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PUG:Stenquist.

[Steve Larson]

Nice shot Paul! It is one of the best portraiture I`ve seen, you should
be very proud.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Steve Larson]

Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


> I agree with you, Will. If yer going to be submitting to the gallery, why on
> earth would ya submit photo's taken with other brand equipment? Oh. yeah. I
> forgot. Ego. Look, there's lots o' places where you can submit yer photos
> that are not brand related. Photo Critique is one. Satisfy your personal
> egos there. Give us a link and we'll all go "h" and "Aaaah". Part of the
> idea of the gallery is personal demonstrations and expressions of why we
> like (and chose) Pentax!
> 
> I find it hard to believe that one cannot afford an SMCA 50mm f/1.7. This is
> an excellent and very versatile lens.
> 
> I thought this place was about Pentax!
> 
> Regards,
> Bob...

Bob, everyone has an ego, but I hope most PUGsters submit photos to share with fellow
Pentaxians and hopefully get a comment that will help to improve on my/their images.  
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Lasse Karlsson]

Bob B. wrote:
> I agree with you, Will. If yer going to be submitting to the gallery, why on
> earth would ya submit photo's taken with other brand equipment?

Maybe because the submission guidelines says that during open months pictures shot 
with non Pentax equipment are welcome...

>Oh. yeah. I
> forgot. Ego. Look, there's lots o' places where you can submit yer photos
> that are not brand related. Photo Critique is one. Satisfy your personal
> egos there. Give us a link and we'll all go "h" and "Aaaah". Part of the
> idea of the gallery is personal demonstrations and expressions of why we
> like (and chose) Pentax!

You are being silly and insulting.
In the September gallery there are five submitters, who, in good faith, have submitted 
pictures shot with non Pentax equipment, exactly in accordance with guidlines provided 
by ourselves (essentially).
I think you (and for that matter Bill R. too, for referring to their submissions as 
"creeping horseshit") owe them all an apology.
They are not in the least deserving to be reproached by you or anyone else.

Lasse
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RE: MZ-S Blah, blah, blah.

[Frits J. Wüthrich]

Finally we have an on topic issue, and now you say enough is enough? Just
filter it out. I won't be buying the MZ-S either, but if we can't discuss
this camera, what else is the list for? Politics?

Frits

>
> I forget who said this is getting tedious, but he is
> right. I am sorry, but I just don't care about this
> stuff. I think I will filter it out from now on.
>
> I am never going to buy an MZ-S. You will never
> convince me otherwise. Yes, maybe you managed to
> convince Pentaxclover, but not me. I just don't want
> one. Don't ask why, that's just the way it is. Please
> have some consideration and try not to clog my (and
> others) inbox(es) too much.
>
> Enough is enough.
>
> Jody.
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Re: Re[2]: What is Pentax equipment?

[Hernan Mouro]

I vote for Pentax body OR Pentax lens.

Hernan Mouro.

- Original Message - 
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 5:39 PM
Subject: Re[2]: What is Pentax equipment?


> At 10:56 PM 8/31/2001 +0100, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> > > I invite discussion on this subject.
> >
> >My view, for what it's worth as an infrequent PUG contributor, is
> >therefore that the PUG should be for Pentax body OR Pentax/Takumar lens
> >only.
> 
> I agree.
> 
> tv
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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Artur Ledschowski said:
> However, I support
> the idea to exclude any non-K-mount equipment from the exhibition.

Uh, speaking of not throwing out the baby with the bathwater,
let's keep the Pentax 645, Pentax 67, and M42 equipment in
the running, along with Pentax P&S.  And isn't there at least
one list member with pre-M42 (and therefore also pre-Pentax-name)
Asahi gear?

-- Glenn
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Re: PUG Comments for Steve Larson, Jim Brooks, Lasse Karlsson

[Steve Larson]

Adelheid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Subject: PUG Comments for Steve Larson, Jim Brooks, Lasse Karlsson

> Steve Larson - LAX Encounter 
> Since I have never seen this restaurant before and LAX told me next to
> nothing - my first idea was "UFO". After a closer look I realised that this UFO
> was sitting on good old earth. 
> I think I understand what you wanted to achieve with this frame,
> unfortunatly there is too much around it that confuses the eye. I think the black 
>spot
> is not as bad as the white sky which seems to bleed the pic out of the frame,
> because it is so small. I played around with cropping (again) and it might
> help. Cut some skypart (opend the hole so to speak) and cropped a bit of the
> plants. Just have a look for yourself whether you like it.

Hi Adelheid, first off, thanks for taking time to comment on my photo. All the pics
that I have seen of the restaurant have been from afar or above, so I was trying to
capture it kind of looking up while still having the new control tower in the frame.
 As far as the sky goes, that`s the typical hazy white southern California sky, a blue
sky sure would have made a better shot. I tried cropping it too, but I liked the way
the overhead street  with the round light looked. One of my missions is to capture
the restaurant at night because it is lit up so nice with changing colors.
Again, thanks Adelheid,
 Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Quoth William Robb:
> I will certainly consider objections to this criteria. For
> example, it may be desirable to allow non Pentax brand lenses in
> the open galleries, as long as the body is Pentax.

I hope so, as for some focal lengths, all I've got is non-Pentax
glass.  And a greater difficulty for me if we require Pentax
lenses is that while I can look up which body I used for each
roll of film, I seldom record which lens was used for which
frames.  So unless it's obvious from field-of-view and perspective,
I may not _know_ whether a potential submission was made with
a third-part lens or not.

> This really is mostly a non issue, but if you look at this
> months gallery, you will note that two of the submissions are
> from Canon and Nikon users respectively. While it is nice that
> they want to be seen in our forum, I want to discourage what I
> see as creeping horseshit from gaining a foothold in the PUG.

The impression I've had is that the PUG is for members of 
this particular little community to show off to each other,
and that while we all identify as Pentax-users, some of us
do have other equipment as well.  I know that I don't think
of myself as a "Pentax and Olympus and Konica" shooter, but
I've had to skip over some photos I wanted to share when I
noticed they were made with non-Pentax cameras.  (For some
reason those shots always come to mind during theme months...)
Okay, the Olympus died a couple years ago, but I did get 
some cool shots from it.

After all, while we do want to show off (as a side effect)
what can be accomplished with Pentax gear, it's the photographer
rather than the equipment that makes a photo a good photo.
And whatever equipment used for a particular image, it's
still showing off what a self-identified Pentax-user can
do; someone who considers Pentax a brand name worth being
identified with whether it's his or her only brand or not.

So I can see why we've allowed non-Pentax gear in the past.

That having been said, I _do_ agree that restricting a
gallery with Pentax prominently in the name to photos made
with Pentax gear is _not_unreasonable_.  But I do hope that
the most inclusive interpretation of that restriction is
used.  I'd hate to have to rule out large numbers of 
potential submissions because my 135/2.8 screwmount is
a Vivitar, or my 400/6.8 preset K-mount is some off-brand, 
or I can't remember whether I used the Super Takumar 55/1.8 
or the Fuji 50/1.7 that day.

"I'm a Pentax shooter, and I shot this on my trusty Pentax."

(Yes, I know the lens is more important to image-forming
than the body.  I still don' wanna be left out 'cause I 
couldn't afford a Pentax lens in a particular length.)

-- Glenn
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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[Cotty]

>Submissions must have been made using Pentax camera equipment. Submissions 
>identifed as being taken with non Pentax equipment will not be displayed 
>in the PUG.

Bill,

Can you please clear something up for me? The quote above is from the web 
page. The quote below is from your email:

>We will no longer be
>publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses.

Does this mean that if I submit a shot taken with an LX and a Tokina 
lens, it will NOT qualify?

Does this mean that if I submit a shot with a (say) Ricoh and Pentax 
lens, it will NOT qualify?

I own several Pentax bodies, and yet only two Pentax lenses, an A*85mm 
f1.4 and a SMC-M 28 2.8. The rest of my 6 lenses are third party make. 
Does this mean that either I will have to

A/ submit only pics taken with a Pentax camera and a pentax lens?

B/ submit a pic and withhold information that might otherwise cause the 
pic to be disqualified?

C/ submit a pic and lie about certain equipment used (should I wish to 
continue to submit pics to the PUG).

A bit of guidance please sir.

Cheers,

Cotty

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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[Creature's Comfort]

"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote:
 
> After all, while we do want to show off (as a side effect)
> what can be accomplished with Pentax gear, it's the photographer
> rather than the equipment that makes a photo a good photo.
> And whatever equipment used for a particular image, it's
> still showing off what a self-identified Pentax-user can
> do; someone who considers Pentax a brand name worth being
> identified with whether it's his or her only brand or not.

There are numerous ways that you can present your non-Pentax photos to
the group, and to the world, aside from the PUG.

-- 
Sheldon Belinkoff
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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[Steve Larson]

As always I try to adhere by the rules, but I must disagree with the new
guidelines. It will be far removed from a relaxed atmosphere as it was
with the previous guidelines of Pentax lens or body. Since all the bodies
I own are Pentax, and a good lot of Pentax glass, I would hate to be
excluded because of third party glass, but if that`s the way it`s going
to be, so be it, but I`m not happy about it.
Steve Larson
Redondo Beach, California
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From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:54 PM
Subject: More Yipping from the PUG Guy


> I have to get away from this computer..
> 
> I have had another look at the PUG Gallery submission
> guidelines, and after conferring with past maintainers have
> changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be
> publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses.
> 
> Please take a few moments to refamiliarize yourselves with the
> submission guidelines at:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
> and
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/submit.html
> 
> Thank you
> William Robb
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Re[2]: What is Pentax equipment?

[Bob Walkden]

Hi,

> I invite discussion on this subject.

I think there are a number of people who participate in the pdml who
may have a Pentax body, but most or all of their lenses may be
non-Pentax. When I was younger and poorer I had just the MX and the
M 50/1.7 that came with it, but several non-Pentax lenses because
they were cheap. I don't think I was any less a 'Pentax person' for
that.

My view, for what it's worth as an infrequent PUG contributor, is
therefore that the PUG should be for Pentax body OR Pentax/Takumar lens
only.

---

 Bob  

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One should always have one's boots on and be ready to leave.

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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[Creature's Comfort]

William Robb wrote:
 
> I think we are going to discuss this further.
> What do you think we should do here??


I'm in favor of a purely Pentax gallery.  There are many places where
one can use other brands of cameras and lenses.  Many people have
their own web sites and home pages, and there are many opportunities
to post photos in other public galleries.  IMO, the idea of the Pentax
gallery is to showcase what Pentax users can do with their Pentax
equipment.  If I want to post a picture I've made with a Leica, I'll
swing over to one of the leica galleries.  However, my position does
not, of course, preclude one from showing their work here, via links
to web sites and home pages, made with other equipment.
-- 
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Motor Drive MX for sale on eBay

[Cotty]

Motor Drive MX for sale on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1270845532

Something has to go to help pay for the drive for the LX :-(

Cheers,

Cotty

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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[William Robb]

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From: "Creature's Comfort"
Subject: Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy


> Just so we're all clear about this: the PUG submission must be
made
> with a Pentax brand camera and a Pentax brand lens - no third
party
> zooms, no Ricoh bodies with Pentax lenses, etc.  Pentax bodies
and
> Pentax lenses only.  Correct?

I think we are going to discuss this further.
What do you think we should do here??
William Robb
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Re: More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[Creature's Comfort]

Just so we're all clear about this: the PUG submission must be made
with a Pentax brand camera and a Pentax brand lens - no third party
zooms, no Ricoh bodies with Pentax lenses, etc.  Pentax bodies and
Pentax lenses only.  Correct?

William Robb wrote:

> changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be
> publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses.

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Re: What is Pentax equipment?

[William Robb]

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From: "Lasse Karlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:17 PM
Subject: What is Pentax equipment? (Was: More Yipping..."



> What is "Pentax equipment"?
> It has to say "Pentax" on both camera and lenses?
> No Tokinas, Tamrons or Sigmas etc. lenses on Pentax bodies?
> No Pentax lenses on Ricoh or Chinon cameras?

Well Lasse, it is the PENTAX users gallery after all. Not being
a hard nosed person myself, I would say that as long as the
camera body and the lens used is Pentax brand, then the
submission will be published.
I will certainly consider objections to this criteria. For
example, it may be desirable to allow non Pentax brand lenses in
the open galleries, as long as the body is Pentax.
This really is mostly a non issue, but if you look at this
months gallery, you will note that two of the submissions are
from Canon and Nikon users respectively. While it is nice that
they want to be seen in our forum, I want to discourage what I
see as creeping horseshit from gaining a foothold in the PUG.
As always, the gallery maintainer is the final arbiter of what
will or will not be published in the PUG, but I will be guided
by the desires of the people for whom the gallery is published
for, which is the members of the PDML.

I invite discussion on this subject.

William Robb
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Re: September PUG

[Gianfranco Irlanda]

Hi Juan,
Thanks for the kind comment.
Yes, the scooters are underexposed a bit...
That print was not the best I made from that frame; I had to use
an old file since my scanner is still out of order.
Anyway, the negative is underexposed because the camera read the
light in the center. I should try to scan the neg itself and see
what I can do.
The second answer is no, there is no cropping... at least I
haven't cropped the file, but there is a bit of cropping on the
print itself (made with a great russian UPA enlarger, the one
you can disassemble and put in the case that acts as printing
base) due to the film holder, that shows 92-93% of the frame. On
the frame you only see a little more of the wheel on the left
and something more on the right, but that's all.
I'm glad you like the composition, it's a matter of pride for me
that I take half of the shots with my P&S without looking
through the finder... and they usually come out as they should.

Shameless luck... :)

Gianfranco


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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:30 PM
Subject: September PUG

> "Summer Storm " by Gianfranco Irlanda, Italy
> 
> My first impression was that this is underexposed. I'd like
more
> detail in the two scooters. In any case, I love the
composition. Did
> you crop anything? 
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My PUG submission

[Ian Fleming]

I would welcome feedback on my submission to the Sept. PUG,I 
particularly liked 'Amy' by Paul Stenquist,captured the character of 
the subject well.
Ian
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Re: My PUG Entry [Paul Jones]

[Creature's Comfort]

That's right - says me.  It's my ~opinion~ ... 

Robert Wetmore wrote:
> 
> Says you, Shel.  Life can be more complex than that.  I loved the restful
> stasis of the photo, so appropriate to the resting bridge.  Why make a
> bridge not a bridge?  Contrast is not the only way of representing.

-- 
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What is Pentax equipment? (Was: More Yipping..."

[Lasse Karlsson]

Bill Robb wrote:
> I have had another look at the PUG Gallery submission
> guidelines, and after conferring with past maintainers have
> changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be
> publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses.

What is "Pentax equipment"?
It has to say "Pentax" on both camera and lenses?
No Tokinas, Tamrons or Sigmas etc. lenses on Pentax bodies?
No Pentax lenses on Ricoh or Chinon cameras?

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More Yipping from the PUG Guy

[William Robb]

I have to get away from this computer..

I have had another look at the PUG Gallery submission
guidelines, and after conferring with past maintainers have
changed the submission criteria slightly. We will no longer be
publishing submissions taken with non Pentax cameras and lenses.

Please take a few moments to refamiliarize yourselves with the
submission guidelines at:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
and
http://pug.komkon.org/general/submit.html

Thank you
William Robb
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Re: MZ-S Blah, blah, blah.

[Tom Rittenhouse]

Gee Jody, if you don't like the content of this list I will be glad to give you  
"unsubscribe"
instructions. 
--graywolf


Jody wrote:
> 
> I forget who said this is getting tedious, but he is
> right. I am sorry, but I just don't care about this
> stuff. I think I will filter it out from now on.
> 
> I am never going to buy an MZ-S. You will never
> convince me otherwise. Yes, maybe you managed to
> convince Pentaxclover, but not me. I just don't want
> one. Don't ask why, that's just the way it is. Please
> have some consideration and try not to clog my (and
> others) inbox(es) too much.
> 
> Enough is enough.
> 
> Jody.
> 
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PUG: Cassel- and Thornsberry, Stenquist.

[Lasse Karlsson]

Hi all,
these are my comments on the pictures that were assigned to me of the September 
gallery.

Again, I want you to bear in mind that English is not my language.
I also want to point out that the purpose of my comments is not to pass a judgement on 
whether you've been a good or a bad photographer, but rather to simply report on 
whatever I notice or comes to mind watching your picture. It is up to you do decide on 
what, if any, value you want to attach to my comments, I do not pretend to present any 
aesthetical "truths" at all. If I seem excessively critical in details, it is not 
because of any personal interest of mine to look for flaws. I simply assume that those 
who ask for comments appreciate comments both in details and from an overall 
perspective.  

"No title" by  Bill D. Casselberry 

>From many previous submissions I have come to recognize and appreciate your approach 
>and style, often making good use of wide angle lenses.
These are two IR photos combined in a poster for a festival. The photos are nice, but 
there are some points which can be discussed.
First there is, in this context (on my 800x600 screen), the obvious problem of size. I 
am sure that the impact of the pictures are much greater in their original size.
The left picture of the bridge looks great, but I feel handicapped in commenting by 
it's small size. However, the angle (shooting position) and framing is selected by an 
experienced eye. There is some drama and depth to it, emphasized by the shadows on the 
bridge and the dark clouds.
What I said about shooting position and drama above applies to the right picture of 
the lighthouse too. However this picture seems too bright to me. Since it is a very 
low contrast picture it could have been made quite a bit darker in order to bring out 
the blacks, without loosing any of the highs. When I turned my monitor much darker I 
liked it more. However, if you carefully have selected this level according to your 
own taste, never mind my objection.
Now, looking at the poster on the whole as one picture, there are a couple of other 
things too.
It happens that both pictures within themselves contains a diagonal (?) "motion" of a 
similar angle. (Directed from the lower right to the upper left.) This is of course a 
matter of taste, but I would personally been happier with a different geometry to it. 
(I realize this is maybe impossible, if you want both of these two subjects included 
and this is what you have to use. I guess you can't just (mirror) flip any of 
them...:) )
I think I also would have pushed the whole line "Sea...Festival" slightly to the 
right. Or maybe even tried placing some of the words differently altogether.
Anyway, the poster is quite nice as is.


"Train Station, Hammon, LA" by  Kevin Thornsberry 

I like the overall look of this picture. What I said about Bill's experienced choice 
of angle and shooting position applies here too. (Funny enough though, I find myself 
leaning my head to the right, as if it were a 3D representation, in order to get a 
look at the building from a more straight on view of it...)
But I'd be a poor commentator if I didn't find anything to critisize, right?
Well, there are a couple of things (which may be regarded as unnecessarily critical, 
if you feel that way):
1) there is this certain "digital" look to it. I am not sure if I can pin-point it 
exactly. I think it's a question of resolution and how som diagonal lines get 
(mis)represented. For instance the roof tiles(?), the horisontal metal bars in front 
of the house etc. (This might not be a shooting problem but maybe a scanning/software 
one.)
2) there is this slightly greenish tint to it. Not much, but a slight one.
3) there seems to be a general problem re resolution or sharpness. (This technical 
comment doesn't necessarily have much bearing on the overall quality of the picture, 
but if you indeed are going for the best technical quality it can be pointed out. I 
also might mention that I have a tendency towards wanting more sharpening than many 
other people.) For instance the trees in the background look somewhat hazy and not 
quite well "defined". (It actually has a very slight resemblance of a hand tinted old 
postcard. :) ) Is there a chance for some stray light having entered, this being so 
wide a lens? (It's difficult to exactly determine the angle of the sun light.)
I am prejudiced against smaller apertures than about 11. I was just thinking whether, 
for a 20mm wide, 11 or maybe 16 would have made enough DOF, and that at 22 the lens 
may be less than perfect resolutionwise. Or maybe you already carefully checked that 
before taking the shot?
Anyway, as I said, I still like it as it is though. 


"Amy " by  Paul Stenquist, USA 

Boy, am I a sucker for pictures like this...
Congratulations Paul, for knowing this beautiful lady and getting the chance to shoot 
her, and congratulations for a great picture! To me this is just about as good as a 
picture like this 

Re: OT-cookies

[Jostein Øksne]

Scoot,
Microsoft could definately have done better handling the cookies from
IE.

-But why so paranoid about having cookies on your hard drive? What
damage can they do except occupying space?

Jostein

- Original Message -
From: "Scooter dog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Another reason to switch to Netscape
>
> MSIE allows cookies in your cookies folder, your temp folder, your
> history folder, in your Temporary Internet folder, and then copies
of
> that same cookie in your Content.IE5 folder & any sub folders
created
> under that directory. Many websites stop instantly when you refuse a
> cookie... and denies you access.
>
> Isn't that what everyone wants? Cookies spread all over their hard
drive
> & copies of cookies in spawning folders to hold... MORE cookies.
> NOT.
>
> TweekUI can clean up for you... and play hell with your Registry.
>
> OR..
> Netscape uses a .TXT file called "cookies.txt". If you delete the
> contents of that file; save it; then change the properties to Read
Only.
> You will NEVER recieve another cookie (though the websites will
"think"
> it just gave you one). No internet source will have anything to read
> when it takes a cookie.
> You are on your way to becoming invisible to the internet.
>
> If you have favorite websites or "special" sites (like your
brokerage)
> that uses a cookie to *remember* who you are (or special settings)
you
> can change the properties of that .TXT file just long enough to
collect
> that special cookie or unique ID, then go back to Read Only.
>
> It sucks that we have to know what a cookie is, let alone deal with
it.
> I guess it depends on who's in charge you or the computer.
>
> http://grc.com/  can tell you other ways Willie Gates left holes in
your
> OS. (look for "Shields Up!").
>
> Scoot
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Re: enabled again, plus Pentax 67 questions

[Tom Rittenhouse]

I think it was intended for weddings and things like that.
--graywolf


"David A. Mann" wrote:
> 
> Doug Brewer writes:
> 
> > hmmm. Isn't 90mm more of a normal lens on a 6x7? It is about equivalent to a
> > 45mm in the 35mm world, innit?
> 
> Yes.  It's a focal length I'm really fond of (my RB67 came with a 90mm f/3.8).
> I assumed the Pentax to be an outdoors portrait lens because they put a leaf
> shutter into it, perfect for fill-flash.  Probably not well suited to head-and-
> shoulders shots though.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - Dave
> 
> David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec)
> http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
> 
> "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up,
>  while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield
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PUG Comments for Steve Larson, Jim Brooks, Lasse Karlsson

[a_v_k]

Steve Larson - LAX Encounter 
Since I have never seen this restaurant before and LAX told me next to
nothing - my first idea was "UFO". After a closer look I realised that this UFO
was sitting on good old earth. 
I think I understand what you wanted to achieve with this frame,
unfortunatly there is too much around it that confuses the eye. I think the black spot
is not as bad as the white sky which seems to bleed the pic out of the frame,
because it is so small. I played around with cropping (again) and it might
help. Cut some skypart (opend the hole so to speak) and cropped a bit of the
plants. Just have a look for yourself whether you like it.

Jim Brooks - Our Lady Of Three Graces 
This is an interesting perspective. Unfortunatly the grainy film or too much
light erased the line of the cheek of the background face. 

Lasse Karlsson - The Finish Line 
I needed some time to realise that you treated it a lot in photoshop. It is
amazing how quick our brain accepts obvious wrong images, as long as they are
close enough to reality.
>From a picture point of view I don't know whether the long tartan lane is
necessary, since the runners have reached the finish line and are not going to
run much further. The runners are nicely catched in the various stages of
running and jumping. You where lucky that all of them where so close a field,
that makes it more dynamic. 

My two cents worth.
Cheers
Adelheid

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September Gallery

[William Robb]

Another lost soul has come home to roost, so to speak. Amita
Guha's submission which managed to get itself lost on my hard
drives has found it's way into the September Gallery.
William Robb
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