RE: Back from vacation - equipment experiences
Actually I didn't stay at an A/C hotel (when I was there I sure wished I did...) and the problems occured after almost a whole day of shooting during which the camera worked just fine. Thanks for the tip, though. I know that condensation is a problem when changing the climate, and it frequently occurs here in Sweden in winter time when you use the camera outdoors. Bringing it indoors create exactly the problem you describe, unless you let it adjust to room temperature in a sealed plastic bag. It didn't occur to me that the same mechanism can occur in the jungle - from cool and dry to warmer and humid. regards, Erik -Original Message- From: Anthony Farr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: den 23 oktober 2001 04:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Back from vacation - equipment experiences Erik, Liquid penetration is possible with a non sealed camera like an MZ-3 but in the tropics it's condensation that you need to beware of. Perhaps you spent the night in an air-conditioned hotel room so that when you went out for a day's touring the camera was still cool for a while and became a target for condensation from the surrounding air, especially if the humidity was in the 90% to 100% range at 35ºC plus. The best system of prevention is to store the camera overnight in a sealed plastic bag with dessicant, and each day upon leaving your cool, dry hotel room leave the camera sealed in its bag until it has reached ambient temperature. Result: no condensation :) Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: "Erik Nordin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > (snip) ... due to > some equipment problems... And this is where it might be interesting also > for you... > > First, my MZ-3 stopped working in the rain forest. It was obviously partly > my own fault, since I didn't protect it sufficiently. After one day of > trekking it just died. No response whatsoever, no info on the display > either. It didn't help to change from the battery pack to normal lithium > cells. So, I left the place and went to Kuala Lumpur where the camera woke > up after two days. Now everything is back to normal... > > So, what's to learn from this? Well, keep the camera in a bag to prevent it > from being wet by dripping water. The humidity is difficult to handle, but I > should have protected it from the sweat pouring off my body... > (snip) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
B&H's new digital catalog lists the new Contax N1 which is a 6MP camera and uses new AF lenses (50f1.4 lists for $595). So the 6 MP is here. Canon suprised me by coming out with a 4 MP EOS1D for @ $6,500 list. I use the D30 at work and enjoy using it, especially when my 80-200 f/2.8 becomes a 320 f/2.8, but hate the 20mm now a 32mm. The 1D will have firewire and only a 1.3 lens magnification, but for a street price of $5,000 you still only get a 5.5 x7.5 photo-quality image. The D30 when it first came out sold for $3,000 a year ago. The price has only come down $500 (with a free 1 gig Micro-drive and extra battery), so it is definitly holding its value. I hope Pentax comes out ahead of the pack with a 5 MP SLR since Minolta, Olympus and Sony already have fixed lens cameras available now in this size, and the Sony is less than $1,000. Jay - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cheating
On Monday, October 22, 2001, at 04:55 PM, Frank Theriault wrote: > > I may have told you this already, but I just bought a Minolta 16II on > eBay > (it's been three weeks now, and the thing still hasn't arrived yet...). > > I expect to have problems finding film - I don't even know if it has a > cassette > in it (probably not). If you ever find film or cassettes for yours, > lemme know > where. I may need to exploit the same source. What kind of film does it take? Isn't it rolled 16mm? If it is, I can point you towards some Toronto sources of 25 and 100 foot rolls of b&w. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Bright nox?
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Cory or Brenda Waters wrote: > I have a pair of binoculars and I now have FIVE K mount lenses (three > are Pentax). In a nutshell, if possible, why are the binoculars so > much brighter than my lenses? Possibly because the light isn't being deflected by a mirror so it can pass through a focusing screen, bounce around a pentaprism for a while, and then pass through a viewfinder? Not to mention all the glass in the lens. I'd guess that it had to do with the focusing screen somehow. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
Patrick White wrote: > > "aimcompute" writes: > >I guess it makes sense. Up to now. digital photography has never really > >been about "quality". > >I find the Fuji Super CCD technology somewhat of a joke. You can't end up > >with more raw material than you start with. The Nikon D1x uses interpolation in one direction (the width I believe) without any obvious problems. Isaac - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
"Albinar" Lens on a ZX-7?
Hi all, I have a 28mm wide angle lens by Albinar,it is a manual everything. I am trying to use it on a ZX7 but the light meter seems to not work correctly with the lens installed. Is this one incompatible with the ZX7? It is a K mount lens. When I put it on there,I set it to F/2.8, aim it at a light and don't get a normal exposure reading on the meter until I do a 3 second exposure. What's up? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Chaso DeChaso wrote: > > Wasn't there a time when Pentax actually cared about > being a leader? Are they now content with always > following (more and more distantly), at best offering > products close to the others and cheaper? This would > be sad. If they simply don't have the might to > compete against N and C* anymore, at least > they could do one thing really well - in the digital > realm, this could have been the full-frame CCD SLR. If this could have been done, Nikon, Canon, or Kodak would have already released it. Pentax is at a huge disadvantage in the fact that they are almost completely reliant on other manufacturers to supply chips. Kodak and Canon can make their own and Nikon has dedicated enough money to stay ahead of the curve. I for one saw the writing on the wall after the zillionth delay of the Pentax and Contax cameras... Isaac > > Is Pentax to become the next Contax, who was fifteen > (or however many) years late with autofocus? Maybe > Pentax will release a fantastic digital SLR in 2016 > when almost nobody remembers who Pentax is. > > In any case, they really have to release something > serious soon or they'll be wiped off the map. (I > don't care about digital products too much, I just > want them to stay in business so that they can make > lenses and film cameras for a while longer.) That is what this announcement is all about... To show Pentax users that we will have a digital body to use. How many D1 (X.h), D30, and S1 cameras do you think have been sold? I'm willing to bet that the combined sales (in units) of those cameras wouldn't equal a tenth of the ZX-M sales. It was important for Nikon to release the D1 so that they could (re)capture the PJ market, and Canon will try and strike back. But what do companies like Pentax, Minolta, and Olympus have to gain? What they need are strong sales in the mid level markets. The release of a high end and expensive digital body would do nothing but hurt the bottom line of Pentax. Isaac - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: photographic magazine.....
> if anyones interested in having a look at them then go to > www.crumpler.com.au I wish they had had better pictures on the site, but they're going to have a booth at the PhotoPlus Expo here in NY next week, so I'll get to take a look at them then. Here's the url for the expo in case anyone's interested. It's a photography/new media show: http://photoplusexpo.com/2001/east/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Bruce Dayton wrote: > > My concern is if you are going to do no better than the competition, and > they are more entrenched, how are you going to compete. The motto "We're no > worse than the rest" comes to mind. > > A full frame CCD was, IMHO, one of the big differences between the Pentax > and a D30 or D1. Pentax may be able to sell a lesser model to some of us, > but it will *not* lure Canon and Nikon users away. You don't really gain > any market share. At best, you may hang on to what you have. But it seems > that you are sending the same old signal, "we will not compete." > > Gives all of use considering digital more reason to examine Nikon and Canon > offerings. It's sad to say, but I cannot imagine a company the size of Pentax being able to one-up companies like Nikon and Canon. I have always looked at Pentax as a manufacturer that learns a lot from their competition and improves upon them... eventually... Isaac > > Bruce Dayton - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
On 22 Oct 2001, at 21:13, Doug Franklin wrote: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:37:57 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: > 2) How does the "absolute resolution" of the captured image compare > between this undersampling and the "full" sampling performed by, e.g., > a flatbed or film scanner. Well we can only postulate if we aren't in the business but I would bet that there ain't much chance of seeing 48bit (or 12/14 bits per colour plus padding) too soon. This means that for the mean time, there will be a broadening gap between the quality of a good film scan vs the output of a digital camera most notably in the areas of subtle gradation such as cloudy skies. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Back from vacation - equipment experiences
Erik, Liquid penetration is possible with a non sealed camera like an MZ-3 but in the tropics it's condensation that you need to beware of. Perhaps you spent the night in an air-conditioned hotel room so that when you went out for a day's touring the camera was still cool for a while and became a target for condensation from the surrounding air, especially if the humidity was in the 90% to 100% range at 35ºC plus. The best system of prevention is to store the camera overnight in a sealed plastic bag with dessicant, and each day upon leaving your cool, dry hotel room leave the camera sealed in its bag until it has reached ambient temperature. Result: no condensation :) Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: "Erik Nordin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > (snip) ... due to > some equipment problems... And this is where it might be interesting also > for you... > > First, my MZ-3 stopped working in the rain forest. It was obviously partly > my own fault, since I didn't protect it sufficiently. After one day of > trekking it just died. No response whatsoever, no info on the display > either. It didn't help to change from the battery pack to normal lithium > cells. So, I left the place and went to Kuala Lumpur where the camera woke > up after two days. Now everything is back to normal... > > So, what's to learn from this? Well, keep the camera in a bag to prevent it > from being wet by dripping water. The humidity is difficult to handle, but I > should have protected it from the sweat pouring off my body... > (snip) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: multiple RE:Subject: OT Bright nox?
My guess would be that it is because of a larger exit pupil on the binoculars. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Angle of View
- Original Message - From: "Anthony Farr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > - Original Message - > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > When it is said that a lens has a certain angle of view, where is > point > > from which the angle is measured - film plane, somewhere inside the > > lens, front element? > > -- > > Shel Belinkoff > > > > Rear nodal point. > > Regards, > Anthony Farr > A minor correction is in order. The rear nodal point is the point from which the AOV is measured to the film. The AOV to the subject (ie. in front of the lens) is measured from the front nodal point. The space between the rear and the front nodal points can be thought of as the province of the lens designer. As John Francis says, 180 degree and greater fisheye lenses appear to follow a different set of rules. Regards, Anthony Farr - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
My new 6x7! (questions)
Woo hoo! I managed to snag a Pentax 6x7 (w/ MLU) at a local flea market for a very reasonable price. It came with the AE prism finder, the folding waist-level finder, the 150/2.8, the 80/2.8 leaf shutter, and a grip for the flash. I bought it with the intention of reselling it, but the more I play with it the more I want to keep it. :) I do have a few questions, though. Or, if there's a detailed site somewhere online devoted to explaining the nuances of the 6x7, I'd love a link to it. Thanks! How on earth do I work the leaf shutter lens? No matter what I do I can't get the lens to use the leaf shutter speeds... it's always the body speed that the camera uses. Can I use the body's speed without damaging the shutter? Why does the leaf shutter sometimes fire and sometimes not? When do I need to cock it? Help! :) What is the sliding S/U switch on the leaf shutter lens? What does it do? Is the Auto/Manual sliding switch on the 90/2.8 supposed to be spring-loaded? Mine stays on Auto by default; I cna slide it to the Manual setting, but it springs back to Auto when I let it go. Is it supposed to do this, or is mine broken? For a big camera it seems very well balanced. I carried it over my shoulder for a while and never even noticed it. It's not as heavy as I expected it to be, but it's definitely got some heft to it. I've been wanting to try medium format for a while, and this looks like a fun introduction. Now I want the 67 adapter so I can use these lenses on my tiny little LX and get some *really* funny looks. *L* What's the 6x7 like to use? Any fun or interesting stories out there? chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Angle of View
- Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > When it is said that a lens has a certain angle of view, where is point > from which the angle is measured - film plane, somewhere inside the > lens, front element? > -- > Shel Belinkoff > Rear nodal point. Regards, Anthony Farr - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: multiple RE:Subject: OT Bright nox?
Cory or Brenda Waters wrote: > So sorry for the shotgun approach with this message. MS Lookout had a > hiccup or two :( Or 5? :-) -frank p.s.: I don't know the answer to your question(s) either! -f > > -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: multiple RE:Subject: OT Bright nox?
So sorry for the shotgun approach with this message. MS Lookout had a hiccup or two :( Cory Waters - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: The REAL reason the Pentax MX rules!
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Skofteland, Christian wrote: > Which K-series body provides a full mechanical shutter speed range (1sec - > 1/1000 ) DOF preview, interchangeable focusing screens and a decent > motor/winder? I think you're misreading what I'm saying. I'm not saying that the MX is a bad camera, or that it isn't well-spec'ed. I'm not saying that you shouldn't use one, or that it doesn't have its good points. All I'm saying is that, based on the cameras I've seen, the MX doesn't hold up to heavy use as well as some Pentaxes, like the K-series bodies, do. I'm not trying to argue that the MX is a bad camera or that people should switch to the K bodies. Use what you like, and what works well for you. I'm sure some people have had the opposite experience from what mine has been, and that's prefectly valid. > I just bought an MX on ebay for half of what I normally see them go for. > I'll let you know how it is when i get it later this week. Hope it's a keeper! chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:37:57 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: > [...] in a digital camera the CCD is masked by a matrix of colour > filters ie for every cluster of four pixels there are a red, blue > and two green sensitive CCD pixels. These sensors and the surrounding > ones are used to interpolate the actual colour of the pixels in the > output file [...] I wasn't even going to get into that. The questions in my mind are 1) Can I rely on color fidelity with this sort of undersampling? 2) How does the "absolute resolution" of the captured image compare between this undersampling and the "full" sampling performed by, e.g., a flatbed or film scanner. TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: photographic magazine.....
woops correction, the company is based there, but the bags are made in Vietnam, i just looked on mine. - Original Message - From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: Re[2]: photographic magazine. > Hi, > > the only places I've ever seen them in the UK have been camera shops. > So anybody who recognises one in the UK thinks it's a camera bag. > > --- > > Bob > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 1:27:46 AM, you wrote: > > > Oh yeah the best part is they dont look like camera bags. > > > if anyones interested in having a look at them then go to > > www.crumpler.com.au > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Addendum to Pentax 67 flash metering question
Haven't learned anything new regarding my question about TTL metering with the Pentax 67II and the leaf shutter lens but... I didn't mention my impressions when I was shown the camera itself. It was the first time I'd ever seen a Pentax 67 in the flesh and two thoughts immediately struck me: 1) Wow! What a beautiful piece of engineering! 2) Wow! I'm glad I bought a 645! (That 67 is huuuge!) -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bizarro PDML! (Re: The REAL reason the Pentax MX rules!)
Jim, Like you I have no intention of leaving Pentax. I just wish they were a little more aggressive and able to push the market instead of follow along. Oh, well. I do love the glass! Bruce Dayton - Original Message - From: "Jim Apilado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Bizarro PDML! (Re: The REAL reason the Pentax MX rules!) > I was excited when I read that Pentax was coming out with a TTL metering > system in the Spotmatic. I had a Honeywell Pentax H3 (still have it) and > was looking forward to this new technology. > I have stayed with Pentax over the years. I acquired a lot of SMC Takumars > that I am happy to still be using with the newer Pentax SLR's I now own - > LX, SF1n, and PZ1-P. I don't know if I could do it had I gone with Nikon > back in the early 60's. > > Jim A. > > > From: Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:32:49 -0400 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Bizarro PDML! (Re: The REAL reason the Pentax MX rules!) > > > > dick graham wrote: > > > >> A few months ago Phototechnique or 35mm Photo ( one of those magazines) > >> listed their version of the top 25 cameras of all time. Included in the 25 > >> was the Pentax Spotmatic. Why you may ask did they include it. Because, > >> they said, it was the life support system for those marvelous Super Takumar > >> lenses of the 60's and early 70's that could stand up to the best Germany > >> had to offer. > > > > True enough, dick, > > > > I can think of a couple of other reasons. > > > > Firstly, the Spotmatic is a historically significant camera, being the first > > with ttl metering (yes, Topcon came to market with a ttl 35 mm slr a few > > months > > earlier, but it was cumbersome, as you had to dial in the speed of each lens > > that you attached - and theirs was not commercially successful) > > > > Secondly, Pentax sold a ton of them! Millions, in fact. In the mid-to-late > > 60's, the Spotmatic outsold slr's made by Nikon, Canon, Minolta and the other > > Japanese manufacturers - combined. The most popular slr in the world, and the > > second most popular among pros (after the Nikon F series), they truly had an > > incredible line of accessories, and as you said, those lovely Takumar lenses. > > > > If you consider the fact that K1000's were basically a bayonet mount > > Spotmatic, > > and that K1000 knock-offs are still being made by some of the factories from > > which Pentax sourced K1000's in China at the end of its run (Mingca still > > makes > > them in China, I think), the Spotmatic and its direct descendants have had a > > 37 > > year run - which is still going. > > > > I think it's fair to say that the Spotmatic was the first "modern" ttl metered > > 35mm slr and certainly popularized the breed among pros and amateurs alike. > > I'd say it belongs on a list of historically significant cameras. > > > > regards, > > frank > > > >> > >> > > > > -- > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > > fears it is true." -J. Robert > > Oppenheimer > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: photographic magazine.....
in Australia about 99% of them are just shoulder bags or used by bike couriers. They were originally designed for bike couriers and are made in a country town just outside of melbourne. - Original Message - From: "Bob Walkden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: Re[2]: photographic magazine. > Hi, > > the only places I've ever seen them in the UK have been camera shops. > So anybody who recognises one in the UK thinks it's a camera bag. > > --- > > Bob > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 1:27:46 AM, you wrote: > > > Oh yeah the best part is they dont look like camera bags. > > > if anyones interested in having a look at them then go to > > www.crumpler.com.au > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bizarro PDML! (Re: The REAL reason the Pentax MX rules!)
I was excited when I read that Pentax was coming out with a TTL metering system in the Spotmatic. I had a Honeywell Pentax H3 (still have it) and was looking forward to this new technology. I have stayed with Pentax over the years. I acquired a lot of SMC Takumars that I am happy to still be using with the newer Pentax SLR's I now own - LX, SF1n, and PZ1-P. I don't know if I could do it had I gone with Nikon back in the early 60's. Jim A. > From: Frank Theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:32:49 -0400 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Bizarro PDML! (Re: The REAL reason the Pentax MX rules!) > > dick graham wrote: > >> A few months ago Phototechnique or 35mm Photo ( one of those magazines) >> listed their version of the top 25 cameras of all time. Included in the 25 >> was the Pentax Spotmatic. Why you may ask did they include it. Because, >> they said, it was the life support system for those marvelous Super Takumar >> lenses of the 60's and early 70's that could stand up to the best Germany >> had to offer. > > True enough, dick, > > I can think of a couple of other reasons. > > Firstly, the Spotmatic is a historically significant camera, being the first > with ttl metering (yes, Topcon came to market with a ttl 35 mm slr a few > months > earlier, but it was cumbersome, as you had to dial in the speed of each lens > that you attached - and theirs was not commercially successful) > > Secondly, Pentax sold a ton of them! Millions, in fact. In the mid-to-late > 60's, the Spotmatic outsold slr's made by Nikon, Canon, Minolta and the other > Japanese manufacturers - combined. The most popular slr in the world, and the > second most popular among pros (after the Nikon F series), they truly had an > incredible line of accessories, and as you said, those lovely Takumar lenses. > > If you consider the fact that K1000's were basically a bayonet mount > Spotmatic, > and that K1000 knock-offs are still being made by some of the factories from > which Pentax sourced K1000's in China at the end of its run (Mingca still > makes > them in China, I think), the Spotmatic and its direct descendants have had a > 37 > year run - which is still going. > > I think it's fair to say that the Spotmatic was the first "modern" ttl metered > 35mm slr and certainly popularized the breed among pros and amateurs alike. > I'd say it belongs on a list of historically significant cameras. > > regards, > frank > >> >> > > -- > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert > Oppenheimer > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: photographic magazine.....
Hi, the only places I've ever seen them in the UK have been camera shops. So anybody who recognises one in the UK thinks it's a camera bag. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, October 23, 2001, 1:27:46 AM, you wrote: > Oh yeah the best part is they dont look like camera bags. > if anyones interested in having a look at them then go to > www.crumpler.com.au - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001, Rob Studdert wrote: > But at least a flat-bed or film scanner scans the three primary > colours for each absolute pixel whereas in a digital camera the > CCD is masked by a matrix of colour filters ie for every cluster > of four pixels there are a red, blue and two green sensitive CCD > pixels. I would totally go for a digital camera that can only do B&W, and doesn't have to use this kind of filters. I guess there won't be a market for such a thing, though... j -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT Bright nox?
Hey Cory, are you a little anxious??? ;-) This is your fifth mail with the same question. :-) And I don't know the answer to your question. Martin PD Should I reply 5 times? ;-) -Original Message- From: Cory or Brenda Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:08 PM Subject: OT Bright nox? I have a pair of binoculars and I now have FIVE K mount lenses (three are Pentax). In a nutshell, if possible, why are the binoculars so much brighter than my lenses? Cory Waters - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
On 22 Oct 2001, at 19:07, Doug Franklin wrote: > Anyway, you threw away a bunch of data when you captured the image a > lower resolution. Now you're going to make some up to get a > "reasonable facsimile" of what you could have had in the first place. > To go from 600 dpi to 9600 dpi, as the HP ScanJet 3300 and others do, > you have to create ***255*** new pixels from each pixel your sensor > captured! It takes a 16 x 16 pixel array on the 9600 dpi grid to > "cover" each 600 dpi pixel. But at least a flat-bed or film scanner scans the three primary colours for each absolute pixel whereas in a digital camera the CCD is masked by a matrix of colour filters ie for every cluster of four pixels there are a red, blue and two green sensitive CCD pixels. These sensors and the surrounding ones are used to interpolate the actual colour of the pixels in the output file before you get to blatant pixel puffing :-( Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: photographic magazine.....
Oh yeah the best part is they dont look like camera bags. if anyones interested in having a look at them then go to www.crumpler.com.au - Original Message - From: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 10:21 AM Subject: Re: photographic magazine. > Hi, > > I have a crumpler bag with a camera bag insert and its great. I have the > Weenie bag which i'm selling as i'm going to change to the wonder weenie. > > Paul > - Original Message - > From: "Wendy Beard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:32 AM > Subject: Re: photographic magazine. > > > > A couple of months ago I decided to subscribe to Practical Photography. > > Partly because I was buying it every month anyway and it was quite late > > getting into the shops and partly because whenever I go to the book store, > > I spend too much anyway. Another reason was the nice crumpler bag they > were > > offering. > > I did my sums, and the subscription price for 13 issues was fractionally > > dearer than the cover price in Canada. I thought, well, there's a nice bag > > included in the price, so it's just about worth it. > > Rang up the subscriptions department, quoting the ref number they give in > > the mag. Subscriptions dept quoted me a dearer price for 12 issues and > said > > they didn't send the gifts outside of the UK - even though there is NO > > mention of this in the mag. > > (I know this is quite common, not sending subscription gifts outside of > the > > UK but it is usually declared in the small print) > > > > Upshot is, they lost a subscriber. > > > > Wendy > > > > At 14:32 22-10-2001 -0400, you wrote: > > >Subject: Re: photographic magazine. > > > > > >Hi Nagaraj, > > > > > >I can only vouch for Amateur Photgrapher. I'm only interested in the news > > >bits, biographies and book reviews, although the reviews are pretty good, > > >I only give them a glance really. Nice competition results pics, a few > > >wannabees getting their stuff onto a page, the odd camera club highlight. > > >Oh yeah, the ads - the ads are fabulous - worth getting it just for the > > >ads! > > > > > >They ship abroad, rates to 'Middle-East' are £118 per year (51 issues) > > >and to 'Far East' are £138. India might scrape into 'Middle' ?? Call +44 > > >(0) 1444 475675 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info regarding payment. > > >Hey I should get a finder's fee! > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > > >Cotty > > > > --- > > Wendy & Paul Beard > > Ottawa, Canada > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Angle of View
The angle of view indicates the area that will be included within the film frame when the lens is focused to infinity. The standard practice is to give the angle of view based on the diagonal of the film format. Since most subjects are either horizontal or vertical, angles of view for these are given in the lens data sheets. (AMPHOTO, Dr. Joseph D. Cooper, Honeywell Pentax Manual, Chapter 3, page 2.) The lens data sheets referenced in the same chapter give, for example: SMC Takumar 24mm f/3.5 . . . Angles of view Diagonal 84 degrees Horizontal 74 degrees Vertical 53 degrees . . . The Spotmatic II manual lists this lens simply as having an 84 degree angle of view. The useful angle of view depends on your application, I suppose. ppro > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:22 PM > To: Pentax List > Subject: OT: Angle of View > > > > When it is said that a lens has a certain angle of view, where is point > from which the angle is measured - film plane, somewhere inside the > lens, front element? > -- > Shel Belinkoff > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: photographic magazine.....
Hi, I have a crumpler bag with a camera bag insert and its great. I have the Weenie bag which i'm selling as i'm going to change to the wonder weenie. Paul - Original Message - From: "Wendy Beard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:32 AM Subject: Re: photographic magazine. > A couple of months ago I decided to subscribe to Practical Photography. > Partly because I was buying it every month anyway and it was quite late > getting into the shops and partly because whenever I go to the book store, > I spend too much anyway. Another reason was the nice crumpler bag they were > offering. > I did my sums, and the subscription price for 13 issues was fractionally > dearer than the cover price in Canada. I thought, well, there's a nice bag > included in the price, so it's just about worth it. > Rang up the subscriptions department, quoting the ref number they give in > the mag. Subscriptions dept quoted me a dearer price for 12 issues and said > they didn't send the gifts outside of the UK - even though there is NO > mention of this in the mag. > (I know this is quite common, not sending subscription gifts outside of the > UK but it is usually declared in the small print) > > Upshot is, they lost a subscriber. > > Wendy > > At 14:32 22-10-2001 -0400, you wrote: > >Subject: Re: photographic magazine. > > > >Hi Nagaraj, > > > >I can only vouch for Amateur Photgrapher. I'm only interested in the news > >bits, biographies and book reviews, although the reviews are pretty good, > >I only give them a glance really. Nice competition results pics, a few > >wannabees getting their stuff onto a page, the odd camera club highlight. > >Oh yeah, the ads - the ads are fabulous - worth getting it just for the > >ads! > > > >They ship abroad, rates to 'Middle-East' are £118 per year (51 issues) > >and to 'Far East' are £138. India might scrape into 'Middle' ?? Call +44 > >(0) 1444 475675 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info regarding payment. > >Hey I should get a finder's fee! > > > >Cheers, > > > >Cotty > > --- > Wendy & Paul Beard > Ottawa, Canada > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Manual vs. motor
In the FWIW Dept, I'm a left eye shooter and a wearer of eye glasses. I figured out a way to manually advance the film without removing my eye from the finder. On cameras where the film advance lever ratchets (MX, LX, Spotmatics,and others I'm sure)) I just push the lever as far out as possible for the first exposure, and don't let it return. When it's time for the next exposure I just let the lever come back a little and rapidly ratchet it on. It's really quite simple, and, with practice, a lot faster than removing the camera from your eye, advancing the film, and bringing the camera back up to shooting position. > John Francis wrote: > > > > That's the primary reason why I have winders for my M-bodies; > > not only am I left-eyed, I also wear glasses, making it even > > more difficult to advance the film manually. And Paul responded: > Ditto. I shot without winders for many years, using my right eye to > focus. But as I aged, my right eye weakened became farsighted while my > left remained reasonably neutral. After learning to focus with my left > eye, I quickly became frustrated with the manual advance lever and > motorized most of my 35mm cameras. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: A Week in the Life (long response to everyone)
John Mustarde mentioned: > > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:18:49 -0700, you wrote: > > > >What I'd like to do, and my script is pretty close to doing, > is read a > >directory of jpegs, create an index page of thumbnails, and an > >individual html page from a template for each one. Can excel > do that? > > > Photoshop, Ulead PhotoImpact, and imagENGine will do that. There may > be other programs with an Export for Web or similar feature. I'm pretty sure ThumbsPlus has an HTML option, too. -- John Francis . . . . . . . . . . (650) 565-4427 MyWay.com 1070 Arastradero Rd, Palo Alto,CA 94306 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: What's it worth?
Bought one used, a few years ago from B+H, in as new condition, with original sales box, case rubber eye piece and instructions for $275. I believe they were then going for around $325 to $350US. Ken Waller - Original Message - From: Leon Altoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 4:03 AM Subject: What's it worth? > Specifically a Pentax Ref-converter A. It's current owner says it's in > KEH bargain plus condition, and it does show signs of wear. The glass > is in good condition, though the eyepiece could be better. It doesn't > come with a case or instruction manual, though I would like a case I > can live without the instruction manual. > > The current owner picked it up cheaply with a view to reselling, but is > unsure of what it is likely to be worth and we would both like the > lists opinion. B&H have them new for US$335.95, it was bought for > AU$60 (about US$31). > > I'd like to own this and pay a fair price, so please help me find out > what that is. > > Thanks to all who respond. > > > Leon > > http://www.bluering.org.au > http://www.bluering.org.au/leon > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: photographic magazine.....
A couple of months ago I decided to subscribe to Practical Photography. Partly because I was buying it every month anyway and it was quite late getting into the shops and partly because whenever I go to the book store, I spend too much anyway. Another reason was the nice crumpler bag they were offering. I did my sums, and the subscription price for 13 issues was fractionally dearer than the cover price in Canada. I thought, well, there's a nice bag included in the price, so it's just about worth it. Rang up the subscriptions department, quoting the ref number they give in the mag. Subscriptions dept quoted me a dearer price for 12 issues and said they didn't send the gifts outside of the UK - even though there is NO mention of this in the mag. (I know this is quite common, not sending subscription gifts outside of the UK but it is usually declared in the small print) Upshot is, they lost a subscriber. Wendy At 14:32 22-10-2001 -0400, you wrote: >Subject: Re: photographic magazine. > >Hi Nagaraj, > >I can only vouch for Amateur Photgrapher. I'm only interested in the news >bits, biographies and book reviews, although the reviews are pretty good, >I only give them a glance really. Nice competition results pics, a few >wannabees getting their stuff onto a page, the odd camera club highlight. >Oh yeah, the ads - the ads are fabulous - worth getting it just for the >ads! > >They ship abroad, rates to 'Middle-East' are £118 per year (51 issues) >and to 'Far East' are £138. India might scrape into 'Middle' ?? Call +44 >(0) 1444 475675 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info regarding payment. >Hey I should get a finder's fee! > >Cheers, > >Cotty --- Wendy & Paul Beard Ottawa, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Manual vs. motor
John Francis wrote: > > That's the primary reason why I have winders for my M-bodies; > not only am I left-eyed, I also wear glasses, making it even > more difficult to advance the film manually. > Ditto. I shot without winders for many years, using my right eye to focus. But as I aged, my right eye weakened became farsighted while my left remained reasonably neutral. After learning to focus with my left eye, I quickly became frustrated with the manual advance lever and motorized most of my 35mm cameras. Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: K1000
Welcome to the list.As a K1000 owner myself,one word. Keep the K1000,its a camera you can always go back to.I love mine and its my main "go to camera" for now Dave Begin Original Message From: Francis Alviar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 22 Oct 2001 07:38:34 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: K1000 Hello, I am new to PDML. I own a Pentax K1000. Besides being able to use a release cord for long exposures, what other accessories are available for use with this type of camera. I enjoy very much your postings to PDML. I hope I can contribute my share too but I am limited to only topics concerning my type of camera as well as off topics. Hopefully I will be able to upgrade to a higher grade camera after I get proficient with this one. I am new to photography as well. Thank you for your comments/info. Francis M. Alviar Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
No, I don't think so. It'll be at least a 4MP, and probably a 5MP camera. It's really too late already for anything as small as 3MP. Len --- > Oh, this is very bad news. Pentax is again playing catch-up on last > year's technology. They could have been ahead of the pack with the > digital MZ-S. Instead (in two years or so) we'll get something about 3 > megapixels that will turn all of our lenses into telephotos. Well, it'll > be good for sports photographers. > > Joe - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cheating
Hi, Christian, I may have told you this already, but I just bought a Minolta 16II on eBay (it's been three weeks now, and the thing still hasn't arrived yet...). I expect to have problems finding film - I don't even know if it has a cassette in it (probably not). If you ever find film or cassettes for yours, lemme know where. I may need to exploit the same source. thanks, frank "Skofteland, Christian" wrote: > I have a Minolta 16 QT that I've used in the past. I just need to get film > for it which is a nightmare. > > Christian Skofteland > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Angle of View
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > When it is said that a lens has a certain angle of view, where is point > from which the angle is measured - film plane, somewhere inside the > lens, front element? Somewhere inside the lens. I don't remember how that point is called, but suppose you have an equivalent pinhole. The point from which the angle is measured will be the pinhole. j -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Manual vs. motor/Manual focus vs. Autofocus
I do quite a bit of copy work with molights in the studio, and I find it a real handicap if the LX winder is not working. The less you touch the camera, especially when taking multiple slides, the less chance there is of screwing up the alignment. That's the only time I use a winder, if I'm not out with my autofocus gear. And, AFAIC, I've found that even with my trifocal eyeglasses, exposures are more reliably focused manually, than auto. The longer the focal length, the more reliable is the manual focus option. My 2p worth...Bob > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. > To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. > Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at > http://pug.komkon.org . > = What boots up must come down. Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
Mark Roberts fumed: > > I certainly hope you're correct. Right now I'm still > *furious* at this latest development. I spent several > thousand dollars on equipment this year, largely based > on the confidence that the digital SLR was coming and > what I bought would be compatible. Gambling on just when the cutting edge of the technology curve will produce real products in the marketplace is a risky business. And it's not just Pentax that have slipped the product schedule (which was never an official Pentax schedule, anyway); Contax are said to be having similar problems with their full-frame sensor. We, the Pentax users, feel this pain more deeply than Canon/Nikon users because we don't have any alternative K-mount digital body to tide us over until the eventual high-end bodies become reality. -- John Francis . . . . . . . . . . (650) 565-4427 MyWay.com 1070 Arastradero Rd, Palo Alto,CA 94306 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, John Francis wrote: > Longer, effectively. The lens produces an image of exactly > the same size, but only the central portion of that image > falls on the digital sensor. The effect is exactly the same > as taking the central portion of a 35mm negative and using that > to produce a standard print. One interesting possibility would be to still have a full viewfinder, with framelines, so you can see outside of the frame, as in a rangefinder. Anyone know if this is the way the Canon and Nikon bodies are designed? j -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax leadership
Sure, Pentax was a leader (hand-in-hand) with Nikon in the 60s. People seemed to like Nikon's bayonet mount but Pentax' lenses (from conversations I've had with a handful of "oldtimers"). But the technology era that began around 1980 is different than what happened earlier. Today, one-year product development cycles are unacceptable. And it takes a LOT of cash flow to fund that level of development. Canon is one of the ruling parties in office equipment. That's a good source of development funds. Pentax tried, and with some really unique products. One that I recall was a laser that would print CONTINUOUSLY. That's right -- your continuous forms could be laser printed. But alas, a wonderful product with a niche market (read "LX", "MZ-S", and whatever comes in the future from that same philosophy). Nikon gets cash flow from sheer numbers, as well as other venues. Pentax may be significant in other areas, but apparently without enough volume to generate enough cash to fund the rapid development cycles needed in this economy. The net result is that Pentax has had to save up funds to do periodic quality product insertions. LX + 10 years = PZ-1/1p. LX + 20 years = MZ-S. If we're going to stay with Pentax, we should be patient. The quality is there. Just not the rapid marketplace response that the bigger companies enjoy and make use of. my 2 farthings, Collin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Angle of View
When it is said that a lens has a certain angle of view, where is point from which the angle is measured - film plane, somewhere inside the lens, front element? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS
>P.P.S. I've requested a sample Optio 330/430 from Pentax for a >review (through a friend who works for Pentax), and if I end up >getting one I'll post ongoing updates of my findings here in advance >of the published review. My brother bought one and he let me play with it last Friday for about 30 minutes. It is pretty impressive in size and quality feel. Very tiny and seems very sturdy. It does get a little warm along the front side in one area. I have nothing to compare it to, but it certainly is no stinker. I was fairly impressed with the quality of the zoom lens. I found it strange how I had no desire to put my eye up to the viewfinder and just looked at the LCD on the back to frame the shot. It was very easy to get the picture onto a tv screen. http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Jan van Wijk remarked: > > I like the idea too, I'd rather have a 4MP K-mount digital > SLR for $2000 to $3000 in a few months (or, more realistically, in probably around a year) > than the 6MP full-frame for maybe $7000 now ... That's pretty much what I've been saying for the last six months, too. Let's face it - a digital camera becomes obsolete extremely quickly. It's bad enough if a $2000 camera turns into a $2000 paperweight in a few years, but how many of us can write off $7000 in that same time? Perhaps, once the digital camera market matures, we'll see cameras that last a while (perhaps not the 25+ years some of us are getting from out old manual bodies, but at least something in the 5-10 year range). But at present the digital camera bodies aren't quite good enough for that. They're getting good enough to be used for quite a few purposes, but with a digital body you are at best stuck with the level of technology current when the camera was built (and, to be realistic, liable to find things deteriorating as the sensor ages; pixels will fail, and the sensitivity will probably decrease). While some things on manual cameras are limiting (the 1/1000 top end speed of my MX occasionally causes me a few problems) not all of the technology is embedded in the camera; I'm getting better pictures today than I was back in 1976 because I'm able to take advantage of improvements in film emulsions. A digital camera won't be able to take advantage of improvements in sensor technology (and before any one suggests it: user-upgradable digital camera bodies aren't going to be cost effective - by the time you've changed all the expensive stuff like the sensor, memory, processors & data paths, you might as well get a whole brand new box to put the pieces in). So until the sensor technology ceases to be the limiting factor in the quality of digital images we can expect to see the cameras continuing to become obsolete at around the current rate. -- John Francis . . . . . . . . . . (650) 565-4427 MyWay.com 1070 Arastradero Rd, Palo Alto,CA 94306 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bizarro PDML!
: > A few months ago Phototechnique or 35mm Photo ( one of those magazines) > listed their version of the top 25 cameras of all time. Included in the 25 > was the Pentax Spotmatic. Why you may ask did they include it. Because, > they said, it was the life support system for those marvelous Super Takumar > lenses of the 60's and early 70's that could stand up to the best Germany > had to offer. I wrote that, I think. It was in the Nov/Dec 2000 _Photo Techniques_. The latest (2001) version of the feature was written by Bob Shell, and used nothing from my 2000 version. I'm not sure if Bob mentioned the Spotmatic or not, but I know I did. - --Mike J. - - Yep, Mike, he did as well, although they had no picture of a spotmatic so it is a bit hidden in the article. dave ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MX black mint body in UK eBay
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001, Cotty wrote: > Someone said they wanted an MX (GREAT camera BTW ;-) black? Here's one, > mint. UK dealer. > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1288350413 Yes, I saw it, it had a BIN but someone had bid on it before I got there. Now I'll have to wait for the auction end... j -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Question on SMC filters
>Does mounting a multicoated filter actually reduce lens flare, No. >or does it >just minimize the flare that would have been added by the filter itself? Yes. >In >other words, would adding an SMC filter improve performance on non-SMC >lenses in regard to flare? No, if you mean flare control. >(Only the outside element is multicoated on SMC >glass, right - so does flare just come from rays striking the first glass >surface?) Help; I'm confused. Both sides are multicoated on SMC filters. >I ask because I am thinking of buying up some of the undervalued Konica >glass out there (after great results from their 57/1.2) but, since I have >been spoiled by the SMC of Pentax glass, I am wondering how much an SMC >filter would help. Not much I am afraid. If you theory had worked, there would have been no reason to make multicoated lenses. regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
re: Cheating
That's a good idea. Keeps them from cross-breeding. Collin --- jeepgirl p.s. It's not cheating if they are in different zip codes right? So the bronica's stay at mom and dad's and the Pentax's are all at my place. Different towns. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Jan van Wijk wrote: > > On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:43:35 -0700, tom wrote: > > > > >This is all true...however, Canon and Nikon user have been happy to buy > >up D30's and D1's, so I guess Pentax believes the same of Pentax users. > >Apparently the smaller frame size sells ok, and I guess Pentax thinks > >they can make some cash. > > I like the idea too, I'd rather have a 4MP K-mount digital SLR for $2000 > to $3000 in a few months then the 6MP full-frame for maybe $7000 now ... I didn't say I liked it, I just suspect there's probably a reason for their decision. I can't believe Pentax could stay in business this long making dumb decisions. > > (and a factor of 1.3 in focal-length would suit me, using more tele than wide :-) I'm a wide guy, but I'd be happy to see a FA 14mm to match the thing. ;) Of course they need to release the FA 645 25mm fisheye and 66 Rangefinder first. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MX black mint body in UK eBay
Someone said they wanted an MX (GREAT camera BTW ;-) black? Here's one, mint. UK dealer. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1288350413 Cheers, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Question on SMC filters
Rob ... Being an eternal optimist, I asked the same question when I joined the list. Robert Wetmore wrote: > > ME: Does mounting a multicoated filter actually reduce lens flare? > > SHEL: No. > > ME: D'oh! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Manual vs. motor
>We all have our preferences, and for some they are strong preferences >(which >is perfectly legitimate) but any photographer should be able to adapt to >either manual film advance or motorized film advance. It just takes a while >to get used to it. But we are capable of adapting. I actually quite like manual film advance, at least my thumb won't become too lazy. But even for a guy who don't shoot any action stuffs, I have found auto film advance quite useful for portrait shots. I can fire a few shots at will just to get the right facial expression without delay. regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Bruce Dayton wrote: > > The price tag would be high. Could I afford one? Good question. I, too, > would be somewhat concerned with low light performance. The real > disappointment is not just that it is delayed, but I keep seeing a pattern. > Rather than driving the market, Pentax is only responding to market changes. > Response takes time. So they are always a "day late and a dollar short" as > they say. I see your point, but I kind of look at their product line as a whole. If you factor in the medium format stuff, they're actually pretty active. Plus I'd say the limited line is sort ahead of the market. At least they're not reacting to anything I know of... Anyway, Pentax is a pretty small company, as I understand it. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Question on SMC filters
ME: Does mounting a multicoated filter actually reduce lens flare? SHEL: No. ME: D'oh! It seemed too easy. I didn't realize that in SMC lenses all or many glass surfaces were coated. Thanks for the info, Shel. And thanks to the others who have responded. Rob _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: K1000
>I am new to PDML. I own a Pentax K1000. Besides being able to use a >release cord for long exposures, what other accessories are available for >use with this type of camera. I enjoy very much your postings to PDML. I >hope I can contribute my share too but I am limited to only topics >concerning my type of camera as well as off topics. Hopefully I will be >able to upgrade to a higher grade camera after I get proficient with this >one. I am new to photography as well. Thank you for your comments/info. I cannot think of any, perhaps a self-timer which can be attached to the release button. Instead of buying a new camera, perhaps you can consider some used SMC PENTAX lenses. Any K mount lenses will fit and work on K1000 (including the current AF lenses). regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Focusing alignment problem - body or lens?
Quite possible it's the problem of the MX. Often repaired Pentax 35mm SLR cameras had missing washers (between the body and the mirror assembly) or inaccurate screens. 1) If the number of washers is not correct, the lens-to-film distance would be altered. This is a very common problem when serviced by people who is no expert on Pentax SLR cameras. 2) If the screen was out of alignment (often occurred if it was not glued (3 tiny screws) after adjustment), the focus of the screen and the actual focus would be different. In either case, you can be sure the camera was serviced (poorly) and not done by Pentax, and it must be done again. Focus inaccuracy is most visible with wide angle lenses (not telephoto). regards, Alan Chan >I need some expertise to determine whether I shall return a MX or a FA 35/2 >(or both?) to focusing adjustment. Let me try to explain the problem: > >During my recent vacation I put the FA 35 on the MX to do some late evening >b/w shooting. During this I noticed that it was impossible to focus the >lens >on infinity - the lens just couldn't be turned that far. So, I tried a few >things: > >- I put the lens on the MZ-3 and tried to focus on some very distance >subjects. No problem, although that might occur since the DOF of the lens >is >big and the AF accuracy slightly smaller than the accuracy of the MX split >image. On a few occasions, the MZ-3 would focus the lens without turning >the >lens to the end (ie, changing to manual focusing it was possible to turn >the >lens a little further). >- I focussed some other lenses on the MZ-3 on distant subjects and checked >the same subject on the MX. With both the 77/1.8 and an old MF Tokina AT-X >100-300/4, the same focus setting was correct on both bodies. > >I bought both the FA 35/2 and the MX this summer, and test rolls revealed >no >visible errors. > >So, what is your opinion? Are there other tests I should perform? One >obvious thing I will do tonight is to mount the Tokina telezoom on a tripod >and focus on a faraway object with the AF body, and then switch to the MX >to >check. But, besides that? Are these kind of alignment problems common on >either lenses or (MX) bodies? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Relocating to Paris
Mike Y, How is your French? What do you know about the French culture? I wish you good luck in your assignment, both of you. From personal experience I know that the first few months can be very hard to adjust, but after that you get to really enjoy it and might find that 2 years is a bit short. Although you mention where you are going to, you didn't say where you are coming from. I would expect that the companies, either yours or your girl friends, would connect you to a company that helps you upon and even prior to your arrival, finding a place to live, assist you in filing your taxes in your home and host country, assist with getting assurance on your inventory, car, liability. Assist in getting a drivers license, buying a car. (Or perhaps you just want to use the public transport and don't bother with a car at all.) The company I work for uses PriceWaterHouseCoopers for that. I strongly advise to have at least some level of support. If an assignment fails, a lot of money is lost, so for a company sending out people it is about reducing their risk. It has given my family and myself an experience I wouldn't have wanted to miss. Frits Wüthrich mike y. informed us about the following: > > I know this is way off topic, but I'd appreciate any pointers > from someone > who's been there... > > My girlfriend and I are probably (70%) relocating to Paris for 2+ years > starting in January. Our respective companies are handling the > work visas, > her co. is picking up the moving bill, we just need to find a > place to live. > Can anyone help with online resources for apartment rentals? > Neighborhoods to stay out of (crime, price)? How are the > suburbs? My new > office will be in Velizy, her job is 80% travel through Europe. We're > headed over next month but want to have a look over the web now if > possible... > > Any replies are appreciated, off-list is fine. Sorry for posting this to > the PDML but it's the only international list I'm on and my web searches > aren't bearing much fruit. > > > Mike Y. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
Your order for the ditched 6MB or for the new one with the smaller CCD? I am not sure how to take this news. Perhaps it means the camera is more affordable? If the one that we already saw is upgradable, would it be possible it would hit the market with a smaller CCD to begin with? That might be an interesting upgrade path. However, before someone wants to buy the camera with the smaller CCD with this upgrade path in mind, he needs to be sure Pentax will have the upgrade available sometime in the future, and not ditch it. Is this all the information we have? No one with inside knowledge from Pentax? Where is Pål now we need him? Frits Wüthrich Cotty wonders: > > Does anyone think that someone from Pentax reads this list!!!??? > > Can I place my order right now? > > Cotty - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL S TORY from AP 27th OCT.
Mike wrote: >All this smacks of great good sense to me. What they're going to do is >release a smaller-CCD-size, LOWER COST, 3-5-mp digital SLR ASAP, and put >off MR-42 until both the market and the technology are more stable. > >I like the idea. What it means for the Pentax loyalist is that we will >have a potentially MUCH more affordable digital SLR to cut our teeth on, >technology we buy now will be more reliable and more tried-and-true, and >we will still be able to use all our existing lenses and system accessories. I certainly hope you're correct. Right now I'm still *furious* at this latest development. I spent several thousand dollars on equipment this year, largely based on the confidence that the digital SLR was coming and what I bought would be compatible. This sudden change, whatever the rationale, is inexcusable. Yes, digital technology is advancing at a tremendous rate and the market for it isn't stable. But in October of 2001 they can't really expect me to believe that this is NEWS to them and that it's taken them by surprise. >P.S. I have to say that I'm totally NOT sold on the idea that a "full-size" >sensor (meaning 35mm size, 24mm x 36mm) is a good idea. I am. At least if your statement that "we will still be able to use all our existing lenses" is important. It is to me and I love wide angles, so I'd be totally screwed by a smaller CCD. Hell, I'm totally pissed off just *thinking* about my recently acquired Pentax 80-200/2.8 becoming a 90-260 (I almost bought the Sigma because it went down to 70mm rather than 80). >I'm really not sure it is. A smaller sensor size is really a great advantage: >it means lenses can be significantly smaller and lighter and significantly >faster, and depth of field can be greater for a given angle of view. All >these are true advantages. I suspect that 24 x 36mm sensors will prove to >be an evolutionary dead end in the long run. Right now we think we "want" >this because it conforms to the old standards. No, I "want" it because it makes all my lenses (an investment of several thousand dollars) compatible: my 20mm will still give me the angle of view of a 20mm. >But once digital shakes free of 35mm conventions, the smaller CCD size >will seem like just one more natural advantage of digital. Having the *option* of using a smaller size CCD would certainly be an advantage. But one of the natural advantages of Pentax is backwards and forwards lens compatibility and I don't think having a 15mm lens act like a 22mm really qualifies. That said, if Pentax doesn't have *some* kind of digital SLR on the market by spring I think they'll have missed the boat for good. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:43:35 -0700, tom wrote: > >This is all true...however, Canon and Nikon user have been happy to buy >up D30's and D1's, so I guess Pentax believes the same of Pentax users. >Apparently the smaller frame size sells ok, and I guess Pentax thinks >they can make some cash. I like the idea too, I'd rather have a 4MP K-mount digital SLR for $2000 to $3000 in a few months then the 6MP full-frame for maybe $7000 now ... (and a factor of 1.3 in focal-length would suit me, using more tele than wide :-) Build quality and speed (frame-rate, shutter-delay etc) DO matter though ... Regards, Jan van Wijk - Jan van Wijk; www.fsys.demon.nl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: RE: MZ-s
In mid September a Pentax rep here in California said the AF360 would be released in November. Ken "David Hatfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Mark, > >If you can cancel your order with Ritz you might want to check the following >address > http://www.netphotostore.com/index.php?expand=2256 > >Ritz's price is $279 for the flash with NetPhoto offering it at $209. It's >still "order it and we'll ship it to you when it comes in" but it is about >$70 cheaper allowing for shipping costs. > >Dave > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On >Behalf Of Mark Cassino >Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:49 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: MZ-s > >I can only say that I've used my Mz-S quite a bit, and have no problems to >report. I very often shoot with the 2 second mirror pre-fire, and that's >caused no problems. > >As for film jaming on re-wind - that has not happened on my Mz-S but I have >had it happen a couple of times with my Pz-1p, but these were rolls that >had been partially used, re-wound, and then re-loaded and advanced to their >former setting. I think that the film itself may jam under some >circumstances. > >Now - if only I could find an AF360FTZ to have flash compensation I'd be >really happy. (I have one on order with Ritz camera, but apparently they >cannot get them from Pentax.) > >- MCC > >At 09:23 PM 10/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >>I have decided to take the plunge and trade in my Z1p and MZ5n for the >MZ-s. >>Having heard about overlapping frames and the rewind giving up and LCD >going >>wonkers when using 2 sec mlu, I am just a little bit reluctant, have any of >>you heard of corrective measures that Pentax has undertaken to solve these >>problems? >> >>Thanking you all in advance >>Nicolas Colarusso >>Montreal, Canada. >>- >>This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >>go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >>visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > >- - - - - - - - - - >Mark Cassino >Kalamazoo, MI >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >- - - - - - - - - - >Photos: >http://www.markcassino.com >- - - - - - - - - - >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Manual vs. motor
Evan Hanson wrote: > > Funny you should mention it. I was just reading an interview > with Annie Leibovitz (http://fototapeta.art.pl/fti-ale.html) > in which she mentions a bonus of motor drives that had never > occured to me. If your left eyed; like I am, you dont have > to move your face away from the camera to advance the film. > Evan That's the primary reason why I have winders for my M-bodies; not only am I left-eyed, I also wear glasses, making it even more difficult to advance the film manually. -- John Francis . . . . . . . . . . (650) 565-4427 MyWay.com 1070 Arastradero Rd, Palo Alto,CA 94306 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Ah... that's what I thought. > > only the central portion of that image > falls on the digital sensor. The effect is exactly the same > as taking the central portion of a 35mm negative and using that > to produce a standard print. > Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
Mike wrote... > P.S. I have to say that I'm totally NOT sold on the idea that a "full-size" > sensor (meaning 35mm size, 24mm x 36mm) is a good idea. I'm really not sure > it is. A smaller sensor size is really a great advantage: it means lenses > can be significantly smaller and lighter and significantly faster, and depth > of field can be greater for a given angle of view. All these are true > advantages. I suspect that 24 x 36mm sensors will prove to be an > evolutionary dead end in the long run. Right now we think we "want" this > because it conforms to the old standards. But once digital shakes free of > 35mm conventions, the smaller CCD size will seem like just one more natural > advantage of digital. > That was, in part, where I was coming from with my earlier ignorant post. The only real reason for wanting a full frame CCD is so that the resulting image size matches 1-to-1 with film (and as explained to me, that lenses render the image the same as film with the same focal length lenses). When we get down to it, it's not the size of the 35mm frame that renders a high quality photo or not (stating the obvious... sorry). It's the overall quality of the lenses and recording device, regardless of the dimensions of the frame size. Certainly a CCD of higher density is overall more important than it's dimensions. I can certainly understand the desirability of a digital body that performs like it's 35mm counterpart using the same lenses. In the end though, the resulting image matters more than anything else. When I pick up a digital camera, I'm not paying attention to focal length really. I'm paying attention to what I see in the viewfinder. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
The price tag would be high. Could I afford one? Good question. I, too, would be somewhat concerned with low light performance. The real disappointment is not just that it is delayed, but I keep seeing a pattern. Rather than driving the market, Pentax is only responding to market changes. Response takes time. So they are always a "day late and a dollar short" as they say. While I really like my MZ-S, I could of had an F100 quite a while ago or an N80 more recently or a D1 or D1 follow ons, etc. In the meantime, I can read about what Pentax might do. To start and stop and start and stop, doesn't get much product to market. Sorry for the rant. I just worked for the last 10 years for a company that was always a day late and a dollar short on their product. It was frustrating to never be ahead of the curve and to always explain why being behind was a *good* thing. There is a difference between just surviving and actually thriving. Bruce Dayton - Original Message - From: "tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:43 PM Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one > Snip< >>Bruce wrote: > > So now I look at a company who appears not to want to compete in this arena > > coupled with me having to revamp part of my system. Sure pushes me to want > > to look at competitors who are competing and providing equipment at a much > > faster rate. > >Tom wrote: > I can see your point. I too am disappointed that the full frame ccd will > not be made available when they said it would. > > Just out of curiousity, would you have paid $7000 for the full frame > version? I don't think I would have unless it had good sensitivity down > around EI 800 or 1600. > > BTW, as I understand it, the full frame version hasn't been scrapped, > it's been delayed. > > tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cheating
Mike Johnston wrote: > > JCO wrote: > > > What else are you guys using? > > I currently use an ME Super with a 50/1.4 M, Tri-X developed in D-76 1+1, > and a Carl Zeiss S-Orthoplanar 60mm f/4 enlarging lens, I *really* shouldn't ask, but what's the deal with the enlarging lens? I've never heard of it. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
See below > -Original Message- > From: Mike Johnston [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 3:37 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT. > > Cotty wrote: > > > News in AP regarding the Pentax Digital. Scrapping launch of Pentax 6 MP > > digital slr in favour of lower-end digital k mount slr more along the > > lines of the Canon D30 and Fuji S1. First appearance will probably be > > next year's PMA. > > > And then in another post: > > > Does anyone think that someone from Pentax reads this list!!!??? > > Of course. They're smart folks. > > I have reason to believe that Pentax is not SCRAPPING the 6-mp 1:1 size > SLR, > but rather delaying it. If I'm right in my supposition that PART of the > reason for developing the MZ-S was to have a new modern body on which to > base digital SLRs, then the R&D expended certainly represents a major > investment even for a company the size of Pentax, and a higher risk than > the > typical introduction of a new 35mm SLR (even a high-end one). Pentax is > certainly researching the market and attempting to adapt to the market as > carefully and intelligently as possible. > > What Pentax is telling us with this latest news is that it's seeing that > "ultimate" digital SLRs in a fast-changing market are not repaying > development costs, and most consumer have a greater interest in more > affordable equipment. > > Also, I suspect there are frustrating delays in the perfecting of the 6-mp > chip. Pentax has both a well-designed SLR camera base AND a good 3- and > 4-mp > sensors NOW (and may 5 mp, who knows?), so there's really no reason for it > to sit on its hands and wait, wait, wait, for the vaporware 6-mp version > to > be ready. It can build and offer for sale a very good medium-level digital > system SLR soon, and so it's going to do so. > > All this smacks of great good sense to me. What they're going to do is > release a smaller-CCD-size, LOWER COST, 3-5-mp digital SLR ASAP, and put > off > MR-42 until both the market and the technology are more stable. > > I like the idea. What it means for the Pentax loyalist is that we will > have > a potentially MUCH more affordable digital SLR to cut our teeth on, > technology we buy now will be more reliable and more tried-and-true, and > we > will still be able to use all our existing lenses and system accessories. > > All of this represents an "educated guess" on my part. > > --Mike J. > > P.S. I have to say that I'm totally NOT sold on the idea that a > "full-size" > sensor (meaning 35mm size, 24mm x 36mm) is a good idea. I'm really not > sure > it is. A smaller sensor size is really a great advantage: it means lenses > can be significantly smaller and lighter and significantly faster, and > depth > of field can be greater for a given angle of view. All these are true > advantages. I suspect that 24 x 36mm sensors will prove to be an > evolutionary dead end in the long run. Right now we think we "want" this > because it conforms to the old standards. But once digital shakes free of > 35mm conventions, the smaller CCD size will seem like just one more > natural > advantage of digital. > > P.P.S. I've requested a sample Optio 330/430 from Pentax for a review > (through a friend who works for Pentax), and if I end up getting one I'll > post ongoing updates of my findings here in advance of the published > review. > > P.P.S. In issue #3 of The 37th Frame newsletter (www.37thframe.com), I'm > going to be presenting a review of the Canon S800 photo printer (an > expanded > review will also appear on photo.net), and if I can afford to I'll be > including an original S800 inkjet print in the newsletter so subscribers > can > see with their own eyes. If I can get the necessary permissions, I hope to > make the sample a Pentax Optio 330 or 430 picture, and thus kill two > birds, > you might say, with one stone, since the sample picture could then act to > augment a future Optio review. We'll see if this all works out. > - > >>Mike, You have mentioned something above that I have heard people talking about. The new design of lenses for the smaller CCD. There are inumerous possibilities in terms of not haveing a preconception of size and all. You are correct in saying that we think in terms of 35mm format since that is where we have our money invested in terms of lenses. This is the main reason I am looking forward to a Pentax digital SLR. I have four Nikon lenses with my F3HP, but I think only one of them is AI. Looking at the manual for the D1? these lenses are not compatible with them. So, other than Pentax any system I look at will mean a complete system in terms of camera, lenses, memory, not to mention computer-related items. I have been enjoying my Nikon Coolpix 950, but miss the control I have with my SLRs. I am ready for the next step in digital photography - with t
Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Wasn't there a time when Pentax actually cared about being a leader? Are they now content with always following (more and more distantly), at best offering products close to the others and cheaper? This would be sad. If they simply don't have the might to compete against N and C* anymore, at least they could do one thing really well - in the digital realm, this could have been the full-frame CCD SLR. Is Pentax to become the next Contax, who was fifteen (or however many) years late with autofocus? Maybe Pentax will release a fantastic digital SLR in 2016 when almost nobody remembers who Pentax is. In any case, they really have to release something serious soon or they'll be wiped off the map. (I don't care about digital products too much, I just want them to stay in business so that they can make lenses and film cameras for a while longer.) Olympus seems to be a model of a company managing their resources well and focusing on certain distinct areas very wisely. Pentax brand loyalty goes pretty far - the next couple years may be a test of just how far. >Good point but if Pentax does "We're no worse than the >rest" but it costs less ( we hope ). [Brendan] Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: Question on SMC filters
A multicoated filter does not reduce flare other than produced by the filter itself. Multicoated lenses are usually wholly multicoated so that also the internal surfaces are multicoated - but all surfaces may not have the same number or similar types of coatings. Actually the internal reflections are the most detrimental to image quality but even a single coating reduces these significantly. So you may like to test the Konica lens and see for yourself. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Robert Wetmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 22. lokakuuta 2001 20:26 Aihe: Question on SMC filters >Hello, all...let me ask a question which will display my ignorance of >optical principles: > >Does mounting a multicoated filter actually reduce lens flare, or does it >just minimize the flare that would have been added by the filter itself? In >other words, would adding an SMC filter improve performance on non-SMC >lenses in regard to flare? (Only the outside element is multicoated on SMC >glass, right - so does flare just come from rays striking the first glass >surface?) Help; I'm confused. > >I ask because I am thinking of buying up some of the undervalued Konica >glass out there (after great results from their 57/1.2) but, since I have >been spoiled by the SMC of Pentax glass, I am wondering how much an SMC >filter would help. > >Thanks, >Rob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Bruce Dayton wrote: > > The big advantage to a full frame CCD is that our existing wide angle lenses > will remain as such. Nothing quite so exciting as having your 20mm behave > like it was a 35mm. So, if I have to buy some new lenses (I like wides), > then why buy Pentax. It seems to me, that lens compatibility with my > *existing* lenses is a big reason to consider a digital Pentax. This is all true...however, Canon and Nikon user have been happy to buy up D30's and D1's, so I guess Pentax believes the same of Pentax users. Apparently the smaller frame size sells ok, and I guess Pentax thinks they can make some cash. > So now I look at a company who appears not to want to compete in this arena > coupled with me having to revamp part of my system. Sure pushes me to want > to look at competitors who are competing and providing equipment at a much > faster rate. I can see your point. I too am disappointed that the full frame ccd will not be made available when they said it would. Just out of curiousity, would you have paid $7000 for the full frame version? I don't think I would have unless it had good sensitivity down around EI 800 or 1600. BTW, as I understand it, the full frame version hasn't been scrapped, it's been delayed. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Question on SMC filters
Nope, adding anoter air/glass interface won't reduce overall flare of any lens that I know of. Better to use a larger deeper lens hood. Compendium hoods, like those used on medium format cameras are probably the best. Len --- -Original Message- From: Robert Wetmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Question on SMC filters Hello, all...let me ask a question which will display my ignorance of optical principles: Does mounting a multicoated filter actually reduce lens flare, or does it just minimize the flare that would have been added by the filter itself? In other words, would adding an SMC filter improve performance on non-SMC lenses in regard to flare? (Only the outside element is multicoated on SMC glass, right - so does flare just come from rays striking the first glass surface?) Help; I'm confused. I ask because I am thinking of buying up some of the undervalued Konica glass out there (after great results from their 57/1.2) but, since I have been spoiled by the SMC of Pentax glass, I am wondering how much an SMC filter would help. Thanks, Rob _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
Cotty wrote: > News in AP regarding the Pentax Digital. Scrapping launch of Pentax 6 MP > digital slr in favour of lower-end digital k mount slr more along the > lines of the Canon D30 and Fuji S1. First appearance will probably be > next year's PMA. And then in another post: > Does anyone think that someone from Pentax reads this list!!!??? Of course. They're smart folks. I have reason to believe that Pentax is not SCRAPPING the 6-mp 1:1 size SLR, but rather delaying it. If I'm right in my supposition that PART of the reason for developing the MZ-S was to have a new modern body on which to base digital SLRs, then the R&D expended certainly represents a major investment even for a company the size of Pentax, and a higher risk than the typical introduction of a new 35mm SLR (even a high-end one). Pentax is certainly researching the market and attempting to adapt to the market as carefully and intelligently as possible. What Pentax is telling us with this latest news is that it's seeing that "ultimate" digital SLRs in a fast-changing market are not repaying development costs, and most consumer have a greater interest in more affordable equipment. Also, I suspect there are frustrating delays in the perfecting of the 6-mp chip. Pentax has both a well-designed SLR camera base AND a good 3- and 4-mp sensors NOW (and may 5 mp, who knows?), so there's really no reason for it to sit on its hands and wait, wait, wait, for the vaporware 6-mp version to be ready. It can build and offer for sale a very good medium-level digital system SLR soon, and so it's going to do so. All this smacks of great good sense to me. What they're going to do is release a smaller-CCD-size, LOWER COST, 3-5-mp digital SLR ASAP, and put off MR-42 until both the market and the technology are more stable. I like the idea. What it means for the Pentax loyalist is that we will have a potentially MUCH more affordable digital SLR to cut our teeth on, technology we buy now will be more reliable and more tried-and-true, and we will still be able to use all our existing lenses and system accessories. All of this represents an "educated guess" on my part. --Mike J. P.S. I have to say that I'm totally NOT sold on the idea that a "full-size" sensor (meaning 35mm size, 24mm x 36mm) is a good idea. I'm really not sure it is. A smaller sensor size is really a great advantage: it means lenses can be significantly smaller and lighter and significantly faster, and depth of field can be greater for a given angle of view. All these are true advantages. I suspect that 24 x 36mm sensors will prove to be an evolutionary dead end in the long run. Right now we think we "want" this because it conforms to the old standards. But once digital shakes free of 35mm conventions, the smaller CCD size will seem like just one more natural advantage of digital. P.P.S. I've requested a sample Optio 330/430 from Pentax for a review (through a friend who works for Pentax), and if I end up getting one I'll post ongoing updates of my findings here in advance of the published review. P.P.S. In issue #3 of The 37th Frame newsletter (www.37thframe.com), I'm going to be presenting a review of the Canon S800 photo printer (an expanded review will also appear on photo.net), and if I can afford to I'll be including an original S800 inkjet print in the newsletter so subscribers can see with their own eyes. If I can get the necessary permissions, I hope to make the sample a Pentax Optio 330 or 430 picture, and thus kill two birds, you might say, with one stone, since the sample picture could then act to augment a future Optio review. We'll see if this all works out. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: MZ-s
Mark, If you can cancel your order with Ritz you might want to check the following address > http://www.netphotostore.com/index.php?expand=2256 Ritz's price is $279 for the flash with NetPhoto offering it at $209. It's still "order it and we'll ship it to you when it comes in" but it is about $70 cheaper allowing for shipping costs. Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Cassino Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 10:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MZ-s I can only say that I've used my Mz-S quite a bit, and have no problems to report. I very often shoot with the 2 second mirror pre-fire, and that's caused no problems. As for film jaming on re-wind - that has not happened on my Mz-S but I have had it happen a couple of times with my Pz-1p, but these were rolls that had been partially used, re-wound, and then re-loaded and advanced to their former setting. I think that the film itself may jam under some circumstances. Now - if only I could find an AF360FTZ to have flash compensation I'd be really happy. (I have one on order with Ritz camera, but apparently they cannot get them from Pentax.) - MCC At 09:23 PM 10/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >I have decided to take the plunge and trade in my Z1p and MZ5n for the MZ-s. >Having heard about overlapping frames and the rewind giving up and LCD going >wonkers when using 2 sec mlu, I am just a little bit reluctant, have any of >you heard of corrective measures that Pentax has undertaken to solve these >problems? > >Thanking you all in advance >Nicolas Colarusso >Montreal, Canada. >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Manual vs. motor
Funny you should mention it. I was just reading an interview with Annie Leibovitz (http://fototapeta.art.pl/fti-ale.html) in which she mentions a bonus of motor drives that had never occured to me. If your left eyed; like I am, you dont have to move your face away from the camera to advance the film. Evan - Original Message - From: "Mike Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:24 PM Subject: Manual vs. motor > We all have our preferences, and for some they are strong preferences (which > is perfectly legitimate) but any photographer should be able to adapt to > either manual film advance or motorized film advance. It just takes a while > to get used to it. But we are capable of adapting. > > --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Shel Belinkoff asked: > > Do other quality digital cameras offer FF CCD that can be > used with the lenses from their SLRs? No - all current digital SLRs built around 35mm bodies have sensors smaller than full frame. This gives a focal length multiplier for all lenses - somewhere between 1.3 and 1.5 is typical for the most recent modles (more on earlier models). > What happens with a telephoto lens - is, for example, a 300mm > lens longer or shorter when used with a less than FF CCD? Longer, effectively. The lens produces an image of exactly the same size, but only the central portion of that image falls on the digital sensor. The effect is exactly the same as taking the central portion of a 35mm negative and using that to produce a standard print. The one good thing is that the f-stop remains the same; that 300mm/f2.8, used on the latest bodies, acts like a 400mm/2.8. (Caveat: on some digital bodies there was an absolute maximum aperture limit from the internal camera design, so some lenses can not be used at their full aperture. I don't believe any of the recent bodies suffer from this problem). > Also, how does Fuji (?) get 6mp from a CCD that is only rated at 3mp? By interpolation (a less charitable answer would be 'by lying'). > Doesn't that screw with quality, especially with larger prints? Yes (according to reviews posted on the digital camera review sites). -- John Francis . . . . . . . . . . (650) 565-4427 MyWay.com 1070 Arastradero Rd, Palo Alto,CA 94306 Hello. My name is Darth Vader. I am your Father. Prepare to die. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Question on SMC filters
Robert Wetmore wrote: > Does mounting a multicoated filter > actually reduce lens flare, No > or does it just minimize the flare > that would have been added by the > filter itself? Yes > would adding an SMC filter improve > performance on non-SMC lenses in regard to flare? No > (Only the outside element is multicoated > on SMC glass, right Wrong - so does flare just come from rays > striking the first glass surface?) No, all surfaces contribute to flare or light loss. visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Cheating
Mike, Have you tried the new Epson Color Life paper? It's a semigloss that also is supposedly quite archivable. Bill, KG4LOV > JCO wrote: > > > What else are you guys using? > > > I currently use an ME Super with a 50/1.4 M, Tri-X developed in D-76 1+1, > and a Carl Zeiss S-Orthoplanar 60mm f/4 enlarging lens, > > and > > an Olympus C-3040z digital p/s with a 35-105mm f/1.8-2.6 lens, printed on a > Canon S800 on Epson Archival Matte paper. > > --Mike > > P.S. This will doubtless change soon... :-) > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Photography Blue Book normal lens test
Does anyone have an opinion on these tests (in which Pentax faired mediocre) or the testing methods? The link below requires pasting two sections: "http://server2039.virtualave.net/canadar2/LensTests/ LensTestIndex007.htm#f1.2" I know tests are just tests and all that... Rob _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
The 'magnification' factor is one of the reasons I have not truly looked at a digital SLR. I have started to enjoy wide angle shooting and would not relish having to get a 17mm to get a 25mm. And I have heard of the problems with distortion with the 17mms. People have corrected this with photo s/w but again something I do not relish doing. Another aspect of the 'magnification' factor is that with only the central part of the lens being used people have been finding they have to really watch the shutter speed as any motion is more noticeable since the image is enlarged more to get the same size image as with a non-digital SLR. Though people point out that you are using the 'sweet spot' of lenses if you are not using toward the edges. By the end of next month I should have the possibility to begin spending some time with a Nikon D1x and D1H here at work. I am still looking at Pentax since most of my lenses are in that system and I love the glass I have. César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Dayton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 2:54 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one > > Currently, no SLR on the shelf from Nikon or Canon has a full frame CCD. > Telephoto lenses are also multiplied. If you shoot lots of telephoto, > this > could be an advantage. The point I was making was that part of the reason > to use Pentax is that I already have the lenses. But if the CCD isn't > full > frame, then I will have to do some changes on the wide end. If I am going > to make changes, it gives me more reason to look seriously at the > competition. > > Bruce Dayton > > - Original Message - > From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one > > > > Do other quality digital cameras offer FF CCD that can be used with the > > lenses from their SLRs? What happens with a telephoto lens - is, for > > example, a 300mm lens longer or shorter when used with a less than FF > > CCD? > > > > Also, how does Fuji (?) get 6mp from a CCD that is only rated at 3mp? > > Doesn't that screw with quality, especially with larger prints? > > > > Bruce Dayton wrote: > > > > > > The big advantage to a full frame CCD is that our existing wide angle > lenses > > > will remain as such. Nothing quite so exciting as having your 20mm > behave > > > like it was a 35mm. So, if I have to buy some new lenses (I like > wides), > > > then why buy Pentax. It seems to me, that lens compatibility with my > > > *existing* lenses is a big reason to consider a digital Pentax. > > > > > > So now I look at a company who appears not to want to compete in this > arena > > > coupled with me having to revamp part of my system. Sure pushes me to > want > > > to look at competitors who are competing and providing equipment at a > much > > > faster rate. > > > > -- > > Shel Belinkoff > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
aimcompute wrote: > > Bruce wrote: > Probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. > > I think I understand that a perceived advantage to using a full frame CCD > was that the CCD captures the entire scene entering the camera thru the > lens. Is this correct? > Nope, The full CCD means that your 28-70 mm lens is still 28-70 mm. If CCD is smaller than 35 mm frame that means your 28 mm lens is longer than that. There is a multiplication factor to get the 35 mm equivalent focal distance. The main disadvantage of that is, if you want a 28 mm equivalent you probably needs a 17 mm lens. Alex -- --- Alexandre A. P. Suaide, PhD mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] STAR/EMC group Phone: (WSU) (313) 577-5419 Wayne State University (BNL) (631) 344-7635 --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Back to budget lighting....
Thanks to all who responded to my original posting regarding lighting on a budget! To show my ignorance I'll admit that I didn't realize you could use an "on-camera" electronic flash as an "off-camera" flash so I come back to you with a question of whether this is possible or not with my current flash. I have a ProMaster FTD 7000m (http://www.promaster.com). For those who don't want to take the time to look at the site I'll provide the basic specs off the site: Guide Number: 138 (100 ISO) *TTL Auto Range: 2-99' (100 ISO) *Power Source: 4 AA Alkaline Batteries *Recycle Time: 0.3-10 Seconds *Motorized Zoom - 24mm-105mm *AF Illuminator for Autofocusing *Bounce Angle: -7° to 90° *Full TTL Dedication *Swivel Angle: 0° to 180° *Front & Rear Flash Ready Light *Flash Modes: TTL Auto, Manual, Multiple, *Multifunction LCD Display Panel Modeling, Slave/Remote Now the Slave/Remote is not the normal cable connection. It came with a little stand that allows me to stand it off to the side and when using a my ZX-5n's built in flash it will sense when it goes off and then go off. Do any of you think it would be possible to set up this flash with a homemade softbox or even a photo umbrella? Meaning, could I have the Promaster flash close to my subject (wife, kids) swivel it 180 degrees and and then have it just go off by reading my ZX-5n's flash? For now I'd probably be using just my Pentax 80-200 until I can afford a faster lens. If you think it is possible I'd be curious as to which film you would recommend. I just received my order of Portra 160 and would like to use this if possible. On another note, if I'm using just normal lighting (i.e. lamps) do I need a special filter like an 80a when using color film (e.g. - Kodak Portra 160, Royal Gold 400)? thanks again to all of you! Delano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
The big advantage to a full frame CCD is that our existing wide angle lenses will remain as such. Nothing quite so exciting as having your 20mm behave like it was a 35mm. So, if I have to buy some new lenses (I like wides), then why buy Pentax. It seems to me, that lens compatibility with my *existing* lenses is a big reason to consider a digital Pentax. So now I look at a company who appears not to want to compete in this arena coupled with me having to revamp part of my system. Sure pushes me to want to look at competitors who are competing and providing equipment at a much faster rate. Bruce Dayton - Original Message - From: "aimcompute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one >snip< > > Probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. > > I think I understand that a perceived advantage to using a full frame CCD > was that the CCD captures the entire scene entering the camera thru the > lens. Is this correct? > > It seems to me that the real issue is, do I like the results I get... does > the captured scene match my vision through the viewfinder. Does the frame > size really matter that much? > > Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Good point but if Pentax does "We're no worse than the rest" but it costs less ( we hope ). --- Bruce Dayton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My concern is if you are going to do no better than > the competition, and > they are more entrenched, how are you going to > compete. The motto "We're no > worse than the rest" comes to mind. > > A full frame CCD was, IMHO, one of the big > differences between the Pentax > and a D30 or D1. Pentax may be able to sell a > lesser model to some of us, > but it will *not* lure Canon and Nikon users away. > You don't really gain > any market share. At best, you may hang on to what > you have. But it seems > that you are sending the same old signal, "we will > not compete." > > Gives all of use considering digital more reason to > examine Nikon and Canon > offerings. > > Bruce Dayton > > > - Original Message - > From: "Brendan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:18 AM > Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one > > > > This might be a good thing!! a decent d30 class > > digital SLR may get more K-mount development > going. > > > > --- tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Rob Brigham wrote: > > > > > > > > So we go from 6MP release this year to 3MP > first > > > glimpse next year (and > > > > probably released 2003!). This is not good > > > Pentax!! > > > > > > Plus the ccd is probably not full-frame. > > > > > > tv > > > - > > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at > http://mail.yahoo.ca Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Bruce wrote: > My concern is if you are going to do no better than the competition, and > they are more entrenched, how are you going to compete. The motto "We're no > worse than the rest" comes to mind. Agreed. I guess all they want to do is have some offering, no matter what. > > A full frame CCD was, IMHO, one of the big differences between the Pentax > and a D30 or D1. Pentax may be able to sell a lesser model to some of us, > but it will *not* lure Canon and Nikon users away. You don't really gain > any market share. At best, you may hang on to what you have. But it seems > that you are sending the same old signal, "we will not compete." > Probably a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. I think I understand that a perceived advantage to using a full frame CCD was that the CCD captures the entire scene entering the camera thru the lens. Is this correct? It seems to me that the real issue is, do I like the results I get... does the captured scene match my vision through the viewfinder. Does the frame size really matter that much? Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
My concern is if you are going to do no better than the competition, and they are more entrenched, how are you going to compete. The motto "We're no worse than the rest" comes to mind. A full frame CCD was, IMHO, one of the big differences between the Pentax and a D30 or D1. Pentax may be able to sell a lesser model to some of us, but it will *not* lure Canon and Nikon users away. You don't really gain any market share. At best, you may hang on to what you have. But it seems that you are sending the same old signal, "we will not compete." Gives all of use considering digital more reason to examine Nikon and Canon offerings. Bruce Dayton - Original Message - From: "Brendan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one > This might be a good thing!! a decent d30 class > digital SLR may get more K-mount development going. > > --- tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rob Brigham wrote: > > > > > > So we go from 6MP release this year to 3MP first > > glimpse next year (and > > > probably released 2003!). This is not good > > Pentax!! > > > > Plus the ccd is probably not full-frame. > > > > tv > > - > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
This might be a good thing!! a decent d30 class digital SLR may get more K-mount development going. --- tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rob Brigham wrote: > > > > So we go from 6MP release this year to 3MP first > glimpse next year (and > > probably released 2003!). This is not good > Pentax!! > > Plus the ccd is probably not full-frame. > > tv > - Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Help with MZ-S AF hunting problem
Alternatively, use a faster lens. The Tamron 28-200 is an f4 - f5.6 or something like that isn't it? When shooting in low light try an f2.8 or faster lens. My 28-70 f2.8 allows me to shoot in relatively low light with no hunting on my MZ-S. Cheers, Mike. Kent Gittings wrote: >You need a more modern flash with an AF spotbeam projector as an aid. >AF240FT, AF330FTZ, or AF500FTZ. Or one of the newer ones made for the MZ-S. >The problem with using an AF280T is that you lose some of the modern >functionality that the camera can provide in flash modes. Pentax decided to >not include the function built in on the MZ-S because of the improved low >light performance of the new system. Doesn't mean it won't benefit in some >situations from having a spotbeam available. >Kent Gittings > >-Original Message- >My MZ-S occasionally hunts forever when taking indoor flash pictures, and >pic opportunities are annoyingly lost because the camera won't fire before >the AF locks in. This occurs even in areas that are well lit with overhead >flourescent lights. Any suggestions (other than using manual focus) would >be appreciated. > >Equip: > >- MZ-S >- Tamron 28-200 XR (<== fantastic lense!) >- Built-in flash or shoe-mounted AF-280T > >John Karasch - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
Rob Brigham wrote: > > So we go from 6MP release this year to 3MP first glimpse next year (and > probably released 2003!). This is not good Pentax!! Plus the ccd is probably not full-frame. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: photographic magazine.....
Hi Nagaraj, I can only vouch for Amateur Photgrapher. I'm only interested in the news bits, biographies and book reviews, although the reviews are pretty good, I only give them a glance really. Nice competition results pics, a few wannabees getting their stuff onto a page, the odd camera club highlight. Oh yeah, the ads - the ads are fabulous - worth getting it just for the ads! They ship abroad, rates to 'Middle-East' are £118 per year (51 issues) and to 'Far East' are £138. India might scrape into 'Middle' ?? Call +44 (0) 1444 475675 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info regarding payment. Hey I should get a finder's fee! Cheers, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
Interesting I guess it makes sense. Up to now. digital photography has never really been about "quality". I find the Fuji Super CCD technology somewhat of a joke. You can't end up with more raw material than you start with. Tom C. - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 10:11 AM Subject: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT. > From Amateur Photographer (27 Oct): > > 'Pentax set to scrap plan for flagship digital launch' > > 'Pentax is likely to shelve plans to launch a 6 MP flagship digital > camera in favour of a 'lower-end' SLR to be unveiled next year. > > 'Pentax UK's John Dickins admitted that Pentax wants to move away from > the 'cost no object, best quality possible' area of the digital arena > because, he said, 'things change so fast we have to change direction'. He > claimed: 'What seems to be happening is that cameras like the Canon D30 > and the Fuji S1 Pro are creating much more consumer interest than cameras > at the higher end of the scale'. The Fuji S1 Pro uses the company's Super > CCD technology to increase the image file size to 6.1 megapixels. The > camera itself uses a 3.34 million pixel CCD. > > 'Commenting on the expected launch of a new 'consumer' SLR next year, he > added: 'I don't know the exact details but what we are talking about is > something interesting like the Fuji S1 Pro or the Canon D30. > > 'The announcement comes a week after [Amateur Photographer] reported on > delays in launching the high-end camera, codenamed MR-52, which had been > due to appear in UK stores last month. > > 'When it was first announced at last year's Photokina trade show in > Germany the camera was billed by Pentax as a 'high-spec' model based on > the company's 35mm SLRs. It was to be compatible with Pentax K-mount > lenses and to use a digital chip jointly developed with Philips. > > 'However, Dickins denied that Pentax was lowering it's target market. 'We > are just broadening it,' he insisted. > > 'Though he did not know when the camera will be out in the UK, Dickins > confirmed it would probably make it's first appearance at next year's PMA > show in the US. > > 'Pentax also recently ditched plans to launch a 3.43 MP SLR to be called > the El-3000, a camera it developed with Hewlett-Packard. Instead, as > [Amateur Photographer] reported last week, Pentax wanted to concentrate > on launching the Optio 330 digital compact because it felt that the 'ease > of use' and small size of the Optio would more fully meet customer needs.' > > ** > > Amateur Photographer is a really great magazine and I subscribe and I > love it to bits, so please don't sue me for reproducing that report!!! > Honest!!! > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one
So we go from 6MP release this year to 3MP first glimpse next year (and probably released 2003!). This is not good Pentax!! > -Original Message- > From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 22 October 2001 16:52 > To: Pentax List > Subject: Pentax Digital NEWS! Part one > > > News in AP regarding the Pentax Digital. Scrapping launch of > Pentax 6 MP > digital slr in favour of lower-end digital k mount slr more along the > lines of the Canon D30 and Fuji S1. First appearance will probably be > next year's PMA. Full story soon - It'll take me a few > minutes to type it > all in... > > Cotty > > ___ > Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Check out the UK Macintosh ads > www.macads.co.uk > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Cheating
I have a Minolta 16 QT that I've used in the past. I just need to get film for it which is a nightmare. Christian Skofteland - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Relocating to Paris
I know this is way off topic, but I'd appreciate any pointers from someone who's been there... My girlfriend and I are probably (70%) relocating to Paris for 2+ years starting in January. Our respective companies are handling the work visas, her co. is picking up the moving bill, we just need to find a place to live. Can anyone help with online resources for apartment rentals? Neighborhoods to stay out of (crime, price)? How are the suburbs? My new office will be in Velizy, her job is 80% travel through Europe. We're headed over next month but want to have a look over the web now if possible... Any replies are appreciated, off-list is fine. Sorry for posting this to the PDML but it's the only international list I'm on and my web searches aren't bearing much fruit. Mike Y. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
Does anyone think that someone from Pentax reads this list!!!??? Can I place my order right now? Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pentax Digital NEWS - FULL STORY from AP 27th OCT.
>From Amateur Photographer (27 Oct): 'Pentax set to scrap plan for flagship digital launch' 'Pentax is likely to shelve plans to launch a 6 MP flagship digital camera in favour of a 'lower-end' SLR to be unveiled next year. 'Pentax UK's John Dickins admitted that Pentax wants to move away from the 'cost no object, best quality possible' area of the digital arena because, he said, 'things change so fast we have to change direction'. He claimed: 'What seems to be happening is that cameras like the Canon D30 and the Fuji S1 Pro are creating much more consumer interest than cameras at the higher end of the scale'. The Fuji S1 Pro uses the company's Super CCD technology to increase the image file size to 6.1 megapixels. The camera itself uses a 3.34 million pixel CCD. 'Commenting on the expected launch of a new 'consumer' SLR next year, he added: 'I don't know the exact details but what we are talking about is something interesting like the Fuji S1 Pro or the Canon D30. 'The announcement comes a week after [Amateur Photographer] reported on delays in launching the high-end camera, codenamed MR-52, which had been due to appear in UK stores last month. 'When it was first announced at last year's Photokina trade show in Germany the camera was billed by Pentax as a 'high-spec' model based on the company's 35mm SLRs. It was to be compatible with Pentax K-mount lenses and to use a digital chip jointly developed with Philips. 'However, Dickins denied that Pentax was lowering it's target market. 'We are just broadening it,' he insisted. 'Though he did not know when the camera will be out in the UK, Dickins confirmed it would probably make it's first appearance at next year's PMA show in the US. 'Pentax also recently ditched plans to launch a 3.43 MP SLR to be called the El-3000, a camera it developed with Hewlett-Packard. Instead, as [Amateur Photographer] reported last week, Pentax wanted to concentrate on launching the Optio 330 digital compact because it felt that the 'ease of use' and small size of the Optio would more fully meet customer needs.' ** Amateur Photographer is a really great magazine and I subscribe and I love it to bits, so please don't sue me for reproducing that report!!! Honest!!! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: The REAL reason the Pentax MX rules!
Chris; Which K-series body provides a full mechanical shutter speed range (1sec - 1/1000 ) DOF preview, interchangeable focusing screens and a decent motor/winder? I just bought an MX on ebay for half of what I normally see them go for. I'll let you know how it is when i get it later this week. Christian Skofteland > > > It seems like the MX has more problems than other > bodies in this > respect, though. Apart from sticky mirror, the LX is a relatively > problem-free camera by comparison, and the K-series bodies seem to go > forever if they're properly taken care of. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
F* 300 F4.5 on eBay
Looks like a really clean F* 300mm F4.5 is on eBay. Buy It Now price is $575, which isn't bad for a clean example: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=128810 --Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
