RE: Processing 20+ year old film
Great, it can be done. Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Johnson Sent: 10 December 2001 02:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Processing 20+ year old film Hi, I processed some 20 year old Plus X for a friend of mine a couple of years ago about 4 rolls. The images were all usable. (though nothing spectacular) For what it's worth, I used Ilfosol-S, which lists two of the ingredients as phenyl-somethings (I don't want to spell it all outick) and another as hydroquinone. Does this make it a phenidone developer? I don't remember the times, but it seems as if I leaned towards extending development and used a more dilute solution. Thanks, William in Utah. Malcolm Smith wrote: > > Is there really hope with processing very old film? It's great to hear there > may be . I wish I had seen a post like this a couple of months back, as a > friend binned a film which had been in a camera for about 14 years. I > suggested he had done the best thing - I would like to be proven wrong. > > How do the professional processors here think about it? Has anyone any > stories about people coming in with old film to be developed? > > A final thought - does anyone have any undeveloped film that should be > processed soon! > > I hope, as I have said before that Paul Ewins film comes out OK. > > Malcolm > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Robb > Sent: 09 December 2001 16:10 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Processing 20+ year old film > > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Ewins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 5:44 AM > Subject: Processing 20+ year old film > > > Hi folks, > > I recently had a look at my mother's old box > brownie, and > > discovered that it still had a film in it. It is Kodak > Verichrome Pan, in > > 620 format of course. I would think it would be between 20 - > 25 years old. > > For the cost of a bit of developer and fixer I may as well > have a go at > > developing it. > > Any ideas on how? Should I go longer or shorter? Colder or > hotter than > > normal? I'll be using ID 11. > > The problem you are going to run into is increased base fog. You > will probably want to add an anti fog agent, benzotriazole is > the classic anti-fog agent. Phenidone is also an anti fogging > agent, so any developer with it in the formulae will have > anti-fogging characteristics. > ID-11 is a classic metol/hydroquinone formulation, but does not > use phenidone in the formula. > > The only developer I know for sure that does is Bromophen, which > is nominally a paper developer. > I can be used as a film developer, but it isn't easy. > > If you don't want to goof around with a bunch of chemistry, soup > it in cool ID-11, with a 1:1 dilution at 18º for 9 minutes. > Have fun > William Robb > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S functionality (was RE: Pentax)
Stan - I'm with you on this, with the one exception that I don't have any problem reaching the focus selection button - but then I do have long fingers. I spent about a month with the camera and manual together, not trying to make masterpieces but just trying all of the features as I found a need for them, and now I can remember the stuff I might use on a daily basis, and carry the little Functions cheat-sheet in my wallet for when I can't. IMHO, the interafce is like one I would write for a mature computer program: configuration screens for mid- to long-term settings ( = pentax functions), buttons for dynamic settings ( = focus point selection, exposure compensation, bracketing, DOF preview) , and resets (= AF button, Exposure mode). It might take a little time to learn, and I would provide both a manual and context-sensitive help, but it would do the job well. I am a little surprised that some of our obviously very experienced and photographically ambitious subscribers don't appear to want to spend a lttle time finding their way around a very smart piece of machinery so that they can get the best out of it, which also involves making sure they can understand what is available. Have some of them ever looked at the crappy interfaces on some of the consumer digital cameras, with their multiplicity of obscure buttons and interminable menus? As to whether it's well-built - I posted a little conversation I had with my wife a week or so ago after she dropped my MZ-S over five feet onto the floor - sufficient testimony to it's toughness, I think. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Friday, December 07, 2001 1:03 PM, Stan Halpin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: > Bill - When I got my PZ-1p, first new camera since my ME Super, I was > freaked. A gadget-lover's delight! Knobs, dials, beeps, flashing lights, > multiple ways to do the same thing . . . After a few hours with the manual, > much practice, and many muttered curses, I learned that I would never master > all of the features, and that I did not rally care. I learned to do the > things that I wanted to do to take the pictures I wanted to take. Never did > come across a race car in the dark for which I needed that nifty > rear-curtain flash or whatever it is called. But I loved the dial-in > fill-flash compensation thingie . . . > > With the MZ-S, the whole camera is much simpler for me. But I also am not > trying to master all buttons and functions; I learned to use what I need. I > go back to the manual occasionally to see if I have forgotten anything I > should be paying attention to. Meanwhile, the shutter button is a good > feature, the quick easy DOF check is great, the meter-reset button on the > front is a great rescue from confusion, and the exposure comp is nifty and > easy to use with my left thumb alone . . . I suppose there are other buttons > I haven't even seen yet, but I am not too concerned. Oh yeah, there is the > one unreachable set of doohickeys that move the autofocus target around. I > did that once or twice; 'tis ok on a tripod doing macro shots, but otherwise > is not needed as you can focus, hold, and recompose quite easily. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: $ of LX finder (standard)
<< Hi, what is the used price (I WTB) a normal LX finder? I have an opportunity to buy an LX body without a finder for a reasonable price, but I know the finders are harder to get locally. Anybody selling one? (preferably in or near Europe) >> There is one on our used listings. It has a pin-prick dent. They are still available new, although we only get them to order. Kind regards Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: New Pentax digital SLR
Pål wrote: PAJ> Just look at Olympus soon to be released digital slr with PAJ> interchangeable lenses. It may set the standard. Right now the only standard they may set is the normal focal length. Everything else is subject to change in the close future. It's interesting to see what the Olympus view is of a compromise focal length small enough to conserve digital advantages (large depth of field, wide apertures) but sufficiently long to allow enough resolution power for future 10 (20?) mpixels sensors... Servus, Alin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S Imprinting Problem
Anyone had any problems with the in-film data printing on an MZ-S? It's working fine on DX-Coded film, but I cannot seem to get it to work on bulk-rolled Delta400 in non-DX canisters. I have set the Imprinting Density (function 15) to all of its available options but still nothing - I have also tried all of these settings when using DX-coded film and it appears to make NO difference to the print density. Am I doing something daft? Any help much appreciated as this is one of the primary reasons for camera choice (other than ergonomics, build quality, glass availability) Cheers P. Paul Wilkinson This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MX, & Dec PUG
MX - Have just aquired a nice MX for a song. Everything seems to be ok except that the more I used it, the more the viewfinder looked like the bottom of an ashtray. I took the lens off and a heap of black foam fell out. It's not sticky, but was obviously there for a reason. Can this be repaired?? Does it need to be repaired. The only other "problem" is the little black plastic bit that covers the centre of the self timer lever is missing. The camera came with a M200/4 M35/2 and M50/1.4. I suspect it's all been kept oin the boot (trunk) of a car because the lens cases are very cracked and "dry". Are they leather?? I can't make out if they are or not. If they were leather I'd put a little treatment on the cases to stop further deterioration. I now have a dilemma. Which 35/2 to rid myself of. I have the K and M versions. Someone decide for me please! Speaking of ashtrays, I simply cannot stop looking at "Caught in the Glass" by Matjaz Osojnik. Every time I open the PUG page, I need to look at this again. It looks like the moon. Congratulations Matjaz. Darryn Richter Australia - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and a confession
Isaac Crawford wrote: > I had a similar experience when going from my LX to a M6. At first I was > sort of bummed because I didn't have aperature priority, but then I noticed > that my exposures were always dead on with the Leica. The difference was > that I was involved in every decision instead of letting the camera do it > for me. From then on I shot the LX in manual whenever I could... same here. Usually I preset both aperture and shutter on my MX based on my experience and subject tonality, then I check meter LEDs and if I agree with meter readings I take a shot. If I disagree, I take shot anyway and complaining about bad meter. ;-) Cheers, Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MX, & Dec PUG
Those are aging form which must be replaced. Any repair shops can do the job (suppose they knew what they were doing). Quite possible those form on the camera back have to be replaced too. Those aren't leather, but leatherette. If you are interested in replacing them yourself, check out http://www.micro-tools.com/Merchant2/restore.htm. Just don't let those aging form to stick on the focus screen for too long or there might be inreversable damage. Don't try to wipe the screen with anything either, use a blower. regards, Alan Chan >MX - Have just aquired a nice MX for a song. Everything seems to be ok >except >that the more I used it, the more the viewfinder looked like the bottom of >an >ashtray. I took the lens off and a heap of black foam fell out. It's not >sticky, but was obviously there for a reason. Can this be repaired?? Does >it >need to be repaired. The only other "problem" is the little black plastic >bit >that covers the centre of the self timer lever is missing. The camera came >with a M200/4 M35/2 and M50/1.4. I suspect it's all been kept oin the boot >(trunk) of a car because the lens cases are very cracked and "dry". Are >they >leather?? I can't make out if they are or not. If they were leather I'd put >a >little treatment on the cases to stop further deterioration. > >I now have a dilemma. Which 35/2 to rid myself of. I have the K and M >versions. Someone decide for me please! > >Speaking of ashtrays, I simply cannot stop looking at "Caught in the Glass" >by >Matjaz Osojnik. Every time I open the PUG page, I need to look at this >again. >It looks like the moon. Congratulations Matjaz. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and a confession
I almost always shoot with the LX in aperture priority mode, but I use the exposure compensation dial to adjust for the scene. That way I can take advantage of the off the film metering and the stepless shutter. The exposure compensation affords me as much control as manual exposure would and involves just as much thought and decision making. I also use an MX quite often, which is of course fully manual. While its exposures are good, they're not quite a match for those of the LX. Paul Peter Lacus wrote: > Isaac Crawford wrote: > > > I had a similar experience when going from my LX to a M6. At first I was > > sort of bummed because I didn't have aperature priority, but then I noticed > > that my exposures were always dead on with the Leica. The difference was > > that I was involved in every decision instead of letting the camera do it > > for me. From then on I shot the LX in manual whenever I could... > > same here. Usually I preset both aperture and shutter on my MX based on > my experience and subject tonality, then I check meter LEDs and if I > agree with meter readings I take a shot. If I disagree, I take shot > anyway and complaining about bad meter. ;-) > > Cheers, > > Peter > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MX, & Dec PUG
> MX - Have just aquired a nice MX for a song. Everything seems What does that mean? My English is OK but I have never been able to figure out the expression... :)) > to be ok except > that the more I used it, the more the viewfinder looked like > the bottom of an > ashtray. I took the lens off and a heap of black foam fell out. It's not > sticky, but was obviously there for a reason. Can this be > repaired?? Does it > need to be repaired. When I got my first SLR, an MX the first thing I did is tried to clean it with compressed air. It virtually destroyed the foam :)) Since then the camera has been working fine. Its main purpose (correct me if I'm wrong) is to chuisson the mirror when it flaps up. It also seals some light. But it is rare to see any camera that has the foam intact. Especially cameras as old as MXs. Get it replaced if someone takes the camera apart anyway, otherwise I would not worry about it. > The only other "problem" is the little > black plastic bit > that covers the centre of the self timer lever is missing. The I think you can live with that, can't you? > camera came > with a M200/4 M35/2 and M50/1.4. NICE! I use the M 50mm 1.4 great lens!!! > I suspect it's all been kept > oin the boot > (trunk) of a car because the lens cases are very cracked and > "dry". Are they > leather?? I can't make out if they are or not. If they were > leather I'd put a > little treatment on the cases to stop further deterioration. Cases get roughed up. If they still serve the purpose of protecting your lenses that is what you should worry about mainly. Be glad they were kept in cases. > I now have a dilemma. Which 35/2 to rid myself of. I have the K and M > versions. Someone decide for me please! :)) I might be interested, though I an a little low on cash (I actually should be looking for an 85mm anyway), but those are both good lenses. You can read some reviews at it's all praise. http://www.concentric.net/~smhalpin/BriefComments.html#Normal%20Prime http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ has some subjective tests, but frankly I have no clude what an lpm is. Is higher or lower the better? I think decision should depend on which one is more comfortable, which one fits your filters. Optically they are both really good. So what's your price?? (please e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to talk, that is my main personal address, the one I am writing from now is reserved for mailing lists) L Levente -Levi- Littvay University of Nebraska-Lincoln -- PGP public key: http://www.kign.org/levilpub.asc Key fingerprint: 8BD8 3CE7 FB1D 625F F268 BFCE 417A C20C 92BF 6225 -- Download free PGP e-mail security software: http://www.pgpi.org/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: No more Nikon girls
Hell,trying to stay up past 9 pm is a challenge in itt's self let alone worrying aboy younger women :-) :-) Dave Begin Original Message From: Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 10:16:46 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: No more Nikon girls On Saturday, December 8, 2001, at 05:36 PM, Mike Johnston wrote: > Aaron wrote: > >> Not that it matters anymore, since I'm getting married, but Aaron's two >> rules were No More Nikon Girls and No More 'Actresses'. > > > > My rules are no more married women, no more women in the middle of a > divorce, no more models, no more (much) younger women, and no more > lawyers. > > At my age that doesn't leave much. Did you hear that, PDML? MIKE SAYS THAT HE'D DATE A NIKON GIRL. Mike, you know I love you, but I fear you must be shunned over this. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New Pentax digital SLR
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Pål Audun Jensen > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: New Pentax digital SLR > < They only ones who can justify this cost are people who are producing lot of images. For < 35mm photography these are the photo journalist. They have heavily invested in Nikon and < Canon lenses and won't switch to Pentax just because it offers (for the time being) a < few Mpix more. Theres no way Pentax can make a viable digital slr until it reaches < prices the amateur can afford. These prices will be reached in a relative short while < but not with that Philips chip. This seems to me, purely logical, rational, and smart business. My thoughts exactly. Thanks, Ed http://lightandsilver.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MX, & Dec PUG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] quotes and asks: >>> MX - Have just acquired a nice MX for a song. Everything seems > > What does that mean? My English is OK but I have never been able to > figure out the expression... :))>> LeviL, The MX was extraordinarily cheap to purchase, as in the seller requested that I SING a SONG as payment for it. (Have you ever heard of Singing For Your Supper? It is another old colloquial phrase.) Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Digital competing with film?
Frantisek wrote: > As Mike (or somebody else?) put it, it's all about quality > standards... 9x12cm was considered "too small for anything" > photography, then 6x6, then 35mm... now we have digital. As film > offers me unparalleled versatility (so far unparalleled by > digital _in one package_) - from slow speed film with super low grain and > super > resolution (technical pan and similar) to 6400 iso, digital is > still a bit specialized tool for me. As I like to print big and > with detail (B&W condenser printing, 6x9cm,...) and _love_ large > format contact printing, all is just a tool for me. For some > people, that tool will suffice, others use 30x40cm cameras... it > all depends. > > I think a _personal view_ of the prints under > conditions ones exhibits or views his own prints is > _indispensable_ for reviewing quality of any format. It's all > about one's standards. Well said. I agree. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Pocket Guide:(was shooting holiday lights)
Had a chance to hit the local Chapters store Friday and pick up the last Kodak Pocket Photo Guide on the shelf.I'v just had a chance to thumb through it so far and looks very interesting indeed. A little over packaged for my tastes, but what the hay. Thanks for the info group Dave Begin Original Message From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 08:04:37 -0500 To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re: Re: shooting holiday lights It is called: Kodak Pocket Photoguide. fourth edition. 2001. Publication AR-21. ISBN 0-07985-807-9 $14.95 US $21.95 Can It is a neet little book with all those things you can't remember when you need them. It is full of those little calculator wheels that tell you what you need. The one for existing light is where I got the Xmas light settings from. Handiest little photo book ever. I have one from the mid-fifties that I keep with my Graphic. --graywolf Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 135mm 1.8 or faster
Then the one in mint condition I saw in a store here for just 1100 usd is a bargain? ;-) Maybe if I win the loto Albano Pentax used to sell a lens known as SMC Pentax-A* 135/1.8 it is an excellent lens however it is difficult to locate second hand and costs a bomb, the last two sold on eBay back in February for US$1853 and US$1810. Cheers, Rob Studdert - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MX, & Dec PUG
LeviL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/ has some subjective tests, but frankly I have > no clude what an lpm is. Is higher or lower the better? Hi Levi, LPM is the resolving power of a lens expressed in Lines Per Millimeter. Higher is better... :) According to what I've heard, the K 35/2 is better (dunno how much) than the M 35/2, but it's heavy and huge. I have the K one and I love it. It's a great lens. Never had the chance to touch the M. Gianfranco = Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: greater Chicagoland PDMLers unite!
Richard, Maris, Gabriel, Mike, & Mark, I think we could arrange something in Chicago. Downtown and the lake shore are the first places that comes to mind to visit. (This would also allow a visit to Helix for Mike and Central Camera too!) We could range anywhere in the ~3 miles along the lake shore from Megs airfield and the Museum campus (Aquarium, Planetarium, Natural History - 'Sue' the Dinosaur) to Navy Pier, to the Lincoln Park Zoo and Conservatory on the North side. Tell me about timing as December is becoming a bit crowded. A weekend is probably the best, but some of you may be planning some vacation days around the holidays. (Thursdays are often 'free' days at our museums. I'll check for interesting photographic exhibits.) Of course, if anybody else on the PDML wants to fly in for the get together, you are all welcome. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: monopods
At 00:09 10-12-2001 -0500, you wrote: >From: "Paul Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: Monopods. > >Hi, > >After our discussions on Monopods i just picked up a Manfrotto 479-4B, its a >4 section monopod and is quite lite, yet still sturdy. > >There was a also a cheaper 3 section one, it weighed about the same when i >picked it up, was quite a bit longer and a little cheaper. > >I looked at the ones that comes with the 3 feet, but the monopod itself was >to big and heavy and i doubt i would have every trusted the feet to hold my >gear :) > >Paul Paul, Guess what - I just did exactly the same! Took my camera into the shop. Looked at both and went for the 479-4 The salesman went into the stockroom to get the boxed monopod. Came back brandishing a box and said "I forgot to ask if you wanted black or chrome"' I replied chrome (the 4 section I looked at was chrome and the 3-section black). He'd decided I''d prefer black. Probably thought I'd want it to match the LX! Quite chuffed with my purchase. Wendy --- Wendy & Paul Beard Ottawa, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Self enabled
Is it the 62mm or 67mm filter size version? Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Owens Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Self enabled While browsing one of our local camera shops today I came across the Vivitar Series 1 70-210/3.5 that's been on their website for several months. It so happened that the owner was available today and advised me he would sell it for $99.00 US. That was enough for me to do some self enabling, couldn't resist. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 135mm 1.8 or faster
Hi, Yes, the A* 1.8/135 is ideal to have, but terrible to buy. I've seen a person who was lucky enough to touch one... ;-) There are some much cheaper, a bit darker ones, that are very good performers as well, and are easier to find too. These are the old Pentax SMC 2.5/135 (not the Takumar!) and the Vivitar Series1 2.3/135. You may find some other fast 135s, like the Vivitar 1.8 and even 1.5, or some other 1.8-s, but these are said to be poor performers. The good news is that the latter are dirty cheap also. Gabor - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Self enabled
> Subject: RE: Self enabled > > > Is it the 62mm or 67mm filter size version? > Kent Gittings > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Owens > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:07 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Self enabled > > > While browsing one of our local camera shops today I came across > the Vivitar > Series 1 70-210/3.5 that's been on their website for several > months. It so > happened that the owner was available today and advised me he > would sell it > for $99.00 US. That was enough for me to do some self enabling, couldn't > resist. > > Bill, KG4LOV > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I got the tamron SP 70-210 F3.5 for the same price. Which is better? Time for a shootout JCO - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: 135mm 1.8 or faster
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sas Gabor > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:43 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: 135mm 1.8 or faster > > > Hi, > > > Yes, the A* 1.8/135 is ideal to have, but terrible to buy. > I've seen a person who was lucky enough to touch one... > ;-) > > There are some much cheaper, a bit darker ones, that are > very good performers as well, and are easier to find too. > These are the old Pentax SMC 2.5/135 (not the Takumar!) > and the Vivitar Series1 2.3/135. > You may find some other fast 135s, like the Vivitar 1.8 and even > 1.5, or some other 1.8-s, but these are said to be poor performers. > The good news is that the latter are dirty cheap also. > > > Gabor > Ive got a soligor 135mm F2 in M42 but never have gotten around to actually shooting with it... Price paid? $10 new in box at Miami Camera Show about 10 years ago. There was one guy selling all his screwmounts for $10 each, believe it or not. JCO - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Self enabled
Actually all three are quite good, however the reputation of the three from high to low is 62mm, 67mm, then F2.8-4. As a result the 62mm usually commands the higher price. I have a 67mm one in my screwmount collection and it is quite good. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Glover Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 5:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Self enabled The third version, the f/2.8-4.0, is the one I have and it is quite good lens. It seems to be very under-rated too from what I've read on Bob Monahagn's website (http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/third/cult.html#steve). I suppose that is because of the variable aperture perhaps. In any event, there is a good discussion of the Vivitar Series 1's lens and this web site gives a nice history of them.Anyone know where I SR1 200/3.0? :) John - Original Message - From: "Fred" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Self enabled > > While browsing one of our local camera shops today I came across the > > Vivitar Series 1 70-210/3.5 that's been on their website for several > > months. It so happened that the owner was available today and advised > > me he would sell it for $99.00 US. That was enough for me to do some > > self enabling, couldn't resist. > > Which version, Bill - the first-generation with the 67mm filter > threads, or the second-generation w/62mm (the version I used to use a > lot)? > > Fred > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Using a Yellow Filter
According to Kodak, that's not always true - it's not an absolute. One of their publications on TX, for example, shows a different filter factor for daylight and for tungsten. Recent experience shows the best exposure (filter factor) does seem to vary with the light. IOW, one stop isn't always correct. However, my original question dealt with how the meter reads the the light through the filter, and whether or not the amount of blue, or other colors I suppose, in the light would affect the filter factor. I also mentioned that the true test would be to expose some film, just as you suggested. Mike Johnston wrote: > No, the filter factor doesn't, but the need for the filter probably does. > > Also, metering isn't the best way to determine a filter factor. I hate to be > so non-technical, but a simple trial actually works best--just meter the > scene for no filter and bracket the factor, and see which neg looks best (or > prints best). > > I think you'll find that with a K2 (medium yellow) it really is one stop... -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Self enabled
It's the 62mm version supposedly built by Tokina. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Kent Gittings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: RE: Self enabled > Is it the 62mm or 67mm filter size version? > Kent Gittings > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bill Owens > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:07 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Self enabled > > > While browsing one of our local camera shops today I came across the Vivitar > Series 1 70-210/3.5 that's been on their website for several months. It so > happened that the owner was available today and advised me he would sell it > for $99.00 US. That was enough for me to do some self enabling, couldn't > resist. > > Bill, KG4LOV > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > ** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ** > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Using a Yellow Filter
Hi Bill, Yes, you're making sense, although vaguely. Let me say that, in practice, with TTL metering, this subject is almost moot. I say almost because, as you've noted, there are numerous variables, but how great a role they play is open to speculation and testing. But, here's what I've found using both B+W and SMC Pentax medium yellow filters. Neither, no matter which of the five meters I used, shows a full stop difference in exposure as indicated. At most 1/2-stop more exposure is called for, and often it's closer to 1/3-stop. While it's sometimes hard to tell with any precision exactly what the exposure differences are with the LX, ME S, and, surprisingly, to a lesser degree with the MX, in no case is it a full stop, or even close to a full stop, per the meter readings. Kodak says that different factors should be used for daylight and tungsten, so it may well be that different factors might be used for different types of daylight - bright sun, cloudy and overcast days, deep shadows, etc. Thus far it appears that the metering variations are slightly different in different light - about 1/3 stop in shade or overcast, and 1/2-stop in sun light. Different areas of the sky return slight differences, depending on the amount of blue that's visible and the position relative to the sun. My conclusion, thus far, is that reliance on the stated filter factors, or using a TTL meter, will not always result in the ideal exposure, and that considerations for the type of light is a prime concern. Of course, if one shoots with a "close-enough-for-government-work" approach, the stated filter factors or TTL metering indications may be acceptable, and they may be ideal for certain emulsions. But for careful, critical exposures, a good understanding of how the filter behaves in different light and with different films, may be required, i.e., making a set of test exposures as one does when using a new film for the first time. William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Shel Belinkoff" > Subject: Re: Using a Yellow Filter > > > I understand that, but let's get back to one of the original > > questions. If there is less blue in the light, which is what, > > in essence, a yellow> filter prevents from reaching the film, > > would the filter factor change? > > It would seem logical that it would, but I am not so sure. If > the ambient light is already -blue, then the exposure factor > would change based on that colour deficiency (the combination of > meter error and film speed shift necessitating the adjustment), > but the filter factor should stay the same. > I think the exposure adjustment in the situation you describe > would be filter factor + exposure factor = exposure adjustment. > Am I making any sense here? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: shooting holiday lights
Bragging about your prowess again . One doesn't have to be too quick with holiday lights - it's not like they're a gazelle or a cheetah. IAC I'm sure you can bracket very quickly ... I don't have to . Tom Rittenhouse wrote: > > Bragging about your equipment again ? Bet I can bracket three shots > faster than you can take a reading with that spot meter. > > --graywolf > > > - Original Message - > From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: shooting holiday lights > > > Not with a 1-degree spot meter. > > > > Tom Rittenhouse wrote: > > > > > > Actually metering is something of a bug-a-boo under these types of > > > situations. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MX, & Dec PUG
I would guess the mirror bumper foam is rotted away. Should be a fairly cheap fix at a local camera repair shop. The light seal foam in the back should probably be replaced at the same time as it is probably in the same condition. Ciao, graywolf - Original Message - From: Trish Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:56 AM Subject: MX, & Dec PUG > MX - Have just aquired a nice MX for a song. Everything seems to be ok except > that the more I used it, the more the viewfinder looked like the bottom of an > ashtray. I took the lens off and a heap of black foam fell out. It's not > sticky, but was obviously there for a reason. Can this be repaired?? Does it > need to be repaired. The only other "problem" is the little black plastic bit > that covers the centre of the self timer lever is missing. The camera came > with a M200/4 M35/2 and M50/1.4. I suspect it's all been kept oin the boot > (trunk) of a car because the lens cases are very cracked and "dry". Are they > leather?? I can't make out if they are or not. If they were leather I'd put a > little treatment on the cases to stop further deterioration. > > I now have a dilemma. Which 35/2 to rid myself of. I have the K and M > versions. Someone decide for me please! > > Speaking of ashtrays, I simply cannot stop looking at "Caught in the Glass" by > Matjaz Osojnik. Every time I open the PUG page, I need to look at this again. > It looks like the moon. Congratulations Matjaz. > > > Darryn Richter > Australia > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Ads
Sure we do! All Aussys are brainless idiots who pick up poisonous snake, let crocs chew on their leg, tease water buffalo, etc when they are not driving their Subaru at excessive speed through the desert while drinking oil can, after oil can, of Fosters. . Ciao, graywolf - Original Message - From: Paul Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:25 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Ads > i hadn't thought of it that way, as he being ours spokesman. > > I wonder if he is a decent photographer. i kinda doubt he is. > > I hope Americans dont see him as a Spokesman for Australia! > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:57 PM > Subject: Re: Pentax Ads > > > > My son (recently 5) loves to watch Irwin and I don't mind watching things > > bite him. I mentally retitle his show "Amazingly Dumb things to do with > > Dangerous Animals". :-) But, hey, he's our spokesman now... (sort of) > > > > Dan Scott > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >I really disliked Steve Irwin and i think to most Australians he is a > bit > > >of a joke. He's alot more popular in the US from what i see than here in > > >Aus. Now however I think i like him more since he shoots with Pentax :) > > > > > >Regards, > > >Paul > > > > > >- Original Message - > > >From: "Isaac Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:52 PM > > >Subject: Re: Pentax Ads > > > > > > > > >> - Original Message - > > >> From: Dave Weiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: pentax-discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 9:39 PM > > >> Subject: Pentax Ads > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > They also show that crocidile hunter guy with crocs snapping at his > > >heals > > >> > which is somehow suppose to make us want to bring a pentax with us on > > >our > > >> > adventures? Not sure hwo effective that is. > > >> > > > >> > Say, here is a potential dumb thread, how would you advertise your > > >> favorite > > >> > pentax camera? It has got to be better than the croc hunter ad. > Maybe > > >we > > >> > could award a prize for creativity. I have a few items floating > > >> around > > >> > > >> Actually, there is a piece of Pentax promo lit. around that has > Steve > > >> Irwin talking about his K1000 and his MZ-S. I think that they could > push > > >the > > >> nature and adventure angle pretty well with him if they wanted to. It > > >would > > >> be pretty easy to shoot footage of him taking pictures of various > nasties > > >> and then running for his life... "Whew, that was close, thank goodness > the > > >> MZ-S is made of magnesium, if I had an F100, I'd be dead for sure..." > The > > >> possibilites are enfless... > > >> > > >> Isaac > > >> - > > >> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > >> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > >> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > >- > > >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax digital SLR
Pentax certainly isn't going to go for the news photographer market. Nikon and Conon compeate in that market by providing free on-site service and feee loaners at major events. That is expensive, and the comsumer gets to pay for it when they buy Canon, or Nikon consumer grade cameras; so I would't want them to do that either. But there are many other markets for a high end 35mm based digital digital. Event photogs could eat up eveything Pentax could produce for a while. Serious wedding photogs could make good use of such a camera. Unfortunately, without tilt&shift lenses they wouldn't break into much of the product photography market, but if they came out with a couple of T&S leneses they could make heavy inroads into that market. No, the MZ-D is not an unmarketable camera, except maybe for Pentax. Ciao, graywolf - Original Message - From: Pål Audun Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:22 AM Subject: RE: New Pentax digital SLR Cesar wrote: >I don't see how the MZ-D is already obsolete. It is obsolete because the chip is far more expensive than those the competition, and Pentax for that matter, will use real soon. >I thought it was a question >of pricing themselves into a market they did not want to be. Or where the customers don't want to buy. Pentax did take preorder for the MZ-D and I believe, but not gotten it confirmed, that in my country they didn't receive a single order. At least, the Pentax distributor had no idea who was going to buy a 10 000USD digital Pentax. They only ones who can justify this cost are people who are producing lot of images. For 35mm photography these are the photo journalist. They have heavily invested in Nikon and Canon lenses and won't switch to Pentax just because it offers (for the time being) a few Mpix more. Theres no way Pentax can make a viable digital slr until it reaches prices the amateur can afford. These prices will be reached in a relative short while but not with that Philips chip. >There seems to >be no reason why they would not address a full '35mm-format' size CCD in a >camera. I think they *will* use a full frame chip but a cheaper one than the Philips. >Something I cannot understand is how a digital camera becomes 'obsolete.' >The fact that I have a 3.1 megapixel digital camera still makes it a digital >camera that produces good images (still meeting my original useage >criteria) six years from now. The fact that there may be 6, 7, or 10 >megapixel cameras out there does not make my digital obsolete - just not top >of the line in terms of size. But you can't sell a less than top of the line chipped camera at a top of the line price. Hence, it becomes obsolete. The Philips chip is getting too expensive for what it offers. BTW a Pentax rep told me that the Contax use a CMOS chip not from Philips (I haven't got this confirmed from other sources so apply with a usual grain of salt). The Pentax MZ-D with the Philips chip would have costed significantly more than the Contax. Pål Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax digital SLR
If the Contax does indeed use a CMOS sensor, then it is not up to the quality level of the CCD in the MZ-D. The only camera currently on the market that competes with the MZ-D is, as I have said here before, the $7K Kodak DCS-760, and it has a slightly less then full frame sensor. My guess is that Pentax, like most of those on this list, has no idea of what to do with a top end camera. We can make it, but who would buy it? I could sell them, provided, and only provided that Pentax was committed to stay in that market. No one wants to invest in a system than is going to be orphaned like the pros who bought into the LX were. And I guess that is the gist of it. Ciao, graywolf - Original Message - From: Pål Audun Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:22 AM Subject: RE: New Pentax digital SLR But you can't sell a less than top of the line chipped camera at a top of the line price. Hence, it becomes obsolete. The Philips chip is getting too expensive for what it offers. BTW a Pentax rep told me that the Contax use a CMOS chip not from Philips (I haven't got this confirmed from other sources so apply with a usual grain of salt). The Pentax MZ-D with the Philips chip would have costed significantly more than the Contax. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
My "Exciting Project" Update
A bit of an update on my project, if anyone is curious that is: The project has been to pick my 100 favorite shots in 35mm B&W from the past 20 or so years, from the time I entered photography school in 1982. I ended up with about 260 (?) "possibles" after going through thousands of prints. First just picking the obvious inclusions--the things I couldn't imagine leaving out--I ended up with about 50 pictures. The remaining 200 or so I've been showing to friends and family to get their reactions and responses. From this I've picked another 40 pictures. However I'm not sure any more that this project is really possible. From some shooting projects I've done I haven't even picked one picture, and actually from some cameras I've shot with I haven't picked a single picture either. As the project has gone on I've become concerned about the number of prints I can't find--as my memory is jogged I've thought of dozens of finished prints that haven't turned up yet. I'm sure they're in boxes in the basement I haven't yet searched, but I'm more than a bit chagrined at my casual filing and storage methods. With all the work and time I have put into printing over the years, I should be more careful about the results. I've also been remembering great negatives that I have never really printed yet. One of my deceased grandmother comes to mind. With only 10 places left I'm starting to winnow things out of the selection so far to make more room. One problem with this is that many of my favorite pictures are very "quiet" pictures, offhand and plain, not obvious "hits." As I edit down, I think too many of these are being left out. I guess the frustration about this comes from the fact that there is not much difference in quality between the "first" 100 and the "second" 100. I'm not saying they're interchangeable, just that there are so many favorite pictures left out of the first 100 that maybe the leftovers are not so much weaker. This has certainly been interesting, though. I've got to finish my new darkroom. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Self enabled
John wrote: > The third version, the f/2.8-4.0, is the one I have and it is quite good > lens. It seems to be very under-rated too from what I've read on Bob > Monahagn's website (http://people.smu.edu/rmonagha/third/cult.html#steve). > I suppose that is because of the variable aperture perhaps. In any event, > there is a good discussion of the Vivitar Series 1's lens and this web site > gives a nice history of them.Anyone know where I SR1 200/3.0? :) > > John > Hi John, The VS1 200/3 is quite a catch. I am extremely happy with mine. It is worth the search to find one, you won`t be dissappointed. The 4 foot close focus is wonderful. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: greater Chicagoland PDMLers unite!
Bob, December and early Jan are out for me (I'll be in Maine) and as you know, Jan and Feb aren't terribly hospitable months to wander around the city. How about planning a Springtime get-together well in advance? Might give some out-of-towners time to plan a trip if they want to come. Just a thought. I'll try to make whatever you all end up planning. --Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Richard, Maris, Gabriel, Mike, & Mark, > > I think we could arrange something in Chicago. > > Downtown and the lake shore are the first places that comes to mind to visit. > (This would also allow a visit to Helix for Mike and Central Camera too!) > We could range anywhere in the ~3 miles along the lake shore from Megs > airfield and the Museum campus (Aquarium, Planetarium, Natural History - > 'Sue' the Dinosaur) to Navy Pier, to the Lincoln Park Zoo and Conservatory on > the North side. > > Tell me about timing as December is becoming a bit crowded. A weekend is > probably the best, but some of you may be planning some vacation days around > the holidays. (Thursdays are often 'free' days at our museums. I'll check > for interesting photographic exhibits.) > > Of course, if anybody else on the PDML wants to fly in for the get together, > you are all welcome. > > Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S and AF360 Flash - HS Sync
Perhaps someone can help clarify a little confusion regarding the use of an AF-360 in wireless mode with an MZ-S camera. Page 39 of the flash manual states that the flash, when used in wireless mode, should be set to manual rather than Auto. This suggests that the user needs to manually set the flash-to-subject distance. Is this the correct interpretation? Page 38 of the AF360 manual recommends using an off-camera shoe adapter (F or CL-10) when the flash is separated from the camera. Does this suggest that the wireless mode isn't reliable, or perhaps results in the loss of one or more features? John - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: More Nice Things Happened
Tom C. wrote, on the subject of getting published: > Well, the part that's disappointing is the December issue just came > out yesterday, and my article is not there. > But one of the photographs is. It's by itself on the inside front cover. > It is Skyfire http://www.peaceoflight.com/skyfire.htm. > So it's rather bittersweet. Originally I would have been overjoyed to > have one photo published. Now my expectations were on three plus > an article. Hi Tom, Too bad they only had room for one of your shots and not the article, but don't take it too hard. Thirty days from initial inquiry to appearance in print is GREAT! And inside front cover sounds like pretty good placement to me. What Mike Johnson said makes a lot of sense -- let them know that you're interested if they have any future needs for photos, articles, etc. Perhaps another publication would be interested in the article and your other two photos, if Idaho Magazine is willing to give you a release. (Perhaps Idaho Magazine is intending to publish the article at a later date?) Don't know if you've given this any thought, but one option you might wish to pursue is to solicit companies which sell astronomical gear and see if they'd be interested in some of your work for their catalogs, web sites, and so forth. Again, congratulations on getting published, and good luck with future ventures. By the way, where do we write if we want to get a copy of the latest issue of Idaho Magazine? Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
LX hunting
I should have known that it looked too simple! As I previously posted, I found some LX bodies for between £250 - 350, but they are all hundreds of miles away and no good for any warranty claims, so I thought I'd ring a few local shops. As I thought, no one has one locally, but interestingly quite a few thought that really good bodies would be £250 at the top end. Two other observations; A large camera shop chain down my way was unable to confirm its second hand stock, and refers you to its website, which doesn't show prices. One dealer I rang stated the last two LXs were constantly away for repairs and he wouldn't take one as a part exchange any more and suggested I bought an MX. Oh, and I couldn't find any private sales of one. Malcolm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Alligator Guy
Paul J. wrote: > i hadn't thought of it that way, as he being ours spokesman. > > I wonder if he is a decent photographer. i kinda doubt he is. > > I hope Americans dont see him as a Spokesman for Australia! I wonder too about the connection to photography. Maybe I've just been immersed in "photography culture" for too long, but the Jack Hanna nature-guy type of thing doesn't make a connection to photography for me. (I'd much rather see just a good big portrait of a camera with some prints and a Spotmatic in the background, even.) My experience in the magazine biz is that non-specialist marketers don't always have the surest insights about marketing photography. I had an interesting experience with a newsstand consultant my company hired. He was NYC hotshot who charged a pile of money. He had all sorts of rules for designing covers that would sell--pretty girls, white background, lots of blurbs in the upper left hand corner, lots of color. So we hired a professional fashion photographer, followed all his rules to the T, and produced a cover entirely to his guidelines. He approved highly of our efforts. [Jul/Aug 1997 for those who might have back issues of _Photo Techniques_.] A little while earlier I had done a cover with a cyanotype of a cow skull and the single blurb, centrally placed, that said "The New Cyanotype" [Jan/Feb 1997]. The newsstand consultant wrote a 2-page diatribe to the publisher about how awful the cover was, how I was ignoring his advice and learning nothing from him, and that the cover was one of the worst he'd ever seen. Guess which one sold better on the newsstand for us? The cow skull cover, by a good margin. The fashion shot that followed all the "cover" rules was a weak seller for us. I don't know from marketing. But I had one little advantage--I knew my audience. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts I could come up with a marketing campaign that would spike Pentax's sales. But of course I'm not a marketer. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: 135mm 1.8 or faster
Yes. Pentax made the A* 135/1.8 a very superb but pricey lens. Also in the 70-80's Sigma made a manual focus 135/1.8 in their XQ line that was available in PK mount. Sun/Polaris/Spiratone made/sold a giant 135/1.8 in the 70's with an 82mm filter size. It's the cheapest value if you can find them. McBroom's has the last one averaging between $125-175USD. The Sigma goes for around $300USD or so used. Neither of the others are close to the Pentax in absolute quality but they are all well built all metal lenses. I have 1 of the Sigma's in PK mount and 2 of the others (1 Polaris and 1 Spiratone) in M42 ES mount (all of these lenses are interchangeable YS mounts although the PK mount is factory installed only and can't be switched between lenses by a user like the rest of the YS mounts can). Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Waterson Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 135mm 1.8 or faster I am looking for 135mm lense, can be manual or AF I need one about f1.8, does such a creature exist? Kind regards Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: PZ-1p vs. ZX-5n
The grip is the main reason I always gave the Z-1p a pass. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard Seaman Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 3:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PZ-1p vs. ZX-5n Timothy, I bought a ZX-M soon after they were introduced, and I've had the same ZX-5 body for about 5 years. I just got a Z-1 a day or two ago, and haven't even had a chance to put film through it yet, but I can give some immediate impressions. The TTL flash was the main reason I replaced my Super-A with the ZX-5, and I haven't been disappointed. Of course there have been occasions where the shot has been under-exposed, but I can always see why it happened and why I should have dialed in some exposure compensation. A full 99% of the time, though, I just put it into spot metering mode and fire away, using a powerful AF-500FTZ because my subjects are often 30 feet or more away. I do a lot of nature photography (insects and birds and anything else which looks interesting), and I use an awful lot of flash, so I've had plenty of time to learn whether the metering is good or not. I can't comment on the flash metering accuracy of the Z-1, because I haven't used it yet, but the ZX-5 seems good. I got the Z-1 solely because it has the 1/250 flash sync, but if you're not doing the type of long-range nature photography I do then this is unlikely to be any better than the ZX-5's 1/100 flash. Two things stood out when I started handling the Z-1: (1) compared to a ZX-M or ZX-5, this is one bulky and heavy brute! I don't know the actual figures, but the ZX-5 seems only slightly heavier to me than the ZX-M; however, the Z-1 is much heavier. On the Z-1, the shutter release is located near the front of a very large grip which extends almost an inch forward from the camera body. I'm not sure how well I'll cope with this, because I have carpal tunnel problems in my right hand. Even for an unafflicted user, it's very bulky, though I'm sure not more than most Canon, Nikon and other cameras. Time will tell if this is a real issue for me, or not; (2) the Z-1 is far more complex and less intuitive to use than the ZX-5. The ZX-5 is virtually identical to the ZX-M, and has always had everything I wanted. Even setting the shutter speed on the Z-1 isn't obvious, though I'm sure I'll soon get used to it. Check to see whether any of the 18 Pentax Functions appeal to you, otherwise they won't add anything to your photographic experience. For myself, I can imagine using the Image Size Tracking feature, at least if I had a long auto lens to do it with! Of course the Z-1's extra size, weight and complexity do make one feel more professional and give one an undeniable ego boost ;^) You'll soon be winking as much as those LX users 8^O For you, a point in favor of the ZX-5 over the Z-1 is that the ZX-5 uses the same batteries as the ZX-M, whereas the PZ-1 uses a single 2CR5. If you continue to use the ZX-M, then you'll be buying and carrying two sets of batteries, plus spares. I focus manually even with my auto-focus lens (SMC Pentax-FA 100mm f2.8 and Sigma 15-35mm), so I can't comment on the auto-focus ability of any of these bodies - but I do know that the ZX-M is lousy at auto-focus, and the built-in flash isn't much good, either! As far as sturdiness is concerned, both the ZX-5 and the PZ-1p are much, much more solid than a ZX-M. I'm mostly thinking about the solidness of the body, but it's also true of the cosmetics - very soon after I got my ZX-M, fully one half of the right hand dial was blank, because the shutter speed numbers wore off! I'm also having to do some testing to see whether the mirror is locating properly, because it seems like I might be having trouble focussing accurately (I'm not sure if this is real or just imagined until I've completed the tests). I treat my equipment pretty roughly, backpacking it around the planet, throwing unpadded lenses and bodies together and so on, and in the five years I've had the ZX-5 I've never had any problems, apart from the 1/60th lens issue I mentioned in recent emails - and even that problem seems to have spontaneously vanished. My understanding is that the PZ-1P is in a different league than the ZX-5 for sturdiness, I think the PZ-1 has a metal body versus the ZX-5's polycarbonate, but I could well be wrong on that. But it doesn't really matter unless you're going to be extremely severe with the camera, because as I say, even the ZX-5 has taken an awful lot of punishment from me. I've put together a quick page with the three camera bodies on it, with comments, as well as the Pentax Function chart Bob kindly supplied to me: http://www.richard-seaman.com/Me/Photography/CameraBodies/index.html If you want to check the flash metering of the ZX-5, look at the following page; almost all of the insect photos were taken with the flash as primary light source:
Re: My "Exciting Project" Update
I think I may be missing something, Mike. If this is a personal, private portfolio with you as the client, you don't need to put any "obvious "hits"" in it, right? Just stick the ones in it that mean the most to you. Dan Scott (sitting around waiting for my Dad to show up (coming from WI)) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike wrote: >A bit of an update on my project, if anyone is curious that is: > >The project has been to pick my 100 favorite shots in 35mm B&W from the past >20 or so years, from the time I entered photography school in 1982. > >I ended up with about 260 (?) "possibles" after going through thousands of >prints. First just picking the obvious inclusions--the things I couldn't >imagine leaving out--I ended up with about 50 pictures. The remaining 200 or >so I've been showing to friends and family to get their reactions and >responses. From this I've picked another 40 pictures. > >However I'm not sure any more that this project is really possible. From >some shooting projects I've done I haven't even picked one picture, and >actually from some cameras I've shot with I haven't picked a single picture >either. > >As the project has gone on I've become concerned about the number of prints >I can't find--as my memory is jogged I've thought of dozens of finished >prints that haven't turned up yet. I'm sure they're in boxes in the basement >I haven't yet searched, but I'm more than a bit chagrined at my casual >filing and storage methods. With all the work and time I have put into >printing over the years, I should be more careful about the results. > >I've also been remembering great negatives that I have never really printed >yet. One of my deceased grandmother comes to mind. > >With only 10 places left I'm starting to winnow things out of the selection >so far to make more room. One problem with this is that many of my favorite >pictures are very "quiet" pictures, offhand and plain, not obvious "hits." >As I edit down, I think too many of these are being left out. > >I guess the frustration about this comes from the fact that there is not >much difference in quality between the "first" 100 and the "second" 100. I'm >not saying they're interchangeable, just that there are so many favorite >pictures left out of the first 100 that maybe the leftovers are not so much >weaker. > >This has certainly been interesting, though. I've got to finish my new >darkroom. > >--Mike >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
X factor?
I was looking through the Sunday sales fliers this morning (Christmas IS coming, you know?) and noticed that Sears has a ZX-50/28-80 (2.8X) with a Fuji multi-pack, development mailer, and a leather camera bag for $299.99US. They state that they are so sure you'll not find a ZX-50 with 28-80 lens advertised for less, they'll send you a $100 Sears gift card if you do. Should be hard as this is the ONLY Pentax SLR advertised in the sales fliers in Atlanta this weekend. But my amusement came when I noticed that they'd expressed this lens's magnification and all others in their flier with the "X" factor. Admittedly, I have not been looking in the regular "consumer" locations for lenses, but when did they start doing this with film camera lenses? This was traditionally reserved for the video world, right? Cory Waters hoping Santa leaves me a 280T in the sock this yearbut having a little trouble telling her what it IS - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Questions: was: Re: Digital competing with film?
Questions: Are your digital images crafted as well (refined, sharp, compositionally) as your film photos? Does digital imaging improve or diminish your photography expertise (excluding learning how to print digital prints)? Does ~(ANY)~ under $2,000USD digital camera let you do what a $200 Spot can do? When will "Yeah, but" or "It's almost as good" vanish from the digital lexicon? Mafud, the digital camera owner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Processing 20+ year old film
To think that I was into medium format photography when I was 9... Tom C. > > > Hi folks, > > I recently had a look at my mother's old box brownie, and > > discovered that it still had a film in it. It is Kodak Verichrome Pan, in > > 620 format of course. I would think it would be between 20 - 25 years old. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Imprinting Problem
paul, I have shot with bulk loaded Kodak Portra 160NC loaded into non-dx cartridges and the imprinting is working fine. I would look to some other problem. Perhaps with the film itself. Bruce Dayton Monday, December 10, 2001, 2:24:28 AM, you wrote: pxwac> Anyone had any problems with the in-film data printing on an MZ-S? It's pxwac> working fine on DX-Coded film, but I cannot seem to get it to work on pxwac> bulk-rolled Delta400 in non-DX canisters. I have set the Imprinting pxwac> Density (function 15) to all of its available options but still nothing - I pxwac> have also tried all of these settings when using DX-coded film and it pxwac> appears to make NO difference to the print density. Am I doing something pxwac> daft? pxwac> Any help much appreciated as this is one of the primary reasons for camera pxwac> choice (other than ergonomics, build quality, glass pxwac> availability) pxwac> Cheers pxwac> P. pxwac> Paul Wilkinson pxwac> This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain pxwac> privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have pxwac> received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the pxwac> original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. pxwac> - pxwac> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, pxwac> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to pxwac> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My "Exciting Project" Update
Mike wrote: > I guess the frustration about this comes > from the fact that there is not much > difference in quality between the "first" > 100 and the "second" 100. I'm not saying > they're interchangeable, just that there > are so many favorite pictures left out of > the first 100 that maybe the leftovers are > not so much weaker. Mike, Two different thoughts come to mind... 1) You are tired and we are never the best critics of our own work. Step back and get a new perspective. Look at some other work. 2) Is it possible that your 1st 100 shots could be even better? Is there a final detail, an extra moment that could be spent shooting these photos that would set them apart? ...is there a threshold you need to cross to move up to the next level? All this is humbly offered. I probably havn't got 260 favorite photos and still has 20+ years of slides in boxes only partially sorted. There are 20+ years of prints and negatives too... even harder to sort thru! I admire your efforts to pull it all together. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Questions: was: Re: Digital competing with film?
Hi Mafud, You could also ask "does film imaging improve or diminish your photography expertise?" (excluding learning how to work with film) Does any $200 spot let you do what a digital camera can do? Different limitations, different advantages. Dan Scott (got no digital camera here) >Questions: >Are your digital images crafted as well (refined, sharp, compositionally) as >your film photos? >Does digital imaging improve or diminish your photography expertise >(excluding learning how to print digital prints)? >Does ~(ANY)~ under $2,000USD digital camera let you do what a $200 Spot can >do? >When will "Yeah, but" or "It's almost as good" vanish from the digital >lexicon? > >Mafud, the digital camera owner >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #1718
In a message dated 10/12/01 16:16:14 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Two other observations; A large camera shop chain down my way was unable to confirm its second hand stock, and refers you to its website, which doesn't show prices. One dealer I rang stated the last two LXs were constantly away for repairs and he wouldn't take one as a part exchange any more and suggested I bought an MX. >> Malcolm Have you tried this: http://www.camera-direct.com/used.asp LXs are sometimes temperamental. We have them serviced by Asahi Photo before sale, this service can include the fitting of new bright screens if you wish. MXs were discontinued some time ago, unlike LX, so parts etc for those will be less common. My advice is to buy the best one you can, hopefully from someone with the appropriate level of expertise. Kind regards from sunny Brighton Peter PS Love your company. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Converted to digital photography !
And where do you draw the line? Would we be allowed to talk about digital manipulation of film images? Digital printing of film images? What's more, although I don't own a digital camera, I want to keep up to date on the possibility of a digital camera that would use my pentax lenses. It's all part of the same game. It's not a separate issue. You can always set an e-mail filter to eliminate messages with the word "digital" in them, but, at least in terms of the digital darkroom, you would be missing out on some information that is important to conventional photography. Paul Jim Apilado wrote: > I just say form a list for digital Pentax users. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Converted to digital photography !
Cyril posed a few questions... [snip] >So what do they wait for ? FWIW, I'm waiting until the spring, and if there is an anouncement then, or even before that, about a forthcoming Pentax Digital SLR, then I'll wait longer for it to arrive. If there is no anouncement, I'll be buying either a new or used Canon D30 at that point, as the prices will fall rapidly IMHO after the release of the EOS D1. Perhaps I'll only put a wide zoom on it (17-35 etc) and be a digital guy. Later, if the Pentax D then becomes a reality, I'll switch to a Pentax Digital. If not and the Pentax DSLR remains a myth (perhaps in favour of P and S or whatever), I'll probably invest in some more Canon (mount) glass :-(, and have to sell a K mount lens or three :-(, which is a shame but it will suit the kind of photography I do, and that's the most important thing, much as I love Pentax equipment and good Pentax glass. However, I won't be selling my LX nor the A*85 1.4 :-), so I can still use a Pentax camera :-) and contribute to the PDML and PUG :-) Why? Well, you just have to hold an LX to know ;-) Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Ads
Okay, here's a great one -page ad for the LX: A squalid crowd of paparazzi all fighting and arguing amongst themselves, trying to get a view of some dingy stage door, with a doorman pushing them away, obviously in distress and anger, flashes going off, fists flying, you get the idea. Then away from the crowd, one (smartly dressed of course) photographer, panama hat at a nice relaxed angle, quietly getting a shot of the starlet who is sneaking out a side door, but taking the time to pause an assume a gorgeous pouting look for our hero, before she slips into the waiting limo A bit sexists, but sexism sells! The girly version might be different... The caption? 'Pentax LX: In a League of it's Own' ;-) Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Ads
Aussies are notorious for hating any of their countrymen who actually make a living at what they like doing. Especially if that fame is outside Australia. And their wives aren't Aussie either (Paul's first was). Check the history and you will find that the reason the British used the Aussie troops in WWI at Gallipoli and in WWII in North Africa mainly is that they were so hard to control and lacked military discipline that they wanted to use them as far from the UK and their own units as possible. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christian Skofteland Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Pentax Ads My wife is Australian and had no idea who Steve Irwin was until she moved to the US. Funny how two Aussies that are hated in their own country (Steve and Paul Hogan) have become icons in America... Oh, and the other thing my wife constantly tells me is that Fosters is for export only. No Aussie in his/her right mind would drink it! Anybody for a VB? Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Paul Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:25 AM > > Subject: Re: Pentax Ads > > > > > > > i hadn't thought of it that way, as he being ours spokesman. > > > > > > I wonder if he is a decent photographer. i kinda doubt he is. > > > > > > I hope Americans dont see him as a Spokesman for Australia! > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Dan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:57 PM > > > Subject: Re: Pentax Ads > > > > > > > > > > My son (recently 5) loves to watch Irwin and I don't mind watching > > things > > > > bite him. I mentally retitle his show "Amazingly Dumb things to do > with > > > > Dangerous Animals". :-) But, hey, he's our spokesman now... (sort of) > > > > > > > > Dan Scott > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > >I really disliked Steve Irwin and i think to most Australians he is > a > > > bit > > > > >of a joke. He's alot more popular in the US from what i see than here > > in > > > > >Aus. Now however I think i like him more since he shoots with Pentax > > :) > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > >Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: New Pentax digital SLR
Several times now people have alluded to this Olympus interchangeable lens digital camera. Is there any information available on it? It seems like olympus might really have the upperhand hand here since (I assume) they will be designing an entirely new lens line specifically for digital - maybe even stardardizing on a less than full frame chip. Eric >From: Pål Audun Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Nothing of the sort. They did shelve the IS 300 because it wasn't >competitive (obsolete). They have release the Optio series which is highly >contemporary, competitive and far from obsolete. They same can be done for >digital slr's. Just look at Olympus soon to be released digital slr with >interchangeable lenses. It may set the standard. > > >Pål >- _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Questions: was: Re: Digital competing with film?
The usual stupid Mafud response. what is so hard for him to understand that the original poster was satisfied with his digital experience...'nuff said. The poster has no responsibility to answer when Mafud questions... Jerry in Houston In a message dated 12/10/2001 9:56:47 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj:Questions: was: Re: Digital competing with film? > Date:12/10/2001 9:56:47 AM Central Standard Time > From:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-to:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent from the Internet > > > > Questions: > Are your digital images crafted as well (refined, sharp, compositionally) > as > your film photos? > Does digital imaging improve or diminish your photography expertise > (excluding learning how to print digital prints)? > Does ~(ANY)~ under $2,000USD digital camera let you do what a $200 Spot can > > do? > When will "Yeah, but" or "It's almost as good" vanish from the digital > lexicon? > > Mafud, the digital camera owner > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MX, & Dec PUG
Darryn, Thanks for your kind comment. I'm really glad you like it. You made my day. Matjaz > > Speaking of ashtrays, I simply cannot stop looking at "Caught in the > Glass" by Matjaz Osojnik. Every time I open the PUG page, I need to > look at this again. It looks like the moon. Congratulations Matjaz. > > > Darryn Richter > Australia - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S Imprinting Problem
Hi, I'm not sure if this is can solve part of your problem, but when I was making tests for figuring out hot data imprinting works, once I changed PF 15 four times during the same roll of film. I expected to see changes in data print density but - nothing, nada. So finally I remembered that it was said here at PDML how the camera imprints data during rewind. Obviously, it imprints data as PF 15 was set when rewind took place. And, since PF15 was set at 4 (high density imprinting) during rewind, all data was lost because of the overexposure (film used wasHP5 at 400 ASA). Can't tell anything about non DX coded canisters since I haven't used them with MZ-S, though. Hope it helps, Matjaz > Anyone had any problems with the in-film data printing on an MZ-S? > It's working fine on DX-Coded film, but I cannot seem to get it to > work on bulk-rolled Delta400 in non-DX canisters. I have set the > Imprinting Density (function 15) to all of its available options but > still nothing - I have also tried all of these settings when using > DX-coded film and it appears to make NO difference to the print > density. Am I doing something daft? > > Any help much appreciated as this is one of the primary reasons for > camera choice (other than ergonomics, build quality, glass > availability) > > Cheers > P. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: New Pentax digital SLR
If this is true the Olympus will have one big built in disadvantage that is the same one the Contax has. Because they are using a new lens line there are no used lenses available so initial costs will be extremely high. The entire advantage of a 35mm type lens mount digital camera is that lots of glass from old to new is available to use on it. No matter if the Contax has 6 MP and interchangeable lenses if the first lens you need to buy for your shooting costs you the camera plus an extra $2k it won't sell even in a 1:10 ratio to something like the EOS-1D which would allow somebody to get in at close to 1/2 the costs with several advantages depending on your type of shooting. If Olympus does do this it better be under $2k or they will be in the dead camera maker category in another 5 years just from the R&D costs if they can't sell enough of them. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Eric Lawton Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Pentax digital SLR Several times now people have alluded to this Olympus interchangeable lens digital camera. Is there any information available on it? It seems like olympus might really have the upperhand hand here since (I assume) they will be designing an entirely new lens line specifically for digital - maybe even stardardizing on a less than full frame chip. Eric >From: Pål Audun Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Nothing of the sort. They did shelve the IS 300 because it wasn't >competitive (obsolete). They have release the Optio series which is highly >contemporary, competitive and far from obsolete. They same can be done for >digital slr's. Just look at Olympus soon to be released digital slr with >interchangeable lenses. It may set the standard. > > >Pål >- _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Filter Factors (was Re: Using a Yellow Filter)
For anyone interested in this thread, I put together a table of filter factors for various Kodak films and Wratten filters. The information came from Kodak's Professional Photoguide. What is clear is that filter factors are not absolute, i.e., medium yellow = a factor of 2.0, or one stop. Different films and different lighting conditions may require different factors and exposure compensation for the same filter. I hope this will be helpful. You can find the information here: http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/cameras/filterfactors.html This chart does not consider meter sensitivity at all. As Bill Robb pointed out, some meters are not at all linear in their response to color. It's also been stated that some meters are calibrated for 18% grey, and others for 13% grey, although I'm not sure how that may affect things in this case. So, unless you've tested each film/filter combination, it's probably a wise idea to bracket rather than relying solely on the manufacturers stated filter factor or your meter readings. General rules-of-thumb may get useable exposures, but careful attention to all factors will assure higher quality negatives. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Items on eBay
Stan, I saw that too. Was thinking about bidding on it, since the seller lives within 30 min of my home . . . left it go too long though, and when I came back, bidding was over. DOH Oh well, maybe someone else on the list got it? Illinois Bill Stan Halpin wrote: > FYI - I was just browsing eBay, haven't been there in awhile, curious to see > how prices are. > > Items spotted: > > A* 200mm f/2.8 with BIN of $695, closing soon. > > 135mm f/4.0 Macro for P67, current high bid (under reserve) is $75.00 > > Not my lenses, though I would make that 200/2.8 one of mine if I had any > room left on the cards . . . > > stan > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Converted to digital photography !
Jim writes: >I enjoy conventional photography be it with a 35mm, APS, 110, or medium >format. I like reading about conventional photography on the Pentax list. >I glance at the digital offering but don't find any of it of interest. >Those that do I just say form a list for digital Pentax users. That's one point. I personally couldn't give two hoots (!) about 6X7 gear (although I scan every post [digest mode] for anything of value or relevance to my interests) but that doesn't mean I think anyone wanting to participate in 6X7 chat should go off and found a new email list. The PDML is for users of Pentax gear, and as Pentax make digital cameras, that surely is fair game. After all, it's much easier to hit the delete button, or in the case of digest users, keep scrolling! Besides, I've still got plenty to learn, and there's people on this list, yourself included with plenty to teach. I'd hate to split us all up for fear of missing something valuable. .02 pence Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The hunt for an LX has begun
>> ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) > > > >I think our friend Cotty's devloping a tick. > > LOL yeah - a real nervous tick - type wink. Like Inspector Clousea's boss in the Pink Panther films. I can't help it - it's the LX! Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: greater Chicagoland PDMLers unite!
I like that idea - perhaps April? Maris - Original Message - From: "Mike Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Maris V. Lidaka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <""@mail4.mx.voyager.net>; "Richard Seaman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "gabriel bovino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 8:52 AM Subject: Re: greater Chicagoland PDMLers unite! | Bob, | December and early Jan are out for me (I'll be in Maine) and as you know, | Jan and Feb aren't terribly hospitable months to wander around the city. How | about planning a Springtime get-together well in advance? | | Might give some out-of-towners time to plan a trip if they want to come. | | Just a thought. I'll try to make whatever you all end up planning. | | --Mike | | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | > Richard, Maris, Gabriel, Mike, & Mark, | > | > I think we could arrange something in Chicago. | > | > Downtown and the lake shore are the first places that comes to mind to visit. | > (This would also allow a visit to Helix for Mike and Central Camera too!) | > We could range anywhere in the ~3 miles along the lake shore from Megs | > airfield and the Museum campus (Aquarium, Planetarium, Natural History - | > 'Sue' the Dinosaur) to Navy Pier, to the Lincoln Park Zoo and Conservatory on | > the North side. | > | > Tell me about timing as December is becoming a bit crowded. A weekend is | > probably the best, but some of you may be planning some vacation days around | > the holidays. (Thursdays are often 'free' days at our museums. I'll check | > for interesting photographic exhibits.) | > | > Of course, if anybody else on the PDML wants to fly in for the get together, | > you are all welcome. | > | > Regards, Bob S. | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Australians
They hate Paul Hogan because he dumped his wife of 30-odd years for Linda Kazowlski (his co-star in Crocodile Dundee). I will not respond to the rest Kent because I admire and respect Australians and I won't get into a flame war about it. If you want to learn about the TRUE Australian psyche read "In a Sunburned Country" The book has good insight about how Aussies view themselves and their relationship to England and the world. Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Kent Gittings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:05 PM Subject: RE: Pentax Ads > Aussies are notorious for hating any of their countrymen who actually make a > living at what they like doing. Especially if that fame is outside > Australia. And their wives aren't Aussie either (Paul's first was). > Check the history and you will find that the reason the British used the > Aussie troops in WWI at Gallipoli and in WWII in North Africa mainly is that > they were so hard to control and lacked military discipline that they wanted > to use them as far from the UK and their own units as possible. > Kent Gittings - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Camera direct link.
Peter, Thanks for the link (which today of course, failed to give more than the main page, stating the site couldn't be found). I will try again tomorrow. Well the MX/LX debate shows no sign of letting up! That dealer, who was down the LX, thought the parts situation was worse for the LX - not that I care - I'm getting one :-) For every ten "never let me down" stories there is one "crap camera" story and I wonder if at one time there was a quality control problem. I have never (touch wood) had problems with the MX - well, none of the camera's making! Still, enjoyed this mornings frost and finished a roll of slide film off on the way back from dropping the boys off at school. The forest is great at this time of year! Regards from Epping Forest. Malcolm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Converted to digital photography !
Begin Original Message From: Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 17:45:50 + To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Converted to digital photography ! 'Cotty Penned' & i snipped >. If there is no anouncement, I'll be buying >either a new or used Canon D30 at that point, as the prices will fall r>apidly IMHO after the release of the EOS D1. . Later, if the Pentax D >then becomes a reality, I'll switch to a Pentax Digital. If not and the >Pentax DSLR remains a myth (perhaps in favour of P and S or whatever), I'>ll probably invest in some more Canon (mount) glass :-(, and have to >ll a K mount lens or three :-(, which is a shame but it will suit the >kind of photography I do, and that's the most important thing, much as I >love Pentax equipment and good Pentax glass. >so I can still >use a Pentax camera :-) and contribute to the PDML and PUG :-) . >Why? Well, you just have to hold an LX to know ;-) >Cotty I would have loved to wait and have Pentax sell me a quality digital SLR type camera,but the opportunity to by the D1 has come before any production by Pentax. I am in the same boat you might find your self in Cotty,in that i have to buy Neigh Neigh kon glass for it.(35-70 and looking for the 80-200 f2.8's) So far i'm able to keep the Pentax glass to use.It may not be super quality(35-80 and 80-200) but i'm happy with it. BTW any one use the SMC fa 100-300 zoom(f 4.5-6.7)i think. I say one in a small store today for $359.00 Cand.I have the Sigma 100-300 f 4.5-6.7 and have nothing to compare it to.I payed slightly less for the Sigma than what they want for the Pentax. Dave ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: X factor?
Saw a similar deal in a local (shudder)Future Shop.The mz-50 with same zoom but no film deal for $379.00 Can or about $229.00 USd.Almost bought it,but i'm holding out for the mz-5n or Z-1p Dave On a side note re Future Shop.Why do they sell Canon printers and sell Canon ink's but only 5 of the 6 you need for the BJC 8200 and S800.Seems kind of nuts to buy 3 sets of 5 inks then have to phone Canon Canada to courier 1 ink tank Just curious? Begin Original Message From: "C or B Waters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:47:01 -0500 To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: X factor? I was looking through the Sunday sales fliers this morning (Christmas IS coming, you know?) and noticed that Sears has a ZX-50/28-80 (2.8X) with a Fuji multi-pack, development mailer, and a leather camera bag for $299.99US. They state that they are so sure you'll not find a ZX-50 with 28-80 lens advertised for less, they'll send you a $100 Sears gift card if you do. Should be hard as this is the ONLY Pentax SLR advertised in the sales fliers in Atlanta this weekend. But my amusement came when I noticed that they'd expressed this lens's magnification and all others in their flier with the "X" factor. Admittedly, I have not been looking in the regular "consumer" locations for lenses, but when did they start doing this with film camera lenses? This was traditionally reserved for the video world, right? Cory Waters hoping Santa leaves me a 280T in the sock this yearbut having a little trouble telling her what it IS - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: How sealed is the MZ-S ?
> If there any other Pentax model which does a better job at sealing ? > > Thanks > Chris Yep, 3 P&S models, 90WR, 100WR and 105WR :-) Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: X factor?
Because they're DORKS... which is why they closed shop in the U.S. I've been in two of their stores in Vancouver, B.C. Believe it or not, they are better than there American counterparts were. BTW, the local CompripoffUSA store in town, sells 128mb RAM for 20USD more than the mom & pop 2 minutes down the street. Did I mention that I like to take pitchers? OK... my response is still on topic! :-) Tom C. - Original Message - From: "David Brooks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: Re: X factor? > Saw a similar deal in a local (shudder)Future Shop.The > mz-50 with same zoom but no film deal for $379.00 Can > or about $229.00 USd.Almost bought it,but i'm holding out > for the mz-5n or Z-1p > > Dave > > On a side note re Future Shop.Why do they sell Canon > printers and sell Canon ink's but only 5 of the 6 you need for the > BJC 8200 and S800.Seems kind of nuts to buy 3 sets of 5 inks > then have to phone Canon Canada to courier 1 ink tank > Just curious? > Begin Original Message > From: "C or B Waters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:47:01 -0500 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: X factor? > > I was looking through the Sunday sales fliers this morning (Christmas IS > coming, you know?) and noticed that Sears has a ZX-50/28-80 (2.8X) with a > Fuji multi-pack, development mailer, and a leather camera bag for > $299.99US. They state that they are so sure you'll not find a ZX-50 with > 28-80 lens advertised for less, they'll send you a $100 Sears gift card if > you do. > Should be hard as this is the ONLY Pentax SLR advertised in the sales fliers > in Atlanta this weekend. > > But my amusement came when I noticed that they'd expressed this lens's > magnification and all others in their flier with the "X" factor. > Admittedly, I have not been looking in the regular "consumer" locations for > lenses, but when did they start doing this with film camera lenses? This was > traditionally reserved for the video world, right? > > Cory Waters > hoping Santa leaves me a 280T in the sock this yearbut having a little > trouble telling her what it IS > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > End Original Message > > > > Pentax User > Stouffville Ontario Canada > > Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Questions: was: Re: Digital competing with film?
I remember sending out a resume printed with a Xerox daisywheel printer. I got a 35% written response from it. That was shortly after lasers had taken over the market. I think the recipients thought they were hand typed. Other than with the daisywheel printer I never have gotten much more than a 3% response from a resume. I do have to admit that the actual percentage of interviews were about the same. Ciao, graywolf - Original Message - From: aimcompute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:02 PM Subject: Re: Questions: was: Re: Digital competing with film? > I remember NLQ printers. I actually did my resume with them and got hired. > I would never dream of that now. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Australians
Actually I admire and respect them also. I personally think Paul was a stinker for that but I happen to like Steve Irwin. Anybody the English look down on is my type of people. Met several of them during Nam. Only problem was I wasn't a big drinker and they were. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christian Skofteland Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Australians They hate Paul Hogan because he dumped his wife of 30-odd years for Linda Kazowlski (his co-star in Crocodile Dundee). I will not respond to the rest Kent because I admire and respect Australians and I won't get into a flame war about it. If you want to learn about the TRUE Australian psyche read "In a Sunburned Country" The book has good insight about how Aussies view themselves and their relationship to England and the world. Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Kent Gittings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:05 PM Subject: RE: Pentax Ads > Aussies are notorious for hating any of their countrymen who actually make a > living at what they like doing. Especially if that fame is outside > Australia. And their wives aren't Aussie either (Paul's first was). > Check the history and you will find that the reason the British used the > Aussie troops in WWI at Gallipoli and in WWII in North Africa mainly is that > they were so hard to control and lacked military discipline that they wanted > to use them as far from the UK and their own units as possible. > Kent Gittings - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Australians
Christian Skofteland wrote: > > If you want to learn about the TRUE Australian psyche read "In a Sunburned > Country" The book has good insight about how Aussies view themselves and > their relationship to England and the world. Or just ask some of us. We are mostly approachable and always have well informed opinions and will air them at the drop of a hat. Aussies make great cab drivers. Australians are a wierd mob though, although 90 per cent of the population live in cities, most relate to "the bush" or country side. Aussies also like to maintain the "aussie battler" image which more than anything represses Australians to never quite achieving many goals in life. Should you rise above the battler class you are seen to be a toff and scorned by others. So it seems the goal is a life of perpetual struggle to free yourself from the lower classes but must never achieve it. Many see England as a the oppressors, as we established as a penal colony by England and so there has alway been an under=current of dissent to authority and a wish to be free of it. Many Australians like to think of themselves not as English dissendants but as Australians and scorn their British heritage. I was talking with an English friend of mine who married an Aussie girl ( undoubtalby the prettiest in the world ;), and his wife remarked after they had taken a trip to England visiting 300 year old churches in little villages, that Australia lacks any true heritage, to which my English friend replied that the English heritage IS the Australian heritage. I could not help but think he was correct, yet this remark seemed to be greeted with scorn from the aussies present. I think most Australians would like to divest themselves of England and go it alone. However, a recent referendum for a republic was defeated. There are still alot of Monachists about. If you would like to talk further on this, please contact me off-list, alway like a chat. Kind regards Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Questions: was: Re: Digital competing with film?
In a message dated 12/10/01 1:27:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > "The usual stupid Mafud response." Nothing in my post is a "response" but original questions. Why does my posting bother you so? And I'm "stupid" to ask a question? > the original poster was > satisfied with his digital experience...'nuff said." Why do you and other have to make your own statements third person? Or aren't you certain of what you're saying? > he poster has no responsibility to answer when Mafud questions..." But then, neither did you. Until you or someone by-damn takes me off this list, I'll post when and where I please, and on what topics I find a need to > > > And why, 'Jerry in Houston," didn't you answer my legitimate, open > questions yourself instead of starting something with me you can't finish? > > In a message dated 12/10/2001 9:56:47 AM Central Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Questions: > > Are your digital images crafted as well (refined, sharp, compositionally) > > as > > your film photos? > >> > (excluding learning how to print digital prints)? > > Does ~(ANY)~ under $2,000USD digital camera let you do what a $200 Spot > can > > > > do? > > When will "Yeah, but" or "It's almost as good" vanish from the digital > > lexicon? > > > Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Australians
I like Steve too. I force the wife to watch his shows. She doesn't actually hate him she just thinks he's a bit over the top. Christian Skofteland [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Kent Gittings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: RE: Australians > Actually I admire and respect them also. I personally think Paul was a > stinker for that but I happen to like Steve Irwin. Anybody the English look > down on is my type of people. Met several of them during Nam. Only problem > was I wasn't a big drinker and they were. > Kent Gittings > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christian Skofteland > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:12 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Australians > > > They hate Paul Hogan because he dumped his wife of 30-odd years for Linda > Kazowlski (his co-star in Crocodile Dundee). > > I will not respond to the rest Kent because I admire and respect Australians > and I won't get into a flame war about it. > > If you want to learn about the TRUE Australian psyche read "In a Sunburned > Country" The book has good insight about how Aussies view themselves and > their relationship to England and the world. > > Christian Skofteland > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kent Gittings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:05 PM > Subject: RE: Pentax Ads > > > > Aussies are notorious for hating any of their countrymen who actually make > a > > living at what they like doing. Especially if that fame is outside > > Australia. And their wives aren't Aussie either (Paul's first was). > > Check the history and you will find that the reason the British used the > > Aussie troops in WWI at Gallipoli and in WWII in North Africa mainly is > that > > they were so hard to control and lacked military discipline that they > wanted > > to use them as far from the UK and their own units as possible. > > Kent Gittings > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > ** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ** > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX hunting
Hi, there are usually a few knocking around in London. I noticed one on Saturday at London Camera Exchange on the Strand, although I didn't check the condition. It was priced at £350- but they'd probably move on that. It had a Grip B and the strap lugs with it, which are worth £20-30. Pentax in Slough can apparently service them, although I've never used their facilities directly. There are other people around who can fix it, probably including Sendean on Oxford St.. At one time I had 3 LXs and made sure that I got as long a warranty as possible so that I could get the sticky mirror problem repaired under warranty (always necessary). When you buy a used LX you must be prepared for this problem, and factor it into the overall cost, but once it's been fixed it should last at least another 15-20 years. But, finding a technician who can work on them isn't necessarily straightforward. There is an organisation called the Pentax Club which publishes the worst photo magazine in this part of the galaxy but which does regularly have private ads for LXs at pretty decent prices. Warranty claims are not invalidated by distance. If you're willing to ship the thing around the country they have to honour it. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "You don't stir the water before fishing" - Henri Cartier-Bresson Monday, December 10, 2001, 3:07:01 PM, you wrote: > I should have known that it looked too simple! > As I previously posted, I found some LX bodies for between £250 - 350, but > they are all hundreds of miles away and no good for any warranty claims, so > I thought I'd ring a few local shops. As I thought, no one has one locally, > but interestingly quite a few thought that really good bodies would be £250 > at the top end. > Two other observations; A large camera shop chain down my way was unable to > confirm its second hand stock, and refers you to its website, which doesn't > show prices. One dealer I rang stated the last two LXs were constantly away > for repairs and he wouldn't take one as a part exchange any more and > suggested I bought an MX. > Oh, and I couldn't find any private sales of one. > Malcolm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: 135mm 1.8 or faster
Jeez, Albano, I think I'd buy it at $1100, sell it on eBay for the $1400 or so, and pocket the $300 profit! t On 12/10/01 5:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Then the one in mint condition I saw in a store here for just 1100 usd is a > bargain? > ;-) > > Maybe if I win the loto > > Albano - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Australians
I've heard that Australia has the largest per capita beer consumption on Earth. If so, they're my kind of folks. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Actually I admire and respect them also. I personally think Paul was a > stinker for that but I happen to like Steve Irwin. Anybody the English look > down on is my type of people. Met several of them during Nam. Only problem > was I wasn't a big drinker and they were. > Kent Gittings - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Ads
Dave Weiss queried Hey, Say, here is a potential dumb thread, how would you advertise your favorite pentax camera? It has got to be better than the croc hunter ad. Maybe we could award a prize for creativity. I have a few items floating around dave Dave, I mentioned this to Christian S. the other day when we met for lunch (totally on topic huh?)- somewhere I have a picture of one of my LXen on the ground, on a tropical island forest Maya dig in northern Belize I volunteered on, surrounded by a Swiss Army knife, Leatherman, dental picks, and I believe a trowel. The photo was taken with another LX. If this camera is hearty enough to survive that is what I originally thought when I took the shot. I think I have a shot taken at "America's Stonehenge" in New Hampshire that is along the same lines but not as rustic. I just have to come up with the wording. But the visual is there. I would probably put the image beside the shot I submitted to the LX gallery - a table mounted shot taken in Auto inside an upscale restaurant in the Florida panhandle. Talk about fitting in both worlds... Oops, I meant ;-) Cesar Matamoros II Panama City, Florida in Baltimore, Maryland again - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: 135mm 1.8 or faster
me too I dont make enuff money to pass up on bargains to resell. jco > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Timothy Sherburne > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:20 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: 135mm 1.8 or faster > > > Jeez, Albano, I think I'd buy it at $1100, sell it on eBay for > the $1400 or > so, and pocket the $300 profit! > > t > > On 12/10/01 5:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Then the one in mint condition I saw in a store here for just > 1100 usd is a > > bargain? > > ;-) > > > > Maybe if I win the loto > > > > Albano > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Australians
It's not an Australian trate, take John Lenon, he dumpted his wife for Yoko NoNo(must have been stoned), so we can't pidgeon-hole them. I served alongside both Australian and New Zealand forces (ANZUK) in the seventies and had many good. friends, both married and single. Sure it was bad for PH to have left his wife of 30 years, but there is probably more to the story than told. Just a few thoughts. James - Original Message - From: "Kent Gittings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: RE: Australians > Actually I admire and respect them also. I personally think Paul was a > stinker for that but I happen to like Steve Irwin. Anybody the English look > down on is my type of people. Met several of them during Nam. Only problem > was I wasn't a big drinker and they were. > Kent Gittings > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christian Skofteland > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:12 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Australians > > > They hate Paul Hogan because he dumped his wife of 30-odd years for Linda > Kazowlski (his co-star in Crocodile Dundee). > > I will not respond to the rest Kent because I admire and respect Australians > and I won't get into a flame war about it. > > If you want to learn about the TRUE Australian psyche read "In a Sunburned > Country" The book has good insight about how Aussies view themselves and > their relationship to England and the world. > > Christian Skofteland > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - Original Message - > From: "Kent Gittings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 1:05 PM > Subject: RE: Pentax Ads > > > > Aussies are notorious for hating any of their countrymen who actually make > a > > living at what they like doing. Especially if that fame is outside > > Australia. And their wives aren't Aussie either (Paul's first was). > > Check the history and you will find that the reason the British used the > > Aussie troops in WWI at Gallipoli and in WWII in North Africa mainly is > that > > they were so hard to control and lacked military discipline that they > wanted > > to use them as far from the UK and their own units as possible. > > Kent Gittings > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > ** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ** > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and a confession
I shoot pretty much in the same way with the MX than I used to do with the PZ-1, and the ZX-5n. With the PZ-1, I used Hyper Program most of the time, but took readings, usually off a sidewalk or similarly mid-greay area, and used the ML button. When you shoot that way, a manual camera and an automatic one feel pretty similar. That's the main reason I haven't picked up a cheap MV or MG: the lack of an exposure lock button. Of course, my exposures are all over the place, but that's because I suck, not because my technique is bad :-) j On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I almost always shoot with the LX in aperture priority mode, but I use the > exposure compensation dial to adjust for the scene. That way I can take advantage > of the off the film metering and the stepless shutter. The exposure compensation > affords me as much control as manual exposure would and involves just as much > thought and decision making. I also use an MX quite often, which is of course > fully manual. While its exposures are good, they're not quite a match for those > of the LX. > Paul > > Peter Lacus wrote: > > > Isaac Crawford wrote: > > > > > I had a similar experience when going from my LX to a M6. At first I was > > > sort of bummed because I didn't have aperature priority, but then I noticed > > > that my exposures were always dead on with the Leica. The difference was > > > that I was involved in every decision instead of letting the camera do it > > > for me. From then on I shot the LX in manual whenever I could... > > > > same here. Usually I preset both aperture and shutter on my MX based on > > my experience and subject tonality, then I check meter LEDs and if I > > agree with meter readings I take a shot. If I disagree, I take shot > > anyway and complaining about bad meter. ;-) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Peter > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: LX hunting
Very interesting. Was that price for a body only, including the grip and lugs? I suppose I should get off my backside and go into London, but that means going by public transport with 3 small children. I bought both my MXs from (I think they were called ) City Cameras in Bishopsgate - don't know if they are still there or not. The warranty issues are to make sure I don't get some dog; if they are prepared to sell it with a long warranty then it is probably a good one, although I have taken onboard the groups comments - thanks. I've not heard of the Pentax club but what you say doesn't surprise me, sadly. I have interests in two types of car and some publications make me cringe. I dislike shipping things around the country, as it is too convenient to put damage/poor repairs directed at the postal/courier services, but I hear what you say. Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Walkden Sent: 10 December 2001 21:03 To: Malcolm Smith Subject: Re: LX hunting Hi, there are usually a few knocking around in London. I noticed one on Saturday at London Camera Exchange on the Strand, although I didn't check the condition. It was priced at £350- but they'd probably move on that. It had a Grip B and the strap lugs with it, which are worth £20-30. Pentax in Slough can apparently service them, although I've never used their facilities directly. There are other people around who can fix it, probably including Sendean on Oxford St.. At one time I had 3 LXs and made sure that I got as long a warranty as possible so that I could get the sticky mirror problem repaired under warranty (always necessary). When you buy a used LX you must be prepared for this problem, and factor it into the overall cost, but once it's been fixed it should last at least another 15-20 years. But, finding a technician who can work on them isn't necessarily straightforward. There is an organisation called the Pentax Club which publishes the worst photo magazine in this part of the galaxy but which does regularly have private ads for LXs at pretty decent prices. Warranty claims are not invalidated by distance. If you're willing to ship the thing around the country they have to honour it. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "You don't stir the water before fishing" - Henri Cartier-Bresson Monday, December 10, 2001, 3:07:01 PM, you wrote: > I should have known that it looked too simple! > As I previously posted, I found some LX bodies for between £250 - 350, but > they are all hundreds of miles away and no good for any warranty claims, so > I thought I'd ring a few local shops. As I thought, no one has one locally, > but interestingly quite a few thought that really good bodies would be £250 > at the top end. > Two other observations; A large camera shop chain down my way was unable to > confirm its second hand stock, and refers you to its website, which doesn't > show prices. One dealer I rang stated the last two LXs were constantly away > for repairs and he wouldn't take one as a part exchange any more and > suggested I bought an MX. > Oh, and I couldn't find any private sales of one. > Malcolm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Ads
Very true > Oh, and the other thing my wife > constantly tells me is that Fosters is for export only. No Aussie in > his/her right mind would drink it! Anybody for a VB? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Ads
Tom, How'd you find out what i was doing on the weekend ? :) - Original Message - From: "Tom Rittenhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 12:52 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Ads > Sure we do! All Aussys are brainless idiots who pick up poisonous snake, let > crocs chew on their leg, tease water buffalo, etc when they are not driving > their Subaru at excessive speed through the desert while drinking oil can, > after oil can, of Fosters. > . > Ciao, > graywolf > > > > - Original Message - > From: Paul Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:25 AM > Subject: Re: Pentax Ads > > > > i hadn't thought of it that way, as he being ours spokesman. > > > > I wonder if he is a decent photographer. i kinda doubt he is. > > > > I hope Americans dont see him as a Spokesman for Australia! > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Dan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:57 PM > > Subject: Re: Pentax Ads > > > > > > > My son (recently 5) loves to watch Irwin and I don't mind watching > things > > > bite him. I mentally retitle his show "Amazingly Dumb things to do with > > > Dangerous Animals". :-) But, hey, he's our spokesman now... (sort of) > > > > > > Dan Scott > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > >I really disliked Steve Irwin and i think to most Australians he is a > > bit > > > >of a joke. He's alot more popular in the US from what i see than here > in > > > >Aus. Now however I think i like him more since he shoots with Pentax > :) > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > >Paul > > > > > > > >- Original Message - > > > >From: "Isaac Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:52 PM > > > >Subject: Re: Pentax Ads > > > > > > > > > > > >> - Original Message - > > > >> From: Dave Weiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> To: pentax-discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 9:39 PM > > > >> Subject: Pentax Ads > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > They also show that crocidile hunter guy with crocs snapping at his > > > >heals > > > >> > which is somehow suppose to make us want to bring a pentax with us > on > > > >our > > > >> > adventures? Not sure hwo effective that is. > > > >> > > > > >> > Say, here is a potential dumb thread, how would you advertise your > > > >> favorite > > > >> > pentax camera? It has got to be better than the croc hunter ad. > > Maybe > > > >we > > > >> > could award a prize for creativity. I have a few items floating > > > >> around > > > >> > > > >> Actually, there is a piece of Pentax promo lit. around that has > > Steve > > > >> Irwin talking about his K1000 and his MZ-S. I think that they could > > push > > > >the > > > >> nature and adventure angle pretty well with him if they wanted to. It > > > >would > > > >> be pretty easy to shoot footage of him taking pictures of various > > nasties > > > >> and then running for his life... "Whew, that was close, thank > goodness > > the > > > >> MZ-S is made of magnesium, if I had an F100, I'd be dead for sure..." > > The > > > >> possibilites are enfless... > > > >> > > > >> Isaac > > > >> - > > > >> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > > >> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > > >> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > >- > > > >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > > >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > > >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > - > > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Alligator Guy
Pentax should have thrown some money at Matias Klum and used him as there spokesman, but unfortunatley Nikon did and stole him away. - Original Message - From: "Mike Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:13 AM Subject: Alligator Guy > Paul J. wrote: > > > i hadn't thought of it that way, as he being ours spokesman. > > > > I wonder if he is a decent photographer. i kinda doubt he is. > > > > I hope Americans dont see him as a Spokesman for Australia! > > > > I wonder too about the connection to photography. Maybe I've just been > immersed in "photography culture" for too long, but the Jack Hanna > nature-guy type of thing doesn't make a connection to photography for me. > (I'd much rather see just a good big portrait of a camera with some prints > and a Spotmatic in the background, even.) > > My experience in the magazine biz is that non-specialist marketers don't > always have the surest insights about marketing photography. I had an > interesting experience with a newsstand consultant my company hired. He was > NYC hotshot who charged a pile of money. He had all sorts of rules for > designing covers that would sell--pretty girls, white background, lots of > blurbs in the upper left hand corner, lots of color. So we hired a > professional fashion photographer, followed all his rules to the T, and > produced a cover entirely to his guidelines. He approved highly of our > efforts. > > [Jul/Aug 1997 for those who might have back issues of _Photo Techniques_.] > > A little while earlier I had done a cover with a cyanotype of a cow skull > and the single blurb, centrally placed, that said "The New Cyanotype" > [Jan/Feb 1997]. The newsstand consultant wrote a 2-page diatribe to the > publisher about how awful the cover was, how I was ignoring his advice and > learning nothing from him, and that the cover was one of the worst he'd ever > seen. > > Guess which one sold better on the newsstand for us? The cow skull cover, by > a good margin. The fashion shot that followed all the "cover" rules was a > weak seller for us. > > I don't know from marketing. But I had one little advantage--I knew my > audience. > > I'd bet dollars to doughnuts I could come up with a marketing campaign that > would spike Pentax's sales. > > But of course I'm not a marketer. > > --Mike > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S functionality (was RE: Pentax)
> John wrote: > Stan - I'm with you on this, with the one exception that I don't have > any problem reaching the focus selection button - but then I do have > long fingers. Hi all, just want to share my 0.02. In many user reviews there is a complaint about how idiotic or hard to use AF point selection interface is. While I can agree that it might not be the best way to do it (for example, personally I like the joy-stick of Contax N1 best), I really have no trouble using it. When camera is in horizontal position, I can use it both ways: 1) with left hand middle finger I can easily reach for the selector to push it upwards and then simultaneously rotate the main dial in desired direction or 2) with right hand middle finger to do the same; no. 1 is the way I use it as it seems more natural to me. However, when the camera is held vertically, it is reallyeasy to do it with the right hand middle finger. Due to the tiny change in the position of the right hand which holds the camera from above, middle finger just falls right onto the selector and the thumb can easily rotate the main dial to desired AF frame. No fuzz. There is also a plus to this interface: while with cameras from other companies one needs to toggle the switch (1), then push the button (true, not hard to reach) to get to the desired AF point (2), and finally, when the desired AF point is selected, again to toggle the switch to lock AF point (3). With MZ-S, move 3 is already done, since you only take the finger of the AF point selector and it jumps into locked position. I don't say that MZ-S way is better, maybe it is not, but I really don't find it hard to use. Apart from that, I can't see anything to complain about ergonomics of MZ-S. Every button is straightforward only_one_ function button with instant readout from the slanted top plate that I find great for easy readout. Here we come to the second usual complain about why there is no metering pattern info in viewfinder. As I see it, Pentax has introduced slanted top panel with the idea that certain information is not needed on outside LCD, than again on viewfinder LCD and so on. The idea was that there is no need for double info. And I feel that they succeeded. Slanted panel does just that. The metering switch is so clear that its position is visible whether you have the eye at the viewfinder, or above the camera on tripod or you being behind the camera. Comparing to MZ-3 I find MZ-S to be a similar camera in basic concept, easier to handle, with bonus of much better viewfinder, hypermanual operation and especially lightning fast change between manual and aperture priority mode, up-to date flash system, more silent operation, (pseudo) MLU, continous AF and more AF points that are user selectable. And of course, great build quality and (hopefully - time will tell) durability which stands for itself. Exactly what I was looking for. All that for the cheapest metal body camera on the market. The only gripe I have is that I expected better AF. Not that is bad but I don't find it that better than in MZ-3. However, this can be another story. Cao, Matjaz - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Australians
I think Germany beats us. Regards Paul, who doesn't drink beer Melbourne, Aus . - Original Message - From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Australians > I've heard that Australia has the largest per capita beer consumption on > Earth. If so, they're my kind of folks. > > Bill, KG4LOV > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Actually I admire and respect them also. I personally think Paul was a > > stinker for that but I happen to like Steve Irwin. Anybody the English > look > > down on is my type of people. Met several of them during Nam. Only problem > > was I wasn't a big drinker and they were. > > Kent Gittings > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Re: Pentax Ads
Hi Kent, I think Paul Hogan is pretty well like here in Australia, more so for his work before Crocodile Dundee, he is a bit of an australian icon. If he cops any flack now its because he makes really bad films, like that one with the Seal, or was it a Dolphin. And because he has one of the worst face lifts i've ever seen. I'm going to bite my tongue about why the Australian troops were used at Gallipoly in WWI and North Africa in WWII, so as not to get too off topic :) Cheers, Paul > Aussies are notorious for hating any of their countrymen who actually make a > living at what they like doing. Especially if that fame is outside > Australia. And their wives aren't Aussie either (Paul's first was). > Check the history and you will find that the reason the British used the > Aussie troops in WWI at Gallipoli and in WWII in North Africa mainly is that > they were so hard to control and lacked military discipline that they wanted > to use them as far from the UK and their own units as possible. > Kent Gittings > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christian Skofteland > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 11:36 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Pentax Ads > > > My wife is Australian and had no idea who Steve Irwin was until she moved to > the US. > > Funny how two Aussies that are hated in their own country (Steve and Paul > Hogan) have become icons in America... Oh, and the other thing my wife > constantly tells me is that Fosters is for export only. No Aussie in > his/her right mind would drink it! Anybody for a VB? > > Christian Skofteland > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Paul Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 12:25 AM > > > Subject: Re: Pentax Ads > > > > > > > > > > i hadn't thought of it that way, as he being ours spokesman. > > > > > > > > I wonder if he is a decent photographer. i kinda doubt he is. > > > > > > > > I hope Americans dont see him as a Spokesman for Australia! > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Dan Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 3:57 PM > > > > Subject: Re: Pentax Ads > > > > > > > > > > > > > My son (recently 5) loves to watch Irwin and I don't mind watching > > > things > > > > > bite him. I mentally retitle his show "Amazingly Dumb things to do > > with > > > > > Dangerous Animals". :-) But, hey, he's our spokesman now... (sort > of) > > > > > > > > > > Dan Scott > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > >I really disliked Steve Irwin and i think to most Australians he > is > > a > > > > bit > > > > > >of a joke. He's alot more popular in the US from what i see than > here > > > in > > > > > >Aus. Now however I think i like him more since he shoots with > Pentax > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >Paul > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > ** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > the system manager. > > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by > MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. > > www.mimesweeper.com > ** > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: My LX Story - A Guide to Self-Enablement
here's how, after waiting over 20 years, I came by my first LX... Great story, Cotty! Julie - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: How sealed is the MZ-S ?
- Original Message - From: "Bill Owens" Subject: Re: How sealed is the MZ-S ? > > If there any other Pentax model which does a better job at sealing ? > > > > Thanks > > Chris > > Yep, 3 P&S models, 90WR, 100WR and 105WR :-) Also the LX, if you want an SLR. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Australians
jmadams wrote: > Sure it was bad for PH > to have left his wife of 30 years, but there is probably more to the story > than told. > Even if it was just the lure of a pretty face and a truck load of money that lured him away, then the marriage may not have been that strong in the first place. But that is none of my business. Celebrity life must put an enormous strain on a relationship. Paul Hogans first wife Noeline became a big hit in the womens magazines following their seperation and Pauls subsequent marriage to Linda Kozlowski. Noeline was in big demand and did quite well from it all. Kind regards Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
holiday lights pix :)
I just got my pictures back, and they came out better than I dared hope. :) I'm trying to figure out which one to submit to this month's PUG. :) That Kodak Portra is good stuff. Thanks to everyone who offered advice. I think I shot most of the pics at 1/4 f 5.6 or thereabouts. And thanks for the advice on shooting at dusk. One of the best shots was taken at dusk. --Amita - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Australians
The last statistics I sa, while looking throught the viewfinder of my Pentax, of course, had the Czechs number one, followed by Aussies and Canadians. Paul Jones wrote: > I think Germany beats us. > > Regards > Paul, who doesn't drink beer > Melbourne, Aus > . > - Original Message - > From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: Australians > > > I've heard that Australia has the largest per capita beer consumption on > > Earth. If so, they're my kind of folks. > > > > Bill, KG4LOV > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Actually I admire and respect them also. I personally think Paul was a > > > stinker for that but I happen to like Steve Irwin. Anybody the English > > look > > > down on is my type of people. Met several of them during Nam. Only > problem > > > was I wasn't a big drinker and they were. > > > Kent Gittings > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers & Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Australians
Bill Owens wrote: > I've heard that Australia has the largest per capita beer consumption on > Earth. If so, they're my kind of folks. This is true some of the time, we do compete with the Germans on this. The under current of this is the large alcohol problem in australia, we also top the world in alcohol related crime and alcohol related illnesses eg liver disfunction. Last year I lost a dear friend, aged 40, who lost his battle with the bottle, he died on a Sydney street in the gutter. He new there was a better choice in life, but the bottle had him. I guess it was his choice, and lived his life as a tramp. None-the-less, he was a good friend. Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Australians
The last statistics I saw, while looking throught the viewfinder of my Pentax, of course, had the Czechs number one, followed by Aussies and Canadians. Paul Jones wrote: > I think Germany beats us. > > Regards > Paul, who doesn't drink beer > Melbourne, Aus > . > - Original Message - > From: "Bill Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: Australians > > > I've heard that Australia has the largest per capita beer consumption on > > Earth. If so, they're my kind of folks. > > > > Bill, KG4LOV > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Actually I admire and respect them also. I personally think Paul was a > > > stinker for that but I happen to like Steve Irwin. Anybody the English > > look > > > down on is my type of people. Met several of them during Nam. Only > problem > > > was I wasn't a big drinker and they were. > > > Kent Gittings > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers & Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MZ-S and a confession
Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I almost always shoot with the LX in aperture priority mode, but I use the > exposure compensation dial to adjust for the scene. That way I can take advantage > of the off the film metering and the stepless shutter. The exposure compensation > affords me as much control as manual exposure would and involves just as much > thought and decision making. I also use an MX quite often, which is of course > fully manual. While its exposures are good, they're not quite a match for those > of the LX. Hi Paul, I use my LX in the same way. I think the stepless shutter coupled with the experience gives very good results. I trust a lot the LX meter, but you have to learn his beahaviour in different situations (well, one should do the same for every meter...). Gianfranco = Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Enabling Santa
> Cotty wrote: > > > >Cory Waters > > >hoping Santa leaves me a 280T in the sock this yearbut having a little > > >trouble telling her what it IS > > I have a plan. If someone on the list needs to drop an enabling hint to a > significant other or other potential gift giver, we could have another list > member write to the potential gift giver and drop a hint. It could go > something like this: "Hi, my name is Cory Waters, and I know your husband Bill > through the Pentax Discuss list. Since everyone is looking for gift ideas at > this time of year, I thought I ought to mention that Bill would really love a > Pentax 67 II camera. Of course being the giving person he is, Bill would never > ask you himself. But he's such a great guy that I figured I should pass this > along. " Shucks, when my war department asked me what I wanted this year, I even volunteered the phone number for her to call to make sure she got it right :-) (An AF360FGZ). Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
MZ-S AF pattern - strange verticals?
Hi, Just out of curiosity, why do you think (if you find it lacking) MZ-S lacks a bottom (far-right when vertical) AF point? For me, it would make AFing portraits pretty difficult, as we (the part of PDML using Latin alphabet or writing in left>right direction) tend to read photos from left to right, so an "optimized" portrait placing is looking to the left, on right side of frame (if I can exaggerate it somehow). I am just curious if this missing AF point is beacuse of Japanese "reverse" right>left reading direction. Our reading direction has a definite impact on reading photographs, and their has probably too. Good light, (bored) Frantisek Vlcek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Re: Australians
> I am an Australian, I live in Byron Bay I knew you were an australian, i ment other list members :) Byron Bay has to be one of the top places in Aus to live. We stayed there for a while 2 years ago. Regards, Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Flames
OK... I apologize. I'm sorry I said those things about Future Shop Canada and CompUSA. ;-) Tom C. - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: Re: Flames > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Stenquist" > Subject: Re: Flames > > > > Hi Bill, > > I think we should ignore any post that is obviously intended > to provoke > > or create a confrontational situation. However, I also noticed > that, > > just this afternoon, someone else tried to provoke the person > of whom I > > believe you are speaking. I think your advice is sound, but I > think it > > should be applied to any obvious attempt to create > controversy. > > Paul > > Quite so. The thing is, he is really quite fun to provoke, just > to see what spews forth (you may have noted that I am quite fond > of this sort of fun). > > Here is my thinking though, controversy unto itself is not > necessarily a bad thing, it makes us think. What is a bad thing > (I admit culpability here too) is deliberately provoking a > person into a vitriolic response. > I read the post this afternoon that I think you are referring > to, and while it was definitely designed to provoke a response, > it was also in answer to a deliberately insulting trollsome > post. Hence, in this situation, who really was the provocateur? > I submit the original post was designed to elucidate the type of > response that it received, in this situation, speaking about the > two posts that I think we are talking about (or around). > Hence, my thoughts on a "gentleman's agreement" of sorts. > > For myself, and I bet I speak for the majority, I don't need my > daily dose of emailtainment to annoy me. > Thanks for reading... > William Robb > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
