RE: OT: Camera Auction next Saturday

[Bob W]

Thanks Mark - very kind of you to say so. I shot a lot of film of that
woman, from very tight head shots with the 85/1.4 to the one you see, with
the 21/2.8. I wanted to make sure I had the shot, and this one seems to me
to tell the story.

http://www.web-options.com/Image2.jpg

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> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> I remember the story, but for some reason I must not have 
> looked at the photo the first time it was posted. I'm glad I 
> did just now. That's a
> *great* photograph. Even without the backstory (and not 
> needing a backstory is one of my personal requirements for a 
> great photograph).
> The look of that woman is riveting and yet the rest of the 
> shot is so fascinating that you eye just gets pulled around 
> all over it and than back to the main subject. I see a lot of 
> good photos posted by PDML members, but very few that make me 
> say "damn, I wish I'd taken that one!" This is one.
>  

Re: Re: PESO PAW - Let Me Outtta Here

[mike wilson]

> 
> From: Amita Guha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/01/09 Mon AM 01:19:40 GMT
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PESO PAW - Let Me Outtta Here
> 
> > Talking of which, has anyone else noticed a fashion for 'shopping flare
> > spots _into_ movies?
> 
> My boss (a former photography student) and I were discussing this
> trend in fashion and advertising photography. Maybe the theory is that
> it makes everything look sunnier & happier?
> 

More prosaically, maybe it's just what they _expect_ to be there, not realising 
that it doesn't have to be and that millions of hours have been spent in 
research to prevent it?

m


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Re: Very long adorama order

[Gautam Sarup]

Sigh!

Gautam

On 1/8/06, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Adorama has been more than ok for me in the past. But my recent order
> was pretty tortuous.
>
> * 20 Oct - I place an order for an FA50mm macro, and an F300/4.5 from
> the used department.
>
> * The order is placed in the middle of a Jewish holiday. That's fine,
> that was well signposted on their homepage. No more progress until Oct 26.
>
> * After the holiday, Adorama shuts down to put in a new ordering system.
> Sigh. Still no progress.
>
> * Nov 2 - I receive an email saying the F300 doesn't seem to be working,
> so they take it off the order. I agree with that, except I would have
> liked the option to take it as is, get a price break, and see if I can
> get it fixed locally. Oh well. I add a Sigma EX DG 20/1.8 to make the
> order worthwhile (I don't really need the 50mm but I figured it might be
> a nice walking around lens). The speed of the Sigma intrigues me, and
> I've read good things about it.
>
> * A rep (Tobias) emails me politely that day and tells me that they have
> combined the order successfully. I wait.
>
> * Nov 14. I receive a very terse email from Jack (and I quote the
> capitals...)  "Hi, Derby, PLEASE Call US". I email back asking what is
> the problem. No reply.
>
> * Nov 16 - I much prefer emailing because of the time difference from
> Sydney, but after a few phone chases, I finally reach Jack. He tells me
> the FA50 and the Sigma were lost in transit (!). I don't understand
> because I can still see the FA50 on the website. Anyway, he says they
> can send a replacement Sigma but it is on back order. I reluctantly agree.
>
> * Nov 23 - I email back asking if there is an update. No reply
>
> * Dec 11 - Still no reply. I send another email asking for an update.
> This time I say if it isn't likely to be available by Xmas, I'd like to
> cancel my order. The FA50 is mysteriously still listed on the website.
>
> * Dec 12 - I receive another terse email from Jack.
>
> WE HAVE TRY'D CALLING YOU
> IN REFRENCE TO YOUR EMAIL
> PLEASE CALL US BACK
> THANKS MUCH
>
> Adorama should have both my home and work number. If they called at
> home, they could have left a message. If they called at work, they would
> have gotten Reception, and also leave a message. I received no messages.
>
> * Dec 12-14 - I call a few times, but only get Jack's voicemail.
>
> * Dec 14 - I finally get an email from Jack - "STILL ON BACK ORDER"
>
> * Jan 04 - Finally, an automated shipping notice saying the Sigma is on
> its way pops in my Inbox.
>
> * Jan 9 (today) - I get the lens in my hands.
>
> Now, I'm not griping about the two holidays and the stocktake downtime.
> But the responsiveness of the customer service leaves something to be
> desired.
>
> Has anyone else had this experience from Adorama recently?
>
> Derby
>
>
>
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>

Re: GESO: Belly

[Derby Chang]

Holly Hegeman wrote:


On 1/8/06 5:41 PM, "Keith McGuinness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


Agree with a couple of other poster, #4 is excellent.

Keith
   



Me too. 


Holly


 



Thanks to everyone who commented. Working with dogs and children is fun.

D

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Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

Adobe released beta version of Lightroom - application dedicated for digital
photography workflow. Contrary to similar Apple's Application - Aperture -
it will accept much more varieties of RAW files including Pentax PEFs (just
like Camera Raw does), has much lower (reasonable) system requirements and
will work (soon) on Windows platform. Mac OSX version is free for download
here:
http://labs.macromedia.com/technologies/lightroom/
Michael Reichmann has already done preview of it:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/lightroom1.shtml

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Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: PESO PAW - Let Me Outtta Here

[Gautam Sarup]

What a PAW!

Cheers,
Gautam

On 1/5/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frank's pic of a cat trying to get inside reminded me of this shot of Blue
> 
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~shel-pix/letmeout.html
>
>
> Shel
>
>
>
>

Re: Very long adorama order

[cbwaters]

"Tried calling you" means picked-up the phone, looked at the number, figured 
out it's not a New York extension...oh wait, that's not even in this 
country...hangs up the phone..."well, I tried."


CW

- Original Message - 
From: "Derby Chang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Pentax Discuss" 
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 2:29 AM
Subject: Very long adorama order




Adorama has been more than ok for me in the past. But my recent order was 
pretty tortuous.


* 20 Oct - I place an order for an FA50mm macro, and an F300/4.5 from the 
used department.


* The order is placed in the middle of a Jewish holiday. That's fine, that 
was well signposted on their homepage. No more progress until Oct 26.


* After the holiday, Adorama shuts down to put in a new ordering system. 
Sigh. Still no progress.


* Nov 2 - I receive an email saying the F300 doesn't seem to be working, 
so they take it off the order. I agree with that, except I would have 
liked the option to take it as is, get a price break, and see if I can get 
it fixed locally. Oh well. I add a Sigma EX DG 20/1.8 to make the order 
worthwhile (I don't really need the 50mm but I figured it might be a nice 
walking around lens). The speed of the Sigma intrigues me, and I've read 
good things about it.


* A rep (Tobias) emails me politely that day and tells me that they have 
combined the order successfully. I wait.


* Nov 14. I receive a very terse email from Jack (and I quote the 
capitals...)  "Hi, Derby, PLEASE Call US". I email back asking what is the 
problem. No reply.


* Nov 16 - I much prefer emailing because of the time difference from 
Sydney, but after a few phone chases, I finally reach Jack. He tells me 
the FA50 and the Sigma were lost in transit (!). I don't understand 
because I can still see the FA50 on the website. Anyway, he says they can 
send a replacement Sigma but it is on back order. I reluctantly agree.


* Nov 23 - I email back asking if there is an update. No reply

* Dec 11 - Still no reply. I send another email asking for an update. This 
time I say if it isn't likely to be available by Xmas, I'd like to cancel 
my order. The FA50 is mysteriously still listed on the website.


* Dec 12 - I receive another terse email from Jack.

WE HAVE TRY'D CALLING YOU IN REFRENCE TO YOUR EMAIL PLEASE CALL US BACK 
THANKS MUCH
Adorama should have both my home and work number. If they called at home, 
they could have left a message. If they called at work, they would have 
gotten Reception, and also leave a message. I received no messages.


* Dec 12-14 - I call a few times, but only get Jack's voicemail.

* Dec 14 - I finally get an email from Jack - "STILL ON BACK ORDER"

* Jan 04 - Finally, an automated shipping notice saying the Sigma is on 
its way pops in my Inbox.


* Jan 9 (today) - I get the lens in my hands.

Now, I'm not griping about the two holidays and the stocktake downtime. 
But the responsiveness of the customer service leaves something to be 
desired.


Has anyone else had this experience from Adorama recently?

Derby



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Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[Bob Shell]

I've been working with it a while.  It is really great as a browser  
for all kinds of file formats.  What l like most about this first  
module is the monochrome conversions, which are fast and work better  
than most others I have tried.  If you're on Mac, download it and  
give it a try.


Bob

On Jan 9, 2006, at 5:15 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:

Adobe released beta version of Lightroom - application dedicated  
for digital
photography workflow. Contrary to similar Apple's Application -  
Aperture -
it will accept much more varieties of RAW files including Pentax  
PEFs (just
like Camera Raw does), has much lower (reasonable) system  
requirements and
will work (soon) on Windows platform. Mac OSX version is free for  
download

here:
http://labs.macromedia.com/technologies/lightroom/
Michael Reichmann has already done preview of it:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/lightroom1.shtml

Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[Adam Maas]

Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:


Adobe released beta version of Lightroom - application dedicated for digital
photography workflow. Contrary to similar Apple's Application - Aperture -
it will accept much more varieties of RAW files including Pentax PEFs (just
like Camera Raw does), has much lower (reasonable) system requirements and
will work (soon) on Windows platform. Mac OSX version is free for download
here:
http://labs.macromedia.com/technologies/lightroom/
Michael Reichmann has already done preview of it:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/lightroom1.shtml

 



It's currently importing 760 PEF's as I write this. Looks to have 2 
major advantages over Aperture, it reads PEF's and it runs on older macs.


-Adam

Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Davis"

Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded



And the beat goes on.


I replied to a post you had made on the subject. Nothing more. No need to be 
an asshole about it, though you never did answer my question.


William Robb 

Re: PESO -- Not Monarch II

[frank theriault]

On 1/7/06, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This started out to be a photo of a flower, but an uninvited guest
> stopped by for a snack...
>
> http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_!monarch2.html
>
> Tech Info:
> Pentax *ist-D ISO 200 @ 1/250sec
> vmc Vivitar Series 1 35-85mm F2.8 Varifocal @ f5.6
>
> The Focus on the insect could have been better but I was really trying
> to shoot the flower after all...
> I have to admit it would have been a poor enough photo of a flower.
>

I like it a lot.  The butterfly (other than the left wing) looks
pretty well focused to me (but then my standards WRT such things are
pretty low ).

cheers,
frank

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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[frank theriault]

On 1/7/06, Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I recently walked into a large Sydney camera store and ventured to the
> "pro section" to purchase some Fuji Provia. I was astounded that the
> person serving me was an ex-photog who is currently in the midst of
> a child porn investigation. He worked with his uncle who has been charged
> and a trial is due.
>
> My question is, should I make the store owner aware of who is working for him?
> Am I being vigilant or is it sheer bloody mindedness on my part?
> Is this really none of my business?
> I must admit this sort of thing boils my blood quickly.
>

Well, I see that at the time of this post, there have been 50 replies,
none of which I've read, so I've no idea what the prevailing thoughts
are, nor where this thread has veered off to, but here are my thoughts
anyway:

Say nothing.  For one thing, it's none of your business.  For another,
it sounds like you have little or no idea what this person's
involvement was.  You say that his uncle has been charged, but it
sounds like the salesman hasn't.  Maybe he wasn't involved?  Who
knows?  Believe me, if the cops thought that his involvement was
illegal, he'd have been charged by now (being that a trial date's been
set).

Another thing to consider is that in Australia, one is "innocent until
proven guilty".  So, until he's been charged ~and~ convicted, one
ought not make presumptions, at least not presumptions that might
affect his livelihood.  Any criminal matter that involves sex,
especially "kiddy porn", tends to rile the pubic so much that mere
inuendo is enough to ruin careers and lives.  IMHO, it's even more
important in such cases that the individual's rights to a fair trial
and rights to a normal life after being found innocent are
safeguarded.

The other thing that you may consider, is that his employer may be
well aware of the matter, and the salesperson's involvement in same,
and has chosen to keep him on staff pending the result of
investigations/trials (as well he should).

Finally, if you do mention something, and he loses his job, what of
it?  Who will you protect?  Do you suppose that he's doing evil things
to kids at work?  If anything, being unemployed will give him lots
more free time to do his dirty deeds (supposing for a moment that he's
involved - which we obviously don't know that he is at this point).

So, for all of the above reasons, plus several more that I can think
of, I'd say, "Say nothing at this point."  If it turns out that he's
charged and found guilty, then it may be that saying something
(assuming that he's still working there) may be something to consider.

cheers,
frank




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Re: This one should sell well

[Jostein]

I noticed the redirect through the adfarm too, but security let me through. To
my untrained eye, it looked like tinyURL was doing the redirect...

Jostein


Quoting mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> John Forbes wrote:
> 
> > I apologise for breaking the rules regarding Ebay auctions, but it seems 
> > a  shame to deprive members of the opportunity of getting a tremendous  
> > bargain on a very desirable piece of equipment.
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/8j74d
> > 
> > Don't be fooled by the paucity of bids so far.  There are no doubt many  
> > people biding their time, ready to snipe.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> "The connection was refused when trying to connect "adfarm.mediaplex.com""
> 
> 





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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[David Savage]

Frank that is a way too sensible argument...

...are you feeling all right?

:-)

Dave

PS: I withdraw my initial knee-jerk reaction

On 1/9/06, frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> So, for all of the above reasons, plus several more that I can think
> of, I'd say, "Say nothing at this point."  If it turns out that he's
> charged and found guilty, then it may be that saying something
> (assuming that he's still working there) may be something to consider.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
>
>
>
> --
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
>
>

Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[Sylwester Pietrzyk]

Adam Maas wrote on 09.01.06 13:39:

> It's currently importing 760 PEF's as I write this. Looks to have 2
> major advantages over Aperture, it reads PEF's and it runs on older macs.
Aperture has quite strange hardware requirements. On the one side it
requires G5/1.8 GHz on the other less powerful than G5/1.6 GHz Powerbook
G4/1.25 Ghz is listed as enough... Nonsense.

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Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[frank theriault]

On 1/8/06, Tom C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And if you've ever been accused yourself, falsely or otherwise, one quickly
> learns that "innocent until proven guilty" is pretty much a televison and
> elementary school sham.  The majority of the power rests in the established
> authority (the government, police, and other "arms of the law"). If that
> wasn't so, the accused wouldn't have to PROVE their innocence. 

In it's most technical form, the term "innocent until proven guilty"
merely means that the burden of proof is on the state to prove (beyond
a reasonable doubt in the case of criminal matters) that an accused is
guilty.  It means that the state must have sufficient evidence that,
if believed, makes out the offence charged.  It means that if the
state does not have that evidence, the accused need not present any
evidence, and can say, "you have not made out your case", and if the
trier of fact (ie:  judge and jury) agree, he will be found not guilty
(note:  "not guilty" is not the same as innocent.  "not guilty" means
the state has not proven the case in court, it does not mean "he
didn't do it").

Now, you're right, Tom, insofar as some offences are so heinous,
disgusting and revolting that the mere accusation is so damning, that
a jury will often convict unless they hear from the accused, who often
must provide a pretty damned good defence.  But that's not the way it
should be, and a judge has an obligation to point that out to a jury
in his charge to the jury after the trial, before deliberation.

All of this is in contrast with the so-called "Continental system of
law", wherein the accused must prove his innocence to the judge.

cheers,
frank
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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[frank theriault]

On 1/8/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In this case, Paul, the shop owner is in jeopardy and deserves to be
> alerted.

No he isn't in jeopardy.  The cops obviously know where this guy
works.  They're not stupid.  If a trial date has been set, that means
that the investigation is pretty much over.  They would have already
considered that this guy works at a photo shop, and may be using
facilities there for his nefarious deeds.  The cops would have already
contacted the shop and/or confiscated equipment in this case.

cheers,
frank

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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Bob Shell]

On Jan 8, 2006, at 7:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote:


Here, here!!

Jack



There, there!!

Bob

Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[frank theriault]

On 1/8/06, Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Not really so confused. Some of the images these people were taking were of
> my own children in various dance costumes along with hundreds of other 
> children
> at various childrens dance events. These images were supplied to child porn 
> sites
> on the net along with other more.. sick images.
>

I understand your concern, being personally involved as you are.  I
understand that you may have feelings of great anger towards this
employee, who seems to have been involved in this sick scheme.

However, it appears that the police haven't seen fit to charge this
fellow.  Disgusted as you may be WRT his involvement with this, I
still think that your only reasonable course of action at this point
may be to simply not patronize this store.  Perhaps taking some steps
with your children's school of dance (like asking them to ban people
from taking photos of lessons or performances, or at least not taking
photos without authorization) may help protect your children.  I'm not
one to censor photographers in public places, but dance classes take
place on private property, so the proprietors have every right to
restrict such activity.

That way you can protect your children from such exploitation, anyway.

cheers,
frank


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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Jack Davis]

Shel,

That was an unfair, ill-considered reaction on my part.
Apologies.

Jack
 

 


--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jack,
> 
> Why would you assume that?  I'd not posted to the thread before, and
> my
> views were not made public.  IAC, you're forgiven ;-))
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jack Davis 
> 
> > Forgive me, but I had already assumed that.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> > --- Shel Belinkoff  wrote:
> >
> > > Let me just register my non-support.  
> > > I'm fully in accord with Bob
> > > Walkden's statements and others that 
> > > take the same position.
> 
> 
> 




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Re: PESO: Moon and Mars

[frank theriault]

On 1/8/06, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nice pic of the moon; I'll have to take your word for
> it that Mars is there.

I see a white dot.  Don't you?

I think it's a pretty cool shot.  Just getting the two in the same
frame works for me.  

cheers,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[Bob Shell]

On Jan 9, 2006, at 7:39 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

It's currently importing 760 PEF's as I write this. Looks to have 2  
major advantages over Aperture, it reads PEF's and it runs on older  
macs.



You'll love it.

My only complaint is that Adobe is too damned conservative in their  
public product names.  "Lightroom" is an OK name, but the code name  
prior to release was "Shadowland", a MUCH cooler name!  I was hoping  
they'd keep that name.


It's partially an answer to Apple's Aperture, and I love it that  
Adobe is giving it away for free while Apple is trying to charge an  
absurdly high price for Aperture.  And yes, it runs on older Macs.   
Apple would give me a NFR copy of Aperture, but it won't run on my  
two year old G4 iMac.


Bob

Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Jack Davis]

David,

True, butI wouldn't think the owner would take any dismissal action
until the employee was asked (in depth) about the investigation.
Encountering an attitude or non-responsive, dismissing answers might
give the owner something for the file..or not.

Jack



--- David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Jan 9, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Bob W wrote:
> 
> > The only reason you could have for telling the store owner, is for 
> 
> > the store
> > owner to be able to fire the employee. It follows from this that if
>  
> > do tell
> > the owner, and he does indeed fire the employee, then you are  
> > responsible
> > for the employee losing his job.
> 
> I'm also wondering what would happen if the shop owner did fire the  
> employee.  Depending on local law it might not be possible to get rid
>  
> of someone for any old reason, and he may find himself on the  
> receiving end of a wrongful dismissal suit.
> 
> - Dave
> 
> 




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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Jack Davis]

All may be true.

Jack

--- frank theriault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 1/8/06, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In this case, Paul, the shop owner is in jeopardy and deserves to
> be
> > alerted.
> 
> No he isn't in jeopardy.  The cops obviously know where this guy
> works.  They're not stupid.  If a trial date has been set, that means
> that the investigation is pretty much over.  They would have already
> considered that this guy works at a photo shop, and may be using
> facilities there for his nefarious deeds.  The cops would have
> already
> contacted the shop and/or confiscated equipment in this case.
> 
> cheers,
> frank
> 
> --
> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson
> 
> 




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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Jack Davis]

Bob,

"Here, here" means I agree.
Is "there, there" to console? I'm way too insecure to not ask.

Jack



--- Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Jan 8, 2006, at 7:25 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
> 
> > Here, here!!
> >
> > Jack
> 
> 
> There, there!!
> 
> Bob
> 
> 




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Re: I'm back

[frank theriault]

On 1/8/06, Butch Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Guys
>
> I'm back. Hopefully I won't get kicked off again and that weird phenomenon
> of getting digests 2-3 days late will stop.
>
> I hope everybody had a good holiday season, whatever you call it and however
> you choose to celebrate it.


Hey, Butch.

Nice to see ya back.

-frank

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Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Bob Shell
Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:06:38 -0800

>You'll love it.
>
>My only complaint is that Adobe is too damned conservative in their public
product 
>names. "Lightroom" is an OK name, but the code name prior to release was
"Shadowland", 
>a MUCH cooler name! I was hoping they'd keep that name. 

Maybe someone there likes C. S. Lewis.
"Shadowlands" was a great film.
Certainly one of Anthony Hopkin's better roles.

Collin


mail2web - Check your email from the web at
http://mail2web.com/ .

Re: Peso(s) How a nice day went wrong.

[frank theriault]

On 1/7/06, E.R.N. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perry Pellechia wrote:
>
> >Cesar,
> >Sounds like the squirrels down in Florida are more cooperative then
> >the rebel squirrels from South Carolina .
> >
> Probably older, moving more slowly ...

LMAO!!

-frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: GESO: Darwin dawns

[frank theriault]

On 1/8/06, Keith McGuinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> A GESO (my last for quite some time, I expect) to illustrate why
> I enjoy this beach in the early morning:
>
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/keith.mcguinness/ph/sevendawns/index.html
>
> For fun, and a challenge, I did consecutive days.
>
> After the first day, I started shooting RAW (for colour balance).
>
> Some cropping and curve adjustment; otherwise I've just nudged
> the colour balance to try to make the images more true-to-life
> (as I saw the scene at the time).
>
> All comments welcome.
>
> Keith

All quite lovely!

cheers,
frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[Adam Maas]

Bob Shell wrote:




You'll love it.

My only complaint is that Adobe is too damned conservative in their  
public product names.  "Lightroom" is an OK name, but the code name  
prior to release was "Shadowland", a MUCH cooler name!  I was hoping  
they'd keep that name.


It's partially an answer to Apple's Aperture, and I love it that  Adobe 
is giving it away for free while Apple is trying to charge an  absurdly 
high price for Aperture.  And yes, it runs on older Macs.   Apple would 
give me a NFR copy of Aperture, but it won't run on my  two year old G4 
iMac.


Bob


From what I see, it's more than an answer to Aperture, since Adobe 
didn't make some of the major mistakes Apple did (Building RAW support 
in at the OS level is nifty, but not very flexible, and Apple made some 
stupid mistakes, like supporting the Rebel XT but not the 350D, despite 
their RAW's being identical apart from 1 tag. Or the lack of real DNG 
support, or the stupid monolithic database structure a la iPhoto[ 
ironically, that's one of the two reasons I don't even contemplate using 
iPhoto).


But yeah, the name kinda sucks, the interface isn't as pretty, and it's 
not feature complete. But it does run on my 1 year old eMac (And 
hopefully soon on my much faster PC with the 21" monitor).


-Adam

Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Bob Shell]

On Jan 9, 2006, at 9:19 AM, Jack Davis wrote:


Bob,

"Here, here" means I agree.
Is "there, there" to console? I'm way too insecure to not ask.

Jack



From "The Straight Dope":

The correct term is, "hear, hear!" It is an abbreviation for "hear,  
all ye good people, hear what this brilliant and eloquent speaker  
has to say!"



Of course, if the speaker is actually asking a question, such as  
"and just where do you think we should open the new strip club?"  
it's not hard to imagine that at least one yahoo in attendance  
might yell, "here, here!" But this would be the exception that  
proves the rule.




Just the editor in me.

Bob

Re: don, you bugger

[frank theriault]

On 1/7/06, Collin R Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Pentex-35-mm-ZX-L-Parts-Camera_W0QQitemZ7577504813QQcategoryZ15240QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>

He bought a broken camera and broken lens for $36 plus shipping.  That
doesn't quite put him into the bugger category in my books .

cheers,
frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[David Savage]

On 1/9/06, Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You'll love it.

I look forward to the Windows release. From what I've read it sounds
like a cool app. And I agree, Shadowland sound much better. Mybe with
Lightroom their trying to preserve the highlights :-)

> My only complaint is that Adobe is too damned conservative in their
> public product names.  "Lightroom" is an OK name, but the code name
> prior to release was "Shadowland", a MUCH cooler name!  I was hoping
> they'd keep that name.
>
> It's partially an answer to Apple's Aperture, and I love it that
> Adobe is giving it away for free while Apple is trying to charge an
> absurdly high price for Aperture.  And yes, it runs on older Macs.
> Apple would give me a NFR copy of Aperture, but it won't run on my
> two year old G4 iMac.

Well, technically it's only free until they release the full version.
At the moment everyone who uses it is an unpaid beta tester :-)

Dave

> Bob
>
>

Re: PAW - "Gazania"

[frank theriault]

On 1/7/06, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I got bored of scanning old stuff so here's a recent pic.  It ain't a
> kitten but it is a flower... see what the list turns to when Mike J
> turns his back?
>
> We have some gazanias in our front garden and the colours are
> absolutely incredible.  Most are striped like this one, and they all
> have different colour schemes.  This particular specimen isn't my
> favourite colour-wise but I preferred the centred composition of this
> frame.  My other pics from the session were mostly off-centre,
> details of petals, etc.
>
> I've cropped a little off the left to reduce the bright distraction
> and also to centre it a bit better.
>
> http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/printsdb/view.php?p=187&t=1
>
> It's from my first trial roll of Astia 100F.  I've since taken some
> more photos of these flowers but I spread the shooting across two
> bodies: one loaded with more Astia 100F and another containing Provia
> 100F so I can compare the two films with the same subject matter and
> exposure.  I haven't finished these films yet :)

Gorgeous!!

-frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: My modern daughter - proof that film is dead!

[frank theriault]

On 1/6/06, Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My 3 year old daughter, Alex, loves taking pictures.  I "gave" her the
> Optio S (on topic!) to mess around with.  She figured out the on-off
> button and shutter release and is now working on composition.  Her
> favorite subjects of course are those things she holds dear: her
> blankies, her "stuff" and her parents.  For example:
> http://ww2.xian.us:8080/IMGP0560a.jpg
> http://ww2.xian.us:8080/IMGP0543a.jpg
>
> Why is her photography proof that film is dead?  Well it only took her
> about 10 seconds to figure out the instant review and playback button.
> She chimps with the best of them!
>
> But the real proof is when she is playing with a toy camera or an old
> film camera (sans film) and instead of peering through the viewfinder,
> she holds it at arm's reach and pretends to look at the non-existent
> LCD!  :-)
>

Geez, she's even got the concept of blur and tilt down pat!



-frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[Mark Roberts]

Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>On Jan 9, 2006, at 7:39 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

>My only complaint is that Adobe is too damned conservative in their  
>public product names.  "Lightroom" is an OK name, but the code name  
>prior to release was "Shadowland", a MUCH cooler name!  I was hoping  
>they'd keep that name.

I bet they wanted to call it "Light Box" but discovered that name is
taken already.
 
 
-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com

Re: Very long adorama order

[Perry Pellechia]

Derby,
While my experience was not as long and drawn out as yours, I had an
order that took longer than it should have and I had to call to find
out what was going on.  About a year ago I ordered a used lens and got
the same excuse that it was not working correctly after waiting for it
for over a week.  In your case I believe that what really happened is
that they sold the F300/4.5 to someone else.   Perhaps it was a
walk-in sale or a phone order came in first.  Either way they did not
have it any longer.  It does not make any sense that the lens was not
in working condition.  I am sure they tested it pretty well before
they bought it from another individual.

I am also guessing that the FA50 macro was sold to someone else before
they could ship the second order.  So they used excuse number 2 (lost
in shipment).   I think that as long as the item is on the shelf,
first with cash will get it.  So walk in sales will get the item if it
had not been pack and shipped.  This is only my gut feeling about
Adorama. I have no proof of this.


Perry.


On 1/9/06, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Adorama has been more than ok for me in the past. But my recent order
> was pretty tortuous.
>
> * 20 Oct - I place an order for an FA50mm macro, and an F300/4.5 from
> the used department.
>
> * The order is placed in the middle of a Jewish holiday. That's fine,
> that was well signposted on their homepage. No more progress until Oct 26.
>
> * After the holiday, Adorama shuts down to put in a new ordering system.
> Sigh. Still no progress.
>
> * Nov 2 - I receive an email saying the F300 doesn't seem to be working,
> so they take it off the order. I agree with that, except I would have
> liked the option to take it as is, get a price break, and see if I can
> get it fixed locally. Oh well. I add a Sigma EX DG 20/1.8 to make the
> order worthwhile (I don't really need the 50mm but I figured it might be
> a nice walking around lens). The speed of the Sigma intrigues me, and
> I've read good things about it.
>
> * A rep (Tobias) emails me politely that day and tells me that they have
> combined the order successfully. I wait.
>
> * Nov 14. I receive a very terse email from Jack (and I quote the
> capitals...)  "Hi, Derby, PLEASE Call US". I email back asking what is
> the problem. No reply.
>
> * Nov 16 - I much prefer emailing because of the time difference from
> Sydney, but after a few phone chases, I finally reach Jack. He tells me
> the FA50 and the Sigma were lost in transit (!). I don't understand
> because I can still see the FA50 on the website. Anyway, he says they
> can send a replacement Sigma but it is on back order. I reluctantly agree.
>
> * Nov 23 - I email back asking if there is an update. No reply
>
> * Dec 11 - Still no reply. I send another email asking for an update.
> This time I say if it isn't likely to be available by Xmas, I'd like to
> cancel my order. The FA50 is mysteriously still listed on the website.
>
> * Dec 12 - I receive another terse email from Jack.
>
> WE HAVE TRY'D CALLING YOU
> IN REFRENCE TO YOUR EMAIL
> PLEASE CALL US BACK
> THANKS MUCH
>
> Adorama should have both my home and work number. If they called at
> home, they could have left a message. If they called at work, they would
> have gotten Reception, and also leave a message. I received no messages.
>
> * Dec 12-14 - I call a few times, but only get Jack's voicemail.
>
> * Dec 14 - I finally get an email from Jack - "STILL ON BACK ORDER"
>
> * Jan 04 - Finally, an automated shipping notice saying the Sigma is on
> its way pops in my Inbox.
>
> * Jan 9 (today) - I get the lens in my hands.
>
> Now, I'm not griping about the two holidays and the stocktake downtime.
> But the responsiveness of the customer service leaves something to be
> desired.
>
> Has anyone else had this experience from Adorama recently?
>
> Derby
>
>
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc
>
>


--

<>
Perry Pellechia

Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry
<>

Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

S:
Thanks for posting the link. This looks very interesting, just  
finished downloading it.


Regards the product name:
"Lightroom" is a perfect allusion to the photographic darkroom.  
"Shadowland" is cool but means nothing photographically. Can't say  
I'm happier one way or the other ... what do I care what the  
application is named as long as it does what I want ... but I  
understand Adobe's choice.


Regards bashing and comparing Aperture to Lightroom:
I'm not interested in bashing Aperture or Apple, or participating in  
another stupid round of idiotic computer geeky religious wars.


I cannot run Aperture on any of the systems that I own. I don't like  
the fact that it is fundamentally unusable to me because it cannot  
process RAW files from either of the cameras I'm using the most these  
days (Pentax DS and Panasonic LX1). These and several other issues  
involved in a first version release have pretty much eliminated any  
serious interest in it on my part at this time.


But the single thing that convinces me from the start I am more  
interested in Lightroom is encapsulated in this section from Michael  
Reichman's comments:


"Aperture is designed around a unitary database. In other words, it  
only knows about and can process and index files that lie within it.  
This has some theoretical advantages, but also a great many  
limitations from the user's point of view. For example, an Aperture  
database can only be as large as one hard drive. Files located on  
other drives can not be part of an Aperture library. True, one can  
have multiple libraries, but then one can not sort, catalog, transfer  
and otherwise work with files between libraries."


This is a design that I find clumsy. I want to be able to work with  
my photographs stored were I want them to be, in a system that is  
logical/efficient to me, not necessarily to a piece of software. If  
that desire means slightly less than theoretical optimum efficiency  
to the application, well, so be it. ;-)


Godfrey


On Jan 9, 2006, at 2:15 AM, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote:

Adobe released beta version of Lightroom - application dedicated  
for digital
photography workflow. Contrary to similar Apple's Application -  
Aperture -
it will accept much more varieties of RAW files including Pentax  
PEFs (just
like Camera Raw does), has much lower (reasonable) system  
requirements and
will work (soon) on Windows platform. Mac OSX version is free for  
download

here:
http://labs.macromedia.com/technologies/lightroom/
Michael Reichmann has already done preview of it:
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/software/lightroom1.shtml

--
Balance is the ultimate good...

Best Regards
Sylwek

Re: Camera shops and Monday's heat

[Krisjanis Linkevics]

> Anyway, I am still determined to get a UV pass filter! 

The way things are going there you should consider looking into some IR 
cutoff filters instead 

Krisjanis

Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Shel Belinkoff]

Don't be so sure about that, Jack.  I've personally known two situations
where someone was fired based only on an anonymous phone call, and I know
that the employee was not asked a single question or given an opportunity
to explain her side of the story.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Jack Davis 

> True, butI wouldn't think the owner would take any dismissal action
> until the employee was asked (in depth) about the investigation.
> Encountering an attitude or non-responsive, dismissing answers might
> give the owner something for the file..or not.

Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Shel Belinkoff]

Fair enough, although I didn't consider it unfair or ill-considered,
although it may have been.  I was just wondering why/how you came to that
conclusion.  No apology needed, but graciously accepted.

Shel (still curious)



> [Original Message]
> From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 1/9/2006 6:05:44 AM
> Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
>
> Shel,
>
> That was an unfair, ill-considered reaction on my part.
> Apologies.
>
> Jack
>  
>
>  
>
>
> --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jack,
> > 
> > Why would you assume that?  I'd not posted to the thread before, and
> > my views were not made public.  IAC, you're forgiven ;-))
> > 
> > Shel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Jack Davis 
> > 
> > > Forgive me, but I had already assumed that.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > > --- Shel Belinkoff  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Let me just register my non-support.  
> > > > I'm fully in accord with Bob
> > > > Walkden's statements and others that 
> > > > take the same position.
> > 
> > 
> > 
>
>
>
>   
> __ 
> Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. 
> Just $16.99/mo. or less. 
> dsl.yahoo.com 

Re: OT Kodak unveils new logo

[frank theriault]

On 1/6/06, Perry Pellechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I suppose this reflect the current state of the company.
>
> http://rochesterdandc.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060106/NEWS01/60106001
>
>

"The new mark, based on a customized typeface, is designed to give the
company a contemporary look but be flexible enough to apply in new
ways and new venues across Kodak's varied businesses --everything from
tiny handheld digital cameras to computer software to the letters on
Kodak buildings around the world."

Huh?  Are they looking at the same "new corporate logo" that I am? 
Does it say something that the old one doesn't?

I don't know much about the marketing and advertising biz, so I'm
obviously ignorant, and don't know much about these things...

cheers,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Sigma 100-300 test shot:Was: shopping today

[frank theriault]

On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:57:03 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is a link to a shot from the 
> istD and using the 100-300 you bought.
>
> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/sigma100-300.jpg

I know it's just "a test", but that's really a heck of a nice pic,
Dave.  You guys have a bit more snow up north of the city than we
do...

cheers,
frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT Kodak unveils new logo

[Shel Belinkoff]

My reaction was the same ...

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: frank theriault 

>
http://rochesterdandc.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060106/NEWS01/6010600
1

> "The new mark, based on a customized typeface, is designed to give the
> company a contemporary look but be flexible enough to apply in new
> ways and new venues across Kodak's varied businesses --everything from
> tiny handheld digital cameras to computer software to the letters on
> Kodak buildings around the world."
>
> Huh?  Are they looking at the same "new corporate logo" that I am? 
> Does it say something that the old one doesn't?
>
> I don't know much about the marketing and advertising biz, so I'm
> obviously ignorant, and don't know much about these things...

Re: OT Kodak unveils new logo

[frank theriault]

On 1/9/06, Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My reaction was the same ...

Now I'm scared.



-frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO - Great Sand Dunes - anothe view w/Pano

[frank theriault]

On 1/4/06, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Check out
>
> http://mypeoplepc.com/members/kwaller/offwallphoto/id2.html
>
> I've added a partial Pano to give a better idea of the area.
> Also the main image has photographers in it to give an idea of scale.
> Oh yeah, I asked them to smile for this photo  ;}
>
> All comments solicited
>
> Yeah, nay, and/or otherwise
>
> What would you do differently?
>
> Thanks in advance

Awesome shot, Ken.  I had no idea these things were so big.  The
people really let you see the incredible scale of the dunes.

cheers,
frank


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT Kodak unveils new logo

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, frank theriault wrote:


On 1/6/06, Perry Pellechia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I suppose this reflect the current state of the company.

http://rochesterdandc.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060106/NEWS01/60106001




"The new mark, based on a customized typeface, is designed to give the
company a contemporary look but be flexible enough to apply in new
ways and new venues across Kodak's varied businesses --everything from
tiny handheld digital cameras to computer software to the letters on
Kodak buildings around the world."

Huh?  Are they looking at the same "new corporate logo" that I am?
Does it say something that the old one doesn't?


I would infer from the market-speak above that the square logo was 
harder to accommodate on the products than the rectangular one.


Kostas

Re: Sigma 100-300 test shot:Was: shopping today

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Dave ... next years Christmas card ... nice shot.

Shel



> Here is a link to a shot from the istD and using the 100-300 you bought.

> http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/sigma100-300.jpg

Re: OT Kodak unveils new logo

[Lewis Matthew]

My reaction was somewhat different. I read the paragraph you quoted and 
thought "B**t". :-)
I sent the quote to my son (a Toyota USA Market Planning Administrator), and 
he answered "B**t". :-)


Lewis


My reaction was the same ...

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: frank theriault

>
http://rochesterdandc.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060106/NEWS01/6010600
1

> "The new mark, based on a customized typeface, is designed to give the
> company a contemporary look but be flexible enough to apply in new
> ways and new venues across Kodak's varied businesses --everything from
> tiny handheld digital cameras to computer software to the letters on
> Kodak buildings around the world."
>
> Huh?  Are they looking at the same "new corporate logo" that I am?
> Does it say something that the old one doesn't?
>
> I don't know much about the marketing and advertising biz, so I'm
> obviously ignorant, and don't know much about these things...




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Re: PESO: Moon and Mars

[P. J. Alling]

I tried to make a similar exposure last night. Mars was clearly visible 
as the only "star" bright enough
to show through the light haze, which caused there to be a slight halo 
around the Moon.  Three exposures
starting with "Moonie 11", with three reasonable exposures of the Moon, 
no Mars. 


frank theriault wrote:


On 1/8/06, Rick Womer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


Nice pic of the moon; I'll have to take your word for
it that Mars is there.
   



I see a white dot.  Don't you?

I think it's a pretty cool shot.  Just getting the two in the same
frame works for me.  

cheers,
frank
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson


 




--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[E.R.N. Reed]

Mark Roberts wrote:


Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


On Jan 9, 2006, at 7:39 AM, Adam Maas wrote:
   



 

My only complaint is that Adobe is too damned conservative in their  
public product names.  "Lightroom" is an OK name, but the code name  
prior to release was "Shadowland", a MUCH cooler name!  I was hoping  
they'd keep that name.
   



I bet they wanted to call it "Light Box" but discovered that name is
taken already.


 

So was "Shadowlands," admittedly by a movie, but perhaps that was still 
the reason.

Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[P. J. Alling]

Then again Lightroom is the kind of the opposite of Darkroom, which is 
at least kind of clever.


Bob Shell wrote:



On Jan 9, 2006, at 7:39 AM, Adam Maas wrote:

It's currently importing 760 PEF's as I write this. Looks to have 2  
major advantages over Aperture, it reads PEF's and it runs on older  
macs.




You'll love it.

My only complaint is that Adobe is too damned conservative in their  
public product names.  "Lightroom" is an OK name, but the code name  
prior to release was "Shadowland", a MUCH cooler name!  I was hoping  
they'd keep that name.


It's partially an answer to Apple's Aperture, and I love it that  
Adobe is giving it away for free while Apple is trying to charge an  
absurdly high price for Aperture.  And yes, it runs on older Macs.   
Apple would give me a NFR copy of Aperture, but it won't run on my  
two year old G4 iMac.


Bob





--
When you're worried or in doubt, 
	Run in circles, (scream and shout).

Re: OT Kodak unveils new logo

[frank theriault]

On 1/9/06, Lewis Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My reaction was somewhat different. I read the paragraph you quoted and
> thought "B**t". :-)
> I sent the quote to my son (a Toyota USA Market Planning Administrator), and
> he answered "B**t". :-)
>

I was being sarcastic.

Of course it's bullshit.

cheers,
frank

--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[Paul Sorenson]

Or maybe to suggest moving print making out of the *darkroom*??

-P

Mark Roberts wrote:

Bob Shell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Jan 9, 2006, at 7:39 AM, Adam Maas wrote:



My only complaint is that Adobe is too damned conservative in their  
public product names.  "Lightroom" is an OK name, but the code name  
prior to release was "Shadowland", a MUCH cooler name!  I was hoping  
they'd keep that name.



I bet they wanted to call it "Light Box" but discovered that name is
taken already.
 
 

Re: GESO: Belly

[frank theriault]

On 1/8/06, Derby Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My sister is having a baby.
>
> http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/index6/06_01_belly/index.htm
>

A wonderful series!

-frank

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Re: Pentax lens test on DIGITAL? All Pentax DSLR same imagaing?

[Gonz]

Wow.  Sounds like you are thinking about making the leap?

rg


J. C. O'Connell wrote:

Anybody know of a website(page) yet that
tests the performance of ALL Pentax Lenses on
Pentax DSLRS ( K and or M42). Since most
of these lenses were designed for film
rather than digital it would be very nice
to have some specific data on the APS digital 
performance of them, comparisons, etc.


Secondly, are all three (four) of the Pentax
DSLR bodies so far identical in imaging
quality ( same sensors and processing, etc.)
???

thanks in advance,
jco



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Re: Very long adorama order

[Joseph Tainter]

"Has anyone else had this experience from Adorama recently?"

Yes, but not quite this bad. Unfortunately, to get anywhere in such a 
situation you do really need to call.


And when you call, don't let them tell you it is on backorder. "On 
backorder" is a meaningless designation that they use as a customer sop. 
I have seen the designation applied to new lenses that they have not yet 
gotten their first shipment of (like the DA 40 last spring). Call and be 
firm. Demand a real answer, not a canned one.


KEH had several used FA 50 macros last time I looked.

Joe

Re: PESO - Aspenglen

[frank theriault]

On 1/5/06, David Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I like it.  It'd look nice on the wall but I could just imagine
> visitors trying to straighten it :)
>
> - Dave
>
> On Jan 5, 2006, at 7:48 PM, Tom C wrote:
>
> > Taken way back in the film days... in Colorado, early autumn.
> >
> > Pentax MX, M 28/3.5, Fuji Velvia, ISO 50
> >
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=4002533
> >

I don't think I ever got the original post of this one, but I really
like it!  Your perspective really emphasises the height of those
trees.  I bet this would look terrific blowed up real big!  

Nice one, Tom.

cheers,
frank



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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Gary Sibio]

At 10:05 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote:


This one time, at band camp, David Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On the other hand if I said nothing & it turns out he's guilty I'd
> feel crap too.

This guy does not deny it. He is angry that "some bastard dobbed them in"


If the guy admits he shot kiddie porn, not only would I tell his boss 
but I'd be putting up posters around his neighborhood warning parents 
who live around there.




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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Gary Sibio]

At 03:33 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote:

The shop owner isn't in jeopardy. All he did was hire someone, 
apparently after any alleged misdeeds took place. Until proven 
guilty, the accused should be allowed to earn a living. The world is 
plagued with busybodies who can't keep their nose out of other 
people's business.


I know nothing about Australian law but, in the US, the shop owner 
could lose some or all of his inventory _if_ any of it was used to 
take the photos. His shop would be considered part of a criminal enterprise.




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RE: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Gary Sibio]

At 04:06 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote:


As others have pointed out, he is innocent until proven guilty. This is true
even if he admits that he did it. He isn't working somewhere that children
are at risk. You should probably assume that if you know who he is, then the
store owner does too.


I disagree. If he admits to it, people need to be warned. This man is 
dangerous. If he hadn't admitted it I would agree with the innocent 
until proven guilty but, in this case, let's worry more about the 
rights of the innocent children than his.




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Re: GESO: Life Behind a Glass

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

In a message dated 1/3/2006 6:10:04 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

During last week i've been visiting one of the most visited Tel Aviv
street "Shenkin str.". This is a very small street with only one
direction of driving and small sidewalks, but it's very hard to walk
there because of the amount of people walking there. The popularity is
because of the large amount of the Caffe shops, lots of cheap clothes
shops and the location - right in the middle of everything. I like to
walk there and look into the shop windows (i don't really know how to
say that better in english so please... ;-) )

Hope you'll like this small project of mine:



The photographs show interesting compositions, but seem a little busy.


PS: The current version of Gallery of mine uses a lot of java
scripting so it can look like flash sometimes but it's not.
Unfortunately i'm forced to use this one because of the security
issues.


The display pages are too complex, take to long to read and  
understand the controls, and download relatively slowly even on aDSL  
connection. I don't like the page to page transitions ... they seem  
slow and awkward.


Simpler, straight HTML or DHTML would be preferable.

Godfrey

Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Shel Belinkoff"

Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded



Don't be so sure about that, Jack.  I've personally known two situations
where someone was fired based only on an anonymous phone call, and I know
that the employee was not asked a single question or given an opportunity
to explain her side of the story.


It really depends on the alleged offence and how both society and the 
emplyer feels about it.
My employer considers being charged with an offence sufficient grounds for 
dismissal, and in some circumstances, considers being investigated 
sufficient grounds for dismissal.


William Robb 

Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault"

Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded



On 1/8/06, Kevin Waterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Not really so confused. Some of the images these people were taking were 
of
my own children in various dance costumes along with hundreds of other 
children
at various childrens dance events. These images were supplied to child 
porn sites

on the net along with other more.. sick images.



I understand your concern, being personally involved as you are.  I
understand that you may have feelings of great anger towards this
employee, who seems to have been involved in this sick scheme.


I think anyone in his position should consider themselves emotionally to 
involved to have good judgement regarding the matter.


William Robb

Re: IS without knowledge of lens (Was: RE: A10: Pentax Image Stabilization is...

[Gonz]

Patrice LACOUTURE (GMail) wrote:

Gonz a écrit :

I don't know this -- does a foreign company need to take out patents 
in the US for their proprietary stuff?




Yes, if they want protection in the US for their proprietary products. 
Our company routinely files patents in the European Union, Japan, as 
well as the US of course.


Yep, and this does really not help companies worldwide to protect their 
Intellectual Property. Even more so for individuals.


And once a company owns a patent portfolio filed in a bunch of well 
chosen countries, it must be taken care of, and all this means big $$$.


Europe is moving the right way in this regard.

Filing a patent in, say, China is still impractical (anyway, do you 
*really* dream to sell to China?), but at least, you can protect your 
invention in the countries you expect to sell it, and prevent imports of 
counterfeit copies.


Bottom line: if me, as an individual, invent anything really worth 
filing parents worldwide, I'd rather file it in my own country first if 
I can afford it, then look for investors ready to back up with big $$$ 
only to protect the invention on a wider basis!




In the US you have about a year from public disclosure to the point of 
patent application.  In other countries, its usually less, down to the 
point of public disclosure.  So in many cases you would not get 
protection if you waited for $$$ to apply.






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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Sibio"

Subject: RE: Vigilant or Bloody Minded



At 04:06 AM 1/8/2006, you wrote:

As others have pointed out, he is innocent until proven guilty. This is 
true

even if he admits that he did it. He isn't working somewhere that children
are at risk. You should probably assume that if you know who he is, then 
the

store owner does too.


I disagree. If he admits to it, people need to be warned. This man is 
dangerous. If he hadn't admitted it I would agree with the innocent until 
proven guilty but, in this case, let's worry more about the rights of the 
innocent children than his.


So, you brand the guy as a Typhoid Mary, turn him out on the street with no 
ability to earn a living, and likely no treatment for the mental illness 
that put him into the situation in the first place.

And what the fuck do you think he is going to do?
Crawl under a rock and hide?
If you don't give the person the tools he needs to rehabilitate himself, and 
a reason to rehabilitate, most likely he is going to re-offend.


William Robb

Re: GESO: Darwin dawns

[Perry Pellechia]

Those are all very nicely done.


On 1/8/06, Keith McGuinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> A GESO (my last for quite some time, I expect) to illustrate why
> I enjoy this beach in the early morning:
>
> http://www.users.bigpond.com/keith.mcguinness/ph/sevendawns/index.html
>
> For fun, and a challenge, I did consecutive days.
>
> After the first day, I started shooting RAW (for colour balance).
>
> Some cropping and curve adjustment; otherwise I've just nudged
> the colour balance to try to make the images more true-to-life
> (as I saw the scene at the time).
>
> All comments welcome.
>
> Keith
>
> What a fun list this is!
>
>


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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Jack Davis]

The boss was a body part. Not something one may allow for.

Jack

--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Don't be so sure about that, Jack.  I've personally known two
> situations
> where someone was fired based only on an anonymous phone call, and I
> know
> that the employee was not asked a single question or given an
> opportunity
> to explain her side of the story.
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jack Davis 
> 
> > True, butI wouldn't think the owner would take any dismissal action
> > until the employee was asked (in depth) about the investigation.
> > Encountering an attitude or non-responsive, dismissing answers
> might
> > give the owner something for the file..or not.
> 
> 
> 




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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Jack Davis]

Just a visceral reaction to the "piling on" perception simply for the
sport of it. The timing was my preception only.
As I said, appears it was ill-considered.


Jack

--- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Fair enough, although I didn't consider it unfair or ill-considered,
> although it may have been.  I was just wondering why/how you came to
> that
> conclusion.  No apology needed, but graciously accepted.
> 
> Shel (still curious)
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Date: 1/9/2006 6:05:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
> >
> > Shel,
> >
> > That was an unfair, ill-considered reaction on my part.
> > Apologies.
> >
> > Jack
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> > --- Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Jack,
> > > 
> > > Why would you assume that?  I'd not posted to the thread before,
> and
> > > my views were not made public.  IAC, you're forgiven ;-))
> > > 
> > > Shel
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > [Original Message]
> > > > From: Jack Davis 
> > > 
> > > > Forgive me, but I had already assumed that.
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > > --- Shel Belinkoff  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Let me just register my non-support.  
> > > > > I'm fully in accord with Bob
> > > > > Walkden's statements and others that 
> > > > > take the same position.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > __ 
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RE: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Shel Belinkoff]

The question in my mind is what did he specifically admit to?  None of us
know to what he exactly admitted.  For example, he may have taken innocent
pics and his uncle may have sent them to porn sites. He may have some
peripheral involvement, but not enough to be guilty of any crimes. IOW, we
on this list do not know enough to make a reasonable judgement.  We only
know what Kevin has said, and he admits to having a bias as his children
were allegedly photographed.  Kevin has not provided enough specific
information about what this man has allegedly done.  Some of the statements
Kevin has made is leading me to think that he is biased, prejudicial,
mean-spirited, and irrational. 

If we on this list are going to proffer opinions, then we need all the
facts presented clearly and in an unbiased manner.  IMO, we don't have all
the facts, and those which we have are nothing more than hearsay presented
by someone who admits to having a personal involvement in the case - IOW,
not a disinterested party.

That so many people on this list would want to take action against this guy
frightens me. And lets be concerned about everyone's rights in this
situation.  Trial by an ill-informed internet mailing list does not seem to
be in anybody's best interest.


Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Sibio 

> >As others have pointed out, he is innocent until proven guilty. 
> >This is true even if he admits that he did it. He isn't working 
> >somewhere that children are at risk. You should probably 
> >assume that if you know who he is, then thestore owner does 
> >too.
>
> I disagree. If he admits to it, people need to be warned. This man is 
> dangerous. If he hadn't admitted it I would agree with the innocent 
> until proven guilty but, in this case, let's worry more about the 
> rights of the innocent children than his.

Re: OT Kodak unveils new logo

[Albano Garcia]

Well,
I'm a graphic designer with university degree, so I
guess my opinion is somewhat "expert". 
The new one sucks, it's anything but contemporary, it
looks old (I know retro is fashion, but for a
technology company it's no good), the type sucks and
the two stripes are hilarious. And they must have paid
at least 50k usd for that piece of sh**t.
Also, if your company is going badly, the worst you
can do is to change your logo, you'll only confuse
consumers.
Goodbye Kodak

Albano

--- Lewis Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My reaction was somewhat different. I read the
> paragraph you quoted and 
> thought "B**t". :-)
> I sent the quote to my son (a Toyota USA Market
> Planning Administrator), and 
> he answered "B**t". :-)
> 
> Lewis
> 
> >My reaction was the same ...
> >
> >Shel
> >
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: frank theriault
> >
> > >
>
>http://rochesterdandc.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060106/NEWS01/6010600
> >1
> >
> > > "The new mark, based on a customized typeface,
> is designed to give the
> > > company a contemporary look but be flexible
> enough to apply in new
> > > ways and new venues across Kodak's varied
> businesses --everything from
> > > tiny handheld digital cameras to computer
> software to the letters on
> > > Kodak buildings around the world."
> > >
> > > Huh?  Are they looking at the same "new
> corporate logo" that I am?
> > > Does it say something that the old one doesn't?
> > >
> > > I don't know much about the marketing and
> advertising biz, so I'm
> > > obviously ignorant, and don't know much about
> these things...
> >
> >
> 
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Re: Sigma 100-300 test shot:Was: shopping today

[brooksdj]

> On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:57:03 
US/Eastern, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Here is a link to a shot from the 
> > istD and
using
the 100-300 you bought.
> >
> > http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/sigma100-300.jpg
> 
> I know it's just "a test", but that's really a heck of a nice pic,
> Dave.  You guys have a bit more snow up north of the city than we
> do...
> 
> cheers,
> frank

Thats cause your closer to the sun than i am.
Thanks BTW:-)

Dave

Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Gary Sibio]

At 12:09 PM 1/9/2006, you wrote:


So, you brand the guy as a Typhoid Mary, turn him out on the street 
with no ability to earn a living, and likely no treatment for the 
mental illness that put him into the situation in the first place.

And what the fuck do you think he is going to do?
Crawl under a rock and hide?
If you don't give the person the tools he needs to rehabilitate 
himself, and a reason to rehabilitate, most likely he is going to re-offend.


Your concerns are terribly misplaced. He's worse than Typhoid Mary. 
She was unaware that she was endangering others.


This man is a predator, not a victim. He was not forced to do what he 
did at gunpoint. His potential victims need to be warned. That's why 
we have 'Meagan's Law' in the USA which mandates that people be able 
to find out if there are any sexual offenders in their neighborhood 
after they have served their sentences. In many, if not most, 
communities, you can log onto a Web site to learn where they are. 
This man admits to what he has done. There is no doubt he is guilty. 
He should be in jail for the protection of the community. Sexual 
offenders rarely rehabilitate themselves. The recitivism (sp?) rate 
for these crimes is more than 95%, Even those who are required to 
take drugs to control their impulses are dangerous because the drugs 
are not completely effective.


His victims will be scarred for life. Some will probably go on to 
victimize other sexually. They will, most likely, never be able to 
sexually relate to another person normally for the rest of their lives.


According to what has been posted regarding this man he is not 
showing any sign of admitting that what he had done was wrong. He's 
angry at the guy who turned him in. He deserves no sympathy as far as 
I am concerned.




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RE: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Gary Sibio]

At 12:25 PM 1/9/2006, you wrote:


The question in my mind is what did he specifically admit to?  None of us
know to what he exactly admitted.  For example, he may have taken innocent
pics and his uncle may have sent them to porn sites. He may have some
peripheral involvement, but not enough to be guilty of any crimes. IOW, we
on this list do not know enough to make a reasonable judgement.  We only
know what Kevin has said, and he admits to having a bias as his children
were allegedly photographed.  Kevin has not provided enough specific
information about what this man has allegedly done.  Some of the statements
Kevin has made is leading me to think that he is biased, prejudicial,
mean-spirited, and irrational.


If there were any extenuating circumstances, I would think he - the 
perp - would have mentioned them. I don't believe we are talking 
about taking pictures in the bathtub or a group of shirtless 
4-year-olds playing in a splash pool.


The man has injured innocent children. He must pay for his crime. His 
rights ended when he admitted what he did.




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Re: Very long adorama order

[Derby Chang]

Perry Pellechia wrote:


Derby,
While my experience was not as long and drawn out as yours, I had an
order that took longer than it should have and I had to call to find
out what was going on.  About a year ago I ordered a used lens and got
the same excuse that it was not working correctly after waiting for it
for over a week.  In your case I believe that what really happened is
that they sold the F300/4.5 to someone else.   Perhaps it was a
walk-in sale or a phone order came in first.  Either way they did not
have it any longer.  It does not make any sense that the lens was not
in working condition.  I am sure they tested it pretty well before
they bought it from another individual.

I am also guessing that the FA50 macro was sold to someone else before
they could ship the second order.  So they used excuse number 2 (lost
in shipment).   I think that as long as the item is on the shelf,
first with cash will get it.  So walk in sales will get the item if it
had not been pack and shipped.  This is only my gut feeling about
Adorama. I have no proof of this.


Perry.
 

 



Thanks Perry, that was my gut feeling too. The lost in shipment doesn't 
make sense unless it was lost between the Adorama used department and 
dispatch. If it was really lost it would have had to be shipped first 
and I didn't get a UPS tracking number.


Oh well. I sent an email to the Adorama customer service department. I 
wonder what they will say.


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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Shel Belinkoff]

You still don't know what he did ... your whole premise is based on
something Kevin said, and Kevin was not at all clear about the specifics of
what this guy supposedly did. 

Tell me, Gary, just ~exactly~ what did this man do, just ~exactly~ what did
he admit to?  Please be specific.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Sibio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 1/9/2006 10:50:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
>
> At 12:09 PM 1/9/2006, you wrote:
>
>
> >So, you brand the guy as a Typhoid Mary, turn him out on the street 
> >with no ability to earn a living, and likely no treatment for the 
> >mental illness that put him into the situation in the first place.
> >And what the fuck do you think he is going to do?
> >Crawl under a rock and hide?
> >If you don't give the person the tools he needs to rehabilitate 
> >himself, and a reason to rehabilitate, most likely he is going to
re-offend.
>
> Your concerns are terribly misplaced. He's worse than Typhoid Mary. 
> She was unaware that she was endangering others.
>
> This man is a predator, not a victim. He was not forced to do what he 
> did at gunpoint. His potential victims need to be warned. That's why 
> we have 'Meagan's Law' in the USA which mandates that people be able 
> to find out if there are any sexual offenders in their neighborhood 
> after they have served their sentences. In many, if not most, 
> communities, you can log onto a Web site to learn where they are. 
> This man admits to what he has done. There is no doubt he is guilty. 
> He should be in jail for the protection of the community. Sexual 
> offenders rarely rehabilitate themselves. The recitivism (sp?) rate 
> for these crimes is more than 95%, Even those who are required to 
> take drugs to control their impulses are dangerous because the drugs 
> are not completely effective.
>
> His victims will be scarred for life. Some will probably go on to 
> victimize other sexually. They will, most likely, never be able to 
> sexually relate to another person normally for the rest of their lives.
>
> According to what has been posted regarding this man he is not 
> showing any sign of admitting that what he had done was wrong. He's 
> angry at the guy who turned him in. He deserves no sympathy as far as 
> I am concerned.

Re: OT Kodak unveils new logo

[Kenneth Waller]

>I'm a graphic designer with university degree, so I
>guess my opinion is somewhat "expert".

Yes but are you over fifty miles from home? 

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
>From: Albano Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Subject: Re: OT Kodak unveils new logo
>
>Well,
>I'm a graphic designer with university degree, so I
>guess my opinion is somewhat "expert". 
>The new one sucks, it's anything but contemporary, it
>looks old (I know retro is fashion, but for a
>technology company it's no good), the type sucks and
>the two stripes are hilarious. And they must have paid
>at least 50k usd for that piece of sh**t.
>Also, if your company is going badly, the worst you
>can do is to change your logo, you'll only confuse
>consumers.
>Goodbye Kodak
>
>Albano
>
>--- Lewis Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> My reaction was somewhat different. I read the
>> paragraph you quoted and 
>> thought "B**t". :-)
>> I sent the quote to my son (a Toyota USA Market
>> Planning Administrator), and 
>> he answered "B**t". :-)
>> 
>> Lewis
>> 
>> >My reaction was the same ...
>> >
>> >Shel
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > [Original Message]
>> > > From: frank theriault
>> >
>> > >
>>
>>http://rochesterdandc.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060106/NEWS01/6010600
>> >1
>> >
>> > > "The new mark, based on a customized typeface,
>> is designed to give the
>> > > company a contemporary look but be flexible
>> enough to apply in new
>> > > ways and new venues across Kodak's varied
>> businesses --everything from
>> > > tiny handheld digital cameras to computer
>> software to the letters on
>> > > Kodak buildings around the world."
>> > >
>> > > Huh?  Are they looking at the same "new
>> corporate logo" that I am?
>> > > Does it say something that the old one doesn't?
>> > >
>> > > I don't know much about the marketing and
>> advertising biz, so I'm
>> > > obviously ignorant, and don't know much about
>> these things...
>> >
>> >
>> 
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Re: franco studio - one of us??

[Ann Sanfedele]

Don Sanderson wrote:
> 
> Hi Ann, looks like a basic run of the mill ad banner based
> blog/chat/sharing site.
> I may join just to see what it's like.
> I have the advantage though of being able to set up an e-mail
> address just for this kind of stuff.
> If it turns out to be useless or a "spam factory" I just kill
> the e-mail account and be done with it.
> I assume the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an address you were
> invited to join hi5 from?
> www.francostudiopro.com is a NY based photo studio, looks legit.
> Their address and phone numbers are posted on the site.
> 
> Don

Yeah - that was it...
Seemed possible someone I actually knew sent it,
so I queried here.

thanks for the added info :)

ann
(no time to read the list) san


> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ann Sanfedele [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:26 PM
> > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> > Subject: franco studio - one of us??
> >
> >
> >
> > ok, anyone know who or what this is???
> > www.hi5.com
> >
> > or
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > ann the paranoid
> >

RE: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Shel Belinkoff]

"Perp?"  You're watching too many crime shows on TV.

If the police thought he was guilty, if they had enough evidence against
him, why was he not charged?  

You say that you "don't believe we are talking about taking pictures in the
bathtub or a group of shirtless  4-year-olds playing in a splash pool.." 
Well, what do you believe he allegedly did?  Tell us specifically what he
did.  You can't, because you don't know.  You can only assume things based
on vague information provided by Kevin.  What you "believe" has nothing to
do with justice and fairness, guilt or innocence.   Your beliefs have
nothing to do with the facts of the situation.



Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Sibio 

> >The question in my mind is what did he specifically admit to?  None of us
> >know to what he exactly admitted.  For example, he may have taken
innocent
> >pics and his uncle may have sent them to porn sites. He may have some
> >peripheral involvement, but not enough to be guilty of any crimes. IOW,
we
> >on this list do not know enough to make a reasonable judgement.  We only
> >know what Kevin has said, and he admits to having a bias as his children
> >were allegedly photographed.  Kevin has not provided enough specific
> >information about what this man has allegedly done.  Some of the
statements
> >Kevin has made is leading me to think that he is biased, prejudicial,
> >mean-spirited, and irrational.
>
> If there were any extenuating circumstances, I would think he - the 
> perp - would have mentioned them. I don't believe we are talking 
> about taking pictures in the bathtub or a group of shirtless 
> 4-year-olds playing in a splash pool.
>
> The man has injured innocent children. He must pay for his crime. His 
> rights ended when he admitted what he did.

PESO: Misty

[Margus Männik]

It's been too long time since my last PESO :)
Please meet Misty:
http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/misty.jpg

BR, Margus

P.S. my model right NOW
http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/imgp0474.jpg

BRM

Re: PESO: Misty

[frank theriault]

On 1/9/06, Margus Männik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's been too long time since my last PESO :)
> Please meet Misty:
> http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/misty.jpg
>
> BR, Margus
>
> P.S. my model right NOW
> http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/imgp0474.jpg

Now that's a cute kitty pic.  Terrific work, Margus!

cheers,
frank

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RE: PESO: Misty

[Shel Belinkoff]

The file is quite large and was taking forever to download ... nice cat,
but a smaller file size for the web, like the second pic - is probably on
order.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Margus Männik 

> Please meet Misty:
> http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/misty.jpg
>
> BR, Margus
>
> P.S. my model right NOW
> http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/imgp0474.jpg

RE: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Ivan Shukster]

The man may of

1) been the main player and his uncle is taking the heat

2) been the one who turned his uncle into the law and is faking anger for
the sake of his place in the extended family

3) been only slightly involved and the law thought it was better to ignore
him than to ruin his career/life and turn him into an "outlaw"

4) been heavily involved and the law is operating a sting to catch him and
others

5) looked at photos that others have taken and never been near one of these
kids

6) helped out his uncle who he really likes or owes but not into child porn


It seems to me the pendulum has swung over too far in outing these people so
that they cannot return to a "normal" life. At one time the crime was
virtually ignored and now it should be a death sentence. In Vancouver
someone was charged with child abuse for writing a fictional story.
Pornography perhaps but how can you abuse a fictional character? Stephen
King is never charged with murder for his novels.

The other point that bothers me is when someone IS convicted with a sex
crime they are treated as a criminal, someone who committed a criminal act.
But when it is time for their release after serving their sentence or after
being released we are told that they have mental problems and can never be
rehabitated. Which is it criminal or mental. If they cannot be rehabbed than
it seems logical that they do not have full control of their actions. If
they are in full control of their actions then after release they should be
not treated any worse than a convicted robber or murderer is after release.

If this person is working in a place that they could further their illegal
actions or harm children or others than there is no reason for them being in
this situation. Make an appointment to speak about your concerns with either
the police department or the prosecutors office. Let them decide if there is
a potential problem.  When we did foster parenting the regulations were that
only those who could be at risk such as children staying overnight at our
home or where that child stayed could be told about the problem.  Driving
offenders and potential offenders underground might make a single street or
neighbourhood slightly safer but if the person is going to offend it just
moves it over to a less affluent part of town or country.

-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: January 9, 2006 12:04 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded




You still don't know what he did ... your whole premise is based on
something Kevin said, and Kevin was not at all clear about the specifics of
what this guy supposedly did.

Tell me, Gary, just ~exactly~ what did this man do, just ~exactly~ what did
he admit to?  Please be specific.

Shel



> [Original Message]
> From: Gary Sibio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: 1/9/2006 10:50:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
>
> At 12:09 PM 1/9/2006, you wrote:
>
>
> >So, you brand the guy as a Typhoid Mary, turn him out on the street
> >with no ability to earn a living, and likely no treatment for the
> >mental illness that put him into the situation in the first place.
> >And what the fuck do you think he is going to do?
> >Crawl under a rock and hide?
> >If you don't give the person the tools he needs to rehabilitate
> >himself, and a reason to rehabilitate, most likely he is going to
re-offend.
>
> Your concerns are terribly misplaced. He's worse than Typhoid Mary.
> She was unaware that she was endangering others.
>
> This man is a predator, not a victim. He was not forced to do what he
> did at gunpoint. His potential victims need to be warned. That's why
> we have 'Meagan's Law' in the USA which mandates that people be able
> to find out if there are any sexual offenders in their neighborhood
> after they have served their sentences. In many, if not most,
> communities, you can log onto a Web site to learn where they are.
> This man admits to what he has done. There is no doubt he is guilty.
> He should be in jail for the protection of the community. Sexual
> offenders rarely rehabilitate themselves. The recitivism (sp?) rate
> for these crimes is more than 95%, Even those who are required to
> take drugs to control their impulses are dangerous because the drugs
> are not completely effective.
>
> His victims will be scarred for life. Some will probably go on to
> victimize other sexually. They will, most likely, never be able to
> sexually relate to another person normally for the rest of their lives.
>
> According to what has been posted regarding this man he is not
> showing any sign of admitting that what he had done was wrong. He's
> angry at the guy who turned him in. He deserves no sympathy as far as
> I am concerned.




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Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Cotty]

On 9/1/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:

>That so many people on this list would want to take action against this guy
>frightens me. 

Doesn't surprise me one bit Shel. The 'hang em high' attitude is quite
prevalent out in supposedly educated modern society. In every democracy
there's a civil war just biding its time !




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Re: DA40mm on a film body

[Margus Männik]

Very good!

At least I know now that I'm not the only one, who's considering this 
lens usable on film body.


BR, Margus


Rob Studdert wrote:


On 7 Jan 2006 at 21:33, Derby Chang wrote:

 

Got back my roll of slide tests using the DA40 on a PZ-1. It was not a 
very rigorous test, as I don't expect to be using the DA on a film body 
much (nor using 35mm much at all for that matter). I probably should 
have done some centre-corner resolution tests, but I wanted to get out 
and play with my other goodies (the Horizon 202 is a HUGE amount of fun).


Results here...
http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/40mm/DA40mm.html
   



Looks pretty usable.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998



 

Re: PESO: Misty

[Cotty]

On 9/1/06, Margus Männik, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It's been too long time since my last PESO :)
>Please meet Misty:
>http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/misty.jpg

Nice work Margus. That's a sweety!




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Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[Glen]

At 09:05 AM 1/9/2006, Bob Shell wrote:


It's partially an answer to Apple's Aperture, and I love it that
Adobe is giving it away for free while Apple is trying to charge an
absurdly high price for Aperture.


This program isn't intended to remain free, is it?

I would expect Adobe to start charging for it, after the beta period is 
over. If the non-beta "release version" remains free, this sounds terrific.


Two more questions:  What does this program do that Adobe Bridge, or the 
Organizer in Photoshop Elements 4 won't do? Aren't these three programs 
designed to do roughly the same thing?


take care,
Glen

Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[John Francis]

On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 02:42:34PM -0500, Glen wrote:
> At 09:05 AM 1/9/2006, Bob Shell wrote:
> 
> >It's partially an answer to Apple's Aperture, and I love it that
> >Adobe is giving it away for free while Apple is trying to charge an
> >absurdly high price for Aperture.
> 
> This program isn't intended to remain free, is it?
> 
> I would expect Adobe to start charging for it, after the beta period is 
> over. If the non-beta "release version" remains free, this sounds terrific.

The expected pricing, according to the Adobe Lab forums, is
"somewhere between Elements and Photoshop"

Re: PESO: Misty

[Jack Davis]

Nice to have meant Misty. Is that smoke rising above her head?
Beautiful fur person, well caught.

Jack
--- Margus Männik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's been too long time since my last PESO :)
> Please meet Misty:
> http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/misty.jpg
> 
> BR, Margus
> 
> P.S. my model right NOW
> http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/imgp0474.jpg
> 
> BRM
> 
> 




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Re: PESO: Misty

[Kenneth Waller]

Marcus, a nice capture of a beautiful animal.
If it were mine (the image) I'd clone out the tail - looks like its sticking 
out of its head.

Kenneth Waller

-Original Message-
>From: Margus Männik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: PESO: Misty
>
>It's been too long time since my last PESO :)
>Please meet Misty:
>http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/misty.jpg
>
>BR, Margus
>
>P.S. my model right NOW
>http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/imgp0474.jpg
>
>BRM
>



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Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 9, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Glen wrote:

Two more questions:  What does this program do that Adobe Bridge,  
or the Organizer in Photoshop Elements 4 won't do? Aren't these  
three programs designed to do roughly the same thing?


It's a workflow/organizer/RAW editor integration. It is designed to  
streamline the workflow for organizing and RAW processing into a more  
productive form.


So far, I'm liking it. Haven't done much with it just yet: spent a  
few minutes exploring its basic functions and operation. It seems  
relatively intuitive to learn, easy to get started with: a fairly  
subtle design.


Godfrey

Re: PESO: Misty

[Perry Pellechia]

Beautiful cat and very nice photo.  I agree with Ken, clone out the tail.

On 1/9/06, Kenneth Waller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marcus, a nice capture of a beautiful animal.
> If it were mine (the image) I'd clone out the tail - looks like its sticking 
> out of its head.
>
> Kenneth Waller
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Margus Männik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: PESO: Misty
> >
> >It's been too long time since my last PESO :)
> >Please meet Misty:
> >http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/misty.jpg
> >
> >BR, Margus
> >
> >P.S. my model right NOW
> >http://www.eol.ee/~margus/misty/imgp0474.jpg
> >
> >BRM
> >
>
>
> 
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RE: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Jack Davis]

I understand a number of "authorities" have professed that  sexual
predators cannot be cured. Hard to take issue with such a declaration.
Mental problems may only extend to their inability to control their
"urges". If they are so inclined, they will find a way to express them.

Jack

--- Ivan Shukster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The man may of
> 
> 1) been the main player and his uncle is taking the heat
> 
> 2) been the one who turned his uncle into the law and is faking anger
> for
> the sake of his place in the extended family
> 
> 3) been only slightly involved and the law thought it was better to
> ignore
> him than to ruin his career/life and turn him into an "outlaw"
> 
> 4) been heavily involved and the law is operating a sting to catch
> him and
> others
> 
> 5) looked at photos that others have taken and never been near one of
> these
> kids
> 
> 6) helped out his uncle who he really likes or owes but not into
> child porn
> 
> 
> It seems to me the pendulum has swung over too far in outing these
> people so
> that they cannot return to a "normal" life. At one time the crime was
> virtually ignored and now it should be a death sentence. In Vancouver
> someone was charged with child abuse for writing a fictional story.
> Pornography perhaps but how can you abuse a fictional character?
> Stephen
> King is never charged with murder for his novels.
> 
> The other point that bothers me is when someone IS convicted with a
> sex
> crime they are treated as a criminal, someone who committed a
> criminal act.
> But when it is time for their release after serving their sentence or
> after
> being released we are told that they have mental problems and can
> never be
> rehabitated. Which is it criminal or mental. If they cannot be
> rehabbed than
> it seems logical that they do not have full control of their actions.
> If
> they are in full control of their actions then after release they
> should be
> not treated any worse than a convicted robber or murderer is after
> release.
> 
> If this person is working in a place that they could further their
> illegal
> actions or harm children or others than there is no reason for them
> being in
> this situation. Make an appointment to speak about your concerns with
> either
> the police department or the prosecutors office. Let them decide if
> there is
> a potential problem.  When we did foster parenting the regulations
> were that
> only those who could be at risk such as children staying overnight at
> our
> home or where that child stayed could be told about the problem. 
> Driving
> offenders and potential offenders underground might make a single
> street or
> neighbourhood slightly safer but if the person is going to offend it
> just
> moves it over to a less affluent part of town or country.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: January 9, 2006 12:04 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You still don't know what he did ... your whole premise is based on
> something Kevin said, and Kevin was not at all clear about the
> specifics of
> what this guy supposedly did.
> 
> Tell me, Gary, just ~exactly~ what did this man do, just ~exactly~
> what did
> he admit to?  Please be specific.
> 
> Shel
> 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Gary Sibio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Date: 1/9/2006 10:50:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded
> >
> > At 12:09 PM 1/9/2006, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > >So, you brand the guy as a Typhoid Mary, turn him out on the
> street
> > >with no ability to earn a living, and likely no treatment for the
> > >mental illness that put him into the situation in the first place.
> > >And what the fuck do you think he is going to do?
> > >Crawl under a rock and hide?
> > >If you don't give the person the tools he needs to rehabilitate
> > >himself, and a reason to rehabilitate, most likely he is going to
> re-offend.
> >
> > Your concerns are terribly misplaced. He's worse than Typhoid Mary.
> > She was unaware that she was endangering others.
> >
> > This man is a predator, not a victim. He was not forced to do what
> he
> > did at gunpoint. His potential victims need to be warned. That's
> why
> > we have 'Meagan's Law' in the USA which mandates that people be
> able
> > to find out if there are any sexual offenders in their neighborhood
> > after they have served their sentences. In many, if not most,
> > communities, you can log onto a Web site to learn where they are.
> > This man admits to what he has done. There is no doubt he is
> guilty.
> > He should be in jail for the protection of the community. Sexual
> > offenders rarely rehabilitate themselves. The recitivism (sp?) rate
> > for these crimes is more than 95%, Even those who are required to
> > take drugs to control their impulses are dangerous because the
> drugs
> > are not completely effective.
> >
> > His victims will be scarred for life. Some will probably go o

RE: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[Tom C]

From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



The question in my mind is what did he specifically admit to?  None of us
know to what he exactly admitted.  For example, he may have taken innocent
pics and his uncle may have sent them to porn sites. He may have some
peripheral involvement, but not enough to be guilty of any crimes. IOW, we
on this list do not know enough to make a reasonable judgement.  We only
know what Kevin has said, and he admits to having a bias as his children
were allegedly photographed.  Kevin has not provided enough specific
information about what this man has allegedly done.  Some of the statements
Kevin has made is leading me to think that he is biased, prejudicial,
mean-spirited, and irrational.

If we on this list are going to proffer opinions, then we need all the
facts presented clearly and in an unbiased manner.  IMO, we don't have all
the facts, and those which we have are nothing more than hearsay presented
by someone who admits to having a personal involvement in the case - IOW,
not a disinterested party.

That so many people on this list would want to take action against this guy
frightens me. And lets be concerned about everyone's rights in this
situation.  Trial by an ill-informed internet mailing list does not seem to
be in anybody's best interest.


Shel


It's far too easy in cases like this for things to be blown far out of 
proportion.  It's human nature for a story to be exaggerated.  What's more, 
very often the police, social workers, and prosecuting attorneys 
deliberately lie, mislead, distort, and exaggerate in an attempt, to make 
the charges stick and build such a wall of "evidence" that the accused 
either has little chance of winning or that they give up the fight.  Their 
job is not to make people appear innocent now, is it?


I agree with you Shel... I'm afraid too.  For those that say some 
intevention should be taken... it's simply prejudging the man without 
knowing ANY of the FACTS.  We've heard one person's very short story on the 
matter.


If the individual is guilty of any heinous crimes, it's for those who 
understand the facts and hear the evidence to decide what they believe.


Tom C.

Re: PESO: Misty

[Collin R Brendemuehl]

Will she ever be in a Clint Eastwood movie?

Collin

Re: Pentax lens test on DIGITAL? All Pentax DSLR same imagaing?

[John Forbes]

I don't think such a site exists.

Others will no doubt correct me if I am wrong, but there does not seem to  
be any overwhelming evidence to suggest that older lenses in general work  
badly with digital.


Because of the crop factor, the following is true (of APS-C DSLRs):

1  Lenses with poor edge performance do better on digital because the  
edges are cropped.


2  Because the captured image is smaller, more magnification is required  
to make a final image of a given size.  This means that lenses which seem  
soft on film will seem softer on digital.


3  Some people claim that CA is worse with digital.  That impression might  
be caused partly by the need for increased magnification, and partly by  
the opportunity that digital offers to examine an image at very high  
magnification.  In other words, it enables people to be more critical.   
Either way, software tools can eliminate CA fairly effectively.


4  I haven't heard anybody say that a particular lens that is  
well-thought-of on film is actually bad on digital.  Bill Robb, by  
contrast, reckons that a 77 Ltd is a better portrait lens on digital than  
it is on film.


All the Pentax DSLR bodies have the same chip, but it is said by some  
people that there are some processing differences, at least with JPEG.  
However, whether the results are discernably different, I don't know.   I  
don't see why there should be any difference with RAW.


All the new DA lenses seem to be very sharp.

John




On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 17:39:57 -, Gonz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Wow.  Sounds like you are thinking about making the leap?

rg


J. C. O'Connell wrote:

Anybody know of a website(page) yet that
tests the performance of ALL Pentax Lenses on
Pentax DSLRS ( K and or M42). Since most
of these lenses were designed for film
rather than digital it would be very nice
to have some specific data on the APS digital performance of them,  
comparisons, etc.

 Secondly, are all three (four) of the Pentax
DSLR bodies so far identical in imaging
quality ( same sensors and processing, etc.)
???
 thanks in advance,
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Re: Very long adorama order

[Amita Guha]

> Has anyone else had this experience from Adorama recently?

My big annoyance with Adorama is that they don't have things in stock
when their website says they do, and then they try to BS you about it.
This has happened to me twice; once about a year ago, and recently,
two days before Christmas. Both times, B&H had the item in stock. I
used to prefer Adorama, but since their website doesn't list their
stock reliably, I end up going to B&H much more. Only once did B&H not
have something in stock when their site said they did.

Amita

Re: Adobe Lightroom free beta is here!

[Adam Maas]

Glen wrote:

At 09:05 AM 1/9/2006, Bob Shell wrote:


It's partially an answer to Apple's Aperture, and I love it that
Adobe is giving it away for free while Apple is trying to charge an
absurdly high price for Aperture.



This program isn't intended to remain free, is it?

I would expect Adobe to start charging for it, after the beta period is 
over. If the non-beta "release version" remains free, this sounds terrific.


Two more questions:  What does this program do that Adobe Bridge, or the 
Organizer in Photoshop Elements 4 won't do? Aren't these three programs 
designed to do roughly the same thing?


take care,
Glen


It's not going to remain free, and the beta will expire.

Lightroom is more capable than Bridge or Organizer is. It combines that 
functionality with significantly more editing capability (Well it will, 
editing is somewhat limited at this point, but on the feature-add list) 
and it is more capable as an image manager, being actually a database. 
Think iPhoto on steroids, but without the suck. It's more of a bridge 
replacement for photographers (Bridge is a generic file manager, and has 
no ability to organize images beyond folders/directories). Also the 
Camera RAW portion is built-in rather than opening up seperately, basic 
RAW editing can be done just by selecting an image.


-Adam

Re: Vigilant or Bloody Minded

[frank theriault]

On 1/9/06, Gary Sibio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> If there were any extenuating circumstances, I would think he - the
> perp -

Don't call him a perp.  What the hell is this, Law and Order or
something?  Are you a cop?  As far as we know, he's not even been
charged with anything.  Since a trial date is upcoming for the uncle,
I think we're pretty safe in saying the the police would have charged
him by now were they going to.

> would have mentioned them.

Quite frankly, we know even less about the camera store employee's
motivations to say whatever he said, than we do his involvement, so we
don't know if he'd have mentioned any extenuating circumstances or
not.

> I don't believe we are talking
> about taking pictures in the bathtub or a group of shirtless
> 4-year-olds playing in a splash pool.

You're right.  It's less than those scenarios.  Whoever did the
photographing, apparently photographed fully clothed children.  For
reasons that I don't understand, it seems there are people out there
who are aroused by looking at photos of young children in dance
costumes.  It may be sick, but how harmful is it?


> The man has injured innocent children.

How has he injured them?  Again, it may be sick, but unless the
children are identified and somehow harassed or harmed, where's the
injury?  I would agree that there's ~potential harm~ to them, but as
far as we know, no one has been hurt yet.  We obviously must protect
our children, but we also need a bit of perspective here.

> He must pay for his crime.

If anyone does anything illegal, and is found guilty by due process in
a court of law, of course he should pay for his crime.

> His
> rights ended when he admitted what he did.

No sir!!  With the greatest of respect,you are wrong.  First of all,
in this case, no one admitted to anything.  Secondly, one's rights
don't end when they confess.  There are any number of very good
reasons that one may confess to a crime they didn't commit.  In fact,
it's much more common than one would think.  One could be acting under
duress.  One could be insane or otherwise not in their right mind. 
One could be simply seeking attention or notoriety.  A person who
confesses to a crime must have the same rights as anyone else.  If we
take away that person's rights, then who's next?

cheers,
frank (wimpy liberal guy)


--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Pentax lens test on DIGITAL? All Pentax DSLR same imagaing?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 9, 2006, at 12:15 PM, John Forbes wrote:

2  Because the captured image is smaller, more magnification is  
required to make a final image of a given size.  This means that  
lenses which seem soft on film will seem softer on digital.


A thought experiment:

Let's assume that we have two cameras with digital sensors with  
8Mpixel resolution, one sized to 16x24mm and one sized to 24x36mm.


Further, let's assume that that we have a 35mm lens and a 50mm lens  
which demonstrate exactly equal performance.


Fit the 24x36mm camera with a 50mm lens, fit the 16x24mm camera with  
the 35mm lens. Then take a photograph of the same subject with each  
of the two cameras, framed and exposed identically, to RAW format  
files. Process them for identical tonal rendering. Do not apply any  
sharpening. Print them to 10x15 inch image area on 11x17" paper.


Which one will look sharper and why?

Feel free to use math... ;-)

Godfrey