FSF: Pentax K5

[Paul Stenquist]

I’d like to sell my K5. It looks great. Hasn’t been used in several years. 
comes with all the accessories and instruction manual in the original box. 
Strap, cables and charger were never used. It’s missing the plug for the 
battery grip.

$250 or $300 with the battery grip
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Re: Upgrade from K5 to KP???

[Toine]

My KP arrived. I'm impressed by the image quality and the many many
options.
I think I'll permanently mount my DA35 macro to the KP and no more crawling
in the mud for macro's with this combo.

Toine

On 7 July 2018 at 01:20, Zos Xavius  wrote:

> Oh yeah. SR works in movie mode on the K-5 too. That alone makes up
> for the lack of manual mode IMO. For the most part you can get away
> with autoexposure and exposure locking when appropriate. The files are
> huge and it only records for 5 minutes, but 80mbs is much better than
> the 18 or so the K-3 is putting out..
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 7:17 PM Zos Xavius  wrote:
> >
> > My K-5 IIs is still getting regular constant use and to be honest I
> > prefer its IQ over the K-3 somewhat except in the best light. At night
> > that camera is a handheld beast though I will concede that the SR is a
> > little better on the K-3. Still I can get down to 1/6th or more pretty
> > easily depending on focal length. I've pretty much settled on just
> > buying another one when it finally dies. It is a very good camera even
> > now.
> > On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:34 PM John Francis  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 03:33:27PM -0400, Rick Womer wrote:
> > > > I'm hoping to keep using my K-5 until the successor to the K-3ii is
> > > > out and de-bugged.
> > > >
> > > > Rick
> > >
> > > That's about where I am, too.
> > >
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Re: Upgrade from K5 to KP???

[Zos Xavius]

Oh yeah. SR works in movie mode on the K-5 too. That alone makes up
for the lack of manual mode IMO. For the most part you can get away
with autoexposure and exposure locking when appropriate. The files are
huge and it only records for 5 minutes, but 80mbs is much better than
the 18 or so the K-3 is putting out..
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 7:17 PM Zos Xavius  wrote:
>
> My K-5 IIs is still getting regular constant use and to be honest I
> prefer its IQ over the K-3 somewhat except in the best light. At night
> that camera is a handheld beast though I will concede that the SR is a
> little better on the K-3. Still I can get down to 1/6th or more pretty
> easily depending on focal length. I've pretty much settled on just
> buying another one when it finally dies. It is a very good camera even
> now.
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:34 PM John Francis  wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 03:33:27PM -0400, Rick Womer wrote:
> > > I'm hoping to keep using my K-5 until the successor to the K-3ii is
> > > out and de-bugged.
> > >
> > > Rick
> >
> > That's about where I am, too.
> >
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Re: Upgrade from K5 to KP???

[Zos Xavius]

My K-5 IIs is still getting regular constant use and to be honest I
prefer its IQ over the K-3 somewhat except in the best light. At night
that camera is a handheld beast though I will concede that the SR is a
little better on the K-3. Still I can get down to 1/6th or more pretty
easily depending on focal length. I've pretty much settled on just
buying another one when it finally dies. It is a very good camera even
now.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:34 PM John Francis  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 03:33:27PM -0400, Rick Womer wrote:
> > I'm hoping to keep using my K-5 until the successor to the K-3ii is
> > out and de-bugged.
> >
> > Rick
>
> That's about where I am, too.
>
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Re: Upgrade from K5 to KP???

[John Francis]

On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 03:33:27PM -0400, Rick Womer wrote:
> I'm hoping to keep using my K-5 until the successor to the K-3ii is
> out and de-bugged.
> 
> Rick

That's about where I am, too.


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Re: Upgrade from K5 to KP???

[Rick Womer]

I'm hoping to keep using my K-5 until the successor to the K-3ii is
out and de-bugged.

Rick

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 12:49 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> I think I'd take a K70 over a KP, they have almost the same sensor, pretty
> much the same features, but a more useful flip out screen on the K70, the
> same battery ,  but I'm pretty sure better battery life on the K70.  More
> importantly every grip that the KP to comes with is reported to be less
> comfortable than either the K-70 or the K-3II.  The only thing a K70 seems
> to lose out on is the Alloy body, and more retro design of the KP, and the
> GPS in the K-3II.
>
> I also think the soft controls and top plate status screen make more sense
> on a digital camera than the pseudo mechanical controls on the KP.
>
> The current price for a K70 seems to be about $200 less than a KP as well.
>
> Personally I'd take a K-3 or K-3II since it's probably a bit more rugged
> than the K-70, and the sensor is also pretty much the same if you plan to do
> most of your processing in RAW outside the camera, and I'd actually prefer a
> K-3 because I'd rather have a pop up flash in a pinch, rather than a built
> in GPS, but that's just me.
>
> On 7/2/2018 4:01 PM, Toine wrote:
>>
>> The recent cash back action made me wonder if I should upgrade my 6 year
>> old K5 to the KP.
>> Full frame is not what I need since most of my glass isn't full frame.
>> Which results in the K3-II as the only other option.
>>
>> What I don't like on the KP is the small new battery size and the missing
>> LCD panel. The tilting screen is what I most like.
>>
>> Probably they release a new flagship APS model the moment I buy a KP.
>>
>> Any other reasons I should or shouldn't get the KP?
>>
>> Toine
>
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Re: Upgrade from K5 to KP???

[P. J. Alling]

I think I'd take a K70 over a KP, they have almost the same sensor, 
pretty much the same features, but a more useful flip out screen on the 
K70, the same battery ,  but I'm pretty sure better battery life on the 
K70.  More importantly every grip that the KP to comes with is reported 
to be less comfortable than either the K-70 or the K-3II.  The only 
thing a K70 seems to lose out on is the Alloy body, and more retro 
design of the KP, and the GPS in the K-3II.


I also think the soft controls and top plate status screen make more 
sense on a digital camera than the pseudo mechanical controls on the KP.


The current price for a K70 seems to be about $200 less than a KP as well.

Personally I'd take a K-3 or K-3II since it's probably a bit more rugged 
than the K-70, and the sensor is also pretty much the same if you plan 
to do most of your processing in RAW outside the camera, and I'd 
actually prefer a K-3 because I'd rather have a pop up flash in a pinch, 
rather than a built in GPS, but that's just me.


On 7/2/2018 4:01 PM, Toine wrote:

The recent cash back action made me wonder if I should upgrade my 6 year
old K5 to the KP.
Full frame is not what I need since most of my glass isn't full frame.
Which results in the K3-II as the only other option.

What I don't like on the KP is the small new battery size and the missing
LCD panel. The tilting screen is what I most like.

Probably they release a new flagship APS model the moment I buy a KP.

Any other reasons I should or shouldn't get the KP?

Toine


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Re: Upgrade from K5 to KP???

[Henk Terhell]

Good luck with your choice. I like the small size of the KP, it looks 
almost a system camera.


Henk

Op 2018-07-04 om 18:56 schreef Toine:

I ordered one. for 699 I couldn't resist.

On 3 July 2018 at 12:52, Henk Terhell  wrote:


Toine,
I don't own the KP, but it would be my choice on APS-C considering it is
at present 100 euro cheaper than the K3-II.
Of course you can wait till a new flagship but it definitely will take
time before it is locally availabe.
As you say, a tilting screen is so useful in many situations, and
therefore many times a reason for me not to take my K5 along.

Henk

Op 2018-07-02 om 22:01 schreef Toine:

The recent cash back action made me wonder if I should upgrade my 6 year

old K5 to the KP.
Full frame is not what I need since most of my glass isn't full frame.
Which results in the K3-II as the only other option.

What I don't like on the KP is the small new battery size and the missing
LCD panel. The tilting screen is what I most like.

Probably they release a new flagship APS model the moment I buy a KP.

Any other reasons I should or shouldn't get the KP?

Toine



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Re: Upgrade from K5 to KP???

[Alan C]

29 per Mp.

Alan C


On 04-Jul-18 06:56 PM, Toine wrote:

I ordered one. for 699 I couldn't resist.

On 3 July 2018 at 12:52, Henk Terhell  wrote:


Toine,
I don't own the KP, but it would be my choice on APS-C considering it is
at present 100 euro cheaper than the K3-II.
Of course you can wait till a new flagship but it definitely will take
time before it is locally availabe.
As you say, a tilting screen is so useful in many situations, and
therefore many times a reason for me not to take my K5 along.

Henk

Op 2018-07-02 om 22:01 schreef Toine:

The recent cash back action made me wonder if I should upgrade my 6 year

old K5 to the KP.
Full frame is not what I need since most of my glass isn't full frame.
Which results in the K3-II as the only other option.

What I don't like on the KP is the small new battery size and the missing
LCD panel. The tilting screen is what I most like.

Probably they release a new flagship APS model the moment I buy a KP.

Any other reasons I should or shouldn't get the KP?

Toine



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Re: Upgrade from K5 to KP???

[Toine]

I ordered one. for 699 I couldn't resist.

On 3 July 2018 at 12:52, Henk Terhell  wrote:

> Toine,
> I don't own the KP, but it would be my choice on APS-C considering it is
> at present 100 euro cheaper than the K3-II.
> Of course you can wait till a new flagship but it definitely will take
> time before it is locally availabe.
> As you say, a tilting screen is so useful in many situations, and
> therefore many times a reason for me not to take my K5 along.
>
> Henk
>
> Op 2018-07-02 om 22:01 schreef Toine:
>
> The recent cash back action made me wonder if I should upgrade my 6 year
>> old K5 to the KP.
>> Full frame is not what I need since most of my glass isn't full frame.
>> Which results in the K3-II as the only other option.
>>
>> What I don't like on the KP is the small new battery size and the missing
>> LCD panel. The tilting screen is what I most like.
>>
>> Probably they release a new flagship APS model the moment I buy a KP.
>>
>> Any other reasons I should or shouldn't get the KP?
>>
>> Toine
>>
>
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Re: Upgrade from K5 to KP???

[Henk Terhell]

Toine,
I don't own the KP, but it would be my choice on APS-C considering it is 
at present 100 euro cheaper than the K3-II.
Of course you can wait till a new flagship but it definitely will take 
time before it is locally availabe.
As you say, a tilting screen is so useful in many situations, and 
therefore many times a reason for me not to take my K5 along.


Henk

Op 2018-07-02 om 22:01 schreef Toine:

The recent cash back action made me wonder if I should upgrade my 6 year
old K5 to the KP.
Full frame is not what I need since most of my glass isn't full frame.
Which results in the K3-II as the only other option.

What I don't like on the KP is the small new battery size and the missing
LCD panel. The tilting screen is what I most like.

Probably they release a new flagship APS model the moment I buy a KP.

Any other reasons I should or shouldn't get the KP?

Toine



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Re: Upgrade from K5 to KP???

[Subash Jeyan]

following this thread because i'm planning to do the same (from my 4
year old k5iis though). some of my friends who have it are raving about
the images it produces but the battery size/life is holding me back. the
other option i'm seriously considering is a k3.

why don't you go ahead and buy the kp? perhaps ricoh *will* release a
new flagship model :)

subash


On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 22:01:11 +0200
Toine  wrote:

> The recent cash back action made me wonder if I should upgrade my 6
> year old K5 to the KP.
> Full frame is not what I need since most of my glass isn't full frame.
> Which results in the K3-II as the only other option.
> 
> What I don't like on the KP is the small new battery size and the
> missing LCD panel. The tilting screen is what I most like.
> 
> Probably they release a new flagship APS model the moment I buy a KP.
> 
> Any other reasons I should or shouldn't get the KP?
> 
> Toine


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Upgrade from K5 to KP???

[Toine]

The recent cash back action made me wonder if I should upgrade my 6 year
old K5 to the KP.
Full frame is not what I need since most of my glass isn't full frame.
Which results in the K3-II as the only other option.

What I don't like on the KP is the small new battery size and the missing
LCD panel. The tilting screen is what I most like.

Probably they release a new flagship APS model the moment I buy a KP.

Any other reasons I should or shouldn't get the KP?

Toine
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Zos Xavius]

Wrong. :)

http://www.jtwastronomy.com/tutorials/debayer.html

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:29 AM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> For demosaicing(sp???) to work, the firmware has to take into account the
> color filters over each photosite.  If you could remover the Bayer filter,
> (which I think is impossible, based on my knowledge of how it's applied),
> the camera would need completely rewritten firmware, possibly even new
> hardware in the image processing engine.  The image with standard firmware
> will be subtly off, now that didn't stop photographs in the past recording
> some version of reality film ortho film, but the color and luminance values
> will be off, and you won't get the advantage of the higher resolution since
> the camera will still process the image to try to create a rgb image.
>
>
>
> On 1/9/2017 4:06 PM, Gonz wrote:
>>
>> I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have
>> the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?).  That would make
>> for a cool B camera.  don't know if the software would support this
>> kind of image though (in raw).
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>>
>>> I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens
>>> I've
>>> ever used.  I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, already
>>> had
>>> a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof standard range zoom.
>>>
>>> In decent light, I'm quite happy to leave it on my camera.  I don't know
>>> how
>>> it compares, other than speed and cost with the 24-70.
>>>
>>> Also, when I got my K-1 I had a K-3 and a K-3II which made a nice pair
>>> for
>>> when I wanted to use two bodies.  I held off on selling one, but these
>>> days
>>> only use one of them when I want to mount the 18-250 to have a small wide
>>> range camera to carry around, I should do something with the K-3.  One
>>> option, and probably the smart one, would be to sell it. Another option
>>> would be to have the IR block filter removed.
>>>
>>> This is a topic that comes up every now and then, and the list of shops
>>> doing it seems to change on a year by year basis.  Has anyone had the
>>> conversion done lately?  Who did it, are you happy with their work and
>>> what
>>> did it cost?
>>>
>>>
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[P. J. Alling]

For demosaicing(sp???) to work, the firmware has to take into account 
the color filters over each photosite.  If you could remover the Bayer 
filter, (which I think is impossible, based on my knowledge of how it's 
applied), the camera would need completely rewritten firmware, possibly 
even new hardware in the image processing engine.  The image with 
standard firmware will be subtly off, now that didn't stop photographs 
in the past recording some version of reality film ortho film, but the 
color and luminance values will be off, and you won't get the advantage 
of the higher resolution since the camera will still process the image 
to try to create a rgb image.



On 1/9/2017 4:06 PM, Gonz wrote:

I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have
the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?).  That would make
for a cool B camera.  don't know if the software would support this
kind of image though (in raw).


On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens I've
ever used.  I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, already had
a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof standard range zoom.

In decent light, I'm quite happy to leave it on my camera.  I don't know how
it compares, other than speed and cost with the 24-70.

Also, when I got my K-1 I had a K-3 and a K-3II which made a nice pair for
when I wanted to use two bodies.  I held off on selling one, but these days
only use one of them when I want to mount the 18-250 to have a small wide
range camera to carry around, I should do something with the K-3.  One
option, and probably the smart one, would be to sell it. Another option
would be to have the IR block filter removed.

This is a topic that comes up every now and then, and the list of shops
doing it seems to change on a year by year basis.  Has anyone had the
conversion done lately?  Who did it, are you happy with their work and what
did it cost?



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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Zos Xavius]

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Gonz wrote:
>>
>> I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have
>> the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?).  That would make
>> for a cool B camera.  don't know if the software would support this
>> kind of image though (in raw).
>
>
> My understanding is that the Bayer filter is actually part of the sensor,
> and can't be removed.  It would gain you about 5dB in sensitivity, at the
> loss of the ability to apply virtual color filters in post processing.

You can scrape it off or use chemicals to remove it. People offer
modified cameras with this done. You lose sensitivity due to the loss
of microlenses but gain sensitivity due to the loss of the CFA. This
seems to offset for the most part.

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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Bill]

On 1/9/2017 9:53 AM, Collin B wrote:

Zos said ...

The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro
tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they
put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you
didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself.


Is pixel shift usable outside of studio shooting?




Kind of sort of. It's usable in the same conditions you would have been 
using 4x5 in.


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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Bill]

On 1/9/2017 9:09 AM, Collin B wrote:

What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?




Pixel shift.
And that is a biggie if you are into macro.

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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Larry Colen]

David J Brooks wrote:

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens I've
ever used.  I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, already had
a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof standard range zoom.

which verdsion, i have the older FA 28-105. I found it poor on my K10d
but have yet to use it on my K-5, Right now its a body covwer on my
PZ-1


The new one, that was $500 with the K-1.  Weather resistant has become 
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[David J Brooks]

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens I've
> ever used.  I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, already had
> a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof standard range zoom.
which verdsion, i have the older FA 28-105. I found it poor on my K10d
but have yet to use it on my K-5, Right now its a body covwer on my
PZ-1

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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Gonz]

haha

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Gonz wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, you would be stuck using physical colored filters instead of
>> tweaking the B virtually in LR/PS.  Like back in the bad ole days of
>> B film.  You only get that chance to get it right with the physical
>> filters, lots of chances with the full Bayer filtered image.
>>
>> That's a big negative.
>
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> So negatives don't have Bayer filters, and no Bayer filter is a big
> negative?
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Larry Colen]

Gonz wrote:

Yeah, you would be stuck using physical colored filters instead of
tweaking the B virtually in LR/PS.  Like back in the bad ole days of
B film.  You only get that chance to get it right with the physical
filters, lots of chances with the full Bayer filtered image.

That's a big negative.


So negatives don't have Bayer filters, and no Bayer filter is a big 
negative?




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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Gonz]

Yeah, you would be stuck using physical colored filters instead of
tweaking the B virtually in LR/PS.  Like back in the bad ole days of
B film.  You only get that chance to get it right with the physical
filters, lots of chances with the full Bayer filtered image.

That's a big negative.


On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Gonz wrote:
>>
>> I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have
>> the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?).  That would make
>> for a cool B camera.  don't know if the software would support this
>> kind of image though (in raw).
>
>
> My understanding is that the Bayer filter is actually part of the sensor,
> and can't be removed.  It would gain you about 5dB in sensitivity, at the
> loss of the ability to apply virtual color filters in post processing.
>
> I would be interested in seeing real-world comparisons between the Leica
> monochrome only body, and the color equivalent.  With modern sensors, my
> suspicion is that there are very few situations where removing the Bayer
> filter would give a noticeable improvement, and a lot of times when not
> being able to tweak the contribution from the different channels in post
> would be a big detriment.
>
> In short, by the time the dust settled, you would get better results for
> less overall cost, just selling the K-3 buying an off the shelf K-1 and
> converting to B in Post than you would converting the K-3. If you already
> have the K-1, I can't think of any advantage you would have by removing the
> Bayer on a K-3 for B
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Larry Colen]

Gonz wrote:

I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have
the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?).  That would make
for a cool B camera.  don't know if the software would support this
kind of image though (in raw).


My understanding is that the Bayer filter is actually part of the 
sensor, and can't be removed.  It would gain you about 5dB in 
sensitivity, at the loss of the ability to apply virtual color filters 
in post processing.


I would be interested in seeing real-world comparisons between the Leica 
monochrome only body, and the color equivalent.  With modern sensors, my 
suspicion is that there are very few situations where removing the Bayer 
filter would give a noticeable improvement, and a lot of times when not 
being able to tweak the contribution from the different channels in post 
would be a big detriment.


In short, by the time the dust settled, you would get better results for 
less overall cost, just selling the K-3 buying an off the shelf K-1 and 
converting to B in Post than you would converting the K-3. If you 
already have the K-1, I can't think of any advantage you would have by 
removing the Bayer on a K-3 for B


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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Gonz]

I would be just as interesting if not more interesting to me to have
the Bayer filter removed (is that even possible?).  That would make
for a cool B camera.  don't know if the software would support this
kind of image though (in raw).


On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:58 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens I've
> ever used.  I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, already had
> a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof standard range zoom.
>
> In decent light, I'm quite happy to leave it on my camera.  I don't know how
> it compares, other than speed and cost with the 24-70.
>
> Also, when I got my K-1 I had a K-3 and a K-3II which made a nice pair for
> when I wanted to use two bodies.  I held off on selling one, but these days
> only use one of them when I want to mount the 18-250 to have a small wide
> range camera to carry around, I should do something with the K-3.  One
> option, and probably the smart one, would be to sell it. Another option
> would be to have the IR block filter removed.
>
> This is a topic that comes up every now and then, and the list of shops
> doing it seems to change on a year by year basis.  Has anyone had the
> conversion done lately?  Who did it, are you happy with their work and what
> did it cost?
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ... lenses and IR conversion question

[Larry Colen]

I forgot to mention that the 28-105 is arguably the sharpest kit lens 
I've ever used.  I picked it up because I couldn't afford the 24-70, 
already had a tammy 28-75, and didn't have a weather proof standard 
range zoom.


In decent light, I'm quite happy to leave it on my camera.  I don't know 
how it compares, other than speed and cost with the 24-70.


Also, when I got my K-1 I had a K-3 and a K-3II which made a nice pair 
for when I wanted to use two bodies.  I held off on selling one, but 
these days only use one of them when I want to mount the 18-250 to have 
a small wide range camera to carry around, I should do something with 
the K-3.  One option, and probably the smart one, would be to sell it. 
Another option would be to have the IR block filter removed.


This is a topic that comes up every now and then, and the list of shops 
doing it seems to change on a year by year basis.  Has anyone had the 
conversion done lately?  Who did it, are you happy with their work and 
what did it cost?




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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Larry Colen]

TLDR; summary at end

My plan was to go from the K-5 ii to the K-1, but due to a weird 
confluence of events, I ended up with both a K-3 and a K-3ii.


The K-3, K-3 II and the K-1 each have advantages.

In reasonable light, if you don't shoot with wide lenses, the image 
quality differences are subtle, the vast majority of the time you won't 
notice.


Autofocus seems to get a bit better with each successive generation.  My 
big gripe with the K-1 autofocus is that I can't focus on objects out of 
the center of the frame, and I often want to frame my subject in one 
corner or another, or just not leave lots of empty space above someone 
when shooting a portrait.


If you shoot sports, or primarily shoot with long lenses, one of the K-3 
bodies might actually work better for you. In some ways, even at APS 
crop, the K-1 does better than the K-3, but it's still a slower frame 
rate.  When shooting action, the frame rate of the K-3 bodies is 
amazing, at least by Pentax standards.


Some of the disadvantages of the smaller sensor would be mitigated by 
being able to use some of the APS only lenses like the sigma 18-35 1.8. 
It would be interesting to compare the K-3 with 18-35/1.8 with the K-1 
and the 24-70 2.8.


There are a lot of advantages to having a pop-up flash, mostly being 
able to ad a bit of fill without having to lug around a a speedlight. 
The big advantage of the internal GPS, to me, is if you are using more 
than one body, the internal clocks are synched to each other, which 
makes it easier to put shots in chronological order.


Despite the DxO numbers, in real world the K-3 actually performs as well 
in low light as the K-5, you might get more noise per pixel, but you've 
got more pixels to average over.


The K-1 is noticeably bigger, has noticeably shorter battery life, takes 
noticeably larger raw files, and fills the buffer way too quickly if you 
are shooting action in situations where you have to take photos when 
something interesting *might* happen because if you wait to see if 
something interesting did happen, it already happened and you missed it. 
Of course, if you don't mind photos of something interesting that just 
happened rather than something interesting about to happen, or at the 
instant of it happening, this is less of a problem.


In general, autofocus on the K-1 is much better, largely because with 
more focus points each with a smaller area it's much less likely to 
focus on the wrong thing (the microphone instead of the singer. I have 
got an amazing collection of beautiful photos of microphones with 
singers in the background).


Low light and high ISO performance of the K-1 is quite a bit better than 
previous generations.


Live view on the K-1 is a huge step up from the K-3, especially with the 
electronic shutter firmware upgrade. Combine that with the flip out 
screen and it is very handy in a lot of situations.


Perhaps the biggest advantage of the K-1 is shifting the angle of view 
of a lot of the glass back up by a factor of 1.5 times.  My 50/1.4 was 
always an awkward length on APS, but it works well on full frame, and it 
is really nice to have an f/1.4 standard.  Granted I could have gotten a 
Sigma 35/1.4, but haven't yet.  The Samyang 24/1.4 on the K-1 is awesome 
for astro landscapes. The 15-30/2.8 is a beast to carry around, but it's 
a great fast wide lens.


Some of the APS lenses work surprisingly well at FF. The DA 35 macro 
vignettes a bit when used at "normal" distances, but not much at macro, 
in any case it is easily corrected, either in lightroom or by cropping. 
 The DA 55/1.4 vignettes a bit, I'd go with the FA 50/1.4 unless you're 
in the rain. The DA55-300 works surprisingly well at the wide and long 
ends, but it does weird cropping between about 100-200mm.


There are aspects of the new UI I dislike, and others I prefer.

After releasing a body with more performance, more features and more to 
learn than ever before, they cheaped out on the user manual, it is half 
the size of the K-5, glosses over all of the details of the features and 
would barely be sufficient as a manual on a point and shoot aimed at 
someone who had never used a camera before.


In summary:
Other than potentially used prices, not a lot of advantage of the K-5 
family.


If pop-up flash is critical go for the K-3.

If shutter rate, size, effective buffer size, or cost is critical, get a 
used K-3 II.


In pretty much every other regard, the K-1 will significantly out 
perform every other k-mount Pentax DSLR, even when shooting in crop mode.


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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Bruce Walker]

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Stanley Halpin
 wrote:
> [...] if/when I decide to revisit APS-C, I would absolutely definitely choose 
> K-3 over K-3ii.
>
> [...] the K-3ii ditches the pop-up flash
> [...] I have yet to see a reliable add-on I can use to trigger external 
> Pentax flashes.

Inexpensive radio triggers, Stan.

They solve all the annoying problems with the weak line-of-sight
optical triggering system, except HSS (though some radio triggers
claim to handle even that). I remain unconvinced about the real world
usefulness of HSS because it saps flash power like crazy. I just slap
on an ND filter.

I wish they'd spend development budget on focal plane shutters and
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

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Sure, but with some caveats. If you have zero movement in your scene,
then you are golden. If tree branches sway in the wind, water flows,
grasses move, people, etc, there will be some issues. The K-1 has some
software that helps with this when it processes PS files, but the k-3
never was upgraded to reflect that. If you are photoshop savvy you can
easily process the file in silkypix and then extract a single frame
out of the same DNG (it saves each shot individually) and merge the
two in photoshop. You can use the single frame grab to fill in the
areas where movement caused error though you will of course lose the
PS effect in that area. I would have no issues using pixelshift that
way. Its not perfect on the k-1 either at times with moving scenes so
you would likely have to do the same thing with that camera as well
though you would have less to fix I think. Does that make sense?

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Collin B  wrote:
> Zos said ...
>>The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro
>>tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they
>>put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you
>>didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself.
>
> Is pixel shift usable outside of studio shooting?
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

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I had the K-3. I sold it (them) and moved from APS-C to the K-1. But if/when I 
decide to revisit APS-C, I would absolutely definitely choose K-3 over K-3ii. 

Two reasons. I still haven’t become convinced of any real world advantage to 
the pixel-shift gimmick. Second, the K-3ii ditches the pop-up flash and puts a 
GPS in its place. I love the GPS, it is something I asked for when on this 
list, soon after the *ist-D came out, we did a group discussion off what would 
we love to have now that our cameras are digital. But the add-on GPS thingie 
worked just fine. And the pop-up flash on the K-3 and earlier was very useful 
for occasional fill flash, but even more as a trigger for external flash. I 
have yet to see a reliable add-on I can use to trigger external Pentax flashes. 
So the K-3ii is a no go for me and the lack of a pop-up is my major criticism 
of the K-1.

Stan

> On Jan 9, 2017, at 12:43 PM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> For the purposes of general photography not much.  On the other hand, the K-3 
> is actually selling for more NIB than the K-3II is where it's available*...
> 
> *A phenomenon I've also noted about the K-5 vs later Pentax cameras as well.  
>  I suppose a NIB K-5 would be a nice collectors item, or not, but who would 
> choose it over a K-5II[s] or K-3II for actual photography?
> 
> 
> On 1/9/2017 10:09 AM, Collin B wrote:
>> What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?
>> 
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Zos Xavius]

Whoah. I never noticed that. Interesting. Their DR and noise
performance is 100% identical from what I can tell. Maybe sony revised
that sensor along the way.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 12:46 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> The K-3II either has a different sensor or slightly different sensor
> masking, as it has a slightly higher pixel count.  Not enough to, by itself,
> make a "real world" difference in image quality, but it's not exactly the
> same.  Just very close in pretty much every respect.
>
>
>
> On 1/9/2017 10:49 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:
>>
>> The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro
>> tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they
>> put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you
>> didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Collin B  wrote:
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>>> What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?
>>>
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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[P. J. Alling]

The K-3II either has a different sensor or slightly different sensor 
masking, as it has a slightly higher pixel count.  Not enough to, by 
itself, make a "real world" difference in image quality, but it's not 
exactly the same.  Just very close in pretty much every respect.



On 1/9/2017 10:49 AM, Zos Xavius wrote:

The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro
tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they
put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you
didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself.

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Collin B  wrote:

What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?


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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[P. J. Alling]

For the purposes of general photography not much.  On the other hand, 
the K-3 is actually selling for more NIB than the K-3II is where it's 
available*...


*A phenomenon I've also noted about the K-5 vs later Pentax cameras as 
well.   I suppose a NIB K-5 would be a nice collectors item, or not, but 
who would choose it over a K-5II[s] or K-3II for actual photography?



On 1/9/2017 10:09 AM, Collin B wrote:

What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?





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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Collin B]

Zos said ...
>The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro
>tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they
>put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you
>didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself.

Is pixel shift usable outside of studio shooting?


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Re: If I upgrade from my K5 ...

[Zos Xavius]

The K-3 II has pixel shift, better SR (1 stop better), and the astro
tracer built in. It also lacks a pop up flash since that is where they
put the GPS unit. Otherwise they are 100% the same really. If you
didn't need pixel shift or GPS I would just pass myself.

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> What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?
>
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[Collin B]

What's the advantages of a K3II over a K3?


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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

Thanks, PJ - that's what I'll have to do.  I'd call the lens condition
"Good" (because of the small nick on the front element).  Wish me luck -
haven't attempted to sell anything on EBay in... probably 10 years at least!

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:15 PM, P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I was thinking you'd do a quick price search and then have a good handle
> on making a private sale.  The lens sells used at KEH for $600 to $700 in
> VG to EX maybe $550 in Bargain condition.  I don't expect a retailer to buy
> it for that much but $100 is a low ball offer.Like I said, put it on
> ebay.  It's not as convenient as it used to be but that's where you'll get
> the best price.
>
>
>
> On 1/8/2017 12:28 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>
>> I agree about profit and overhead but still think $100 for the 16-50 was
>> off by a couple hundred...
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:36 John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not
>>>
>>> going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover
>>>
>>> their overhead and still make a profit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the
>>>
>>> original box & all the goodies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>> Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
>>>> low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
>>>> expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and
>>>>
>>> $100
>>>
>>> for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
>>>> very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of
>>>>
>>> $280
>>>
>>> I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!
>>>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell <co...@seeingeye.tv>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
>>>>>> because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I did look at some a while back.
>>>>> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
>>>>> Something like Boz's site?
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[P. J. Alling]

I was thinking you'd do a quick price search and then have a good handle 
on making a private sale.  The lens sells used at KEH for $600 to $700 
in VG to EX maybe $550 in Bargain condition.  I don't expect a retailer 
to buy it for that much but $100 is a low ball offer.Like I said, 
put it on ebay.  It's not as convenient as it used to be but that's 
where you'll get the best price.



On 1/8/2017 12:28 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

I agree about profit and overhead but still think $100 for the 16-50 was
off by a couple hundred...

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:36 John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:


Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.



They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not

going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover

their overhead and still make a profit.



K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the

original box & all the goodies.



On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:


Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and

$100


for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of

$280


I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!
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wrote:


On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
because afterwards everything else seems cheap.

I did look at some a while back.
Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Bruce Walker]

I agree they were really under-valuing that lens.

I just did a quick eBay search and the cheapest da* 16-50 on offer was
$450 US. The rest averaged around $600 and many were much higher than
that.


On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 12:28 PM, Charles Robinson
<charles.robinson...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree about profit and overhead but still think $100 for the 16-50 was
> off by a couple hundred...
>
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:36 John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.
>>
>>
>>
>> They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not
>>
>> going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover
>>
>> their overhead and still make a profit.
>>
>>
>>
>> K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the
>>
>> original box & all the goodies.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>>
>> > Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
>>
>> > low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
>>
>> > expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and
>> $100
>>
>> > for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
>>
>> > very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of
>> $280
>>
>> > I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell <co...@seeingeye.tv>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
>>
>> >>> because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I did look at some a while back.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Something like Boz's site?
>>
>> >>
>>
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[John Francis]

I'm not so sure.

The 16-50 was the first lens that was plagued by the SDM problem,
and so there are an awful lot of posts that complain about it.

I'd think twice about buying another SDM lens from that generation
even though so far (touch wood) my three have shown no problems.


On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 05:28:20PM +, Charles Robinson wrote:
> I agree about profit and overhead but still think $100 for the 16-50 was
> off by a couple hundred...
> 
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:36 John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> > Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.
> >
> >
> >
> > They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not
> >
> > going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover
> >
> > their overhead and still make a profit.
> >
> >
> >
> > K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the
> >
> > original box & all the goodies.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
> >
> > > Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
> >
> > > low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
> >
> > > expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and
> > $100
> >
> > > for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
> >
> > > very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of
> > $280
> >
> > > I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell <co...@seeingeye.tv>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >>> You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
> >
> > >>> because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> I did look at some a while back.
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
> >
> > >>
> >
> > >> Something like Boz's site?
> >
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

I agree about profit and overhead but still think $100 for the 16-50 was
off by a couple hundred...

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 08:36 John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.
>
>
>
> They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not
>
> going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover
>
> their overhead and still make a profit.
>
>
>
> K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the
>
> original box & all the goodies.
>
>
>
> On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>
> > Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
>
> > low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
>
> > expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and
> $100
>
> > for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
>
> > very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of
> $280
>
> > I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!
>
> >
>
> > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell <co...@seeingeye.tv>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >>
>
> >>> You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
>
> >>> because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
>
> >>
>
> >> I did look at some a while back.
>
> >>
>
> >> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
>
> >>
>
> >> Something like Boz's site?
>
> >>
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[P. J. Alling]

Ebay can be your friend.  That's what they'll do and get quite the nice 
profit with those offers.



On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and $100
for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of $280
I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell <co...@seeingeye.tv> wrote:


On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:


You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
because afterwards everything else seems cheap.

I did look at some a while back.

Is there a good web site listing all available/made?

Something like Boz's site?

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[John]

Not surprising. Your expectation is based on what you paid for it new.

They're thinking about how much they can sell it for, and they're not
going to offer more than half that (or less), because they have to cover
their overhead and still make a profit.

K5 with a kit lens *might* bring in $450 on eBay ... if you have the
original box & all the goodies.

On 1/7/2017 6:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and $100
for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of $280
I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell <co...@seeingeye.tv> wrote:


On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:


You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
because afterwards everything else seems cheap.


I did look at some a while back.

Is there a good web site listing all available/made?

Something like Boz's site?

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Jan 7, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 19:00, Steve Cottrell 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>> 
>>> You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
>>> because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
>>> 
>> I did look at some a while back.
>> 
>> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
>> 
>> Something like Boz's site?
>> 
> This is fairly comprehensive. Scroll down for the Leica M lenses. On the far 
> right you can read an article about each lens, or look at a product sheet.
> 
> http://www.overgaard.dk/leica_lens_compendium.html

This one has a bit more data and is possibly a little easier to find stuff on: 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Main_Page

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Bob W-PDML]

On 7 Jan 2017, at 19:00, Steve Cottrell 
> wrote:

On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
because afterwards everything else seems cheap.

I did look at some a while back.

Is there a good web site listing all available/made?

Something like Boz's site?

This is fairly comprehensive. Scroll down for the Leica M lenses. On the far 
right you can read an article about each lens, or look at a product sheet.

http://www.overgaard.dk/leica_lens_compendium.html


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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Larry Colen]

Bill wrote:

On 1/7/2017 5:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Holy cow. Just got back from the local photo shoppe. I was expecting a
low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up. I was NOT
expecting a lowball on the 16-50. They offered $180 for the body and $100
for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
very tiny nick on the front of the lens. For a full package offer of $280
I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move. Sheesh!




Don't feel badly. I decided to sell my Fuji kit. Now that I have the
K-1, I can't see myself using the stuff much.
The X-Pro1, X-T1, 14mm, 23mm, 35mm, 56mm and 60mm sat for a month, and
all I got was insultingly low ball offers, so I had them box the stuff
up and I brought it home. I'd rather have it sit on the shelf unused.


Maybe you should trade your old fuji kit for his old pentax kit.






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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Bill]

On 1/7/2017 5:16 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and $100
for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of $280
I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!




Don't feel badly. I decided to sell my Fuji kit. Now that I have the 
K-1, I can't see myself using the stuff much.
The X-Pro1, X-T1, 14mm, 23mm, 35mm, 56mm and 60mm sat for a month, and 
all I got was insultingly low ball offers, so I had them box the stuff 
up and I brought it home. I'd rather have it sit on the shelf unused.



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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

Holy cow.  Just got back from the local photo shoppe.  I was expecting a
low quote for the K5 because the bottom is all scuffed up.  I was NOT
expecting a lowball on the 16-50.  They offered $180 for the body and $100
for the lens - due to the "low resale value of Pentax these days" and a
very tiny nick on the front of the lens.   For a full package offer of $280
I'm just going to keep 'em and figure out my next move.  Sheesh!

On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Steve Cottrell <co...@seeingeye.tv> wrote:

> On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
> >because afterwards everything else seems cheap.
>
> I did look at some a while back.
>
> Is there a good web site listing all available/made?
>
> Something like Boz's site?
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/1/17, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment
>because afterwards everything else seems cheap.

I did look at some a while back.

Is there a good web site listing all available/made?

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> 
>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> I'd love to get some more Voigtlander lenses but my god they are pricey.

You should buy yourself a Leitz lens. It's a very good investment because 
afterwards everything else seems cheap.

>> 
>> The 10.5mm f/0.95 looks amazing:
>> 
>> > review-for-micro-43/>
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Christine Aguila]

Wow, that’s a great kit you describe below.  Yes, even the video markets it as 
a great street camera—much less intimidating—or maybe just more discreet—than 
the all black DSLR.

Sure wish I had some extra money, but can’t afford to buy right now, got to 
save—the bloody Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Cheers, Christine


> On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:45 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 7/1/17, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> That Pen-F is a beautiful camera!  Cotty, just out of interest, have you
>> used any of the Creative Features explained in the videos at the bottom
>> of this page?  I believe it's the last video.
> 
> Hi Christine,
> 
> Yes had a play around one day and some of the filters (software filters
> that is) are a bit garish - great fun when drinking wine at a party ;-)
> 
> But TBH they are not my cuppa tea.
> 
> I only shoot jpegs, so the camera suits my style completely (although it
> is very competent in raw). With a turn of the knob on the front I can go
> from shooting mono to colour in an instant. I like that because when I
> shoot in B and W I like to think in B and W! I hate shooting everything
> in colour and then deciding later if it works in mono instead/as well.
> 
> Accordingly, there are 4 'custom set' settings on the main dial on the
> top plate. I keep these as ISO settings exclusively, so I know that C1
> is ISO 200, C2 is ISO 400, C3 is ISO 800 and C4 is ISO 3200 (don't
> forget, I'm shooting with manual focus, manual aperture lenses all the time).
> 
> There are several more little dials and buttons that I have nothing
> assigned to. I like it simple and sweet, concentrate on the pics!
> 
> I'd love to get some more Voigtlander lenses but my god they are pricey.
> 
> The 10.5mm f/0.95 looks amazing:
> 
>  review-for-micro-43/>
> 
> but for now I stick with:
> 
> Samyang 12/2
> Voigtlander 15/4.5
> Pentax 24/2.8
> Pentax 50/1.4
> Tokina 90/2.5 macro
> 
> For one cam/lens combo out walking I take either the 12/2 or the 15/4.5
> depending on lighting conditions. On a bright day the 15mm is lovely to
> use and so small - very lightweight. The Samyang is quite big, but my
> God, talk about 'f/8 and be there' - set a decent ISO, zone focus, click
> on f/8 and it's a great streetgrabber. Forces you to get in amongst the
> action, which I love. I have zooming legs ;-)
> 
> If I take it all out in the bag, it all fits in a Paul Marius 'Le Petit
> Reporter' along with my Fujifilm X20 which is great to use (despite
> having ugh has a zoom!) with a couple of spare batteries each as well.
> Also a beautiful little flash unit that comes with the Oly - operates of
> the camera battery and rotates and swivels for bounce flash as well.
> Hardly ever use it though.
> 
> Features I love - pull out and swivel/rotate rear LCD that can be close
> facing inwards, so no chimping! Beautiful ergonomics even in my big
> hands. Does good HD video (I use it professionally for steadicam-type
> shots on a 3-axis gimbal device). And looks to die for. If Leica made a
> camera this small with these features, I would probably have one.
> 
> Cheers XX
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Bob W-PDML wrote:

>Whenever you see something labelled 'creative' or 'pro', you can be sure it 
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On 7/1/17, Steve Cottrell, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Features I love - pull out and swivel/rotate rear LCD that can be close
>facing inwards, so no chimping! Beautiful ergonomics even in my big
>hands. Does good HD video (I use it professionally for steadicam-type
>shots on a 3-axis gimbal device). And looks to die for. If Leica made a
>camera this small with these features, I would probably have one.

Oh yes - I love that I can connect up my iPad Mini (which comes with me
in the bag) on wifi and transfer images for assessment/dicking about
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Steve Cottrell]

On 7/1/17, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

>That Pen-F is a beautiful camera!  Cotty, just out of interest, have you
>used any of the Creative Features explained in the videos at the bottom
>of this page?  I believe it's the last video.

Hi Christine,

Yes had a play around one day and some of the filters (software filters
that is) are a bit garish - great fun when drinking wine at a party ;-)

But TBH they are not my cuppa tea.

I only shoot jpegs, so the camera suits my style completely (although it
is very competent in raw). With a turn of the knob on the front I can go
from shooting mono to colour in an instant. I like that because when I
shoot in B and W I like to think in B and W! I hate shooting everything
in colour and then deciding later if it works in mono instead/as well.

Accordingly, there are 4 'custom set' settings on the main dial on the
top plate. I keep these as ISO settings exclusively, so I know that C1
is ISO 200, C2 is ISO 400, C3 is ISO 800 and C4 is ISO 3200 (don't
forget, I'm shooting with manual focus, manual aperture lenses all the time).

There are several more little dials and buttons that I have nothing
assigned to. I like it simple and sweet, concentrate on the pics!

I'd love to get some more Voigtlander lenses but my god they are pricey.

The 10.5mm f/0.95 looks amazing:



but for now I stick with:

Samyang 12/2
Voigtlander 15/4.5
Pentax 24/2.8
Pentax 50/1.4
Tokina 90/2.5 macro

For one cam/lens combo out walking I take either the 12/2 or the 15/4.5
depending on lighting conditions. On a bright day the 15mm is lovely to
use and so small - very lightweight. The Samyang is quite big, but my
God, talk about 'f/8 and be there' - set a decent ISO, zone focus, click
on f/8 and it's a great streetgrabber. Forces you to get in amongst the
action, which I love. I have zooming legs ;-)

If I take it all out in the bag, it all fits in a Paul Marius 'Le Petit
Reporter' along with my Fujifilm X20 which is great to use (despite
having ugh has a zoom!) with a couple of spare batteries each as well.
Also a beautiful little flash unit that comes with the Oly - operates of
the camera battery and rotates and swivels for bounce flash as well.
Hardly ever use it though.

Features I love - pull out and swivel/rotate rear LCD that can be close
facing inwards, so no chimping! Beautiful ergonomics even in my big
hands. Does good HD video (I use it professionally for steadicam-type
shots on a 3-axis gimbal device). And looks to die for. If Leica made a
camera this small with these features, I would probably have one.

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Whenever you see something labelled 'creative' or 'pro', you can be sure it 
isn't.

B

> On 7 Jan 2017, at 16:18, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
> That Pen-F is a beautiful camera!  Cotty, just out of interest, have you used 
> any of the Creative Features explained in the videos at the bottom of this 
> page?  I believe it’s the last video.
> 
> http://www.getolympus.com/us/en/digitalcameras/pen/pen-f.html 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers, Christine
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>> 
>> On 6/1/17, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> 
>>> I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
>>> OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
>>> years, actually.
>> 
>> Hi Charles.
>> 
>> Been using a Pen-F for a while, you might like to glance at this page ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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That Pen-F is a beautiful camera!  Cotty, just out of interest, have you used 
any of the Creative Features explained in the videos at the bottom of this 
page?  I believe it’s the last video.

http://www.getolympus.com/us/en/digitalcameras/pen/pen-f.html 



Cheers, Christine



> On Jan 6, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 6/1/17, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
>> OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
>> years, actually.
> 
> Hi Charles.
> 
> Been using a Pen-F for a while, you might like to glance at this page ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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On 6/1/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>By not even having an EVF and just using the large display on the back, 
>they forced people to keep it at arms length, both physically and 
>metaphorically. They were trying to appeal to people that used phones as 
>their cameras, without realizing that those people were not interested 
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On 6/1/17, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I should do beauty shots of the SL with R lenses, eh?

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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On 6/1/17, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>My biggest problem with adapting the old K and A lenses is that my eyes are
>starting to SUCK - I'll dial the focus in, think I've got it, hit the
>shutter... and later I'll see that I was MILES from being in focus.  Even
>using the focus peaking.  Old man... (sigh)

I share your pain.

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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On 6 Jan 2017, at 23:38, Bill <anotherdrunken...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/6/2017 2:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Charles Robinson wrote:
>>> Yeah, I think I got it about a zillion years ago for something under
>>> $700.
>>> The K5 has been "well loved" and would probably be listed by KEH as
>>> "fair"
>>> or maybe even "BGN" (or even UGLY - don't know!).  The 16-50 is as
>>> good as
>>> it ever was, though, so I'll poke around a bit and see - perhaps starting
>>> with the local shoppe is a good start, saving all the hassle of shipping
>>> and whatnot.
>>> 
>>> In other news - I've missed this list!   Perhaps I'll stick around a bit.
>>>  :-)
>> 
>> It might say Olympus on your camera certificate, but do stick around
>> there are several other people here shooting other brands that still
>> identify as Pentaxians. Unless the North Carolina legislature figures
>> out a way to legislate access to this list, you're most welcome here.
>> 
> 
> Larry is, of course, not speaking for Walkden.
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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On Sat, Jan 7, 2017, at 01:33 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Brian Walters wrote:
> 
> >I'm hanging on to my Pentax gear waiting for the mythical and
> >competitive Pentax mirrorless to appear (much as I liked the idea of the
> >K-01, it wasn't what I wanted).
> 
> Tha K-01 can be had really cheap on eBay these days. You might want to
> try one out. I thought I'd hate it and I've come to like it a lot.


I have been keeping a look out on Ebay.  I thought it might be fun to
pick up one for casual use but they don't come up often here and the
exchange rate & postage makes buying from the US more than I'm
comfortable with.  Without a viewfinder, I can't see me using one
regularly and I'm not sold on the concept of retaining the K mount
register distance.

For the moment, I'm keeping my foot in the door of Pentax mirrorless
with the Q.


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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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Brian Walters wrote:

>I'm hanging on to my Pentax gear waiting for the mythical and
>competitive Pentax mirrorless to appear (much as I liked the idea of the
>K-01, it wasn't what I wanted).

Tha K-01 can be had really cheap on eBay these days. You might want to
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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On 2017-01-06 8:30 , Charles Robinson wrote:

Howdy, folks!  I used to be on this list and things got busy/weird and I
left about a year or two ago...

I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
years, actually.


interesting Charles — i'm in almost exactly the same position — K-5 and a 
nice set of lenses (100 WR macro, 15/4, 35/2.8 macro …) idle for months; 
having a hard time deciding to completely let go…


i've been using an E-M1 with three main lenses - Panasonic 20/1.7, Olympus 
50/2.0 macro and Pentax-M 100/4 macro; that last keeps my foot in the door 
here — a fun lens at 200mm equivalent and with focus-peaking


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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

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P. J. Alling wrote:

Sadly, the K-01 wasn't really what anyone wanted. Sales outside Japan
were disappointing, and I at least thought that no one would ever
attempt a mirrorless camera that natively supported DSLR lenses again.


By not even having an EVF and just using the large display on the back, 
they forced people to keep it at arms length, both physically and 
metaphorically. They were trying to appeal to people that used phones as 
their cameras, without realizing that those people were not interested 
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Sadly, the K-01 wasn't really what anyone wanted.  Sales outside Japan 
were disappointing, and I at least thought that no one would ever 
attempt a mirrorless camera that natively supported DSLR lenses again.


Then came the Sigma mirrorless sd Quatro cameras, and the concept though 
wounded still appeared to be limping along.  The reviews of the Sigma 
cameras however make it clear the Sigma didn't so much save the concept 
but deliver the coup de grâce.


There's noting wrong with the concept, the execution however of it has 
failed.  Marketers being marketers won't be able to tell the difference 
between failure of concept and failure of execution.



On 1/6/2017 4:02 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day Charles

Nice to hear from you again.

By all means hang around - you wouldn't be the only one shooting other
brands.  I've gone down the OMD route too (just bought an E-M5ii to add
to my E-M10) but I still like to drag out the K-5 from time to time.
It's still a great camera - these days, just a bit too heavy to lug it
and a few lenses around like I used to...

I'm hanging on to my Pentax gear waiting for the mythical and
competitive Pentax mirrorless to appear (much as I liked the idea of the
K-01, it wasn't what I wanted).



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On Sat, Jan 7, 2017, at 02:30 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Howdy, folks!  I used to be on this list and things got busy/weird and I
left about a year or two ago...

I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
years, actually.

It pains me to watch my K5 and lenses just rot in a bag - is there *any*
resale value on an original, "well-loved" K-5 body?  And what's the
current
state of opinion on the 16-50?  (But if each are only a couple hundred,
I'll probably just tuck the big ol' bag of gear into a cabinet and let
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[John]

On 1/6/2017 3:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Charles Robinson wrote:

Yeah, I think I got it about a zillion years ago for something under
$700.
The K5 has been "well loved" and would probably be listed by KEH as
"fair"
or maybe even "BGN" (or even UGLY - don't know!).  The 16-50 is as
good as
it ever was, though, so I'll poke around a bit and see - perhaps starting
with the local shoppe is a good start, saving all the hassle of shipping
and whatnot.

In other news - I've missed this list!   Perhaps I'll stick around a bit.
  :-)


It might say Olympus on your camera certificate, but do stick around
there are several other people here shooting other brands that still
identify as Pentaxians. Unless the North Carolina legislature figures
out a way to legislate access to this list, you're most welcome here.



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[Bill]

On 1/6/2017 2:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Charles Robinson wrote:

Yeah, I think I got it about a zillion years ago for something under
$700.
The K5 has been "well loved" and would probably be listed by KEH as
"fair"
or maybe even "BGN" (or even UGLY - don't know!).  The 16-50 is as
good as
it ever was, though, so I'll poke around a bit and see - perhaps starting
with the local shoppe is a good start, saving all the hassle of shipping
and whatnot.

In other news - I've missed this list!   Perhaps I'll stick around a bit.
  :-)


It might say Olympus on your camera certificate, but do stick around
there are several other people here shooting other brands that still
identify as Pentaxians. Unless the North Carolina legislature figures
out a way to legislate access to this list, you're most welcome here.



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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Bill]

On 1/6/2017 1:59 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:

I do have a couple of adapters - still working out which lenses work well
with the OM-D and which do not.  I'm jealous of that 85mm f1.4!




You don't want to click this link.

http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrphoto/addons/xt-1pron1.html

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Brian Walters]

G'day Charles

Nice to hear from you again.

By all means hang around - you wouldn't be the only one shooting other
brands.  I've gone down the OMD route too (just bought an E-M5ii to add
to my E-M10) but I still like to drag out the K-5 from time to time. 
It's still a great camera - these days, just a bit too heavy to lug it
and a few lenses around like I used to...

I'm hanging on to my Pentax gear waiting for the mythical and
competitive Pentax mirrorless to appear (much as I liked the idea of the
K-01, it wasn't what I wanted).



Cheers

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On Sat, Jan 7, 2017, at 02:30 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
> Howdy, folks!  I used to be on this list and things got busy/weird and I
> left about a year or two ago...
> 
> I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
> OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
> years, actually.
> 
> It pains me to watch my K5 and lenses just rot in a bag - is there *any*
> resale value on an original, "well-loved" K-5 body?  And what's the
> current
> state of opinion on the 16-50?  (But if each are only a couple hundred,
> I'll probably just tuck the big ol' bag of gear into a cabinet and let
> 'em
> sit there...)
> 
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Larry Colen]

Charles Robinson wrote:

Yeah, I think I got it about a zillion years ago for something under $700.
The K5 has been "well loved" and would probably be listed by KEH as "fair"
or maybe even "BGN" (or even UGLY - don't know!).  The 16-50 is as good as
it ever was, though, so I'll poke around a bit and see - perhaps starting
with the local shoppe is a good start, saving all the hassle of shipping
and whatnot.

In other news - I've missed this list!   Perhaps I'll stick around a bit.
  :-)


It might say Olympus on your camera certificate, but do stick around 
there are several other people here shooting other brands that still 
identify as Pentaxians. Unless the North Carolina legislature figures 
out a way to legislate access to this list, you're most welcome here.


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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:48 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 6/1/17, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
>> OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
>> years, actually.
> 
> Hi Charles.
> Been using a Pen-F for a while, you might like to glance at this page ;-)
> 
> 

Ah, lens porn... ! :-)
I should do beauty shots of the SL with R lenses, eh?

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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

I do have a couple of adapters - still working out which lenses work well
with the OM-D and which do not.  I'm jealous of that 85mm f1.4!

My biggest problem with adapting the old K and A lenses is that my eyes are
starting to SUCK - I'll dial the focus in, think I've got it, hit the
shutter... and later I'll see that I was MILES from being in focus.  Even
using the focus peaking.  Old man... (sigh)

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> On 6/1/17, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
> >OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
> >years, actually.
>
> Hi Charles.
>
> Been using a Pen-F for a while, you might like to glance at this page ;-)
>
>
> 
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Steve Cottrell]

On 6/1/17, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
>OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
>years, actually.

Hi Charles.

Been using a Pen-F for a while, you might like to glance at this page ;-)




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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

Yeah, I think I got it about a zillion years ago for something under $700.
The K5 has been "well loved" and would probably be listed by KEH as "fair"
or maybe even "BGN" (or even UGLY - don't know!).  The 16-50 is as good as
it ever was, though, so I'll poke around a bit and see - perhaps starting
with the local shoppe is a good start, saving all the hassle of shipping
and whatnot.

In other news - I've missed this list!   Perhaps I'll stick around a bit.
 :-)

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 10:40 AM, P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I just checked KEH.com and they have a plain old K-5 in stock for a bit
> over $300.  The 16-50 isn't listed but they're still manufactured and KEH
> generally sells them for about 10-20% less than retail new for EX
> condition.   So if you bought it before the recent price increase you can
> probably get almost what you paid for it.I've been told by the local
> camera shop that they price their used gear based on KEH's prices.
>
>
> On 1/6/2017 10:30 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
>
>> Howdy, folks!  I used to be on this list and things got busy/weird and I
>> left about a year or two ago...
>>
>> I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
>> OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
>> years, actually.
>>
>> It pains me to watch my K5 and lenses just rot in a bag - is there *any*
>> resale value on an original, "well-loved" K-5 body?  And what's the
>> current
>> state of opinion on the 16-50?  (But if each are only a couple hundred,
>> I'll probably just tuck the big ol' bag of gear into a cabinet and let 'em
>> sit there...)
>>
>>
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Re: Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[P. J. Alling]

I just checked KEH.com and they have a plain old K-5 in stock for a bit 
over $300.  The 16-50 isn't listed but they're still manufactured and 
KEH generally sells them for about 10-20% less than retail new for EX 
condition.   So if you bought it before the recent price increase you 
can probably get almost what you paid for it.I've been told by the 
local camera shop that they price their used gear based on KEH's prices.



On 1/6/2017 10:30 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

Howdy, folks!  I used to be on this list and things got busy/weird and I
left about a year or two ago...

I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
years, actually.

It pains me to watch my K5 and lenses just rot in a bag - is there *any*
resale value on an original, "well-loved" K-5 body?  And what's the current
state of opinion on the 16-50?  (But if each are only a couple hundred,
I'll probably just tuck the big ol' bag of gear into a cabinet and let 'em
sit there...)




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Long time no see, and ramping up for an FS Friday (K5 and 16-50 for starters)

[Charles Robinson]

Howdy, folks!  I used to be on this list and things got busy/weird and I
left about a year or two ago...

I came to the realization a while ago that since getting into the Olympus
OM-D line, I've not used my Pentax gear for ages - almost a couple of
years, actually.

It pains me to watch my K5 and lenses just rot in a bag - is there *any*
resale value on an original, "well-loved" K-5 body?  And what's the current
state of opinion on the 16-50?  (But if each are only a couple hundred,
I'll probably just tuck the big ol' bag of gear into a cabinet and let 'em
sit there...)

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Re: Hyperfocal distance and circle of confusion in metadatafile of Pentax K5 and K1

[Jos from Holland]

I agree with you fully.
But still it is fun for me, thinking of possibilities to make the 
focusing process more intelligent, meaning faster and more accurate, but 
not more accurate than needed.
If the system knows  the depth of field, it can take the allowable error 
into account and optimize speed with that information.


I did not check all my lenses. But I checked an old and a new Sigma 
lens. Both lenses have a lens ID in the metadata that is used by several 
different lenses with totally different minimum focus distances. So it 
must be another lens code informing the camera about the minimum focus 
distance. If that is true, than LR gets more information to show the 
correct lens name, and not: Lens1 or lens2 or lens3 as it does now 
sometimes.


And why is the camera spending time in calculating the hyperfocal 
distance? Is it using that? And why is it passing that information to us 
in the metadata file? And also the circle of diffusion it used in the 
calculation? Who will use that info down the line?
I realize that if I get information, I start to think about it. And if I 
donot see the logic, I think harder .


Greetz, Jos



On 18-Jul-16 06:15, P.J. Alling wrote:
I don't think the camera knows the minimum focus distance on any lens 
that doesn't have that data on it's chip.  So it's only available for 
some F series lenses and later.  It might also be available from the A 
lenses supplied with the MZ/ZX-M I think there were two lenses that 
were pretty much the same as their FA counterparts, a 35-80 and a 
80-200mm, which might be pretty rare as the FA versions were pretty 
inexpensive to begin with.


I really don't think that the autofocus system is smart enough nor are 
the lenses standardized enough for the system to interpolate anything 
about focus throw.


The AF system misses the focus point and simply tries again, running 
through the entire range of the lens.  If after a certain amount of 
effort, which seems to be random, but probably isn't, it simply gives 
up.  The K-5II gives up a lot less often, and gets the right focus 
more often, than earlier cameras but it still gives up eventually.


On 7/17/2016 12:46 PM, Jos from Holland wrote:
The metadata also shows the minimum focus distance. How can the 
camera know, even when it does not know which lens is mounted?


Only the lens can tell the minimum focus distance.

But if the camera knows the minimum and maximum focus distance, than 
it could estimate the focus distance!


Is that why it hunts now and than: to throw the AF between minimum 
and maximum focus distance and interpolate values in between?:-)




Greetz, Jos

On 17-Jul-16 18:11, Larry Colen wrote:



Jos from Holland wrote:

Going through the metadata of K5 and K1 files I observed that the
hyper-focal distance is available, based on the applied aperture and
focal length.

Wouldn't it be nice if this info was visible on camera for manual
adjustment, or even better an select-able auto focus mode with
hyper-focal priority?


I wish the lens mounts would return focus distance to the camera body.

If they can engrave it on the lens, then they can know it 
electronically.




Also the circle of confusion is given: 0.02mm for K5 and 0.03mm for 
K1.

Considering the a full frame camera will / can be used for larger
prints, I would prefer to keep the circle at 0.02mm for K1 as well. Or
better: user selection of he circle size resulting in corresponding
hyper focal distance.
Greetz, Jos














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Re: Hyperfocal distance and circle of confusion in metadatafile of Pentax K5 and K1

[P.J. Alling]

I don't think the camera knows the minimum focus distance on any lens 
that doesn't have that data on it's chip.  So it's only available for 
some F series lenses and later.  It might also be available from the A 
lenses supplied with the MZ/ZX-M I think there were two lenses that were 
pretty much the same as their FA counterparts, a 35-80 and a 80-200mm, 
which might be pretty rare as the FA versions were pretty inexpensive to 
begin with.


I really don't think that the autofocus system is smart enough nor are 
the lenses standardized enough for the system to interpolate anything 
about focus throw.


The AF system misses the focus point and simply tries again, running 
through the entire range of the lens.  If after a certain amount of 
effort, which seems to be random, but probably isn't, it simply gives 
up.  The K-5II gives up a lot less often, and gets the right focus more 
often, than earlier cameras but it still gives up eventually.


On 7/17/2016 12:46 PM, Jos from Holland wrote:
The metadata also shows the minimum focus distance. How can the camera 
know, even when it does not know which lens is mounted?


Only the lens can tell the minimum focus distance.

But if the camera knows the minimum and maximum focus distance, than 
it could estimate the focus distance!


Is that why it hunts now and than: to throw the AF between minimum and 
maximum focus distance and interpolate values in between?:-)




Greetz, Jos

On 17-Jul-16 18:11, Larry Colen wrote:



Jos from Holland wrote:

Going through the metadata of K5 and K1 files I observed that the
hyper-focal distance is available, based on the applied aperture and
focal length.

Wouldn't it be nice if this info was visible on camera for manual
adjustment, or even better an select-able auto focus mode with
hyper-focal priority?


I wish the lens mounts would return focus distance to the camera body.

If they can engrave it on the lens, then they can know it 
electronically.




Also the circle of confusion is given: 0.02mm for K5 and 0.03mm for K1.
Considering the a full frame camera will / can be used for larger
prints, I would prefer to keep the circle at 0.02mm for K1 as well. Or
better: user selection of he circle size resulting in corresponding
hyper focal distance.
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Re: Hyperfocal distance and circle of confusion in metadatafile of Pentax K5 and K1

[Jos from Holland]

The metadata also shows the minimum focus distance. How can the camera 
know, even when it does not know which lens is mounted?


Only the lens can tell the minimum focus distance.

But if the camera knows the minimum and maximum focus distance, than it 
could estimate the focus distance!


Is that why it hunts now and than: to throw the AF between minimum and 
maximum focus distance and interpolate values in between?:-)




Greetz, Jos

On 17-Jul-16 18:11, Larry Colen wrote:



Jos from Holland wrote:

Going through the metadata of K5 and K1 files I observed that the
hyper-focal distance is available, based on the applied aperture and
focal length.

Wouldn't it be nice if this info was visible on camera for manual
adjustment, or even better an select-able auto focus mode with
hyper-focal priority?


I wish the lens mounts would return focus distance to the camera body.

If they can engrave it on the lens, then they can know it electronically.



Also the circle of confusion is given: 0.02mm for K5 and 0.03mm for K1.
Considering the a full frame camera will / can be used for larger
prints, I would prefer to keep the circle at 0.02mm for K1 as well. Or
better: user selection of he circle size resulting in corresponding
hyper focal distance.
Greetz, Jos








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Re: Hyperfocal distance and circle of confusion in metadatafile of Pentax K5 and K1

[Bill]

On 7/17/2016 10:11 AM, Larry Colen wrote:



Jos from Holland wrote:

Going through the metadata of K5 and K1 files I observed that the
hyper-focal distance is available, based on the applied aperture and
focal length.

Wouldn't it be nice if this info was visible on camera for manual
adjustment, or even better an select-able auto focus mode with
hyper-focal priority?


I wish the lens mounts would return focus distance to the camera body.

If they can engrave it on the lens, then they can know it electronically.


You want more that can go wrong?





Also the circle of confusion is given: 0.02mm for K5 and 0.03mm for K1.
Considering the a full frame camera will / can be used for larger
prints, I would prefer to keep the circle at 0.02mm for K1 as well. Or
better: user selection of he circle size resulting in corresponding
hyper focal distance.
Greetz, Jos







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Re: Hyperfocal distance and circle of confusion in metadatafile of Pentax K5 and K1

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

PDAF systems in particular MUST know absolute lens focus setting in order for 
the AF systems to work. Without it, there's no way to calibrate the system.

G

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 9:11 AM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> I wish the lens mounts would return focus distance to the camera body.
> If they can engrave it on the lens, then they can know it electronically.

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Re: Hyperfocal distance and circle of confusion in metadatafile of Pentax K5 and K1

[Larry Colen]

Jos from Holland wrote:

Going through the metadata of K5 and K1 files I observed that the
hyper-focal distance is available, based on the applied aperture and
focal length.

Wouldn't it be nice if this info was visible on camera for manual
adjustment, or even better an select-able auto focus mode with
hyper-focal priority?


I wish the lens mounts would return focus distance to the camera body.

If they can engrave it on the lens, then they can know it electronically.



Also the circle of confusion is given: 0.02mm for K5 and 0.03mm for K1.
Considering the a full frame camera will / can be used for larger
prints, I would prefer to keep the circle at 0.02mm for K1 as well. Or
better: user selection of he circle size resulting in corresponding
hyper focal distance.
Greetz, Jos




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Hyperfocal distance and circle of confusion in metadatafile of Pentax K5 and K1

[Jos from Holland]

Going through the metadata of K5 and K1 files I observed that the 
hyper-focal distance is available, based on the applied aperture and 
focal length.


Wouldn't it be nice if this info was visible on camera for manual 
adjustment, or even better an select-able auto focus mode with 
hyper-focal priority?


Also the circle of confusion is given: 0.02mm for K5 and 0.03mm for K1. 
Considering the a full frame camera will / can be used for larger 
prints, I  would prefer to keep the circle at 0.02mm for K1 as well. Or 
better: user selection of he circle size resulting in corresponding 
hyper focal distance.

Greetz, Jos


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Re: K5 SD door broken

[Eric Featherstone]

On 12 May 2015 at 16:19, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 Other than that: I had a great time in China!  I was looking for pictures to 
 share in a PESO kind of way and realized that there's nothing that really 
 stands out - they're all just snapshots from a whirlwind trip into and out of 
 Southwestern Yunnan province.  If you're into looking at other people's 
 vacation shots, I'll provide a link to the gallery for your enjoyment, but I 
 don't think anything really stands out:

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/content/IMG_7236_large.html
Re: upper left corner
猫哆哩 (pinyin: Māo duō lī) seems to be company name/logo, which they
also write as Mouthdoleak for some reason.
http://www.maoduoli.cc/

酸甜味 (suān tián wèi) is as you say sweet and sour flavour (literally;
sour sweet flavour)
堵嘴 (dǔ zuǐ) yeah I can't improve on gag ;-) (literally: [to stop up
/ stifle]  [mouth/nozzle/spout])
食品 (shípǐn) is food/foodstuff/food product


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Re: K5 SD door broken

[Charles Robinson]

 On May 12, 2015, at 12:12 , P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's pretty much how I used the K20D after it's first year, the hook/latch 
 that holds the door closed snapped off, which of course is where the 
 interlock that turns off the camera when the SD door is open, is located.  
 When I recovered the hook I placed it back in the latch and held it in place 
 with a bit of gaffers tape, I find that black electrical taps tends to hold 
 the door closed better than the gaffers tape, over time.
 
 I expect that repair is more expensive than simply buying a used copy with 
 out the problem you want fixed, for a camera that's more than one generation 
 old at this point.
 

I suspect that a little super glue might be judiciously applied at some point. 
That'll be that, unless someone has a better suggestion. 

I'm certainly not going to execute any solution which would require any 
disassembly of anything more than just the hinge/door assembly!  

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Re: K5 SD door broken

[P.J. Alling]

That's pretty much how I used the K20D after it's first year, the 
hook/latch that holds the door closed snapped off, which of course is 
where the interlock that turns off the camera when the SD door is open, 
is located.  When I recovered the hook I placed it back in the latch and 
held it in place with a bit of gaffers tape, I find that black 
electrical taps tends to hold the door closed better than the gaffers 
tape, over time.


I expect that repair is more expensive than simply buying a used copy 
with out the problem you want fixed, for a camera that's more than one 
generation old at this point.


On 5/12/2015 11:19 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

In the middle of my week-long trip to China a couple weeks ago, I pulled my 
camera out of my pack and noticed that the battery door had been pulled open.  
Annoying, but with the way it goes into and out of the Lowepro backpack, that 
happens.

As I went to slide the door back into place, though, I noticed that a chunk of 
it was missing.  I found it later in my camera bag.  Somehow the door had been 
stressed while open, and a part of it snapped off.

Photo here of my half-assed field repair, if you want to see:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/IMG_7199.jpg

It's the right hand side of the door that's broken - there are no rubber 
seals on that part of it, so I think that the camera MIGHT still be weatherproof.   The 
gaffer tape that's on it right now is how I made sure that:
  1. The door stayed in one piece for the rest of the trip
  2. The door stayed SHUT for the rest of the trip

Ideally I'd replace the door, but I don't know how involved or expen$ive a 
process that will be.  Has anyone had to deal with this kind of thing before?  
How'd it go for you?

Other than that: I had a great time in China!  I was looking for pictures to 
share in a PESO kind of way and realized that there's nothing that really 
stands out - they're all just snapshots from a whirlwind trip into and out of 
Southwestern Yunnan province.  If you're into looking at other people's 
vacation shots, I'll provide a link to the gallery for your enjoyment, but I 
don't think anything really stands out:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/


  -Charles

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Re: K5 SD door broken

[Eric Featherstone]

On 12 May 2015 at 16:19, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 Other than that: I had a great time in China!  I was looking for pictures to 
 share in a PESO kind of way and realized that there's nothing that really 
 stands out - they're all just snapshots from a whirlwind trip into and out of 
 Southwestern Yunnan province.  If you're into looking at other people's 
 vacation shots, I'll provide a link to the gallery for your enjoyment, but I 
 don't think anything really stands out:

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/


http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/content/K5__0145_large.html

The characters you were trying to pick out are:
唱响民族团结主族律
　　谱写和谐发展新篇章
google translate, for that's worth https://goo.gl/q2X0UB
You could also try the dictionary at www.nciku.com.


http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/content/IMG_7120_large.html

They seem to like all glass bathrooms over there. A few years back I
stayed in a hotel in Beijing where the shower was almost a centrepiece
of the room, glass on 3 sides. Just a quick snap;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/eric_f/6791977836/

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Re: K5 SD door broken

[Bob Sullivan]

Charles,
Had a problem with the door on my *istD (My dropping it).
Repair was $200+ on the weather sealed door.
Hope they have improved design since then.
Repair had to take apart a large part of the shell to fix it.
I should have just used black duc tape after the super glue failed.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 In the middle of my week-long trip to China a couple weeks ago, I pulled my 
 camera out of my pack and noticed that the battery door had been pulled open. 
  Annoying, but with the way it goes into and out of the Lowepro backpack, 
 that happens.

 As I went to slide the door back into place, though, I noticed that a chunk 
 of it was missing.  I found it later in my camera bag.  Somehow the door had 
 been stressed while open, and a part of it snapped off.

 Photo here of my half-assed field repair, if you want to see:

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/IMG_7199.jpg

 It's the right hand side of the door that's broken - there are no rubber 
 seals on that part of it, so I think that the camera MIGHT still be 
 weatherproof.   The gaffer tape that's on it right now is how I made sure 
 that:
  1. The door stayed in one piece for the rest of the trip
  2. The door stayed SHUT for the rest of the trip

 Ideally I'd replace the door, but I don't know how involved or expen$ive a 
 process that will be.  Has anyone had to deal with this kind of thing before? 
  How'd it go for you?

 Other than that: I had a great time in China!  I was looking for pictures to 
 share in a PESO kind of way and realized that there's nothing that really 
 stands out - they're all just snapshots from a whirlwind trip into and out of 
 Southwestern Yunnan province.  If you're into looking at other people's 
 vacation shots, I'll provide a link to the gallery for your enjoyment, but I 
 don't think anything really stands out:

 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/


  -Charles

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Re: K5 SD door broken

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 On May 12, 2015, at 12:55 , Eric Featherstone eric.featherst...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 On 12 May 2015 at 16:19, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 Other than that: I had a great time in China!  I was looking for pictures to 
 share in a PESO kind of way and realized that there's nothing that really 
 stands out - they're all just snapshots from a whirlwind trip into and out 
 of Southwestern Yunnan province.  If you're into looking at other people's 
 vacation shots, I'll provide a link to the gallery for your enjoyment, but I 
 don't think anything really stands out:
 
 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/
 
 
 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/content/K5__0145_large.html
 
 The characters you were trying to pick out are:
 唱响民族团结主族律
 　　谱写和谐发展新篇章
 google translate, for that's worth https://goo.gl/q2X0UB

Thanks much, Eric!  Well done.  I appreciate the help.
 
 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/content/IMG_7120_large.html
 
 They seem to like all glass bathrooms over there. A few years back I
 stayed in a hotel in Beijing where the shower was almost a centrepiece
 of the room, glass on 3 sides. Just a quick snap;
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/eric_f/6791977836/
 

Nice!  Seems to be a thing there, I guess.

My favorite was over in Yuanmou in 2005 - squat toilet in the floor was right 
under the shower head - it doubled as the shower drain.

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Re: K5 SD door broken

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 On May 12, 2015, at 15:26 , John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 
 And they paint the bottoms of trees white here in the U.S. as well. It's to 
 help control insect pests  fungus.
 

But certainly not every. single. tree. in. every. park?  

I understand the reason why now... I'm just impressed at how widely it's done 
in China.  I am not sure I ever saw a single tree without the white paint - at 
least not in the major parks in Kunming.  Rural Mojiang, it was less prevalent 
now that I think about it.

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Re: K5 SD door broken

[John]

On 5/12/2015 1:55 PM, Eric Featherstone wrote:

On 12 May 2015 at 16:19, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:

Other than that: I had a great time in China!  I was looking for
pictures to share in a PESO kind of way and realized that there's
nothing that really stands out - they're all just snapshots from a
whirlwind trip into and out of Southwestern Yunnan province.  If
you're into looking at other people's vacation shots, I'll provide
a link to the gallery for your enjoyment, but I don't think
anything really stands out:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/



http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/content/K5__0145_large.html

The characters you were trying to pick out are:
唱响民族团结主族律
　　谱写和谐发展新篇章
google translate, for that's worth https://goo.gl/q2X0UB
You could also try the dictionary at www.nciku.com.


http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/content/IMG_7120_large.html

They seem to like all glass bathrooms over there. A few years back I
stayed in a hotel in Beijing where the shower was almost a centrepiece
of the room, glass on 3 sides. Just a quick snap;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/eric_f/6791977836/



And they paint the bottoms of trees white here in the U.S. as well. It's 
to help control insect pests  fungus.


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Re: K5 SD door broken

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 On May 12, 2015, at 14:42 , Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Charles,
 Had a problem with the door on my *istD (My dropping it).
 Repair was $200+ on the weather sealed door.
 Hope they have improved design since then.
 Repair had to take apart a large part of the shell to fix it.
 I should have just used black duc tape after the super glue failed.

I took the rubber seal off, which let me get to the retention clips that let 
the plastic part slide all the way off of the metal part of the door.

Glued the plastic back together... that's when I noticed that part of the 
plastic has a loop which expects the hinge pin to slide through it.  That 
won't do, if I'm leaving the hinge pin in place!   A little dremel undid the 
loop so I could slide the plastic back onto the metal part of the door until it 
clicked into place onto the metal part of the door.

Then the rubber was re-applied to the metal.  Done.  Good enough for government 
work, and I'm confident that the door is still weatherproof, as the only 
weatherproof ANYTHING on the door is where the metal part of the door (with its 
rubber seal) is pressed against the SD slot (and the magic shut the camera off 
if the door's open button).  

It sure looks like a major disassembly is required to get that hinge pin out - 
certainly the top plate of the camera would have to come all of the way off -- 
which is NOT going to happen in the time that I own this camera!

 -Charles

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Re: K5 SD door broken

[John]

On 5/12/2015 11:19 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

In the middle of my week-long trip to China a couple weeks ago, I
pulled my camera out of my pack and noticed that the battery door had
been pulled open.  Annoying, but with the way it goes into and out of
the Lowepro backpack, that happens.

As I went to slide the door back into place, though, I noticed that a
chunk of it was missing.  I found it later in my camera bag.  Somehow
the door had been stressed while open, and a part of it snapped off.

Photo here of my half-assed field repair, if you want to see:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/IMG_7199.jpg

It's the right hand side of the door that's broken - there are no
rubber seals on that part of it, so I think that the camera MIGHT
still be weatherproof.   The gaffer tape that's on it right now is
how I made sure that: 1. The door stayed in one piece for the rest of
the trip 2. The door stayed SHUT for the rest of the trip

Ideally I'd replace the door, but I don't know how involved or
expen$ive a process that will be.  Has anyone had to deal with this
kind of thing before?  How'd it go for you?



The door to my *ist-D just popped off one day while I was walking
through the woods (early spring 2005). I heard a kind of ting sound 
looked down and it was gone. Broke clean off at the hinge. I was able to
find the door in the leaf litter around my feet.

Local Pentax dealer had a repair guy. He ordered a replacement door from
Pentax which arrived in a couple of weeks. It only took him about 5
minutes to replace the door once the part came in. I don't remember what
it cost, although it was only a labor charge. Pentax provided the
replacement door under warranty.

In the meantime, I used duct-tape to hold the door in place so the
little switch would allow the camera to turn on.



Other than that: I had a great time in China!  I was looking for
pictures to share in a PESO kind of way and realized that there's
nothing that really stands out - they're all just snapshots from a
whirlwind trip into and out of Southwestern Yunnan province.  If
you're into looking at other people's vacation shots, I'll provide a
link to the gallery for your enjoyment, but I don't think anything
really stands out:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/


-Charles




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Re: K5 SD door broken

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On 5/12/2015 4:51 PM, Charles Robinson wrote:



On May 12, 2015, at 15:26 , John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:




And they paint the bottoms of trees white here in the U.S. as well.
It's to help control insect pests  fungus.



But certainly not every. single. tree. in. every. park?

I understand the reason why now... I'm just impressed at how widely
it's done in China.  I am not sure I ever saw a single tree without
the white paint - at least not in the major parks in Kunming.  Rural
Mojiang, it was less prevalent now that I think about it.

-Charles


I think it must be easier to paint all of them the same way than it is
to identify the ones that need to be protected. Anyone can be given a
bucket of paint  instructed to paint all the tree trunks from the
ground to five feet.

The painter wouldn't have to know which ones are susceptible to fungus
or insects if he/she is going to paint all of them.

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K5 SD door broken

[Charles Robinson]

In the middle of my week-long trip to China a couple weeks ago, I pulled my 
camera out of my pack and noticed that the battery door had been pulled open.  
Annoying, but with the way it goes into and out of the Lowepro backpack, that 
happens.

As I went to slide the door back into place, though, I noticed that a chunk of 
it was missing.  I found it later in my camera bag.  Somehow the door had been 
stressed while open, and a part of it snapped off.

Photo here of my half-assed field repair, if you want to see:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/IMG_7199.jpg

It's the right hand side of the door that's broken - there are no rubber 
seals on that part of it, so I think that the camera MIGHT still be 
weatherproof.   The gaffer tape that's on it right now is how I made sure that:
 1. The door stayed in one piece for the rest of the trip
 2. The door stayed SHUT for the rest of the trip

Ideally I'd replace the door, but I don't know how involved or expen$ive a 
process that will be.  Has anyone had to deal with this kind of thing before?  
How'd it go for you?

Other than that: I had a great time in China!  I was looking for pictures to 
share in a PESO kind of way and realized that there's nothing that really 
stands out - they're all just snapshots from a whirlwind trip into and out of 
Southwestern Yunnan province.  If you're into looking at other people's 
vacation shots, I'll provide a link to the gallery for your enjoyment, but I 
don't think anything really stands out:

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2015/china/


 -Charles

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Re: New K5

[John]

That's easily fixed:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/mmp27bd

http://preview.tinyurl.com/olta26a

HTH, but you're on your own finding a death-ray.


On 11/25/2014 4:47 PM, Mark C wrote:

Reminds me of a Dalek (though missing the toilet plunger right arm...)

Mark

On 11/25/2014 2:40 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

OK so it's security robot...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2472633,00.asp




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New K5

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OK so it's security robot...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2472633,00.asp

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Reminds me of a Dalek (though missing the toilet plunger right arm...)

Mark

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OK so it's security robot...

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2472633,00.asp




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That, and the death ray, will be added when Skynet takes over...

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Reminds me of a Dalek (though missing the toilet plunger right arm...)

Mark

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PESO: Washington Monument (and in praise of the dynamic range on the K5)

[Charles Robinson]

I can't say enough good things about what you can do with pulling up detail 
from the shadows in the K5.

Saturday night, the wife and I pedaled around Washington DC taking photos of 
the monuments.  One shot I did, I figured well, the contrast is too much but 
I'll just expose for the brights and see what else I can get in post.

So, I spot-metered on the Washington monument, and took this 13-second exposure 
at f/9 and ISO 100.  As you can see, the image straight out of the camera is 
not much to write home about:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cpbyheptagcykqj/K5__4359-original.jpg?dl=0

However, in LR I did only two (very-drastic) adjustments:

 1. I jammed the exposure slider all the way up (+5 stops)
 2. I pulled the highlights all the way down (-100)

The result is this.  Not high art, but a good-enough documentation of what I 
saw when I was there:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7djxrsj2pwcfl0e/K5__4359-processed.jpg?dl=0

There is some mottling up in the sky due to it being a low-quality JPEG export 
(and there's also a speck of dust on my darned sensor!) but still - wow.

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