Re: LX Repair Update, March 7, 2005
My tech simply used a very fine bead of black silicon sealant. CN III -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm
Re: LX Repair Update, March 7, 2005
Hi Frank, That was my guess too. The shutter contacts get dirty, mine had that problem too. Steve - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PDML" Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: LX Repair Update, March 7, 2005 Well, I actually got it to the repair shop today (last week was a busy one at work). You may recall that my Black Beauty won't trip the flash. Russ said that it's likely a set of contacts in the shutter mechanism that trigger the flash that wear out commonly (after 20 years or so ). Or, sometimes they don't wear out, but just go out of adjustment or something. He didn't sound too concerned, but I'll get an estimate in a week or so. That's good news (they won't usually do an estimate if it's unrepairable). I mentioned that the thin weather-stripping around the prism cover (that I removed to see if all the contacts/solder joints looked okay) needed to be replaced. He seemed more concerned that such thin stripping may be hard to find - if that's their biggest problem, then I'm happy. Further reports as new developments arise... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: LX Repair Update, March 7, 2005
In a message dated 3/7/2005 4:40:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I mentioned that the thin weather-stripping around the prism cover (that I removed to see if all the contacts/solder joints looked okay) needed to be replaced. He seemed more concerned that such thin stripping may be hard to find - if that's their biggest problem, then I'm happy. Further reports as new developments arise... cheers, frank === Good luck, frank. I would think someone on this list would know where to find something that would work. Fingers crossed for you. Marnie aka Doe
LX Repair Update, March 7, 2005
Well, I actually got it to the repair shop today (last week was a busy one at work). You may recall that my Black Beauty won't trip the flash. Russ said that it's likely a set of contacts in the shutter mechanism that trigger the flash that wear out commonly (after 20 years or so ). Or, sometimes they don't wear out, but just go out of adjustment or something. He didn't sound too concerned, but I'll get an estimate in a week or so. That's good news (they won't usually do an estimate if it's unrepairable). I mentioned that the thin weather-stripping around the prism cover (that I removed to see if all the contacts/solder joints looked okay) needed to be replaced. He seemed more concerned that such thin stripping may be hard to find - if that's their biggest problem, then I'm happy. Further reports as new developments arise... cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: [personal] Re: LX Repair Update
You could always get another FA-1. I've seen several advertised on eBay
recently. Another LX advantage.
Nick
-Original Message-
From: "frank theriault"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 28/02/05 23:56:34
To: "pentax-discuss@pdml.net"
Subject: Re: [personal] Re: LX Repair Update
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:57:53 -0500, David Chang-Sang
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If Kominek's can't repair the LX I think Frank would be hard pressed to
find
> someone else within Canada who could. Their service, from my experience,
is
> top notch and if it's the same Pentax guy that I'm thinking of, he'll
scour
> for spare parts etc. in order to fix a working body.
>
> I hope it gets fixed for you Frank :)
I'm actually not too worried, for a couple of reasons. First, I think
that the problem is a minor mechanical one, maybe even one that
doesn't need parts. Second, if they can't fix it, I have a camera
that works fine, except for the flash (although, as I said, ttl flash
metering is one of the things I like most about it), so I still have a
pretty good camera. Third, Kominek's here in Toronto has a former
Pentax Canada tech who works for them, and he (as Dave recalls)
repaired a Pentax zoom for Dave that Pentax Canada said was beyond
repair.
Wait, that's ~three~ reasons
"I'm actually not worried, for ~three~ reasons. First..."
cheers,
frank (of the Spanish Inquisition)
--
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: [personal] Re: LX Repair Update
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 06:57:53 -0500, David Chang-Sang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If Kominek's can't repair the LX I think Frank would be hard pressed to find > someone else within Canada who could. Their service, from my experience, is > top notch and if it's the same Pentax guy that I'm thinking of, he'll scour > for spare parts etc. in order to fix a working body. > > I hope it gets fixed for you Frank :) I'm actually not too worried, for a couple of reasons. First, I think that the problem is a minor mechanical one, maybe even one that doesn't need parts. Second, if they can't fix it, I have a camera that works fine, except for the flash (although, as I said, ttl flash metering is one of the things I like most about it), so I still have a pretty good camera. Third, Kominek's here in Toronto has a former Pentax Canada tech who works for them, and he (as Dave recalls) repaired a Pentax zoom for Dave that Pentax Canada said was beyond repair. Wait, that's ~three~ reasons "I'm actually not worried, for ~three~ reasons. First..." cheers, frank (of the Spanish Inquisition) -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
RE: [personal] Re: LX Repair Update
Frank. Only other place i can think of that might be able to do it if Komineks is unablle is Sun Camera Repair at Keele and Steeles.(1 block east) They fixed my SP500 and Yashica Mat 2 1/4. I was happy with both repairs. Dave > If Kominek's can't repair the LX I think Frank would be hard pressed to find > someone else within Canada who could. Their service, from my experience, is > top notch and if it's the same Pentax guy that I'm thinking of, he'll scour > for spare parts etc. in order to fix a working body. > > I hope it gets fixed for you Frank :) > > Dave
RE: [personal] Re: LX Repair Update
If Kominek's can't repair the LX I think Frank would be hard pressed to find someone else within Canada who could. Their service, from my experience, is top notch and if it's the same Pentax guy that I'm thinking of, he'll scour for spare parts etc. in order to fix a working body. I hope it gets fixed for you Frank :) Dave > -Original Message- > From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 12:20 AM > To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net > Subject: [personal] Re: LX Repair Update > > > --- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The customs procedures for repatriating Japanese cameras are, from > > what I have heard, even more restrictive than taking California > > oranges from Saskatchewan into Montana. > > PCI in Toronto did a competent, albeit slow, repair on my LX's a few > > years ago. > > Not really, just request them to state clearly the camera was > returned from repair > and everything will be fine. According to the online quote, LX > repair is about 18270 > yen, adding CA$20 Canada Post Small Package + 2400 yen return > shipping (EMS), and > C$35 bank transfer, the whole thing will cost C$300. Whether it > is a good deal > depends on whether you can find someone to fix it properly in > your area. Here in the > west cost the major depots suck so it is the best option to me, > though I don't have > the LX anymore. > > = > Alan Chan > http://www.pbase.com/wlachan
Re: LX Repair Update
--- William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The customs procedures for repatriating Japanese cameras are, from > what I have heard, even more restrictive than taking California > oranges from Saskatchewan into Montana. > PCI in Toronto did a competent, albeit slow, repair on my LX's a few > years ago. Not really, just request them to state clearly the camera was returned from repair and everything will be fine. According to the online quote, LX repair is about 18270 yen, adding CA$20 Canada Post Small Package + 2400 yen return shipping (EMS), and C$35 bank transfer, the whole thing will cost C$300. Whether it is a good deal depends on whether you can find someone to fix it properly in your area. Here in the west cost the major depots suck so it is the best option to me, though I don't have the LX anymore. = Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
Re: LX Repair Update
- Original Message - From: "Alan Chan" Subject: Re: LX Repair Update In the worst case, you can always send it to Pentax Japan. If they couldn't fix it, nobody can. The customs procedures for repatriating Japanese cameras are, from what I have heard, even more restrictive than taking California oranges from Saskatchewan into Montana. PCI in Toronto did a competent, albeit slow, repair on my LX's a few years ago. William Robb
Re: LX Repair Update
Hi Frank ... You could always buy mine, which I'm thinking of selling. Purchased brand new in Japan, one of the last off the line, in absolutely wonderful shape. Shel > [Original Message] > From: Alan Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In the worst case, you can always send it to Pentax Japan. If they couldn't fix it, > nobody can.
Re: LX Repair Update
In the worst case, you can always send it to Pentax Japan. If they couldn't fix it, nobody can. = Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
LX Repair Update
Some of you may recall that I posted a couple of weeks ago, complaining that the LX won't fire the flash. Several mentioned that taking the cover off the prism would reveal some wires and contacts and stuff (see how well I express myself in technical terms? ) that I might want to check. Having finished off a roll today, I took the opportunity to do just that, and it appears that everything is ship-shape in there. No dangling wires with lumps of solder on them, all contacts seem to be contacting other things. I gently jiggled connections, and all seemed solid. I didn't really want to do much more than that, as the last thing I want to do is screw things up worse. So, LX goes for it's first visit to Kominek's here in Toronto. I noticed that there was some ~very~ thin sealing that came off when I removed the prism cover; I assume that I should tell them at the repair shop what I did, so they can put more sealing in. It's just weather sealing, right? I guess I don't want water getting into the prism housing, with all those wires and stuff in there. Anyway, I'll keep everyone updated. Assuming that the problem is in the body. Hope it can be repaired easily (and cheaply), as ttl flash ability is one of the things I like best about the LX. cheers, frank -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: LX repair update
William wrote: > I'm beginning to think I should send them to Pentax Norway. Why not? I could perhaps call Pål (yes, thats his name) at Pentax Norway and get an estimate for you. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: LX repair update
I´m beginning to miss my LX less. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: Pentax Discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 14. elokuuta 2002 23:59 Aihe: LX repair update >This has nothing to do with the LX that is still in the shop, >but with one of the cameras I got back last month. >It appears to be developing a case of sticky mirror. This is >after having the mirror box serviced. > >So, it now seems that in a random sampling, the LX is good for 3 >rolls of film and a month between servicing. > >Fortunately, this time it should be under warranty. > >William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX repair update
There is something obviously wrong at Pentax in Canada. At 04:09 PM 8/14/2002 -0600, you wrote: >This has nothing to do with the LX that is still in the shop, >but with one of the cameras I got back last month. >It appears to be developing a case of sticky mirror. This is >after having the mirror box serviced. > >So, it now seems that in a random sampling, the LX is good for 3 >rolls of film and a month between servicing. > >Fortunately, this time it should be under warranty. > >William Robb >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: LX repair update
On 14 Aug 2002 at 21:22, Alan Chan wrote: > I was there a few times and he was not friendly to me at all. Never had > problem with other service centres so it should not be my communication > problem. On the other hand, their sales and parts departments are very > helpful (but you must meet them in person). I found exactly the opposite, CRK repairs were easy to deal with, for spares Hanny does not muck around, sales people were essentially drop-kicks :-( Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: LX repair update
>Wow Alan, sounds like you must have encountered the staff at CRK on the >wrong day. Which branch office are we talking about here? I have had >nothing >but fantastic service from Ross at CRK in Melbourne. Sure, he couldn't fix >one of my K2's, but everything else has been fine. The K2 that couldn't be >repaired was returned to me in one piece at no charge once it was >determined >that they could not repair the camera (no parts available). I was there a few times and he was not friendly to me at all. Never had problem with other service centres so it should not be my communication problem. On the other hand, their sales and parts departments are very helpful (but you must meet them in person). regards, Alan Chan _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: LX repair update
Wow Alan, sounds like you must have encountered the staff at CRK on the wrong day. Which branch office are we talking about here? I have had nothing but fantastic service from Ross at CRK in Melbourne. Sure, he couldn't fix one of my K2's, but everything else has been fine. The K2 that couldn't be repaired was returned to me in one piece at no charge once it was determined that they could not repair the camera (no parts available). Cheers Shaun. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alan Chan Sent: Thursday, 15 August 2002 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LX repair update >These repairers obviously short-cut on the "sticky-mirror" repair, just >replacing a few surface rubbers won't cut it, the camera has to be pulled >right >to bits, i.e. scattered all over the work-bench. None of the many LX that I >have had repaired in OZ that had "sticky-mirror" have ever suffered it >again. >These dudes are hopeless :-( On the other hand, the old guy in CR Kenndy stripped my MDA into pieces and didn't bother to put it back together properly. Not to mention he charged me AU$180 for a 5 min fix on my MX which he latter claimed I did something to it and tried to shift the blame on me, when the jamming problem kept coming back. And he always treated me like shxt everytime I went there. Very nice, very nice indeed. regards, Alan Chan _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX repair update
>These repairers obviously short-cut on the "sticky-mirror" repair, just >replacing a few surface rubbers won't cut it, the camera has to be pulled >right >to bits, i.e. scattered all over the work-bench. None of the many LX that I >have had repaired in OZ that had "sticky-mirror" have ever suffered it >again. >These dudes are hopeless :-( On the other hand, the old guy in CR Kenndy stripped my MDA into pieces and didn't bother to put it back together properly. Not to mention he charged me AU$180 for a 5 min fix on my MX which he latter claimed I did something to it and tried to shift the blame on me, when the jamming problem kept coming back. And he always treated me like shxt everytime I went there. Very nice, very nice indeed. regards, Alan Chan _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX repair update
- Original Message - From: Bruce Dayton Subject: Re: LX repair update > William, > > All I can say is that I am sure glad that the first time I peered > through one of Shel's LX's that I didn't care for the style of > interface of the meter. That coupled with the long running issues > that I have heard about LX's makes me glad that I don't have any. I > know that they are older and probably hold up longer than many other > bodies, but that doesn't negate the fact that they are starting to > wear out. That was one of the reasons that I moved forward from my > old SuperProgram (which I rather liked) to a PZ-1p and then an MZ-S. > Of course, then I was coerced into the "Light" and got my 67II. I > still can't get over the difference in detail of the negative and > resulting prints. Call me Canadian, but for some reason that is not to be fathomed, I still like the darnded things, I suppose for the same reason I liked my Triumph Trident, even though it required 4 hours of work per hour of riding. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX repair update
On 14 Aug 2002 at 16:09, William Robb wrote: > This has nothing to do with the LX that is still in the shop, > but with one of the cameras I got back last month. > It appears to be developing a case of sticky mirror. This is > after having the mirror box serviced. These repairers obviously short-cut on the "sticky-mirror" repair, just replacing a few surface rubbers won't cut it, the camera has to be pulled right to bits, i.e. scattered all over the work-bench. None of the many LX that I have had repaired in OZ that had "sticky-mirror" have ever suffered it again. These dudes are hopeless :-( Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Leica vs Bessa $$$ (Was: LX repair update)
In a message dated 8/4/2002 8:04:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > That being said, you can always wait a bit, hunt for a used BessaR2 at some > point :-) > > Now that the seed is planted.. I hear the hunting bugle calling me . . . I think I've all but decided to pick up a Bessa R2. I notice that I can also pick up an M42 to M (bayonet) adapter and use a couple of my wide screw lenses (24mm, 35mm) on the Bessa. Of course, they won't be rangefinder coupled, but with the depth of field they offer this isn't an issue. I figure I should buy at least one or two Voigtlander lenses to flesh out the kit. Most likely the 50mm 1.5 and the 90mm 3.5 APO. It doesn't appear that Voigtlander makes a 24mm viewfinder but I figure I can just use the 25mm. Has anyone heard the shutter on the Bessa R2? Stephen Gandy says it's louder than a Leica but more like a "quiet SLR." -Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update
The comparisom is between the F3 and LX. The LX is 1/75 and the F3 1/80. Even at 1/60 there is no material difference between the speeds. F3/T's still seem to be quite expensive in good condition. One problem when buying used Nikon gear is that you don't know if it was owned by a PJ in a war zone, or a proctologist. From: "Len Paris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The F3 is a great camera but I wouldn't want to step down to a flash sync speed of 1/60th again. Though I admit that, if I could get an F3/T, I'd be hard pressed to turn it down. The FM3 is a very good camera. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
Here's a different comparison and one I think fits very nicely. A friend of mine is in love with Jaguars (that's the cars by the way.) He has a lovely E-type and a newer Vandenplass. These cars have always been known as more than a little unreliable. Just keeping the 12 cylinders tuned is a full-time job. But accoriding to him and thousands of others who love them, the unreliability and sometimes annoying problems are worth the priveledge of owning and driving one. Maybe the LX fits into this category. I think their minor annoyances and, as some would say unreliability at times, is worth the price of parking them in your camera bag and taking them out for a spin whevever you damn well please. It is for me. Vic - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Leica vs Bessa $$$ (Was: LX repair update)
Louder yes.. but not as expensive as the Leica I guess it all depends on what you'll be shooting and what your purpose is with the camera. When I puchased the Leica to "try it out" (I've owned both the M6 and CL) I did so on the basis that I knew I wouldn't get hit much with resale value. If I really really really liked the camera and what it did, I'd keep it. The Bessa's would be "keeper" cameras off the bat because I feel that if the camera wasn't right for you after running a few rolls through it, you'd be sort of "stuck" trying to sell it used and get back 85% of your money on a NG or list or even Ebay. That being said, you can always wait a bit, hunt for a used BessaR2 at some point :-) Now that the seed is planted.. I hear the hunting bugle calling me . . . Cheers, Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Łukasz Kacperczyk Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Vs: Vs: Subject: LX repair update But it's much louder (at least the one I had the opportunity to try). Łukasz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alan Chan Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Vs: Vs: Subject: LX repair update >Look here: > >http://www.cameraquest.com/voigtBR2.htm > >The Bessa R2 does accept the M series Leica lenses. > >TEMPTING!! And unlike other Bessa, this one is metal. regards, Alan Chan _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[4]: Subject: LX repair update
Hi, when my LXs were stolen the insurance company first offered me 3 F3s with MD-4s as replacements because they thought they were the nearest current equivalent to the LX. I went to a camera shop to see how they compared. Lifted one F3+MD4 and decided there and then, based on the weight & size alone, that this was not the camera for me. They are real monsters. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sunday, August 4, 2002, 12:26:39 AM, you wrote: > That makes the F3 wth MD just a tad heavier than a Pentax 67II > body only. Somehow I thought thhe F3 with drive would be a bit > heavier than that. > Len > --- > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:00 PM > Subject: Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update >> In a message dated 8/3/2002 2:41:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> >> > If it has the motor drive attached, the F3 is probably > heavier. >> > Though I guess I could go through my reference material and > come >> > up with a weight for the F3 with, and without, a motor > drive. >> > >> > >> >> F3 weight, 715G >> MD-4 motor drive, 480G >> >> -Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
- Original Message - From: Pål Jensen Subject: Re: Subject: LX repair update > Doesn't this rather prove that you are using an unreliable repairing facility? In fact, I discussed this with the Pentax repair man a couple of months ago. I can't remember the details but he claimed that many LX bodies was not in fact repaired properly as some servicing people were not familiar with the quirks of the LX. Often the symptom was fixed but not the underlaying cause. Whether the camera is inherently unreliable or whether I cannot get repairs done reliably is moot. What is germaine (to me, anyway) is that my 3 LX's are going in for service far more often than they should be. I have used both Pentax Canada facilities, and an independant repair company. None have made my cameras what I would call dependable. If Pentax can't make the camera repairs, then they have a problem. If that is what is making my cameras unreliable, then I still have unreliable cameras. My first LX, which I bought new, needed service within 3 years of being purchased. My friends F3 will be 20 this year, and has NEVER seen a repair shop. This is what reliablility is about. For the record. it doesn't matter about the reliability of the camera, it is still, in my estimation, the best 35mm camera I have had the pleasure of owning. If I thought otherwise, I wouldn't have bought 3 of them, and a bunch of dedicated accessories. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update
- Original Message - From: Len Paris Subject: Re: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update > The F3 is a great camera but I wouldn't want to step down to a > flash sync speed of 1/60th again. Though I admit that, if I > could get an F3/T, I'd be hard pressed to turn it down. The FM3 > is a very good camera. The F3 flash sync is 1/80, the mechanical release operates at 1/60th. I disliked the placement of the meter readout enough to change camera brands. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update
The F3 is a great camera but I wouldn't want to step down to a flash sync speed of 1/60th again. Though I admit that, if I could get an F3/T, I'd be hard pressed to turn it down. The FM3 is a very good camera. Len --- - Original Message - From: "Bruce Rubenstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: Re: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update > I'm sure about what's happened to the F3 used market, but I see quite a few > going for under $300 on ebay. Very tempting. Then I remind myself that I've > got to save for that FM3a. > > BR > > From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hmmm, spend another grand on the LX's, or buy a couple of used > F3s.. > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
That makes the F3 wth MD just a tad heavier than a Pentax 67II body only. Somehow I thought thhe F3 with drive would be a bit heavier than that. Len --- - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update > In a message dated 8/3/2002 2:41:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > If it has the motor drive attached, the F3 is probably heavier. > > Though I guess I could go through my reference material and come > > up with a weight for the F3 with, and without, a motor drive. > > > > > > F3 weight, 715G > MD-4 motor drive, 480G > > -Brendan MacRae > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update
Well, I think that's the real heart of the problem. There is just about nowhere in North America that you can send a LX to for repair and be confident that it will be done right. It doesn't matter what sort of wonder of reliability the camera was when it came out of the factory 20 years ago. Now it's old and needs a "tune-up" to the "factory", and it comes back either in worse shape than when you sent it in (my personal experience), or a rather temporary repair. The net effect is that for people in N.A. LX's aren't very reliable cameras, and are close to being more trouble than they're worth. Perfect Norwegian LX's don't help us here. From: "Rob Studdert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update Sounds like you should be questioning the competence of your chosen repair facility? Not good :-( Cheers, - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
The F3 is about 5oz heavier than the LX. They were both intended for the same use and market. Maybe Nikon has a better idea of what kind of reliability is expected of this class of camera. From: Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: I think that the comparison to the F3 is a bit unfair by the way. It is much bigger, almost as large and heavy as a Pentax 67. If you can't build in reliability by using bigger heavier parts then you're doing something wrong. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update
I'm sure about what's happened to the F3 used market, but I see quite a few going for under $300 on ebay. Very tempting. Then I remind myself that I've got to save for that FM3a. BR From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hmmm, spend another grand on the LX's, or buy a couple of used F3s.. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
Alan, No meter coupling chain anymore and the frame advance was reworked. I suspect the 67II is more reliable in those particular areas. Bruce Saturday, August 3, 2002, 2:18:59 PM, you wrote: >>I had 2 P67 break, in both the meter aperture coupling chains failed, they >>are unreliable. AC> I wonder if P67II was more reliable. AC> regards, AC> Alan Chan AC> _ AC> MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: AC> http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx AC> - AC> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, AC> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to AC> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
In a message dated 8/3/2002 2:41:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > If it has the motor drive attached, the F3 is probably heavier. > Though I guess I could go through my reference material and come > up with a weight for the F3 with, and without, a motor drive. > > F3 weight, 715G MD-4 motor drive, 480G -Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
If it has the motor drive attached, the F3 is probably heavier. Though I guess I could go through my reference material and come up with a weight for the F3 with, and without, a motor drive. Len --- - Original Message - From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 4:13 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update > >I think that the comparison to the F3 is a bit unfair by the way. It is > >much bigger, > >almost as large and heavy as a Pentax 67. If you can't build in > >reliability by using bigger heavier parts then you're doing > >something wrong. > > Perhaps you mixed up the F3 with F4 or F5. I don't see how the Nikon F3 can > be as big or heavy as P67. > > regards, > Alan Chan > > > _ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vs: Vs: Subject: LX repair update
>Look here: > >http://www.cameraquest.com/voigtBR2.htm > >The Bessa R2 does accept the M series Leica lenses. > >TEMPTING!! And unlike other Bessa, this one is metal. regards, Alan Chan _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
>The trouble is that often the focus will be out slightly too and it gets >worse >progressively. And that means no more super sharp pictures. :( regards, Alan Chan _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
>I had 2 P67 break, in both the meter aperture coupling chains failed, they >are unreliable. I wonder if P67II was more reliable. regards, Alan Chan _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
>Doesn't this rather prove that you are using an unreliable repairing >facility? In fact, I discussed this with the Pentax repair man a couple of >months ago. I can't remember the details but he claimed that many LX bodies >was not in fact repaired properly as some servicing people were not >familiar with the quirks of the LX. Often the symptom was fixed but not the >underlaying cause. This is possible. regards, Alan Chan _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
>I think that the comparison to the F3 is a bit unfair by the way. It is >much bigger, >almost as large and heavy as a Pentax 67. If you can't build in >reliability by using bigger heavier parts then you're doing >something wrong. Perhaps you mixed up the F3 with F4 or F5. I don't see how the Nikon F3 can be as big or heavy as P67. regards, Alan Chan _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
Pal, I have to agree with most of your comments. Most LX's are older cameras now. The fact that there are so many still being used and enjoyed is a good measure of their sound design and reliability. -Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vs: Vs: Subject: LX repair update
In a message dated 8/3/2002 2:34:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > That´s what I thought when Bessa R2 was introduced - but now I think that it > has to be a model which does *not* accept Leica lenses Raimo, Look here: http://www.cameraquest.com/voigtBR2.htm The Bessa R2 does accept the M series Leica lenses. TEMPTING!! -Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
On 2 Aug 2002 at 16:50, William Robb wrote: > Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the camera (I am the guy who > insisted on the LX Gallery, after all), but I am not going to > kid myself thinking that it is more reliable than crack addict. > You can kid yourself all you like. I had 2 P67 break, in both the meter aperture coupling chains failed, they are unreliable. My M6 cameras have been very reliable however I expect that they would need to have the RF aligned after the types of knocks that my LXs have received and survived. I have had only stick mirror, bent rewind cranks and ISO resistor problems with my LX, nothing more than I would expect. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
On 3 Aug 2002 at 0:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've had very few real problems with my LXs (four and counting) (I know, it's a > sickness). One thing I notice on the PUG that I don't really agree with is the > quick suggestion by everyone to have a CLA on an LX every time it acts up. I > think it's like a car, the less you send them in for repair, the less chance you > are going to have any problem with them. Take care of them, use them, and you > should be okay. Even a little sticky mirror is no big deal. It usually only > sticks for the first shot. I suggest you use the mirror lockup once or twice and > shoot away. Only if it becomes a real problem do I send them in for CLA. The trouble is that often the focus will be out slightly too and it gets worse progressively. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update
On 2 Aug 2002 at 16:56, William Robb wrote: >> > In Canadian Dollar terms (I'm not sure how much in CDN this is > costing > > William.. but I'm guessing.. you can't put a cash value on his > frustration > > and wasted time) a Leica M6 CLA is about $400.00 via a local > (Toronto) > > company that specializes in Leica. > > For the record: LX#2 was serviced 20 months ago, and then again > 2 months ago. This time was just a tad over Can$300.00. > LX#3 was serviced 18 months ago, and again 2 months ago, this > sime as a bit over Can$300.00. > LX#1 was serviced about 2 1/2 years ago, and is in the shop > again, with a repair estimate of around 400.00, but then again, > they don't have the right parts, so I suppose it could change. > > Hmmm, spend another grand on the LX's, or buy a couple of used > F3s.. Sounds like you should be questioning the competence of your chosen repair facility? Not good :-( Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
That should be B52 At 10:51 AM 8/3/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Well at least I got a rise out of you. Yes I know I overstated the case and >when I described the F3 as being as big as a 67. I kept away from any numbers >because well it's impression that seems to be counting here and my >impression of >the F3 is that it's huge. > >I have to take exception to the airplane analogy. The apex of mechanical >camera >design camera design was in the mid to late 1980's I doubt that there is >much different >in the FE3 mechanically from a medium duty Nikon of that era. The >difference is in the >electronics. More a difference between a B53A and a B52G. Unfortunately >the LX development >was frozen around the E upgrade. > >At 11:42 PM 8/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: >>- Original Message - >>From: Peter Alling Subject: Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update >> >> >> > I think you missed my point. William said that the use of >>mixed >> > electronics and mechanicals in the >> > shutter mechanism was a hodgepodge, and one of the reasons for >>the LX's >> > supposed un-reliability. I pointed >> > out that Nikon would probably not have used a similar setup if >>that was >> > true. (I kind of like the FM3 by the way). >> >>Actually, I called it a bastard marriage. For the most part, the >>exposure system of the LX seems pretty reliable, keeping in mind >>that the heart of it is prone to rusting away. >> >>I don't think comparing the LX to the FM3 is valid, as they are >>from entirely different eras of manufacturing technology. >>You are comparing a Sopwith Camel to a Hawker Hurricane. >> > >> > I think that the comparison to the >> > F3 is a bit unfair by the way. It is much bigger, >> > almost as large and heavy as a Pentax 67. If you can't build >>in >> > reliability by using bigger heavier parts then you're doing >> > something wrong. >> >>Who are you trying to kid? >>The Nikon F3HP is: >>(W x H x D) : approx 148.5 x 101.5 x 69 mm. Body weight: Nikon >>F3HP: 760g approx. >> >>The 6x7 with the meter prism attached is: >>(W x H x D) 177 x 208 x 91mm, and weighs 2270g approx. >> >>The comparison is between top of the line cameras that are >>contemporaneous to each other from competing companies. It is a >>perfectly valid comparison. >>If making it bigger makes it more reliable, Pentax had the >>option of doing it with the LX, and the 6x7 would be their most >>reliable camera body. >> >>I do expect that if the 6x7 is in fact a less reliable camera, >>it is because it is actually used by pro photographers, and is >>subject to more wear and tear. >>I don't believe that statement for a minute, and no proof was >>given to back it up. >> From my own experience, the 6x7 is a very reliable product. I >>have known 4 of them that were used day to day by pro >>photographers, and they were all as reliable as a one piece >>hammer. >>My own 6x7 has been in the shop twice, once to cure T-Maxitus, >>which I don't hold against the camera, and once to repair a PC >>terminal that I broke right off the body. >> >>William Robb >>- >>This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >>go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >>visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: Subject: LX repair update
IMHO the plain ME is very reliable. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 03. elokuuta 2002 13:46 Aihe: Re: Subject: LX repair update >Alan wrote: > > >> But that doesn't explan why some bodies have received much more complains >> than others. > >It certainly does. The Pentax ME bodies that "receive more complaints than others" >are put out of circulation into a closed or into the garbage. Thats why you don't >hear much about them. > > >>My sister's lecturer (engineer) once said, "No matter how reliable >> certain products are in general, if yours was a lemon, you would never have >> the same faith on that brand anymore." This is especially true when you >> bought their top of the line products, just turned out to be a nightmare to >> fix. It's not just money, but endless frustration. > > >I've yet to hear about a single LX body that qualifies as a lemon. No reports of >constantly breaking NEW LX bodies has surfaced. THAT would qualify as a lemon. The >LX that are reported as lemons are 15-20 years old, most of them bought used with an >unknown history. When a camera needs service after 15-20 years of use it certainly >have done its intended job. If camera need repeated service then its the service >people that doesn't do a good enough job. > > >Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
Well at least I got a rise out of you. Yes I know I overstated the case and when I described the F3 as being as big as a 67. I kept away from any numbers because well it's impression that seems to be counting here and my impression of the F3 is that it's huge. I have to take exception to the airplane analogy. The apex of mechanical camera design camera design was in the mid to late 1980's I doubt that there is much different in the FE3 mechanically from a medium duty Nikon of that era. The difference is in the electronics. More a difference between a B53A and a B52G. Unfortunately the LX development was frozen around the E upgrade. At 11:42 PM 8/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: >- Original Message - >From: Peter Alling Subject: Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update > > > > I think you missed my point. William said that the use of >mixed > > electronics and mechanicals in the > > shutter mechanism was a hodgepodge, and one of the reasons for >the LX's > > supposed un-reliability. I pointed > > out that Nikon would probably not have used a similar setup if >that was > > true. (I kind of like the FM3 by the way). > >Actually, I called it a bastard marriage. For the most part, the >exposure system of the LX seems pretty reliable, keeping in mind >that the heart of it is prone to rusting away. > >I don't think comparing the LX to the FM3 is valid, as they are >from entirely different eras of manufacturing technology. >You are comparing a Sopwith Camel to a Hawker Hurricane. > > > > I think that the comparison to the > > F3 is a bit unfair by the way. It is much bigger, > > almost as large and heavy as a Pentax 67. If you can't build >in > > reliability by using bigger heavier parts then you're doing > > something wrong. > >Who are you trying to kid? >The Nikon F3HP is: >(W x H x D) : approx 148.5 x 101.5 x 69 mm. Body weight: Nikon >F3HP: 760g approx. > >The 6x7 with the meter prism attached is: >(W x H x D) 177 x 208 x 91mm, and weighs 2270g approx. > >The comparison is between top of the line cameras that are >contemporaneous to each other from competing companies. It is a >perfectly valid comparison. >If making it bigger makes it more reliable, Pentax had the >option of doing it with the LX, and the 6x7 would be their most >reliable camera body. > >I do expect that if the 6x7 is in fact a less reliable camera, >it is because it is actually used by pro photographers, and is >subject to more wear and tear. >I don't believe that statement for a minute, and no proof was >given to back it up. > From my own experience, the 6x7 is a very reliable product. I >have known 4 of them that were used day to day by pro >photographers, and they were all as reliable as a one piece >hammer. >My own 6x7 has been in the shop twice, once to cure T-Maxitus, >which I don't hold against the camera, and once to repair a PC >terminal that I broke right off the body. > >William Robb >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
Excellent points Pal. vic In a message dated 8/3/02 6:51:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: < Early R series cameras can be very unrelibale, but the R7, R8, R6 and R6.2 > are reliable and built like a tank. The R8 had plenty of problems that are probably solved by now. If I remember correctly, the guy who tested the R8 for Photo.net (or was it elsewhere?) switched to Nikon due to it's low reliability. I'm sure Leicas are well made. So are Mercedes Benzes, but a Toyota is probably more reliable. > I dont think any camera in maintenance free, being a mechanical piece of > machinery things wear and need to be serviced. I would think that an M4 or > M6 is very reliable camera. Remember that a Leica rangefinder are hugely simple devices compared to a complex camera like the LX. Pål>> - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Subject: LX repair update
- Original Message - From: Peter Alling Subject: Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update > I think you missed my point. William said that the use of mixed > electronics and mechanicals in the > shutter mechanism was a hodgepodge, and one of the reasons for the LX's > supposed un-reliability. I pointed > out that Nikon would probably not have used a similar setup if that was > true. (I kind of like the FM3 by the way). Actually, I called it a bastard marriage. For the most part, the exposure system of the LX seems pretty reliable, keeping in mind that the heart of it is prone to rusting away. I don't think comparing the LX to the FM3 is valid, as they are from entirely different eras of manufacturing technology. You are comparing a Sopwith Camel to a Hawker Hurricane. > > I think that the comparison to the > F3 is a bit unfair by the way. It is much bigger, > almost as large and heavy as a Pentax 67. If you can't build in > reliability by using bigger heavier parts then you're doing > something wrong. Who are you trying to kid? The Nikon F3HP is: (W x H x D) : approx 148.5 x 101.5 x 69 mm. Body weight: Nikon F3HP: 760g approx. The 6x7 with the meter prism attached is: (W x H x D) 177 x 208 x 91mm, and weighs 2270g approx. The comparison is between top of the line cameras that are contemporaneous to each other from competing companies. It is a perfectly valid comparison. If making it bigger makes it more reliable, Pentax had the option of doing it with the LX, and the 6x7 would be their most reliable camera body. I do expect that if the 6x7 is in fact a less reliable camera, it is because it is actually used by pro photographers, and is subject to more wear and tear. I don't believe that statement for a minute, and no proof was given to back it up. >From my own experience, the 6x7 is a very reliable product. I have known 4 of them that were used day to day by pro photographers, and they were all as reliable as a one piece hammer. My own 6x7 has been in the shop twice, once to cure T-Maxitus, which I don't hold against the camera, and once to repair a PC terminal that I broke right off the body. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
I've had very few real problems with my LXs (four and counting) (I know, it's a sickness). One thing I notice on the PUG that I don't really agree with is the quick suggestion by everyone to have a CLA on an LX every time it acts up. I think it's like a car, the less you send them in for repair, the less chance you are going to have any problem with them. Take care of them, use them, and you should be okay. Even a little sticky mirror is no big deal. It usually only sticks for the first shot. I suggest you use the mirror lockup once or twice and shoot away. Only if it becomes a real problem do I send them in for CLA. Vic - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX repair update
The best LX repair (sticky mirror)I have ever had is through a local camera store. I asked several times if they knew how to repair LXs and they assured me their guy could. I let him go to it. He ordered the parts from Pentax and it's never worked so good...And it only cost me a few bucks. I think 20-30 bucks... Vic - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
I think you missed my point. William said that the use of mixed electronics and mechanicals in the shutter mechanism was a hodgepodge, and one of the reasons for the LX's supposed un-reliability. I pointed out that Nikon would probably not have used a similar setup if that was true. (I kind of like the FM3 by the way). As I said before based on my experience with LX's you'd think that you guy's were discussing an entirely different model of camera than those I own. I have two LX's both bought used, one an early example which I would judge to be about 15 years old, and one of the later examples. They are my most used camera body's and I've never had a problem with either of them, they've baked in deserts been exposed to heat and humidity, freezing cold snow and sleet and that combination of cold and humidity that can only be described as clammy. I think that the comparison to the F3 is a bit unfair by the way. It is much bigger, almost as large and heavy as a Pentax 67. If you can't build in reliability by using bigger heavier parts then you're doing something wrong. At 06:01 PM 8/2/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>I would have to disagree based on my experience, but I can't argue with >>your's. >>Additionally if mixing mechanical, (for manual exposure), and electronic, >> (for automatic exposure), shutter speeds was such a bad idea >>then the new Nikon FM3 wouldn't exist. > >Just because the LX was not as reliable as similer camera like F3, doesn't >mean Nikon couldn't do it better on their FM3A. > >regards, >Alan Chan > > >_ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Vs: Subject: LX repair update
>Pentax and Leica RF systems complement each other well. If I was buying now >I´d get Voigtländer Bessa R instead - for much less money. No no no! You definitely want the Bessa R2. regards, Alan Chan _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
>The LX was sucessful from an engineering point of view; in fact; it's their >proudest achievement. The MZ-S, however, suffers from being a rush job. >They needed to get the digital version ready and to do that they had to >postpone 35mm slr development in works. Due to this, they needed the rush a >film version of the digital camera (MZ-S) to fill the obvious hole in the >35mm camera line-up. Hence, early MZ-S's suffers from some problems. Just don't know since when I have learnt not to buy the earlest version of any new products just to avoid bugs. regards, Alan Chan _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
>I sometimes wonder if you guy's really have the same camera model I use. That's the fun part, isn't it? And you wouldn't think every PDML members are actually Pentax user, would you? :) regards, Alan Chan _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
>I would have to disagree based on my experience, but I can't argue with >your's. >Additionally if mixing mechanical, (for manual exposure), and electronic, > (for automatic exposure), shutter speeds was such a bad idea >then the new Nikon FM3 wouldn't exist. Just because the LX was not as reliable as similer camera like F3, doesn't mean Nikon couldn't do it better on their FM3A. regards, Alan Chan _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
>You're not alone. I have resisted buying one for quite some time >based largely on how much I read about it's problems. You don't hear >nearly as much about problems with MX's or SuperPrograms, etc. Few years back I read from a UK magazine. The UK representive said, "The Super A was a very reliable camera because the demand for the parts was very low." On the other hand, even most Pentax fans like the LX very much, the amount of problems discussed on the net were also the most. I have the impression that people like the LX so much they would do anything (constant expensive bills) to get them fixed and still said they were reliable. Now pls don't flame me for being not a LX fan. I like the LX, I just don't have faith on them. I just choose to use something that I can trust when I need it. regards, Alan Chan _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
>You bring up some excellent points that are worthy of consideration. >The age of the LX bodies perhaps is the primary cause for problems. >The one fact remains that they are all OLD cameras and will continue >to have old camera problems. Perhaps far less than some other old >cameras, but problems nonetheless. But that doesn't explan why some bodies have received much more complains than others. >Let's hope that on the 35mm front, the MZ-S proves to be a reliable >body. I suspect that it doesn't make economic sense for a company to >build a very expensive body that will last and last. No new sales >that way. So my guess is that the MZ-S will not hold up as well or >long as the LX. I actually thinks the opposite. People want quality products and they would buy more if they were satisfied. People would stay away forever if they got bitten. My sister's lecturer (engineer) once said, "No matter how reliable certain products are in general, if yours was a lemon, you would never have the same faith on that brand anymore." This is especially true when you bought their top of the line products, just turned out to be a nightmare to fix. It's not just money, but endless frustration. regards, Alan Chan _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
William wrote: > What is weird is your insistence that because you happen to have > a sample that held up, that is the norm, and all evidence to the > contrary is dismissed as bad luck. Thats not what I'm insisting on. The LX does indeed have a track record and mine happen to be more representative than your three according to Pentax servicing people. The 67 needs far more maintaining than possibly any other pentax body. The LX is in the top rank. Also, Pentax have one of the lowest reclamation records in the industry. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update > In Canadian Dollar terms (I'm not sure how much in CDN this is costing > William.. but I'm guessing.. you can't put a cash value on his frustration > and wasted time) a Leica M6 CLA is about $400.00 via a local (Toronto) > company that specializes in Leica. For the record: LX#2 was serviced 20 months ago, and then again 2 months ago. This time was just a tad over Can$300.00. LX#3 was serviced 18 months ago, and again 2 months ago, this sime as a bit over Can$300.00. LX#1 was serviced about 2 1/2 years ago, and is in the shop again, with a repair estimate of around 400.00, but then again, they don't have the right parts, so I suppose it could change. Hmmm, spend another grand on the LX's, or buy a couple of used F3s.. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
> You don't buy Leica to get a maintanance free camera > system! > > Pål Early R series cameras can be very unrelibale, but the R7, R8, R6 and R6.2 are reliable and built like a tank. The R6 and 6.2 are also quite small, whilst still maintaing a build quality that i have never seen another SLR to equal. I dont think any camera in maintenance free, being a mechanical piece of machinery things wear and need to be serviced. I would think that an M4 or M6 is very reliable camera. Paul > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update
In Canadian Dollar terms (I'm not sure how much in CDN this is costing William.. but I'm guessing.. you can't put a cash value on his frustration and wasted time) a Leica M6 CLA is about $400.00 via a local (Toronto) company that specializes in Leica. Hmm... let's see; fix the brakes on the car or CLA the Leica. Cheers, Dave Original Message: - From: Raimo Korhonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:05:15 +0200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Leica maintenance was: LX repair update Well - I had a CLA done to my M6 but it was long ago and it does not seem to need one now. I got the camera in 1985. Don´t know about the SLRs, though. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 02. elokuuta 2002 19:24 Aihe: Re: Subject: LX repair update >William wrote: > >> I am toying with the idea of selling it all and starting again >> with a Leica system. > >You don't buy Leica to get a maintanance free camera system! > >Pål - mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
People can't see electrons so they equate it with magic pixie dust. No one in their right mind trusts magic dust. From: "Raimo Korhonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nope - electronics are more reliable. The current electronic consumer grade SLRs are incredibly reliable - there was a test in Chasseurs d?Images (F) magazine a couple of years ago. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: Subject: LX repair update
So what are the problems - I´m afraid that mine´s an early one - being possibly the number 2 in Finland. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 02. elokuuta 2002 18:59 Aihe: Re: Subject: LX repair update >Alan wrote: > >> Perhaps Pentax tried too hard on LX and MZ-S? > > >The LX was sucessful from an engineering point of view; in fact; it's their proudest >achievement. The MZ-S, however, suffers from being a rush job. They needed to get the >digital version ready and to do that they had to postpone 35mm slr development in >works. Due to this, they needed the rush a film version of the digital camera (MZ-S) >to fill the obvious hole in the 35mm camera line-up. Hence, early MZ-S's suffers from >some problems. > >Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: Subject: LX repair update
Yeah - and my M6 has not been *totally* reliable - mine is the original E. Leitz Wetzlar M6, not the later Leica Camera Solms one ;-) All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Lukasz Kacperczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 02. elokuuta 2002 18:38 Aihe: RE: Subject: LX repair update >Didn't mean to diminish Leica's ruggedness, but i've heard horror stories >about *brand new* M6's that were faulty. Shouldn't happen with a camera >that's $1,900 (KEH), shouldn't it? > >BTW - I'd love to have a Leica (or rather shoot with it :), but for now my >beautiful Canon P will have to suffice. > >Regards, >Lukasz > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On >Behalf Of Raimo Korhonen >Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:17 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Vs: Subject: LX repair update > > >My M6 has been quite reliable, been once for repairs, the screw that holds >the R lever worked loose and had to be fixed from the inside. I have had it >for 17 years. >The reliablest of my cameras has been the plain ME, 24 years old - but it >has been my spare and not used much. >All the best! >Raimo >Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho > >-Alkuperäinen viesti- >Lähettäjä: Lukasz Kacperczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Päivä: 02. elokuuta 2002 16:38 >Aihe: RE: Subject: LX repair update > > >>After hearing all those stories about how unreliable M6's are? ;) >> >>But then again - who said it would be a M6? >> >>Lukasz >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On >>Behalf Of William Robb >>Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 2:45 AM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: Subject: LX repair update >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: Matjaz Osojnik >>Subject: RE: Subject: LX repair update >> >>> I wonder why you have choosen Nikon, then? >> >>Right now, I am wondering why I chose Pentax over Nikon. >>I am toying with the idea of selling it all and starting again >>with a Leica system. >>William Robb >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Leica maintenance was: LX repair update
Well - I had a CLA done to my M6 but it was long ago and it does not seem to need one now. I got the camera in 1985. Don´t know about the SLRs, though. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Pål Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 02. elokuuta 2002 19:24 Aihe: Re: Subject: LX repair update >William wrote: > >> I am toying with the idea of selling it all and starting again >> with a Leica system. > >You don't buy Leica to get a maintanance free camera system! > >Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
Nope - electronics are more reliable. The current electronic consumer grade SLRs are incredibly reliable - there was a test in Chasseurs d´Images (F) magazine a couple of years ago. Mechanics are repairable, though. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Steve Desjardins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 02. elokuuta 2002 20:05 Aihe: Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update >I'm not sure that camera companies want their high-end cameras to fail >so that users will buy new ones. I'm not even sure that they make much >money from their high-end bodies anyway. I suspect that they hope to >make money from lenses and accessories and have those expensive bodies >contribute mainly to reputation, and most companies rely on people >wanting the new bells and whistles to sell a new high-end camera. (It's >probably really different for the consumer models and the P&S's) The >MZ-S vs. LX lifetimes is an interesting question. The big difference >will probably be due to the technology differences and not quality >control, however. I assume that the MZ-S is far more electronic-based >than the more mechanical LX (I've never really seen an LX, so I'm >assuming it's mainly mechanical given it's vintage). The electronic >approach is probably more fragile. > > > >Steven Desjardins >Department of Chemistry >Washington and Lee University >Lexington, VA 24450 >(540) 458-8873 >FAX: (540) 458-8878 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/02 01:05PM >>> >Pål, > >You bring up some excellent points that are worthy of consideration. >The age of the LX bodies perhaps is the primary cause for problems. >The one fact remains that they are all OLD cameras and will continue >to have old camera problems. Perhaps far less than some other old >cameras, but problems nonetheless. > >Let's hope that on the 35mm front, the MZ-S proves to be a reliable >body. I suspect that it doesn't make economic sense for a company to >build a very expensive body that will last and last. No new sales >that way. So my guess is that the MZ-S will not hold up as well or >long as the LX. > > >Bruce > > > >Friday, August 2, 2002, 9:49:57 AM, you wrote: > >PJ> William wrote: > >>> Mu buddy with the F3 figures the camera was close to free, based >>> on the number of exposure cycles it has given him, with >>> absolutely no input costs other than the initial purchase price. > > >PJ> Has it occured to you that your friend might have been lucky? The >F3 is notoriously for a broken switch. Many Nikon owners prefer the F4 >over the F3 for reliability issues. > > >>> What really annoys me is that they are so unreliable though I >>> don't treat them badly. I live in a dry climate, I don't pound >>> on them, and I don't run a lot of film through them, but I run >>> enough to keep them exercised. They just don't seem as reliable >>> as they should be. > > >PJ> Well, the LX is indeed extremely reliable. That doesn't mean that >some haven't been less than lucky with theirs. Most LX is 10-20 years >old and while most other cameras that vintage end in the >PJ> waste when they breake down, the LX get repaired. Thats why you >hear about LX problems because people care. >PJ> My LX worked for 19 years when it broke down (a broken switch - >luckily both the meter and manual exposure still worked). After repair >and CLA I expect to work faultless for another 19 years. >PJ> It's now 21 years and is the camera I trust the most. And, BTW, my >camera has been used in very wet climate and has been soaked in water >several times. It has survived the abuse of 10 field >PJ> seasons working as a geologist with no protection sharing backpack >space with rock samples. It also has been dropped several times on rock >surfaces. > > > >>> It seems they still don't have the parts in stock to do the >>> repair, they were shipped parts that did not fit my camera. Some >>> modifications were done during the production life, and my >>> camera is one of the ones that was pre modification. > >PJ> In other words you have one of the most complex slr's ever made >that is damn old as well. Get someone to fix it properly and it should >last forever. > >PJ> The fact is that the LX has a better reliability record than the >Pentax 67. It also don't need lubrications as most other cameras (CLA on >an LX is really not necessary since very li
Re: Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
I'm not sure that camera companies want their high-end cameras to fail so that users will buy new ones. I'm not even sure that they make much money from their high-end bodies anyway. I suspect that they hope to make money from lenses and accessories and have those expensive bodies contribute mainly to reputation, and most companies rely on people wanting the new bells and whistles to sell a new high-end camera. (It's probably really different for the consumer models and the P&S's) The MZ-S vs. LX lifetimes is an interesting question. The big difference will probably be due to the technology differences and not quality control, however. I assume that the MZ-S is far more electronic-based than the more mechanical LX (I've never really seen an LX, so I'm assuming it's mainly mechanical given it's vintage). The electronic approach is probably more fragile. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/02/02 01:05PM >>> Pål, You bring up some excellent points that are worthy of consideration. The age of the LX bodies perhaps is the primary cause for problems. The one fact remains that they are all OLD cameras and will continue to have old camera problems. Perhaps far less than some other old cameras, but problems nonetheless. Let's hope that on the 35mm front, the MZ-S proves to be a reliable body. I suspect that it doesn't make economic sense for a company to build a very expensive body that will last and last. No new sales that way. So my guess is that the MZ-S will not hold up as well or long as the LX. Bruce Friday, August 2, 2002, 9:49:57 AM, you wrote: PJ> William wrote: >> Mu buddy with the F3 figures the camera was close to free, based >> on the number of exposure cycles it has given him, with >> absolutely no input costs other than the initial purchase price. PJ> Has it occured to you that your friend might have been lucky? The F3 is notoriously for a broken switch. Many Nikon owners prefer the F4 over the F3 for reliability issues. >> What really annoys me is that they are so unreliable though I >> don't treat them badly. I live in a dry climate, I don't pound >> on them, and I don't run a lot of film through them, but I run >> enough to keep them exercised. They just don't seem as reliable >> as they should be. PJ> Well, the LX is indeed extremely reliable. That doesn't mean that some haven't been less than lucky with theirs. Most LX is 10-20 years old and while most other cameras that vintage end in the PJ> waste when they breake down, the LX get repaired. Thats why you hear about LX problems because people care. PJ> My LX worked for 19 years when it broke down (a broken switch - luckily both the meter and manual exposure still worked). After repair and CLA I expect to work faultless for another 19 years. PJ> It's now 21 years and is the camera I trust the most. And, BTW, my camera has been used in very wet climate and has been soaked in water several times. It has survived the abuse of 10 field PJ> seasons working as a geologist with no protection sharing backpack space with rock samples. It also has been dropped several times on rock surfaces. >> It seems they still don't have the parts in stock to do the >> repair, they were shipped parts that did not fit my camera. Some >> modifications were done during the production life, and my >> camera is one of the ones that was pre modification. PJ> In other words you have one of the most complex slr's ever made that is damn old as well. Get someone to fix it properly and it should last forever. PJ> The fact is that the LX has a better reliability record than the Pentax 67. It also don't need lubrications as most other cameras (CLA on an LX is really not necessary since very little to clean PJ> and lubricate). The most reliable Pentax body is the 645. PJ> People seem to forget that even the newest LX that can be found on the international market is at least 12 years old. The wast majority of LX bodies in existence are from 19-22 years old. In PJ> addition the LX is an extremely complex camera. The so called "common" problems of the LX don't matrialize until the camera approaches 10 years of age (which is far longer than planned obsolence PJ> for most products). All of these problems are age related and are common for other contamporary cameras as well. During the LX sales years, basically the 80's, hardly anyone had heard about PJ> problems with the LX. PJ> It is a bit weird that when a 20 year old LX needs service its because it is a unreliable camera whereas when a 20 year 67 or MX needs service as well, then it is something that has to be PJ> expected of old cameras. PJ> Pål PJ> Pål PJ> - PJ> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, PJ> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to PJ> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.
Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
Pål, You bring up some excellent points that are worthy of consideration. The age of the LX bodies perhaps is the primary cause for problems. The one fact remains that they are all OLD cameras and will continue to have old camera problems. Perhaps far less than some other old cameras, but problems nonetheless. Let's hope that on the 35mm front, the MZ-S proves to be a reliable body. I suspect that it doesn't make economic sense for a company to build a very expensive body that will last and last. No new sales that way. So my guess is that the MZ-S will not hold up as well or long as the LX. Bruce Friday, August 2, 2002, 9:49:57 AM, you wrote: PJ> William wrote: >> Mu buddy with the F3 figures the camera was close to free, based >> on the number of exposure cycles it has given him, with >> absolutely no input costs other than the initial purchase price. PJ> Has it occured to you that your friend might have been lucky? The F3 is notoriously for a broken switch. Many Nikon owners prefer the F4 over the F3 for reliability issues. >> What really annoys me is that they are so unreliable though I >> don't treat them badly. I live in a dry climate, I don't pound >> on them, and I don't run a lot of film through them, but I run >> enough to keep them exercised. They just don't seem as reliable >> as they should be. PJ> Well, the LX is indeed extremely reliable. That doesn't mean that some haven't been less than lucky with theirs. Most LX is 10-20 years old and while most other cameras that vintage end in the PJ> waste when they breake down, the LX get repaired. Thats why you hear about LX problems because people care. PJ> My LX worked for 19 years when it broke down (a broken switch - luckily both the meter and manual exposure still worked). After repair and CLA I expect to work faultless for another 19 years. PJ> It's now 21 years and is the camera I trust the most. And, BTW, my camera has been used in very wet climate and has been soaked in water several times. It has survived the abuse of 10 field PJ> seasons working as a geologist with no protection sharing backpack space with rock samples. It also has been dropped several times on rock surfaces. >> It seems they still don't have the parts in stock to do the >> repair, they were shipped parts that did not fit my camera. Some >> modifications were done during the production life, and my >> camera is one of the ones that was pre modification. PJ> In other words you have one of the most complex slr's ever made that is damn old as well. Get someone to fix it properly and it should last forever. PJ> The fact is that the LX has a better reliability record than the Pentax 67. It also don't need lubrications as most other cameras (CLA on an LX is really not necessary since very little to clean PJ> and lubricate). The most reliable Pentax body is the 645. PJ> People seem to forget that even the newest LX that can be found on the international market is at least 12 years old. The wast majority of LX bodies in existence are from 19-22 years old. In PJ> addition the LX is an extremely complex camera. The so called "common" problems of the LX don't matrialize until the camera approaches 10 years of age (which is far longer than planned obsolence PJ> for most products). All of these problems are age related and are common for other contamporary cameras as well. During the LX sales years, basically the 80's, hardly anyone had heard about PJ> problems with the LX. PJ> It is a bit weird that when a 20 year old LX needs service its because it is a unreliable camera whereas when a 20 year 67 or MX needs service as well, then it is something that has to be PJ> expected of old cameras. PJ> Pål PJ> Pål PJ> - PJ> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, PJ> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to PJ> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
Bruce wrote: > You're not alone. I have resisted buying one for quite some time > based largely on how much I read about it's problems. You don't hear > nearly as much about problems with MX's or SuperPrograms, etc. Thats because people don't bother repairing ME's and Super Programs. The Pentax repair center here in Norway have tons of part cameras that the owners didn't bother using money on. They are used to scavenge parts. There were no LX among them as everyone of them get repaired. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
Alan wrote: > Perhaps Pentax tried too hard on LX and MZ-S? The LX was sucessful from an engineering point of view; in fact; it's their proudest achievement. The MZ-S, however, suffers from being a rush job. They needed to get the digital version ready and to do that they had to postpone 35mm slr development in works. Due to this, they needed the rush a film version of the digital camera (MZ-S) to fill the obvious hole in the 35mm camera line-up. Hence, early MZ-S's suffers from some problems. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
William wrote: > I am toying with the idea of selling it all and starting again > with a Leica system. You don't buy Leica to get a maintanance free camera system! Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Vs: Subject: LX repair update
Pentax and Leica RF systems complement each other well. If I was buying now I´d get Voigtländer Bessa R instead - for much less money. All the best! Raimo Personal photography homepage at http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Vastaanottaja: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Päivä: 02. elokuuta 2002 2:35 Aihe: Re: Subject: LX repair update >- Original Message - >From: Matjaz Osojnik >Subject: RE: Subject: LX repair update > >> I wonder why you have choosen Nikon, then? > >Right now, I am wondering why I chose Pentax over Nikon. >I am toying with the idea of selling it all and starting again >with a Leica system. >William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
I sometimes wonder if you guy's really have the same camera model I use. At 11:21 PM 8/1/2002 -0700, you wrote: >>I have found the LX's i've owned to be quite unreliable also and they seem >>to enjoy the company of my service tech, in fact my remaining was is there >>right now :). I found the MZ-S pretty unreliable also. Although my first >>MZ5n was super reliable never missed a beat and i gave it hell. (not the one >>i sold you Cory:) >> >>Dont worry we'll still let you hand around if you switch to Leica :) > >Perhaps Pentax tried too hard on LX and MZ-S? Glad I still have my Z-1p. > >regards, >Alan Chan > > >_ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com >- >This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, >go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to >visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[3]: Subject: LX repair update
On 2 Aug 2002 at 8:27, Bob Walkden wrote: > Hi, > > well, to even up the score a bit I've had 3 LXs, 4 or 5 MXs and a > Super A (Super Program), and they all had problems at some time in > their careers. I bought my first LX specifically to replace an MX I > had problems with. (Frying pan -> fire). C'mon Bob, tell us about the LX in the gutter scuffle :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[3]: Subject: LX repair update
Hi, well, to even up the score a bit I've had 3 LXs, 4 or 5 MXs and a Super A (Super Program), and they all had problems at some time in their careers. I bought my first LX specifically to replace an MX I had problems with. (Frying pan -> fire). For Bill's benefit, I haven't had any problems with my 34- and 43-year old Leicas yet . --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Friday, August 2, 2002, 5:09:53 AM, you wrote: > Alan, > You're not alone. I have resisted buying one for quite some time > based largely on how much I read about it's problems. You don't hear > nearly as much about problems with MX's or SuperPrograms, etc. > Bruce - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
Gee, I've never had a single problem with my LX. In fact, I've never had a serious problem with any Pentax camera I've owned. That's about 16 years worth of picture taking. Granted I'm not a pro and I don't use my gear on a daily basis but not a single camera body issue that required service in that length of time is a damn good record. I have had a wonky meter in a K1000 that liked to conk out in the vertical position (typical) and a slightly warped Super A lens mount. That's it. I ignored the first problem and swapped out the mount in the second. Maybe I'm blessed. Knock wood. -Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
>I have found the LX's i've owned to be quite unreliable also and they seem >to enjoy the company of my service tech, in fact my remaining was is there >right now :). I found the MZ-S pretty unreliable also. Although my first >MZ5n was super reliable never missed a beat and i gave it hell. (not the >one >i sold you Cory:) > >Dont worry we'll still let you hand around if you switch to Leica :) Perhaps Pentax tried too hard on LX and MZ-S? Glad I still have my Z-1p. regards, Alan Chan _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
I have found the LX's i've owned to be quite unreliable also and they seem to enjoy the company of my service tech, in fact my remaining was is there right now :). I found the MZ-S pretty unreliable also. Although my first MZ5n was super reliable never missed a beat and i gave it hell. (not the one i sold you Cory:) Dont worry we'll still let you hand around if you switch to Leica :) Regards, Paul - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Subject: LX repair update > - Original Message - > From: Matjaz Osojnik > Subject: RE: Subject: LX repair update > > > > > > > > > I wonder why you have choosen Nikon, then? > > Right now, I am wondering why I chose Pentax over Nikon. > I am toying with the idea of selling it all and starting again > with a Leica system. > William Robb > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Subject: LX repair update
Alan, You're not alone. I have resisted buying one for quite some time based largely on how much I read about it's problems. You don't hear nearly as much about problems with MX's or SuperPrograms, etc. Bruce Thursday, August 1, 2002, 9:03:28 PM, you wrote: AC> It's good to know there is someone who shares my view on the LX. AC> regards, AC> Alan Chan >>I was talking to the fellow who I sold my F3 to when I was >>financing the move to Pentax. He is a busy working pro, and >>figures in the past 15 years since he bought the camera he has >>put about 10,000 rolls of film through it. The thing has never >>seen a repair shop, and has worked flawlessly for him. I >>probably ran a couple of thousand rolls through it myself, with >>no trouble, so it has seen a whole bunch of use. >>The F2 that I owned prior to the F3 went to hell and beyond for >>me, and faithfully served me for 10 years, then served it's next >>owner just as faithfully for another 16 years until a boating >>accident finally killed it. >>Up until then, it was in the repair shop once, 6 months after >>going naked through the windscreen of my car at close to 50 MPH >> >>Meanwhile, my LX's seem to last about a year and a half between >>expensive repair jobs. >>I do like them, but I am glad I don't have to depend on them to >>put food on the table. >>I am also glad I am able to afford to keep them in the >>gentrified lifestyle they demand. >> >>My 3 LX's will cost in excess of $1200.00 this year in repairs. >>Based on the amount of film I shoot with them, and the repair >>frequency, I figure I am paying about $12.00 per roll of film, >>plus the cost of the film and processing, for the pleasure of >>using Pentax's finest camera bodies. >>Mu buddy with the F3 figures the camera was close to free, based >>on the number of exposure cycles it has given him, with >>absolutely no input costs other than the initial purchase price. >>What really annoys me is that they are so unreliable though I >>don't treat them badly. I live in a dry climate, I don't pound >>on them, and I don't run a lot of film through them, but I run >>enough to keep them exercised. They just don't seem as reliable >>as they should be. >> >>I did talk to the Pentax service manager today. He seemed quite >>annoyed with my plight, including apologizing for his staff >>member lying to me (his words, not mine). >>It seems they still don't have the parts in stock to do the >>repair, they were shipped parts that did not fit my camera. Some >>modifications were done during the production life, and my >>camera is one of the ones that was pre modification. >>He seems to think it is repairable, but he doesn't know quite >>how long it will take. >> >>Thanks >>William Robb AC> _ AC> MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: AC> http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx AC> - AC> This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, AC> go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to AC> visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
It's good to know there is someone who shares my view on the LX. regards, Alan Chan >I was talking to the fellow who I sold my F3 to when I was >financing the move to Pentax. He is a busy working pro, and >figures in the past 15 years since he bought the camera he has >put about 10,000 rolls of film through it. The thing has never >seen a repair shop, and has worked flawlessly for him. I >probably ran a couple of thousand rolls through it myself, with >no trouble, so it has seen a whole bunch of use. >The F2 that I owned prior to the F3 went to hell and beyond for >me, and faithfully served me for 10 years, then served it's next >owner just as faithfully for another 16 years until a boating >accident finally killed it. >Up until then, it was in the repair shop once, 6 months after >going naked through the windscreen of my car at close to 50 MPH > >Meanwhile, my LX's seem to last about a year and a half between >expensive repair jobs. >I do like them, but I am glad I don't have to depend on them to >put food on the table. >I am also glad I am able to afford to keep them in the >gentrified lifestyle they demand. > >My 3 LX's will cost in excess of $1200.00 this year in repairs. >Based on the amount of film I shoot with them, and the repair >frequency, I figure I am paying about $12.00 per roll of film, >plus the cost of the film and processing, for the pleasure of >using Pentax's finest camera bodies. >Mu buddy with the F3 figures the camera was close to free, based >on the number of exposure cycles it has given him, with >absolutely no input costs other than the initial purchase price. >What really annoys me is that they are so unreliable though I >don't treat them badly. I live in a dry climate, I don't pound >on them, and I don't run a lot of film through them, but I run >enough to keep them exercised. They just don't seem as reliable >as they should be. > >I did talk to the Pentax service manager today. He seemed quite >annoyed with my plight, including apologizing for his staff >member lying to me (his words, not mine). >It seems they still don't have the parts in stock to do the >repair, they were shipped parts that did not fit my camera. Some >modifications were done during the production life, and my >camera is one of the ones that was pre modification. >He seems to think it is repairable, but he doesn't know quite >how long it will take. > >Thanks >William Robb _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
On 1 Aug 2002 at 18:44, William Robb wrote: > Right now, I am wondering why I chose Pentax over Nikon. > I am toying with the idea of selling it all and starting again > with a Leica system. > William Robb Har! SLR or M, out of the pan and into the fire! Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
- Original Message - From: Matjaz Osojnik Subject: RE: Subject: LX repair update > > > > I wonder why you have choosen Nikon, then? Right now, I am wondering why I chose Pentax over Nikon. I am toying with the idea of selling it all and starting again with a Leica system. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: LX repair update
- Original Message - From: Rubenstein, Bruce M (Bruce) Subject: RE: Subject: LX repair update > Bill, this is where I really sympathize with you. You have to put up with enough crap shooting with Pentax, and then they wind up sticking it to you too. After a certain point you've had enough and want to deal with a company that takes their business seriously, and not some kind of hobby. I was talking to the fellow who I sold my F3 to when I was financing the move to Pentax. He is a busy working pro, and figures in the past 15 years since he bought the camera he has put about 10,000 rolls of film through it. The thing has never seen a repair shop, and has worked flawlessly for him. I probably ran a couple of thousand rolls through it myself, with no trouble, so it has seen a whole bunch of use. The F2 that I owned prior to the F3 went to hell and beyond for me, and faithfully served me for 10 years, then served it's next owner just as faithfully for another 16 years until a boating accident finally killed it. Up until then, it was in the repair shop once, 6 months after going naked through the windscreen of my car at close to 50 MPH Meanwhile, my LX's seem to last about a year and a half between expensive repair jobs. I do like them, but I am glad I don't have to depend on them to put food on the table. I am also glad I am able to afford to keep them in the gentrified lifestyle they demand. My 3 LX's will cost in excess of $1200.00 this year in repairs. Based on the amount of film I shoot with them, and the repair frequency, I figure I am paying about $12.00 per roll of film, plus the cost of the film and processing, for the pleasure of using Pentax's finest camera bodies. Mu buddy with the F3 figures the camera was close to free, based on the number of exposure cycles it has given him, with absolutely no input costs other than the initial purchase price. What really annoys me is that they are so unreliable though I don't treat them badly. I live in a dry climate, I don't pound on them, and I don't run a lot of film through them, but I run enough to keep them exercised. They just don't seem as reliable as they should be. I did talk to the Pentax service manager today. He seemed quite annoyed with my plight, including apologizing for his staff member lying to me (his words, not mine). It seems they still don't have the parts in stock to do the repair, they were shipped parts that did not fit my camera. Some modifications were done during the production life, and my camera is one of the ones that was pre modification. He seems to think it is repairable, but he doesn't know quite how long it will take. Thanks William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX repair update
William, Sorry tale. Wish you luck with those dopey people. It stinks when you send your equipment to the manufacturer for repair becasue you assume they know what they're doing repair-wise only to find out that their customer service is sooo bad. I'd ask for a heafty discount, like the labor charge. See if you can't get them to charge you for parts only. Seems fair to me. -Brendan MacRae - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: LX repair update
Time to take your mouth "out of check" Bill. Keep us posted. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax Discuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: LX repair update > My 3rd LX is still in the shop (PCI, Mississauga). They have had > it since the middle of May. > They have been telling me for the past couple of weeks it would > be shipped soon, and last Monday, they told me it would ship on > Wednesday. Since I hadn't received it on Monday, I decided to > call them, in case the box had perhaps gone astray (it would be > an overnight courier shipment). > The repair person apologized, and told me it had, in fact, been > shipped last Friday. > Since it is now Wednesday, and still no LX, I called Pentax > again today. After being bounced from parts to shipping, and > having them hang up on me a few times I finally connected with > the service manager. > Through all of this, I actually held my temper and my stupid > insulting mouth in check. No sense antagonizing them > unnecessarily. > I asked him to look into it, and find out what shipper they had > used, and to get me a tracking number. > He left a message on my answering machine saying that the camera > was not yet repaired, and they didn't even have the correct > parts yet to complete the job. > > So, I have now been lied to by the Pentax service department. > > I have to wonder if their next trick will be to decide they > cannot repair the thing at all, and rather than admit they are > in violation of Canadian consumer laws, they will just quietly > arrange to have the camera get lost in shipping. > Needless to say, I have to wonder if the Pentax Colorado people > from a couple of years back emigrated to Toronto. > Anyway, I needed to vent, and for a change, I am on topic. > William Robb > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
LX repair update
My 3rd LX is still in the shop (PCI, Mississauga). They have had it since the middle of May. They have been telling me for the past couple of weeks it would be shipped soon, and last Monday, they told me it would ship on Wednesday. Since I hadn't received it on Monday, I decided to call them, in case the box had perhaps gone astray (it would be an overnight courier shipment). The repair person apologized, and told me it had, in fact, been shipped last Friday. Since it is now Wednesday, and still no LX, I called Pentax again today. After being bounced from parts to shipping, and having them hang up on me a few times I finally connected with the service manager. Through all of this, I actually held my temper and my stupid insulting mouth in check. No sense antagonizing them unnecessarily. I asked him to look into it, and find out what shipper they had used, and to get me a tracking number. He left a message on my answering machine saying that the camera was not yet repaired, and they didn't even have the correct parts yet to complete the job. So, I have now been lied to by the Pentax service department. I have to wonder if their next trick will be to decide they cannot repair the thing at all, and rather than admit they are in violation of Canadian consumer laws, they will just quietly arrange to have the camera get lost in shipping. Needless to say, I have to wonder if the Pentax Colorado people from a couple of years back emigrated to Toronto. Anyway, I needed to vent, and for a change, I am on topic. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
