Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Rob Studdert]

On 26 January 2011 04:45, John Sessoms  wrote:

> I'm open to suggestions, but I really can't afford anything at this time
> that's not free-ware.

I gave up on freeware options a while back, too many compromises, I
have been using Allway Sync http://allwaysync.com/index.html for quite
a few years now (though I wish I had bought the portable version) ,
I've migrated it to a new machine but to give you an idea of how it's
benefited me here is a screen shot of the usage stats from my old
system http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9304908/allway-sync-graphics.gif

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Ken Waller]

I eight backups


So how did they taste?

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On 24/1/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:


No, it's time to make sure she has two backups.  And  new primary drive.


Let's not hold back here. I eight backups, one located on each continent
AND one in orbit. Yes I know I could do better

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[John Sessoms]

I think I've now got all of my digital photos consolidated on the N.A.S. 
Had the transfers from my plethora of USB drives running all day long 
yesterday. I mean REALLY all day LONG!


I gave up and went to bed about 2:30am and some of them were still 
copying files over at that time. They were done when I checked the 
progress this morning.


Set it to auto-resolve the conflicts, so I've got to go through six 
years of photos now and remove the excess duplication.


Then I'll be ready to start wiping the duplicate USB drives and making 
real backups on them. I guess what I'm going to need now is a good 
program for synchronizing the data on different drives.


I'm open to suggestions, but I really can't afford anything at this time 
that's not free-ware.




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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[John Sessoms]

From: steve harley

On 2011-01-24 16:55 , John Sessoms wrote:



> The internet sales tax is about 1/2% more than
> the sales tax on local purchases.

oh, you have to pay that? how does NC know?



They don't. That's why it's so screwy.

It's included on the state's personal income tax return form. Unless you 
state a specific amount, you have to pay the tax on a percentage of your 
adjusted gross income. There's a formula in the instructions you're 
supposed to use to calculate the taxable amount.


The idea is the calculated amount represents the portion of disposable 
income an "average person" spends on-line. It's really just a wild 
guesstimate.


Like I said "screwy" ... because I'm to polite to say it's FUCKED UP!

Either you pay "sales tax" on the calculated amount or you have to state 
a specific amount you spent on-line during the year and pay the tax on 
that amount. If you state a specific amount, you're supposed to have 
receipts to back it up.


I'm not so good at keeping track of those receipts.

Zero is a nice, round number; a specific dollar amount I'm happy with, 
and I don't mind paying the internet sales tax on that amount ... but I 
won't risk lying about it. The back taxes, interest and penalties would 
be expensive if I got caught.


So, if I have a choice of buying locally or buying over the internet, I 
buy locally so that I've already paid the sales tax. I'm trying to keep 
my internet spending to zero so I won't have any problems entering that 
number on my state income tax return. Makes for fewer receipts I have to 
keep track of.


I think there are court cases pending against the tax, but unless/until 
they're resolved in favor of the taxpayer, the state is allowed to 
continue collecting the tax while it's still in dispute.


BTW, they also expect you to pay the tax (NC calls it a "USE TAX") on 
physical purchases you make while on traveling outside of North 
Carolina; anything purchased while out of state that you bring back to 
North Carolina to USE.


If you buy souvenir T-shirts while you're on vacation, you're supposed 
to pay the internet sales tax on those as well. Run out of toothpaste 
while you're away and buy a new tube that lasts until you get home ... 
NC says you're supposed to pay NC internet tax on that purchase.


Did I mention it's screwy, and that it pisses me off?


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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[P. J. Alling]

On 1/25/2011 5:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jan 25, 2011, at 2:34 AM, Cotty wrote:


On 24/1/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:


No, it's time to make sure she has two backups.  And  new primary drive.

Let's not hold back here. I eight backups, one located on each continent
AND one in orbit. Yes I know I could do better

Is that eight copies of each format you save them in? Or is each copy in a 
different format: hard drive, punched tape, printouts of hex dumps, microfiche, 
Hollerith cards ... ?


I think he means eight copies of COTTY!



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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Boris Liberman]

Unfathomable are ways of tao of backup...

/grin/

On 1/25/2011 12:07 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

On 11-01-24 4:49 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:

On 2011-01-24 12:33, Boris Liberman wrote:

Apparently it promotes some kind of product but I don't care about it,
and neither should you. I used to work for EMC on one of their remote
backup solutions, so it was a bit of professionally related to me. So
disregarding the promo, it seems to make a reasonably funny reading.


The ultimate irony is that if you click the "Veracity" links, they try
to take you to www.veracity.com, but it redirects to another site,
upon which there is not one shred of evidence that Veracity ever existed.



The company that developed Veracity (started by the guy who maintains
that site) was sold to ADIC, a tape backup firm, and ADIC was later
swallowed by Quantum. Not too surprising that the Veracity s/w doesn't
exist anymore.

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 25, 2011, at 2:34 AM, Cotty wrote:

> On 24/1/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> No, it's time to make sure she has two backups.  And  new primary drive.
> 
> Let's not hold back here. I eight backups, one located on each continent
> AND one in orbit. Yes I know I could do better

Is that eight copies of each format you save them in? Or is each copy in a 
different format: hard drive, punched tape, printouts of hex dumps, microfiche, 
Hollerith cards ... ?


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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Cotty]

On 24/1/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>No, it's time to make sure she has two backups.  And  new primary drive.

Let's not hold back here. I eight backups, one located on each continent
AND one in orbit. Yes I know I could do better

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Charles Robinson]

On Jan 24, 2011, at 19:52, steve harley wrote:

> On 2011-01-24 16:55 , John Sessoms wrote:
>> From: steve harley
>>> On 2011-01-24 10:35 , John Sessoms wrote:
 > Following my own advice, I bought a NAS box and two 1.5TB drives
 > yesterday when I went home to Raleigh. I configured it as RAID1
 > (mirrored) this morning.
 >
 > The 1.5TB drives (Seagate Barracuda) were $80 each; 2TB drives would
 > have been $180 each.
>>> since a NAS is inherently limited by your network speed, fastest drives
>>> are not crucial -- the Samsung 2TB drives for $80 at NewEgg are what i'd
>>> recommend (i'll forgo my anecdotal evidence)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> It wasn't the speed of the hard-disks. It was the availability.
> 
> ah, ok, fair enough; it's just when you posted the prices i thought people 
> should know their options
> 
>> The internet sales tax is about 1/2% more than
>> the sales tax on local purchases.
> 
> oh, you have to pay that? how does NC know?
> 

Yeah - sales tax is "required" for Internet purchases here in MN, too.  Not 
sure how it's meant to be enforced, though.

Some vendors note the shipping address and charge the tax.  Some.  Most don't!

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[steve harley]

On 2011-01-24 16:55 , John Sessoms wrote:

From: steve harley

On 2011-01-24 10:35 , John Sessoms wrote:

> Following my own advice, I bought a NAS box and two 1.5TB drives
> yesterday when I went home to Raleigh. I configured it as RAID1
> (mirrored) this morning.
>
> The 1.5TB drives (Seagate Barracuda) were $80 each; 2TB drives would
> have been $180 each.

since a NAS is inherently limited by your network speed, fastest drives
are not crucial -- the Samsung 2TB drives for $80 at NewEgg are what i'd
recommend (i'll forgo my anecdotal evidence)





It wasn't the speed of the hard-disks. It was the availability.


ah, ok, fair enough; it's just when you posted the prices i thought 
people should know their options



The internet sales tax is about 1/2% more than
the sales tax on local purchases.


oh, you have to pay that? how does NC know?

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Paul Stenquist]

On Jan 24, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> 
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:53 PM, steve harley wrote:
> 
>> On 2011-01-22 22:50 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>>> 
>>> Geez .. with all that I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall
>>> socket... let it cool off...
>>> replugged... and
>>> 
>>> I got it all back
>> 
>> congrats; now it's time to make sure you have a backup
> 
> No, it's time to make sure she has two backups.  And  new primary drive.

One step at a time -- unless you're paying:-).

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[John Sessoms]

From: steve harley

On 2011-01-24 10:35 , John Sessoms wrote:

> Following my own advice, I bought a NAS box and two 1.5TB drives
> yesterday when I went home to Raleigh. I configured it as RAID1
> (mirrored) this morning.
>
> The 1.5TB drives (Seagate Barracuda) were $80 each; 2TB drives would
> have been $180 each.

since a NAS is inherently limited by your network speed, fastest drives
are not crucial -- the Samsung 2TB drives for $80 at NewEgg are what i'd
recommend (i'll forgo my anecdotal evidence)





It wasn't the speed of the hard-disks. It was the availability.

The store had two brands of 1.5TB drives priced at $80 - WD & Seagate. 
Based on past experience, I'd rather have the Seagate.


They also had two brands of 2TB drives in stock - WD & Seagate. Same 
price, $180, for either. An extra 500GB wasn't worth spending $200 more 
right now.


The price from Newegg looks great, but there are two benefits to me from 
purchasing when & where I did:


1. I purchased at a brick & mortar location here in NC, so I paid NC 
sales tax at the time of purchase and I don't have to screw around with 
NC's internet sales tax. The internet sales tax is about 1/2% more than 
the sales tax on local purchases.


It just gets my goat every year. The less I buy over the internet the 
less I have to deal with something that pisses me off.


2. I'm not waiting for UPS to leave the damn box sitting outside my door 
sometime next week where it can be stolen. I walked out of the store 
with the hardware I wanted and I've already got it installed, up and 
running.


One thing I have noticed is I accumulated something like 10 USB external 
hard-disks, and I have the same folders backed up in multiple places. 
But none of the backups are in sync.


I'll have the "same" image folder on two or three different drives, but 
only something like 75% of the files in those folders match. Each 
instance of the folder is missing some file that is in one of the other 
instances on a different drive.


The older the images, the worse it gets. I have one folder from 5Nov2004 
that contains the photos I took of the Guy Fawkes Day fireworks from 
Glasgow Scotland. It's duplicated on 5 different hard-disks. But 4 of 
those disks have a gap with about 100 images missing. Only 1 of the 5 
has those 100 images on there. But that drive is missing images I took 
before and after the fireworks.


I'm like a pirate with a ships-wheel sticking out of the waist of my 
trousers ... it's driving me nuts! Agh!



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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Larry Colen]

On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:53 PM, steve harley wrote:

> On 2011-01-22 22:50 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>> 
>> Geez .. with all that I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall
>> socket... let it cool off...
>> replugged... and
>> 
>> I got it all back
> 
> congrats; now it's time to make sure you have a backup

No, it's time to make sure she has two backups.  And  new primary drive.


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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Ann Sanfedele]

I got a 1TB seagate with insurance past the warranty date from Staples 
for $69 including tax...  -about to open  the box.


I'll have some tech help on recovery either tonight or tomorrow night - 
I realize more than just the recent ist D stuff is missing from

that external  drive or hiding somewhere on it.

ann


steve harley wrote:


On 2011-01-24 10:35 , John Sessoms wrote:


Following my own advice, I bought a NAS box and two 1.5TB drives
yesterday when I went home to Raleigh. I configured it as RAID1
(mirrored) this morning.

The 1.5TB drives (Seagate Barracuda) were $80 each; 2TB drives would
have been $180 each.



since a NAS is inherently limited by your network speed, fastest 
drives are not crucial -- the Samsung 2TB drives for $80 at NewEgg are 
what i'd recommend (i'll forgo my anecdotal evidence)









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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Bruce Walker]

On 11-01-24 4:49 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:

On 2011-01-24 12:33, Boris Liberman wrote:

Apparently it promotes some kind of product but I don't care about it,
and neither should you. I used to work for EMC on one of their remote
backup solutions, so it was a bit of professionally related to me. So
disregarding the promo, it seems to make a reasonably funny reading.


The ultimate irony is that if you click the "Veracity" links, they try 
to take you to www.veracity.com, but it redirects to another site, 
upon which there is not one shred of evidence that Veracity ever existed.




The company that developed Veracity (started by the guy who maintains 
that site) was sold to ADIC, a tape backup firm, and ADIC was later 
swallowed by Quantum. Not too surprising that the Veracity s/w doesn't 
exist anymore.


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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Doug Franklin]

On 2011-01-24 12:33, Boris Liberman wrote:

Apparently it promotes some kind of product but I don't care about it,
and neither should you. I used to work for EMC on one of their remote
backup solutions, so it was a bit of professionally related to me. So
disregarding the promo, it seems to make a reasonably funny reading.


The ultimate irony is that if you click the "Veracity" links, they try 
to take you to www.veracity.com, but it redirects to another site, upon 
which there is not one shred of evidence that Veracity ever existed.


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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[steve harley]

On 2011-01-24 10:35 , John Sessoms wrote:

Following my own advice, I bought a NAS box and two 1.5TB drives
yesterday when I went home to Raleigh. I configured it as RAID1
(mirrored) this morning.

The 1.5TB drives (Seagate Barracuda) were $80 each; 2TB drives would
have been $180 each.


since a NAS is inherently limited by your network speed, fastest drives 
are not crucial -- the Samsung 2TB drives for $80 at NewEgg are what i'd 
recommend (i'll forgo my anecdotal evidence)





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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[John Sessoms]

Following my own advice, I bought a NAS box and two 1.5TB drives 
yesterday when I went home to Raleigh. I configured it as RAID1 
(mirrored) this morning.


The 1.5TB drives (Seagate Barracuda) were $80 each; 2TB drives would 
have been $180 each.


I needed more storage space for this computer. This was my primary 
computer up until 2007 when I got my current laptop. It's got a 200GB 
hard-disk, and it's almost full. There's only room enough in the case 
for one hard-disk.


There wasn't enough room for me to bring in my photos from 2008 - 2010 
or to add anything for 2011. I've been doing the USB swap boogie, which 
doesn't work all that well given my natural laziness. I haven't been 
getting any work done because it was such a hassle to get the right 
backup drive connected.


Having "permanent" disk space now should alleviate that. Files are being 
copied while I write.


And, it's going to free up a bunch of USB drives so I can do a better 
job of "walking the walk" when it comes to keeping "off-site" backups.



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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Boris Liberman]

Apparently it promotes some kind of product but I don't care about it,
and neither should you. I used to work for EMC on one of their remote
backup solutions, so it was a bit of professionally related to me. So
disregarding the promo, it seems to make a reasonably funny reading.

I sincerely hope that your backup/storage troubles are totally behind
you at this moment of time.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> that was both hillarious and painful!
>
> ann
>
> Boris Liberman wrote:
>
>> On 1/24/2011 3:40 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>>
>>> I have to tell you guys that I used to be the queen of backup when I was
>>> working spec writing - and in the first few years of
>>> working on photos and nothing else, but I've gotten sloppy in my
>>> dotage... takes a wake up call..
>>
>>
>> Well, I hope this will bring a bit of smile to your face, Ann:
>>
>> http://www.taobackup.com/
>>
>> Boris
>>
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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Ann Sanfedele]

that was both hillarious and painful!

ann

Boris Liberman wrote:


On 1/24/2011 3:40 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


I have to tell you guys that I used to be the queen of backup when I was
working spec writing - and in the first few years of
working on photos and nothing else, but I've gotten sloppy in my
dotage... takes a wake up call..



Well, I hope this will bring a bit of smile to your face, Ann:

http://www.taobackup.com/

Boris





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[Boris Liberman]

On 1/24/2011 3:40 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

I have to tell you guys that I used to be the queen of backup when I was
working spec writing - and in the first few years of
working on photos and nothing else, but I've gotten sloppy in my
dotage... takes a wake up call..


Well, I hope this will bring a bit of smile to your face, Ann:

http://www.taobackup.com/

Boris

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[Steven Desjardins]

Great,  You are again the Queen of Backup.  Assuming that's a good thing ;-)

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> I have to tell you guys that I used to be the queen of backup when I was
> working spec writing -  and in the first few years of
> working on photos and nothing else, but I've gotten sloppy in my dotage...
> takes a wake up call..
>
> Except that I have almost nothing that  I shot in January with the ist D  ,
>  everything else seems to be on the drive... I'm
> copying off the critical time frames on the other external.. and I'll go get
> myself more gigs tomorrow.
> I decided I needed to escape so went to the park and shot a couple of things
>  and I'm doing my work on my C drive... I've
> got an acceptable mode of getting the files into a base folder.  The
> friendliest software is ACDSee For Pentax 3.0  -  I had problems with the
> Pentax browser and lab  - specific error stuff I can't remember now.
> I did shoot about 30 frames with the formated disk... and I got a nice phone
> call
> that was helpful from a list lurker I've kinda known for a while whose help
> was
> invaluable -- it is so much easier for me to get the info into my head with
> back and forth
> talking 
>
> He mentioned several possible  good recovery things...  one of which was
> your suggestion.
>
> But tonight I'm relaxin ...
> IF you are on facebook, I put the photo news thingy with a link  there..
> some of you spotted it...
>
> but if you arent the bottom line is  a bunch of my photos from NY in the
> 70's are in this brief preview of a coming documentary
> (and , of course, will be in the finished product )  six of them are at the
> very beginning if you watch the vid... and two of them
> are shown on the page with the text.  I found out about it from one of the
> guys whose
> graffitti adorns the wall in the background.   The photos were purchased
> almost 5 years ago when I had a diffferent web page
> and email or I'd probably have heard more about it from the director
> /producer sooner.  We are back in touch now.
> He  is fixing the credit to read Photo by Ann Sanfedele  - at the moment the
> credit says Photo Courtesy of Ann Sanfedel  (no "e')
> sigh.   The other BW photo on the article is mine, but not the color one of
> the Bandshell.
>
> Here is the link to that:
> http://dv-arts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=191&Itemid=191
>
> ann
>
> Rob Studdert wrote:
>
>> On 24 January 2011 05:08, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I got back most of the stuff already, but nothing that I took in
>>> January...
>>> good thing I got the photo submitted to the
>>> book and the gallery and up on smugmug.   I had accidentally reformatted
>>> the
>>> 2 gig cf card in the Pentax  - Yes I knew I was reformatting, I jsut
>>> forgot
>>> that I had the good stuff on that card and that was before the drive
>>> crashed.
>>>
>>> I'll accept crossed fingers...   There is some goodnews about my photos
>>> but
>>> I'll save that for another post
>>>
>>
>> Good stuff, you mentioned before it worked after you left it
>> unplugged? Something that's not been considered yet is that the
>> external power supply could be on its way out? I have a 500GB
>> Freeagent drive of about the same vintage and it hasn't skipped a
>> beat, no errors and I regularly test it, I have a near new eternal
>> Iomega drive next to me and it's toast and I had a WD enterprise
>> server drive fail the other day. In other words it's a crapshoot, all
>> drives can fail, all you have to do is learn not to trust them! ;-) I
>> always have my data on two drives and when I get enough data to fill a
>> DVD I burn one of those off for safekeeping too, it's tedious but can
>> save you a great deal of heartache later. If you haven't shot on the
>> formatted card yet (or even if you have) there are a few programs that
>> you can run to recover files from it. I've got back deleted *istD
>> files from my old CF card a few times using
>> http://www.pcinspector.de/default.htm?language=1
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Paul Stenquist]

Excellent! Congratulations.
Paul
On Jan 23, 2011, at 8:40 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> I have to tell you guys that I used to be the queen of backup when I was 
> working spec writing -  and in the first few years of
> working on photos and nothing else, but I've gotten sloppy in my dotage... 
> takes a wake up call..
> 
> Except that I have almost nothing that  I shot in January with the ist D  ,  
> everything else seems to be on the drive... I'm
> copying off the critical time frames on the other external.. and I'll go get 
> myself more gigs tomorrow.  
> I decided I needed to escape so went to the park and shot a couple of things  
> and I'm doing my work on my C drive... I've
> got an acceptable mode of getting the files into a base folder.  The 
> friendliest software is ACDSee For Pentax 3.0  -  I had problems with the 
> Pentax browser and lab  - specific error stuff I can't remember now.  
> I did shoot about 30 frames with the formated disk... and I got a nice phone 
> call
> that was helpful from a list lurker I've kinda known for a while whose help 
> was
> invaluable -- it is so much easier for me to get the info into my head with 
> back and forth
> talking 
> 
> He mentioned several possible  good recovery things...  one of which was your 
> suggestion.
> 
> But tonight I'm relaxin ...
> IF you are on facebook, I put the photo news thingy with a link  there.. some 
> of you spotted it...
> 
> but if you arent the bottom line is  a bunch of my photos from NY in the 70's 
> are in this brief preview of a coming documentary
> (and , of course, will be in the finished product )  six of them are at the 
> very beginning if you watch the vid... and two of them
> are shown on the page with the text.  I found out about it from one of the 
> guys whose
> graffitti adorns the wall in the background.   The photos were purchased 
> almost 5 years ago when I had a diffferent web page
> and email or I'd probably have heard more about it from the director 
> /producer sooner.  We are back in touch now.
> He  is fixing the credit to read Photo by Ann Sanfedele  - at the moment the 
> credit says Photo Courtesy of Ann Sanfedel  (no "e')
> sigh.   The other BW photo on the article is mine, but not the color one of 
> the Bandshell.
> 
> Here is the link to that:
> http://dv-arts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=191&Itemid=191
> 
> ann
> 
> Rob Studdert wrote:
> 
>> On 24 January 2011 05:08, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> I got back most of the stuff already, but nothing that I took in January...
>>> good thing I got the photo submitted to the
>>> book and the gallery and up on smugmug.   I had accidentally reformatted the
>>> 2 gig cf card in the Pentax  - Yes I knew I was reformatting, I jsut forgot
>>> that I had the good stuff on that card and that was before the drive
>>> crashed.
>>> 
>>> I'll accept crossed fingers...   There is some goodnews about my photos but
>>> I'll save that for another post
>>>   
>> 
>> Good stuff, you mentioned before it worked after you left it
>> unplugged? Something that's not been considered yet is that the
>> external power supply could be on its way out? I have a 500GB
>> Freeagent drive of about the same vintage and it hasn't skipped a
>> beat, no errors and I regularly test it, I have a near new eternal
>> Iomega drive next to me and it's toast and I had a WD enterprise
>> server drive fail the other day. In other words it's a crapshoot, all
>> drives can fail, all you have to do is learn not to trust them! ;-) I
>> always have my data on two drives and when I get enough data to fill a
>> DVD I burn one of those off for safekeeping too, it's tedious but can
>> save you a great deal of heartache later. If you haven't shot on the
>> formatted card yet (or even if you have) there are a few programs that
>> you can run to recover files from it. I've got back deleted *istD
>> files from my old CF card a few times using
>> http://www.pcinspector.de/default.htm?language=1
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[Charles Robinson]

On Jan 22, 2011, at 22:04, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> My 500 gig external harddrive crashed tonight... guess where all my recent 
> digital photos are?
> 
> This happened after I loaded PEF's onto it a couple of hours ago... a couple 
> of weird things happned... the PEntax Lab thing said there was a loading 
> error.  
> I know its not the USB port because I was able to attach my 80 gig external 
> to it and use it.  
> WHen I plug in the  drive it says USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED...and says the 
> divice has malfunctioned.
> 

It's possible that the drive is OK, but the case that it's in has failed.

Try having a geek friend transfer the drive to some other enclosure - it might 
still be usable.

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Ann Sanfedele]

I have to tell you guys that I used to be the queen of backup when I was 
working spec writing -  and in the first few years of
working on photos and nothing else, but I've gotten sloppy in my 
dotage... takes a wake up call..


Except that I have almost nothing that  I shot in January with the ist 
D  ,  everything else seems to be on the drive... I'm
copying off the critical time frames on the other external.. and I'll go 
get myself more gigs tomorrow.  

I decided I needed to escape so went to the park and shot a couple of 
things  and I'm doing my work on my C drive... I've
got an acceptable mode of getting the files into a base folder.  The 
friendliest software is ACDSee For Pentax 3.0  -  I had problems with 
the Pentax browser and lab  - specific error stuff I can't remember now.  

I did shoot about 30 frames with the formated disk... and I got a nice 
phone call
that was helpful from a list lurker I've kinda known for a while whose 
help was
invaluable -- it is so much easier for me to get the info into my head 
with back and forth

talking 

He mentioned several possible  good recovery things...  one of which was 
your suggestion.


But tonight I'm relaxin ...
IF you are on facebook, I put the photo news thingy with a link  there.. 
some of you spotted it...


but if you arent the bottom line is  a bunch of my photos from NY in the 
70's are in this brief preview of a coming documentary
(and , of course, will be in the finished product )  six of them are at 
the very beginning if you watch the vid... and two of them
are shown on the page with the text.  I found out about it from one of 
the guys whose
graffitti adorns the wall in the background.   The photos were purchased 
almost 5 years ago when I had a diffferent web page
and email or I'd probably have heard more about it from the director 
/producer sooner.  We are back in touch now.
He  is fixing the credit to read Photo by Ann Sanfedele  - at the moment 
the credit says Photo Courtesy of Ann Sanfedel  (no "e')
sigh.   The other BW photo on the article is mine, but not the color one 
of the Bandshell.


Here is the link to that:
http://dv-arts.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=191&Itemid=191

ann

Rob Studdert wrote:


On 24 January 2011 05:08, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

 


I got back most of the stuff already, but nothing that I took in January...
good thing I got the photo submitted to the
book and the gallery and up on smugmug.   I had accidentally reformatted the
2 gig cf card in the Pentax  - Yes I knew I was reformatting, I jsut forgot
that I had the good stuff on that card and that was before the drive
crashed.

I'll accept crossed fingers...   There is some goodnews about my photos but
I'll save that for another post
   



Good stuff, you mentioned before it worked after you left it
unplugged? Something that's not been considered yet is that the
external power supply could be on its way out? I have a 500GB
Freeagent drive of about the same vintage and it hasn't skipped a
beat, no errors and I regularly test it, I have a near new eternal
Iomega drive next to me and it's toast and I had a WD enterprise
server drive fail the other day. In other words it's a crapshoot, all
drives can fail, all you have to do is learn not to trust them! ;-) I
always have my data on two drives and when I get enough data to fill a
DVD I burn one of those off for safekeeping too, it's tedious but can
save you a great deal of heartache later. If you haven't shot on the
formatted card yet (or even if you have) there are a few programs that
you can run to recover files from it. I've got back deleted *istD
files from my old CF card a few times using
http://www.pcinspector.de/default.htm?language=1


 





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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[P. J. Alling]

For some reason, PC inspector doesn't seem to like my Sandisk SDHC 
cards.  I've recovered data from the standard capacity and from the CF 
cards I use with the *ist-D.  It might be a problem with the reader, so 
who knows.


On 1/23/2011 4:53 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

On 24 January 2011 05:08, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:


I got back most of the stuff already, but nothing that I took in January...
good thing I got the photo submitted to the
book and the gallery and up on smugmug.   I had accidentally reformatted the
2 gig cf card in the Pentax  - Yes I knew I was reformatting, I jsut forgot
that I had the good stuff on that card and that was before the drive
crashed.

I'll accept crossed fingers...   There is some goodnews about my photos but
I'll save that for another post

Good stuff, you mentioned before it worked after you left it
unplugged? Something that's not been considered yet is that the
external power supply could be on its way out? I have a 500GB
Freeagent drive of about the same vintage and it hasn't skipped a
beat, no errors and I regularly test it, I have a near new eternal
Iomega drive next to me and it's toast and I had a WD enterprise
server drive fail the other day. In other words it's a crapshoot, all
drives can fail, all you have to do is learn not to trust them! ;-) I
always have my data on two drives and when I get enough data to fill a
DVD I burn one of those off for safekeeping too, it's tedious but can
save you a great deal of heartache later. If you haven't shot on the
formatted card yet (or even if you have) there are a few programs that
you can run to recover files from it. I've got back deleted *istD
files from my old CF card a few times using
http://www.pcinspector.de/default.htm?language=1





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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Rob Studdert]

On 24 January 2011 05:08, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> I got back most of the stuff already, but nothing that I took in January...
> good thing I got the photo submitted to the
> book and the gallery and up on smugmug.   I had accidentally reformatted the
> 2 gig cf card in the Pentax  - Yes I knew I was reformatting, I jsut forgot
> that I had the good stuff on that card and that was before the drive
> crashed.
>
> I'll accept crossed fingers...   There is some goodnews about my photos but
> I'll save that for another post

Good stuff, you mentioned before it worked after you left it
unplugged? Something that's not been considered yet is that the
external power supply could be on its way out? I have a 500GB
Freeagent drive of about the same vintage and it hasn't skipped a
beat, no errors and I regularly test it, I have a near new eternal
Iomega drive next to me and it's toast and I had a WD enterprise
server drive fail the other day. In other words it's a crapshoot, all
drives can fail, all you have to do is learn not to trust them! ;-) I
always have my data on two drives and when I get enough data to fill a
DVD I burn one of those off for safekeeping too, it's tedious but can
save you a great deal of heartache later. If you haven't shot on the
formatted card yet (or even if you have) there are a few programs that
you can run to recover files from it. I've got back deleted *istD
files from my old CF card a few times using
http://www.pcinspector.de/default.htm?language=1


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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Ann Sanfedele]

Cotty wrote:


On 23/1/11, Ann Sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

 


the basement where the boiler is...
Needless to say. I was wired  everyone was glad I called 911  and I
must say they really did arrive quickly but one of
them crowbarred the door to the basement  - and another said  no I
didn't do that... hehe.
   



Did they find the source of the smell?

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Actually - it seems to ahve been from the boiler room in the basement... 
but it might ahve been

from the downstairs apartment and food that had burned earlier.

It's totally gone now





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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[Sam L]

On Sunday, January 23, 2011, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Sam L
>
> So sorry to hear this!
>
> That seems to be the exact drive that I have been using for a bunch of
> years now.  I hope you get your data back and I hope my drive doesn't
> throw up on itself.
>
>
> Get another drive and make a copy of your data before it does.
>
> Get a third drive and make a backup to keep off site.
>

I'm already on a 2 drive backup routine.  1 at work, 1 at home.  I
don't delete originals off their source (camera card, flip video,
iPhone) until the data is on each of the 2 drives.

But thanks for the suggestion.

-sam

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Cotty]

On 23/1/11, Ann Sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

> the basement where the boiler is...
>Needless to say. I was wired  everyone was glad I called 911  and I
>must say they really did arrive quickly but one of
>them crowbarred the door to the basement  - and another said  no I
> didn't do that... hehe.

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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[John Sessoms]

From: Sam L

So sorry to hear this!

That seems to be the exact drive that I have been using for a bunch of
years now.  I hope you get your data back and I hope my drive doesn't
throw up on itself.


Get another drive and make a copy of your data before it does.

Get a third drive and make a backup to keep off site.


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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_) UPDATE

[Ann Sanfedele]

Update:
I put the drive in the freezer  - I turned off the computer... (for a while)
I'm waiting for the drive to come back to room temo

I do have an 80 gig WD  which I was backing up what I considered the 
most precious things on -

MY C drive is only 80  gigs and is pretty full...

And my upstairs neighbor is actually going to help me if I need it - pro 
bono_ on Monday or Tuesday...

We had more excitement alst night --

I smelled smoke ... it was faint but noticible coming in through my 
kitchen window.. which is a narrow breezeway...
when ever I small smoke the first thing I do is go out in the hallway to 
see if it is there too... it was... I got coat on
and went down stairs and noticed it all the way to the first floor... 
Called Fire dept... they came'everyone got up ... everyone  smelled
it except the firemen who were dressed in gear that was totally smoky... 
(!) and their sensors did get a whiff...


This is a small old building.. the consensus seemed to be that the odor 
came from the basement where the boiler is...
Needless to say. I was wired  everyone was glad I called 911  and I 
must say they really did arrive quickly but one of
them crowbarred the door to the basement  - and another said  no I 
didn't do that... hehe.  


I took a xanax and slept well... I'm still giddy though

So NOW I'm going to put the drive back on...

I got back most of the stuff already, but nothing that I took in 
January... good thing I got the photo submitted to the
book and the gallery and up on smugmug.   I had accidentally reformatted 
the 2 gig cf card in the Pentax  - Yes I knew I was reformatting, I jsut 
forgot that I had the good stuff on that card and that was before 
the drive crashed.


I'll accept crossed fingers...   There is some goodnews about my photos 
but I'll save that for another post


ann



John Sessoms wrote:


From: Ann Sanfedele


Geez ..  with all that  I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall
socket... let it cool off...
replugged... and

I got it all back

yayayayaya!

It was the only thing I hadn't tried -- all I did before was check that
the connection was tight

sigh

thanks for all the hugs andd stuff
ann



That's good news.

NOW, get a second drive and copy everything too it before this one 
fails again. If you're worried about the quality and reliability of 
Seagate externals, look for drives by Iomega, Toshiba or Hitachi (and 
other brands).


I don't recommend Western Digital because they are so slow to mount 
when you plug them in. I know this because I have some Western Digital 
USB drives. Bought them because they were the lowest price at the 
time. And I still use them. But they are slooow to mount!


I've also had more trouble with Western Digital hard-disk failures 
than I have experienced with other brands. But that's over a period of 
20 years.


Eventually, ALL hard-disks fail.


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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[John Sessoms]

From: Ann Sanfedele

Geez ..  with all that  I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall
socket... let it cool off...
replugged... and

I got it all back

yayayayaya!

It was the only thing I hadn't tried -- all I did before was check that
the connection was tight

sigh

thanks for all the hugs andd stuff
ann


That's good news.

NOW, get a second drive and copy everything too it before this one fails 
again. If you're worried about the quality and reliability of Seagate 
externals, look for drives by Iomega, Toshiba or Hitachi (and other 
brands).


I don't recommend Western Digital because they are so slow to mount when 
you plug them in. I know this because I have some Western Digital USB 
drives. Bought them because they were the lowest price at the time. And 
I still use them. But they are slooow to mount!


I've also had more trouble with Western Digital hard-disk failures than 
I have experienced with other brands. But that's over a period of 20 years.


Eventually, ALL hard-disks fail.


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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[Sam L]

> From: Ann Sanfedele
>
> thanks Paul but...
> his is all Greek to me  no idea what you are talking about..  but this
> is what I have
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-3-5-Inch-Drive-ST305004FDA1E1-RK/dp/B000ND75C0
>

So sorry to hear this!

That seems to be the exact drive that I have been using for a bunch of
years now.  I hope you get your data back and I hope my drive doesn't
throw up on itself.

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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[John Sessoms]

From: Ann Sanfedele

thanks Paul but...
his is all Greek to me  no idea what you are talking about..  but this
is what I have

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-3-5-Inch-Drive-ST305004FDA1E1-RK/dp/B000ND75C0

It was totally plug and play.

It doesnt look like anything comes apart.



The enclosure is probably designed so it can't be taken apart without 
damaging the enclosure. But, inside the enclosure are some electronics 
to handle the USB interface and a hard-drive.


You can take it to a computer shop and tell them you want to know if 
it's the electronics in the housing that failed or the hard-drive 
itself. Have them get the hard-drive out. They'll be able to test the 
drive to see if it's still usable. And, if the hard-drive is still good, 
they can put it into a new USB enclosure for you if you want them to.


What Paul's got is a USB hard-drive dock you can just plug a bare 
hard-drive into to attach it to the computer. Makes them easy to swap out.


... something similar to this:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/disk-dock

That might work just as well as a new enclosure. Bare 500GB hard-drives 
are available for around $40 each on the internet; 1TB drives are about 
$50 & 1.5TB drives look to be around $70 each.


It might be a low cost solution for making more than one hard-drive copy 
of your photographs. It'd take some back-and-forth to make duplicate 
backups, but it's doable.





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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Steven Desjardins]

Yea!!!  Buy a new one (I think 100 GB drives now come in serial boxes
;-) and put your old one out on the ledge while in use.  That will
keep it cooler.

Steve who will also now buy a new HD which he has put off doing.

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> Had to have one cooling fan replaced about a year ago when an "equipment 
> failure" shut me down. Big relief!!
>
> Jack
>
> --- On Sun, 1/23/11, Cotty  wrote:
>
>> From: Cotty 
>> Subject: Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)
>> To: "pentax list" 
>> Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 1:51 AM
>> Ann,
>>
>> It would appear that the design of the hard drive enclosure
>> is poor, not
>> allowing enough air circulating inside - this leads to
>> overheating, and
>> when metal components get hot, they expand. With small and
>> critical
>> tolerances, this leads to early failure.
>>
>> If you want to continue using the drive in the short term,
>> find the air
>> vent holes (I think they are in the base on this one) and
>> orientate the
>> device so those holes are pointing straight up. Keep it
>> cool - maybe
>> next to a window. Retrieve your data.
>>
>> It could well be that the hard drive inside will continue
>> to function
>> perfectly normally inside a different enclosure, or better
>> yet, in a
>> drive dock like Paul has and recommended. But don't bank on
>> it.
>>
>> Whatever hard drive you have, it is a pretty good idea to
>> have two of
>> them (not necessarily by the same manufacturer!) and use
>> one as your
>> main external drive, and the other purely as a duplicate
>> safety backup.
>> That way, you will always have a failsafe copy of all your
>> data.
>>
>> Hope this helps and best of luck (and a hug!)
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>   Cotty
>>
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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Jack Davis]

Had to have one cooling fan replaced about a year ago when an "equipment 
failure" shut me down. Big relief!!

Jack

--- On Sun, 1/23/11, Cotty  wrote:

> From: Cotty 
> Subject: Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)
> To: "pentax list" 
> Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 1:51 AM
> Ann,
> 
> It would appear that the design of the hard drive enclosure
> is poor, not
> allowing enough air circulating inside - this leads to
> overheating, and
> when metal components get hot, they expand. With small and
> critical
> tolerances, this leads to early failure.
> 
> If you want to continue using the drive in the short term,
> find the air
> vent holes (I think they are in the base on this one) and
> orientate the
> device so those holes are pointing straight up. Keep it
> cool - maybe
> next to a window. Retrieve your data.
> 
> It could well be that the hard drive inside will continue
> to function
> perfectly normally inside a different enclosure, or better
> yet, in a
> drive dock like Paul has and recommended. But don't bank on
> it.
> 
> Whatever hard drive you have, it is a pretty good idea to
> have two of
> them (not necessarily by the same manufacturer!) and use
> one as your
> main external drive, and the other purely as a duplicate
> safety backup.
> That way, you will always have a failsafe copy of all your
> data.
> 
> Hope this helps and best of luck (and a hug!)
> 
> --
> 
> 
> Cheers,
>   Cotty
> 
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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[Elizabeth Masoner]

Ouch!  Oh, that is not fun.  We had a drive crash that had all our financial
data on it a while back.  A local computer guy was able to recover things
but I'm not sure exactly how he did it.  I do know he had to crack the hard
drive case and plug it into his computer with some sort of adapter.  Once he
convinced the drive to run he was able to use some recovery software on it.
Maybe there is someone close to you that specializes in hardware issues?


On 1/22/11 10:04 PM, "Ann Sanfedele"  wrote:

> My 500 gig external harddrive crashed tonight... guess where all my
> recent digital photos are?
> 
> This happened after I loaded PEF's onto it a couple of hours ago... a
> couple of weird things happned... the PEntax Lab thing said there was a
> loading error.  
> 
> I know its not the USB port because I was able to attach my 80 gig
> external to it and use it.
> 
> WHen I plug in the  drive it says USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED...and says
> the divice has malfunctioned.
> 
> aarrrgggh!
> 
> Never had a drive crash on me before ...
> 
> I connected it to the old puter to see if I could revive it but no,
> nothing...
> 
> WHen I goto the trouble shooting page it tells me I should try and
> reconnect it (duh)  and if that doesnt work "REPLACE THE DEVICE"
> 
> the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present in
> 2007.  All my photos from the last two years are on there
> The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the
> external drive.
> 
> I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there is
> just a driver I need to reload?
> 
> Hugs along with info would be much appreciated
> 
> ann sad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 



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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Jack Davis]

I just arose for the day (at least 'til my PM nap) and went through your HD 
trauma with my first tankard of coffee. 
May be the black tar coffee, but I'm shaking with relief at the current status 
of your dilemma. Close! 
The best in keeping that drive cool 'til cleared to a replacement.
Now, go dump the used Kleenex. ;)

Jack

--- On Sat, 1/22/11, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> From: Ann Sanfedele 
> Subject: Re: I'm going to cry now...  I STOPPED CRYING :_)
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 11:38 PM
> yessir I will
> 
> something amiss with the Pentax browser too :(
> 
> a
> 
> Boris Liberman wrote:
> 
> > On 1/23/2011 7:50 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
> > 
> >> Geez .. with all that I UNPLUGGED the
> harddrive from the wall
> >> socket... let it cool off...
> >> replugged... and
> >> 
> >> I got it all back
> >> 
> >> yayayayaya!
> >> 
> >> It was the only thing I hadn't tried -- all I did
> before was check that
> >> the connection was tight
> >> 
> >> sigh
> >> 
> >> thanks for all the hugs andd stuff
> >> ann
> > 
> > 
> > Ann, I cannot stress it enough, but let's say we sat
> in that cafe, drank our tea and I looked you in the eye
> seriously and solemnly and said something in lines with:
> "you oughtta buy a new external HDD and backup that flaky
> one as soon as possible, whereas meanwhile I would strongly
> recommend you did not use the current one until you fully
> backed up its contents".
> > 
> > /glad you did not have to resort to drastic measures
> this time/
> > 
> > Boris
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Paul Stenquist]

Now, right now. Get another drive and back up that data!
Paul


On Jan 23, 2011, at 12:50 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> 
> Geez ..  with all that  I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall socket... 
> let it cool off...
> replugged... and
> 
> I got it all back
> 
> yayayayaya!
> 
> It was the only thing I hadn't tried -- all I did before was check that the 
> connection was tight
> 
> sigh
> 
> thanks for all the hugs andd stuff
> ann
> 
> 
> 
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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Christine  Aguila
 wrote:
> Excellent!  I'm so happy for you, Ann.  Now go get another external hard
> drive for back up!!!  Big cheers, Christine

My suggestion as well

Dave
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" 
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:50 PM
> Subject: Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)
>
>
>>
>> Geez ..  with all that  I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall
>> socket... let it cool off...
>> replugged... and
>>
>> I got it all back
>>
>> yayayayaya!
>>
>> It was the only thing I hadn't tried -- all I did before was check that
>> the connection was tight
>>
>> sigh
>>
>> thanks for all the hugs andd stuff
>> ann
>>
>>
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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[David J Brooks]

Bummer Ann, I hope Seagate can help. I have three of them and now you
have me worried.:-)

I am always afraid of external HD failures, so i back up my pictures
on two drives and them CD or DVD's.

Just a thought for you

Dave

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
> My 500 gig external harddrive crashed tonight... guess where all my recent
> digital photos are?
>
> This happened after I loaded PEF's onto it a couple of hours ago... a couple
> of weird things happned... the PEntax Lab thing said there was a loading
> error.
> I know its not the USB port because I was able to attach my 80 gig external
> to it and use it.
> WHen I plug in the  drive it says USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED...and says the
> divice has malfunctioned.
>
> aarrrgggh!
>
> Never had a drive crash on me before ...
>
> I connected it to the old puter to see if I could revive it but no,
> nothing...
>
> WHen I goto the trouble shooting page it tells me I should try and reconnect
> it (duh)  and if that doesnt work "REPLACE THE DEVICE"
>
> the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present in
> 2007.  All my photos from the last two years are on there
> The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the external
> drive.
>
> I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there is just
> a driver I need to reload?
>
> Hugs along with info would be much appreciated
>
> ann sad
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Cotty]

Ann,

It would appear that the design of the hard drive enclosure is poor, not
allowing enough air circulating inside - this leads to overheating, and
when metal components get hot, they expand. With small and critical
tolerances, this leads to early failure.

If you want to continue using the drive in the short term, find the air
vent holes (I think they are in the base on this one) and orientate the
device so those holes are pointing straight up. Keep it cool - maybe
next to a window. Retrieve your data.

It could well be that the hard drive inside will continue to function
perfectly normally inside a different enclosure, or better yet, in a
drive dock like Paul has and recommended. But don't bank on it.

Whatever hard drive you have, it is a pretty good idea to have two of
them (not necessarily by the same manufacturer!) and use one as your
main external drive, and the other purely as a duplicate safety backup.
That way, you will always have a failsafe copy of all your data.

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Ann Sanfedele]

yessir I will

something amiss with the Pentax browser too :(

a

Boris Liberman wrote:


On 1/23/2011 7:50 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:


Geez .. with all that I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall
socket... let it cool off...
replugged... and

I got it all back

yayayayaya!

It was the only thing I hadn't tried -- all I did before was check that
the connection was tight

sigh

thanks for all the hugs andd stuff
ann



Ann, I cannot stress it enough, but let's say we sat in that cafe, 
drank our tea and I looked you in the eye seriously and solemnly and 
said something in lines with: "you oughtta buy a new external HDD and 
backup that flaky one as soon as possible, whereas meanwhile I would 
strongly recommend you did not use the current one until you fully 
backed up its contents".


/glad you did not have to resort to drastic measures this time/

Boris





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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Boris Liberman]

On 1/23/2011 7:50 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Geez .. with all that I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall
socket... let it cool off...
replugged... and

I got it all back

yayayayaya!

It was the only thing I hadn't tried -- all I did before was check that
the connection was tight

sigh

thanks for all the hugs andd stuff
ann


Ann, I cannot stress it enough, but let's say we sat in that cafe, drank 
our tea and I looked you in the eye seriously and solemnly and said 
something in lines with: "you oughtta buy a new external HDD and backup 
that flaky one as soon as possible, whereas meanwhile I would strongly 
recommend you did not use the current one until you fully backed up its 
contents".


/glad you did not have to resort to drastic measures this time/

Boris

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Stan Halpin]

To echo and expand on Steve's comment: If a drive is that flakey, I would not 
put anything valuable on it that wasn't backed up in at least one other place. 
Burn some CDs, buy a new drive, borrow some space on a friend's drive, 
whatever. Just don't assume that you have solved the problem with this drive - 
it may well fail totally in the near future.

stan

On Jan 23, 2011, at 12:53 AM, steve harley wrote:

> On 2011-01-22 22:50 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:
>> 
>> Geez .. with all that I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall
>> socket... let it cool off...
>> replugged... and
>> 
>> I got it all back
> 
> congrats; now it's time to make sure you have a backup
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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Ann Sanfedele]

I have another one... an 80 gig...  so the important stuff will go on 
there...


some of the stuff was backedup on the old computer and still on the CF 
cards at least

but what I shot in the last few days was gone

xo,
ann

Christine Aguila wrote:

Excellent!  I'm so happy for you, Ann.  Now go get another external 
hard drive for back up!!!  Big cheers, Christine




- Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" 
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)




Geez ..  with all that  I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall 
socket... let it cool off...

replugged... and

I got it all back

yayayayaya!

It was the only thing I hadn't tried -- all I did before was check 
that the connection was tight


sigh

thanks for all the hugs andd stuff
ann





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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Rob Studdert]

On 23 January 2011 16:50, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:
>
> Geez ..  with all that  I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall
> socket... let it cool off...
> replugged... and
>
> I got it all back
>
> yayayayaya!
>
> It was the only thing I hadn't tried -- all I did before was check that the
> connection was tight

Phew.

What volume of data files does that external drive contain Ann? Is
there anyone that could help you put an additional drive in your PC?

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Christine Aguila]

Excellent!  I'm so happy for you, Ann.  Now go get another external hard 
drive for back up!!!  Big cheers, Christine




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To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
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Subject: Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)




Geez ..  with all that  I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall 
socket... let it cool off...

replugged... and

I got it all back

yayayayaya!

It was the only thing I hadn't tried -- all I did before was check that 
the connection was tight


sigh

thanks for all the hugs andd stuff
ann





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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[John Celio]

skimming those reviews suggests that in some cases turning the drive off & 
on again is a temporary fix


That reminds me, there is one trick I learned when a drive of mine died a 
few years back: freeze it.  Seriously, get a big Ziplok bag, one that can 
hold the entire drive enclosure (but not the power or USB cables) and stick 
it in your freezer overnight.  As long as the bag is sealed, the drive won't 
be damaged.  In the morning, immediately hook it up to a running PC and try 
to pull your data off the drive in small chunks.  Something about the 
shrinkage caused by the cold can sometimes make a malfunctioning drive work 
for a short time.  I was able to recover a reasonable amount of data off my 
drive after a few rounds of freezing.


I still think it'd be better for you, Ann, to send it off for data recovery, 
though.


i'd hesitate to send it back to Seagate since in my experience the drive 
manufacturer takes no responsibility for data recovery


Good point, I forgot about that.  Ann, if you contact Seagate, be sure to 
ask if they offer data recovery services.  I'm pretty sure they do, but 
check just to be sure.


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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[steve harley]

On 2011-01-22 22:50 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:


Geez .. with all that I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall
socket... let it cool off...
replugged... and

I got it all back


congrats; now it's time to make sure you have a backup

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Re: I'm going to cry now... I STOPPED CRYING :_)

[Ann Sanfedele]

Geez ..  with all that  I UNPLUGGED the harddrive from the wall 
socket... let it cool off...

replugged... and

I got it all back

yayayayaya!

It was the only thing I hadn't tried -- all I did before was check that 
the connection was tight


sigh

thanks for all the hugs andd stuff
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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[Christine Aguila]

I'm so sorry Ann.  Can't offer any meaningful advice, but looks like the 
guys have given you some already.  All I can do is send big girl friend 
hugs.  Cheers, Christine



- Original Message - 
From: "Ann Sanfedele" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:04 PM
Subject: I'm going to cry now...


My 500 gig external harddrive crashed tonight... guess where all my recent 
digital photos are?


This happened after I loaded PEF's onto it a couple of hours ago... a 
couple of weird things happned... the PEntax Lab thing said there was a 
loading error.
I know its not the USB port because I was able to attach my 80 gig 
external to it and use it.
WHen I plug in the  drive it says USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED...and says the 
divice has malfunctioned.


aarrrgggh!

Never had a drive crash on me before ...

I connected it to the old puter to see if I could revive it but no, 
nothing...


WHen I goto the trouble shooting page it tells me I should try and 
reconnect it (duh)  and if that doesnt work "REPLACE THE DEVICE"


the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present in 
2007.  All my photos from the last two years are on there
The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the external 
drive.


I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there is 
just a driver I need to reload?


Hugs along with info would be much appreciated

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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[steve harley]

On 2011-01-22 22:11 , Darren Addy wrote:

Those Amazon reviews from Ann's link are pretty darn revealing.
I don't think I've ever seen that high a percentage of reviews giving
something 1 star.
"An Astonishing Experience: Three Drives Purchased - Three Drives
Failed" is just one review.


skimming those reviews suggests that in some cases turning the drive off 
& on again is a temporary fix


other than that the reviews strengthen my hunch that cracking the 
enclosure and putting the drive that you find inside into a new 
enclosure (or a "dock") will get your data back; i can understand 
wanting to get help with that -- if so, find a competent friend (avoid 
Geek Squad and similar services)


i'd hesitate to send it back to Seagate since in my experience the drive 
manufacturer takes no responsibility for data recovery


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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[Ann Sanfedele]

John thanks much!

thanks all you guys

I rally don't think I can mess with this myself..

ann

John Celio wrote:

The best advice I can give in this situation is for you to send the 
drive to Seagate.  You've said this is all Greek to you, so I say take 
the simplest route and let the manufacturer deal with it.  They've got 
the techs and equipment to figure these things out.  Go to Seagate's 
website and find their customer support contact info and give them a 
call or email to get the ball rolling.  It will take a while to get 
this sorted out, but the sooner you start, the sooner you'll get your 
photos back.  They might charge you for this, but I don't think you 
have much choice, unfortunately.


Hugs and good luck,
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-Original Message- From: Ann Sanfedele
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 8:04 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: I'm going to cry now...

My 500 gig external harddrive crashed tonight... guess where all my
recent digital photos are?

This happened after I loaded PEF's onto it a couple of hours ago... a
couple of weird things happned... the PEntax Lab thing said there was a
loading error.

I know its not the USB port because I was able to attach my 80 gig
external to it and use it.

WHen I plug in the  drive it says USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED...and says
the divice has malfunctioned.

aarrrgggh!

Never had a drive crash on me before ...

I connected it to the old puter to see if I could revive it but no,
nothing...

WHen I goto the trouble shooting page it tells me I should try and
reconnect it (duh)  and if that doesnt work "REPLACE THE DEVICE"

the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present in
2007.  All my photos from the last two years are on there
The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the
external drive.

I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there is
just a driver I need to reload?

Hugs along with info would be much appreciated

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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[Ann Sanfedele]

YOur advice is the best :-)

I do have a couple of possibilites for assistance ...
My last thing to try alone will be to plug it back in in a while

Right now I'm going to eat something nice and watch something I like on tv

(I'll think about it tomorrow said Scarlet )

ann


Rob Studdert wrote:


On 23 January 2011 15:04, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

 


the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present in
2007.  All my photos from the last two years are on there
The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the external
drive.

I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there is just
a driver I need to reload?

Hugs along with info would be much appreciated
   



Hi Ann,

So sorry to hear of your plight, I'll save the rap for later.

Seriously don't screw with it, it could be the hard drive enclosure
but it's most likely the drive within the enclosure its self. The box
contains a regular hard drive and support electronics to make it USB
compatible. I would get it to a friend who knows what they are doing
if possible, if not get recommendations of competent computer guys
from your friends and beg for assistance.

Discounting the enclosure electronics there are two basic modes of
failure in a drive, electronic or mechanical. Dependent on where the
electronic failure is it might be relatively easy to remedy, if it's a
mechanical failure however it would probably cost a great deal to
retrieve the data. You really do need to get it to someone competent
to assess the problem though, at this point we are all just
speculating as the the root cause of the problem.

Cheers,

 





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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[Ann Sanfedele]

Darren,  if they offer free data recovery that would be super.

Thanks for the links...

ann


Darren Addy wrote:


Those Amazon reviews from Ann's link are pretty darn revealing.
I don't think I've ever seen that high a percentage of reviews giving
something 1 star.
"An Astonishing Experience: Three Drives Purchased - Three Drives
Failed" is just one review.

Very sorry, Ann.
Seagate offers troubleshooting advice here:
http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/troubleshooting_assistance

Seagate has had problems before with a product and offered free data
recovery: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16246
It is possible that they may offer something similar for this product,
particularly with the disasterous record this one seems to have.
You might also register for the Seagate forums. They have one devoted
to the FreeAgent:
http://forums.seagate.com/t5/FreeAgent-Products/bd-p/freeagent

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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[John Celio]

The best advice I can give in this situation is for you to send the drive to 
Seagate.  You've said this is all Greek to you, so I say take the simplest 
route and let the manufacturer deal with it.  They've got the techs and 
equipment to figure these things out.  Go to Seagate's website and find 
their customer support contact info and give them a call or email to get the 
ball rolling.  It will take a while to get this sorted out, but the sooner 
you start, the sooner you'll get your photos back.  They might charge you 
for this, but I don't think you have much choice, unfortunately.


Hugs and good luck,
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-Original Message- 
From: Ann Sanfedele

Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 8:04 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: I'm going to cry now...

My 500 gig external harddrive crashed tonight... guess where all my
recent digital photos are?

This happened after I loaded PEF's onto it a couple of hours ago... a
couple of weird things happned... the PEntax Lab thing said there was a
loading error.

I know its not the USB port because I was able to attach my 80 gig
external to it and use it.

WHen I plug in the  drive it says USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED...and says
the divice has malfunctioned.

aarrrgggh!

Never had a drive crash on me before ...

I connected it to the old puter to see if I could revive it but no,
nothing...

WHen I goto the trouble shooting page it tells me I should try and
reconnect it (duh)  and if that doesnt work "REPLACE THE DEVICE"

the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present in
2007.  All my photos from the last two years are on there
The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the
external drive.

I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there is
just a driver I need to reload?

Hugs along with info would be much appreciated

ann sad 



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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[Ann Sanfedele]

Well I have, for the last few days, been getting  odd error messages 
that seemed not to be connected to what I was doing...
mermory stuff...  

I'd never be able to open the thing...I dont think..  are you guys 
saying that it might be that thing at the base could be the problem?


There is lots of stuff besides photos on there alas





P. J. Alling wrote:

The driver is a standard part of the OS and if it recognized any 
external hard drive it should recognize the Seagate.


If you're lucky it's not the drive itself that crashed but just the 
USB portion that failed.  Inside the case may be just a standard, 
(well kind of standard), ISA drive, or due to it's recent vintage a 
standard SATA drive.  You get the drive out of the case and plug it 
into a new case and away you go.  Staples sells a USB external drive 
case for 3 1/2 inch drives for about $30-40.  The trick is getting the 
drive out of the old case.  Some are screwed together, some glued, 
some are heat welded plastic.


On 1/22/2011 11:04 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

My 500 gig external harddrive crashed tonight... guess where all my 
recent digital photos are?


This happened after I loaded PEF's onto it a couple of hours ago... a 
couple of weird things happned... the PEntax Lab thing said there was 
a loading error.
I know its not the USB port because I was able to attach my 80 gig 
external to it and use it.
WHen I plug in the  drive it says USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED...and 
says the divice has malfunctioned.


aarrrgggh!

Never had a drive crash on me before ...

I connected it to the old puter to see if I could revive it but no, 
nothing...


WHen I goto the trouble shooting page it tells me I should try and 
reconnect it (duh)  and if that doesnt work "REPLACE THE DEVICE"


the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present 
in 2007.  All my photos from the last two years are on there
The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the 
external drive.


I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there 
is just a driver I need to reload?


Hugs along with info would be much appreciated

ann sad
















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Re: I'm going to cry now...

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On 23 January 2011 15:04, Ann Sanfedele  wrote:

> the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present in
> 2007.  All my photos from the last two years are on there
> The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the external
> drive.
>
> I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there is just
> a driver I need to reload?
>
> Hugs along with info would be much appreciated

Hi Ann,

So sorry to hear of your plight, I'll save the rap for later.

Seriously don't screw with it, it could be the hard drive enclosure
but it's most likely the drive within the enclosure its self. The box
contains a regular hard drive and support electronics to make it USB
compatible. I would get it to a friend who knows what they are doing
if possible, if not get recommendations of competent computer guys
from your friends and beg for assistance.

Discounting the enclosure electronics there are two basic modes of
failure in a drive, electronic or mechanical. Dependent on where the
electronic failure is it might be relatively easy to remedy, if it's a
mechanical failure however it would probably cost a great deal to
retrieve the data. You really do need to get it to someone competent
to assess the problem though, at this point we are all just
speculating as the the root cause of the problem.

Cheers,

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[Paul Sorenson]

Did you use the same USB cable on the 80 gig?  If not, try a different 
USB cable on the 500.


Is it getting power?  Could be a bad power supply.

Do you know anyone who runs Linux?  Take the drive to them and see if a 
Linux box will recognize it.  If it will, you should be able to use the 
Linux box to transfer the files to a new drive.  Make sure the new drive 
is formatted to NTFS.


If all else fails you can try transferring the drive to a new enclosure 
as Paul suggested.  I've had the enclosures go bad and produce error 
messages with a perfectly good drive inside.


-p

On 1/22/2011 10:04 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
My 500 gig external harddrive crashed tonight... guess where all my 
recent digital photos are?


This happened after I loaded PEF's onto it a couple of hours ago... a 
couple of weird things happned... the PEntax Lab thing said there was 
a loading error.
I know its not the USB port because I was able to attach my 80 gig 
external to it and use it.
WHen I plug in the  drive it says USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED...and says 
the divice has malfunctioned.


aarrrgggh!

Never had a drive crash on me before ...

I connected it to the old puter to see if I could revive it but no, 
nothing...


WHen I goto the trouble shooting page it tells me I should try and 
reconnect it (duh)  and if that doesnt work "REPLACE THE DEVICE"


the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present 
in 2007.  All my photos from the last two years are on there
The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the 
external drive.


I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there 
is just a driver I need to reload?


Hugs along with info would be much appreciated

ann sad












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[Darren Addy]

Those Amazon reviews from Ann's link are pretty darn revealing.
I don't think I've ever seen that high a percentage of reviews giving
something 1 star.
"An Astonishing Experience: Three Drives Purchased - Three Drives
Failed" is just one review.

Very sorry, Ann.
Seagate offers troubleshooting advice here:
http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/troubleshooting_assistance

Seagate has had problems before with a product and offered free data
recovery: http://techreport.com/discussions.x/16246
It is possible that they may offer something similar for this product,
particularly with the disasterous record this one seems to have.
You might also register for the Seagate forums. They have one devoted
to the FreeAgent:
http://forums.seagate.com/t5/FreeAgent-Products/bd-p/freeagent

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[P. J. Alling]

The driver is a standard part of the OS and if it recognized any 
external hard drive it should recognize the Seagate.


If you're lucky it's not the drive itself that crashed but just the USB 
portion that failed.  Inside the case may be just a standard, (well kind 
of standard), ISA drive, or due to it's recent vintage a standard SATA 
drive.  You get the drive out of the case and plug it into a new case 
and away you go.  Staples sells a USB external drive case for 3 1/2 inch 
drives for about $30-40.  The trick is getting the drive out of the old 
case.  Some are screwed together, some glued, some are heat welded plastic.


On 1/22/2011 11:04 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
My 500 gig external harddrive crashed tonight... guess where all my 
recent digital photos are?


This happened after I loaded PEF's onto it a couple of hours ago... a 
couple of weird things happned... the PEntax Lab thing said there was 
a loading error.
I know its not the USB port because I was able to attach my 80 gig 
external to it and use it.
WHen I plug in the  drive it says USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED...and says 
the divice has malfunctioned.


aarrrgggh!

Never had a drive crash on me before ...

I connected it to the old puter to see if I could revive it but no, 
nothing...


WHen I goto the trouble shooting page it tells me I should try and 
reconnect it (duh)  and if that doesnt work "REPLACE THE DEVICE"


the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present 
in 2007.  All my photos from the last two years are on there
The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the 
external drive.


I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there 
is just a driver I need to reload?


Hugs along with info would be much appreciated

ann sad












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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[Ann Sanfedele]

Steve -

this is what I have
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-3-5-Inch-Drive-ST305004FDA1E1-RK/dp/B000ND75C0

It's not the cable  I  just checked that.  




steve harley wrote:


On 2011-01-22 21:18 , Paul Stenquist wrote:

So sorry, Ann. I think your best chance might be to install the drive 
in a new enclosure in hope that the problem has to do with something 
other than the drive mechanism.



that's a very good suggestion; not sure how hard Seagate makes it to 
open the cases, but it's definitely doable; first i'd try swapping the 
cable just in case, and also i'd suspect the power supply (assuming 
there is one) -- though a replacement power supply might cost as much 
as a new enclosure 



Is the power supply the base the top thing is sitting on?  it is hot 
when plugged in... I ahvent unplugged it het...
oooh - any chance unplugging it and replugging it would help?  haven 
ttried that yet


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On 2011-01-22 21:18 , Paul Stenquist wrote:

So sorry, Ann. I think your best chance might be to install the drive in a new 
enclosure in hope that the problem has to do with something other than the 
drive mechanism.


that's a very good suggestion; not sure how hard Seagate makes it to 
open the cases, but it's definitely doable; first i'd try swapping the 
cable just in case, and also i'd suspect the power supply (assuming 
there is one) -- though a replacement power supply might cost as much as 
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[Ann Sanfedele]

thanks Paul but...
his is all Greek to me  no idea what you are talking about..  but this 
is what I have


http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-3-5-Inch-Drive-ST305004FDA1E1-RK/dp/B000ND75C0

It was totally plug and play.

It doesnt look like anything comes apart.

ann


Paul Stenquist wrote:


Hi Ann,
Is it a 3.5 inch SATIA drive? If so, I have one of those plug and play drive holders that I could send you. Once you removed your drive from the current case, you could just push it into the slot and plug it into the computer. 
Paul

On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 


My 500 gig external harddrive crashed tonight... guess where all my recent 
digital photos are?

This happened after I loaded PEF's onto it a couple of hours ago... a couple of weird things happned... the PEntax Lab thing said there was a loading error.  
I know its not the USB port because I was able to attach my 80 gig external to it and use it.  
WHen I plug in the  drive it says USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED...and says the divice has malfunctioned.


aarrrgggh!

Never had a drive crash on me before ...

I connected it to the old puter to see if I could revive it but no, nothing...

WHen I goto the trouble shooting page it tells me I should try and reconnect it (duh)  
and if that doesnt work "REPLACE THE DEVICE"

the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present in 2007.  
All my photos from the last two years are on there
The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the external drive.

I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there is just a 
driver I need to reload?

Hugs along with info would be much appreciated

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Re: I'm going to cry now...

[Paul Stenquist]

Hi Ann,
Is it a 3.5 inch SATIA drive? If so, I have one of those plug and play drive 
holders that I could send you. Once you removed your drive from the current 
case, you could just push it into the slot and plug it into the computer. 
Paul
On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> My 500 gig external harddrive crashed tonight... guess where all my recent 
> digital photos are?
> 
> This happened after I loaded PEF's onto it a couple of hours ago... a couple 
> of weird things happned... the PEntax Lab thing said there was a loading 
> error.  
> I know its not the USB port because I was able to attach my 80 gig external 
> to it and use it.  
> WHen I plug in the  drive it says USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED...and says the 
> divice has malfunctioned.
> 
> aarrrgggh!
> 
> Never had a drive crash on me before ...
> 
> I connected it to the old puter to see if I could revive it but no, nothing...
> 
> WHen I goto the trouble shooting page it tells me I should try and reconnect 
> it (duh)  and if that doesnt work "REPLACE THE DEVICE"
> 
> the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present in 2007. 
>  All my photos from the last two years are on there
> The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the external 
> drive.
> 
> I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there is just 
> a driver I need to reload?
> 
> Hugs along with info would be much appreciated
> 
> ann sad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Paul Stenquist]

So sorry, Ann. I think your best chance might be to install the drive in a new 
enclosure in hope that the problem has to do with something other than the 
drive mechanism. But there are people here who know much more than I do about 
these things. In any case, I will send plenty of good thoughts your way.
Paul

On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

> My 500 gig external harddrive crashed tonight... guess where all my recent 
> digital photos are?
> 
> This happened after I loaded PEF's onto it a couple of hours ago... a couple 
> of weird things happned... the PEntax Lab thing said there was a loading 
> error.  
> I know its not the USB port because I was able to attach my 80 gig external 
> to it and use it.  
> WHen I plug in the  drive it says USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED...and says the 
> divice has malfunctioned.
> 
> aarrrgggh!
> 
> Never had a drive crash on me before ...
> 
> I connected it to the old puter to see if I could revive it but no, nothing...
> 
> WHen I goto the trouble shooting page it tells me I should try and reconnect 
> it (duh)  and if that doesnt work "REPLACE THE DEVICE"
> 
> the device is a Seagate free agent  500 gig drive I got as a present in 2007. 
>  All my photos from the last two years are on there
> The C drive was getting crowded most everything I need is on the external 
> drive.
> 
> I sthis going to cost me a fortune to save it?  is it possible there is just 
> a driver I need to reload?
> 
> Hugs along with info would be much appreciated
> 
> ann sad
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