Re: K100d
And the PPBrowser/PPLab 3 as well. BTW, now PentaxPhotoLab 3 is a RAW converter you can truly use. Silkypix came to rescue and now edges are rendered well, without those odd sawteeth the previous releases did. I had the chance to try a (alpha? beta?) release of that software at Pentax Italy premises, and it works well. Dario - Original Message - From: "Bob Rapp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: K100d > Hi Gang, >Just noticed that Pentax US has the K100D manual available on-line: > > http://www.pentaximaging.com/customer_care/manuals_literature > > Bob Rapp > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
On 21.07.2006, at 14:14 , Dario Bonazza wrote: > BTW, now PentaxPhotoLab 3 is a RAW converter you can truly use. > Silkypix > came to rescue and now edges are rendered well, without those odd > sawteeth > the previous releases did. > I had the chance to try a (alpha? beta?) release of that software > at Pentax > Italy premises, and it works well. And I think it is worth noting that it has "convert to DNG" option (prelude to things to come? ;-) as well as noise and chromatic aberrations correction tools :-) Cheers, Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
- Original Message - From: "Dario Bonazza" Subject: Re: K100d > And the PPBrowser/PPLab 3 as well. > Would you kindly supply a link for that? I couldn't seem to find it. Thanks William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
Op Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:34:14 +0200 schreef William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > - Original Message - > From: "Dario Bonazza" > Subject: Re: K100d > > >> And the PPBrowser/PPLab 3 as well. >> > > Would you kindly supply a link for that? I couldn't seem to find it. > Thanks http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/manual/K100D_PhotoBrowser_Laboratory3%20Manual.pdf You might have to change the %20 into a space... -- Regards, Lucas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/manual/K100D_PhotoBrowser_Laboratory3%20Manual.pdf William Robb wrote: >- Original Message - >From: "Dario Bonazza" >Subject: Re: K100d > > > > >>And the PPBrowser/PPLab 3 as well. >> >> >> > >Would you kindly supply a link for that? I couldn't seem to find it. >Thanks > >William Robb > > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
On 7/21/06, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Dario Bonazza" > Subject: Re: K100d > > > > And the PPBrowser/PPLab 3 as well. > > > > Would you kindly supply a link for that? I couldn't seem to find it. > Thanks > > William Robb <http://www.pentaximaging.com/customer_care/manuals_literature> Under Cameras > Digital SLR, second link from the bottom titled " K100D (Photo Browser/Laboratory 3) Manual" Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: K100d > http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/manual/K100D_PhotoBrowser_Laboratory3%20Manual.pdf > Dang, I was hoping from Dario's message that they had the software available online. Thanks Peter. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
I wrote: > And the PPBrowser/PPLab 3 as well. Should be: And the PPBrowser/PPLab 3 manual as well. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
What is a bit strange is that the manual for K10d is not there. Either it is being delayed or Pentax is using these steps to create some type of hype around K100d. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
K10d is expected for October/November. Do you mean K110d? Dario - Original Message - From: "Igor Roshchin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: Re: K100d > > What is a bit strange is that the manual for K10d is not there. > Either it is being delayed or Pentax is using these steps to create > some type of hype around K100d. > > Igor > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:21 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > What is a bit strange is that the manual for K10d is not there. Why is it strange? The K100 is due for release now. The 10Mpixel body isn't due for release for several months yet. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
It won't be available for free without buying a new camera. -Aaron -Original Message- From: "William Robb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: K100d Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:16 am Size: 368 bytes To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" - Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" Subject: Re: K100d > http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/manual/K100D_PhotoBrowser_Laboratory3%20Manual.pdf > Dang, I was hoping from Dario's message that they had the software available online. Thanks Peter. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
Oops... Mea culpa. I got it backwards. I thought that it was the manual for the 10MP body (K10d) that had been posted, and was asking about K100d (6MP), but mixed up the model numbers. Igor Fri Jul 21 10:50:08 EST 2006 Dario Bonazza wrote: > K10d is expected for October/November. Do you mean K110d? > > Dario > > - Original Message - > > > > What is a bit strange is that the manual for K10d is not there. > > Either it is being delayed or Pentax is using these steps to create > > some type of hype around K100d. > > > > Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
How do you know it? Version 2 was released as free for every Pentax user, I hope they'll do the same with Browser/Laboratory 3 ;-) On 21.07.06, at 20:31 , Aaron Reynolds wrote: > It won't be available for free without buying a new camera. -- Best regards Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
I asked and that's what they told me. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subj: Re: K100d Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:26 pm Size: 365 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List How do you know it? Version 2 was released as free for every Pentax user, I hope they'll do the same with Browser/Laboratory 3 ;-) On 21.07.06, at 20:31 , Aaron Reynolds wrote: > It won't be available for free without buying a new camera. -- Best regards Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
Bah, it will hangs somewhere anyway for those who accept whatever Internet has to offer. 2006/7/21, Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I asked and that's what they told me. > > -Aaron > > -Original Message- > > From: Sylwester Pietrzyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subj: Re: K100d > Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:26 pm > Size: 365 bytes > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > How do you know it? Version 2 was released as free for every Pentax > user, I hope they'll do the same with Browser/Laboratory 3 ;-) > > On 21.07.06, at 20:31 , Aaron Reynolds wrote: > > > It won't be available for free without buying a new camera. > > -- > Best regards > Sylwek > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
Yeah, check the diopter. I don't know if the k100D has a dead pixel removal tool, but you might want to try that. My k-7 does, but is much newer. you can clone out the dead pixels in lightroom and then copy and paste those brush strokes to all your other pictures fwiw. A poor man's black frame. I would suggest upgrading. Used k-7s are cheap and one would be a huge upgrade over your k100d. Used k-5s are pretty reasonable too.well worth the extra . On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Ed Keeney wrote: > >> While at my daughters graduation this week, I was asked to take >> friends photos with their cameras (of course, I'm the only Pentax >> shooter). The first thing I noticed was how clear the subject looked >> through the view finder. Hmm, I thought to myself, why doesn't my >> camera look that way. I'm sure when I hand off my camera to others, >> they're thinking the same thing; this Pentax sure doesn't look good. >> >> My shots turn out fine, so the obvious issue here is that my 6 year >> old eye piece is a mess. I tried to clean it but I didn't accomplish >> anything. Does anyone have a recommendation on how to clean the eye >> piece? Should I send it out for a once over somewhere? > > Is it possible that you've mis-adjusted the diopter? It's a slider > above the viewfinder that can be adjusted to make the image clear for > your vision. You should adjust it so that the AF markings on the > focusing screen, and the LED displays in the finder, are as sharp as > possible. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Ed Keeney wrote: > While at my daughters graduation this week, I was asked to take > friends photos with their cameras (of course, I'm the only Pentax > shooter). The first thing I noticed was how clear the subject looked > through the view finder. Hmm, I thought to myself, why doesn't my > camera look that way. I'm sure when I hand off my camera to others, > they're thinking the same thing; this Pentax sure doesn't look good. > > My shots turn out fine, so the obvious issue here is that my 6 year > old eye piece is a mess. I tried to clean it but I didn't accomplish > anything. Does anyone have a recommendation on how to clean the eye > piece? Should I send it out for a once over somewhere? Is it possible that you've mis-adjusted the diopter? It's a slider above the viewfinder that can be adjusted to make the image clear for your vision. You should adjust it so that the AF markings on the focusing screen, and the LED displays in the finder, are as sharp as possible. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
Zos & Matthew, Yep, it's not the diopter. Blurry and out of focus is one thing, a clear view is different. Thanks! On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Ed Keeney wrote: > Yes, the subject says it all. I've been using the K100d for 6+ years > now. It's been a great piece of equipment. > > While at my daughters graduation this week, I was asked to take > friends photos with their cameras (of course, I'm the only Pentax > shooter). The first thing I noticed was how clear the subject looked > through the view finder. Hmm, I thought to myself, why doesn't my > camera look that way. I'm sure when I hand off my camera to others, > they're thinking the same thing; this Pentax sure doesn't look good. > > My shots turn out fine, so the obvious issue here is that my 6 year > old eye piece is a mess. I tried to clean it but I didn't accomplish > anything. Does anyone have a recommendation on how to clean the eye > piece? Should I send it out for a once over somewhere? > > Secondly, I happen to notice that with age comes hot pixels. The > problem is that I'm starting to see more and more of these. A few > months ago, it wasn't much of a hassle, but now they're showing up and > visible more often. > > Next question, is there anything I can do to clear some of these hot > pixels (service) or do I start saving my cash and preparing the better > half for a new camera? > > -- > Thanks!! > Ed > http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto > http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney/ -- Thanks! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
I would try some methanol (eclipse, sensor cleaner, etc) or failing that alcohol. The optics could be fogged internally though... :/ On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Ed Keeney wrote: > Zos & Matthew, > > Yep, it's not the diopter. Blurry and out of focus is one thing, a > clear view is different. > > > Thanks! > > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Ed Keeney wrote: >> Yes, the subject says it all. I've been using the K100d for 6+ years >> now. It's been a great piece of equipment. >> >> While at my daughters graduation this week, I was asked to take >> friends photos with their cameras (of course, I'm the only Pentax >> shooter). The first thing I noticed was how clear the subject looked >> through the view finder. Hmm, I thought to myself, why doesn't my >> camera look that way. I'm sure when I hand off my camera to others, >> they're thinking the same thing; this Pentax sure doesn't look good. >> >> My shots turn out fine, so the obvious issue here is that my 6 year >> old eye piece is a mess. I tried to clean it but I didn't accomplish >> anything. Does anyone have a recommendation on how to clean the eye >> piece? Should I send it out for a once over somewhere? >> >> Secondly, I happen to notice that with age comes hot pixels. The >> problem is that I'm starting to see more and more of these. A few >> months ago, it wasn't much of a hassle, but now they're showing up and >> visible more often. >> >> Next question, is there anything I can do to clear some of these hot >> pixels (service) or do I start saving my cash and preparing the better >> half for a new camera? >> >> -- >> Thanks!! >> Ed >> http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney/ > > > > -- > Thanks! > Ed > http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto > http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
On 27/06/2013 9:38 AM, Ed Keeney wrote: Zos & Matthew, Yep, it's not the diopter. Blurry and out of focus is one thing, a clear view is different. Are you sure you aren't just seeing the groundglass pattern on the screen? Pentax tends to put a coarser screen in to facilitate manual focus (I suspect because their AF is so atrocious). bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013, Ed Keeney wrote: > > Yes, the subject says it all. I've been using the K100d for 6+ years > now. It's been a great piece of equipment. > > While at my daughters graduation this week, I was asked to take > friends photos with their cameras (of course, I'm the only Pentax > shooter). The first thing I noticed was how clear the subject looked > through the view finder. Hmm, I thought to myself, why doesn't my > camera look that way. I'm sure when I hand off my camera to others, > they're thinking the same thing; this Pentax sure doesn't look good. Maybe because the K100D has a pentaMIRROR and the ones you were looking at have a pentaPRISM. I noticed that Larry's K-x was rather dark/muddy compared with the K-5; guessed it was the KatzEye, but Larry said it was pentamirror vs pentaprism. You'll definitely need a body upgrade if that's the issue: as others said, a used K-5, K-7, or K-30 would give you significant improvements. (Go for the K-5 unless you're on a really tight budget.) keh.com has several -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ <*> <*> <*> Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
I don't think the K100D includes hot pixel mapping, at least not available to the user. There may be a Repair Depot utility that you can run, or it may be available in debug mode, a process that is a.) not recommended to the faint of heart, and b.) not something I personally know how to enter in a K100D, though it probably requires the same steps as on most other Pentax DSLRs. I know someone published a method to enter the K10D debug mode, and IIRC someone else did the same for the *ist-D. Pentax then changed the method with the next firmware update, however it might be worth googleing your cameras name and debug mode. The viewfinder could be as others have already pointed out could be as simple as the diopter setting, if that's not a remedy, remember the K100D uses a mirror prism, it's not as robust a system as cameras using pentaprisms, a hard knock could put any number of things out of alignment. Also the mirror surfaces are subject to oxidation if the camera has been stored in less than optimal conditions. On 6/27/2013 11:12 AM, Ed Keeney wrote: Yes, the subject says it all. I've been using the K100d for 6+ years now. It's been a great piece of equipment. While at my daughters graduation this week, I was asked to take friends photos with their cameras (of course, I'm the only Pentax shooter). The first thing I noticed was how clear the subject looked through the view finder. Hmm, I thought to myself, why doesn't my camera look that way. I'm sure when I hand off my camera to others, they're thinking the same thing; this Pentax sure doesn't look good. My shots turn out fine, so the obvious issue here is that my 6 year old eye piece is a mess. I tried to clean it but I didn't accomplish anything. Does anyone have a recommendation on how to clean the eye piece? Should I send it out for a once over somewhere? Secondly, I happen to notice that with age comes hot pixels. The problem is that I'm starting to see more and more of these. A few months ago, it wasn't much of a hassle, but now they're showing up and visible more often. Next question, is there anything I can do to clear some of these hot pixels (service) or do I start saving my cash and preparing the better half for a new camera? -- Thanks!! Ed http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney/ -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:12:15AM -0400, Ed Keeney wrote: > Yes, the subject says it all. I've been using the K100d for 6+ years > now. It's been a great piece of equipment. > > While at my daughters graduation this week, I was asked to take > friends photos with their cameras (of course, I'm the only Pentax > shooter). The first thing I noticed was how clear the subject looked > through the view finder. Hmm, I thought to myself, why doesn't my > camera look that way. I'm sure when I hand off my camera to others, > they're thinking the same thing; this Pentax sure doesn't look good. I bet that it looks something like this: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157623241823983/ And, I bet that Walt has some similar K-x photos lying around. The short answer is that it is about time to start saving up for a K-5. If you can't afford a K-5, look for a used K-r. The K-x was a huge performance increase over the K-x, and the K-r corrected a couple of important missing features (like focus point indicators). > > My shots turn out fine, so the obvious issue here is that my 6 year > old eye piece is a mess. I tried to clean it but I didn't accomplish > anything. Does anyone have a recommendation on how to clean the eye > piece? Should I send it out for a once over somewhere? > > Secondly, I happen to notice that with age comes hot pixels. The > problem is that I'm starting to see more and more of these. A few > months ago, it wasn't much of a hassle, but now they're showing up and > visible more often. > > Next question, is there anything I can do to clear some of these hot > pixels (service) or do I start saving my cash and preparing the better > half for a new camera? > > -- > Thanks!! > Ed > http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto > http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
If your in-camera noise reduction is turned off, try turning it on and seeing if that improves things. Another option (for post) is this free utility: http://www.pixelfixer.org/ Hope one or the other helps! On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Ed Keeney wrote: > Yes, the subject says it all. I've been using the K100d for 6+ years > now. It's been a great piece of equipment. > > While at my daughters graduation this week, I was asked to take > friends photos with their cameras (of course, I'm the only Pentax > shooter). The first thing I noticed was how clear the subject looked > through the view finder. Hmm, I thought to myself, why doesn't my > camera look that way. I'm sure when I hand off my camera to others, > they're thinking the same thing; this Pentax sure doesn't look good. > > My shots turn out fine, so the obvious issue here is that my 6 year > old eye piece is a mess. I tried to clean it but I didn't accomplish > anything. Does anyone have a recommendation on how to clean the eye > piece? Should I send it out for a once over somewhere? > > Secondly, I happen to notice that with age comes hot pixels. The > problem is that I'm starting to see more and more of these. A few > months ago, it wasn't much of a hassle, but now they're showing up and > visible more often. > > Next question, is there anything I can do to clear some of these hot > pixels (service) or do I start saving my cash and preparing the better > half for a new camera? > > -- > Thanks!! > Ed > http://picasaweb.google.com/ewkphoto > http://www.flickr.com/photos/edkeeney/ > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- "Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art" - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
I'd second Aahz's comments. Pentax has a reputation for viewfinders, but cheaped it out with penta mirrors. Check the manual or internet on hot pixels in your camera. There are tests to find them and kill them automatically. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: > On Thu, Jun 27, 2013, Ed Keeney wrote: >> >> Yes, the subject says it all. I've been using the K100d for 6+ years >> now. It's been a great piece of equipment. >> >> While at my daughters graduation this week, I was asked to take >> friends photos with their cameras (of course, I'm the only Pentax >> shooter). The first thing I noticed was how clear the subject looked >> through the view finder. Hmm, I thought to myself, why doesn't my >> camera look that way. I'm sure when I hand off my camera to others, >> they're thinking the same thing; this Pentax sure doesn't look good. > > Maybe because the K100D has a pentaMIRROR and the ones you were looking > at have a pentaPRISM. I noticed that Larry's K-x was rather dark/muddy > compared with the K-5; guessed it was the KatzEye, but Larry said it was > pentamirror vs pentaprism. You'll definitely need a body upgrade if > that's the issue: as others said, a used K-5, K-7, or K-30 would give you > significant improvements. (Go for the K-5 unless you're on a really > tight budget.) > > keh.com has several > -- > Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ > <*> <*> <*> > Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: K100d
From: Ed Keeney Yes, the subject says it all. I've been using the K100d for 6+ years now. It's been a great piece of equipment. While at my daughters graduation this week, I was asked to take friends photos with their cameras (of course, I'm the only Pentax shooter). The first thing I noticed was how clear the subject looked through the view finder. Hmm, I thought to myself, why doesn't my camera look that way. I'm sure when I hand off my camera to others, they're thinking the same thing; this Pentax sure doesn't look good. My shots turn out fine, so the obvious issue here is that my 6 year old eye piece is a mess. I tried to clean it but I didn't accomplish anything. Does anyone have a recommendation on how to clean the eye piece? Should I send it out for a once over somewhere? Secondly, I happen to notice that with age comes hot pixels. The problem is that I'm starting to see more and more of these. A few months ago, it wasn't much of a hassle, but now they're showing up and visible more often. Next question, is there anything I can do to clear some of these hot pixels (service) or do I start saving my cash and preparing the better half for a new camera? I don't clean my cameras as often as I should. I'm not afraid to take a micro-fiber cloth and wipe the outside of the viewfinder or try to clean spots off either end of the lens, but given the number of delicate things I've broken over the years, I don't really want to be poking around INSIDE the camera. If it needs cleaning that much, I prefer to pay someone who's not as clumsy as I am. That said, if you do want to give it a go yourself ... A quick search for "cleaning camera eyepiece" turned up an article by Herbert Keppler, who if I remember correctly was a Pentax user: http://www.ritzcamera.com/static/articles/tips/clean-slr.html Another search shows that the K100D does have a removable focusing screen: http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-camera-articles/10326-how-change-focusing-screen-k100d.html As to your other question: My K20D has a BIG hot spot - a clump of about 150 bad pixels. So far, the spot healing tool in Adobe Camera Raw seems to be able to take care of it reasonably well. I talked to the KEH rep at the PPNC convention this year about whether to send it to KEH's repair facility or even to CRIS. He said getting it repaired would probably run $300 or more. Economically it would make more sense to buy a replacement & junk the one I have. He's right of course. KEH has a LN- K20D for $299 right now. But, since the camera still works just fine otherwise, and is perfectly usable despite the annoyance of the hot spot, I can't bring myself to do that. I can't even force myself to get rid of a dead Super Program or my dead Auto110 Super. FWIW, KEH is also currently showing a LN- K100D for $144. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
On 6/27/2013 11:42 AM, Zos Xavius wrote: I would try some methanol (eclipse, sensor cleaner, etc) or failing that alcohol. The optics could be fogged internally though... :/ I'd be cautious with any potential solvent. I once tried to clean the ground "glass" focusing screen on a PZ series camera with isoproanol and learned it was actually some sort of plastic - and it instantly fogged when exposed to alcohol. It went straight to Pentax repair for a new focusing screen. I had clear actual ground glass on manual focus (LX, MX, ME's) before with no problem, so I thought nothing of it. I know this is a finder and not a focusing screen but be sure it is actual glass before using a solvent. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
Since it has happened to both Walt and I, I don't think that it is dirt, but rather something in the finder that is delaminating. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:06:04PM -0400, Mark C wrote: > On 6/27/2013 11:42 AM, Zos Xavius wrote: > >I would try some methanol (eclipse, sensor cleaner, etc) or failing > >that alcohol. The optics could be fogged internally though... :/ > I'd be cautious with any potential solvent. I once tried to clean > the ground "glass" focusing screen on a PZ series camera with > isoproanol and learned it was actually some sort of plastic - and it > instantly fogged when exposed to alcohol. It went straight to Pentax > repair for a new focusing screen. I had clear actual ground glass on > manual focus (LX, MX, ME's) before with no problem, so I thought > nothing of it. I know this is a finder and not a focusing screen but > be sure it is actual glass before using a solvent. > > Mark > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
yeah, you shouldn't clean the plastic focusing screen with solvents. I should have mentioned that. I meant the glass itself. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Mark C wrote: > On 6/27/2013 11:42 AM, Zos Xavius wrote: >> >> I would try some methanol (eclipse, sensor cleaner, etc) or failing >> that alcohol. The optics could be fogged internally though... :/ > > I'd be cautious with any potential solvent. I once tried to clean the ground > "glass" focusing screen on a PZ series camera with isoproanol and learned it > was actually some sort of plastic - and it instantly fogged when exposed to > alcohol. It went straight to Pentax repair for a new focusing screen. I had > clear actual ground glass on manual focus (LX, MX, ME's) before with no > problem, so I thought nothing of it. I know this is a finder and not a > focusing screen but be sure it is actual glass before using a solvent. > > Mark > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
My k-7 has two permanent dust spots. They are annoying for sure, but not enough for me to replace the camera just yet. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:32 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Ed Keeney >> >> Yes, the subject says it all. I've been using the K100d for 6+ years >> now. It's been a great piece of equipment. >> >> While at my daughters graduation this week, I was asked to take >> friends photos with their cameras (of course, I'm the only Pentax >> shooter). The first thing I noticed was how clear the subject looked >> through the view finder. Hmm, I thought to myself, why doesn't my >> camera look that way. I'm sure when I hand off my camera to others, >> they're thinking the same thing; this Pentax sure doesn't look good. >> >> My shots turn out fine, so the obvious issue here is that my 6 year >> old eye piece is a mess. I tried to clean it but I didn't accomplish >> anything. Does anyone have a recommendation on how to clean the eye >> piece? Should I send it out for a once over somewhere? >> >> Secondly, I happen to notice that with age comes hot pixels. The >> problem is that I'm starting to see more and more of these. A few >> months ago, it wasn't much of a hassle, but now they're showing up and >> visible more often. >> >> Next question, is there anything I can do to clear some of these hot >> pixels (service) or do I start saving my cash and preparing the better >> half for a new camera? > > > I don't clean my cameras as often as I should. I'm not afraid to take a > micro-fiber cloth and wipe the outside of the viewfinder or try to clean > spots off either end of the lens, but given the number of delicate > things I've broken over the years, I don't really want to be poking > around INSIDE the camera. > > If it needs cleaning that much, I prefer to pay someone who's not as > clumsy as I am. > > That said, if you do want to give it a go yourself ... > > A quick search for "cleaning camera eyepiece" turned up an article by > Herbert Keppler, who if I remember correctly was a Pentax user: > > http://www.ritzcamera.com/static/articles/tips/clean-slr.html > > Another search shows that the K100D does have a removable focusing screen: > > http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-camera-articles/10326-how-change-focusing-screen-k100d.html > > As to your other question: > > My K20D has a BIG hot spot - a clump of about 150 bad pixels. So far, > the spot healing tool in Adobe Camera Raw seems to be able to take care > of it reasonably well. > > I talked to the KEH rep at the PPNC convention this year about whether > to send it to KEH's repair facility or even to CRIS. > > He said getting it repaired would probably run $300 or more. > > Economically it would make more sense to buy a replacement & junk the > one I have. He's right of course. KEH has a LN- K20D for $299 right now. > > But, since the camera still works just fine otherwise, and is perfectly > usable despite the annoyance of the hot spot, I can't bring myself to do > that. I can't even force myself to get rid of a dead Super Program or my > dead Auto110 Super. > > FWIW, KEH is also currently showing a LN- K100D for $144. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
From: Zos Xavius My k-7 has two permanent dust spots. They are annoying for sure, but not enough for me to replace the camera just yet. I wish this was just dust spots. This is a clump of about 150 bad pixels (if you blow it up enough in PhotoShop you can count them). If I shoot a dark frame with the lens cap on, the spot can be seen in image review on the LCD. In light areas of an image they show up as a hard black dot. In dark areas of an image, they show up as a hard bright white dot. I can usually zoom in tight in ACR & take it out with the spot healing tool. Occasionally it's accompanied by a red line one pixel high across the width of the image. When the line is there, it's one row higher to the right of the dot than it is on the left. If the line is there, it won't come out with the spot healing tool in ACR. It has to be removed in PhotoShop itself, and it's a PITA. Still, as you say "annoying for sure, but not enough for me to replace the camera" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
Yeah, that would be annoying. My k-7 has started showing a vertical green line. Glad I'm not alone in the sensor failing dept. I mapped the pixels and it hasn't shown up since, but I'm sure it will eventually on some random irreplaceable shot. The dust i have is behind the AA filter. it shows up at nearly all apertures. Thankfully it is near the upper left corner and not in the middle. Oh and the seal around my shutter button is failing. It sometimes gets water in the shutter and on/off switch. After a day it will dry out. It took 2 hours of sitting on a tripod in a severe downpour for that to happen the other day. The half press is wonky so I moved the AF to the back button. About a year or so ago I spilled some coffee on the shutter button. I tried to get the stickiness out of the switch, but I'm guessing the contact cleaner I used probably ate into the weather sealing. Its no longer sticky at least. The cost to service it would be probably 3-400. I could buy a virtually new k-7 for that much, though I am rather fond of that camera and how abused and used it looks now. I guess I'll keep shooting with it until it totally dies or becomes unusable. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:43 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > From: Zos Xavius > >> My k-7 has two permanent dust spots. They are annoying for sure, but >> not enough for me to replace the camera just yet. > > > I wish this was just dust spots. This is a clump of about 150 bad pixels > (if you blow it up enough in PhotoShop you can count them). If I shoot a > dark frame with the lens cap on, the spot can be seen in image review on > the LCD. > > In light areas of an image they show up as a hard black dot. In dark > areas of an image, they show up as a hard bright white dot. I can > usually zoom in tight in ACR & take it out with the spot healing tool. > > Occasionally it's accompanied by a red line one pixel high across the > width of the image. When the line is there, it's one row higher to the > right of the dot than it is on the left. > > If the line is there, it won't come out with the spot healing tool in > ACR. It has to be removed in PhotoShop itself, and it's a PITA. > > Still, as you say "annoying for sure, but not enough for me to replace > the camera" > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
The sad thing is digital cameras are disposable. Unlike film cameras that if you can find film to feed them will last, (effectively), forever. On 6/28/2013 10:16 AM, Zos Xavius wrote: Yeah, that would be annoying. My k-7 has started showing a vertical green line. Glad I'm not alone in the sensor failing dept. I mapped the pixels and it hasn't shown up since, but I'm sure it will eventually on some random irreplaceable shot. The dust i have is behind the AA filter. it shows up at nearly all apertures. Thankfully it is near the upper left corner and not in the middle. Oh and the seal around my shutter button is failing. It sometimes gets water in the shutter and on/off switch. After a day it will dry out. It took 2 hours of sitting on a tripod in a severe downpour for that to happen the other day. The half press is wonky so I moved the AF to the back button. About a year or so ago I spilled some coffee on the shutter button. I tried to get the stickiness out of the switch, but I'm guessing the contact cleaner I used probably ate into the weather sealing. Its no longer sticky at least. The cost to service it would be probably 3-400. I could buy a virtually new k-7 for that much, though I am rather fond of that camera and how abused and used it looks now. I guess I'll keep shooting with it until it totally dies or becomes unusable. On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 9:43 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Zos Xavius My k-7 has two permanent dust spots. They are annoying for sure, but not enough for me to replace the camera just yet. I wish this was just dust spots. This is a clump of about 150 bad pixels (if you blow it up enough in PhotoShop you can count them). If I shoot a dark frame with the lens cap on, the spot can be seen in image review on the LCD. In light areas of an image they show up as a hard black dot. In dark areas of an image, they show up as a hard bright white dot. I can usually zoom in tight in ACR & take it out with the spot healing tool. Occasionally it's accompanied by a red line one pixel high across the width of the image. When the line is there, it's one row higher to the right of the dot than it is on the left. If the line is there, it won't come out with the spot healing tool in ACR. It has to be removed in PhotoShop itself, and it's a PITA. Still, as you say "annoying for sure, but not enough for me to replace the camera" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100d
From: "P.J. Alling" The sad thing is digital cameras are disposable. Unlike film cameras that if you can find film to feed them will last, (effectively), forever. Finding film ain't gonna' be no problem. I just look in my refrigerator & there's enough to last the rest of my lifetime. I'd really like to get some of it out of there to make room for food. I'm not so sanguine about where I'm going to get E-6 & sheet film processed in days to come. There's still a good pro lab I can use here in Raleigh, but the depressing truth is I'm afraid some day I'll go in there and they'll tell me they no longer process film. And if nothing else, I can take 35mm C-41 & E-6 to Walgreens for now. As long as I want to cross process the E-6, their machine operators would probably never notice the difference. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K100D SR
Great news. I'm looking forward to the 10 megapixel model. The older I get, the more I need IS :-). Paul K wrote: > Hi all, > > I just encountered a very brief review of the effectiveness of the > K100D (Beta) SR. > Reviewer is a well known camera writer who always has a privilege for > sneak previews. > > He is reviewing a K100D + DA 21mm F3.2 AL Limited, but no review of > the lens, only on the SR. > He talks about the difference between the RS used for A10 (using > micro-stepping motors) and the magnetic floating used for K100D which > most PDMLers know by now. > > According to him (who interviewed Pentax engineers), Pentax have been > developing this system over so many years, way before Minolta > announced the CCD shift method, and even during the film camera era. > His point is that the effectiveness of Pentax's SR is more than 2 > stops which Pentax so far disclosed. But he found that this was an > overly conservative estimate. He experimented it using various > lenses and was convinced that it really has more than 3 stops > effectiveness. > He went on to say, as most of us here know again, that he has to > wonder why Pentax have always been very "timid" (his word) in showing > this sort of specs. He said he was so frustrated that Pentax do'nt > usually brag about their accomplishments. > > Well, sounds like the Pentax's SR is indeed very effective. > > Just FYI. > > Cheers, > > Ken > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Jun 18, 2006, at 4:43 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: > Ken, do you mean than even when Pentax produced only film cameras, > they > were nonetheless working on shake reduction for an eventual digital > sensor? Hi Joe, That's what this reviewer is saying. Pal was saying that Pentax had a basic patent for the IS and it is very conceivable that they had developed all sorts of designs for the SR over the years. I am sure that they were always trying to market some form of SR but film plane cannot be shifted so the CCD shift method must be a new concept. Whether they have been developing this particular method even during the film era, I do not know, but that's certainly what the reviewer says ;-). And it is very conceivable as Pentax, over the years, have developed many things but only few made into the market. Timid marketing? Maybe. But they appear to have transformed themselves into more of a risk taker since switching to digital. Cheers, ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Thanks for the inside info, Ken. Three+ stops of shake reduction is good news indeed! Things are looking up for Pentax... Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
At least it will be, much, lighter than the D200 or D2H using the VR Nikon lens. Its pretty heavy, but the vr/sr systems really help. Looking forward for hands on inspection. Thnaks Ken Dave Quoting Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Great news. I'm looking forward to the 10 megapixel model. The older I > get, the more I need IS :-). > Paul > > K wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I just encountered a very brief review of the effectiveness of the >> K100D (Beta) SR. >> Reviewer is a well known camera writer who always has a privilege for >> sneak previews. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Ken >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
I missed the source of the review, please repeat the name of the source of the KD 100 SR review. DG At 03:43 PM 6/18/2006, you wrote: >Thanks, Ken. Great report and good news about the SR. I too wish that >Pentax was not so conservative. > >"Pentax have been developing this system over so many years, way before >Minolta announced the CCD shift method, and even during the film camera >era." > >Ken, do you mean than even when Pentax produced only film cameras, they >were nonetheless working on shake reduction for an eventual digital sensor? > >Joe > >-- >PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >PDML@pdml.net >http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Takeshita K wrote: > I just encountered a very brief review of the effectiveness of the > K100D (Beta) SR. That sounds great, but the thing I wonder about is how SR interacts with panning. That is, does it help, does it hurt, do you have to turn SR off when panning, ... -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Jun 19, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Doug Franklin wrote: > That sounds great, but the thing I wonder about is how SR interacts > with > panning. That is, does it help, does it hurt, do you have to turn SR > off when panning, ... In general, the other cameras/lenses I've owned that have image stabilization have special modes for panning which implement stabilization in the vertical direction while unlocking it in the horizontal direction. Whether the Pentax solution includes this kind of stuff or recognizes and does the right thing regarding large scale movement in one direction while maintaining stabilization service in the other is as yet unknown. At the worst, you simply turn it off for panning work. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
What sort of mount does it use? Are M and A series lenses going to work properly? -- http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
It will because the camera allows you to manually select the focal length of the lens you put on it. 2006/6/23, gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > What sort of mount does it use? Are M and A series lenses going to work > properly? > > -- > http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. > http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SFXn,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, Thibouille wrote: > It will because the camera allows you to manually select the focal > length of the lens you put on it. Can someone fill me in? Its been more than a few years since I've paid attention to anything that didn't require a tripod. :) I don't even know anything about the ist D. So, it needs to know the focal length? But, it'll stop down for me automatically, I don't have to manually stop down to do everything? I assume its not a full frame sensor, either, is it? -- http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 02:11:59PM -0400, gfen wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, Thibouille wrote: > > > It will because the camera allows you to manually select the focal > > length of the lens you put on it. > > Can someone fill me in? Its been more than a few years since I've paid > attention to anything that didn't require a tripod. :) > > I don't even know anything about the ist D. > > So, it needs to know the focal length? But, it'll stop down for me > automatically, I don't have to manually stop down to do everything? I > assume its not a full frame sensor, either, is it? All the Pentax DSLRs ar so-called APS-C sensors - around 24mm x 16mm. This means the field of view you get with any lens is the same as the field of view you get on a 35mm camera with a lens 1.5x the focal length. The Shake Reduction circuitry on the K100D (and the forthcoming K10D) needs to know the focal length of the lens. With any of the auto-focus lenses (F or FA - basically anything introduced since 1987) the camera reads this information directly from the lens - you don't have to do anything. With older lenses you have to manually enter the focal length if you want to use shake reduction. All the Pentax DSLRs work best with lenses with an "A" setting on the aperture ring (if the lens even has an aperture ring). They lack the aperture sensing lever (this is what you'll often see being referred to perjoratively as the "crippled" K-mount), so with older lenses you pretty much have to work in metered manual mode. Even there, though, you can focus and compose at full aperture - the camera will stop down automatically during exposure. And while metering has to be done stopped down, rather than at full aperture, a single push of a button will stop the lens down, take a meter reading, select an appropriate shutter speed, and open the aperture again. This all happens faster than it just took you to read about it. But this is only necessary with really old lenses - (1975 - 1983). With the "A" lenses introduced in 1983 you get the full choice of manual, aperture priority, shutter priority or program exposures. And with the "F", "FA" or "DA" lenses you also get auto-focus. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
We'll have to see about the K10D but the K100D seems to have the same mount as the D/DS/DL/2... gfen wrote: >What sort of mount does it use? Are M and A series lenses going to work >properly? > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, John Francis wrote: > automatically during exposure. And while metering has to be done > stopped down, rather than at full aperture, a single push of a button > will stop the lens down, take a meter reading, select an appropriate > shutter speed, and open the aperture again. This all happens faster > than it just took you to read about it. Alas, its just one more thing I'm stuck having to do, and it annoys me. Looks like I'm not quite ready to retire the MX or ZX5n yet. :) What's the difference between the K100D and the K10D, and where are they pricing these things at? -- http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:18 AM, gfen wrote: > What's the difference between the K100D and the K10D, and where are > they > pricing these things at? From Shel's B&H post -- > $619.00 for the K100D with SR, > $519.00 for the K110D w/out SR The K100D has shake reduction, the K110D does not. Otherwise, they are the same. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, P. J. Alling wrote: > We'll have to see about the K10D but the K100D seems to have the same > mount as the D/DS/DL/2... Pentax has released this many digital cameras? Yow, I have been gone a long time...Although, I see most of the same names on the list as the last two times I've popped back to read it. What became of the film line? Dead? The Brotherhood? DIsbanded? The Little Brotherhood, also dead I assume.. or did they actually put out some sort of MF/645 based digital thingy as rumoured last time I was 'round here? -- http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:26 AM, gfen wrote: > The Brotherhood? DIsbanded? We've simply raised our rates. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
I'm sure they will all share the same mount. Paul On Jun 24, 2006, at 12:41 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: > We'll have to see about the K10D but the K100D seems to have the same > mount as the D/DS/DL/2... > > gfen wrote: > >> What sort of mount does it use? Are M and A series lenses going to >> work >> properly? >> >> >> > > > -- > When you're worried or in doubt, > Run in circles, (scream and shout). > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
There is still the Brotherhood, but I think there is a new head of the order - Abbot Norm. Regards, Bob S. On 6/24/06, gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, P. J. Alling wrote: > > We'll have to see about the K10D but the K100D seems to have the same > > mount as the D/DS/DL/2... > > Pentax has released this many digital cameras? Yow, I have been gone a > long time...Although, I see most of the same names on the list as the last > two times I've popped back to read it. > > What became of the film line? Dead? > > The Brotherhood? DIsbanded? > > The Little Brotherhood, also dead I assume.. or did they actually put out > some sort of MF/645 based digital thingy as rumoured last time I was > 'round here? > > -- > http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. > http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
- Original Message - From: "gfen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The Little Brotherhood, also dead I assume.. or did they actually > put out > some sort of MF/645 based digital thingy as rumoured last time I was > 'round here? Sisterhood, if you please. :-) We sit on our hands, and save up for Christmas. Sister Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, Jostein wrote: > Sisterhood, if you please. :-) Wait for it...No, I do not approve this namechange. :) I'll be sticking with "Little Brother," thank you very much. ;) -- http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
The K10D is expected to be 10mp the K100D is still 6mp. That's the major difference. (The K10D may have a bigger buffer, and I'm really hoping for an aperture simulator, or 1.3 crop instead of APS-C but neither is likely). gfen wrote: >On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, John Francis wrote: > > >>automatically during exposure. And while metering has to be done >>stopped down, rather than at full aperture, a single push of a button >>will stop the lens down, take a meter reading, select an appropriate >>shutter speed, and open the aperture again. This all happens faster >>than it just took you to read about it. >> >> > >Alas, its just one more thing I'm stuck having to do, and it annoys me. > >Looks like I'm not quite ready to retire the MX or ZX5n yet. :) > >What's the difference between the K100D and the K10D, and where are they >pricing these things at? > > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
645d is expected real soon now... gfen wrote: >On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, P. J. Alling wrote: > > >>We'll have to see about the K10D but the K100D seems to have the same >>mount as the D/DS/DL/2... >> >> > >Pentax has released this many digital cameras? Yow, I have been gone a >long time...Although, I see most of the same names on the list as the last >two times I've popped back to read it. > >What became of the film line? Dead? > >The Brotherhood? DIsbanded? > >The Little Brotherhood, also dead I assume.. or did they actually put out >some sort of MF/645 based digital thingy as rumoured last time I was >'round here? > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Hello gfen, Not sure why you are saying alas. You haven't tried it. I have used an MX for many, many years and it is among my favorite bodies of all time. The process that John described is faster to use than an MX. So if you are happy with your MX, you should not be significantly bothered by the Pentax DSLR. -- Bruce Saturday, June 24, 2006, 5:18:38 AM, you wrote: g> On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, John Francis wrote: >> automatically during exposure. And while metering has to be done >> stopped down, rather than at full aperture, a single push of a button >> will stop the lens down, take a meter reading, select an appropriate >> shutter speed, and open the aperture again. This all happens faster >> than it just took you to read about it. g> Alas, its just one more thing I'm stuck having to do, and it annoys me. g> Looks like I'm not quite ready to retire the MX or ZX5n yet. :) g> What's the difference between the K100D and the K10D, and where are they g> pricing these things at? g> -- g> http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. g> http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
- Original Message - From: "Bruce Dayton" Subject: Re: K100D SR > Hello gfen, > > Not sure why you are saying alas. You haven't tried it. I have used > an MX for many, many years and it is among my favorite bodies of all > time. The process that John described is faster to use than an MX. > So if you are happy with your MX, you should not be significantly > bothered by the Pentax DSLR. Some people want the machine to do all the work for them. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, Bruce Dayton wrote: > Not sure why you are saying alas. You haven't tried it. I have used I'm lazy, that's why. Incredibly lazy. And forgetful. Incredibly forgetful. Its something I don't desire to have to do, I ratehr apprechaite that the camera is smart enough that I don't have to stop down to meter. Now, its easier having to press the DoF button to meter rather than stopping down, but I still choose to avoid it as much as possible. Its another headache I don't need to worry about. I've already got a camera that requires me jump through hoops, setting, doublechecking, and resetting a series of dials, widgets, and bits. I kinda considered the move from the ZX5n (which I use more than the MX, I should really sell that) to a digital body to be streamlining things, I don't want to have to remember to do that every time I might happent o use one of the two or so lenses that don't have an "A" setting. Two? Crap, maybe only one.. but its the point of it. Bugs me. Incredibly lazy, forgetful, and a total whiner. That's me. All the electric bells and whistles don't mean squat if I have to remember to fidget them into working right. A 645d sounds delightful, though, coz I know all of my 645 lenses have "A"utomatic settings, except I know I can't afford one o' them. :) -- http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, William Robb wrote: > Some people want the machine to do all the work for them. Damn skippy. Robocamera better do it all, otherwise its not much of a convienence. Look, maybe I'm just rehashing 4 year old arguments that no one right cares abotu anymore, I can acknowledge thate veryone else has probably moved on and accepted this "feature," but I'm not. I retain the right to live in the past, and as such I prefer to think that their new fangled digital camera is gonna do what I want it to do when I want it to do it, not require me to remember to flip this switch here when I need to this feature here, but only once in awhile when I'm using some particular lenses. I'm not a complete bastard about it, though. Fine, so in order for SR to work, you need to tell it the focal length. Makes sense to me. It can't do any automatic features with a M42 lens attached to it through an adapter. This I can accept. But I don't want to accept that its not smart enough to replicate a feature thats been on every one of the camera bodies since the mid '70s, including the MZ-S from which I think all the rest of this descends. Fine, eventually I'll have to crack one way or another, I suppose, and just give in. But I can assure you that I can hold on for as long as I need to and will be happy to buy one on the used market in a year or two rather than a brand new one for want of something as simple as not having to press the DoF preview to meter. -- http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 08:18:38AM -0400, gfen wrote: > On Fri, 23 Jun 2006, John Francis wrote: > > automatically during exposure. And while metering has to be done > > stopped down, rather than at full aperture, a single push of a button > > will stop the lens down, take a meter reading, select an appropriate > > shutter speed, and open the aperture again. This all happens faster > > than it just took you to read about it. > > Alas, its just one more thing I'm stuck having to do, and it annoys me. > > Looks like I'm not quite ready to retire the MX or ZX5n yet. :) If you object to having to push a button, why on earth would you consider using the MX, where you have to rotate a knob to set the shutter speed (much harder to do with the camera to your eye!). :-) [That's a joke - I still have two MXs, and understand their appeal] > What's the difference between the K100D and the K10D, and where are they > pricing these things at? Nobody knows what the price of the K10D will be. (Or, to be precise, those who do know aren't allowed to tell anyone). The known differences between it and the K100D are 10MP vs 6MP, the two-thumb-wheel interface (as found on the PZ bodies and the *ist-D), and better weather sealing. And, probably, the ability to take an external battery/portrait grip. I'd also expect it to have everything the *ist-D has (0.95+ viewfinder magnification, wireless flash control, PC socket, etc., etc.) - this camera is targeted at the advanced amateur, and as an upgrade body. We are also led to believe it will have a much faster frame rate (and bigger buffer) than any of the current Pentax DSLRs, and improved auto focus. Beyond that, rumour and speculation are rife, especially as there are two new lenses (a 28-50/f2.8 and a 50-135/f2.8) scheduled for release shortly after the K10D body; do Pentax plan to stay with in-body auto-focus motors, or will we see USM or other in-lens motors? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 01:37:21PM -0400, gfen wrote: > > But I don't want to accept that its not smart enough to replicate a > feature thats been on every one of the camera bodies since the mid '70s, > including the MZ-S from which I think all the rest of this descends. You're not alone in this - there are still a few die-hards here who say they'll refuse to buy the K10D if it doesn't re-introduce the aperture sensing mechanism (omitted from all the digital bodies). Personally I think they're flogging a dead horse - most of the new lenses don't even have aperture rings, so it's unlikely that Pentax will bother with adding something they've already decided to drop. You're mistaken in your belief that the digital bodies are is some way descendants of the MZ-S. The proposed MZ-D (with a full frame sensor) never made it to market. If it had, then we may well have seen aperture rings on the lenses, and aperture being set that way as it is on the MZ bodies. But, instead, we got cameras with the control interface of the PZ bodies, where the lens is left set to the "A" setting, and everything is controlled by the finger/thumb control wheels on the body. My *ist-D is, operationally, almost identical to my PZ-1p. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, John Francis wrote: > as it is on the MZ bodies. But, instead, we got cameras with the > control interface of the PZ bodies, where the lens is left set to > the "A" setting, and everything is controlled by the finger/thumb > control wheels on the body. My *ist-D is, operationally, almost > identical to my PZ-1p. Woah, evidently I misread what was originally said.. I didn't grasp this at all. So... I have to set the aperature from the camera body? I don't have the privlege of doing it the right way, with the ring on the lens itself? My interest just waned that much more. I'm evidently going to continue being a bitter hold out, and to think, I was close to wafflign when I saw the prices at B&H (I didn't realize they had gone so low, down to $420 for some variation, the DL*ist I suppose). Sigh, I guess it was a sign of the times when the FAJ without the aperature rings came out. I presume the "DA" lenses are specifically designed to not cover full frame and are also FAJ mount? Maybe its time I buy that Leica after all and ascend to snobbery the proper way. :) Gah, next thing someone'll tell me they've gone all funny, too... -- http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Quoting Bob Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > There is still the Brotherhood, but I think there is a new head of > the order - > Abbot Norm. > Regards, Bob S. > Norm's our new leader. I'm selling the 6x7 then. Liz, don't answer the phone Dave Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Except that on the PZ-1p the aperture ring was fully supported too. John Francis wrote: >On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 01:37:21PM -0400, gfen wrote: > > >>But I don't want to accept that its not smart enough to replicate a >>feature thats been on every one of the camera bodies since the mid '70s, >>including the MZ-S from which I think all the rest of this descends. >> >> > >You're not alone in this - there are still a few die-hards here who >say they'll refuse to buy the K10D if it doesn't re-introduce the >aperture sensing mechanism (omitted from all the digital bodies). >Personally I think they're flogging a dead horse - most of the new >lenses don't even have aperture rings, so it's unlikely that Pentax >will bother with adding something they've already decided to drop. > >You're mistaken in your belief that the digital bodies are is some >way descendants of the MZ-S. The proposed MZ-D (with a full frame >sensor) never made it to market. If it had, then we may well have >seen aperture rings on the lenses, and aperture being set that way >as it is on the MZ bodies. But, instead, we got cameras with the >control interface of the PZ bodies, where the lens is left set to >the "A" setting, and everything is controlled by the finger/thumb >control wheels on the body. My *ist-D is, operationally, almost >identical to my PZ-1p. > > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 02:27:31PM -0400, gfen wrote: > > So... I have to set the aperature from the camera body? I don't have the > privlege of doing it the right way, with the ring on the lens itself? Not if you want to use the automatic exposure features of the body. If you want to set the aperture the "right" way (guess you've never used a really long telephoto lens on a monopod - you don't have a hand anywhere near the aperture ring) then you're just going to have to set the shutter speed the "right" way yourself. And what's wrong with pushing a button to meter? It was good enough for the Spotmatic; this new-fangled full-time, full-aperture metering is for wimps who don't know how to do it the right way. Not that real photographers need a meter, anyway. Get some "new" lenses (that's anything made in the last 25+ years) and you'll be able to use all the features of the body, including spot metering (not available with older lenses). Or switch to a DSLR manufacturer with a better backwards compatibility story than Pentax. Oh, wait - there aren't any. Still, switch anyway - that will show them! > Sigh, I guess it was a sign of the times when the FAJ without the > aperature rings came out. I presume the "DA" lenses are specifically > designed to not cover full frame and are also FAJ mount? Yep. You're right, too, that you're just rehashing old arguments that have been played out here, in excruciating detail, too many times. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, John Francis wrote: > Get some "new" lenses (that's anything made in the last 25+ years) Sometimes they really don't make 'em like they used to, y'know...A moot argument for me, but not for everyone here. > Pentax. Oh, wait - there aren't any. Still, switch anyway - that > will show them! Or I can continue functioning along like I always have, but drop the broad support I've always given Pentax in the past for producing excellent optics and cameras and the right price. If there's no DSLR that provides me the proper usage of the aperature ring, well then so be it. I didn't need a DSLR anyways. I'm not sure why there's a chip on your shoulder because some people have a preference for doing things they way they always have, and because some people don't like to give up features and methods that have worked across teh board so we can fidget with wee little buttons and menus. > You're right, too, that you're just rehashing old arguments that > have been played out here, in excruciating detail, too many times. Ain't the Internet grand? -- http://www.infotainment.org <-> more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com<-> photography and portfolio. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Gfen, My viewpoint if you care: - Don't bash until you try it. This refers to the thumbwheels (with the current price-crash of the film bodies you can buy a PZ body at the price of chewing gum) and the kludge for the aperture (I played with Jaume's DL last week and I was not terribly inconvenienced, though I am as lazy and error-prone as you claimed earlier). - I am not terribly happy about it myself, but I would bet we will never see another camera with the aperture lever. A straightforward corollary of this is that the current arrangement is the best we can get. I doubt Nikon betters the Pentax scheme, though I may be wrong. - I am tempted by the SR feature. - I am extremely happy with film (despite just having lost three films on the post). - I am sticking with the MZ-S (though I should sell one of the two), but this has nothing to do with the aperture lever. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
- Original Message - From: "gfen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, Jostein wrote: >> Sisterhood, if you please. :-) > > Wait for it...No, I do not approve this namechange. :) I'll be > sticking > with "Little Brother," thank you very much. ;) Well that's what you get for leaving us for so long. Welcome back anyway! :-) Seriously, the 645D is officially in the pipelines, as described by this news release from Pentax Japan just before PMA 2006: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/news/2006/200615.html Also, if you look at the lens development roadmap, you'll see that they are reviving the 645-format 55mm lens, a focal lenght that was never produced in AF version for the N and NII. http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf With an expected crop factor of 1.3 for the digital sensor, 55mm will become a "normal" lens. Photokina might look very interesting for Pentax users this year. :-) Jostein -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 03:15:33PM -0400, gfen wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, John Francis wrote: > > Get some "new" lenses (that's anything made in the last 25+ years) > > Sometimes they really don't make 'em like they used to, y'know...A moot > argument for me, but not for everyone here. There are only a few of the pre-"A" K-mount lenses that measure up to their later counterparts in an objective (sic) test. And when you also take into account the different crop factor of the DSLRs, you'll often find that those lenses aren't as much use to you anymore - they're the wrong focal length. > > Pentax. Oh, wait - there aren't any. Still, switch anyway - that > > will show them! > > Or I can continue functioning along like I always have, but drop the broad > support I've always given Pentax in the past for producing excellent > optics and cameras and the right price. They still do produce excellent cameras and optics at the right price. > If there's no DSLR that provides me the proper usage of the aperature > ring, well then so be it. I didn't need a DSLR anyways. Then don't get one - stick with film, or a rangefinder, and you'll be happy. > I'm not sure why there's a chip on your shoulder because some people have > a preference for doing things they way they always have, and because some > people don't like to give up features and methods that have worked across > teh board so we can fidget with wee little buttons and menus. I have absolutely no problem with that. Although, as others have pointed out, you really shouldn't condemn things until you try them; some of the loudest complainers on this list in the past have found that once they put their prejudices aside things really weren't as bad as they had been fearing. In my initial answers I tried to be even-handed in the way I described what was, and was not, possible with the current Pentax DSLR bodies. It's only your continued arrogance in suggesting that what _you_ want to do is the only "right" or "proper" way to do things that irks me. > > You're right, too, that you're just rehashing old arguments that > > have been played out here, in excruciating detail, too many times. > > Ain't the Internet grand? Not really. But I'm bored ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Jun 24, 2006, at 11:27 AM, gfen wrote: > My interest just waned that much more. I'm evidently going to continue > being a bitter hold out .. You're going to be bitter a long time, I'm afraid. > Sigh, I guess it was a sign of the times when the FAJ without the > aperature rings came out. I presume the "DA" lenses are specifically > designed to not cover full frame and are also FAJ mount? All DA lenses are similar to the FA-J in not having aperture rings. Control of the lens is up to the body. > Maybe its time I buy that Leica after all and ascend to snobbery the > proper way. :) ... With a close relationship to the manager at your bank? ;-) > Gah, next thing someone'll tell me they've gone all funny, too... Leica is due to introduce a digital version of the M able to take its M-bayonet lenses later this year. I have also heard the rumor that they will introduce Leica-branded version of the Panasonic DMC-L1 SLR with 4/3 system lens mount. Life moves on. You either stick with what you have because you like it, or you move with the way things go. I do a little of both. I bought the Pentax DS, enjoyed a bevy of older lenses, but then upgraded one at a time to the latest series and sold off the older ones. You get the most out of a modern body with the latest lenses. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
gfen wrote: >On Sat, 24 Jun 2006, John Francis wrote: > > >>Get some "new" lenses (that's anything made in the last 25+ years) >> >> > >Sometimes they really don't make 'em like they used to, y'know...A moot >argument for me, but not for everyone here. > > > >>Pentax. Oh, wait - there aren't any. Still, switch anyway - that >>will show them! >> >> > >Or I can continue functioning along like I always have, but drop the broad >support I've always given Pentax in the past for producing excellent >optics and cameras and the right price. > >If there's no DSLR that provides me the proper usage of the aperature >ring, well then so be it. I didn't need a DSLR anyways. > > There are a few, the upcoming Panasonic DMC-L1 will allow for aperture rings (But only on Panasonic/Leica lenses, the Oly and Sigma lenses in that mount all lack them) and even has a shutter speed dial. The higher end Nikons will allow for them only with Manual Focus lenses (AF lenses require setting aperture from the body, as do the rare AI-P MF lenses, Program and Shutter priority require AF/AI-P lenses). The Pentax units (Which are all currently descended from the *ist film SLR, which uses the PZ-style interface) will allow you to use the aperture ring, but only with stop-down metering. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
While you're within reason to expect a robocamera to work robomiracles, it seems somewhat perverse to insist that it perform these miracles while working with three-decade-old lenses. No matter what you believe, your MZ body is also crippled with these lenses, just not as obviously. As to wee buttons and menus -- what are you talking about? Oh, right, more complaints about the significantly smarter and easier to use implementation of common functions from someone who hasn't used the camera. I realize that you feel no one else in the universe is qualified to design a camera interface, but perhaps you should look at the camera before declaring that it's no good? When I first used an ME Super, I thought its controls were a disastrous miscalculation. After two weeks, I couldn't to back to a top-mounted dial for shutter speed. Everyone did it forever, but you know what? The top-mounted dial is a terrible control mechanism for a camera! The DS2 is remarkably well thought out for shooting. I realized today that I never need to look at the top of the camera for anything aside from exposure mode. If the top LCD was broken it would probablyvtake me weeks to notice. It's superfluous, but it's there to placate those accustomed to looking at the top of their cameras. -Aaron -Original Message- From: gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm not sure why there's a chip on your shoulder because some people have a preference for doing things they way they always have, and because some people don't like to give up features and methods that have worked across teh board so we can fidget with wee little buttons and menus. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Well said, Aaron. On Jun 24, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Aaron Reynolds wrote: > While you're within reason to expect a robocamera to work > robomiracles, it seems somewhat perverse to insist that it perform > these miracles while working with three-decade-old lenses. No matter > what you believe, your MZ body is also crippled with these lenses, > just not as obviously. > > As to wee buttons and menus -- what are you talking about? Oh, right, > more complaints about the significantly smarter and easier to use > implementation of common functions from someone who hasn't used the > camera. > > I realize that you feel no one else in the universe is qualified to > design a camera interface, but perhaps you should look at the camera > before declaring that it's no good? > > When I first used an ME Super, I thought its controls were a > disastrous miscalculation. After two weeks, I couldn't to back to a > top-mounted dial for shutter speed. Everyone did it forever, but you > know what? The top-mounted dial is a terrible control mechanism for a > camera! > > The DS2 is remarkably well thought out for shooting. I realized today > that I never need to look at the top of the camera for anything aside > from exposure mode. If the top LCD was broken it would probablyvtake > me weeks to notice. It's superfluous, but it's there to placate those > accustomed to looking at the top of their cameras. > > -Aaron > > -Original Message- > > From: gfen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'm not sure why there's a chip on your shoulder because some people > have > a preference for doing things they way they always have, and because > some > people don't like to give up features and methods that have worked > across > teh board so we can fidget with wee little buttons and menus. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:26 AM, gfen wrote: > Pentax has released this many digital cameras? The SLRs that we've seen: *ist D - the "pro" body, now eclipsed in some ways by the consumer bodies that followed *istDS - same sensor and viewfinder, different control layout, smaller, no battery grip, faster write speed and larger buffer *istDL - same as the DS but with a pentamirror instead of a pentaprism, fewer AF points, poorer flash handling, smaller buffer *istDS2 - same as the DS but with a bigger rear LCD *istDL2 - same as the DL but with a bigger rear LCD So really there are only three bodies -- the two "2" versions are just really minor updates. All of these except the DL2 are currently out of production. What's coming: K100D - midway between the DS2 and the DL2, with the pentamirror and a smaller buffer but with the addition of body-side anti-shake K110D - the K100D without anti-shake Those two will be out in the next few weeks. K10D - anti-shake, 10MP sensor, not much else is really known for certain. At least, not that people can talk about. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
The difference between the DL and DL2 is the AF unt (3 point vs 5 point), the LCD is the same 2.5" unit introduced on the DL, and common with the DS2. -Adam Aaron Reynolds wrote: >On Jun 24, 2006, at 8:26 AM, gfen wrote: > > > >>Pentax has released this many digital cameras? >> >> > >The SLRs that we've seen: > >*ist D - the "pro" body, now eclipsed in some ways by the consumer >bodies that followed >*istDS - same sensor and viewfinder, different control layout, smaller, >no battery grip, faster write speed and larger buffer >*istDL - same as the DS but with a pentamirror instead of a pentaprism, >fewer AF points, poorer flash handling, smaller buffer >*istDS2 - same as the DS but with a bigger rear LCD >*istDL2 - same as the DL but with a bigger rear LCD > >So really there are only three bodies -- the two "2" versions are just >really minor updates. All of these except the DL2 are currently out of >production. > >What's coming: > >K100D - midway between the DS2 and the DL2, with the pentamirror and a >smaller buffer but with the addition of body-side anti-shake >K110D - the K100D without anti-shake > >Those two will be out in the next few weeks. > >K10D - anti-shake, 10MP sensor, not much else is really known for >certain. At least, not that people can talk about. > >-Aaron > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Jun 25, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > The difference between the DL and DL2 is the AF unt (3 point vs 5 > point), the LCD is the same 2.5" unit introduced on the DL, and common > with the DS2. See, I knew I'd screw some of it up. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Aaron Reynolds wrote: >On Jun 25, 2006, at 12:50 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > > > >>The difference between the DL and DL2 is the AF unt (3 point vs 5 >>point), the LCD is the same 2.5" unit introduced on the DL, and common >>with the DS2. >> >> > >See, I knew I'd screw some of it up. > >-Aaron > > > Don't worry about it ;-) It's hard to keep track of with all the minor differences. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On 25/6/06, Aaron Reynolds, discombobulated, unleashed: >*ist D - the "pro" body Mark! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
> > >I have also heard the rumor that >they will introduce Leica-branded version of the Panasonic DMC-L1 SLR >with 4/3 system lens mount. > The 14-50mm/F2.8-3.5 Leica D Vario Elmarit is equipped with an aperture ring. It may be the only four thirds DSLR specific lens so equipped but it has one. gfen, should be happy. Hell if Panasonic can do it why not Pentax? http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022609panasonicdmcl1.asp Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: >On Jun 24, 2006, at 11:27 AM, gfen wrote: > > > >>My interest just waned that much more. I'm evidently going to continue >>being a bitter hold out .. >> >> > >You're going to be bitter a long time, I'm afraid. > > > >>Sigh, I guess it was a sign of the times when the FAJ without the >>aperature rings came out. I presume the "DA" lenses are specifically >>designed to not cover full frame and are also FAJ mount? >> >> > >All DA lenses are similar to the FA-J in not having aperture rings. >Control of the lens is up to the body. > > > >>Maybe its time I buy that Leica after all and ascend to snobbery the >>proper way. :) ... >> >> > >With a close relationship to the manager at your bank? ;-) > > > >>Gah, next thing someone'll tell me they've gone all funny, too... >> >> > >Leica is due to introduce a digital version of the M able to take its >M-bayonet lenses later this year. I have also heard the rumor that >they will introduce Leica-branded version of the Panasonic DMC-L1 SLR >with 4/3 system lens mount. > >Life moves on. You either stick with what you have because you like >it, or you move with the way things go. I do a little of both. I >bought the Pentax DS, enjoyed a bevy of older lenses, but then >upgraded one at a time to the latest series and sold off the older >ones. You get the most out of a modern body with the latest lenses. > >Godfrey > > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Jun 25, 2006, at 12:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > The 14-50mm/F2.8-3.5 Leica D Vario Elmarit is equipped with an aperture > ring. It may be the only four thirds DSLR specific lens so equipped > but > it has one. gfen, should be happy. Hell if Panasonic can do it why > not > Pentax? Is this a standard aperture ring that will work on the mechanical cameras, or a simulated electronic aperture ring? Does this Leica/Panasonic support full metering etc with old lenses without electronic contacts? -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Aaron Reynolds wrote: >On Jun 25, 2006, at 12:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > >>The 14-50mm/F2.8-3.5 Leica D Vario Elmarit is equipped with an aperture >>ring. It may be the only four thirds DSLR specific lens so equipped >>but >>it has one. gfen, should be happy. Hell if Panasonic can do it why >>not >>Pentax? >> >> > >Is this a standard aperture ring that will work on the mechanical >cameras, or a simulated electronic aperture ring? > >Does this Leica/Panasonic support full metering etc with old lenses >without electronic contacts? > >-Aaron > > > Electronic aperture ring, 4/3rd's mount has no mechanical connections. But there are no mechanical cameras that you could mount the lens on anyways. All 4/3rds bodies do stop down metering with adapter-mounted lenses, there are no non-electronic lenses for the mount. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Jun 25, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > Electronic aperture ring, 4/3rd's mount has no mechanical connections. > But there are no mechanical cameras that you could mount the lens on > anyways. All 4/3rds bodies do stop down metering with adapter-mounted > lenses, there are no non-electronic lenses for the mount. I don't exactly see the advantage, then, over Pentax's implementation. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Aaron Reynolds wrote: >On Jun 25, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > > > >>Electronic aperture ring, 4/3rd's mount has no mechanical connections. >>But there are no mechanical cameras that you could mount the lens on >>anyways. All 4/3rds bodies do stop down metering with adapter-mounted >>lenses, there are no non-electronic lenses for the mount. >> >> > >I don't exactly see the advantage, then, over Pentax's implementation. > >-Aaron > > > Some prefer that interface. I find using one hand for aperture and the other to change shutter comes naturally, while using one hand to do both is more awkward. I actually prefer the aperture ring+thumbwheel interface of the early Nikon AF bodies (I think you can shoot a PZ-series camera this way as well). Doing everything with one hand never came naturally to me, whether a two-wheel or wheel+button interface, but the thumbwheel was always quicker than a shutter dial. The DMC-L1 actually uses the same interface as the MZ-5n, with a shutter speed dial and aperture ring, both with A settings that determine mode. The L1 however allows setting shutterspeed in 1/3 stops (it has settings for 2/60 seconds, 1 through 1/800 and 1000/4000, the first and last require using the control wheel to pick the actual shutter speed, bit wierd, but looks like it will work well). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: K100D SR
> > Electronic aperture ring, 4/3rd's mount has no mechanical > connections. > > But there are no mechanical cameras that you could mount the lens on > > anyways. All 4/3rds bodies do stop down metering with > adapter-mounted > > lenses, there are no non-electronic lenses for the mount. > > I don't exactly see the advantage, then, over Pentax's implementation. > > -Aaron > There is no advantage for what you're after. However, with the new Panasonic camera and Leitz lens, you can continue to use a shutter speed dial and aperture in their accustomed places rather than having to learn a new set of movements for a new camera. Old dogs, new tricks and all that. One of the things I have noticed in learning to use the E-500 is that the aperture and shutter speed are controlled from a single dial, so their operation is modal. In man-machine interface design it's usually considered preferable to have separate controls for separate functions to avoid modes, rather than overloading controls. Under some circumstances I like to be able to vary both at the same time, which is not possible with the setup as it is. To use the dial in its non-default mode you have to press an interlock, which is not very conveniently placed for me. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Jun 25, 2006, at 9:18 AM, P. J. Alling wrote: >> I have also heard the rumor that >> they will introduce Leica-branded version of the Panasonic DMC-L1 SLR >> with 4/3 system lens mount. > > The 14-50mm/F2.8-3.5 Leica D Vario Elmarit is equipped with an > aperture > ring. It may be the only four thirds DSLR specific lens so > equipped but > it has one. gfen, should be happy. Hell if Panasonic can do it > why not > Pentax? > > http://www.dpreview.com/news/0602/06022609panasonicdmcl1.asp The aperture ring in that lens will only work in conjunction with the Panasonic L1 body, not with the Olympus bodies that share the 4/3 mount which control the aperture via on-body controls. The aperture is controlled by the body, the ring is simply an alternative actuator for the in-body aperture control wheel. As such, it adds probably a nice chunk of dollars or so to the price of the lens as well as some bulk. I agree that aperture control on the lens like this presents a familiar user interface. Do you want to spend lots of additional money for every lens to have it just because you don't want to accommodate the more modern and (usually cited to be) more convenient thumbwheel to control the aperture? Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
How could it possibly work on a mechanical camera, it's a 4/3 lens, I know of no 4/3 mechanical cameras. They don't support any old lenses because there are none. If however you read the review you will see that the Panasonic uses the old method for selecting program mode set the lens to a, (on the aperture ring), and the shutter speed dial, (yes it has an "old fashioned" shutter speed dial, very old fashioned), to automatic and you get program exposure. This might make using other 4/3 lenses from other manufactures problematic but I expect there's a workaround. Several immediately spring to mind. However there is nothing keeping Pentax from implementing an electronic f stop ring. It is possible in fact to allow the use of F and FA lenses that way now, as these lenses report the exact selected aperture digitally to the camera body. Aaron Reynolds wrote: >On Jun 25, 2006, at 12:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > > > >>The 14-50mm/F2.8-3.5 Leica D Vario Elmarit is equipped with an aperture >>ring. It may be the only four thirds DSLR specific lens so equipped >>but >>it has one. gfen, should be happy. Hell if Panasonic can do it why >>not >>Pentax? >> >> > >Is this a standard aperture ring that will work on the mechanical >cameras, or a simulated electronic aperture ring? > >Does this Leica/Panasonic support full metering etc with old lenses >without electronic contacts? > >-Aaron > > > -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
The L1 selects mode and aperture via the command dial with non-aperture ring lenses. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: >How could it possibly work on a mechanical camera, it's a 4/3 lens, I >know of no 4/3 mechanical cameras. They don't support any old lenses >because there are none. If however you read the review you will see >that the Panasonic uses the old method for selecting program mode set >the lens to a, (on the aperture ring), and the shutter speed dial, (yes >it has an "old fashioned" shutter speed dial, very old fashioned), to >automatic and you get program exposure. This might make using other 4/3 >lenses from other manufactures problematic but I expect there's a >workaround. Several immediately spring to mind. However there is >nothing keeping Pentax from implementing an electronic f stop ring. It >is possible in fact to allow the use of F and FA lenses that way now, as >these lenses report the exact selected aperture digitally to the camera >body. > >Aaron Reynolds wrote: > > > >>On Jun 25, 2006, at 12:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>The 14-50mm/F2.8-3.5 Leica D Vario Elmarit is equipped with an aperture >>>ring. It may be the only four thirds DSLR specific lens so equipped >>>but >>>it has one. gfen, should be happy. Hell if Panasonic can do it why >>>not >>>Pentax? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Is this a standard aperture ring that will work on the mechanical >>cameras, or a simulated electronic aperture ring? >> >>Does this Leica/Panasonic support full metering etc with old lenses >>without electronic contacts? >> >>-Aaron >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Jun 25, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > I actually prefer the aperture ring+thumbwheel interface of the early > Nikon AF bodies (I think you can shoot a PZ-series camera this way as > well). Doing everything with one hand never came naturally to me, > whether a two-wheel or wheel+button interface, but the thumbwheel was > always quicker than a shutter dial. See, I thought I preferred the aperture ring until I actually tried not using it because it wasn't available to me any more. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Jun 25, 2006, at 5:11 AM, William Robb wrote: > Some people want the machine to do all the work for them. That's the whole point of building a machine to start with. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On 2006-06-23 15:21, John Francis wrote: > All the Pentax DSLRs ar so-called APS-C sensors - around 24mm x 16mm. > This means the field of view you get with any lens is the same as the > field of view you get on a 35mm camera with a lens 1.5x the focal length. ... while the view finder is 1/1.5 darker!? (67%) Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Your maths is wrong. .33 darker. And as the viewfinders happen to be very good, I personally don't notice the difference. It's only like going from a 1.4 to a 1.7 lens. John On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:12:53 +0100, Martin Trautmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2006-06-23 15:21, John Francis wrote: >> All the Pentax DSLRs ar so-called APS-C sensors - around 24mm x 16mm. >> This means the field of view you get with any lens is the same as the >> field of view you get on a 35mm camera with a lens 1.5x the focal >> length. > > ... while the view finder is 1/1.5 darker!? (67%) > > Martin > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Aaron Reynolds wrote: >On Jun 25, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Adam Maas wrote: > > > >>I actually prefer the aperture ring+thumbwheel interface of the early >>Nikon AF bodies (I think you can shoot a PZ-series camera this way as >>well). Doing everything with one hand never came naturally to me, >>whether a two-wheel or wheel+button interface, but the thumbwheel was >>always quicker than a shutter dial. >> >> > >See, I thought I preferred the aperture ring until I actually tried not >using it because it wasn't available to me any more. > >-Aaron > > > I came to my conclusion on preferences after trying essentially every interface when I got back into photography. I actually started with a body that had the thumbwheel+button interface (like the DS), which I certainly can live with. Right now I own bodies with that interface, as well as the classic ring+dial and the ring+thumbwheel. I tend to use the old bodies the most for other reasons though. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
- Original Message - From: "David Mann" Subject: Re: K100D SR >> Some people want the machine to do all the work for them. > > That's the whole point of building a machine to start with. I still like to shift my own gears. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
Thanks, that's what I would have wanted to say (only 67 % left). Since there are not that many f1.4 lenses left, it's more like 2.8 to 3.5 (or 3.43) ;-) On 2006-06-26 13:14, John Forbes wrote: > Your maths is wrong. .33 darker. And as the viewfinders happen to be > very good, I personally don't notice the difference. It's only like going > from a 1.4 to a 1.7 lens. > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:12:53 +0100, Martin Trautmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> On 2006-06-23 15:21, John Francis wrote: >>> All the Pentax DSLRs ar so-called APS-C sensors - around 24mm x 16mm. >>> This means the field of view you get with any lens is the same as the >>> field of view you get on a 35mm camera with a lens 1.5x the focal >>> length. >> >> ... while the view finder is 1/1.5 darker!? (67%) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On 26/6/06, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: >I still like to shift my own gears. Mark! That's a classic. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 01:12:53PM +0200, Martin Trautmann wrote: > On 2006-06-23 15:21, John Francis wrote: > > All the Pentax DSLRs ar so-called APS-C sensors - around 24mm x 16mm. > > This means the field of view you get with any lens is the same as the > > field of view you get on a 35mm camera with a lens 1.5x the focal length. > > ... while the view finder is 1/1.5 darker!? (67%) Depends on the camera. The magnification of the *ist-D viewfinder is the same as that of my MX, and it appears equally bright (just cropped to a smaller image area, of course). On my MZ-S, with a lower viewfinder magnification (there has to be somewhere to stick the extra in-viewfinder information) the image is brighter. But I never heard anybody say they preferred the MZ-S viewfinder to that of the MX. The entry model DSLRs from some other vendors have a significantly lower magnfication, as well as the cropped image area, leading to an effect which has been likened to looking down a tunnel. There has to be a trade-off between brightness and overall image size, and I have no problems with the *ist-D, even using a lens with a maximum aperture of f/4. Of course it's not as bright as using a f/1.4 lens, but my old eyes can adapt to the loss of around a stop of light far better than they can perceive detail in a smaller image. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
You're both wrong. It's either no darker (just cropped to a smaller area) - so just as bright in illumination per equal area (or equal solid angle submitted at the eye), or it's 1/(1.5)^2 as much total illumination, which is a little over one stop difference (it's like going from f/1.4 to f/2.1). On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 01:14:10PM +0100, John Forbes wrote: > Your maths is wrong. .33 darker. And as the viewfinders happen to be > very good, I personally don't notice the difference. It's only like going > from a 1.4 to a 1.7 lens. > > John > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:12:53 +0100, Martin Trautmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > On 2006-06-23 15:21, John Francis wrote: > >> All the Pentax DSLRs ar so-called APS-C sensors - around 24mm x 16mm. > >> This means the field of view you get with any lens is the same as the > >> field of view you get on a 35mm camera with a lens 1.5x the focal > >> length. > > > > ... while the view finder is 1/1.5 darker!? (67%) > > > > Martin > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100D SR
I agree with John Francis. Godfrey On Jun 26, 2006, at 9:40 AM, John Francis wrote: > You're both wrong. It's either no darker (just cropped to a > smaller area) - so just as bright in illumination per equal > area (or equal solid angle submitted at the eye), or it's > 1/(1.5)^2 as much total illumination, which is a little over > one stop difference (it's like going from f/1.4 to f/2.1). > > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 01:14:10PM +0100, John Forbes wrote: >> Your maths is wrong. .33 darker. And as the viewfinders happen >> to be >> very good, I personally don't notice the difference. It's only >> like going >> from a 1.4 to a 1.7 lens. >> >> John >> >> On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 12:12:53 +0100, Martin Trautmann >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> On 2006-06-23 15:21, John Francis wrote: All the Pentax DSLRs ar so-called APS-C sensors - around 24mm x 16mm. This means the field of view you get with any lens is the same as the field of view you get on a 35mm camera with a lens 1.5x the focal length. >>> >>> ... while the view finder is 1/1.5 darker!? (67%) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
