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Poor old nincompoop, thinks it's a Cadillac. Except it's usually not nincompoop. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/09 Wed PM 11:47:18 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list That's not what I know it as.Goes like POOR OLD and so forth. -- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 09/01/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Incidentally, am I alone in not knowing the rude Pontiac thing? Pull Out Naughty Thing In A Car -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You got it.. -- Original message -- From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Poor old nincompoop, thinks it's a Cadillac. Except it's usually not nincompoop. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/09 Wed PM 11:47:18 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list That's not what I know it as.Goes like POOR OLD and so forth. -- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 09/01/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Incidentally, am I alone in not knowing the rude Pontiac thing? Pull Out Naughty Thing In A Car -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 08/01/08, cbwaters, discombobulated, unleashed: The Buy American idea was intended to keep American workers employed, right? I think you've hit the nail on the head. To name a few in this country - Land Rover, Honda, BMW-Mini - all built by Brits. We gave up owning our own car industry after we destroyed it in through 1970s with petty disputes. We know how to design and build cars, but we don't know how to treat our employees well so that they do a good job. We paid the price. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Joe, That was the hot rod page. No matter, I found the Super Stock page. http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=772282 Nice work. Small world. I shot and wrote for both Super Stock and Hot Rod in the seventies. and into the early eighties at least. Steve Collison, longtime editor of SSDI, who left us some years ago, was a good buddy of mine. I still do an occasional buff book article, but they're few and far between these days. Too time consuming. Paul On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I am back, how about General Motors = Geniue Mistake, I guess you have heard the one about Pontiac, which I will not say. There are a lot of sayings for all car makes. But what I think really matters is if you like what you drive. All the car companies have had bad cars at sometime...It's just that I like Ford products, not so much in favor of the newer cars. I will never own a import period.. Here is a link to a Mustang GT that I photographed for Hot Rod and Super Ford Magazine. Just the Hot Rod Magazine stuff is there. http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=753552 And If you look here, you will see a Hemi Cuda that I photographed for Super Stock and Drag Illustrated Magazine, just the published pages from Super Stock... http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=753552 Hemi Cudas are real nice and also Ford Thunderbolts are nice. I photographed a Thunderbolt also for Super Ford Magazine.For those who do not know what a Thunderbolt is, It is a 1964 Ford Fairlane 2 dr sedan with a 427 C.I . Fe Motor stuffed between the shock towers which had to be modified for the big motor to fit...Joe -- Original message -- From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] As long as we're listing these - How about Found On Road Dead. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 9, 2008 3:56 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We know how to design and build cars, but we don't know how to treat our employees well so that they do a good job. We paid the price. Sounds like some of those managers made it over to the company I used to work for, Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hey Paul, Thanks.. Steve was also a friend of mine.As you know Steve lived in Jersey and spent a lot of time at Atco Dragway, One of his last car projects was getting the little black 5.0 LX to run very well. I spent a lot of time at different dragstrips, either racing or photographing.Joe -- Original message -- From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Joe, That was the hot rod page. No matter, I found the Super Stock page. http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=772282 Nice work. Small world. I shot and wrote for both Super Stock and Hot Rod in the seventies. and into the early eighties at least. Steve Collison, longtime editor of SSDI, who left us some years ago, was a good buddy of mine. I still do an occasional buff book article, but they're few and far between these days. Too time consuming. Paul On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I am back, how about General Motors = Geniue Mistake, I guess you have heard the one about Pontiac, which I will not say. There are a lot of sayings for all car makes. But what I think really matters is if you like what you drive. All the car companies have had bad cars at sometime...It's just that I like Ford products, not so much in favor of the newer cars. I will never own a import period.. Here is a link to a Mustang GT that I photographed for Hot Rod and Super Ford Magazine. Just the Hot Rod Magazine stuff is there. http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=753552 And If you look here, you will see a Hemi Cuda that I photographed for Super Stock and Drag Illustrated Magazine, just the published pages from Super Stock... http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=753552 Hemi Cudas are real nice and also Ford Thunderbolts are nice. I photographed a Thunderbolt also for Super Ford Magazine.For those who do not know what a Thunderbolt is, It is a 1964 Ford Fairlane 2 dr sedan with a 427 C.I . Fe Motor stuffed between the shock towers which had to be modified for the big motor to fit...Joe -- Original message -- From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] As long as we're listing these - How about Found On Road Dead. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Thats basically what i concluded. I'm buying a rocket next time http://exploration.grc.nasa.gov/education/rocket/gallery/titan/titan1.html William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I remember Steve's place near Atco. I visited him there several times. When I was working for Hearst I used a pen name in SSDI. It was Keven Michaels -- Steve's son's name. I lived in central Jersey near Englishtown. Steve was at my house several times as well. I originally met him when he was at CARS magazine with Don Chaikin, who went on to become auto editor of Popular Mechanics. Don and I remain friends. Do you know what happened to Kathy, Steve's wife, after he passed on? I felt very bad for her. He was fairly young and quite healthy. Then one day he wass gone. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Paul, Thanks.. Steve was also a friend of mine.As you know Steve lived in Jersey and spent a lot of time at Atco Dragway, One of his last car projects was getting the little black 5.0 LX to run very well. I spent a lot of time at different dragstrips, either racing or photographing.Joe -- Original message -- From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Joe, That was the hot rod page. No matter, I found the Super Stock page. http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=772282 Nice work. Small world. I shot and wrote for both Super Stock and Hot Rod in the seventies. and into the early eighties at least. Steve Collison, longtime editor of SSDI, who left us some years ago, was a good buddy of mine. I still do an occasional buff book article, but they're few and far between these days. Too time consuming. Paul On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I am back, how about General Motors = Geniue Mistake, I guess you have heard the one about Pontiac, which I will not say. There are a lot of sayings for all car makes. But what I think really matters is if you like what you drive. All the car companies have had bad cars at sometime...It's just that I like Ford products, not so much in favor of the newer cars. I will never own a import period.. Here is a link to a Mustang GT that I photographed for Hot Rod and Super Ford Magazine. Just the Hot Rod Magazine stuff is there. http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=753552 And If you look here, you will see a Hemi Cuda that I photographed for Super Stock and Drag Illustrated Magazine, just the published pages from Super Stock... http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=753552 Hemi Cudas are real nice and also Ford Thunderbolts are nice. I photographed a Thunderbolt also for Super Ford Magazine.For those who do not know what a Thunderbolt is, It is a 1964 Ford Fairlane 2 dr sedan with a 427 C.I . Fe Motor stuffed between the shock towers which had to be modified for the big motor to fit...Joe -- Original message -- From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] As long as we're listing these - How about Found On Road Dead. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I wonder if you bought that Mustang new? I had a 80 Pinto that was made in Michigan, my girlfriend at the time had one that was made in Canada, and a friend had one that was made in Mexico. None of them had any problems while we owned them. Mine had 119K miles on it when I sold it. You can always get a lemon, hopefully when you do you live in a state with anti-lemon laws. I have had problems with almost all the cars I bought used. Most owners do not seem to get the idea of maintenance. They are like Paul and his lease cars. The only car I bought new that I had problems with was the Escort, it ate tie rods and rear axle bearings; but the diesel drive train was sweet, if only I could have had that in a diver car... Graywolf (Tom Rittenhouse) Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- cbwaters wrote: Bah... My 81 Mustang (Rustang) was a Fix Or Repair Daily. I do so like the Buy American concept these days. A friend was giving me some grief about replacing the Nissan with another Nissan a while back. I asked him where his Chevy was made(Canada). He didn't know. My Xterra was made in Tennessee. Of course the money went to Nissan in Japan, but I don't think that the sentiment was ever really about who actually got the money. Who cares if the money sits in brokerage accounts here or there? The Buy American idea was intended to keep American workers employed, right? CW The BMW was made in Germany :) - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Fix Or Repair Daily (from the Model T days) effing orful rotten dog and there must be at least 20 more. Fastest Overall Racing Dragster Just to prove they were not all negative. Young Henry Ford had a brilliant idea, when told there were not that many people in the country who could afford a motor car, he replied, Then I will pay my workers enough so they can afford one. A concept that has disappeared in America which is most likely why our general standard of living is fast deteriorating. Graywolf (Tom Rittenhouse) Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Ken Waller wrote: As long as we're listing these - How about Found On Road Dead. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Back in the day, my Pinto was made just down the road from me in Michigan, my girlfriends was made in Canada, and another friends was made in Mexico. Couldn't see much difference. BTW, they were all bought in Detroit at the same dealership. As to the keep Americans working thing, I think that is what we working class people mean, but the stockholders and management mean, keep my stock value up. That is the problem with trickle down economics, those people have money because they do not let it tickle out of their hands. Graywolf (Tom Rittenhouse) Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- cbwaters wrote: Bah... My 81 Mustang (Rustang) was a Fix Or Repair Daily. I do so like the Buy American concept these days. A friend was giving me some grief about replacing the Nissan with another Nissan a while back. I asked him where his Chevy was made(Canada). He didn't know. My Xterra was made in Tennessee. Of course the money went to Nissan in Japan, but I don't think that the sentiment was ever really about who actually got the money. Who cares if the money sits in brokerage accounts here or there? The Buy American idea was intended to keep American workers employed, right? CW The BMW was made in Germany :) - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 09/01/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: http://exploration.grc.nasa.gov/education/rocket/gallery/titan/titan1.html That's rocket science. I like the strap-ons btw. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Cotty Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list I like the strap-ons btw. Somehow I'm not surprised. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: I like the strap-ons. MARK! Oh my god MARK! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: I like the strap-ons btw. MARK! Cotty wrote: On 09/01/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: http://exploration.grc.nasa.gov/education/rocket/gallery/titan/titan1.html That's rocket science. I like the strap-ons btw. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bet ya that tranny works.:-0 Dave On Jan 9, 2008 10:40 AM, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/01/08, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed: http://exploration.grc.nasa.gov/education/rocket/gallery/titan/titan1.html That's rocket science. I like the strap-ons btw. Funny, i figured you for self inflatable. Dave -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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it's rather a socialist attitude, so it's not surprising that it has disappeared from the USA. The general idea is that workers should be able to afford the product of their labour. Not sure how that makes for a better world, but there it is. Incidentally, am I alone in not knowing the rude Pontiac thing? -- Bob Young Henry Ford had a brilliant idea, when told there were not that many people in the country who could afford a motor car, he replied, Then I will pay my workers enough so they can afford one. A concept that has disappeared in America which is most likely why our general standard of living is fast deteriorating. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 09/01/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Incidentally, am I alone in not knowing the rude Pontiac thing? Pull Out Naughty Thing In A Car -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Socialism has nothing to do with it. Capitalism in it's purest form has the belief that each party should benefit from a transaction. Mercantilism believes you can, nay _must_ rape your customers and employees, and get away with it. It's right there in the handbook... Bob W wrote: it's rather a socialist attitude, so it's not surprising that it has disappeared from the USA. The general idea is that workers should be able to afford the product of their labour. Not sure how that makes for a better world, but there it is. Incidentally, am I alone in not knowing the rude Pontiac thing? -- Bob Young Henry Ford had a brilliant idea, when told there were not that many people in the country who could afford a motor car, he replied, Then I will pay my workers enough so they can afford one. A concept that has disappeared in America which is most likely why our general standard of living is fast deteriorating. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's not what I know it as.Goes like POOR OLD and so forth. -- Original message -- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 09/01/08, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: Incidentally, am I alone in not knowing the rude Pontiac thing? Pull Out Naughty Thing In A Car -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I just find it some what amusing, that GM has known about this 2-3 shift clunk, since the introducton of the exteded cabs, and have yet to find a fix. I love the drive, look and feel of my GM truck, but that clunk. Drives me nuts sometimes. It MAY drive me over to another brand when this one goes, hopefully not for a while.:-0 Knock Knock Dave On Jan 7, 2008 10:02 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. On Jan 7, 2008, at 8:07 PM, William Robb wrote: This would be why I have bought exactly one American badged vehicle (which was so bad that it fell apart under warranty and was essentiallly unrepairable), and now, no matter where they are assembled, will probably never buy anything but Nissan. I've noticed in the news that the big 3 are all on the ropes these days, perhaps those Harvard MBA's aren't overly smart. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Francis wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 03:47:06PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Sky's interesting, as it's a straight rebadge of the Opel Speedster (Same styling and drivetrain) unlike the fairly extensively modified Solstice (which is based on the Speedster, but not identical). Wait, you mean the Sky and Solstice aren't the exact same rebadged car? Are you certain? What sort of differences are there? The Solstice has been severely beaten with the ugly stick (apparently Pontiac didn't use them all up when they built the Aztek). Wasn't the Aztek another Opel derivative? -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I believe it was a home grown abomination. Christian wrote: John Francis wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 03:47:06PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Sky's interesting, as it's a straight rebadge of the Opel Speedster (Same styling and drivetrain) unlike the fairly extensively modified Solstice (which is based on the Speedster, but not identical). Wait, you mean the Sky and Solstice aren't the exact same rebadged car? Are you certain? What sort of differences are there? The Solstice has been severely beaten with the ugly stick (apparently Pontiac didn't use them all up when they built the Aztek). Wasn't the Aztek another Opel derivative? -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb MARK! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. JD Power is biased to make the big 3 look better than they are. They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Christian wrote: Wasn't the Aztek another Opel derivative? P. J. Alling wrote: I believe it was a home grown abomination. Yeah, I just googled it AFTER I sent my message to the list... The Aztek had among the highest CSI (Customer Satisfaction Index) scores in its class, and won the appellation of Most Appealing Entry Sport Utility Vehicle in 2001 from J.D. Power and Associates, an independent consumer survey organization who noted: The Aztek scores highest or second highest in every APEAL component measure except exterior styling. HAR! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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GM should have given up on attempting styling with the Buick Roadmaster Stationwagon of 1991-96. Probably they should have given up before that, but the Roadmaster, (or as I always thought of it the :Toadmaster, should have capped it). Christian wrote: Christian wrote: Wasn't the Aztek another Opel derivative? P. J. Alling wrote: I believe it was a home grown abomination. Yeah, I just googled it AFTER I sent my message to the list... The Aztek had among the highest CSI (Customer Satisfaction Index) scores in its class, and won the appellation of Most Appealing Entry Sport Utility Vehicle in 2001 from J.D. Power and Associates, an independent consumer survey organization who noted: The Aztek scores highest or second highest in every APEAL component measure except exterior styling. HAR! -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And they're doing good work today. GM car designs come from all over the world. The newest Cadillacs have won several international awards, and I expect the Impala will do likewise. The latest Corvette is quite nice as well. Some, like Pontiac, are targeted at a demographic that is less sophisticated than most of the PDML members. But that's just good marketing. If you're selling more than one brand, you have to broaden your reach. Paul -- Original message -- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] GM (USA). Some of it's other international design teams have done alright work. Cheers, Dave On Jan 8, 2008 11:27 PM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GM should have given up on attempting styling with the Buick Roadmaster Stationwagon of 1991-96. Probably they should have given up before that, but the Roadmaster, (or as I always thought of it the :Toadmaster, should have capped it). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I high CSI score only means that the people who bought it like it. From all the reports I've heard, it was a high quality vehicle. I believe it's the same platform as the Buick Renegade. Unfortunately, the styling didn't have broad appeal. I found it butt ugly. Paul -- Original message -- From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christian wrote: Wasn't the Aztek another Opel derivative? P. J. Alling wrote: I believe it was a home grown abomination. Yeah, I just googled it AFTER I sent my message to the list... The Aztek had among the highest CSI (Customer Satisfaction Index) scores in its class, and won the appellation of Most Appealing Entry Sport Utility Vehicle in 2001 from J.D. Power and Associates, an independent consumer survey organization who noted: The Aztek scores highest or second highest in every APEAL component measure except exterior styling. HAR! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Saturn was a market failure and the changes were driven by its effective elimination from viability by 2003. It is now effectively the replacement for Oldsmobile in market segment and is selling far better than it ever did when semi-independant. -Adam On 1/8/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what Saturn was supposed to be, a self sufficient laboratory for engineering and process design. Which is why the original Saturn was a completely new platform, unrelated to anything else in the GM line, and the factory was built from the ground up with special labor rules. That plan lasted about as long as Disney's original concept for Epcot, which was supposed to be a planned community of tomorrow, then they discovered that they'd have to deal with real people... Adam Maas wrote: The Sky's interesting, as it's a straight rebadge of the Opel Speedster (Same styling and drivetrain) unlike the fairly extensively modified Solstice (which is based on the Speedster, but not identical). The other Saturns are Opels except for the Vue, and therefore german designed. Nobody's got the money or infrastructure to do completely independant engineering (even Holden, the most independant of the GM marks, uses Chevy drivetrains). -Adam On 1/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Saturn division originally built very good little cars, a great first cut on subcompacts. GM simply starved them of money until they could be made over in the image of the parent company. Now Saturns are just plastic clad GM extrusions. They build keepers but the fish keeps rotting from the head... My dad got one of the very first Saturn coupes in California, and for the rest of the '90s my little brothers and I were big Saturn fans (we were young and impressionable, what can I say). Every year we went to the San Francisco International Auto Show, and I saw the evolution of the Saturn brand from the beginning. When GM started drawing them in closer, they just went downhill. Quality, looks, everything. The only interesting unique thing Saturn has put out this decade was the 2001 special edition yellow coupe, which I thought was just beautiful, especially with the black yellow leather interior. My mom got one, but with plain black cloth interior (boring). The other product of theirs that I like is the Sky roadster, but it's just another GM clone, like the rest of Saturn's cars now. I was very sad when my dad sold his little red Saturn, but it was getting old and he needed something he could haul gardening supplies with. Now he's driving a Honda CR-V, and I suspect future car purchases that my parents make will be Japanese as well. My parents just don't trust the American car companies anymore. Me, I'd give anything for a new Dodge Challenger. John Celio The Saturn Score: Dad: original '91 SC-1 Coupe, now drives a Honda CR-V Mom: 2001 yellow special edition SC-2 Bro 1: 2000 (?) SL-2 Bro 2: 2004/5 Ion Me: yet to own a Saturn, much less drive one. My family's cars are all manual transmission, which I don't drive well enough to risk ruining a clutch or two. Plus, I'm not a GM fan, and currently loathe my little Chevy. Case in point: http://www.neovenator.com/2008/01/is-time-to-bitch.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Same platform as the even uglier Buick Rendevous. At least the Aztek looked unique. But owners seem to love the things, ugly as they are. Very practical vehicle. I'd consider owning one, they get decent mileage, are surprisingly reliable for a Pontiac, have plenty of space, some nice features (including the tent) and AWD. But gawd are they ugly. -Adam On 1/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I high CSI score only means that the people who bought it like it. From all the reports I've heard, it was a high quality vehicle. I believe it's the same platform as the Buick Renegade. Unfortunately, the styling didn't have broad appeal. I found it butt ugly. Paul -- Original message -- From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christian wrote: Wasn't the Aztek another Opel derivative? P. J. Alling wrote: I believe it was a home grown abomination. Yeah, I just googled it AFTER I sent my message to the list... The Aztek had among the highest CSI (Customer Satisfaction Index) scores in its class, and won the appellation of Most Appealing Entry Sport Utility Vehicle in 2001 from J.D. Power and Associates, an independent consumer survey organization who noted: The Aztek scores highest or second highest in every APEAL component measure except exterior styling. HAR! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The standard service on my car involves an inspection and maintenance of all the electrical connections, torquing chassis bolts, rotating the tires, inspecting the brake friction material, changing the oil and filter, making sure the coolant and hydraulic fluids are up to spec, running diagnostics for the computer, electric motors and battery system, and a few other details. God, I love my bicycle. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well guys, I just got back to reading the posts and I do have to say that I am a FORD person. My first car was a 1959 Galaxie with a 292 YB v8, Next 1963 Galaxie 500 xl, 2dr fastback with a 352 v8, 1969 Fairlane 500 2dr hardtop with a 302 v8, 1967 Mustang hardtop with a 200 six cyl, 1969 Fairlane 500 2 dr sportsroof with a 302 v8, 1971 Galaxie 2 dr. hardtop with a 390 v8, 1969 Mustang hardtop with a 302 v8 windsor motor which I ran at the track (drag racing) in Stock class with a best et time of 13.5 seconds and this car took me to win the first place points for the year 1973-74 at the drag strip. Still have the car which sits in a garage, it has 49,000 miles on it. Then came a 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 with a 289 v8, full cam, solid lifters, two 500 cfm Carter AFB carbs. This car has 54,000 miles on it and I still have it. Next is a 1954 F100 ford pickup that had a 272yb v8, but now has a 390 v8 with a four barrel Holley, 1955 F100 pickup with a Olds v8, this truck was for parts f or the 54 F100, Lots of 1963 and 1964 Ford Galaxies, 1968 Torino GT conv with a 390 330 horse motor which I wish I kept. 1968 Torino GT Fastback with a 302 v8 but now is a 351 windsor v8, it needs to be restored, 1964 Ford Fairlane with a 260 v8, 2 dr sedan, would have made a nice looking Thunderbolt (I guess Paul will know what I mean), a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV with a 460 v8, Two 1976 Lincoln Mark IV's with 460 v8's, 1967 Galaxie Fastback with a 390 v8, 1964 Ford Galaxie Conv 390 v8 police motor, solid lifters, etc. Our current cars are a little newer. So Yes I am a FORD person. Guess if I did not have Ford's, it would have been Dodge or Plymouths. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] More nonsense. J.D. Power is completely above reproach. They accept no bullshit. I know. I've had to deal with them. And for years, the American brands were at the bottom of the list. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. JD Power is biased to make the big 3 look better than they are. They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I do all that and more on my 55 BelAir Convertible. I even wash the underside by hand with Fantastik and rags every 1000 miles or so. But my lease cars get the oil changed every 20,000 miles, whether they need it or not:-)/ Period. In truth, I don't do it myself. I go to quick-change oil place, which are still way cheaper than the dealer. About twenty dollars. The rest of the maintenance schedule is truly unnecessary for the first 50,000 miles, if you're not keeping the car. Much of it is unnecessary regardless. Today's cars are amazingly self sufficient. But service is a big part of dealer profits. Hence, the maintenance schedulse. (Changing ATF is the one that gets me chuckling the most. ) Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I agree in principle, the regular maintenance of any modern vehicle does actually require more than changing the oil and filter periodically. Unless you're unconcerned with the lifespan of the vehicle, which I guess might be the case with a leased vehicle. Of course, there's also the time and effort associated with proper disposal of the waste oil and filter, which is toxic waste and might also have additional expenses associated with it. BTW, while modern synthetic oils do maintain their lubricity for far greater than older oils and modern engines run cleaner, there are still lots of combustion toxins and engine part corrosivie impurities that the oil is infused with during normal operation, which is why you're changing the oil. If you want to change the oil on a very long service interval, you should change the filter every 5000-6000 miles and replenish the oil to make up for the losses incurred. The standard service on my car involves an inspection and maintenance of all the electrical connections, torquing chassis bolts, rotating the tires, inspecting the brake friction material, changing the oil and filter, making sure the coolant and hydraulic fluids are up to spec, running diagnostics for the computer, electric motors and battery system, and a few other details. It takes about an hour and a quarter, if you have the right equipment, and the $90 service charge includes toxic waste disposal fees. I don't have the right equipment to do the whole job correctly ... Since I own the car and intend to keep it in top condition for at 8 years, that $90 every four to six months/5000 miles is a good investment. Godfrey On Jan 8, 2008, at 3:00 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Why? Who wants to spend thirty dollars at a dealership, when five dollars and ten minutes of work can yield the same result. Paul On Jan 7, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On a leased automobile? That would be very odd. Godfrey On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Some of us do our own basic maintenance. When I was driving, I did all of my fluid changes and belt changes (Do the same for my bicycle now). -Adam On 1/7/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: ... I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. ... You've never had them serviced? How odd. ]'-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm sure you just made Ken Waller's day! :-) (He's a retired Ford engineer.) -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well guys, I just got back to reading the posts and I do have to say that I am a FORD person. My first car was a 1959 Galaxie with a 292 YB v8, Next 1963 Galaxie 500 xl, 2dr fastback with a 352 v8, 1969 Fairlane 500 2dr hardtop with a 302 v8, 1967 Mustang hardtop with a 200 six cyl, 1969 Fairlane 500 2 dr sportsroof with a 302 v8, 1971 Galaxie 2 dr. hardtop with a 390 v8, 1969 Mustang hardtop with a 302 v8 windsor motor which I ran at the track (drag racing) in Stock class with a best et time of 13.5 seconds and this car took me to win the first place points for the year 1973-74 at the drag strip. Still have the car which sits in a garage, it has 49,000 miles on it. Then came a 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 with a 289 v8, full cam, solid lifters, two 500 cfm Carter AFB carbs. This car has 54,000 miles on it and I still have it. Next is a 1954 F100 ford pickup that had a 272yb v8, but now has a 390 v8 with a four barrel Holley, 1955 F100 pickup with a Olds v8, this truck was for parts f or the 54 F100, Lots of 1963 and 1964 Ford Galaxies, 1968 Torino GT conv with a 390 330 horse motor which I wish I kept. 1968 Torino GT Fastback with a 302 v8 but now is a 351 windsor v8, it needs to be restored, 1964 Ford Fairlane with a 260 v8, 2 dr sedan, would have made a nice looking Thunderbolt (I guess Paul will know what I mean), a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV with a 460 v8, Two 1976 Lincoln Mark IV's with 460 v8's, 1967 Galaxie Fastback with a 390 v8, 1964 Ford Galaxie Conv 390 v8 police motor, solid lifters, etc. Our current cars are a little newer. So Yes I am a FORD person. Guess if I did not have Ford's, it would have been Dodge or Plymouths. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] More nonsense. J.D. Power is completely above reproach. They accept no bullshit. I know. I've had to deal with them. And for years, the American brands were at the bottom of the list. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. JD Power is biased to make the big 3 look better than they are. They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 10:51:16AM -0500, Scott Loveless wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The standard service on my car involves an inspection and maintenance of all the electrical connections, torquing chassis bolts, rotating the tires, inspecting the brake friction material, changing the oil and filter, making sure the coolant and hydraulic fluids are up to spec, running diagnostics for the computer, electric motors and battery system, and a few other details. God, I love my bicycle. Well, as long as you're both adults ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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when I was 19 I bought a '73 Mach 1. 351c, C6, 9 positrac (I can't remember the gearing). The guy I bought it from was into building drag cars and had done a little work the drive train. Mine had the 2 valve heads, and I guess there was a problem with mounting a 4 barrel carb on it. So it had a 2 barrel from an oval track car, higher lift, longer duration cams (wouldn't idle for shit), and the tires on the rear were so big that it had to be lifted so that the fenders wouldn't drag. This resulted in NO rear visibility. But man, that thing was fast. I could break the rear end loose at about 45mph. It did get a bit squirly over 110. :) 9 mpg if I drove it the speed limit. 6 if I was in a good mood. I sold it to a collector a few months later who promptly yanked the drive train and scrapped the body. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure you just made Ken Waller's day! :-) (He's a retired Ford engineer.) -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well guys, I just got back to reading the posts and I do have to say that I am a FORD person. My first car was a 1959 Galaxie with a 292 YB v8, Next 1963 Galaxie 500 xl, 2dr fastback with a 352 v8, 1969 Fairlane 500 2dr hardtop with a 302 v8, 1967 Mustang hardtop with a 200 six cyl, 1969 Fairlane 500 2 dr sportsroof with a 302 v8, 1971 Galaxie 2 dr. hardtop with a 390 v8, 1969 Mustang hardtop with a 302 v8 windsor motor which I ran at the track (drag racing) in Stock class with a best et time of 13.5 seconds and this car took me to win the first place points for the year 1973-74 at the drag strip. Still have the car which sits in a garage, it has 49,000 miles on it. Then came a 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 with a 289 v8, full cam, solid lifters, two 500 cfm Carter AFB carbs. This car has 54,000 miles on it and I still have it. Next is a 1954 F100 ford pickup that had a 272yb v8, but now has a 390 v8 with a four barrel Holley, 1955 F100 pickup with a Olds v8, this truck was for parts f or the 54 F100, Lots of 1963 and 1964 Ford Galaxies, 1968 Torino GT conv with a 390 330 horse motor which I wish I kept. 1968 Torino GT Fastback with a 302 v8 but now is a 351 windsor v8, it needs to be restored, 1964 Ford Fairlane with a 260 v8, 2 dr sedan, would have made a nice looking Thunderbolt (I guess Paul will know what I mean), a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV with a 460 v8, Two 1976 Lincoln Mark IV's with 460 v8's, 1967 Galaxie Fastback with a 390 v8, 1964 Ford Galaxie Conv 390 v8 police motor, solid lifters, etc. Our current cars are a little newer. So Yes I am a FORD person. Guess if I did not have Ford's, it would have been Dodge or Plymouths. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I am a car person,always have been, right now I also have a Ford Bronco with over 300,000 miles on it and never any trouble. It is a 1989 and as far as the Lincolns, two of them have about 200,000 miles on them. I am also an American car buyer, never owned an import, never will...As far as all the cars I owned, I buy things I like and I never had any trouble with any of them. I just do not have a big enough garage to keep them all, so some go to make room for something else. -- Original message -- From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you've owned that many it doesn't say too much about their reliability :-) On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 04:29:49PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well guys, I just got back to reading the posts and I do have to say that I am a FORD person. My first car was a 1959 Galaxie with a 292 YB v8, Next 1963 Galaxie 500 xl, 2dr fastback with a 352 v8, 1969 Fairlane 500 2dr hardtop with a 302 v8, 1967 Mustang hardtop with a 200 six cyl, 1969 Fairlane 500 2 dr sportsroof with a 302 v8, 1971 Galaxie 2 dr. hardtop with a 390 v8, 1969 Mustang hardtop with a 302 v8 windsor motor which I ran at the track (drag racing) in Stock class with a best et time of 13.5 seconds and this car took me to win the first place points for the year 1973-74 at the drag strip. Still have the car which sits in a garage, it has 49,000 miles on it. Then came a 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 with a 289 v8, full cam, solid lifters, two 500 cfm Carter AFB carbs. This car has 54,000 miles on it and I still have it. Next is a 1954 F100 ford pickup that had a 272yb v8, but now has a 390 v8 with a four barrel Holley, 1955 F100 pickup with a Olds v8, this truck was for p arts f or the 54 F100, Lots of 1963 and 1964 Ford Galaxies, 1968 Torino GT conv with a 390 330 horse motor which I wish I kept. 1968 Torino GT Fastback with a 302 v8 but now is a 351 windsor v8, it needs to be restored, 1964 Ford Fairlane with a 260 v8, 2 dr sedan, would have made a nice looking Thunderbolt (I guess Paul will know what I mean), a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV with a 460 v8, Two 1976 Lincoln Mark IV's with 460 v8's, 1967 Galaxie Fastback with a 390 v8, 1964 Ford Galaxie Conv 390 v8 police motor, solid lifters, etc. Our current cars are a little newer. So Yes I am a FORD person. Guess if I did not have Ford's, it would have been Dodge or Plymouths. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] More nonsense. J.D. Power is completely above reproach. They accept no bullshit. I know. I've had to deal with them. And for years, the American brands were at the bottom of the list. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. JD Power is biased to make the big 3 look better than they are. They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you've owned that many it doesn't say too much about their reliability :-) On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 04:29:49PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well guys, I just got back to reading the posts and I do have to say that I am a FORD person. My first car was a 1959 Galaxie with a 292 YB v8, Next 1963 Galaxie 500 xl, 2dr fastback with a 352 v8, 1969 Fairlane 500 2dr hardtop with a 302 v8, 1967 Mustang hardtop with a 200 six cyl, 1969 Fairlane 500 2 dr sportsroof with a 302 v8, 1971 Galaxie 2 dr. hardtop with a 390 v8, 1969 Mustang hardtop with a 302 v8 windsor motor which I ran at the track (drag racing) in Stock class with a best et time of 13.5 seconds and this car took me to win the first place points for the year 1973-74 at the drag strip. Still have the car which sits in a garage, it has 49,000 miles on it. Then came a 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 with a 289 v8, full cam, solid lifters, two 500 cfm Carter AFB carbs. This car has 54,000 miles on it and I still have it. Next is a 1954 F100 ford pickup that had a 272yb v8, but now has a 390 v8 with a four barrel Holley, 1955 F100 pickup with a Olds v8, this truck was for p arts f or the 54 F100, Lots of 1963 and 1964 Ford Galaxies, 1968 Torino GT conv with a 390 330 horse motor which I wish I kept. 1968 Torino GT Fastback with a 302 v8 but now is a 351 windsor v8, it needs to be restored, 1964 Ford Fairlane with a 260 v8, 2 dr sedan, would have made a nice looking Thunderbolt (I guess Paul will know what I mean), a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV with a 460 v8, Two 1976 Lincoln Mark IV's with 460 v8's, 1967 Galaxie Fastback with a 390 v8, 1964 Ford Galaxie Conv 390 v8 police motor, solid lifters, etc. Our current cars are a little newer. So Yes I am a FORD person. Guess if I did not have Ford's, it would have been Dodge or Plymouths. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] More nonsense. J.D. Power is completely above reproach. They accept no bullshit. I know. I've had to deal with them. And for years, the American brands were at the bottom of the list. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. JD Power is biased to make the big 3 look better than they are. They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 8, 2008 11:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Changing ATF is the one that gets me chuckling the most. ) I did not realize Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms needed changing. g Dave Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I agree in principle, the regular maintenance of any modern vehicle does actually require more than changing the oil and filter periodically. Unless you're unconcerned with the lifespan of the vehicle, which I guess might be the case with a leased vehicle. Of course, there's also the time and effort associated with proper disposal of the waste oil and filter, which is toxic waste and might also have additional expenses associated with it. BTW, while modern synthetic oils do maintain their lubricity for far greater than older oils and modern engines run cleaner, there are still lots of combustion toxins and engine part corrosivie impurities that the oil is infused with during normal operation, which is why you're changing the oil. If you want to change the oil on a very long service interval, you should change the filter every 5000-6000 miles and replenish the oil to make up for the losses incurred. The standard service on my car involves an inspection and maintenance of all the electrical connections, torquing chassis bolts, rotating the tires, inspecting the brake friction material, changing the oil and filter, making sure the coolant and hydraulic fluids are up to spec, running diagnostics for the computer, electric motors and battery system, and a few other details. It takes about an hour and a quarter, if you have the right equipment, and the $90 service charge includes toxic waste disposal fees. I don't have the right equipment to do the whole job correctly ... Since I own the car and intend to keep it in top condition for at 8 years, that $90 every four to six months/5000 miles is a good investment. Godfrey On Jan 8, 2008, at 3:00 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Why? Who wants to spend thirty dollars at a dealership, when five dollars and ten minutes of work can yield the same result. Paul On Jan 7, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On a leased automobile? That would be very odd. Godfrey On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Some of us do our own basic maintenance. When I was driving, I did all of my fluid changes and belt changes (Do the same for my bicycle now). -Adam On 1/7/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: ... I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. ... You've never had them serviced? How odd. ]'-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't know, back when I had the Diesel Escort, the extra filter at the oil change place was a buck. At the discount auto parts the first filter was $15 and the second was $11, addd six quarts of oil and that $24.95 oil change seemed like a bargain. Back in the day, my 1980 Pinto's manual said to change the oil every 10,000 miles, why did they change that? Most likely because while 10K changes are fine, 30K changes are a disaster waiting to happen. So they went back to recommending 3K so people would actually change it every 10K or so. BTW when I sold the Pinto with 120K on it it was not using a drop of oil between changes. I have used 10K oil changes ever since with never a problem. However I now change annually as I only put on about 5K a year with Mr Bush's gas prices. No, I don't go nowhere these days. Don't we do this thread every year? Graywolf (Tom Rittenhouse) Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Paul Stenquist wrote: Why? Who wants to spend thirty dollars at a dealership, when five dollars and ten minutes of work can yield the same result. Paul On Jan 7, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On a leased automobile? That would be very odd. Godfrey On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Some of us do our own basic maintenance. When I was driving, I did all of my fluid changes and belt changes (Do the same for my bicycle now). -Adam On 1/7/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: ... I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. ... You've never had them serviced? How odd. ]'-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:05 AM, graywolf wrote: I don't know, back when I had the Diesel Escort, the extra filter at the oil change place was a buck. At the discount auto parts the first filter was $15 and the second was $11, addd six quarts of oil and that $24.95 oil change seemed like a bargain. Back in the day, my 1980 Pinto's manual said to change the oil every 10,000 miles, why did they change that? Most likely because while 10K changes are fine, 30K changes are a disaster waiting to happen. So they went back to recommending 3K so people would actually change it every 10K or so. BTW when I sold the Pinto with 120K on it it was not using a drop of oil between changes. I have used 10K oil changes ever since with never a problem. However I now change annually as I only put on about 5K a year with Mr Bush's gas prices. No, I don't go nowhere these days. Don't we do this thread every year? Graywolf (Tom Rittenhouse) Dunno. I thought it was every time you changed your oil and topped off your gas tank! BG keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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HAR! Graywolf (Tom Rittenhouse) Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- Keith Whaley wrote: On Jan 8, 2008, at 11:05 AM, graywolf wrote: I don't know, back when I had the Diesel Escort, the extra filter at the oil change place was a buck. At the discount auto parts the first filter was $15 and the second was $11, addd six quarts of oil and that $24.95 oil change seemed like a bargain. Back in the day, my 1980 Pinto's manual said to change the oil every 10,000 miles, why did they change that? Most likely because while 10K changes are fine, 30K changes are a disaster waiting to happen. So they went back to recommending 3K so people would actually change it every 10K or so. BTW when I sold the Pinto with 120K on it it was not using a drop of oil between changes. I have used 10K oil changes ever since with never a problem. However I now change annually as I only put on about 5K a year with Mr Bush's gas prices. No, I don't go nowhere these days. Don't we do this thread every year? Graywolf (Tom Rittenhouse) Dunno. I thought it was every time you changed your oil and topped off your gas tank! BG keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- Original message -- From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't we do this thread every year? MARK! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 08/01/08, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: God, I love my bicycle. Prevert. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 8, 2008, at 7:51 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The standard service on my car involves an inspection and maintenance of all the electrical connections, torquing chassis bolts, rotating the tires, inspecting the brake friction material, changing the oil and filter, making sure the coolant and hydraulic fluids are up to spec, running diagnostics for the computer, electric motors and battery system, and a few other details. God, I love my bicycle. For which proper regular service requires lubricating head, wheel and bottom bracket bearings, adjusting head bearing tension, checking brake friction material, checking shift mechanism adjustment and wear, lubricating and adjusting the chain free play (replace if overly worn), and making sure all frame and running gear bolts are properly tightened and not corroded. Simpler and less to do, of course. I just did mine this morning... Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes, never buy a lease. I just leased a new car the other day, a Jeep Wrangler 4-door soft top. The buy out price isn't all that bad, so I'm thinking I might buy it when the lease is up. If I decide to do that, I'll take relatively good care of it. Ten K oil changes in any event. And I'll look through the maintenance schedule to see what else is important. But I probably won't take it to the dealer. I can still save by cherry picking the list of scheduled maintenance and having it done elsewhere. Or, if it doesn't require me to crawl on the ground, doing it myself. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, in essence, because you don't own the lease cars and pay the dealer profits up front with the lease, you feel that servicing them properly is no longer of any importance to you. That's fine as far as it goes, but it's why I hate to consider buying second hand cars that have been leased. Godfrey On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do all that and more on my 55 BelAir Convertible. I even wash the underside by hand with Fantastik and rags every 1000 miles or so. But my lease cars get the oil changed every 20,000 miles, whether they need it or not:-)/ Period. In truth, I don't do it myself. I go to quick-change oil place, which are still way cheaper than the dealer. About twenty dollars. The rest of the maintenance schedule is truly unnecessary for the first 50,000 miles, if you're not keeping the car. Much of it is unnecessary regardless. Today's cars are amazingly self sufficient. But service is a big part of dealer profits. Hence, the maintenance schedulse. (Changing ATF is the one that gets me chuckling the most. ) Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So, in essence, because you don't own the lease cars and pay the dealer profits up front with the lease, you feel that servicing them properly is no longer of any importance to you. That's fine as far as it goes, but it's why I hate to consider buying second hand cars that have been leased. Godfrey On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do all that and more on my 55 BelAir Convertible. I even wash the underside by hand with Fantastik and rags every 1000 miles or so. But my lease cars get the oil changed every 20,000 miles, whether they need it or not:-)/ Period. In truth, I don't do it myself. I go to quick-change oil place, which are still way cheaper than the dealer. About twenty dollars. The rest of the maintenance schedule is truly unnecessary for the first 50,000 miles, if you're not keeping the car. Much of it is unnecessary regardless. Today's cars are amazingly self sufficient. But service is a big part of dealer profits. Hence, the maintenance schedulse. (Changing ATF is the one that gets me chuckling the most. ) Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well guys, I just got back to reading the posts and I do have to say that I am a FORD person. My first car was a 1959 Galaxie with a 292 YB v8, Next 1963 Galaxie 500 xl, 2dr fastback with a 352 v8, 1969 Fairlane 500 2dr hardtop with a 302 v8, 1967 Mustang hardtop with a 200 six cyl, 1969 Fairlane 500 2 dr sportsroof with a 302 v8, 1971 Galaxie 2 dr. hardtop with a 390 v8, 1969 Mustang hardtop with a 302 v8 windsor motor which I ran at the track (drag racing) in Stock class with a best et time of 13.5 seconds and this car took me to win the first place points for the year 1973-74 at the drag strip. Still have the car which sits in a garage, it has 49,000 miles on it. Then came a 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 with a 289 v8, full cam, solid lifters, two 500 cfm Carter AFB carbs. This car has 54,000 miles on it and I still have it. Next is a 1954 F100 ford pickup that had a 272yb v8, but now has a 390 v8 with a four barrel Holley, 1955 F100 pickup with a Olds v8, this truck was for parts f or the 54 F100, Lots of 1963 and 1964 Ford Galaxies, 1968 Torino GT conv with a 390 330 horse motor which I wish I kept. 1968 Torino GT Fastback with a 302 v8 but now is a 351 windsor v8, it needs to be restored, 1964 Ford Fairlane with a 260 v8, 2 dr sedan, would have made a nice looking Thunderbolt (I guess Paul will know what I mean), a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV with a 460 v8, Two 1976 Lincoln Mark IV's with 460 v8's, 1967 Galaxie Fastback with a 390 v8, 1964 Ford Galaxie Conv 390 v8 police motor, solid lifters, etc. Our current cars are a little newer. So Yes I am a FORD person. Guess if I did not have Ford's, it would have been Dodge or Plymouths. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] More nonsense. J.D. Power is completely above reproach. They accept no bullshit. I know. I've had to deal with them. And for years, the American brands were at the bottom of the list. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. JD Power is biased to make the big 3 look better than they are. They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jan 8, 2008, at 7:51 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The standard service on my car involves an inspection and maintenance of all the electrical connections, torquing chassis bolts, rotating the tires, inspecting the brake friction material, changing the oil and filter, making sure the coolant and hydraulic fluids are up to spec, running diagnostics for the computer, electric motors and battery system, and a few other details. God, I love my bicycle. For which proper regular service requires lubricating head, wheel and bottom bracket bearings, adjusting head bearing tension, checking brake friction material, checking shift mechanism adjustment and wear, lubricating and adjusting the chain free play (replace if overly worn), and making sure all frame and running gear bolts are properly tightened and not corroded. Simpler and less to do, of course. I just did mine this morning... What? I was talking about sex. vbg -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I guess I insulted him then, maybe a smiley would have been appropriate. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure you just made Ken Waller's day! :-) (He's a retired Ford engineer.) -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well guys, I just got back to reading the posts and I do have to say that I am a FORD person. My first car was a 1959 Galaxie with a 292 YB v8, Next 1963 Galaxie 500 xl, 2dr fastback with a 352 v8, 1969 Fairlane 500 2dr hardtop with a 302 v8, 1967 Mustang hardtop with a 200 six cyl, 1969 Fairlane 500 2 dr sportsroof with a 302 v8, 1971 Galaxie 2 dr. hardtop with a 390 v8, 1969 Mustang hardtop with a 302 v8 windsor motor which I ran at the track (drag racing) in Stock class with a best et time of 13.5 seconds and this car took me to win the first place points for the year 1973-74 at the drag strip. Still have the car which sits in a garage, it has 49,000 miles on it. Then came a 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 with a 289 v8, full cam, solid lifters, two 500 cfm Carter AFB carbs. This car has 54,000 miles on it and I still have it. Next is a 1954 F100 ford pickup that had a 272yb v8, but now has a 390 v8 with a four barrel Holley, 1955 F100 pickup with a Olds v8, this truck was for parts f or the 54 F100, Lots of 1963 and 1964 Ford Galaxies, 1968 Torino GT conv with a 390 330 horse motor which I wish I kept. 1968 Torino GT Fastback with a 302 v8 but now is a 351 windsor v8, it needs to be restored, 1964 Ford Fairlane with a 260 v8, 2 dr sedan, would have made a nice looking Thunderbolt (I guess Paul will know what I mean), a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV with a 460 v8, Two 1976 Lincoln Mark IV's with 460 v8's, 1967 Galaxie Fastback with a 390 v8, 1964 Ford Galaxie Conv 390 v8 police motor, solid lifters, etc. Our current cars are a little newer. So Yes I am a FORD person. Guess if I did not have Ford's, it would have been Dodge or Plymouths. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] More nonsense. J.D. Power is completely above reproach. They accept no bullshit. I know. I've had to deal with them. And for years, the American brands were at the bottom of the list. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. JD Power is biased to make the big 3 look better than they are. They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I doubt that he cares. The acronym gags are older then me:-) Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess I insulted him then, maybe a smiley would have been appropriate. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure you just made Ken Waller's day! :-) (He's a retired Ford engineer.) -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well guys, I just got back to reading the posts and I do have to say that I am a FORD person. My first car was a 1959 Galaxie with a 292 YB v8, Next 1963 Galaxie 500 xl, 2dr fastback with a 352 v8, 1969 Fairlane 500 2dr hardtop with a 302 v8, 1967 Mustang hardtop with a 200 six cyl, 1969 Fairlane 500 2 dr sportsroof with a 302 v8, 1971 Galaxie 2 dr. hardtop with a 390 v8, 1969 Mustang hardtop with a 302 v8 windsor motor which I ran at the track (drag racing) in Stock class with a best et time of 13.5 seconds and this car took me to win the first place points for the year 1973-74 at the drag strip. Still have the car which sits in a garage, it has 49,000 miles on it. Then came a 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 with a 289 v8, full cam, solid lifters, two 500 cfm Carter AFB carbs. This car has 54,000 miles on it and I still have it. Next is a 1954 F100 ford pickup that had a 272yb v8, but now has a 390 v8 with a four barrel Holley, 1955 F100 pickup with a Olds v8, this truck was for parts f or the 54 F100, Lots of 1963 and 1964 Ford Galaxies, 1968 Torino GT conv with a 390 330 horse motor which I wish I kept. 1968 Torino GT Fastback with a 302 v8 but now is a 351 windsor v8, it needs to be restored, 1964 Ford Fairlane with a 260 v8, 2 dr sedan, would have made a nice looking Thunderbolt (I guess Paul will know what I mean), a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV with a 460 v8, Two 1976 Lincoln Mark IV's with 460 v8's, 1967 Galaxie Fastback with a 390 v8, 1964 Ford Galaxie Conv 390 v8 police motor, solid lifters, etc. Our current cars are a little newer. So Yes I am a FORD person. Guess if I did not have Ford's, it would have been Dodge or Plymouths. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] More nonsense. J.D. Power is completely above reproach. They accept no bullshit. I know. I've had to deal with them. And for years, the American brands were at the bottom of the list. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. JD Power is biased to make the big 3 look better than they are. They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Scott Loveless Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Simpler and less to do, of course. I just did mine this morning... What? I was talking about sex. Perhaps Godders was as well. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list So, in essence, because you don't own the lease cars and pay the dealer profits up front with the lease, you feel that servicing them properly is no longer of any importance to you. That's fine as far as it goes, but it's why I hate to consider buying second hand cars that have been leased. Generally, people who lease vehicles treat them with the same respect that they would give to a disposable diaper. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Saturn (was Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list)
Saturn was a market failure because GM management, after Roger Smith left the chairmanship, starved if of capitol. The original cars sold well. Much of like Pentax, Saturn sold as many units as they could produce, but they could never produce enough units with just one plant, and no capital for expansion. After about 10 years without a major redesign, 6 with out a real styling change, (despite of being designed to be easily re-styled), Saturns were hopelessly outdated. GM's management killed the entire concept, starting from almost the beginning, then closed the factory, and disbanded the design and management teams. It's hard to blame a startup for failure when they aren't given a real chance. new investment is denied and even minor change is stifled. Yes they are the replacement for Oldsmobile, but that's hardly a ringing endorsement for GM's decision making or for that matter a real indictment of Saturn. There was after all more perceived value in the Saturn name than in the Oldsmobile name after GM got through with them. Adam Maas wrote: Saturn was a market failure and the changes were driven by its effective elimination from viability by 2003. It is now effectively the replacement for Oldsmobile in market segment and is selling far better than it ever did when semi-independant. -Adam On 1/8/08, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what Saturn was supposed to be, a self sufficient laboratory for engineering and process design. Which is why the original Saturn was a completely new platform, unrelated to anything else in the GM line, and the factory was built from the ground up with special labor rules. That plan lasted about as long as Disney's original concept for Epcot, which was supposed to be a planned community of tomorrow, then they discovered that they'd have to deal with real people... Adam Maas wrote: The Sky's interesting, as it's a straight rebadge of the Opel Speedster (Same styling and drivetrain) unlike the fairly extensively modified Solstice (which is based on the Speedster, but not identical). The other Saturns are Opels except for the Vue, and therefore german designed. Nobody's got the money or infrastructure to do completely independant engineering (even Holden, the most independant of the GM marks, uses Chevy drivetrains). -Adam On 1/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Saturn division originally built very good little cars, a great first cut on subcompacts. GM simply starved them of money until they could be made over in the image of the parent company. Now Saturns are just plastic clad GM extrusions. They build keepers but the fish keeps rotting from the head... My dad got one of the very first Saturn coupes in California, and for the rest of the '90s my little brothers and I were big Saturn fans (we were young and impressionable, what can I say). Every year we went to the San Francisco International Auto Show, and I saw the evolution of the Saturn brand from the beginning. When GM started drawing them in closer, they just went downhill. Quality, looks, everything. The only interesting unique thing Saturn has put out this decade was the 2001 special edition yellow coupe, which I thought was just beautiful, especially with the black yellow leather interior. My mom got one, but with plain black cloth interior (boring). The other product of theirs that I like is the Sky roadster, but it's just another GM clone, like the rest of Saturn's cars now. I was very sad when my dad sold his little red Saturn, but it was getting old and he needed something he could haul gardening supplies with. Now he's driving a Honda CR-V, and I suspect future car purchases that my parents make will be Japanese as well. My parents just don't trust the American car companies anymore. Me, I'd give anything for a new Dodge Challenger. John Celio The Saturn Score: Dad: original '91 SC-1 Coupe, now drives a Honda CR-V Mom: 2001 yellow special edition SC-2 Bro 1: 2000 (?) SL-2 Bro 2: 2004/5 Ion Me: yet to own a Saturn, much less drive one. My family's cars are all manual transmission, which I don't drive well enough to risk ruining a clutch or two. Plus, I'm not a GM fan, and currently loathe my little Chevy. Case in point: http://www.neovenator.com/2008/01/is-time-to-bitch.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the
Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list More nonsense. J.D. Power is completely above reproach. They accept no bullshit. I know. I've had to deal with them. And for years, the American brands were at the bottom of the list. Cars older than 3 years don't exist as far as they are concerned. Any motor vehicle should last that long. That they stop looking after three years tells me that they are nothing more than part of the PR industry, not a legitimate quality ratings company. My one and only GM car pretty much self destructed at 22,000 kilometers (thats like 13,000 miles). It had great initial quality, qnd I believe it scored very well with JD Power. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: Generally, people who lease vehicles treat them with the same respect that they would give to a disposable diaper. The amount of respect one shows a disposable diaper is directly related to the contents of said diaper. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I just find it some what amusing, that GM has known about this 2-3 shift clunk, since the introducton of the exteded cabs, and have yet to find a fix. If it is a known problem @ corporate, then a conscious decision was made to not fix it. This isn't rocket science. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list I just find it some what amusing, that GM has known about this 2-3 shift clunk, since the introducton of the exteded cabs, and have yet to find a fix. I love the drive, look and feel of my GM truck, but that clunk. Drives me nuts sometimes. It MAY drive me over to another brand when this one goes, hopefully not for a while.:-0 Knock Knock Dave On Jan 7, 2008 10:02 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. On Jan 7, 2008, at 8:07 PM, William Robb wrote: This would be why I have bought exactly one American badged vehicle (which was so bad that it fell apart under warranty and was essentiallly unrepairable), and now, no matter where they are assembled, will probably never buy anything but Nissan. I've noticed in the news that the big 3 are all on the ropes these days, perhaps those Harvard MBA's aren't overly smart. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 8, 2008, at 12:58 PM, Scott Loveless wrote: William Robb wrote: Generally, people who lease vehicles treat them with the same respect that they would give to a disposable diaper. The amount of respect one shows a disposable diaper is directly related to the contents of said diaper. Unless you buy disposable diapers for some nefarious reasons possibly related to your afore-implied doing to bicycles, I think the contents of all disposable diapers are ultimately always going to be the same ... With that the case, I treat any used disposable diaper with great respect and, preferably, kept to a good distance. Similar to my feelings about buying used lease returns... ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 8, 2008, at 12:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... But I probably won't take it to the dealer. I can still save by cherry picking the list of scheduled maintenance and having it done elsewhere. ... Other merchants locally can change the oil for about $50 ... I don't have waste disposal facilities and the desire to lay in the gutter to change the oil (automotive work in the parking garage is prohibited). I haven't found any other merchants around here with the diagnostic equipment to test the car's electrical and other systems, nor the expertise to do the inspection and electrical maintenance. I could get someone to look at the brakes and do the tire rotation, if I wanted to spend yet more time ... For $90 every 5,000 miles, the local dealer does a good job and very quickly ... it's one of the reasons I bought the car ... and they're a 5 minute walk from my door too. I usually charge $70 to $150 per hour for my work: is it worth spending one or two hours of my time to do a half-assed job when a better job can be done for $90 in an hour and a half? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Interestingly, on my Boxster, the factory states oil change (Mobil One synthetic) intervals of 20K miles or 1 year. But my lease cars get the oil changed every 20,000 miles, Since you're leasing its probably ok, but I wonder about the efficiency of the oil filter during those 20K miles. Only way to know would be to have a chemical analysis of the oil done, but the cost of that would defeat the savings of 20k intervals. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list I do all that and more on my 55 BelAir Convertible. I even wash the underside by hand with Fantastik and rags every 1000 miles or so. But my lease cars get the oil changed every 20,000 miles, whether they need it or not:-)/ Period. In truth, I don't do it myself. I go to quick-change oil place, which are still way cheaper than the dealer. About twenty dollars. The rest of the maintenance schedule is truly unnecessary for the first 50,000 miles, if you're not keeping the car. Much of it is unnecessary regardless. Today's cars are amazingly self sufficient. But service is a big part of dealer profits. Hence, the maintenance schedulse. (Changing ATF is the one that gets me chuckling the most. ) Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I agree in principle, the regular maintenance of any modern vehicle does actually require more than changing the oil and filter periodically. Unless you're unconcerned with the lifespan of the vehicle, which I guess might be the case with a leased vehicle. Of course, there's also the time and effort associated with proper disposal of the waste oil and filter, which is toxic waste and might also have additional expenses associated with it. BTW, while modern synthetic oils do maintain their lubricity for far greater than older oils and modern engines run cleaner, there are still lots of combustion toxins and engine part corrosivie impurities that the oil is infused with during normal operation, which is why you're changing the oil. If you want to change the oil on a very long service interval, you should change the filter every 5000-6000 miles and replenish the oil to make up for the losses incurred. The standard service on my car involves an inspection and maintenance of all the electrical connections, torquing chassis bolts, rotating the tires, inspecting the brake friction material, changing the oil and filter, making sure the coolant and hydraulic fluids are up to spec, running diagnostics for the computer, electric motors and battery system, and a few other details. It takes about an hour and a quarter, if you have the right equipment, and the $90 service charge includes toxic waste disposal fees. I don't have the right equipment to do the whole job correctly ... Since I own the car and intend to keep it in top condition for at 8 years, that $90 every four to six months/5000 miles is a good investment. Godfrey On Jan 8, 2008, at 3:00 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Why? Who wants to spend thirty dollars at a dealership, when five dollars and ten minutes of work can yield the same result. Paul On Jan 7, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On a leased automobile? That would be very odd. Godfrey On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Some of us do our own basic maintenance. When I was driving, I did all of my fluid changes and belt changes (Do the same for my bicycle now). -Adam On 1/7/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: ... I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. ... You've never had them serviced? How odd. ]'-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm sure you just made Ken Waller's day! :-) (He's a retired Ford engineer.) You bet ! Retired 2/06 after 40 years in all aspects of Ford engineering (planning, design, development, manufacturing design analysis (expert witness). I'll knock back a few in your honor tonight. Would you like a deal on a new Ford? I still have some stock left. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list I'm sure you just made Ken Waller's day! :-) (He's a retired Ford engineer.) -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well guys, I just got back to reading the posts and I do have to say that I am a FORD person. My first car was a 1959 Galaxie with a 292 YB v8, Next 1963 Galaxie 500 xl, 2dr fastback with a 352 v8, 1969 Fairlane 500 2dr hardtop with a 302 v8, 1967 Mustang hardtop with a 200 six cyl, 1969 Fairlane 500 2 dr sportsroof with a 302 v8, 1971 Galaxie 2 dr. hardtop with a 390 v8, 1969 Mustang hardtop with a 302 v8 windsor motor which I ran at the track (drag racing) in Stock class with a best et time of 13.5 seconds and this car took me to win the first place points for the year 1973-74 at the drag strip. Still have the car which sits in a garage, it has 49,000 miles on it. Then came a 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 with a 289 v8, full cam, solid lifters, two 500 cfm Carter AFB carbs. This car has 54,000 miles on it and I still have it. Next is a 1954 F100 ford pickup that had a 272yb v8, but now has a 390 v8 with a four barrel Holley, 1955 F100 pickup with a Olds v8, this truck was for parts f or the 54 F100, Lots of 1963 and 1964 Ford Galaxies, 1968 Torino GT conv with a 390 330 horse motor which I wish I kept. 1968 Torino GT Fastback with a 302 v8 but now is a 351 windsor v8, it needs to be restored, 1964 Ford Fairlane with a 260 v8, 2 dr sedan, would have made a nice looking Thunderbolt (I guess Paul will know what I mean), a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV with a 460 v8, Two 1976 Lincoln Mark IV's with 460 v8's, 1967 Galaxie Fastback with a 390 v8, 1964 Ford Galaxie Conv 390 v8 police motor, solid lifters, etc. Our current cars are a little newer. So Yes I am a FORD person. Guess if I did not have Ford's, it would have been Dodge or Plymouths. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] More nonsense. J.D. Power is completely above reproach. They accept no bullshit. I know. I've had to deal with them. And for years, the American brands were at the bottom of the list. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. JD Power is biased to make the big 3 look better than they are. They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh I care, I just don't get very excited about it. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list I doubt that he cares. The acronym gags are older then me:-) Paul -- Original message -- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess I insulted him then, maybe a smiley would have been appropriate. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure you just made Ken Waller's day! :-) (He's a retired Ford engineer.) -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well guys, I just got back to reading the posts and I do have to say that I am a FORD person. My first car was a 1959 Galaxie with a 292 YB v8, Next 1963 Galaxie 500 xl, 2dr fastback with a 352 v8, 1969 Fairlane 500 2dr hardtop with a 302 v8, 1967 Mustang hardtop with a 200 six cyl, 1969 Fairlane 500 2 dr sportsroof with a 302 v8, 1971 Galaxie 2 dr. hardtop with a 390 v8, 1969 Mustang hardtop with a 302 v8 windsor motor which I ran at the track (drag racing) in Stock class with a best et time of 13.5 seconds and this car took me to win the first place points for the year 1973-74 at the drag strip. Still have the car which sits in a garage, it has 49,000 miles on it. Then came a 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 with a 289 v8, full cam, solid lifters, two 500 cfm Carter AFB carbs. This car has 54,000 miles on it and I still have it. Next is a 1954 F100 ford pickup that had a 272yb v8, but now has a 390 v8 with a four barrel Holley, 1955 F100 pickup with a Olds v8, this truck was for parts f or the 54 F100, Lots of 1963 and 1964 Ford Galaxies, 1968 Torino GT conv with a 390 330 horse motor which I wish I kept. 1968 Torino GT Fastback with a 302 v8 but now is a 351 windsor v8, it needs to be restored, 1964 Ford Fairlane with a 260 v8, 2 dr sedan, would have made a nice looking Thunderbolt (I guess Paul will know what I mean), a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV with a 460 v8, Two 1976 Lincoln Mark IV's with 460 v8's, 1967 Galaxie Fastback with a 390 v8, 1964 Ford Galaxie Conv 390 v8 police motor, solid lifters, etc. Our current cars are a little newer. So Yes I am a FORD person. Guess if I did not have Ford's, it would have been Dodge or Plymouths. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] More nonsense. J.D. Power is completely above reproach. They accept no bullshit. I know. I've had to deal with them. And for years, the American brands were at the bottom of the list. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. JD Power is biased to make the big 3 look better than they are. They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 8, 2008 3:47 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list So, in essence, because you don't own the lease cars and pay the dealer profits up front with the lease, you feel that servicing them properly is no longer of any importance to you. That's fine as far as it goes, but it's why I hate to consider buying second hand cars that have been leased. Generally, people who lease vehicles treat them with the same respect that they would give to a disposable diaper. One would hope the diaper ischanged more than the oil. Dave William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you've owned that many it doesn't say too much about their reliability :-) Or he's an old fart like some of us! VBG Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list If you've owned that many it doesn't say too much about their reliability :-) On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 04:29:49PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well guys, I just got back to reading the posts and I do have to say that I am a FORD person. My first car was a 1959 Galaxie with a 292 YB v8, Next 1963 Galaxie 500 xl, 2dr fastback with a 352 v8, 1969 Fairlane 500 2dr hardtop with a 302 v8, 1967 Mustang hardtop with a 200 six cyl, 1969 Fairlane 500 2 dr sportsroof with a 302 v8, 1971 Galaxie 2 dr. hardtop with a 390 v8, 1969 Mustang hardtop with a 302 v8 windsor motor which I ran at the track (drag racing) in Stock class with a best et time of 13.5 seconds and this car took me to win the first place points for the year 1973-74 at the drag strip. Still have the car which sits in a garage, it has 49,000 miles on it. Then came a 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 with a 289 v8, full cam, solid lifters, two 500 cfm Carter AFB carbs. This car has 54,000 miles on it and I still have it. Next is a 1954 F100 ford pickup that had a 272yb v8, but now has a 390 v8 with a four barrel Holley, 1955 F100 pickup with a Olds v8, this truck was for p arts f or the 54 F100, Lots of 1963 and 1964 Ford Galaxies, 1968 Torino GT conv with a 390 330 horse motor which I wish I kept. 1968 Torino GT Fastback with a 302 v8 but now is a 351 windsor v8, it needs to be restored, 1964 Ford Fairlane with a 260 v8, 2 dr sedan, would have made a nice looking Thunderbolt (I guess Paul will know what I mean), a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV with a 460 v8, Two 1976 Lincoln Mark IV's with 460 v8's, 1967 Galaxie Fastback with a 390 v8, 1964 Ford Galaxie Conv 390 v8 police motor, solid lifters, etc. Our current cars are a little newer. So Yes I am a FORD person. Guess if I did not have Ford's, it would have been Dodge or Plymouths. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] More nonsense. J.D. Power is completely above reproach. They accept no bullshit. I know. I've had to deal with them. And for years, the American brands were at the bottom of the list. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. JD Power is biased to make the big 3 look better than they are. They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well guys, I just got back to reading the posts and I do have to say that I am a FORD person. My first car was a 1959 Galaxie with a 292 YB v8, Next 1963 Galaxie 500 xl, 2dr fastback with a 352 v8, 1969 Fairlane 500 2dr hardtop with a 302 v8, 1967 Mustang hardtop with a 200 six cyl, 1969 Fairlane 500 2 dr sportsroof with a 302 v8, 1971 Galaxie 2 dr. hardtop with a 390 v8, 1969 Mustang hardtop with a 302 v8 windsor motor which I ran at the track (drag racing) in Stock class with a best et time of 13.5 seconds and this car took me to win the first place points for the year 1973-74 at the drag strip. Still have the car which sits in a garage, it has 49,000 miles on it. Then came a 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 with a 289 v8, full cam, solid lifters, two 500 cfm Carter AFB carbs. This car has 54,000 miles on it and I still have it. Next is a 1954 F100 ford pickup that had a 272yb v8, but now has a 390 v8 with a four barrel Holley, 1955 F100 pickup with a Olds v8, this truck was for parts f or the 54 F100, Lots of 1963 and 1964 Ford Galaxies, 1968 Torino GT conv with a 390 330 horse motor which I wish I kept. 1968 Torino GT Fastback with a 302 v8 but now is a 351 windsor v8, it needs to be restored, 1964 Ford Fairlane with a 260 v8, 2 dr sedan, would have made a nice looking Thunderbolt (I guess Paul will know what I mean), a 1975 Lincoln Mark IV with a 460 v8, Two 1976 Lincoln Mark IV's with 460 v8's, 1967 Galaxie Fastback with a 390 v8, 1964 Ford Galaxie Conv 390 v8 police motor, solid lifters, etc. Our current cars are a little newer. So Yes I am a FORD person. Guess if I did not have Ford's, it would have been Dodge or Plymouths. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] More nonsense. J.D. Power is completely above reproach. They accept no bullshit. I know. I've had to deal with them. And for years, the American brands were at the bottom of the list. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. JD Power is biased to make the big 3 look better than they are. They have as much credibility as Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jan 8, 2008 4:43 PM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just find it some what amusing, that GM has known about this 2-3 shift clunk, since the introducton of the exteded cabs, and have yet to find a fix. If it is a known problem @ corporate, then a conscious decision was made to not fix it. This isn't rocket science. Thats basically what i concluded. I'm buying a rocket next time Dave Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list I just find it some what amusing, that GM has known about this 2-3 shift clunk, since the introducton of the exteded cabs, and have yet to find a fix. I love the drive, look and feel of my GM truck, but that clunk. Drives me nuts sometimes. It MAY drive me over to another brand when this one goes, hopefully not for a while.:-0 Knock Knock Dave On Jan 7, 2008 10:02 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. On Jan 7, 2008, at 8:07 PM, William Robb wrote: This would be why I have bought exactly one American badged vehicle (which was so bad that it fell apart under warranty and was essentiallly unrepairable), and now, no matter where they are assembled, will probably never buy anything but Nissan. I've noticed in the news that the big 3 are all on the ropes these days, perhaps those Harvard MBA's aren't overly smart. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P. J. Alling wrote: You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. No-one on this white list going to give us the Pontiac one? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have always changed my oil, in the trucks that is, at 5000 Km's. I 'v gone through a lot of trannies, but never an engine. Cost is about $45.00 at the dealer, roughly ever 3 months Dave On Jan 8, 2008 5:20 PM, Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly, on my Boxster, the factory states oil change (Mobil One synthetic) intervals of 20K miles or 1 year. But my lease cars get the oil changed every 20,000 miles, Since you're leasing its probably ok, but I wonder about the efficiency of the oil filter during those 20K miles. Only way to know would be to have a chemical analysis of the oil done, but the cost of that would defeat the savings of 20k intervals. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list I do all that and more on my 55 BelAir Convertible. I even wash the underside by hand with Fantastik and rags every 1000 miles or so. But my lease cars get the oil changed every 20,000 miles, whether they need it or not:-)/ Period. In truth, I don't do it myself. I go to quick-change oil place, which are still way cheaper than the dealer. About twenty dollars. The rest of the maintenance schedule is truly unnecessary for the first 50,000 miles, if you're not keeping the car. Much of it is unnecessary regardless. Today's cars are amazingly self sufficient. But service is a big part of dealer profits. Hence, the maintenance schedulse. (Changing ATF is the one that gets me chuckling the most. ) Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I agree in principle, the regular maintenance of any modern vehicle does actually require more than changing the oil and filter periodically. Unless you're unconcerned with the lifespan of the vehicle, which I guess might be the case with a leased vehicle. Of course, there's also the time and effort associated with proper disposal of the waste oil and filter, which is toxic waste and might also have additional expenses associated with it. BTW, while modern synthetic oils do maintain their lubricity for far greater than older oils and modern engines run cleaner, there are still lots of combustion toxins and engine part corrosivie impurities that the oil is infused with during normal operation, which is why you're changing the oil. If you want to change the oil on a very long service interval, you should change the filter every 5000-6000 miles and replenish the oil to make up for the losses incurred. The standard service on my car involves an inspection and maintenance of all the electrical connections, torquing chassis bolts, rotating the tires, inspecting the brake friction material, changing the oil and filter, making sure the coolant and hydraulic fluids are up to spec, running diagnostics for the computer, electric motors and battery system, and a few other details. It takes about an hour and a quarter, if you have the right equipment, and the $90 service charge includes toxic waste disposal fees. I don't have the right equipment to do the whole job correctly ... Since I own the car and intend to keep it in top condition for at 8 years, that $90 every four to six months/5000 miles is a good investment. Godfrey On Jan 8, 2008, at 3:00 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Why? Who wants to spend thirty dollars at a dealership, when five dollars and ten minutes of work can yield the same result. Paul On Jan 7, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On a leased automobile? That would be very odd. Godfrey On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Adam Maas wrote: Some of us do our own basic maintenance. When I was driving, I did all of my fluid changes and belt changes (Do the same for my bicycle now). -Adam On 1/7/08, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: ... I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. ... You've never had them serviced? How odd. ]'-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On quite a lot of cars service during the warranty period is 'free' (i.e. bundled into the purchase price), so the cheapest option is to take it to a dealership or authorised service centre (which is also a good idea if you want to be able to claim on the warranty). I bought a used lease vehicle, and so far (almost two years on) it doesn't seem to have been a problem. Mind you, it only had 20,000 miles on the clock, so it probably never saw the service department until it was traded in (24 months after the initial lease). On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 08:19:34PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, never buy a lease. I just leased a new car the other day, a Jeep Wrangler 4-door soft top. The buy out price isn't all that bad, so I'm thinking I might buy it when the lease is up. If I decide to do that, I'll take relatively good care of it. Ten K oil changes in any event. And I'll look through the maintenance schedule to see what else is important. But I probably won't take it to the dealer. I can still save by cherry picking the list of scheduled maintenance and having it done elsewhere. Or, if it doesn't require me to crawl on the ground, doing it myself. Paul -- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, in essence, because you don't own the lease cars and pay the dealer profits up front with the lease, you feel that servicing them properly is no longer of any importance to you. That's fine as far as it goes, but it's why I hate to consider buying second hand cars that have been leased. Godfrey On Jan 8, 2008, at 8:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do all that and more on my 55 BelAir Convertible. I even wash the underside by hand with Fantastik and rags every 1000 miles or so. But my lease cars get the oil changed every 20,000 miles, whether they need it or not:-)/ Period. In truth, I don't do it myself. I go to quick-change oil place, which are still way cheaper than the dealer. About twenty dollars. The rest of the maintenance schedule is truly unnecessary for the first 50,000 miles, if you're not keeping the car. Much of it is unnecessary regardless. Today's cars are amazingly self sufficient. But service is a big part of dealer profits. Hence, the maintenance schedulse. (Changing ATF is the one that gets me chuckling the most. ) Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bah... My 81 Mustang (Rustang) was a Fix Or Repair Daily. I do so like the Buy American concept these days. A friend was giving me some grief about replacing the Nissan with another Nissan a while back. I asked him where his Chevy was made(Canada). He didn't know. My Xterra was made in Tennessee. Of course the money went to Nissan in Japan, but I don't think that the sentiment was ever really about who actually got the money. Who cares if the money sits in brokerage accounts here or there? The Buy American idea was intended to keep American workers employed, right? CW The BMW was made in Germany :) - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not completely. For the most part, .the idea of buy American to add to the GNP. Your money went to Japan. And as I said, Nissan fails statistically. You got lucky. Good for you. But in terms of quality and reliability, it's not a leading brand. Many domestics better it. That's not opinion. That's not based on personal experience. That's fact. Paul -- Original message -- From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bah... My 81 Mustang (Rustang) was a Fix Or Repair Daily. I do so like the Buy American concept these days. A friend was giving me some grief about replacing the Nissan with another Nissan a while back. I asked him where his Chevy was made(Canada). He didn't know. My Xterra was made in Tennessee. Of course the money went to Nissan in Japan, but I don't think that the sentiment was ever really about who actually got the money. Who cares if the money sits in brokerage accounts here or there? The Buy American idea was intended to keep American workers employed, right? CW The BMW was made in Germany :) - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As long as we're listing these - How about Found On Road Dead. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My Boxster was made in Finland. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Bah... My 81 Mustang (Rustang) was a Fix Or Repair Daily. I do so like the Buy American concept these days. A friend was giving me some grief about replacing the Nissan with another Nissan a while back. I asked him where his Chevy was made(Canada). He didn't know. My Xterra was made in Tennessee. Of course the money went to Nissan in Japan, but I don't think that the sentiment was ever really about who actually got the money. Who cares if the money sits in brokerage accounts here or there? The Buy American idea was intended to keep American workers employed, right? CW The BMW was made in Germany :) - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: 1/8/2008 1:38 PM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Ok I am back, how about General Motors = Geniue Mistake, I guess you have heard the one about Pontiac, which I will not say. There are a lot of sayings for all car makes. But what I think really matters is if you like what you drive. All the car companies have had bad cars at sometime...It's just that I like Ford products, not so much in favor of the newer cars. I will never own a import period.. Here is a link to a Mustang GT that I photographed for Hot Rod and Super Ford Magazine. Just the Hot Rod Magazine stuff is there. http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=753552 And If you look here, you will see a Hemi Cuda that I photographed for Super Stock and Drag Illustrated Magazine, just the published pages from Super Stock... http://photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=753552 Hemi Cudas are real nice and also Ford Thunderbolts are nice. I photographed a Thunderbolt also for Super Ford Magazine.For those who do not know what a Thunderbolt is, It is a 1964 Ford Fairlane 2 dr sedan with a 427 C.I . Fe Motor stuffed between the shock towers which had to be modified for the big motor to fit...Joe -- Original message -- From: Ken Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] As long as we're listing these - How about Found On Road Dead. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think I said that three quotes down... Ken Waller wrote: As long as we're listing these - How about Found On Road Dead. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Fucked-Over Rebuilt Dodge Christian Ken Waller wrote: First On Race Day Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list You know FORD is actually an acronym... Found On Road Dead. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/06 Sun PM 11:07:08 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list All the mechanicals were the same as the other Ford cars. I think the bodywork (except for trim) was the same as other Ford models but the engine, at least, was unique for Ford and there were other innovative features, such as the pushbutton gearchange. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The engine was used in Lincolns and Mercuries as well. It was a chamber-in-block V8 of 410 cubic inch displacement. It had very large ports and a stout Y-block configuration. Quite a workhorse of an engine that served well in the days of 30 cents a gallon gasoline. Paul On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:55 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/06 Sun PM 11:07:08 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list All the mechanicals were the same as the other Ford cars. I think the bodywork (except for trim) was the same as other Ford models but the engine, at least, was unique for Ford and there were other innovative features, such as the pushbutton gearchange. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/07 Mon AM 11:05:56 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list The engine was used in Lincolns and Mercuries as well. It was a chamber-in-block V8 of 410 cubic inch displacement. It had very large ports and a stout Y-block configuration. Quite a workhorse of an engine that served well in the days of 30 cents a gallon gasoline. Paul So I see from some swift Gurgling. These engine types are commonly called Heron (possibly Herron)headed, after the designer who made them function satisfactorily - my small block Moto Guzzi is fitted with a similar design. Do you know who designed the Edsel engine? On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:55 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/06 Sun PM 11:07:08 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list All the mechanicals were the same as the other Ford cars. I think the bodywork (except for trim) was the same as other Ford models but the engine, at least, was unique for Ford and there were other innovative features, such as the pushbutton gearchange. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No, I don't know who designed it. Most Detroit engines of that era were the work of a number of engineers. I believe the first version of this engine, in smaller displacement, appeared in the very early fifties in a Lincoln. Paul On Jan 7, 2008, at 6:52 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/07 Mon AM 11:05:56 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list The engine was used in Lincolns and Mercuries as well. It was a chamber-in-block V8 of 410 cubic inch displacement. It had very large ports and a stout Y-block configuration. Quite a workhorse of an engine that served well in the days of 30 cents a gallon gasoline. Paul So I see from some swift Gurgling. These engine types are commonly called Heron (possibly Herron)headed, after the designer who made them function satisfactorily - my small block Moto Guzzi is fitted with a similar design. Do you know who designed the Edsel engine? On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:55 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/06 Sun PM 11:07:08 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list All the mechanicals were the same as the other Ford cars. I think the bodywork (except for trim) was the same as other Ford models but the engine, at least, was unique for Ford and there were other innovative features, such as the pushbutton gearchange. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/07 Mon PM 12:00:44 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list No, I don't know who designed it. Most Detroit engines of that era were the work of a number of engineers. I believe the first version of this engine, in smaller displacement, appeared in the very early fifties in a Lincoln. Paul As far as I can gather, Samuel D Heron was an engineer who worked at the Royal Aircraft Factory during WWI and then moved to the US in the late 1920s to work at Wright's factory. After that, I lose track of him. I thought there was an association with Harry Ricardo but can't find anything. It would be interesting to know where he ended up. On Jan 7, 2008, at 6:52 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/07 Mon AM 11:05:56 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list The engine was used in Lincolns and Mercuries as well. It was a chamber-in-block V8 of 410 cubic inch displacement. It had very large ports and a stout Y-block configuration. Quite a workhorse of an engine that served well in the days of 30 cents a gallon gasoline. Paul So I see from some swift Gurgling. These engine types are commonly called Heron (possibly Herron)headed, after the designer who made them function satisfactorily - my small block Moto Guzzi is fitted with a similar design. Do you know who designed the Edsel engine? On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:55 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/06 Sun PM 11:07:08 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list All the mechanicals were the same as the other Ford cars. I think the bodywork (except for trim) was the same as other Ford models but the engine, at least, was unique for Ford and there were other innovative features, such as the pushbutton gearchange. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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He might very well have ended up in Detroit. I'll ask around. Chevrolet produced an engine of this design as well. It was first used in passenger cars in 1958, but may have been used in trucks prior to that. The chamber in block design seems to yield excellent low end and midrange torque, so it's well suited to heavy cars and trucks. However, the high speed operation is not very good, and emissions are extremely high due to cooling of the charge. Paul -- Original message -- From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/07 Mon PM 12:00:44 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list No, I don't know who designed it. Most Detroit engines of that era were the work of a number of engineers. I believe the first version of this engine, in smaller displacement, appeared in the very early fifties in a Lincoln. Paul As far as I can gather, Samuel D Heron was an engineer who worked at the Royal Aircraft Factory during WWI and then moved to the US in the late 1920s to work at Wright's factory. After that, I lose track of him. I thought there was an association with Harry Ricardo but can't find anything. It would be interesting to know where he ended up. On Jan 7, 2008, at 6:52 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/07 Mon AM 11:05:56 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list The engine was used in Lincolns and Mercuries as well. It was a chamber-in-block V8 of 410 cubic inch displacement. It had very large ports and a stout Y-block configuration. Quite a workhorse of an engine that served well in the days of 30 cents a gallon gasoline. Paul So I see from some swift Gurgling. These engine types are commonly called Heron (possibly Herron)headed, after the designer who made them function satisfactorily - my small block Moto Guzzi is fitted with a similar design. Do you know who designed the Edsel engine? On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:55 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/06 Sun PM 11:07:08 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list All the mechanicals were the same as the other Ford cars. I think the bodywork (except for trim) was the same as other Ford models but the engine, at least, was unique for Ford and there were other innovative features, such as the pushbutton gearchange. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Based on my Coca Cola inflation index, from ~1950-1964 a 12 oz serving of Coke cost 10¢. Today it's about $1.00. So by extension we're still in the age of 30¢ a gallon gasoline. It's just that the decimal point got moved one place to the left. Paul Stenquist wrote: The engine was used in Lincolns and Mercuries as well. It was a chamber-in-block V8 of 410 cubic inch displacement. It had very large ports and a stout Y-block configuration. Quite a workhorse of an engine that served well in the days of 30 cents a gallon gasoline. Paul On Jan 7, 2008, at 4:55 AM, mike wilson wrote: From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/06 Sun PM 11:07:08 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list All the mechanicals were the same as the other Ford cars. I think the bodywork (except for trim) was the same as other Ford models but the engine, at least, was unique for Ford and there were other innovative features, such as the pushbutton gearchange. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Saturn (was Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list)
The Saturn division originally built very good little cars, a great first cut on subcompacts. GM simply starved them of money until they could be made over in the image of the parent company. Now Saturns are just plastic clad GM extrusions. They build keepers but the fish keeps rotting from the head... My dad got one of the very first Saturn coupes in California, and for the rest of the '90s my little brothers and I were big Saturn fans (we were young and impressionable, what can I say). Every year we went to the San Francisco International Auto Show, and I saw the evolution of the Saturn brand from the beginning. When GM started drawing them in closer, they just went downhill. Quality, looks, everything. The only interesting unique thing Saturn has put out this decade was the 2001 special edition yellow coupe, which I thought was just beautiful, especially with the black yellow leather interior. My mom got one, but with plain black cloth interior (boring). The other product of theirs that I like is the Sky roadster, but it's just another GM clone, like the rest of Saturn's cars now. I was very sad when my dad sold his little red Saturn, but it was getting old and he needed something he could haul gardening supplies with. Now he's driving a Honda CR-V, and I suspect future car purchases that my parents make will be Japanese as well. My parents just don't trust the American car companies anymore. Me, I'd give anything for a new Dodge Challenger. John Celio The Saturn Score: Dad: original '91 SC-1 Coupe, now drives a Honda CR-V Mom: 2001 yellow special edition SC-2 Bro 1: 2000 (?) SL-2 Bro 2: 2004/5 Ion Me: yet to own a Saturn, much less drive one. My family's cars are all manual transmission, which I don't drive well enough to risk ruining a clutch or two. Plus, I'm not a GM fan, and currently loathe my little Chevy. Case in point: http://www.neovenator.com/2008/01/is-time-to-bitch.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's China, you see, twenty billion mopeds use a lot of gasoline. You should have kept them on bicycles and water buffalo. When they get cars and the Africans get mopeds, then we are in real trouble. There are those who say we need to ride bicycles anyway, but I imagine those people have never tried to pack up the family and all their belongings on the bicycle to go to Florida for the winter. Graywolf (Tom Rittenhouse) Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- P. J. Alling wrote: Based on my Coca Cola inflation index, from ~1950-1964 a 12 oz serving of Coke cost 10¢. Today it's about $1.00. So by extension we're still in the age of 30¢ a gallon gasoline. It's just that the decimal point got moved one place to the left. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think it failed because of the fact that you couldn't hear or feel a shift The CV transmissions have the same characteristics - a littl un-nerving at first, but something that you can get used to. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David J Brooks Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Now, if GM's Engineers could come up with a decent non clunking tranny for their extebded cabs, my life would be a heck of a lot better.:-) You figure after building cars for what, 90-100 years,, some one would come up with a keeper. IIRC, back in the mid 1950's, Buick had a transmission called something like turboglide, that shifted without feeling or hearing it shift. I think it failed because of the fact that you couldn't hear or feel a shift. I could very well be wrong in my recollection. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Right you are...Dynaflow was a Buick transmission. My '48 Roadmaster used it. TurboGlide and PowerGlide were, I think, '50's Chevrolet designations, but you could feel their shift points. -p [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're wrong only in the name. It was called Dynaflow, and it was a continuously variable automatic. If memory serves me, it utilized torque converter multiplication to alter ratios. I think they had a lot of service problems with it. I suspect the converter action generated a lot of heat. But it was around for quite a few years until they adapted the corporate transmissions THM400 and THM350. Speaking of transmissions, the THM400 was licensed to Jaguar, and they continued to use it for quite a few years after GM had abandoned it. It was only a three-speed, but it was bullet proof behind anything less than 500 horsepower or so. Paul -- Original message -- From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David J Brooks Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:49 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Now, if GM's Engineers could come up with a decent non clunking tranny for their extebded cabs, my life would be a heck of a lot better.:-) You figure after building cars for what, 90-100 years,, some one would come up with a keeper. IIRC, back in the mid 1950's, Buick had a transmission called something like turboglide, that shifted without feeling or hearing it shift. I think it failed because of the fact that you couldn't hear or feel a shift. I could very well be wrong in my recollection. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Saturn (was Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list)
The Sky's interesting, as it's a straight rebadge of the Opel Speedster (Same styling and drivetrain) unlike the fairly extensively modified Solstice (which is based on the Speedster, but not identical). Wait, you mean the Sky and Solstice aren't the exact same rebadged car? Are you certain? What sort of differences are there? Oh, and when did GM aquire Opel? John Unrelated: what do you think it would take to get GM to make a new Firebird? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Saturn (was Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list)
Opel has been a GM mark since 1931, apart from brief government control during the Nazi era. GM initially invested in Opel in 1929, buying 80%, and bought the rest in 1931. Several Opel designs have made it over here under different names, starting with the Cadillac Catera/Saturn L100. The Sky Red Line is identical to the Opel GT(Argh, forgot the Speedster's the earlier model, with the mid engine not the current model) . The only differences are the badges, Opel doesn't sell the base model. Daewoo also sells this car as the G2X. The Solstice is based on the same platform (the Kappa) but with completely different sheetmetal and different suspension and options (The Solstice is actually the faster vehicle due to better suspension tuning). -Adam On 1/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Sky's interesting, as it's a straight rebadge of the Opel Speedster (Same styling and drivetrain) unlike the fairly extensively modified Solstice (which is based on the Speedster, but not identical). Wait, you mean the Sky and Solstice aren't the exact same rebadged car? Are you certain? What sort of differences are there? Oh, and when did GM aquire Opel? John Unrelated: what do you think it would take to get GM to make a new Firebird? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Saturn (was Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list)
Also, Saturn seems to be essentially the US branding for Opel as of this year, much as Vauxhall is in the UK and some low-end Holdens are in Australia. All of the current Saturn line are similar or identical to Opels but manufacture is shared. THe Astra and Sky/GT are identical, while the Aura and Vue are similar to their Opel brethren (Vectra and Antara). The Outlook is the sole exception, but it's a product that wouldn't sell in Europe anyways. -Adam On 1/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Sky's interesting, as it's a straight rebadge of the Opel Speedster (Same styling and drivetrain) unlike the fairly extensively modified Solstice (which is based on the Speedster, but not identical). Wait, you mean the Sky and Solstice aren't the exact same rebadged car? Are you certain? What sort of differences are there? Oh, and when did GM aquire Opel? John Unrelated: what do you think it would take to get GM to make a new Firebird? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list
- Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list I can see you do not have a Harvard MBA. They teach them that products should fall apart after the warranty runs out so you can sell them another. This would be why I have bought exactly one American badged vehicle (which was so bad that it fell apart under warranty and was essentiallly unrepairable), and now, no matter where they are assembled, will probably never buy anything but Nissan. I've noticed in the news that the big 3 are all on the ropes these days, perhaps those Harvard MBA's aren't overly smart. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list
- Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Now, if GM's Engineers could come up with a decent non clunking tranny for their extebded cabs, my life would be a heck of a lot better.:-) You figure after building cars for what, 90-100 years,, some one would come up with a keeper. The 5 speed automatic in my Titan is very smooth. The engine mated to it has more torque than the Dodge 5.7 Girly-Hemi. The only other truck that attracts me is the F-350 Crew Cab Super Duty. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list
- Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list I think it failed because of the fact that you couldn't hear or feel a shift The CV transmissions have the same characteristics - a littl un-nerving at first, but something that you can get used to. I test drove a little Nissan with a CV tranny a while back. Very unnerving at first, as you think the tranny has a serious problem. Under hard off-the-line acceleration, the engine jumped to 4K RPM and held that speed until the tranny caught up, and then started to increase the rpm. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 07:10:40PM -0600, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Ken Waller Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list I think it failed because of the fact that you couldn't hear or feel a shift The CV transmissions have the same characteristics - a littl un-nerving at first, but something that you can get used to. I test drove a little Nissan with a CV tranny a while back. Very unnerving at first, as you think the tranny has a serious problem. My wife's MINI has the CVT - it does take a litle getting used to. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Saturn (was Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list)
On Mon, Jan 07, 2008 at 03:47:06PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Sky's interesting, as it's a straight rebadge of the Opel Speedster (Same styling and drivetrain) unlike the fairly extensively modified Solstice (which is based on the Speedster, but not identical). Wait, you mean the Sky and Solstice aren't the exact same rebadged car? Are you certain? What sort of differences are there? The Solstice has been severely beaten with the ugly stick (apparently Pontiac didn't use them all up when they built the Aztek). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list
Of course you can get the 6 liter 425 horsepower hemi in a Dodge Ram. Nothing girly about that. Paul On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:58 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list Now, if GM's Engineers could come up with a decent non clunking tranny for their extebded cabs, my life would be a heck of a lot better.:-) You figure after building cars for what, 90-100 years,, some one would come up with a keeper. The 5 speed automatic in my Titan is very smooth. The engine mated to it has more torque than the Dodge 5.7 Girly-Hemi. The only other truck that attracts me is the F-350 Crew Cab Super Duty. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list
Utter nonsense. Take a look at the J.D. Power Customer Satisfaction Index. A number of American brands are right at the top. Quite a bit ahead of Nissan I might add. I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. And Chrysler products aren't among the leaders, but they're still plenty reliable. On Jan 7, 2008, at 8:07 PM, William Robb wrote: This would be why I have bought exactly one American badged vehicle (which was so bad that it fell apart under warranty and was essentiallly unrepairable), and now, no matter where they are assembled, will probably never buy anything but Nissan. I've noticed in the news that the big 3 are all on the ropes these days, perhaps those Harvard MBA's aren't overly smart. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Question for automobile enthusiasts on the list
On Jan 7, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: ... I've had six Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep leased vehicles over the last 15 years. None has ever had to spend even an hour in the dealership. ... You've never had them serviced? How odd. ]'-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
