RE: [QUAD-L] Shoulder

[Nichole Rohling]

I have the same pain sometimes and I think it’s nerve pain. 

Gabapentin has helped.

Nicki

 

From: Greg [mailto:g...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:31 PM
To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Subject: [QUAD-L] Shoulder

 

My shoulder blade hurts so bad I feel sick. Its like a knife is sticking under 
there prying it up. It comes and goes for years now. I’ve been to every type of 
doctor and had every test. They can’t find a cause. My guess would be pinched 
nerve, but they tested for that. Had me hooked up to a bunch of electrodes. 
Catscan, MRI, Xray, Ultrasound, etc. It can be gone for weeks, but then show up 
for hours, days, weeks, etc.

My sister had a similar problem and it turned out it was her Thyroid. Who knew 
your Thyroid could hurt your shoulder blade. But I was tested for that a few 
times.

I'm on pretty good pain meds for other things, but it does not even dent this.
Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder

[greg]

That's the big question. What brings it on. I do the same basic things every day. Yet it comes and goes. May start when up for hours, may start when in bed a time. When cold out, or warm out. May last a hour, may last a month. Was gone for about 2 months once. Its been a couple years now since it started. Sounds like a pinched nerve to me, but the Neurologist said the test they did would detect that, even if not hurting at the time. 
 
Greg
> I take a supplement with Glucosamine, Chrondroitin and Msm to fight
> the shoulder issues I had. What an expert told me I was dealing
> with was an impingement. Can you lift your arm straight up without
> pain? When does the pain start to your knowledge? That's the
> questions to start with.
>
>
> Ron
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:59 PM, greg  wrote:
>
>
> My shoulder is getting worse, more frequent. It feels like an ice-
> pick jammed under my shoulder blade. The pain comes and goes. Might
> be gone a week, might last a week. Might be gone a day, a month,
> then last a day or month. It's a lot more often now. My pain meds
> don't even dull it. Though I can't feel most of my arm, it feels
> like its shooting pain down my arm, but also like a numbness down
> my arm. Like I banged my elbow. I can deal with that part. It's the
> feeling of an ice pick jammed in there that really hurts.
>
> I've had Xrays, CatScan, MRI, Electric Stimulation, Pinched Nerve
> Tests, seen docs, neurologist surgeon.  Nothing... Can't find a
> thing. It all started with a mole. It felt like a sliver in y back
> when it touched something. So they removed it. Then the same
> feeling came back later even though nothing is there. No mark, red
> spot. It's just getting worse. I'd cut my arm off it I thought it
> would help. Cortisone shots help the first few times, but the last
> one did nothing.
>
> $@!*# Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder

[RONALD L PRACHT]

I take a supplement with Glucosamine, Chrondroitin and Msm to fight the 
shoulder issues I had. What an expert told me I was dealing with was an 
impingement. Can you lift your arm straight up without pain? When does the pain 
start to your knowledge? That's the questions to start with.
Ron 

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:59 PM, greg  wrote:
 

 My shoulder is getting 
worse, more frequent. It feels like an ice-pick jammed under my shoulder blade. 
The pain comes and goes. Might be gone a week, might last a week. Might be gone 
a day, a month, then last a day or month. It's a lot more often now. My pain 
meds don't even dull it. Though I can't feel most of my arm, it feels like its 
shooting pain down my arm, but also like a numbness down my arm. Like I banged 
my elbow. I can deal with that part. It's the feeling of an ice pick jammed in 
there that really hurts. I've had Xrays, CatScan, MRI, Electric Stimulation, 
Pinched Nerve Tests, seen docs, neurologist surgeon.  Nothing… Can't find a 
thing. It all started with a mole. It felt like a sliver in y back when it 
touched something. So they removed it. Then the same feeling came back later 
even though nothing is there. No mark, red spot. It's just getting worse. I'd 
cut my arm off it I thought it would help. Cortisone shots help the first few 
times, but the last one did nothing.  $@!*# Greg 

   

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder Blades

[Danny Hearn]

Wow, with all that going on...we should recommend you for the purple 
heart..lol,  yep, my shoulders and back muscles behind my shoulders always nag 
me with pain. Both elbows and top of both hands are calloused and dry from 
holding on and trying to keep balanced...I put lotion on them often but don;t 
seem to help a whole lot. Dan H** 

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 9:32 AM, greg  wrote:
 

 Anyone else have issues with shoulder blades? 
I guess it's caused by weak shoulder muscles, but my shoulder blades actually 
touch tips. Now I have a small hole right between my blades. Not sure if it's 
from pressure, not like there is a lot of wait on it. It was bleeding pretty 
good this morning. Put some antibiotic cream on it, it's a bit red all around 
it. If it doesn't get better, I'll go in. Now I have a sore on my toe, left 
elbow is so dry it cracked, right elbow must have hit something it had a scab, 
still have a nickel size red spot on stomach from a burn blister, last night 
spilled more coffee 1 inch from old blister now have quarter size blister on 
stomach. Greg

   

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder Replacement Surgery?

[Robert Vogel]

Hi Ron and Carolyn,

Carolyn, I wrote a Para/Medic column (September 2015, New Mobility, see link) 
about shoulder
replacement surgery in people with spinal cord injuries.  Fortunately there are 
new techniques including
reverse shoulder replacement that are providing good results in rebuilding 
shoulders.  It is serious surgery and should only be considered when all other 
options have failed.  That said, surgeons that I spoke with say it gives people 
good results.

The key is finding a surgeon that is well versed in doing shoulder 
replacements—a surgeon that has done hundreds of shoulder replacements.  Also 
it is crucial that you have a good plan for rehab as you
won’t be able to move your arm for about 3-months.

Here is the link to the article:  
http://www.newmobility.com/2015/09/shoulder-replacement-wheelchair-users/ 


I was fortunate to interview some of the top orthopedic surgeons in the field 
for this article.  Again, make sure you have a surgeon that has done at least 
hundreds of shoulders—or more.  Make sure you communicate with the surgeon what 
the outcomes will be, what you need your shoulder for and make sure you have a 
good plan for rehab.

The people with spinal cord injury I interviewed had very good outcomes.

Please feel free to drop me an email if you have questions as I *might* have 
answers from the many 
interviews and/or research papers I looked at for this article.

Sincerely
Bob Vogel
Senior Correspondent, New Mobility magazine
www.newmobility.com 
rhvsh...@mac.com
> On Mar 28, 2016, at 7:29 PM, RONALD L PRACHT  wrote:
> 
> I cant imagine trying to immobilize a shoulder being a quad. I don't have 
> enough people to care for me to get through that, but I guess you do it when 
> you must.
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> On Monday, March 28, 2016 8:18 PM, "wheelch...@aol.com"  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey, let Carolyn be the 1st and let us all know.  The op, may be the easy 
> part.  Recovery may be different, because the lack of full range mobility.  
> Make sure you have physical therapist that have worked with Quads.
> Just remember, the impossible, takes a little longer.
> Best Wishes
>  
> In a message dated 3/28/2016 8:09:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
> cboy...@swbell.net writes:
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone on the loop had shoulder replacement surgery? It looks like I'm 
> going to have to have it done later this year.
> 
> Please reply either to the loop or to me privately about your experience.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Carolyn
> 
> 

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder

[Quadius]

I'm probably going to be way off base, but I am unable to move my arms and
I find the best solution is to use armrest which support the arm and
shoulder. I still have shoulder pain, but if I have the proper amount of
air in my cushioned and I'm sitting in the appropriate spot in my chair,
the pain is minimal.

I know it's more difficult when you drive chair with your hand, so I don't
really have an answer there.

A lot of my shoulder pain is because I have to have the back of my chair
slightly reclined, because I get a tremendous amount of bladder pain if I
sit upright. I feel for you and I hope you're able to get some sort of
relief which also improves your quality of life.
Quadius


On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 4:57 PM, greg g...@eskimo.com wrote:

 After going to my doc and seeing a PT, they think my shoulder pain is
 mostly from being a quad for 32 years and my muscles are just no longer
 able to hold my shoulders in place. Since being a C/4-5 quad my shoulders
 have always been pretty week. Soon after my  injury my muscles no longer
 would hold my shoulder blades in the correct place. They almost touch each
 other and my right shoulder hangs much lower than my left one. The PT is
 going to look for a shoulder compression brace. Some days it can hurt so
 bad I can't hardly move my arm.
 (#%@* Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder

[Cviewer62]

Quadius, When I go to bed at night I use a bean bag (heated in the  
microwave for 45 seconds) on my shoulder, I also use another on my back/ hip  
area. 
They both help me sleep better. I also use a shoulder one during the day  
when it is painful.  A friend made the bean bags for me and they are  great 
and easy to handle. ,   A cortizone shot might work, ask your  Dr. if an 
injection will help bring down the inflamation. I hope this helps.  Rose
 
 
 
In a message dated 5/8/2014 9:53:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
quad...@gmail.com writes:
 
I'm probably going to be way off base, but I am unable to move my  arms and 
I find the best solution is to use armrest which support the arm and  
shoulder. I still have shoulder pain, but if I have the proper amount of air  
in 
my cushioned and I'm sitting in the appropriate spot in my chair, the pain  
is minimal.

I know it's more difficult when you drive chair with your  hand, so I don't 
really have an answer there.

A lot of my shoulder pain  is because I have to have the back of my chair 
slightly reclined, because I  get a tremendous amount of bladder pain if I 
sit upright. I feel for you and I  hope you're able to get some sort of relief 
which also improves your quality  of life.
Quadius



On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 4:57 PM, greg _greg@eskimo.com_ 
(mailto:g...@eskimo.com)  wrote:


After going to my  doc and seeing a PT, they think my shoulder pain is 
mostly from being a quad  for 32 years and my muscles are just no longer able 
to 
hold my shoulders in  place. Since being a C/4-5 quad my shoulders have 
always been pretty week.  Soon after my  injury my muscles no longer would hold 
my shoulder  blades in the correct place. They almost touch each other and 
my right  shoulder hangs much lower than my left one. The PT is going to 
look for a  shoulder compression brace. Some days it can hurt so bad I can't 
hardly move  my arm. 
(#%@*  Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder

[RONALD L PRACHT]

I was having shoulder pain and the physical therapist had me doing exercises 
that pull back the shoulders. I was skeptical, but it helped me along with a 
few other exercises I cant describe. I was told that the shoulder has different 
heads and you need to figure out which you are overusing, then strengthen the 
opposite ones. Ive also dealt with bursitis which scared me because I thought I 
had a rotator tear.

ron
 


 From: jume9...@comcast.net jume9...@comcast.net
To: greg g...@eskimo.com; quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, May 5, 2014 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder
  


I'm sorry Greg, could you let us know how the compression brace works for you?


Meredith






From: greg g...@eskimo.com
To: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, May 3, 2014 1:57:09 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Shoulder

  
After going to my doc and seeing a PT, they think my shoulder pain is mostly 
from being a quad for 32 years and my muscles are just no longer able to hold 
my shoulders in place. Since being a C/4-5 quad my shoulders have always been 
pretty week. Soon after my  injury my muscles no longer would hold my shoulder 
blades in the correct place. They almost touch each other and my right shoulder 
hangs much lower than my left one. The PT is going to look for a shoulder 
compression brace. Some days it can hurt so bad I can't hardly move my arm.  
(#%@* Greg 

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder

[jume9999]

I'm sorry Greg, could you let us know how the compression brace works for you? 

Meredith 


- Original Message -

From: greg g...@eskimo.com 
To: quad-list quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, May 3, 2014 1:57:09 PM 
Subject: [QUAD-L] Shoulder 

After going to my doc and seeing a PT, they think my shoulder pain is mostly 
from being a quad for 32 years and my muscles are just no longer able to hold 
my shoulders in place. Since being a C/4-5 quad my shoulders have always been 
pretty week. Soon after my injury my muscles no longer would hold my shoulder 
blades in the correct place. They almost touch each other and my right shoulder 
hangs much lower than my left one. The PT is going to look for a shoulder 
compression brace. Some days it can hurt so bad I can't hardly move my arm. 
(#%@* Greg 

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder

[wheelchair]

Does ROM help?
 
Best Wishes
 
 
In a message dated 5/3/2014 3:57:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
g...@eskimo.com writes:

After going to my doc  and seeing a PT, they think my shoulder pain is 
mostly from being a quad for  32 years and my muscles are just no longer able 
to 
hold my shoulders in place.  Since being a C/4-5 quad my shoulders have 
always been pretty week. Soon after  my  injury my muscles no longer would hold 
my shoulder blades in the  correct place. They almost touch each other and 
my right shoulder hangs much  lower than my left one. The PT is going to 
look for a shoulder compression  brace. Some days it can hurt so bad I can't 
hardly move my arm. 
(#%@*  Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder

[Bill Lang]

Greg,
I too have sever shoulder pain in both shoulders (25 years post). You're right, 
we use our muscles in ways they shouldn't be used. It causes tendons to fail 
and bone on bone problems.

I was part of a trial in which that injected my platelets spun down from my own 
blood into the shoulder cavity to regenerate the tendon. It worked well but 
after a year the pain returned. A word of caution, the procedure must trick the 
body into forcing white blood cells to the area by mimicking an injury. The Dr. 
actually scraped calcification he saw on the bone, using Ultra scan. Hurt like 
hell.

Now, I have both shoulders injected every 4 months with cortisone and 
Lidocaine. It's covered by medicare and you can have it done three times a 
year, after getting approval. It can give you back some quality of life.

Billy Lang

Sent from my iPad

 On May 3, 2014, at 16:57, greg g...@eskimo.com wrote:
 
 After going to my doc and seeing a PT, they think my shoulder pain is mostly 
 from being a quad for 32 years and my muscles are just no longer able to hold 
 my shoulders in place. Since being a C/4-5 quad my shoulders have always been 
 pretty week. Soon after my  injury my muscles no longer would hold my 
 shoulder blades in the correct place. They almost touch each other and my 
 right shoulder hangs much lower than my left one. The PT is going to look for 
 a shoulder compression brace. Some days it can hurt so bad I can't hardly 
 move my arm.
 (#%@* Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder

[Gmail]

Whenever I lay in bed, I always roll up a bath towel to place under my elbows 
to support my shoulders. It helps quite a bit. Also, when I'm on my side I have 
a small pillow to place my hand, in order to support my shoulder.Bobbie 
41 years post

Smile Everyday

 On May 4, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Bill Lang blan...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Greg,
 I too have sever shoulder pain in both shoulders (25 years post). You're 
 right, we use our muscles in ways they shouldn't be used. It causes tendons 
 to fail and bone on bone problems.
 
 I was part of a trial in which that injected my platelets spun down from my 
 own blood into the shoulder cavity to regenerate the tendon. It worked well 
 but after a year the pain returned. A word of caution, the procedure must 
 trick the body into forcing white blood cells to the area by mimicking an 
 injury. The Dr. actually scraped calcification he saw on the bone, using 
 Ultra scan. Hurt like hell.
 
 Now, I have both shoulders injected every 4 months with cortisone and 
 Lidocaine. It's covered by medicare and you can have it done three times a 
 year, after getting approval. It can give you back some quality of life.
 
 Billy Lang
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On May 3, 2014, at 16:57, greg g...@eskimo.com wrote:
 
 After going to my doc and seeing a PT, they think my shoulder pain is mostly 
 from being a quad for 32 years and my muscles are just no longer able to 
 hold my shoulders in place. Since being a C/4-5 quad my shoulders have 
 always been pretty week. Soon after my  injury my muscles no longer would 
 hold my shoulder blades in the correct place. They almost touch each other 
 and my right shoulder hangs much lower than my left one. The PT is going to 
 look for a shoulder compression brace. Some days it can hurt so bad I can't 
 hardly move my arm.
 (#%@* Greg

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder

[Thomas E. Cusack]

mr dr. told me 'conserve to preserve'  shoulders are all you have
tom



 From: gah17...@aol.com gah17...@aol.com
To: lwillis...@yahoo.com 
Cc: quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 6:35 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] shoulder
 


Larry,
 
How are you doing with the shoulder?
 
Yes, I went through the same and the first time I really had a problem 
driving
was after making a left turn, then not being able to turn the wheel as my 
shoulder locked.
 
I spent a lot of my life in a manual wheelchair (C5-6) and ruined my 
shoulders because
of it. Hindsight is 20/20 and for the life of me, can't understand why 
people stay in a manual chair.
I was always told that it will keep your arms strong, but an electric chair 
not only is easier on the shoulders,
it opened up my world for me.
 
I use the stretchie bands to exercise and in winter the extra insulated 
underwear top and sweat shirt
brings the pain.  It takes about a month for my muscles to strenghten 
and the pain to start to subside.
 
The Dr. said both rotator cups are shot and need surgery, but with little 
heavy lifting above my shoulder
I can't justify it. I also have 2 torn tendons and he said if another one 
goes my arm will be dead.
 

Glenn Henry

G.A.Henry 
Radio
100 Mill Street
Washington Boro, PA 17582 
 
In a message dated 11/29/2013 4:00:54 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
lwillis...@yahoo.com writes:
Here is  my current crisis. My shoulder joints have become so sore I can't 
sleep on  them. Even worse, my right shoulder will lock when I'm trying to turn 
the  steering wheel. Not good, even a little bit. Anybody else have such a 
problem?  I'm getting afraid to drive.
Larry Willis

Sent from my 
iPad

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder pain

[Candle]

A while ago, I started having pain that extended from my left shoulder, up my 
neck, and into my lower left jaw. It would come and go, but seemed to be 
getting more intense. I thought I was developing heart problems and made an 
appointment with my doctor. She did an office exam and scheduled x-rays. I 
would have expected an EKG. She knew what she was doing. It turned out I had 
arthritis starting on my collar bone and shoulder area. 
 
I then saw a specialist. He looked at my x-rays and told me that I had 
arthritis and by the way it was or where it was, he believed it to be related 
to my extra use of my arms because of my SCI. He suggested trying to use my 
cane less and try to use my arms less with the heavy lifting and using my legs 
more. I could not figure out how to use my arms less when getting out of a 
chair or in and out of bed. 
 
I carry my cane in my right hand, but in the house, I don't use the cane. I 
furniture walk or I don't hold onto things. So working in the yard walking 
along the chain link fence without my cane. I use the cane for balance and it 
was more of a security blanket. I just felt safe having it in my hands. I got 
to the point that I was confident enough to walk without my cane. Strangely, 
NOT using the cane in my right hand helped my left shoulder calm down.
 
Now, I try to avoid using my cane. I will use my walker, delux model with a 
seat, if I have to go out or I hold onto my husband if I need to. Otherwise, I 
ony leave the house when I am having a great day.
 
SO after all that, the pain might not be what you think it is. As another 
poster replied that if ibuprofen and heat don't help, then you might want to 
see a doctor.

Candle 
Scars remind of us where we’ve been, they don’t have to dictate where we are 
going. 
~David Rossi of Criminal Minds
***
 


 From: Todd Daugherty todd.daughe...@gmail.com
To: quad list quad-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 8:55 AM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Shoulder pain
  

I am C6 inc functionally and use a manual chair always.  I am transferring 
in/out of a low Honda civic a few times daily, taking chair apart, etc.  I have 
not fallen but recently injured my shoulder somehow.  I have a piercing pain 
behind my shoulder blade that extends into my neck, and down the side of my arm 
to my elbow.  The pain down the side of my arm feels like a pulled tricep or 
deltoid.  I can still do daily activities with some pain, but when it comes to 
putting all my weight on it to transfer (from a low to high place), it is weak, 
painful and sometimes gives out mid-transfer.  Could an ER diagnose something 
like this or should I see a specialist?  It has been staying the same and not 
getting better over 2 weeks, using ibuprofen and heat.  
Thanks,

Todd

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder pain

[wheelchair]

Much depends on the doctors present at anytime one enters an ER.  Some  
have specialty training, while others are just certified in ER Med.
 
A specialist,  Medical Doctor, that specializes in Rehab Medicine  would be 
my first consideration.
Best Wishes

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder pain

[RONALD L PRACHT]

If ibuprophen and heat takes the pain away you are golden. If not you may ave 
somethingmore serious. Its more than likely an impingement and rest , 
ibuprophen 
possibly heat could help. The only thing that will tell the whole story of 
damage is an mri. A ct scan can only tell you if the basic bone structure is 
intact. Im c7 and had a similar situation, I had a ct scan that revealed 
nothing, so i went easy on the shoulder and did a little exercise and after 6 
months it was back to normal. 

ron c7



From: Todd Daugherty todd.daughe...@gmail.com
To: quad list quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, September 20, 2012 8:56:12 AM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Shoulder pain

I am C6 inc functionally and use a manual chair always.  I am transferring 
in/out of a low Honda civic a few times daily, taking chair apart, etc.  I have 
not fallen but recently injured my shoulder somehow.  I have a piercing pain 
behind my shoulder blade that extends into my neck, and down the side of my arm 
to my elbow.  The pain down the side of my arm feels like a pulled tricep or 
deltoid.  I can still do daily activities with some pain, but when it comes to 
putting all my weight on it to transfer (from a low to high place), it is weak, 
painful and sometimes gives out mid-transfer.  Could an ER diagnose something 
like this or should I see a specialist?  It has been staying the same and not 
getting better over 2 weeks, using ibuprofen and heat.  

Thanks,

Todd

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder pain

[Jkrocks]

 

I have some tendentious and arthritis in both of my shoulders but I had 
that before I was injured five years ago. When my shoulders are sore I 
have my caregiver give me a massage with their hands and stick 
therethumbsin the sore spot as hard as possible. This makes me 
want to leap out of the chair but when they are done I'm pain-free. If my 
shoulders feel a little stiff or sore I will also have been used a massager on 
me and that really helps. I have my caregivers do some light to range of 
motion every now and then but I prefer the massages to keep everything 
loose.

I seem to have a lot of the same pain and sensation that several people on 
this list have but I must have a higher pain tolerance than others because the 
sensations and pain only remind me that I am alive. I do have Diazepam 
that my doctor prescribed for me to accent my Baclofen for spasms but I only use 
it to help me sleep every few blue moon's. I request only 50 pills per 
prescription and I usually end up throwing away 30-40 or sometimes more every 
couple of years or when I go to my yearly visit to the doctor, if I remember to 
take them along.

Jim

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder pain

[Liz]

I have bad shoulder pain from clicking the mouse and computer work as well 
as pushing all those years. Ortho diagnosed arthritis. Massage tx. 
was great and really helped. I try not to take drugs for pain.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:01 
  PM
  Subject: [QUAD-L] shoulder pain
  
  Hi,
   In the past 8 months I've been have BAD shoulder pain. I'm 
  going to my rehab doc this Friday to discuss this problem.
   Do you guys have shoulder pain? Right now I'm taking 
  propoxt  methocarbamol for pain, but it is barley touching the pain. 
  
   Bobbie

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder pain

[Quietstream25322]

 My left shoulder has been killing me.what is massage tx 
? 
 
thanks , Dan

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder pain

[MikeyBird3]

In a message dated 11/21/2005 10:05:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
what is 
  massage tx ?

"tx" is shorthand for therapy. 

BillLeesburg, 
FLC-6 Incomplete since 7/20/68AOL/AIM ID: MikeyBird3Stupidity is NOT 
a handicap! Park 
elsewhere!

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder pain

[Quietstream25322]

 Oh, ok Thanks Bill...I thought It might be therapy or a 
cream of some type.
 
Dan

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder pain

[wheelchair]

Often the shoulder blades and collarbone feels like it is broken, long after 
the spine
has healed. I believe that it is due to a nerve harness that comes over the 
shoulders 
and crisscrosses over the chest, down to the diaphragm.  These the muscles 
have a bad habit of spasming causing that pain.  Most anyone in massage 
training 
can work
those muscles.  It takes some time.  Chemicals help, like mint, hot pepper 
rub and some of the store preps along with infra-red heat, to loosen those 
muscles.  Just make sure that they have some idea of what they are doing.  Too 
much 
pressure early
on is not good.  Check out your yellow pages for massage schools in your hood 
and offer to be a subject.  You never know...
Best Wishes
W

In a message dated 11/21/05 9:05:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 My left shoulder has been killing me.what is massage tx  ?  
  
   thanks , Dan 

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder pain

[MikeyBird3]

In a message dated 11/20/2005 7:03:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Do you 
  guys have shoulder pain? Right now I'm taking propoxt  methocarbamol for 
  pain, but it is barley touching the pain. 

I did back in '87. I ended up having surgery for a torn 
rotator cuff. I'm not saying you'll need surgery. I'm glad you're 
having your rehab dod check it out. 

BillLeesburg, 
FLC-6 Incomplete since 7/20/68AOL/AIM ID: MikeyBird3Stupidity is NOT 
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Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder injuries

[David K. Kelmer]

Hi Pat,

What kind of chair do you have? I'm looking at a Pride Quantum® 6000 mid-wheel drive that looks nice. I have an oldQuickie but I need a seat tilt chair. I will need to use the mid-wheel if I go with the Q6, but I'm pretty good with my rear-wheel drive, solearning to use a mid-wheel won't be hard. http://www.pridemobility.com/quantum/PowerBases/MidWheel_6/6000/6000.html
With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In a message dated 10/3/2005 3:14:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Take it from a t-4 para who used a manual for 15 yrs!!!I have tendonitis in shoulders and elbows, carpal tunnel in both hands and not to mention Rheumatoid Arthiritis. I think I've mentioned her before that I could have used a power chair for long distances and it would have saved my hands and shoulders. Transferring can be hard at times. A power chair allows me to do more as I have more energy, less backache too. Now I can get on grass WOW! that alone is wonderful.River
I agree, I am a c6-7 incomplete, and used a manual chair for 28 years! I have same problems. Now I have used power for 7 or 8 years, and it has given me more independence that I ever had using manual.

Pat

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder injuries

[David K. Kelmer]

Hi Pat,

What kind of chair do you have? I'm looking at a Pride Quantum® 6000 mid-wheel drive that looks nice. I have an oldQuickie but I need a seat tilt chair. I will need to use the mid-wheel if I go with the Q6, but I'm pretty good with my rear-wheel drive, solearning to use a mid-wheel won't be hard. http://www.pridemobility.com/quantum/PowerBases/MidWheel_6/6000/6000.html
With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



In a message dated 10/3/2005 3:14:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Take it from a t-4 para who used a manual for 15 yrs!!!I have tendonitis in shoulders and elbows, carpal tunnel in both hands and not to mention Rheumatoid Arthiritis. I think I've mentioned her before that I could have used a power chair for long distances and it would have saved my hands and shoulders. Transferring can be hard at times. A power chair allows me to do more as I have more energy, less backache too. Now I can get on grass WOW! that alone is wonderful.River
I agree, I am a c6-7 incomplete, and used a manual chair for 28 years! I have same problems. Now I have used power for 7 or 8 years, and it has given me more independence that I ever had using manual.

Pat

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder injuries

[Brian Stocker]

David K. Kelmer wrote:

  
  Hi Pat,
  
  What kind of chair do you have? I'm looking at a Pride Quantum 6000 mid-wheel
drive that looks nice. I have an oldQuickie but I need a seat tilt
chair. I will need to use the mid-wheel if I go with the Q6, but I'm
pretty good with my rear-wheel drive, solearning to use a mid-wheel
won't be hard. http://www.pridemobility.com/quantum/PowerBases/MidWheel_6/6000/6000.html
  
  
With Love,
  
CtrlAltDel aka Dave
C4/5 Complete - 29 Years Post
Texas, USA 
  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


In a message dated 10/3/2005 3:14:11 PM Mountain Daylight
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Take it from a t-4 para who used a manual for 15 yrs!!!
  
I have tendonitis in shoulders and elbows, carpal tunnel in both 
hands and not to mention Rheumatoid Arthiritis. I think I've 
mentioned her before that I could have used a power chair for long 
distances and it would have saved my hands and shoulders. 
Transferring can be hard at times. A power chair allows me to do 
more as I have more energy, less backache too. Now I can get on 
grass WOW! that alone is wonderful.
  
River

I agree, I am a c6-7 incomplete, and
used a manual chair for 28 years! I have same problems. Now I have
used power for 7 or 8 years, and it has given me more independence
that I ever had using manual.

Pat
  
  

I have an invacare TDX 5 and I love it. It is s smooth and
reliable. The gearless brushless motor is absolutely silent and will
stay straight even on pitched surface.

I chose power chair early into paralysis because one can do so much
more when freeing up hands from maneuvering the chair and the shoulder
issue became apparent very early as I tried to work out by pushing
fast, hard and long with the manual.

BriBri

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder injuries

[Ol' Man River]

i pushed a manual for 38 years. when my job moved to a big sprawling building, i went power. my fingers and shoulders were starting to show the wear. no problems now unless i try to push a long ways.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


hey all

im writing an essay for school and wondering if you would answerfewquestions:

can or could youpush a manual wheelchair?

do you have a shoulder injury from pushing a manual chair?

has a rehab center, doctor, etc.suggested pushing a manual chair to build arm strength?

thanks guys. all input and suggestions arehelpful.

Luke

Dave - C3, 1967, Phoenix AZ
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Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder injuries

[GHenry1]

Take advise from a 39+ year quad who used a manual chair for 20 years.

USE AN ELECTRIC!

Not only does it wear out your joints, (torn tendon that can't be repaired 
and torn rotator cuff), but an electric chair broadens your world.


Glenn A Henry


G.A.Henry Radio
100 Mill Street
Washington Boro, Pa 17582
1-888-217-8870

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder injuries

[River Wolfe]

Take it from a t-4 para who used a manual for 15 yrs!!!

I have tendonitis in shoulders and elbows, carpal tunnel in both  
hands and not to mention Rheumatoid Arthiritis.  I think I've  
mentioned her before that I could have used a power chair for long  
distances and it would have saved my hands and shoulders.   
Transferring can be hard at times.  A power chair allows me to do  
more as I have more energy, less backache too.  Now I can get on  
grass WOW! that alone is wonderful.


River
On Oct 3, 2005, at 1:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Take advise from a 39+ year quad who used a manual chair for 20 years.

USE AN ELECTRIC!

Not only does it wear out your joints, (torn tendon that can't be  
repaired

and torn rotator cuff), but an electric chair broadens your world.


Glenn A Henry


G.A.Henry Radio
100 Mill Street
Washington Boro, Pa 17582
1-888-217-8870

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder injuries

[Moongazer1]

In a message dated 10/3/2005 3:14:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Take it from a t-4 para who used a manual for 15 yrs!!!I have tendonitis in shoulders and elbows, carpal tunnel in both hands and not to mention Rheumatoid Arthiritis. I think I've mentioned her before that I could have used a power chair for long distances and it would have saved my hands and shoulders. Transferring can be hard at times. A power chair allows me to do more as I have more energy, less backache too. Now I can get on grass WOW! that alone is wonderful.River
I agree, I am a c6-7 incomplete, and used a manual chair for 28 years! I have same problems. Now I have used power for 7 or 8 years, and it has given me more independence that I ever had using manual.

Pat

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder injuries

[Smurfonwheels]

Hi Luke,

Got some answers for you, hope they are of some help to you!

1. Yes, I push a manual chair.
2. I haven't had a shoulder injury due to pushing, although I have 
developed further wrist problems through pushing.
3. I was straight away put in a manual chair as I'm a paraplegic. 
They are very against me using an electric chair or getting someone to push me 
as they feel pushing myself is an excellent form of exercise for me!

Hope that's of some help,

Love Smurf xxx

ps. incase you need it my name is Sarah and Im a T6 paraplegic.

In a message dated 01/10/2005 15:54:59 GMT Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  hey all
  
  im writing an essay for school and wondering if you would 
  answerfewquestions:
  
  can or could youpush a manual wheelchair?
  
  do you have a shoulder injury from pushing a manual chair?
  
  has a rehab center, doctor, etc.suggested pushing a manual chair to 
  build arm strength?
  
  thanks guys. all input and suggestions arehelpful.
  
  Luke
  
  

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder injuries

[Corie Jones]

Hi Luke,I was injured 12 years 
ago at C4-5 and could only move my shoulders at first. Then I slowly got 
more movement back in my arms and insisted I try to push a manual 
wheelchair. Some PT's thought I should give it a try and others didn't 
think it was a good idea. I did not listen and attempted to use a manual 
chair even though I couldn't really get around much. I ended up way 
overusing my shoulders and got tendinitis and bursitis in both my shoulders that 
is still painful today. I wish I would have listened and stuck with my 
power chair from the beginning and just used an arm bike for exercise and to 
keep my shoulders loose.Good luck on your 
essay!CorieRedding, CA

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:53 
  AM
  Subject: [QUAD-L] shoulder injuries
  
  hey all
  
  im writing an essay for school and wondering if you would 
  answerfewquestions:
  
  can or could youpush a manual wheelchair?
  
  do you have a shoulder injury from pushing a manual chair?
  
  has a rehab center, doctor, etc.suggested pushing a manual chair to 
  build arm strength?
  
  thanks guys. all input and suggestions arehelpful.
  
  Luke
  
  

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder injuries

[MikeyBird3]

In a message dated 10/1/2005 10:54:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  can or could youpush a manual wheelchair?
Yes.

  
  do you have a shoulder injury from pushing a manual 
chair?
Yes. Arthritis.

  
  has a rehab center, doctor, etc.suggested pushing a manual chair to 
  build arm strength?

When I was younger, yes. After my shoulder joints began to exhibit 
pain, they recommended a power chair.

Hope this helps. 

BillLeesburg, 
FLC-6 Incomplete since 7/20/68AOL/AIM  Yahoo ID: 
MikeyBird3Stupidity is NOT a handicap! Park 
elsewhere!

Re: [QUAD-L] shoulder injuries

[David K. Kelmer]

Hi Luke,

In '76 the medical rehab thinking was that if a person could push a chair it would help build theirupper body strength. I pushed myself until I had a disarticulation of my right leg in '89, and by then the medical thinking wasthat having a Quad push themselves was just wearing out their shoulders. I went to a power chair in '89 but both my shoulders grind and ache from all the wear I put on them pushing myself in a manualchair. I hope this helps.

With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


hey all

im writing an essay for school and wondering if you would answerfewquestions:

can or could youpush a manual wheelchair?

do you have a shoulder injury from pushing a manual chair?

has a rehab center, doctor, etc.suggested pushing a manual chair to build arm strength?

thanks guys. all input and suggestions arehelpful.

Luke

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder problems

[David K. Kelmer]

Hi Glenn,

Not common for a power chair but it does happen. For me the surgery would be the last option. I prefer a canvas sling.

I'll say a prayer that your decision is the best for you. Stay strong.

With Love,
CtrlAltDel aka DaveC4/5 Complete - 29 Years PostTexas, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A recent MRI shows a torn Rotator cuff as well as a torn tendon.Is this a common thing, and if you had this problem did you choose surgery?Also I have an overhead electric lift. What is the best type of sling to use with it?GA

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder problems

[Silas Shelburne]

Hey Henry,
My shoulders pop and crack something owfull when they range me, scared ill 
have the same trouble.  I use a nylon sling with straps that cross between 
my legs for saftey, had no problems.

Silas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: quad-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 3:57 PM
Subject: [QUAD-L] Shoulder problems



A recent MRI shows a torn Rotator cuff as well as a torn tendon.

Is this a common thing, and if you had this problem did you choose 
surgery?


Also I have an overhead electric lift.  What is the best type of sling to 
use

with it?

GA

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder problems

[Stuntman]

After enduring shoulder pains since my accident for over 8 years and 
being told it was just arthritis, I finally got a doc who knew about 
this common problem in quads. Not all of our shoulder muscles function 
properly, the lack of triceps etc, cause uneven support of all the 
different bones that come together to form the shoulder. Thus the 
shoulder isn't held in proper alignment causing pain similar to it 
being out of place. Other than tendon transfers there is no cure for 
this. That surgery requires 3 mo of careful recuperation and several 
casts to be worn to immobilize the arm at different stages of being 
bent. I opted out being over 50. I don't want to spend up to 6 mo just 
playing with the recuperation and following therapy.
Torn is a different thing, a good doc can perform micro-surgery using a 
small incission instead of opening your shoulder like a fillet of fish.
Good luck in your search for a good shoulder surgeon but get an expert.
If you already have an injury, you should be using a sling big enough 
for your arms to be on the inside eliminating the stress.
Stunt




 Hey Henry,
 My shoulders pop and crack something owfull when they range me, 
scared ill 
 have the same trouble.  I use a nylon sling with straps that cross 
between 
 my legs for saftey, had no problems.
 Silas
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: quad-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 3:57 PM
 Subject: [QUAD-L] Shoulder problems
 
 
 A recent MRI shows a torn Rotator cuff as well as a torn tendon.
 
  Is this a common thing, and if you had this problem did you choose 
  surgery?
 
  Also I have an overhead electric lift.  What is the best type of 
sling to 
  use
  with it?
 
  GA
  
 
 
 

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Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder problems

[DeLiMiTeD4]

I have an over head electric lift too. I hang chains from the sling 
hornsand use the 2 piece hoyer sling seat. If you have a bad shoulder you 
might want a 1 piece sling. 
I avoid surgery at all costs. I don't heal well. I deform. I'm so bent and 
crooked that I can cause small children to cry. My neck was only one thing that 
i broke when I was injured.Left leg is 4 inches shorter than the right Femur was 
shattered with my knee. Right ankle healed badly and is frozen. I'm a C-5 quad 
but I broke my spine at L-1 and T-2. I broke my lil head and that's why I argue 
with stunt so often...lol I'm just kidding, I love you all. I did have fun 
learning to talk and remember things. OK, I don't remember a lot, but I am still 
trying. 29 years post. I get greeted by doctors with "Are you still 
alive?!"

john

Re: [QUAD-L] Shoulder problems

[Stacy Harim]

I'm told that the shoulders are the first to go on people with 
paralysis. Especially paras because of all the pushing. I hope they 
are able to repair you and get you feeling well.

Stacy

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: quad-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 6:57 
  PM
  Subject: [QUAD-L] Shoulder problems
  A recent MRI shows a torn Rotator cuff as well as a torn 
  tendon.Is this a common thing, and if you had this problem did you 
  choose surgery?Also I have an overhead electric lift. What is 
  the best type of sling to use with 
it?GA