[RBW] Re: New Bike Syndrome

[drew]

I just finished the 6th month wait for my new Atlantis. In that purgatory 
time,

-I pulled everything off of a donor bike and assessed what i was going to 
keep and what I wanted to get new or different versions of. 
-cleaned it all.
-sold the stuff that i wasn't going to use on the new frame.
-researched and bought new components
-researched and bought new components
-researched and bought new components
-researched and bought new components
-researched and bought new components
-researched and bought new really unnecessary components
 
and then the frame showed up!

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[RBW] Re: Matt from Crust - PLP Talks

[drew]

I agree. This is a really good counterpoint to the sceney, super hip stuff on 
instagram. It’s nice to hear him talk and just be a down to earth normal guy. 
I’ve been liking what he’s making, but also have been a little dubious about 
supporting what seemed sorta like an inside joke that I wasn’t in on. I’m much 
more likely to be a customer now. 

As a side note, I really appreciate that riv has built a idiosyncratic brand 
without ever feeling like they are trying or especially not trying to be cool. 
It makes things feel more inclusive. 

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[RBW] Rear supports- marks, erlen etc

[drew]

I’m attempting to have my Atlantis in always ready tour mode and yet not be 
over equipped for daily normal riding. So far this consists of a 3 bar pass and 
stow rack with a medium basket. Daily, just the basket gets used but panniers 
go on for overnights. 
I’d like to add something to the back to support a 10-20ish lb load in a medium 
saddle sack without adding a full rear rack, since I won’t use a saddlebag most 
of the time. 
What are people liking for a rear support? I like the minimalism of the ocean 
air erlen, but wonder about the saddle interface and noodliness. I have a spare 
marks rack that I’m thinking about using on the back too. Any other options I 
should be looking at?
Also, how does one assess a weight limit for a rear support when a lot of the 
weight is being carried by the saddle itself?

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[RBW] Re: frame bags on your Riv: anybody tried 'em?

[drew]

I use a half wedge frame bag from roadrunner bags that doesnt monopolize 
too much space. i keep a water bladder/straw in it that is the same size as 
a nalgene. that way i can get to the water easier while riding and can use 
a water bottle for keeping food/alcohol in. 

https://roadrunnerbags.us/collections/bike-packing/products/wedge


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[RBW] Re: Long pull levers slipping around

[drew]

Now I’m feeling like my tektros aren’t gonna be a long term solution. 
Anyone have any experience with a travel agent? Specifically their quality 
compared to actual v levers and long term durability/maintenance

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[RBW] Long pull levers slipping around

[drew]

I have motolites with portolas and the tektro levers. I haven’t had any 
slipping, as far as I can tell. 
One thing I did notice is that the clamp bolt is way back in there and unless 
you have a super long Allen wrench, it’s hard to get any torque to really 
tighten it down. I think I used a mini cheater bar to extend the the short side 
of the Allen wrench a couple of inches. 

If it’s not that, You could always take a clamp off of a lever you like and use 
that in the tektro instead of the  clamp it came withassuming the bolt 
threading is the same. 

And finally, I think cane creek is tektro rebranded. There is a dia-compe long 
pull aero model out there, I believe. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.

[drew]

Cockpit is sold

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[RBW] Re: FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.

[drew]

Final bump. Make me an offer. Gotta make room.

HT albastache bars/ 8cm nitto dirt drop stem/ TRP RRL brake levers/ Shimano 
ultegra bar end shifters- all around very very good condition. newbaums wrapped 
and shellacked with gray jagwire housing. small cut in one of the hoods. 200$ 
shipped.  

-Brooks honey B17- i engraved my name in the back and then sanded it off. see 
photos. otherwise very good condition. 60$ shipped

-WTB 29x2.1 Nano tire set-maybe 50 miles on them, essentially new- 45$ shipped

-tektro cr720 cantilever brakes for one wheel-15$ shipped

-Vintage Shimano BR MC70 cantilever brakes for 1 wheel- good condition. these 
are good for conversions on older canti frames- 15$ shipped

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[RBW] Re: Obenauf's on shoes?

[drew]

Yep. Way better than mink oil. 

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Drew Henson]

Thanks for the input everyone,. I am in the Seattle area, and my goals this 
year are to do more gravel riding and to complete the Seattle to Portland 
ride.  My primary use, however, is a 9 mile commute (with some decent 
climbs in parts) with the previously mentioned 10-15 lbs.  I'm really 
looking for a bike to tackle the commute but also be able to handle the 
Seattle to Portland ride (another bike will be my gravel bike). Seems like 
the AHH is probably the best Riv to handle that I just wanted some opinions 
over the difference over the LHT.  With the LHT i definitely notice the 
weight on my commute and I want something snappier.

On Friday, December 29, 2017 at 3:05:29 PM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> Hi Drew,
>
> I don't have time to read through all the responses but I have had a AHH 
> and now have a LHT. Yes there is a difference. The AHH will be a snappier 
> than the LHT. I always do things backwards :) What I like about the LHT is 
> the 1 1/8 threadless stem. If I ever do a long loaded tour then I have a 
> bike that costs much less so less money hanging in the garage. My brother 
> owned a Sam and it's nice. Not as snappy as a AHH but a great bike 
> nonetheless. Maybe consider one of the other bikes Riv is making now. 
> Anyway enjoy the process.
>
> ~hugh
>
> On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 10:36:07 PM UTC-8, Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>> Are there any surly LHT owners that also have an A Homer Hilsen? I'm 
>> curious how the ride really differs, in practical terms.  I currently own 
>> an LHT and it's been a great bike, but it's "too much" bike for me.  I'm 
>> looking for something that would be snappier than the LHT but still able to 
>> carry a 10-15 lb commuting load.  I've liked to looks of an AHH for a long 
>> time but am concerned that I'd be trading one heavy steel bike for another, 
>> without much difference in the ride when it comes down to it. 
>>
>> Then there's the AHH vs Sam Hilborne debate I guess, which Rivendell 
>> brought up themselves when I emailed asking about AHH availability..  So if 
>> you've owned a Sam and an LHT I'd be interested in your experience as well.
>>
>> I've browsed this use group a bunch but this is my first post, so thanks 
>> in advance for any info! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[drew]

Ok Hugh, 
Not to hijack, but I’m curious. You had that Atlantis and took it on some great 
trips, and now you have a LHT, so you seem like the perfect person to compare 
the two. Thoughts?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.

[drew]

BM light is sold

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[RBW] A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

[Drew Henson]

Are there any surly LHT owners that also have an A Homer Hilsen? I'm 
curious how the ride really differs, in practical terms.  I currently own 
an LHT and it's been a great bike, but it's "too much" bike for me.  I'm 
looking for something that would be snappier than the LHT but still able to 
carry a 10-15 lb commuting load.  I've liked to looks of an AHH for a long 
time but am concerned that I'd be trading one heavy steel bike for another, 
without much difference in the ride when it comes down to it. 

Then there's the AHH vs Sam Hilborne debate I guess, which Rivendell 
brought up themselves when I emailed asking about AHH availability..  So if 
you've owned a Sam and an LHT I'd be interested in your experience as well.

I've browsed this use group a bunch but this is my first post, so thanks in 
advance for any info! 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.

[drew]

Bump and price reductions. I THINK they are super reasonable considering they 
include shipping. Discounts still apply to multiples. 

-Clever Cycles Tire Levers/Chain quick link tool- really cool levers that link 
together to make a chain quick link remover. the company only sells these in 
sets of three, im offering one set here so you dont have to drop 45$- 15$ 
shipped
 
-HT albastache bars/ 8cm nitto dirt drop stem/ TRP RRL brake levers/ Shimano 
ultegra bar end shifters- all around very very good condition. newbaums wrapped 
and shellacked with gray jagwire housing. small cut in one of the hoods. 200$ 
shipped.  

-Brooks honey B17- i engraved my name in the back and then sanded it off. see 
photos. otherwise very good condition. 65$ shipped
-WTB 29x2.1 Nano tires- maybe 50 miles on them, essentially new- 45$ shipped

-B+M Eyc t senso plus dynamo light- a few months old.- 40$ shipped

-tektro cr720 cantilever brakes for one wheel-15$ shipped

-Vintage Shimano BR MC70 cantilever brakes for 1 wheel- good condition. these 
are good for conversions on older canti frames- 15$ shipped
-700c x 28-32mm tube. free with purchase over 15$ 

-wtb nano tire set. 29x2.1 newish- 45$ shipped. 

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[RBW] Bullnose bars for long gravel rides?

[drew]

It depends on the version. Vintage ones are not great for me. Hard to get high, 
and very flat/straight. New riv ones are much improved and maybe the best 
looking bar ever. That said, I think a map/ahearne style bar offers a similar 
yet better set of positions, and a more customizable fit. 

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[RBW] Re: Fenderless Sam: Snoqualmie or Barlow Pass?

[drew]

Don't know about brakes, but 44 on a 18-19 rim shouldn't be an issue. I had 
50mm marathons on dyads (I think they are 19mm internal) on a Sam and there was 
nothing close to an issue that came up. This was with Paul racers. I'd bet the 
559's clear 44mm just fine. 

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[RBW] Re: Banana Sax Pics?

[drew]

I've had all three. Size would go XS, banana, S. sackville small isn't exactly 
small, and the shape of it really utilizes space. I used to regularly get 2 
takeout boxes in mine without hassle or jostling of the food. The banana is 
smaller for sure, but the way space is used almost makes it not comparable to 
the sackville small. It's a really useful bag but more for riding essentials 
like Lock/jacket/tools and doesn't feel as saddlebaggy. XS is too small for my 
liking. Couldn't fit much more than a tube and a few tools. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.

[drew]

Updated list and new deal. 5% off everything. 10% off total if you buy 2 
things. 20% if you buy 3

-Clever Cycles Tire Levers/Chain quick link tool- really cool levers that 
link together to make a chain quick link remover. the company only sells 
these in sets of three, im offering one set here so you dont have to drop 
45$- 15$ shipped
 
-HT albastache bars/ 8cm nitto dirt drop stem/ TRP RRL brake levers/ 
Shimano ultegra bar end shifters- all around very very good condition. 
newbaums wrapped and shellacked with gray jagwire housing. small cut in one 
of the hoods. 220$ shipped.  

-Brooks honey B17- i engraved my name in the back and then sanded it off. 
see photos. otherwise very good condition. 65$ shipped

-WTB 29x2.1 Nano tires- maybe 50 miles on them, essentially new- 50$ shipped

-B+M Eyc t senso plus dynamo light- a few months old. no front weird 
reflector thing- 45$ shipped

-Zefal XPX3 frame pump- black. some scuffs here and there -20$ shipped

-tektro cr720 cantilever brakes for one wheel-15$ shipped

-Vintage Shimano BR MC70 cantilever brakes for 1 wheel- good condition. 
these are good for conversions on older canti frames- 15$ shipped
-700c x 28-32mm tube. free with purchase over 20$ 

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[RBW] Re: Big cassettes/Do I need a wolftooth roadlink or similar

[drew]

ah, i didnt realize it wouldn't need chain and cable lengthening. 

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[RBW] Re: Real ride comparison: Joe Appaloosa vs Sam Hillborne vs Roadini?

[drew]

I had a hunqapillar, then I got a Sam hillborne with the intention of doing 
what you describe. 1 tourish and one fastish. Long story short, Sam never felt 
much faster than the hunq. It probably was, marginally, but it never felt 
sprightly. I sold the Sam first.

All that said, in my experience, a hillborne is about as close to a do-anything 
bike as I've ever ridden. It is equally a road bike as it is a dirt road 
tourerbut if you have a dirt road tourer, why buy something else that is 
half overlapping?

I only have an Atlantis now. If I was to get a second bike, and it was going to 
be a riv, I'd get the roadini.

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[RBW] FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.

[drew]

Updates on what's left


-HT albastache bars/ 8cm nitto dirt drop stem/ TRP RRL brake levers/ Shimano 
ultegra bar end shifters- all around very very good condition. newbaums wrapped 
and shellacked with gray jagwire housing. small cut in one of the hoods. 220$ 
shipped.  

-Brooks honey B17- i engraved my name in the back and then sanded it off. see 
photos. otherwise very good condition. 65$ shipped

-Sugino XD triple crank 170mm arms- very good condition- 65$ shipped

-WTB 29x2.1 Nano tires- maybe 50 miles on them, essentially new- 50$ shipped

-B+M Eyc t senso plus dynamo light- a few months old. no front weird reflector 
thing- 45$ shipped

-Zefal XPX3 frame pump- black. some scuffs here and there -20$ shipped

-tektro cr720 cantilever brakes for one wheel-15$ shipped

-Vintage Shimano BR MC70 cantilever brakes for 1 wheel- good condition. these 
are good for conversions on older canti frames- 15$ shipped

-700c x 28-32mm tube. free with purchase over 20$






  




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[RBW] Re: Big cassettes/Do I need a wolftooth roadlink or similar

[drew]

Interesting all around. I'm trying to save myself having to set it up and then 
order a roadlink, wait for delivery and re set up. I'm just excited to ride 
this bike and not wanting to wait. 
Anyway, I just ordered the wolftooth since it sounds like in the least, it 
won't hurt.

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[RBW] Big cassettes/Do I need a wolftooth roadlink or similar

[drew]

Ok, here are the ordered parts:
pairing a 9 speed 11-40t cassette with a riv silver double crank and an xt long 
cage derailleur. 

Should I be using a roadlink sort of device? Is this knowable without trying 
first? If I do try, what should I be looking for to tell me if I'm good or if I 
need a roadlink?

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[RBW] FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.

[drew]

Lambda/grip kings are gone. 

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[RBW] FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.

[drew]

more purging. all prices include shipping, but not by christmas. 

*-Clever Cycles Tire Levers/Chain quick link too*l- really cool levers that 
link together to make a chain quick link remover. the company only sells 
these in sets of three, so im offering one set here- 15$ shipped

*-HT albastache bars/ 8cm nitto dirt drop stem/ TRP RRL brake levers/ 
Shimano ultegra bar end shifters-* all around very very good condition. 
newbaums wrapped

and shellacked with gray jagwire housing. small cut in one of the hoods. 
220$ shipped.  

*-Brooks honey B17-* i engraved my name in the back and then sanded it off. 
see photos. otherwise very good condition. 65$ shipped

*-Nitto Crystal Fellow Seatpost* 27.2 300mm long- insertion scuffs on the 
lower half. 50$ shipped

*-Sugino XD triple crank* 170mm arms- very good condition- 65$ shipped

*-MKS lambda grip king pedals*- 25$ shipped

*-WTB 29x2.1 Nano tires-* maybe 50 miles on them, essentially new- 50$ 
shipped

*-B+M Eyc t senso plus dynamo light*- a few months old. no front weird 
reflector thing- 45$ shipped

*-Zefal XPX3 frame pump*- black. some scuffs here and there -20$ shipped

*-Tektro CR720 cantilever brakes for 1 wheel*. matte silver. good 
condition. semi new pads, shimano straddle.- 15$ shipped

*-Vintage Shimano BR MC70 cantilever brakes for 1 wheel*- good condition. 
these are good for conversions on older canti frames- 15$ shipped

*-Three 700c x35-43mm tubes*- unused- 10$ shipped

*-XT qr skewers-* 10$ shipped or free if you spend over 40$

*-700c x 28-32mm tube.* free with purchase over 20$





 

  

 

  






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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

[drew]

Wheelset is sold

Xd2 crankset and 2.1 nano tires are all that's left. more on the way. 

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[RBW] Re: New Greenlantis/ seatpost size?/ crazy pack job

[drew]

Yes, correct. 
It has a seat stay cross bar thing with fender mounts. there is no need for 
an actual brake bridge, because either canti's or v's dont need that. 
Atlanti used to have a curved brake cable stop that went across the 
stays (which i think is what eric was referring to)  and a bridge for 
mounting fenders. now they just have the bridge. 

>
I asked about the cable stop when i ordered, because i specifically didn't 
want it and was told that it is not standard anymore. i'd imagine that you 
could add it as a braze on. 

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[RBW] Re: New Greenlantis/ seatpost size?/ crazy pack job

[drew]

Verified with Riv that all cantilever models are now 28.6.  They don't put 
rear brake bridges on anymore because enough people are using V-brakes, 
which is what i'll be doing. 

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[RBW] Re: New Greenlantis/ seatpost size?/ crazy pack job

[drew]

Interesting. I'll give them a call tomorrow. What's behind a move to 28.6?

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[RBW] Re: FS-1983/4 Specialized Expedition 58cm. New everything. Compass, nitto, dynamo, etc.

[drew]

Sold 

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[RBW] Re: FS-1983/4 Specialized Expedition 58cm. New everything. Compass, nitto, dynamo, etc.

[drew]

thanks and yes I agree it's an awesome bike. Borderline perfect all rounder... 
also still available.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

[drew]

They are true. Maybe 600 miles on rear, 400 on front, give or take. I've never 
really known how to evaluate braking surface, but I can send you photos if you 
pm me. 

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[RBW] FS-1983/4 Specialized Expedition 58cm. New everything. Compass, nitto, dynamo, etc.

[drew]

Another thing to sell that i'll regret pretty soon.  Life changes have led 
to the need to unload bikes. I purchased this recently and basically put 
all new parts on it, thinking it would be my everyday bike. It has sat 
mostly on a trainer since. I just got word that my Atantis frame has 
arrived at Riv, so this has to go.  For size reference, i am about 5'10 
with an 85pbh and its comfortable, but on the large end for me. 

*1983/84 Specialized expedition. 58cm frame.*

-Front wheel-sp pv8-sun rhynolite 36h 700c 
-Rear-shimano hub-sun cr18 36h 700c
-Compass Barlow pass 700x38 
-Shimano 8sp cassette
-Deore rd
-Altus fd
-Sugino xd2 triple 172.5
-Nitto technomic stem 10ish cm
-Nitto noodle bars 46-48cm with shellacked newbaums
-Riv Silver bar end shifters/pods
-Tektro aero levers
-Vintage shimano cantis on front, tektros on rear.
-New chain, new shimano BB, new jagwire housing, new cables

Brooks saddle and vp pedals, not included. i do have other pedals that i 
can put on for free. All parts were purchased in 2017 and are in excellent 
condition. The compass tires were purchased lightly used and probably have 
65% of their life left. 

Frame has all sorts of cool braze-ons. Front, midfork and rear rack mounts. 
Fender mounts. Above bb cable guides. Mounts for 3 bottles. Paint is in 
pretty good shape for being 30+years old. Some scratches here and there. no 
dents, dings, gouges etc. Very light surface rust on some of the scratches. 
i tried to capture this in the photo of the top tube. Decals are in 
excellent shape. Interior was clean and treated with frame saver. One of 
the rear/upper rack mounts is getting kinda stripped, so it should be 
re-tapped if you intend to use it. Max tire size is 38mm. you could 
probably go 42 in the rear without fenders. the fork is the tight spot. 
Cleaned, lubed and kept indoors. Bike is 100% good to go. 

*700$ local pickup/delivery in Southern California, and preference given to 
not having to ship. 750$ plus packing and shipping fees. *

I'll include a newish B+M Eyc T senso plus dyno light and the Brooks saddle 
for an additional 100$ (the brooks has my name engraved in the back edge. i 
can leave it, or sand it off). 


 

 

 


 

 

 


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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

[drew]

Bumping. need to move this stuff along. if you are in los angeles and want 
the wheels, subtract 50$

*Velocity dyad/XT hub /shimano 9sp cassette 700c, 36h wheelset- *225$ 
shipped

*Sugino xd2 triple. 170mm arms. Very good condition *-70$ shipped 

*WTB nano 29x2.1 tire set. only 50ish miles on them.* 45$ shipped

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Choices

[drew]

I agree that grip kings are really not grippy at all.  I second those wellgo 
magnesiums. They're cheap and you can get them in silver and they are as grippy 
as the vp's

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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

[drew]

here is whats left

*Velocity dyad/XT hub /shimano 9sp cassette 700c, 36h wheelset- *225$ 
shipped

*Sugino xd2 triple. 170mm arms. Very good condition *-70$ shipped 

*WTB nano 29x2.1 tire set. only 50ish miles on them.* 50$ shipped

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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

[drew]

Bump and price reductions also adding wtb nanos

*Velocity dyad/XT hub /shimano 9sp cassette 700c, 36h wheelset- *225$ 
shipped

*Sugino xd2 triple. 170mm arms. Very good condition *-70$ shipped 

*Schwalbe marathon supreme 700x50 tire set. A little dirty but not used 
much-45*$ shipped

*Soma cazadero 650b tire set. Bought off list for a project that never 
happened.* 45$ shipped

*WTB nano 29x2.1 tire set. only 50ish miles on them.* 50$ shipped

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[RBW] Re: Univega

[drew]

i think it depends on your intent. it probably wont appreciate much in 
value, or be worth putting too much work into it. But if its just for 
getting around, 90$ is hard to beat. Univega had some nice mixtes with the 
single top tube that splits to two at the chainstays. I think that style 
looks better and is more structurally solid. id be inclined to find one of 
those if i was looking for a mixte. 

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[RBW] FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

[drew]

Dyno wheel is sold

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[RBW] FS: 700c Wheelset and Dyno, Sugino crank, Schwalbe, Cazadero

[drew]

*Velocity dyad/XT hub /shimano 9sp cassette 700c, 36h wheelset- *250$ 
shipped

*SP Dynamo/ velocity atlas front wheel. Built by rich lesnik.* 36h-220$ 
shipped

  OR

*All 3 wheels, cassette, WTB nano tires*-425$ shipped. 

*Sugino xd2 triple. 170mm arms. Very good condition *-80$ shipped 

*Schwalbe marathon supreme 700x50 tire set. A little dirty but not used 
much-5*0$ shipped

*Soma cazadero 650b tire set. Bought off list for a project that never 
happened.* 50$ shipped



 

 

 



 

 


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[RBW] Re: Supple tires and rim fit trouble

[drew]

Barlow pass tires were my first foray into the world of supple. Mounted them on 
sun cr18 and they were by far the hardest tires I've ever mounted. Didn't take 
30 minutes, and I'm not afraid to ride the bike, but I did note how difficult 
they were. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunq with rack and v brakes?

[drew]

Had a 29er hunq with Paul motolites and a pass/stow rack that attaches to the 
fork crown hole. I was worried about issues but it had a couple cm of 
clearance. 
In my opinion, the motolites are such a better stopping brake that it would be 
worth using a different rack. 

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo Hubs

[drew]

Sinewave beacon. Expensive, but the only real light/charger that I'm aware of.

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Re: [RBW] 650b Atlantis Pic on the BLUG

[drew]

This is exciting. I have a 650b Atlantis on order. My semi secret plan (I'm 
aware it's somewhat apocryphal) was to get a disc fork made for it down the 
line and keep v's or canti's in the rear. I'd Keep the og fork as is in case 
the change is dumb. Right now that seems about as close to dream bike as I can 
get.

I've been hesitant to consider frame modifications on the Atlantis that I don't 
even have yet, but I'd love to see pics of the disclantis. Might push me over 
the edge.  

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[RBW] Re: On downsizing (and the 1 bike, and 650b)

[drew]

Sam was sold and the Hunq is going to get packed up and shipped out this 
week.  My bike right now is an 84 specialized expedition, but i have a 650b 
atlantis (in hunq green on order) and ill sell the expedition once it 
comes. Then i'll be down to one bike, other than one that lives in another 
city. gonna see if i can keep it that way for a while. 
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[RBW] FS: 54cm Hunqapillar

[drew]

Frame has been sold.
Feel free to inquire about wheelsets or components. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Hunqapillar

[drew]

Aaand saddle height in the photos is 75cm. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 54cm Hunqapillar

[drew]

nd saddle height in the photos is 75cm

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[RBW] FS: 54cm Hunqapillar

[drew]

i got a lot of inquiries from the teaser hunq post, so i figure ill just 
post this in hopes of answering more questions ahead of time. 

54cm (fits like a 56-57cm) 700c/29er great condition. Circa 2015. I am the 
original owner. Used primarily for a couple long tours and some overnight 
stuff. never a daily rider. always kept inside except on tour. low miles, 
framesavered and generally babied. Was/is my nice bike. 

No dents or dings or rust. a couple of very small paint chips that have 
been touched up with matching paint from waterford. a couple of shellack 
drips here and there. 

Willing to sell in a few ways.

*Option 1:* frame, fork, fsa headset, phil wood BB (has a couple hundred 
miles on it)- 1500$ plus shipping

*Option 2:*  frame, fork, fsa headset, phil wood BB, sugino xd crank, 
xt/velocity dyad wheelset, Shimano 9spd cassette, WTB nanos-1800$ plus 
shipping

*Option 3:*  frame, fork, fsa headset, phil wood BB, sugino xd crank, XT 
front derailler, XT/velocity dyad wheelset, SP/velocity atlas dyno wheel, 
Schwalbe marathon supreme 50mm tire set, WTB nano 2.1 tire set, SKS silver 
fenders with sackville fender flaps-2100$ plus shipping

*Option 4: *pick your parts and we will talk over a price

(saddle/seatpost/brakes/cockpit/pedals/rear der/rack/light. not included. i 
need them for the next thing.) 


Im in los angeles and would favor a local sale over having to ship, but i 
will ship if you are ok paying packing and shipping costs. also, if you are 
close, feel free to come ride it. 

If youre wondering about how this fits in with the newer 650b hunqs, i 
don't really know. i think there are only a few of those out in the world 
since riv cut off waterford orders. this geo chart may give you some clues 
though. 




 

 

 

 









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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Campee lowrider rear rack, Shimano cassette.... Hunqapillar

[drew]

Rack and cassette are sold. 

full hunq posting to come. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Campee lowrider rear rack, Shimano cassette.... Hunqapillar

[drew]

Cassette is spoken for. 

rack and frame still around.

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Campee lowrider rear rack, Shimano cassette.... Hunqapillar

[drew]

Nitto Campee 33r (i think) rear rack. 700c version with removable 
lowriders- probably will want new struts. i bent one to get around a v 
brake noodle. very good condition. 165$ shipped

Shimano hg400 9 speed cassette 12-36t- New- 20$ shipped

Also gearing up to sell my 2015 54cm 700c green hunqapillar in excellent 
condition. Thinking 1500$ for frame/fork/hs/phil bb + shipping. i have 
wheelsets/tires/cranksets that could be included for additional. Ill do a 
separate post with this a full rundown after thanksgiving, but if you want 
in on the ground floor now, let me know. 



 

 

 



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[RBW] Re: New bag design by DirtDance.

[drew]

This is really cool Clayton. Your makeriness is admirable. I've been watching 
the progression of these and all the cam lock things you've been designing. 
Goes way beyond just sewing a bag together.

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[drew]

We have one of each. I have a hunq, my wife has a Clem. 
Tt and chainstays do make them feel quite different. If you were planning on 
setting up the hunqapillar as a fully upright bike and using it for casual 
riding, I think they'd be pretty similar. I have drops on the hunqapillar and 
it feels like you can dig in and go pretty fast when you need to. The Clem 
sorta resists that temptation. 
When I got the hunq, I thought "wow this is like a Cadillac". Eats up bumps and 
rides super smooth, but isn't very spritely.  Then we got the Clem and the hunq 
feels like a road bike in comparison. 
Both are excellent bikes. Especially for hauling stuff around. I actually think 
the hunq is more fun with a load. In terms of stoutness, they feel very 
similar. The Clem may be a little burlier even, but I can't imagine anyone 
wanting a tougher bike than either of these. 
My wife, who is not a strong biker, rode the Clem on a mile or so of some 
accidental easy single track and loved it. It was her first semi MTB experience 
and she was very impressed with how the Clem helped her do what she was 
initially sort of afraid to. That ride really could've ended in a big fight, 
some serious blame and deep skepticism about trusting my sense of direction on 
future rides. I'm very grateful Clem made it a positive experience. 

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[RBW] Re: Winterizing Ideas?

[drew]

Oh yeah. Somehow that slipped thru my logic.

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[RBW] Re: Winterizing Ideas?

[drew]

Late to this and not familiar with any snow riding. If you're willing to have 
the canti bosses moved from 700c to 650b, have you thought at all about adding 
disc brake mounts instead. That way you could, presumably use both wheel sizes 
and have year round good braking. Again, I've only heard that discs are better 
in winter, I have no experience with them.

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[RBW] A question about frame bags

[drew]

I've gone thru a few, never really utilizing them very well. My most successful 
usage has been putting a water bladder inside and being able to drink from the 
straw, which is surprisingly revelatory while riding. This is mostly done for 
camping so that I can put alcohol in one of the bottles. 

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[RBW] Re: Found Stolen Riv in LA - Help me find the owner!

[drew]

Really cool. Good job. I see a guy riding around a similar era riv road in 
Glendale, but his is a considerably darker blue. Where in central LA? I wonder 
if there are local bike shops in that area that may know the owner. 
I suppose the other question is what kind of proof of ownership would be 
adequate. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Hunqapillar

[drew]

i don't know if I'd pay much for it, But man, it is cool to see a rivendell 
ridden this hard

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Hunqapillar

[drew]

I've had a big front rack, a campee rack with the detachable lowriders and 
now a pass/stow 3 bar rack on my 54cm hunqapillar. all worked well and the 
setup was fairly easy. the big front uses p-clamps, but you can get around 
that with some really short struts and a little bending. 

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[RBW] I think I have the 98th Atlantis. Does anyone remember what was cool?

[drew]

Cool. I have 37 or 47 or something in that range. It lives out of state, so I 
can't double check. Mine has passed through many hands of people on this list, 
but still rides perfectly.

The number 2 is on all atlanti as a reference to the Bridgestone Atlantis, I 
believe. 

I did some reading when I got it. The chainstays are different. Slight s 
curves, not straight. There was something about toyo being able to bend the 
stays and also make them stronger. I can't remember what the tubing is. Kasei 
maybe?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst ever say why he didn't wear helmet?

[drew]

Look at us behaving ourselves and not losing our minds because the word 
"helmet" was said. I don't want to jinx it, but I think we may be maturing. 

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[RBW] Re: Surprised that proto rosco is still available

[drew]

I think 45mm is a conservative number. When I had a Sam it did 50mm easily, and 
that was with center pull brakes not cantis.
great deal. I am waiting on a riv frame already, otherwise

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[RBW] Re: Floor Stand Recommendation for Clem.

[drew]

I use one like this. Fit a 2.5 tire fine. I think I found them for a lot less $ 
than this link has.

http://www.bikewagon.com/willworx-display-stand-super-stand-2-pi?CAWELAID=4635067313=pla=20966736636=pla-132683352996=4635424584=m=EAIaIQobChMImp3i_vXQ1gIV03J-Ch0pBww2EAQYCCABEgKjVPD_BwE

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[RBW] Re: OT: know anything about motorcycles?

[drew]

Thanks everyone. I'm researching all of these as I make my way through the 
posts. I suppose that I may have over stressed "off-road". While It certainly 
needs to be capable on poorly maintained dirt roads. I also, almost more 
importantly, need it to be able to get to 70mph or so on the highway. It's 
probably a 60% paved highways, 30% dirt roads for cars, 10% washed out roads 
that are no longer in service. Nothing technical though. 

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[drew]

That's perfect.

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Re: [RBW] OT: know anything about motorcycles?

[drew]

Off road means dirt and gravel roads mostly. Some of the roads haven't been 
graded in a decade or so and are more trail like than road like but those 
aren't the norm. 

This is great, keep them coming 

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[RBW] OT: know anything about motorcycles?

[drew]

So a while back, i bought some property in the mountains and it came with 2 
dirt bikes. They aren't street legal, or attractive, or very high end. 
We've spent the last year semi renovating the cabin, clearing the land of 
years of brush pile up, but we've finally gotten to the point where we are 
starting to try to go through some of the stuff in the garage. I have no 
use for 2 non street worthy, ugly yamahas, but after a little research, it 
looks like i can get about 3500$ for the pair. 

after thinking about it, i think a (single) motorcycle would be useful and 
fun to have up there. im trying to figure out what that type of thing would 
be and, since ive never had any interest in motorcycles, the internet info 
is overwhelming. i know some of you guys ride all types of bikes, so im 
hoping to get some direction. 

here is what i'm thinking
-3500$ or less
-good on roads and dirt roads. not interested in jumps or anything crazy, 
but it will have to be able to go off pavement comfortably
-reliable/durable/parts easily found and cheap. 
-rivish... weird to say, but if anyone, you'll know what i mean. uniquely 
pretty, versatile, not overly mechanically complex, able to carry a small 
load and do more than one thing well

So far i've been looking at late 70's/early 80's off road yamahas and 
hondas. 

Anyone have any online resources, makes/models/years that would work, 
thoughts, ideas etc. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki.

[drew]

Ha! 
If it comes to that, I'll thank you from preventing me from spending more money 
and saving my marriage.

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[RBW] Re: Saluki.

[drew]

I agree. There is something way more pleasing about the saluki over the hilsen 
for me. I know this is irrational. If a 56 saluki popped up, I'd be hard 
pressed not to jump on it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Need Advice On Lighting System

[drew]

First,
I made the change to dynamo lighting a couple of years ago and it has been a 
complete game changer. I think you'll love it. 
I now have 2 sp hubbed wheels and love them. Never tried the Schmidt, but I 
can't imagine a wild advantage. 
And finally, I'd put in a plug for the sinewave beacon. It's expensive, but if 
you ever think you'll want to charge devices, you'll pay more for a separate 
light and charger and it won't work as well. So far mine has been excellent and 
handsome.
I have that on my expensive touring bike and I have the lumotec eyec t senso on 
my anytime bike. The senso is tiny, kinda cheap and also really great. 

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Railroad shirt

[drew]

Hi Steve, I sent you a pm. Couldn't get your email Link to work.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell custom by Mark Nobilette, size 58.5cm. $2000

[drew]

Agree. Little too big for me, but would be hard to resist if it were a 56. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Lead Times ~ Why 8-9 Months?

[drew]

It's the tubing issue. I have an Atlantis on order. Everyone at rivendell and 
waterford has been really upfront about the wait due to finding a replacement 
for the true temper they were using. I actually don't know what tubing they 
landed on, but my understanding is that they are back up and running. I ordered 
mine in July and I don't anticipate it arriving before christmas. 

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[RBW] Longshot crank trade proposal

[drew]

Interesting. Hadn't even thought about that. I'll give them a call. 

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[RBW] Longshot crank trade proposal

[drew]

I have a new riv silver triple crank still in the box. I have decided that I'd 
actually like the double. Rather than pay the 70ish dollars to buy a 40t 
chainring and bash guard, I'm wondering if anyone has made the opposite error 
and wants to trade a newish silver double for my triple.

Mine is 170. I'd be interested in 170-172

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Devold boxer briefs?

[drew]

I like everything about wool underwear, except the price and durability. 
odor resistance is almost essential when im traveling for a few days on or 
off bike.  when i was looking for some wool boxer briefs, i stumbled on 
some hunting community site and found that they are into wool also, but 
they mix in a healthier amount of other fibers that last longer and cost 
less. i cant remember the names of the brands off the top of my head, but i 
bought a few and one brand lasted a few years for me. i think they were 
like 30$.

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[RBW] Re: OLD FS Posts

[drew]

Most items around here get sold in a matter of days, so if it's 6 months old 
and the author isnt bumping it, then it's gone... or on eBay.  Also, yes, you 
would need to pm the author in order to ensure they actually see your message.

Joe, 
You can set your phone to be on the desktop version with the little button at 
the bottom of the page. Somewhat of a hassle, but I use it any time I need to 
pm.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviotlantis

[drew]

Seems cool and desirable to me. If I wasn't waiting on an Atlantis, I'd be 
tempted.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Dyno wire shrink wrap?

[drew]

I ended up buying a very similar pack off eBay. I think a lot of it will be too 
small, but I really only need one piece. 
Thanks

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[RBW] Dyno wire shrink wrap?

[drew]

Finally got a rack with internal wire routing, which means I won't be wrapping 
excess wire around struts. 
I'm gonna be cutting the wire to fit and am a little overwhelmed by the 
electrical shrink wrap options that are on the market. 
Anyone have a size/type/brand etc that they like and is easy to install?

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[drew]

Chris, is there a quill stem with a removable faceplate in 25.4?

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[RBW] Re: How Do you like the XD2 wide/low double crank RBW sells?

[drew]

i consider this to be a feature. more than once i have swapped outer ring 
for bashguard and back again. its pretty easy to find a double crank, but 
finding one with a matching, good looking, bash guard is much much harder. 

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[RBW] Re: Tires/Wheels for new Sam Hillborne

[drew]

 unless I was considering a long trip, through puncturous land, i would 
probably opt for a different tire. There are some really nice ones in the 
40mm range that will make your sam feel excellent. I also am of the belief 
that most rivs should ever wear a tire less than 40mm. but that's just me. 

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[RBW] New Bike Day--R05C0 8U883 Medium Mountain Mixte

[drew]

Red lugged(?) stem. What/how?

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[RBW] MMM

[drew]

These look s good. I keep thinking I should buy a cheviot or one of these 
to store for when I'm too old to swing a leg over a top tube. I feel like 
Rivendell, or humans, or both will be gone by thenso it'd be a gamble.
 
Questions:
These are all 650b? 
What's the reasoning for the horizontal dropouts?

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[RBW] Wald 257 rack

[drew]

If my memory is correct, the arms are a very non-sturdy feeling aluminum. The 
one I had was used and more wobbly than I like.  I never put much weight on it, 
so it was fine, but it was eventually replaced. I think cetmas are steel, I've 
never had one though. 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Hunqapillar 58cm Frameset

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That's a deal. Do it. 

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[RBW] S24O Report: Avoiding the Toilet-Eating-Bog by Bikepacking to Another

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Pretty. What's the elevation gain getting up there?

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for thumb shifters?

[drew]

I also like the shimano's on paul mounts. i could be wrong but i think 
thats the only way to get good quality indexed thumb shifting with new 
parts. that being said, that one model of suntour thumb shifter is the 
prettiest and best feeling thumb shifter ever. if i see them at a decent 
price, i always buy them. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[drew]

Ok. Somewhat related question. When I see people's bike packing setups, 
Especially the ones without panniers, where is the food being kept? Or are 
people just eating protein bars and stuff for dinner?
I always bring food to make, since that's one of the most fun parts about 
camping to me. But real food and a way to cook it takes up space fast. 

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[RBW] Re: Show me your touring/camping setup!

[drew]

Here is mine with a load for a couple of nights. probably more than 
actually needed, but it had food and cooking gear for 2 days. rear has 
sleeping pad, tent and tools. front has a soft cooler and small items in 
the basket. front panniers hold the sleeping bag, clothes, cooking stuff. i 
basically used the same set up for tours that last a week or longer.  i 
havent quite figured out how to pack for a s240 yet. 



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[RBW] Re: Sam and tires

[drew]

I had 50ish tires on my Sam with Paul racers. No fenders, but I seem to recall 
that there was room to spare. 

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[RBW] Re: FS Choco bars/Nitto stem

[drew]

Pics and stem size would also be helpful

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[RBW] 60cm Sam Hillborne FS on SFBay Craigslist

[drew]

Great deal!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

[drew]

Former Sam owner. It can do everything you intend to do with it. In the 2 top 
tube version, it rode a lot like my 83 specialized expedition touring bike. I 
easily was able to fit 50mm tires, and with Paul racers it stopped as well as 
any of my canti bikes. I don't know if the clearances are maybe a bit tighter 
on an ahh. I think of the 2 as basically the same but one is made in the USA 
and slightly more classic looks. Can't go wrong either way. As someone willing 
to wait the 8 months for an Atlantis,  I understand the desire for made in the 
USA and classic looks though. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Rosco Road

[drew]

How does this compare to the Bmc? 

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[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

[drew]

I think we live in a time where many other companies are now making 
gravel/tour/adventurey bikes. Competetion in that niche is high, as is the rate 
of shiny new things being shown to people. 
I hear you on the sluggish feel. I sometimes feel that on my hunqapillar. Then 
I load it up, or take it off road, or ride without people to compare myself to, 
and it feels perfect. I think it was made for those scenarios. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[drew]

In that situation, what would the hunq offer that the Joe doesn't? 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[drew]

I believe that the Appaloosa started as a middle ground between hunq and 
hillborne, but by the time it was made it had been made burlier and lies 
between a hunq and an Atlantis. At least that's my recollection of the 
chronology. 

I have a hunq, which will soon be traded for an Atlantis. It is a great bike. 
Best I've ever owned. 

I've come to think of rivendell as a line of do-it-all bikes. There is a lot of 
overlap between models and the bikes do not excel at any one specific thing, 
other than ride quality, comfort and beauty. I mean this in the most positive 
way. I think that even a hilsen with big tires could do 99% of what most people 
use their hunqapillars for. 
So I guess what I mean is that, if you want a mountain bike or a racing bike, I 
wouldn't get a rivendell. You'd be missing out on what those bikes offer in 
their specialty and missing out on what a riv offers outside of that specialty. 

I would assume that they are functionally equivalent. So I would make my choice 
based on handlebars and wheel size. 
I am a medium sized guy and have found my one complaint about the hunqapillar 
to be 29er tires on a medium sized bike. I could run a small 700c tire on the 
bike, but that would feel sacrilegious to me. 
As far as handlebars go, I don't know that id want to try to run drops on the 
Appaloosa. I know people do it and like it, but that bike was designed for 
upright bars. The hunq does drops just fine.  In the opposite way, I had a 
hillborne that I felt was too short in the top tube for upright bars. 

Lastly,  If like me, you have more idealistic views of your riding than actual, 
id recommend rectifying the two before purchasing. I thought I would be doing 
lots of off road riding and touring... I wish that was true. In actuality, in 
Los Angeles, 75% of my riding is on roads. 

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