CSRe: Your Last Comments on my HVAC CS were lost
At 08:18 PM 6/17/2000, you wrote: In a message dated 6/17/00 1:37:06 PM EST, f...@health2us.com writes: Have you checked with your Agricultural agent what the copper fungicides are that they recommend? As so far as my mentions of nitrate or nitrite, I would ignore that in a field spray application, as there are far worse risks with copper fungicides then the trace amount you might get from the HVAC process. Fred: You are unbelievable! ... far worse risks ... then the trace amount [of nitrate or nitrite] You prove the old adage that if you repeat a lie often enough people will start to believe it. Roger Sorry touchy Roger, thought I was being conservative by saying my mentions and trace amount - I am not the only one in the world with unanswered questions about the logical possibility of nitrogen compounds formed in an air to water HV arc! I even went to two of Bruce Marx's sites, THE originator of the HVAC process, (he says so) to check his comments, but alas, he has weirder ideas then you! Even says LV Cs has a shelf life of only 2 days to 2 weeks - you might like him! Oh well, guess I asked for a slap! f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
Alvin said: Did anyone visit Bruce Marx's web site at http://colloidal.hypermart.net another great claim of superior C/S and why we shouldn't use the LVDC process...Is it BS or not? -- Well, I had not visited his site for years so I decided to review it for you Alvin - below are some questionable statements of his: (This is not a personal attack, text is taken in context from his widely published comparison of the LV and HVAC processes. My comments are in blue!) Bruce Marx is an N.D., a licensed Chief Engineer (CSPRO) He is the originator of the HVAC process (Many will argue that, unless Bruce is very, very old! Roger said HE re invented it 100 years too late!) There is constant reference to the 'yellow' or 'golden' color. As mentioned in the description of the DC process, this color is a result of the silver 'tarnishing'. (The accepted opinion is the particle size determines the color - below he oddly says the tarnishing makes it heavy and causes very short life due to settlement?) Colloidal silver produced by the HVAC process is pure, clean and clear...Particle size is between .002 to .007-9 micron, yielding 100% 'Bio-Availability' (Most of us are concerned about what contaminates in HVAC Cs cause the very low pH , so pure or clean is still questionable!) The flow of the current from the positive (anode) to the negative (cathode) causes minute particles of silver to release. Many particles will immediately oxidize and adhere to the negative electrode as a black residue (silver oxides), (The general opinion is they are atoms (reduced ions) and form weak, irregular crystal growths and thus the dark color.) Low voltage DC colloidal silver has a limited 'shelf life'. Due to the continuing oxidation of the suspended particles, the solution will turn to a yellow or golden color. During production, the particles are given a positive electrical charge. This keeps them in suspension by the principle of 'Brownian Motion'. The charge dissipates slowly. The increased weight caused by the build-up of oxidation, causes the particles to collide and, finally, with their charges weakening, settle to the bottom of the container. His recently updated main site says LVDC Cs has a shelf life of only 2 days to 2 weeks! (Most of this sounds really hoaky and many of us have stable samples of LVDC Cs well over a year old, to prove it!) Generally, the higher the operating voltage of the process, the more 'consistently small' the particles produced. Therefore, as the voltage goes up, so does the percent of 'Bio-Availability'. At 180 volts DC, the 'Bio-Availability' is over 80%, and at 10,000 volts AC, the 'Bio-Availability' is 100%. (he claims only 30% Bio with 27 VDC - in my book, ions or atoms of silver come in only one size and only a poor process will allow crystal growth or larger particles. His photo claiming particles of 0.001 to 0.008 um is of a 6-10um cluster or particle, so which is he flawing?) Also, his general approach (marketing) is a scare tactic - the FDA will shut us all down - you need to be prepared in your shelter with 600 Watt backup generators to run his unit - etc. rather then the classic promotion of - has many benefits for you! As some would say, Where is the proof?, there are no links or references cited to support any of his views. In fairness, I must say his technical data (on both sites I viewed) is a news article he had published on 2/30/96, but on the other hand, the web pages were updated recently so I must assume these weird science views are still his! I would rate him pretty low Alvin! (Slap me if you disagree!) P.S. If you find any hoaky/outdated stuff on my site, let me know and I will change/update it! We all learn as we grow, but Bruce has been painted as the originator and thus the expert! A few on the list will defend him at any cost - such is dedication! He certainly appears to make more money then us all, so maybe like Bill Gates he can say anything we wants to! f...@health2us.com
CSAntidotal (sp) Evidence
Hi Ya'all; Last Satuday evening my youngest son found some week old shrimp dip in his sister-in-law's refrig and ate it. That was 8 p.m. by 10 p.m. he was ready for the E.R. , terrible stomach pains, so he downed 1/2 cup of CS and in 45 minutes all pain was gone !!! He now spoikes the family O.J. with CS so they all get it. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQXCI links
Pam, If you go ahead with the idea of the QXCI list, please put me down. I definitely wish to learn as much as possible about this subject. It sounds like a combination of radionics and biofeeback plus something else I haven't discerned yet. Or perhaps I'm mistaken in my understanding. Thanks, Diane Diane, you are right on all accounts, plus the something else. I'm just not ready for a certain response from a certain person. Last night every word that came to mind I found my imaginary fingers typing each letter at the key board(perhapas it could become the new computer generation's way of counting sheep to fall asleep---worked for me). How does one begin a list anyway? In Search of Truth Always, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQXCI links
Pamela, Tell us about that car accident will you? Where? when? how? Was it a hit and run? Just curious. It is rather odd how often car accidents happen to people who can't be controlled, or shut up, or who keep looking for answers, or is it all just a coincidence? Bill. - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: RE: CSQXCI links If you say so. Who has testimonials? Best Regards, Robert Ratliff I doubt if anyone has bothered to put such a piece of work together, but you are giving me an idea. Someone else triggered me into the idea that perhaps there should a QXCI list. I have my own testimonials from my personal treatments of myself, from friens and relatives and otheres I have treated and many accounts from those in conversations over the phone. We are all fairly new to this(I am almost a year into it, though a car accidsent put a damper on my momentum). Anyone into to this are practititioners and the ones that I know do not have the time to vest into testimonials though there must be someone--perhaps just hasn't reached the internet. There is someione out in Clorado that had a site--don't remeber who, however. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQXCI links
YOW! That's a horrible thought but I suppose it could be possible. Diane William Cowell wrote: Pamela, Tell us about that car accident will you? Where? when? how? Was it a hit and run? Just curious. It is rather odd how often car accidents happen to people who can't be controlled, or shut up, or who keep looking for answers, or is it all just a coincidence? Bill. - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: RE: CSQXCI links If you say so. Who has testimonials? Best Regards, Robert Ratliff I doubt if anyone has bothered to put such a piece of work together, but you are giving me an idea. Someone else triggered me into the idea that perhaps there should a QXCI list. I have my own testimonials from my personal treatments of myself, from friens and relatives and otheres I have treated and many accounts from those in conversations over the phone. We are all fairly new to this(I am almost a year into it, though a car accidsent put a damper on my momentum). Anyone into to this are practititioners and the ones that I know do not have the time to vest into testimonials though there must be someone--perhaps just hasn't reached the internet. There is someione out in Clorado that had a site--don't remeber who, however. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSJust another breath of air
Maybe, I just get a kick out of some of the silly names (to my mind) that people think up, particularly in the 'new age' arena. It is just like kids to NOT do their homework. Silly--eh? Well, did you ever look up the defintition of Consciousness(or Quantum or contemplate what the implications for Interface implies)?---actually, if you haven't--now that I am coming back to this ridiculous e-mail I wrote with you in mind---you probably, faster than anyone, would do your homework--forgive me. CONSCIOUSNESS: n. 1. The knowledge of sensations and mental operations, or of what passes, in one's own mind; the state of being conscious(nothing silly so far). 2. Feeling or internal sense or knowledge of guilt or innocense;as, man(let me stress MAN) may betray his consciousness of guilt by his countenance. 3. Certain knowledge from observation or experience; as, the consciousness of external objects. Syn.--Feeling, attention, sensation. --WEBSTER'S New Twentieth Century DICTIONARY of the ENGLISH LANGUAGE---Unabridged(1951--wow, long before the new age) Perhaps we should take a look at The American Heritage STEADMAN'S MEDICAL DICTIONARY(for we want to stay on the medical side of things here, right?). n. 1. The state or condition of being conscious. 2. A sense of one's personal or collective identity, especially the complex of attitudes, beliefs, and sensitivities held by or considered characteristic of an individual or a group. 3. In psychoanalysis, the conscious. Do I agree with the above? Not exactly. It is a fine definition for the conscious mind, but not consciousness. (a great example where health and new age intermingles)Dr. Caroline Myss(ANATOMY OF THE SPIRIT) writes: Consciousness is the ability to release the old and embrace the new with awareness that all things end at the appropriate time and that all things begin at the appropriate time(ooo, feel that left brain fighting with the right). This truth is difficult to learn to live with because human beings seek stability---the absence of change. Given the power of unified beliefs--right or wrong--it is difficult to be at variance with one's tribe. We are taught to make choices that meet with tribal approval. ..many are stuck between two worlds: the old world that they need to release and the new world that they are afraid to enter. We are attracted to becoming more conscious, but at the same time we find it frightening because it means we must take personal responsibility for ourselves---and for our health(Dr. Nelson is SO big on this--as many others are becoming too), career, attitudes, and thoughts. Once we accept personal responsibility for even one area of our lives, we can never again use tribal reasoning to excuse our behavior. Nothing can be experienced by us except in accordance with our own state of consciousness (Paul Twithchell). Ever notice that if you have a problem(for ex: with a boss or a authority figure) that that problem keeps resurfing itself no matter how many jobs we quit to only start up at another with the same type of boss(in our minds) with the same problem--it is only a different face wearing the same problem. Until we change our consciousness(which is gaining the lesson to be learned), we will repeat and repeat that same lesson. Likewise, when we have moved beyond that particular one, we are then all set for the next. It is like moving into a bigger room---with bigger problems--but at least the old ones are passe'. The world around us(as we see it) reflects ourselves. I'm looking right now at a color print of Noah Webster and for the life of me I don't know why hoitish comes to mind. So why not look it up(yeh, yeh, once a teacher always a teacher)? Anyway, hoit means to leap, to caper(what? what does caper mean?---such a silly man was Webster, right?). Now, I've got to look up caper. Ah, caper means a leap;a skip or jump; as in dancing or mirth(what's mirth--who cares--right?), or in the frolic of a goat or lamb.(could that be a sheep?--ba, ba). To leap into the heart of truth---nah What is she talking about, pray tell(is that correct?). I am talking about consciousness. It is time to stop prancing around the truth(okay--my truth, anyway). Consciousness is everything(when you get smaller than quantic levels). It only takes a leap(no, not of faith) of one's attention to have a sudden change of consciousness. Now I didn't want to go into this, but here I go anyway(you did it again Ivan--I am spurred on). The laws of thermodynamics(which is the law of death--dead people are people who have succumbed to the temperature of the room--they have become thermodynamic--it is a Newtonian law and states: 1. cannot be created or destroyed--(actually that sounds like consciousness, oh well)--and 2. heat will pass from a warm body to a cold, BUT WE WORK IN A QUANTIC WAY). Anyway, 10 -10(ten to the
Re: CSQXCI links
Pamela, Tell us about that car accident will you? Where? when? how? Was it a hit and run? Just curious. It is rather odd how often car accidents happen to people who can't be controlled, or shut up, or who keep looking for answers, or is it all just a coincidence? Bill. Nothing is a coincidence and I don't think I am at liberty to discuss this accident. I still have a little common sense---not much left, however. Anyway, if you've done your research you know it doesn't have to be a hit-n-run to be PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew list member with a question
Dear Pamela, I am sorry if you feel harrased by me, I don't mean you the slightest harm. I have a genuine interest in the subject you have raised, and have spent some time trying to find out more about it. Not to reinvent the wheel, but to understand the foundations from which it rises. As this is the silver-list, and as I am a pharmacology student with a consuming interest in matters health, and hold the belief that an healthy energy matrix is intimately involved in good health, you can see why I am keen to find some more detailed account of the subjects raised. I can answer the points you raise in this post individually if you prefer, but I would rather just say thank you for the references, you have supplied more than enough for me to continue my search. Might I also say, please be aware that if you raise topics in a forum, you may be asked to provide further information and even evidence that what you say is so. As you raised an issue which concerned the use of colloidal silver in a negative light, surely one might be expected to inquire further as to the legitimacy of the claim. sincerely, Ivan Anderson. I was under the impression that this was a bio-feedback device, and needed to be attached to the subject by four contact electrodes. Actually, around 10 electrodes, but also works as a radionic device through subspace(did you know there were actual doctorant degrees that one can obtain in Quantum and Subspace biology--actually just found out myself?. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQXCI links
Pamela, Tell us about that car accident will you? Where? when? how? Was it a hit and run? Just curious. It is rather odd how often car accidents happen to people who can't be controlled, or shut up, or who keep looking for answers, or is it all just a coincidence? Bill. Nothing is a coincidence and I don't think I am at liberty to discuss this accident. I still have a little common sense---not much left, however. Anyway, if you've done your research you know it doesn't have to be a hit-n-run to be PG Perhaps a conspiracy list would be more appropriate--OR NOT. I've learned alot, but if I told you what I think I know you'd never believe me and I probably just might see one of those accidents.(funny, I wrote none in place of one--probably not an accident either--you see--not all accidents are a bad thing. All so-called bad things are our stepping stones. Once you've battled the rabid animal, it no longer holds fear over you and thus you transcend even the disease itself--that is if you let it bite you ine the first place). We are being bitten every day. Man is a creative creature and at every challenge he manages to find a new solution. We keep each other quite busy. Best to know who is the keeper of your busy-ness--so to speak. Otherwise, you don't stand a chance. Much is riding on the fact that people freak because TRUTH is surely stranger than fiction. They've got the edge, I'd say. Yes, we all worry to varying degrees the extent what others will think of us. We do more controlling of each other than most poeple can even begin to realize. But hey, wasn't that the plan? Ever feel like you are in prison? I knew it strongly around the age of 3 or 4. Doth I protest? and that is when the story began. We all have a story---just need to become more aware--consciousin every sense. How do you do that? Well, there's another topic for a list. Perhaps a list should be called the QXCI, conspiracies, consciousness, and how to break out of this prison. All prisons are self-made. Once we realize that--you have made a great step(leap, skip, jump or a caper)toward freedom. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSList owner observations...
Dear silver list friends, I'm pleased with all the activity. The discussion has been fruitful and folks are enjoying each other -- or at least learning from each other! GRIN Let me touch on a few issues... We've had a big discussion of a lot of arcane sounding chemistry, biology, and physics. This is valuable to those who are involved or interested as it gives our resident experts a chance to share what they know and expand their knowledge. I have two things to say about it: * Don't let the technical talk put you off the subject of CS. It's really simple stuff to make or buy and use. If you've got basic questions, please ask. * Don't allow the occasional contention among them worry you. There's some intellectual and commercial competition as well as a natural process of challenge and review that drives this kind of discussion. As long as everyone involved continues to be civil and courteous we all stand to benefit from what these folks are working out amongst themselves. On other matters... We have reached a consensus long ago that just about *all* CS made by electrolysis or deposition of pure silver in plain distilled water, regardless of the details of recipe, process or equipment, seems to work at least reasonably well. We've heard from satisfied users of all sorts of different products and processes. So find an approach that you understand, that fits your budget, and get started. You don't have to wait for everybody to agree what's the best, the correct, or the only way. There *are* pitfalls to avoid. People still buy questionable CS in tiny bottles for outrageous prices at their local health food store. New people are still bombarded by hype from unscrupulous marketers and disinformation from self appointed debunkers who attempt to use these real problems to distract people from the interesting results being obtained with well made CS. My hope and belief is that we have gathered people here on this list who have a balanced and informed view of colloidal silver and can help steer you between the extremes. So keep sharing information and asking questions, folks! And thank you, emphatically THANK YOU, to all of you who answer and guide and encourage, again and again. Just as a reminder... Our mission: * To provide interested individuals with fair and unbiased information they can use to decide if colloidal silver is safe and effective, and that will help them if they choose to get started. * To support individuals who are experimenting with colloidal silver by providing a forum for discussion, collaboration, reporting results, and exchanging encouragement. * To dispel the hype, half-truths, and disinformation that surround colloidal silver. * To further our understanding of colloidal silver, it's properties, production, and usefulness, and make this information freely available. List rules: * Our bias is that there is enough anecdotal evidence to show that colloidal silver may be useful and worth further study. * Each person is responsible for verifying the safety and usefulness of anything they read here before using the information. * This is a non-commercial forum. No promotional activity is allowed unless specifically approved in advance by me. * We don't endorse or dismiss any particular method or system for making CS, as most seem to work for some people and each has its virtues and drawbacks. * Many of our members reject mainstream ideas about health care. I expect traditional and alternative medicine adherents to remain civil to one another *especially* when they disagree. * We avoid *politics* unless it applies directly to CS or alternative medicine issues, and any discussion of *religion* beyond the normal passing reference or casual greeting. * Be courteous. Flames and *aggressive behavior* will get you a private warning and/or removal from the list with no recourse or appeal. * Complaints about list behavior or content should be directed to *me* and *NOT* to the list. We have a generous and knowledgeable group of people here. I want to welcome all newcomers who wish to share their questions, experiences, ideas and encouragement. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner Disclaimer: I, MICHAEL DEVOUR, DISCLAIM ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE USE OR MISUSE OF THE INFORMATION, INCLUDING LINKS, PROVIDED ON THIS LIST. EVERY INDIVIDUAL SHOULD OBTAIN COMPETENT MEDICAL ADVICE BEFORE USING THIS INFORMATION. THIS FREE INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN VERIFIED BY ME AND IS PROVIDED SOLELY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES TO INDIVIDUALS INTERESTED IN THESE TOPICS. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe
RE: CSI have quite a few 9 volt DC power supplies
Hi Daniel, No problem that they will work and be OK.; silver stock is just cheaper and easier to work with. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Daniel Holly [SMTP:di...@iitek.net] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 11:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSI have quite a few 9 volt DC power supplies - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 12:23 PM Subject: RE: CSI have quite a few 9 volt DC power supplies It is probably cheaper to buy unminted silver bars or wire. Also the surface loss effects will be more predictable and uniform without the 3 D surface features of the coins. The Maple Leafs are very pure silver and easy to get, Save those Maple Leafs for the crash. Y2K ?? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSChemical prediction software.
Thanks Bro. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Ivan Anderson [SMTP:i...@win.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 11:38 PM To: Silver-List Subject:CSChemical prediction software. Covet not thy neighbours software... Oh well, if you must. Chemical Predictor 3.0 http://members.tripod.com/ikassal/software.html Aqualib - Java http://www.crct.polymtl.ca/fact/web/aquaweb.htm Ivan. I covet your software; is it available? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAg + H2O2
Maybe this is what is happening. 1. (FACT) Silver does not react with O2 under normal conditions. 2. (FACT) H2O2 will liberate O upon contact with some size/shapes of silver. 3. (FACT) CS particles are positive charged, O is highly negative charged. 4. (Maybe) the O particles neutralize the silver particle causing any clumps of silver particles to no longer clump together, they separate, then the O's find each other, make O2, which then bubbles off, and the silver particle is now broken up into smaller particles, and positive again. If that is the case, then H2O2 would be acting as a catalyst, and I believe this would explain everything. Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, 17 June 2000 23:41 Subject: Re: CSAg + H2O2 In a message dated 6/17/00 2:50:59 AM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: Hi folks, I originally thought that this reaction might be an indication of the metallic content (uncharged or slightly charged silver aggregates) of colloidal silver. This proved to be so in the tests I performed. Fred has attempted to refine the concept by quantifying the gas released, but unfortunately there is not a great deal of gas evolution, although there seems to be a gas phase which is plain to see. The silver - hydrogen peroxide catalytic effect really only occurs with high purity H2O2 ( 90%) being pumped through silver mesh. Ivan: This type of contact is hardly that which is occurring when (I believe 3%) H2O2 is added to freshly made CS. So how can anyone claim that (3%) peroxide can be used to identify metallic silver in CS? Also it's very confusing to me how the term catalyzed reaction is being used (probably not by you). I thought a catalyst is something that PROMOTES a reaction without TAKING PART in that reaction. The reaction below clearly show that silver is one of the reactants. On the other hand, is it not possible that silver DOES catalyze the reduction of (relatively unstable) H2O2? Your comments please. That is what I am saying Roger, this is not a catalytic reaction, but rather a relatively straight forward redox reaction. The catalytic reaction, as used in hydrogen peroxide rocket motors, induces a cascade reaction in the water producing heat and steam (theories on how this happens are not consistent). The silver does wear out in time. When I deliberately made a colloid that had a lot of sludge inclusion and was a deep gold colour, the introduction of H2O2 caused an immediate reaction in the form of many extremely small bubbles (made the sample look cloudy) and the colloid became clear. The ionic content was significantly higher after this reaction than before, as measured by Ion Selective Electrode. There was no such reaction with a light golden colloid which I know to be composed of a high proportion of ionic clusters (ISE ionic reading = AA total silver reading) and the concentration remained the essetially the same (slight increase). The plugging of the compounds into a couple of reaction predictors (the outputs of these are pasted into my post) confirms this evidence. Until the weight of evendence proves otherwise, this is my conclusion. H2O2 will oxidise metallic silver Ag 2(Ag) + H2O2 + 2H+ + 2e2(Ag+ + e) + 2H2O E(cell) = 0.977 V log K = 33.06168 K = 1.15e33 deltaG= -188.53169 kJ/mol but will not oxidise the silver ion Ag+ in a neutral or acid solution. In a basic solution H2O2 will reduce Ag+ by way of the hydroxyl ion OH- surfiet. Ivan: How basic (pH?) does the solution have to be to get this reaction to the right? I should think the reaction procedes as long as there are hydroxyl ions to donate electrons, and increases as the pH increases. The reaction may be self limiting as the pH will fall as the reaction procedes, by the look of it, but then may bounce back and forth about an equalibrium sucessively oxidising Ag and reducing the produced Ag+ until the H2O2 is exhausted, not sure. H2O2 + 2OH- + 2(Ag+ + e) O2 + 2H2O + 2e + 2(Ag) E(cell) = 0.945 V log K = 31.9788 K = 9.52e31 deltaG = -182.35665 kJ/mol -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfleas
Also give diatomaceous earth a try. It kills both fleas and intestinal worms and is totally non-toxic. Marshall d.linen wrote: Thank you Karen. I had asked on behalf of someone on another list. Fortunately my cats are indoors and don't have the problem. I knew it was something fairly simple though. Diane fernwo...@aol.com wrote: Diane, I mix 1/4 teaspoon of brewer's yeast with each cat's canned cat food each day from early March to after several frosts in the fall each year and they have no fleas. But the first year I tried it after they already had fleas and it made the fleas leave the cats and bite us instead. You need to start a month or more before flea season to get it built up in their body. It makes them taste or smell bad to the fleas. Since doing this we have had no fleas for 6 years except one when we went on a 2 week vacation and I suspect the person caring for the cats didn't always give it to them. Karen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew list member with a another question
Discard grey or black. Particles are extremely large. Marshall Pamela Grant wrote: I have read a few mailings that pertained to size of CS particles. I had become concerned(not a lot, however) that my solution , at times, did not look healthy. Whatever I mean by that--the solution at times became gray---even toward black--IF I left it running too long. Is there any danger in this that anyone knows? Or should I, when that happens, just throw out and start over--paying better attention to the time? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSIon Selective Electrode
Ivan (or anyone else): Please explain the workings of the Ion Selective Electrode. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWest Nile Flu
We do not have the virus in our area and have no direct experience with it. however, with that said, CS seems most effective against viruses when they are in the blood stream. The virus is initially injected in the blood stream by the mosquito, and must find refuge inside a cell to reproduce. Thus the best time to attack the virus is immediately after being bitten, before it has found a hidding place. That said, I would drink some CS before going outside as a preventative. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Marshall GB Rogers wrote: Hello listers, The mosquito borne West Nile virus that causes encephalitis has returned to my region of NY, with a few dead crows confirmed having the virus in an adjacent county, just 20 miles away. I was just wondering if anyone has suggestions for precautionary measures using CS (besides a daily 2oz dosage) - would putting drops of CS on mosquito bites work? I made my own concoction of aloe vera gel, CS, dissolved MSM and lavender oil, which I keep in the kitchen for burns that works rather nicely, but don't know if the CS has remained effective since I don't refrigerate it, and I don't know if mixing it with essential oils affects the properties of the colloid. Any suggestions or thoughts on natural ways of protecting me and my family from this virus, which killed 7 people in NYC last year, would be appreciated! We live on a small lake, and it tends to be mosquito metropolitan around here. Beth -- Commit Random Acts of Kindness -- -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Lyme
I belive that you will find that CS alone will not be able to get to all the Lyme bacteria, they are really good at hiding in the brain, lymph system and cartlidge after you have had it long term. I would suggest using the full 4 step protocol of Bob Beck's for a rapid and complete recovery. His protocol uses CS, ozonated water, blood electrification (I use Clark's zapper though), and magnetic zapping. CS alone helped my sister get to about 80% from her Lyme, but it took all four for a complete cure. See http://rarebooks.net/beck.html and http://www.sota-inc.com Marshall Quiksassy wrote: Hello everyone, I am new to this group and I have found the information here to be quite informative and interesting. I have searched the internet for the amount of CS one should take for the treatment of Lyme disease and I have found many different dosages and PPM. Does anyone know what the dosage should be for late term Lyme disease (four years)? Thanks for any information. - Original Message - From: Scharbach myf...@mwt.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 11:45 PM Subject: Re: CSCS and Lyme Rob , You are correct it doesn't happen over night. CS was part of my recovery from Lyme and at times I stil wonder if the recovery was complete. However, my Post CS life is definately much better and fuller than my Pre CS life. Keep taking it, and keep the faith. Sparrow \ -Original Message- From: rob gr [SMTP:gotl...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 2:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSColloids Ions Bio-availability was Your Last Comments on my HVAC CS were lost Well I am no expert on Biochemistry , Biophysics, CS, or anything else for that matter. But i am a pragmatist. If something works and it does not harm you, then keep doing it. I have just begun using CS for my lyme. So the verdict is still out. but I am encouraged by the many genuine testimonials Lyme patients have made re: CS. Like any other treatment for Lyme however, I do not think the results happen over night. rob in memphis From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSColloids Ions Bio-availability was Your Last Comments on my HVAC CS were lost Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:25:28 -0500 This implies that silver must be broken into atomic ions in order for chelation to take place, and the loose attraction of small CS aggregates probably promotes this process. Please excuse me as I am new to this list and I am not a scientist, but in reading the above a thought came to mind: what if a plant could be fed high levels of CS, thus allowing the plant to break the silver down into a more usable form by us humans. Would this make sense or am I way off in my sudden ah-ha moment?--afterall the mind of man is inferior to the mind of nature(Dr. Bill Nelson). Anyway, as to the doctor/scientist/inventor mentioned above, I will paraphrase from my notes from one of his seminars: the mineral kingdom has weak bonds and man was not meant to take in minerals, but plants--yes--they take in minerals and create CoValiant bonds which are strong bonds. Since we need higher energy, that is man being quantic in nature and needing quantic energy--- should we not get this through plants? Is this even possible with silver and if so would it still have the effect of being a germicidal? Does any of this make sense or am I way of base here? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: CSNew NIST Amalgam Material Contains No Mercury
SNIPIf you have a metallic dental filling, you probably have a small amount of mercury in your mouth. I think 50 % mercury would be considered more than a small amount. I was never able to prevent recurrences of my non-hodgkins lymphoma until I had my amalgams (read mercury) removed. concern over toxicity is pretty mild considering that it has been proven beyond doubt that mercury shows up in the bone marrow and brains of monkeys, sheep and other animals sacrificed a few months after receiving their amalgam fillings. To my knowledge there has never been any scientifically valid research done to prove that mercury filling are safe - just the ADA saying we have been doing this for 100 years and don't see any problem It's nice that there is an alternative, however, your characterization of this toxic substance in someone's mouth as prompting discussions snipFor decades, U.S. dentists have used alloys containing copper, tin, silver, zinc and mercury in amalgams. Such alloys are ideally suited to the job. They're long-lasting, strong, corrosion-resistant and bond easily to tooth enamel. However, concern over the toxicity of mercury has prompted discussion about restricting their use.snip Is a grossly understated view of the threat the decades of approved dental practice have foisted upon the uninformed and unsuspecting public. Dave Perkins enjoy - mercury free - being - Original Message - From: Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz To: Silver-List silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:00 AM Subject: CSNew NIST Amalgam Material Contains No Mercury Dentistry Smile! New NIST Amalgam Material Contains No Mercury If you have a metallic dental filling, you probably have a small amount of mercury in your mouth. For decades, U.S. dentists have used alloys containing copper, tin, silver, zinc and mercury in amalgams. Such alloys are ideally suited to the job. They're long-lasting, strong, corrosion-resistant and bond easily to tooth enamel. However, concern over the toxicity of mercury has prompted discussion about restricting their use. Until now, there were no replacement materials that worked as well. Metallurgists at the National Institute of Standards and Technology have perfected a method for making silver powder that, when properly consolidated, has properties that equal or exceed those of mercury-containing alloys. The powder is precipitated from a solution and then treated with a dilute acid to remove silver oxide from the surface of the very small silver particles. These particles then can be compacted carefully with normal dental tools into a tooth cavity where they consolidate through cold welding. Fillings made this way are 80 percent dense and are at least as strong as mercury-alloy amalgams. NIST is inviting companies to apply to license the patented process by contacting Terry Lynch at (301) 975-2691. Media Contact: Linda Joy , (301) 975-4403 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQXCI links
Pam Me too Dave Perkins enjoy being - Original Message - From: d.linen li...@flash.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 2:00 AM Subject: Re: CSQXCI links Pam, If you go ahead with the idea of the QXCI list, please put me down. I definitely wish to learn as much as possible about this subject. It sounds like a combination of radionics and biofeeback plus something else I haven't discerned yet. Or perhaps I'm mistaken in my understanding. Thanks, Diane Pamela Grant wrote: If you say so. Who has testimonials? Best Regards, Robert Ratliff I doubt if anyone has bothered to put such a piece of work together, but you are giving me an idea. Someone else triggered me into the idea that perhaps there should a QXCI list. I have my own testimonials from my personal treatments of myself, from friens and relatives and otheres I have treated and many accounts from those in conversations over the phone. We are all fairly new to this(I am almost a year into it, though a car accidsent put a damper on my momentum). Anyone into to this are practititioners and the ones that I know do not have the time to vest into testimonials though there must be someone--perhaps just hasn't reached the internet. There is someione out in Clorado that had a site--don't remeber who, however. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIon Selective Electrode
http://www-plb.ucdavis.edu/courses/s99/plb111l/Electrodes.html http://www.brad.ac.uk/staff/jebrown/ISE/sld001.htm http://www.chem.ualberta.ca/courses/plambeck/p102/p02116.htm http://www.scimedia.com/chem-ed/echem/ise.htm On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:52:09 EDT, rogalt...@aol.com wrote: =Ivan (or anyone else): = =Please explain the workings of the Ion Selective Electrode. = =Roger = = =-- =The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. = =To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: =silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com =with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. = =To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com =Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html =List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com = =
Re: CSNew NIST Amalgam Material Contains No Mercury
Dave Perkins wrote: SNIPIf you have a metallic dental filling, you probably have a small amount of mercury in your mouth. I think 50 % mercury would be considered more than a small amount. I think what they are saying is that most of the mercury in the fillings has most likely leached out and is now in your body, thus only a small amount is left in your mouth. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Lyme
In a message dated 06/19/2000 10:10:48 AM Central Daylight Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: His protocol uses CS, ozonated water, blood electrification (I use Clark's zapper though), and magnetic zapping. CS alone helped my sister get to about 80% from her Lyme, but it took all four for a complete cure. See http://rarebooks.net/beck.html and http://www.sota-inc.com Marshall _ Do you think this 4 step works on cancer, along with good nutrition? Edith -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Lyme
He claims it does, as well as for HIV. Marshall ejohns9...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 06/19/2000 10:10:48 AM Central Daylight Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: His protocol uses CS, ozonated water, blood electrification (I use Clark's zapper though), and magnetic zapping. CS alone helped my sister get to about 80% from her Lyme, but it took all four for a complete cure. See http://rarebooks.net/beck.html and http://www.sota-inc.com Marshall _ Do you think this 4 step works on cancer, along with good nutrition? Edith -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloids Ions Bio-availability was Your Last Comments on my HVAC CS we...
All matter effected by a HV arc discharge in air are NOT 100% contained by the plasma, without strong magnetic confinement, and thus appear in temperature zones down to ambient! f...@health2us.com In a message dated 6/17/00 8:02:32 AM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: Roger, I'm not sure there is much stable at the temp of silver vaporisation. However there is a point at the arc/plasma water interface where the temp is low enough to fix whatever species is found there, 150degC for silver oxide. Ivan. Ivan: Yes, but the temperature differential between the arc and the water surface is HUGE. Basically, the silver is quenched from high temp. So from my experience, practically no oxide will be produced. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Your Last Comments on my HVAC CS were lost
Marx acknowledges original work done by Svedborg and Otswald way prior to his. Two different groups in the late 1800s. One of them was working with about 20K Hz. HV. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Fred [SMTP:f...@health2us.com] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 10:27 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSRe: Your Last Comments on my HVAC CS were lost At 08:18 PM 6/17/2000, you wrote: In a message dated 6/17/00 1:37:06 PM EST, f...@health2us.com writes: Have you checked with your Agricultural agent what the copper fungicides are that they recommend? As so far as my mentions of nitrate or nitrite, I would ignore that in a field spray application, as there are far worse risks with copper fungicides then the trace amount you might get from the HVAC process. Fred: You are unbelievable! ... far worse risks ... then the trace amount [of nitrate or nitrite] You prove the old adage that if you repeat a lie often enough people will start to believe it. Roger Sorry touchy Roger, thought I was being conservative by saying my mentions and trace amount - I am not the only one in the world with unanswered questions about the logical possibility of nitrogen compounds formed in an air to water HV arc! I even went to two of Bruce Marx's sites, THE originator of the HVAC process, (he says so) to check his comments, but alas, he has weirder ideas then you! Even says LV Cs has a shelf life of only 2 days to 2 weeks - you might like him! Oh well, guess I asked for a slap! f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: cancer treatment
- Original Message - From: ejohns9...@aol.com To: dperk...@betterwayhealth.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 12:10 PM Subject: treatment Hi Dave, You mentioned on the list you are using the flax oil/cottage cheese as part of your treatment. Are you juicing and those type things? My sister-in-law has terminal cancer and we are interested in treatments of others. If you choose not to respond to this personal inquiry, I will understand. Edith from the silver list Happy to respond Edith If I can help anyone avoid the learning curve I went through to find the most effective products and protocols it is how I can give back for my good fortune to survive. Time, at the moment limits the extent to which I can go however here is some information about my protocols and products (and a history of my medical journey). Please contact me with any questions or for more details after looking at this. You can overcome cancer by making your body ecology unfriendly to what cancer needs to flourish. Also visit my (under construction) web site www.betterwayhealth.com for some good general information about cancer and disease in general, regarding the keys: Detox; Oxygenate; Alkalize and Potentiate (a maximum, appropriate immune response) CS is a critical part of my program as well as the Ionized Alkaline Water and Rifing. I am going to copy the CS list as I think this is good information for anyone needing to regain health or maintain a level of vigorous health. HIGHLIGHTS OF CURRENT PROCEDURES DAVID C. PERKINS n Green juicing (kale, char, parsley, cilantro, cucumber, celery, collards, beet, diakon, ginger, w/ enough carrot to make palatable) combine as available - 32oz per day n Coffee Enemas - 5-6 times/week; began Dec. 99; went to 2-3 times/week since April 99. Implant 4.5 oz. Chlorophyll w/ ½ Tbs. of Bifidus and ½ tsp. Lactobacillus complex. (If this generates too much gas I eliminate the Bifidus and L. Bacillus) n O3 (ozone) therapy - .5L one min. rectally (immediately after my enema) began Dec. 99 n Colonic irrigation - Began in Sept. 99 - weekly; Oct-Nov. bi-weekly; now every 3 to 4 weeks n Using Rife device (bio frequency therapy) daily - began in Sept. 99. n Nutritional IV's (25 grams C w/ various B vits.) started in Sept. 99 - weekly until end of Oct. 99 n Dental mercury removed - Nov. 10 - Dec. 6. Two root canals pulled; two remain. n Mercury detox. per Dr. Tate synopsis (eggs poached in butter w/garlic daily - sulphur ) plus; DMPS chelation 12/8, 12/22. n 25 grams IV Vit. C - weekly; began 12/18; 50 grams started 1/8/00 n IV DMSO began 1/6/00 w/beta glucans and aloe - weekly, bi-weekly since April 99. n 15 min. on Rebounder (mini trampoline) most days to oxygenate my system and stimulate lymph movement. n 15 min. on Chi machine most days (with oxygen via nose canula) - same reasons as Rebounder n Avoiding white flour; sugar; fruits; alcohol most grains. n 30-40 oz. Alkalized water purchased from a woman who has a water ionizing unit that splits filtered water into acid and alkaline components. This helps to make the water's oxygen more available to me at the cellular level which helps detox my body at the cellular level. Purchased my own Water Ionizer (after finding a good unit that I could afford) in March 2000 and now use it for all cooking, drinking etc. Generally drink about 80 oz @ 8.5 pH daily. n Four cups of Green Tea daily - made with the Alkalized water n Supplements, herbs: Beta 1,3,D Glucans 1000mg x2 IP6 500mg. x6 MGN3 (Arabinaxylane compound) 250mg x2 ARA6 (Arabinogalactan) (Larix occidentalis extract) 500mg. x6 Bio Zyme (Pancreatic enzymes) 325mg. x12 Jarro-Zyme (Porcine Pancreatic enzymes) 425mg. x4 Freeze dried Calf Liver 1 t. w/carrot juice x1 Pregest cultured enzymes x4 Sea Cure (White Fish) 500mg. x9 CoQ10 120mg x2 Milk Thistle 80mg. x2 Garlic 12 mcg/gram x2 Selenium 200 mcg x2 Lecithin 1200mg x2 Magnesium 300mg. Potassium 40mg. Asportates x2 Vit. E 400iu x2 Folic acid 800mcg. x1 Vit. B Complex 50mg. X2 Zinc x3 Cod Liver Oil 1tsp. x2 Flax Oil Tbs. W/ 3oz Cottage Cheese x6 Ground Flax seed Tbs. x2 Sodium Acerbate 4 grams x2 L-Glutamine 3,800mg. x1 Broken cell Chlorella 6 grams x1 Bernadine HCL 520mg. w/ Pepsin 20mg. taken with meals. Elysian Greening Power - 45 synergistic herbs 1T x2 Taco - food based vitamin/ mineral complex 1T x4 Homeopathic as recommended DAVID PERKINS Born 11/19/40 (59yrs.)Ph.678-560-1808 CHRONOLOGY OF NON-HODGKINS T-CELL LYMPHOMA 8/96 Admitted to Cobb Hospital w/ 103 temp, diarrhea, and vomiting. Transferred to Veterans Admin. Hospital after 2 weeks with a diagnosis of Endocarditis. NOTE: Endo. was diagnosed one day before transfer - there was no sign of it the next day or ever again. 9/96 Non Hodgkins T-Cell Lymphoma , stage 4B diagnosed. Had 6 rounds of C.H.O.P. chemotherapy at the V.A. NOTE: approx. 5 weeks in intensive care before diagnosis. 12/96 Cancer in remission. 8/97 Started running very
RE: CSBruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
(Most of this sounds really hoaky and many of us have stable samples of LVDC Cs well over a year old, to prove it!) Ionic, dissolved silver will be indefinitely stable too, providing the water does not provide reactants. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Fred [SMTP:f...@health2us.com] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 10:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSBruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS File: ATT5.htm Alvin said: Did anyone visit Bruce Marx's web site at http://colloidal.hypermart.net another great claim of superior C/S and why we shouldn't use the LVDC process...Is it BS or not? -- Well, I had not visited his site for years so I decided to review it for you Alvin - below are some questionable statements of his: (This is not a personal attack, text is taken in context from his widely published comparison of the LV and HVAC processes. My comments are in blue!) Bruce Marx is an N.D., a licensed Chief Engineer (CSPRO) He is the originator of the HVAC process (Many will argue that, unless Bruce is very, very old! Roger said HE re invented it 100 years too late!) There is constant reference to the 'yellow' or 'golden' color. As mentioned in the description of the DC process, this color is a result of the silver 'tarnishing'. (The accepted opinion is the particle size determines the color - below he oddly says the tarnishing makes it heavy and causes very short life due to settlement?) Colloidal silver produced by the HVAC process is pure, clean and clear...Particle size is between .002 to .007-9 micron, yielding 100% 'Bio-Availability' (Most of us are concerned about what contaminates in HVAC Cs cause the very low pH , so pure or clean is still questionable!) The flow of the current from the positive (anode) to the negative (cathode) causes minute particles of silver to release. Many particles will immediately oxidize and adhere to the negative electrode as a black residue (silver oxides), (The general opinion is they are atoms (reduced ions) and form weak, irregular crystal growths and thus the dark color.) Low voltage DC colloidal silver has a limited 'shelf life'. Due to the continuing oxidation of the suspended particles, the solution will turn to a yellow or golden color. During production, the particles are given a positive electrical charge. This keeps them in suspension by the principle of 'Brownian Motion'. The charge dissipates slowly. The increased weight caused by the build-up of oxidation, causes the particles to collide and, finally, with their charges weakening, settle to the bottom of the container. His recently updated main site says LVDC Cs has a shelf life of only 2 days to 2 weeks! (Most of this sounds really hoaky and many of us have stable samples of LVDC Cs well over a year old, to prove it!) Generally, the higher the operating voltage of the process, the more 'consistently small' the particles produced. Therefore, as the voltage goes up, so does the percent of 'Bio-Availability'. At 180 volts DC, the 'Bio-Availability' is over 80%, and at 10,000 volts AC, the 'Bio-Availability' is 100%. (he claims only 30% Bio with 27 VDC - in my book, ions or atoms of silver come in only one size and only a poor process will allow crystal growth or larger particles. His photo claiming particles of 0.001 to 0.008 um is of a 6-10um cluster or particle, so which is he flawing?) Also, his general approach (marketing) is a scare tactic - the FDA will shut us all down - you need to be prepared in your shelter with 600 Watt backup generators to run his unit - etc. rather then the classic promotion of - has many benefits for you! As some would say, Where is the proof?, there are no links or references cited to support any of his views. In fairness, I must say his technical data (on both sites I viewed) is a news article he had published on 2/30/96, but on the other hand, the web pages were updated recently so I must assume these weird science views are still his! I would rate him pretty low Alvin! (Slap me if you disagree!) P.S. If you find any hoaky/outdated stuff on my site, let me know and I will change/update it! We all learn as we grow, but Bruce has been painted as the originator and thus the expert! A few on the list will defend him at any cost - such is dedication! He certainly appears to make more money then us all, so maybe like Bill Gates he can say anything we wants to! f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive:
RE: CSList owner observations...
Excellent review and commentary. I agree wholeheartedly. [not brown-nos*** to atone for recent faux-pas.] James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [SMTP:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 6:35 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSList owner observations... Dear silver list friends, I'm pleased with all the activity. The discussion has been fruitful and folks are enjoying each other -- or at least learning from each other! GRIN Let me touch on a few issues... We've had a big discussion of a lot of arcane sounding chemistry, biology, and physics. This is valuable to those who are involved or interested as it gives our resident experts a chance to share what they know and expand their knowledge. I have two things to say about it: * Don't let the technical talk put you off the subject of CS. It's really simple stuff to make or buy and use. If you've got basic questions, please ask. * Don't allow the occasional contention among them worry you. There's some intellectual and commercial competition as well as a natural process of challenge and review that drives this kind of discussion. As long as everyone involved continues to be civil and courteous we all stand to benefit from what these folks are working out amongst themselves. On other matters... We have reached a consensus long ago that just about *all* CS made by electrolysis or deposition of pure silver in plain distilled water, regardless of the details of recipe, process or equipment, seems to work at least reasonably well. We've heard from satisfied users of all sorts of different products and processes. So find an approach that you understand, that fits your budget, and get started. You don't have to wait for everybody to agree what's the best, the correct, or the only way. There *are* pitfalls to avoid. People still buy questionable CS in tiny bottles for outrageous prices at their local health food store. New people are still bombarded by hype from unscrupulous marketers and disinformation from self appointed debunkers who attempt to use these real problems to distract people from the interesting results being obtained with well made CS. My hope and belief is that we have gathered people here on this list who have a balanced and informed view of colloidal silver and can help steer you between the extremes. So keep sharing information and asking questions, folks! And thank you, emphatically THANK YOU, to all of you who answer and guide and encourage, again and again. Just as a reminder... Our mission: * To provide interested individuals with fair and unbiased information they can use to decide if colloidal silver is safe and effective, and that will help them if they choose to get started. * To support individuals who are experimenting with colloidal silver by providing a forum for discussion, collaboration, reporting results, and exchanging encouragement. * To dispel the hype, half-truths, and disinformation that surround colloidal silver. * To further our understanding of colloidal silver, it's properties, production, and usefulness, and make this information freely available. List rules: * Our bias is that there is enough anecdotal evidence to show that colloidal silver may be useful and worth further study. * Each person is responsible for verifying the safety and usefulness of anything they read here before using the information. * This is a non-commercial forum. No promotional activity is allowed unless specifically approved in advance by me. * We don't endorse or dismiss any particular method or system for making CS, as most seem to work for some people and each has its virtues and drawbacks. * Many of our members reject mainstream ideas about health care. I expect traditional and alternative medicine adherents to remain civil to one another *especially* when they disagree. * We avoid *politics* unless it applies directly to CS or alternative medicine issues, and any discussion of *religion* beyond the normal passing reference or casual greeting. * Be courteous. Flames and *aggressive behavior* will get you a private warning and/or removal from the list with no recourse or appeal. * Complaints about list behavior or content should be directed to *me* and *NOT* to the list. We have a generous and knowledgeable group of people here. I want to welcome all newcomers who wish to share their questions, experiences, ideas and encouragement. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner Disclaimer: I, MICHAEL DEVOUR, DISCLAIM ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE USE OR MISUSE OF THE INFORMATION, INCLUDING LINKS, PROVIDED ON THIS LIST. EVERY INDIVIDUAL SHOULD OBTAIN COMPETENT MEDICAL ADVICE BEFORE USING THIS INFORMATION. THIS FREE INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN VERIFIED BY ME AND IS PROVIDED SOLELY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES TO INDIVIDUALS INTERESTED IN THESE TOPICS. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot,
RE: CSIon Selective Electrode
Yes, please do. I have been trying to understand them for months. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com [SMTP:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:52 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSIon Selective Electrode Ivan (or anyone else): Please explain the workings of the Ion Selective Electrode. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAg + H2O2
(FACT) CS particles are positive charged, But is it the valence charge? or, caused by a yet not-well-understood reaction with the surrounding water and water ions? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:36 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSAg + H2O2 Maybe this is what is happening. 1. (FACT) Silver does not react with O2 under normal conditions. 2. (FACT) H2O2 will liberate O upon contact with some size/shapes of silver. 3. (FACT) CS particles are positive charged, O is highly negative charged. 4. (Maybe) the O particles neutralize the silver particle causing any clumps of silver particles to no longer clump together, they separate, then the O's find each other, make O2, which then bubbles off, and the silver particle is now broken up into smaller particles, and positive again. If that is the case, then H2O2 would be acting as a catalyst, and I believe this would explain everything. Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: - Original Message - From: rogalt...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, 17 June 2000 23:41 Subject: Re: CSAg + H2O2 In a message dated 6/17/00 2:50:59 AM EST, i...@win.co.nz writes: Hi folks, I originally thought that this reaction might be an indication of the metallic content (uncharged or slightly charged silver aggregates) of colloidal silver. This proved to be so in the tests I performed. Fred has attempted to refine the concept by quantifying the gas released, but unfortunately there is not a great deal of gas evolution, although there seems to be a gas phase which is plain to see. The silver - hydrogen peroxide catalytic effect really only occurs with high purity H2O2 ( 90%) being pumped through silver mesh. Ivan: This type of contact is hardly that which is occurring when (I believe 3%) H2O2 is added to freshly made CS. So how can anyone claim that (3%) peroxide can be used to identify metallic silver in CS? Also it's very confusing to me how the term catalyzed reaction is being used (probably not by you). I thought a catalyst is something that PROMOTES a reaction without TAKING PART in that reaction. The reaction below clearly show that silver is one of the reactants. On the other hand, is it not possible that silver DOES catalyze the reduction of (relatively unstable) H2O2? Your comments please. That is what I am saying Roger, this is not a catalytic reaction, but rather a relatively straight forward redox reaction. The catalytic reaction, as used in hydrogen peroxide rocket motors, induces a cascade reaction in the water producing heat and steam (theories on how this happens are not consistent). The silver does wear out in time. When I deliberately made a colloid that had a lot of sludge inclusion and was a deep gold colour, the introduction of H2O2 caused an immediate reaction in the form of many extremely small bubbles (made the sample look cloudy) and the colloid became clear. The ionic content was significantly higher after this reaction than before, as measured by Ion Selective Electrode. There was no such reaction with a light golden colloid which I know to be composed of a high proportion of ionic clusters (ISE ionic reading = AA total silver reading) and the concentration remained the essetially the same (slight increase). The plugging of the compounds into a couple of reaction predictors (the outputs of these are pasted into my post) confirms this evidence. Until the weight of evendence proves otherwise, this is my conclusion. H2O2 will oxidise metallic silver Ag 2(Ag) + H2O2 + 2H+ + 2e2(Ag+ + e) + 2H2O E(cell) = 0.977 V log K = 33.06168 K = 1.15e33 deltaG= -188.53169 kJ/mol but will not oxidise the silver ion Ag+ in a neutral or acid solution. In a basic solution H2O2 will reduce Ag+ by way of the hydroxyl ion OH- surfiet. Ivan: How basic (pH?) does the solution have to be to get this reaction to the right? I should think the reaction procedes as long as there are hydroxyl ions to donate electrons, and increases as the pH increases. The reaction may be self limiting as the pH will fall as the reaction procedes, by the look of it, but then may bounce back and forth about an equalibrium sucessively oxidising Ag and reducing the produced Ag+ until the H2O2 is exhausted, not sure. H2O2 + 2OH- + 2(Ag+ + e) O2 + 2H2O + 2e + 2(Ag) E(cell) = 0.945 V log K = 31.9788 K = 9.52e31 deltaG = -182.35665 kJ/mol -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to:
Re: CSOT AOL problems
brick...@aol.com wrote: I bought an ultrasonic mister which I add 1 T Cs to the water and run it all night. Be advised that then water evaporates from CS the CS aggregates into larger particles that will be black. Over time you may find the walls and articles in that room getting dingy, grey and eventually black. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNew list member with a another question
Third responder - coffee filters tend to ADD PPM of undesirable stuff, and the Brew Rite brand produces photosensitive silver salts! You will get a dark Cs mix if left in the sun for an hour! Guess your plants won't care, but don't drink it! f...@health2us.com At 03:26 AM 6/19/2000, you wrote: Filtration has with some CS in the past been shown to reduce PPM. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [SMTP:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2000 8:05 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSNew list member with a another question Don't be too quick to discard bad batches. Filter thru a coffee filter if you want to, and use it for household purposes. Plants, garbage cans, shower curtains, etc... Chuck 186,000 mps--it's not the law, it's just a challenge! On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:14:11 -0500, Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org wrote: I have read a few mailings that pertained to size of CS particles. I had become concerned(not a lot, however) that my solution , at times, did not look healthy. Whatever I mean by that--the solution at times became gray---even toward black--IF I left it running too long. Is there any danger in this that anyone knows? Or should I, when that happens, just throw out and start over--paying better attention to the time? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Your Last Comments on my HVAC CS were lost
In a message dated 6/19/00 11:32:47 AM EST, f...@health2us.com writes: Sorry touchy Roger, thought I was being conservative by saying my mentions and trace amount - I am not the only one in the world with unanswered questions about the logical possibility of nitrogen compounds formed in an air to water HV arc! I even went to two of Bruce Marx's sites, THE originator of the HVAC process, (he says so) to check his comments, but alas, he has weirder ideas then you! Even says LV Cs has a shelf life of only 2 days to 2 weeks - you might like him! Oh well, guess I asked for a slap! Fred: I also want to apologize. I think you caught me at a weak moment. Let's maintain a truce about nitrogen compounds (that is, neither of us will mention it again until I get back the nitrite analysis you asked for from my latest HVAC CS sample. BTW, that sample is from a 6 gallon ~11 PPM CS lot, so those results should reflect my HVAC CS for some time to come since I see no reason (except special cases like Lyme and similar tough bugs) to consume anything above 1 PPM of this product. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
Fred wrote: On Bruce Marx's site: There is constant reference to the 'yellow' or 'golden' color. As mentioned in the description of the DC process, this color is a result of the silver 'tarnishing'. (The accepted opinion is the particle size determines the color - below he oddly says the tarnishing makes it heavy and causes very short life due to settlement?) Yes, this is absolutely wrong. Tarnish is caused by reaction with sulfur. There is NO sulfur present in any of the processes. Colloidal silver produced by the HVAC process is pure, clean and clear...Particle size is between .002 to .007-9 micron, yielding 100% 'Bio-Availability' (Most of us are concerned about what contaminates in HVAC Cs cause the very low pH , so pure or clean is still questionable!) Is his HVAC CS low ph? Mine is essentially the same as the distilled water was that I started with, about 7. The flow of the current from the positive (anode) to the negative (cathode) causes minute particles of silver to release. Many particles will immediately oxidize and adhere to the negative electrode as a black residue (silver oxides), (The general opinion is they are atoms (reduced ions) and form weak, irregular crystal growths and thus the dark color.) Silver does not easily combine with oxygen, ie. O2. At the cathode O is formed which is very reactive and may to some extent produce silver oxide. I believe it is likely a combination of both silver particles and silver oxide on the cathode. Low voltage DC colloidal silver has a limited 'shelf life'. Due to the continuing oxidation of the suspended particles, the solution will turn to a yellow or golden color. That is wrong, silver does not react with O2 under normal conditions, plus silver oxide is not yellow, it is black. Marshall
Re: CSBruce Marx Web Site C/S or BS
In a message dated 6/19/00 11:39:31 AM EST, f...@health2us.com writes: Alvin said: Did anyone visit Bruce Marx's web site at http://colloidal.hypermart.net another great claim of superior C/S and why we shouldn't use the LVDC process...Is it BS or not? -- Well, I had not visited his site for years so I decided to review it for you Alvin - below are some questionable statements of his: (This is not a personal attack, text is taken in context from his widely published comparison of the LV and HVAC processes. My comments are in blue!) Bruce Marx is an N.D., a licensed Chief Engineer (CSPRO) He is the originator of the HVAC process (Many will argue that, unless Bruce is very, very old! Roger said HE re invented it 100 years too late!) Fred: Here goes picky me again, but this time I'll try to be more civil. First, I think David Ripley was marketing an HVAC CS machine before Bruce. Second, I never claimed I invented anything. I believe, if you'll check the record, I said I rediscovered the sputtered form of the HVAC CS process 100 years too late. Small detail perhaps, but you'll find the devil hidden in many mistaken/omitted details. There is constant reference to the 'yellow' or 'golden' color. As mentioned in the description of the DC process, this color is a result of the silver 'tarnishing'. (The accepted opinion is the particle size determines the color - below he oddly says the tarnishing makes it heavy and causes very short life due to settlement?) Colloidal silver produced by the HVAC process is pure, clean and clear...Particle size is between .002 to .007-9 micron, yielding 100% 'Bio-Availability' (Most of us are concerned about what contaminates in HVAC Cs cause the very low pH , so pure or clean is still questionable!) The flow of the current from the positive (anode) to the negative (cathode) causes minute particles of silver to release. Many particles will immediately oxidize and adhere to the negative electrode as a black residue (silver oxides), (The general opinion is they are atoms (reduced ions) and form weak, irregular crystal growths and thus the dark color.) Low voltage DC colloidal silver has a limited 'shelf life'. Due to the continuing oxidation of the suspended particles, the solution will turn to a yellow or golden color. During production, the particles are given a positive electrical charge. This keeps them in suspension by the principle of 'Brownian Motion'. The charge dissipates slowly. The increased weight caused by the build-up of oxidation, causes the particles to collide and, finally, with their charges weakening, settle to the bottom of the container. His recently updated main site says LVDC Cs has a shelf life of only 2 days to 2 weeks! (Most of this sounds really hoaky and many of us have stable samples of LVDC Cs well over a year old, to prove it!) Fred: I was wondering of the people who produce LVDC CS, what percentage of the time do they see a degradation (deeper color, black silver powder dropping out, etc.) of their product over time? Perhaps, Fred, you'd like to carry the ball on this one by repeating this question every time you post something. Respectfully, Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloids Ions Bio-availability was Your Last Comments on my HVAC CS we...
In a message dated 6/19/00 11:39:46 AM EST, f...@health2us.com writes: All matter effected by a HV arc discharge in air are NOT 100% contained by the plasma, without strong magnetic confinement, and thus appear in temperature zones down to ambient! f...@health2us.com Fred: Let me try to clear up a misunderstanding once and for all (OK so I'm an optimist). According to none other than Ivan, silver oxide will not form above 150 C. Now Fred, the time a given particle will find itself between 150 C and ambient temperature is so slight, AND the reaction kinetics are so poor in this temperature range that I'm willing to bet virtually no silver oxide will be produced. I'm considering preparing photomicrographs to support this conclusion. What are your plans? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT AOL problems
What is your DSMO source please? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: brick...@aol.com [SMTP:brick...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSOT AOL problems I couldn't even get on line on AOL. Called the manufacturer and for $25 they told me to get rid of AOL 5.0 and install AOL 4.0. This worked for a while and then it crashed. They told me a lot of people are having problems with AOL 5.0. I put 4 oz. of Cs in my hot tub. My boy had a leg injury (kicked by a horse) , which was looking ugly. He wouldn't try Cs on his own. All of a sudden the wound started looking better. I bought an ultrasonic mister which I add 1 T Cs to the water and run it all night. I also use Cs in my nose spray. I have been doing this about 3 weeks. My nose is still plugged up each morning. Not as bad as when I started. I also make a gel out of equal parts glycerin, 35% H2O2, Dmso, Cs and 3 times as much Aloe gel. I recently started to add the Cs to the gel. I am hoping that it will make the Cs stay on a wound longer. Brickey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew list member with a another question
Hi Marshall, On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:51:51 -0400, Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote: Discard grey or black. Particles are extremely large. I agree, they're yucky looking. But not harmful. When I'm not paying attention, I sometimes get an overdose of silver-oxide while making LV CS. But I dilute it and use it on plants (even though it's safe for humans and animals). -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew NIST Amalgam Material Contains No Mercury
Marshall If someone never had fillings replaced etc. it would eventually disappear (along with them). It usually takes 18 to 20 years to get the maximum benefit from the mercury levels in your body building up to the point the toxicity is noticeable. Most of my fillings had been in my mouth for 30+ years. When I was tested (using the same instrument OSHA uses for mercury vapor) I registered off the scale by over 50pts. (me 136 - top of scale 80) anything in the 2 to 3pt. range is considered by OSHA as unsafe in a work environment. Indicating to me that a considerable amount was still actively leaching out and adding to the accumulation in my body. Don't tell OSHA or they will come out and seal my mouth off. (many might think this is a pretty good idea, however). Also,I don't eat many large ocean fish - Tuna, Sword etc. either. Fish being the second major source of mercury poisoning for the general population. Dave Perkins enjoy being - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Re: CSNew NIST Amalgam Material Contains No Mercury Dave Perkins wrote: SNIPIf you have a metallic dental filling, you probably have a small amount of mercury in your mouth. I think 50 % mercury would be considered more than a small amount. I think what they are saying is that most of the mercury in the fillings has most likely leached out and is now in your body, thus only a small amount is left in your mouth. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSList owner observations...
Excellent political move James! Complete with denial too. Chuck Foreign aid is the transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries! On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:58:44 -0600, James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com wrote: Excellent review and commentary. I agree wholeheartedly. [not brown-nos*** to atone for recent faux-pas.] James Osbourne Holmes -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAntidotal (sp) Evidence
Bob wrote: He now spikes the family O.J. with CS so they all get it. It'll also keep the juice from going bad... tho it hardly ever stays around that long at our house! The word you're looking for, Bob, is 'anecdotal.' Thanks for the report! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHanna Meters
From the archives, on Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:51:16, M. G. Devour wrote (Re: the TDS-1 meter) My experience has been that the circuit is stable over time and, if you calibrate it at, say, 50 ppm or so, it will deliver reasonably accurate and repeatable measurements in the range in which we are interested. Erwin asks: Sounds like a winner. And just how do I go about calibrating it at, say, 50 ppm or so? Or better yet, at say 10 ppm? What do I use as a standard? My dear wife measured out table salt on an analytical balance at work. We dissolved it in a measured volume of water at room temperature. Thus I have a 250 ml bottle with 12.5 milligrams of salt in it, or 50 mg/liter, which is by definition the same as ppm. After it is calibrated, is it in a 1:1k relationship from zero up to 50ppm? I don't know if there is a zero offset, but good distilled water reads zero and I can easily see it climb gradually to 10 or whatever... The TDS-1 is good for repeatability between runs, but it is *NOT* a primary instrument. It can be calibrated to other measurements, but any number of things might affect the reading if you start changing your process. Does temperature affect the calibration? One of the nice things about the Hanna conductivity based meters is they are temperature compensated over a fairly wide range. A better choice is the Hanna PWT (Pure Water Tester). It's more expensive (~40 to 50 bucks), but has about 10 times the sensitivity of the TDS-1. So instead of trying to read in the bottom 1 percent of the instrument's range, you're at least in the bottom 10-20 percent. But again, either of these devices only measure conductivity, which is indirectly related to concentration with a lot of other possible variables thrown in. Useful for process control, but not all that valuable if you're already monitoring process current. Hope that helps. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMercury levels
Dave Perkins and all; I fished Tuna ,Swordfish and many other species for 30 years and have been through this nightmare many times . The main thing that you will find in most cases with these federal agencies and their regulations is that very few of them know what they are talking about . They go by a book written by some one who didn't know what they were talking about either . One would think that these pelagic species would be the least likely to pick up heavy metals considering where they live and feed in the open the open sea . I had a friend in the 60's who had some 24 tons of swordfish in storage in a freezer in Calif. The EPA removed his swordfish with no notice or court action and destroyed them saying the mercury level was to high . At the time they were worth $1200.or more a ton. About 3 mos. Later they found the intact Mammoths and other animals frozen on the north slope of Alaska . These were taken to the Smithsonian or other museums where tests revealed that the mercury levels of all of these animals were several times higher that that established by the regulators. The seizure was carried out under the color of law by people who had no authority to do so in any state. This is the thing about the benefits of CS you must find out the truth for yourself . Not only for CS but for all drugs . Best wishes to all Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew List
Please enter me on your list Bob Squires d.linen wrote: To subscribe to this group, send an email to: alt-health-rife-subscr...@egroups.com ~ Bob Howard is closing his rife-alt-health list tomorrow(6/20/00) I'm continuing it in a way at: http://www.egroups.com/alt-health-rife I'm sure it would have to go quite a way to be half as good as Mike's list here. The silver list is at the top of my favorite lists. But if anyone is interested, drop on by. There are no particular rules other than respecting each other. I must be crazy because the silver list is fantastic and I can't improve on it at all. That really isn't my purpose; I'm just opening a forum for further discussions on alternative health issues. Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Lyme
Hi Marshall, I was wondering if your sister stopped all herbs, vitamins and other supplements while using the Sota units due to electroporation issues or if she kept taking supplements? Some say it is OK to take supplements after using the units I think but not to take them before. Have you heard of the units by Michael Forrester? A woman on another list says his units have the option of using 100hz which does not cause electroporation. Do you know anything about that? Thanks, Christy Thanks, Christyn a message dated 6/19/00 8:10:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: Subj: Re: CSCS and Lyme Date: 6/19/00 8:10:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: mdud...@execonn.com (Marshall Dudley) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com I belive that you will find that CS alone will not be able to get to all the Lyme bacteria, they are really good at hiding in the brain, lymph system and cartlidge after you have had it long term. I would suggest using the full 4 step protocol of Bob Beck's for a rapid and complete recovery. His protocol uses CS, ozonated water, blood electrification (I use Clark's zapper though), and magnetic zapping. CS alone helped my sister get to about 80% from her Lyme, but it took all four for a complete cure. See http://rarebooks.net/beck.html and http://www.sota-inc.com Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew list member with a question
As you raised an issue which concerned the use of colloidal silver in a negative light, surely one might be expected to inquire further as to the legitimacy of the claim. sincerely, Ivan Anderson. That issue I raised was not an attack on CS, but simply an observation I made of my own personal experience. I honestly hope CS is a miracle worker WITHOUT an serious side effects. I certainly drank enough of it and recomended others to do so as well. That is why I joined this forum. and as I am a pharmacology student with a consuming interest in matters health, and hold the belief that an healthy energy matrix is intimately involved in good health, you can see why I am keen to find some more detailed account of the subjects raised. I thought you might be young(are you?). As for your consuming interest--that is great--just keep an open mind. You are a strong individual with a keen intellect, but without the open-mindedness you can only go so far. I wish you the best in your search. PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: cancer treatment
Dave, I am really impressed with your program of treatment for your disease. Thanks for sharing it with us. diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKawasaki/ Dotsie
I have a silly question. Does the cottage cheese need to be the plain or can I use the kind flavored with real fruit (to kill any ucky taste)? - Original Message - From: Todd Horton tod...@wireco.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 11:35 AM Subject: Re: CSKawasaki/ Dotsie On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:04:10 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Dr. Budwig in Germany has used some simple food to cure a lot of real serious medical conditions: Cancer, diabetes, liver disease, and many more. Its quite simple: Water soluable oil is needed to cary oxygen to cells of the body so it can heal itself. The best one is flax oil. It must be taken with cottage cheese to energize it. Read her book, how does cottage cheese do this.? Flaxoil as a true aid against arthritis, heart infarction, cancer and the flaxoil I have heard of but the cheese is a new one. other diseases. Dr Johanna Budwig. Also, in Optimal Wellnes by Dr Ralph Golan. These simple foods are so plain that anyone can add them to their food intake with no concern. Two tablespoons of flax oit with three tablespoons of cottage cheese is all that is needed each day. The above diseases were cleared up in 3 months. I think it would help. Al -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Just another breath of air...whew!
In a message dated 6*19*00 2:59:06 PM, Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org writes: actually, I am just a fan of truth---though no one person has the edge on that). Pam, Where do you/did you teach? Was that posted earlier on? I wish I were one of your students. Well, that was fun even if I did lose my audience a few hundred paragraphs ago. You didn't lose me! I'm here applauding. Love, Kathy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Lyme
ritz3...@aol.com wrote: Hi Marshall, I was wondering if your sister stopped all herbs, vitamins and other supplements while using the Sota units due to electroporation issues or if she kept taking supplements? Some say it is OK to take supplements after using the units I think but not to take them before. She used the Sota ozonator and pulsar, but used my CS and Hulda Clark's zapper. She only avoided garlic as far as I know. Have you heard of the units by Michael Forrester? A woman on another list says his units have the option of using 100hz which does not cause electroporation. Do you know anything about that? I don't think the Clark zapper causes electroporation either. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHanna Meters
From the archives, on Tue, 18 Apr 2000 06:51:16, M. G. Devour wrote (Re: the TDS-1 meter) My experience has been that the circuit is stable over time and, if you calibrate it at, say, 50 ppm or so, it will deliver reasonably accurate and repeatable measurements in the range in which we are interested. Sounds like a winner. And just how do I go about calibrating it at, say, 50 ppm or so? Or better yet, at say 10 ppm? What do I use as a standard? Can I use a 1/4 watt resistor to calibrate it? Do I set it to read 50 at 50 ppm or is there a 'k' factor? What is the k? What value resistor ? After it is calibrated, is it in a 1:1k relationship from zero up to 50ppm? Does temperature affect the calibration? My Laboratory is located in an unheated (and uncooled) building that varies from 35 degrees in the winter to about 100 degrees for the next few months? For the record, I am now using a Collgen-2 unit with a fish tank bubbler and it allegedly cuts off at 5ppm. Convenient, but I won't have a warm feeling until I can measure the output. (and probably modify the circuit). Erwin -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew List
Bob Howard is closing his rife-alt-health list tomorrow(6/20/00) I'm continuing it in a way at: http://www.egroups.com/alt-health-rife I'm sure it would have to go quite a way to be half as good as Mike's list here. The silver list is at the top of my favorite lists. But if anyone is interested, drop on by. There are no particular rules other than respecting each other. I must be crazy because the silver list is fantastic and I can't improve on it at all. That really isn't my purpose; I'm just opening a forum for further discussions on alternative health issues. Diane Why is he closing his list? And you certainly seem to be right. There is quite an energy flowing in this list. By the way, are you familiar with the Stop The Poisons list. Someone was suppose to sed me an invitation. I haven't received such. Also, having problems with me internet access, in case you are wondering why I don't just look it up there. Thanks. PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKawasaki/ Dotsie
Thanks for the advice. I have a small problem. I went out and bought the plain cottage cheese and mixed it with the flax oil and then tried to eat it. First, I don't like cottage cheese, and second, it tastes really bad with the flax oil. Now I know why it helps to kill the bacteria. Its the taste Uck, Uck, Uck!! I don't think I can get it down, if you know what I mean. Ok, maybe I can see if I can take the flax oil, just by itself. Maybe this will help something. - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 10:12 PM Subject: Re: CSKawasaki/ Dotsie I have a silly question. Does the cottage cheese need to be the plain or can I use the kind flavored with real fruit (to kill any ucky taste)? That is not a silly question at all. I cannot find the book. It had belonged to my father.However, I do remember him saying that it should be consumed on an empty stomach. It seems that that would rule out that use of cottage cheese with flavors--due to the sugar content. I also remember him saying that the proportion of cottage cheese to Flax Seed Oil is very important. too.Be sure the flax oil is fresh (no older that 3 mo.). There is a great distributor for Cleinosan's Flax Seed Oil---always guaranteed frrresh. The company is called Nature's Distributors--1-800-624-7114. Perhaps the rules have changed on the above recommendations. If anyone knows for sure I would I appreciate the info also. In Search of TRUTH Always, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew List
Diane, I would appreciate it if you would also enter me on the list you mentioned---forgot to ask in last e-mail. Thanks. PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKawasaki/ Dotsie
I have a silly question. Does the cottage cheese need to be the plain or can I use the kind flavored with real fruit (to kill any ucky taste)? That is not a silly question at all. I cannot find the book. It had belonged to my father.However, I do remember him saying that it should be consumed on an empty stomach. It seems that that would rule out that use of cottage cheese with flavors--due to the sugar content. I also remember him saying that the proportion of cottage cheese to Flax Seed Oil is very important. too.Be sure the flax oil is fresh (no older that 3 mo.). There is a great distributor for Cleinosan's Flax Seed Oil---always guaranteed frrresh. The company is called Nature's Distributors--1-800-624-7114. Perhaps the rules have changed on the above recommendations. If anyone knows for sure I would I appreciate the info also. In Search of TRUTH Always, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSList owner observations...
Another great---and true---tag Chuck. It really was a mistake; although I suspect such would not offend M. I respect the mind control disabilities of many people. Have you seen this one? People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [SMTP:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 2:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSList owner observations... Excellent political move James! Complete with denial too. Chuck Foreign aid is the transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries! On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:58:44 -0600, James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com wrote: Excellent review and commentary. I agree wholeheartedly. [not brown-nos*** to atone for recent faux-pas.] James Osbourne Holmes -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNY Board of Health checked my CS!!!!
Hi, Well, the NY Board of Health checked my Colloidal Silver last Friday. The doctor said to my nephew, do you know that this can turn a person blue (expected typical response). When they ruled out that CS could be the reason for the symptoms that the baby had, they went ahead with the intravenous immune globulin treatment and he responded favorably right away. For anyone who is not familiar with Kawasaki Disease, the treatment must be given within ten days or there is a risk of heart disease - untreated patients develop weak coronary arteries. A caution to parents with small children - an association between exposure to rug shampooing and Kawasaki disease has not been confirmed in recent studies. Kawasaki disease is now the leading cause of acquired heart disease in children in the United States. Rheumatic fever used to be the leading cause of acquired heart disease in children. There is no specific lab test that definitively diagnoses Kawasaki disease. The diagnosis is established by meeting certain criteria. Because of my experience with this whole affair and the fact that this disease seems to be rampant, I would recommend taking precaution when giving colloidal silver to children under the age of two. I believe that it may have masked some of the symptoms that the doctors were looking for before they treated him for the disease. His eyes were clear and there were no enlarged lymph nodes (which I attribute to the CS taken orally and in ears) so they thought he had something else and delayed treatment for a few days. As a matter of fact, the doctor saw him on a Friday and diagnosed an ear infection and when he went to the emergency room on Monday (last week), the ear infection was gone. There was a three month old baby in the crib next to my nephew who was not so lucky - they waited 14 days before treating and he has heart damage already. We will never know how much the colloidal silver would have helped if continued. Thanks to all who offered kind words and support - I really appreciate it. Dotsie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS and Lyme
Re: Electroporation Does it work will all drugs and, er...herbs? There may be a vast un-developed market out there James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 6:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSCS and Lyme ritz3...@aol.com wrote: Hi Marshall, I was wondering if your sister stopped all herbs, vitamins and other supplements while using the Sota units due to electroporation issues or if she kept taking supplements? Some say it is OK to take supplements after using the units I think but not to take them before. She used the Sota ozonator and pulsar, but used my CS and Hulda Clark's zapper. She only avoided garlic as far as I know. Have you heard of the units by Michael Forrester? A woman on another list says his units have the option of using 100hz which does not cause electroporation. Do you know anything about that? I don't think the Clark zapper causes electroporation either. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMercury levels
Thanks for the information. I am only going by what I have seen published (over the years - I don't have a ready source) and by what I have been told by holistic dentists. I would be interested in whatever you have that would erase this perception. I always understood that because they were at the top of the food chain and were usually quite large (old) when they were caught that Tuna and Swordfish had concentrated many of the toxins from the years of eating smaller fish and other critters. As hard a job as I understand that this type of fishing is, it is easy to see why you would be so outraged by Govt. seizure of anyone's catch, especially if there was no evidence of high levels of contaminants. Dave Perkins enjoy being You don't think maybe the mammoths were originally swordfish eaters do you? :0) - Original Message - From: Bob Squires rj...@dialnet.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 6:51 PM Subject: CSMercury levels Dave Perkins and all; I fished Tuna ,Swordfish and many other species for 30 years and have been through this nightmare many times . The main thing that you will find in most cases with these federal agencies and their regulations is that very few of them know what they are talking about . They go by a book written by some one who didn't know what they were talking about either . One would think that these pelagic species would be the least likely to pick up heavy metals considering where they live and feed in the open the open sea . I had a friend in the 60's who had some 24 tons of swordfish in storage in a freezer in Calif. The EPA removed his swordfish with no notice or court action and destroyed them saying the mercury level was to high . At the time they were worth $1200.or more a ton. About 3 mos. Later they found the intact Mammoths and other animals frozen on the north slope of Alaska . These were taken to the Smithsonian or other museums where tests revealed that the mercury levels of all of these animals were several times higher that that established by the regulators. The seizure was carried out under the color of law by people who had no authority to do so in any state. This is the thing about the benefits of CS you must find out the truth for yourself . Not only for CS but for all drugs . Best wishes to all Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSKawasaki/ Dotsie
Try sipping a little MSM beforehand. The other will probably taste great. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Quiksassy [SMTP:quiksa...@home.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 8:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSKawasaki/ Dotsie Thanks for the advice. I have a small problem. I went out and bought the plain cottage cheese and mixed it with the flax oil and then tried to eat it. First, I don't like cottage cheese, and second, it tastes really bad with the flax oil. Now I know why it helps to kill the bacteria. Its the taste Uck, Uck, Uck!! I don't think I can get it down, if you know what I mean. Ok, maybe I can see if I can take the flax oil, just by itself. Maybe this will help something. - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 10:12 PM Subject: Re: CSKawasaki/ Dotsie I have a silly question. Does the cottage cheese need to be the plain or can I use the kind flavored with real fruit (to kill any ucky taste)? That is not a silly question at all. I cannot find the book. It had belonged to my father.However, I do remember him saying that it should be consumed on an empty stomach. It seems that that would rule out that use of cottage cheese with flavors--due to the sugar content. I also remember him saying that the proportion of cottage cheese to Flax Seed Oil is very important. too.Be sure the flax oil is fresh (no older that 3 mo.). There is a great distributor for Cleinosan's Flax Seed Oil---always guaranteed frrresh. The company is called Nature's Distributors--1-800-624-7114. Perhaps the rules have changed on the above recommendations. If anyone knows for sure I would I appreciate the info also. In Search of TRUTH Always, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFw: CSNew List
Diane i would like to be part of the list also. Thanks Dave Perkins - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 10:03 PM Subject: Re: CSNew List Diane, I would appreciate it if you would also enter me on the list you mentioned---forgot to ask in last e-mail. Thanks. PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCMO OT
Hi. I was wondering if CMO is ever taken long term or if it is only taken for about 30 days to 6 weeks? Also, does anyone know if it is dangerous to take long term? I am wondering what the mechanism of action is. I have heard and read different theories/possiblilities. These induce that the CMO took away arthritis that had been induced in rats in an experiment by injecting them with a mycobacterium? Are others aware of this? Could the CMO have antibiotic properties? Thanks, Christy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAg + H2O2
Further FACTS for you Marshall: H2O2 will liberate O upon contact with many metals! All surfaces were cleaned with separate SS brushes, except the copper oxide test on a PC board. (using the same brush, made plastic foam, if done after silver!) 35% H2O2 on solder (lead/tin) = very fast bubble formation silver bar 80% of speed Aluminum60% copper oxide 50% pure copper40% Stainless steel 0. 1% finely divided silver (evaporate Cs to a moist sludge or apply to the sludge on the negative electrode) Extremely rapid to the point of forming a mist and evaporation of remaining H2O2 (boils off!). This is clearly an exothermic reaction! f...@health2us.com At 10:56 AM 6/19/2000, you wrote: Maybe this is what is happening. 1. (FACT) Silver does not react with O2 under normal conditions. 2. (FACT) H2O2 will liberate O upon contact with some size/shapes of silver. 3. (FACT) CS particles are positive charged, O is highly negative charged. 4. (Maybe) the O particles neutralize the silver particle causing any clumps of silver particles to no longer clump together, they separate, then the O's find each other, make O2, which then bubbles off, and the silver particle is now broken up into smaller particles, and positive again. If that is the case, then H2O2 would be acting as a catalyst, and I believe this would explain everything. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMarsha ppm lyme,mycoplasma fermentnas incognitus
Hi Marsha (and all), I have been meaning to email you...don't have your address handy though. But, I think you said you use 18ppm for the lyme? Do you have an instrument that measures the ppm? Where does one find those? Does you cs look kind of gold? If you want an 18 ppm as opposed to say 5 ppm do you need to have the cs cooking for a few more minutes? I think I have been making about 5ppm and it looks clear but when I let it cook about an extra 5 minutes (in addition to the normal 15 I do which I think makes about 5ppm) it then has a definite goldish cast to it...at that point do you think it is closer to 18 ppm? I have been thinking maybe I should do 5ppm once a day and then take 18 ppm another time during the day to get both in case one is better etc. I heard 5ppm is good for the Mycoplasma fermentans incognitus which I was positive for. But, I am also positive for lyme. Well, I feel like I am forgetting something but obviously can't remember what. Oh...I know...is it OK to make and store or best to make and use right away? Do you make just enough to use or do you end up having to throw some away? Thanks, Christy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Lyme
Hi again, Thanks for your reply. Can you or anyone else tell me what is supposed to be so bad about garlic? Everything I have read about it is very good. Thanks, Christy In a message dated 6/19/00 5:14:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: She used the Sota ozonator and pulsar, but used my CS and Hulda Clark's zapper. She only avoided garlic as far as I know. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAg + H2O2
The breaking down of H2O2 is exothermic, that is why it can be used as a rocket fuel, H2O2 + catalyst = steam + oxygen. Marshall Fred wrote: Further FACTS for you Marshall: H2O2 will liberate O upon contact with many metals! All surfaces were cleaned with separate SS brushes, except the copper oxide test on a PC board. (using the same brush, made plastic foam, if done after silver!) 35% H2O2 on solder (lead/tin) = very fast bubble formation silver bar 80% of speed Aluminum60% copper oxide 50% pure copper40% Stainless steel 0. 1% finely divided silver (evaporate Cs to a moist sludge or apply to the sludge on the negative electrode) Extremely rapid to the point of forming a mist and evaporation of remaining H2O2 (boils off!). This is clearly an exothermic reaction! f...@health2us.com At 10:56 AM 6/19/2000, you wrote: Maybe this is what is happening. 1. (FACT) Silver does not react with O2 under normal conditions. 2. (FACT) H2O2 will liberate O upon contact with some size/shapes of silver. 3. (FACT) CS particles are positive charged, O is highly negative charged. 4. (Maybe) the O particles neutralize the silver particle causing any clumps of silver particles to no longer clump together, they separate, then the O's find each other, make O2, which then bubbles off, and the silver particle is now broken up into smaller particles, and positive again. If that is the case, then H2O2 would be acting as a catalyst, and I believe this would explain everything. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
Hi Marsha and all, A couple more questions...smile. I think you said in the past you are on both Lyme-aid and also sci.med (or something like that...another lyme list). I have noticed that on the Lyme-aid list their is a lyme doctor named Lynn who posts a lot. Is she also on the sci.med list? Also, can you tell me if you get as many posts on the sci.med list and also if they discuss many alternative treamtnets for lyme on that list or not and if the list is pretty treatment focused? Also, wondering if you can tell me what the cyst form of lyme means? Thanks a lot. I appreciate all your help and input as well as everyone's on this list. Christy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScottage cheese flax Yummy recipe
Hi everyone, Concerning the taste of flax and cottage cheese here is what I do. I get the low fat cottage cheese from Alta Dena dairy. I use the Flora brand of flax oil because I know they ship it with a cold pack. I put the cottage cheese in the bowl with a hole in the center to add the oil. I put in the oil then add about 1/8-1/4 tsp. of ground cinnamon powder. Mix all together and eat. This completely covers the taste of the oil, and I love cinnamon. Try it and let me know. Many Blessings, Sande Julian Contact Reflex Analysis Practitioner http://www.choosecra.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKawasaki/ Dotsie
Thanks for the advice. I have a small problem. I went out and bought the plain cottage cheese and mixed it with the flax oil and then tried to eat it. First, I don't like cottage cheese, and second, it tastes really bad with the flax oil. Now I know why it helps to kill the bacteria. Its the taste Uck, Uck, Uck!! I don't think I can get it down, if you know what I mean. Ok, maybe I can see if I can take the flax oil, just by itself. Maybe this will help something. I think that catolog I mentioned sells a capsule that also supplies the needed sulphur. You would have to call them and ask if this is true. PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew list member with a another question
Third responder - coffee filters tend to ADD PPM of undesirable stuff, and the Brew Rite brand produces photosensitive silver salts! You will get a dark Cs mix if left in the sun for an hour! Guess your plants won't care, but don't drink it! f...@health2us.com Thanks. I'll consider that. I'm sure my plants will love me for it anyway! PG -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and Lyme
Hi Christy The setting on the blood purifier to stop the electroporation issue is the pyramid wave setting..it can be used at 4hz or 100hz. It's a gentler slope of the waveform which reduces the risk of electroporation but takes a little longer...I use the 4hz pyramid wave and it works fine. It's worked so well for me that now I can't find anything else to cure! be well.. A.Rose ritz3...@aol.com wrote: Hi Marshall, I was wondering if your sister stopped all herbs, vitamins and other supplements while using the Sota units due to electroporation issues or if she kept taking supplements? Some say it is OK to take supplements after using the units I think but not to take them before. Have you heard of the units by Michael Forrester? A woman on another list says his units have the option of using 100hz which does not cause electroporation. Do you know anything about that? Thanks, Christy Thanks, Christyn a message dated 6/19/00 8:10:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: Subj: Re: CSCS and Lyme Date: 6/19/00 8:10:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: mdud...@execonn.com (Marshall Dudley) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com I belive that you will find that CS alone will not be able to get to all the Lyme bacteria, they are really good at hiding in the brain, lymph system and cartlidge after you have had it long term. I would suggest using the full 4 step protocol of Bob Beck's for a rapid and complete recovery. His protocol uses CS, ozonated water, blood electrification (I use Clark's zapper though), and magnetic zapping. CS alone helped my sister get to about 80% from her Lyme, but it took all four for a complete cure. See http://rarebooks.net/beck.html and http://www.sota-inc.com Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Just another breath of air...whew!
In a message dated 6*19*00 2:59:06 PM, Pamela Grant pjgr...@northnet.org writes: actually, I am just a fan of truth---though no one person has the edge on that). Pam, Where do you/did you teach? Was that posted earlier on? I wish I were one of your students. Well, that was fun even if I did lose my audience a few hundred paragraphs ago. You didn't lose me! I'm here applauding. Love, Kathy Thank you for the most wonderful comment. I miss my students dearly. They were a great joy, not to mention equally a pain. Of course I have a longer version to your e-mail. I am trying to bite my tongue(or would that be keys on my keyboard? PG) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS***OTMarsha-lymelists,cyst form of lyme
Marsha, did you keep Candace's protocol that you might share with Christy. I have it but not right where I can find it. Deb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
