Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning/Richard

[bbanever]

According to Waiora, the manufacturer of liquid Zeolite, it is completely 
non toxic and safe to give to a child.  Just to be sure, please contact 
them, they'd be happy to answer your question.
- Original Message - 
From: "Richard" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning


Bob, would Zeolite IMO be alright to give to a child ? thanks- Richard
On 27/06/2007, at 16:40, bbanever wrote:


Leslie,

The absolute best way to detox from mercury or other heavy  metals is 
with liquid Zeolite IMO.  It worked like a miracle for  me I was 
poisoned after having an amalgam filling removed.  I  thought I was losing 
my mind I used PCA Rx which did help but  after several weeks and 
three bottles I still had residual effects  and didn't know what to do. 
Jim Howenstein MD told be to use  zeolite and it worked like a charm  I 
took 10 drops three times a  day for two weeks after five days I felt 
completely normal  although I completed the two weeks.  Unfortunately, it 
is sold via  MLM but please don't let that deter you this stuff is 
worth  it's weight in gold. Here is a link if you want more info or to 
purchase... or just Google it.


http://my.waiora.com/home.php?950148

Best of luck to you.

Bob
- Original Message - From: "Leslie"  
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon


I am somewhat confused as to the best way to detox mercury from my  body. 
Am I thinking right about getting ozone in my body will do  this 
completely, or rather the best way to go about this? Poisoned  with 
mercury!


Thanks,
Leslie
- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote"  
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon





 Oxygen IS the free radical.
Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2]
When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in  Hydrogen 
Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra  oxygen that will 
join another one making O2 as a part of that  molecule "burning" it, or 
sucking an Oxygen atom off  virtually  anything it contacts, especially 
organic molecules.


O3 [Ozone] will rot the tires right off your car.
H2O2 burns germs AND everything else.  That's why 100% H2O2 is as 
dangerous as any strong acid.


In the body, it's probably other radical configurations that do  damage 
but the mechanism is probably the same, based on the same  principle.
If one radical meets another but different radical, there will be  a 
battle over which molecule winds up with that extra Oxygen  atom.  Could 
also be neither and an O2 molecule released.


 Both will be changed one way or another.  Changed into *what*,  is the 
question.  Is that *what* what you want, or something you  don't?  What 
sort of other seek and destroy mission happens when  there are too many 
of either?


I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced  into the 
body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free  radicals there and by 
killing off weaker cells to stimulate  growth of new ones to replace 
them...but.. over doing it could  also be big trouble.


 A cancer cell and a cell undergoing DNA changes due to a virus 
invasion is generally weaker than an accurately made one  and I  can 
imagine that healthy cells are pretty resilient...like a tire.

 So, imagine cleaning bug juice off your tires with a sand blaster.
 The tire won't be shiny when you get done, rough raw rubber with  some 
of the good rubber gone...but it will be very clean and  ready for an 
application of 'tire shine' .


'Oxygen' != (does not equal) 'oxidant'
 [Also doesn't equal anti oxident, sez that rusty nail. ]

Also, ozone != smog
 [Smog is  pollutants changed  *by* Ozone, not Ozone.  Ozone is  just 
"fat" Oxygen.   Ozone does the same thing to lung tissue and  just about 
any other organic molecule it contacts..hopefully,  harmful unstable 
organic molecules first.  That stuff will eat  the cord right off your 
hand drill as the drill motor brushes  arcing produces it]


Like alcohol is always toxic and destructive, a little bit of 
destruction can be a help to reconstruction.  But somebody sober  has to 
drive that big street sweeper or it'll wind up watching TV  with you in 
your living room after it installs a big ragged  picture window in the 
wall.


Ode


At 12:22 PM 6/26/2007 +0100, you wrote:

So oxygen is not the thing that causes free radicals, as I  always 
thought?

Dee

    -- 

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why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.>

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Re: CS>re Liquid Zeolite FAQ and links/Duncan Crow and All

[bbanever]

Folks,

  Here are some links to answer your questions on liquid zeolite.  I 
hope this helps.  I'm still trying to locate the study using NCD (zeolite) 
to detox from DU.  I will post when I get it.


http://www.liquidzeolite.org/

http://www.zeoliteinfo.com/

http://www.zeoliteautismstudy.com/home/

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james48.htm
- Original Message - 
From: "Duncan Crow" 

To: "Smitty" ; 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning



I also found enough caution to deter me from getting in on the
ground floor of zeolite marketing. In my view it could be
beneficial to some people but I note that many healthy people
have never been exposed to zeolite. Moreover, we can cure disease
without it quite readily with supps and approaches we know more
about.

Duncan

On 27 Jun 2007 at 7:35, Smitty wrote:



I googled Zeolite and found this =

http://www.cqs.com/zeolite.htm

any thoughts on this negative slant ?

Smitty



On 6/27/07, bbanever  wrote:
> Leslie,
>
>  The absolute best way to detox from mercury or other heavy metals 
> is
> with liquid Zeolite IMO.  It worked like a miracle for me I was 
> poisoned
> after having an amalgam filling removed.  I thought I was losing my 
> mind
> I used PCA Rx which did help but after several weeks and three bottles 
> I
> still had residual effects and didn't know what to do.  Jim Howenstein 
> MD
> told be to use zeolite and it worked like a charm  I took 10 drops 
> three

> times a day for two weeks after five days I felt completely normal
> although I completed the two weeks.  Unfortunately, it is sold via MLM 
> but
> please don't let that deter you this stuff is worth it's weight in 
> gold.
> Here is a link if you want more info or to purchase... or just Google 
> it.

>
> http://my.waiora.com/home.php?950148
>
> Best of luck to you.
>
> Bob
> - Original Message -
> From: "Leslie" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:28 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon
>
>
> >I am somewhat confused as to the best way to detox mercury from my 
> >body. Am
> >I thinking right about getting ozone in my body will do this 
> >completely, or

> >rather the best way to go about this? Poisoned with mercury!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Leslie
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ode Coyote" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>  Oxygen IS the free radical.
> >> Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2]
> >> When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in 
> >> Hydrogen
> >> Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra oxygen that will 
> >> join
> >> another one making O2 as a part of that molecule "burning" it, or 
> >> sucking
> >> an Oxygen atom off  virtually anything it contacts, especially 
> >> organic

> >> molecules.
> >>
> >> O3 [Ozone] will rot the tires right off your car.
> >> H2O2 burns germs AND everything else.  That's why 100% H2O2 is as
> >> dangerous as any strong acid.
> >>
> >> In the body, it's probably other radical configurations that do 
> >> damage

> >> but the mechanism is probably the same, based on the same principle.
> >> If one radical meets another but different radical, there will be a
> >> battle over which molecule winds up with that extra Oxygen atom. 
> >> Could

> >> also be neither and an O2 molecule released.
> >>
> >>  Both will be changed one way or another.  Changed into *what*, is 
> >> the
> >> question.  Is that *what* what you want, or something you don't? 
> >> What
> >> sort of other seek and destroy mission happens when there are too 
> >> many of

> >> either?
> >>
> >> I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced into 
> >> the
> >> body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free radicals there and 
> >> by

> >> killing off weaker cells to stimulate growth of new ones to replace
> >> them...but.. over doing it could also be big trouble.
> >>
> >>  A cancer cell and a cell undergoing DNA changes due to a virus 
> >> invasion
> >> is generally weaker than an accurately made one  and I can imagine 
> >> that

> >> healthy cells are pretty resilient...like a tire.
> >>  So, imagine cleaning bug juice off your tires with a sand blaster.
> >>  The tire won't be shiny when you get done, rough raw rubber with 
> >> some of

> >> the good rubber gone...but it will be very clean and ready for an
> >> application of 'tire shine' .
> >>
> >> 'Oxygen' != (does not equal) 'oxidant'
> >>  [Also doesn't equal anti oxident, sez that rusty nail. ]
> >>
> >> Also, ozone != smog
> >>  [Smog is  pollutants changed  *by* Ozone, not Ozone.  Ozone is just
> >> "fat" Oxygen.   Ozone does the same thing to lung tissue and just 
> >> about

> >> any other organic molecule it contacts..hopefully, harmful unstable
> >> organic molecules first.  That stuff will eat the cord right off 
> >> you

Re: CS>Lump in hand disappears

[dd611]

Could it be a fatty lipoma?
Dennis

craehow...@juno.com wrote:


No sure!  One Doc said calcium the other said a jelly filled center.  
It felt hard and was about the size of a large pea. 

 


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Re: CS>Re: homozon

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Search Google for detox recipes using Cilantro.Discovered by Y. 
Omura, MD and increasingly well-known.



On Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007, at 23:28 Asia/Tokyo, Leslie wrote:

I am somewhat confused as to the best way to detox mercury from my 
body.



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Re: CS>Re: homozon

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Again, very good analogies here.

Cheers.


On Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007, at 21:20 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:


** Make no mistake.
 Ozone WILL burn healthy tissues and so will Hydrogen Peroxide.  
Unhealthy tissues burn more easily, like tinder compared to oak beams.
It's use *can* be practical, similar to sanding a wall to prep it for 
a new coat of cellular paint, but you can also sand that wall to dust. 
 The high dilution of both is akin to using fine 400 grit sandpaper on 
a hand sanding block vs course 80 grit on a belt sander.



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Re: CS>Re: homozon

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Yours was a very useful overview, Ode.   My thinking on this is pretty 
much the same:  it's not an "all or nothing" situation.   The key 
question is:  when and how often should one use O3 or H202,  and in 
what quantities, and for what purposes?


If applied kinesiology were easier to conduct on oneself,  it might be 
possible to get some of these answers.   I'm still searching for proper 
tools . . .





On Wednesday, Jun 27, 2007, at 20:53 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:

I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced into 
the body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free radicals there 
and by killing off weaker cells to stimulate growth of new ones to 
replace them...but.. over doing it could also be big trouble.



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Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning/Leslie

[bbanever]

I didn't take CS for my mercury poisoning, nor was I taking it prior to my 
episode.
- Original Message - 
From: "Leslie" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning


Did taking CS help or hinder with the mercury in your system? May I ask 
what all symptoms you had? Someone delibertly poisoned me and I also have 
mercury fillings. Was thinking to have one cut out since the cap came off! 
Guess I better wait.


Thanks,
Leslie- Original Message - 
From: "bbanever" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning



Leslie,

The absolute best way to detox from mercury or other heavy metals is 
with liquid Zeolite IMO.  It worked like a miracle for me I was 
poisoned after having an amalgam filling removed.  I thought I was losing 
my mind I used PCA Rx which did help but after several weeks and 
three bottles I still had residual effects and didn't know what to do. 
Jim Howenstein MD told be to use zeolite and it worked like a charm  I 
took 10 drops three times a day for two weeks after five days I felt 
completely normal although I completed the two weeks.  Unfortunately, it 
is sold via MLM but please don't let that deter you this stuff is 
worth it's weight in gold. Here is a link if you want more info or to 
purchase... or just Google it.


http://my.waiora.com/home.php?950148

Best of luck to you.

Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Leslie" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon


I am somewhat confused as to the best way to detox mercury from my body. 
Am I thinking right about getting ozone in my body will do this 
completely, or rather the best way to go about this? Poisoned with 
mercury!


Thanks,
Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon





 Oxygen IS the free radical.
Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2]
When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in Hydrogen 
Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra oxygen that will 
join another one making O2 as a part of that molecule "burning" it, or 
sucking an Oxygen atom off  virtually anything it contacts, especially 
organic molecules.


O3 [Ozone] will rot the tires right off your car.
H2O2 burns germs AND everything else.  That's why 100% H2O2 is as 
dangerous as any strong acid.


In the body, it's probably other radical configurations that do damage 
but the mechanism is probably the same, based on the same principle.
If one radical meets another but different radical, there will be a 
battle over which molecule winds up with that extra Oxygen atom.  Could 
also be neither and an O2 molecule released.


 Both will be changed one way or another.  Changed into *what*, is the 
question.  Is that *what* what you want, or something you don't?  What 
sort of other seek and destroy mission happens when there are too many 
of either?


I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced into the 
body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free radicals there and by 
killing off weaker cells to stimulate growth of new ones to replace 
them...but.. over doing it could also be big trouble.


 A cancer cell and a cell undergoing DNA changes due to a virus 
invasion is generally weaker than an accurately made one  and I can 
imagine that healthy cells are pretty resilient...like a tire.

 So, imagine cleaning bug juice off your tires with a sand blaster.
 The tire won't be shiny when you get done, rough raw rubber with some 
of the good rubber gone...but it will be very clean and ready for an 
application of 'tire shine' .


'Oxygen' != (does not equal) 'oxidant'
 [Also doesn't equal anti oxident, sez that rusty nail. ]

Also, ozone != smog
 [Smog is  pollutants changed  *by* Ozone, not Ozone.  Ozone is just 
"fat" Oxygen.   Ozone does the same thing to lung tissue and just about 
any other organic molecule it contacts..hopefully, harmful unstable 
organic molecules first.  That stuff will eat the cord right off your 
hand drill as the drill motor brushes arcing produces it]


Like alcohol is always toxic and destructive, a little bit of 
destruction can be a help to reconstruction.  But somebody sober has to 
drive that big street sweeper or it'll wind up watching TV with you in 
your living room after it installs a big ragged picture window in the 
wall.


Ode


At 12:22 PM 6/26/2007 +0100, you wrote:

So oxygen is not the thing that causes free radicals, as I always 
thought?

Dee

    -- 

knows

why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.>

-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)





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Re: CS>Zeolite/Gail

[bbanever]

Gail,

Yes, it certainly worked for me.  I have three more amalgam fillings in 
my mouth which I have no intention of removing unless I have to.  I feel 
completely normal now, and I'm extremely sensitive to any toxic substance in 
my body.  For those of you who are worried about Zeolite, there is ample 
scientific proof of its safety.  It is included in the FDA's GRAS list as 
generally recognized as safe, and I experienced no side effects 
whatsoever... except normalcy after being poisoned by mercury, which is 
absolute h...@ll.  That stuff is evil.  I'll try to compose a list of links to 
the scientific studies proving its safety and effectiveness... including one 
where several people were poisoned by DU (depleted uranium) and detoxed 100% 
of it by ingesting zeolite.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Gail Naranjo" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: CS>Zeolite



Bob,

Will zeolite work if one still has amalgam fillings
and don't remove them?

Thanks,

Gail




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Re: CS>Doctor unpopular

[hanneke johanna]

Here is a link where I watched Sicko last night, on line.  http://files.filefront.com/Sickoavi/;7822955;/fileinfo.html
The documentary has a segment on healthcare in England,Canada,  France, USA and Cuba. I thought  all very interesting.
 
Cheers
Hanneke
 




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Re: CS>Ozone

[Carol Ann]

Hey Gail.and and all.
   
  Sometimes things cannot be seen or readily observed.   Ozone I believe, and 
from what I've read and from experience works its wonders in the Blood.  Since 
using Ozone, my blood is the brighest its ever been, and the most fluid.   If 
you've ever had the opportunity to see your blood through a dark field 
microscope you would be shocked by the parasites that can and do share the same 
life lines.   One will never be completely free of blood pathogens, viligence 
is required.  
   
  I've never overdone Ozone, and  I enjoy it on a regular basis.  I agree whole 
heartedly with Gail.Ozone like anything else should be taken at your 
own pace, according to your own needs and tolerence levels.  
   
  regards to all..

Gail Naranjo  wrote:
  
--- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:

** Make no mistake.
> Ozone WILL burn healthy tissues and so will
> Hydrogen Peroxide. Unhealthy 
> tissues burn more easily, like tinder compared to
> oak beams.
> It's use *can* be practical, similar to sanding a
> wall to prep it for a new 
> coat of cellular paint, but you can also sand that
> wall to dust. 
===

Hi Ode & List,

I think being practical is pretty good advice. When I
first started doing ozone (saunas), I ended up
actually scaring from the so called 'ozone rash'. 
Some said it was the 'toxins' exiting the skin, and to
continue until no more rashing.

People, I'd have to say use your own judgment, when
using ozone. I ended up backing way off and now
thoroughly love it. However, as far as the promises
of it healing, I've yet to see it. Best I can come up
with is that it makes me 'feel ' better, and that's
not a bad thing for sure. It does seem to have it's
limitations, tho.

Gail




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Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning

[Duncan Crow]

I also found enough caution to deter me from getting in on the 
ground floor of zeolite marketing. In my view it could be 
beneficial to some people but I note that many healthy people 
have never been exposed to zeolite. Moreover, we can cure disease 
without it quite readily with supps and approaches we know more 
about.

Duncan

On 27 Jun 2007 at 7:35, Smitty wrote:

> 
> I googled Zeolite and found this =
> 
> http://www.cqs.com/zeolite.htm
> 
> any thoughts on this negative slant ?
> 
> Smitty
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/27/07, bbanever  wrote:
> > Leslie,
> >
> >  The absolute best way to detox from mercury or other heavy metals is
> > with liquid Zeolite IMO.  It worked like a miracle for me I was poisoned
> > after having an amalgam filling removed.  I thought I was losing my mind
> > I used PCA Rx which did help but after several weeks and three bottles I
> > still had residual effects and didn't know what to do.  Jim Howenstein MD
> > told be to use zeolite and it worked like a charm  I took 10 drops three
> > times a day for two weeks after five days I felt completely normal
> > although I completed the two weeks.  Unfortunately, it is sold via MLM but
> > please don't let that deter you this stuff is worth it's weight in gold.
> > Here is a link if you want more info or to purchase... or just Google it.
> >
> > http://my.waiora.com/home.php?950148
> >
> > Best of luck to you.
> >
> > Bob
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Leslie" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon
> >
> >
> > >I am somewhat confused as to the best way to detox mercury from my body. Am
> > >I thinking right about getting ozone in my body will do this completely, or
> > >rather the best way to go about this? Poisoned with mercury!
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Leslie
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Ode Coyote" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Oxygen IS the free radical.
> > >> Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2]
> > >> When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in Hydrogen
> > >> Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra oxygen that will join
> > >> another one making O2 as a part of that molecule "burning" it, or sucking
> > >> an Oxygen atom off  virtually anything it contacts, especially organic
> > >> molecules.
> > >>
> > >> O3 [Ozone] will rot the tires right off your car.
> > >> H2O2 burns germs AND everything else.  That's why 100% H2O2 is as
> > >> dangerous as any strong acid.
> > >>
> > >> In the body, it's probably other radical configurations that do damage
> > >> but the mechanism is probably the same, based on the same principle.
> > >> If one radical meets another but different radical, there will be a
> > >> battle over which molecule winds up with that extra Oxygen atom.  Could
> > >> also be neither and an O2 molecule released.
> > >>
> > >>  Both will be changed one way or another.  Changed into *what*, is the
> > >> question.  Is that *what* what you want, or something you don't?  What
> > >> sort of other seek and destroy mission happens when there are too many of
> > >> either?
> > >>
> > >> I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced into the
> > >> body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free radicals there and by
> > >> killing off weaker cells to stimulate growth of new ones to replace
> > >> them...but.. over doing it could also be big trouble.
> > >>
> > >>  A cancer cell and a cell undergoing DNA changes due to a virus invasion
> > >> is generally weaker than an accurately made one  and I can imagine that
> > >> healthy cells are pretty resilient...like a tire.
> > >>  So, imagine cleaning bug juice off your tires with a sand blaster.
> > >>  The tire won't be shiny when you get done, rough raw rubber with some of
> > >> the good rubber gone...but it will be very clean and ready for an
> > >> application of 'tire shine' .
> > >>
> > >> 'Oxygen' != (does not equal) 'oxidant'
> > >>  [Also doesn't equal anti oxident, sez that rusty nail. ]
> > >>
> > >> Also, ozone != smog
> > >>  [Smog is  pollutants changed  *by* Ozone, not Ozone.  Ozone is just
> > >> "fat" Oxygen.   Ozone does the same thing to lung tissue and just about
> > >> any other organic molecule it contacts..hopefully, harmful unstable
> > >> organic molecules first.  That stuff will eat the cord right off your
> > >> hand drill as the drill motor brushes arcing produces it]
> > >>
> > >> Like alcohol is always toxic and destructive, a little bit of destruction
> > >> can be a help to reconstruction.  But somebody sober has to drive that
> > >> big street sweeper or it'll wind up watching TV with you in your living
> > >> room after it installs a big ragged picture window in the wall.
> > >>
> > >> Ode
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> At 12:22 PM 6/26/2007 +0100, you wrote

Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[G Murray]

I just googled the wheat dextrin as I had not heard of this before and 
wondered about Irritable bowel.


Barbara wrote:


I do not have any problems with Benefiber because I have no
alergies and no gluten intolerances. 
 
Barbara
 
 



http://www.helpforibs.com/supplements/benefiber_change.asp


Benefiber Change

As of July 2006, Benefiber has announced that all of their
products will no longer contain partially hydrolized guar gum.
Benefiber will now be made from wheat dextrin. According to a
phone representative at Novartis, the makers of Benefiber, this
decision was made to allow for smaller dosages and for a higher
profit margin. Benefiber guar gum provided 3 grams of soluble
fiber per tablespoon, whereas Benefiber wheat dextrin provides 1.5
grams of soluble fiber per teaspoon (there are three teaspoons in
one tablespoon).

I do not know how wheat dextrin compares to guar gum as a soluble
fiber supplement for Irritable Bowel Syndrome. I would not assume
that the wheat dextrin in Benefiber is safe for people with wheat
allergies or gluten intolerance disorders such as celiac.





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Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[Barbara]

I do not have any problems with Benefiber because I have no 
alergies and no gluten intolerances.  

Barbara




  http://www.helpforibs.com/supplements/benefiber_change.asp


  Benefiber Change

  As of July 2006, Benefiber has announced that all of their products will no 
longer contain partially hydrolized guar gum. Benefiber will now be made from 
wheat dextrin. According to a phone representative at Novartis, the makers of 
Benefiber, this decision was made to allow for smaller dosages and for a higher 
profit margin. Benefiber guar gum provided 3 grams of soluble fiber per 
tablespoon, whereas Benefiber wheat dextrin provides 1.5 grams of soluble fiber 
per teaspoon (there are three teaspoons in one tablespoon).

  I do not know how wheat dextrin compares to guar gum as a soluble fiber 
supplement for Irritable Bowel Syndrome. I would not assume that the wheat 
dextrin in Benefiber is safe for people with wheat allergies or gluten 
intolerance disorders such as celiac.

CS>Fw: oil pulling

[T. J. Garland]

Anyone try this?   I just started  with  VCO(virgin coconut oil).  Almond 
and sesame oil were hard to hold for any length of time..  VCO should work? 
www.oilpulling.com 




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Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[G Murray]

http://www.helpforibs.com/supplements/benefiber_change.asp


   Benefiber Change

As of July 2006, Benefiber has announced that all of their products will 
no longer contain partially hydrolized guar gum. Benefiber will now be 
made from wheat dextrin. According to a phone representative at 
Novartis, the makers of Benefiber, this decision was made to allow for 
smaller dosages and for a higher profit margin. Benefiber guar gum 
provided 3 grams of soluble fiber per tablespoon, whereas Benefiber 
wheat dextrin provides 1.5 grams of soluble fiber per teaspoon (there 
are three teaspoons in one tablespoon).


I do not know how wheat dextrin compares to guar gum as a soluble fiber 
supplement for Irritable Bowel Syndrome. I would not assume that the 
wheat dextrin in Benefiber is safe for people with wheat allergies or 
gluten intolerance disorders such as celiac.



Barbara wrote:


Hi Ruth,
 
Even better is the one called BENEFIBER.  It contains 100% wheat 
dextrin and nothing else.  Here is a site.
 
http://www.benefiber.com/products/index.shtml?benefiberPowders 
 
Barbara
 
 



Hi, Kathryn, I said awhile back that I would not reply anymore. I
will
however , but will avoid anatomy references where possible. 
Sometimes a bit difficult. I have found a different fiber med

called Unifiber which contains Cellulose, cornsyrup solids and
Xanthem gum.  That isn't much better than the others, but easier
to use and doesn't burn.  Ruth

From Ruth Strackbein





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Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Barbara, I plan to try it as soon as I can get to town and get some. 
Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: "Barbara" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:17:09 -0400

I'm taking it for last 6 weeks or so and it works.  Like you
I eat no grains and no sugar so this fiber sounded good
to me and it really is.  I hope you will try it.

Barbara




  Hi, Barbara, Thanks for your link.  Sounds like good information.  I 
haven't
  eaten any wheat or barley products for the past three years.  I thought 
at

  one time that I might have celiac, but I really doubt that that is my
  problem.  Was tested, but only after having been on the diet for 8 
months,
  so tests were inconclusive.  And the diet I chose to use is a healthy 
one.

  Eliminates all the flour products whose value has been compromised by
  manufacturers. But this would possibly be a better choice than the 
current

  ones I have tried.  Actually no bulk producing product has ever given me
  relief.  I have taken most of them for months at a time in past years, 
not
  recently. They just tend to stop things up faster.  However, I am 
working

  with this surgeon who is trying very hard to help me avoid surgery.  He
  isn't particular which fiber med I use, just so I use one. Again , 
thanks.

  This evening I'll go to your link.  Ruth

  From Ruth Strackbein



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Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[Barbara]

I'm taking it for last 6 weeks or so and it works.  Like you 
I eat no grains and no sugar so this fiber sounded good 
to me and it really is.  I hope you will try it.

Barbara 




  Hi, Barbara, Thanks for your link.  Sounds like good information.  I haven't 
  eaten any wheat or barley products for the past three years.  I thought at 
  one time that I might have celiac, but I really doubt that that is my 
  problem.  Was tested, but only after having been on the diet for 8 months, 
  so tests were inconclusive.  And the diet I chose to use is a healthy one.  
  Eliminates all the flour products whose value has been compromised by 
  manufacturers. But this would possibly be a better choice than the current 
  ones I have tried.  Actually no bulk producing product has ever given me 
  relief.  I have taken most of them for months at a time in past years, not 
  recently. They just tend to stop things up faster.  However, I am working 
  with this surgeon who is trying very hard to help me avoid surgery.  He 
  isn't particular which fiber med I use, just so I use one. Again , thanks.  
  This evening I'll go to your link.  Ruth

  From Ruth Strackbein

Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Barbara, Thanks for your link.  Sounds like good information.  I haven't 
eaten any wheat or barley products for the past three years.  I thought at 
one time that I might have celiac, but I really doubt that that is my 
problem.  Was tested, but only after having been on the diet for 8 months, 
so tests were inconclusive.  And the diet I chose to use is a healthy one.  
Eliminates all the flour products whose value has been compromised by 
manufacturers. But this would possibly be a better choice than the current 
ones I have tried.  Actually no bulk producing product has ever given me 
relief.  I have taken most of them for months at a time in past years, not 
recently. They just tend to stop things up faster.  However, I am working 
with this surgeon who is trying very hard to help me avoid surgery.  He 
isn't particular which fiber med I use, just so I use one. Again , thanks.  
This evening I'll go to your link.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: "Barbara" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:33:08 -0400

Hi Ruth,

Even better is the one called BENEFIBER.  It contains 100% wheat dextrin 
and nothing else.  Here is a site.


http://www.benefiber.com/products/index.shtml?benefiberPowders

Barbara




  Hi, Kathryn, I said awhile back that I would not reply anymore. I will
  however , but will avoid anatomy references where possible.  Sometimes a 
bit difficult. I have found a different fiber med called Unifiber which 
contains Cellulose, cornsyrup solids and Xanthem gum.  That isn't much 
better than the others, but easier to use and doesn't burn.  Ruth


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Re: CS>Doctor unpopular

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Dee, I seem to have lost my first reply so will try again.  I certainly 
sympathize with you about your system of health care.  Unless we in the 
United States are careful we will go the same way.  Presntly I have Medicare 
which pays well for what it approves.  I pay part, but it comes out of my 
social security check so I don't miss it.  Do need to carry supplementary 
insurance which I have in connection with my teaching position .  I have to 
pay 200 a month for this and 500 dollars annually as a deductible.  After 
the deductible is satisfied , I pay nothing, The supplemental plan pays only 
for what Medicare approves, though. Of course, neither will approve of 
alternative care, although my supplementary does pay for part of my 
chiropractor treatments , also after I meet my deductible.  Most years I 
don't meet it. But years when I have surgery I do.  I am beginning to think, 
that 200 a month would pay for alot of alternative things.  Anyway, some. I 
won't change this year, anyway.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: "Dee " 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>Doctor unpopular
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:05:00 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)

We have a National Health service here Ruth, we don't have insurance, but
pay all our lives through income tax.  Unfortunately, the authorities act 
as

if we are having charity instead of something we have paid for all of our
lives, some of us like me, have hardly every used the Health Service.  You
cannot swap doctors if you don't like the one you have (except under 
extreme
circumstances) but have to accept the one in your borough.  As you say, 
some

are good and most are clever doctors, but the thought of them coming out at
night like they used to do when I was young, just makes me smile.  A bit
like expecting politicians to answer questions truthfully!  Dee

    -- 



-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)





---Original Message---



From: Ruth strackbein

Date: 27/06/2007 19:54:27

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>Doctor unpopular



. But

They don't know everything and many, or some, of them are the first to 
admit



It. I hope that you can find someone who is willing to really serve you as

A patient. Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein






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Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[Barbara]

Hi Ruth, 

Even better is the one called BENEFIBER.  It contains 100% wheat dextrin and 
nothing else.  Here is a site. 

http://www.benefiber.com/products/index.shtml?benefiberPowders 

Barbara




  Hi, Kathryn, I said awhile back that I would not reply anymore. I will 
  however , but will avoid anatomy references where possible.  Sometimes a bit 
difficult. I have found a different fiber med called Unifiber which contains 
Cellulose, cornsyrup solids and Xanthem gum.  That isn't much better than the 
others, but easier to use and doesn't burn.  Ruth

  From Ruth Strackbein

Re: CS>Doctor unpopular

[Clayton Family]

For an inside view of the state of medicine in the UK, you might look 
at this blog:


http://nhsblogdoc.blogspot.com/

he is a general practitional, I think, and is dismayed at the way the 
Blair admin is dismantling the practice of medicine to contain costs, 
since it is free at point of entry.


This is especially pertinent since Moore's new film is coming out 
"Sicko", documenting the laspes of the health care management here in 
the US.


On Jun 27, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Dee wrote:

You have to be joking! Certainly not here in the UK would they come 
out at
night!  You have to be literally dying for them to do that, and then 
they
only send out a locum who usually knows diddly squat (one diagnosed me 
with
gastric enteritis when it was actually almost a ruptured gall bladder) 
 my
husband called out an ambulance against his wishes, or I could have 
been
dead!  Also, even here in the UK the GP's are if not stinking rich, 
then
very nicely off.  The consultants are stinking rich though, and they 
don't
do any work.  Many years ago I would have agreed with you, but not 
since Mr

Greedy reared his ugly head. Dee



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Re: CS>Re: homozon

[Dee]

I always wash my mouth out with CS before bed to do the same thing.  Dee  

    --  

 

-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) 

 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Leslie 

Date: 27/06/2007 19:53:18 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon 

 

I gargle with this and have for several years, but dilute with a very small 

Amt of water. This is good to kill the germs in the mouth that cause teeth 

To decay. 


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Re: CS>Doctor unpopular

[Dee]

We have a National Health service here Ruth, we don't have insurance, but
pay all our lives through income tax.  Unfortunately, the authorities act as
if we are having charity instead of something we have paid for all of our
lives, some of us like me, have hardly every used the Health Service.  You
cannot swap doctors if you don't like the one you have (except under extreme
circumstances) but have to accept the one in your borough.  As you say, some
are good and most are clever doctors, but the thought of them coming out at
night like they used to do when I was young, just makes me smile.  A bit
like expecting politicians to answer questions truthfully!  Dee  

    --  

 

-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) 

 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Ruth strackbein 

Date: 27/06/2007 19:54:27 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Doctor unpopular 

 

. But 

They don't know everything and many, or some, of them are the first to admit


It. I hope that you can find someone who is willing to really serve you as 

A patient. Ruth 

 

>From Ruth Strackbein 

 

 


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Re: CS>Doctor unpopular

[Kirsteen Wright]

I'm in the UK and I have to say my GP is fantastic. He accepts that I'm not
keen on taking drugs but accept the things I need like the B12 injections.
He's quite open to complementary medicine and says some of it's very
interesting. He referred me to the Homeopathic Hospital to try their
approach. He's openly said if I find any articles on the internet that I
want him to read just to print them out and take them in and he never fails
to ask about my son. All in all, I don't think he could be any better.

Kirsteen
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RE: CS>Re: homozon

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Charles, Actually, I was eating it since I did not rinse the vegetables 
after soaking them. I soaked them 10 15 minutes sometimes, I think I 
remember.  Did that all last summer until my son visited and saw what I was 
doing and cautioned me.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: Charles Marcus 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: homozon
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:42:40 -0400

Hi, Charles, Last summer I used H202 to soak veggies and in my bath.  
Didn't read an article carefully , or else decided that food-grade stuff 
was too expensive.  Think I also thought the stuff that was listed as 
being in the OTC H202 couldn't be that harmful if you can gargle with it.  
I have since wondered if some of my worsening colon problems could have 
been affected by that.  Any thoughts?


Taking too much H2O2 internally - *especially* too high a concentration - 
can most certainly cause digestive/stomach problems. It is definitely much 
more problematic than drinking ozonated water (you can't make it too 
strong, because water will only so hold so much ozone before it is 
'saturated' and refuses to take any more), which is highly preferred.


I no longer recommend to anyone to take H2O2 internally - although it can 
be safe, if done in moderation and with care.


If you weren't actually drinking water with added H2O2, but were only 
taking baths and gargling, then I am confident saying it didn't have 
anything to do with your current problems...



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Re: CS>Gall Bladder, Genius Doctors

[Dee]

Sound philosophy  Wayne.  All they said to me was to cut out fat almost
completely (something I never bothered to do) so is it easy to get these
bile salts because I Googled them and only got advice and info on them, not
how to buy?  Dee 

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---Original Message--- 

 

Some important nutrients come from fats. If the doctor can find the 

Gall bladder, and remove it, he should have the intelligence and foresight 

To guide you in how to get by without one. 

 

One of our great alternative doctors said it like this, ... 

If you don't have a gall bladder, you must take bile salts every meal for 

The rest of your life. 

 

One doctor tole me and my boss, I could not do the work you guys do. He 

Meant he could not analyze, think, and fix things like a technician does. 

 

So, there is no aptitude test for doctors, no reasoning ability test as 

We had at IBM, no genius supervisors as we had at IBM. 

 


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Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[ruth strackbein]

Hi Kathryn,.  I have tried Flaxseed both oil and ground.  Didn' t seem to 
agree with me as so many things don't.  Charles probablyhas found the 
answer, at least to my upper burning.  I have not been paying attention to 
gallbladder messages since I don't have one any more.  However, the symptoms 
I have are exactly the ones listed under gallbladder problems in the site 
Charles referred me to.  Pain under center right ribcage, sometimes going to 
right shoulder.  I have it right now.  The kits referred to in the 
gallbladder site, are very expensive from my point of view.  Will run this 
past my regular doctors before ordering anything.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: Clayton Family 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:19:35 -0500

Ruth,

is citrucel like metamucil? I thought that was the same as flax seeds 
ground up. They are pretty cheap, and can be ground in the kitchen blender 
using a jelly jar instead of the big blender pitcher. But if things burn 
going down, what does he say about that? Well, best wishes.  -Kathryn



On Jun 26, 2007, at 2:52 PM, ruth strackbein wrote:

Hi , Sasha, I have used probiotics in the recent past.  Lately have been 
involved with this routine the surgeon gave me to see if we can get my 
bowel to work properly without the surgery.  I have very little confidence 
in his scheme, but if surgery becomes necessary he will probably be the 
one to do it.  Have gone to a clinic that deals only with 
gastroenterology.  Saw a gastroenterologist there,  After examining all my 
volume of records, he said emphatically that surgery is necessary. He 
referred me to this surgeon who does not think it is necessary.  He is 
willing to work with me to develop a technique to accomplish this.  
Trouble is he wants me to use fiber medicine like Citrucel.  I had used 
that years ago without success, but tried it out.  It burns going down, 
not good. Is full of sugar and flavorings which I have avoided like the 
plague for 3 years. I guess I am not convinced either way about the 
surgery.  I know I have to get back on a better track somehow.  Ruth





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CS>h2o2 and cs

[garyc]

hi, gary courtney here..tried to post before but got bumped back for some 
reason..will try again..I will say this,that coloidal silver tastes alot better 
than h2o2 and they both do the job of killing critters in your body..I found 
out about 35%food grade h2o2 25 years ago from an old fella that cured his 
liver cancer with it and I have used it since myself instead of antibiotics 
these last 25 years or soI have also used cs esp. for my animals90% 
h2o2 is the liquid oxygen they use for the space shuttle and it will eat you up 
fast...35% will turn your hands white and sting real good as it eats the dead 
skin off..that's why people dilute itwhat a lot of people don't know is 
that the white blood cell squirt h2o2 on bugs in the body to kill them so that 
they can be eaten..good bacteria in the gut make h2o2 to help keep the bad 
bacteria in check...I was reading the other day that antibodies work on the 
principle of making ozone...now where the problem with using oxidative therapy 
is that if your cells are weak and sickly then the oxygen will zap the 
cell...what you do is take antioxidents..vitamin c and e and msm,etc..to build 
up the cells and make them healthy and strong so that the oxygen in what ever 
form will not harm the cell...then there is no problem...the Eternal said that 
life was in the blood...oxygen...ions of o and cs both do an incredible of 
killing the bad boys..what a blessing...garyc

CS>Re: homozon

[Charles Marcus]

Hi, Charles, Last summer I used H202 to soak veggies and in my bath.  
Didn't read an article carefully , or else decided that food-grade 
stuff was too expensive.  Think I also thought the stuff that was 
listed as being in the OTC H202 couldn't be that harmful if you can 
gargle with it.  I have since wondered if some of my worsening colon 
problems could have been affected by that.  Any thoughts?


Taking too much H2O2 internally - *especially* too high a concentration 
- can most certainly cause digestive/stomach problems. It is definitely 
much more problematic than drinking ozonated water (you can't make it 
too strong, because water will only so hold so much ozone before it is 
'saturated' and refuses to take any more), which is highly preferred.


I no longer recommend to anyone to take H2O2 internally - although it 
can be safe, if done in moderation and with care.


If you weren't actually drinking water with added H2O2, but were only 
taking baths and gargling, then I am confident saying it didn't have 
anything to do with your current problems...



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Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Kathryn, I said awhile back that I would not reply anymore. I will 
however , but will avoid anatomy references where possible.  Sometimes a bit 
difficult. I have found a different fiber med called Unifiber which contains 
Cellulose, cornsyrup solids and Xanthem gum.  That isn't much better than 
the others, but easier to use and doesn't burn.  Ruth



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From: G Murray 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:22:38 -0600

http://www.citrucel.com/citrucel_benefits.aspx
Other fiber powders, including Metamucil, contain psyllium. Psyllium can 
ferment in your body to produce excess gas. The fiber in Citrucel, 
methylcellulose, can't ferment so it will not produce excess gas*.


http://www.gicare.com/pated/methylcellulose.htm
What is methylcellulose?

This product is a synthetic chemical that loves water. It stays within the 
intestinal tract and is not absorbed. By attracting and holding water, it 
creates a softer stool. It is not a true harsh stimulant laxative which 
should be taken only occasionally. Methylcellulose can be taken long-term. 
Since it absorbs fluid, it may be helpful at times for diarrhea. It does 
not lower cholesterol..


How about side effects?

Adverse reactions can occur with any drug, even over-the-counter 
medications. Some of these are mild such as a stomach upset, which may be 
avoided by taking the medication with food. Minor reactions may go away on 
their own but if they persist, contact the physician. For major reactions, 
the patient should contact the physician immediately.


For methylcellulose, the following are the observed side effects:

Minor:

   * bloating
   * diarrhea
   * rumbling sounds
   * nausea
   * mild abdominal cramps

Major:

   * severe abdominal pain
   * vomiting
   * difficulty swallowing



Clayton Family wrote:


Ruth,

is citrucel like metamucil? I thought that was the same as flax seeds 
ground up. They are pretty cheap, and can be ground in the kitchen blender 
using a jelly jar instead of the big blender pitcher. But if things burn 
going down, what does he say about that? Well, best wishes.  -Kathryn




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RE: CS>Anatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list

[ruth strackbein]

P.S. I will not stop reading your ideas, however.


From Ruth Strackbein




From: "ruth strackbein" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Anatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:26:00 -0500

Hi, Okay, I will stop responding, Ruth.  I do thank all who have given me 
alternative ideas to pursue or not as I feel able. Also for all the 
encouragement.


From Ruth Strackbein



From: "ruth strackbein" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Anatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:19:34 -0500

Thanks, Gail.  I agree with all you have said.  My age is certainly a big 
factor.  It is one of the things that makes the surgeon reluctant to just 
go ahead and do the surgery without exploring alternatives first.  Of 
course, I have to turn to places like the Eskimo list to get help in that 
direction, and I do have to pick and choose carefully and not try more 
than one thing at once.
  You asked about the extent of the surgery proposed. Several options 
have been spoken of. One is the total removal.  My personal physician is 
in favor of  that, because if taking only part of the colon does not help 
enough, or fails, which it sometimes does, then a second surgery becomes 
necessary at a later date.  I don't have too many later dates, 
comparatively speaking. However the surgeon (3 of them!) and one 
gastroenterologist have spoken of removing 90% but leaving the rectum.  
With this one, I would almost surely have diarrhea or very loose material 
at the beginning, but that often wears off and can be helped with 
medication to thicken things. I am torn between the two possibilities.  
Will see if it comes to that.  Ruth


From Ruth Strackbein



From: Gail Naranjo 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Anatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:25:54 -0700 (PDT)


From: "ruth strackbein" 
>
Hi, I am listening, however, the doctor I am working
> with wants me to drink
> that much water right now. I try to remember not to
> drink around mealtime,
> though.  I realize the word Doctor is not a very
> good word here, but ,
> nonetheless there are enough actual physical
> problems with my colon to
> warrant seeking help from one.
==

Hello Ruth,

I accord to me that this is the very problem which
you've suffered from at a very early age.  Probably
born with it.  You mentioned you have an extra long,
floppy colon that tends to kink.  You also mentioned
your age to be 79, if memory serves me.  Perhaps in
younger years, when there was better muscle support,
the problem wasn't as bad?  However, like everything
else, when we age, things start moving south.  That
alone could cause even more kinking.  With all that,
I'm not sure if the things that have been suggested
would be adequate to correct the situation.  I was
also wondering if they do have to do the surgery,
would they just be removing some extra colon, taking
out the excess while leaving the rest?

As far as the word doctor being unpopular here, each
will have to speak for themself.  It's not unpopular
to me.  However, you have to realize most have not
been able to get whatever problem they are faced with
resolved by allopathic treatment, and have thus turned
to alternative means.  I don't have a problem with
that at all.  Personally, I would love to see things
integrated so that one would compliment the other.
There are times when both alternative and allopathy
have their limitations.   IMO, sometimes we need the
help of both.

Take care,

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RE: CS>Re: Ruths digestive problem...

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Charles, Thank you!  I do believe this may be the answer.  The symptoms 
listed certainly fit.Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: Charles Marcus 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: Ruths digestive problem...
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:16:27 -0400


I don't have a gall bladder any more.


Bingo!

Ruth, the gall bladder is responsible for storing bile produced by the 
liver, and then dumping it when it is needed for digestion of fats - bile 
is what is *required* to digest fats of any kind...


See this link for more info:
http://tinyurl.com/32eeva

Then see this link - scroll down to where it talks about 'Gall Bladder 
Relief Kits'...


You absolutely need to start taking bile - and I'd say HCL supplements - 
asap... this very well may be the 'miracle' you've been looking for. I put 
'miracle' in quotes because it really isn't - it is just the ignorance of 
the doctors that have been treating you.



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CS>Gall Bladder, Genius Doctors

[CWFugitt]

Evening Dee,

>>At 01:16 PM 6/27/2007, you wrote:
So what does this mean Charles, in terms of digestion, I mean i.e. How do 
fats get digested,or don't they, do they just go out somehow?  I ask 
because I don't have a gall bladder either.


   Some important nutrients come from fats.  If the doctor can find the 
gall bladder, and remove it, he should have the intelligence and foresight 
to guide you in how to get by without one.


 One of our great alternative doctors said it like this, ...
If you don't have a gall bladder, you must take bile salts every meal for 
the rest of your life.


One doctor tole me and my boss,   I could not do the work you guys do.  He 
meant he could not analyze, think, and fix things like a technician does.


So,  there is no aptitude test for doctors,  no reasoning ability test as 
we had at IBM,  no genius supervisors as we had at IBM.


One can read a book, pass a test, find his way down a one way street, and 
come in out of the rain.


But he does not have sense enough to tell you what you must do after your 
gall bladder is removed.


That is why we love doctors.  Yes, I have some that are friends and I like 
them as a person.  Bet my life on their ability,  not yet.


One final thought,  one can be an expert checker player with zero reasoning 
ability.   Man's mind is exhausted on the checkerboard.
For ever move, there is a move written to win, written to loose, and 
written to draw.  Guess what ?  The same is certainly not true with chess.



Wayne





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Re: CS>Re: CS>Free Radicals, Good or Bad? – a note on cancer.

[CWFugitt]

Morning Dee,

>>At 10:53 AM 6/27/2007, you wrote:

I thought that free radicals were cells which lacked an electron, and then 
went along and stole one from a healthy cell, which then became imbalanced 
also.


 That is true, to some degree, but a great oversimplification of a complex 
process.


The part that is not right, is the  "Healthy Cell".  That is, bases on 
things I have read.



 The role of the anti oxidants is to give the unbalanced cell one of
its own electrons, without imbalancing itself.  If the cell does *not* 
have its electron replaced, then I always understood that it then went on 
to scavenge electrons from other cells, finally entering the DNA itself 
and changing that; hence, cancer.  This is what I have read anyway.  Dee

   If it was that bad,  ... we would all be in a world of hurt.
In the healthy body,   free radicals may behave much differently than they 
behave in a sick body.


In a healthy body, if one exists,  nothing goes wrong.  The designer made 
sure of that.


In a sick and unhealthy body, every little thing goes wrong.

One of my ideas, is,

The greatest advantage of being healthy is that,

"You can eat anything you want, anytime you want to, and nothing bad 
happens".   If you want to eat  1/2 gallon of ice cream, go ahead.Some 
may disagree with that, but I can offer proof to my ideas.


Likely a super healthy body destroys free radicals with no problems ever 
becoming of them.


Wayne




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From: Faith Saint Francis

Date: 27/06/2007 15:43:47

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: CS>Free Radicals, Good or Bad? ­ a note on cancer.






In C.W. Fugitt’s post I found:



>>Considering they [..free rads..] exist in the body, I can't believe they
are all bad.<<



Indeed. They are not bad in the sense that the body MUST have the power to
do away with them. A healthy body always has that power.



A healthy body contains EVERYTHING nature provided, and EVERYTHING has its
purpose in the system.



Did you know that everybody has cancer? You and I and all of them out-there
have cancer cells in our system. Continually!




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Re: CS>Doctor unpopular

[ruth strackbein]

Thanks, Leslie. Ruth


From Ruth Strackbein




From: "Leslie" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>Doctor unpopular
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:07:37 -0500

Hey, don't worry. When we hit reply it goes to the whole list anyway. LOL

Leslie
- Original Message - From: "ruth strackbein" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Doctor unpopular


Hi, Wonder if I replied to Leslie rather than to you, Dee.  You might 
check. I will, too.  Ruth


From Ruth Strackbein



From: "Dee " 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>Doctor unpopular
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:37:30 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)

You have to be joking! Certainly not here in the UK would they come out 
at

night!  You have to be literally dying for them to do that, and then they
only send out a locum who usually knows diddly squat (one diagnosed me 
with
gastric enteritis when it was actually almost a ruptured gall bladder)  
my

husband called out an ambulance against his wishes, or I could have been
dead!  Also, even here in the UK the GP's are if not stinking rich, then
very nicely off.  The consultants are stinking rich though, and they 
don't
do any work.  Many years ago I would have agreed with you, but not since 
Mr

Greedy reared his ugly head. Dee

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knows

why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.>

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From: Faith Saint Francis

Date: 27/06/2007 19:20:15

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: CS>Doctor unpopular





Gail wrote:





Anyway I want to warn against a witchâ?"hunt of doctors. For quite a few 
of
them are good buddies. At least they mean well. If they took the 
profession

for the money involved, they made an awfully wrong mistake. .



Yet: There still are medics who get up at three in the morning and go, at 
a
call for a difficult birth or a broken leg â?" or who after their work 
share
their time with the poor â?" or who donâ?Tt charge to those who donâ?Tt 
have

anyway.



.



FaithStFrancis








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RE: CS>Anatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Okay, I will stop responding, Ruth.  I do thank all who have given me 
alternative ideas to pursue or not as I feel able. Also for all the 
encouragement.



From Ruth Strackbein




From: "ruth strackbein" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Anatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:19:34 -0500

Thanks, Gail.  I agree with all you have said.  My age is certainly a big 
factor.  It is one of the things that makes the surgeon reluctant to just 
go ahead and do the surgery without exploring alternatives first.  Of 
course, I have to turn to places like the Eskimo list to get help in that 
direction, and I do have to pick and choose carefully and not try more than 
one thing at once.
  You asked about the extent of the surgery proposed. Several options have 
been spoken of. One is the total removal.  My personal physician is in 
favor of  that, because if taking only part of the colon does not help 
enough, or fails, which it sometimes does, then a second surgery becomes 
necessary at a later date.  I don't have too many later dates, 
comparatively speaking. However the surgeon (3 of them!) and one 
gastroenterologist have spoken of removing 90% but leaving the rectum.  
With this one, I would almost surely have diarrhea or very loose material 
at the beginning, but that often wears off and can be helped with 
medication to thicken things. I am torn between the two possibilities.  
Will see if it comes to that.  Ruth


From Ruth Strackbein



From: Gail Naranjo 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Anatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:25:54 -0700 (PDT)


From: "ruth strackbein" 
>
Hi, I am listening, however, the doctor I am working
> with wants me to drink
> that much water right now. I try to remember not to
> drink around mealtime,
> though.  I realize the word Doctor is not a very
> good word here, but ,
> nonetheless there are enough actual physical
> problems with my colon to
> warrant seeking help from one.
==

Hello Ruth,

I accord to me that this is the very problem which
you've suffered from at a very early age.  Probably
born with it.  You mentioned you have an extra long,
floppy colon that tends to kink.  You also mentioned
your age to be 79, if memory serves me.  Perhaps in
younger years, when there was better muscle support,
the problem wasn't as bad?  However, like everything
else, when we age, things start moving south.  That
alone could cause even more kinking.  With all that,
I'm not sure if the things that have been suggested
would be adequate to correct the situation.  I was
also wondering if they do have to do the surgery,
would they just be removing some extra colon, taking
out the excess while leaving the rest?

As far as the word doctor being unpopular here, each
will have to speak for themself.  It's not unpopular
to me.  However, you have to realize most have not
been able to get whatever problem they are faced with
resolved by allopathic treatment, and have thus turned
to alternative means.  I don't have a problem with
that at all.  Personally, I would love to see things
integrated so that one would compliment the other.
There are times when both alternative and allopathy
have their limitations.   IMO, sometimes we need the
help of both.

Take care,

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RE: CS>Anatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list

[ruth strackbein]

Thanks, Gail.  I agree with all you have said.  My age is certainly a big 
factor.  It is one of the things that makes the surgeon reluctant to just go 
ahead and do the surgery without exploring alternatives first.  Of course, I 
have to turn to places like the Eskimo list to get help in that direction, 
and I do have to pick and choose carefully and not try more than one thing 
at once.
  You asked about the extent of the surgery proposed. Several options have 
been spoken of. One is the total removal.  My personal physician is in favor 
of  that, because if taking only part of the colon does not help enough, or 
fails, which it sometimes does, then a second surgery becomes necessary at a 
later date.  I don't have too many later dates, comparatively speaking. 
However the surgeon (3 of them!) and one gastroenterologist have spoken of 
removing 90% but leaving the rectum.  With this one, I would almost surely 
have diarrhea or very loose material at the beginning, but that often wears 
off and can be helped with medication to thicken things. I am torn between 
the two possibilities.  Will see if it comes to that.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: Gail Naranjo 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Anatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:25:54 -0700 (PDT)


From: "ruth strackbein" 
>
Hi, I am listening, however, the doctor I am working
> with wants me to drink
> that much water right now. I try to remember not to
> drink around mealtime,
> though.  I realize the word Doctor is not a very
> good word here, but ,
> nonetheless there are enough actual physical
> problems with my colon to
> warrant seeking help from one.
==

Hello Ruth,

I accord to me that this is the very problem which
you've suffered from at a very early age.  Probably
born with it.  You mentioned you have an extra long,
floppy colon that tends to kink.  You also mentioned
your age to be 79, if memory serves me.  Perhaps in
younger years, when there was better muscle support,
the problem wasn't as bad?  However, like everything
else, when we age, things start moving south.  That
alone could cause even more kinking.  With all that,
I'm not sure if the things that have been suggested
would be adequate to correct the situation.  I was
also wondering if they do have to do the surgery,
would they just be removing some extra colon, taking
out the excess while leaving the rest?

As far as the word doctor being unpopular here, each
will have to speak for themself.  It's not unpopular
to me.  However, you have to realize most have not
been able to get whatever problem they are faced with
resolved by allopathic treatment, and have thus turned
to alternative means.  I don't have a problem with
that at all.  Personally, I would love to see things
integrated so that one would compliment the other.
There are times when both alternative and allopathy
have their limitations.   IMO, sometimes we need the
help of both.

Take care,

Gail




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[Leslie]

Hey, don't worry. When we hit reply it goes to the whole list anyway. LOL

Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: "ruth strackbein" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Doctor unpopular


Hi, Wonder if I replied to Leslie rather than to you, Dee.  You might 
check. I will, too.  Ruth


From Ruth Strackbein



From: "Dee " 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>Doctor unpopular
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:37:30 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)

You have to be joking! Certainly not here in the UK would they come out at
night!  You have to be literally dying for them to do that, and then they
only send out a locum who usually knows diddly squat (one diagnosed me 
with

gastric enteritis when it was actually almost a ruptured gall bladder)  my
husband called out an ambulance against his wishes, or I could have been
dead!  Also, even here in the UK the GP's are if not stinking rich, then
very nicely off.  The consultants are stinking rich though, and they don't
do any work.  Many years ago I would have agreed with you, but not since 
Mr

Greedy reared his ugly head. Dee

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---Original Message---



From: Faith Saint Francis

Date: 27/06/2007 19:20:15

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: CS>Doctor unpopular





Gail wrote:





Anyway I want to warn against a witchâ?"hunt of doctors. For quite a few 
of
them are good buddies. At least they mean well. If they took the 
profession

for the money involved, they made an awfully wrong mistake. .



Yet: There still are medics who get up at three in the morning and go, at 
a
call for a difficult birth or a broken leg â?" or who after their work 
share
their time with the poor â?" or who donâ?Tt charge to those who donâ?Tt 
have

anyway.



.



FaithStFrancis








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[Faith Saint Francis]

Dunno 'bout the situation in the UK.
Know 'bout the situation in the Netherlands Antilles,
and about a few docs I know here in Colombia.
See - I was mentioning exceptions, not (actual) rule.
FSF> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:37:30 +0100> From: d...@deetroy.org> To: 
silver-list@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: CS>Doctor unpopular> > You have to be 
joking! Certainly not here in the UK would they come out at> night! You have to 
be literally dying for them to do that, and then they> only send out a locum 
who usually knows diddly squat (one diagnosed me with> gastric enteritis when 
it was actually almost a ruptured gall bladder) my> husband called out an 
ambulance against his wishes, or I could have been> dead! Also, even here in 
the UK the GP's are if not stinking rich, then> very nicely off. The 
consultants are stinking rich though, and they don't> do any work. Many years 
ago I would have agreed with you, but not since Mr> Greedy reared his ugly 
head. Dee > >     --  > >  why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around 
and find out.> > > -- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) > > > > > > 
---Original Message--- > > > > From: Faith Saint Francis > > Date: 
27/06/2007 19:20:15 > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: CS>Doctor 
unpopular > > > > > > Gail wrote: > > > > > > Anyway I want to warn against a 
witch–hunt of doctors. For quite a few of> them are good buddies. At least they 
mean well. If they took the profession> for the money involved, they made an 
awfully wrong mistake. . > > > > Yet: There still are medics who get up at 
three in the morning and go, at a> call for a difficult birth or a broken leg – 
or who after their work share> their time with the poor – or who don’t charge 
to those who don’t have> anyway. > > > > . > > > > FaithStFrancis > > > > > > > 
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Re: CS>Doctor unpopular

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Wonder if I replied to Leslie rather than to you, Dee.  You might check. 
I will, too.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: "Dee " 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>Doctor unpopular
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:37:30 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)

You have to be joking! Certainly not here in the UK would they come out at
night!  You have to be literally dying for them to do that, and then they
only send out a locum who usually knows diddly squat (one diagnosed me with
gastric enteritis when it was actually almost a ruptured gall bladder)  my
husband called out an ambulance against his wishes, or I could have been
dead!  Also, even here in the UK the GP's are if not stinking rich, then
very nicely off.  The consultants are stinking rich though, and they don't
do any work.  Many years ago I would have agreed with you, but not since Mr
Greedy reared his ugly head. Dee

    -- 



-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)





---Original Message---



From: Faith Saint Francis

Date: 27/06/2007 19:20:15

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: CS>Doctor unpopular





Gail wrote:





Anyway I want to warn against a witch–hunt of doctors. For quite a few of
them are good buddies. At least they mean well. If they took the profession
for the money involved, they made an awfully wrong mistake. .



Yet: There still are medics who get up at three in the morning and go, at a
call for a difficult birth or a broken leg – or who after their work 
share
their time with the poor – or who don’t charge to those who don’t 
have

anyway.



.



FaithStFrancis








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Re: CS>Re: homozon

[ruth strackbein]

Thanks, Leslie, That is reassuring coming from someone who has used it.  I 
still catch myself worrying about it at times.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: "Leslie" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:52:35 -0500

I gargle with this and have for several years, but dilute with a very small 
amt of water. This is good to kill the germs in the mouth that cause teeth 
to decay. Also, I had talked to a lady with someone who sold food grade and 
she said that she knew several people who used regular peroxide and it did 
not hurt them.
- Original Message - From: "ruth strackbein" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:42 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Re: homozon


Hi, Charles, Last summer I used H202 to soak veggies and in my bath. 
Didn't read an article carefully , or else decided that food-grade stuff 
was too expensive.  Think I also thought the stuff that was listed as 
being in the OTC H202 couldn't be that harmful if you can gargle with it. 
I have since wondered if some of my worsening colon problems could have 
been affected by that.  Any thoughts?  My doctor didn't seem too worried, 
but then , I had already done it for sometime before I told him, and there 
wasn't anything he could do about it by that time., I suspect it doesn;'t 
have any bearing, but wondering.  Ruth


From Ruth Strackbein



From: Charles Marcus 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: homozon
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:50:55 -0400


** Make no mistake.
Ozone WILL burn healthy tissues and so will Hydrogen Peroxide.


Correction - ozone (or H2O2) - in high enough *concentrations* - will 
burn healthy tissue. At normal (therapeutic) levels, it will *not*... 
PERIOD.


I know - I have a medical grade ozone generator made by Saul Pressman 
(and have been using it for many years).



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Re: CS>Doctor unpopular

[ruth strackbein]

Hi , Dee, I can understand how you would feel about doctors.  After your 
experiences with them anyone would be disgusted. But again, not all of them 
are like that.  Both my regular Doc and the surgeon who is a consultant go 
the extra mile to help me.  Surgeon calls between doing procedures at the 
hospital even in the evening sometimes when I have called into the office 
needing advice.  My regular Doc in the relatively close vicinity, called me 
last night after hours to reassure me about some concerns I was having.  
Both of them are as flexible as is possible given their training and the 
restrictions under which medical Drs. work.  Would that there would be 
"country doctors" like in long past years!  But then, they did not have all 
the expanding knowledge of how the human body works that we have today. But 
they don't know everything and many, or some, of them are the first to admit 
it.  I hope that you can find someone who is willing to really serve you as 
a patient. Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: "Dee " 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS>Doctor unpopular
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:37:30 +0100 (GMT Standard Time)

You have to be joking! Certainly not here in the UK would they come out at
night!  You have to be literally dying for them to do that, and then they
only send out a locum who usually knows diddly squat (one diagnosed me with
gastric enteritis when it was actually almost a ruptured gall bladder)  my
husband called out an ambulance against his wishes, or I could have been
dead!  Also, even here in the UK the GP's are if not stinking rich, then
very nicely off.  The consultants are stinking rich though, and they don't
do any work.  Many years ago I would have agreed with you, but not since Mr
Greedy reared his ugly head. Dee

    -- 



-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters)





---Original Message---



From: Faith Saint Francis

Date: 27/06/2007 19:20:15

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: CS>Doctor unpopular





Gail wrote:





Anyway I want to warn against a witch–hunt of doctors. For quite a few of
them are good buddies. At least they mean well. If they took the profession
for the money involved, they made an awfully wrong mistake. .



Yet: There still are medics who get up at three in the morning and go, at a
call for a difficult birth or a broken leg – or who after their work 
share
their time with the poor – or who don’t charge to those who don’t 
have

anyway.



.



FaithStFrancis








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Re: CS>Re: homozon

[Leslie]

I gargle with this and have for several years, but dilute with a very small 
amt of water. This is good to kill the germs in the mouth that cause teeth 
to decay. Also, I had talked to a lady with someone who sold food grade and 
she said that she knew several people who used regular peroxide and it did 
not hurt them.
- Original Message - 
From: "ruth strackbein" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:42 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Re: homozon


Hi, Charles, Last summer I used H202 to soak veggies and in my bath. 
Didn't read an article carefully , or else decided that food-grade stuff 
was too expensive.  Think I also thought the stuff that was listed as 
being in the OTC H202 couldn't be that harmful if you can gargle with it. 
I have since wondered if some of my worsening colon problems could have 
been affected by that.  Any thoughts?  My doctor didn't seem too worried, 
but then , I had already done it for sometime before I told him, and there 
wasn't anything he could do about it by that time., I suspect it doesn;'t 
have any bearing, but wondering.  Ruth


From Ruth Strackbein



From: Charles Marcus 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: homozon
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:50:55 -0400


** Make no mistake.
Ozone WILL burn healthy tissues and so will Hydrogen Peroxide.


Correction - ozone (or H2O2) - in high enough *concentrations* - will burn 
healthy tissue. At normal (therapeutic) levels, it will *not*... PERIOD.


I know - I have a medical grade ozone generator made by Saul Pressman (and 
have been using it for many years).



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RE: CS>Re: homozon

[ruth strackbein]

Hi, Charles, Last summer I used H202 to soak veggies and in my bath.  Didn't 
read an article carefully , or else decided that food-grade stuff was too 
expensive.  Think I also thought the stuff that was listed as being in the 
OTC H202 couldn't be that harmful if you can gargle with it.  I have since 
wondered if some of my worsening colon problems could have been affected by 
that.  Any thoughts?  My doctor didn't seem too worried, but then , I had 
already done it for sometime before I told him, and there wasn't anything he 
could do about it by that time., I suspect it doesn;'t have any bearing, but 
wondering.  Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: Charles Marcus 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: homozon
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:50:55 -0400


** Make no mistake.
Ozone WILL burn healthy tissues and so will Hydrogen Peroxide.


Correction - ozone (or H2O2) - in high enough *concentrations* - will burn 
healthy tissue. At normal (therapeutic) levels, it will *not*... PERIOD.


I know - I have a medical grade ozone generator made by Saul Pressman (and 
have been using it for many years).



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Re: CS>Doctor unpopular

[Dee]

You have to be joking! Certainly not here in the UK would they come out at
night!  You have to be literally dying for them to do that, and then they
only send out a locum who usually knows diddly squat (one diagnosed me with
gastric enteritis when it was actually almost a ruptured gall bladder)  my
husband called out an ambulance against his wishes, or I could have been
dead!  Also, even here in the UK the GP's are if not stinking rich, then
very nicely off.  The consultants are stinking rich though, and they don't
do any work.  Many years ago I would have agreed with you, but not since Mr
Greedy reared his ugly head. Dee  

    --  

 

-- (Terry Pratchett, Wyrd Sisters) 

 

 

---Original Message--- 

 

From: Faith Saint Francis 

Date: 27/06/2007 19:20:15 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: CS>Doctor unpopular 

 

 

Gail wrote: 

 

 

Anyway I want to warn against a witch–hunt of doctors. For quite a few of
them are good buddies. At least they mean well. If they took the profession
for the money involved, they made an awfully wrong mistake. . 

 

Yet: There still are medics who get up at three in the morning and go, at a
call for a difficult birth or a broken leg – or who after their work share
their time with the poor – or who don’t charge to those who don’t have
anyway. 

 

. 

 

FaithStFrancis 

 

 

 


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Re: CS> Colon and Coconut Oil

[ruth strackbein]

Hi,. Rowena, I feel blessed to have so many helpers on this website! Thank 
you all! Wish I could do all the things that everyone suggests. I haven't 
yet tried coconut oil, that is an option since it is a food not a pill.  
Actually, I may also heed what others are saying about my body being my own 
and the doctor doesn't have the final say about what I put into it.  But I 
feel I need to give this regimen a reasonable try.  I have changed from 
Citrucel which burned going down and went against everything in my diet 
plan.  My body has had very, very little sugar in the past three years for 
instance. Citrucel contains alot of sugar and additives.  I eat no 
additives, only plain fruits and vegetables, though limited in variety.  Now 
I am trying something called Unifiber that can be mixed with food.  Still 
not what I really want to put in my body, consists ofposered cellulose, corn 
syrup solids (sugar), and Xanthan Gum.  Know I have read something negative 
about the last one.
  Yesterday I tried an idea I got from the list (smitt?) , about using a 
few drops of apple cider vinegar in a little water for the burning pain.  
That did work.  Felt really good. I did that late afternoon and again at 
bedtime.  I am wondering if that is contributing to the diarrhea I am having 
today.  Pain was better all morning, but now is strong again.  Will try the 
vinegar again.
  I also realize that it would be better to go all alternative, however, 
there comes a time when something definitive has to be done when one's 
individual anatomy is concerned. I keep praying that the Lord will guide me 
.  I can see definite purposes  for his allowing this in my life. Ruth



From Ruth Strackbein




From: "Rowena" 
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: 
Subject: Re: CS> Colon and Coconut Oil
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:23:57 +0800

He has told me that it isn't severe enough to require
antacids regularly, just as needed.  Prilosec or anyof the other antacids
don't work.  I don't have a gall bladder any more.


Ruth, I am sure there was never a patient with as many well wishers as you
have.

I can't remember whether  virgin coconut oil has been mentioned at all.
I am not sure whether the absence of a gall bladder would make a 
difference.


For a web search VCNO, Bruce Fife, Mary Enig, would be good search strings
for a start.  Or, if you like, I could send you some of my saved documents
which are configured in such a way as to use the least amount of paper if
printed.

There are just so many good things to say about VCNO - and apparently, even
solidified copra-derived coconut oil, with all its faults, would have been
safer for the world than the multitudinous vegetable oils which pushed it
off its perch.

For anyone who wants a VCNO forum:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coconut_oil_open_forum

Rowena


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Re: CS>Re: homozon

[Marshall Dudley]

The only way I know is to use chelation.  I have used the Extreme Health 
oral chelation ( http://www.extremehealthusa.com/ ) successfully.


Marshall

Leslie wrote:
I am somewhat confused as to the best way to detox mercury from my 
body. Am I thinking right about getting ozone in my body will do this 
completely, or rather the best way to go about this? Poisoned with 
mercury!


Thanks,
Leslie
- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon





 Oxygen IS the free radical.
Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2]
When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in 
Hydrogen Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra oxygen 
that will join another one making O2 as a part of that molecule 
"burning" it, or sucking an Oxygen atom off  virtually anything it 
contacts, especially organic molecules.


O3 [Ozone] will rot the tires right off your car.
H2O2 burns germs AND everything else.  That's why 100% H2O2 is as 
dangerous as any strong acid.


In the body, it's probably other radical configurations that do 
damage but the mechanism is probably the same, based on the same 
principle.
If one radical meets another but different radical, there will be a 
battle over which molecule winds up with that extra Oxygen atom.  
Could also be neither and an O2 molecule released.


 Both will be changed one way or another.  Changed into *what*, is 
the question.  Is that *what* what you want, or something you don't?  
What sort of other seek and destroy mission happens when there are 
too many of either?


I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced into 
the body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free radicals there 
and by killing off weaker cells to stimulate growth of new ones to 
replace them...but.. over doing it could also be big trouble.


 A cancer cell and a cell undergoing DNA changes due to a virus 
invasion is generally weaker than an accurately made one  and I can 
imagine that healthy cells are pretty resilient...like a tire.

 So, imagine cleaning bug juice off your tires with a sand blaster.
 The tire won't be shiny when you get done, rough raw rubber with 
some of the good rubber gone...but it will be very clean and ready 
for an application of 'tire shine' .


'Oxygen' != (does not equal) 'oxidant'
 [Also doesn't equal anti oxident, sez that rusty nail. ]

Also, ozone != smog
 [Smog is  pollutants changed  *by* Ozone, not Ozone.  Ozone is just 
"fat" Oxygen.   Ozone does the same thing to lung tissue and just 
about any other organic molecule it contacts..hopefully, harmful 
unstable organic molecules first.  That stuff will eat the cord right 
off your hand drill as the drill motor brushes arcing produces it]


Like alcohol is always toxic and destructive, a little bit of 
destruction can be a help to reconstruction.  But somebody sober has 
to drive that big street sweeper or it'll wind up watching TV with 
you in your living room after it installs a big ragged picture window 
in the wall.


Ode


At 12:22 PM 6/26/2007 +0100, you wrote:

So oxygen is not the thing that causes free radicals, as I always 
thought?

Dee

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Re: CS>Re: Ruths digestive problem...

[Dee]

So what does this mean Charles, in terms of digestion, I mean i.e. How do
fats get digested,or don't they, do they just go out somehow?  I ask because
I don't have a gall bladder either.  Dee  

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From: Charles Marcus 

Date: 06/27/07 18:20:13 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: CS>Re: Ruths digestive problem... 

 

> I don't have a gall bladder any more. 

 

Bingo! 

 

Ruth, the gall bladder is responsible for storing bile produced by the 

Liver, and then dumping it when it is needed for digestion of fats - 

Bile is what is *required* to digest fats of any kind... 

 


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CS>Doctor unpopular

[Faith Saint Francis]

 
 Gail wrote:
 
>>As far as the word doctor being unpopular here, each will have to speak for 
>>themselves.<<
 
I do agree. 
A tiddy bitty frustrated for not being a doc. myself (my ol’ man was convinced 
I did not have the brains – just one of his great errors in my formation), I 
remained very interested in what happens in the medical field all of my life. 
 
I see a lot of fools around, with their doctor’s license in their pocket. Man 
they don’t even have common sense. (Which is a field quite far from 
intelligence) And lack of common sense astonishes me.
 
Of course our Forum is for many like a last refuge, for others a possibility of 
releasing their anger, frustration or fear of taking the road of freedom – i.e. 
deciding for themselves.
 
Anyway I want to warn against a witch–hunt of doctors. For quite a few of them 
are good buddies. At least they mean well. If they took the profession for the 
money involved, they made an awfully wrong mistake. If they can listen only to 
their formation they will always be limited. If they study their doctor’s 
journals at all, then maybe they are at least conscious of developments in 
their field. And the list of if’s can be prolonged at will.
 
Yet: There still are medics who get up at three in the morning and go, at a 
call for a difficult birth or a broken leg – or who after their work share 
their time with the poor – or who don’t charge to those who don’t have anyway.
 
Doctor unpopular? By right yes! I cannot wipe the post from my mind, where it 
was mentioned that several widows would still have had their husbands .. if the 
doctors had been honest and had done the right things. But that does not mean 
that all of them are like that. So let’s scrutinize well the one we’re with, 
and then confide in him/her or add him/her to the stake.
 
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Re: CS>Bananas and water

[Clayton Family]

That also happened here the summer of 1984 during the state fair- many 
of the marchers ended up in the hospital from heat exhaustion. We have 
had other very hot fairs, but people have been much more careful, with 
good effect.


On Jun 26, 2007, at 10:35 PM, CWFugitt wrote:


Never realized that bananas had a water association.

Later I will have to tell the story about a military dress parade and 
people passing out, by not drinking water.


Wayne




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CS>Re: homozon

[Charles Marcus]

I am somewhat confused as to the best way to detox mercury from my 
body. Am I thinking right about getting ozone in my body will do this 
completely, or rather the best way to go about this? Poisoned with 
mercury!


Mercury is a tough critter - probably one of the toughest.

Cilantro slurries is one way, but chlorella is probably the strongest 
natural chelator of mercury. I would alternate cilantro/chlorella 
slurries with bentonite clay/activated charcoal slurries if it were me, 
but it will take time...


I have heard of the zeolite, but I loathe MLM products... but who knows, 
it could be for real. I'd love to see some *real* scientific studies (as 
opposed to marketing hype)...



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CS>Re: homozon

[Charles Marcus]

** Make no mistake.
Ozone WILL burn healthy tissues and so will Hydrogen Peroxide.


Correction - ozone (or H2O2) - in high enough *concentrations* - will 
burn healthy tissue. At normal (therapeutic) levels, it will *not*... 
PERIOD.


I know - I have a medical grade ozone generator made by Saul Pressman 
(and have been using it for many years).



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CS>Re: homozon

[Charles Marcus]

Oxygen IS the free radical.
Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2]


A little confusing... there is a difference between an oxygen *atom* 
(O1) and an oxygen *molecule* (O2).


When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in 
Hydrogen Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra oxygen 
that will join another one making O2 as a part of that molecule 
"burning" it, or sucking an Oxygen atom off  virtually anything it 
contacts, especially organic molecules.


Ozone, in 'therapeutic' levels of concentration, will *not* harm healthy 
tissue, but *will* react with unhealthy tissue (and chemicals and 
pesticides and pretty much any other inorganic toxin in the body)...


I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced into 
the body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free radicals there 
and by killing off weaker cells to stimulate growth of new ones to 
replace them...but.. over doing it could also be big trouble.


Overdoing anything can cause problems - but therapeutic ozone is *very* 
safe and has been around for a *long* time.



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CS>Re: Free Radicals, Good or Bad ?

[Charles Marcus]

I always understood that when oxygen was 'burnt' it produced 'free 
radicals' (i.e. Waste product) which lodged in muscles,


This is a complex subject with a lot of double talk existing.
The body has been making them since Day 1. 


I would liken the question of free radicals to cancer - *everyone* has 
cancer cells in their body, *all* *the* *time*. The problem is not the 
cancer, it is the the body's inability to properly *deal* *with* the 
cancerous cells as and when they form.



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Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning

[Smitty]

I googled Zeolite and found this =

http://www.cqs.com/zeolite.htm

any thoughts on this negative slant ?

Smitty



On 6/27/07, bbanever  wrote:

Leslie,

 The absolute best way to detox from mercury or other heavy metals is
with liquid Zeolite IMO.  It worked like a miracle for me I was poisoned
after having an amalgam filling removed.  I thought I was losing my mind
I used PCA Rx which did help but after several weeks and three bottles I
still had residual effects and didn't know what to do.  Jim Howenstein MD
told be to use zeolite and it worked like a charm  I took 10 drops three
times a day for two weeks after five days I felt completely normal
although I completed the two weeks.  Unfortunately, it is sold via MLM but
please don't let that deter you this stuff is worth it's weight in gold.
Here is a link if you want more info or to purchase... or just Google it.

http://my.waiora.com/home.php?950148

Best of luck to you.

Bob
- Original Message -
From: "Leslie" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon


>I am somewhat confused as to the best way to detox mercury from my body. Am
>I thinking right about getting ozone in my body will do this completely, or
>rather the best way to go about this? Poisoned with mercury!
>
> Thanks,
> Leslie
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ode Coyote" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:53 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon
>
>
>>
>>
>>  Oxygen IS the free radical.
>> Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2]
>> When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in Hydrogen
>> Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra oxygen that will join
>> another one making O2 as a part of that molecule "burning" it, or sucking
>> an Oxygen atom off  virtually anything it contacts, especially organic
>> molecules.
>>
>> O3 [Ozone] will rot the tires right off your car.
>> H2O2 burns germs AND everything else.  That's why 100% H2O2 is as
>> dangerous as any strong acid.
>>
>> In the body, it's probably other radical configurations that do damage
>> but the mechanism is probably the same, based on the same principle.
>> If one radical meets another but different radical, there will be a
>> battle over which molecule winds up with that extra Oxygen atom.  Could
>> also be neither and an O2 molecule released.
>>
>>  Both will be changed one way or another.  Changed into *what*, is the
>> question.  Is that *what* what you want, or something you don't?  What
>> sort of other seek and destroy mission happens when there are too many of
>> either?
>>
>> I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced into the
>> body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free radicals there and by
>> killing off weaker cells to stimulate growth of new ones to replace
>> them...but.. over doing it could also be big trouble.
>>
>>  A cancer cell and a cell undergoing DNA changes due to a virus invasion
>> is generally weaker than an accurately made one  and I can imagine that
>> healthy cells are pretty resilient...like a tire.
>>  So, imagine cleaning bug juice off your tires with a sand blaster.
>>  The tire won't be shiny when you get done, rough raw rubber with some of
>> the good rubber gone...but it will be very clean and ready for an
>> application of 'tire shine' .
>>
>> 'Oxygen' != (does not equal) 'oxidant'
>>  [Also doesn't equal anti oxident, sez that rusty nail. ]
>>
>> Also, ozone != smog
>>  [Smog is  pollutants changed  *by* Ozone, not Ozone.  Ozone is just
>> "fat" Oxygen.   Ozone does the same thing to lung tissue and just about
>> any other organic molecule it contacts..hopefully, harmful unstable
>> organic molecules first.  That stuff will eat the cord right off your
>> hand drill as the drill motor brushes arcing produces it]
>>
>> Like alcohol is always toxic and destructive, a little bit of destruction
>> can be a help to reconstruction.  But somebody sober has to drive that
>> big street sweeper or it'll wind up watching TV with you in your living
>> room after it installs a big ragged picture window in the wall.
>>
>> Ode
>>
>>
>> At 12:22 PM 6/26/2007 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>>>So oxygen is not the thing that causes free radicals, as I always
>>>thought?
>>>Dee
>>>
>>> --
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>>>why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.>
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CS>Anatomy of Ruth's colon/doctors unpopular on list

[Gail Naranjo]

From: "ruth strackbein" 
>
Hi, I am listening, however, the doctor I am working
> with wants me to drink 
> that much water right now. I try to remember not to
> drink around mealtime, 
> though.  I realize the word Doctor is not a very
> good word here, but , 
> nonetheless there are enough actual physical
> problems with my colon to 
> warrant seeking help from one.  
==

Hello Ruth,

I accord to me that this is the very problem which
you've suffered from at a very early age.  Probably
born with it.  You mentioned you have an extra long,
floppy colon that tends to kink.  You also mentioned
your age to be 79, if memory serves me.  Perhaps in
younger years, when there was better muscle support,
the problem wasn't as bad?  However, like everything
else, when we age, things start moving south.  That
alone could cause even more kinking.  With all that,
I'm not sure if the things that have been suggested
would be adequate to correct the situation.  I was
also wondering if they do have to do the surgery,
would they just be removing some extra colon, taking
out the excess while leaving the rest?

As far as the word doctor being unpopular here, each
will have to speak for themself.  It's not unpopular
to me.  However, you have to realize most have not
been able to get whatever problem they are faced with
resolved by allopathic treatment, and have thus turned
to alternative means.  I don't have a problem with
that at all.  Personally, I would love to see things
integrated so that one would compliment the other. 
There are times when both alternative and allopathy
have their limitations.   IMO, sometimes we need the
help of both.

Take care,

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CS>Re: Ruths digestive problem...

[Charles Marcus]

I don't have a gall bladder any more.


Bingo!

Ruth, the gall bladder is responsible for storing bile produced by the 
liver, and then dumping it when it is needed for digestion of fats - 
bile is what is *required* to digest fats of any kind...


See this link for more info:
http://tinyurl.com/32eeva

Then see this link - scroll down to where it talks about 'Gall Bladder 
Relief Kits'...


You absolutely need to start taking bile - and I'd say HCL supplements - 
asap... this very well may be the 'miracle' you've been looking for. I 
put 'miracle' in quotes because it really isn't - it is just the 
ignorance of the doctors that have been treating you.



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CS>Re: Going Bananas and drinking enough water

[Charles Marcus]

A better rule of thumb is take your body weight, divide by 2
and this is the number of ounces of water needed per day.
This comes out to one half ounce of water per pound
per day. Note that this may exceed 8 cups a day for some.

>

A half ounce per pound seems a reasonable amount to me to
keep the body both hydrated and flushed.


'Seems reasonable' is not what I would call a good general rule of thumb.

The recommendation you gave above - again - has no scientific basis in 
*fact*.


Basing a recommendation solely on body weight is meaningless. Other 
factors that would *have* to be considered before it would even *begin* 
to be 'reasonable' would be:


1. Environment (does the person live in the Sahara desert or in Maine?)

2. Activity level (sedentary or active lifestyle)?

3. Dietary habits (does the person eat a lot of high water content foods?)

4. Current state of health/BMI (is the person obese?)

Etc... see my point?


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CS>Zeolite

[Gail Naranjo]

Bob,

Will zeolite work if one still has amalgam fillings
and don't remove them?

Thanks,

Gail


  

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CS>Ozone

[Gail Naranjo]

--- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote:

 ** Make no mistake.
>   Ozone WILL burn healthy tissues and so will
> Hydrogen Peroxide.  Unhealthy 
> tissues burn more easily, like tinder compared to
> oak beams.
> It's use *can* be practical, similar to sanding a
> wall to prep it for a new 
> coat of cellular paint, but you can also sand that
> wall to dust.  
===

Hi Ode & List,

I think being practical is pretty good advice.  When I
first started doing ozone (saunas), I ended up
actually scaring from the so called 'ozone rash'. 
Some said it was the 'toxins' exiting the skin, and to
continue until no more rashing.

People, I'd have to say use your own judgment, when
using ozone.  I ended up backing way off and now
thoroughly love it.  However, as far as the promises
of it healing, I've yet to see it.  Best I can come up
with is that it makes me 'feel ' better, and that's
not a bad thing for sure.  It does seem to have it's
limitations, tho.

Gail


   

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Re: CS>Effect of Heating CS?

[Marshall Dudley]

Heat tends to accelerate aggregation, so you can end up with much bigger 
particles than before.


Marshall

Durham wrote:
What happens to CS if it's heated to, say, 200 degrees or 
so--something that would steep tea? And how about prolonged boiling? 
Would either or both of these significantly alter the structure, 
or...? Thank you.



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Re: CS>Free Radicals, Good or Bad ?

[Dee]

This I also understand Wayne, because in days gone by people didn't eat
sugar on the scale they do now, it just wasn't around.  I also understand
that the immune system is *made* of free radicals but it is when the system
becomes overloaded with them (as always) that the trouble starts.  Thanks
for the link. Dee  

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---Original Message--- 

 

From: CWFugitt 

Date: 27/06/2007 12:47:08 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: CS>Free Radicals, Good or Bad ? 

 

Considering they exist in the body, I can't believe they are all bad. 

 

That may well be true, but I think the only time to worry would be over 

Exercise and primarily in unhealthy people. 

 

I have exercised relatively hard over lots of years. Had never even heard 

The term many years back, and of course was not concerned. 

 

As for drinks after exercising, logical or course. Water, fruit juice or 

Whatever. 

 

One coach said long ago, you could not damage a healthy heart by extreme 

Exercise. He had pushed football players, pushing the ground slide, until 

They passed out. No heart damage. 

 

Many wise and knowledgeable coaches have had lots of good ideas over the
years. 

 

Some free radicals kill bacteria and even virus. A healthy body does not 

Have the habit of making bad things. 

 

 

Yes, I agree they may be a problem today, but more so for an unhealthy body 

With compromised body chemistry than for a healthy one. 

 

Here is an interesting link. 

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2002/guarente.html 

 

Wayne 

 

 

 

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Re: CS>Re: homozon

[Dee]

I think I've got it now Ode, through all the colourful similes <> Dee  

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---Original Message--- 

 

From: Ode Coyote 

Date: 27/06/2007 15:12:28 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon 

 

 

Oxygen IS the free radical. 

Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2] 

When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in Hydrogen 

Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra oxygen that will join 

Another one making O2 as a part of that molecule "burning" it, or sucking 

An Oxygen atom off virtually anything it contacts, especially organic 

Molecules. 

 


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CS>Re: CS>Free Radicals, Good or Bad? – a note on cancer.

[Dee]

I thought that free radicals were cells which lacked an electron, and then
went along and stole one from a healthy cell, which then became imbalanced
also.  The role of the anti oxidants is to give the unbalanced cell one of
its own electrons, without imbalancing itself.  If the cell does *not* have
its electron replaced, then I always understood that it then went on to
scavenge electrons from other cells, finally entering the DNA itself and
changing that; hence, cancer.  This is what I have read anyway.  Dee  

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---Original Message--- 

 

From: Faith Saint Francis 

Date: 27/06/2007 15:43:47 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: CS>Free Radicals, Good or Bad? – a note on cancer. 

 

 

In C.W. Fugitt’s post I found: 

 

>>Considering they [..free rads..] exist in the body, I can't believe they
are all bad.<< 

 

Indeed. They are not bad in the sense that the body MUST have the power to
do away with them. A healthy body always has that power. 

 

A healthy body contains EVERYTHING nature provided, and EVERYTHING has its
purpose in the system. 

 

Did you know that everybody has cancer? You and I and all of them out-there
have cancer cells in our system. Continually! 

 


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Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning

[Dee]

It is prohibitively expensive though.  Dee  

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---Original Message--- 

 

From: bbanever 

Date: 06/27/07 15:50:37 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning 

 

Leslie, 

 

The absolute best way to detox from mercury or other heavy metals is 

With liquid Zeolite IMO. It worked like a miracle for me I was poisoned 

After having an amalgam filling removed. I thought I was losing my mind 

I used PCA Rx which did help but after several weeks and three bottles I 

Still had residual effects and didn't know what to do. Jim Howenstein MD 

Told be to use zeolite and it worked like a charm I took 10 drops three 

Times a day for two weeks After five days I felt completely normal 

Although I completed the two weeks. Unfortunately, it is sold via MLM but 

Please don't let that deter you This stuff is worth it's weight in gold.


Here is a link if you want more info or to purchase... Or just Google it. 

 

http://my.waiora.com/home.php?950148 

 

Best of luck to you. 

 

Bob 


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Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning

[Richard]

Bob, would Zeolite IMO be alright to give to a child ? thanks- Richard
On 27/06/2007, at 16:40, bbanever wrote:


Leslie,

The absolute best way to detox from mercury or other heavy  
metals is with liquid Zeolite IMO.  It worked like a miracle for  
me I was poisoned after having an amalgam filling removed.  I  
thought I was losing my mind I used PCA Rx which did help but  
after several weeks and three bottles I still had residual effects  
and didn't know what to do.  Jim Howenstein MD told be to use  
zeolite and it worked like a charm  I took 10 drops three times a  
day for two weeks after five days I felt completely normal  
although I completed the two weeks.  Unfortunately, it is sold via  
MLM but please don't let that deter you this stuff is worth  
it's weight in gold. Here is a link if you want more info or to  
purchase... or just Google it.


http://my.waiora.com/home.php?950148

Best of luck to you.

Bob
- Original Message - From: "Leslie"  


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon


I am somewhat confused as to the best way to detox mercury from my  
body. Am I thinking right about getting ozone in my body will do  
this completely, or rather the best way to go about this? Poisoned  
with mercury!


Thanks,
Leslie
- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote"  


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon





 Oxygen IS the free radical.
Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2]
When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in  
Hydrogen Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra  
oxygen that will join another one making O2 as a part of that  
molecule "burning" it, or sucking an Oxygen atom off  virtually  
anything it contacts, especially organic molecules.


O3 [Ozone] will rot the tires right off your car.
H2O2 burns germs AND everything else.  That's why 100% H2O2 is as  
dangerous as any strong acid.


In the body, it's probably other radical configurations that do  
damage but the mechanism is probably the same, based on the same  
principle.
If one radical meets another but different radical, there will be  
a battle over which molecule winds up with that extra Oxygen  
atom.  Could also be neither and an O2 molecule released.


 Both will be changed one way or another.  Changed into *what*,  
is the question.  Is that *what* what you want, or something you  
don't?  What sort of other seek and destroy mission happens when  
there are too many of either?


I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced  
into the body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free  
radicals there and by killing off weaker cells to stimulate  
growth of new ones to replace them...but.. over doing it could  
also be big trouble.


 A cancer cell and a cell undergoing DNA changes due to a virus  
invasion is generally weaker than an accurately made one  and I  
can imagine that healthy cells are pretty resilient...like a tire.

 So, imagine cleaning bug juice off your tires with a sand blaster.
 The tire won't be shiny when you get done, rough raw rubber with  
some of the good rubber gone...but it will be very clean and  
ready for an application of 'tire shine' .


'Oxygen' != (does not equal) 'oxidant'
 [Also doesn't equal anti oxident, sez that rusty nail. ]

Also, ozone != smog
 [Smog is  pollutants changed  *by* Ozone, not Ozone.  Ozone is  
just "fat" Oxygen.   Ozone does the same thing to lung tissue and  
just about any other organic molecule it contacts..hopefully,  
harmful unstable organic molecules first.  That stuff will eat  
the cord right off your hand drill as the drill motor brushes  
arcing produces it]


Like alcohol is always toxic and destructive, a little bit of  
destruction can be a help to reconstruction.  But somebody sober  
has to drive that big street sweeper or it'll wind up watching TV  
with you in your living room after it installs a big ragged  
picture window in the wall.


Ode


At 12:22 PM 6/26/2007 +0100, you wrote:

So oxygen is not the thing that causes free radicals, as I  
always thought?

Dee

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one knows

why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.>

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Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning

[Leslie]

Did taking CS help or hinder with the mercury in your system? May I ask what 
all symptoms you had? Someone delibertly poisoned me and I also have mercury 
fillings. Was thinking to have one cut out since the cap came off! Guess I 
better wait.


Thanks,
Leslie- Original Message - 
From: "bbanever" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning



Leslie,

The absolute best way to detox from mercury or other heavy metals is 
with liquid Zeolite IMO.  It worked like a miracle for me I was 
poisoned after having an amalgam filling removed.  I thought I was losing 
my mind I used PCA Rx which did help but after several weeks and three 
bottles I still had residual effects and didn't know what to do.  Jim 
Howenstein MD told be to use zeolite and it worked like a charm  I took 10 
drops three times a day for two weeks after five days I felt 
completely normal although I completed the two weeks.  Unfortunately, it 
is sold via MLM but please don't let that deter you this stuff is 
worth it's weight in gold. Here is a link if you want more info or to 
purchase... or just Google it.


http://my.waiora.com/home.php?950148

Best of luck to you.

Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Leslie" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon


I am somewhat confused as to the best way to detox mercury from my body. 
Am I thinking right about getting ozone in my body will do this 
completely, or rather the best way to go about this? Poisoned with 
mercury!


Thanks,
Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon





 Oxygen IS the free radical.
Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2]
When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in Hydrogen 
Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra oxygen that will 
join another one making O2 as a part of that molecule "burning" it, or 
sucking an Oxygen atom off  virtually anything it contacts, especially 
organic molecules.


O3 [Ozone] will rot the tires right off your car.
H2O2 burns germs AND everything else.  That's why 100% H2O2 is as 
dangerous as any strong acid.


In the body, it's probably other radical configurations that do damage 
but the mechanism is probably the same, based on the same principle.
If one radical meets another but different radical, there will be a 
battle over which molecule winds up with that extra Oxygen atom.  Could 
also be neither and an O2 molecule released.


 Both will be changed one way or another.  Changed into *what*, is the 
question.  Is that *what* what you want, or something you don't?  What 
sort of other seek and destroy mission happens when there are too many 
of either?


I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced into the 
body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free radicals there and by 
killing off weaker cells to stimulate growth of new ones to replace 
them...but.. over doing it could also be big trouble.


 A cancer cell and a cell undergoing DNA changes due to a virus invasion 
is generally weaker than an accurately made one  and I can imagine that 
healthy cells are pretty resilient...like a tire.

 So, imagine cleaning bug juice off your tires with a sand blaster.
 The tire won't be shiny when you get done, rough raw rubber with some 
of the good rubber gone...but it will be very clean and ready for an 
application of 'tire shine' .


'Oxygen' != (does not equal) 'oxidant'
 [Also doesn't equal anti oxident, sez that rusty nail. ]

Also, ozone != smog
 [Smog is  pollutants changed  *by* Ozone, not Ozone.  Ozone is just 
"fat" Oxygen.   Ozone does the same thing to lung tissue and just about 
any other organic molecule it contacts..hopefully, harmful unstable 
organic molecules first.  That stuff will eat the cord right off your 
hand drill as the drill motor brushes arcing produces it]


Like alcohol is always toxic and destructive, a little bit of 
destruction can be a help to reconstruction.  But somebody sober has to 
drive that big street sweeper or it'll wind up watching TV with you in 
your living room after it installs a big ragged picture window in the 
wall.


Ode


At 12:22 PM 6/26/2007 +0100, you wrote:

So oxygen is not the thing that causes free radicals, as I always 
thought?

Dee

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RE: CS>Bananas and water

[Faith Saint Francis]

Hullow Wayne!
 
Water in connection with constipation - logic leads to an easier stool after 
drinking water.
 
Have a problem with the early morning stool? (6.30 / 7.00 according to the 
organ clock):
Take a half cup of tepid water with a little natural lemon juice and see what 
happens.
 
Watch out with "too much is better than too little". (Ye dunnow hu'z reading, 
right?) Extremes can be fatal - with water or with anything.
 
The intake of water (as was correctly stated in one of the previous posts) 
depends greatly on the geographic situation. In Mexico or in the Sahara the 
addition of body-salt is a must. In the northern regions the need of water 
(without salt) is less than in areas where we sweat more, but still is a must 
(winter air can be very dry.)
 
>>the story about a military dress parade and people passing out<< 
See?
 
FaithStFrancis> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:35:24 -0500> To: 
silver-list@eskimo.com> From: c_wa...@earthlink.net> Subject: CS>Bananas and 
water> > Evening Faith,> > >> At 10:20 PM 6/26/2007, you wrote:> > >I drink a 
little bit (a quart to a half cup) of water.> >In this way I can never have a 
shortage.> > I think too much is better than too little. I drink water 
constantly, > all day long. I am never without a bottle or a glass of water.> 
This don't mean I drink an excessive amount.> > What am I missing about the 
bananas and water?> I have eaten bananas for years, and drank water also.> > 
Never realized that bananas had a water association.> > Later I will have to 
tell the story about a military dress parade and > people passing out, by not 
drinking water.> > Wayne> > > > --> The Silver List is a moderated forum for 
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RE: CS>[List Owner] I'm here...

[Faith Saint Francis]

Good thing to see you, Captain!
Very very good thing!
FaithStFrancis> From: mdev...@eskimo.com> To: silver-list@eskimo.com> Date: 
Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:55:59 -0500> Subject: CS>[List Owner] I'm here...> > Hi 
folks,> > In response to a few comments and issues:> > Yes, I'm here. Life 
continues to be too busy. Things will improve in > time but they're not ready 
to just yet. > > I'm not always right up-to-date with the list, but I am ready 
to > respond if something gets out of whack. However, as always, I depend on > 
and expect all of you to govern your own behavior.> > I'd like Wayne and 
Kirsteen to call a truce now. And Chuck? Please > don't bring up the darned dog 
thing!!! > > I think it's an appropriate time to retire the threads about 
gmail, > subject lines, idiots, programmers, and anything to do with dog > 
training. > > We have a couple of newcomers whose questions are being 
neglected. > Please give them your attention.> > Thank you.> > Mike Devour> 
silver-list owner> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]> 
[mdev...@eskimo.com ]> [Speaking only for myself... ]> > > --> The Silver List 
is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.> > Instructions for 
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CS>Free Radicals, Good or Bad? – a note on cancer.

[Faith Saint Francis]

 
 In C.W. Fugitt’s post I found:
 
>>Considering they [..free rads..] exist in the body, I can't believe they are 
>>all bad.<<
 
Indeed. They are not bad in the sense that the body MUST have the power to do 
away with them. A healthy body always has that power.
 
A healthy body contains EVERYTHING nature provided, and EVERYTHING has its 
purpose in the system.
 
Did you know that everybody has cancer? You and I and all of them out-there 
have cancer cells in our system. Continually! 
 
The point is that a, for whatever reason, a weak body can not rid itself of 
these cells, and they have the opportunity to grow, and later spread – end of 
story. 
 
In this same way many -a great many- not too benevolent micro-organisms are 
there (those causing the common cold, for one good example). But the 
defense-system, if in good order, (and/or with the help of a little silver in 
the blood, or with a good amount of vitamins) purges them out.
 
There are even enlightened medics who’d like to shed new light on the 
phenomenon of the “common cold”, but that would lead us to another topic.
 
Just a comment,
Much obliged,
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Re: CS>Re: homozon/mercury poisoning

[bbanever]

Leslie,

The absolute best way to detox from mercury or other heavy metals is 
with liquid Zeolite IMO.  It worked like a miracle for me I was poisoned 
after having an amalgam filling removed.  I thought I was losing my mind 
I used PCA Rx which did help but after several weeks and three bottles I 
still had residual effects and didn't know what to do.  Jim Howenstein MD 
told be to use zeolite and it worked like a charm  I took 10 drops three 
times a day for two weeks after five days I felt completely normal 
although I completed the two weeks.  Unfortunately, it is sold via MLM but 
please don't let that deter you this stuff is worth it's weight in gold. 
Here is a link if you want more info or to purchase... or just Google it.


http://my.waiora.com/home.php?950148

Best of luck to you.

Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Leslie" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon


I am somewhat confused as to the best way to detox mercury from my body. Am 
I thinking right about getting ozone in my body will do this completely, or 
rather the best way to go about this? Poisoned with mercury!


Thanks,
Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon





 Oxygen IS the free radical.
Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2]
When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in Hydrogen 
Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra oxygen that will join 
another one making O2 as a part of that molecule "burning" it, or sucking 
an Oxygen atom off  virtually anything it contacts, especially organic 
molecules.


O3 [Ozone] will rot the tires right off your car.
H2O2 burns germs AND everything else.  That's why 100% H2O2 is as 
dangerous as any strong acid.


In the body, it's probably other radical configurations that do damage 
but the mechanism is probably the same, based on the same principle.
If one radical meets another but different radical, there will be a 
battle over which molecule winds up with that extra Oxygen atom.  Could 
also be neither and an O2 molecule released.


 Both will be changed one way or another.  Changed into *what*, is the 
question.  Is that *what* what you want, or something you don't?  What 
sort of other seek and destroy mission happens when there are too many of 
either?


I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced into the 
body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free radicals there and by 
killing off weaker cells to stimulate growth of new ones to replace 
them...but.. over doing it could also be big trouble.


 A cancer cell and a cell undergoing DNA changes due to a virus invasion 
is generally weaker than an accurately made one  and I can imagine that 
healthy cells are pretty resilient...like a tire.

 So, imagine cleaning bug juice off your tires with a sand blaster.
 The tire won't be shiny when you get done, rough raw rubber with some of 
the good rubber gone...but it will be very clean and ready for an 
application of 'tire shine' .


'Oxygen' != (does not equal) 'oxidant'
 [Also doesn't equal anti oxident, sez that rusty nail. ]

Also, ozone != smog
 [Smog is  pollutants changed  *by* Ozone, not Ozone.  Ozone is just 
"fat" Oxygen.   Ozone does the same thing to lung tissue and just about 
any other organic molecule it contacts..hopefully, harmful unstable 
organic molecules first.  That stuff will eat the cord right off your 
hand drill as the drill motor brushes arcing produces it]


Like alcohol is always toxic and destructive, a little bit of destruction 
can be a help to reconstruction.  But somebody sober has to drive that 
big street sweeper or it'll wind up watching TV with you in your living 
room after it installs a big ragged picture window in the wall.


Ode


At 12:22 PM 6/26/2007 +0100, you wrote:

So oxygen is not the thing that causes free radicals, as I always 
thought?

Dee

    -- 

knows

why, but it might not be a good idea to hang around and find out.>

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Re: CS>Re: homozon

[Leslie]

I am somewhat confused as to the best way to detox mercury from my body. Am 
I thinking right about getting ozone in my body will do this completely, or 
rather the best way to go about this? Poisoned with mercury!


Thanks,
Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Re: homozon





 Oxygen IS the free radical.
Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2]
When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in Hydrogen 
Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra oxygen that will join 
another one making O2 as a part of that molecule "burning" it, or sucking 
an Oxygen atom off  virtually anything it contacts, especially organic 
molecules.


O3 [Ozone] will rot the tires right off your car.
H2O2 burns germs AND everything else.  That's why 100% H2O2 is as 
dangerous as any strong acid.


In the body, it's probably other radical configurations that do damage but 
the mechanism is probably the same, based on the same principle.
If one radical meets another but different radical, there will be a battle 
over which molecule winds up with that extra Oxygen atom.  Could also be 
neither and an O2 molecule released.


 Both will be changed one way or another.  Changed into *what*, is the 
question.  Is that *what* what you want, or something you don't?  What 
sort of other seek and destroy mission happens when there are too many of 
either?


I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced into the 
body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free radicals there and by 
killing off weaker cells to stimulate growth of new ones to replace 
them...but.. over doing it could also be big trouble.


 A cancer cell and a cell undergoing DNA changes due to a virus invasion 
is generally weaker than an accurately made one  and I can imagine that 
healthy cells are pretty resilient...like a tire.

 So, imagine cleaning bug juice off your tires with a sand blaster.
 The tire won't be shiny when you get done, rough raw rubber with some of 
the good rubber gone...but it will be very clean and ready for an 
application of 'tire shine' .


'Oxygen' != (does not equal) 'oxidant'
 [Also doesn't equal anti oxident, sez that rusty nail. ]

Also, ozone != smog
 [Smog is  pollutants changed  *by* Ozone, not Ozone.  Ozone is just "fat" 
Oxygen.   Ozone does the same thing to lung tissue and just about any 
other organic molecule it contacts..hopefully, harmful unstable organic 
molecules first.  That stuff will eat the cord right off your hand drill 
as the drill motor brushes arcing produces it]


Like alcohol is always toxic and destructive, a little bit of destruction 
can be a help to reconstruction.  But somebody sober has to drive that big 
street sweeper or it'll wind up watching TV with you in your living room 
after it installs a big ragged picture window in the wall.


Ode


At 12:22 PM 6/26/2007 +0100, you wrote:


So oxygen is not the thing that causes free radicals, as I always thought?
Dee

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Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[G Murray]

http://www.citrucel.com/citrucel_benefits.aspx
Other fiber powders, including Metamucil, contain psyllium. Psyllium can 
ferment in your body to produce excess gas. The fiber in Citrucel, 
methylcellulose, can't ferment so it will not produce excess gas*.


http://www.gicare.com/pated/methylcellulose.htm
What is methylcellulose?

This product is a synthetic chemical that loves water. It stays within 
the intestinal tract and is not absorbed. By attracting and holding 
water, it creates a softer stool. It is not a true harsh stimulant 
laxative which should be taken only occasionally. Methylcellulose can be 
taken long-term. Since it absorbs fluid, it may be helpful at times for 
diarrhea. It does not lower cholesterol..


How about side effects?

Adverse reactions can occur with any drug, even over-the-counter 
medications. Some of these are mild such as a stomach upset, which may 
be avoided by taking the medication with food. Minor reactions may go 
away on their own but if they persist, contact the physician. For major 
reactions, the patient should contact the physician immediately.


For methylcellulose, the following are the observed side effects:

Minor:

   * bloating
   * diarrhea
   * rumbling sounds
   * nausea
   * mild abdominal cramps

Major:

   * severe abdominal pain
   * vomiting
   * difficulty swallowing



Clayton Family wrote:


Ruth,

is citrucel like metamucil? I thought that was the same as flax seeds 
ground up. They are pretty cheap, and can be ground in the kitchen 
blender using a jelly jar instead of the big blender pitcher. But if 
things burn going down, what does he say about that? Well, best 
wishes.  -Kathryn




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Re: CS>Re: homozon

[Ode Coyote]

At 08:56 AM 6/26/2007 -0400, you wrote:


So oxygen is not the thing that causes free radicals, as I always thought?


That is correct - it does not.

Ozone, which *is* an oxidant, will oxodize toxins (whilenot harming 
healthy tissue) which can then be removed using clay/bentonite slurries 
(the absolute best way to remove heavy metals/chemicals/pesticides, etc) 
with little to no strain on the normal eliminative organs (liver/kidneys, 
colon and skin).


** Make no mistake.
 Ozone WILL burn healthy tissues and so will Hydrogen Peroxide.  Unhealthy 
tissues burn more easily, like tinder compared to oak beams.
It's use *can* be practical, similar to sanding a wall to prep it for a new 
coat of cellular paint, but you can also sand that wall to dust.  The high 
dilution of both is akin to using fine 400 grit sandpaper on a hand sanding 
block vs course 80 grit on a belt sander.


One way to prep a wooden wall is to apply just the right amount of heat 
with a torch to burn off the old paint, but not the wall.
 "Hold" that torch in place too long and it WILL make a nice big charcoal 
spot.  A torch is a torch.


 The idea is to sand off the old crappy dull paint, control the paint dust 
load in the air with the slurry like a vacuum cleaner .then stop 
sanding and start painting.
You can also scuff the new paint before applying the next coat.  If the old 
paint has integrity under the dull surface, all you need is a good scuffing 
of the old *surface* to get a good bond on a renewed surface.


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Re: CS> ( Idiot Programmers )

[Ode Coyote]

At 02:38 PM 6/26/2007 +0100, you wrote:



On 6/26/07, CWFugitt <c_wa...@earthlink.net> 
wrote:

  Very unfortunate.

   I don't think you know the meaning of  "IF"


Oh I know the meaning of IF.  Please don't continue to insult me. IF Gmail 
allowed me to change it or IF it did not allow me to change it, I still 
have absolutely no wish to change a program that suits me in so many ways.


"Wise people change their mind, Fools never do".


I change my mind whenever I'm presented with concrete evidence that 
contradicts my present way of thinking. I'll consider changing my mind 
when I'm presented with views that make sense by people I respect.





 I would never consider changing my mind because you said I should.

Kirsteen



...therefore, you have become impossible to insult and anything anyone CAN 
say is a simple suggestion to be used or discarded.

That which is not "bought" CANNOT be"sold".

Letting other people define you with their words is a sure way to get 
yourself mis-defined and blaming another for that mis-definition is a sure 
way to become totally helpless to re-define yourself.


"PC" is a catastrophe in the making for that reason.  There is no end to 
where fingers can be pointedand they change nothing. It places power 
exactly where it can't be used in the hands of those who care the least.
..might as well hope the rain will keep the storm from getting you wet by 
insisting that water dry itself and still be water.


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Re: CS>Re: homozon

[Ode Coyote]

 Oxygen IS the free radical.
Oxygen wants very much to be a molecule of 2 Oxygen atoms [O2]
When it's in a unstable compound in an unbalance state like in Hydrogen 
Peroxide [H2O2 ] and Ozone [O3] there is that extra oxygen that will join 
another one making O2 as a part of that molecule "burning" it, or sucking 
an Oxygen atom off  virtually anything it contacts, especially organic 
molecules.


O3 [Ozone] will rot the tires right off your car.
H2O2 burns germs AND everything else.  That's why 100% H2O2 is as dangerous 
as any strong acid.


In the body, it's probably other radical configurations that do damage but 
the mechanism is probably the same, based on the same principle.
If one radical meets another but different radical, there will be a battle 
over which molecule winds up with that extra Oxygen atom.  Could also be 
neither and an O2 molecule released.


 Both will be changed one way or another.  Changed into *what*, is the 
question.  Is that *what* what you want, or something you don't?  What sort 
of other seek and destroy mission happens when there are too many of either?


I can see where just the right amount of O3 or H2O2 introduced into the 
body could be a benefit, both by scavenging free radicals there and by 
killing off weaker cells to stimulate growth of new ones to replace 
them...but.. over doing it could also be big trouble.


 A cancer cell and a cell undergoing DNA changes due to a virus invasion 
is generally weaker than an accurately made one  and I can imagine that 
healthy cells are pretty resilient...like a tire.

 So, imagine cleaning bug juice off your tires with a sand blaster.
 The tire won't be shiny when you get done, rough raw rubber with some of 
the good rubber gone...but it will be very clean and ready for an 
application of 'tire shine' .


'Oxygen' != (does not equal) 'oxidant'
 [Also doesn't equal anti oxident, sez that rusty nail. ]

Also, ozone != smog
 [Smog is  pollutants changed  *by* Ozone, not Ozone.  Ozone is just "fat" 
Oxygen.   Ozone does the same thing to lung tissue and just about any other 
organic molecule it contacts..hopefully, harmful unstable organic molecules 
first.  That stuff will eat the cord right off your hand drill as the drill 
motor brushes arcing produces it]


Like alcohol is always toxic and destructive, a little bit of destruction 
can be a help to reconstruction.  But somebody sober has to drive that big 
street sweeper or it'll wind up watching TV with you in your living room 
after it installs a big ragged picture window in the wall.


Ode


At 12:22 PM 6/26/2007 +0100, you wrote:


So oxygen is not the thing that causes free radicals, as I always thought?
Dee

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Re: CS> salt

[Clayton Family]

I was wondering if the Himalayan salt has alot of magnesium in it. I am 
not tolerating it very well. I do ok with sea salt, though, so I guess 
I may stick to that.


On Jun 27, 2007, at 1:00 AM, Rowena wrote:


There are various formulae about quantities of water based on person's
weight.  They may be accurate.

Plain water can be hard to force down, in my experience, but adding a 
little

natural salt changes that.  It also adds what you need in the way of
minerals.  I use Himalayan, sometimes Celtic salt, but NEVER refined, 
heated
table salt which has been robbed of valuable mineral$ and whose 
crystalline

structure is destroyed.  Much has been said on salt in the past - a web
search on natural salt would be a good investment of time.  Strong 
salt may
force parasitic worms out of the skin, Lyme researchers report; 
Daddybob has
written that he suspects that using a weaker brine over a longer 
period may

be kinder to the person but still effective.



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Re: CS> Dog Herb

[Clayton Family]

It resembles Yerba Santa, but does not have the sticky stuff on the 
leaves, as far as I can tell. I'll bet it is in a book on native 
vegetation, maybe in the healing herbs part.


On Jun 26, 2007, at 12:14 AM, dd611 wrote:


Wayne,
That plant looks so familiar - I looked through my audubon feild 
guides but can't find what it is.

Does the plant flower?
Dennis

CWFugitt wrote:
That must be telling us a lot.  We can learn a lot from dogs. My dog 
eats one kind of weed leaves.  She will strip the plant of leaves, 
and has selected this same weed year after year. I have a picture of 
the weed on my website.  Sent the picture to Texas A and M and they 
could not identify it.


http://www.fugitt.com/files/dog_herb.JPG

These will grow 8 to 10 feet tall.  This one got under one of my drip 
lines.



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Re: CS>The Poor Colon and Pro-Biotics

[Clayton Family]

Ruth,

is citrucel like metamucil? I thought that was the same as flax seeds 
ground up. They are pretty cheap, and can be ground in the kitchen 
blender using a jelly jar instead of the big blender pitcher. But if 
things burn going down, what does he say about that? Well, best wishes. 
 -Kathryn



On Jun 26, 2007, at 2:52 PM, ruth strackbein wrote:

Hi , Sasha, I have used probiotics in the recent past.  Lately have 
been involved with this routine the surgeon gave me to see if we can 
get my bowel to work properly without the surgery.  I have very little 
confidence in his scheme, but if surgery becomes necessary he will 
probably be the one to do it.  Have gone to a clinic that deals only 
with gastroenterology.  Saw a gastroenterologist there,  After 
examining all my volume of records, he said emphatically that surgery 
is necessary. He referred me to this surgeon who does not think it is 
necessary.  He is willing to work with me to develop a technique to 
accomplish this.  Trouble is he wants me to use fiber medicine like 
Citrucel.  I had used that years ago without success, but tried it 
out.  It burns going down, not good. Is full of sugar and flavorings 
which I have avoided like the plague for 3 years. I guess I am not 
convinced either way about the surgery.  I know I have to get back on 
a better track somehow.  Ruth





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Re: CS> Colon and Coconut Oil

[Barbara]

Rowena, just to add a link to your message, here is a free book on line by Mary 
Enig PhD on fats which she studied for over 30 years.  Everything anyone wanted 
to know about fats.  This link is taken from that group. 

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/skinny.html  

Barbara




  For a web search VCNO, Bruce Fife, Mary Enig, would be good search strings 
for a start.  Or, if you like, I could send you some of my saved documents 
which are configured in such a way as to use the least amount of paper if 
printed.

  There are just so many good things to say about VCNO - and apparently, even 
solidified copra-derived coconut oil, with all its faults, would have been 
safer for the world than the multitudinous vegetable oils which pushed it off 
its perch.

  For anyone who wants a VCNO forum: 
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coconut_oil_open_forum

  Rowena 

RE: CS>Water, RO is not Distilled

[Jason]

I have recently bought an RO system and the RO water comes down from 300 at
the input to 68ppm.  I then run it through a DI resin that then brings it
down to  near zero PPM on a TDS meter.

I believe that this is OK for CS.

Best,
J.

> -Original Message-
> From: Rowena [mailto:new...@aapt.net.au]
> Sent: 27 June 2007 06:40
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Water, RO is not Distilled
>
>
> When I bought my CS generator the old man I got it off, Peter Brooks in
> South Perth, Australia, gave us a demo on various aspects of CS
> making and
> also tested a variety of water I brought in; one from the local
> (very good)
> country water supply, one from my RO unit, and also a sample of distilled
> water.  He tested it with a TDS meter (total dissolved solids).  I came
> across the results the other day, but can't just remember where I
> put them.
> Anyway, the results were that the RO water was not ideal by a long shot.
>
> (I found it: PPMDS - parts per million dissolved solids, I
> suppose - Reverse
> Osmosis 122, Collie Harris River Dam water: 234)
>
> If you had nothing else at all in an emergency, and used RO water
> anyway, it
> would probably get you through the night, but don't buy an RO unit
> specifically for your CS making.  Get the RO for your drinking
> water.  Some
> complain that it takes out all the minerals, but hey, you can put
> those back
> in, but you don't want the fluoride and other chemicals and germs and
> possibly other nasties in your water, do you?
>
> I currently use a Purani RO system and run the "waste" water into
> the garden
> into a clay dish, from where it spills over into the garden soil.
>
> One thing I have found over the past - oo, must be fifteen or more years
> now - is that using RO water is extremely kind on kettles.  They stay new
> looking for years.  And years.
>
> Rowena
>
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CS>Free Radicals, Good or Bad ?

[CWFugitt]

Morning Dee,
>> At 03:03 AM 6/27/2007, you wrote:

I always understood that when oxygen was 'burnt' it produced 'free 
radicals' (i.e. Waste product) which lodged in muscles,


   This is a complex subject with a lot of double talk existing.
The body has been making them since Day 1.
Seems Duncan had some interesting comments on this recently.

Considering they exist in the body, I can't believe they are all bad.

 which was the theory why a lot of athletes have heart attacks etc., and 
also why you should take anti oxidant drinks after exercising.


   That may well be true, but I think the only time to worry would be over 
exercise and primarily in unhealthy people.


I have exercised relatively hard over lots of years.  Had never even heard 
the term many years back, and of course was not concerned.


As for drinks after exercising,  logical or course.  Water, fruit juice or 
whatever.


One coach said long ago, you could not damage a healthy heart by extreme 
exercise.  He had pushed football players, pushing the ground slide, until 
they passed out.  No heart damage.


Many wise and knowledgeable coaches have had lots of good ideas over the years.

Some free radicals kill bacteria and even virus.  A healthy body does not 
have the habit of making bad things.


For thousands of years, man has pushed the body to the limit, even abusing 
it at times.  No problems from free radicals. I doubt that he knew how to 
spell free radicals.


Yes, I agree they may be a problem today, but more so for an unhealthy body 
with compromised body chemistry than for a healthy one.


Here is an interesting link.
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2002/guarente.html

Wayne



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Re: CS>Re: homozon

[Dee]

I always understood that when oxygen was 'burnt' it produced 'free radicals'
(i.e. Waste product) which lodged in muscles, which was the theory why a lot
of athletes have heart attacks etc., and also why you should take anti
oxidant drinks after exercising.  Dee  

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No - please do not put words in my mouth. 

 

Oxidant != 'free radical' 

 

And that term 'free radical' is mostly a made up term. 

 


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Re: CS> Colon and Coconut Oil

[Rowena]

He has told me that it isn't severe enough to require
antacids regularly, just as needed.  Prilosec or anyof the other antacids
don't work.  I don't have a gall bladder any more.


Ruth, I am sure there was never a patient with as many well wishers as you 
have.

I can't remember whether  virgin coconut oil has been mentioned at all.
I am not sure whether the absence of a gall bladder would make a difference.

For a web search VCNO, Bruce Fife, Mary Enig, would be good search strings 
for a start.  Or, if you like, I could send you some of my saved documents 
which are configured in such a way as to use the least amount of paper if 
printed.

There are just so many good things to say about VCNO - and apparently, even 
solidified copra-derived coconut oil, with all its faults, would have been 
safer for the world than the multitudinous vegetable oils which pushed it 
off its perch.

For anyone who wants a VCNO forum: 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coconut_oil_open_forum

Rowena 


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