CSBlood Letting, Iron overload, ( all very ancient )
Morning Sol. At 11:42 PM 12/19/2008, you wrote: Not every one is allowd to donate at all. And you can get turned away for having an elevated BP or temp on the day. Yes, that happens often. One can do the blood letting at home. Only a needle, tube and a jar is needed. I have done it a few times, until I realized it all seemed like a wasted cause. Bloodletting is ancient, it even killed our first president, George Washington. It took 3 genius doctors to do it, . if I recall correctly. I am sure no one understood what was happening, several hundred years ago, any better than it is understood now. Some thing is missing, something no one is telling us, not sure what. So it is a good idea IMHO, to institute measures that slow down iron loading between donations. Iron overload is about as confusing as blood letting. There are thousands of terms associated with Iron Overload. Few are clear and adequately defined. Some of the terms make little sense to me. Hereditary Iron for one. Since the early history of medicine, and the early doctors, it has always been a case of The Blind Leading the Blind, much the same way today. One of the best examples is, What happened when the first doctor said, We have to wash our hands between patients. Almost forgot, another proven method of blood letting it to, Get into a fight with the right guy. The problem is accurate measurement. Yes, I have done it that way too. ( blood in the street ) I personally AM donating, and plan to continue. But I also take other measures. Including stopping oral vit C. It is a good think you do not make it, like the lowly house fly, and most other critters on the earth. If you could make it, in the same proportion relative to body weight, most people would make, 2.8 grams per day. No need to say much about Vitamin C. Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRemoving biofilm
I was looking up biofilm and saw the following site: http://www.lenntech.com/biofilm_removal.htm They discuss removing biofilm from water systems using chlorine dioxide (MMS) or ozone. I thought that was interesting, as it could also apply to the mouth. Regards, Nenah
RE: CSRemoving biofilm
They discuss removing biofilm from water systems using chlorine dioxide (MMS) or ozone. I thought that was interesting, as it could also apply to the mouth. Nenah- Keep in mind that I can't prove a word of this... Long story short: I started MMS in September '07 for a mild right upper toothache. In very short order, MMS was burning out a biofilm that stretched from the the top my my right sinuses and all through my right sinuses, down my right Eustachian tube and into the top right quadrant of my heart. I had no idea that it was there. Alas, my infection eventually became resistant to MMS and began to come back despite my increasing doses of MMS. Eventually I could not handle the nausea and I do think that overuse of MMS will deplete vitamin c and other nutrients and cause oxidative damage. I ended up with severe angina from it. I have since successfully used other protocols, most notably including lemon juice, iodine and DMSO to kill off this infection and to reclaim my circulatory system. My MMS experience is similar to my silver experience and to my experences with various electro-devices: initial success then failure. I'm not knocking any of them, they all bought me time while I continued living and learning. What I have discovered for myself is that all that is said by the followers of Bechamp appears to be true for me, that I could not get well until I treated the terrain correctly. For me that meant ions, vitamin C, iodine, magnesium, salt, various trace elements and minerals and of course good food. Also had to quit coffee. There's more but Christmas is closing in fast. Daddybob
Re: CSBlood Letting, Iron overload, ( all very ancient )
Can I ask two questions on this? Do you stop the vit C before donating? Any health benefits from selling plasma? thankd debbie --- On Sat, 12/20/08, Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com wrote: From: Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com Subject: CSBlood Letting, Iron overload, ( all very ancient ) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 4:16 AM Morning Sol. At 11:42 PM 12/19/2008, you wrote: Not every one is allowd to donate at all. And you can get turned away for having an elevated BP or temp on the day. Yes, that happens often. One can do the blood letting at home. Only a needle, tube and a jar is needed. I have done it a few times, until I realized it all seemed like a wasted cause. Bloodletting is ancient, it even killed our first president, George Washington. It took 3 genius doctors to do it, . if I recall correctly. I am sure no one understood what was happening, several hundred years ago, any better than it is understood now. Some thing is missing, something no one is telling us, not sure what. So it is a good idea IMHO, to institute measures that slow down iron loading between donations. Iron overload is about as confusing as blood letting. There are thousands of terms associated with Iron Overload. Few are clear and adequately defined. Some of the terms make little sense to me. Hereditary Iron for one. Since the early history of medicine, and the early doctors, it has always been a case of The Blind Leading the Blind, much the same way today. One of the best examples is, What happened when the first doctor said, We have to wash our hands between patients. Almost forgot, another proven method of blood letting it to, Get into a fight with the right guy. The problem is accurate measurement. Yes, I have done it that way too. ( blood in the street ) I personally AM donating, and plan to continue. But I also take other measures. Including stopping oral vit C. It is a good think you do not make it, like the lowly house fly, and most other critters on the earth. If you could make it, in the same proportion relative to body weight, most people would make, 2.8 grams per day. No need to say much about Vitamin C. Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE
Hello: Yes, MMS did help my friend eliminate Morgellons disease. She took one drop the first night and was having blowouts in the bathroom within 40 minutes. The creepy crawly feeling left overnight. The most dramatic developments were within the first few days. In two days her arthritic pain was gone. Her energy level was up within a week. Within two weeks the lesions had totally healed and with a month or two she was totally free of it, as well as a cancerous vaginal tumor the size of a walnut. (her cancer was the second time round and the doctors told her there was nothing they could do.) She discovered the alfalfa as well somewhere through that process but the healing was initiated by the MMS. MMS just doesn't like parasites period. There is a video available at www.miraclemineral.org that is worth getting. Ian Roe -- From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:40 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE Question: I thought that color safe bleach was peroxide. Also that peroxide is not similar to chlorine dioxide, I thought it worked in a different way. My chemistry is rusty, though. The editor here is confusing me, which is not hard to do at times. It might be interesting to see if the chlorine dioxide works for morgellons also, but it is not a peroxide bath, it would be more like a bleach bath. This post is similar to the one I read before- I thought it was posted here, but apparently I don't have my archives going back that far. -k. On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:43 PM, Heidrun Beer wrote: Editor's note: The primary ingredient in this discovery was the laundry detergent with color-safe bleach. The bleach is an oxidizer -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions
I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling. My iron level is always in order. I haven't donated blood for almost, a year. Time to donate again.. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Day Sutton wrote: easy to get rid of; just donate blood. help yourself and others too.(whole blood, not plasma) Not every one is allowd to donate at all. And you can get turned away for having an elevated BP or temp on the day. So it is a good idea IMHO, to institute measures that slow down iron loading between donations. I personally AM donating, and plan to continue. But I also take other measures. Including stopping oral vit C. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions
BTW they say that the massave doses of VitC that Dr. Pauling took all his life finally killed him at the age of 94. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com wrote: I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling. My iron level is always in order. I haven't donated blood for almost, a year. Time to donate again.. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Day Sutton wrote: easy to get rid of; just donate blood. help yourself and others too.(whole blood, not plasma) Not every one is allowd to donate at all. And you can get turned away for having an elevated BP or temp on the day. So it is a good idea IMHO, to institute measures that slow down iron loading between donations. I personally AM donating, and plan to continue. But I also take other measures. Including stopping oral vit C. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690
I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help. I just had eye surgery and I think there is an infection. I cannot take antibiotics. Will the colloidal silver help. Can I put it in my eye. Thanks Mary Ellen _ From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 AM To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690
Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690
Yes, and yes. I'm sure otheres on the list will agree. wait for more replies On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net wrote: I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help. I just had eye surgery and I think there is an infection. I cannot take antibiotics. Will the colloidal silver help. Can I put it in my eye. Thanks Mary Ellen -- *From:* silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] *Sent:* Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 AM *To:* silver-dig...@eskimo.com *Subject:* silver-digest Digest V2008 #690 -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
CSsilver-digest Digest V2008 #690
Mary Ellen -- you're on the forum. Yes -- you can put CS in your eye. Many people use it for minor irritations up to and including pink eye. I presume you are referring to home-made EIS in the range of 10 ppm. It may sting when you put it in. Other people will reply with more information. I wish you well. MA -- Original message from "Mary Ellen Murphy" maryelle...@bellsouth.net: -- I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help. I just had eye surgery and I think there is an infection. I cannot take antibiotics. Will the colloidal silver help. Can I put it in my eye. Thanks Mary Ellen From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 AMTo: silver-dig...@eskimo.comSubject: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690
RE: CS(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE
Does Morgellans itch? Jess -Original Message- From: ian_onta...@hotmail.com [mailto:ian_onta...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:35 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE Hello: Yes, MMS did help my friend eliminate Morgellons disease. She took one drop the first night and was having blowouts in the bathroom within 40 minutes. The creepy crawly feeling left overnight. The most dramatic developments were within the first few days. In two days her arthritic pain was gone. Her energy level was up within a week. Within two weeks the lesions had totally healed and with a month or two she was totally free of it, as well as a cancerous vaginal tumor the size of a walnut. (her cancer was the second time round and the doctors told her there was nothing they could do.) She discovered the alfalfa as well somewhere through that process but the healing was initiated by the MMS. MMS just doesn't like parasites period. There is a video available at www.miraclemineral.org that is worth getting. Ian Roe -- From: Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 10:40 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS(fwd) [DrClark] AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE Question: I thought that color safe bleach was peroxide. Also that peroxide is not similar to chlorine dioxide, I thought it worked in a different way. My chemistry is rusty, though. The editor here is confusing me, which is not hard to do at times. It might be interesting to see if the chlorine dioxide works for morgellons also, but it is not a peroxide bath, it would be more like a bleach bath. This post is similar to the one I read before- I thought it was posted here, but apparently I don't have my archives going back that far. -k. On Dec 11, 2008, at 11:43 PM, Heidrun Beer wrote: Editor's note: The primary ingredient in this discovery was the laundry detergent with color-safe bleach. The bleach is an oxidizer -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS Vit. D and Colon cancer
It is important that ONLY Vitamin D3 is used as D2 is not pure natural D. I have found many supplement compounds use D2, so read the labels. Harold. Vitamin D can affect a colon cancer cell by adjusting everything from its gene expression to its cytoskeleton. Recent research shows that one pathway governs the vitamin's diverse effects, a result which helps to clarify the actions of a molecule that is undergoing clinical trials as a cancer therapy. Vitamin D stymies colon cancer cells in two ways -- it switches on certain genes, and it induces effects on the cytoskeleton. The net result is to curb cell division and cause colon cancer cells to differentiate into epithelial cells that settle down instead of spreading. The recent study is the first to show that vitamin D's genomic and nongenomic effects use one simultaneous pathway and integrate to regulate cell physiology. Sources: a.. Science Daily November 26, 2008 a.. Journal of Cell Biology November 17, 2008; 183(4):697-710 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions
If I took 10 grams of Vit C I'd be dead of dehydration from diarrhea. My max tolerance for oral C varied between 250 and 500 mg. Never developed beyond that without extreme GI effects, and I tried for years. Are you saying you had iron overload? To what level? How long did it take to get it down? What is your diet? sol Day Sutton wrote: I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling. My iron level is always in order. I haven't donated blood for almost, a year. Time to donate again.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions
At 94 something is gonna get ya.But he'd been ill for a few years by then, if I recall correctly. sol Day Sutton wrote: BTW they say that the massave doses of VitC that Dr. Pauling took all his life finally killed him at the age of 94. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions
I have problems taking vitamin C pills, but I can take 4,000 mg vitamin C if it's Buffered Vitamin C powder. I can also use Sodium Ascorbate powder without problem and that's better than an antihistamine pill for nasal allergy problems. Pat From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 12:25:02 PM Subject: Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions If I took 10 grams of Vit C I'd be dead of dehydration from diarrhea. My max tolerance for oral C varied between 250 and 500 mg. Never developed beyond that without extreme GI effects, and I tried for years.
RE: CSMeasuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter
Dear Steve: I am wondering what the purpose of your questions are? If you are looking for a way to measure the colloidal silver you are making, then I have a suggestion. Very likely you would be making ionic silver with a very small percentage of particles. In that case the $60 Hanna PWT, pure water tester, works extremely well for testing ionic silver. In the case of my nano silver generator the calibration of the PWT in uS is exactly the same as PPM, 15 uS is 15 PPM. I think it is a fortuitous accident that the readings agree. So far as I know there is no easy way to test particles. Very few people are able to make particles so there is no need to test that for the average home made colloidal silver. Frank Key tested my silver with his fancy $300,000 machine. You had asked about calibration. I watched the testing and asked a few questions. It seems that you feed (1) pure distilled water, then (2) a certified calibration solution and then (3) the silver solution to be tested. The system automatically does this sequence three times and averages the results. It looked like a plasma source burned the solution and then the spectrometer measured the peak amplitude vs. frequency. See the test reports done by Frank Key on my generator http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator . Jim Meissner -Original Message- From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSMeasuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter Thanks Marshall, The pictures and plots are very informative. I believe you are right about trying to measure ppm without digesting the silver won't work. Your explanation has helped tremendously in understanding the theory and operation of colorimeters and spectrophotometers. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter Norton, Steve wrote: Re.: picking the right frequency, I'm glad you brought that up. If one was to consider calibrating a spectrophotometer to use for measuring ppm as well as particle size distribution, there is the problem that light absorption by a sample of CS at a specific wavelength could vary from lot to lot based on the particle size distribution of the sample. Should one make the ppm measurement at the point of maximum absorption, at some intermediate average point or would one need to make measurements over the distribution and average the results. I assume that the colorimeter avoids this problem because by digesting the silver, you convert all the silver to the same particle size. Do you know what wavelength your colorimeter uses when making the measurement for silver? Thanks, Steve N If you run it on plain old EIS, then you can get a curve which will give you some idea of the particle sizes. For ppm measurement, you first digest the silver. Thus you have no particles at all, it is 100% silver salts. I use nitric acid, and thus it is silver nitrate. Then chemicals are added that give it a very strong color, if I remember right it turns violet. The wavelength that is then used is for the violet color that the chemical changes the silver to. I doubt you could come up with a good way to get ppm from a curve of the undigested and treated EIS, absorption changes so much depending on size and shape of the particles. To see some typical curves of different ppm and particle size of EIS see the following: http://silver-lightning.com/hach/oral.GIF http://silver-lightning.com/hach/oral2.GIF http://silver-lightning.com/hach/oral3.GIF http://silver-lightning.com/hach/topical.GIF These are in ever increasing particle size. The leftmost peak is the absorption of the silver ion, that is ionic silver. All other peaks correspond to particles, with larger being more to the right generally. HIf you look at http://silver-lightning.com/hach/agno3.GIF that is the absorption of silver nitrate. The reason that this one appears so much wider than the others is that I expanded the X axis to show more detail since there was no absorption at the longer wavelengths (that is all the absorption was in the uv range. You can see the changes in the color of CS as particle size increases here: http://silver-lightning.com/cs-color.jpg and the actual absorption curves vs particl size here http://silver-lightning.com/cs-curves.jpg Marshall -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:29 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMeasuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter Norton, Steve wrote: Thanks Marshall, That helps. The info online relative to colorimeters does mention digesting substances but I was unclear on how that might apply to silver
Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690
Hello Mary I am new to this site and I too am clueless as to how to access it. If you find out, would you be so kind as to let me know. thank you. arlene in california From: Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:04:15 AM Subject: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690 I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help. I just had eye surgery and I think there is an infection. I cannot take antibiotics. Will the colloidal silver help. Can I put it in my eye. Thanks Mary Ellen From:silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com ] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 AM To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690
Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions
I somehow think that it wouldn't have been the Vit C that was responsible! dee ---Original Message--- From: Day Sutton Date: 20/12/2008 14:43:32 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions BTW they say that the massave doses of VitC that Dr. Pauling took all his life finally killed him at the age of 94. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com wrote: I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling. My iron level is always in order. I haven't donated blood for almost, a year. Time to donate again..
Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions
LOL!!! right, like we live forever. Maybe he died of old age, like in the olden days. On Dec 20, 2008, at 8:43 AM, Day Sutton wrote: BTW they say that the massave doses of VitC that Dr. Pauling took all his life finally killed him at the age of 94. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com wrote: I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling. My iron level is always in order. I haven't donated blood for almost, a year. Time to donate again.. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: Day Sutton wrote: easy to get rid of; just donate blood. help yourself and others too.(whole blood, not plasma) So it is a good idea IMHO, to institute measures that slow down iron loading between donations. I personally AM donating, and plan to continue. But I also take other measures. Including stopping oral vit C. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions
Iron level was not bad, but my chelation Dr. said to donate some whole blood, to bring it down. I didn't start with 10 grams. started with 500mg caps and graduated to Ascorbic Acid powder later on. gradually went up to 10 without bathroom interruptions.. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:25 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: If I took 10 grams of Vit C I'd be dead of dehydration from diarrhea. My max tolerance for oral C varied between 250 and 500 mg. Never developed beyond that without extreme GI effects, and I tried for years. Are you saying you had iron overload? To what level? How long did it take to get it down? What is your diet? sol Day Sutton wrote: I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling. My iron level is always in order. I haven't donated blood for almost, a year. Time to donate again.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Re: CSMeasuring CS with a spectrophotometer or colorimeter
I tried posting this once but if it posted it did not echo back to me. Jim, Actually I got interested in this after two posters here expressed an interest in lab testing of their CS. At least one using HVAC. Curious of what lab testing costs, I looked around for labs. Frank Keys appears the best, Sovereign Silver's lab appears questionable and costs may be lower at a university lab but I wondered if they would do a good test. So I started looking to see if one could do it cheaply at home including particle size distribution. It appears that you can with only an old spectrophotometer. Having learned more about measuring CS from Marshall and others, I think one could measure ppm accurately with a homemade colorimeter using an LED and a photodetector and making your own cibration solutions. I do make EIS but I also make silver citrate (SC) at a relatively high ppm. The SC uses a fairly high current due to the low resistance of the citric acid solution and there is no ionic silver since any silver ions bond to citrate. Currently I uss the Herx Farady Calculator for estimating the ppm of the SC. Much of what I am doing is more educational than necessary although I thought that if I found inexpensive ways to measure ppm accurately and possibly particle size distribution some few others might be interested in the results. Nothing I am doing is new but it is low cost that I am looking for. Certainly I won't duplicate Frank Keys capability but it should be quite sufficient in my opinion. Thanks, Steve N Posted by Jim Meissner: Dear Steve: I am wondering what the purpose of your questions are? If you are looking for a way to measure the colloidal silver you are making, then I have a suggestion. Very likely you would be making ionic silver with a very small percentage of particles. In that case the $60 Hanna PWT, pure water tester, works extremely well for testing ionic silver. In the case of my nano silver generator the calibration of the PWT in uS is exactly the same as PPM, 15 uS is 15 PPM. I think it is a fortuitous accident that the readings agree. So far as I know there is no easy way to test particles. Very few people are able to make particles so there is no need to test that for the average home made colloidal silver. Frank Key tested my silver with his fancy $300,000 machine. You had asked about calibration. I watched the testing and asked a few questions. It seems that you feed (1) pure distilled water, then (2) a certified calibration solution and then (3) the silver solution to be tested. The system automatically does this sequence three times and averages the results. It looked like a plasma source burned the solution and then the spectrometer measured the peak amplitude vs. frequency. See the test reports done by Frank Key on my generator http://meissnerresearch.com/products/silver-generator . Jim Meissner
Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions
My theory is not enough sex, and I'm sticking to it. Chuck Puns are bad, but poetry is verse. On 12/20/2008 9:43:23 AM, Day Sutton (day.sut...@gmail.com) wrote: BTW they say that the massave doses of VitC that Dr. Pauling took all his life finally killed him at the age of 94. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com [link: mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com] wrote: I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling. My iron level is always in order. I haven't donated blood for almost, a year. Time to donate again.. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:42 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com [link: mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] wrote: Day Sutton wrote No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1859 - Release Date: 12/20/2008 2:34 PM
Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690
I do that daily. Chuck Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots. On 12/20/2008 10:32:36 AM, Day Sutton (day.sut...@gmail.com) wrote: Yes, and yes. I'm sure otheres on the list will agree. wait for more replies On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net [link: mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] wrote: I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help. I just had eye surgery and I think there is an infection. I cannot take antibiotics. Will the colloidal silver help. Can I put it in my eye. Thanks Mary Ellen No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1859 - Release Date: 12/20/2008 2:34 PM
Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions
At 11:59 AM 12/20/2008, you wrote: I somehow think that it wouldn't have been the Vit C that was responsible! dee If that be true, Why does it not happen to everyone ? Wayne = ---Original Message--- From: Day Sutton Date: 20/12/2008 14:43:32 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions BTW they say that the massave doses of VitC that Dr. Pauling took all his life finally killed him at the age of 94. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com wrote: I take 10 grams daily of oral VitC as did Linus Pauling. My iron level is always in order. I haven't donated blood for almost, a year. Time to donate again.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Please unsubscribe me. Too many e-mails. thank you arlene in calif
RE: CSTOOTH EMERGENCY
The oil of orageno worked for me too but I cut it with olive oil..lots less heat and it worked. Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:32:34 -0500From: day.sut...@gmail.comto: silver-l...@eskimo.comsubject: Re: CSTOOTH EMERGENCYThis is HOT!, but It works overnight. Soak a small piece of cotton with Oil of Orageno, place it on the offending tooth (between tooth and gum) and leave it overnight. Let me know what you find On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: Go here for a YouTube video =http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIV2JV7hmpoSmitty~~ On 12/19/08, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: gwms62, I can tell you without a doubt the best treatment for a tooth ache is the baby Godzilla. It is a simple electrical device that creates a small (3 - 6 volt) current that you shoot through the tooth. The current will kill any bacteria inside the tooth or root, and get rid of the pain permanently. In fact, it will stop a cavity from getting worse and stop the need for a root canal too. I'm not kidding. Go to the Yahoo groups microelectricitygermkiller and join it. You want to talk with either V or bG. V actually makes and sells a very nice unit for $35.00 with alternating current, and they have photos and a YouTube video showing how to make one with simple batteries, sponge, wire, and rubber bands. THIS DEVICE IS WORTH A THOUSAND TIMES WHAT IT COSTS! - Original Message - From: gwms...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: CSTOOTH EMERGENCY Happy Holiday to All. I'm in the middle of Christmas plans and I have a crashing tooth ache and sore throat. I have been gargling and drinking CS. I have DMSO but not quite sure if I should use it along with CS on my tooth H-E-L-P. --The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orgTo post, address your message to: silver-l...@eskimo.comaddress Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comthe Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com-- Day suttonday.sut...@gmail.com
Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690
Do you really Chuck can I ask why? I use MSM drops that Harold taught me to make to prevent cataracts. I would use cs for eye infections for sure ...do you use them as a preventive measure? thanks much ..debbie --- On Sat, 12/20/08, cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: From: cking...@nycap.rr.com cking...@nycap.rr.com Subject: Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 3:28 PM I do that daily. Chuck Psychoceramics: The study of crackpots. On 12/20/2008 10:32:36 AM, Day Sutton (day.sut...@gmail.com) wrote: Yes, and yes. I'm sure otheres on the list will agree. wait for more replies On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.net [link: mailto:maryelle...@bellsouth.net] wrote: I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help. I just had eye surgery and I think there is an infection. I cannot take antibiotics. Will the colloidal silver help. Can I put it in my eye. Thanks Mary Ellen No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1859 - Release Date: 12/20/2008 2:34 PM
CSUpdate: success interrupted
I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA. Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath. This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS. Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream? I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this happened. Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment? According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come back stronger. Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed by such a sudden relapse? Thanks, indi -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted
On relapses at the beginning of tratment, I suspect herxheimer reaction do to the body being overwhelmed dealing with die-off of pathogens. ( gets worse before it gets better) OR, if you want to try another direction, I suggest trying a round of MMS, a potent pathogen killer. http://mmsmiracle.com/ Best to get/read Humble's book. This is powerful stuff. Chuck Printers always die on page 999 of a 1000 page report!!! On 12/20/2008 6:59:19 PM, Indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote: I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA. Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath. This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS. Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream? I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this happened. Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment? According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come back stronger. Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed by such a sudden relapse? Thanks, indi No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1859 - Release Date: 12/20/2008 2:34 PM
Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690
Arlene -- you are accessing the site -- are you able to read this message? You are on the forum. There is no website per se -- there is a chat list and you are here! :-) MA -- Original message from Arlene Hansen ahans...@yahoo.com: -- Hello MaryI am new to this site and I too am clueless as to how to access it. If you find out, would you be so kind as to let me know.thank you.arleneincalifornia From: Mary Ellen Murphy maryelle...@bellsouth.netTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:04:15 AMSubject: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690 I cannot remember how to get to the forum but I need some help. I just had eye surgery and I think there is an infection. I cannot take antibiotics. Will the colloidal silver help. Can I put it in my eye. Thanks Mary Ellen From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com ] Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 AMTo: silver-dig...@eskimo.comSubject: silver-digest Digest V2008 #690
CSPauling and Vit. C
Pauling died of prostate cancer. It came out before his death that he was taking 43 grams of C daily. His research had demonstrated that the highest dose of Vit. C that still demonstrated some benefit was 42 grams per day. So when it was made public that he was taking 43 grams, everyone speculated that he had cancer. Turned out correct. I can't recall all the sources for that info, but I recall feeling sad about the 43 grams because I felt sure he had cancer when I heard that. He was admirable for his ethical stands even more than for his accomplishments in biochemistry and other fields. imhopj
Re: CSUpdate: success interrupted
Thanks for your reply, and for the link. I am hoping it's a herxheimer, but I just don't know. Straight CS applied topically and internally got this under control for me in the past, so I'm going back to that for now. I just downloaded part one of that book on mms, maybe I will try it after I learn a bit more. Cheers, indi On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 07:21:34PM -0500, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: On relapses at the beginning of tratment, I suspect herxheimer reaction do to the body being overwhelmed dealing with die-off of pathogens. ( gets worse before it gets better) OR, if you want to try another direction, I suggest trying a round of MMS, a potent pathogen killer. http://mmsmiracle.com/ Best to get/read Humble's book. This is powerful stuff. Chuck Printers always die on page 999 of a 1000 page report!!! On 12/20/2008 6:59:19 PM, Indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote: I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA. Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath. This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS. Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream? I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this happened. Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment? According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come back stronger. Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed by such a sudden relapse? Thanks, indi Content-Description: AVG certification No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1859 - Release Date: 12/20/2008 2:34 PM -- WARNING: This message may contain sarcasm, dark humor, disagreement, and honesty. In case of headache, elevated blood pressure, violent thoughts and/or rage, please discontinue use. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Vit C warnings, was Re: CSVitamin D Questions
Day Sutton wrote: Iron level was not bad, but my chelation Dr. said to donate some whole blood, to bring it down. I didn't start with 10 grams. started with 500mg caps and graduated to Ascorbic Acid powder later on. gradually went up to 10 without bathroom interruptions.. Exactly, and starting low and trying to build up is what I tried and tried for years, but I could never get beyond 500 mg reliably without the big D. Sometimes I could get away with 1000 mg in one dose, but never could determine why ok one day and disaster the next. I DO have a sensitive gut, IBS-D for 30 years. Improving. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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That would be a typical allergic hives attack for me. Try dropping the glycerin out of your mix and see if that helps. http://www.pioneerthinking.com/glycerin.html You could be having an allergic reaction to the glycerin? I ahve a hard time thinking the hives are a direct response to the CS and DMSO, as I use those to STOP hives and eczema attacks. And yes, if you had chemicals on your skin, from any source, soaps, detergents, lotions, the DMSO could have carried those into the skin. sol Indi wrote: I seem to have had a serious setback in treating my MRSA. Until last Wednesday, it seemed I was sure to beat it using the Brooks Bradley protocol of 75% CS, 10% DMSO, and 15% glycerine, topically and as a nasal spray. But on Wednesday aternoon, I noticed a small, itchy patch of red skin on my left forearm. By bedtime, I was covered head to toe in hives, and I still am. Also I am feverish, weak, dizzy, and short of breath. This pretty much feels just as I felt before I discovered the CS. Perhaps the DMSO carried something else into my bloodstream? I applied it at night, put on cotton flannel pajamas, and went to sleep every night (showering it off in the morning) for over a week before this happened. Could the MRSA have become immune somehow to the treatment? According to what I've read it can't do that, but it seems as if it has come back stronger. Has anyone had any similar experience, of getting well for awhile followed by such a sudden relapse? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com