date:20091207

Well, I just ordered my Thorvin Kelp, I got the 8 
lb bag. At 20.00 and odd change. With that much 
bulk, we plan on adding it to smoothies for the 
entire family every day. Cheap nutritional 
insurance for everybody. I'll order a bigger bag 
closer to Springtime I reckon when we figure out 
how big the garden is gonna be, and how much we'll 
need to use.


I do have one question. LOL, who was it that mixed 
the kelp with Lecithin to swallow it? And what 
kind; was it powder or oil, or whatever? I've read 
so may emails since I read that one that I don't 
remember anything except the tablespoon of Kelp 
with a tablespoon of Lecithin? Or I think I 
remember reading that in an email on this list:) 
I've been reading so much in so many different 
places I might have read it elsewhere:/


I'm saving to buy a bigger CS generator too. I 
want a Silver Puppy:) But that might be a couple 
of months off. We'll see.


Has anyone tried mixing CS with their foliar 
sprays for plants in their garden? What were the 
results?


Annie


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CSsilver citrate

2009-12-07 Thread Richard Goodwin

I have seen silver citrate mentioned a couple of times, and recently my DO told 
me that he uses a commercial silver citrate at 240 PPM to spray in his mouth 
and nose to kill viruses.

What's the deal with silver citrate -- if you drink it, would it turn you blue? 
 Is it less/same/more effective than the usual EIS?  Is it toxic in other ways?

Dick

CSConcentrated silver?

2009-12-07 Thread Scott Adams

My wife asked me the following and I would like to hear what others say...
 
Can you make the silver concentrated, so I can take it traveling , put drops
in a cup of water and drink it diluted that way?  


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Re: CSSupplement Dosing help needed--OT


Steve wrote:


I don't know anything about laetrile one way or another, but I do know 
that people who eat too many seeds too fast from the rose family, 
which include apples, apricots, peaches and so on.At least you 
don't have to worry about it building up over the years.


I had to do a little bit of research once you brought this point up 
and according to 'straightdope.com'  these pits do not have cyanide.  
Instead they have cyanogenetic glycosides, whatever that is, which 
releases hydrogen cyanide when ingested through enzymatic action.




That is correct.  I think that the enzyme that causes the release is one 
produced by dividing cells.  Very small amounts are present in a normal 
person, but larger amounts are present in babies, children, and pregnant 
women.  (It is this enzyme I believe that is tested for in the over the 
counter pregnancy tests, which can give a false positive if the person 
has certain cancers). Very large amounts are present in cancers, thus 
the cancer killing ability of B17.


Marshall


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Re: CSdo you have this?

Your logic is flawed.  It is like saying that because mud has dirt in 
it, it has no water.  Typical silver generators generate both ionic and 
colloidal silver, normally about 80 to 90 % ionic, and 10 to 20 % 
colloidal.  That you can see the colloidal portion with a laser does not 
mean there is no ionic.  The test for ionic is just as simple and 
reliable, what we call the salt test ( an a meter also ONLY tests the 
ionic portion ).  Using the salt test along with a laser pointer will 
prove that normal EIS contains both ionic and colloidal silver.


BTW the strength of the light showing up with a laser has much much less 
to do with the particle concentration than the particle size. 1/4 the 
particles of twice the size will show up as 4 times as bright.


Marshall

Neville Munn wrote:
[...“colloidal silver” generators sold for home use produce ionic 
silver solutions]
-Not what my analysis report shows, (ignoring particle size, so long 
as they remain below the accepted size determined by some published 
material to be classed as 'colloids', and visual observation can 
determine that...in the kitchen).
 
Get some of a given solution analysed the day after production, then 
get the rest of that solution analysed a fortnight later and see what 
the difference is.
 
Failing laboratory analysis (and I've had several samples of my 'home 
made' concoctions analysed)...visual observation is my best method in 
assessing 'quality' product, and that includes the age old laser 
pointer for determining particulate content using the 'strength' of 
that cone shaped light beam as a guide, and a meter tells me when the 
solution has setted down or 'stabilized' and readings remain fairly 
constant.
 
'Experts...?'...Everyone's an expert g
 
N.
 


From: blacksa...@comcast.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:48:46 -0500
Subject: CSdo you have this?

Hi All,

 

I’ve been asked by a couple people to describe what is EIS / Colloidal 
silver. In my attempt to answer (and do so intelligently) I’m falling 
significantly short because I can’t seem to find the email that I 
remember reading that so eloquently described the difference(s) 
between making it at home vs. what you can buy in the store (and the 
dangers of that) and event he comments on Mercola’s guidelines of 
purchasing silver products ( 
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/02/05/new-guidelines-released-for-safe-usage-of-colloidal-silver-supplements.aspx 
)


 


For instance…commenting on:
“Please be aware that most all “colloidal silver” generators sold for 
home use produce ionic silver solutions, and not true colloidal silver.”


 

Is someone more organized than I in which I can send these people some 
succinct, honest, detailed and truthful information – find the 
email(s) that were posted before?


 


I thank you in advance…

 


Lisa

 

P.S. A lot of the “scientific” discussion regarding ions and stuff 
like that have at times been way over my head – but I’d like to send 
them something. I do have the “Beginner’s” list of how to use it…but 
would appreciate the “why” etc.


 




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Re: CSdo you have this?

2009-12-07 Thread Richard Goodwin



 BTW the strength of the light showing up with a laser has much much less to 
 do with the particle concentration than the particle size. 1/4 the particles 
 of twice the size will show up as 4 times as bright.

What is the best way to make the smallest particles?

Re: CSAspartame

2009-12-07 Thread slickpicker

My agenda is to be as informed as I can be under the circumstances and I do as 
much context analysis and fact checking as I have time to, being a single 
parent who works full time and who is not a professional fact-checker or 
journalist.  

I wonder what the agenda is of a domestic news media that consistently omits 
reporting on issues and events reported on by other news organizations all over 
the world...for example (among many), the climategate emails? 

What's your agenda?


 Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: 

=


   ..and every media requires fact checking and context analysis to know 
what to believe.
If YOU have an agenda, you won't do that.

Ode


At 10:22 AM 12/5/2009 -0700, you wrote:
Ironically, it's harder to follow U.S. issues in the U.S. media than it 
should be.  U.S. mainstream (lol) media are reluctant to report on 
situations unflattering to the current administration.  Information is 
more easily obtained from foreign media and of course the internet in general.


 Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote:

=
This was a post from the BoneSmart forum:


I don't know how much of U.S. issues you
follow, but last January, as soon as Obama took office, he received a
letter from 21 FDA scientists asking him to look into the corruption.
Weeks later the FDA laid them all off, and I don't know if they ever
got their jobs back. It became a big whistle blowers case after.

Betty Martini is was an FDA doctor for 17 years, and now is a 
whistleblower as well.
Here is her contact info.she usually sends very thorough replies to
questions. Her main concern now is getting aspartame off the market,
because it has been proven to cause M.S., ALS, and other deadly
diseases, but she is very knowledgeable on Pfizer drugs as well.

Dr. Betty Martini, D.Hum.
Founder, Mission Possible World Health International
9270 River Club Parkway
Duluth, Georgia 30097
770-242-2599
E-Mail: betty...@mindspring.com
http://www.wpwhi.com
http://www.whno.net
http://www.dorway.com

Aspartame Toxicity Center: 
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Re: CSJust ordered my Kelp

2009-12-07 Thread Pat

Hi.  Could you tell me where you ordered from?  I contacted Thorvin and they 
said I could buy it in a 50 pound bag.  I was sure it was Brooks Bradley who 
told us of mixing the kelp with lecithin, but I can't find the post now.  I was 
wondering if you could mix it with water and drink quicklyI just can't 
stand the thought of a mouthful of all that.

CS seems to help my houseplants, but I put some one one Lantana in a pot 
outside and left one Lantana without, and the Lantana that had CS didn't do as 
well.  Can't really tell by such a tiny experiment, of course.

Pat



- Original Message 
From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com
To: CS List silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 9:40:10 AM
Subject: CSJust ordered my Kelp

Well, I just ordered my Thorvin Kelp, I got the 8 lb bag. At 20.00 and odd 
change. With that much bulk, we plan on adding it to smoothies for the entire 
family every day. Cheap nutritional insurance for everybody. I'll order a 
bigger bag closer to Springtime I reckon when we figure out how big the garden 
is gonna be, and how much we'll need to use.

I do have one question. LOL, who was it that mixed the kelp with Lecithin to 
swallow it? And what kind; was it powder or oil, or whatever? I've read so may 
emails since I read that one that I don't remember anything except the 
tablespoon of Kelp with a tablespoon of Lecithin? Or I think I remember reading 
that in an email on this list:) I've been reading so much in so many different 
places I might have read it elsewhere:/

I'm saving to buy a bigger CS generator too. I want a Silver Puppy:) But that 
might be a couple of months off. We'll see.

Has anyone tried mixing CS with their foliar sprays for plants in their garden? 
What were the results?

Annie


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CSSnake oil

A recent message spoke of snake oil as if it was something to be 
avoided.  As with most things that are denigrated in the medical 
community, it is because they work so well, as opposed to not working at 
all.  Snake oil refers to the oil from the Chinese black snake which has 
been known for thousands of years to be very effective on sore muscles 
and arthritis.  During the day of railroad building, Chinese would work 
on the railroad, and apply this soothing oil to their aching muscles. 
The medicine men who were peddling other salves which did not work as 
well thus begin calling anything that did not work snake oil 
specifically to get their customers to associate the highly effective 
snake oil with things that did not work.  That association still occurs 
150 years later.  (another interesting one is that the original term 
quacks referred to dentists who used quacksilver (mercury) for filling 
teeth.  The ADA somehow managed to turn that around so most people 
believe it refers to those who would NOT use mercury in the teeth 
instead of those who do).


The active ingredient in snake oil is EPA an omega 3 fatty acid.  So if 
you check many approved arthritis protocols and medicines you will find 
that they contain EPA as an active ingredient. So while the medical 
mafia still denigrates snake oil, they are actually using it ( or the 
same agent from another source ) in their products.


Snake oil is wonderful stuff actually:

http://www.bobsgear.com/display/healthnews/The+Astonishing+Healing+Powers+of+Snake+Oil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=snake-oil-salesmen-knew-something

Marshall


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RE: CSsilver citrate -- Concentrated silver?


Dick and Scott,

I hope you don't mind me combining both of your questions into one response 
since there is an overlap in subject matter.

It is generally accepted that you cannot make a stable EIS solution above 30 
ppm. However, there is a method claimed to be able to make EIS as high as 500 
ppm. It will of course be a dark color but it is also claimed that when 
sufficiently diluted, it will return to a light yellow color.( I would assume 
that at that point you could add a little H2O2 to produce a clear solution.) 
See:

http://www.silverceramicsystems.com/CS16-5-3.html
Recent Success at Concentrated CS Production  
Points Up Requirement of Very Pure, Distilled Water

However, I don't know of anyone who has verified this information.

An alternate solution to generating a high ppm silver solution is to generate a 
silver compound such as silver citrate or silver acetate. There are a number of 
silver compounds you can make but I picked these because they are on regular 
use. Silver acetate has been widely used in lozenges, chewing gums, etc. as a 
form of aversion therapy for smoking. Silver citrate is sold by several 
suppliers as a silver supplement or and as a germicide. I have made and used 
silver citrate, at concentrations as high as 600 ppm, but not silver acetate. 

Another silver compound in common use is silver chloride. I really haven't 
researched it and Marshall and Ode are who I would consider the experts on it.

Will silver citrate or silver acetate turn you blue? 
There have been some instances of either compound causing argyria. The number 
of documented cases are small, unlike silver nitrate. My personal belief is 
that silver citrate is safe to take as long as you control your daily intake, 
same as you would EIS. The concentrated silver citrate is also very handy as a 
germicide/fungicide for external use. And as Scott asks, it is very convenient 
to take when traveling.


Is it less/same/more effective than the usual EIS? 
The answer to this question is that I don't know. EIS has proven itself to be 
effective in nearly all instances where silver in any form would work. My 
personal belief is that silver citrate is as effective as EIS or CS. See the 
following study on silver citrate:


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590638/
Synthesis and Antimicrobial Activity of Silver Citrate Complexes

Is it toxic in other ways?
No.

I have much more data but no time to present it. But perhaps what I have given 
will be sufficiently helpful.


- Steve N


_
-Original Message-
From: Scott Adams [mailto:msad...@msadams.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:42 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSConcentrated silver?

My wife asked me the following and I would like to hear what others say...
 
Can you make the silver concentrated, so I can take it traveling , put drops
in a cup of water and drink it diluted that way?  



From: Richard Goodwin [mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:17 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSsilver citrate

I have seen silver citrate mentioned a couple of times, and recently my DO told 
me that he uses a commercial silver citrate at 240 PPM to spray in his mouth 
and nose to kill viruses.

What's the deal with silver citrate -- if you drink it, would it turn you 
blue?  Is it less/same/more effective than the usual EIS?  Is it toxic in other 
ways?

Dick


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[RE]CSJust ordered my Kelp:COMMENT

Dear Annie,
I believe it was, probably, me who posted the information relating to the dosage
volumes (of kelp and lecithin). Actually, the most acceptable (for a majority of our volunteers) method proved to beplacing one rounded teaspoon of lecithin in the mouth and adding enough water (about one tablespoon) and swishing sufficiently to make a slurry; next, adding one rounded teaspoon of granulated kelpfollowed by just enough added water to re-establish the slurry consistency. Next, just wash it all down as you, continuously dilute with additional water. Repeat the procedure a second timefor an adequate amount for the average adult. Although it sounds complicatedit is not.
What this method gains one is that it, essentially, eliminates any problem that would emanate from sensitive persons (pronounced gag reflex) attempting to swallow "dry" granulated kelp. The lecithin does an excellent job emulsifying the entire mixture and
negates the "hygroscopic" (water-loving) character of the granulated kelp.
By far the greatest benefit from this, particular, procedure is.it allows the ingestion of sufficient volume of kelp---at one time---to meet ones overall daily requirements, without considerably more elaborate techniques (e.g. it would require more than 12 standard 50 mg tablets to yield an equal amount of kelp). Additionally, the quality of the granulated kelp is MUCH higher than the highly-compressed, powdered, product used in making the tablets.
The lecithin was "granulated" in nature and was a derivative of soy. Any health-food or natural/health food store will carry granulated lecithin. If you are
constrained by potential costsPuritan's Pride supplement company is considerably less expensive than most othersbut their product is not, necessarily, superior in any way. At least, that has been our experience.
As related to using kelp as a garden amendment. We have, over the immediately-past 30 yearsutilized liquid seaweed (kelp)as a standard foliage spray. Mixed at the standard recommendations (on the label) we have experienced simply, SPLENDID, results on all of our vegetables, fruit and nut trees-EVERY year, even in drought years. One of the most convenient forms in which to obtain a very useful product is to purchase the SOLUBLE POWDER form. There are several different producers.the most consistent quality---for us---appeared to be MAXICROP Powder.
A 16 ounce container will yield about 240 gallons of spray.
Additionally, we always add 3.5% hydrogen peroxide at about 3 tablespoons per gallon of spray mix. If we are foliar feeding for growth stimulation, we add some form of fish emulsion (strained/filtered before incorporation)). This simple amendment to our general
garden protocols has demonstrated to be the KEY ELEMENT in our success. Our neighbors
have commented...over the years, that we raise the most delicious peaches they have EVER tasted. And these folks are ACCOMPLISHED organic gardeners from the Biodynamic
(Rudolph Steiner) School. I am convinced our foliar spraying protocol is the BIG difference between acceptable and OUTSTANDING.
My apologies for such an extended postbut I have rather pronounced, visceral, positive feelings about the splendid effects of liquid seaweed amendments
applied in spray formand felt compelled proselytize toward converting others.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
p.s. We foliage spray every two weeks during the growing season (starting just before bloomfor the fruit trees). However, we DO NOT spray the fruit trees, again, until
l all the blooms have either dropped or formed fruit.

-[ Received Mail Content ]--
Subject : CSJust ordered my Kelp
Date : Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:40:10 -0600
From : Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com
To : CS List silver-list@eskimo.com

Well, I just ordered my Thorvin Kelp, I got the 8
lb bag. At 20.00 and odd change. With that much
bulk, we plan on adding it to smoothies for the
entire family every day. Cheap nutritional
insurance for everybody. I'll order a bigger bag
closer to Springtime I reckon when we figure out
how big the garden is gonna be, and how much we'll
need to use.

I do have one question. LOL, who was it that mixed
the kelp with Lecithin to swallow it? And what
kind; was it powder or oil, or whatever? I've read
so may emails since I read that one that I don't
remember anything except the tablespoon of Kelp
with a tablespoon of Lecithin? Or I think I
remember reading that in an email on this list:)
I've been reading so much in so many different
places I might have read it elsewhere:/

I'm saving to buy a bigger CS generator too. I
want a Silver Puppy:) But that might be a couple
of months off. We'll see.

Has anyone tried mixing CS with their foliar
sprays for plants in their garden? What were the
results?

Annie

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[RE]CSBrooks , Marshall,learned Members.

Although one of my college majors was chemistry (60 years ago), I do not recall enough
of organic chemistry (and the variations occurring in a dynamic biological setting) to offer
any kind of useful explanation of what is happening in your case. However, having said this, I suggest you investigate converting the ascorbic acid to simple sodium ascorbate (if only for the improved absorption and reduced reactive qualities for the alimentary system).
Marshal Dudley is, by far measure, the most well-qualified on this list (in my opinion) to comment on your inquiry.
My apologies for not having more constructive comment on your situation.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

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Subject : CSBrooks , Marshall,learned Members.
Date : Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:58:48 -0800
From : Peter R reba...@pacbell.net
To : silver-list@eskimo.com

Dear Members.

I have received a piece of information that I am not able to qualify.
I would appreciate any comment on this subject.
I do not have not the slightest idea, if this information is correct or not.

Now having completed my warning, the following.

L-Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) + Salt (Sodium Chloride) - When mixed
produce Formaldehyde.

C6H8C6 + NaCl (or KCl) =HCHO

If there is a true to the above, It would explain my Kidney Failure, in
spite that are very careful in what I eat, and purchase and cook my own
food.
I was not on any drug and was healthy otherwise.
However I used L-ascorbic acid as a condiment on about any food.

Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely

Amadeus
(This is my real first name)

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RE: CSsilver citrate

FYI, this site has a version of silver citrate called ProSilver 240:
http://www.silver100.com/faq.html.

-  Steve N

From: Richard Goodwin [mailto:dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:17 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSsilver citrate

I have seen silver citrate mentioned a couple of times, and recently my
DO told me that he uses a commercial silver citrate at 240 PPM to spray
in his mouth and nose to kill viruses.

What's the deal with silver citrate -- if you drink it, would it turn
you blue?  Is it less/same/more effective than the usual EIS?  Is it
toxic in other ways?

Dick

[RE]CSwhey - OT

I can only comment based upon personal experience. I have ingested undenatured whey products on a continual basis for the immediately-past 65 years-without anybut useful health results. Others may have experienced different results.
I feel compelled to comment that I possess a somewhat jaundiced perspective toward mainstream Medicine (allopathic), media, and organized government (as presently expressing)..therefore, my comment reflects an antagonism against these cartels. Therefore, I conclude there is a high probability that any commentary you may have encounteredwithin the boundaries of these "mainstream" sources.is contaminated by SELF-INTEREST.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
p.s. I issue ONE CODICIL to my reply. A majority of my whey-based supplements have been obtained privatelyfrom original sources. I have consciously avoided ANY form of this or similar productoriginating from foreign sourcesespecially CHINA. Not that I am
prejudiced against the Chinese people or cultureit is just that there are, essentially, NO EFFECTIVE CONTROL measures in effect there at present, which guarantee ANY of the basic materials' integrity.

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Subject : CSwhey - OT
Date : Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:55:56 +
From : Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To : silver-list@eskimo.com

Has anyone heard of any contraindications concerning the taking of undenatured whey? Thanks in advance. dee

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Re: [RE]CSwhey - OT

2009-12-07 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

Thank you for your reply Brooks, the product I have bought is called The True 
Whey which I got from iHerb.  I sincerely hope it doesn't originate from China! 
 dee

On 7 Dec 2009, at 19:05, Brooks Bradley wrote:

 I can only comment based upon personal experience. I have ingested 
 undenatured whey products on a continual basis for the immediately-past 65 
 years-without anybut useful health results. Others may have 
 experienced different results. 
 I feel compelled to comment that I possess a somewhat jaundiced perspective 
 toward mainstream Medicine (allopathic), media, and organized government (as 
 presently expressing)..therefore, my comment reflects an antagonism 
 against these cartels. Therefore, I conclude there is a high probability that 
 any commentary you may have encounteredwithin the boundaries of these 
 mainstream sources.is contaminated by SELF-INTEREST. 
 Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. 
 p.s. I issue ONE CODICIL to my reply. A majority of my whey-based supplements 
 have been obtained privatelyfrom original sources. I have consciously 
 avoided ANY form of this or similar productoriginating from foreign 
 sourcesespecially CHINA. Not that I am 
 prejudiced against the Chinese people or cultureit is just that there 
 are, essentially, NO EFFECTIVE CONTROL measures in effect there at present, 
 which guarantee ANY of the basic materials' integrity. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Subject : CSwhey - OT
 
 Date : Sun, 6 Dec 2009 10:55:56 +
 
 From : Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
 
 To : silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 
 
 Has anyone heard of any contraindications concerning the taking of 
 undenatured whey? Thanks in advance. dee 
 
 
 
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Re: CSSnake oil

2009-12-07 Thread Renee

Oh, now that's interesting.

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
A recent message spoke of snake oil as if it was something to be
avoided.  As with most things that are denigrated in the medical
community, it is because they work so well, as opposed to not working at
all.

Re: CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2009 #768

Much of one's prejudiced judgments come from experience. It can't all be 
a not from here mentality. A couple of decades ago everyone (except 
those from Detroit) judged that Japanese cars were much high quality 
than American made ones. Most, including myself, still feel that way, 
and any car issue of Consumer reports will support that view. With China 
we have had a lot of bad experiences. Melamine tainted food products 
where melamine plastic monomer was substituted for milk, have sickened 
and killed hundreds of people and pets and animals worldwide. On top of 
that every year we have more toys that have to be recalled because they 
are painted with lead paint, which is both illegal and immoral. As 
grandparents we have had recalls on toys we bought for our grandchildren 
on Fischer Price, Thomas the Train (even the toys they replaced the 
leaded ones with had lead in them), and several other brands. That kind 
of experience year after year definitely adds to the notion that many 
Chinese goods, especially food or toys is substandard if not downright 
toxic. The lead paint fiasco is particularly irritating to many people 
because of laws it caused Congress to pass effectively made it illegal 
to sell or even give used children's clothes away. We had a company that 
went out of business because the Chinese lead problem had Congress 
legislate a maximum amount of lead that any item for a child or teenager 
must not have more than a certain maximum amount of lead even if 
necessary for its operation, thus turning their huge inventory of 
children's battery operated motor scooters, ATVs and other things into 
worthless garbage since they have to have lead acid batteries to work.


Marshall

Paul Bond wrote:


I’m always disheartened when I read things like this. I sell product 
around the world but I live in Thailand (though I am English), and I 
think we have a spectacular dialogue with customers and repeat 
business. Yet many times when someone asks where we’re based you can 
hear the crestfallen sigh part way around the world. If someone said 
xyz company, or individual xyz from a certain country I could 
understand it, but why label a country? When I lived in England I used 
to order green tea extract from China by the pallet. I hear American 
(there’s a large ex-pat community here) people particularly (though 
not exclusively) complaining about Chinese product (much like I 
remember as a kid, adults in England complaining about “made in 
Taiwan”). My experience with Chinese manufacturers has always been 
excellent. If you want something cheap then that’s what you get. If 
you want a quality product then you can have that too, but to get 
excellent, nearly free, and made your home country all together is a 
very tall order, at least with the economic differences we have in the 
world at present. I too have a very biased opinion about generalities 
here (from when I tried to start a business with a friend that would 
help local people), and was frustrated with the difference in our 
thinking, but I’ve learned that it’s not a blanket I can apply to 
everyone before I’ve even met them.


I don’t mean to make this sound like a rant, so I apologise if it 
comes across as less than cordial, but I just hope in this day and age 
when we’re going through such a difficult shift together, we could put 
the nationalism behind us and focus on making things better as 
sovereign beings.


Thank you for your time. Be well.

Paul

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*To:* silver-dig...@eskimo.com
*Subject:* silver-digest Digest V2009 #768

Some countries export products that do not match their claims and are 
made with dangerous shortcuts. OR they just plain lie.


So, I avoid anything marketed from India, Italy, Thailand, and Mexico. 
These countries are noted for deceptive marketing strategies or plain 
just mismarking stuff. Thailand sells a lot of silver jewelry with 925 
stamped on it but turns out always to be silver plated over a base metal.


So, I'll pass on this dubious stuff.



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Re: CSBrooks , Marshall,learned Members.


Peter R wrote:

Dear Members.

I have received a piece of information that I am not able to qualify.
I would appreciate any comment on this subject.
I do not have not the slightest idea, if this information is correct 
or not.


Now having completed my warning, the following.

L-Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) + Salt (Sodium Chloride) - When mixed 
produce Formaldehyde.


 C6H8C6   +   NaCl (or KCl)  =HCHO


First, ascorbic acid is C6H6O6, not C6H6C6.

In any chemical equation, the sides must balance. They do not, such a 
reaction as shown is impossible.  The number of carbons would go from 6 
to 1, the number of hydrogen atoms would go from 8 to 2, the number of 
oxygen atoms would go from 6 to 1, and the number of sodium and chlorine 
atoms would go from 1 to 0.


The only possible equation I see of that mix is:

C6H8O6 + NaCl  NaC6H7O6 + HCl

That is that if you take Sodium ascorbate the hydrochloric acid in your 
stomach will reduce it to ascorbic acid and table salt.


Marshall


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Re: CSGlucose management commentary

2009-12-07 Thread Peter Converse

Hi Dianne,

Is it possible that the immune enhancement provided by the agaricus is giving 
you some die-off reactions involving intramuscular inflammation? Possibly, this 
is a TH2 cytokine response which can be alleviated somewhat by taking fish 
oils. Drinking more water may help as may castor oil packs, liver flushing and 
other detox methods.

I could be completely wrong...but maybe not..so I thought I'd mention it.

Hope this helps,

Peter

- Original Message - 
  From: Dianne France 
  To: silver-list ; brooks76...@lycos.com 
  Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:04 AM
  Subject: RE: CSGlucose management commentary


  I was very interested in this study as I also have diabetes and wanted to 
experiment with taking the supplement.  My problem has been when I take the 
Agaricus Blazei I seem to have more problems with muscle cramps.  I don't know 
if the two are associated but each time I stop they seem to go away and once I 
start taking the supplement again they return.
   
  Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.  
   
  Dianne
   

   

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  From: brooks76...@lycos.com
  To: Silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:33:15 -0400
  Subject: CSGlucose management commentary

  During a recently-past immune system modulation evaluation study, we 
  experienced a serendipitous circumstance. Several of the volunteers were 
presenting (as a corollary) various stages of insulin resistance and/or general 
glucose fluctuations of considerable magnitude. We were quite surprisedand 
intriguedby the spontaneous stabilization of glucose parameters---among a 
majority of these volunteers. Following an extensive literature search, we were 
able to confirm that some investigative research had, already been conducted 
  relative to this mushroom's effectiveness in helpfully modulating glucose 
metabolism. Apparently, the beneficial effect sprang from the ability of 
Agaricus Blazei to boost the levels of adiponectin.a substance which 
QUICKLY clears sugar from the bloodstream.without detrimental side-effects. 
To our knowledge, Agaricus Blazei is the only substance (at present) that can 
boost adiponectin levels. 
  We are, at present, in the midst of conducting evaluations concentrating on 
  verifying the speed and/or effectivity of Blazei on a variety of volunteers 
presenting with 
  glucose management challenges. Although early into (6 weeks duration) these 
evaluations, we are quite impressed with the positive results. Most especially, 
in the fact that raising the adiponectin levels have, unaided by supporting 
protocols-effected surprising improvements/stabilization of glucose 
management problems, among our experimental volunteer population. Most 
impressive have been the reduction in wide fluctuations of fasting glucose 
  levels and the mood swings which, normally, accompany pronounced glucose 
variations. 
  List experimenters interested in pursuing their own, personalized, 
trialscan find a large number of Internet-based suppliers of this 
mushroomin both extract and powdered form. 
  I hope our experiences are of some value to the List Membership. 
  Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. 
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RE: CSBrooks , Marshall,learned Members.

Amadeus,

This study would indicate to me that you would need high temperatures
for ascorbic acid to form  formaldehyde. Are you putting the ascorbic
acid in foods before they are cooked? Foods that contain folic acid?

http://www.pnas.org/content/80/21/6500.full.pdf

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Peter R [mailto:reba...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:59 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSBrooks , Marshall,learned Members.

Dear Members.

I have received a piece of information that I am not able to qualify.
I would appreciate any comment on this subject.
I do not have not the slightest idea, if this information is correct or
not.

Now having completed my warning, the following.

L-Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) + Salt (Sodium Chloride) - When mixed 
produce Formaldehyde.

  C6H8C6   +   NaCl (or KCl)  =HCHO

If there is a true to the above, It would explain my Kidney Failure, in 
spite that are very careful in what I eat, and purchase and  cook my own

food.
I was not on any drug and was healthy otherwise.
However I used L-ascorbic acid as a condiment on about any food.

Any information will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely

Amadeus
(This is my real first name)


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Re: CSSilver Acetate

2009-12-07 Thread Sam L.

Hi Steve.
I started making this today. I using 2 silver 1 oz bars as electrodes and I
am at 15 mA with current control set. I used 2 tablespoons of white vinegar
with almost 2 (1650 ml)  liters of distilled water. Im showing 13 volts to
achieve 15 mA. According to the Faraday calc I should have 400 ppm in 11
hours. I will let you know how it turns out.

The silver citrate I made before worked out very well.

Thanks for all the info.

Sam L

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.comwrote:

  Sam,

 Silver citrate has a low solubility in water, 0 .0284 grams/liter, but a
 high solubility in a citric acid solution. That is why you need a lot of
 citric acid in the solution to make a high ppm product.

 Silver acetate has a high solubility in water, 11.11 grams/liter. So you
 need only worry about having enough acetic acid in solution to support the
 ppm of silver acetate you want to make.

 Just an FYI if you are a smoker, silver acetate produces an unpleasant
 metallic taste when combined with cigarettes, so it used as a form of
 aversion therapy for smoking.

 Best of luck in Brazil.

 -   Steve N



 *From:* Sam L. [mailto:one...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:03 PM
 *To:* silver-list
 *Subject:* CSSilver Acetate



 Does anyone know a correct % solution for making silver acetate. For citric
 acid (CS) a 5 % solution is being used.
 I can control the mA and use Faraday calc to determine the ppm. I am in
 Brazil right now and Distilled water is hard to come by and would like to
 make some high ppm CS in case of emergency. I would be able to dilute it
 down using the mineral water here. The city water is pretty bad and we have
 had little rain here for some unknown reason. The streets are dusty and I
 live in a tropical region.
 If I can I would like to make 400 ppm CS and dilute it 10 to1 or 20 to 1.

 TIA

 Sam L.

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 everything you have.




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Re: CSsilver citrate


Richard Goodwin wrote:
I have seen silver citrate mentioned a couple of times, and recently 
my DO told me that he uses a commercial silver citrate at 240 PPM to 
spray in his mouth and nose to kill viruses.


What's the deal with silver citrate -- if you drink it, would it turn 
you blue?  Is it less/same/more effective than the usual EIS?  Is it 
toxic in other ways?


Dick
Virtually all silver compounds can cause argyria if a sufficient level 
of them are maintained in the blood.  Some, such as silver nitrate can 
give you a tattoo when applied the skin if exposed to light before is 
completely absorbed and taken to the elimination routes.  I would say 
that spraying in the mouth would not supply sufficient silver to cause 
problem if only done occasionally even at 240 ppm.


Marshall


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Re: CSdo you have this?


Richard Goodwin wrote:


 BTW the strength of the light showing up with a laser has much much 
less to do with the particle concentration than the particle size. 1/4 
the particles of twice the size will show up as 4 times as bright.


What is the best way to make the smallest particles?


You can either make them that way directly or reduce them later.  To 
make them the smallest possible requires the following:


1. current limiting to no more than 1mA per square inch of anode surface
2. water temperature no warmer than 120 F
3. constant agitation or stirring of the water
4. polarity reversal of the current every 60 seconds
5. concentration of no higher than about 20 ppm
6. very pure distilled water to start with

If larger particle CS is made, usually determined by a strong Tyndall, 
or for even larger particles a yellow, gold, orange color, then it can 
be allowed to age for 2 days, then a small amount of H2O2 added will 
reduce the particles to mostly 2 atoms each.  I use 1/2 teaspoon H2O2 
teaspoon per gallon which works our to be a few drops per 8 ounce glass.


Marshall


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RE: CSSilver Acetate

Thanks. I will be very interested in what you learn.

-  Steve N

From: Sam L. [mailto:one...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSilver Acetate

Hi Steve.
I started making this today. I using 2 silver 1 oz bars as electrodes
and I am at 15 mA with current control set. I used 2 tablespoons of
white vinegar with almost 2 (1650 ml)  liters of distilled water. Im
showing 13 volts to achieve 15 mA. According to the Faraday calc I
should have 400 ppm in 11 hours. I will let you know how it turns out. 

The silver citrate I made before worked out very well.

Thanks for all the info.

Sam L 

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com
wrote:

Sam,

Silver citrate has a low solubility in water, 0 .0284 grams/liter, but a
high solubility in a citric acid solution. That is why you need a lot of
citric acid in the solution to make a high ppm product. 

Silver acetate has a high solubility in water, 11.11 grams/liter. So you
need only worry about having enough acetic acid in solution to support
the ppm of silver acetate you want to make. 

Just an FYI if you are a smoker, silver acetate produces an unpleasant
metallic taste when combined with cigarettes, so it used as a form of
aversion therapy for smoking.

Best of luck in Brazil.

-   Steve N

From: Sam L. [mailto:one...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:03 PM
To: silver-list
Subject: CSSilver Acetate

Does anyone know a correct % solution for making silver acetate. For
citric acid (CS) a 5 % solution is being used.
I can control the mA and use Faraday calc to determine the ppm. I am in
Brazil right now and Distilled water is hard to come by and would like
to make some high ppm CS in case of emergency. I would be able to dilute
it down using the mineral water here. The city water is pretty bad and
we have had little rain here for some unknown reason. The streets are
dusty and I live in a tropical region. 
If I can I would like to make 400 ppm CS and dilute it 10 to1 or 20 to
1.

TIA

Sam L.

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Re: CSJust ordered my Kelp


Hey Pat:)

Yep, ordered it here, I believe they're located in 
Georgia.


www.HoeggerGoatSupply.com

http://www.hoeggergoatsupply.com/xcart/product.php?productid=3484

I think it was Dan that originally posted the link:)

Annie

Pat wrote:

Hi.  Could you tell me where you ordered from?  I contacted Thorvin and they 
said I could buy it in a 50 pound bag.  I was sure it was Brooks Bradley who 
told us of mixing the kelp with lecithin, but I can't find the post now.  I was 
wondering if you could mix it with water and drink quicklyI just can't 
stand the thought of a mouthful of all that.

CS seems to help my houseplants, but I put some one one Lantana in a pot 
outside and left one Lantana without, and the Lantana that had CS didn't do as 
well.  Can't really tell by such a tiny experiment, of course.

Pat



- Original Message 
From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com
To: CS List silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 9:40:10 AM
Subject: CSJust ordered my Kelp

Well, I just ordered my Thorvin Kelp, I got the 8 lb bag. At 20.00 and odd 
change. With that much bulk, we plan on adding it to smoothies for the entire 
family every day. Cheap nutritional insurance for everybody. I'll order a 
bigger bag closer to Springtime I reckon when we figure out how big the garden 
is gonna be, and how much we'll need to use.

I do have one question. LOL, who was it that mixed the kelp with Lecithin to 
swallow it? And what kind; was it powder or oil, or whatever? I've read so may 
emails since I read that one that I don't remember anything except the 
tablespoon of Kelp with a tablespoon of Lecithin? Or I think I remember reading 
that in an email on this list:) I've been reading so much in so many different 
places I might have read it elsewhere:/

I'm saving to buy a bigger CS generator too. I want a Silver Puppy:) But that 
might be a couple of months off. We'll see.

Has anyone tried mixing CS with their foliar sprays for plants in their garden? 
What were the results?

Annie


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Re: CSJust ordered my Kelp


Here's their mailing address info:

MAILING ADDRESS:
HOEGGER SUPPLY COMPANY
160 Providence Road
Fayetteville, GA 30215

PHONE: 770-461-6926 FAX: 770-461-7334


Annie




Pat wrote:

Hi.  Could you tell me where you ordered from?  I contacted Thorvin and they 
said I could buy it in a 50 pound bag.  I was sure it was Brooks Bradley who 
told us of mixing the kelp with lecithin, but I can't find the post now.  I was 
wondering if you could mix it with water and drink quicklyI just can't 
stand the thought of a mouthful of all that.

CS seems to help my houseplants, but I put some one one Lantana in a pot 
outside and left one Lantana without, and the Lantana that had CS didn't do as 
well.  Can't really tell by such a tiny experiment, of course.

Pat



- Original Message 
From: Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com
To: CS List silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 9:40:10 AM
Subject: CSJust ordered my Kelp

Well, I just ordered my Thorvin Kelp, I got the 8 lb bag. At 20.00 and odd 
change. With that much bulk, we plan on adding it to smoothies for the entire 
family every day. Cheap nutritional insurance for everybody. I'll order a 
bigger bag closer to Springtime I reckon when we figure out how big the garden 
is gonna be, and how much we'll need to use.

I do have one question. LOL, who was it that mixed the kelp with Lecithin to 
swallow it? And what kind; was it powder or oil, or whatever? I've read so may 
emails since I read that one that I don't remember anything except the 
tablespoon of Kelp with a tablespoon of Lecithin? Or I think I remember reading 
that in an email on this list:) I've been reading so much in so many different 
places I might have read it elsewhere:/

I'm saving to buy a bigger CS generator too. I want a Silver Puppy:) But that 
might be a couple of months off. We'll see.

Has anyone tried mixing CS with their foliar sprays for plants in their garden? 
What were the results?

Annie


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Re: CSConcentrated silver?

2009-12-07 Thread Dave Darrin

I sent this message,I thought to the silver list, but it only went to Scott
Adams.

I have gmail and it does that every now and then.
My parent email is comcast and they block the silver list most of the
time--but not all so I guess I'll have to use more diligence to see where my
messages are going. Here it is again:

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*From:* Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2009 12:53 PM
*To:* msad...@msadams.com
*Subject:* Re: CSConcentrated silver?

I have concentrated EIS by putting it in a coffee carafe and putting it on
the coffee maker hot plate.
When it steams off about half of the water I refill it and repeat until the
solution turns a dark gold to brown appearance.
At that point if you add the same amount of distilled water as you reduced
the solution will turn back to clear. So I would think you could reduce even
farther and reconstitute it with distilled water from any concentration if
you keep in mind the amount you removed.

The buzz word in this is distilled as I wouldn't recommend using tap water
but it might not make a difference.
An interesting phenomenon here is that the color doesn't seem to indicate
larger particle size as adding the original amount of distilled water
returns it to clear.

Dave



On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com wrote:

  Thanks Dave! I noticed you didn't also send this to the list. Was that an
 oversight?

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 *From:* Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2009 12:53 PM
 *To:* msad...@msadams.com
 *Subject:* Re: CSConcentrated silver?

 I have concentrated EIS by putting it in a coffee carafe and putting it on
 the coffee maker hot plate.
 When it steams off about half of the water I refill it and repeat until the
 solution turns a dark gold to brown appearance.
 At that point if you add the same amount of distilled water as you reduced
 the solution will turn back to clear. So I would think you could reduce even
 farther and reconstitute it with distilled water from any concentration if
 you keep in mind the amount you removed.

 The buzz word in this is distilled as I wouldn't recommend using tap
 water but it might not make a difference.
 An interesting phenomenon here is that the color doesn't seem to indicate
 larger particle size as adding the original amount of distilled water
 returns it to clear.

 Dave

 On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com wrote:

 My wife asked me the following and I would like to hear what others say...

 Can you make the silver concentrated, so I can take it traveling , put
 drops
 in a cup of water and drink it diluted that way?


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Re: CSdo you have this?

2009-12-07 Thread Richard Goodwin

Awesome -- thanks!

Is there any negative to h2o2?  Doesn't sound like there would be in that 
quantity.

Dick





From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 3:47:47 PM
Subject: Re: CSdo you have this?

Richard Goodwin wrote:
 
  BTW the strength of the light showing up with a laser has much much less to 
  do with the particle concentration than the particle size. 1/4 the 
  particles of twice the size will show up as 4 times as bright.
 
 What is the best way to make the smallest particles?
 
 
You can either make them that way directly or reduce them later.  To make them 
the smallest possible requires the following:

1. current limiting to no more than 1mA per square inch of anode surface
2. water temperature no warmer than 120 F
3. constant agitation or stirring of the water
4. polarity reversal of the current every 60 seconds
5. concentration of no higher than about 20 ppm
6. very pure distilled water to start with

If larger particle CS is made, usually determined by a strong Tyndall, or for 
even larger particles a yellow, gold, orange color, then it can be allowed to 
age for 2 days, then a small amount of H2O2 added will reduce the particles to 
mostly 2 atoms each.  I use 1/2 teaspoon H2O2 teaspoon per gallon which works 
our to be a few drops per 8 ounce glass.

Marshall


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Re: [RE]CSJust ordered my Kelp:COMMENT


Thank you Brooks:)

I appreciate your repost:) You are an amazing font 
of knowledge and information. Hugs and kisses for 
you:) I have so many emails in my CS Folder that 
sometimes it's hard to backtrack to the right 
email. I guess I'm going to have to organize my CS 
mail folder by the subject of the body text. And 
that's going to be a job and a half. I have over 
8,000 emails saved! I refuse to delete them. 
Information is a valuable resource:)


Annie

Brooks Bradley wrote:

  Dear Annie,
I believe it was, probably, me who posted the information relating to 
the dosage
volumes (of kelp and lecithin). Actually, the most acceptable (for a 
majority of our volunteers) method proved to beplacing one rounded 
teaspoon of lecithin in the mouth and adding enough water (about one 
tablespoon) and swishing sufficiently to make a slurry; next, adding one 
rounded teaspoon of granulated kelpfollowed by just enough added 
water to re-establish the slurry consistency. Next, just wash it all 
down as you, continuously dilute with additional water. Repeat the 
procedure a second timefor an adequate amount for the average adult. 
Although it sounds complicatedit is not.
What this method gains one is that it, essentially, eliminates any 
problem that would emanate from sensitive persons (pronounced gag 
reflex) attempting to swallow dry granulated kelp. The lecithin does 
an excellent job emulsifying the entire mixture and

negates the hygroscopic (water-loving) character of the granulated kelp.
By far the greatest benefit from this, particular, procedure is.it 
allows the ingestion of sufficient volume of kelp---at one time---to 
meet ones overall daily requirements, without considerably more 
elaborate techniques (e.g. it would require more than 12 standard 50 mg 
tablets to yield an equal amount of kelp). Additionally, the quality of 
the granulated kelp is MUCH higher than the highly-compressed, powdered, 
product used in making the tablets.
The lecithin was granulated in nature and was a derivative of soy. Any 
health-food or natural/health food store will carry granulated lecithin. 
If you are
constrained by potential costsPuritan's Pride supplement company is 
considerably less expensive than most othersbut their product is 
not, necessarily, superior in any way. At least, that has been our 
experience.
As related to using kelp as a garden amendment. We have, over the 
immediately-past 30 yearsutilized liquid seaweed (kelp)as a standard 
foliage spray. Mixed at the standard recommendations (on the label) we 
have experienced simply, SPLENDID, results on all of our vegetables, 
fruit and nut trees-EVERY year, even in drought years. One of the 
most convenient forms in which to obtain a very useful product is to 
purchase the SOLUBLE POWDER form. There are several different 
producers.the most consistent quality---for us---appeared to be 
MAXICROP Powder.

A 16 ounce container will yield about 240 gallons of spray.
Additionally, we always add 3.5% hydrogen peroxide at about 3 
tablespoons per gallon of spray mix. If we are foliar feeding for growth 
stimulation, we add some form of fish emulsion (strained/filtered before 
incorporation)). This simple amendment to our general
garden protocols has demonstrated to be the KEY ELEMENT in our success. 
Our neighbors
have commented...over the years, that we raise the most delicious 
peaches they have EVER tasted. And these folks are ACCOMPLISHED organic 
gardeners from the Biodynamic
(Rudolph Steiner) School. I am convinced our foliar spraying protocol is 
the BIG difference between acceptable and OUTSTANDING.
My apologies for such an extended postbut I have rather pronounced, 
visceral, positive feelings about the splendid effects of liquid seaweed 
amendments
applied in spray formand felt compelled proselytize toward 
converting others.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
p.s. We foliage spray every two weeks during the growing season 
(starting just before bloomfor the fruit trees). However, we DO NOT 
spray the fruit trees, again, until

l all the blooms have either dropped or formed fruit.












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*Subject : *CSJust ordered my Kelp

*Date : *Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:40:10 -0600

*From : *Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com

*To : *CS List silver-list@eskimo.com



Well, I just ordered my Thorvin Kelp, I got the 8

lb bag. At 20.00 and odd change. With that much

bulk, we plan on adding it to smoothies for the

entire family every day. Cheap nutritional

insurance for everybody. I'll order a bigger bag

closer to Springtime I reckon when we figure out

how big the garden is gonna be, and how much we'll

need to use.



I do have one question. LOL, who was it that mixed

the kelp with Lecithin to swallow it? And what

kind; was it powder or oil, or whatever? I've read

so may emails since I read that one

RE: CSAspartame

Pat,

I have tried to find info on the 21 FDA scientists but have only come up with 
9.  

 WASHINGTON -- A group of scientists at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration 
on Wednesday sent a letter to President-elect Barack Obama's transition team 
pleading with him to restructure the agency, saying managers have ordered, 
intimidated and coerced scientists to manipulate data in violation of the law.

The nine scientists, whose names have been provided to the transition team and 
to some members of Congress, say the FDA is a fundamentally broken agency and 
describe it as place where honest employees committed to integrity can't act 
without fear of reprisal.

I was never able to verify that any one of them lost their job. Can your source 
provide any substantiating info on the claim below? If not, maybe it has not 
been reported because there is no story.

 - Steve N




 Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote:

=
This was a post from the BoneSmart forum:


I don't know how much of U.S. issues you
follow, but last January, as soon as Obama took office, he received a
letter from 21 FDA scientists asking him to look into the corruption.
Weeks later the FDA laid them all off, and I don't know if they ever
got their jobs back. It became a big whistle blowers case after.

Betty Martini is was an FDA doctor for 17 years, and now is a 
whistleblower as well.
Here is her contact info.she usually sends very thorough replies to
questions. Her main concern now is getting aspartame off the market,
because it has been proven to cause M.S., ALS, and other deadly
diseases, but she is very knowledgeable on Pfizer drugs as well.

Dr. Betty Martini, D.Hum.
Founder, Mission Possible World Health International
9270 River Club Parkway
Duluth, Georgia 30097
770-242-2599
E-Mail: betty...@mindspring.com
http://www.wpwhi.com
http://www.whno.net
http://www.dorway.com

Aspartame Toxicity Center: 
http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame  __





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Re: CSsilver citrate -- Concentrated silver?

Norton, Steve wrote:

Dick and Scott,

I hope you don't mind me combining both of your questions into one response
since there is an overlap in subject matter.

It is generally accepted that you cannot make a stable EIS solution above 30 ppm. However, there is a method claimed to be able to make EIS as high as 500 ppm. It will of course be a dark color but it is also claimed that when sufficiently diluted, it will return to a light yellow color.( I would assume that at that point you could add a little H2O2 to produce a clear solution.)
See:

http://www.silverceramicsystems.com/CS16-5-3.html
Recent Success at Concentrated CS Production
Points Up Requirement of Very Pure, Distilled Water

That fellow used to be a member of this list. We all assisted him (
made suggestions ) on his silver impregnated filtering clay. Anyway,
the page is very interesting. First from reading it it appears that one
could use high quality distilled water for both the double boiler and
colloid water. Realizing that this is for areas where labor is cheap,
and equipment expensive, there are a number of ways one could reduce the
energy requirements, water requirements and labor requirements.

1. Use a timer to switch polarity as I presently do with my flow through
system
2. Use a thermistor and temperature controller to maintain the desired
temperature of the colloid without using a double boiler arrangement (a
thermometer and a temperature controlled heating base could do it.)

That said, I think I do understand what is happening. Our limit of 20
ppm, which includes the ionic silver primarily, is set by the solubility
of the ionic silver at room temperature. Since that arrangement is
heating the solution then two things happen. First the solubility of
the silver oxide goes up significantly, from about 13 ppm to over 50
ppm. In addition the Browning movement will increase tremendously.
Now if you increase the ion concentration, the probability of a
collision between oxide or hydroxide silver ions increases by the
square, so that alone should cause the colloidal portion to go up by a
factor of about 20 to 25, setting the limit to about 400 to 500 ppm. The
increase in Browning movement adds to this ability, especially of an ion
and colloidal particle banging into each other. Not limiting the
current also adds to the particle size thereby allowing a higher silver
concentration.

Now the colloid turns red. That indicates that the particle size of the
colloid is much higher than optimum. Thus far it all makes pretty good
sense. However they say that if you dilute it down to 20 ppm or so, it
returns back to a light yellow, indicating small near optimum particle
size. That does not make sense to me.

I only have one theory as to how that is even possible. This is just a
theory, and it could well be very very wrong. At the increased
concentration and temperature, we end up with silver oxide and/or silver
hydroxide ions colliding with silver particles, and they stick
together. Once this happens, another silver particle can collide with
the ion stuck to the first silver particle, making two particle stuck
together with an oxygen or hydroxyl ion. This produces what appears to
be a larger silver particle, although it is really made up of smaller
particles stuck together by an oxygen or hydroxyl ions. Think of a
popcorn ball, where the popcorn is the silver particles, and the sugar
is the oxygen or hydroxide ions. Now, this is a stable arrangement,
since the solution is at the solubility limit of silver
oxide/hydroxide. However if you dilute it, the silver oxide/hydroxide
glue dissolves back into the water, unglueing the silver particles,
which are now small. Thus it will reconstitute back to good, but not
necessarily excellent EIS equivalent.

I have GOT to try this. This could be one of the most exciting
discoveries in this field in years.

Marshall

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Re: [RE]CSBrooks , Marshall,learned Members.

Thanks Brooks. I appreciate the confidence.  For me it has been over 40 
years since my major in chemistry, but I do keep a couple of copies of 
the CRC handbook of chemistry and physics and about 6 or 8 college 
chemistry textbooks around for reference.  I must say though with the 
questions on this list, I think I know more about chemistry now than I 
did then, research and figuring things out, instead of just book 
learning for a test makes a world of difference.


Marshall

Brooks Bradley wrote:
Although one of my college majors was chemistry (60 years ago), I do 
not recall enough
of organic chemistry (and the variations occurring in a dynamic 
biological setting) to offer
any kind of useful explanation of what is happening in your case. 
However, having said this, I suggest you investigate converting the 
ascorbic acid to simple sodium ascorbate (if only for the improved 
absorption and reduced reactive qualities for the alimentary system).
Marshal Dudley is, by far measure, the most well-qualified on this 
list (in my opinion) to comment on your inquiry.

My apologies for not having more constructive comment on your situation.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.









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*Subject : *CSBrooks , Marshall,learned Members.

*Date : *Sun, 06 Dec 2009 23:58:48 -0800

*From : *Peter R reba...@pacbell.net

*To : *silver-l...@eskimo.com



Dear Members.



I have received a piece of information that I am not able to qualify.

I would appreciate any comment on this subject.

I do not have not the slightest idea, if this information is
correct or not.



Now having completed my warning, the following.



L-Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) + Salt (Sodium Chloride) - When mixed

produce Formaldehyde.



C6H8C6 + NaCl (or KCl) =HCHO



If there is a true to the above, It would explain my Kidney
Failure, in

spite that are very careful in what I eat, and purchase and cook
my own

food.

I was not on any drug and was healthy otherwise.

However I used L-ascorbic acid as a condiment on about any food.



Any information will be greatly appreciated.



Sincerely



Amadeus

(This is my real first name)





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Re: [RE]CSJust ordered my Kelp:COMMENT


Oh my!

About the fishy stuff for the garden. I was 
considering going down to the docks to ask for 
fish scraps since I don't live very far from where 
the fishing boats come in. And we have a huge 
fresh seafood place right next to the docks. If I 
get the fish scraps and put them in a barrel with 
some soil and let them decompose. Would the 
resultant soil make a decent adjunct to the kelp 
for my veggie garden?


I've wondered if it is kelp that Dan Carlson uses 
in his Sonic Bloom foliar spray mixture?


Annie



Brooks Bradley wrote:


  Dear Annie,
I believe it was, probably, me who posted the information relating to 
the dosage
volumes (of kelp and lecithin). Actually, the most acceptable (for a 
majority of our volunteers) method proved to beplacing one rounded 
teaspoon of lecithin in the mouth and adding enough water (about one 
tablespoon) and swishing sufficiently to make a slurry; next, adding one 
rounded teaspoon of granulated kelpfollowed by just enough added 
water to re-establish the slurry consistency. Next, just wash it all 
down as you, continuously dilute with additional water. Repeat the 
procedure a second timefor an adequate amount for the average adult. 
Although it sounds complicatedit is not.
What this method gains one is that it, essentially, eliminates any 
problem that would emanate from sensitive persons (pronounced gag 
reflex) attempting to swallow dry granulated kelp. The lecithin does 
an excellent job emulsifying the entire mixture and

negates the hygroscopic (water-loving) character of the granulated kelp.
By far the greatest benefit from this, particular, procedure is.it 
allows the ingestion of sufficient volume of kelp---at one time---to 
meet ones overall daily requirements, without considerably more 
elaborate techniques (e.g. it would require more than 12 standard 50 mg 
tablets to yield an equal amount of kelp). Additionally, the quality of 
the granulated kelp is MUCH higher than the highly-compressed, powdered, 
product used in making the tablets.
The lecithin was granulated in nature and was a derivative of soy. Any 
health-food or natural/health food store will carry granulated lecithin. 
If you are
constrained by potential costsPuritan's Pride supplement company is 
considerably less expensive than most othersbut their product is 
not, necessarily, superior in any way. At least, that has been our 
experience.
As related to using kelp as a garden amendment. We have, over the 
immediately-past 30 yearsutilized liquid seaweed (kelp)as a standard 
foliage spray. Mixed at the standard recommendations (on the label) we 
have experienced simply, SPLENDID, results on all of our vegetables, 
fruit and nut trees-EVERY year, even in drought years. One of the 
most convenient forms in which to obtain a very useful product is to 
purchase the SOLUBLE POWDER form. There are several different 
producers.the most consistent quality---for us---appeared to be 
MAXICROP Powder.

A 16 ounce container will yield about 240 gallons of spray.
Additionally, we always add 3.5% hydrogen peroxide at about 3 
tablespoons per gallon of spray mix. If we are foliar feeding for growth 
stimulation, we add some form of fish emulsion (strained/filtered before 
incorporation)). This simple amendment to our general
garden protocols has demonstrated to be the KEY ELEMENT in our success. 
Our neighbors
have commented...over the years, that we raise the most delicious 
peaches they have EVER tasted. And these folks are ACCOMPLISHED organic 
gardeners from the Biodynamic
(Rudolph Steiner) School. I am convinced our foliar spraying protocol is 
the BIG difference between acceptable and OUTSTANDING.
My apologies for such an extended postbut I have rather pronounced, 
visceral, positive feelings about the splendid effects of liquid seaweed 
amendments
applied in spray formand felt compelled proselytize toward 
converting others.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
p.s. We foliage spray every two weeks during the growing season 
(starting just before bloomfor the fruit trees). However, we DO NOT 
spray the fruit trees, again, until

l all the blooms have either dropped or formed fruit.












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*Subject : *CSJust ordered my Kelp

*Date : *Mon, 07 Dec 2009 08:40:10 -0600

*From : *Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com

*To : *CS List silver-list@eskimo.com



Well, I just ordered my Thorvin Kelp, I got the 8

lb bag. At 20.00 and odd change. With that much

bulk, we plan on adding it to smoothies for the

entire family every day. Cheap nutritional

insurance for everybody. I'll order a bigger bag

closer to Springtime I reckon when we figure out

how big the garden is gonna be, and how much we'll

need to use.



I do have one question. LOL, who was it that mixed

the kelp with Lecithin to swallow it? And what

kind; was it powder or oil, or

Re: CSSupplement Dosing help needed--OT

Oh, I was just reading about pitted fruits 
last night. That's what I read in several places. 
All the pitted fruits do that. Apricots, cherries, 
etc. Can any of our handy dandy chemistry folks 
explain the difference if there is any?


Annie

Marshall Dudley wrote:

Steve wrote:


I don't know anything about laetrile one way or another, but I do know 
that people who eat too many seeds too fast from the rose family, 
which include apples, apricots, peaches and so on.At least you 
don't have to worry about it building up over the years.


I had to do a little bit of research once you brought this point up 
and according to 'straightdope.com'  these pits do not have cyanide.  
Instead they have cyanogenetic glycosides, whatever that is, which 
releases hydrogen cyanide when ingested through enzymatic action.




That is correct.  I think that the enzyme that causes the release is one 
produced by dividing cells.  Very small amounts are present in a normal 
person, but larger amounts are present in babies, children, and pregnant 
women.  (It is this enzyme I believe that is tested for in the over the 
counter pregnancy tests, which can give a false positive if the person 
has certain cancers). Very large amounts are present in cancers, thus 
the cancer killing ability of B17.


Marshall


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Re: [RE]CSJust ordered my Kelp:COMMENT

   Dear Annie,
I believe your opportunity to obtain fresh fish scraps/offal to be absolutely PRICELESS. You have the opportunity to make a compost superior to ANYTHING  you can purchase on the commercial market.
 As a matter of fact, I am told that Mr. Carlson does, indeed, use a kelp component in his Sonic Bloom protocol.
Sincerely,  Brooks.



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 Subject : Re: [RE]CSJust ordered my Kelp:COMMENT
 Date : Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:43:11 -0600
 From : Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com
 To : silver-list@eskimo.com

Oh my!

About the fishy stuff for the garden. I was 
considering going down to the docks to ask for 
fish scraps since I don't live very far from where 
the fishing boats come in. And we have a huge 
fresh seafood place right next to the docks. If I 
get the fish scraps and put them in a barrel with 
some soil and let them decompose. Would the 
resultant soil make a decent adjunct to the kelp 
for my veggie garden?

I've wondered if it is kelp that Dan Carlson uses 
in his Sonic Bloom foliar spray mixture?

Annie



Brooks Bradley wrote:

>   Dear Annie,
> I believe it was, probably, me who posted the information relating to 
> the dosage
> volumes (of kelp and lecithin). Actually, the most acceptable (for a 
> majority of our volunteers) method proved to beplacing one rounded 
> teaspoon of lecithin in the mouth and adding enough water (about one 
> tablespoon) and swishing sufficiently to make a slurry; next, adding one 
> rounded teaspoon of granulated kelpfollowed by just enough added 
> water to re-establish the slurry consistency. Next, just wash it all 
> down as you, continuously dilute with additional water. Repeat the 
> procedure a second timefor an adequate amount for the average adult. 
> Although it sounds complicatedit is not.
> What this method gains one is that it, essentially, eliminates any 
> problem that would emanate from sensitive persons (pronounced gag 
> reflex) attempting to swallow "dry" granulated kelp. The lecithin does 
> an excellent job emulsifying the entire mixture and
> negates the "hygroscopic" (water-loving) character of the granulated kelp.
> By far the greatest benefit from this, particular, procedure is.it 
> allows the ingestion of sufficient volume of kelp---at one time---to 
> meet ones overall daily requirements, without considerably more 
> elaborate techniques (e.g. it would require more than 12 standard 50 mg 
> tablets to yield an equal amount of kelp). Additionally, the quality of 
> the granulated kelp is MUCH higher than the highly-compressed, powdered, 
> product used in making the tablets.
> The lecithin was "granulated" in nature and was a derivative of soy. Any 
> health-food or natural/health food store will carry granulated lecithin. 
> If you are
> constrained by potential costsPuritan's Pride supplement company is 
> considerably less expensive than most othersbut their product is 
> not, necessarily, superior in any way. At least, that has been our 
> experience.
> As related to using kelp as a garden amendment. We have, over the 
> immediately-past 30 yearsutilized liquid seaweed (kelp)as a standard 
> foliage spray. Mixed at the standard recommendations (on the label) we 
> have experienced simply, SPLENDID, results on all of our vegetables, 
> fruit and nut trees-EVERY year, even in drought years. One of the 
> most convenient forms in which to obtain a very useful product is to 
> purchase the SOLUBLE POWDER form. There are several different 
> producers.the most consistent quality---for us---appeared to be 
> MAXICROP Powder.
> A 16 ounce container will yield about 240 gallons of spray.
> Additionally, we always add 3.5% hydrogen peroxide at about 3 
> tablespoons per gallon of spray mix. If we are foliar feeding for growth 
> stimulation, we add some form of fish emulsion (strained/filtered before 
> incorporation)). This simple amendment to our general
> garden protocols has demonstrated to be the KEY ELEMENT in our success. 
> Our neighbors
> have commented...over the years, that we raise the most delicious 
> peaches they have EVER tasted. And these folks are ACCOMPLISHED organic 
> gardeners from the Biodynamic
> (Rudolph Steiner) School. I am convinced our foliar spraying protocol is 
> the BIG difference between acceptable and OUTSTANDING.
> My apologies for such an extended postbut I have rather pronounced, 
> visceral, positive feelings about the splendid effects of liquid seaweed 
> amendments
> applied in spray formand felt compelled proselytize toward 
> converting others.
> Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
> p.s. We foliage spray every two weeks during the growing season 
> (starting just before bloomfor the fruit trees). However, we DO NOT 
> spray the fruit trees, again, until
> l all the blooms have either dropped or formed fruit.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail

Re: CSAspartame

But 9 scientists sounds so much less terrible than
21 scientists doesn't it? US media sources are
notorious for fiddling with numbers. If you read
three different sources they can and have printed
stories with three conflicting sets of numbers. I
don't trust any of the US MSM numbers. Any time
they want to make a situation seem less bad, or
less influential, they cut the numbers. Remember
what they were saying about Ron Paul's supporters?
That they were kids on the internet. They've
been caught downplaying protest numbers as well,
trying to make protesters look like fringe nut
cases. So meh, I take everything the big Media
sources in the US say with a grain of salt. And
even foreign sources can have an agenda. It's a
shame that the media isn't truly objective
anymore. They're just supposed to report the
facts. There aren't any more Walter Cronkites, may
he rest in peace.

Annie

Norton, Steve wrote:

Pat,

I have tried to find info on the 21 FDA scientists but have only come up with 9.

WASHINGTON -- A group of scientists at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration
on Wednesday sent a letter to President-elect Barack Obama's transition team
pleading with him to restructure the agency, saying managers have ordered,
intimidated and coerced scientists to manipulate data in violation of the law.

The nine scientists, whose names have been provided to the transition team and to some members
of Congress, say the FDA is a fundamentally broken agency and describe it as place
where honest employees committed to integrity can't act without fear of reprisal.

I was never able to verify that any one of them lost their job. Can your source
provide any substantiating info on the claim below? If not, maybe it has not
been reported because there is no story.

- Steve N

Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote:

=
This was a post from the BoneSmart forum:

I don't know how much of U.S. issues you
follow, but last January, as soon as Obama took office, he received a
letter from 21 FDA scientists asking him to look into the corruption.
Weeks later the FDA laid them all off, and I don't know if they ever
got their jobs back. It became a big whistle blowers case after.

Betty Martini is was an FDA doctor for 17 years, and now is a
whistleblower as well.

Here is her contact info.she usually sends very thorough replies to
questions. Her main concern now is getting aspartame off the market,
because it has been proven to cause M.S., ALS, and other deadly
diseases, but she is very knowledgeable on Pfizer drugs as well.

Dr. Betty Martini, D.Hum.
Founder, Mission Possible World Health International
9270 River Club Parkway
Duluth, Georgia 30097
770-242-2599
E-Mail: betty...@mindspring.com
http://www.wpwhi.com
http://www.whno.net
http://www.dorway.com

Aspartame Toxicity Center:
http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame __

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Re: [RE]CSJust ordered my Kelp:COMMENT


Thank you, Brooks:)

I'll do that then. The fishy scraps. How long 
should I allow the fish to decompose in the 
compost before I use it for my container garden?


And, LOL, thank you for the confirmation. I would 
like to try Dan's plant frequency CDs. I've heard 
good things about the results.


Annie

Brooks Bradley wrote:

  Dear Annie,
I believe your opportunity to obtain fresh fish scraps/offal to be 
absolutely PRICELESS. You have the opportunity to make a compost 
superior to ANYTHING you can purchase on the commercial market.
As a matter of fact, I am told that Mr. Carlson does, indeed, use a kelp 
component in his Sonic Bloom protocol.

Sincerely, Brooks.








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*Date : *Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:43:11 -0600

*From : *Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com

*To : *silver-l...@eskimo.com



Oh my!



About the fishy stuff for the garden. I was

considering going down to the docks to ask for

fish scraps since I don't live very far from where

the fishing boats come in. And we have a huge

fresh seafood place right next to the docks. If I

get the fish scraps and put them in a barrel with

some soil and let them decompose. Would the

resultant soil make a decent adjunct to the kelp

for my veggie garden?



I've wondered if it is kelp that Dan Carlson uses

in his Sonic Bloom foliar spray mixture?



Annie







Brooks Bradley wrote:



  Dear Annie,

  I believe it was, probably, me who posted the information
relating to

  the dosage

  volumes (of kelp and lecithin). Actually, the most acceptable (for a

  majority of our volunteers) method proved to beplacing one
rounded

  teaspoon of lecithin in the mouth and adding enough water (about one

  tablespoon) and swishing sufficiently to make a slurry; next,
adding one

  rounded teaspoon of granulated kelpfollowed by just enough added

  water to re-establish the slurry consistency. Next, just wash it all

  down as you, continuously dilute with additional water. Repeat the

  procedure a second timefor an adequate amount for the average
adult.

  Although it sounds complicatedit is not.

  What this method gains one is that it, essentially, eliminates any

  problem that would emanate from sensitive persons (pronounced gag

  reflex) attempting to swallow dry granulated kelp. The lecithin
does

  an excellent job emulsifying the entire mixture and

  negates the hygroscopic (water-loving) character of the
granulated kelp.

  By far the greatest benefit from this, particular, procedure
is.it

  allows the ingestion of sufficient volume of kelp---at one time---to

  meet ones overall daily requirements, without considerably more

  elaborate techniques (e.g. it would require more than 12 standard
50 mg

  tablets to yield an equal amount of kelp). Additionally, the
quality of

  the granulated kelp is MUCH higher than the highly-compressed,
powdered,

  product used in making the tablets.

  The lecithin was granulated in nature and was a derivative of
soy. Any

  health-food or natural/health food store will carry granulated
lecithin.

  If you are

  constrained by potential costsPuritan's Pride supplement
company is

  considerably less expensive than most othersbut their product is

  not, necessarily, superior in any way. At least, that has been our

  experience.

  As related to using kelp as a garden amendment. We have, over the

  immediately-past 30 yearsutilized liquid seaweed (kelp)as a
standard

  foliage spray. Mixed at the standard recommendations (on the
label) we

  have experienced simply, SPLENDID, results on all of our vegetables,

  fruit and nut trees-EVERY year, even in drought years. One of
the

  most convenient forms in which to obtain a very useful product is to

  purchase the SOLUBLE POWDER form. There are several different

  producers.the most consistent quality---for us---appeared to be

  MAXICROP Powder.

  A 16 ounce container will yield about 240 gallons of spray.

  Additionally, we always add 3.5% hydrogen peroxide at about 3

  tablespoons per gallon of spray mix. If we are foliar feeding for
growth

  stimulation, we add some form of fish emulsion (strained/filtered
before

  incorporation)). This simple amendment to our general

  garden protocols has demonstrated to be the KEY ELEMENT in our
success.

  Our neighbors

  have commented...over the years, that we raise the most delicious

  peaches they have EVER tasted. And these folks are ACCOMPLISHED
organic

  gardeners from the Biodynamic

  (Rudolph Steiner) School. I

Re: CSdo you have this?

Generally such small amounts only adverse affect is it can taste pretty 
raunchy.


Marshall

Richard Goodwin wrote:

Awesome -- thanks!

Is there any negative to h2o2?  Doesn't sound like there would be in 
that quantity.


Dick


*From:* Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, December 7, 2009 3:47:47 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSdo you have this?

Richard Goodwin wrote:

  BTW the strength of the light showing up with a laser has much 
much less to do with the particle concentration than the particle 
size. 1/4 the particles of twice the size will show up as 4 times as 
bright.


 What is the best way to make the smallest particles?


You can either make them that way directly or reduce them later.  To 
make them the smallest possible requires the following:


1. current limiting to no more than 1mA per square inch of anode surface
2. water temperature no warmer than 120 F
3. constant agitation or stirring of the water
4. polarity reversal of the current every 60 seconds
5. concentration of no higher than about 20 ppm
6. very pure distilled water to start with

If larger particle CS is made, usually determined by a strong Tyndall, 
or for even larger particles a yellow, gold, orange color, then it can 
be allowed to age for 2 days, then a small amount of H2O2 added will 
reduce the particles to mostly 2 atoms each.  I use 1/2 teaspoon H2O2 
teaspoon per gallon which works our to be a few drops per 8 ounce glass.


Marshall


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Re: CSSupplement Dosing help needed--OT

I believe the only real difference between different pits is the 
concentration of B17.


Marshall

Annie B Smythe wrote:
Oh, I was just reading about pitted fruits last night. That's what 
I read in several places. All the pitted fruits do that. Apricots, 
cherries, etc. Can any of our handy dandy chemistry folks explain the 
difference if there is any?


Annie

Marshall Dudley wrote:

Steve wrote:


I don't know anything about laetrile one way or another, but I do 
know that people who eat too many seeds too fast from the rose 
family, which include apples, apricots, peaches and so on.At 
least you don't have to worry about it building up over the years.


I had to do a little bit of research once you brought this point up 
and according to 'straightdope.com'  these pits do not have 
cyanide.  Instead they have cyanogenetic glycosides, whatever that 
is, which releases hydrogen cyanide when ingested through enzymatic 
action.




That is correct.  I think that the enzyme that causes the release is 
one produced by dividing cells.  Very small amounts are present in a 
normal person, but larger amounts are present in babies, children, 
and pregnant women.  (It is this enzyme I believe that is tested for 
in the over the counter pregnancy tests, which can give a false 
positive if the person has certain cancers). Very large amounts are 
present in cancers, thus the cancer killing ability of B17.


Marshall


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Re: CSAspartame

2009-12-07 Thread slickpicker

And if you look into Walter's background, you'll find he had more of an agenda
than anyone knew at the time.

Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com wrote:

=
But 9 scientists sounds so much less terrible than
21 scientists doesn't it? US media sources are
notorious for fiddling with numbers. If you read
three different sources they can and have printed
stories with three conflicting sets of numbers. I
don't trust any of the US MSM numbers. Any time
they want to make a situation seem less bad, or
less influential, they cut the numbers. Remember
what they were saying about Ron Paul's supporters?
That they were kids on the internet. They've
been caught downplaying protest numbers as well,
trying to make protesters look like fringe nut
cases. So meh, I take everything the big Media
sources in the US say with a grain of salt. And
even foreign sources can have an agenda. It's a
shame that the media isn't truly objective
anymore. They're just supposed to report the
facts. There aren't any more Walter Cronkites, may
he rest in peace.

Annie

Norton, Steve wrote:
Pat,

I have tried to find info on the 21 FDA scientists but have only come up with
9.

WASHINGTON -- A group of scientists at the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration on Wednesday sent a letter to President-elect Barack Obama's
transition team pleading with him to restructure the agency, saying managers
have ordered, intimidated and coerced scientists to manipulate data in
violation of the law.

The nine scientists, whose names have been provided to the transition team
and to some members of Congress, say the FDA is a fundamentally broken
agency and describe it as place where honest employees committed to integrity
can't act without fear of reprisal.

I was never able to verify that any one of them lost their job. Can your
source provide any substantiating info on the claim below? If not, maybe it
has not been reported because there is no story.

- Steve N

Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote:

=
This was a post from the BoneSmart forum:

Betty Martini is was an FDA doctor for 17 years, and now is a
whistleblower as well.
Here is her contact info.she usually sends very thorough replies to
questions. Her main concern now is getting aspartame off the market,
because it has been proven to cause M.S., ALS, and other deadly
diseases, but she is very knowledgeable on Pfizer drugs as well.

Aspartame Toxicity Center:
http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame __

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RE: CSConcentrated silver?

Interesting. I wonder if the coffee warmer would be hot enough to use
for the method detailed by ceramicsystems? Maybe put an insulating layer
on the outside of the pot?

-  Steve N

 

From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?

 

I sent this message,I thought to the silver list, but it only went to
Scott Adams.

I have gmail and it does that every now and then.
My parent email is comcast and they block the silver list most of the
time--but not all so I guess I'll have to use more diligence to see
where my messages are going. Here it is again:



From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:53 PM
To: msad...@msadams.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?

I have concentrated EIS by putting it in a coffee carafe and putting it
on the coffee maker hot plate.
When it steams off about half of the water I refill it and repeat until
the solution turns a dark gold to brown appearance. 
At that point if you add the same amount of distilled water as you
reduced the solution will turn back to clear. So I would think you could
reduce even farther and reconstitute it with distilled water from any
concentration if you keep in mind the amount you removed.

The buzz word in this is distilled as I wouldn't recommend using tap
water but it might not make a difference.
An interesting phenomenon here is that the color doesn't seem to
indicate larger particle size as adding the original amount of distilled
water returns it to clear.

Dave




On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Scott Adams msad...@msadams.com
wrote:

Thanks Dave! I noticed you didn't also send this to the list. Was that
an oversight?

 



From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:53 PM
To: msad...@msadams.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?

I have concentrated EIS by putting it in a coffee carafe and
putting it on the coffee maker hot plate.
When it steams off about half of the water I refill it and
repeat until the solution turns a dark gold to brown appearance. 
At that point if you add the same amount of distilled water as
you reduced the solution will turn back to clear. So I would think you
could reduce even farther and reconstitute it with distilled water from
any concentration if you keep in mind the amount you removed.

The buzz word in this is distilled as I wouldn't recommend
using tap water but it might not make a difference.
An interesting phenomenon here is that the color doesn't seem to
indicate larger particle size as adding the original amount of distilled
water returns it to clear.

Dave

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Scott Adams
msad...@msadams.com wrote:

My wife asked me the following and I would like to hear what
others say...

Can you make the silver concentrated, so I can take it traveling
, put drops
in a cup of water and drink it diluted that way?


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Re: CSexpert witness medicolegal reports


Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote:
Hi folks, I'm Sunny and I'm new to this list.   I've been taking 
colloidal silver bought in Wholefoods, which comes from a company 
called Genesis Today, for a while, just spraying it into my mouth as I 
originally got it for my gum problems.  Now I'm seeing the potential 
for a whole lot more...
 
We've been thinking about buying a colloidal silver generator and I've 
gotten really confused with all the conflicting information around.
I'm reading material about how ppm isn't important but particle 
surface area is,
Effectiveness is directly related to surface area. However for a 
specific concentration of silver, surface area is inversely proportional 
to size. That is, if you half the size of the particles, you end up with 
twice the area, and 4 times the number of particles. So size does 
matter, generally the smaller the better, both because it increases the 
surface area, and make the more available to more places. If they are 
too big they can't even get out of the stomach.
about the difference between ionic silver v real colloidal, how 
electrolysis isn't the best way to make it [our machine does not use 
Electrolysis' is the marketing ploy]
Ionic and colloidal have somewhat different effects, and it is best to 
have both.  Electrolysis provides a ratio which is near optimum for the 
ionic vs colloidal portion. We call this EIS for electrolytically 
isolated silver.
  how you have to use distilled water from a proper distiller rather 
than buying it in the store in a bottle. 
It is important to use quality distilled water. Some bottled water is 
excellent, some very poor.  An easy conductivity measurement can tell 
the difference. Usually, except for some store brands like Walmart who 
change suppliers on a moment's notice, once you find a quality supplier, 
they will continue being a quality supplier.
 How if the instructions tell you you must use a blue or brown bottle 
then the silver isn't real colloidal.   How ionic silver becomes 
silver chloride and doesn't last in the body.

For good information read http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html

Good quality EIS does not need blue or brown bottles.  Ionic silver 
becomes silver chloride in the stomach, is slowly absorbed into the 
blood stream and then plates out on the silver particles already in the 
blood. They also can form an ammonium salt of silver or complex with a 
protein.
 
Most of the manufacturers of silver generators have marketing speak 
that says 'don't believe what other people tell you ' and many of them 
are offering conflicting data, most of which is so technical that I 
can't get my head round it.
Here you will find that the two major suppliers of the machines not only 
say that the other one's machines are good, but will also report 
accurately on others as well. That is because they are really interested 
in giving you the control of your own health than in making money.
 
I feel like one of those cartoon characters with lots of question and 
exclamation marks going round in circles!!! ;-)

You should be able to get good reliable and accurate answers here.
 
So, I'm thinking that there are probably people on this list who have 
are making and have taken homemade CS for various ailments and it has 
worked.  So, if that's you, I'd love to hear about what generator 
you're using and why you recommend it.   Please help deconfuse us...

Probably a few hundred.
 
We want to make colloidal silver in bulk to give away to friends and 
family and also to market through physical groups, meeting people, 
talking about it..
That is doable.  For bulk I prefer a flow through process, although most 
others here run batch mode.
 
We don't have healthcare and are on a very limited income so we're 
passionate about finding the right combination of low cost health 
solutions that will keep us in wellness...and thinking that this 
passion will eventually provide an income for us...
Generally with the right supplements and EIS you shouldn't need much 
health care. I virtually never see a doctor, only seen one in 15 years 
for some stitches.
 
Currently we use MMS [recommended by the executive director of a VA 
hospital!] which we can also make at home very cheaply but haven't 
yet... and colloidal silver as I described above

Wow, that is a surprise.  I make my own MMS from sodium chlorite.
 
My husband has had problems with his digestive system, ulcers at age 
7, diverticulosis, and IBS at times of stress. I have respiratory 
weakness... I am beginning to see some kind of genetic propensity for 
specific types of ill-health, and we want to prevent these before they 
happen.
 
Well, there are a number of things you can do, other than EIS. But we 
can cover them one by one.



All advice welcome... but specifically, we need some input on CS and 
CS generators...
I recommend the silver puppy or silver gen units.  Both suppliers are on 
this list and are very honest.


Marshall
 
big smiles

sunny

 


*/A

RE: CSConcentrated silver?

Interesting. I wonder if the coffee warmer would be hot enough to use
for the method detailed by ceramicsystems? Maybe put an insulating layer
on the outside of the pot?

-  Steve N



From: Dave Darrin [mailto:davedar...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 12:53 PM
To: msad...@msadams.com
Subject: Re: CSConcentrated silver?

I have concentrated EIS by putting it in a coffee carafe and putting it
on the coffee maker hot plate.
When it steams off about half of the water I refill it and repeat until
the solution turns a dark gold to brown appearance. 
At that point if you add the same amount of distilled water as you
reduced the solution will turn back to clear. So I would think you could
reduce even farther and reconstitute it with distilled water from any
concentration if you keep in mind the amount you removed.

The buzz word in this is distilled as I wouldn't recommend using tap
water but it might not make a difference.
An interesting phenomenon here is that the color doesn't seem to
indicate larger particle size as adding the original amount of distilled
water returns it to clear.

Dave

RE: CSsilver citrate -- Concentrated silver?

Quite an interesting theory, Marshall. If it works, the generation time
is quite fast even using 9 volt batteries.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 1:36 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSsilver citrate -- Concentrated silver?

Norton, Steve wrote:
 Dick and Scott,

 I hope you don't mind me combining both of your questions into one
response since there is an overlap in subject matter.

 It is generally accepted that you cannot make a stable EIS solution
above 30 ppm. However, there is a method claimed to be able to make EIS
as high as 500 ppm. It will of course be a dark color but it is also
claimed that when sufficiently diluted, it will return to a light yellow
color.( I would assume that at that point you could add a little H2O2 to
produce a clear solution.) 
 See:

 http://www.silverceramicsystems.com/CS16-5-3.html
 Recent Success at Concentrated CS Production  
 Points Up Requirement of Very Pure, Distilled Water

That fellow used to be a member of this list.  We all assisted him ( 
made suggestions ) on his silver impregnated filtering clay.  Anyway, 
the page is very interesting.  First from reading it it appears that one

could use high quality distilled water for both the double boiler and 
colloid water.  Realizing that this is for areas where labor is cheap, 
and equipment expensive, there are a number of ways one could reduce the

energy requirements, water requirements and labor requirements.

1. Use a timer to switch polarity as I presently do with my flow through

system
2. Use a thermistor and temperature controller to maintain the desired 
temperature of the colloid without using a double boiler arrangement (a 
thermometer and a temperature controlled heating base could do it.)

That said, I think I do understand what is happening.  Our limit of 20 
ppm, which includes the ionic silver primarily, is set by the solubility

of the ionic silver at room temperature.  Since that arrangement is 
heating the solution then two things happen.  First the solubility of 
the silver oxide goes up significantly, from about 13 ppm to over 50 
ppm.   In addition the Browning movement will increase tremendously.  
Now if you increase the ion concentration, the probability of a 
collision between oxide or hydroxide silver ions increases by the 
square, so that alone should cause the colloidal portion to go up by a 
factor of about 20 to 25, setting the limit to about 400 to 500 ppm. The

increase in Browning movement adds to this ability, especially of an ion

and colloidal particle banging into each other.  Not limiting the 
current also adds to the particle size thereby allowing a higher silver 
concentration.

Now the colloid turns red. That indicates that the particle size of the 
colloid is much higher than optimum.  Thus far it all makes pretty good 
sense.  However they say that if you dilute it down to 20 ppm or so, it 
returns back to a light yellow, indicating small near optimum particle 
size.  That does not make sense to me.

I only  have one theory as to how that is even possible.  This is just a

theory, and it could well be very very wrong.  At the increased 
concentration and temperature, we end up with silver oxide and/or silver

hydroxide ions colliding with silver particles, and they stick 
together. Once this happens, another silver particle can collide with 
the ion stuck to the first silver particle, making two particle stuck 
together with an oxygen or hydroxyl ion. This produces what appears to 
be a larger silver particle, although it is really made up of smaller 
particles stuck together by an oxygen or hydroxyl ions.  Think of a 
popcorn ball, where the popcorn is the silver particles, and the sugar 
is the oxygen or hydroxide ions.  Now, this is a stable arrangement, 
since the solution is at the solubility limit of silver 
oxide/hydroxide.  However if you dilute it, the silver oxide/hydroxide 
glue dissolves back into the water, unglueing the silver particles, 
which are now small.  Thus it will reconstitute back to good, but not 
necessarily excellent EIS equivalent.

I have GOT to try this.  This could be one of the most exciting 
discoveries in this field in years.

Marshall

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RE: CSAspartame

I found that information on an anti-aspartame site so I figured it was not just 
reflecting the MSM point of view.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: slickpic...@cox.net [mailto:slickpic...@cox.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:37 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Annie B Smythe
Subject: Re: CSAspartame

And if you look into Walter's background, you'll find he had more of an agenda 
than anyone knew at the time.

 Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com wrote: 

=
But 9 scientists sounds so much less terrible than 
21 scientists doesn't it? US media sources are 
notorious for fiddling with numbers. If you read 
three different sources they can and have printed 
stories with three conflicting sets of numbers. I 
don't trust any of the US MSM numbers. Any time 
they want to make a situation seem less bad, or 
less influential, they cut the numbers. Remember 
what they were saying about Ron Paul's supporters? 
That they were kids on the internet. They've 
been caught downplaying protest numbers as well, 
trying to make protesters look like fringe nut 
cases. So meh, I take everything the big Media 
sources in the US say with a grain of salt. And 
even foreign sources can have an agenda. It's a 
shame that the media isn't truly objective 
anymore. They're just supposed to report the 
facts. There aren't any more Walter Cronkites, may 
he rest in peace.

Annie

Norton, Steve wrote:
 Pat,

 I have tried to find info on the 21 FDA scientists but have only come up with 
 9.  

  WASHINGTON -- A group of scientists at the U.S. Food and Drug 
 Administration on Wednesday sent a letter to President-elect Barack Obama's 
 transition team pleading with him to restructure the agency, saying managers 
 have ordered, intimidated and coerced scientists to manipulate data in 
 violation of the law.

 The nine scientists, whose names have been provided to the transition team 
 and to some members of Congress, say the FDA is a fundamentally broken 
 agency and describe it as place where honest employees committed to integrity 
 can't act without fear of reprisal.

 I was never able to verify that any one of them lost their job. Can your 
 source provide any substantiating info on the claim below? If not, maybe it 
 has not been reported because there is no story.

  - Steve N

  Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote:

 =
 This was a post from the BoneSmart forum:

 I don't know how much of U.S. issues you
 follow, but last January, as soon as Obama took office, he received a
 letter from 21 FDA scientists asking him to look into the corruption.
 Weeks later the FDA laid them all off, and I don't know if they ever
 got their jobs back. It became a big whistle blowers case after.

 Betty Martini is was an FDA doctor for 17 years, and now is a 
 whistleblower as well.
 Here is her contact info.she usually sends very thorough replies to
 questions. Her main concern now is getting aspartame off the market,
 because it has been proven to cause M.S., ALS, and other deadly
 diseases, but she is very knowledgeable on Pfizer drugs as well.

 Dr. Betty Martini, D.Hum.
 Founder, Mission Possible World Health International
 9270 River Club Parkway
 Duluth, Georgia 30097
 770-242-2599
 E-Mail: betty...@mindspring.com
 http://www.wpwhi.com
 http://www.whno.net
 http://www.dorway.com

 Aspartame Toxicity Center: 
 http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame  __

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Re: CSAspartame


Hi Steve,

My comments were mainly directed at the reports by 
MSM of only 9 scientists instead of 21.


We've seen what they do with CS. I figure they 
won't hesitate to manipulate all other information 
as well.



Annie


Norton, Steve wrote:

I found that information on an anti-aspartame site so I figured it was not just 
reflecting the MSM point of view.
 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: slickpic...@cox.net [mailto:slickpic...@cox.net] 
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 2:37 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: Annie B Smythe
Subject: Re: CSAspartame

And if you look into Walter's background, you'll find he had more of an agenda 
than anyone knew at the time.


 Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.com wrote: 


=
But 9 scientists sounds so much less terrible than 
21 scientists doesn't it? US media sources are 
notorious for fiddling with numbers. If you read 
three different sources they can and have printed 
stories with three conflicting sets of numbers. I 
don't trust any of the US MSM numbers. Any time 
they want to make a situation seem less bad, or 
less influential, they cut the numbers. Remember 
what they were saying about Ron Paul's supporters? 
That they were kids on the internet. They've 
been caught downplaying protest numbers as well, 
trying to make protesters look like fringe nut 
cases. So meh, I take everything the big Media 
sources in the US say with a grain of salt. And 
even foreign sources can have an agenda. It's a 
shame that the media isn't truly objective 
anymore. They're just supposed to report the 
facts. There aren't any more Walter Cronkites, may 
he rest in peace.


Annie

Norton, Steve wrote:

Pat,

I have tried to find info on the 21 FDA scientists but have only come up with 9.  


 WASHINGTON -- A group of scientists at the U.S. Food and Drug Administration 
on Wednesday sent a letter to President-elect Barack Obama's transition team 
pleading with him to restructure the agency, saying managers have ordered, 
intimidated and coerced scientists to manipulate data in violation of the law.

The nine scientists, whose names have been provided to the transition team and to some members 
of Congress, say the FDA is a fundamentally broken agency and describe it as place 
where honest employees committed to integrity can't act without fear of reprisal.

I was never able to verify that any one of them lost their job. Can your source 
provide any substantiating info on the claim below? If not, maybe it has not 
been reported because there is no story.

 - Steve N





 Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote:

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This was a post from the BoneSmart forum:


I don't know how much of U.S. issues you
follow, but last January, as soon as Obama took office, he received a
letter from 21 FDA scientists asking him to look into the corruption.
Weeks later the FDA laid them all off, and I don't know if they ever
got their jobs back. It became a big whistle blowers case after.

Betty Martini is was an FDA doctor for 17 years, and now is a 
whistleblower as well.

Here is her contact info.she usually sends very thorough replies to
questions. Her main concern now is getting aspartame off the market,
because it has been proven to cause M.S., ALS, and other deadly
diseases, but she is very knowledgeable on Pfizer drugs as well.

Dr. Betty Martini, D.Hum.
Founder, Mission Possible World Health International
9270 River Club Parkway
Duluth, Georgia 30097
770-242-2599
E-Mail: betty...@mindspring.com
http://www.wpwhi.com
http://www.whno.net
http://www.dorway.com

Aspartame Toxicity Center: 
http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame  __






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