CSTo Mike M... CMO?

[M. G. Devour]

Dear Mike,

I've started wondering... Your extreme sensitivities are associated 
with an immune response in some way, right?

If that's so, then could the immune moderating effects of Cetyl-
Myristoleate (CMO) be of possible interest to you? From what I've read 
(mostly here on the list) it sort of acts like a reset button on hyper-
reactivity associated with many autoimmune diseases. Something that 
might apply to your situation?

Maybe somebody has a copy of some of Brooks' posts on CMO handy, to 
tide us over 'til you can search the new archives? grin

Be well!

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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CSMike Mike

[M. G. Devour]

Hi gang!

It's been kinda amusing me since Mike Monett rejoined us. It was 
actually when he was here before that I started to consistently sign 
all of my posts as Mike D. so as to reduce the possibility of 
confusion.

A few of you have picked up on that already and have started referring 
to us with our initials, but a lot of posts this week have been 
addressed only to 'Mike.' It's not been hard to figure out who's being 
addressed from the context, of course, but it's been strange to see 
'my' name plastered all over the place again. grin

Just sayin'. LOL!

Hi Mike!! waves

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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Re: CSRe: WHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!

[Ode Coyote]

  Currently, I don't know but he has been on and off.
We've also had phone and other email contact.

ode


At 06:39 AM 2/2/2010 -0800, you wrote:
Ode -- your phrasing suggests that Frank is a current member of this 
group.  I was unaware of that -- is it so?

MA


From: Ode Coyote mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netodecoy...@windstream.net

All that said, Frank has been VERY helpful where it doesn't reveal his 
trade secrets, his contributions as far as they can go with that 
limitation are honest and accurate and his is the best lab going.

Franks contributions are quite valuable.
If there is anyone that knows what he's talking about, that would be 
Frank...but there are some things he just won't talk about.

People have a right to keep their Trade Secrets safe.
People have a right to remain silent.
[Ever notice how quiet he gets when EIS and Hydrogen Peroxide discussions 
arise?]



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Re: CSSilver nanoparticles

[Ode Coyote]

  The EPA [like the FDA] doesn't have the money to do studies that meet 
the standards they demand, is charged with knowing everything but can't and 
protecting the most useless of life forms even if they are a human 
hazard  and they want industry to foot the bill [ or else ]


In the 60s/70s the Canadian version of the EPA did a study on industrial 
silver waste discharge into streams and found it to be reasonably harmless 
to fish and fowl, quickly disbursed and isolated as a virtually inert soil 
component. It affected certain mollusks near the discharge pipe, somewhat.
 However, Nano Silver with a direct line to a waste treatment plant or 
septic system could sterilize it...but nobody knows if or how much.
 And Nano Metals are a very new technology that don't behave like 
normal metals.


Doesn't seem like it would be hard to find out, but getting acceptable 
proof often goes beyond reason into absolutes...and no business wants to 
foot the bill to take the risk of proving itself out of business [or 
competitors INTO busness] no matter how small that risk is.


So, in the land of bureaucratic absolutes and very pointy 
CYA  fingers...nothing happens but a war of words and limits based on 
ignorance.


ode


At 07:45 AM 2/2/2010 -0800, you wrote:

Nanosilver Migrates from Treated Fabric During Washing
Posted by: 
http://articles.mercola.com/members/Dr.-Mercola/default.aspxDr. Mercola

February 02 2010 | 9,045 views



Silver nanoparticles used as antimicrobials in fabric can leach out of 
clothes as they are being washed. One brand lost over half of its silver 
content from the fabric with just two washings.


A group of scientists tested how well silver nanoparticles stayed in 
treated fabrics under conditions similar to a washing machine. They 
considered mechanical stress and chemical factors such as bleaches, pH and 
surfactants.


First, they measured the silver content of several different brands and 
types of fabrics that used silver nanoparticles.


They then washed the fabrics in detergent, later adding steel balls to 
simulate mechanical stress that would be similar to normal washing 
conditions. Some of the fabrics were also treated with bleaching agents 
during washing.


When the fabrics were washed in water with detergent only, the silver 
generally stayed in the fabrics. However, several fabrics released silver 
quite readily once the steel balls were added to mimic mechanical actions 
of the washing machine.


Of the seven nanoparticle fabrics subjected to mechanical stress, four 
lost roughly 20 percent to 35 percent of their silver with the first wash.



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Re: CSNow: Mold, Was: Pinging Mike

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

But doesn't all this mean that mold, whether we like it or not, is always going 
to be with us?  I presume it must have some function in the natural order of 
things or it would not be here - like bacteria, which are essential to life.  I 
don't know if mold comes into this category, but I do know that some fungii are 
absolutely essential to plant life.  Does it not boil down to our ability to 
deal with it i.e. whether our systems are functioning correctly or not?  I 
myself have never had a problem with it as far as I know.  If I find any in the 
shower I just spray it with anti mold stuff.  dee

On 2 Feb 2010, at 20:39, Mike Monett wrote:

 
 
  Hi MaryAnn,
 
   
  part.
 
  The spores continue to germinate, and the hyphae start  growing back
  immediately.
 
  In addition,  new  spores continually arrive. If they  are  the same
  kind of  mold,  they  will probably start  growing.  If  they  are a
  different kind,  they  may not survive the  toxins  produced  by the
  existing mold.  This  is  the effect that led  to  the  discovery of
  penicillin by Fleming in 1928, as well as Tyndall in  1875, Duchesne
  in 1897, and Picado between 1915 and 1927.
 
   


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Re: CSNanosilver migrates...

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Can you show me the research on this then John, as I would like to have it to 
hand to show sceptics?  I think the rest of what you said i.e about the 
pharmaceutical companies, was a repeat of what I said anyway, although I would 
question that there aren't *any* people who are allergic to silver, while 
accepting that you said that *you* don't know of any.  

As far as Mercola goes, I think *anyone* who has had such a big impact on the 
body of people who you and I despise, *should* be supported, even though he may 
not be in agreement with *all* things.  Perhaps it might be a good idea to 
write to him and put him right about silver, eh? dee

On 2 Feb 2010, at 20:54, John E. Stevens wrote:

 Dorothy:
 
 I don't think I'm assuming much of anything.  History tells me that there 
 were no mutated fish or frogs until King Pharma came into existence within 
 the last 100 years.  Silver, from my research, has done nothing to harm 
 anything.  


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Re: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Hi Mike, you will have realised by now that I am no techie, so can you tell me 
if by sublingual, you mean we get the best saturation of ions through the skin 
by holding the solution in the mouth?  I know when I get a swollen gland in my 
cheek, if I hold the CS there for a few minutes before swallowing, the swelling 
goes down in under half a minute.  thanks.  dee

On 2 Feb 2010, at 22:08, Mike Monett wrote:

 Frank used  an ion selective probe to see if there  was  any Ionic
 Silver in the blood after ingesting EIS. He found none.
 
   
  However, they  first  go   through   the  liver,  which  has various
  processes to filter out harmful substances. It is possible the liver
  also removes  the  silver  ions.   This  is  a  serious  problem for
  pharmaceuticals, which is why sublingual absorption is used whenever
  possible. 


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Fw: CSCMO Comment. . . . .Brooks Bradley

[sms]

 
This one?
Sasha
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Brooks Bradley
Date: 11/16/09 09:34:55
To: Silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSCMO Comment
 
Recently, there appeared a comment by one list member, that his CMO protocol
did not seem to be improving his arthritis challenge. While is is true
(based upon our researches) that the standard (10 day regime) does evince
noticeable improvement in a matter of as little as 5 days.the AVERAGE
time-span (in our experiments) revealed to be about 19 days from the start
of the protocolfor definite, subjectively recognized, improvement to
manifest. This was the case, even if the protocol was stopped at the tenth
day. Lipase does, indeed, enhance and accelerate the beneficial effects of
CMO. Incidentally, it also improves greatly, the proper digestion of a
complete litany of fats. 
It may be of interest to reveal that our best results came from using about
25 mg of lipase 
per administration of each dose of CMO. 
One final comment of possible value; we have found CMO to be a SPLENDID
immune system modulator. The general, pain-free, mobility of a large
majority of our older 
(65 and over) volunteersespecially in improved
flexibility-manifested in nearly all of their afflicted articulating
joints (excepting fingers expressing Heberden's and Bouchard's nodes). The
thickened calcium deposits intruding into the capsule and surrounding area
seem to present an effect not fully addressed by our existing CMO protocols.
However, SOME of the Heberden's/Bouchard's cases DID, in fact, react with
positive improvement. 
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CSBrooks Bradley CMO Protocol

[sms]

CMO PROTOCOL
Dear David,
Abstracts of the general protocol should be
found in the archives. However, I will attempt,
from memory, to summarize the basic protocol. It
may be used in conjunction with Glucosamine (2
to 4 grams daily)X Chondritin (1 to 2 grams daily),
or as a stand-alone protocol for both osteo and
Rheumatoid arthritic insults of the articulating
joints in experimental research projects.
Obtain Cetyl Myristloeate (CMO) from a reliable
source (in bulk or in pre-made 250 mg capsules
(no need to be exact) or nearly so.
The dosage employed was 6 capsules daily, divided
into three separate doses (taken during the
waking hours). The only proviso being that, since
CMO is a tallow-based waxy fat derivative, it is
subject to compromise (reduction of efficacy)
when ingested within one to two hours of consuming
high fat substances (e.g. butter, fat containing
meats, etc.). Be sure to ingest 10 ounces of plain
water, with each dosage taken. Actually, it would
be advisable to greatly restrict animal fat intake
during the entire 10 day protocol.
The ten day protocol (requires 60 capsules) has
demonstrated to be quite successful in about 90%
of our volunteer cases, yielding a 75% reduction
in presenting symptoms as a minimum. A majority
of all cases achieved, essentially, total remission
as the subjects reported a complete absence
of pain upon joint articulation within 10 days of
protocol conclusion.
One of the most encouraging results of this protocol
resulted from the arresting of further joint
deterioration.
 

Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives

[Marshall Dudley]

Anyone who makes their own MMS can easily make those as well by mixing 
the sodium chlorite and citric acid powders and placing them into a 
permeable bag.


Marshall

poast wrote:

Hello Mike,

If you search on the company Odor Science you should find some packets that
are good for a 30 day time release of ClO2.  They are activated by humidity
in the room.  I believe it takes about 40% to get them working, but I am not
sure what the exact number is.

A creative use involves the shower area.  When you take a shower, the
humidity in the bathroom goes up.  This rise in humidity activates the
packet and any opportunistic mold and mildew is greated with ClO2 gas that
quickly kills it.  Once the shower is over and the humidity is removed from
the room, the packet shuts off.

Tom

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Monett mi...@pstca.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives


  

   Sorry, I  meant  chlorine  dioxide.   I  get  them  mixed  up. The
   University of  Oklahoma Libraries has used chlorine  dioxide  as a
   treatment for  mold  on books since 1991. I keep a  hanger  with a
   packet of this in my bathroom all the time. It helped when  we had
   musty odors in the spare bedroom. (We found rotten wood  under the
   windows when we replaced them last summer.)

  Pat

  Pat,

  Thanks very much for mentioning this. Another member  also mentioned
  chlorine dioxide in a private email, but my impression this was only
  used in  large-scale industrial applications  where  the appropriate
  safeguards were employed.

  Your mention  of  the  word  packets did  the  trick.  You  got my
  attention, and  I started googling to see if this has any  effect on
  spores.

  One of  the first hits was a paper titled Removing Mold  from Books
  and Papers, at





http://howtodothingsright.com/blog/2009/09/removing-mold-from-books-and-pap
ers/
  

  Sure enough, it solved the problem.

  This is  interesting.  I'll see if I can find some  packets  and try
  them. Thanks  to  you and my private emailer, you may  have  come up
  with an easy solution that I can implement right away.

  Thanks!

  Mike M.


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Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth

[Dan Nave]

What does TCM theory say about male pattern baldness?

Is it considered to be a deficiency or excess condition, or just
something that you live with - like 2 arms, 2 legs, one head, etc?

Dan

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Vigilius Haufniensis
thehatefuln...@comcast.net wrote:
 bones and teeth are supported by foundational essence, according to
 traditional chinese medicine theory.  hair is supported by foundational
 essence and blood.


 - Original Message - From: sms s...@emotap.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:37 AM
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth


 Right!  According to the article below they prevent and reverse bone loss.
 Did you know?

 http://www.osteopenia3.com/Osteopenia-dried-plums.html

 While the article is long it is well worth the read. Here is an excerpt
 that
 may peak your interest:

 SNIP . . . . .Aside from existing drug therapies, certain lifestyle and
 nutritional factors are known to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. Among
 nutritional factors, recent observations suggest that dried plum, or
 prunes
 (Prunus domestica L.) is the most effective fruit in both preventing and
 reversing bone loss. 
 Sasha
 --- From: Del
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

 That's not the only thing they increase!
 Del
 -- From: Norton, Steve
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

 Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH.
 Steve N



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Re: CSNow: Mold, Was: Pinging Mike

[Marshall Dudley]

Mixing silver with paint or caulk should help, using diamotacious earth 
will not.


Marshall

Annie B Smythe wrote:
Mike, would Dimotaceous earth work on mold? I know it's good for lots 
of things but don't remember seeing anything about mold.


If you use a silver solution with small enough particles to paint the 
caulking, would that work? I'm wondering if DMSO would make it sink in 
or dissolve the caulking?  Or maybe stripping the caulking, mixing 
silver powder with the new caulking and recaulk with the silver 
mixture? Or maybe copper?



Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Mike Monett wrote:

   So, Mike.  I  live  in the south -  where  heat  and  moisture are
   common, especially  in the summer. At least a  couple  times every
   summer, I find a mold patch or two on my shower curtain,  where it
   folds together  when  the  shower is not in use.  I  keep  a spray
   bottle of bleach right in the shower area so I can spray  these as
   soon as  I  spot them, then I rinse the area with  clean  water as
   soon as  the mold disappears from the shower  curtain.  The shower
   curtain, incidentally,  is vinyl. Are you saying that I when  I do
   this, I haven't killed the mold? That the spores remain  alive? If
   so, then where are they? MA

  Hi MaryAnn,

  Boy, this  is  the perfect example of how  the  list  archives would
  help. I  posted  a detailed analysis of mold  growth  long  ago, and
  spent considerable time finding the links with the best  pictures to
  illustrate the  various components. All I would have to  do  is find
  the post,  which is easy in google or mail-archive, check  the links
  to make  sure they are still valid, and post the link  with  a brief
  message. It is starting to look like that might be possible again.

  In the  meantime,  I also keep a squeeze bottle with  bleach  in the
  shower, and spray it on the mold when it starts becoming noticeable.

  I don't bother rinsing, but let the bleach dry into  crystals. These
  wash away  the  next time I take a shower. But  like  you,  the mold
  always comes back.

  There are  three  components  to mold:  the  invisible  spores which
  propagate the  plant,  the  visible part that  you  can  see  on the
  surface, and a hidden part called the hyphae, which you cannot see.

  The hyphae  is buried in whatever the mold is growing  on,  like the
  root of a tree.

  Bleach will  kill the visible part on the surface, but as  far  as I
  can tell,  it has no effect on the spores. The channels made  by the
  hyphae are  too small for bleach to penetrate, so it can't  kill the
  root portion.

  So when  you  apply bleach to a surface, you only  kill  the visible
  part.

  The spores continue to germinate, and the hyphae start  growing back
  immediately.

  In addition,  new  spores continually arrive. If they  are  the same
  kind of  mold,  they  will probably start  growing.  If  they  are a
  different kind,  they  may not survive the  toxins  produced  by the
  existing mold.  This  is  the effect that led  to  the  discovery of
  penicillin by Fleming in 1928, as well as Tyndall in  1875, Duchesne
  in 1897, and Picado between 1915 and 1927.

  The mold coats the spores with toxins to destroy any competition. We
  are just the collateral damage in their biological warfare.

  However, I  am  excited  by the recent post by  Pat  and  my private
  emailer concerning  chlorine  dioxide.  If  this  works  as  well to
  inhibit mold  as  it  does for libraries, it  might  be  the perfect
  solution for people with severe mold allergies.

  But it  would  have to be a multiple approach.  Put  the  packets in
  various rooms  to kill the spores, and make a closet  into  a sealed
  chamber to  hang  bedding.   Hopefully   the  chlorine  dioxide will
  penetrate the fabric and kill the spores. I'm trying to  locate some
  right now, and will report the results to the list.

  More news later,

  Mike M.


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Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth

[John E. Stevens]

Who's TCM?

John

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does TCM theory say about male pattern baldness?

 Is it considered to be a deficiency or excess condition, or just
 something that you live with - like 2 arms, 2 legs, one head, etc?

 Dan

 On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Vigilius Haufniensis
 thehatefuln...@comcast.net wrote:
  bones and teeth are supported by foundational essence, according to
  traditional chinese medicine theory.  hair is supported by foundational
  essence and blood.
 
 
  - Original Message - From: sms s...@emotap.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:37 AM
  Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth
 
 
  Right!  According to the article below they prevent and reverse bone
 loss.
  Did you know?
 
  http://www.osteopenia3.com/Osteopenia-dried-plums.html
 
  While the article is long it is well worth the read. Here is an excerpt
  that
  may peak your interest:
 
  SNIP . . . . .Aside from existing drug therapies, certain lifestyle
 and
  nutritional factors are known to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. Among
  nutritional factors, recent observations suggest that dried plum, or
  prunes
  (Prunus domestica L.) is the most effective fruit in both preventing and
  reversing bone loss. 
  Sasha
  --- From: Del
  Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?
 
  That's not the only thing they increase!
  Del
  -- From: Norton, Steve
  Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?
 
  Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH.
  Steve N
 
 
 
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Re: CSNanosilver Migrates from Treated Fabric During Washing

[Dan Nave]

Sounds like a poor test method.

Why not wash the items with clothes rather than with steel balls?...

Dan

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:00 AM, nessie nes...@shaw.ca wrote:
 Interesting article..



 http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/02/02/nanosilver-migrates-from-treated-fabric-during-washing.aspx

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Re: FW: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!

[Marshall Dudley]

There is another problem as well.  The chemistry of silver indicates 
that any silver ions in the blood will quickly plate out on any silver 
particles in the blood, which do not register as ions.  He does not 
confirm that the ions do not make it into the blood, we know from those 
who get argyria from silver compounds they do, but rather that when 
taken with colloidal particles are quickly plated out on the particles 
which are in the blood.


Marshall

Mike Monett wrote:

   Frank used  an ion selective probe to see if there  was  any Ionic
   Silver in the blood after ingesting EIS. He found none.

  I remember  that post. Frank was being very disingenuous. He  buys a
  lot of expensive lab equipment and certainly knows  the capabilities
  and limitations of each measurement.

  The fundamental limitation in an ion selective probe is interference
  from other ions. Here is a description:
  
  Interferences

  The most serious problem limiting use of ion-selective electrodes is
  interference  from   other,   undesired,   ions.   No  ion-selective
  electrodes are  completely ion-specific; all are sensitive  to other
  ions having similar physical properties, to an extent  which depends
  on the  degree of similarity. Most of these  interferences  are weak
  enough to  be ignored, but in some cases the electrode  may actually
  be much  more sensitive to the interfering ion than  to  the desired
  ion, requiring  that  the   interfering   ion   be  present  only in
  relatively very low concentrations, or entirely absent. In practice,
  the relative sensitivities of each type of ion-specific electrode to
  various interfering  ions is generally known and  should  be checked
  for each case; however the precise degree of interference depends on
  many factors, preventing precise correction of readings.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_selective_electrode
  

  In the  silver  ion probe, the interference is from  the  sodium ion
  which is present in blood.

  The minimum  detectable level for silver in the probe  he  was using
  was 30 parts per billion.

  Frank did  not  say anything about the interference  or  the minimum
  detectable level.  He  led everyone to believe  the  silver  ion was
  captured by the hydrochloric acid in the stomach and  converted into
  silver chloride.

  However, this  is false. Silver chloride is soluble up to  about 800
  parts per billion. So the silver ions are still free to  be absorbed
  through the stomach into the bloodstream.

  However, they  first  go   through   the  liver,  which  has various
  processes to filter out harmful substances. It is possible the liver
  also removes  the  silver  ions.   This  is  a  serious  problem for
  pharmaceuticals, which is why sublingual absorption is used whenever
  possible. One application is nitroglycerin for heart  attacks. Speed
  is essential,  and a high concentration is necessary.  So sublingual
  is the only practical method.

  The end  result  is   Frank's   measurements   show  the  silver ion
  concentration in the bloodstream is less than 30 parts per billion.

  My calculations show the amount absorbed using sublingual absorption
  is less  than  18 parts per billion. This agrees  well  with Frank's
  measurements.

  The kinetic  kill  experiments by Steve Quinto  show  the  effect of
  silver ions  on e.coli drops of rapidly below about  1000  parts per
  billion. David has the url on his site, but I don't have  time right
  now to track it down.

  The milk  test  performed by Marvin Hacker shows  the  minimum level
  needed to  kill e.coli bacteria is around 400 parts per  billion. (I
  will supply the calculations later when I have more time):

http://www.pstca.com/silversol/testing/milk.htm

  The effect  of silver ions on viruses is not known. But  if  the ion
  concentration in  the  body is at least an order  of  magnitude less
  than required to kill bacteria, it is reasonable to assume this will
  also have little effect on the serious viruses such as Herpes Zoster
  (shingles), which is considered one of the toughest viruses to kill.

  However, a  single dose of less than 100 micrograms  of  silver ions
  taken sublingually  completely eliminates the shingles virus,  for a
  few days. This produces less than 18 ppb in the blood.

  The conclusion  is  the  silver ion  concentration  in  the  body is
  insufficient by itself to have any effect on bacteria and viruses.

  There must be some other mechanism involved.

  The only  other  mechanism  in the body  is  the  immune  system. My
  proposal is  the  immune  system  needs  the  silver  ions  for some
  purpose, such  as  making the proteins and  enzymes  needed  to kill
  bacteria and viruses.

  Only a  very  small amount is needed. This is similar  to  the trace
  amounts of selenium and cobalt 

Re: CSNanosilver migrates...

[John E. Stevens]

Dee:

Do you want the research on how drugs mutate animals, fish, etc.,?  It's
pretty widespread.  Check the archives of Dr. William Camppbell Douglass II,
Dr. Jonathan Wright, fish and game archives - especially the Great Lakes,
even smaller lakes.  I'm sure there are scientific reports on line regarding
mutated fish and frogs if you care to google it.  I've read various reports
from many different sources concerning it.
I don't think there is any sense in writing Mercola because he's on the Med
team and possibly won't listen to any lay people.  It seems like it's like
me writing the NIC (National Cancer Institute) to let them know there are
several ways to cure cancer.  They aren't listening, and as long as they
make their big bucks in treatment only, they could care less about cures.

John

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:

 Can you show me the research on this then John, as I would like to have it
 to hand to show sceptics?  I think the rest of what you said i.e about the
 pharmaceutical companies, was a repeat of what I said anyway, although I
 would question that there aren't *any* people who are allergic to silver,
 while accepting that you said that *you* don't know of any.

 As far as Mercola goes, I think *anyone* who has had such a big impact on
 the body of people who you and I despise, *should* be supported, even though
 he may not be in agreement with *all* things.  Perhaps it might be a good
 idea to write to him and put him right about silver, eh? dee

 On 2 Feb 2010, at 20:54, John E. Stevens wrote:

  Dorothy:
 
  I don't think I'm assuming much of anything.  History tells me that there
 were no mutated fish or frogs until King Pharma came into existence within
 the last 100 years.  Silver, from my research, has done nothing to harm
 anything.


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Re: CSNanosilver Migrates from Treated Fabric During Washing

[John E. Stevens]

Good one, Dan.  Smart a__ __!  Funny!

John

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sounds like a poor test method.

 Why not wash the items with clothes rather than with steel balls?...

 Dan

 On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:00 AM, nessie nes...@shaw.ca wrote:
  Interesting article..
 
 
 
 
 http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/02/02/nanosilver-migrates-from-treated-fabric-during-washing.aspx
 
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FW: CSCMO Comment. . . . .Brooks Bradley

[Norton, Steve]

Try this link for Brooks' CMO protocol.

http://www.askwaltstollmd.com/archives/arthritis/67397.html

- Steve


From: sms [mailto:s...@emotap.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:37 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Fw: CSCMO Comment. . . . .Brooks Bradley

 
This one?
Sasha
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Brooks Bradley
Date: 11/16/09 09:34:55
To: Silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSCMO Comment
 
Recently, there appeared a comment by one list member, that his CMO protocol 
did not seem to be improving his arthritis challenge. While is is true (based 
upon our researches) that the standard (10 day regime) does evince noticeable 
improvement in a matter of as little as 5 days.the AVERAGE time-span (in 
our experiments) revealed to be about 19 days from the start of the 
protocolfor definite, subjectively recognized, improvement to manifest. 
This was the case, even if the protocol was stopped at the tenth day. Lipase 
does, indeed, enhance and accelerate the beneficial effects of CMO. 
Incidentally, it also improves greatly, the proper digestion of a complete 
litany of fats. 
It may be of interest to reveal that our best results came from using about 25 
mg of lipase 
per administration of each dose of CMO. 
One final comment of possible value; we have found CMO to be a SPLENDID immune 
system modulator. The general, pain-free, mobility of a large majority of our 
older 
(65 and over) volunteersespecially in improved flexibility-manifested 
in nearly all of their afflicted articulating joints (excepting fingers 
expressing Heberden's and Bouchard's nodes). The thickened calcium deposits 
intruding into the capsule and surrounding area seem to present an effect not 
fully addressed by our existing CMO protocols. However, SOME of the 
Heberden's/Bouchard's cases DID, in fact, react with positive improvement. 
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Re: CSNanosilver Migrates from Treated Fabric During Washing

[Marshall Dudley]

I am sure it is because the tests would have been negative if they did.  
They apparently thought it through very well to be sure and get a 
positive result.  Here is what happens.  The balls contact the silver 
strands creating a shorted battery. Current flows from this battery, 
causing silver to leave into the solution by the same process as we make 
EIS.  Pretty sneaky, but no surprise to me.


Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:

Sounds like a poor test method.

Why not wash the items with clothes rather than with steel balls?...

Dan

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:00 AM, nessie nes...@shaw.ca wrote:
  

Interesting article..






 
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/02/02/nanosilver-migrates-from-treated-fabric-during-washing.aspx
  

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Re: CSTo Mike M... CMO?

[M. G. Devour]

 we had to develop mechanisms to  deal with the toxins ... we
 metabolize  the toxins on the spores,  and  probably the spores also.
 ... maybe it  is  in the liver... seems ... that a high  concentration
  of  spores can destroy the  cells that metabolize the toxins 

Okay, so that's not going to be immune-related. You'd be in a similar 
situation to somebody with type-1 diabetes (which *might* be auto-
immune related). You start losing the B cells for whatever reason, and 
once they're gone there's no getting back the ability to make insulin.

 Nothing will relieve the pain except to remove the spores from the air.

And keep it clear... sigh

 When the mechanism that normally handles the spores is  damaged, the
 body has no way to get rid of them except through the skin.  This is
 most unpleasant. I often have to take a shower several times a day. 

Have you tried FIR sauna, Mike? It's not moist, so it would be easier 
to manage the safety of the environment for you. The gain would be in 
bypassing the liver as a detox pathway. You'd sweat the stuff out.

 So I believe the various remedies that may try to mask  the symptoms
 may not  be any help. The toxins would still be free to  do  all the
 other damage 

That's why I thought of CMO. It isn't masking anything but directly 
addresses the immune hyper-sensitivity that causes autoimmune 
conditions and allergies. If you're correct that it's the permanent 
destruction of the detox pathways that renders you vulnerable, then CMO 
probably wouldn't work. If, however, there is any element of *allergy* 
to the toxins in play, then it might.

Thank you for the cautionary tale.

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSChlorine dioxide products

[poast]

Hello Sharlene,

Care has to be taken in sizing the packet to be used.  However, in general when 
the shower is running the fan is on and no odor is detectable.  I suppose it is 
possible to linger in the bathroom for an extended period of time after a 
shower and after the fan has shut off and having the door shut it may be 
possible to be exposed to a stronger concentration of chlorine dioxide.  
Usually, this is not an issue.

Tom

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sharlene Miyamura 
  To: silver-list 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: CSChlorine dioxide products


  And it won't hurt our lungs when steam from the shower hits it?

  Sharlene


  On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com wrote:

it is used as a disinfectant.and other uses 
read here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide
Donna ACS


  what do you use this product for?

  Elizabeth Williams
  belzi...@hotmail.com



   
   Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 07:11:00 -0800
   From: pattycake29...@yahoo.com
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Subject: CSChlorine dioxide products
   
   
   
   
   OdorXit sells fast release and slow release chlorine dioxide products. 
I haven't ordered from them yet.
   
   http://www.odorxit.com/?catalog
   
   I buy my chlorine dioxide hang-ups from West Marine. No one who works 
there will know what you mean though, so here's the product to ask for:
   
   http://tiny.cc/qKbmx 
   
   On the box it states that this product contains 8% sodium chlorite and 
92% other ingredients. Two bags, Protects up to 800 cu ft.
   
   Pat
   
   
   
   
   
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Re: CSNow: Mold, Was: Pinging Mike

[poast]

Hello Mike,

Interesting...

I prefer HDPE to PETE, but I am usually using stronger chemicals.

Also, I have noticed that the distilled water with higher purity in my area
comes in HDPE containers.  I haven't noticed any fouling of the water... but
I haven't really paid much attention to it either.

Tom

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Monett mi...@pstca.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: CSNow: Mold, Was: Pinging Mike


 There are poisons in the vinyl, too, that may be as dangerous as the
mold.
 
 That smell you get from purchasing a new vinyl shower curtain is
dangerous
 to your health.  Please check that out, too.

 Same problem with any new vinyl product. Cars, waterbeds, raincoats, etc.

 Other plastics may contain chemicals such as BPA, or leach plasticizer
into
 food or drinking water. It is important to know which plastics are
harmful,
 and to avoid them.

 I have stopped using dw jugs made from HDPE. They leaves a bad plasticizer
 taste in the water. PETE jugs leave no taste at all.

 Regards,

 Mike M.


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Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives

[Renee]

Whoa--Marshall, I can make my own?  I have the chlorite and citric acid. 
What would the ratio be--any idea?  For permeable bag--maybe a plastic bag
with holes punched above the mix?  

I have a closet I was going to send for a bag for, at the time thinking 
well, it's too bad MMS doesn't last long enough to do this job and now you
say just mixing the powders together will.  Regular air moisture will
slwly make the chlorine dioxide, huh?  Well, of course, since that's how
MMS works.  Just didn't think of the powders being able to do that job.

thanks!

Samala,
Renee

---Original Message---
 
Anyone who makes their own MMS can easily make those as well by mixing
the sodium chlorite and citric acid powders and placing them into a
permeable bag.
 

CShair growth Craig

[Shirley Reed]

   Congratulations, Craig!  I am also curious as to your dose.  I take 10 drops 
(at least) of 5% Lugol's every day and frequently 15 or more. At 10 drops that 
gives 650 mgs. per day.  But I am noticing that if I stay at that dose for a 
few days, then cysts begin returning, so I guess I will go to 15 drops per day 
and see what happens.  I know I have lots of things to detox from, aluminum 
being one I am very interested in getting rid of.  Loads of mercury too from 
previous dental debacles.  I consider silver fillings to be unethical in an 
absolute sense.I have also noticed that my hair grows like crazy so it 
needs cutting more often.  The lady who cuts it always remarks about how 
healthy it is.  I am glad you reported your results because extraordinary 
experiences are often challenged and it feels good to have some back-up.  :)   
pj


  


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Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives

[poast]

Hello Marshall,

Have you tried this?

And, if so, what ratios are you using?

And, how has it worked out?

Tom

- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives


 Anyone who makes their own MMS can easily make those as well by mixing
 the sodium chlorite and citric acid powders and placing them into a
 permeable bag.

 Marshall

 poast wrote:
  Hello Mike,
 
  If you search on the company Odor Science you should find some packets
that
  are good for a 30 day time release of ClO2.  They are activated by
humidity
  in the room.  I believe it takes about 40% to get them working, but I am
not
  sure what the exact number is.
 
  A creative use involves the shower area.  When you take a shower, the
  humidity in the bathroom goes up.  This rise in humidity activates the
  packet and any opportunistic mold and mildew is greated with ClO2 gas
that
  quickly kills it.  Once the shower is over and the humidity is removed
from
  the room, the packet shuts off.
 
  Tom
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Mike Monett mi...@pstca.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:23 AM
  Subject: Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives
 
 
 
 Sorry, I  meant  chlorine  dioxide.   I  get  them  mixed  up. The
 University of  Oklahoma Libraries has used chlorine  dioxide  as a
 treatment for  mold  on books since 1991. I keep a  hanger  with a
 packet of this in my bathroom all the time. It helped when  we had
 musty odors in the spare bedroom. (We found rotten wood  under the
 windows when we replaced them last summer.)
 
Pat
 
Pat,
 
Thanks very much for mentioning this. Another member  also mentioned
chlorine dioxide in a private email, but my impression this was only
used in  large-scale industrial applications  where  the appropriate
safeguards were employed.
 
Your mention  of  the  word  packets did  the  trick.  You  got my
attention, and  I started googling to see if this has any  effect on
spores.
 
One of  the first hits was a paper titled Removing Mold  from Books
and Papers, at
 
 
 
 
 
http://howtodothingsright.com/blog/2009/09/removing-mold-from-books-and-pap
  ers/
 
Sure enough, it solved the problem.
 
This is  interesting.  I'll see if I can find some  packets  and try
them. Thanks  to  you and my private emailer, you may  have  come up
with an easy solution that I can implement right away.
 
Thanks!
 
Mike M.
 
 
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CShair loss causes

[Shirley Reed]

   Since chlorine is known to replace iodine in our bodies and have a 
deleterious effect on intestinal health (where 70 to 80% of our immune systems 
are located!) this has to be suspected as part of the reason for the increase 
of the incidence of baldness in both men and women.  So filtering our water 
(shower water too )should perhaps be a priority for each of us.   Also, much of 
our water is fluoridated.  This also replaces iodine in our bodies so we may 
need to get rid of that too.   Since bromine in bread (since the early 1980's, 
commercial bread products use a bromine based dough conditioner instead of the 
formerly used iodine containing one), and bromine will also drive out iodine, 
then we may need to take action here also.  All three of these -- chlorine, 
fluoride, and bromine--- drive out our beneficial iodine, and themselves have 
very bad effects on us.  We are increasingly bombarded with these and have a 
reduced intake of iodine as well.  So the
 stage is set for poor endocrine gland function (think thyroid gland though 
they all influence each others functioning).   Well,  I didn't mean to write a 
book, but it is really terrible what is being done to people just through 
ignorance and undue reliance on authorities to regulate what we eat and drink.  
Just my opinion and none of this should be construed as advice of any kind 
since I have no certificates or degrees of any kind in nutrition or medicine.  
But I have a computer and a brain and all the above can be checked out.  It 
takes pretty strong conviction based on sufficient knowledge to take action 
regarding iodine since so many regard it as poison.  Sorry for the length of 
this post.   Best wishes, pjps  I added the 'may's and 'perhaps' after 
rereading this.  No Gestapo for me I hope.


  


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Re: CSmoon on fingernails? Agyria

[Sunwaterclear - Sunny]

Hey, I posted on facebook about CS and someone mentioned the 'blue' thing.  I 
have so many postings here, can't find it.. can anyone quickly answer this... 
HOW MUCH is TOO MUCH?

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From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, January 9, 2010 1:12:26 PM
Subject: Re: CSmoon on fingernails?

If it's ablue moon, too much colloidal silver water or contaminated colloidal 
silver salts may be being ingested.

John


On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net wrote:

Someone on this list recently commented on how his fingernails got a 'moon' on 
them when he increased his CS consumption.  Can someone on this list tell me 
what this looks like?  Thanks  Kathy



  

Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives

[Marshall Dudley]

Renee wrote:
Whoa--Marshall, I can make my own?  I have the chlorite and citric 
acid.  What would the ratio be--any idea?  For permeable bag--maybe a 
plastic bag with holes punched above the mix?


Citric acid has a molecular weight of 192 and sodium chlorite has a 
molecular weight of 90.44, and it takes equal mols of each according to 
this equation:


C6H8O7 + NaClO2 = ClO2 + NaC6H5O7 + 3H

Thus one would needs to use 2.12 times as much BY WEIGHT of sodium 
chlorite as citric acid for 100% efficiency. However I would simply put 
an excess of citric acid, like 30% sodium chlorite and 60% citric acid 
which works out to be 2.33 to 1.


Marshall
 
I have a closet I was going to send for a bag for, at the time 
thinking well, it's too bad MMS doesn't last long enough to do this 
job and now you say just mixing the powders together will.  Regular 
air moisture will slwly make the chlorine dioxide, huh?  Well, of 
course, since that's how MMS works.  Just didn't think of the powders 
being able to do that job.
 
thanks!
 
Samala,

Renee
 
/---Original Message---/
 
Anyone who makes their own MMS can easily make those as well by mixing

the sodium chlorite and citric acid powders and placing them into a
permeable bag.
 







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Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives

[Marshall Dudley]

No I have not tried it, that is from a chemical analysis deduction 
only.  I would use the ratio of 70% citric acid to 30% sodium chlorite.  
For the bag you could probably use a paper bag, or open and dump a tea 
bag. However it would be safer to use an inert bag, such as fiberglass 
or place into a ceramic pot or something as sodium chlorite is a strong 
oxidizer and if exposed to any ignition source and organic matter will 
burn exceedingly fast and hot.


Marshall


Hello Marshall,

Have you tried this?

And, if so, what ratios are you using?

And, how has it worked out?

Tom

- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives


  

Anyone who makes their own MMS can easily make those as well by mixing
the sodium chlorite and citric acid powders and placing them into a
permeable bag.

Marshall

poast wrote:


Hello Mike,

If you search on the company Odor Science you should find some packets
  

that
  

are good for a 30 day time release of ClO2.  They are activated by
  

humidity
  

in the room.  I believe it takes about 40% to get them working, but I am
  

not
  

sure what the exact number is.

A creative use involves the shower area.  When you take a shower, the
humidity in the bathroom goes up.  This rise in humidity activates the
packet and any opportunistic mold and mildew is greated with ClO2 gas
  

that
  

quickly kills it.  Once the shower is over and the humidity is removed
  

from
  

the room, the packet shuts off.

Tom

- Original Message - 
From: Mike Monett mi...@pstca.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives



  

   Sorry, I  meant  chlorine  dioxide.   I  get  them  mixed  up. The
   University of  Oklahoma Libraries has used chlorine  dioxide  as a
   treatment for  mold  on books since 1991. I keep a  hanger  with a
   packet of this in my bathroom all the time. It helped when  we had
   musty odors in the spare bedroom. (We found rotten wood  under the
   windows when we replaced them last summer.)

  Pat

  Pat,

  Thanks very much for mentioning this. Another member  also mentioned
  chlorine dioxide in a private email, but my impression this was only
  used in  large-scale industrial applications  where  the appropriate
  safeguards were employed.

  Your mention  of  the  word  packets did  the  trick.  You  got my
  attention, and  I started googling to see if this has any  effect on
  spores.

  One of  the first hits was a paper titled Removing Mold  from Books
  and Papers, at






http://howtodothingsright.com/blog/2009/09/removing-mold-from-books-and-pap
  

ers/

  

  Sure enough, it solved the problem.

  This is  interesting.  I'll see if I can find some  packets  and try
  them. Thanks  to  you and my private emailer, you may  have  come up
  with an easy solution that I can implement right away.

  Thanks!

  Mike M.


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Re: CSNow: Mold, Was: Pinging Mike

[julie martin]

i recently listened to an interview between David Wolfe and Paul Stamets that 
some may find interesting at
http://www.longevityconference.com/paul-stamets-interview-with-david-wolfe/
in this interview he discusses, fungi intelligence, mushroom forming fungi and 
how fungi helped generate soil and plant life.. Paul Stamets also has several 
you tube videos.
julie m

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:

 From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
 Subject: Re: CSNow: Mold, Was: Pinging Mike
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 6:55 AM
 But doesn't all this mean that mold,
 whether we like it or not, is always going to be with
 us?  I presume it must have some function in the
 natural order of things or it would not be here - like
 bacteria, which are essential to life.  I don't know if
 mold comes into this category, but I do know that some
 fungii are absolutely essential to plant life.  Does it
 not boil down to our ability to deal with it i.e. whether
 our systems are functioning correctly or not?  I myself
 have never had a problem with it as far as I know.  If
 I find any in the shower I just spray it with anti mold
 stuff.  dee
 






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CSWhat is silver chelate?

[Richard Goodwin]

I keep seeing references out there to silver chelate.  Anybody know what that 
is?  And would it be good for internal or external use?  And can it be made at 
home?

Dick


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CSSilver List Archives and future...

[M. G. Devour]

Hi folks!

Mike Monett wrote:
 Mike D. raised some other issues in a private email that showed  
 how the mail-archive presented some serious risks to silverlist
 members. The Reply button on each page exposes the member's email
 address to outside persons not associated with the list. They would
 easily find the archives in a google search and could attack or
 harass members at will.

 Soon afterwards, Jeff at the mail-archives posted a short notice on
 the [user] forum stating that Mike's request to disable the reply
 button on posts has been implemented. 

 This is a phenomenal response, both for the short time it took, and
 the minimum of discussion. 

That about sums it up. Removing that reply-to-author button from 
archive pages solves the only important problem I had with the service. 
Now, if anyone legitimately wants information from one of our members, 
they will need to join the group and ask for it, giving us much better 
control over the situation.

At this point I have no immediate concerns that would stop me from 
going with this archiving solution. The owners have been wonderfully 
responsive and I am looking forward to a low-hassle experience.

I've begun some tidying up and prep-work with an eye toward starting 
the archive up within the next couple of days. Once it's running okay 
I'll update the web site and list configuration to acknowledge its 
existence and get the rest of the messages ready to send to the mail-
archive guys so they can add them in. Then we can all start digging up 
our favorite posts from the past! grin

Mike also wrote:
 You can easily tell Mike's first priority is protecting members from
 harm, and that directs much of his thinking and decision-making. 

That's true enough. This whole discussion has given me incentive to 
think really hard about what I and we can do to improve the services 
available to and through our community and manage future growth.

I do have to thank Mike for blasting the barnacles off and helping to 
get me moving on this again. GRIN Settling on a strong archiving 
option streamlines the requirements for everything else and gets rid of 
at least one thorny problem that required a custom (read: complicated 
or expensive) solution.

THE NEAR FUTURE:

For the first time in years our messages are going to be visible to the 
web. In that time the web itself and the popularity of alternative 
health generally have grown a lot. That means, once they've been 
indexed, our messages will start turning up in countless Google 
searches on health and treatment issues. 

This is going to mean growth, new people, and possibly new attacks.

Our small footprint in the past has allowed us to keep a very low 
profile. That will change. At the same time we are about to start 
attracting more attention we will only be at the very beginning of the 
process of data-mining the archives and creating documents we will need 
to help new people more efficiently.  

I hope many of you will volunteer to search the archives on topics that 
you're interested in and list and summarize those results for us. A 
focus on frequent questions and introductory materials would be 
especially helpful up front. If anyone has web space available, you can 
possibly offer our volunteers a place to post those documents on an 
interim basis, much like Wayne was doing for some of our files. 

THE NEXT STEP:

I hope and expect that the pace of growth will be slow enough we can 
keep ahead of it. It tells me, though, that I need to focus my energy 
on providing us with a place to create, store, and present the results 
of our research, and that is what I will work on next.

Since the core archive issue appears to be decided, what remains is to 
do something we really haven't done before: gather together and publish 
what we as a community have learned over the years. This will have twin 
benefits of making it easier for all of us to answer common  questions 
and probably reduce the number of such questions as well.

I need to look at the available community and/or collaboration site 
concepts and software. I don't yet know if a wiki is the best solution, 
or some other format or platform. I would really appreciate any of you 
with interest and/or experience in this area to share your ideas, the 
more specific and detailed the better. Web sites of open source 
software packages and projects, example sites that you think might be 
good models for us, and so on... all would be useful.

LONG TERM:

At the same time I want to start evaluating alternatives or 
improvements to the current list management software, in hopes of 
giving me better tools to work with and better integration with the 
archives. I want a system that is well enough designed and documented 
and simple enough to operate that I can recruit a few volunteers to 
help me run the place.  

I also need to make sure that one of my adult children could carry on 
or pass the group on without disruption in the event I become 

FW: CSCMO Comment. . . . .Brooks Bradley - lipase

[Norton, Steve]

Can you use cheese making lipase for this?

-  Steve N

 

From: sms [mailto:s...@emotap.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:37 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Fw: CSCMO Comment. . . . .Brooks Bradley - lipase

 

 

This one?

Sasha

 

 

 

---Original Message---

 

From: Brooks Bradley mailto:brooks76...@lycos.com 

Date: 11/16/09 09:34:55

To: Silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: CSCMO Comment

 

Recently, there appeared a comment by one list member, that his CMO
protocol did not seem to be improving his arthritis challenge. While is
is true (based upon our researches) that the standard (10 day regime)
does evince noticeable improvement in a matter of as little as 5
days.the AVERAGE time-span (in our experiments) revealed to be about
19 days from the start of the protocolfor definite, subjectively
recognized, improvement to manifest. This was the case, even if the
protocol was stopped at the tenth day. Lipase does, indeed, enhance and
accelerate the beneficial effects of CMO. Incidentally, it also improves
greatly, the proper digestion of a complete litany of fats. 
It may be of interest to reveal that our best results came from using
about 25 mg of lipase 
per administration of each dose of CMO. 
One final comment of possible value; we have found CMO to be a SPLENDID
immune system modulator. The general, pain-free, mobility of a large
majority of our older 
(65 and over) volunteersespecially in improved
flexibility-manifested in nearly all of their afflicted articulating
joints (excepting fingers expressing Heberden's and Bouchard's nodes).
The thickened calcium deposits intruding into the capsule and
surrounding area seem to present an effect not fully addressed by our
existing CMO protocols. However, SOME of the Heberden's/Bouchard's cases
DID, in fact, react with positive improvement. 
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.



 

CSChlorine Dioxide (MMS1 and MMS2)

[Dan Nave]

Mike, I wrote this to you earlier, but it was during the time that
your e-mail was out.
See below (message and article):

Dan

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
 Mike,

 I wonder if you have considered Chlorine Dioxide to control the mold
 in your house.  Read the article below.
 A slow release CL02 system can be bought, and consists, I believe, of
 sodium chlorite powder mixed with bentonite clay in a porous bag.
 Moisture in the environment causes release of small quantities of
 chlorine dioxide which kills the mold spores.  I would assume one
 could figure out how to make them.  This is similar to the MMS
 (Miracle Mineral Supplement) touted by Jim Humble.

 Dan

 http://cool.conservation-us.org/byorg/abbey/an/an26/an26-6/an26-618.html

 Volume 26, Number 6
 Oct 2003

 Chlorine Dioxide: A Treatment for Mold in Libraries
 By Kristina L. Southwell

 Mold has been recognized as a serious threat to the safety and
 longevity of library materials for many years. Its ability to weaken,
 discolor, and destroy books and other paper items is well known.
 Although most librarians and archivists are aware of mold's negative
 effects on collections, many do not have first hand experience in
 dealing with an active mold bloom until mold is unexpectedly
 discovered in their library's stacks. In 1991, employees at the
 University of Oklahoma Libraries received a quick course in mold
 abatement, when mold was found growing in a book stack area.1

 The mold bloom, initiated by a combination of roof leaks and
 malfunctioning air handling systems, occurred in the oldest portion of
 the building. The book stacks in this area house older,
 Dewey-classified books on steel shelving. Low ceilings, narrow aisles
 and heavy doors that close off the decks from the other more
 frequently used areas of the library create an environment that often
 has less than adequate airflow. The lack of good air circulation
 combined with the accidental added moisture and heat produced a
 climate well-suited for mold growth.

 As with any situation in which a mold bloom occurs, attention was
 first given to stabilizing the temperature and humidity by repairing
 the roof leaks and the air handling system. When these factors were
 brought under control, library workers began using a thymol solution
 to wipe mold from the books. When concerns arose about possible
 carcinogenic effects of thymol. The treatment was halted and a
 microbiologist was consulted for advice on an alternative chemical
 treatment. Library administrators chose chlorine dioxide for its
 effectiveness as a sporicide, and for its safety level for library
 employees and patrons.

 Chlorine dioxide is commonly used as a biocidal agent in water
 treatment applications, paper manufacturing, and many branches of the
 food processing industry.2 It can be used in both aqueous and gaseous
 forms, and has recently gained notoriety as the agent used to combat
 anthrax in the Hart Senate Building on Capital Hill, and U.S. postal
 facilities in New Jersey and Washington, D.C. Because of its history
 of use by various industries, statistical data on chlorine dioxide's
 safety is available from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and
 the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Agency.3

 Several methods of using ClO2 were tried in the next few years, but
 finally (for a particularly hard-to-treat area in a closed
 collection), self-activating packets of chlorine dioxide, marketed
 under the name Aseptrol.4

 The small packets contain powder that reacts with humidity in the air
 to release chlorine dioxide in gaseous form. A total of six packets
 were hung with wire ties between the bookshelves, in a closed area
 that measures about 12,000 square feet. This approach stopped the mold
 bloom, and no subsequent infestations have been found in this area.

 As a result of the success of chlorine dioxide in these areas, the
 University Libraries continue to use chlorine dioxide packets to
 control mold growth in emergency situations, as well as areas that
 require regular treatment due to fluctuating temperature and humidity
 levels. In the spring of 2003, a steam pipe burst under the branch
 library that houses architecture materials, creating an ideal hot and
 humid environment for a mold bloom. Chlorine dioxide packets were
 immediately hung after the steam pipe was repaired, and to date no
 mold growth has been detected.

 The University Libraries also have found that chlorine dioxide packets
 are particularly well suited for controlling mold growth in special
 collections areas, which often consist of small, enclosed storage
 areas that do not receive much traffic from library employees or
 patrons. The self-activating chlorine dioxide packets can be hung and
 left to work without requiring constant monitoring by library staff.
 The regular presence of mold eradication chemicals in areas with
 unstable environments or a past history of mold infestation 

Re: CSTo Mike M... CMO?

[Mike Monett]

  Dear Mike,

   I've  started   wondering...   Your   extreme   sensitivities  are
   associated with an immune response in some way, right?

   If that's  so, then could the immune moderating effects  of Cetyl-
   Myristoleate (CMO) be of possible interest to you? From  what I've
   read (mostly here on the list) it sort of acts like a reset button
   on hyper- reactivity associated with many autoimmune diseases.

   Something that might apply to your situation?

  Maybe somebody has a copy of some of Brooks' posts on CMO handy, to
  tide us over 'til you can search the new archives? grin

   Be well!

   Mike D.

  Hi Mike,

  Thanks for  thinking  about this problem. I do  not  know  where the
  sensitivity comes  from.  But I know mold has  been  around  for 940
  million years, and we have only been around for about 4  million. Se
  we evolved in an environment that contained mold pretty much  in its
  present form.

  The mold  toxins  are  designed to kill  other  molds.  They  can be
  extremely harmful to humans. I read somewhere that a  few micrograms
  of concentrated dose of the toxins will kill a human in less than 24
  hours. The  toxins disappear from the body, so the death  looks like
  it was  from  natural  causes. This apparently  is  used  by certain
  nations to assassinate their enemies.

  We are  only  collateral damage in the biological  warfare  that has
  been going on forever. So we had to develop mechanisms to  deal with
  the toxins, else everyone would have been too sick to hunt or do any
  of the other things we did back then.

  From reading  articles by a professor at the University  of Toronto,
  somehow we  metabolize  the toxins on the spores,  and  probably the
  spores also.  I  don't know where this happens, maybe it  is  in the
  liver.

  The problem  seems  to be that a high  concentration  of  spores can
  destroy the  cells that metabolize the toxins, so they  are  free to
  roam. They cross the blood-brain barrier and give the  most terrible
  headaches you  can  imagine.  They are  completely  separate  from a
  normal headache.  Aspirin,  Tylenol, Ibuprofen,  and  all  the other
  headache remedies have no effect.

  On occasion,  I  will  have a normal blinding  headache  and  a mold
  headache simultaneously.  I   would   prefer   an  ordinary blinding
  headache over  a mold headache any day. I can  continue  to function
  through a  normal headache, but a mold headache is  debilitating and
  crippling. It will stop you in your tracks. Nothing will relieve the
  pain except to remove the spores from the air.

  When the mechanism that normally handles the spores is  damaged, the
  body has no way to get rid of them except through the skin.  This is
  most unpleasant. I often have to take a shower several times a day.

  So I believe the various remedies that may try to mask  the symptoms
  may not  be any help. The toxins would still be free to  do  all the
  other damage, such as ruin the digestion, cause the skin to crack or
  fall off completely, produce terrible exhaustion and  fatigue, cause
  terrible leg  and  foot  cramps,   ruin  the  thought  processes and
  completely mess  up  your  emotional stability,  and  all  the other
  weird, vague symptoms.

  The huge risk, and the reason I am taking so much of everyone's time
  to read this, is the same thing can happen to anyone.

  Before this happened, I was a normal, vigorous adult going  about my
  business. I  had never experienced any problems with  sensitivity to
  mold. All  it  took  was several  months  living  in  a contaminated
  building, and I lost everything I had built in my life.

  The message is if anyone starts to experience any symptoms  of mold,
  or other weird symptoms that have no apparent cause, check  for mold
  somewhere in the environment.

  Once you start experiencing the symptoms, it is too late. The damage
  is already done, and it is permanent.

  If you  cannot get rid of the mold, complain to the  city  about the
  problem and  find  another place to live that is free  of  mold. But
  make sure that others are not harmed by living in that building.

  Mold is no joke. It will harm you.

  Like Mike D. says, be well.

  Blessings,

  Mike M.


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Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth

[Dan Nave]

As it says in the referenced text, Traditional Chinese Medicine.

Dan

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:08 AM, John E. Stevens
jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote:
 Who's TCM?

 John

 On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does TCM theory say about male pattern baldness?

 Is it considered to be a deficiency or excess condition, or just
 something that you live with - like 2 arms, 2 legs, one head, etc?

 Dan

 On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Vigilius Haufniensis
 thehatefuln...@comcast.net wrote:
  bones and teeth are supported by foundational essence, according to
  traditional chinese medicine theory.  hair is supported by foundational
  essence and blood.
 
 
  - Original Message - From: sms s...@emotap.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:37 AM
  Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth
 
 
  Right!  According to the article below they prevent and reverse bone
  loss.
  Did you know?
 
  http://www.osteopenia3.com/Osteopenia-dried-plums.html
 
  While the article is long it is well worth the read. Here is an excerpt
  that
  may peak your interest:
 
  SNIP . . . . .Aside from existing drug therapies, certain lifestyle
  and
  nutritional factors are known to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. Among
  nutritional factors, recent observations suggest that dried plum, or
  prunes
  (Prunus domestica L.) is the most effective fruit in both preventing
  and
  reversing bone loss. 
  Sasha
  --- From: Del
  Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?
 
  That's not the only thing they increase!
  Del
  -- From: Norton, Steve
  Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?
 
  Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH.
  Steve N
 
 
 
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Re: CSNanosilver migrates...

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

You mentioned that you had researched silver

  Silver, from my research, has done nothing to harm anything.  

I would be interested to see it.   I do of course, know of the harmful effects 
the drug industry has on the world as I mentioned before.
  
How do you qualify your statement that Mercola is on the Med team, when he has 
spent most of his recent years in fighting laws suits because of his stand 
against them?  He is always crossing swords with the establishment over their 
misuse of drugs and vaccinations etc,.  This is well known.  His site has been 
swamped on numerous occasions in attempts to stop it getting its message 
across, and he is *always* promoting a natural approach to health care.  He is 
at the moment, at great personal risk, doing his own collation on how statins 
are affecting people adversely.  To me, this man should be applauded, not 
denigrated.  dee

On 3 Feb 2010, at 16:17, John E. Stevens wrote:

 Dee:
 
 Do you want the research on how drugs mutate animals, fish, etc.,?  It's 
 pretty widespread.  Check the archives of Dr. William Camppbell Douglass II, 
 Dr. Jonathan Wright, fish and game archives - especially the Great Lakes, 
 even smaller lakes.  I'm sure there are scientific reports on line regarding 
 mutated fish and frogs if you care to google it.  I've read various reports 
 from many different sources concerning it.
 I don't think there is any sense in writing Mercola because he's on the Med 
 team and possibly won't listen to any lay people.  It seems like it's like me 
 writing the NIC (National Cancer Institute) to let them know there are 
 several ways to cure cancer.  They aren't listening, and as long as they 
 make their big bucks in treatment only, they could care less about cures. 
 
 John 
 


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Re: CSChlorine Dioxide (MMS1 and MMS2)

[Marshall Dudley]

Yes! The clay makes a lot of sense.  Mix with clay and the clay acts to 
both pull moisture from the air, and to act as a fire retardant as well 
making it much safer.  However it seems that unless the clay is acid, 
the addition of something like citric acid would still be needed.


Marshall

Dan Nave wrote:

Mike, I wrote this to you earlier, but it was during the time that
your e-mail was out.
See below (message and article):

Dan

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:
  

Mike,

I wonder if you have considered Chlorine Dioxide to control the mold
in your house.  Read the article below.
A slow release CL02 system can be bought, and consists, I believe, of
sodium chlorite powder mixed with bentonite clay in a porous bag.
Moisture in the environment causes release of small quantities of
chlorine dioxide which kills the mold spores.  I would assume one
could figure out how to make them.  This is similar to the MMS
(Miracle Mineral Supplement) touted by Jim Humble.

Dan

http://cool.conservation-us.org/byorg/abbey/an/an26/an26-6/an26-618.html

Volume 26, Number 6
Oct 2003

Chlorine Dioxide: A Treatment for Mold in Libraries
By Kristina L. Southwell

Mold has been recognized as a serious threat to the safety and
longevity of library materials for many years. Its ability to weaken,
discolor, and destroy books and other paper items is well known.
Although most librarians and archivists are aware of mold's negative
effects on collections, many do not have first hand experience in
dealing with an active mold bloom until mold is unexpectedly
discovered in their library's stacks. In 1991, employees at the
University of Oklahoma Libraries received a quick course in mold
abatement, when mold was found growing in a book stack area.1

The mold bloom, initiated by a combination of roof leaks and
malfunctioning air handling systems, occurred in the oldest portion of
the building. The book stacks in this area house older,
Dewey-classified books on steel shelving. Low ceilings, narrow aisles
and heavy doors that close off the decks from the other more
frequently used areas of the library create an environment that often
has less than adequate airflow. The lack of good air circulation
combined with the accidental added moisture and heat produced a
climate well-suited for mold growth.

As with any situation in which a mold bloom occurs, attention was
first given to stabilizing the temperature and humidity by repairing
the roof leaks and the air handling system. When these factors were
brought under control, library workers began using a thymol solution
to wipe mold from the books. When concerns arose about possible
carcinogenic effects of thymol. The treatment was halted and a
microbiologist was consulted for advice on an alternative chemical
treatment. Library administrators chose chlorine dioxide for its
effectiveness as a sporicide, and for its safety level for library
employees and patrons.

Chlorine dioxide is commonly used as a biocidal agent in water
treatment applications, paper manufacturing, and many branches of the
food processing industry.2 It can be used in both aqueous and gaseous
forms, and has recently gained notoriety as the agent used to combat
anthrax in the Hart Senate Building on Capital Hill, and U.S. postal
facilities in New Jersey and Washington, D.C. Because of its history
of use by various industries, statistical data on chlorine dioxide's
safety is available from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and
the U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Agency.3

Several methods of using ClO2 were tried in the next few years, but
finally (for a particularly hard-to-treat area in a closed
collection), self-activating packets of chlorine dioxide, marketed
under the name Aseptrol.4

The small packets contain powder that reacts with humidity in the air
to release chlorine dioxide in gaseous form. A total of six packets
were hung with wire ties between the bookshelves, in a closed area
that measures about 12,000 square feet. This approach stopped the mold
bloom, and no subsequent infestations have been found in this area.

As a result of the success of chlorine dioxide in these areas, the
University Libraries continue to use chlorine dioxide packets to
control mold growth in emergency situations, as well as areas that
require regular treatment due to fluctuating temperature and humidity
levels. In the spring of 2003, a steam pipe burst under the branch
library that houses architecture materials, creating an ideal hot and
humid environment for a mold bloom. Chlorine dioxide packets were
immediately hung after the steam pipe was repaired, and to date no
mold growth has been detected.

The University Libraries also have found that chlorine dioxide packets
are particularly well suited for controlling mold growth in special
collections areas, which often consist of small, enclosed storage
areas that do not receive much traffic from library employees or
patrons. The 

Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives

[Renee]

Thanks Marshall.  I'm going to try this.  I have a nylon mesh bag (courtesy
of nylon pantyhose :-) and will try this before spending any money on line. 
Seems it takes just a little when dealing with a small area, according to
the size packages on line.

Samala,
Renee--who doesn't get the chemistry  formula, but can follow the more
citric, less chlorite (though 30/60 doesn't add up to 100% :-)

---Original Message---
 
 
C6H8O7 + NaClO2 = ClO2 + NaC6H5O7 + 3H
 
Thus one would needs to use 2.12 times as much BY WEIGHT of sodium
chlorite as citric acid for 100% efficiency. However I would simply put
an excess of citric acid, like 30% sodium chlorite and 60% citric acid
which works out to be 2.33 to 1.
 

Re: CSNow: Mold, Was: Pinging Mike

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Extremely interesting julie, just goes to show that everything has a place, 
often more important than we would ever dream!  dee

On 3 Feb 2010, at 18:16, julie martin wrote:

 i recently listened to an interview between David Wolfe and Paul Stamets that 
 some may find interesting at
 http://www.longevityconference.com/paul-stamets-interview-with-david-wolfe/
 in this interview he discusses, fungi intelligence, mushroom forming fungi 
 and how fungi helped generate soil and plant life.. Paul Stamets also has 
 several you tube videos.
 julie m
 
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Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth

[carolG]

WOW, prunes for increasing hair growth  and bone loss!  Just joined this group 
and already feeling it's radical and I love it.  

Also into raw foods mentioned today.

carol




From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 11:59:54 AM
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth

As it says in the referenced text, Traditional Chinese Medicine.

Dan

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:08 AM, John E. Stevens
jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote:
 Who's TCM?

 John

 On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:

 What does TCM theory say about male pattern baldness?

 Dan

  nutritional factors, recent observations suggest that dried plum, or
  prunes
  (Prunus domestica L.) is the most effective fruit in both preventing
  and
  reversing bone loss. 
  Sasha
  --- From: Del
  Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?
 
  That's not the only thing they increase!
  Del
  -- From: Norton, Steve
  Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?
 
  Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH.
  Steve N
 

Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives

[Marshall Dudley]

Missed the key, that should have been 70%.

Marshall

Renee wrote:
Thanks Marshall.  I'm going to try this.  I have a nylon mesh bag 
(courtesy of nylon pantyhose :-) and will try this before spending any 
money on line.  Seems it takes just a little when dealing with a small 
area, according to the size packages on line.
 
Samala,
Renee--who doesn't get the chemistry  formula, but can follow the more 
citric, less chlorite (though 30/60 doesn't add up to 100% :-)
 
/---Original Message---/
 
 
C6H8O7 + NaClO2 = ClO2 + NaC6H5O7 + 3H
 
Thus one would needs to use 2.12 times as much BY WEIGHT of sodium

chlorite as citric acid for 100% efficiency. However I would simply put
an excess of citric acid, like 30% sodium chlorite and 60% citric acid
which works out to be 2.33 to 1.
 







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Re: CSMike Mike

[Mike Monett]

   Hi gang!

   It's been  kinda amusing me since Mike Monett rejoined us.  It was
   actually when  he was here before that I  started  to consistently
   sign all of my posts as Mike D. so as to reduce the possibility of
   confusion.

   A few  of  you  have picked up on that  already  and  have started
   referring to  us with our initials, but a lot of  posts  this week
   have been  addressed only to 'Mike.' It's not been hard  to figure
   out who's  being addressed from the context, of  course,  but it's
   been strange to see 'my' name plastered all over the  place again.
   grin

  Just sayin'. LOL!

  Hi Mike!! waves

  Be well,

   Mike D.

   [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]

   [mdev...@eskimo.com ]

   [Speaking only for myself... ]

  Hi Mike,

  After the events of the past few days, you have got me grinning from
  ear to ear:

  ear gringringringringringringringringringrin ear

  See?

  Thanks Very Much!

  Mike M.


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Re: CShair growth Craig

[Craig Chamberlin]

Hi PJ,

I ramped up to 75mg fairly quickly (and suffered with detox for a good 
while), and stayed there until tests were at an acceptable level 
(~8mths), then moved down to 25mg, which I continue to take...most 
days...but always 12.5mg per day though:)  Total time elapsed has been a 
couple of years.  I don't think I was as toxic as a lot of folks.


I don't know how to make a comparison between Iodoral and Lugol's 
however.  That would require Marshall or someone else:)


When you refer to cysts, I presume you are talking about fibrous cysts?

My wife's fibrous breast cysts melted in about two weeks @50mg/day.

If I have overlooked anything thump me again:)

Regards,

Craig

Shirley Reed wrote:

   Congratulations, Craig!  I am also curious as to your dose.  I take 10 drops (at 
least) of 5% Lugol's every day and frequently 15 or more. At 10 drops that gives 650 mgs. 
per day.  But I am noticing that if I stay at that dose for a few days, then cysts begin 
returning, so I guess I will go to 15 drops per day and see what happens.  I know I have 
lots of things to detox from, aluminum being one I am very interested in getting rid of.  
Loads of mercury too from previous dental debacles.  I consider silver 
fillings to be unethical in an absolute sense.I have also noticed that my hair grows 
like crazy so it needs cutting more often.  The lady who cuts it always remarks about how 
healthy it is.  I am glad you reported your results because extraordinary experiences are 
often challenged and it feels good to have some back-up.  :)   pj
  



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Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives

[Renee]

Ah!  I was thinking 60/40.  But 70/30 is good, too. :-)

Samala,
Renee 

---Original Message---
 
 
Missed the key, that should have been 70%.
 

Re: CSChlorine dioxide products

[Sharlene Miyamura]

Thank you, Tom!   We already have chlorine added to our local water and I
see how it is activated much more when there is steam involved, so I was
concerned.  Several emphysema people have said how it is difficult to
breathe in the shower, perhaps due to the the activity of the chlorine when
in the company of steam and our lungs.

I recall a product called EM (Essential Microorganisms?) created by a
Japanese horticulturalist, Dr. Teruo Higa, that balanced the soil by
introducing good organisms into it.  So I wonder if the problem is that we
have chlorine added to our water that throws an imbalance in the environment
of the shower flora that causes the mold similar to our use of antibiotics
and our yeast problem?  Just speculating...  EM is used by some to rid homes
of mold and in prevention of mold. I used EM for my garden years ago, but
not for mold. I found at least one article (many more if you do a search),
but I don't know how valid it is, but worth looking into for non toxic means
of mold control:
http://www.mightymicrobes.com/effective-microorganisms.html

Sharlene



On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:29 AM, poast po...@prodigy.net wrote:

  Hello Sharlene,

 Care has to be taken in sizing the packet to be used.  However, in general
 when the shower is running the fan is on and no odor is detectable.  I
 suppose it is possible to linger in the bathroom for an extended period of
 time after a shower and after the fan has shut off and having the door shut
 it may be possible to be exposed to a stronger concentration of chlorine
 dioxide.  Usually, this is not an issue.

 Tom

Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives

[Marshall Dudley]

The more I look at it, and the more I think about it, the more I think 
one should put clay or Epsom salts in with the mixture to prevent fire 
and even possible spontaneous combustion.  If I did not do that, I would 
definite only put it in a fireproof container. Patent at 
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6824756/description.html discusses 
using a hydrated salt, such as Epsom salts to stabalize.


Marshall

Marshall Dudley wrote:

Missed the key, that should have been 70%.

Marshall

Renee wrote:
Thanks Marshall.  I'm going to try this.  I have a nylon mesh bag 
(courtesy of nylon pantyhose :-) and will try this before spending 
any money on line.  Seems it takes just a little when dealing with a 
small area, according to the size packages on line.
 
Samala,
Renee--who doesn't get the chemistry  formula, but can follow the 
more citric, less chlorite (though 30/60 doesn't add up to 100% :-)
 
/---Original Message---/
 
 
C6H8O7 + NaClO2 = ClO2 + NaC6H5O7 + 3H
 
Thus one would needs to use 2.12 times as much BY WEIGHT of sodium

chlorite as citric acid for 100% efficiency. However I would simply put
an excess of citric acid, like 30% sodium chlorite and 60% citric acid
which works out to be 2.33 to 1.
 






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Re: CSPinging Mike: Silverlist Archives

[Renee]

Well, since I have clay and salt, I'll pick one.  Seems like a nice safety
feature to me.

Thanks Marshall, for your patience and help.

Samala,
Renee 

---Original Message---
 
The more I look at it, and the more I think about it, the more I think
one should put clay or Epsom salts in with the mixture to prevent fire
and even possible spontaneous combustion.  If I did not do that, I would
definite only put it in a fireproof container. Patent at
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6824756/description.html discusses
using a hydrated salt, such as Epsom salts to stabalize.
 

Re: CShair loss causes

[Peter Converse]

Hi Shirley,

That was a good summation of what I have come to believe about iodine and 
the other halogens as well...well said!


Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:03 PM
Subject: CShair loss causes


  Since chlorine is known to replace iodine in our bodies and have a 
deleterious effect on intestinal health (where 70 to 80% of our immune 
systems are located!) this has to be suspected as part of the reason for 
the increase of the incidence of baldness in both men and women.  So 
filtering our water (shower water too )should perhaps be a priority for 
each of us.   Also, much of our water is fluoridated.  This also replaces 
iodine in our bodies so we may need to get rid of that too.   Since 
bromine in bread (since the early 1980's, commercial bread products use a 
bromine based dough conditioner instead of the formerly used iodine 
containing one), and bromine will also drive out iodine, then we may need 
to take action here also.  All three of these -- chlorine, fluoride, and 
bromine--- drive out our beneficial iodine, and themselves have very bad 
effects on us.  We are increasingly bombarded with these and have a 
reduced intake of iodine as well.  So the
stage is set for poor endocrine gland function (think thyroid gland though 
they all influence each others functioning).   Well,  I didn't mean to 
write a book, but it is really terrible what is being done to people just 
through ignorance and undue reliance on authorities to regulate what we 
eat and drink.  Just my opinion and none of this should be construed as 
advice of any kind since I have no certificates or degrees of any kind in 
nutrition or medicine.  But I have a computer and a brain and all the 
above can be checked out.  It takes pretty strong conviction based on 
sufficient knowledge to take action regarding iodine since so many regard 
it as poison.  Sorry for the length of this post.   Best wishes, pjps 
I added the 'may's and 'perhaps' after rereading this.  No Gestapo for me 
I hope.






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RE: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth

[Evans, Antonio F.]

 what does TCM stand for? Are there TCM Doctors in the Washington, DC
Area?


Kahlito Antonio Evans, Paralegal Specialist
Video Hearing Section,  Room #113 (MPA)
 Desk: 202.461.8863 Fax: 202.565.4679

-Original Message-
From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:31 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth

It results from the depletion of blood and foundational essence, due to
age. 
Treatment can be difficult, but I know of TCM doctors (one in
particular) who has great success with about 50% of cases, the other
cases being not impossible but more difficult to treat.
One of my buddies also said his hair was thinning due to liver fire
rising to his head.  This is due to stress, or anger/frustration.  Liver
fire would be more of an excess condition.  If your face is red and
you're irritable, that sounds like liver fire.



- Original Message -
From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth


What does TCM theory say about male pattern baldness?

Is it considered to be a deficiency or excess condition, or just
something that you live with - like 2 arms, 2 legs, one head, etc?

Dan

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Vigilius Haufniensis
thehatefuln...@comcast.net wrote:
 bones and teeth are supported by foundational essence, according to
 traditional chinese medicine theory. hair is supported by foundational
 essence and blood.


 - Original Message - From: sms s...@emotap.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:37 AM
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth


 Right! According to the article below they prevent and reverse bone
loss.
 Did you know?

 http://www.osteopenia3.com/Osteopenia-dried-plums.html

 While the article is long it is well worth the read. Here is an
excerpt
 that
 may peak your interest:

 SNIP . . . . .Aside from existing drug therapies, certain
lifestyle 
 and
 nutritional factors are known to reduce the risk of osteoporosis.
Among
 nutritional factors, recent observations suggest that dried plum, or
 prunes
 (Prunus domestica L.) is the most effective fruit in both preventing
and
 reversing bone loss. 
 Sasha
 --- From: Del
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

 That's not the only thing they increase!
 Del
 -- From: Norton, Steve
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

 Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH.
 Steve N



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Re: CShair loss causes

[leslie]

Thanks Peter, when the list was discussing Gatoraid, I knew they put 
recently added bromine and that it was bad for you but I couldn't remember 
where I heard it nor prove it so I stayed quiet. Hope the others read this.

Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca

To: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: CShair loss causes



Hi Shirley,

That was a good summation of what I have come to believe about iodine and 
the other halogens as well...well said!


Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:03 PM
Subject: CShair loss causes


  Since chlorine is known to replace iodine in our bodies and have a 
deleterious effect on intestinal health (where 70 to 80% of our immune 
systems are located!) this has to be suspected as part of the reason for 
the increase of the incidence of baldness in both men and women.  So 
filtering our water (shower water too )should perhaps be a priority for 
each of us.   Also, much of our water is fluoridated.  This also replaces 
iodine in our bodies so we may need to get rid of that too.   Since 
bromine in bread (since the early 1980's, commercial bread products use a 
bromine based dough conditioner instead of the formerly used iodine 
containing one), and bromine will also drive out iodine, then we may need 
to take action here also.  All three of these -- chlorine, fluoride, and 
bromine--- drive out our beneficial iodine, and themselves have very bad 
effects on us.  We are increasingly bombarded with these and have a 
reduced intake of iodine as well.  So the
stage is set for poor endocrine gland function (think thyroid gland 
though they all influence each others functioning).   Well,  I didn't 
mean to write a book, but it is really terrible what is being done to 
people just through ignorance and undue reliance on authorities to 
regulate what we eat and drink.  Just my opinion and none of this should 
be construed as advice of any kind since I have no certificates or 
degrees of any kind in nutrition or medicine.  But I have a computer and 
a brain and all the above can be checked out.  It takes pretty strong 
conviction based on sufficient knowledge to take action regarding iodine 
since so many regard it as poison.  Sorry for the length of this post. 
Best wishes, pjps I added the 'may's and 'perhaps' after rereading 
this.  No Gestapo for me I hope.






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Re: CShair loss causes

[Leslie]

Added question:  Is chlorine what is produced through MMS?
- Original Message - 
From: Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca

To: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: CShair loss causes



Hi Shirley,

That was a good summation of what I have come to believe about iodine and 
the other halogens as well...well said!


Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:03 PM
Subject: CShair loss causes


  Since chlorine is known to replace iodine in our bodies and have a 
deleterious effect on intestinal health (where 70 to 80% of our immune 
systems are located!) this has to be suspected as part of the reason for 
the increase of the incidence of baldness in both men and women.  So 
filtering our water (shower water too )should perhaps be a priority for 
each of us.   Also, much of our water is fluoridated.  This also replaces 
iodine in our bodies so we may need to get rid of that too.   Since 
bromine in bread (since the early 1980's, commercial bread products use a 
bromine based dough conditioner instead of the formerly used iodine 
containing one), and bromine will also drive out iodine, then we may need 
to take action here also.  All three of these -- chlorine, fluoride, and 
bromine--- drive out our beneficial iodine, and themselves have very bad 
effects on us.  We are increasingly bombarded with these and have a 
reduced intake of iodine as well.  So the
stage is set for poor endocrine gland function (think thyroid gland 
though they all influence each others functioning).   Well,  I didn't 
mean to write a book, but it is really terrible what is being done to 
people just through ignorance and undue reliance on authorities to 
regulate what we eat and drink.  Just my opinion and none of this should 
be construed as advice of any kind since I have no certificates or 
degrees of any kind in nutrition or medicine.  But I have a computer and 
a brain and all the above can be checked out.  It takes pretty strong 
conviction based on sufficient knowledge to take action regarding iodine 
since so many regard it as poison.  Sorry for the length of this post. 
Best wishes, pjps I added the 'may's and 'perhaps' after rereading 
this.  No Gestapo for me I hope.






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Re: CShair loss causes

[Marshall Dudley]

Chlorine Dioxide: ClO2

Marshall

Leslie wrote:

Added question:  Is chlorine what is produced through MMS?
- Original Message - From: Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca
To: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: CShair loss causes



Hi Shirley,

That was a good summation of what I have come to believe about iodine 
and the other halogens as well...well said!


Peter

- Original Message - From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:03 PM
Subject: CShair loss causes


  Since chlorine is known to replace iodine in our bodies and have a 
deleterious effect on intestinal health (where 70 to 80% of our 
immune systems are located!) this has to be suspected as part of the 
reason for the increase of the incidence of baldness in both men and 
women.  So filtering our water (shower water too )should perhaps be 
a priority for each of us.   Also, much of our water is 
fluoridated.  This also replaces


iodine in our bodies so we may need to get rid of that too.   Since 
bromine in bread (since the early 1980's, commercial bread products 
use a


bromine based dough conditioner instead of the formerly used iodine 
containing one), and bromine will also drive out iodine, then we may 
need


to take action here also.  All three of these -- chlorine, fluoride, 
and bromine--- drive out our beneficial iodine, and themselves have 
very bad effects on us.  We are increasingly bombarded with these 
and have a reduced intake of iodine as well.  So the
stage is set for poor endocrine gland function (think thyroid gland 
though they all influence each others functioning).   Well,  I 
didn't mean to write a book, but it is really terrible what is being 
done to people just through ignorance and undue reliance on 
authorities to regulate what we eat and drink.  Just my opinion and 
none of this should be construed as advice of any kind since I have 
no certificates or degrees of any kind in nutrition or medicine.  
But I have a computer and a brain and all the above can be checked 
out.  It takes pretty strong conviction based on sufficient 
knowledge to take action regarding iodine since so many regard it as 
poison.  Sorry for the length of this post. Best wishes, pjps I 
added the 'may's and 'perhaps' after rereading this.  No Gestapo for 
me I hope.






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Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth

[Vigilius Haufniensis]

TCM stands for Traditional Chinese Medicine, which is a standardized version 
of traditional Chinese Medicine.  There are other styles, such as Five Element 
style traditional Chinese medicine.


  - Original Message - 
  From: John E. Stevens 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:08 AM
  Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth


  Who's TCM?

  John


  On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote:

What does TCM theory say about male pattern baldness?

Is it considered to be a deficiency or excess condition, or just
something that you live with - like 2 arms, 2 legs, one head, etc?

Dan


On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Vigilius Haufniensis
thehatefuln...@comcast.net wrote:
 bones and teeth are supported by foundational essence, according to
 traditional chinese medicine theory.  hair is supported by foundational
 essence and blood.


 - Original Message - From: sms s...@emotap.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:37 AM
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth


 Right!  According to the article below they prevent and reverse bone 
loss.
 Did you know?

 http://www.osteopenia3.com/Osteopenia-dried-plums.html

 While the article is long it is well worth the read. Here is an excerpt
 that
 may peak your interest:

 SNIP . . . . .Aside from existing drug therapies, certain lifestyle 
and
 nutritional factors are known to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. Among
 nutritional factors, recent observations suggest that dried plum, or
 prunes
 (Prunus domestica L.) is the most effective fruit in both preventing and
 reversing bone loss. 
 Sasha
 --- From: Del
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

 That's not the only thing they increase!
 Del
 -- From: Norton, Steve
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

 Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH.
 Steve N



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RE: FW: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!

[Norton, Steve]

As best I have been able to determine, there are 3 primary excretion
paths for silver:

* Silver in solution is removed by the liver through the biliary
excretion path. This path has a capacity of around 1 mg of silver per
day.

* Large silver particles are removed by the liver by Kuypper cells.
Starting at roughly 2.2 nm and larger.

* Small silver particles are filtered out by the kidney. Roughly 2.2 nm
and smaller. There is an overlap region where particles may be removed
by either the liver or the kidney. There may some forms of silver in
solution that the kidney removes but I have not found any referenced in
any scientific studies.

I did find a study at
http://www.jnrc.org.cn/qikan/epaper/zhaiyao.asp?bsid=4825, that states
that Ag(NH3)2 is removed primarily by the liver. Ag(NH3)2 is the
silver/ammonia compound that Stuart Thomson proposes as being formed. I
was able to find nothing relating to fulminating silver in vivo.

Looking at Altman's study data, I estimate the silver excreted over the
96 days at roughly 321 mg. 115 mg through the liver (35%) and 206 mg
through the kidney (65%). I also guess that Altman drank the EIS quickly
so that few of the silver ions passed through the mucosal tissues. (Just
FYI. The one day preliminary excretion test showed a different ratio
between the liver and kidney, 20% through the liver and 80% through the
kidney.)

I estimated the average excretion rate through the liver at 1.2 mg/day.
This is a little high for the biliary excretion path and could account
for the removal of some large particles. Or perhaps it could be
measurement error. (I would expect a larger measurement error in the
feces depending on how homogeneous the silver was in the feces being
sampled. Urine samples should be fairly accurate.) But the output is
amazingly close to the predicted max biliary excretion rate and I think
it does represent the elimination of silver that is in solution and not
just large particles.


Personally, I do not put much faith in Frank's silver ion measurement. 


 - Steve N


-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:17 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: FW: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!

There is another problem as well.  The chemistry of silver indicates 
that any silver ions in the blood will quickly plate out on any silver 
particles in the blood, which do not register as ions.  He does not 
confirm that the ions do not make it into the blood, we know from those 
who get argyria from silver compounds they do, but rather that when 
taken with colloidal particles are quickly plated out on the particles 
which are in the blood.

Marshall

Mike Monett wrote:
Frank used  an ion selective probe to see if there  was  any Ionic
Silver in the blood after ingesting EIS. He found none.

   I remember  that post. Frank was being very disingenuous. He  buys a
   lot of expensive lab equipment and certainly knows  the capabilities
   and limitations of each measurement.



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RE: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!

[Neville Munn]

[I also guess that Altman drank the EIS quickly]

 

-And *THAT* is but *ONE* of those things that never seems to appear in 
published material, and that means the *reader* is encouraged to form some 
conclusions of his/her own...Welcome to the club of those who find it necessary 
to plug the gaps and appear to swim against the flow *despite* popular 
opinion or published material.

 

Published material needs to inform of *EVERYTHING*, no matter how small or 
insignificant it may seem to the writer.  There are many holes I consider need 
plugging in that 'dyke', doesn't matter how ridiculous one looks spread out all 
over that wall plugging them with fingers and toes...It needs to be done.

 

That's it Boss, I can feel myself slipping g.

 

N.
 
 Subject: RE: FW: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
 Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 17:33:44 -0600
 From: stephen.nor...@ngc.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 As best I have been able to determine, there are 3 primary excretion
 paths for silver:
 
 * Silver in solution is removed by the liver through the biliary
 excretion path. This path has a capacity of around 1 mg of silver per
 day.
 
 * Large silver particles are removed by the liver by Kuypper cells.
 Starting at roughly 2.2 nm and larger.
 
 * Small silver particles are filtered out by the kidney. Roughly 2.2 nm
 and smaller. There is an overlap region where particles may be removed
 by either the liver or the kidney. There may some forms of silver in
 solution that the kidney removes but I have not found any referenced in
 any scientific studies.
 
 I did find a study at
 http://www.jnrc.org.cn/qikan/epaper/zhaiyao.asp?bsid=4825, that states
 that Ag(NH3)2 is removed primarily by the liver. Ag(NH3)2 is the
 silver/ammonia compound that Stuart Thomson proposes as being formed. I
 was able to find nothing relating to fulminating silver in vivo.
 
 Looking at Altman's study data, I estimate the silver excreted over the
 96 days at roughly 321 mg. 115 mg through the liver (35%) and 206 mg
 through the kidney (65%). I also guess that Altman drank the EIS quickly
 so that few of the silver ions passed through the mucosal tissues. (Just
 FYI. The one day preliminary excretion test showed a different ratio
 between the liver and kidney, 20% through the liver and 80% through the
 kidney.)
 
 I estimated the average excretion rate through the liver at 1.2 mg/day.
 This is a little high for the biliary excretion path and could account
 for the removal of some large particles. Or perhaps it could be
 measurement error. (I would expect a larger measurement error in the
 feces depending on how homogeneous the silver was in the feces being
 sampled. Urine samples should be fairly accurate.) But the output is
 amazingly close to the predicted max biliary excretion rate and I think
 it does represent the elimination of silver that is in solution and not
 just large particles.
 
 
 Personally, I do not put much faith in Frank's silver ion measurement. 
 
 
 - Steve N
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 8:17 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: FW: CSWHY EIS is less likely to cause Argyria!
 
 There is another problem as well. The chemistry of silver indicates 
 that any silver ions in the blood will quickly plate out on any silver 
 particles in the blood, which do not register as ions. He does not 
 confirm that the ions do not make it into the blood, we know from those 
 who get argyria from silver compounds they do, but rather that when 
 taken with colloidal particles are quickly plated out on the particles 
 which are in the blood.
 
 Marshall
 
 Mike Monett wrote:
   Frank used an ion selective probe to see if there was any Ionic
   Silver in the blood after ingesting EIS. He found none.
 
  I remember that post. Frank was being very disingenuous. He buys a
  lot of expensive lab equipment and certainly knows the capabilities
  and limitations of each measurement.
 
 
 
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RE: CSHair Growth?

[Lisa]

How do you make the gel?

Can you share the recipe please?

Lisa

-Original Message-
From: Sandee George [mailto:sandee...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Sandee George
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:03 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

Hi There Pat - I use my colloidal silver gel on my scalp all the time,  
when I do not do so, the hair immediately becomes thinner, this is my  
experience - over to you
Regards
Sandee


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Re: CSChlorine dioxide products

[poast]

Hello Sharlene,

Thanks for the link.  Now I have some studying to do...

Tom

  - Original Message - 
  From: Sharlene Miyamura 
  To: silver-list 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 12:11 PM
  Subject: Re: CSChlorine dioxide products



  Thank you, Tom!   We already have chlorine added to our local water and I see 
how it is activated much more when there is steam involved, so I was concerned. 
 Several emphysema people have said how it is difficult to breathe in the 
shower, perhaps due to the the activity of the chlorine when in the company of 
steam and our lungs.  

  I recall a product called EM (Essential Microorganisms?) created by a 
Japanese horticulturalist, Dr. Teruo Higa, that balanced the soil by 
introducing good organisms into it.  So I wonder if the problem is that we have 
chlorine added to our water that throws an imbalance in the environment of the 
shower flora that causes the mold similar to our use of antibiotics and our 
yeast problem?  Just speculating...  EM is used by some to rid homes of mold 
and in prevention of mold. I used EM for my garden years ago, but not for mold. 
I found at least one article (many more if you do a search), but I don't know 
how valid it is, but worth looking into for non toxic means of mold control: 
  http://www.mightymicrobes.com/effective-microorganisms.html

  Sharlene


   
  On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:29 AM, poast po...@prodigy.net wrote:

Hello Sharlene,

Care has to be taken in sizing the packet to be used.  However, in general 
when the shower is running the fan is on and no odor is detectable.  I suppose 
it is possible to linger in the bathroom for an extended period of time after a 
shower and after the fan has shut off and having the door shut it may be 
possible to be exposed to a stronger concentration of chlorine dioxide.  
Usually, this is not an issue.

Tom

Re: CShair loss causes

[poast]

Hello Leslie,

MMS is a high concentration sodium chlorite solution.  It has a PH of around
12.  When you add an acid to lower its PH, it forms a chlorous acid
solution.  Sodium chlorite is also known as stabilized chlorine dioxide.
When the PH is lowered and the chlorous acid is formed, some of the
available chlorine dioxide is released in the solution as free chlorine
dioxide.  The stronger the acid used, the lower the PH falls, and the more
of the available chlorine dioxide is released as free chlorine dioxide in
solution.

Chlorine dioxide is much different than chlorine.

However, when exposed to UV light, chlorine dioxide breaks down to chlorine
and hydrochloric acid (acid rain).

To answer your question, not usually.

Tom

- Original Message - 
From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: CShair loss causes


 Added question:  Is chlorine what is produced through MMS?
 - Original Message - 
 From: Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca
 To: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:20 PM
 Subject: Re: CShair loss causes


  Hi Shirley,
 
  That was a good summation of what I have come to believe about iodine
and
  the other halogens as well...well said!
 
  Peter
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:03 PM
  Subject: CShair loss causes
 
 
Since chlorine is known to replace iodine in our bodies and have a
  deleterious effect on intestinal health (where 70 to 80% of our immune
  systems are located!) this has to be suspected as part of the reason
for
  the increase of the incidence of baldness in both men and women.  So
  filtering our water (shower water too )should perhaps be a priority for
  each of us.   Also, much of our water is fluoridated.  This also
replaces
  iodine in our bodies so we may need to get rid of that too.   Since
  bromine in bread (since the early 1980's, commercial bread products use
a
  bromine based dough conditioner instead of the formerly used iodine
  containing one), and bromine will also drive out iodine, then we may
need
  to take action here also.  All three of these -- chlorine, fluoride,
and
  bromine--- drive out our beneficial iodine, and themselves have very
bad
  effects on us.  We are increasingly bombarded with these and have a
  reduced intake of iodine as well.  So the
  stage is set for poor endocrine gland function (think thyroid gland
  though they all influence each others functioning).   Well,  I didn't
  mean to write a book, but it is really terrible what is being done to
  people just through ignorance and undue reliance on authorities to
  regulate what we eat and drink.  Just my opinion and none of this
should
  be construed as advice of any kind since I have no certificates or
  degrees of any kind in nutrition or medicine.  But I have a computer
and
  a brain and all the above can be checked out.  It takes pretty strong
  conviction based on sufficient knowledge to take action regarding
iodine
  since so many regard it as poison.  Sorry for the length of this post.
  Best wishes, pjps I added the 'may's and 'perhaps' after rereading
  this.  No Gestapo for me I hope.
 
 
 
 
 
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CSRE: CSCMO Comment. . . . .Brooks Bradley - lipase‬

[Norton, Steve]

No, my question is can you ingest lipase that is sold for cheese making to take 
with CMO and will it increase the bioavailability of the CMO?
 - Steve N

From: sms s...@emotap.com
To: Norton, Steve
Sent: Wed Feb 03 18:54:30 2010
Subject:  RE: CSCMO Comment. . . . .Brooks Bradley - lipase‬  

Oops Steve.  I don't understand what you meant.  Did you mean if one eats 
cheese, would lipase help to digest the fat?

Sash 

---Original Message---‬ ‪
From: Norton, Steve‬‪
Date: 02/03/10 10:44:24‬‪
To: sms‬‪
Subject: RE: CSCMO Comment. . . . .Brooks Bradley - lipase‬  

Can you use cheese making lipase for this?
    Steve N 

CSRe: CSRE: CSCMO Comment. . . . .Brooks Bradley - lipase‬

[Craig Chamberlin]

Title: RE: CSCMO Comment. . . . .Brooks Bradley - lipase‬




Hi Steve,

The brand I am currently taking includes not only lipase, but also
protease and alpha-amylase.  Plus Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate and
Selenium Amino Acid Chelate.

My experience has been that my results have been significant with this
brand, as opposed to the other which lacks these (in fact I got no
relief with the other plain CMO).  They are both derived from animal
sources.

It is *my* opinion that the reason has something to do with the fact
that I cannot live with a low fat diet and that these help get it into
my system quicker so the CMO doesn't get affected by the fats I do
consume.  JUST MY OPINION:)

It is also considerably more expensive.

Craig

Norton, Steve wrote:

  
  
  

  No, my question is can you ingest lipase that is
sold for cheese making to take with CMO and will it increase the
bioavailability of the CMO?
 - Steve N
  






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CSCMO Comment. . . . .Brooks Bradley - lipase‬

[sms]

Hmmm! Don't know the answer to that one.  Sorry.
I take my CMO with capsule form of Lipase from RGarden.

--
From: Norton, Steve
Date: 02/03/10 17:34:40
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSRE: CSCMO Comment. . . . .Brooks Bradley - lipase‬
 No, my question is can you ingest lipase that is sold for cheese making to
take with CMO and will it increase the bioavailability of the CMO?
 - Steve N

Re: CShair loss causes

[leslie]

Thank  you. Do you feel that it is totally safe and will destroy the cancer 
cells? I have been looking for something that will do this. Seems lots of 
things you could try but geez would like to know first if possible. I 
realize that if it was proven there would be a flood of people using it. 
Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: poast po...@prodigy.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: CShair loss causes



Hello Leslie,

MMS is a high concentration sodium chlorite solution.  It has a PH of 
around

12.  When you add an acid to lower its PH, it forms a chlorous acid
solution.  Sodium chlorite is also known as stabilized chlorine dioxide.
When the PH is lowered and the chlorous acid is formed, some of the
available chlorine dioxide is released in the solution as free chlorine
dioxide.  The stronger the acid used, the lower the PH falls, and the more
of the available chlorine dioxide is released as free chlorine dioxide in
solution.

Chlorine dioxide is much different than chlorine.

However, when exposed to UV light, chlorine dioxide breaks down to 
chlorine

and hydrochloric acid (acid rain).

To answer your question, not usually.

Tom

- Original Message - 
From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: CShair loss causes



Added question:  Is chlorine what is produced through MMS?
- Original Message - 
From: Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca

To: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: CShair loss causes


 Hi Shirley,

 That was a good summation of what I have come to believe about iodine

and

 the other halogens as well...well said!

 Peter

 - Original Message - 
 From: Shirley Reed pj20...@yahoo.com

 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:03 PM
 Subject: CShair loss causes


   Since chlorine is known to replace iodine in our bodies and have a
 deleterious effect on intestinal health (where 70 to 80% of our immune
 systems are located!) this has to be suspected as part of the reason

for

 the increase of the incidence of baldness in both men and women.  So
 filtering our water (shower water too )should perhaps be a priority 
 for

 each of us.   Also, much of our water is fluoridated.  This also

replaces

 iodine in our bodies so we may need to get rid of that too.   Since
 bromine in bread (since the early 1980's, commercial bread products 
 use

a

 bromine based dough conditioner instead of the formerly used iodine
 containing one), and bromine will also drive out iodine, then we may

need

 to take action here also.  All three of these -- chlorine, fluoride,

and

 bromine--- drive out our beneficial iodine, and themselves have very

bad

 effects on us.  We are increasingly bombarded with these and have a
 reduced intake of iodine as well.  So the
 stage is set for poor endocrine gland function (think thyroid gland
 though they all influence each others functioning).   Well,  I didn't
 mean to write a book, but it is really terrible what is being done to
 people just through ignorance and undue reliance on authorities to
 regulate what we eat and drink.  Just my opinion and none of this

should

 be construed as advice of any kind since I have no certificates or
 degrees of any kind in nutrition or medicine.  But I have a computer

and

 a brain and all the above can be checked out.  It takes pretty strong
 conviction based on sufficient knowledge to take action regarding

iodine

 since so many regard it as poison.  Sorry for the length of this post.
 Best wishes, pjps I added the 'may's and 'perhaps' after rereading
 this.  No Gestapo for me I hope.





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RE: CSmoon on fingernails? Agyria

[Neville Munn]

If you're referring to EIS as I recognise it...who *does* know?

 

If you're referring to 'CS', which could be *anything*, then it's anyone's 
guess.

 

EIS is so termed so as to distinguish this product from all those 'CS 
concoctions' produced with wilful disobeyance {or ignorance}of accepted 
procedures and protocols for the production thereof, and consequently passed 
off or are masqueraded as the real deal.

 

Tell em you only know about EIS and 'CS' is the illegitimate rellie of EIS, and 
forget about 'blue', it won't happen, then tell em to read more intelligent 
literature or material, not that same boring, outdated and regurgitated 
*misinformation* they find on the net, and stand tall and look em straight in 
the eye when saying it...{if only you could}.

 

N.
 


Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:07:49 -0800
From: sunwatercl...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSmoon on fingernails? Agyria
To: silver-list@eskimo.com






Hey, I posted on facebook about CS and someone mentioned the 'blue' thing.  I 
have so many postings here, can't find it.. can anyone quickly answer this... 
HOW MUCH is TOO MUCH?
 
thanks 
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From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, January 9, 2010 1:12:26 PM
Subject: Re: CSmoon on fingernails?

If it's ablue moon, too much colloidal silver water or contaminated colloidal 
silver salts may be being ingested.

John


On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net wrote:



Someone on this list recently commented on how his fingernails got a 'moon' on 
them when he increased his CS consumption.  Can someone on this list tell me 
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Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth

[Dan Nave]

Well, I can be irritable (LOL) but my face is not red...  unless I am
being irritated... ;-))
However, I know exactly what you mean about liver fire rising to the
head, but that doesn't happen very often anymore.

But, testosterone being changed to dihydrotestosterone (the western
medicine explanation for baldness) sounds very much like depletion of
foundational essence.

Dan

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Vigilius Haufniensis
thehatefuln...@comcast.net wrote:
 It results from the depletion of blood and foundational essence, due to age.
 Treatment can be difficult, but I know of TCM doctors (one in particular)
 who has great success with about 50% of cases, the other cases being not
 impossible but more difficult to treat.
 One of my buddies also said his hair was thinning due to liver fire rising
 to his head.  This is due to stress, or anger/frustration.  Liver fire would
 be more of an excess condition.  If your face is red and you're irritable,
 that sounds like liver fire.



 - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:26 AM
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth


 What does TCM theory say about male pattern baldness?

 Is it considered to be a deficiency or excess condition, or just
 something that you live with - like 2 arms, 2 legs, one head, etc?

 Dan

 On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Vigilius Haufniensis
 thehatefuln...@comcast.net wrote:

 bones and teeth are supported by foundational essence, according to
 traditional chinese medicine theory. hair is supported by foundational
 essence and blood.


 - Original Message - From: sms s...@emotap.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:37 AM
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth


 Right! According to the article below they prevent and reverse bone loss.
 Did you know?

 http://www.osteopenia3.com/Osteopenia-dried-plums.html

 While the article is long it is well worth the read. Here is an excerpt
 that
 may peak your interest:

 SNIP . . . . .Aside from existing drug therapies, certain lifestyle
 and
 nutritional factors are known to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. Among
 nutritional factors, recent observations suggest that dried plum, or
 prunes
 (Prunus domestica L.) is the most effective fruit in both preventing and
 reversing bone loss. 
 Sasha
 --- From: Del
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

 That's not the only thing they increase!
 Del
 -- From: Norton, Steve
 Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

 Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH.
 Steve N



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CSmg's

[Shirley Reed]

  Not the first time I've embarrassed myself with a bad decimal point 
placement!!  pj


  


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Re: CShair growth Craig

[Leslie]

Are ya'll saying Iodine might detox from mercury, aluminum and rid of cysts 
or tumors??
- Original Message - 
From: Craig Chamberlin craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: CShair growth Craig



Hi PJ,

I ramped up to 75mg fairly quickly (and suffered with detox for a good 
while), and stayed there until tests were at an acceptable level (~8mths), 
then moved down to 25mg, which I continue to take...most days...but always 
12.5mg per day though:)  Total time elapsed has been a couple of years.  I 
don't think I was as toxic as a lot of folks.


I don't know how to make a comparison between Iodoral and Lugol's however. 
That would require Marshall or someone else:)


When you refer to cysts, I presume you are talking about fibrous cysts?

My wife's fibrous breast cysts melted in about two weeks @50mg/day.

If I have overlooked anything thump me again:)

Regards,

Craig

Shirley Reed wrote:
   Congratulations, Craig!  I am also curious as to your dose.  I take 10 
drops (at least) of 5% Lugol's every day and frequently 15 or more. At 10 
drops that gives 650 mgs. per day.  But I am noticing that if I stay at 
that dose for a few days, then cysts begin returning, so I guess I will 
go to 15 drops per day and see what happens.  I know I have lots of 
things to detox from, aluminum being one I am very interested in getting 
rid of.  Loads of mercury too from previous dental debacles.  I consider 
silver fillings to be unethical in an absolute sense.I have also 
noticed that my hair grows like crazy so it needs cutting more often. 
The lady who cuts it always remarks about how healthy it is.  I am glad 
you reported your results because extraordinary experiences are often 
challenged and it feels good to have some back-up.  :)   pj





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CSArthritis- ? for Brooks B.

[Pat]

I've been thinking about using gelatin, but it's been so busy the last several 
weeks with my daughter and her family visiting.  Now, holding the small box 
which contains four packets, I'm wondering what to do with it.  Would it be 
effective to make it into jello using juice and water.  That would require four 
packets of gelatin and four cups of liquid.  That would be two cups more per 
box than what you consumed, wouldn't it?  But no way could I eat that four 
times a day!  Do you think the gelatin is effective or is it mostly the 
increased intake of water?  How long would one need to use this?

I'm doing well with using Thorvin kelp.  Luckily, I like the lecithin, because 
the kelp tastes way too fishy for me, but I have no trouble getting a teaspoon 
of each down once a day.

I just started taking my glucosamine, chondriotin, and MSM today, once again.  
A friend of mine has been able to discontinue her Celebrex anti-inflammatory 
and uses nothing for pain since she started that plus fish oil and vitamin D.  
She had had significant pain, especially in her knee.

Pat





From: Brooks Bradley brooks76...@lycos.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 6:55:48 PM
Subject: [RE]CSSpinal Arthritis

Dear Steve, 
Your wife has my heartfelt sympathy.  I suffered from PRONOUNCED ankylosing 
spondylitis 
for many years (between ages of 30 and 50), during which interval the 
allopathic community failed to gain ANY  distinct relief.for me.  My case 
was considerably aggravated by the fact I have a congenital deformation of the 
5th lower lumbar (a region which very often presents a major insult).  Circa 
about 1980, I was forced to start sleeping on an inclined 
2 X 12 X 8' wooden plank..with the head-end resting on the outer edge of 
a heavy captain's chair.in order to obtain any measurable degree of pain 
relief-not to mention sleep.  By 1990 (via continual pain killers, hot 
saunas and a HIGH-tenison, compression-type spinal brace), the 
discomfortand outright pain, although episodic in naturehad reached a 
point that nothing I attempted effected any measurable pain reductionfor 
any extended period of time (hours).  Quite serendipitously, I stumbled across 
a medical article by some Chinese researcheron the benefits of utilizing 
gelatin obtained from cattle carcasses (plain 
Knox-type) aiding in the re-establishment of eroded cartilage-type tissues.  As 
a drowning man would grasp at a straw, I initiated a protocol which included 
a pronounced intake of Knox gelatin (about four small boxes daily).  I began to 
enjoy noticeable improvement within 5 daysand PRONOUNCED 
improvement-within 20 days.  Overjoyed, I informed my associates of this 
splendid turn of events.  Several of them  (five, in fact) were experiencing 
similarif not as overpoweringdisagreeable spinal presentations.  All 
five initiated my basic protocol.  When two of them reported similar WONDERFUL 
results, 
as minethree reported little, if any, marked relief.  Puzzled, I closely 
interrogated each as to their EXACT protocol.  At first I could determine NO 
detectable variationbut upon more refined questioning, I determined there 
was one, fundamental difference.  That, being that the two positive responders 
were consuming a second glass of water with each dosage (with 8 ounce glasses, 
this equals 32 ounces of additional water).  As this research occurred some 
years prior to Dr. Batmanhelidj's seminal work on the very powerful effects 
of systemic dehydration upon the human body..it had never occurred to me 
(OR the allopathic medical community) that chronic dehydration was such a 
powerful player in a very large number of chronic/systemic afflictions suffered 
by humans.most especially OLDER ONES.  Upon repeating the original 
protocol, with the addition of the added water intake, 
all three of the volunteers experienced very powerful improvements.  Two 
enjoyed considerably better gains in general relief over the next 30 days, and 
the third individual did gain what he described as enormous pain abatement.  
Four of the five original subjects required no additional address, of any kind, 
other than a scheduled increase in daily water consumption.  The fourth, gained 
very significant relief, but continued to backslide on maintaining his 
increased water intakeresulting in periodic relapses. 
Additionally, I was spurred to investigate the condition of chronic dehydration 
in the elderly (65 and over), and was shocked to find that the thirst reflex 
in persons (especially men) diminishes as much as 50%-and, sometimes, is 
life-threatening -- 
without ANY recognizable medical or behavior symptoms. 
I hasten to advise that over the immediately past 17 years we have learned of 
other improvements in personal healthcare which have resulted in a vast 
improvement in addresses for arthritis..especially 

Re: CSArthritis- ? for Brooks B.

[Steve G]

Some people swear by glucosamine and chondroitin, but that stuff has never done 
anything for me.  I wish it would though.   Maybe DMSO will help.   

Steve G.


--- On Wed, 2/3/10, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
Subject: CSArthritis- ? for Brooks B.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:35 PM

I just started taking my glucosamine, chondriotin, and MSM today, once again.  
A friend of mine has been able to discontinue her Celebrex anti-inflammatory 
and uses nothing for pain since she started that plus fish oil and vitamin D.  
She had had significant pain, especially in her knee.

Pat





  



  

Re: CSNow: Mold, Was: Pinging Mike

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Off topic, but amusing -- the overpriced print canvas handbags by 
Louis Vuitton and other luxury brands are made of vinyl.   So I read.


Imagine that -- more than a thousand dollars for a vinyl bag with 
leather trim.   I think it's a high-grade PVC.







On Wednesday, Feb 3, 2010, at 15:19 Asia/Tokyo, Mike Monett wrote:

There are poisons in the vinyl, too, that may be as dangerous as the 
mold.


That smell you get from purchasing a new vinyl shower curtain is 
dangerous

to your health.  Please check that out, too.


Same problem with any new vinyl product. Cars, waterbeds, raincoats, 
etc.


Other plastics may contain chemicals such as BPA, or leach plasticizer 
into
food or drinking water. It is important to know which plastics are 
harmful,

and to avoid them.

I have stopped using dw jugs made from HDPE. They leaves a bad 
plasticizer

taste in the water. PETE jugs leave no taste at all.

Regards,

Mike M.


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Re: CSChlorine dioxide products

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Speaking of Dr. Higa, whom I met once -- a very nice man --  I strongly 
recommend the English translations of his brilliant books,  Earth 
Saving Revolution, Volumes One and Two.These have been among the 
most influential books in my life, and I'm not a scientist.   Higa 
writes in a manner accessible to the layperson, without condescension 
or dumbing down the subject matter.   Like many very bright men and 
women, he uses plain language to convey important ideas. Higa's 
involved in medical research with EM as well.   In the USA his products 
and books are available from a company called Sustainable Community 
Development, whose owner studied with Higa in Okinawa.








On Thursday, Feb 4, 2010, at 05:11 Asia/Tokyo, Sharlene Miyamura wrote:


 
Thank you, Tom!   We already have chlorine added to our local water 
and I see how it is activated much more when there is steam involved, 
so I was concerned.  Several emphysema people have said how it is 
difficult to breathe in the shower, perhaps due to the the activity of 
the chlorine when in the company of steam and our lungs.  

 
I recall a product called EM (Essential Microorganisms?) created by a 
Japanese horticulturalist, Dr. Teruo Higa, that balanced the soil by 
introducing good organisms into it.  So I wonder if the problem is 
that we have chlorine added to our water that throws an imbalance in 
the environment of the shower flora that causes the mold similar to 
our use of antibiotics and our yeast problem?  Just speculating...  EM 
is used by some to rid homes of mold and in prevention of mold. I used 
EM for my garden years ago, but not for mold. I found at least one 
article (many more if you do a search), but I don't know how valid it 
is, but worth looking into for non toxic means of mold control: 

http://www.mightymicrobes.com/effective-microorganisms.html
 
Sharlene
 

 
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:29 AM, poast po...@prodigy.net wrote:

Hello Sharlene,
 
Care has to be taken in sizing the packet to be used.  However, in 
general when the shower is running the fan is on and no odor is 
detectable.  I suppose it is possible to linger in the bathroom for an 
extended period of time after a shower and after the fan has shut off 
and having the door shut it may be possible to be exposed to a 
stronger concentration of chlorine dioxide.  Usually, this is not an 
issue.

 
Tom
 




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Re: CSArthritis- ? for Brooks B.

[Pat]

About ten years ago, glucosamine and chondriotin helped me quite a lot.  More 
recently it hasn't helped.  My orthopaedic surgeon said it helps most in the 
early stages of arthritis.

Pat





From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 12:07:46 AM
Subject: Re: CSArthritis- ? for Brooks B.




Some people swear by glucosamine and chondroitin, but that stuff has never done 
anything for me.  I wish it would though.   Maybe DMSO will help.   

Steve G.


--- On Wed, 2/3/10, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com
Subject: CSArthritis- ? for Brooks B.
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:35 PM


I just started taking my glucosamine, chondriotin, and MSM today, once again.  
A friend of mine has been able to discontinue her Celebrex anti-inflammatory 
and uses nothing for pain since she
 started that plus fish oil and vitamin D.  She had had significant pain, 
 especially in her knee.

Pat


 



  

Re: CS'Kinetic kill experiments'

[Mike Monett]

   The kinetic  kill experiments by Steve Quinto show the  effect of
   silver ions on e.coli drops of rapidly below about 1000 parts per
   billion. David  has  the url on his site, but I  don't  have time
   right now to track it down.

  Here 'tis

  http://tinyurl.com/3qb4v
  http://tinyurl.com/47ujf
  http://tinyurl.com/3mmq2

  David
  http://www.colloidalsilver.com.au/Links.html

  David,

  Thank you very much. That is exactly what I was looking for.

  Thanks to the efforts of Mike D., it appears the silverlist archives
  may soon be back online.

  You are one of the most logical and eloquent speakers I have had the
  pleasure of listening to.

  It would be very important for newcomers to have a chance  to listen
  to your thoughts, and to have them recorded for posterity.

  Would you  consider  to join some of the  discussions  that interest
  you, and  show  us  how some of the  most  difficult  issues  can be
  addressed?

  I would welcome any participation you can give.

  As a Compatriot,

  Mike M.


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Re: CShair growth Craig

[Annie B Smythe]

Yep, does all that, detoxes fluoride, bromide, and 
chlorine also:)


Annie

Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Leslie wrote:
Are ya'll saying Iodine might detox from mercury, aluminum and rid of 
cysts or tumors??
- Original Message - From: Craig Chamberlin 
craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: CShair growth Craig



Hi PJ,

I ramped up to 75mg fairly quickly (and suffered with detox for a good 
while), and stayed there until tests were at an acceptable level 
(~8mths), then moved down to 25mg, which I continue to take...most 
days...but always 12.5mg per day though:)  Total time elapsed has been 
a couple of years.  I don't think I was as toxic as a lot of folks.


I don't know how to make a comparison between Iodoral and Lugol's 
however. That would require Marshall or someone else:)


When you refer to cysts, I presume you are talking about fibrous cysts?

My wife's fibrous breast cysts melted in about two weeks @50mg/day.

If I have overlooked anything thump me again:)

Regards,

Craig

Shirley Reed wrote:
   Congratulations, Craig!  I am also curious as to your dose.  I 
take 10 drops (at least) of 5% Lugol's every day and frequently 15 or 
more. At 10 drops that gives 650 mgs. per day.  But I am noticing 
that if I stay at that dose for a few days, then cysts begin 
returning, so I guess I will go to 15 drops per day and see what 
happens.  I know I have lots of things to detox from, aluminum being 
one I am very interested in getting rid of.  Loads of mercury too 
from previous dental debacles.  I consider silver fillings to be 
unethical in an absolute sense.I have also noticed that my hair 
grows like crazy so it needs cutting more often. The lady who cuts it 
always remarks about how healthy it is.  I am glad you reported your 
results because extraordinary experiences are often challenged and it 
feels good to have some back-up.  :)   pj





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Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth

[Bob Banever]

TCM stands for Traditional Chinese Medicine.
- Original Message - 
From: Evans, Antonio F. antonio.ev...@va.gov

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: thehatefuln...@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth



what does TCM stand for? Are there TCM Doctors in the Washington, DC
Area?


Kahlito Antonio Evans, Paralegal Specialist
Video Hearing Section,  Room #113 (MPA)
Desk: 202.461.8863 Fax: 202.565.4679

-Original Message-
From: Vigilius Haufniensis [mailto:thehatefuln...@comcast.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 6:31 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth

It results from the depletion of blood and foundational essence, due to
age. 
Treatment can be difficult, but I know of TCM doctors (one in

particular) who has great success with about 50% of cases, the other
cases being not impossible but more difficult to treat.
One of my buddies also said his hair was thinning due to liver fire
rising to his head.  This is due to stress, or anger/frustration.  Liver
fire would be more of an excess condition.  If your face is red and
you're irritable, that sounds like liver fire.



- Original Message -
From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth


What does TCM theory say about male pattern baldness?

Is it considered to be a deficiency or excess condition, or just
something that you live with - like 2 arms, 2 legs, one head, etc?

Dan

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Vigilius Haufniensis
thehatefuln...@comcast.net wrote:

bones and teeth are supported by foundational essence, according to
traditional chinese medicine theory. hair is supported by foundational
essence and blood.


- Original Message - From: sms s...@emotap.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth



Right! According to the article below they prevent and reverse bone

loss.

Did you know?

http://www.osteopenia3.com/Osteopenia-dried-plums.html

While the article is long it is well worth the read. Here is an

excerpt

that
may peak your interest:

SNIP . . . . .Aside from existing drug therapies, certain
lifestyle 

and
nutritional factors are known to reduce the risk of osteoporosis.

Among

nutritional factors, recent observations suggest that dried plum, or
prunes
(Prunus domestica L.) is the most effective fruit in both preventing

and

reversing bone loss. 
Sasha
--- From: Del
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

That's not the only thing they increase!
Del
-- From: Norton, Steve
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH.
Steve N



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Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth

[Vigilius Haufniensis]

It results from the depletion of blood and foundational essence, due to age. 
Treatment can be difficult, but I know of TCM doctors (one in particular) 
who has great success with about 50% of cases, the other cases being not 
impossible but more difficult to treat.
One of my buddies also said his hair was thinning due to liver fire rising 
to his head.  This is due to stress, or anger/frustration.  Liver fire would 
be more of an excess condition.  If your face is red and you're irritable, 
that sounds like liver fire.




- Original Message - 
From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth


What does TCM theory say about male pattern baldness?

Is it considered to be a deficiency or excess condition, or just
something that you live with - like 2 arms, 2 legs, one head, etc?

Dan

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Vigilius Haufniensis
thehatefuln...@comcast.net wrote:

bones and teeth are supported by foundational essence, according to
traditional chinese medicine theory. hair is supported by foundational
essence and blood.


- Original Message - From: sms s...@emotap.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth



Right! According to the article below they prevent and reverse bone loss.
Did you know?

http://www.osteopenia3.com/Osteopenia-dried-plums.html

While the article is long it is well worth the read. Here is an excerpt
that
may peak your interest:

SNIP . . . . .Aside from existing drug therapies, certain lifestyle 
and

nutritional factors are known to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. Among
nutritional factors, recent observations suggest that dried plum, or
prunes
(Prunus domestica L.) is the most effective fruit in both preventing and
reversing bone loss. 
Sasha
--- From: Del
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

That's not the only thing they increase!
Del
-- From: Norton, Steve
Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?

Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH.
Steve N



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