Re: CS>MSM

[sol]

Tony Moody wrote:

Hi Sol,

I say this with the greatest of respect to you. Did you ever find out what the basic cause or 
trigger was to your sensitivities? And what did you do to 'get out' of that situation. 

  

Hi Tony,
  I regret to say I did not get out of the allergy situation. In fact 
this year has been worse than usual, with constant chronic itching and 
parasthesias. Antihistamines were losing effectiveness too. I'm now back 
on fairly high dose cortisol, and that is finally helping.  I've had to 
do several high dose steroid "tapers" this year. I recently stopped my 
thyroid hormone, as I felt it was a source of extra iodine I just can't 
handle right now. And that seems to have helped a lot. I'd rather be 
hypothyroid than have worms and ants crawling under my skin daily.  Not 
to mention the actual itching.
  In other areas my knees are doing great, the arthritic joint nodes in 
my hands are also much smaller. Mostly I sleep better (for me).  My 
peripheral neuropathy is at a low level, no longer disabling.
  I do wonder though if the last injection into my cervical vertebrae 
could be causing the problem I've had this year. It was done nearly 2 
years ago, and I let it be done because I was assured that the iodine in 
the injection would NOT get into the rest of my body. But I now wonder 
if that is strictly true, surely it would "leak" eventually? It was 
supposed to be a very small amount, and I didn't have any reactions 
either immediately or in following months. But something is contributing 
to my bucket now staying close to overflowing constantly, though I don't 
actually even know if it is iodine, nickel, or just too much histamine 
in foods, or something new. I'm just coping the best I can.
  It may be of interest to you that I've been told that iodine allergy 
is not a true IgE allergy, though it does produce mast cell 
degranulation and histamine release by some other mechanism. Because it 
isn't a true IgE reaction it apparently never will go away, as can 
happen with other allergies, and it might even be genetic in nature 
somehow.

sol


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Re: CS>MSM

[Tony Moody]

Hi Sol,

I say this with the greatest of respect to you. Did you ever find out what the 
basic cause or
trigger was to your sensitivities? And what did you do to 'get out' of that 
situation.

Over the years you seemed to try every kind of treatment or protocol and seemed 
to get
slammed by every one of them. I remember a bit that it revolved about iodine 
and that you
found that everywhere and that kept you sensitised.

You 'sound' fine now and I would love to know what got you out of that 
revolving door.

OK,
Tony

On 21 Nov 2012 at 15:09, sol wrote about :
Subject : Re: CS>MSM

> Del wrote:
> > MSM is not a solution for IBS In fact, it may aggravate it.
> It certainly aggravated my IBS-D. There was practically no dose no
> matter how small that didn't set off a big attack of diarrhea. I
> persisted at one point, but never could raise it and it never didn't cause
> diarrhea even after faithful daily use.
>
> My experience with kefir was the same.
> sol
>
> > The solution, based on my experience, is three-fold:
> > 1. Clay – get a high quality clay from this website:
> > http://www.therapy-clays.com/edible-three-clay-blend.php. Start with a
> > teaspoon of clay in four ounces of filtered or purified water twice a
> > day, and increase to as much as a tablespoon in 8oz twice a day. Stir
> > the clay into the water and let it sit for half an hour before drinking.
> > 2. Colon Care – Some people get constipated from clay. Colon Care from
> > Yerba Prima is very gentle, is excellent for the colon in general,
> > prevents constipation, and provides great fiber for colon health.
> > http://www.amazon.com/Yerba-Prima-Colon-Formula-Powder/dp/B0016BJLXO/ref
> > =sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1353523461&sr=8-2&keywords=colon+care
> >  > f=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1353523461&sr=8-2&keywords=colon+care> 3. Live
> > Kefir probiotic – make your own kefir and drink it every day, at least
> > 8 ounces a day. I drink mine in the evening and let it work while I am
> > asleep. You can order kefir grains from Amazon, I did and they work very
> > well. Use organic milk, raw milk if you can get it. We also tried water
> > kefir and Kombucha, but neither of those were near as effective as the
> > kefir.
> > http://www.amazon.com/KEFIR-GRAINS-LIVE-ORGANIC-MILK/dp/B000ZTG4UG/ref=s
> > r_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353523667&sr=1-1&keywords=kefir+grains
> >  > sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353523667&sr=1-1&keywords=kefir+grains>
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Re: CS>tick bite problem

[Lena Guyot]

Not to mention that tests, even if accurate, will cost you time you cannot 
waste in this small window of opportunity while the new infection is still 
acute, rather than going into chronic. In Lyme-dense areas, most docs wil 
simple begin abx, based on yor account of tick-bite, some even without 
bull's-eye rash, which is wisdom considering only 30% of new cases of Lyme 
manifest this sign. L
On Nov 21, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Marshall wrote:

> Don't take no from the doctor.  I got bit by a deer tick with lyme and my 
> doctor refused to prescribe me any antibiotics.  3 years later and $6,000 
> worth of IV's I was able to get it under control.  Don't allow the doctor to 
> "test" for lyme, the tests are incredibly inaccurate, and they will use a 
> false negative to deny you antibiotics.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> On 11/21/2012 8:12 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>> 
>> Go to a doc and get a month of antibiotics.  You can do all this other stuff 
>> as well.  Take lots of probiotics if you take the antibiotics.  They are not 
>> as dangerous as not getting them when you are bitten by a tick.  
>> 
>> I second the CS with DMSO topically.  Since it if in your forearm, I would 
>> make a bath with 90% CS and 10% DMSO and just submerge the whole rash for as 
>> long as you can each day.  
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM, mgperrault  wrote:
>> I would consider godzilla type Zapping, nothing but 6 volt battery with 
>> leads stuck into sponges or whatever.  Beyond that, frequency zapping ala 
>> Hulda Clark and Rife.  Brooks CS with DMSO topically.  Prid drawing salve 
>> from the pharmacy has drawing powers if you leave it on for a few days in a 
>> paste.  Make a salve from bees wax olive or   coconut oil and 
>> oregano oil.  Add lavender oil and clove to it.
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/21/2012 5:31 PM, vicki hood wrote:
>>> Hi all,  Yesterday scraped tick out of my forearm.  It was half embedded.  
>>> Very smalll deer tick.  I have problems.  I drank CS numerous times, washed 
>>> it with alcohol, scratched a lot.  Last night it swelled.  It turned red.  
>>> It hurts and itches in a path 3inches by 6 inches with a hard circle about 
>>> the size of a 50 cent piece at the bite then swelling and heat and red  
>>> that headed upward and sideways from the top of my forearm.  It is hot and 
>>> swollen  ---Still drinking CS. short soak in rubbing alcohol.  Several 
>>> swabs of oil of oregano. Avoiding doctor.  everal years ago i had tick bite 
>>> that had hard, red angry reaction.  Doctor said i am allergic.  Whoa,  
>>> Benedryl?  What do i do?  HELP.  MuttmomVicki
>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 

Re: CS>tick bite problem

[Marshall]

Don't take no from the doctor.  I got bit by a deer tick with lyme and 
my doctor refused to prescribe me any antibiotics.  3 years later and 
$6,000 worth of IV's I was able to get it under control.  Don't allow 
the doctor to "test" for lyme, the tests are incredibly inaccurate, and 
they will use a false negative to deny you antibiotics.


Marshall

On 11/21/2012 8:12 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
Go to a doc and get a month of antibiotics.  You can do all this other 
stuff as well.  Take lots of probiotics if you take the antibiotics.  
They are not as dangerous as not getting them when you are bitten by a 
tick.


I second the CS with DMSO topically.  Since it if in your forearm, I 
would make a bath with 90% CS and 10% DMSO and just submerge the whole 
rash for as long as you can each day.


David

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM, mgperrault > wrote:


I would consider godzilla type Zapping, nothing but 6 volt battery
with leads stuck into sponges or whatever.  Beyond that, frequency
zapping ala Hulda Clark and Rife.  Brooks CS with DMSO topically. 
Prid drawing salve from the pharmacy has drawing powers if you

leave it on for a few days in a paste.  Make a salve from bees wax
olive or coconut oil and oregano oil.  Add lavender oil and clove
to it.


On 11/21/2012 5:31 PM, vicki hood wrote:

Hi all,  Yesterday scraped tick out of my forearm.  It was half
embedded.  Very smalll deer tick.  I have problems.  I drank CS
numerous times, washed it with alcohol, scratched a lot.  Last
night it swelled.  It turned red.  It hurts and itches in a path
3inches by 6 inches with a hard circle about the size of a 50
cent piece at the bite then swelling and heat and red  that
headed upward and sideways from the top of my forearm.  It is hot
and swollen  ---Still drinking CS. short soak in rubbing
alcohol.  Several swabs of oil of oregano. Avoiding doctor. 
everal years ago i had tick bite that had hard, red angry

reaction.  Doctor said i am allergic.  Whoa,  Benedryl?  What do
i do? HELP.  MuttmomVicki





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Re: CS>MSM

[Lena Guyot]

Oh Gary,
From your past posts, you've already demonstrated that you're a nice guy!
I'm just in pain right now, a grumpy, hurting Lyme-vet, nudging a 'newbie'.

And just remember, to pass on what you learn to the rest of us. This isn't a 
one-size-fits-all thing, so most of us have learned to leave no stone unturned 
and appreciate hearing about anything new.

Be well,
Léna
On Nov 21, 2012, at 8:46 PM, Gary Hilt wrote:

> Agree and  understand. i have plenty of time and i do use google a lot. 
> Thanks for putting up with my
> insolence and ignorance. :O) i'll get better...promise
> 
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Lena Guyot  wrote:
> Hi Gary,
>  The best way to vet any idea is to search archives, do your homework, and 
> draw your own conclusions. It's amazing how many people never use google to 
> get more info. Most of us have been sick, have had to do our own homework, 
> and only take the trouble to pass on useful remedies out of kindliness and 
> compassion. (usually also admitting with our info that everyone is different: 
> caveat emptor.)
> 
> I use the phrase 'taking the trouble', as sitting at a computer costs us 
> energy that is generally limited, and we're not about to engage in a major 
> tutorial or case-building for what we've offered. Documentation? I've got 6 
> years of documentation for SO many different things, but with lousy clerical 
> skills, digging it up for a skeptic just isn't in my limited energy schedule, 
> and no, it's not my responsibility.
> 
> I guess what I'm saying is that if something resonates with you, do the 
> substantiating yourself. That's what most of us have had to do, sometimes at 
> great energy expenditure.
> 
> Be well, and be thankful for promising leads,
> Léna
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Gary Hilt wrote:
> 
>> AHHH my bad
>> i appreciate the info but it would help me as i am a bit curious as to the
>> substantiations of anything anyone would offer. i mean just because some one 
>> said they take a certain thing without at least some documentation would be  
>> less than responsible. Do you not agree?
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Craig Chamberlin 
>>  wrote:
>> With all due respect Gary, you came asking for help and you are being 
>> provided with help.  Discounting something that others know about and have 
>> used may result in folks just not helping.
>> 
>> FWIW, These clays are NOT dirt. Read more about it here:
>> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/bgo876l
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>> Gary Hilt wrote:
>>> Well thats not good news about the MSM but i have to tell ya ingesting 
>>> dirt???
>>> i just dont see that happening :O) 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM, sol  wrote:
>>> Del wrote:
>>> MSM is not a solution for IBS In fact, it may aggravate it.
>>> It certainly aggravated my IBS-D. There was practically no dose no matter 
>>> how small that didn't set off a big attack of diarrhea. I persisted at one 
>>> point, but never could raise it and it never didn't cause diarrhea even 
>>> after faithful daily use.
>>> 
>>> My experience with kefir was the same.
>>> sol
>>> 
>>> The solution, based on my experience, is three-fold:
>>> 1. Clay – get a high quality clay from this website: 
>>> http://www.therapy-clays.com/edible-three-clay-blend.php. Start with a 
>>> teaspoon of clay in four ounces of filtered or purified water twice a day, 
>>> and increase to as much as a tablespoon in 8oz twice a day. Stir the clay 
>>> into the water and let it sit for half an hour before drinking.
>>> 2. Colon Care – Some people get constipated from clay. Colon Care from 
>>> Yerba Prima is very gentle, is excellent for the colon in general, prevents 
>>> constipation, and provides great fiber for colon health. 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Yerba-Prima-Colon-Formula-Powder/dp/B0016BJLXO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1353523461&sr=8-2&keywords=colon+care
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 3. Live Kefir probiotic – make your own kefir and drink it every day, at 
>>> least 8 ounces a day. I drink mine in the evening and let it work while I 
>>> am asleep. You can order kefir grains from Amazon, I did and they work very 
>>> well. Use organic milk, raw milk if you can get it. We also tried water 
>>> kefir and Kombucha, but neither of those were near as effective as the 
>>> kefir. 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/KEFIR-GRAINS-LIVE-ORGANIC-MILK/dp/B000ZTG4UG/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353523667&sr=1-1&keywords=kefir+grains
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: CS>tick bite problem

[Lena Guyot]

Hi Vicki,
Sounds like you're doing some smart things, As a chronic Lymie of 45+ years, 
I'm definitely not a fan of abx, but Doxycycline, 6 week's worth, will stop 
acute Lyme (recently bitten) and resolve it if administered right away.

 alldaychemist.com is an offshore source (without a prescription) for generic 
doxy, where I just placed an order for some to have on hand in case any of my 
loved ones are ever bitten. It's a reputable source with good, reliable 
products, very cheap, but shipping is high and not super fast. (Also, they've 
recently switched payment methods from credit cards to money orders and such, 
so less convenient) That's worrisome for your situation. If you can get even a 
couple weeks of doxy from a local doctor until you can get more on your own, 
that's what I would do in your situation. Most docs will prescribe doxy after 
an obvious bull's eye Lyme rash, but not for long enough to truly nip it in the 
bud, as experienced and recognized by most if the Lyme community.
 
Warning: I'm not a doc, only a lymie lab-rat, with no credentials to give 
medical advice, only to share what I've learned and experienced on several Lyme 
groups over 6 years.

Once this bite goes chronic and the pathogens have found their desired hiding 
places, it's a much more complicated, costly, and uncertain health problem that 
I wouldn't wish on anyone. You have a small, very important window of 
opportunity to save yourself years of struggle and heartache. Best of luck.

Be well,
Léna


On Nov 21, 2012, at 7:31 PM, vicki hood wrote:

> Hi all,  Yesterday scraped tick out of my forearm.  It was half embedded.  
> Very smalll deer tick.  I have problems.  I drank CS numerous times, washed 
> it with alcohol, scratched a lot.  Last night it swelled.  It turned red.  It 
> hurts and itches in a path 3inches by 6 inches with a hard circle about the 
> size of a 50 cent piece at the bite then swelling and heat and red  that 
> headed upward and sideways from the top of my forearm.  It is hot and swollen 
>  ---Still drinking CS. short soak in rubbing alcohol.  Several swabs of oil 
> of oregano. Avoiding doctor.  everal years ago i had tick bite that had hard, 
> red angry reaction.  Doctor said i am allergic.  Whoa,  Benedryl?  What do i 
> do?  HELP.  MuttmomVicki

Re: CS>MSM

[cking001]

Mostly back pain and general stiffness.
I'm in my mid seventies...

Chuck
If you lend someone $20, and never see that person again; it was
probably worth it. 
 
On 11/20/2012 9:21:25 PM, Jane MacRoss (highfie...@internode.on.net)
wrote:
> Chuck what do you take it for?
> 
> Jane
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:56 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>MSM
> 
> 
> MSM is one of those things that you have to take ENOUGH of.
> A quarter tsp is going to do NOTHING!
> My maintenance dose is a tablespoon.
> Others take a quarter cupful...
> Use any amount of water necessary...like 8 oz.
> 
> Chuck
> Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.
> 
> On 11/20/2012 2:24:21


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Re: CS>MSM

[Jason R Eaton]

Hi Gary:

It depends upon the clay and the individual.

The three clay blend that was mentioned earlier is a bit more pallatable than 
some clays.  We actually pioneered a method of dry ozonating edible clay to 
improve the taste a bit.

http://www.eytonsearth.org/tecopia-essentia.php

You can view certificate of analysis and clay minerology report on several 
clays we use and study above; usage information is also available.

Clay is actually much more pallatable than MSM (I take about 1/2 cup of MSM 
daily).

Keep in mind that clay is not dirt or mud; when "pure" clay is mixed with 
water, it creates a colloid comprised of minute and highly organized crystals.  
Different clays have different particle characteristics, mineral combinations, 
and particle sizes.  For IBS, the larger smectite particles are ideal, because 
they are not adsorbed into the system, but pass through the stomach and small 
intestine into the large intestine.

Kind Regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
  From: Gary Hilt 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 17:25
  Subject: Re: CS>MSM


  Thanks for your response im not familiar with find any folks of this healing 
knowledge.
  i would like to get this resolved. What makes this clay more palatable. Or 
does it matter? 


  On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Craig Chamberlin 
 wrote:

Yes, if one did not know the person who made the recommendation, but Del is 
well known here and highly respected.  If he made an error in his 
recommendation, there would have been many responses pointing that out FOR you. 
 Its the way it works here.

Craig

Gary Hilt wrote: 
  AHHH my bad 
  i appreciate the info but it would help me as i am a bit curious as to the
  substantiations of anything anyone would offer. i mean just because some 
one said they take a certain thing without at least some documentation would be 
 less than responsible. Do you not agree?







  -- 

  Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord 
Jesus Christ. 
  Gary & Lennie

Re: CS>MSM

[Lena Guyot]

Hi Gary,
 The best way to vet any idea is to search archives, do your homework, and draw 
your own conclusions. It's amazing how many people never use google to get more 
info. Most of us have been sick, have had to do our own homework, and only take 
the trouble to pass on useful remedies out of kindliness and compassion. 
(usually also admitting with our info that everyone is different: caveat 
emptor.)

I use the phrase 'taking the trouble', as sitting at a computer costs us energy 
that is generally limited, and we're not about to engage in a major tutorial or 
case-building for what we've offered. Documentation? I've got 6 years of 
documentation for SO many different things, but with lousy clerical skills, 
digging it up for a skeptic just isn't in my limited energy schedule, and no, 
it's not my responsibility.

I guess what I'm saying is that if something resonates with you, do the 
substantiating yourself. That's what most of us have had to do, sometimes at 
great energy expenditure.

Be well, and be thankful for promising leads,
Léna
On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:53 PM, Gary Hilt wrote:

> AHHH my bad
> i appreciate the info but it would help me as i am a bit curious as to the
> substantiations of anything anyone would offer. i mean just because some one 
> said they take a certain thing without at least some documentation would be  
> less than responsible. Do you not agree?
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Craig Chamberlin 
>  wrote:
> With all due respect Gary, you came asking for help and you are being 
> provided with help.  Discounting something that others know about and have 
> used may result in folks just not helping.
> 
> FWIW, These clays are NOT dirt. Read more about it here:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/bgo876l
> 
> Craig
> 
> Gary Hilt wrote:
>> 
>> Well thats not good news about the MSM but i have to tell ya ingesting 
>> dirt???
>> i just dont see that happening :O) 
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM, sol  wrote:
>> Del wrote:
>> MSM is not a solution for IBS In fact, it may aggravate it.
>> It certainly aggravated my IBS-D. There was practically no dose no matter 
>> how small that didn't set off a big attack of diarrhea. I persisted at one 
>> point, but never could raise it and it never didn't cause diarrhea even 
>> after faithful daily use.
>> 
>> My experience with kefir was the same.
>> sol
>> 
>> The solution, based on my experience, is three-fold:
>> 1. Clay – get a high quality clay from this website: 
>> http://www.therapy-clays.com/edible-three-clay-blend.php. Start with a 
>> teaspoon of clay in four ounces of filtered or purified water twice a day, 
>> and increase to as much as a tablespoon in 8oz twice a day. Stir the clay 
>> into the water and let it sit for half an hour before drinking.
>> 2. Colon Care – Some people get constipated from clay. Colon Care from 
>> Yerba Prima is very gentle, is excellent for the colon in general, prevents 
>> constipation, and provides great fiber for colon health. 
>> http://www.amazon.com/Yerba-Prima-Colon-Formula-Powder/dp/B0016BJLXO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1353523461&sr=8-2&keywords=colon+care
>>  
>> 
>> 3. Live Kefir probiotic – make your own kefir and drink it every day, at 
>> least 8 ounces a day. I drink mine in the evening and let it work while I am 
>> asleep. You can order kefir grains from Amazon, I did and they work very 
>> well. Use organic milk, raw milk if you can get it. We also tried water 
>> kefir and Kombucha, but neither of those were near as effective as the 
>> kefir. 
>> http://www.amazon.com/KEFIR-GRAINS-LIVE-ORGANIC-MILK/dp/B000ZTG4UG/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353523667&sr=1-1&keywords=kefir+grains
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Jesus Christ. 
>> Gary & Lennie
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Jesus Christ. 
> Gary & Lennie
> 

Re: CS>MSM

[Craig Chamberlin]

Look at Jason's post.

Gary Hilt wrote:
Thanks for your response im not familiar with find any folks of this 
healing knowledge.
i would like to get this resolved. What makes this clay 
more palatable. Or does it matter? 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Craig Chamberlin 
> wrote:


Yes, if one did not know the person who made the recommendation,
but Del is well known here and highly respected.  If he made an
error in his recommendation, there would have been many responses
pointing that out FOR you.  Its the way it works here.

Craig

Gary Hilt wrote:

AHHH my bad
i appreciate the info but it would help me as i am a bit curious
as to the
substantiations of anything anyone would offer. i mean just
because some one said they take a certain thing without at
least some documentation would be  less than responsible. Do you
not agree?





--
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Lord Jesus Christ. 
Gary & Lennie

Re: CS>MSM

[Gary Hilt]

Thanks for your response im not familiar with find any folks of this
healing knowledge.
i would like to get this resolved. What makes this clay more palatable. Or
does it matter?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Craig Chamberlin <
craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com> wrote:

> **
> Yes, if one did not know the person who made the recommendation, but Del
> is well known here and highly respected.  If he made an error in his
> recommendation, there would have been many responses pointing that out FOR
> you.  Its the way it works here.
>
> Craig
>
> Gary Hilt wrote:
>
> AHHH my bad
> i appreciate the info but it would help me as i am a bit curious as to the
> substantiations of anything anyone would offer. i mean just because some
> one said they take a certain thing without at least some documentation
> would be  less than responsible. Do you not agree?
>
>
>


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Jesus Christ.
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Re: CS>tick bite problem

[mgperrault]

Part of the tick may still be in your arm.  If you swab directly with 
oregano, you may overdose your skin which could create some of the 
reaction.  Some oils penetrate better than others.  Tea tree, clove, 
lavender penetrate.  Mixing your oregano with jojoba and those other 
oils could be a better way than straight oregano.  I would be tempted to 
keep it cold at first while you zap with a battery.  In a few days, 
alternating heat and cold could be beneficial.  Isopropyl alcohol may 
not be as good as vodka or everclear.  Vitamin C, several grams could be 
good.  If you have respiratory allergic reactions, baking soda and or 
choline may help. If you zapp, be aware that local burns are possible.  
You can feel this happening.  Avoid it by increasing the area of the 
damp sponges/ paper towels or decreasing the voltage.



On 11/21/2012 5:31 PM, vicki hood wrote:
Hi all,  Yesterday scraped tick out of my forearm.  It was half 
embedded.  Very smalll deer tick.  I have problems.  I drank CS 
numerous times, washed it with alcohol, scratched a lot.  Last night 
it swelled.  It turned red.  It hurts and itches in a path 3inches by 
6 inches with a hard circle about the size of a 50 cent piece at the 
bite then swelling and heat and red  that headed upward and sideways 
from the top of my forearm.  It is hot and swollen  ---Still drinking 
CS. short soak in rubbing alcohol.  Several swabs of oil of 
oregano. Avoiding doctor.  everal years ago i had tick bite that had 
hard, red angry reaction.  Doctor said i am allergic. Whoa,  
Benedryl?  What do i do? HELP.  MuttmomVicki

Re: CS>tick bite problem

[Paul Steel]

I agree with Dave a 100%...this is coming from a lymie


 Paul 

 



 From: David AuBuchon 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: CS>tick bite problem
 

Go to a doc and get a month of antibiotics.  You can do all this other stuff as 
well.  Take lots of probiotics if you take the antibiotics.  They are not as 
dangerous as not getting them when you are bitten by a tick.  

I second the CS with DMSO topically.  Since it if in your forearm, I would make 
a bath with 90% CS and 10% DMSO and just submerge the whole rash for as long as 
you can each day.  

David


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM, mgperrault  wrote:

I would consider godzilla type Zapping, nothing but 6 volt battery with leads 
stuck into sponges or whatever.  Beyond that, frequency zapping ala Hulda Clark 
and Rife.  Brooks CS with DMSO topically.  Prid drawing salve from the pharmacy 
has drawing powers if you leave it on for a few days in a paste.  Make a salve 
from bees wax olive or coconut oil and oregano oil.  Add lavender oil and clove 
to it.
>
>
>On 11/21/2012 5:31 PM, vicki hood wrote:
>
>Hi all,  Yesterday scraped tick out of my forearm.  It was half embedded.  
>Very smalll deer tick.  I have problems.  I drank CS numerous times, washed it 
>with alcohol, scratched a lot.  Last night it swelled.  It turned red.  It 
>hurts and itches in a path 3inches by 6 inches with a hard circle about the 
>size of a 50 cent piece at the bite then swelling and heat and red  that 
>headed upward and sideways from the top of my forearm.  It is hot and swollen  
>---Still drinking CS. short soak in rubbing alcohol.  Several swabs of oil of 
>oregano. Avoiding doctor.  everal years ago i had tick bite that had hard, red 
>angry reaction.  Doctor said i am allergic.  Whoa,  Benedryl?  What do i do?  
>HELP.  MuttmomVicki
>

Re: CS>tick bite problem

[David AuBuchon]

Go to a doc and get a month of antibiotics.  You can do all this other
stuff as well.  Take lots of probiotics if you take the antibiotics.  They
are not as dangerous as not getting them when you are bitten by a tick.

I second the CS with DMSO topically.  Since it if in your forearm, I would
make a bath with 90% CS and 10% DMSO and just submerge the whole rash for
as long as you can each day.

David

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:56 PM, mgperrault  wrote:

>  I would consider godzilla type Zapping, nothing but 6 volt battery with
> leads stuck into sponges or whatever.  Beyond that, frequency zapping ala
> Hulda Clark and Rife.  Brooks CS with DMSO topically.  Prid drawing salve
> from the pharmacy has drawing powers if you leave it on for a few days in a
> paste.  Make a salve from bees wax olive or coconut oil and oregano oil.
> Add lavender oil and clove to it.
>
>
> On 11/21/2012 5:31 PM, vicki hood wrote:
>
> Hi all,  Yesterday scraped tick out of my forearm.  It was half embedded.
> Very smalll deer tick.  I have problems.  I drank CS numerous times, washed
> it with alcohol, scratched a lot.  Last night it swelled.  It turned red.
> It hurts and itches in a path 3inches by 6 inches with a hard circle about
> the size of a 50 cent piece at the bite then swelling and heat and red
>  that headed upward and sideways from the top of my forearm.  It is hot and
> swollen  ---Still drinking CS. short soak in rubbing alcohol.  Several
> swabs of oil of oregano. Avoiding doctor.  everal years ago i had tick bite
> that had hard, red angry reaction.  Doctor said i am allergic.  Whoa,
> Benedryl?  What do i do?  HELP.  MuttmomVicki
>
>
>

Re: CS>tick bite problem

[mgperrault]

I would consider godzilla type Zapping, nothing but 6 volt battery with 
leads stuck into sponges or whatever.  Beyond that, frequency zapping 
ala Hulda Clark and Rife.  Brooks CS with DMSO topically.  Prid drawing 
salve from the pharmacy has drawing powers if you leave it on for a few 
days in a paste.  Make a salve from bees wax olive or coconut oil and 
oregano oil.  Add lavender oil and clove to it.


On 11/21/2012 5:31 PM, vicki hood wrote:
Hi all,  Yesterday scraped tick out of my forearm.  It was half 
embedded.  Very smalll deer tick.  I have problems.  I drank CS 
numerous times, washed it with alcohol, scratched a lot.  Last night 
it swelled.  It turned red.  It hurts and itches in a path 3inches by 
6 inches with a hard circle about the size of a 50 cent piece at the 
bite then swelling and heat and red  that headed upward and sideways 
from the top of my forearm.  It is hot and swollen  ---Still drinking 
CS. short soak in rubbing alcohol.  Several swabs of oil of 
oregano. Avoiding doctor.  everal years ago i had tick bite that had 
hard, red angry reaction.  Doctor said i am allergic. Whoa,  
Benedryl?  What do i do? HELP.  MuttmomVicki

RE: CS>tick bite problem

[Bob Banever]

If I were you I’d do two things right away.  Make a paste out of activated
charcoal and tincture of lobelia, echinacia,comfrey, and lobelia
(brownrecluses.com makes a great one).  I’d also apply some electricity.
Get a flashlight battery (not 9 volt, 1 ½ or 3 volt).  Solder two wires to
either end, cut some sponges in 2 inch squares and wrap those sponges around
the two ends of the two wires (after you strip the ends of plastic).  Afix
with a rubber band.  Wet sponges and apply sponges to either side of bite or
one on top and one on the other side of forearm.  Keep in place for 5
minutes then switch sponges and treat for another 5 minutes.  Do this once a
day for the next 3 days.  Apply paste twice a day.  If you can’t get any of
these things, get some baking soda and mix with CS to a paste.  Apply this
in same manner but won’t be as effective as the lobelia tincture.  Good
luck.

 

Bob

 

  _  

From: vicki hood [mailto:mutt...@isp.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 4:31 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>tick bite problem

 

Hi all,  Yesterday scraped tick out of my forearm.  It was half embedded.
Very smalll deer tick.  I have problems.  I drank CS numerous times, washed
it with alcohol, scratched a lot.  Last night it swelled.  It turned red.
It hurts and itches in a path 3inches by 6 inches with a hard circle about
the size of a 50 cent piece at the bite then swelling and heat and red  that
headed upward and sideways from the top of my forearm.  It is hot and
swollen  ---Still drinking CS. short soak in rubbing alcohol.  Several swabs
of oil of oregano. Avoiding doctor.  everal years ago i had tick bite that
had hard, red angry reaction.  Doctor said i am allergic.  Whoa,  Benedryl?
What do i do?  HELP.  MuttmomVicki

CS>tick bite problem

[vicki hood]

Hi all,  Yesterday scraped tick out of my forearm.  It was half embedded.  Very 
smalll deer tick.  I have problems.  I drank CS numerous times, washed it with 
alcohol, scratched a lot.  Last night it swelled.  It turned red.  It hurts and 
itches in a path 3inches by 6 inches with a hard circle about the size of a 50 
cent piece at the bite then swelling and heat and red  that headed upward and 
sideways from the top of my forearm.  It is hot and swollen  ---Still drinking 
CS. short soak in rubbing alcohol.  Several swabs of oil of oregano. Avoiding 
doctor.  everal years ago i had tick bite that had hard, red angry reaction.  
Doctor said i am allergic.  Whoa,  Benedryl?  What do i do?  HELP.  MuttmomVicki

Re: CS>MSM

[Jason R Eaton]

Hi Gary:

There is quite a bit of authentic research material available.  Feel free to 
browse some of it here:

http://www.eytonsearth.org/bentonite.html

There is plenty of great material on our informational website.

I wrote a book about the use of therapeutic clays, which includes the 
publication of several clinical studies which have been done in the past.  

In my experience, all IBS can be managed with informed use of therapeutic clay, 
allowing an individual the chance to actually heal the digestive system... all 
but one (and I have about two decades of research experience with clays).  In 
some very, very rare cases, IBS can be caused by a central nervous system 
disorder that is nuerological in origin.  Other treatment options would have to 
be considered in such a case, as ingesting therapeutic clay would not have the 
desired effect.

Kind Regards,

Jason

  - Original Message - 
  From: Gary Hilt 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 15:53
  Subject: Re: CS>MSM


  AHHH my bad
  i appreciate the info but it would help me as i am a bit curious as to the
  substantiations of anything anyone would offer. i mean just because some one 
said they take a certain thing without at least some documentation would be  
less than responsible. Do you not agree?



  On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Craig Chamberlin 
 wrote:

With all due respect Gary, you came asking for help and you are being 
provided with help.  Discounting something that others know about and have used 
may result in folks just not helping.

FWIW, These clays are NOT dirt. Read more about it here:

http://tinyurl.com/bgo876l

Craig

Gary Hilt wrote: 
  Well thats not good news about the MSM but i have to tell ya ingesting 
dirt??? 
  i just dont see that happening :O) 


  On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 5:09 PM, sol  wrote:

Del wrote:

  MSM is not a solution for IBS In fact, it may aggravate it.

It certainly aggravated my IBS-D. There was practically no dose no 
matter how small that didn't set off a big attack of diarrhea. I persisted at 
one point, but never could raise it and it never didn't cause diarrhea even 
after faithful daily use.

My experience with kefir was the same.
sol


  The solution, based on my experience, is three-fold:
  1. Clay – get a high quality clay from this website: 
http://www.therapy-clays.com/edible-three-clay-blend.php. Start with a teaspoon 
of clay in four ounces of filtered or purified water twice a day, and increase 
to as much as a tablespoon in 8oz twice a day. Stir the clay into the water and 
let it sit for half an hour before drinking.
  2. Colon Care – Some people get constipated from clay. Colon Care 
from Yerba Prima is very gentle, is excellent for the colon in general, 
prevents constipation, and provides great fiber for colon health. 
http://www.amazon.com/Yerba-Prima-Colon-Formula-Powder/dp/B0016BJLXO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1353523461&sr=8-2&keywords=colon+care
 

  3. Live Kefir probiotic – make your own kefir and drink it every 
day, at least 8 ounces a day. I drink mine in the evening and let it work while 
I am asleep. You can order kefir grains from Amazon, I did and they work very 
well. Use organic milk, raw milk if you can get it. We also tried water kefir 
and Kombucha, but neither of those were near as effective as the kefir. 
http://www.amazon.com/KEFIR-GRAINS-LIVE-ORGANIC-MILK/dp/B000ZTG4UG/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353523667&sr=1-1&keywords=kefir+grains
 




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Jesus Christ. 
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Re: CS>MSM

[Craig Chamberlin]

Yes, if one did not know the person who made the recommendation, but Del 
is well known here and highly respected.  If he made an error in his 
recommendation, there would have been many responses pointing that out 
FOR you.  Its the way it works here.


Craig

Gary Hilt wrote:

AHHH my bad
i appreciate the info but it would help me as i am a bit curious as to the
substantiations of anything anyone would offer. i mean just because 
some one said they take a certain thing without at least some 
documentation would be  less than responsible. Do you not agree?

Re: CS>MSM

[sol]

Del wrote:

MSM is not a solution for IBS In fact, it may aggravate it.
It certainly aggravated my IBS-D. There was practically no dose no 
matter how small that didn't set off a big attack of diarrhea. I 
persisted at one point, but never could raise it and it never didn't 
cause diarrhea even after faithful daily use.


My experience with kefir was the same.
sol


The solution, based on my experience, is three-fold:
1. Clay – get a high quality clay from this website: 
http://www.therapy-clays.com/edible-three-clay-blend.php. Start with a 
teaspoon of clay in four ounces of filtered or purified water twice a 
day, and increase to as much as a tablespoon in 8oz twice a day. Stir 
the clay into the water and let it sit for half an hour before drinking.
2. Colon Care – Some people get constipated from clay. Colon Care 
from Yerba Prima is very gentle, is excellent for the colon in 
general, prevents constipation, and provides great fiber for colon 
health. 
http://www.amazon.com/Yerba-Prima-Colon-Formula-Powder/dp/B0016BJLXO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1353523461&sr=8-2&keywords=colon+care 

3. Live Kefir probiotic – make your own kefir and drink it every 
day, at least 8 ounces a day. I drink mine in the evening and let it 
work while I am asleep. You can order kefir grains from Amazon, I did 
and they work very well. Use organic milk, raw milk if you can get it. 
We also tried water kefir and Kombucha, but neither of those were near 
as effective as the kefir. 
http://www.amazon.com/KEFIR-GRAINS-LIVE-ORGANIC-MILK/dp/B000ZTG4UG/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353523667&sr=1-1&keywords=kefir+grains 




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Re: CS>MSM Healing Clay & Diatomaceous Earth

[ZZekelink]

I also use Red Lake Diatomaceous Earth w/ Calcium Bentonite  Clay . I take 
it internally & also give it to our pups...I get mine at  Tractor supply 
farm store... Lois

Re: CS>MSM / therapy Clay

[ZZekelink]

 
In a message dated 11/21/2012 1:51:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
d...@altsystem.com writes:

 
MSM is not a solution for IBS.  In fact, it may aggravate it.
The solution, based on my experience, is three-fold:
1. Clay – get a high quality clay from this website: 
_http://www.therapy-clays.com/edible-three-clay-blend.php_ 
(http://www.therapy-clays.com/edible-three-clay-blend.php) .   Start with a 
teaspoon of clay in four ounces of 
filtered or purified water  twice a day, and increase to as much as a 
tablespoon 
in 8oz twice a day.   Stir the clay into the water and let it sit for half 
an hour before  drinking.
2. Colon Care – Some people get constipated from clay.  Colon Care  from 
Yerba Prima is very gentle, is excellent for the colon in general,  prevents 
constipation, and provides great fiber for colon health. 
_http://www.amazon.com/Yerba-Prima-Colon-Formula-Powder/dp/B0016BJLXO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1353
523461&sr=8-2&keywords=colon+care_ 
(http://www.amazon.com/Yerba-Prima-Colon-Formula-Powder/dp/B0016BJLXO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1353523461&sr=8-2&keywor
ds=colon+care) 
3. Live Kefir probiotic – make your own kefir and drink it every day, at  
least 8 ounces a day.  I drink mine in the evening and let it work while  I 
am asleep.  You can order kefir grains from Amazon, I did and they work  very 
well.  Use organic milk,  raw milk if you can get it.  We  also tried water 
kefir and Kombucha, but neither of those were near as  effective as the 
kefir.  
_http://www.amazon.com/KEFIR-GRAINS-LIVE-ORGANIC-MILK/dp/B000ZTG4UG/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353523667&sr=1-1&keywords=kefir+grains_
 
(http://www.amazon.com/KEFIR-GRAINS-LIVE-ORGANIC-MILK/dp/B000ZTG4UG/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&i
e=UTF8&qid=1353523667&sr=1-1&keywords=kefir+grains) 
 
We have used the above with great success to deal with lifelong IBS  
problems.  Maybe it will work for you if you give it a chance.
 
Del
 
 

 
From: _Gary Hilt_ (mailto:sobertogod1n...@gmail.com)  
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:24 PM
To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com)  
Subject: CS>MSM


 

Hey yall:  
its me again! As you will soon  know i have many issues for my young 65 
years.
i have had a history of IBS  and iother gut issues. i recently had a 
colonoscopy which
yielded absolutely no results  and yeti still have the problem of chronic 
diarrhea.
So 2 weks ago i started taking  MSM 2x a day 1/4 tspn.
i was wondering what the  ingestion of water should be to the intake of 
MSM???
i havnt experienced any  headaches but neither hae i seen any real results 
from the MSM.
ANy thoughts
Thanks   gary

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Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from  the 
Lord Jesus Christ. 
Gary & Lennie
 

Re: CS>MSM

[Del]

MSM is not a solution for IBS.  In fact, it may aggravate it.
The solution, based on my experience, is three-fold:
1. Clay – get a high quality clay from this website: 
http://www.therapy-clays.com/edible-three-clay-blend.php.  Start with a 
teaspoon of clay in four ounces of filtered or purified water twice a day, and 
increase to as much as a tablespoon in 8oz twice a day.  Stir the clay into the 
water and let it sit for half an hour before drinking.
2. Colon Care – Some people get constipated from clay.  Colon Care from Yerba 
Prima is very gentle, is excellent for the colon in general, prevents 
constipation, and provides great fiber for colon health. 
http://www.amazon.com/Yerba-Prima-Colon-Formula-Powder/dp/B0016BJLXO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1353523461&sr=8-2&keywords=colon+care
3. Live Kefir probiotic – make your own kefir and drink it every day, at least 
8 ounces a day.  I drink mine in the evening and let it work while I am asleep. 
 You can order kefir grains from Amazon, I did and they work very well.  Use 
organic milk,  raw milk if you can get it.  We also tried water kefir and 
Kombucha, but neither of those were near as effective as the kefir.  
http://www.amazon.com/KEFIR-GRAINS-LIVE-ORGANIC-MILK/dp/B000ZTG4UG/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1353523667&sr=1-1&keywords=kefir+grains

We have used the above with great success to deal with lifelong IBS problems.  
Maybe it will work for you if you give it a chance.

Del

From: Gary Hilt 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 2:24 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: CS>MSM

Hey yall: 
its me again! As you will soon know i have many issues for my young 65 years.
i have had a history of IBS and iother gut issues. i recently had a colonoscopy 
which
yielded absolutely no results and yeti still have the problem of chronic 
diarrhea.
So 2 weks ago i started taking MSM 2x a day 1/4 tspn.
i was wondering what the ingestion of water should be to the intake of MSM???
i havnt experienced any headaches but neither hae i seen any real results from 
the MSM.
ANy thoughts
Thanks   gary


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Eph 1:2  Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord 
Jesus Christ. 
Gary & Lennie

Re: CS>MSM // Calcium Bentonite clay

[ZZekelink]

In a message dated 11/20/2012 2:24:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
sobertogod1n...@gmail.com writes:
Hey there Gary, Have you tried  Calcium Bentonite  clay ??? Loads of info. 
here--- I've used it a long time --Great for  detox-- make a salve to pull 
out slivers & heal bee stings ,bug bites ,burns  & many more things --  Taken 
internally it is good for diarrhea &  constipation both.. ( probably should 
say it is bad for them cause it doesn't  help them it rids the body of them 
in most cases.. } :-) (( I mix my clay with  Colloidal Silver instead of 
water ))Lois
_Earth  Clinic_ (http://www.ea
rthclinic.com/search.html?cx=partner-pub-2476760853251960:x02k6x73rw9&cof=FORID:10&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=+Calcium+Bentonite+clay
+&sa=Search)another  site---  _Living Clay All Natural  Calcium 
Bentonite Clay_ (http://www.livingclayco.com/livingclay1.html)  
Hey yall: its me again! As you will soon know i  have many issues for my 
young 65 years.

i have had a history of IBS  and iother gut issues. i recently had a 
colonoscopy which
yielded absolutely no results and yeti  still have the problem of chronic 
diarrhea.
So 2 weks ago i started taking  MSM 2x a day 1/4 tspn.
i was wondering what the  ingestion of water should be to the intake of 
MSM???
i havnt experienced any  headaches but neither hae i seen any real results 
from the MSM.
ANy thoughts
Thanks   gary