Re: CSHas anyone made liposomal B-vitamins?
Here is the liposomal forum: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-LET/ Also, Dorothy, are you able to find that liposomal B complex product? I have only personally been able to find b12 liposomal, and it would be great to get other things with it. ~David On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Saralou Pedigo slped...@gmail.com wrote: Doug has a yahoo list that discusses liposomally encapsulating all kinds of things but I'm not where i can give you the link right now. Will do so Tuesday unless someone else does it sooner. Saralou On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Nenah Sylver nenahsyl...@cox.net wrote: ** I was wondering if B-vitamins can be put through the same process as ascorbic acid, with good effect. Has anyone tried it? ** ** Nenah ** ** **Nenah Sylver**, PhD author, *The Rife Handbook* (2009) *Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy* (2004) VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification www.nenahsylver.com; www.rifehandbook.com ** ** -- BREAK ROOM Tax Service Location: 211 Court Street, downtown Decatur ~next to (east) the Post office ~across from (south) the Court House Mail: P O Box 74, Decatur, IN 46733 Email: breakroom.deca...@gmail.com Phone: 260/724-2011 ...render unto Caesar the things that are his, and unto God the things that are God's...
Re: CScs and lyme
Not sure I understand the question. Data about how common lyme is? Or data that CS is good for lyme? Anyway, if you are neither herxing or improving with 24 fl oz of CS, CS is not going to cut if by itself. I think borrelia is at an increased likelihood to not be your main infection if you get so little response from CS. ~David On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.netwrote: ** ** I am currently taking 3 cups per day of 11 PPM and very little herx. I can find no doctor who agrees with taking CS except from Italy. My Lyme doctor who said I have Lyme wants me to get her data as she has had it and both sons have it and her husband has it. ** ** ** ** Do we have a good test for Lyme and I do want doctors to help with the data? ** ** Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net ** **
Re: CScs and lyme
Yes CS has a very real effect on lyme. I think it is the best first line option there is. Remember that 1 antibiotic basically is never enough to beat lyme and co. Have you had significant improvements with CS? If so, CS is therefore effective against lyme complex just based on your case. Effective does not mean the same thing as a sure fire cure. If it is safe, there is nothing to lose by keeping taking it while you add on other treatment. If the question is if CS is safe, the answer is also definitely yes. I have written a huge segment on establishing CS safety: http://scientificliving.net/2011/02/the-ultimate-guide-to-colloidal-silver-colloidal-silver-generators-and-jello-2/#the-safety-of-eis-lv-and-jello It's going through major editing, so if the naming conventions get confusing and seemd screwed up, it is because they are. There are a handful of people on this very forum who CS helped their lyme. Myself included. In fact, if I were to stop CS, the other antibiotics I am taking would not cut it, and some bug would slowly come back and take over. And based on a past 4 month slip up with CS, I think I'd be dead in 6 or 8 months if I stopped CS. CS is literally keeping me alive. ~David On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.netwrote: ** ** Is cs effective for Lyme? I have gone to her for 18 years and was tested for other problems. I had my herx for many days but now less or not as severe. ** ** Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net -- *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, September 02, 2011 8:19 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CScs and lyme ** ** Not sure I understand the question. Data about how common lyme is? Or data that CS is good for lyme? Anyway, if you are neither herxing or improving with 24 fl oz of CS, CS is not going to cut if by itself. I think borrelia is at an increased likelihood to not be your main infection if you get so little response from CS. ~David On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I am currently taking 3 cups per day of 11 PPM and very little herx. I can find no doctor who agrees with taking CS except from Italy. My Lyme doctor who said I have Lyme wants me to get her data as she has had it and both sons have it and her husband has it. Do we have a good test for Lyme and I do want doctors to help with the data? Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net ** **
Re: CSLYME disease
Ya, I got into rife 2.5 years ago. The doug coil is almost universally effective at eliminating the bulk of borrelia organisms in the course of time. But that does not make most lyme patients well. Most lyme patients have multiple infection and multiple complicating conditions. And single frequency machines like the doug coil are very hit and miss (and usually miss) when trying to kill infections other than lyme disease. There are lots of successes with other infections, but those results are hardly repeatable in all others. It is only reliably against borrelia (lyme). I for one believe I got borrelia under control in a couple weeks with the doug coil. It was never a big part of my overall symptom picture. ~David On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:53 AM, brick...@aol.com wrote: ** In a message dated 8/22/2011 7:46:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, aubuchon.da...@gmail.com writes: Bartonella is the main bad guy in my case. On the RIFE list they claim the GB-4000 controls Lyme in 6 months and the Doug Coil in two months. I have the GB-4000 with the MOPA beam ray tube amplifier. I believe the Doug Coil is cheaper. I wanted the same setup that DR Rife was using back in the 1930's when he was curing rabbits of self inflicted cancers, TB and more. His reward was to be prosecuted by the AMA until he was penny less. He won every case but doing so lost all his money. Brickey
Re: CSLYME disease
I went up to 32 oz as herx would permit. I'd o ahead an increase the dose every day until you feel a slight herx. 6 tsp a day is 1 fl. oz. So maybe try 2 oz tomorrow, then 3, then 4, then 6, then 10,...whatever..until you get as high as your willing...say 32 oz. ~David On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.netwrote: ** Did you just go up to 24 oz per day or did you have a schedule? And for how long at 24? ** ** Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address **rsamuelson**2...@cox.net -- *From:* Paul Steel [mailto:pste...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:55 PM *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com** *Subject:* Re: CSLYME disease ** ** I did up to 24 oz's a day for a while ** ** ** ** -- *From:* Rod Samuelson **rod**samuelson**@sbcglobal.net** *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com** *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:53 PM *Subject:* RE: CSLYME disease 6 tsp per day Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address **rsamuelson**2...@cox.net -- *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:47 PM *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com** *Subject:* Re: CSLYME disease How much do you take a day? On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have taken the colloidal silver for 3 months and do not have a herx now. I make my own and the ppm is 22. When can I hope to get better have success on getting better? Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net ** **
Re: CSLYME disease
Oh, I think I stayed at 32 oz for a few weeks. I still take an ounce or two a day, because it still keeps the bugs I've killed from coming back. ~David On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: I went up to 32 oz as herx would permit. I'd o ahead an increase the dose every day until you feel a slight herx. 6 tsp a day is 1 fl. oz. So maybe try 2 oz tomorrow, then 3, then 4, then 6, then 10,...whatever..until you get as high as your willing...say 32 oz. ~David On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: ** Did you just go up to 24 oz per day or did you have a schedule? And for how long at 24? ** ** Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address **rsamuelson**2...@cox.net -- *From:* Paul Steel [mailto:pste...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:55 PM *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com** *Subject:* Re: CSLYME disease ** ** I did up to 24 oz's a day for a while ** ** ** ** -- *From:* Rod Samuelson **rod**samuelson**@sbcglobal.net** *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com** *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:53 PM *Subject:* RE: CSLYME disease 6 tsp per day Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address **rsamuelson**2...@cox.net -- *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:47 PM *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com** *Subject:* Re: CSLYME disease How much do you take a day? On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have taken the colloidal silver for 3 months and do not have a herx now. I make my own and the ppm is 22. When can I hope to get better have success on getting better? Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net ** **
Re: CSLYME disease
I've only killed a fraction of the bugs. There are tons left. Even if there are only a small amount, they can come back. You have to do at least a little maintainance lifelong. CS will kill whatever as long as you get the needed concentration of ions to the needed place. This is not possible with oral CS in my case. Bartonella is the main bad guy in my case. ~David On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 6:58 PM, brick...@aol.com wrote: ** In a message dated 8/22/2011 6:53:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bbane...@earthlink.net writes: If you've killed the bugs, they can't come back. Did you ever hear about Herpes Simplex? No matter how hard I try it is never completely killed. DR Beck said you can kill the bugs in your blood but some hide inside of nerves, eyes, lymph glands and escape the treatment. So repeat treatments are required. Brickey
CSCMO recommendation?
Is their a vegetarion CMO product? I heard some companies have been sued for claiming their's has vegetarian when it was not, so I am leary of claims. Veg or otherwise...is their a good CMO product with several other ingredients too? Like chondroitin, glucosamine, MSM, etc.? ~David
Re: CSIs the list down?
Just curious...what is the meaning of having an ID healthlist? ~Davud
Re: CSLYME disease
How much do you take a day? On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I have taken the colloidal silver for 3 months and do not have a herx now. I make my own and the ppm is 22. When can I hope to get better have success on getting better? ** ** Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net ** **
Re: CSLYME disease
Yes, you need to take at least 8 fl. oz a day, and if needed, even 32 fl oz a day. It's safe. What generator do you use? What color does it come out? ~David On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Paul Steel pste...@yahoo.com wrote: I did up to 24 oz's a day for a while -- *From:* Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:53 PM *Subject:* RE: CSLYME disease 6 tsp per day Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net -- *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:47 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSLYME disease How much do you take a day? On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have taken the colloidal silver for 3 months and do not have a herx now. I make my own and the ppm is 22. When can I hope to get better have success on getting better? Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net
Re: CSLYME disease
I dont know about Paul, but I improved with CS a lot, then platued. I think that CS is very effective against borrelia, and if CS does not get you nearly all the way well, I think it greatly increases the probability that a different bug is your main problem. ~David On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.netwrote: Do you feel better now and 24 oz is 3 glass full’s? How long did you take it as I can make quarts with ease? ** ** Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net -- *From:* Paul Steel [mailto:pste...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:55 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSLYME disease ** ** I did up to 24 oz's a day for a while ** ** ** ** -- *From:* Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:53 PM *Subject:* RE: CSLYME disease 6 tsp per day Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net -- *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:47 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSLYME disease How much do you take a day? On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I have taken the colloidal silver for 3 months and do not have a herx now. I make my own and the ppm is 22. When can I hope to get better have success on getting better? Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net ** **
Re: CSquestion about metallic silver
What about silver compounds? Say you have silver oxide/chloride/hydroxide in the blood...can silver in this bound state also kill germs by the same mechanism as metallic silver? ~David On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Take a look at: http://silver-lightning.com/**research.htmlhttp://silver-lightning.com/research.html Marshall On 8/15/2011 3:08 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: Thanks, I am going to read about this. The term catalytic converter comes up when I google oxidizing catalyst. I may ask more questions later. Interesting I know that ASAP claims their Ag4O4 has catalytic capabilities. Maybe I will figure out what that means soon too. I'm writing an In Vivo section of a CS book, so I really want to get into the fine details. ~David On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com** wrote: Yes, it is an oxidizing catalyst and oxidizes the germ killing it. Essentially the same mechanism as ozone or H2O2 therapy, but is not used up like they are. Marshall On 8/15/2011 1:19 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: Everything I've read that gives a mechanism of action of silver killing germs has to do with an ion...oxidizing a cell wall...electromagnetically scrambling DNA...etc. Is there are known mechanism of action by which metallic silver particles kills germs? ~David On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com** wrote: Sure metal particles can do something. Silver particles are an excellent catalyst, and also kill germs on contact. That is why some water filters have silver metal in them. What particles do NOT do is cause injured cells to revert to stem cells for healing, that is only done by ions. Sputtering, which is how I believe mesosilver is made, produces clumps of silver particles and some silver atoms/ions The atoms can easily be an ion, since they will be in the middle of a plasma, and once they enter the water, can associate with the OH in the water forming ionic silver. Marshall On 8/14/2011 5:05 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: It seems to me that mesosilver particles are metallic silver. Can metallic silver actually yield any silver ions? I can understand how silver hydroxide/oxide/chloride/**citrate/etc can have different tendencies to disassociate in the body, and yield a free silver ion for a time, but how can metallic particles possibly do anything? Could it be that mesosilver's effect is only due to the 20% ions? That would be a ripoff on top of a ripoff. And how do those ions get into the product anyway when there is no electrolysis involved? Or are mesosilver particles somehow coated in a silver compound like silver oxide that can have some tendency to release ions? Working on a CS book, and just want to really give a completely fair view of the in vivo story. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.comsilver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-**off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdevour@eskimo.**commdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestion about metallic silver
I'm speaking not of silver ions that are ultimately liberated from these compounds...but of the silver while it is still in these compounds. So you really think silver can kill germs in this form? ~David On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: ** Ionic forms of silver which these are, are not catalytic. They do kill germs, but it must be by a different mechanism than as an oxidation catalyst. Marshall On 8/18/2011 4:36 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: What about silver compounds? Say you have silver oxide/chloride/hydroxide in the blood...can silver in this bound state also kill germs by the same mechanism as metallic silver? ~David On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Take a look at: http://silver-lightning.com/research.html Marshall On 8/15/2011 3:08 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: Thanks, I am going to read about this. The term catalytic converter comes up when I google oxidizing catalyst. I may ask more questions later. Interesting I know that ASAP claims their Ag4O4 has catalytic capabilities. Maybe I will figure out what that means soon too. I'm writing an In Vivo section of a CS book, so I really want to get into the fine details. ~David On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Yes, it is an oxidizing catalyst and oxidizes the germ killing it. Essentially the same mechanism as ozone or H2O2 therapy, but is not used up like they are. Marshall On 8/15/2011 1:19 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: Everything I've read that gives a mechanism of action of silver killing germs has to do with an ion...oxidizing a cell wall...electromagnetically scrambling DNA...etc. Is there are known mechanism of action by which metallic silver particles kills germs? ~David On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Sure metal particles can do something. Silver particles are an excellent catalyst, and also kill germs on contact. That is why some water filters have silver metal in them. What particles do NOT do is cause injured cells to revert to stem cells for healing, that is only done by ions. Sputtering, which is how I believe mesosilver is made, produces clumps of silver particles and some silver atoms/ions The atoms can easily be an ion, since they will be in the middle of a plasma, and once they enter the water, can associate with the OH in the water forming ionic silver. Marshall On 8/14/2011 5:05 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: It seems to me that mesosilver particles are metallic silver. Can metallic silver actually yield any silver ions? I can understand how silver hydroxide/oxide/chloride/citrate/etc can have different tendencies to disassociate in the body, and yield a free silver ion for a time, but how can metallic particles possibly do anything? Could it be that mesosilver's effect is only due to the 20% ions? That would be a ripoff on top of a ripoff. And how do those ions get into the product anyway when there is no electrolysis involved? Or are mesosilver particles somehow coated in a silver compound like silver oxide that can have some tendency to release ions? Working on a CS book, and just want to really give a completely fair view of the in vivo story. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestion about metallic silver
Everything I've read that gives a mechanism of action of silver killing germs has to do with an ion...oxidizing a cell wall...electromagnetically scrambling DNA...etc. Is there are known mechanism of action by which metallic silver particles kills germs? ~David On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Sure metal particles can do something. Silver particles are an excellent catalyst, and also kill germs on contact. That is why some water filters have silver metal in them. What particles do NOT do is cause injured cells to revert to stem cells for healing, that is only done by ions. Sputtering, which is how I believe mesosilver is made, produces clumps of silver particles and some silver atoms/ions The atoms can easily be an ion, since they will be in the middle of a plasma, and once they enter the water, can associate with the OH in the water forming ionic silver. Marshall On 8/14/2011 5:05 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: It seems to me that mesosilver particles are metallic silver. Can metallic silver actually yield any silver ions? I can understand how silver hydroxide/oxide/chloride/citrate/etc can have different tendencies to disassociate in the body, and yield a free silver ion for a time, but how can metallic particles possibly do anything? Could it be that mesosilver's effect is only due to the 20% ions? That would be a ripoff on top of a ripoff. And how do those ions get into the product anyway when there is no electrolysis involved? Or are mesosilver particles somehow coated in a silver compound like silver oxide that can have some tendency to release ions? Working on a CS book, and just want to really give a completely fair view of the in vivo story. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestion about metallic silver
Thanks, I am going to read about this. The term catalytic converter comes up when I google oxidizing catalyst. I may ask more questions later. Interesting I know that ASAP claims their Ag4O4 has catalytic capabilities. Maybe I will figure out what that means soon too. I'm writing an In Vivo section of a CS book, so I really want to get into the fine details. ~David On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Yes, it is an oxidizing catalyst and oxidizes the germ killing it. Essentially the same mechanism as ozone or H2O2 therapy, but is not used up like they are. Marshall On 8/15/2011 1:19 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: Everything I've read that gives a mechanism of action of silver killing germs has to do with an ion...oxidizing a cell wall...electromagnetically scrambling DNA...etc. Is there are known mechanism of action by which metallic silver particles kills germs? ~David On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Sure metal particles can do something. Silver particles are an excellent catalyst, and also kill germs on contact. That is why some water filters have silver metal in them. What particles do NOT do is cause injured cells to revert to stem cells for healing, that is only done by ions. Sputtering, which is how I believe mesosilver is made, produces clumps of silver particles and some silver atoms/ions The atoms can easily be an ion, since they will be in the middle of a plasma, and once they enter the water, can associate with the OH in the water forming ionic silver. Marshall On 8/14/2011 5:05 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: It seems to me that mesosilver particles are metallic silver. Can metallic silver actually yield any silver ions? I can understand how silver hydroxide/oxide/chloride/citrate/etc can have different tendencies to disassociate in the body, and yield a free silver ion for a time, but how can metallic particles possibly do anything? Could it be that mesosilver's effect is only due to the 20% ions? That would be a ripoff on top of a ripoff. And how do those ions get into the product anyway when there is no electrolysis involved? Or are mesosilver particles somehow coated in a silver compound like silver oxide that can have some tendency to release ions? Working on a CS book, and just want to really give a completely fair view of the in vivo story. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpossible colloidal silver injuries?
The reason I am entertaining them is because of quite recent dates...2004 and 2009. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:32 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that. Here they are: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504 ~David On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to colloidal silver. I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere. Is anyone able to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation Thanks, ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpossible colloidal silver injuries?
Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that. Here they are: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504 ~David On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to colloidal silver. I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere. Is anyone able to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation Thanks, ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpossible colloidal silver injuries? No way ! (Reply)
Agreed. I am just always opened minded to the possibility of an exception. So it sounds like we have opinions about Bowen and Fung, who were the authors of the link I accidentaly pasted! The other links had to do with the injuries. @Tel : Homemade CS since age 10??? Wow. Did you make it by electrolysis back then? ~David On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: I can not stand by and NoT answer this post ! This Bowen guy has the same name as the fruitcake that Sued Dr Clark, and lost! But he kept her busy and distracted for several years! He is a trouble maker funded by the big Cooperations that make Drugs. If the only side effect they can quote is Agra caused by CS then They are really stupid. I have used home made CS since I was 10 years old, and I am 71 now and still use it every day. I have a nice tan but Only my hear is slightly Grey! Do not worry about this post your nervous about, Millions of people are using CS without any side effects at all, It only benefits Their Health. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: Re: CSpossible colloidal silver injuries? The reason I am entertaining them is because of quite recent dates...2004 and 2009. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:32 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that. Here they are: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504 ~David On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to colloidal silver. I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere. Is anyone able to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation Thanks, ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpossible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter
Dude, I'm 100% with you, don't worry. I just don't want to tell people there has never been an injury if it turns out there might have been 1 or 2. It is still inconsequential, but I want to be completely honest and accurate. ~David On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: Wow 2 injuries out of Millions of Users? Guess I don't want to ride in a car anymore? I see wreck reports every day in the newspaper. But I still Drive my car. I also take my Daily dose of Colloidal Silver ! Do not Force a CS scare on this site,, ... you will loose. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:30 PM Subject: CSpossible colloidal silver injuries? Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to colloidal silver. I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere. Is anyone able to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation Thanks, ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpossible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter
That is the obvious most likely scenario, but I'm just trying to do due diligence and see if anyone has access to the study text to confirm. On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen th...@telus.net wrote: do we know if these 2 so called injuries were with the user using colloidal silver made properly? do we even really know they were injured at all from the colloidal silver? I doubt they were if they were using properly made CS... - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:07 PM Subject: Re: CSpossible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter Dude, I'm 100% with you, don't worry. I just don't want to tell people there has never been an injury if it turns out there might have been 1 or 2. It is still inconsequential, but I want to be completely honest and accurate. ~David On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: Wow 2 injuries out of Millions of Users? Guess I don't want to ride in a car anymore? I see wreck reports every day in the newspaper. But I still Drive my car. I also take my Daily dose of Colloidal Silver ! Do not Force a CS scare on this site,, ... you will loose. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:30 PM Subject: CSpossible colloidal silver injuries? Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to colloidal silver. I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere. Is anyone able to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation Thanks, ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPossible colloidal silver injuries.
Thanks for the summary. This is just the info I was looking for. Yup...very clear. Just written by doctors who didn't know anything about silver. ~David On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: A while ago I bought the complete report described in the first link. Myoclonic status epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of colloidal silver. (Death of a 71 year old man. ) The full details are somewhat more complicated than the abstract suggests. As you will see, its barely credible the doctors can even blame colloidal silver for the initial seizure let alone his ultimate death. Heres the sequence of events 1. Man aged about 70 finds out he has prostate cancer. 2. Takes Bicalutamide (a prescribed drug with a few side effects) for 3 months. 3. Following this he tried various nutritional and vitamin supplements, homeopathic remedies such as PC-SPES and essiac tea, and colloidal silver. (It's claimed his CS machine produced 4 litres of 10ppm in 30 minutes). He drinks about one ounce a day for 4 months. (An ounce is a very small amount for many consumers.) 4. Wife and daughter confiscate his CS machine and give it to doctors. (Presumably this ended his CS intake) 5. His prostate antigen level increases so he ceases all non-conventional treatment and undergoes 7 weeks (35 cycles) of radiation therapy. 6. Seizures begin 1 month after radio therapy ceases. (This appears to be about 3 MONTHS AFTER CEASING CS INGESTION) 7. He goes into 'Myoclonic status epilepticus' (a constant seizure) so doctors put him into an INDUCED COMA and pump him with various drugs. 8. Patient deteriorates to a persistent vegetative condition. 9. Patient is shifted to his home town hospital where he dies of PNEUMONIA 5.5 months after seizures begin. (The cause of death is absolutely clear in the report) A quote from the report..His (the patients) extensive investigations (tests), including cranial MRIs, somatosensory evoked potentials, routine and special CSF studies for viruses or other microorganisms, porphyria, Hashimoto thyroiditis, connective tissue disease, and anti-Hu antibodies, WERE NORMAL. Patient’s liver function was also NORMAL. Therefore, we HYPOTHESIZE the patient’s condition was caused by silver toxicity. In other words... We checked everything and the only trace of anything we could find was silver, so we are HYPOTHESIZING the silver (that he stopped taking 3 MONTHS before the seizures!) must have done it! Sorry Mum and Daughter, its not our fault. He had a seizure because of that darned silver! If I was a cynic I could suggest conventional medicine killed him, and colloidal silver became a convenient scapegoat. David (The other one). From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Date: 15 August 2011 6:02:45 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSpossible colloidal silver injuries? Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that. Here they are: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504 ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUsing Electricity from Railroad Tracks to Cure Disease
That may expel parasites. On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: Also, the train can run over your body. On 2011/08/12, at 23:16, Marshall wrote: The trains are electric. The tracks are at ground level, electrically. As the trains move the current goes through the wheels, which make and lose contact, producing spikes on the rails. Since each wheel is on only one of the rails, the spikes one each rail are different. These spikes will tend to apply current through those across the rails which would be similar to what a Clark Zapper applies. This could be very dangerous though, the voltage of the overhead wires is probably over 1,000 volts, and a falling wire, motor failure, lightning strike or derailment could easily put lethal voltage on one of the rails. Marshall On 8/11/2011 10:38 PM, Steve Levine wrote: The old 6v lantern battery with a resistor is the way to go. There is a Yahoo forum called microelectricitygermkiller · Batteries vs Germs that discusses this in depth. Laying on train tracks to get a little juice seems dicey at best. Steve Kathryn Neffn...@swtexas.net wrote: = Thanks for the post, that was very interesting..wonder if it will catch on in other parts of the world that have those kinds of rails. K Neff -Original Message- From: Dan Nave Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSUsing Electricity from Railroad Tracks to Cure Disease From the Dr. Clark Research Association (Hulda Clark) Newsletter. Dan Here is an amusing story that is very interesting for us who are familiar with Dr. Clark's zapper. Apparently, people in Indonesia have taken to zapping themselves across railway tracks because there is an electrical potential between them that will zap the body. They are claiming relief from many ailments! See the report on ABC News here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-03/electricity-therapy/2823200. Amazing how they rave how much it is helping them! But now the authorities want to crack down on this absolutely free remedy. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnewbie
I want to throw out a treatment for breast cancer (and others) called Orasal / salicinium / Glyco-Benzaldehyde's Dr. Forsythe studied this among many cancer patients. He also has done a lot of work with Poly-MVA. The results were quite amazing for many groups, including the breast cancer group. I am not personally a big fan of Poly-MVA, but I would suggest you look into including Orasal in your program: http://scientificliving.net/2010/07/poly-mva-pulls-the-plug-on-cancer/ Also make sure you are taking something (if not several somethings) that correct any hormone sensitivity your cancer has. Silver is a good component in my opinion to include. If you buy a product, I suggest silver 100. I think it is the most cost-effective. Making it is also good. Good luck. My aunt with breast cancer is shaving her remaining hair off today thanks to chemo. I hope you don't have to do there. One cheap supplement I would include is 400mg ubiquinol from Swanson a day (200mg capsules). It is a significant cancer killer that had a study buried: http://scientificliving.net/2011/01/liposomal-ubiquinol-coqh-for-the-treatment-and-cure-of-cancer/ ~David On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:37 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net wrote: Hi, everyone. I am brand new to this site. I have been dx with breast cancer and want to use colloidal silver with my protocol. I have used silver, off on for years but I can't afford the 'good stuff' in the quantities I will need to fight this beast. So... thought I would look into making my own. I am not too mechanical or electrical-minded and would like to know if there are good relatively inexpensive units that can be purchased out there. Also, a good reputable source for the silver wire. I just purchased a book explaining how to build one of these machines.. lost me after the alligator clips..lol. What is the best way to store the silver after mfg? Thank you all for any info you care to share. Lola -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUsing Electricity from Railroad Tracks to Cure Disease
I'm jealous. On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Kathryn Neff n...@swtexas.net wrote: Thanks for the post, that was very interesting..wonder if it will catch on in other parts of the world that have those kinds of rails. K Neff -Original Message- From: Dan Nave Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:11 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSUsing Electricity from Railroad Tracks to Cure Disease From the Dr. Clark Research Association (Hulda Clark) Newsletter. Dan Here is an amusing story that is very interesting for us who are familiar with Dr. Clark's zapper. Apparently, people in Indonesia have taken to zapping themselves across railway tracks because there is an electrical potential between them that will zap the body. They are claiming relief from many ailments! See the report on ABC News here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-03/electricity-therapy/2823200. Amazing how they rave how much it is helping them! But now the authorities want to crack down on this absolutely free remedy. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CShow is mesosilver made
Can someone briefly tell me what kind of process that involves? American Biotech Labs for example has their line of products that they claim is 97% particles by mass, and coated with silver oxide. And by silver oxide, they actually mean Ag4O4 and not Ag2O. They do it by high-voltage AC current electrolysis. This technically makes a true colloidal silver product according to Frank's classification scheme. This is not the same as Frank's process though, right? Mesosilver does not involve electrolysis, correct? ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShow is mesosilver made
And FYI, the product from ABL called ASAP health max 30PPM has a tyndall slightly more than regular EIS, but it is still clear. The average particle size is 10nm. I think there is some unspoken belief that true CS products are never clear, which is not correct based in this. So I think it is most correct to note that color and tyndall are really a function of total particle surface area per volume, which incorporates PPM, particle size, and percentage of particles all at once. ~David On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:22 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone briefly tell me what kind of process that involves? American Biotech Labs for example has their line of products that they claim is 97% particles by mass, and coated with silver oxide. And by silver oxide, they actually mean Ag4O4 and not Ag2O. They do it by high-voltage AC current electrolysis. This technically makes a true colloidal silver product according to Frank's classification scheme. This is not the same as Frank's process though, right? Mesosilver does not involve electrolysis, correct? ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShow is mesosilver made
Also, if ABL products are 97% particles, it seems more useful to compare it to mesosilver than to regular EIS. In vitro this company showed ASAP does better than mesosilver. This could be an indication that the Ag4O4 coat does do something very significant, especially considering that ASAP has far far less surface area than mesosilver to release silver ions off of. http://www.resultsrna.com/products/acs_200_overview.php ASAP 30PPM also does not do anything for me in vivo though. ~David On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:06 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: And FYI, the product from ABL called ASAP health max 30PPM has a tyndall slightly more than regular EIS, but it is still clear. The average particle size is 10nm. I think there is some unspoken belief that true CS products are never clear, which is not correct based in this. So I think it is most correct to note that color and tyndall are really a function of total particle surface area per volume, which incorporates PPM, particle size, and percentage of particles all at once. ~David On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:22 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone briefly tell me what kind of process that involves? American Biotech Labs for example has their line of products that they claim is 97% particles by mass, and coated with silver oxide. And by silver oxide, they actually mean Ag4O4 and not Ag2O. They do it by high-voltage AC current electrolysis. This technically makes a true colloidal silver product according to Frank's classification scheme. This is not the same as Frank's process though, right? Mesosilver does not involve electrolysis, correct? ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSautohemotherapy and immune boosting
Ya, that is called autohemotherapy and is similar to things I've done, but less. ~David On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: David, Some time ago I read about a procedure where they extracted a syringe full of blood and injected this intramuscularly. This really revved up the immune system. You might search for this. I will see if I can find where I read it. Dan On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:04 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Adding on to a thread from a year ago on autohemotherapy...I can't directly reply to that thread unforunatately, as I can't find it in my gmail: I just read of a doctor's experience with 50 patients of various diseases using a particular colostrum product, derived from cows that had been immunologically activated prior to giving birth, by a proprietary process. Within 8 months, NK cell activity as measured by something called lytic units increased by about a factor of 13 (i.e. 1,200%). The increase was evenly spread out across all the months. There are 2 other colostrum products out there I really like also, and I think it is possible they work just as well, and I may try all three of them for myself someday. Transfer factors (a part of colostrum) as well as ordinary whole colostrum have been shown to increase NK cell activity, though perhaps not as much as this particular product. Of course this begs the question what are macrophages, NK cells, etc, and what does increasing their activity really mean in terms of their units of measurement. I have tried major ozone autohemotherapy...with 3 back to back passes in the same sitting with the maximum recommended ozone (200 cc at 70 gamma syringe injected into the blood per pass)and no result. Also tried ultraviolet blood irradiation with no result. A couple more suggestions I have for possible autohemotherapy experiments. It is clear to me that the ozone neither killed a significant amount of bacteria in my blood or created a significant immune response...most probably bartonella being the most prominent bug. Biofilm is one possibility why. CS has in dental and waste water applications demonstrated anti biofilm properties. This makes me think of a couple experiments: 1. Draw some blood in a syringe preloaded with some CS. Perhaps only a few drops of blood. Perhaps let it stay for like a day outside in the fridge. Then re-inject. Time is needed to degrade biofilm and guarantee bugs are killed and protein fragments are left for the immune system to recognize. This may a bad idea for a few reasons. One is CS in high concentrations contacting blood perhaps may damage other things than bugs (i.e. the blood cells)? And putting those damaged things back in the body will be a toxic burden that needs to be eliminated? Two is that I don't know what consequences letting the blood stay out of the body for a time would have. Three is that injecting CS hurts like hell and makes the injection site swell. 2. Take a finger prick and a few drops of blood, mix it into an ounce of CS. Let it sit for a day in the fridge. Consume orally. Could also be a bad idea for the same reasons. Another therapy from Dr. K for treating lyme is as follows: A very effective and yet simple technique to re-regulate TH1 and TH2 back is auto-urine therapy. The patient's urine concentrates the antigens (disposed cell walls and cell fragments of offending microbes which the immune system has successfully eliminated). By passing the client's urine through a micro pore filter and injecting it intra-muscularly, the lymphocytes on patrol in the connective tissue are brought in contact with the antigen and quickly mount a specific and appropriate immune response. We use 2 ml of filtered urine once weekly for 12 weeks. All other similar approaches (autohemotherapy, homeopathic autonosodes, manipulating the immune system with supplements) are far less effective. Just thinking out loud. Ya, I am stupid and reckless, but also desperate to get well, so I would like to entertain some stupid ideas if y'all don't mind. Not that I am seriously considering them though. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSathletes' foot
Barwick has some photos - I think on his facebook group - of someone who took care of some fungal something on their foot if I remember correctly. ~David On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Steve G chube...@yahoo.com wrote: Apparently CS can be used effectively on athlete's foot according to Steve Barwick, author of the 'Ultimate Colloidal Silver Manual.' I have never heard of this guy before googling your question. And, I've never attempted to address fungal infections with it. I've had great success treating athlete's foot with tea tree oil applied once or twice a day with a Q-tip. --- On *Thu, 8/4/11, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net* wrote: From: Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net Subject: CSathletes' foot To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 10:06 PM Will cs help with athlete fungus? Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net
Re: CSlupus
I'll say its either infection of food allergies. ~David On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: Has anyone any information or experience of the above please? A friend has this and I was wondering if there is any help for it. Many thanks. dee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSautohemotherapy and immune boosting
Adding on to a thread from a year ago on autohemotherapy...I can't directly reply to that thread unforunatately, as I can't find it in my gmail: I just read of a doctor's experience with 50 patients of various diseases using a particular colostrum product, derived from cows that had been immunologically activated prior to giving birth, by a proprietary process. Within 8 months, NK cell activity as measured by something called lytic units increased by about a factor of 13 (i.e. 1,200%). The increase was evenly spread out across all the months. There are 2 other colostrum products out there I really like also, and I think it is possible they work just as well, and I may try all three of them for myself someday. Transfer factors (a part of colostrum) as well as ordinary whole colostrum have been shown to increase NK cell activity, though perhaps not as much as this particular product. Of course this begs the question what are macrophages, NK cells, etc, and what does increasing their activity really mean in terms of their units of measurement. I have tried major ozone autohemotherapy...with 3 back to back passes in the same sitting with the maximum recommended ozone (200 cc at 70 gamma syringe injected into the blood per pass)and no result. Also tried ultraviolet blood irradiation with no result. A couple more suggestions I have for possible autohemotherapy experiments. It is clear to me that the ozone neither killed a significant amount of bacteria in my blood or created a significant immune response...most probably bartonella being the most prominent bug. Biofilm is one possibility why. CS has in dental and waste water applications demonstrated anti biofilm properties. This makes me think of a couple experiments: 1. Draw some blood in a syringe preloaded with some CS. Perhaps only a few drops of blood. Perhaps let it stay for like a day outside in the fridge. Then re-inject. Time is needed to degrade biofilm and guarantee bugs are killed and protein fragments are left for the immune system to recognize. This may a bad idea for a few reasons. One is CS in high concentrations contacting blood perhaps may damage other things than bugs (i.e. the blood cells)? And putting those damaged things back in the body will be a toxic burden that needs to be eliminated? Two is that I don't know what consequences letting the blood stay out of the body for a time would have. Three is that injecting CS hurts like hell and makes the injection site swell. 2. Take a finger prick and a few drops of blood, mix it into an ounce of CS. Let it sit for a day in the fridge. Consume orally. Could also be a bad idea for the same reasons. Another therapy from Dr. K for treating lyme is as follows: A very effective and yet simple technique to re-regulate TH1 and TH2 back is auto-urine therapy. The patient's urine concentrates the antigens (disposed cell walls and cell fragments of offending microbes which the immune system has successfully eliminated). By passing the client's urine through a micro pore filter and injecting it intra-muscularly, the lymphocytes on patrol in the connective tissue are brought in contact with the antigen and quickly mount a specific and appropriate immune response. We use 2 ml of filtered urine once weekly for 12 weeks. All other similar approaches (autohemotherapy, homeopathic autonosodes, manipulating the immune system with supplements) are far less effective. Just thinking out loud. Ya, I am stupid and reckless, but also desperate to get well, so I would like to entertain some stupid ideas if y'all don't mind. Not that I am seriously considering them though. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBuying Generator
I think particle size really only weighs in when concerned about long
term risk of argyria, and not really to do with effectiveness (and it
really isn't even that concerning with regards to argyria risk
either). Perhaps this may not be true with viruses, just based on
those in vitro studies that show 10nm size or less was needed to
inhibit HIV replication. Nonetheless, if all things were equal, I
would still prefer smaller rather than larger particles.
~David
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
This is what happens when money is involved, and people believe whatever
appears to be written better than another published blurb.
Everyone has the best unit on the market, and each of those units will
produce the best product, smallest particles, crystal clear solution, blah
blah, and anything and everything else is rubbish or poor qualityBunkum!
Any wonder this stuff gets a bad rap, marketers competing for that dollar,
and then regulations start raising their ugly heads over the horizon.
They all produce the same stuff, and if nothing is pulled out of solution by
gravity over time, then that product is as good as it's gunna be.
Particle size and solution colour are but two half truths that get bandied
about. It's going to be efficacious regardless of 'supposed?' particle size
and colour of solution.
People should ignore published blurbs and just decide for themselves which
manufacturers unit they wish to purchase on the merit of the manufacturer
not the machine. All machines produce similar stuff. Although I make my
own units, the better way to make that decision is by speaking with people
who are willing to discuss it more honestly and openly without trying to
push anything or showing pretty pictures of lab results. Those pics are
taken from a 'glass slide', and do those pics represent the distribution of
silver in the entire solution, or just the best looking part of that
solution, or even when that solution was tested after cessation of
production?
If 'x' unit functions as it should, the resultant product will be as good as
it can be, and word will spread, and that/those manufacturer/s will be
guaranteed repeat business, with a reputation to go with that business.
And THIS site is where I'd start looking for honesty an reputation.
{opinion, and excluding myself of course as I speak for myself only}
N.
From: msad...@msadams.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CSBuying Generator
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:11:18 -0500
Question is not what it costs to make. Question is whether someone is
willing to pay that amount to get the product it turns out. For me it was
worth it enough to buy 4 units. Granted I got a discount on the follow-up
units as a repeat customer.
I too wish it was priced lower. It’s a very effective design and that's
what
we are paying for, the inventor's R D.
-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 1:01 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSBuying Generator
The Meissner research generator would be a good value if it
sold for about $20.
Granted, some thought has been put into it, but it is merely
a resistor and batteries with silver electrodes.
Overpriced at $200.
Dan
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Scott Adams
msad...@msadams.com wrote:
I have four of the Meissner Industries units and I am very
happy with them.
According to the lab reports on the web site its claimed to
make some
of the smallest particles of CS. Takes about 3 days to make a half
gallon batch.
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Re: CSasthma
Sorry, I have not heard of this, but am glad it is helping you. Those improvements are quite impressive for breathing exercises. I would still encourage you to pursue things that could potentially remove a root cause of the asthma, as opposed to manage. Nebulized colloidal silver, liposomal colostrum, food allergy elimination, and liposomal glutathione would be my suggestions. I used to take albuterol, advair, and singulair...not entirely sure how I got off of them, but I did...must have partially outgrown it or something. ~David On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Kathy Tankersley babychicks...@gmail.com wrote: Back in March of this year I started the Buyeko breathing method for my asthma. I am much better, with a big difference the first week. I went off steroids, I was using my albuterol mist machine 4 times a day, the rescue inhaler, 4-5 times a day, Advair, singular.I haven't used the albuterol mist machine for some time, the rescue inhaler maybe 1 every day or two, I still take advair and singular, but am looking to get off the advair hopefully. I'm much much better, still cannot run a race, but I can take walks, and work in my flowers, and do my housework. I'm 73 and thankfull for eveery breath I take. What I'm wanting to know is: Is there anyone else that has had an experience with this method? I'd like to hear from you. Kathy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSrequest
Definetely helps lyme usually. I would work up slowly to 8 fl oz a day, at at pace that causes me no unpleasant herxes. ~David On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Rod Samuelson rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Basics on using colloidal silver: How much should I take daily? Does it help against Lyme disease? The we b says it does but I need more info than the web. Rod Samuelson 860-881-3734 cell new email address rsamuels...@cox.net -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFluoride q's
I might suggest searching mercola.com for fluoride. He probably links to many things. I think one interesting point he mentioned in a video is that the serving size of tooth paste that we put on our brush is like 25 times what is recommended on the bottle. On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: Hi All, Does anybody have any documentation (scientific) that points to fluoride as NOT being good for you. I’ve switched dentists and he is quite receptive and actually listens quite well. I’d like to offer up something for him that shows just how bad fluoride is (he agrees to the extent where too much fluoride is bad for you). If anybody’s got any documentation/papers etc., that I could point him to – I’d really appreciate it. TIA. Lisa -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAgO4 is the ingredient in Guardian Silver Sol
Or so their website claims. This is the only Ag4O4 product I have heard of on the market. Anyone have experience with this chemical and how it differs from EIS? http://www.guardiansilversol.com/what-is-silver-sol/colloidal-silver/ If I recall, I read somewhere it is hard on the liver or kidneys. The say it recharges itself to kill more bacteria (whatever that means). They say the silver ions that somehow or the other results from this compound are missing two electrons, and not one. They say this is due to some high voltage something or the other they use when making it. I do not see any info on this product in Frank's product report page. This was also the chemical that was used in that breast cancer study. Thinking of giving it a try for my probable unkillable bartonella. ~David
Re: CSAgO4 is the ingredient in Guardian Silver Sol
What confuses me is that American Biotech labs told me they don't have Ag4O4 in their products, but if I am not mistaken, ABL also makes guardian silver sol? It is one we made but not one we actually manufacture. The only ones you will find are the supplements at the health foods stores under Silver Biotics or ASAP Solution. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAgO4 is the ingredient in Guardian Silver Sol
And then, the maker of Oxysilver (a Dr. Len Horowitz), says that they ripped off his product (which may imply oxysilver is also Ag4O4). He says that ABL, and its like 7 or 8 different names of silver products that it sells on various websites are a government scam to manipulate the growing interest in colloidal silver for various purposes. He says the FDA seems to allow them make claims, while they cracked down on his product. (I did in fact see blatant claims against tons of illnesses on one of their sites that I checked. In one of their videos, they state that they are allowed to make claims because they have filed a patent...that is not how it is supposed to legally work though as far as I know!) . http://web.mac.com/len15/SilverSolFraud/SilverSolFraud.com.html He says the frequencies in the silversol products may cause cancer and that it is a depopulation scheme to take out the natural health oriented people who are the ones who tend to talk about depopulation conspiracies, etc. Man...I'm just trying to try a new silver product that won't give me cancer and be certain it is something I have not tried before (Ag4O4). Not sure what to think of this particular mudslinging. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAgO4 is the ingredient in Guardian Silver Sol
(sorry if this message was duplicated) I don't think the breast cancer study used argentyn. Maybe were talking about different studies. This quote says Ag4O4: Thirty Central American female patients, diagnosed with breast cancer by an oncologist utilizing mammograms and biopsies, comprised a subject group 32 to 52 years of age. Each received a single intravenous dosage of silver-oxide-hydrosol ([Ag.sub.4][O.sub.4]) to achieve a blood plasma concentration of 10 ppm. The 30 subjects were equally divided by three histologic groups: infiltrative canalicular breast carcinoma (Group I), ductile carcinoma, medular breast cancer (Group II), and infiltrative lobular breast cancer (Group III). The dose was administered to 50% of the patients over ten minutes and to the other 50% over four hours within each respective group. (33) http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/cancer-silver-infection.html Someone from ABL responded to my emails: All of our products are made with our patented SilverSol Technology®,which consists of 3 to 5 nanometer sized metallic silver particles, each with its own thin skin of Ag4O4. Utilizing any of our products would give you its benefits. You can purchase it in most health food stores and online under the name Silver Biotics®. It also comes in a gel form under the name ASAP Ultimate Skin Body Care Gel®. Though Frank's reports show ASAP products are not that small particles. Anyway, I think I'll give a bottle of Silver Biotics a whack. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS OT: HELP: Hazarous Smart Meters!
Earthing is a new fad you could say that is believed to shield you from EMF. It is cheapt to implement. I heard from 3 or 4 lymies who reported better sleep with it actually. I have lyme (probably bartonella is the issue) but personally have not noticed anything from doing earthing. Earthing means putting yourself in electrical contact with the ground. You do this while you sleep by using electrically conductive fabric for bedding. Then you run a wire from that fabric and that wire plugs into the wall. Your body touches the fabric, which touches the wire, which touches the wall socket, and part of the electrical stuff in the wall socket actually leads to the ground. You can buy premade kits for earthing, but it is cheapest to implement your own setup by purchasing components from lessemf.com. I sleep on a homemade electrically grounded pillowcase for example. ~David On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:31 PM, jenny goodhealth jenny_goodheal...@yahoo.com wrote: Mine looks digital with Smart Metere written on it, which was installed by PGE technician. Hope this help. Jen - --- On *Wed, 6/29/11, Shar fire888ea...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Shar fire888ea...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CS OT: HELP: Hazarous Smart Meters! To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 12:47 AM What does the smart meter look like? How does it distinguish itself from the regular meter? Is it digital? I just had my meter changed by electricians that redid my wiring and it looks like the same meter, hoping it's not a smart meter Shar On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.comhttp://us.mc1201.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: They should be able to cover the wall or the floor in question with a metallic screen which is grounded to attenuate the signal coming into their area... Dan On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.comhttp://us.mc1201.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: ** This has been discussed fairly extensively on the eso_healing list. There are steps some are taking to counteract these adverse affects, and those listed below match what others are saying almost precisely. It is, from some reports like WiFi, but much worse. Marshall On 6/26/2011 8:09 PM, Dan Nave wrote: What is it that you think the smart meters are doing? Dan On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:43 PM, jenny goodhealth jenny_goodheal...@yahoo.comhttp://us.mc1201.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jenny_goodheal...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear all, Last week, a friend of mine complained to me that she has gotten very sick (fatigue, headache and tennitis) from PGE recent installed 7 smart meters in her apartment complex. The smart meters are just on the wall next to her stuido apartment. I also just realize that PGE has also installed 35+ smart meters in the meter room which is just 2 levels below my apartment since Nov, 2010. The meter room is 2 levels below the left end of my livng room while my bedroom is on the right end. My bedroom is about 16 feet away from left end of my living room. So far, I can't tell whether I have had any adverse effects from the smart meters as I have been recovering from lyme mycoplasma infections whose symtoms are similar to the radiaton effects of the smart meters incluidng fatigue, headache and tennitis. I have been having these symptoms for years and started ozone treatment 3 months ago which has gotten me better. Well, moving is my last resort as I have limited resources, without family in the U.S. and I am still trying to recover. Please advise on how to protect myself. Are there any proven, effective EMF radtiation proctection devices in the market. I also heard that there is some sort of EMF protection paint we can use to paint our apartment with but I am unsure its effectivenss. Pls. advise. Thanks. Jen -
Re: CSChemo and silver?
I know of 1 study where 30 cases of breast cancer were remitted with a silver compound: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_274/ai_n16359688/ Though I doubt the person on the phone knew anything about it. ~David On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: She was lying to get your interest and/or support? dee On 25 Jun 2011, at 13:44, Neville Munn wrote: While I'm here praps someone could answer this for me. I had someone ring a while ago asking for a donation to some cancer research mob. I told the lady that they don't look for cures, they only look for more treatments, and besides, I take my own anti cancer medication. She asked what that was and I told her 'silver', she said that silver was included in the chemo treatment for cancer. My question is, does anyone know anything about this? I googled and found nothing relating to chemo and silver. N. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPLEASE HELP ME! strange back pain which always changed position
Hi Niketa, I thought lyme disease even before I read he had a tick bite. Migrating pain is consistent with Lyme. How much CS does he take a day? He may want to take much more if he only takes a little. Maybe like 8 fl. oz. a day I would say is good, which would require making it at home for financial feasability. The nutramedix herbs are very good for lyme. I know that at least Samento does cause encysting of lyme, and maybe some of the others do. None the less, Samento is a fabulous tool to have against Lyme disease. Has he taken Samento, and if so, can he correlate his symptoms with times he stopped taking Samento (i.e. the dormant bugs come out again)? ~David On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:28 AM, PTF ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: You might want to try an acupuncturist or someone who is trained in NAET or some other kind of allergy elimination technique in case it is a result of an allergic reaction to the medications. You say it is painful to touch but is it better with more pressure? PT - Original Message - From: NikitaB niki...@telfort.nl To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 1:17 PM Subject: CSPLEASE HELP ME! strange back pain which always changed position This is my first question on this forum and I hope there is somebody who has experience with the following problem. My father is 91 years of age and has always been fairly healthy. The last few years he is always very exhausted. Approx. 20 years ago he has been bitten by a tick and therefore he follows a homeopathic cure of NutraMedix products and takes daily home made CS. Two month ago he got a strange back pain which always changes position. It started 4 inches above the perineum on the left side of the backbone. Then the pain moved up to below the left shoulder blade, then to the right side of the backbone below the shoulder blade. Currently around the backbone to about 4 inches left and right and covers an area up to 12 inches. Father has also the same pain on his left breast and got finally a similar pain in his right breast. This area is so sensitive that even the softest touch results a lot of pain. It is also noteworthy that if you gently rub this area the pain diminishes somewhat slowly. Getting up from his bed and movement is very painful and to ease the pain somewhat he needs to take at least 3x 2 paracetamol tablets daily. To ease the pain we are putting now something on his back that stimulates blood circulation and gives a warm feeling. With this all he can have lots of warmth on his back and therefore he is now sleeping on a double wool blanket which feels incredibly hot with summer temperatures. My father has Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease and has been checked by our doctor and in the hospital where they also took some lung photo's. Both doctors say father is very healthy for a man of his age. The solution of the doctors for the pain is either paracetamol or some codeine product. According to a physiologist his muscles in his back are slightly swollen. Massaging the back will give some pain relief for a just a moment. Could this pain be a result of some parasites of Lyme disease? I myself think it has something to do with muscles. Somewhere in February father got Alendronic Acid 70 mg 1x a week together with daily a calcium/D3 tablet for reinforcement of his bones. After that moment he experienced strange sensations in his legs and muscles. Now these two drugs have been stopped. Does somebody of this forum recognize these symptoms? If you know a good solution for this problem please send me a message! Thank you very much in advance for your kind help. Nikita Bohnen The Netherlands -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS silver,gold,titanium w/ozone injection cures lyme mycoplasma
I have thought that if people had ports that daily injections of CS would be very helpful along with whatever antibimicrobials people are taking. I know of a couple lyme clinics where high PPM silver protein was injected on people, and the results were very good according to the clinics. I also had similar treatment, but did not get any results really. I also have recently experimented with parental injections of a 100PPM silver product, without any results. My case is I think is stubborn bartonella. I have also read a handful of testimonials of IV CS working well for lyme. ~David On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:20 PM, jenny goodhealth jenny_goodheal...@yahoo.com wrote: I am currently investigating the effects of daily injection of 10 ppm silver, gold, titanium w/ozone to cure lyme mycoplasma. Does anyone have any info? Or do you know/know of any good yahoo support groups /websites/youtube videos discussing this? Thanks. Jen -
CSwhat is in ACS 200?
http://www.resultsrna.com/products/acs_200_overview.php They claim 200PPM. Frank tested it and measured 60PPM and classified it as ionic silver. How can they achieve such a high PPM? Adding electrolytes to the brew perhaps? And what is the gimmick behind what they call wetter water?: Far beyond ‘colloidal silvers’ in performance, ACS 200® provides 200 parts per million of uniquely energized silver molecules, which are suspended in “wetter water”®; a proprietary micronutrient transport medium that is 43% lower in surface tension, enabling rapid penetration through all biological systems. ~David
Re: CSaneurism
This Eidon product has WAY more silica than BioSil, which is the only other product I know of that claims bioavailable silica. And this is cheaper too! On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:50 PM, jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Not a good idea. Cold beverages are fine but mixing with hot is not. Jaxi On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Smitty papad...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Could I use it in morning coffee ? On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: I usually use about a rounded tablespoon, daily. Léna On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:32 PM, Smitty wrote: How much DE do you use in your smoothies ? Smitty On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.comwrote: Thanks Jaxi, I know someone who extolls the virtues of some extremely costly silica powder, but I've settled for using DE in my smoothies, as well as the dog's food. Be well, Léna On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:21 PM, jaxi wrote: Yes. It is very high in silica. Jaxi On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.comwrote: Is food grade diatomaceous earth a helpful source of silica? Be well, Léna On Jun 6, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Few are aware that the mineral silica contributes greatly to the pliability of many body structures. Many know it helps the appearance and strength of skin tissue, but it gives flexibility to arteries, veins, and capillaries also. The quickest acting supplement that I know of is the silica concentrate from www.eidon.com It took only 2 days before I was definitely aware that pliability was increasing in my body. Best wishes, pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribesilver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT Chemo advice please?
micelles are like liposomes but generally smaller if I understand correctly. They will be the best absorbed and target the cancer I think. THe Vit D spray you are mentioning may be liposomal, which is also just as good. On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: just an added thought here. What about the spray Vit D3? This is what I use as its supposed to be the most bioavailable source. dee On 25 May 2011, at 03:48, David AuBuchon wrote: It is so ridicuulous...basically any natural supplement has more chance of improving chemo than not...it is that ridiculous. If you just threw darts at a board you'd do well. Some of the better ones I would take are: liposomal vitamin C...like 10 grams a day liposomal ubiquinol (from epic health)...like 400mg a day samento from nutramedix...like 30 drops twice a day Heavy Metal Detox (HMD) ...its a chlorella and other stuff tincture...whatever the bottle says If you can afford it...take LifeOne liposomal cocktail. Passion4Life is my favorite multivitamin at present...take like 4 times the recommended Micellized Vitamin D3 from Klaire Labs...like 10,000 units worth a day -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT Chemo advice please?
It is so ridicuulous...basically any natural supplement has more chance of improving chemo than not...it is that ridiculous. If you just threw darts at a board you'd do well. Some of the better ones I would take are: liposomal vitamin C...like 10 grams a day liposomal ubiquinol (from epic health)...like 400mg a day samento from nutramedix...like 30 drops twice a day Heavy Metal Detox (HMD) ...its a chlorella and other stuff tincture...whatever the bottle says If you can afford it...take LifeOne liposomal cocktail. Passion4Life is my favorite multivitamin at present...take like 4 times the recommended Micellized Vitamin D3 from Klaire Labs...like 10,000 units worth a day Basically anything that improves chemo, ends up treating cancer by itself anyway. For example, here is all stuff that protects from radiation: http://scientificliving.net/2011/03/36-supplements-to-protect-yourself-from-radiation/ Most of those will also apply to chemotherapy. ~David On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Del d...@altsystem.com wrote: Kirsteen: I am no expert, but I have done a lot of research on cancer for my sister and we have a friend on chemo who has also given us good information. Basically, chemo trashes your immune system, so you have to take supplements that will fortify you. The most important one we have found is IP6-Inositol. Please read this article for information on IP6: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/133/11/3778S.full Our friend with cancer was told by her doctor to take this while on chemo to keep her immune system working. My wife and I started taking it every day just to strengthen our immune systems, and my health has shown a visible improvement since. For cancer patients, they recommend two scoops of the powder per day, but I can’t tolerate the powder, so I take the capsules – it takes 16 capsules to equal two scoops, but I only take four to eight per day. You should also be taking a minimum of 5000 IU of Vit D3 per day and as much Liposomal C as you can tolerate, which you can buy from Livon Labs or make it yourself according to the Brooks Bradley method (well documented on this list). Here are some resources for those: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/03/10/what-dose-of-oral-vitamin-d-do-you-need-to-prevent-cancer.aspx http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi144.html You should also consider LDN (low dose naltrexone) to strengthen your immune system, especially as regards lymphedema, since you will have lymph glands removed – see the following: http://whitakerwellness.com/our-therapies/low-dose-naltrexone/content/story/Improvements-in-Lymphedema.html Finally, diet and exercise (if possible) are important. You need to eliminate refined sugar and cut down on carbs. Mercola has a lot of information on this. Hope this helps. Sorry it is so late. Del You should also eat an anti-cancer diet (no sugar, low carbs): *From:* Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2011 6:39 AM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* CSOT Chemo advice please? Hi All I'm about to undergo a course of Chemotherapy and Herceptin followed by surgery for an aggressive breast and lymph node cancer. Can I first of all please ask, no advice not to have it. I find that really upsetting as it's already a done deal and will be going ahead. What I was hoping someone could advise me is what to take to mitigate the effects of the chemo. I already have M.E. so am laid up a lot of the time in bed with that with accompanying shakes, nausea, dizziness and swollen glands. Obviously the chemo will make all this worse so is there anything I can take to ease the side effects? Thanks in advance Kirsteen
CSSilver 100 KC6H6O7Ag
Anyone hear of silver 100? Anyone know if this silver 100 (chemical formula KC6H6O7Ag) can be cheaply made at home? http://www.silver100.com/ They claim it totally changes the way ions are released into the blood stream. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver 100 KC6H6O7Ag
Possibly an answer from their patent. Looks doable perhaps: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1Sect2=HITOFFp=1u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.htmlr=1f=Gl=50d=PALLRefSrch=yesQuery=PN/6838095 Example 1 Two and one-half liters of pure water were placed in a 5-gallon (1 9-liter functional capacity) carboy mounted on a magnetic stirrer with a Teflon-coated magnetic stir bar placed inside the carboy, turning on the stirrer at low speed, adding 6.7675 grams of citric acid anhydrous powder (reagent grade), 11.43 grams of potassium citrate monohydrate crystal (reagent grade), and 2.2450 grams of silver oxide powder (reagent grade), stirring at low speed for approximately 45 minutes. Next more water was slowly fed while continuing to stir at low speed for approximately an additional 15 minutes and stopping the water input when the level reaches approximately 8-9 liters. Then, the stir speed was turned to high and stirring continued for approximately an additional 30 minutes, filling the carboy to approximately the 18-liter mark, turning off the stirrer, opening the water input valve and stopping the water input at precisely the 19-liter mark, turning the stirrer back on to the high speed, and stirring for an additional 60 minutes. ~David On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:22 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone hear of silver 100? Anyone know if this silver 100 (chemical formula KC6H6O7Ag) can be cheaply made at home? http://www.silver100.com/ They claim it totally changes the way ions are released into the blood stream. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDomestic Magnetic Fields
THere is something called earthing also which is cheap to implement. ~David On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:17 AM, PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: I use a blow dryer also but it is rarely 2 from my head more like 6 or 8 since I have longish hair. Thanks, Brooks. PT From: Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 12:33:00 PM Subject: Re: CSDomestic Magnetic Fields Thank-you Brooks for this infocould you speak further on the subject along with cell phone info and what we can do to protect ourself or detox the toxins from using these products. I use a blow dryer but no micro wave oventhanks in advance Debbie From: Brooks Bradley bradlebro...@gmail.com To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:37 PM Subject: Re: CSDomestic Magnetic Fields In a recent conversation among our peers, a comment by one;person peaked my interest. The remark related to electrically-generated magnetic fields presenting among common household appliances/devices. I was surprised to hear that the typical hair dryer generates a magnetic field of 17,440 nanotesla (nT) at 60 hz, when the discharge nozzle is held 2 inches from the head (QUITE A COMMON DISTANCE). Since the average household (background) magnetic field is 40 to 50 nT and adverse effects for humans start to appear at about 200nTthis should RED FLAG users of hair dryers. The field strength of a magnet is inversely proportional to the distance from it. Such evidence recommends the user of hand-held hair dryer keep the discharge nozzle no CLOSER THAN 6 TO THE HEAD. We have conducted much research into the benefits of using magnetic devices for human health support.and continue to do so. However, there are certain cautions which should be observedand this seems to one of them. This is especially so when considering that a majority of helpful magnetic devices employ non-oscillating frequencies of less than 10 hz; DC sources or permanent magnets. Household AC power is supplied at 60hz and 110 to 220 volts AC I have one other comment to make regarding household appliances. The vast majority of American families employ the use of a microwave oven. There is, in most cases, a suggested comment by the food companies (included in the Cooking Directions section) which states one should allow the foodstuff to remain in the ovenor to be allowed to sit for two or so minutesbefore consuming. The implication being that such allows an improved heat dispersion throughout the foodstuff. However, a more accurate analysis could be that the food company does this to mitigate against the effects of a possible lawsuit which might be encountered .for a condition caused or aggravated by cellular radiation exposure. Few among the general public are aware that residual microwave frequency radiation DOES NOT vanish instantaneously with the removal of power from the magnetron tube (when power is turned off). Actually, there is a time lapse varying from 2 to, sometimes, 4 minutes BEFORE the radiation actually dissipates from the target foodstuff cell structure. It is quite feasible for someone to extract food from a microwave and ingest it BEFORE the radiation envelop completely dissipates. If you are tempted to disregard this comment as inconsequential, I would remind you that the typical microwave oven manufacturers are allowed to generate exposure levels of around 5000mW/cm2 (thats Milli-watts)and in 1950's, Operation Pandoras Box revealed that exposure levels of 18uW/cm2 (that's MICRO-WATTS) caused the U.S. Embassy staff in Moscow, USSR, to present with the highest level of cancer incidence per head of population---IN THE WORLD. The microwave oven power levels were measured 20 IN FRONT of the microwave window. MORAL; NEVER PLACE YOUR HEAD CLOSE TO THE FRONT OF THE MICROWAVE WINDOW while it is operating. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver ionotophoresis for cancer friend/ DMSO baking soda
Thanks a lot. I will be looking into this.
~David
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:16 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 4/21/2011 3:24:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
aubuchon.da...@gmail.com writes:
Are your cancer spots internal or external? I was diagnosed with stage 4
ovarian cancer in late Jan. Never knew it was there--felt fine, then whack
in the head.Had operation Feb 9 over 99 % was removed- {Dr. said } On
April 1st Had pain went to emergency. Cat scan found blood clot in right
leg in both lungs..also possible cancer on pelvic bone tail bone... I am
using the DMSO/baking soda on those areasNot sure if it is working but
still will keep it up..4 sets of 6 days application--6 days none. { repeat
4 times..}
~David
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:22 PM, David AuBuchon
aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi ZZekelink,
About the transdermal bicarb:
1. Is distilled water okay? Or should I get sterile water from a
doctor? (actually you can get it from vet supplies online in some
states) I use distilled water made from our own distiller.
2. What do you use for a bottle to mix the solution and the DMSO? The
baking soda is mixed in a very clean glass bottle. We put it in a shot glass
add the DMSO just before I apply it. { It's nice warm }
3. Did you learn of this transdermal option from Dr. Simonici? I did
not find any info on his site on this, and he did not mention it to me
in an email response he sent me either. I found the info. on the DMSO
group site. DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO sign in .
4. Is it the DMSO that makes the bicarb go right to the tumor? So
this is better than just taking bicarbonate orally right?--- Yes---You
should keep body PH at 8.5 or better...Juicing veggies fruit helps Gerson
cancer protocal.
5. If the tumor can be felt beneath the abdominal wall, should I rub
it right over the tumor, or rub it over the chest? Right on the tumor.
6. What is to stop me from doing this transdermal bicarb with 20
times the recipe, all over his body, and like 10 times a day? Is it
the more the merrier? This I don't know..I'm following the directions..
Thanks,
~David
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Re: CSsilver ionotophoresis for cancer friend/ DMSO baking soda
Hi ZZekelink, About the transdermal bicarb: 1. Is distilled water okay? Or should I get sterile water from a doctor? (actually you can get it from vet supplies online in some states) 2. What do you use for a bottle to mix the solution and the DMSO? 3. Did you learn of this transdermal option from Dr. Simonici? I did not find any info on his site on this, and he did not mention it to me in an email response he sent me either. 4. Is it the DMSO that makes the bicarb go right to the tumor? So this is better than just taking bicarbonate orally right? 5. If the tumor can be felt beneath the abdominal wall, should I rub it right over the tumor, or rub it over the chest? 6. What is to stop me from doing this transdermal bicarb with 20 times the recipe, all over his body, and like 10 times a day? Is it the more the merrier? Thanks, ~David On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:14 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/18/2011 10:20:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aubuchon.da...@gmail.com writes: If it is possible, can someone please tell me about how to get it set up? I am just looking into locally applied treatment options to add to his treatment, since the tumor can now be felt near the surface. Thanks,~David Hi David, I am at present using the DMSO/baking soda application to two possible remaining cancer spots..Check out-- Based on the work of Dr Tullio Simoncini of Rome, Italy, maintaining an alkaline pH of around 8.5 or so in the tumor and vicinity for 3 weeks will kill many types of cancers. Dr. Simoncini uses the lab procedures and protocols for using intravenous sodium bicarbonate as approved by the FDA for cardiac infarctions to treat most cancers. http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/ http://www.winningcancer.com/txt/the-simoncini-treatment-of-cancer/ To make liquid Sodium Bicarb* you get 250ml of sterile water and add 5mg ( a level tea spoon ) of sodium Bicarb. pH should be between 8.5 and 9. You can find pH strips at fish supply stores and pharmacies, or order on line. Make sure it is for the range of pH you are testing, some are very specific. Dr Simoncini used this to inject directly into the tumor, often under radiographic guidance for deeper tumors. DMSO and Sodium Bicarbonate To use DMSO to deliver the SB into the tumor by topical application: Using a 5ml syringe and measure 4 ml of the Sodium Bicarb solution into a small bottle and add 1ml of DMSO. Always add DMSO to water and never add water to DMSO due to the release of heat.. For all cancers you can just rub this on your chest and it will absorb through your skin and head straight to the tumour. For Lung Cancer you can also use a nebulizer and put a 20ml mix into the nebulizer, use this for 6 days and then stop for 6 days. The recommendation is to do this 4 times and then a scan. *Sodium Bicarbonate is baking soda, do not confuse it with baking powder. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver ionotophoresis for cancer friend/ DMSO baking soda
Are your cancer spots internal or external? ~David On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:22 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Hi ZZekelink, About the transdermal bicarb: 1. Is distilled water okay? Or should I get sterile water from a doctor? (actually you can get it from vet supplies online in some states) 2. What do you use for a bottle to mix the solution and the DMSO? 3. Did you learn of this transdermal option from Dr. Simonici? I did not find any info on his site on this, and he did not mention it to me in an email response he sent me either. 4. Is it the DMSO that makes the bicarb go right to the tumor? So this is better than just taking bicarbonate orally right? 5. If the tumor can be felt beneath the abdominal wall, should I rub it right over the tumor, or rub it over the chest? 6. What is to stop me from doing this transdermal bicarb with 20 times the recipe, all over his body, and like 10 times a day? Is it the more the merrier? Thanks, ~David On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:14 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/18/2011 10:20:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aubuchon.da...@gmail.com writes: If it is possible, can someone please tell me about how to get it set up? I am just looking into locally applied treatment options to add to his treatment, since the tumor can now be felt near the surface. Thanks,~David Hi David, I am at present using the DMSO/baking soda application to two possible remaining cancer spots..Check out-- Based on the work of Dr Tullio Simoncini of Rome, Italy, maintaining an alkaline pH of around 8.5 or so in the tumor and vicinity for 3 weeks will kill many types of cancers. Dr. Simoncini uses the lab procedures and protocols for using intravenous sodium bicarbonate as approved by the FDA for cardiac infarctions to treat most cancers. http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/ http://www.winningcancer.com/txt/the-simoncini-treatment-of-cancer/ To make liquid Sodium Bicarb* you get 250ml of sterile water and add 5mg ( a level tea spoon ) of sodium Bicarb. pH should be between 8.5 and 9. You can find pH strips at fish supply stores and pharmacies, or order on line. Make sure it is for the range of pH you are testing, some are very specific. Dr Simoncini used this to inject directly into the tumor, often under radiographic guidance for deeper tumors. DMSO and Sodium Bicarbonate To use DMSO to deliver the SB into the tumor by topical application: Using a 5ml syringe and measure 4 ml of the Sodium Bicarb solution into a small bottle and add 1ml of DMSO. Always add DMSO to water and never add water to DMSO due to the release of heat.. For all cancers you can just rub this on your chest and it will absorb through your skin and head straight to the tumour. For Lung Cancer you can also use a nebulizer and put a 20ml mix into the nebulizer, use this for 6 days and then stop for 6 days. The recommendation is to do this 4 times and then a scan. *Sodium Bicarbonate is baking soda, do not confuse it with baking powder. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver ionotophoresis for cancer friend/ DMSO baking soda
And did this give you results? On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Are your cancer spots internal or external? ~David On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:22 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Hi ZZekelink, About the transdermal bicarb: 1. Is distilled water okay? Or should I get sterile water from a doctor? (actually you can get it from vet supplies online in some states) 2. What do you use for a bottle to mix the solution and the DMSO? 3. Did you learn of this transdermal option from Dr. Simonici? I did not find any info on his site on this, and he did not mention it to me in an email response he sent me either. 4. Is it the DMSO that makes the bicarb go right to the tumor? So this is better than just taking bicarbonate orally right? 5. If the tumor can be felt beneath the abdominal wall, should I rub it right over the tumor, or rub it over the chest? 6. What is to stop me from doing this transdermal bicarb with 20 times the recipe, all over his body, and like 10 times a day? Is it the more the merrier? Thanks, ~David On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:14 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/18/2011 10:20:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, aubuchon.da...@gmail.com writes: If it is possible, can someone please tell me about how to get it set up? I am just looking into locally applied treatment options to add to his treatment, since the tumor can now be felt near the surface. Thanks,~David Hi David, I am at present using the DMSO/baking soda application to two possible remaining cancer spots..Check out-- Based on the work of Dr Tullio Simoncini of Rome, Italy, maintaining an alkaline pH of around 8.5 or so in the tumor and vicinity for 3 weeks will kill many types of cancers. Dr. Simoncini uses the lab procedures and protocols for using intravenous sodium bicarbonate as approved by the FDA for cardiac infarctions to treat most cancers. http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/ http://www.winningcancer.com/txt/the-simoncini-treatment-of-cancer/ To make liquid Sodium Bicarb* you get 250ml of sterile water and add 5mg ( a level tea spoon ) of sodium Bicarb. pH should be between 8.5 and 9. You can find pH strips at fish supply stores and pharmacies, or order on line. Make sure it is for the range of pH you are testing, some are very specific. Dr Simoncini used this to inject directly into the tumor, often under radiographic guidance for deeper tumors. DMSO and Sodium Bicarbonate To use DMSO to deliver the SB into the tumor by topical application: Using a 5ml syringe and measure 4 ml of the Sodium Bicarb solution into a small bottle and add 1ml of DMSO. Always add DMSO to water and never add water to DMSO due to the release of heat.. For all cancers you can just rub this on your chest and it will absorb through your skin and head straight to the tumour. For Lung Cancer you can also use a nebulizer and put a 20ml mix into the nebulizer, use this for 6 days and then stop for 6 days. The recommendation is to do this 4 times and then a scan. *Sodium Bicarbonate is baking soda, do not confuse it with baking powder. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver ionotophoresis for cancer friend
Yes, there are in vivo studies that are not known by the mainstream that show melatonin treats cancer. Davinci liposomal spray and oncotonin are two liposomal melatonin products. ~David On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Harold MacDonald har...@telus.net wrote: I have recently read where Melatonin is very beneficial in addressing the tendency to Colon cancer,et al. I have used it for many years for other important uses in the body,and brain specifically,with no side effects so far other than vivid dreams. Harold - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:20 PM Subject: CSsilver ionotophoresis for cancer friend My friends colon tumor has grown and can now be felt underneath the skin. Is silver ionotophoresis able to be used on tumors like that? I don't really understand it. Or is it something you need the cancer to already be outside the skin? If it is possible, can someone please tell me about how to get it set up? I am just looking into locally applied treatment options to add to his treatment, since the tumor can now be felt near the surface. Thanks, ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBrooks - what doses of Lipo-C were used?
Question for Brooks or anyone that knows. What doses of lipo-C were used in your research for treating cancer patients? Thanks, ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver ionotophoresis for cancer friend
Don't know, but if you look up those 2 products I mentioned, they may list expiration dates or something. ~David On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM, h.godavari h.godav...@shaw.ca wrote: What is the shelf life of Melatonin? What happens to it after the expiry date? Thanks for your help regards hg David AuBuchon wrote: Yes, there are in vivo studies that are not known by the mainstream that show melatonin treats cancer. Davinci liposomal spray and oncotonin are two liposomal melatonin products. ~David On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Harold MacDonald har...@telus.net wrote: I have recently read where Melatonin is very beneficial in addressing the tendency to Colon cancer,et al. I have used it for many years for other important uses in the body,and brain specifically,with no side effects so far other than vivid dreams. Harold - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:20 PM Subject: CSsilver ionotophoresis for cancer friend My friends colon tumor has grown and can now be felt underneath the skin. Is silver ionotophoresis able to be used on tumors like that? I don't really understand it. Or is it something you need the cancer to already be outside the skin? If it is possible, can someone please tell me about how to get it set up? I am just looking into locally applied treatment options to add to his treatment, since the tumor can now be felt near the surface. Thanks, ~David - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsilver ionotophoresis for cancer friend
My friends colon tumor has grown and can now be felt underneath the skin. Is silver ionotophoresis able to be used on tumors like that? I don't really understand it. Or is it something you need the cancer to already be outside the skin? If it is possible, can someone please tell me about how to get it set up? I am just looking into locally applied treatment options to add to his treatment, since the tumor can now be felt near the surface. Thanks, ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases
FYI, the word jello is code word for silver. If you google phrases in these references, you can find the original sources: http://scientificliving.net/2011/02/the-ultimate-guide-to-colloidal-silver-colloidal-silver-generators-and-jello-2/#has-the-use-of-eis-ever-been-professionally-documented On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:21 PM, bob Larson bobli...@att.net wrote: this is the first i've read of the direct generation of ions with implanted electrodes in an artery. anywhere to read more about it? i can see myself wearing a power pack like when i was using a beck blood electrifier. add in bluetooth hanging on my ear and i am borg. resistance was futile. about the strongest i've been able to get CS with re-brewing over and over again is about 65ppm when it settles down. tired, too lazy to do the math right now, but what volume of 65ppm would it take to raise the plasma level... what is it on average, something like 8 liters in the body? if so, guesstimating, wouldn't it take something like 1.5 or more liters ? seems like it would be dangerous to thin out the blood with so much water quickly, even a drip over a couple days? and the longer it takes to deliver in, the more it takes cuz the CS is processed out so quickly?l with the TT it's easy to shoot a high concentration in one syringe... probably only 10cc or something? i can't take risks with myself while i'm responsible for taking care of my ma, but after she dies i can. but i believe she's getting better now and might last another decade... jeez, that'd kill me in the process, but that's the deal i guess. From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases If you made high density EIS with a little peroxide maybe you could get 10ppm in the blood by IV. Though I have many documentated AIDS recovieries from EIS use on my site. Including protocols involving oral use. Most significantly are protocols involving the direct generation of ions with implanted electrodes in an artery. ~David On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:14 PM, bob Larson bobli...@att.net wrote: to answer my own question, i guess you couldn't really use EIS to get plasma level to 10ppm. impossible. duh. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases
If you made high density EIS with a little peroxide maybe you could get 10ppm in the blood by IV. Though I have many documentated AIDS recovieries from EIS use on my site. Including protocols involving oral use. Most significantly are protocols involving the direct generation of ions with implanted electrodes in an artery. ~David On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:14 PM, bob Larson bobli...@att.net wrote: to answer my own question, i guess you couldn't really use EIS to get plasma level to 10ppm. impossible. duh. -- *From:* bob Larson [mailto:bobli...@att.net] *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:43 AM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* RE: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases great article on the TT. i wonder if EIS used the same way would give similar results? that is, to raise the whole blood plasma volume to 10ppm or more silver in a short period by IV Boyd Graves was cured of HIV with one injection of TT sufficient to raise his plasma to a similar level, and it blew his liver up like a balloon but didn't damage it or impair function and eventually normalized. he's an interesting character. seems to have researched and put together the history of the development of the HIV by our biowarfare people... but either his case is weak (maybe but not likely as he's a very smart guy) or people just fail to respond much for other reasons (not to their credit?)
Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases
I have tick infections. It was the one thing that has helped me the most. I've peaked, and am still really sick, but I think it may have saved my life, since nothing else was working. It typically takes many things over a long time to totally beat lyme, but I am confident in saying that EIS is the overall best first thing to try for most. ~David 2011/3/19 Carlos Pérez explorer...@hotmail.com Does anyone have experience in treating Lyme, Ehrlichiosis and/or other Tick-borne diseases with EIS? I have had very interesting results in a serious case of Ehrlichiosis and Rickettsiosis that I had chronic for several years. I would like to share experiences with other colleagues. Regards. Carlos
Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases
I'd start with 1 tsp a day (or less if you feel really sick), then increase until you reach a point where you feel just barely noticeable herx reaction. Then stay at that dose until you no longer get reaction. Then increase again in the same way. So like 1 tsp, 2 tsp, 1 tbsp, 2 tbsp, 3 tbsp (1 fl oz.), 2 fl. oz. all the way to at least 8 fl .oz. maybe more. ~David On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 5:19 PM, dingyun...@att.net wrote: I just got my lyme report and was positive and immediatly was on Doxycycline and felt so sick after taking it. My doctor suggested me taking longer period of time. I am in cross road. I belive my lyme is chronic. been feeling pain/sick for more than 20 years. Do you think EIS will work on chronic one? I have utopia silver maker. Do you think this home made EIS strong enough to kill? How much shall one to drink? Thanks. Helen --- On *Sat, 3/19/11, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com* wrote: From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 4:36 PM I have tick infections. It was the one thing that has helped me the most. I've peaked, and am still really sick, but I think it may have saved my life, since nothing else was working. It typically takes many things over a long time to totally beat lyme, but I am confident in saying that EIS is the overall best first thing to try for most. ~David 2011/3/19 Carlos Pérez explorer...@hotmail.comhttp://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=explorer...@hotmail.com Does anyone have experience in treating Lyme, Ehrlichiosis and/or other Tick-borne diseases with EIS? I have had very interesting results in a serious case of Ehrlichiosis and Rickettsiosis that I had chronic for several years. I would like to share experiences with other colleagues. Regards. Carlos
Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases
most people have herx reactions when they do something to kill bugs. This makes you temporarily feel worse, and then feel better. And it is proportional to how much bugs you kill at once. So that is why you need to increase doses slowly as you can tolerate. This will ensure you avoid experiences like you had with doxycycline. So to answer your question, EIS gave me herx reactions followed by net improvement. I improved, improved, improved, until EIS gave me neither herx reactions or improvement for some time. I am not familiar with the generator you have, but I would suggest making around 10PPM EIS. I would not worry about turning blue long term if the resulting EIS is clear. Yes, it would take time anyway. If you want to think extensively about safety precautions, read the following section on safety if EIS which I wrote: http://scientificliving.net/2011/02/the-ultimate-guide-to-colloidal-silver-colloidal-silver-generators-and-jello-2/#the-safety-of-eis-and-jello Remember that the bugs cause all sorts of anxiety, depression, and fear symptoms themselves. So when you feel freaked out, always remind yourself that it is the bugs and not you, and those feelings will go away when the bugs are gone. Always do things gradually, and never do things hastily out of a rush to get well. There is a group of people using homemade EIS for lyme and infections here. I also am on this group: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DougPlus/messages ~David On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 5:32 PM, dingyun...@att.net wrote: nothing turn you to gray at that much amount? took months getting to that level? how do you know it was working like no more lyme symptoms or retesting from lab. Sorry, so many questions. I have not gotten over my anxiety/emotion yet. I felt depressed having this tick-borne disease. Helen --- On *Sat, 3/19/11, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com* wrote: From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 5:23 PM I'd start with 1 tsp a day (or less if you feel really sick), then increase until you reach a point where you feel just barely noticeable herx reaction. Then stay at that dose until you no longer get reaction. Then increase again in the same way. So like 1 tsp, 2 tsp, 1 tbsp, 2 tbsp, 3 tbsp (1 fl oz.), 2 fl. oz. all the way to at least 8 fl .oz. maybe more. ~David On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 5:19 PM, dingyun...@att.nethttp://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dingyun...@att.net wrote: I just got my lyme report and was positive and immediatly was on Doxycycline and felt so sick after taking it. My doctor suggested me taking longer period of time. I am in cross road. I belive my lyme is chronic. been feeling pain/sick for more than 20 years. Do you think EIS will work on chronic one? I have utopia silver maker. Do you think this home made EIS strong enough to kill? How much shall one to drink? Thanks. Helen --- On *Sat, 3/19/11, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comhttp://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aubuchon.da...@gmail.com * wrote: From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comhttp://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases To: silver-list@eskimo.comhttp://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 4:36 PM I have tick infections. It was the one thing that has helped me the most. I've peaked, and am still really sick, but I think it may have saved my life, since nothing else was working. It typically takes many things over a long time to totally beat lyme, but I am confident in saying that EIS is the overall best first thing to try for most. ~David 2011/3/19 Carlos Pérez explorer...@hotmail.comhttp://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=explorer...@hotmail.com Does anyone have experience in treating Lyme, Ehrlichiosis and/or other Tick-borne diseases with EIS? I have had very interesting results in a serious case of Ehrlichiosis and Rickettsiosis that I had chronic for several years. I would like to share experiences with other colleagues. Regards. Carlos
Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases
Hi Bob, That silver compound you mentioned cured 30 out of 30 breast cancers in one study: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_274/ai_n16359688/pg_2/ Did it do anything for you that EIS didn't? Have any info/suggestions for buying/taking it? ~David On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:29 PM, bob Larson bobli...@att.net wrote: if your CS is quite clear, under 15ppm, should be no problem with argyria. i'm on my 5th year of CS for hepC and it's doing a good job managing but never quite getting rid of it. in 2006 CS saved my life from the hepC. during the first year i started using it i drank at least 6 oz/day and often more. i drank a whole liter/day for several months. much of that CS also had Ag4O4 tetrasilver tetroxide added to it. i'm not gray, and the moons of my fingernails are white. the moons are supposed to turn blue when you come close to skin doing so, so then it's time to back off or stop). From: dingyun...@att.net [mailto:dingyun...@att.net] Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 4:32 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases nothing turn you to gray at that much amount? took months getting to that level? how do you know it was working like no more lyme symptoms or retesting from lab. Sorry, so many questions. I have not gotten over my anxiety/emotion yet. I felt depressed having this tick-borne disease. Helen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases
If it is something inexpensive, aquirable, and absorbable, then I would probably try some. ~David On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:29 PM, bob Larson bobli...@att.net wrote: there's a few folks around here like you're looking for... but please share your interesting results with the list? i know i'd like to read them. -- *From:* Carlos Pérez [mailto:explorer...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:05 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* CSEIS and Tick-borne diseases Does anyone have experience in treating Lyme, Ehrlichiosis and/or other Tick-borne diseases with EIS? I have had very interesting results in a serious case of Ehrlichiosis and Rickettsiosis that I had chronic for several years. I would like to share experiences with other colleagues. Regards. Carlos
Re: CSProbiotics
I calculated Dr. Mercolas as being one of the best price per billion organisms on the market. I started his brand recently, and it has improved by bowels after switching from Ayush brand which I was on. I take lots of antibiotics. ~David On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Del d...@altsystem.com wrote: For most of her life, my wife has been battling IBS. I always believed that a probiotic should solve the problem. We tried many (including the HSO). Nothing worked. Then we tried VSL#3. IBS gone within about two months on one packet per day. Now she gets it by prescription so that our drug coverage will defray the considerable cost. We think eventually she will be able to stop taking it and still remain stable. If you order it, make sure to order from the company itself so that it will be shipped with ice packs. VSL#3 should always be refrigerated. Del - Original Message - *From:* Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:04 AM *Subject:* CSProbiotics Hi Steve: I'm always playing around with various probies. Sometimes, one must consider how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs. I'm NOT an expert on the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research. Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to survive the digestive tract. These are just your run-of-the-mill probiotics, and a touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get done. The first of the big guns I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil organisms, offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense. These are very controversial little creatures have no problems surviving through the digestive system. These types of organisms have come under fire primarily due to modern science's inability to predict the long term effects of HSO's. However, before disregarding them as potentially profound healing agents, the small scale studies done should be carefully considered. http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective Microorgansims. THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and is a blend of microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type of very special microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic bacteria, Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often appear at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere began containing oxygen. Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM. Ongoing research continues: http://emrojapan.com/ ...however, very little has been published in English about the health and healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics. That said, in the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their chronic digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level conditions) respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay therapy has, at the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of IBS, Crohns, and other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower intestines. Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they will compete with whatever else is in the colon. When the state of the colon is returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to the bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior. So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your supplementation. I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I don't see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive disorders. Kind Regards, Jason
Re: CSPotassium , Iodide , Lugol's Iodine for your information
I suppose this is in connection to nuclear issues. I also read recently about something called Russian Choice for radiation protection. ~David On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: I have had a number of calls Re: Lugol's Iodine, Yes it is 5% Potassium--Iodide = Iodine The name Lugol's is the inventors name of this solution. I still have it in stock although their has been a sudden increase in demand. I called my source and it is still available for me but of course their could be a run on it , if Calif. has an earthquake? *http://www.quailwoodherbal.com* Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. -- * *
Re: Turneric / Re: CSChronic Myleoprolific Blood Disease
Curcumin can be liposomally encapsulated. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Brooks Bradley bradlebro...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Jane, We have no data or experience relative to the effects of Cooking...on turmeric. I apologize, but am unable to assist you in this matter. Sincerely, Brooks. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: Brooks if one was going to take turmeric from the grocer rather as capsules I have read that it is more potent if cooked first would you have any comment on that? Thanks Jane - Original Message - From: Brooks Bradley bradlebro...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:36 AM Subject: Re: CSChronic Myleoprolific Blood Disease Dear Ruth, While we have hads no direwcxt experience in addresses possible protocols for any of the family of myleoprolific blood disorders, we HAVE received information stating that Turmeric has exhibited positive effectssome quite dramatic--when taken at quite pronounced dosages (e.g. 2400 mg , 3 times daily). One independent researcher (Christian Wilde by name) has been very active in researching the benefits of Turmeric for a variety of cardiovascular insults.and has related some VERY promising results. Turmeric when utilized in concert with adult stem cell therapy...has displayed some amazing results (according to Christian). Mr. Wilde is an independent health-research investigator, recognized as a reliable researcher, by much of the alternative/experimental medical community, both in thew USA--and in Europe. I wish you well in your endeavors to assist your family member, Brooks p.s. I experienced quite measurable benefits from moderate dosages of Turmeric powder (as an ancillary support)...after a 30 day course of 600 mg daily, capsulesingested for a mild.but chronic, cardiovascular challenge. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGood and bad bacteria,,,woman with illness
I think the salt/c protocol for lyme and coinfections may address morgellon's, if I remember properly. Their forum is here: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymestrategies/messages ~David
Re: CSProtocol for Making Liposomal GSH
The following PDF lists the solubility of GSH at 20mg per ml. I made lipo-GSH for the first time yesterday. http://www.caymanchem.com/msdss/10007461m.pdf I used the same BB recipe for liposomal C, except instead of dissolving vitamin C in the 4 oz of water, I decided to mix as much GSH in that 4 oz of water as would be soluble in 12 oz of water (the total water used in the recipe). I think I calculated that would be about 7 grams. Unfortunately glutathione is not dirt cheap like vitamin C. Anyway, I found that most of the 7 grams actually appeared to dissolve in just the 4 oz of water, which makes me think it is really much more soluble than 20mg/ml. Anyway, that was my recipe. ~David On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Silver Smith cag@gmail.com wrote: I have been successfully making Liposomal Vit C and I am ready to make some Liposomal GSH. I was wondering if anybody had devised a successful protocol for Lipo GSH? If so, would you post it? I tried to search past posts but did not find one. Sorry if I missed it. Best Source for GSH? Thanks!! SS
Re: CSProtocol for Making Liposomal GSH
I bought my glutathione from nutritionland BUT, they appear to be somewhat scammy, so I would not suggest you buy from them. They have the absolute cheapest price per gram on the healthy origins brand gluathione, but they have lots of complaints against their company. Possible getting scam charges from them on your credit card. ~David On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: The following PDF lists the solubility of GSH at 20mg per ml. I made lipo-GSH for the first time yesterday. http://www.caymanchem.com/msdss/10007461m.pdf I used the same BB recipe for liposomal C, except instead of dissolving vitamin C in the 4 oz of water, I decided to mix as much GSH in that 4 oz of water as would be soluble in 12 oz of water (the total water used in the recipe). I think I calculated that would be about 7 grams. Unfortunately glutathione is not dirt cheap like vitamin C. Anyway, I found that most of the 7 grams actually appeared to dissolve in just the 4 oz of water, which makes me think it is really much more soluble than 20mg/ml. Anyway, that was my recipe. ~David On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Silver Smith cag@gmail.com wrote: I have been successfully making Liposomal Vit C and I am ready to make some Liposomal GSH. I was wondering if anybody had devised a successful protocol for Lipo GSH? If so, would you post it? I tried to search past posts but did not find one. Sorry if I missed it. Best Source for GSH? Thanks!! SS
CSnebulized allicin
FYI, some ND is doing this: http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/181207/CTM-%20allicin2.htm ~David http://scientificliving.net/
CSColloids give structure to water presentation
A Dr. Roy says colloidal silver structures water. Starts around slide 30. http://www.slideshare.net/NaturesPhysician/water-water-everywhere-live-h2-o-eventjuly-rerecorded Also, there is a company called Stirwand that sells a stick that you stir your water glasses with and they have studies on their site that claim they prove it improves the ability of water to hydrate cells: http://www.stirwandsdirect.com/html/clinicaltrial.html What is interesting to me is that the product itself seems like a hoax, and that it is actually the act of stirring that is providing these results. Any thoughts? I also heard that cooling water, as well as sitting water in the sun as well as exposing water to frequencies (like the love frequency 528 hertz). If I did all that to water before making CS with it, will it actually do anything to the properties of the CS? ~David http://scientificliving.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsome info on BYU kill study
A list of 54 organisms that were tested: http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf ~David http://scientificliving.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsome info on BYU kill study
And some ASAP studies citing 16PPM EIS does NOT destroy probiotics. Going to have to give this one a thorough read and see if it is legit: http://www.nursedetective.com/market/safetysummary.pdf ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: A list of 54 organisms that were tested: http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf ~David http://scientificliving.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsome info on BYU kill study
Hi Neville, I know these people have hype all over the web in hidden nooks and crannies. Their product(s) are all 10nm EIS of different PPMs. What I was referring to, was a specific reference in the study that claimed they did in vitro experiments that did not kill a specific probiotic. If true, that would be a first to me. I haven't gotten to it yet, but will soon. Though I have to say, I have gathered a number of IN VIVO results that these guys have published in strange journals or just claimed in patents. I will post a collection of those in the future. These results are all indicative of the results that homemade EIS would provide. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, j petras jpetras...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you know if this study was done in vitro or conducted in a living organism? --- On *Thu, 2/17/11, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com* wrote: From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Subject: CSsome info on BYU kill study To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 7:43 PM A list of 54 organisms that were tested: http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf ~David http://scientificliving.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsome info on BYU kill study
Also note that getting in vitro results that dont kill probiotics is actually more impressive than getting it in vivo. ~David On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:08 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Neville, I know these people have hype all over the web in hidden nooks and crannies. Their product(s) are all 10nm EIS of different PPMs. What I was referring to, was a specific reference in the study that claimed they did in vitro experiments that did not kill a specific probiotic. If true, that would be a first to me. I haven't gotten to it yet, but will soon. Though I have to say, I have gathered a number of IN VIVO results that these guys have published in strange journals or just claimed in patents. I will post a collection of those in the future. These results are all indicative of the results that homemade EIS would provide. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, j petras jpetras...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you know if this study was done in vitro or conducted in a living organism? --- On *Thu, 2/17/11, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com* wrote: From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Subject: CSsome info on BYU kill study To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 7:43 PM A list of 54 organisms that were tested: http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf ~David http://scientificliving.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsome info on BYU kill study
Here is a link to the first of the two studies they list on EIS on probiotics: http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/Safety_Studies/Selective%20Antimicrobial%20Activity%20of%20ASAP-AGX-32%20Silver%20Solution%20against%20Probiotics%20%28Dr.%20Ron%20Leavitt%29.pdf They say in this study that the methods used in the other study weren't all that great, so they endeavored to do a better study. This really does seem to show that probiotics are more resistant to EIS than pathogens- especially bifidobacteria, which aren't killed by 16PPM EIS! As far as I can tell, this looks legit, unless we think the authors are just plain dishonest. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:23 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Also note that getting in vitro results that dont kill probiotics is actually more impressive than getting it in vivo. ~David On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:08 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Neville, I know these people have hype all over the web in hidden nooks and crannies. Their product(s) are all 10nm EIS of different PPMs. What I was referring to, was a specific reference in the study that claimed they did in vitro experiments that did not kill a specific probiotic. If true, that would be a first to me. I haven't gotten to it yet, but will soon. Though I have to say, I have gathered a number of IN VIVO results that these guys have published in strange journals or just claimed in patents. I will post a collection of those in the future. These results are all indicative of the results that homemade EIS would provide. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, j petras jpetras...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you know if this study was done in vitro or conducted in a living organism? --- On *Thu, 2/17/11, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com* wrote: From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Subject: CSsome info on BYU kill study To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 7:43 PM A list of 54 organisms that were tested: http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf ~David http://scientificliving.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsome info on BYU kill study
The product is basically ASAP colloidal silver. It is plain old EIS and they make it at various PPM's. They also have it sold under like 5 different labels I have run into so far. But it is EIS. I was assuming that EIS would have an easier time killing the probiotics in a petri, rather than in the body. Just like EIS kills everything in vitro, but you don't expect it to kill everything in vivo. So if it doesn't kill it in vitro, then there is even less chance of it killing it in vivo. ~David On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com wrote: Not being a biological chemist or whatever I wonder how could that be so? Due to biological complexities within the body I would have thought tests in vivo would be more accurate/applicable to those of a test tube or petri dish? There would be many, many actions, reactions, and interactions occurring within the body to/with any substance ingested. I assume you're referring to our intestinal flora when probiotics are spoken of? In which case there would need to be some literature available indicating 'how much', and in 'what form', or 'what type' that silver solution is/was in when ingested indicating the destruction of our beneficial flora? Can't speak for the product referred to in that article, but I seriously doubt what we make in the home will have much effect on our beneficial flora. Unless praps one were to ingest 10 litres a day for an extended number of days? But even then, I haven't found any articles relating to 'how much' of home made ionic/colloidal silver would need to be ingested before killing our flora? Plenty of assumptions, anecdotes, and 'recommendations' from mainstream authorities for the amount of 'colloidal silver?' being ingested, but nothing referring to the product we make in the home I don't think? What's publicised and sold over the counter as 'colloidal silver?' compared to what we make in the kitchen using LVDC and DW are like chalk and cheese to me. The term 'Colloidal Silver' is a very, very large broom, and sweeps up *anything* containing the slightest sniff of silver. Even our TGA couldn't supply me infomation relating to the stuff we produce, by the methods we produce it...because they simply haven't got any! They waffle on about some shiela who turned blue or whatever - but do you think I can find a picture of that woman on their website...NO I couldn't! And we all know *who* that woman was they reference, and *why* they don't supply a photo, or any other information about her. It's all mostly deception and misleading information to suit a particular agenda to me David, all put out there for those of us who are involved with this stuff to choose to believe 'this' or 'that'... without them actually providing any credible information. I apply that same philosophy to marketers/promotors as well. Oops, think I might have digressed here a tad. N. Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:23:07 -0800 Subject: Re: CSsome info on BYU kill study From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Also note that getting in vitro results that dont kill probiotics is actually more impressive than getting it in vivo. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLEDs
I think brooks posted something about LEDs for treating infection somewhere. ~David On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Christina Mattson tinamatt...@yahoo.comwrote: PT, i just found a printout from PHILIPS, who makes LED bulbs for home lighting, i am busy right now but i will send it to you later tonight along with some other stuff i had in a file. Tina --- On *Wed, 2/16/11, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com* wrote: From: Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSLEDs To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 8:38 AM If V is still a member of this group he sells LEDS he certainly could tell you more about the subject, Debbie -- *From:* Christina Mattson tinamatt...@yahoo.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, February 16, 2011 12:29:29 PM *Subject:* Re: CSLEDs PT, I have the same thoughts as Tony as far as scare mongering. None of these address the therapeutic use of them, regular light strands have lead in them too, so you wash your hands after handling them or wear gloves. Now as far as the blue and white color intensity harming children's eye's I don't think it would be a good idea to use them around your house if your child likes to stare at them. In my experience being around children with sensory issues sometimes they like to stare at the red but it makes no mention of the red harming the cornea of children's eyes, besides no decent parent is going to allow that. Once i was researching night blindness and read an article where people were disputing the blue LED's used on car headlights and appliances because it was bothersome but only some people had a problem with that. I have light sensitivity issues but have never really been bothered by it. Now as far as the larger holiday light strands, the bulbs are usually covered with a plastic bezel that looks like it's part of the bulb but the bulb is underneath. There are lots of holes in those articles. If i find any discrepancy about the safety of increasing cellular energy with them than i will be sure to share it with you. Take Care Tina --- On *Wed, 2/16/11, PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net* wrote: From: PT Ferrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: CSLEDs To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 5:42 AM Hi Tony, Was it the US article on the CA study you read or the ANSES article? If you cannot find the ANSES article I can send it to you. It is much longer and I would be interested in your comments. Thanks. PT -- *From:* Tony Moody a...@new.co.za *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, February 16, 2011 6:09:39 AM *Subject:* Re: CSLEDs Hi PT. That article, only one I could find , seems to be scaremongering. They do not mention quantities per 'bulb'. And they do not give the science behind it. And the how do you break an led? and then how is the metal contamination released to the atmosphere if it is incorporated into the electronics of the led? Versus CFLs where the contaminants are a gas or a powder which are released if the glass cracks. It seems to be an Anti_led emotional scare marketing ploy. OK , Tony On 15 Feb 2011 at 12:42, PT Ferrance wrote about : Subject : CSLEDs Today I read 2 articles on the danger of toxic materials being released from LED lights. A colleague told me of another article as well. Does anyone have any information on the downside of LED lighting either therapeutically or conventionally? Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a
Re: CSAdding H2O2 doesnt seem to be working for me?
Some say 1 drop of 35% peroxide per 8 oz. So that would be closer to 40 or 50 drops of 3% peroxide- way more than what you used. You can keep adding peroxide little by little until it turns clear. I would try not to clean the electrode during the brewing if possible. Also, I just bought some new mason jars and they have a smell. I washed thoroughly with DW and vinegar, then cleaned out the vinegar with just DW. Even so, there is a faint odor. I think new jars spoiling the first couple batches is a real possibility. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:37 AM, jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com wrote: You need to wait a little longer. 48 hrs I think. And I think Ode said 6 drops for a quart - that is what I use. I brew (set it up before I leave for work and it is usually done by the time I get home) - decant - let sit for at least 48 hrs - add 6 drops 3% food grade h2o2 and leave it overnight usually - it is always completely clear by morning. I think it clears faster than that but I usually get the next jar ready when almost finished with the last jar so I am not in a rush for it. But please understand a pale yellow is not a problem. It is an astheitics thing mostly. And some I use immediately after brewing - no h2o2 added. The very pale yellow does not mean it is in any way bad for you. In fact that used to be the goal color if I recall my reading of archives and such correctly. Jaxi On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Kenny laguna anugal_...@hotmail.comwrote: Hi all, For some reason, after the first couple batches of CS from my Silver Puppy, and can only seem to make pale yellow CS now. Ive tried 3 different brands of distilled water (all test either 000 or 001) on my TDS-1 meter. Ive been using auto shutoff with direct current, and cleaning the electrodes 1 time (when heavy buildup) during the process. My canning jars i use are brand new, a rinsed very well with distilled water. I never touch the electrodes with anything but a clean paper towel. Here is my question- since i really don't want the pale yellow color, I've tried adding 3% hydrogen peroxide (2 drops) to 32oz of CS after it has set for at least 24 hours. Instead of it clearing up, the CS actually gets a much darker yellow! Does anybody know why this is happening? Thank you for your help!
Re: CSAnyone what what is actually in Live-Silver ?
Just bumping this thread, as I am really interested for input. Also, I notice that there is a Nancy Robey who wrote some stuff of colloidal silver and AIDS, and the live-silver website has a guy names Marvin Robey. I wonder what the relation is. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:29 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry, the link to the distribution is here: http://www.live-silver.com/particlesize.htm ~David On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:19 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know about this brand of CS? http://www.live-silver.com/Silverbest.htm It has a strong tyndall, but also has a particle size distribution chart that claims less than 5nm: http://www.live-silver.com/Silverbest.htm Based on what they write about splitting particles, I am guessing this is hydrogen peroxide added to CS? Any thoughts? I am surprised that adding peroxide could make a tyndall that strong, especially in daylight. I am wondering if maybe this is also a high ppm product? Them claim only 20ppm. Also, they plainly claim it is used by doctors intravenously on their homepage! Pretty bold! And this is the first time I had heard of that lab who did their measurement: http://www.microtrac.com/Services/LabServices/LabPricing.aspx They say $50 for a particle size distribution. Not a bad price. Anyone know how this equipment compares to CSLs (Frank's) measurements? They both say light scattering. Thanks, ~David http://scientificliving.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS study in vivo
FYI, the website author with that quote let me know that it is a piece of info she has had for many years, and unfortunately no longer has the reference. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:53 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: I found this online, but cannot find any clue to the real source of this claim of an in vivo study on CS. Any clues: More Research on Colloidal Silver - A one year long study completed at Harvard and Cambridge Universities shows that CS is effective as an anti-viral, anti-fungal, anti-bacterial and natural antibiotic. This study showed CS to be effective in humans with sinus infections, respiratory infection, bronchitis, strep throat, retro-viral infections, thrush (yeast), ear infections, fungal infections, urinary tract infections, and conjunctivitis. No failures were reported in this study. CS performed better than the five major classes of antibiotics in killing bacteria. Testing is on-going. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS study in vivo
Answered my own question: The product was Coll Ag 40 which is a MSP and hyped in a book by a Dr. Farber, that seems kinda shady. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:38 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, the website author with that quote let me know that it is a piece of info she has had for many years, and unfortunately no longer has the reference. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:53 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: I found this online, but cannot find any clue to the real source of this claim of an in vivo study on CS. Any clues: More Research on Colloidal Silver - A one year long study completed at Harvard and Cambridge Universities shows that CS is effective as an anti-viral, anti-fungal, anti-bacterial and natural antibiotic. This study showed CS to be effective in humans with sinus infections, respiratory infection, bronchitis, strep throat, retro-viral infections, thrush (yeast), ear infections, fungal infections, urinary tract infections, and conjunctivitis. No failures were reported in this study. CS performed better than the five major classes of antibiotics in killing bacteria. Testing is on-going. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Doubt.
I took 40,000units a day of EMULSIFIED vitamin D3 from biotics for a length of 2 weeks. I did it at the recommendation of a lyme nutritionist. I told her I thought it was bad for me, but she convinced me anyway. In that time, me 25hydyoxy vit D levels went from 20 to 102. The reference range is like 30 to 75. I believe emulsified works much better than regular because of this experience. So with people with infectious disease, some of them DO NOT do well supplementing vitamin D. Some of them do do well though. The explanation of why is called the Marshall Protocol, which sort of partially succeeds in explaining it. This 25hydroxy vit D is NOT what your body uses. Your body then converts it into 1,25 dihydroxy vit D, which is a steroid hormone. This is the vitamin D you must also measure, but no one ever does. In high levels, this vitamin D SUPPRESSES the immune system. Some bacteria have learned to accelerate this conversion of vitamin D in order to suppress the immune system. So many people with infectious disease have low levels of 25 hydroxy D but high levels of 1,25dihydroxy vitamin D. My levels for example of each respectvely were 20 (low) and about 60 (borderline high). This indicates that bacteria could have been converting one to the other. After supplementing, it was GOING IN THE SUN that would make me very sick for a few days. This is was people like me sometimes experience and learn to keep away from vitamin D after that. Before taking vitamin D the sun would not bother me nearly as much. That is the second indication I had. The third indication I had that vit D was bad for me is that I would get some herx reactions from a drug named Benicar. It is a blood pressure drug with an off label use in the Marshall Protocol. It block the conversion of the 1st vit D into the 2nd vit D. Taking it then lowers the levels of the second vit D, which UNSUPPRESSES the immune system, which causes it to kill bugs and give herx. The moral of the story: vit D is very good for most, but can be very bad for some. Im getting into health consulting, and I am not planning on ever recommending vit D to anyone without first probing them for infections with CS or something else, or at least checking BOTH their D levels. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:57 AM, jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com wrote: My understanding about chocolate in dogs is that some are impacted more than others AND there is a cummulative effect issue at hand. I think it was something along the lines that dogs cannot process and eliminate the chocolate and so small exposure will likely not harm but repeated and often could. But I know of dogs who have consumed entire bags of chocolate (say Hershey's Kisses or some such) and been fine in the long run. Vit D in large amounts is supposedly toxic for dogs too. Too much of anything tends to be bad for you. Human, dog, cat, mouse ... Jaxi On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.comwrote: Over the years ( I'm 75) I have given my dogs chocolate when ever I ate some and they all lived an extraordinarily long life. It makes me wonder if that has a basis in fact or if it was an old fable that has been mindlessly repeated, like the 650 about CS's effectiveness? Dave On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: Chocolate is dog poison, but in small amounts it makes most humans very happy. On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Alan Jones wrote: This is bollocks, everything is a poison at high enough quantities, even too much water can kill you. Vit D3 is safe at under 5000IU per day. Alan On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:36 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote: Vitamin d3 is a mouse poison, look up vitamin d3 mouse poison by tom cat brand and see if your vitamin d3 has the same ingredient.. cholecalciferol -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #46
If people think vit C would help, I wonder if lipo-C would help. I also wonder if oral h2o2 could break up particles, like it does in a jar of CS. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Melly I tried the protocols that were going around at that time. A very knowledgeable list member named Jason Had a sure fire way with Selenium and Vit-E. It did nothing for me. The only way I have seen any lightening of the skin was when I tore some off and after healing there was a spot with normal color. I don't think it is important enough to remove my skin to rid me of it, actually It gives me a distinction, like showing my perfect health for a 75 year old. Dave On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote: Dave, Did you get rid of the gray color on your face? How long did it take you to get rid of it? What did use? Melly --- On *Wed, 2/9/11, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com* wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2011 #46 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 10:06 PM
CSAnyone what what is actually in Live-Silver ?
Anyone know about this brand of CS? http://www.live-silver.com/Silverbest.htm It has a strong tyndall, but also has a particle size distribution chart that claims less than 5nm: http://www.live-silver.com/Silverbest.htm Based on what they write about splitting particles, I am guessing this is hydrogen peroxide added to CS? Any thoughts? I am surprised that adding peroxide could make a tyndall that strong, especially in daylight. I am wondering if maybe this is also a high ppm product? Them claim only 20ppm. Also, they plainly claim it is used by doctors intravenously on their homepage! Pretty bold! And this is the first time I had heard of that lab who did their measurement: http://www.microtrac.com/Services/LabServices/LabPricing.aspx They say $50 for a particle size distribution. Not a bad price. Anyone know how this equipment compares to CSLs (Frank's) measurements? They both say light scattering. Thanks, ~David http://scientificliving.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAnyone what what is actually in Live-Silver ?
Sorry, the link to the distribution is here: http://www.live-silver.com/particlesize.htm ~David On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:19 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone know about this brand of CS? http://www.live-silver.com/Silverbest.htm It has a strong tyndall, but also has a particle size distribution chart that claims less than 5nm: http://www.live-silver.com/Silverbest.htm Based on what they write about splitting particles, I am guessing this is hydrogen peroxide added to CS? Any thoughts? I am surprised that adding peroxide could make a tyndall that strong, especially in daylight. I am wondering if maybe this is also a high ppm product? Them claim only 20ppm. Also, they plainly claim it is used by doctors intravenously on their homepage! Pretty bold! And this is the first time I had heard of that lab who did their measurement: http://www.microtrac.com/Services/LabServices/LabPricing.aspx They say $50 for a particle size distribution. Not a bad price. Anyone know how this equipment compares to CSLs (Frank's) measurements? They both say light scattering. Thanks, ~David http://scientificliving.net/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #46
If you take vitamin C with EIS, would that increase risk of argyria? Adding vit C to EIS makes it look gray. ~David On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Neville No--Possibly a Multi vitamin but nothing of any consequence. I started Vit-C-lysine-proline and a couple grams of Niacin at a later date( about 6 years later) but I was still ingesting CS. Dave On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: Dave? Just to conclude from my end, you wouldn't happen to remember if you were taking/using/applying/inhaling or whatever anything else at the same time you were ingesting the EIS/CS would you? OK, that's the last question g. Apologies if I appear rather intrusive, PM me if you prefer. N. -- Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:52:44 -0800 Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2011 #46 From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com If people think vit C would help, I wonder if lipo-C would help. I also wonder if oral h2o2 could break up particles, like it does in a jar of CS. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Melly I tried the protocols that were going around at that time. A very knowledgeable list member named Jason Had a sure fire way with Selenium and Vit-E. It did nothing for me. The only way I have seen any lightening of the skin was when I tore some off and after healing there was a spot with normal color. I don't think it is important enough to remove my skin to rid me of it, actually It gives me a distinction, like showing my perfect health for a 75 year old. Dave On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote: Dave, Did you get rid of the gray color on your face? How long did it take you to get rid of it? What did use? Melly --- On *Wed, 2/9/11, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com* wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2011 #46 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 10:06 PM
Re: CSCS Doubt.
I recently got a couple colds though I was on oral EIS. Though I definitely got tons of benefit against many serious chronic infections I still have right now. It works. As a preventative, I have two thoughts. 1. Maybe EIS particle size may matter much more against viruses (colds and flus) than other organisms? 2. EIS may need to be sprayed in the nose or inhaled to prevent acute infections, which come in through those routes? Maybe oral EIS doesn't get their enough. I recently started spraying it in the nose. ~David On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Josh Armstrong josharmstr...@comcast.net wrote: Have been using the Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator for a little while now. Thinking I had really found something amazing, I have been trying to test it's effectiveness in various ways to prove to myself and my family that it works beyond a shadow of doubt. Nothing has really happened until this week when all of my family except myself has come down with the FLU. I barely ever get sick anyways, though the older I get, the more susceptible to sickness I seem to become. Which is natural of course. Anyways, I started taking larger doses of CS to prevent the FLU, a couple of days after the family got the FLU I finally got it too. Within the last three days I have consumed 2 quarts of CS with no perceivable signs of benefit. I have followed the directions Steve Barwick has written for use and care of Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator, and right now I'm feeling let down. Thinking either I did something wrong or the whole CS thing doesn't really work like it should or at all. Does anyone have any advice or feedback to help me out. How I prepare CS: -Using distilled water in mason quart jars. -and the Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator. -I let the machine run for a total of 3 hours, with a break after the first 1.5 hours to wipe of the rods. Finished product is clear, and reads approx. 7ppm each batch. The mason quart jars are covered with black duct tape to keep out the sun light as an added extra precaution. Josh Armstrong Knox, TN -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Doubt.
generally good advice, but I recently had a toxic OD of vitamin D. It turns out that vitamin D can really mess some people up if you have infectious disease (marshall protocol)! ~David On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: David, In addition to the EIS, try taking 4 - 6000 mg Vit.D3 daily. You won't get sick if you do! Bob - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:18 PM Subject: Re: CSCS Doubt. I recently got a couple colds though I was on oral EIS. Though I definitely got tons of benefit against many serious chronic infections I still have right now. It works. As a preventative, I have two thoughts. 1. Maybe EIS particle size may matter much more against viruses (colds and flus) than other organisms? 2. EIS may need to be sprayed in the nose or inhaled to prevent acute infections, which come in through those routes? Maybe oral EIS doesn't get their enough. I recently started spraying it in the nose. ~David On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Josh Armstrong josharmstr...@comcast.net wrote: Have been using the Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator for a little while now. Thinking I had really found something amazing, I have been trying to test it's effectiveness in various ways to prove to myself and my family that it works beyond a shadow of doubt. Nothing has really happened until this week when all of my family except myself has come down with the FLU. I barely ever get sick anyways, though the older I get, the more susceptible to sickness I seem to become. Which is natural of course. Anyways, I started taking larger doses of CS to prevent the FLU, a couple of days after the family got the FLU I finally got it too. Within the last three days I have consumed 2 quarts of CS with no perceivable signs of benefit. I have followed the directions Steve Barwick has written for use and care of Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator, and right now I'm feeling let down. Thinking either I did something wrong or the whole CS thing doesn't really work like it should or at all. Does anyone have any advice or feedback to help me out. How I prepare CS: -Using distilled water in mason quart jars. -and the Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator. -I let the machine run for a total of 3 hours, with a break after the first 1.5 hours to wipe of the rods. Finished product is clear, and reads approx. 7ppm each batch. The mason quart jars are covered with black duct tape to keep out the sun light as an added extra precaution. Josh Armstrong Knox, TN -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Doubt.
EIS is what many of us dorks call colloidal silver instead of CS. It stands for electrically isolated silver which indicates how it was made, because many colloidal silver products dont actually tell you they are made some other way. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:25 PM, K M leemo...@hotmail.com wrote: eis? what is it??? thanks..Leanne Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:18:51 -0800 Subject: Re: CSCS Doubt. From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com I recently got a couple colds though I was on oral EIS. Though I definitely got tons of benefit against many serious chronic infections I still have right now. It works. As a preventative, I have two thoughts. 1. Maybe EIS particle size may matter much more against viruses (colds and flus) than other organisms? 2. EIS may need to be sprayed in the nose or inhaled to prevent acute infections, which come in through those routes? Maybe oral EIS doesn't get their enough. I recently started spraying it in the nose. ~David On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Josh Armstrong josharmstr...@comcast.net wrote: Have been using the Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator for a little while now. Thinking I had really found something amazing, I have been trying to test it's effectiveness in various ways to prove to myself and my family that it works beyond a shadow of doubt. Nothing has really happened until this week when all of my family except myself has come down with the FLU. I barely ever get sick anyways, though the older I get, the more susceptible to sickness I seem to become. Which is natural of course. Anyways, I started taking larger doses of CS to prevent the FLU, a couple of days after the family got the FLU I finally got it too. Within the last three days I have consumed 2 quarts of CS with no perceivable signs of benefit. I have followed the directions Steve Barwick has written for use and care of Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator, and right now I'm feeling let down. Thinking either I did something wrong or the whole CS thing doesn't really work like it should or at all. Does anyone have any advice or feedback to help me out. How I prepare CS: -Using distilled water in mason quart jars. -and the Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator. -I let the machine run for a total of 3 hours, with a break after the first 1.5 hours to wipe of the rods. Finished product is clear, and reads approx. 7ppm each batch. The mason quart jars are covered with black duct tape to keep out the sun light as an added extra precaution. Josh Armstrong Knox, TN -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and dentures
Does CS stain real teeth? My teeth have been getting stained a lot in the last year or so. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.comwrote: I had a friend who's dentures would start really smelling bad and he would have to soak them in bleach to kill everything. I gave him some CS and he reported that it worked just as well as bleach, and didn't leave them tasting bad with chlorine. Marshall On 1/31/2011 11:55 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: Is CS a good thing to soak dentures in, instead of buying stuff from the store? ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO and nebulized CS
Thanks. Any idea if this is safe on humans? I'm going to try this on myself before I give it to my friend. Anyone know: the CS really does not react with the MSM at all? How does MSM potentiate the CS? ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:51 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: David, I use this mix: 1 oz CS - 1 tsp MSM powder- 12 drops DMSO Years ago I figured out what percent of DMSo this is but I have long forgotten. I mix it in a glass dropper bottle and usually use 3 ml as a treatment. I used it in an omron elite for many years until it died (the switch died)---now am using it in the edge-1 shown on the page the link you gave connects to. I HATE the edge-1 as it is incredibly noisy. After some searching I found another omron elite at ebay and it is supposed to be here tomorrow. I can hardly wait! The CS in my mix is my homemade about 10 ppm, the MSM I use is Opti-MSM, and The DSMO is just plain old vet grade DMSO as sold by Jeffers Equine, etc. (I am nebulize my pet rabbit twice a day, and you can see a photo of him getting a treatment at the homepage of the SilverPets list: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/SilverPets/ A 3 ml treatment with the edge-1 takes approx 15 minutes. If memory serves the Omron was a little faster. sol David AuBuchon wrote: I am starting to give someone nebulized CS. He has this nebulizer: http://www.portablenebs.com/omronelite.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CScan anyone this tyndall of tap water?
I just took some photos of the tyndall with a laser pen in the dark of several liquids. One thing I noticed that was the tyndall of tap water was not actually that bright. It was pretty dim in fact. The tyndall of a roughly 10ppm CS that went a little wrong was MUCH stronger. This CS was still mostly clear but was just borderline starting to turn yellowish. I always assumed tap water would have strong tyndall. I took all the photos in mason jars. ~David
Re: CScan anyone this tyndall of tap water?
So tap water has lots of ions in it, that contribute to lots of conductivity, but don't contribute to tyndall, and has very little particles in it that create very little tyndall? ~David On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Well filtered tap water should have no tyndall. Often tyndall in tap water is from bubbles, which quickly rise to the surface. Marshall On 2/1/2011 4:42 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: I just took some photos of the tyndall with a laser pen in the dark of several liquids. One thing I noticed that was the tyndall of tap water was not actually that bright. It was pretty dim in fact. The tyndall of a roughly 10ppm CS that went a little wrong was MUCH stronger. This CS was still mostly clear but was just borderline starting to turn yellowish. I always assumed tap water would have strong tyndall. I took all the photos in mason jars. ~David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO and nebulized CS
Rats...this confuses me more. Sounds like Brooks is implying that people have done nebulized CS when peroxide is added to it? Is that compatible with the other additions of DMSO and MSM? The peroxide my doc gave me I think was only 0.0375%. Brooks implies people nebulize with concentration even more than 2% added to CS? Sounds like there is a long road to slowly work up through if you want to take nebulizers to the max. First CS, then adding peroxide, then adding DMSO, then adding MSM, then taking cayenne, then using brooks' fancy nebulizer. It could take a long time to slowly increase through all that, but I may have to for myself someday. In addition to my friend, I know my lungs are infected with something as part of my chronic lyme. I don't have any response to that very low percentage peroxide or to 10ppm CS. ~David http://scientificliving.net/ On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:38 PM, David Snowdon nor...@netscape.ca wrote: I'd be very cautious when nebulizing DMSO on a smoker. It could release a lot of the stored poisons coating the lungs from smoking. Below is a message from Brooks Bradley: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:34:54 -0500 From: BROOKS BRADLEY Subject: Re: CSCaution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy To all interested listmembers: I have followed the recxent postings relative to incorporating H202 into the pulmonary system protocol involving nebulization. After inquiring from some of our staff involved in some of our evaluations several years ago ... I am informed that CAUTION is the watchword when dealing with unknown pathogenic parameters. I am informed that pronounced adverse reactions occurred in some of our animal evaluations. The problem was determined to be based upon the nature/condition of the biological terrain of the lungs --- AT THE TIME OF INHALATION. It seems that, although, the air sacs are superficially exposed to atmospheric 02 on every inhalation (excepting those compromised by anerobic pathogens insulated from this high O2 gas (air) ... there exists a circumstance presenting serious challenges to the UNREGULATED exposure to H202. The systemic challenge can manifest if sufficient volume of the H202 mist comes into sudden...direct contact with ANY sizeable anerobic population If there is a sizeable population of anerobes present ---WHICH PRESENT IMMEDIATE ACCESSIBLITY to the incoming H202 mist ... the possibility exists that the foaming action could be great enough to generate SERIOUS consequences. This possibility rises by an order of magnitude if DMSO is involved in the protocol. Our staff confirmed this through animal experiments. Adverse reactions were encountered in some cases involving H202 concentrations as low as 2%. The stabilizing protocol involved 100% 02 at 1.25 atmospheres --- and was instituted at the FIRST signs of pulmonary distress. In my opinion, administering CS in combination with H202 --- into an unknown pathogenic environment involving the lungs --- could be VERY serious. I am not attempting to be alarmist in this instance; just pointing out what should be obvious to all deliberate/cautious researchers. The odds against a serious adverse occurrence are, probably, higher than its likelihood ... but even long odds are not too desireable when the breathing system is involved. If one insists on experimenting with such a protocol, it would appear prudent to start at or below 0.5% H202. It would, also, be adviseable to mix a sample of the volunteer's sputum with a generous amount of your protocol solution and observe for reaction ... prior to inducing inhalation procedures. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDMSO and nebulized CS
I am starting to give someone nebulized CS. He has this nebulizer: http://www.portablenebs.com/omronelite.htm He does about 2 cc's, which takes about 10 minutes to nebulize. How much DMSO should I add to this much CS? If the answer is in percent, then percent by what (ie volume...mass...etc)? Any safety concerns? I'm just washing the nebulizer out with tap water between uses. He's always coughed up mucus, which got a lot better after alt. treatment for the cancer he has, a little of which touched his lungs. But he still has some mucus and coughing going on, and his voice has always been raspy. I think he smoked ages ago. He's done a lot of nebulized peroxide. I don't know what concentration, but a doctor gave that to us in bottles. I suppose you wouldn't want to do nebulized peroxide close to nebulized CS as a safety thing also. ~David
CSCS and dentures
Is CS a good thing to soak dentures in, instead of buying stuff from the store? ~David
