CS>James/Dr. Gruen

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi James,

I have no idea if he would object or not -- I've only seen him once and he
seemed like a nice guy, but who knows. I am definitely seeing him again in
early January for my test results -- so I think the most effective thing
would be if you didn't mind waiting till then and letting me ask him more.
I've already put a note in my book to do so. That way I  won't risk him
thinking it's weird that he gets a call out of the blue.
Is that okay? And if for any weird reason I forget or don't get answers then
his # is 310-966-9194 and you can call then.

Best,
Katarina
PS I'm signing off today so please reply directly.

Thank you, Katarina,

Do you think anyone would object if I attempted to locate him and call?

James Osbourne Holmes
a...@trail.com


-Original Message-
From: Katarina Wittich [SMTP:kato...@mindspring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 5:58 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re:CS/Argyria/James

Hi James,
The doctor's name is Dr. Hans Gruen, here in LA. It was my impression that
he was talking not about studies but about direct experience that he and his
colleagues have had. I have another appointment with him in January and I'll
try to ask him more then.

Katarina

> Can we contact the doctor for the source of his data?
> James Osbourne Holmes
> a...@trail.com
>

CS>Gene/Blasto

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Gene,
Blasto used to be classified as a fungus but for the last few years has been
classified as a parasite. It also used to be considered benign but is now
considered a pathogen. I gather it has characteristics of both a fungus and
a parasite -- which makes it extremely difficult to get rid of. I've taken a
ton of antifungals -- including c -- without sucess.
Katarina

In a message dated 12/15/99 5:20:56 AM Central Standard Time,
ejohns9...@aol.com writes:

<< If I were you I would definitely get checked for parasites -- many people
  with Candida also have Blastocystis. >>
From what I have learned, this is another fungal infection that can be found
on the skin or in the lungs.  General medical treatment is for antifungal
medicines.  One would need to learn where this has taken up residence.  If
it
is the lungs, one could consider CS delivered by nebulizer to reach these.

Gene Downey

CS>James/Gruen

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey James,
Great, I'll take these with me.
K

K.

I offer these suggestions for questions.

1. What was the source of the sol, and the method of production?

2. Was the sol tested for mg/L [PPM]?

3. Has the sol been examined for particle size?

4. If so, what was the observed concentration and/or particle size?

5. Were any other therapies being used concurrently with the Ag sol?

6. Did the patients have any history or suspected history of Amyl Nitrate
use?

7. Any history of IV non-prescription drug use?

8. Has the argyria been confirmed by clinical diagnosis other than gross
examination?

9. What secondary conditions did the patients have as a result of
compromised immune system?

Thanks.

James Osbourne Holmes
a...@trail.com

CS>Edith/Blasto

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Edith,
I've tried GSE and Artemesia Annua and garlic and olive leaf extract and
Chinese herbs and Humatin.
Katarina


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CS>Re: Jeanine/blasto

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Jeannine,

definitely check it out. Flagyl is quite innefective against the buggers and
also they are really easy to get back again if your system is weak -- as it
would be if you haven't gotten rid of the candida. It's a horrible but
frequent combination -- and each makes it tough to get rid of the other. If
you do turn out to have it -- this Humatin which I just took is supposedly
good at getting rid of it and very non toxic as it is not absorbed. Don't
know if it has worked for me -- but mine are pretty entrenched.
The other thing to check re candida -- I forget if you have -- is mercury
levels. Evidently candida eats mercury, so if you have a mercury overload --
from fillings or other sources, your body might not want you to get rid of
the candida. All very confusing.
I will definitely post when I finally get rid of the buggers.
Glad the vitamin c is helping.
Take care,
Katarina

> Katarina!!
>
> I didn't know this parasite and candida were related!! dang it - I had this
> stuff 2 years ago - I was deathly ill for about 3 months but supposedly
> flagyl got rid of them !!  I bet they are still there!! Gonna get a stool
> test - that would at least partly explain why my candida won't go away . . .
> . hmmm  thanks
>
> jeannine
>


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CS Uses FAQ 12/14/99

[Katarina Wittich]

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT COLLOIDAL SILVER USES

There are a multitude of uses for colloidal silver. This is a compilation of
testimonials of some of the ways in which list members have used colloidal
silver. It is in no way to be taken as medical advice or advice of any sort,
it is merely a compilation of the experiences of people on this list. You
should always consult a medical professional before imitating the actions of
anyone on the list - and you do so upon your own responsibility.

If you are interested in more details on any of the uses for colloidal
silver, go to the CS List archives at
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.htmland do a search for the
topic you are interested in. After you have done a
standard search also make sure to do a search in the body of posts as well.
You will find a lot of useful information that way.

Colloidal silver can be used for most situations in which one might need to
kill bacteria, funguses or viruses. This includes, but is not limited to:
Lyme disease, sinus infections, bronchial infections, skin problems of
various sorts, colds and flus, general immune system support, Aids, tooth
and gum support, warts,  candida, eye infections/irritations, food
poisoning,  etc. It is also useful for purifying water, disinfecting fruits
and vegetables, a disinfectant for home canned foods, killing shower fungus,
or fungus on plants, disinfecting cutting boards and almost any other
household uses that one can think of. It is also useful for treating pets -
do a search on whatever sort of pet you have for further info.

One thing to keep in mind when using colloidal silver is the possibility
that it can have an effect on beneficial bacteria in the gut, much as
antibiotics do. There is some evidence in research done on animals that
colloidal silver can deplete beneficial bacteria in the digestive system.
Most list members have not noticed any disruption of gut function from use
of CS, however, if you are concerned, beneficial flora can be replaced by
the use of pro-biotics or Acidophilus and Bifidus supplements.

Here are some of the ways in which members on this list have used CS. You
will see that there are many different possible dosages and methods of use
vary from person to person.

At the end of this compilation there are suggestions of things it would be
unwise to do with colloidal silver.

TESTIMONIALS
Aids:  For one list member's dramatic experience with the use of CS for HIV
go to the archives at http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html and
do a search under the Author List for "Simon Caleb"


Athletes Foot: I know CS cured athletes foot in two days for me.  Just
poured low ppm cs on cotton balls and squeezed it on my toes. Actually used
very little cs but did it two nights in a row. The lesions between the toes
cleared up by the third day. David Reese

Bronchitis:  A number of members have used colloidal silver in a nebulizer
with great success for bronchitis.
My husband used @ 50ppm cs in a nebulizer and inhaled in AM and PM for about
25 minutes each time and got rid of a nasty bronchitis in 24 hrs. Katarina
Do a search on the archives under Nebulizer Instructions and also under
bronchitis for dosages and
information on how to purchase or build a nebulizer.

Bronchitis: About 3 weeks ago my mom, E.B. got her "annual" fall bronchitis
which last year lasted through all of winter. She took low ppm CS for 2 days
and the bronchitis was totally gone. N.B.

Chiggers: I have used CS for my son with heat rash, pimples, and also
chiggers.  It works great.  I was surprised with the chiggers, these are
little bugs that burrow under the skin, they are very hard to get rid of.  I
mixed some CS with some skin lotion and it worked great. Donna

Deodorant: Several people on the list spray CS on their armpits and it works
very well as a deodorant.

Dry Eyes:  CS is very helpful for my burning, dry eyes.  Wonderful
relief after 2 yrs. of real pain.

Flu:  Using 5 ppm product we have found that 2 to 4 oz will stop the flu
dead in about an hour when it first appears.  Once you have it bad, it may
take 2 to 4 ounces every hour for 6 to 8 hours before you knock it out.
Marshall

Hydrocele:
One of my teen sons experienced acute hydrocele. I gave him CS for two days
before we could see the doctor. The swelling subsided and has not returned
since. N.B.

Lyme:  My Lyme/CS story is online at http://oikourgos.com/silverworks. In
short: I had unexplainable physical and neurological symptoms of all sorts
for much of my life. I was finally diagnosed with Lyme disease in Aug.,
1994. After 26 months of conventional antibiotics for Lyme disease (both
oral and IV), I attained about 95% health. At that point I plateaued in
healing but knew that the infection was still present in my body. I was sick
of being on antibiotics that messed up my GI tract and appetite. With
approval from my doctor, I discontinued the antibiotic therapy and began
self-treatment with low (10ppm)ppm collo

CS>Re: Carmen/good luck

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Carmen,
I'll be thinking of yo on the 16th.
Hope it goes well.
Katarina

>>
>> Hi, folks,
>>
>> I have been trying a few remedies, but I am sheduled to go into Hospital,
>> next Thursday the l6th for the operation.
>>
>> I have been taking the remedy from Hulda Clarkes recipy, drink Epsom
> Salts,
>> throughout the day and then Olive Oil and Lemon Juice at night proceeding
>> with Apple Juice, but it is nearly impossible to get a bed in Hospital
> here
>> in Australia, so I think I have to go with it.
>>
>> Thanks for all your wishes, and suggestions.
>>
>>
>> Carmen


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CS>Re: High PPm question/ silver proteins

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Fred and others -- this is getting me concerned about the Cs which I use
for my sinuses. It's made by Innovative Natural Products and says it's pure
electrocolloidal and says it is 500ppm -- I'm sure it's less than that - but
it's much more effective than my homemade for my sinuses -- probably because
it is much easier to get more of it up there with a stronger solution -- if
I wanted to get the same amount of my homemade up into my sinuses I'd have
to find a way to soak them rather than spray.

So is it impossible to make pure CS at high PPm's, like 50 or 60 which is
probably what this really is?

If so -- I maybe better stop using it -- but I hate to because it works so
well.
Help!!!
Katarina (on the way out but still asking questions! If anyone answers this
-- could you email to me directly as well. Thanks.)

> Terence, I would say you are not taking colloidal silver
> but possibly silver protein, which is the only way to get
> over 30-40 PPM. DC produced Cs is difficult to make
> at over 20PPM due to crystallization and users inform
> me HVAC can not produce over 40PPM.
>
> Now, if you want to get technical, PPM is by weight so
> it could be a few lumps of silver in a bottle but then it
> would still be mis-labeled as that is not a colloid!
>
> It could be a solution of silver salts (not colloid) as then
> you could get many 100's of PPM. It could also be just
> mislabelled and why the FDA keeps bothering us!
>
> The problem I see with very strong (concentrated)
> medicines is the chance of mis-use or overdose!
> Do you take 1/30 the dose others use? More is
> not often better and a homeopath will say less is
> better!
>
> Treating your gut with an antibiotic should be for a
> short term, as you also kill off you natural flora. I
> would not trust 150PPM and suggest you try a "more
> normal" silver colloid and just take more  of it.
>
> We test free, as do others, if you want to check the
> TDS but only a lab test can tell you what is in it!
>
> f...@health2us.com


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CS>Re: Happy Holidays and bye for now

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey everyone,

I'm going to sign off the list for a while. It's really hard for me to do
because you guys are a source of great pleasure, support and information,
but I spend too much time on the list every day -- and not enough on the
things I need to get done.

I'm starting a new project -- so for the next couple of months - until it is
finished  - I'm going to have to browse the list occasionally on the
archives for my fix -- but not read and reply every day.

Please feel free to email me personally at any time, because I will
certainly miss you all. I'm going to repost the CS Uses FAQ and my
suggestion would be that anyone who wants to repost it or add anything to
it at any time is welcome. Just change the date in the header so we will
know it's updated and email me a copy and I'll keep track of it.

I'll let you guys know what I find out from the doctor about his comments on
Argyria. And I'll probably hop back on with lots of questions when I finally
get around to using my meters.

But for now,
Happy Holidays and all my love to you all.

Katarina

Ps. Leaving on Thursday for three weeks, so if you email privately and I
don't respond I'll get back to you when I get back.
And Vilik -- I took the Humatin -- just finshed -- and I don't think it
worked -- I'm still very gassy and bloated. I'll be tested again in a couple
of weeks and let you know what I find out then. However - this new doctor I
went to says theres a new drug that is very effective on Blast that is not
approved by the FDA yet but very non-toxic and he gets it from Canada - so
that may be the next try. It's called Tinidacole. So, still Blasto Girl, I'm
afraid!


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CS>Re: Argyria/Marshall

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Marshall, 

this is interesting -- I didn't know the high ppm cs was usually made wiht
chemicals -- my bottle of high ppm says made by the electro-colloidal method
- nothing added?

But I'll try to get more info from Dr. Gruen when I see him next. Again -- I
don't think this was a study -- just personal observations of a holistic
doctor who works with Aids patients and believes in the efficacy and safety
of cs as long as it is not taken in large amounts.
And I bet some of the aids patients might rather be blueish and alive
anyhow.

Katarina

> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 09:01:28 -0500
> From: Marshall Dudley 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Argyria
> Message-ID: <384fb638.7fa91...@execonn.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> I wouldn't be too hasty to draw any conclusions.  It is my understanding that
> for aids they are often using high PPM colloidal silver.  For the most part
high
> PPM CS must be made by chemical means, such as reduction of silver nitrate,
> silver chloride and so forth, and traces of the silver compounds are left in
the
> resulting product.  In that case I would EXPECT argyria, since it is know to
be
> caused by chemical compounds of silver.
>
> Lets make sure the product used in these studies is truely HVAC or LVDC CS
> before assuming it relates to what we are taking.
>
> Marshall


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CS>Re:Sharon/candida

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Sharon -- that was a typo -- it's a stool test!! and yes, I've tested 
twice now with no candida - but many blastocystis always.
If I were you I would definitely get checked for parasites -- many people
with Candida also have Blastocystis.
Katarina

> Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:35:38 -0500
> From: "Sharon L. House" 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Re: Sharon/candida
> Message-Id: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Katarina,
>
> I'm not familiar with the stoll test. Could you please explain what this
> is? If you've had parasites confirmed with a test then who can argue with
> that, but if it was just the symptoms you mentioned, they can all be
> accounted for by the presence of candida. Did you also have a test that
> confirmed you no longer have candida? Please excuse the questions, but I'm
> not certain in my case whether my load of symptoms is mainly caused by
> candida or parasites. I had a fish tapeworm 25 years ago and thought I
> killed it off but I hear if you fail to get the head, it can reappear. I
> often wonder if that's not my problem today.
>
> Thanks,


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CS>Re:CS/Argyria/James

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi James,
The doctor's name is Dr. Hans Gruen, here in LA. It was my impression that
he was talking not about studies but about direct experience that he and his
colleagues have had. I have another appointment with him in January and I'll
try to ask him more then.

Katarina

> Can we contact the doctor for the source of his data?
> James Osbourne Holmes
> a...@trail.com
>


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CS>Argyria

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Guys,

I just went to see a new doctor -- a holistic MD who specializes in
chelation therapy -- among other things. I'm going to him because my hair
mercury tests were high and my regular MD wanted it checked out.

Anyhow, he seems very honest and intelligent and was very approving of my
use of CS for my sinus infections. When I asked him if he knew of any
negative side effects for CS he said that  they are beginning to see cases
of argyria (sp?) in Aids patients who are taking a litre or so of CS a day
-- but that in lesser amounts he know of no negative side effects. I asked
him was he sure that the argyria was with CS and not compounds and he said
yes -- it was definitely with CS. I forgot to ask if he knew what ppm they
were taking .

But I thought it was interesting -- and I didn't think he was an alarmist
type of person.

Hey Donna, are you out there? How are you doing?

Katarina


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CS>Re: Brooks/thank you!!!

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Brooks,
thank you so much -- that is very helpful. I am so much more comfortable
acting based on the results of experiments by people I "know" than trying to
sort throuhg abstract theories and decide whats true.

So thank you for sharing your experiments.

Best,
katarina>
> Dear Katarina.
> Back in late 1997 I posted some information that
> addressed the current draw considerations.  Our technical staff had
> determined that the "current rate"  appeared to have no effect, whatever, on
> particle size, no matter how rapid the rise in valueuntil it reached a
> specific region.then agglomeration did start to occur.  These
> evaluations involved DC systems, only.  The nominal value for current, at
> which the particle sizes appeared to escalate in size, was around 12.5 M.A.
> for simple two electrode systems with average clearance distance
> approximately 1.25"  (Regardless of the applied voltage).  For four
> electrode systems using the same clearance distances, the current value was
> approximately 23.5 M.A.   There were numerous variations in the "exact"
> generation system arrangements (including, aggitation, accelerants,
> temperature, applied voltage, etc), but the single most important
> parameter---we believe---is the upper limit at which one regulates, or stops
> the current flow from the generation system.
> In direct answer to your question relating to our using constant
> current limitation schemes (1 to 5 M.A.);   yes, we have employed a variety
> of them.  None yielded results with advantages sufficient enough to warrant
> their inclusion in our "high-volume" (or private) Colloidal Silver
> generation systems.   .
> Sincerely.  Brooks Bradley..
>


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CS>Re: David/thanks

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi David,
thanks,
I'll put it on my list of things to check out.
Katarina

> Katarina
> If you like to be amazed here is another book that is quite amazing that you
> could also order through the Price-Pittinger (sp) foundation. 800-266-5564 ,
by
> Aajonus Vonderplanitz titled " We want to Live".  He claims to have cured 236
> out of 240 cancer patients.  Partly by eating raw meats.
> David Reese


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CS>Re: Nellie/Milk

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Nellie, I have read that there is a strong possiblity that the calcium in
milk is more available when paired with the milk fat than in non fat milk.
Also more available if not pasteurized or homogenized. And I think different
people respond differently to milk -- but on the whole -- even in studies
done by the dairy industry themselves -- it turns out that women who drink
more milk have more bone fractures than those that don't.
So it's entirely possible that her bones got weaker because she switched to
low fat milk.
Katarina


>> Milk does not build strong bones -- it leaches calcium out of them.
> My understanding is that whole milk does help the bones, while lowfat or no
> fat milk does allow the calcium to be utilized. A number of years ago, my
> grandmother broke her arm. She liked drinking milk and had always used whole
> milk. The doctor was very impressed at how quickly the break healed. Shortly
> after that, she was told to drink no fat milk. A year and a half after that
> her spine started to collapse. it seems unreasonable that a woman in her late
> 80s, who had strong bones previously, should suddenly get weak bones. I
> attribute it to the change in her milk drinking.
> Nellie
> Christ, my all  <><
>


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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V99 #815Jo/Ameriden

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Jo, tried it again -- it works for me.
Katarina

> Can't seem to access the ameriden.com site. Is the address correct in =
> this post?
>
> Jo
>
>
> Which is a must to read. It will answer many questions. =
> www.2ameriden.com  . I can assure you that our =
> product works extremely well. If you have any questions please feel free =
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CS>Re: Carmen

[Katarina Wittich]

I hope it will go extremely well.
Let us know.
Katarina

> Thanks Kataariina,
>
> No I havent been to a naturopath, there sdoesnt seem time.
>
> I will let you know when I go in to Hospital, thanks.
>
> Carmen


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CS>FW: Particle size questions

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey everyone,
I'd love to hear feedback on this dialogue I've been having with Brooks
off-list.
And Brooks, were some of the runs current limited and some not?
Thanks,
Katarina
  Dear Katarina.
You may, certainly, share my comments with
others.
Sincerely.  Brooks

Katarina Wittich wrote:

> Hi Brooks,
> Wow. So that means that according to your tests the golden color doesn't
> necessarily mean larger particle size than clear. Were the golden samples
> made with honey  so that maybe it wasn't particle size that affected the
> color, but some addition?
>
> Just to make sure I got it right. This doesn't mean that you can't make cs
> with larger particle size -- obviously if you use contaminated water you
> will have larger particle size. But if you make good quality cs with good
> water the particle size doesn't seem to vary. Were some of your solutions
> current limited and some not?
>
> And would you mind if I post this private exchange on the list because I am
> sure it would be of interest to others?
>
> Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions!
>
> Take care,
> Katarina
>
> > Hello Katarina'.
> > Some of our samples were clear and some were
light
> > golden in color (those containing one small drop of honey).   We did not
find
> any
> > increase in particle size between the light golden colored and the clear
> > solutions-regardless of the system used to generate them.   The particle
> sizes
> > varied between .015 and .012 microns, generally, with .013 microns being the
> RMS
> > (root mean square) average.
> > We have found that the principal causes for large particle
> agglomeration to
> > be contaminants of one type or anothereven quite minor ones.
> > It is possible to get color variations through solution contaminate
> conditions,
> > quite independent of the silver cluster enlargement characteristic.  And
some
> of
> > these closely resemble the color expressed by the silver
> molecule-light-dispersion
> > characteristics, displayed as silver particles agglomerate into large
masses.
> > Sincerely.  Brooks.
> > Katarina Wittich wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Brooks,
> >> that is so interesting.
> >> Am I correct in assuming that all the samples you sent were clear and had
> >> good tyndall? Were any of them yellow? My question being, does your
> >> experiment mean that - at the particle size  created by clear solutions
> >> there is no discernable difference in size. Approximately what was the size
> >> of most of the particles?
> >>
> >> But it doesn't mean that if you make your CS badly or if you aim for yellow
> >> cs you won't have bigger size particles, does it?
> >> And yes, this is very helpful!
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Katarina
> >>
> >> > Hello Katarina.
> >> > Yes, that is exactly what I mean.  An
electron
> >> > microscope resolves to better than 120,000 diameters.  It will , easily,
> >> resolve
> >> > beyond .001, therefore it most certainly will discriminate between larger
> >> > diameters.
> >> >
> >> > I hope this helps.  Sincerely.  Brooks Bradley.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Katarina Wittich wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Brooks,
> >> >>
> >> >> Does this mean that regardless of the process you always ended up with
> >> >> approximately the same particle size according to the electron
microscope?
> >> >> How precise is an electron microscope? Does it tell the differece
between
> >> >> .001 and .01 ?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> >> Katarina
> >> >>
> >> >> > To all interested list members.  I have
been
> >> >> > reluctant to enter this discussion, but since we have some actual,
> >> objective
> >> >> > data on this issue, I will break my covenant of silence.  I do this
> knowing
> >> >> that
> >> >> > many on the list do not possess the discretionary funds required to
have
> >> >> > multiple electron microscope runs performed (@ $120.00 each).  In 1997
> we
> >> had
> >> >> a
> >> >> > number of specimens examined

CS>Particle size questions

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey everyone,
I'd love to hear feedback on this dialogue I've been having with Brooks
off-list.
And Brooks, were some of the runs current limited and some not?
Thanks,
Katarina


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CS>Re:Pig fat

[Katarina Wittich]

If this is true -- and it sure sounds like it is - it's one of the most 
amazing things I've ever read.
It seems most of the things I believed as little as a year ago are not true.

Milk does not build strong bones -- it leaches calcium out of them.
Flouride does not build strong teeth and prevent cavities -- but it does do
awful damage to you.
Vegetable oils are not better for your cardiovascular system than animal
fats.
Tofu is not the best thing since sliced bread.

Sliced bread is pretty questionable unless it is sprouted or whole grain

etc etc

Katarina

> Hi V,
>
> According to Dr. (phD, not MD ) Mary Enig,  pig fat is much healthier than
> hydrogenated veggie oils.  See if you can find her site.  Mind boggling.
>  Another example of how bad we've been had.
>
>
> James Osbourne Holmes
> a...@trail.com


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CS>Ivan question

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Ivan,
I realize those two pieces you posted have really been bothering me. (sorry,
I don't have them to repost)

But what sort of silver were those experiments on the animals done with?
Were the particles as small as ours in colloidal silver would be? How do you
think those studies extrapolate to CS? It certainly seems like they would
support the idea that it does cross the blood/brain barrier and stay there
and possibly cause damage.

I'm curious what you think.

Katarina


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CS>Re: Olive Leaf Extract

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Guys,
this Ameriden site that Carol Ryan uses has very interesting info on Olive
Leaf extract -- including maybe reasons that the East Park might not have
worked for sharon. I'd definitely check out this site before ordering from
anyone.

Heres the letter I got today.
Katarina
Dear Katarina,12-3-99
My name is Richard L. Hall. I own AMERIDEN International here in San
Diego County, California. We have manufactured the finest quality Olive Leaf
Extract on the market today. It also has the highest amount of oleuropein
content of all the powdered extracts currently in the market place (21% to
24% oleuropein by certificate of analysis) despite what their label states.
We know because we have theirs tested periodically.
Carol Ryan asked me to answer any questions that you might have on Olive
Leaf Extract. First, let me qualify myself. I've been with the Olive Leaf
Extract coming to market, in a powdered capsule form, since the beginning in
1989. My company supplied all the leaf for making olive leaf extracts here
in the U. S. A. till June of 1998. William Fredrickson, the lay-chemist who
began the whole process of olive leaf extracts here in the U. S. A., made
the very first batch of olive leaf extract in 1989 with the leafs I sent to
him and over time we became good friends. I was given private information by
William on how to make the original formula. I supplied information and
pictures to Dr. Morton Walker for the writing of his book "Natures
Antibiotic,Olive Leaf Extract" and am mentioned in chapter four, pg 61. My
company is the only company that I know of that tests it's competitors
products for the true oleuropein content. We use the original formula
(William Fredrickson's formula) for manufacturing our Olive Leaf Extract,
called "THE ORIGINAL OLIVE LEAF EXTRACT." Our website features The Truth
About Olive Leaf Extracts letter. Which is a must to read. It will answer
many questions. www.2ameriden.com  . I can assure
you that our product works extremely well. If you have any questions please
feel free to call Toll Free M-F Pacific Standard time 1-888-405-3336.

Best Regards, Richard L. Hall, AMERIDEN



>
> It's strange what will work for some people and not others. My husband and
> I ordered and consumed a case of Olive Leaf Extract from East Park and
> neither one of us had any effects from it whatsoever. I even tried another
> brand of it but all to no avail. I have a real bad case of systemic candida
> and my husband has toe and finger nail fungus.
>
> I have also tried grapefruit seed extract, garlic (you wouldn't BELIEVE how
> much garlic!), MSM and also caprylic acid and got no results from those
> either. No improvement and no dieoff.
>
> However, colostrum, HSOs and colloidal silver REALLY do it to me.
> Excruciating dieoffs where I'm sure I won't survive the next hour. I have
> no idea why some things work so well and some don't work at all. I also
> built and faithfully used the Hulda Clark zapper with no results
> whatsoever. Husband also, same results, none.
>
> Sharon

CS>Re:Jeff/grumpy/electric blanket

[Katarina Wittich]

Okay Jeff,
the grumpy thing had me howling!!

Personally, I would avoid an electric blanket -- it just seems to me that we
have so little idea what effect electricity has on the body -- why risk it.
Even the zapper makes me slightly uncomfortable as an idea -- but it is
being applied for short periods of time for a purpose -- not every night.

Guess I won't be invited in with you and the wife and the dog eh?
Katarina

> I'm thinking about my electric blanket. So far I've been comfortable with it
> because it's a low current resistive device that wouldn't produce nearly the
> magnetic flux density of many other household components. But lately I'm
> finding that many of the things I thought, I thought wrong.
>
> The other great thing about this blanket is that it has two controls. I can
have it
> my way and she, hers...and the dog has a choice!
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Jeff
> "I never wake up grumpy...I just let her sleep"


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CS>Re: herbal remedies for children.

[Katarina Wittich]

One really good thing is just to make sure the air around her is not too 
dried out -- use a humidifier and several times a day take her in the
bathroon with the shower on and just breathe the steam. You can also add
eucalyptus or sage oil to the steam, but keep everything really mild for
babies. I don't know much else, but one of the most important things is just
to explain to her that colds are really important for children -- they are
like exercise to the immune system -- without stimulation it won't work
properly as an adult. So fevers and runny stuffy noses are all good and
important -- the body learning how to hel itself -- and you don't want to
suppress that action -- just help it on it's way, for instance by keeping th
mucus loose and moving by steaming.
there are lots of good books in the bookstores -- maybe someone can suggest
one.
Good luck -- I think it's so great when a grnadmother tries to help change
our terrible trend toward drugs and destroying our bodies natural wisdom.
Also remind her that fevers are only bad if they go on too long or are
extremely high. Otherwise they are the body burning out bad stuff and need
to be allowed to run their course.
That's true for us as adults too!
Take care,
katarina

> Help, my granddaughter has a head cold with a cough (from the throat not =
> the lungs) she is 6 mos old, and I'm wondering if there are herbal =
> remedies which could help her.  I really want to help her mom learn that =
> she dosen't have to drug her.  Does anyone know if ginger tea is safe =
> and in what dose? or other herbs & the proper dose. I'm pretty new at =
> this!  Thanks.


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CS>Re: Bil/nebulizer

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Bil,
my husband used it for a chest cold and it cleared it up in about a day. We
bought a nebulizer from the store instead of building one -- but it is my
understanding that a built one works even better than the storebought. You
do have to be careful not to use it for too long at any one time or it can
irritate your lungs a bit. I wouldn't be suprised if it would help a smokers
lungs some -- but remember that cs only heps when it gets in contact with
damaged tissues, and a smokers lungs might be quite coated. Marshall also
reccomends taking NACL to help clear the lungs of mucus along with
nebulizer.
Hope this helps,
Katarina


> Katarina,
>
> Thank you for posting the instructions for such
> a helpful low cost instrument.  Have you (or
> anyone else out there) heard of other uses for
> this device (the nebulizer {using an airbrush} )
> for applying CS to the lungs.
>
> How about for chestcolds, coughs, to help the
> lungs before or after quitting smoking?
>
> Bil
>


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CS>Re:S-parrow/water Oz

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Sparrow,
what recent news?
Katarina

> However, in view of some recent news, I got, I am a little hesitant about
> continuing to recommend WaterOZ products. . . . . .
>
>
> Sparrow


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CS>Re: Sharon/candida

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Sharon,
I know I have a parasite because of my digestive symptoms -- huge bloating,
flatulence, lack of energy etc. So I get tested with a stoll test and the
parasite continues to show --- despite all the herbs to get rid of it.
Because I have been fighting both candida and the parasite for a long time
with a lot of different things, I am not completely sure what got rid of the
candida.

But here is a letter I wrote to Carmen with the basic regime.
Let me know if you want more info.
Katarina

Dear Carmen,

I did a lot of things together to get rid of the candida - so it is hard to
tell which one worked - but I will tell you the basics.

One thing is that I had all my amalgam fillings taken out because the
mercury in your body keeps the immune system so busy that it can't fight the
candida. The candida would not go away until I had them replaced.

I changed my diet completely so I ate no sugars, dairy, wheat or alcohol and
very little fruit. It was hard giving up pasta - but I found a good brown
rice replacement pasta by Tinkyada. If you need diet tips I'll be glad to
give them to you.

I took 500mg of grapefruit seed extract three times a day - and also a lot
of garlic.

First thing in the morning -- and then again in the evening - an hour before
eating I made a shake of a glass of water, a teaspoon of psyllum, a
tablespoon of bentonite, 1/2 tsp each of acidophilus and bifidus, a teaspoon
of Caprol which is a liquid caprylic acid, and a number of drops of a
homeopathic anti candida remedy. I can give you more detail if you want. I
think the important thing is to make sure your bowels keep moving to flush
the candida out and to make sure you ge tenough probiotics like acidophilus
and bifidus. You need to take them at a different time than the candida
killers like grapefruit seed because it will kill them.

I hope this is of help -- unfortunately I don't know which parts of the
regime were the most important, but I think that the diet, removal of
mercury amalgam fillings, taking candida killers, taking probiotics and
making sure your bowels move once or twice a day are the keys.

Don't hesitate to ask more if I can help.

Take care,
Katarina


> Katarina wrote, in part:
>
>>I had all my amalgams taken out in three visits over the course of two
>>months. Sometime during that time or right after I also succeeded in killing
>>off all or most of my candida. However - I am still struggling with a
>>parasite that won't leave.
>
>>thanks again and I hope you feel better soon.
>>Take care,
>>Katarina
>
> Katarina,
>
> How did you kill off your candida, if you please. And also, how do you know
> that you have a parasite? Please excuse the delay in responding. And thank
> you.
>
> Sharon
>


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CS>Re: Carmen/surgery

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Carmen,
my only question is did you get a second opinion from a really good
naturopath?? I just know I would have had both sinus surgery and had half my
thyroid out last year -- both unneccessarily, if I hadn't insisted on
finding natural approaches and lots of second and third opinions and
retesting.

But if you do have the surgery, please let us know what day so we can all
send some good thoughts your way and hope it goes well and quickly.

Best,
Katarina

> Carmen (second try)I think I have found out about the stones too late =
> now Katarina, I have to go to the Hospital.
>
> Thanks for all the advice and information, but the Doc, says it is too =
> big to disolve, and it is probably also too old.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carmen


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CS>Re: Marshall/magnets

[Katarina Wittich]

Thanks marshall,
interesting. Great idea for the screwdriver.
I'll experiment
Katarina

> Theoretically you could, but the problem is holding the needle to point in the
> right direction. The easiest way to magnetize a needle is to take it and
> stroke across a permanent magnetic.  Not sure why the stroking makes it work,
> but I do it with screwdrivers when I get them so they don't drop the screws.
>
> Marshall


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CS>Re: Brooks/particle size

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Brooks,

Does this mean that regardless of the process you always ended up with
approximately the same particle size according to the electron microscope?
How precise is an electron microscope? Does it tell the differece between
.001 and .01 ?

Thanks,
Katarina

> To all interested list members.  I have been
> reluctant to enter this discussion, but since we have some actual, objective
> data on this issue, I will break my covenant of silence.  I do this knowing
that
> many on the list do not possess the discretionary funds required to have
> multiple electron microscope runs performed (@ $120.00 each).  In 1997 we had
a
> number of specimens examined under electron microscopy, at an independent
> laboratory.  Among these were 27 vdc (using batteries),  36 vdc (regulated ),
28
> vdc (regulated power supply),  18 vdc (reg. pwr supply),  12 vdc (reg.pwr.
> supply),  10,000 vac,  1000 vac;  generated using COLD (35 DEGREES  F..), ROOM
> TEMP  (80 DEGREES F.), and HOT (180 DEGREES F.).  ALL RESULTS were so similar,
> that NO visible differention was possible.using the unaided human eye.
> since the magnification was in excess of 100K, most of the discussion is---at
> least to us---moot.
> I do not mean to be confrontational/adversarial in
this
> matter.  These are just our findings.  Others may have data which contravenes
> ours.  If so, I would be most appreciative of receiving their commentary.
> Sincerely.  Brooks.
> Jeff Gilman wrote:
>
>> Mark Metcalf of Silver Solutions says that its impossible to change the
>> particle size. That the laws of electrochemistry prove that the particle
>> size remains constant regardless of the voltage, temp of the water, etc.  I
>> would like to get this issue settled once and for all.  Can anybody point me
>> to any references which will prove or disprove this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jeff


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CS>Re: Marshall/magnet

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Marshall, so I guess that's what happened. Could I possibly remagnetize
it by exposing it for a while in the opposite direction??
K

> Exposing a compass to a strong magnetic field can permanently
> remagnetize the needle.  A group I was with in 1982 had one get totally
> messed up when a flying saucer passed overhead a few 100 feet away, and
> the compass had to be returned to the company on their lifetime
> guarantee.  They said they had never seen one so badly messed up before.
>
> Marshall


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CS>Re:James/thanks

[Katarina Wittich]

Thanks James,
thats good to have for the files.
Katarina

> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 20:40:16 -0700
> From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" 
> To: "'silver-list@eskimo.com'" 
> Subject: RE: CS>Re: James/gallstones/Carmen
> Message-ID: <01bf3d06.6d575000@trail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
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>
> Hi Katrina,
>
> I am fairly confidant of the way it works.  A very brilliant man who is
> trained in both western alleopathy and homeopathy  as well told me about
> that one.
>
> He  told me to eat nothing but drink apple juice for about 4 days, and then
> drink about 4 oz of olive oil.  Bile is important in digesting fats.  When
> fat shows up in the bloodstream, the gall bladder contracts, in proportion
> to the amount of  fat present.
>
> 4 oz of olive oil into an empty system is a lot of fat.
>
> James Osbourne Holmes
> a...@trail.com
>


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CS>Re: Janine/reverse polarity

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Janine, that's fascinating, although I'm sorry you learned the hard way.
Is there an easy way to find out if you have reverse polarity?
Thanks,
Katarina

> Okay Gang:
>
> in case this has never been discussed here - if you have reverse polarity
> (about 5% of the population does) using magnet therapy will increase your
> pain level !! - I found out the hard way.  I ended up in a hospital bleeding
> internally in 1998 from magnet therapy.
>
> as we have said here many times - what works for one - may not for other
> people.
>
> jeannine


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CS>Re: David/Marshall/Magnets

[Katarina Wittich]

Okay -- I think I got this figured out -- but tell me if I'm wrong.

Both David and Marshall agree that from their research it appears that the
north pole of a magnet is the one to be used for most healing and for
magnetizing water. This pole can be identified as either the south seeking
side of a magnet -- or the side that the north seeking needle on a compass
points too.

So if this is true the large magnet that I bought for magnetizing water is
properly labelled -- but the two tiny ones that I bought in the health store
for my knuckle pain are labelled incorrectly and the reason they didn't help
my knuckles is that I was actually applying the south side.

Thats pretty scary that they sell (for a fair amount of money I might add)
improperly labelled magnets which could then end up having the opposite
effect of what you wish!!

But at least I know how to test now -- however - I have another question.
Yesterday - before I really understood this stuff -- I used my husbands
cheapo compass to check which poles the magnets were. Today his compass is
pointing it's red arrow at the south pole. He swears that it is supposed to
point the red part of the arrow at the north pole and that it was doing that
yesterday, but somehow got switched today.
Is that possible? Could pointing it at a strong magnet do that? It's not
demagnetized -- it points accurately at the north and south poles  (we
checked on the expensive compass which he won't let anywhere near my
magnets) but with the wrong sides of the needle.

Feedback, guys?? Other than that husbands are always right??

Katarina



> Marshall Dudley wrote:
>
>> >We have been though all this before.
>
> Yep, we've been there', done that.
>
>> >The magnet may be labeled the north pole, or the
>> >north seeking pole, either of which may be labeled north, >but are opposite.
>
> Not sure what you mean here, but if you mean the north
> pole of a magnet is the opposite of the north seeking pole,
> I agree.
>
>>To make matters worse some literature considers the true
>>north pole of the earth as a south magnetic pole,<
>
>>so in that case both north seeking and north pole of the
>>magnetic would point north.
>
> I guess my magnets and I  are physically handicapped.
> I have a front side and a back side and I don't know
> how to get both sides facing the same direction.
> My magnets have a north pole (south pole seeking side) and a
> south pole (north pole seeking side) and they don't know how
> to get their north pole side and their north pole seeking
> side to face the same direction at the same time.
>  
>  
>
>> >Even worse, no one was able to say conclusively if the north >pole that
> is suppose to be
>> good for you is really the north >pole, or the north seeking pole.
>
> Not true. On page 22 of their book, "Magnetism and it's effects on the
> living System" 
> Davis and Rawls have a drawing that
> shows the "Earth" magnet as a bar magnet on the central axis
> of the Earth and the bar magnet's north pole is very clearly
> next to the Geographic north pole.
>
> On page 6, they say:
> "It is of the upmost importance that you understand how we arrived at
> identifying the poles
> of a magnet, as many present-day magnet manufacturers do not code or
> identify the poles
> correctly. The two poles of any magnet are the N
> pole and the S pole. As does the Earth, a magnet also has its two poles.The
> simple means of
> Identification of the two poles is to take a long straight bar or cylinder
> magnet and tie a
> string or thread at its center. Then tie the thread to a support that will
> allow the magnet
> freedom to swing freely, keeping it away
> from all metal objects. The magnet will turn and slow,then
> stop turning. The end of the magnet that is pointing to the N pole of the
> Earth is "the S
> pole of the magnet."
>  
>
> This is the information I used to make my magnet pads.
> The magnets seem to have the effect Davis and Rawls say they
> should have. That's pretty much all I need to know relative
> to poles of a magnet.
>  
>
> Best Regards Everyone,
>
> David
>  

Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:45:17 -0500
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POTTED PLANT wrote:

> Marshall Dudley wrote:
>
> > >We have been though all this before.
>
> Yep, we've been there', done that.
>
> > >The magnet may be labeled the north pole, or the
> > >north seeking pole, either of which may be labeled north, >but are
opposite.
>
> Not sure what you mean here, but if you mean the north
> pole of a magnet is the opposite of the north seeking pole,
> I agree.
>
> >To make matters worse some literature considers the true
> >north pole of the earth as a south magnetic pole,<
>
> >so in that case both north seeking and north pole of the
> >magnetic would point north.
>
> I guess my magnets and I  are physically handicapped.
> I have 

CS>Re: Marshall/magnets

[Katarina Wittich]

Oh Marshall,
that's depressing that even you can't answer this question. I was hoping it
was just me being dense.
 Makes me think that the only safe way of magnetizing water until someone
figures this out is Lew's way of mixing both pole waters!! When you
magnetize water -- what do you do? Use the pole that the north seeking
magnet points to? Or south seeking?
Take care,
Katarina


> We have been though all this before.  The magnet may be labeled the north
> pole, or the
> north seeking pole, either of which may be labeled north, but are opposite.
>  To make
> matters worse some literature considers the true north pole of the earth as a
south
> magnetic pole, so in that case both north seeking and north pole of the
> magnetic would
> point north.  So basically there is no consensis.
>
> Even worse, no one was able to say conclusively if the north pole that is
> suppose to be
> good for you is really the north pole, or the north seeking pole.
>
> Marshall


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CS>Re: David/Magnets

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey David -- I think my magnet weighs five pounds so the string thing won't
work.
K

> Hi Jeff and magnetees,
>
> When Davis and Rawls check out a magnet, they don't even
> bother with a compass. They say they hang the magnet on a
> string and which ever end, side,or face orients itself towards
> the northern hemisphere is the *south* pole of the magnet.
> I guess they never played with boats when they were children.
> Maybe they were never children.
>
> The compass needle is just a magnetized needle and the end that points to
> north is the
> south end or otherwise known as the
> *north-seeking* end.
>
> Yeah, Jeff, you must have had the south side up, under the pillow. I'll try
that
> tonight.
>
> Hey, Jeff, something just occurred to me.
> Maybe the magnet you used is one of those new imported
> Israeli Mother-in-law magnets. After it gives you the headache,
> it gives you a craving for chicken soup.
> The S and N markings don't mean South and North.
> They mean Son-in-law and Not-son-in-law.
>
> Okay, I'll stop.
>
> David


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CS>Re: Donna/skin coloration

[Katarina Wittich]

Donna,

I wish so much that we could do something to help alleviate your anxiety
because that has to be doing you so much harm right now. I know that when I
am scared about something -- like a cancer scare that I had a while ago -- I
keep reminding myself that things usually turn out for the better -- and
that if they turn out for the worse than I will have to deal with it then --
and that I will manage, but that meanwhile it does me no good and a lot of
harm to let myself worry about something that might not be wrong.

I think it would really help us help you if you could sit down and type out
all the details.

Like : Where is it near your nose? How much area does it cover? Anywhere
else? (there are a lot of blood vessels in that area and it could be that
they are showing more for some reason) Is your skin darker all over?
Did you notice greying before or after your bowels were loose?
I assume you were taking the cs for lyme? Is that true? What other
medications are you on and have you been on?
Have you taken any homemade cs or just the WaterOz and CsPro?

And what are you doing to take care of yourself and check out what might be
causing this? It seems really important to find out what this is - not just
wait for it to go away -- if only because it is causing you such anxiety.
And the loose bowels might be a symptom of something - although they could
just come from the anxiety.

Are you going to see a doctor and get checked out? Even if your hubby and
son don't see it  (which is good news because it means it is probably not as
bad as you think) it is important to honor your own perceptions and make
sure this is not a warning signal. And none of us can tell you what it is -
we will only be guessing -- you need to see a health professional for that.

But please, do whatever you can do to help yourself get calm about this --
find some way to hold your own hand and let yourself know that whatever it
is - you will be allright -- and a most likely a month from now you will
look back with relief that there was nothing very wrong at all.

Cyberhugs,
Katarina

> Katarina,
>   It is not blue it is a gray color.  It is near my nose, my hubby and son do
> not see it.  I have also had loose bowels for about two weeks and I am in
> high anxiety mode right now.  My skin looks darker also.
>
> Donna Earnest


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CS>Re: Marshall/disolved gases.

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Marshall,
thanks for your explanation of how agyria works and for this one about
boiling water.
I find when I boil the water and use it still hot my solution is yellow
instead of clear -- indicating larger particles. I also find it really hard
to boil anything without contaminating the water as my ceramic teapot seems
to collect deposits which are hard to get off.
But maybe I will try some experiments with boiled cooled water -- once I get
my meter going and figure it all out.
Thanks.
Katarina

> If the water has dissolved gases in it then the conductivity goes up, and most
> likely the particle size goes up as well.  Boiling will degass the water and
> should produce smaller particle size.  Hot water increases the conductivity
> also, and produces larger particle size, likely due to aggregation.  Smallest
> particle size should be produce with pure water that is degassed, that is,
> boiled, and cooled to room temperature before using.
>
> Marshall


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CS>Re: Jeff/magnets

[Katarina Wittich]

Uh -oh, Jeff,
see this is what was confusing me and I go hopelessly dislexic even thinking
about it -- so I hope you guys can figure it out and let me know!!!
Katarina

> This is really very interesting!
>
> I tried sleeping with a magnet under my pillow.  I woke up with a headache
> most every time. Maybe I had the wrong pole up!
>
> I assume the compass needle end that says north, is magnitized as a south
pole?
> If not, it would not be attracted to north. I have floated a magnet in water
(on
> a piece of styrafoam) and it alligns with the earth's poles. Using this
method, one
> would call the end pointing south, the north pole.
>
> Does this make sence?
> Jeff


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CS>Re: David/Magnets

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey David,

Great! that's the answer I needed. The side the North needle points at is
the north magnet -- I guess it's simple!

Now for the other questions.
Most important -- do you think it would work to put a magnet under or on the
5 gallon metal holding tank of my reverse osmosis water system and
magnetize the water that way?? And would it be a bad idea to make all of my
drinking water north magnetized -- so far I've been doing a lot of mixing
north and south as per Lew. What do you think?

And for placing a woter container on a magnet -- does the entire bottom of
the container have to be on the magnet? Will it also work if the magnet is
thick- one inch -- and 3900 gauss, but only covers 1/3 of the bottom of
container.

Thanks for the info!!

Take care,
Katarina
>
> Hi Katerina and listees!
>
> I'll go with the compass!
>
> When I recently bought some more magnets to make a
> "magnetic pad" I marked each side of each magnet according
> to the north-seeking end of the compass.
>
> I aimed the compass at each magnet and which ever side of the
> disk magnets attracted the north-seeking end of the needle I marked as north.
I
> marked the other side as south.
>
> Now, Davis and Rawls say that the north pole of a magnet
> has a soothing effect and is what you should put on an injury.
> They say that north will reduce swelling and accordingly, pain
> and bruising.
>
> They say that the south pole is invigorating and will tend to increase the
> swelling of an injury.
>
> They took a bunch of earth worms and divided them into three
> groups-- a control group, a "North" group and a "South" group.
> The "south" box of worms rested on the south pole of a magnet and was kept
> distant from the other worms. The "north" box
> of worms was on the north pole of their magnet, while the control worms had no
> magnet.
>
> The control worms lived normal lives and deaths and *did not*
> chew their way out of the box.
>
> The north worms were not as healthy as the control worms and had a higher
death
> count.
>
> The south worms were healthier than the control worms, ate
> all the food in the box and most chewed their way out of the box.
>
> I managed to ram my right knee onto the end of a board and
> that is when  I decided to try the magnet pad idea. (Hobbled right out to Home
> Depot). I put the *north* side of my home-
> made pad against the owie and wrapped it with an elastic
> bandage which I got when I was hobbling home.
>
> In less than 8 to 12 hours later the pain  minimized to the point
> that I some times had to stumble over the coffee table to
> remember that I was a cripple.
>
> There was hardly any bruising at all and three days later I stopped using the
> pad.
>
> S, I'll believe the compass! Although, to properly
> test this I should bang my other knee and use the south side
> this time and see if I am in agony for 6 weeks.
> oo I'm feeling achy already just at the thought.
>
> I put some Mexican jumping beans on the north pole of one
> magnet and some on the south side of another.
>
> The south beans jumped all over the place.
> The north beans didn't do as well.
> In 4 days we could have had Mexican coffee.
>
> Compass works for me.
>
> David
>  
>  
>
> Katarina Wittich wrote:
>
>> Okay guys, lots of questions.
>> I just got my large magnet for magnetizing water and it's north side is
>> marked differently than the north side on my smaller magnets -- so one of
>> them is wrong. I know this because when I put a compass near the large
>> magnet the needle swings north when faced with the north marked side -- but
>> when I put the compass near the north side of the small magnets the compass
>> needle swings to the south. Help!!!Which one is right??? This could be kind
>> of dangerous!!
>>
>> Next question is that I got a 3 by 6 by 1 inch because it ws the cheapest I
>> could find. Does the magnet need to completely cover the bottom of the water
>> container you put on it? Or will it work if it only covers part??
>>
>> And, lastly -- I asked this before but nobody answered -- is there any
>> reason I couldn't put the magnet on the metal tank of my reverse osmosis
>> system? The water sits in there for a long time -- and I've heard of
>> attatching magnets to pipes -- but don't know if they work that well. Would
>> the fact that it is metal matter -- or that it is large -- 2 gallons --
>> instead of a litre. If the magnet was there permanently -- would it work?
>>
>> Help!! and thank you.
>> Katarina
>>
>> Ps -- I know there was a lot of discussi

CS>Re: Sam/olive leaf/Carol

[Katarina Wittich]

Oooh, Sam, that's scary about East Park. I'm definitely curious to hear what
Carol has to say. I wonder what her healer who makes the stuff thinks about
right and left spin.

Thanks for the warning.
Katarina


> Olive LeafFolks,
>
>   Carol and I caught East Park in a bit of a fraud, so I'd not recommend =
> their credibility. They claimed the book about olive leaf was written =
> about their product, and we discovered it most decidedly wasn't. Wait to =
> hear what Carol has to say. She's got the goods on olive leaf, among =
> other things.
>
>   Sam


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CS>Re: OT Diane/miscarriage

[Katarina Wittich]

Diane,
I'm so sorry about your miscarriage. I think our society often 
underestimates what a loss it is to lose a baby, no matter how young, so
people seldom get enough support to mourn a miscarriage. And even if it
means that that little one probably wasn't strong enough to come out into
the world, it's still hard to say goodbye.
so I hope you are okay and wish you great luck with the next one!
Take care,
Katarina


> I have not been current on all the posts in the last few daysI've been
> "busy" having a miscarriage.  and no.I was not taking any cs.  I'm sure
> it was a fluke.  But...we'll try again =-)  AnywayI've used the delete
> button a lot lately, as I know I'll never catch up.
>
> SoI dont' know what I've missed here, but I am interested to know  more
> about this "ionic silver".  Is that what this WaterOz is
>
> Where does one obtain four gallons of it???  Whatever other info you can send
> me on it to bring me up to speed, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Diane


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CS>Re: James/gallstones/Carmen

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi James,
I don't know why my friends doctor thought the flush was necessary in
addition to the apple juice. And I'm not certain that dissolving the stones
was the point of the apple juice. It was just a guess -- which is why I
think it is important that Carmen do it under supervision of someone who
would know the best way not to end up with a stuck stone.
Take care,
Katarina

> That protocol is designed to build up a large store of bile in the bladder,
> by not eating fats, which trigger bile secretion into the small intestine.
>  When the olive oil hits the fasting system system the gall bladder
> contracts powerfully, and forces the stones out.  And yes, one can get a
> stuck stone.  If the Apple juice reduced the stones, then why not just take
> it until they gone?
>


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CS Uses FAQ (revised 12/1/99)

[Katarina Wittich]

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT COLLOIDAL SILVER USES

There are a multitude of uses for colloidal silver. This is a compilation of
testimonials of some of the ways in which list members have used colloidal
silver. It is in no way to be taken as medical advice or advice of any sort,
it is merely a compilation of the experiences of people on this list. You
should always consult a medical professional before imitating the actions of
anyone on the list - and you do so upon your own responsibility.

If you are interested in more details on any of the uses for colloidal
silver, go to the CS List archives at
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.htmland do a search for the
topic you are interested in. After you have done a
standard search also make sure to do a search in the body of posts as well.
You will find a lot of useful information that way.

Colloidal silver can be used for most situations in which one might need to
kill bacteria, funguses or viruses. This includes, but is not limited to:
Lyme disease, sinus infections, bronchial infections, skin problems of
various sorts, colds and flus, general immune system support, Aids, tooth
and gum support, warts,  candida, eye infections/irritations, food
poisoning,  etc. It is also useful for purifying water, disinfecting fruits
and vegetables, a disinfectant for home canned foods, killing shower fungus,
or fungus on plants, disinfecting cutting boards and almost any other
household uses that one can think of. It is also useful for treating pets -
do a search on whatever sort of pet you have for further info.

One thing to keep in mind when using colloidal silver is the possibility
that it can have an effect on beneficial bacteria in the gut, much as
antibiotics do. There is some evidence in research done on animals that
colloidal silver can deplete beneficial bacteria in the digestive system.
Most list members have not noticed any disruption of gut function from use
of CS, however, if you are concerned, beneficial flora can be replaced by
the use of pro-biotics or Acidophilus and Bifidus supplements.

Here are some of the ways in which members on this list have used CS. You
will see that there are many different possible dosages and methods of use
vary from person to person.

At the end of this compilation there are suggestions of things it would be
unwise to do with colloidal silver.

TESTIMONIALS
Aids:  For one list member's dramatic experience with the use of CS for HIV
go to the archives at http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html and
do a search under the Author List for "Simon Caleb"


Athletes Foot: I know CS cured athletes foot in two days for me.  Just
poured low ppm cs on cotton balls and squeezed it on my toes. Actually used
very little cs but did it two nights in a row. The lesions between the toes
cleared up by the third day. David Reese

Bronchitis:  A number of members have used colloidal silver in a nebulizer
with great success for bronchitis.
My husband used @ 50ppm cs in a nebulizer and inhaled in AM and PM for about
25 minutes each time and got rid of a nasty bronchitis in 24 hrs. Katarina
Do a search on the archives under Nebulizer Instructions and also under
bronchitis for dosages and
information on how to purchase or build a nebulizer.

Bronchitis: About 3 weeks ago my mom, E.B. got her "annual" fall bronchitis
which last year lasted through all of winter. She took low ppm CS for 2 days
and the bronchitis was totally gone. N.B.

Chiggers: I have used CS for my son with heat rash, pimples, and also
chiggers.  It works great.  I was surprised with the chiggers, these are
little bugs that burrow under the skin, they are very hard to get rid of.  I
mixed some CS with some skin lotion and it worked great. Donna

Deodorant: Several people on the list spray CS on their armpits and it works
very well as a deodorant.

Dry Eyes:  CS is very helpful for my burning, dry eyes.  Wonderful
relief after 2 yrs. of real pain.

Flu:  Using 5 ppm product we have found that 2 to 4 oz will stop the flu
dead in about an hour when it first appears.  Once you have it bad, it may
take 2 to 4 ounces every hour for 6 to 8 hours before you knock it out.
Marshall

Hydrocele:
One of my teen sons experienced acute hydrocele. I gave him CS for two days
before we could see the doctor. The swelling subsided and has not returned
since. N.B.

Lyme:  My Lyme/CS story is online at http://oikourgos.com/silverworks. In
short: I had unexplainable physical and neurological symptoms of all sorts
for much of my life. I was finally diagnosed with Lyme disease in Aug.,
1994. After 26 months of conventional antibiotics for Lyme disease (both
oral and IV), I attained about 95% health. At that point I plateaued in
healing but knew that the infection was still present in my body. I was sick
of being on antibiotics that messed up my GI tract and appetite. With
approval from my doctor, I discontinued the antibiotic therapy and began
self-treatment with low (10ppm)ppm coll

CS>Re:Donna/ CS questions for everyone

[Katarina Wittich]

Oh Donna,

I'm so sorry you are going through this -- it must be so scary. I remember
at one point I thought I was turning a little grey -- but it just turned out
to be the result of die off and not feeling well -- which I hope it will be
for you too.

My only suggestion - since it can't hurt and could help -- is to go buy a
lot of organic cilantro and chop it up in the blender or food processor and
eat a couple of tablespoons at least every day. There is evidence that it
has helped get murcury out of the body in as little as three weeks, so it
might chelate silver out as well -- if that is what this is. And I don't
think it could hurt.

Is there anyone else out there who has taken CSPro or WaterOZ at the rate of
a cup a day? If you have and are not blue I'm sure that would be somewhat
consoling to Donna.

If good wishes mean anything then you'll be fine because we are all wishing
the best for you.

Take care,

Katarina

> I am at the point where I would try to bleach
> my face if I knew that it helped.
DONT!



 Any suggestions?
>
> Donna Earnest


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CS>Re: Wong

[Katarina Wittich]

> Hey Wong -- this basically happened to me a month ago -- that my silver
> varied for no reason.
>
> Maybe the time of year? Were you having your period?
> Just kidding.
> Katarina
>
>>
>> Ivan
>> Some time ago I posted a problem I had with CS. My solution was yellow and
>> had something like yellow mucus in it. I noticed later that this mucus was
>> from a yellow strand (like a thread) coming off the positive electrode to the
>> bottom of the jar. At times, the yellow mucus also covered the sludge on the
>> negative electrode. Most of the mucus is reabsorbed into the solution
>> overnight. There is a good tyndall. No sparklies.
>>
>> I thot it might be the water (WalMart). So I used a previous batch which was
>> ok. After 1 batch, same problem again.
>>
>> This only occurs when I try to make 16oz of CS. I have not altered any
>> procedure except added water and increased time to 6 hrs or more when I'm out
>> shopping. Tried chilled water per Marshall using old and new water but still
>> got yellow color with mucus. No problem using your method with either water
>> for 8oz, 3 hrs, 12-15 volts output. Except once or twice, always clear
>> solution with visible tyndall.
>>
>> Now for no apparent reason subsequent batches are clear using old water and
>> new water for comparison. However, tyndall is very light. My output voltage
>> is now 9-12 volts
>>
>> What do you think?
>> Wong
>
>
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CS>Re: IONIC SILVER

[Katarina Wittich]

It was my understanding from the Water Oz literature that ionic silver was
even smaller than colloidal and therefore there would be even less chance of
it getting trapped under the skin and turning you blue.



> Several other people, (myself included) are taking WaterOZ as well.   They
> advertise it
> as a "ionic" silver, not a collodial silver.   Could this be different
> enough from the collodial
> (Bob says it measures out at about 60ppms) to cause this greying?Or
> could it be
> that with the higher ppm, and drinking the same amounts as the weaker home
> made
> stuff, that Donna has indeed drunk enough to have arygria?
>
> And in the meantime, is there anyone out there who has any ideas, comfort,
> whatever for
> Donna?   I'd be freaking out if I were her, and I'd like to see this list
> help her out!
>
>
> A confused,
>
> Sparrow


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CS>Carmen

[Katarina Wittich]

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CS>Carmen (second try)

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Carmen,

I think the stones were dissolved/ dislodged the day after he drank the
olive oil. But I read somewhere that the  gallstone flush can be dangerous
under certain circumstances. It had something to do with the possiblity of
stones getting lodged somewhere and necessitating emergency surgery. So I
think it's really important that you find a good naturopath to guide you. It
could be that you might need to do something to shrink the stones first -- I
think the apple juice helped with that.
Take care,
Katarina



Thanks Katarina,

I am leaning now of the natural treatments, and I am going to give it a try,
do you know how long after the apple juice and Olive Oil were ingested the
man was able to dislodge it.?

I am told it is a very big one in my Bile Duct.

Carmen

CS>Nebulizer Instructions

[Katarina Wittich]

Dear List members,
Here are Brooks' complete instructions for making a nebulizer.
In the future we can tell people to do a search for Nebulizer instructions
in the archives.
Katarina




> From: Brooks Bradley 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 10:45 PM
> Subject: New Experimental CS X Oxygen Protocol For Unresponsive
> Pulmonary Pathogens
>
>
> To all interested list members,
>
> I would like to relate an experimental protocol recently developed by
> one of our younger (and brighter) staff members. He originated the
> idea and assembled all parts into a working model in less than two
> days---after his original inspiration.
>
> The original problem manifested as a result of our fruitless search
> for some effective procedure for attacking the bi-lateral form of
> those bacterial pneumonias which have proved non-responsive to all of
> the anti-biotic protocols.  This challenge has been especially dear
> to our hearts since one of our engineers lost his 47 year old wife (a
> wonderful school teacher), at the age of 47nine years ago.
>
> We have used this system on 3 volunteersand this onlywithin
> the past four weeks.  However, we have been absolutely astounded by
> the results.
>
> One 75 year old ashma sufferer, unable to gain more than momentary
> relief during the past 8 years, was able to dispense with his very
> labor-intensive (unbelieveably costly) hospice-assisted protocols
>  18 days after undertaking this protocol. We now suspect
> that his ashma was the result of some form of secondary bacterial
> pathogen..this because of the speed and degree of his recovery.
>
> Another of our volunteers (71 years), afflicted with a sub-clinical
> bronchial infection-non-responsive to any protocolincluding
> Rife Beam Ray Therapy, has improved by at least 75% within the past 21
> days.and shows every indication of complete resolution within
> the next week or so.  This volunteer was in perfect health in every
> other wayexcept for the bronchial disorder (complicated by a
> minor but persistant post-nasal drainage)
>
> The third volunteer was an 81 year old male, completely
> non-responsive to all therapies for bi-lateral pneumonia of a
> bacterial nature.  This condition had persisted for 6 months and he
> was approaching a moribund state, very rapidly.
>
> 24 hours after beginning this protocol, he encountered a very serious
> crisis evolving from major Herxheimer's Reaction.  Pustule formation
> was so rapid and intense,  100% oxygen support was requiredand
> the treatment protocol was suspended for two days, while the
> volunteer's condition was stabilized.
>
> Two days after resumption of the Oxygen-CS  protocol, no supporting
> O2 therapy was required as the subject was fully able to breathe
> adequately unassisted.  The volume of sputum/pus fluid was massive.
>
> Excepting very sore chest area (from prolonged coughing)  the
> volunteer was much improved.  Within five days he became very alert
> and began to overcome his narcoleptic tendencies.  Within ten days he
> became ambulatory again. Within 15 days his lungs were unobstructed
> enough he could breathe fully, with no audio evidence of fluid
> presence in the pulmonary tract.  Yesterday (the 21st day) his lungs
> checked to be 90% clear, with only one tiny spot in the lower left
> quadrant of the left lung.
>
> His M.D. pulmonary specialist is in a state of "schock" over the
> developments.  His analysis is this is the most pronounced case of
> "spontaneous remission" in his 30 years of practice.  No one has
> informed the M.D. of our experimental protocols, used on this
> volunteer.  Our volunteer's immediate family is so irate over the
> fact that his alleopathic pulmonary "team" was totally unable to
> reverse his decline toward immediate life-departure (the crisis
> management team did offer to place him on 100% life support until
> clinical death)  they wanted  to instigate some form of legal action.
>
> We reminded them of their earlier agreement with us, that regardless
> of the outcome of our experimental protocol, "neither the procedural
> result nor the protocol itself, would be broached with the
> volunteer's alleopathic counsel".
>
> Additionally, based upon the anecdotal nature of this one case, there
> is no way to prove efficacy.
>
> THE PROTOCOL:   This consists simply of using a nebulizing system
> constructed from a conventional artist's air-brush assembly, with
> modified pneumatic plumbing facilitating its connection to a
> pressure-regulated pure O2 supply.  The air-brush mechanism was
> chosen because it provides an exeptionally economcal means of
> furnishing a very small particle aerosol fog (4 micron vicinity).
>
> Using a very simple adapter from the air-brush pressure regulator,
> to the O2 supply hose coupling, plus a standard welding system size
> oxygen fitting (female), the assembly is connected directly to the
> Oxygen port outlet fr

CS>Re: Carol/Olive leaf

[Katarina Wittich]

> Wow Carol,
> how wonderful that you have had the courage to help so many other people
> turn their lives around. There should be more of you! Especially because
> then you'd have more time to share with us!! So don't feel pressured to get
> us the info -- but I appreciate it hugely and look forward to hearing what
> you have to say.
> Take care,
> Katarina
>
>
>> Olive LeafOlive Leaf Respsone:
>> Hi everyone, I am sorry I did not realize that there was such a response =
>> to Olive Leaf.  I have been very busy taking care of my husband who has =
>> myasthenia Gravis, a muscle paralysis disease and my 87 year old father =
>> who opted to go nutritional rather than surgery on his eye that has a =
>> cataract, glaucoma, a blocked retina, a mini stroke in it, and a blocked =
>> carotid artery.  For both of them what I have done would be called a =
>> miracle because they have both improved so much.  I know its not a =
>> miracle its just simply the knowledge that if your give your body what =
>> it needs it will heal itself.  My husband spent most his home time in =
>> bed for the last year.  Colloidal Silver got him out and mowing the =
>> lawn.  A friend of mine designs extremely potent, organic supplements =
>> that have promted my husband to say he almost feels normal again.   =
>> Doctors told my family they would probably have to take my fathers eye =
>> out if he did not have their surgery.  So much for the EXPERTS
>> Well, as for Olive Leaf Extract I will have the Master Herbalist on line =
>> to answer all questions because he is so informed and he owns the =
>> company that makes  the Olive Leaf I buy.  Right now it 10 PM so I will =
>> call him in the AM.  I use to buy East Park Research Olive Leaf also, =
>> but switched to Ameridan.  He does not spray the Olive Leaf leaves.  His =
>> product is high potency.  He is not a business man he is into healing.  =
>> I have the utmost respect for Richard Hall.  I don"t mean to hold off =
>> for another day but your health and questions are to important and there =
>> is no obligation to buy from just to learn. I know I told some of you I =
>> would tell you what formulas I have come up with to help my father and =
>> husband buy I was so busy researching and learning what to do for them =
>> that I never got around to sharing what I have learned.  I will now take =
>> the time to put it on the silver list.   My sister who is stage four =
>> cancer is doing pretty good too, I have her on some specially designed =
>> formulas that after chemo and radiation treatments the nurse took some =
>> tests and was amazed that she did not need to have some injections that =
>> other chemo patients.do.  Now that she is not taking the rest of chemo =
>> she is just taking nutrition she is perking up.  Stay tuned.
>> I threw the nutritional book at her and she is doing it, with the help =
>> of my friend the nutritional formulator.
>> Carol Ryan
>
>
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CS>is this working?

[Katarina Wittich]

Is this working - all my mail to the list is getting returned.
Katarina


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CS>Re: Nebulizer instructions/can't find

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Mike et al,

I tried looking for the nebulizer instructions myself and couldn't find
them. If anyone does -- would you just post them again and I will find some
way to label them and put the info in the FAQ so that they are easier to
find. It looks like they are in there in a post from Ivan as attatchments --
but my computer won't open them -- so I'll just put them in whole and label
them. As I remember it was a couple of posts as Brooks updated the info.
Katarina

>> Can anyone tell me where I can find instructions and a protocol for
>> the airbrush nebulizer?  I looked in the archives but it doesn't
>> seem to be readable there.  Thank you so much for your help.


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CS>Re: Magnets/Help!!!!

[Katarina Wittich]

Okay guys, lots of questions. 
I just got my large magnet for magnetizing water and it's north side is
marked differently than the north side on my smaller magnets -- so one of
them is wrong. I know this because when I put a compass near the large
magnet the needle swings north when faced with the north marked side -- but
when I put the compass near the north side of the small magnets the compass
needle swings to the south. Help!!!Which one is right??? This could be kind
of dangerous!!

Next question is that I got a 3 by 6 by 1 inch because it ws the cheapest I
could find. Does the magnet need to completely cover the bottom of the water
container you put on it? Or will it work if it only covers part??

And, lastly -- I asked this before but nobody answered -- is there any
reason I couldn't put the magnet on the metal tank of my reverse osmosis
system? The water sits in there for a long time -- and I've heard of
attatching magnets to pipes -- but don't know if they work that well. Would
the fact that it is metal matter -- or that it is large -- 2 gallons --
instead of a litre. If the magnet was there permanently -- would it work?

Help!! and thank you.
Katarina

Ps -- I know there was a lot of discussion about whether the north side of
magnets is really the north or the south -- but it just confused me terribly
-- so what I need is a simple and practical answer. Thanks.

> Hi,
>
> I have just found out that I have Gallstones , in my Gall bladder and one
> large one stuck in my bile duct, and I think I have to have an operation.
>
> I am seeing a specialist surgeon tomorrrow, I wonder if this could have
> anything to do with the chronic diarrhea I have had suffered with for over
> 30 years.
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
>
> Carmen
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CS>Olive Leaf

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi everyone,
If you guys are interested in Olive leaf extract -- I did extensive research
on the net before buying mine and was convinced that East Park makes the
best -- they were the originators and the only ones that manufacture it with
a right reflective spin that allpws the body to use it.

I got mine on the net from Scott Howard at Unlimited Enterprizes
1-800-730-4139. He has some fairly convincing info on his site about the
need for a right reflective spin -- and also East Park supposedly has 35%
oleuropin. I don't have the Url any more but you could do a search for
Unlimited Enterprizes and look at his info.
katarina

CS>Re: Carmen/gall bladder

[Katarina Wittich]

Carmen,
I know that allopaths do a lot of unnecessary gall bladder surgery and that
there are natural cleanses that can clear them out -- but they should be
done under the care of an experienced natural doctor. I have a friend who
got rid of his and avoided surgery by drinkin apple juice for a week and
then a large amount of olive oil. So make sure you talk to a good naturopath
before doing surgery.

Good luck,
Katarina


> Hi,
>
> I have just found out that I have Gallstones , in my Gall bladder and one
> large one stuck in my bile duct, and I think I have to have an operation.
>
> I am seeing a specialist surgeon tomorrrow, I wonder if this could have
> anything to do with the chronic diarrhea I have had suffered with for over
> 30 years.
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
>
> Carmen
> -


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CS>Re: Ear ringing

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi, for everyone with ringing in their ears -- have you tried osteopathy? An
Ostepath who is a pure osteopath -- ie does only manipulation -- can often
fre up the bones of the head and clear up ringing in the ears and TMJ as
well as improving radically the over all health of the body as everything
gets unjammed and fluids and energy flow unblocked.
Katarina


> Hi,
>
> I've had ringing ears for as long as I can remember and I'm 51 years old
> (even tho I sometimes hate admitting that).  Mine supposedly is caused by my
> TMJ problems.  I have a bad right jaw joint and a bad problem gritting my
> teeth at night which creates havoc with the muscles from the top of my head
> to the tips of my toes, so to speak.  Lotsa pain.  Temples and head/neck
> muscles are always tight, shoulders bad news,  tho with work thru a
> specialist the problem is lots better.  They say the muscle tightness and
> inflamation in the muscles has caused tinitus, thus the ringing.  One doctor,
>  at one point when we were discussing how many ibuprofen I was consuming per
> day,  asked if I was experiencing any ringing in my ears.  I asked why, and
> she said with the amount I was taking, it was/could be considered an
> overdose,  and one symptom of that was ringing in the ears.  Well, I'm still
> living on high doses of ibuprofen, also sudaphedrine to help keep ears
> clearer and sinuses at bay as they are also affected by  the TMJ.  Ringing is
> still constant and loud.  Sometimes my ears ring so loud, I turn the TV up to
> try and block out the sound.  I'm hoping CS will help some,  also am trying
> to get more info on Colloidal Copper as I read it helps inflamation.  I'm
> very much in the dark on it all as only recently learned about CS.  I also
> have a lot of pets -  cats and dogs- plus I am a foster home for stray cats,
> so am hopeful CS will work for some of their problems also.  I have a 12 year
> old sheppard I dearly love, but she has hip poblems so bad - don't know if
> it's too late to try her on CS and the copper also.  Any ideas anyone?
>
> Good luck on the ear ringing.  Would like to hear if you have any progress.
> I'm still very much  in the dark on what I should even be taking for dosages.
>  Am also thinking of trying to make some in the future.  Waiting on a couple
> of books I sent for to try and get better educated on this whole thing.
>
> For you conspiracy buffs, of which I'm one, I also read that humming and
> ringing in the ears can be caused from the presence of ELFs and there are a
> lot of new towers going up all over the place where I live.  Problem is I'd
> never know if it was from the low frequecny waves or from regular tinitus cuz
> it never quits.
>
> Best of Luck,
>
> Barb


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CS>Re: Dennis/Olive Leaf

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Dennis -- one thing it claims to do is get rid of parasites -- which CS
is not known to be very effective at.
I'm about to find out results of my tests - so I don't know if it has been
working or not -- but I sure had a huge surge of die off when I started on
it.
Katarina

> << what can olive estract do that cs can't?
>  and at about 1/100  the price?
>
>  Dennis >>


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CS>Re: Bil, boiling water.

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Bil,
so , I have two questions.
Doesn't heating the water increase particle size? As the particles bump into
each other and agglomerate and make cs faster but bigger particles?

And how do you boil water in a glass jar without it breaking? What kind of
jar? I looked for glass kettles in the store but didn't find anything.
Thanks,
katarina


> I have been making CS for some time.  I started out
> with a 16 oz. jar and was told to use boiling hot
> distilled water and no salt to have the smallest particle
> size.
>
> Now I use a gallon jar.  The distilled water I buy here
> in California always tests below 2 ppm.  I boil the
> water in a very clean glass pot.  If I use cold water the
> CS process takes forever.  Also no matter how much
> I limit the current (as low as 2 mA) the cathode always
> gets very thick with sludge.  This is my setup:
>
> One gallon glass jar (clean)
> Plastic lid
> 99.99% silver, 1" x 3.5" (wetted)
> Food grade stainless steel, 1" x 8" (wetted)
> Stainless steel bolts and nuts (on lid)
> Electrodes spaced 1/2" apart
> 30 volts DC
>
> Some of you guys are using 120 volts AC rectified and
> filtered to produce ~170 volts DC.  How much current
> are you running?  What is the advantage?
>
> Is it possible to make 5 or 10 ppm CS by the gallon
> without the sludge using low voltage?
>
> Thank you very much for your replies.
>
> Bil
>


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CS>Re: Carol/olive leaf

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Carol -- who do you get your olive leaf from? And did you read the stuff
that said that only east park makes really effective olive leaf because of
the left spin -- or is it right spin? Anyhow, yours is obviously effective -
so I am curious.
Take care,
Katarina
> Diane,
> My family and I have been using Olive Leaf extract for a few years now, it
> has cleared up arrhythmia, lowered insulin in diabetes, pulled my sister out
> of pneumonia in three days and saved her the trip to the hospital.  Another
> sister had four lumps on her body for 10 years and did everything
> nutritionally to rid herself of them, she even went on a fast, Olive leaf
> cleared them up in
> about one week.  Another sister has had bartleleen cysts (sp) they are the
> size of golf balls, she had them for about 30 years and they were gone in
> about a month.  Awesome stuff.  I had done a lot of research on Olive leaf
> and will only purchase from a man who does not spray his olive leaf and has
> the most potent percentage.  I could share the company name if it interests
> you.  I hope you get as good results as we do.
> Carol   Ryan

H


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CS>Re: Yvonne/sinus/FAQ

[Katarina Wittich]

Ahah -- here is a chance to put to use the infamous FAQ. Yvonne, please 
check under sinus for info!
Katarina
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT COLLOIDAL SILVER USES

There are a multitude of uses for colloidal silver. This is a compilation of
testimonials of some of the ways in which list members have used colloidal
silver. It is in no way to be taken as medical advice or advice of any sort,
it is merely a compilation of the experiences of people on this list. You
should always consult a medical professional before imitating the actions of
anyone on the list - and you do so upon your own responsibility.

If you are interested in more details on any of the uses for colloidal
silver, go to the CS List archives at
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.htmland do a search for the topic 
you are interested in. After you have done a
standard search also make sure to do a search in the body of posts as well.
You will find a lot of useful information that way.

Colloidal silver can be used for most situations in which one might need to
kill bacteria, funguses or viruses. This includes, but is not limited to:
Lyme disease, sinus infections, bronchial infections, skin problems of
various sorts, colds and flus, general immune system support, Aids, tooth
and gum support, warts,  candida, eye infections/irritations, food
poisoning,  etc. It is also useful for purifying water, disinfecting fruits
and vegetables, a disinfectant for home canned foods, killing shower fungus,
or fungus on plants, disinfecting cutting boards and almost any other
household uses that one can think of. It is also useful for treating pets -
do a search on whatever sort of pet you have for further info.

One thing to keep in mind when using colloidal silver is the possibility
that it can have an effect on beneficial bacteria in the gut, much as
antibiotics do. There is some evidence in research done on animals that
colloidal silver can deplete beneficial bacteria in the digestive system.
Most list members have not noticed any disruption of gut function from use
of CS, however, if you are concerned, beneficial flora can be replaced by
the use of pro-biotics or Acidophilus and Bifidus supplements.

Here are some of the ways in which members on this list have used CS. You
will see that there are many different possible dosages and methods of use
vary from person to person.

At the end of this compilation there are suggestions of things it would be
unwise to do with colloidal silver.

TESTIMONIALS
Aids:  For one list member's dramatic experience with the use of CS for HIV
go to the archives at http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html and
do a search under the Author List for "Simon Caleb"


Athletes Foot: I know CS cured athletes foot in two days for me.  Just
poured low ppm cs on cotton balls and squeezed it on my toes. Actually used
very little cs but did it two nights in a row. The lesions between the toes
cleared up by the third day. David Reese

Bronchitis:  A number of members have used colloidal silver in a nebulizer
with great success for bronchitis.
My husband used @ 50ppm cs in a nebulizer and inhaled in AM and PM for about
25 minutes each time and got rid of a nasty bronchitis in 24 hrs. Katarina
Do a search under nebulizer and also under bronchitis for dosages and
information on how to purchase or build a nebulizer.

Bronchitis: About 3 weeks ago my mom, E.B. got her "annual" fall bronchitis
which last year lasted through all of winter. She took low ppm CS for 2 days
and the bronchitis was totally gone. N.B.

Chiggers: I have used CS for my son with heat rash, pimples, and also
chiggers.  It works great.  I was surprised with the chiggers, these are
little bugs that burrow under the skin, they are very hard to get rid of.  I
mixed some CS with some skin lotion and it worked great. Donna

Deodorant: Several people on the list spray CS on their armpits and it works
very well as a deodorant.

Dry Eyes:  CS is very helpful for my burning, dry eyes.  Wonderful
relief after 2 yrs. of real pain.

Flu:  Using 5 ppm product we have found that 2 to 4 oz will stop the flu
dead in about an hour when it first appears.  Once you have it bad, it may
take 2 to 4 ounces every hour for 6 to 8 hours before you knock it out.
Marshall

Hydrocele:
One of my teen sons experienced acute hydrocele. I gave him CS for two days
before we could see the doctor. The swelling subsided and has not returned
since. N.B.

Lyme:  My Lyme/CS story is online at http://oikourgos.com/silverworks. In
short: I had unexplainable physical and neurological symptoms of all sorts
for much of my life. I was finally diagnosed with Lyme disease in Aug.,
1994. After 26 months of conventional antibiotics for Lyme disease (both
oral and IV), I attained about 95% health. At that point I plateaued in
healing but knew that the infection was still present in my body. I was sick
of being on antibiotics that messed up my GI tract and appetite. With
approval from my doctor, I disc

CS>Re:Lew/Happy thanksgiving.

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Lew,
Glad you are having a good time and Happy Thanksgiving to you too!
Katarina

> Hi Chuck,
>  It is nice to hear a familiar voice again. I was lost in
> cyberspace for some time,riding the Photon Sound Beam and surfing Rife's
waves. I
> was caught drunk imbibing an overdose of radonically charged  Colloidal Silver
and
> an excess of photons, while watching the last day of Mercury in retrograde. I
> zoomed past the land where the silver-producing  bacteria are found. I was
> teleported back to earth in time to say  Happy Thanksgiving to you and sundry.
>
> With regards
> Lew


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CS>Re: Rob/butter

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Rob,
I've heard that 1/2 butter and 1/2 Barleans flax oil mixed make a healthy,
yummy spread.
Katarina
never tried it myself since I don't eat butter any more -- although maybe
I'll end up going back to it. Who knows.

> Curses, every time I start to feel comfortable-(health wise) using
> something, along come the 'smarties' who make me want to change!!
> As a family we changed from using butter to a combination of canola & butter
> on the advice of a health professional.
> Now that Canola is a virtual no! What can we safely use instead?
>
> Our local butter marketing people have used the slogan; "Butter eaters make
> better lovers" Perhaps they know something that we don't!
> Perhaps they may be right!!
> But until someone proves one way or another, what am I going to us on my
> toast every morning, & put on the kids sandwiches?
> HELP!!!
> Rob


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CS>Re: Donna/electroporation

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Donna,
it means that the cell walls open when electricity is applied to them -- so
toxins get out -- which is good -- but other substances might get in so you
need to be carefull of what is in your body at the time of using the zapper.
I wouldn't smoke and use the zapper -- just in case.
Take care,
Katarina

>   >>
> Katarina,
>   What does electoporation mean exactly?  If I could just quit smoking I
> would love to try one of these devices.  I still have the one that someone
> made me and have never tried it.
> Donna
>
> Donna Earnest
> This email contains only my opinion and should not be taken as medical advice.
>


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CS>Re: Brooks/pulser

[Katarina Wittich]

Dear Brooks,

Wow, that's really interesting. I would trust your experiments more than my
doctors hearsay -- even though he claims it is from the horses mouth. I will
actually tell him this and see what he says and get more details on this
study that he said proves it doesn't happen. My guess is that it was a test
tube study --not in vivo.

Thanks for the warning -- it's funny -- I'm sort of uncomfortable with the
pulser anyhow -- I was using it for a while and don't really know why I
stopped -- it didn't make me feel better or worse -- although if I wore it
for much more than two hours I started to feel kind of buzzy and dehydrated.
Maybe it's because I was also using my herbs -- as per my doctor. Very
interesting.
Thanks again,
Katarina


>  Dear Katarina.
> I would be VERY careful in my appraisal of your doctor's
counsel
> that cell poration is not to be regarded as a major consideration.  We have,
> repeatedly, been able to induce "toxin-based" unconsciousness in canines, in
our
> experimental researches relating to this phenomena..  Fortunately, we were
> equipped to detoxify them, all, before permanent damage occurred.  Such
> gneralizations, in the absence of supporting documentationdo appear to be
> quite unprofessional..and potentially dangerous, if taken as proven fact.
> Sincerely..
> Brooks Bradley.
> Mar


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CS>Re:electroporation/Marshall

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Marshall,
that's interesting -- I didn't know that only 10% of people actually are
affected by electroporation.

My doctor is "friends" with Beck and what he says is that Beck had one
patient who had aids who took a large number of very strong aids drugs while
using the pulser over a long period of time and that that person died. It
wasn't clear what he died from, but Beck wanted to be careful. However,
according to my doctor, recent studies at UCLA show that electroporation
doesn't relaly happen.

I have no idea but I do believe in being careful -- so I slowly tried using
my herbs closer and closer to the time when I used the pulser, with no
harmful effect.

I'll try to ask my doctor who did the study -- but I bet he won't remember.
Take care,
katarina

> Perhaps, but Beck claims on a tape that I have that a friend of his died from
> it.  However he said only 10% or so of the people suffer from it, so for most
> people it won't happen.
>
> Marshall


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CS>Reverse osmosis/magnet question

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi,
does anyone know if it would work to magnetize water to attatch a strong
magnet to the metal holding tank from my reverse osmosis system? The ater
certainly sits there for long enough -- but would the metal of the tank
prevent it from magnetizing??
Katarina


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CS>Re:Jeff/meters

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Jeff,
that's very helpful. I think you are right -- I don't plug into the pulser
for silver generation -- but into the other output. So then it would work
well for the multimeter -- if I can figure out how to attatch it.
Hope dinner was not too crispy!
Take care,
Katarina

> Hi  Katarina,
>
> The only concern I have in trying to meter the current of the pulser, is in
that
> I'm not sure what the output looks like. If I understand correctly, the pulser
> changes polarity several (4?) times per second. (I'm looking at a schematic
> from Bob
> Beck's site)  This would be equivalent to using a simple setup and swapping
> the leads to the electrodes 4 times per second.
>
> A DC ammeter connected in line would then see the current change direction at
> that rate. If the rate of change were slower, the meter would read a steady
state
> positive reading, and then an equal but negative steady state reading...and so
on.
> This is basically a low frequency AC square wave. With the meter set to DC,
> it might
> just flash a bunch of numbers at you, as it wouldn't react quickly enough
> to display
> the current before it changed direction.
>
> If set to AC, the problem may be similiar, as these meters are usually
designed to
> operate between a range of frequencies, and that doesn't usually extend down
to
> the 2 to 4 Hz range.
>
> Now, looking closer at the schematic in front of me, I'm not certain that
> the pulsed
> output is used for silver generation. I'm typing out loud :-)
>
> The schematic I'm looking at has two output jacks: a 3.5mm jack labeled
"biological
> electrification" and an RCA jack labeled "colloids". The output from the RCA
jack
> appears to be fixed polarity DC with no active current limiting. There is a
150 ohm
> resistor and small lamp in series to limit the short circuit current only.
> This output
> would work nicely with a digital multimeter.
>
> So, maybe I'm not even on the right page!!!  I have Lyme Disease and
associated
> dane bramage...keep *that* in mind.
>
> Three things I know for sure:
>
> 1. Mike's idea of getting a multimeter is a good one, as he said, it is a
> very useful
> tool and it will aid in understanding this electrical stuff.
>
> 2. Supper is ready.
>
> 3. The smoke alarms work!
>
> God Bless,
> Jeff
>


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CS>Re:Ot/Jeff

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Jeff,
it's good to hear a little of your story -- and I for one am glad you didn't
use the 45!
I'm glad you are feeling better.
Take care,
katarina


> Actually the peroxide thing was a minor bump in the road for me. I've been
> sick with Lyme for 10 years, bed ridden at times, cardiac involvement, severe
Lyme
> encephilitus, loss of carear, pain, depression, insomnia, ringing ears,
> bluhrred vision,.
> I've tried experimental therapies that put me on death's door. I can
> remember this last summer,
> after leaving my job, and feeling so useless and down; I just sat and starred
> at the 45 on my desk, thinking how nice it would be to have this over. I
> thank God that
> he keeps me. I also thank God for CS and the people on this list.
>
> My commnet was made in jest...an attempt at humor to lighten the load. I
appologize
> if it wasn't taken that way.
>
> Jeff


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CS>Chuck/ resend picture

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Chuck,
I went to the archives to try to get the picture you sent me and see if it
will open with Jade -- but it says "binary file discarded" so I can't find
it.
Can you resend me the picture privately so I can try it on the Jade?
Thanks so much,
Katarina


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CS>Re:Bil/resistor

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Bil,
that is exciting -- I would love to limit the current on my pulser.
So do I buy a resistor at Radio Shack? and what exactly do I ask for?
Then once I have it I just cut the wires and strip them a little and then I
can wire in both the meter and the resistor? Can I wire the resistor to the
meter and then the outside two wires to the pulser lead and the one to the
electrode?

I think I'm going to get all this stuff and start experimenting soon.

Thanks for your help.
Take care,
katarina

> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:02:02 -0800
> From: "2001 TV  VCR" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: CS>METERS & Current Limiting
> Message-ID: <008e01bf34b7$069ee780$8dd4d...@x2001>
> Content-Type: text/plain;
>  charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> To Jeff and all,
>
> The output of the Bob Beck approved pulsers/
> CS makers is 27 VDC (pure DC, no pulsing) if
> you use the correct jack (CS).
>
> To limit the current to a maximum of 2 to 3 mA
> (depends on how strong you make the CS)
> when using 27 or 30 VDC just wire a 8200 ohm
> resistor (any wattage will do) in series with one
> of the leads going to the silver.
>
> Don't worry about cutting one of the wires to
> wire in the resistor and your meter (mA scale).
> This will not affect the operation in any way
> other than to limit the current (resistor).  The
> benefits far outweigh the slight damage (change
> of appearance!).
>
> If you still have questions let me know.
> Good luck,
>
> Bil


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CS>Re:Chuck/thanks

[Katarina Wittich]

Thank you Chuck,
I downloaded it, now we'll see if it works!
Katarina

> Well, if your doing Mac, I have to presume you're not running Windows?
> Therefore you can't use window apps.
> ACDSee 32 is one of the best utilities for viewing any graphic you're likely
to
> come across but it's a windows thing.
> Tell you what, go here
>  http://www.snip.net/home/graphics.htm
> and download & install Jade under the Macintosh section.
>Chuck


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CS>Re: H>B>/pulser

[Katarina Wittich]

> 
> Have you possibly (in your case) connected it with electroporation?
> If I remember, you mentioned once you had a pulser?
>
> H.B.

Hey H.B.,
no, I haven't been using my pulser for several weeks now -- so it wouldn't
be tha. My doctor says there is no such thing as a danger of electroporation
from the pulser -- that it's an exaggerated safety warning.
Who knows.
Katarina


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CS>Re: Mike/meters

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Mike,
unfortunately Chuck's jpeg diagram only comes over as a bunch of letters on
my Mac and I'm also computer illiterate and have no idea why it won't read
it.

I don't know if I am more or less confused by all this at the moment. I
think I'll wait and see what the PWT is like and check it out some and then
my questions may be able to be more specific.

I thought that Chuck was saying to get one new electrode to put in the glass
- not two -- but maybe I'm wrong. Chuck?? So if I get a multimeter I will
also have to get new wires/electrodes and plugs for the wire to attatch to
my silver pulser --- I think I need to look at a multimeter to even
understand how this will work -- when I look at things it's easier.

I doubt that the pulser is current limiting - but maybe I'm wrong.

Any guesses at all as to what will be a good reading on the PWT for my
distilled water?? So I have a jumping off point??

Thanks for trying to explain it -- it's funny what a huge gap there is
between those of us who are not at all technical and those who understand
it. I think what I need is someone to just very simply explain from scratch
what each meter does, how it reads out and how you make it work as if I was
a 10 yr old. Jeffrey care to try? Any takers?

Thanks so much.

Be well.
Katarina


> Katarina wrote:
>> What is the difference between a volt-ohm meter and a PWT? And what
>> is the practical difference in terms of keeping your CS manufacture
>> consistent? I've already ordered the PWT -- but I assumed it was
>> only useful for making sure my distilled water was okay -- from your
>> description it sounds like it will also help me tell approximately
>> where I am in the process as I make my cs so I know where to end my
>> run. So what would I need a voltage meter for?
>
> If you dig up Chuck's little jpeg diagram he attached to one of his
> messages earlier you'll see that he suggests using the pulser as a
> power supply and getting two new silver electrodes to actually go in
> the glass. Then you could easily put a current meter in series with
> one of the electrodes or measure the output voltage across the
> electrodes by repositioning the meter connections.
>
> The advantage of this is learning how much current your pulser
> actually pushes through the system. We know that too high a current
> tends to create larger particles.
>
> If the pulser just gives you a voltage regulated DC supply, with no
> built in current limiting other than the 20 milliamp max rating
> somebody mentioned for it, then you'll know not to push your
> generating time so far that you end up making big particles that
> don't really add to the effectiveness of your product.
>
>> And how do I tell if the water is good? If it is too conductive does
>> that mean there is too much stuff in it that I wouldn't want? And
>> since I gather it reads in Microseimens rather than ppm - what would
>> be too high of a reading?
>
> Others can give you their ideas, but the bottom line is if you have
> some water that makes good CS, that's at least one data point.
> Experience will show you what your limit should be.
>
>> It sounds rather complicated for me to use a voltage ohms meter with
>> my becks pulser since I would have to dismantle it in order to put
>> anything in series - so I'd just as soon not bother if I don't need
>> to. Also, from Chucks description I would have to get another silver
>> electrode and add it to the mix and I don't know how that would
>> effect the cs production.
>
> I'd still want some others' input, but I think that a PWT will give
> you a direct measurement of what you're really interested in. Still,
> being able to measure the current out put of the pulser, at least
> once, would tell you how long you can run things before the current
> takes off to unhappy levels.
>
> Please understand that all these measurements are really related.
>
> If you measure the voltage between the electrodes and the current
> flowing from one to the other, divide the voltage by the current,
> you'll get the resistance of the cell at that moment. (Literally, the
> water's resistance to the flow of current.)
>
> Conductance is just 1 divided by the resistance, and conductivity is
> just conductance normalized to a standard size of measurement cell
> (Bob Berger's probe with 2 one centimeter square plates one cm
> apart).
>
> (Boy I hope I got this part right. It's been a while since I actually
> *used* any of this conductance/conductivity stuff!)
>
> So you could convert your current and voltage readings to the same
> conductivity measurement made by the PWT by figuring out the
> conversion factor for your electrode spacing and surface area, plus
> fudge factors for temperature and god knows what else, that Hanna
> has already taken care of for you.
>
> So if all you wanted to know was if *this* batch had reached the same
> approximate conductivity as the last batch, either the PWT reading or
> the current reading would tell you, though they'd be very 

CS>Re:peroxide in ears

[Katarina Wittich]

Did he feel better after he felt worse?? One of the hardest things for me to
figure out with all this alternative medicine stuff is when you feel bad
because something is not working -- or when it's some sort of healing crisis
that indicates it is indeed working?
So hard to figure out.
I feel a lot better today. Was it because of the peroxide?? Or the flu
running it's course??? I also had tons of sinus and a headache. Was that
nasty bugs dying and releasing toxins in there -- or was I damaging my ear
canaL??
No idea!
Katarina


> Following hydrogen peroxide in his ears my husband not only had ear aches
> (they had stopped!) on that day, also sinus and a terrible headache. It
> lasted for
> about 1 day and a half. He was some sick puppy then.  Even the zapper did
> not do much on that day.
> I did it  no noticable results  good/bad or indifferent "-). That
> just shows, what works on one, doesn't necessarily work on another.
>
> H.B.


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CS>Re: Chuck/meters/jpg

[Katarina Wittich]

Thanks Chuck.
Care to help me figure out why I can't get jpg? I don't even know what it is
-- but maybe I am missing some application that I need?
Katarina

> Macintosh, the original graphics machine, doesn't do jpg?
> Un---believable!
>
> You're right, the PWT is probably what you need. My meter suggestion is best
> for the simpler setups.
>   Chuck


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CS>Re: Stephen/hepatitus C

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Stephen,
I have a dear friend with Hepatitus C and they are trying to make her take
interferon -- which she doesn't want to take. Could you tell me more about
your cs useage -- how much you take, what changes you have noticed, are you
on anything else -- etc.
It would be very helpful.
Thanks,
Katarina

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> Well all I can tell you is I have Hepatitis C, and I have been using CS
> for about a year
> or so and it has releaved my symptoms. I have had no adverse effects.
> sdr


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CS>Re: Steve/peroxide

[Katarina Wittich]

> From: Steve Ratzlaff 
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Hey Steve -- I don't know -- the only thing I can think is that the ear
which hurt is more convoluted and blocked -- maybe it needed clearing out.
I'm of two minds whether to try it again and see if it clears something out.
Katarina
>
> Hello,
> After reading Katarina's response, and the other person who had pain
> after using H2O2 in the ears, I am very interested in this.
> I've used the peroxide in the ears on two occasions in the past month
> now, when I felt I was getting sick. On both times, the symptoms cleared
> up within a day or two. One time I used the peroxide once in the
> evening, once the next morning, and again the next evening. The other
> time I used it on two successive evenings.
> Based on about 5 or 6 actual usages now, I've seemed to notice some
> common things. These are identical to what the original poster of the
> peroxide in the ears messages noted--that you need to keep doing it
> until there is no more bubbling in the ears. I had exactly those things.
> The first time, when I first felt sick, the bubbling was so fierce I
> could hold my hand an inch or so above the ear with the peroxide in it
> and bubbles would fly up and splash my hand. The next morning there was
> less bubbling. The next evening there was hardly any bubbling,
> indicating the problem was going away. The next time I did it, the same
> thing happened, lots of bubbling the first time, gradually going away.
> At no time during any of these usages did I ever experience any type of
> ear pain. It helps to warm the peroxide first; I've noticed increased
> dizziness feelings if the peroxide is cold when put in the ear.
> Also note, I've regularly used peroxide to keep the earwax removed, so
> when I've used the peroxide when I felt sick, at no time was any
> dissolved earwax in the solution when I drained it out from the ear.
> Thus, the bubbling could not have been related to removal of earwax in
> my ear.
> So, based on anecdotal experience of two times using it when I felt
> sick, I feel it's actually doing what the original message said it would
> do--reduce or cure a cold or flu--at least for me.
> I would sure like to know why some folks experience pain from peroxide
> in the ear!
> Steve


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CS>Re: Jeff/peroxide in ear

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Jeff,
thanks -- it's all better this morning. I thought I got all the peroxide out
-- I was very careful and hung my head over and used a qtip -- but maybe I
didn't. That ear is always more blocked than the other anyhow.
Katarina

> Katarina,
>
> I did this last week and had the same results. I think what happen is that
> some of the peroxide stayed in my ear. The pains just got worse and more
> frequent and I knew I had to do something. I mixed hot water and rubbing
> alcahol 50/50 in a syringe (no needle!) and shot it into my ear. Then I put my
> little finger in my ear and pulled down to sort of elongate the canal. I could
> feel the trapped warm liquid flow out. I repeated it again and everything
> settled right down.
>
> I think that anytime you put liquid in your ears, you must make sure it
drains.
>
> I don't know that what I did was medically sound, but it stopped the pain and
> all is well.
>
> I used the hot water and the alcahol as a solvent, thinking that the blockage
> might be aided by wax. I once tried straight alcahol and got a bit of a buzz.
>
> I keep a 20cc cattle syringe with a "slap shot" (plastic tube for injecting
> animals)
> in my med drawer and it comes in handy.
>
> I know how much that hurts...hope you get some relief.
>
> Jeff


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CS>Re: Chuck/meter

[Katarina Wittich]

Aww Chuck -- I'm sure the picture is beautiful -- but on my mak it's just a
bunch of letters! And I'm also computer ignorant so I don't know if there is
a way to translate it.

So - I thoughT you said "run one cliplead fron the other meter terminal to a
new silver electrode on the glass" Does that mean this new electrode
replaces one of the original beck electrodes and I then keep that beck
electrode out of the water but attach it to the new electrode with a
cliplead so that the current flows through the new electrode in the water.
And that new electode is also atatched to the meter.  OOh, I'm confused.

I'm also confused by the stuff you and Jeff are discussing, so when you guys
figure it out let me know!!

Also, you'll see the questions I asked Mike about difference between
voltage-ohm meter and PWT and if I need both. Would love your opinion too.
Thanks,
Katarina


> On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:39:55 -0700, "Katarina Wittich" =
> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Next -- more questions. Assume my total ignorance - so - does a =
> multimeter
>>come with three clipleads?
> No, you buy a bag for a buck (or thereabouts)
>
>> Is a cliplead one of those little alligator clip
>>things and I can just clip it onto the Beck electrode at the top?
> Yep
>
>>So, essentially what I am doing is getting a new piece of silver wire =
> for an
>>electrode -- does it matter what thickness or length? (oh Marsha, if you=
>  are
>>lurking I may need you) Then I am attatching that electrode and one of =
> the
>>Beck electrodes (does it matter which one?) to the leads coming from the=
>  two
>>terminals of the meter. I am then connecting the remaining Beck =
> electrode to
>>the one coming from the meter with another piece of wire with two clip =
> leads
>>on it -- I assume I do this at the top of the electrodes. Then when I =
> turn
>>the Beck generator on the meter should be able to read the milliamps.
>>
>>I think I understand -- does it sound right? Will the third electrode =
> affect
>>my silver generating process? Do I take it out and wipe it too?
> No third electrode, only two electrodes in the water.
>
> This is getting tough, here's a picture..
>Chuck


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CS>Peroxide in ears/ouch

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey guys,
I've got a nasty headachey sinusey miserable flu - so in addition to gulping
cs I also tried the peroxide in the ears -- and I now have one very painful
ear -- sort of sharp shooting pains -- so I'm not so sure about that method
at all!
Just wanted to add my little warning to whoever else it was who had the
shooting pains from peroxide.
Katarina


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CS>Re: Mike/meters

[Katarina Wittich]

Dear MIke,
thank you, thank you -- it actually sounds simple. 
But, as usual, I have more questions!

What is the difference between a volt-ohm meter and a PWT? And what is the
practical difference in terms of keeping your CS manufacture consistent?
I've already ordered the PWT -- but I assumed it was only useful for making
sure my distilled water was okay -- from your description it sounds like it
will also help me tell approximately where I am in the process as I make my
cs so I know where to end my run. So what would I need a voltage meter for?

And how do I tell if the water is good? If it is too conductive does that
mean there is too much stuff in it that I wouldn't want? And since I gather
it reads in Microseimens rather than ppm - what would be too high of a
reading?

It sounds rather complicated for me to use a voltage ohms meter with my
becks pulser since I would have to dismantle it in order to put anything in
series - so I'd just as soon not bother if I don't need to. Also, from
Chucks description I would have to get another silver electrode and add it
to the mix and I don't know how that would effect the cs production.

Thanks so much for taking time to explai all this -- it's really a big help.

Take care,
Katarina


> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:55:23 +
> From: "M. G. Devour" 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Re: Mike D./Meters
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> Katarina wrote:
>> Hi Mike, it was me. I am baffled by this meter stuff, so please
>> bear with me.
>
> No problem. You're probably the only one of a dozen lurkers who is
> brave enough to ask!  ( Hi out there, lurkers!!!  )
>
> I'm assuming all you want to do is make sure your CS is about the
> same each time you're done with a batch, and that you can re-test it
> from time to time to detect when an old batch has gone bad for any
> reason.
>
>> First I use the PWT to make sure the water is good. I assume I do
>> this by sticking some sort of probe in the water. Do I want to avoid
>> doing it in the water that is going to become the cs? will it
>> contaminate it?
>
> The PWT is like a better version of the TDS-1 that a lot of us
> already have, I believe. Basically, you just stick the end of the
> meter into the water for a few seconds and read out the conductivity,
> in microSiemens, on the small display. The probes are stainless steel
> and, since there is no applied voltage of any significance in the
> meter circuit, nothing is going to come off of them to contaminate
> your water.
>
>> Then - if I make a batch the way I normally do - how do I use the
>> conductivity meter to read it at the end. Do I just stick two
>> electrodes that come with the meter into my cs? Will they
>> contaminate it as Marshall warns? Do electrodes come with the
>> meter?? Or is it clip leads? Help!! I'll have better questions once
>> I buy the meter - I'm sure.
>
> You'll stick the end of the meter in the CS just the same, and read a
> new conductivity (much greater) that will become a baseline for
> future batches.
>
> On future batches, occasionally pull the electrodes from the water
> and stir the CS. Then measure with the PWT. When it gets to your
> target value (approximately) you're done.
>
> It is that simple.
>
> Now, this will not tell you directly what ppm you have, which I'm
> sure you understand, but if you send a few samples off for analysis,
> you'll find that conductivity will relate pretty well to ppm if you
> keep your procedures pretty constant.
>
> Be well, ma'am!
>
> Mike D.
>
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@mail.id.net   ]
> [Speaking only for myself...  ]
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CS>Re: Ivan/ thanks

[Katarina Wittich]

Ivan,
thanks.
Will you post on the list when you've done your experiments? It would be
great to hear what you find.
Take care,
Katarina

> Katarina,
>
> I am not sure that it is damaging as such, after all it has been
> present in all the water ever consumed, but there may be benefits for
> energy utilisation with less in the system. Also
> http://www.hydros.com/ claim that their deuterium depleted water can
> inhibit cancer and other ailments that involve rampant cell division.
>
> You wont be any worse for not skimming the water, and I don't really
> know if it works or not (works in theory). I am going to set up a
> fractionising distillation apparatus which I know will produce
> deuterium restricted water and test it out.
>
> Ivan.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Katarina Wittich 
> To: Silver A 
> Sent: Friday, 19 November 1999 11:18
> Subject: CS>Ivan/heavy water question
>
>
>> Hi Ivan,
>> I've been freezing water to structure it -- but this skimming off
> the
>> surface ice is a real pain. How damaging is heavy water? What does
> it do? Do
>> you think it's necessary to skim?
>> Thanks so much,
>> Katarina
>


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CS>Re: Mike D./Meters

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Mike, 
it was me.
I am baffled by this meter stuff, so please bear with me.

First I use the PWT to make sure the water is good. I assume I do this by
sticking some sort of probe in the water. Do I want to avoid doing it in the
water that is going to become the cs? will it contaminate it?

Then - if I make a batch the way I normally do - how do I use the
conductivity meter to read it at the end. Do I just stick two electrodes
that come with the meter into my cs? Will they contaminate it as Marshall
warns? Do electrodes come with the meter?? Or is it clip leads? Help!!
I'll have better questions once I buy the meter - I'm sure.

Katarina

> Hi Kat,
>
> Was it you that just said she ordered a PWT from Hanna? I'd say at
> this point the easiest thing for you to do is to make a batch the way
> you usually do, whatever it is, and measure it at the end with the
> conductivity meter. Then just use the conductivity meter reading to
> help you repeat from one batch to the next, ie, go until "done".
>
> Be well,
>
> Mike D.
>


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CS>Re: Chuck/meters

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Chuck,
first, thank you for the indeed very scary article on Canola oil.

Next -- more questions. Assume my total ignorance - so - does a multimeter
come with three clipleads? Is a cliplead one of those little alligator clip
things and I can just clip it onto the Beck electrode at the top?
So, essentially what I am doing is getting a new piece of silver wire for an
electrode -- does it matter what thickness or length? (oh Marsha, if you are
lurking I may need you) Then I am attatching that electrode and one of the
Beck electrodes (does it matter which one?) to the leads coming from the two
terminals of the meter. I am then connecting the remaining Beck electrode to
the one coming from the meter with another piece of wire with two clip leads
on it -- I assume I do this at the top of the electrodes. Then when I turn
the Beck generator on the meter should be able to read the milliamps.

I think I understand -- does it sound right? Will the third electrode affect
my silver generating process? Do I take it out and wipe it too?

Thanks,
Katarina

> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:57:02 -0500
> From: Charles King 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
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> On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:35:29 -0700, "Katarina Wittich"

> wrote:
>
>>Now what do you mean when you say ">
>>> If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver
>>> electrodes, you will know the current going through your water.
>>I have the bob beck silver pulser and the electrodes are not detacheable --
>>does in series mean I would have to put the meter between the electrode and
>>the wire that leads to it? I guess I could dismantle it and figure out how
>>to reattatch. Suggestions?
>
> My comments referred to adding a milliamp meter to the simplest of setups.
> That is: 3 battery, 2 clipleads, 2 silver electrodes that are bent to clip on
> the edge of a glass of distilled water.
>
> Anything else will take some simple innovation.
>
> If your device is complete with silver electrodes attached, you'll have to
> leave your device on the bench and use seperate new silver as above.
>  Run one clip lead from the meter to one of the electrodes on the Beck device.
> Run one cliplead from the other meter terminal to a new silver electrode on
the
> glass.
> Run a third cliplead from the other Beck electrode to the other silver
> electrode on the glass.
> Set the meter to read current, or milliamps (depend on your meter).
> If you draw it out, it's pretty simple.
>Chuck
>  if you think education is expensive -- try ignorance.


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CS>Re: acidic aloe vera/Marshall

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Marshall,
Thanks for the info. I remembered there being something on the list, but
couldn't remember what. I've got  some ph paper and will check it out.

Katarina

> Please check the archives.  It has been reported serveral times that aloe vera
> is usually acidic, and that if you make CS acidic you will get particle
> aggregation, and if you get particle aggregation CS will go from clear, to
> yellow to orange to pink and so forth.
>
> Buy a pool ph kit, and mix sufficient baking soda with the aloe vera and CS to
> bring the ph up to 7.  That should solve that problem.  We tested with HVAC
> clear CS and aloe vera and found that it would aggregate and settle out in
about
> 3 days unless we neutralized the aloe vera, in which case I have some in the
> fridge that has been there or over 3 months and still looks good.
>
> Marshall


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CS>Re: Marshall/meters

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Marshall,
What do you mean by putting a voltage meter across them? This wouldn't apply
to me anyhow, would it - since my setup is the bob beck silver pulser and is
not HVAC.
See, the problem is that I need someone to do a real dummy explanation for
me -- like, you take one probe from the meter and you atattch it to the
positive electrode that sort of stuff.
Thanks,

Katarina

>
> We monitor our production real time by putting a current meter in series with
the
> electrodes and a voltage meter across them.  It is possible, but for HVAC
method
> you have to realize that the conductivity changes drastically with
termerature, and
> this method puts lot of energy in the water.
>
> Marshall


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CS/aloe/msm turning pink

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Guys,
I made a batch of cs and aloe and msm for my husband to use on a sore finger
and after a few hours it turned pink. Another batch of cs and msm only also
turned pink.
However, the new cs I just made did not turn pink when combined with msm.
Any ideas? Does pink mean useless for external or damaging in any way?
Katarina


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CS>Re: Harvey/bad cs

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Harvey -- I don't think it was that because I had just made a decent 
batch of cs using other water in the same glass and all I do between batches
is rinse with distilled water. But you are right -- who knows. Unfortunately
I didn't try it with the bad water again -- which I should have.
Katarina

> I suggest the glass you used for the second batch may have been
> contaminated somehow.  Perhaps the dishwater soap wasn't thoroughly rinsed
> out.  Try another batch but rinse the glass and electrodes with distilled
> water beforehand.
>
> Harvey


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CS>Re: Bil/resistance reading

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Bil,
I'm hopelessly non technical -- so how do I measure the voltage at the
electrodes???
Attatch your meter leads in series
what does that mean? can you describe in more detail? Unfortunately my
generator is the bob beck silver pulser and the electrodes are not
removeable so I have a feeling I might have to do some dismantling to do
this. Might be easier to get silver electrodes for the meter -- or would
that be less accurate?
Katarina

> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:36:53 -0800
> From: "2001 TV  VCR" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: CS>Meter question
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> If you want to accurately and safely measure
> the resistance of the water first measure the
> voltage at the silver electrodes.  Now attach
> your meter leads in series with the voltage to
> one of the electrodes and switch the meter
> to measure milliamps.
>
> Divide the voltage reading by the amp reading
> (convert milliamps to amps by moving the
> decimal point three places to the left) - this is
> the resistance.
>
> Bil


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CS>Re: Chuck/canola

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Chuck,
do you remember more of what the scary report said -- other than that it was
genetically engineered from something toxic which I guess is enough for me
to stop using it. Unfortunately I don't eat dairy any more and the only
decent non-hydrogenated butter substitutes I've found contain canola oil.
Katarina

> Yeah,
> I read a scary report about canola oil, and we stopped using it. Switched to
> olive oils instead. Did you know you can get spray Pam with olive oil?
>
>Chuck
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CS>Re: Chuck/meters

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Chuck,
thanks, that's very helpful.
Now what do you mean when you say ">
> If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver
> electrodes, you will know the current going through your water.
I have the bob beck silver pulser and the electrodes are not detacheable --
does in series mean I would have to put the meter between the electrode and
the wire that leads to it? I guess I could dismantle it and figure out how
to reattatch. Suggestions?
Thanks,
Katarina

>
> On Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:45:56 -0700, "Katarina Wittich"

> wrote:
>
>>Bill
>>suggested I get a volt-ohm  meter from radio shack that reads in the
>>milli-ohms range. Someone else, I think Chuck - said one should get a
>>digital multimeter from Radio shack. Are they the same thing? I would like
>>to get only one more meter and be done with meter buying
>
> A volt-ohm meter is a multimeter, so named because they usually measure
> voltage(volts), resistance (ohms), and current( amps, milliamps).
> Cheap ones are usually accurate enough for general experimental and household
> use.
> They come in two types. Analog, which reads as a pointer on a scale, or
> digital, which reads out as numbers on a screen.
> Digital is easier to use by far. Used to be very expensive, not anymore. Well
> worth any difference in price over a analog in the same range.
>
> If you place it on the milliamp range, in series with one of your silver
> electrodes, you will know the current going through your water.
>
> Distilled water will start with a very low current (usually about 0.25ma or
> less). As your process continues, the current will gradually rise. You should
> stop the process before you get above 2.5ma). This usually takes less than an
> hour.
> If your starting current is NOT low, your water is contaminated.
> If it doesn't rise, you've pulled a Marsha. Keep it to yourself...
>
>Chuck


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CS>Re: Marshall/meter

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Marshall,
is that why Chuck suggests putting it in series - thereby using the actual
silver electrodes to measure the resistance? Is that possible?
Katarina

> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:26:52 -0500
> From: Marshall Dudley 
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> Subject: Re: CS>Meter question
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> Please, if you use a VOM or multimeter for measuring the resistance of water,
throw
> it out after the measurement, or use silver wire for the probes.  The probes
can be
> solder or nickel plated, and when you measure the water, the metal can be
stripped
> off and goes into the water.  Solder is typically 40% lead, and nickel isn't
much
> better.  You don't want to drink either of them.
>
> Marshall


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CS>Re: Marshall/thanks

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Marshall,
that makes me fel better since I drank all of the previous batch. It seemed
okay and kept it's tyndall and clarity for a month.
Katarina

> Katarina Wittich wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone -- I just made a batch of cs with my usual setup and some
>> distilled water which made clear cs with a strong tyndall in about 1/2 hr a
>> few weeks ago. I immediately capped the bottle of water after using it and
>> it has been sitting untouched for three weeks. The new batch of cs that I
>> made following the same procedure (no salt, room temp, wipe electrodes and
>> stir every 15 min) is a grey tinged milky cloudy solution that is scary to
>> look at. It started to fill the glass with milky solution within minutes.
>>  What could cause this?
>> How does water go bad in a few weeks?
>
> Most likely absorbing gases from the air, primarily carbon dioxide making
> carbonic acid.
>
>> Does that mean that the water I used before was already probably
>> contaminated and I was unwittingly making silver compounds?
>
> Probably not if the previous batch was ok.
>
> Marshall


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CS>Meter question

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Guys,
so - I want to get a meter to measure the current in the water at the
beginning of my run and at the end. Am I correct in assuming that if I do
that -- and also make sure I use the same setup and same ppm water that then
I can standardize my process so that if I get my cs tested I will know
approximately what ppm I am making ? I ordered a PWT meter - but what kind
of meter do I get to check the current - or is it resistance? Pardon me but
technical stuff is a real challenge for me. my brain just turns off.Bill
suggested I get a volt-ohm  meter from radio shack that reads in the
milli-ohms range. Someone else, I think Chuck - said one should get a
digital multimeter from Radio shack. Are they the same thing? I would like
to get only one more meter and be done with meter buying -- is there
anything else that I am likely to need?

Thanks so much  -- and I'm sure I'll be coming to you guys for help in using
these damn things once Î get them.
with resistance :-)
Katarina


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CS>Water /bad cs question

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey everyone -- I just made a batch of cs with my usual setup and some 
distilled water which made clear cs with a strong tyndall in about 1/2 hr a
few weeks ago. I immediately capped the bottle of water after using it and
it has been sitting untouched for three weeks. The new batch of cs that I
made following the same procedure (no salt, room temp, wipe electrodes and
stir every 15 min) is a grey tinged milky cloudy solution that is scary to
look at. It started to fill the glass with milky solution within minutes.
 What could cause this?
How does water go bad in a few weeks?
Does that mean that the water I used before was already probably
contaminated and I was unwittingly making silver compounds?
??
So I broke down and ordered a PWT meter -- no more guessing if the water is
decent for me.
Katarina


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CS>OT/Kris/Soy & Canola oil

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Kris, 
you had a post a while ago that mentioned that soy and canola oils are bad
for you. Can you tell me more? I thought canola oil was the one oil
preferable for use for high heats.I know that rapeseed can be toxic - but I
thought the processing took the toxicity out and that canola oil was okay --
other than one bad batch somewhere that poisoned people.

I'm also curious since you seem to have read a lot about SLS and SLES
whether you think that ammonium laureth sulfate and ammonium lauryl sulfate
are also bad for you. And in your research did you find any difference
between the lauryl sulfate and laureth sulfates? Trem sent me an interesting
article saying that sodium laureth sulfate was harmless, while laurel
sulfate mught be bad stuff.

Take care,
Katarina


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CS>Ivan/heavy water question

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Ivan, 
I've been freezing water to structure it -- but this skimming off the
surface ice is a real pain. How damaging is heavy water? What does it do? Do
you think it's necessary to skim?
Thanks so much,
Katarina


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CS>Re:Marshall/mercury hair test

[Katarina Wittich]

Hey Marshall -- thanks, that's helpful. When I did the hair samples they 
wanted you to take it from close to the back of the scalp -- but I have a
feeling my husband cut it about a half inch from the scalp, so by your
figures that means that most of the hair I sent in was from the period of
time that I was having the fillings removed -- which would explain perfectly
the discrepancy between blood and hair tests.
It's also good news because it means that  most of it has cleared out of my
blood. Is it possible that it is still collected in organs though? I guess I
should still do the cilantro chelation just to be sure.

thanks again,
Katarina

> Keep in mind that the hair test is more of a historical test, and the blood
> test should be current.  Since hair grows about 1/2" per month, if you clip
> hair 4" from the scap, the hair sample will be about 8 months old.
>
> So if you just had fillings removed, you will likely find the hair has
> mercury in it from before it was removed (and the spike from when it was
> removed), yet the blood has less.
>
> Marshall


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