CS>Link to the CS/antibiotics compatibility test
Here is a link to the CS/antibiotics compatibility test. It was provided at the Guardian Silver site. - Steve N http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/oct102006/926.pdf Bactericidal activity of combinations of Silver-Water Dispersion(tm) with 19 antibiotics against seven microbial strains "Antibiotic discs used in this investigation are standardized discs by Pathoteq Biological Laboratories, India: Amoxicillin (AX, 30 mcg), Carbenicillin (CN, 100 mcg), Cefoperazone (CP, 75 mcg), Ceftizidime (FG, 30 mcg), Ciprofloxacin (RC, 5 mcg), Clindamycin (CD, 2 mcg), Doxycycline (DX, 30 mcg), Erythromycin (ER, 15 mcg), Gentamycin (GM, 10 mcg), Kanamycin (KA, 30 mcg), Nalidixic Acid (NA, 30 mcg), Oxacillin (OC, 1 mcg), Penicillin-G (PG, 10 units), Rifampin (RF, 5 mcg), Streptomycin (SM, 10 mcg), Tetracycline(TE, 5 mcg) Tobramycin (TB, 10 mcg) and Trimethoprim (TP, 5 mcg)." The organisms used are: E. coli (MDR) strain from stool sample; Ps. aeruginosa (multiple-drug resistant) strain from sputum. These two strains were obtained from P.D. Hinduja Hospital (Mumbai); Methicillin-resistant S. aureus was obtained from Lokmanya Tilak Muncipal Hospital. Shigella flexneri, Salmonella typhi, S. aureus 6538 P, Bacillus subtilis and Candida albicans are in-house laboratory strains. Thus the number of tests completed was 96 out of the possible 133 between 19 antibiotics and seven organisms. The test showed that five combinations were synergistic, 89 dditive and two antagonistic." -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: <mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: <mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com> List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com>
RE: CS>re cs & antibiotics
Hi Steve Norton, I agree with what you wrote about NCCAM. The original intent was to research Alternative Medicine. From its inception, however, the agency has down nothing but slam anything that isn't orthodox. Of course there favorite reference sources are: Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (a government agency), National Cancer Institute (Tool of the Drug companies), etc. Basically, the NCCAM purpose is to belittle, negate, or ignore the benefits; to scare away the websurfer from using what ever isn't orthodox medicine. There are a few favorable references to Acupuncture, but not much more. http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/ "Colloidal silver may interfere with the body's absorption of the following drugs: penacillamine, quinolones, tetracyclines, and thyroxine."" and The words "may" is the keyword. Of course NCCAM ignores a Brigham-Young Clinical Study. -- This study, published in the journal Current Science in 2006, found that a 19 antibiotic drugs which had previously been able to kill MDR (multiple drug-resistant) pathogens such as MRSA could be restored to full efficacy against the deadly pathogens, but only if a liquid silver solution similar to colloidal silver (a stabilized form of CS called Silver Water Suspension) was used in conjunction with these drugs. The original study noted: Nineteen antibiotics were checked in combination with Silver–Water Dispersion™ solution against seven microbial organisms for synergism. Those combinations of individual antibiotics with Silver– Water Dispersion™ that displayed synergism were further evaluated through the checkerboard method. Synergistic activity of Silver–Water Dispersion™ solution in combination with nineteen antibiotics was tested against seven bacterial strains, except where an organism was known to be resistant to the antibiotic. Out of 96 tests, five were synergistic, 89 additive, and two antagonistic To validate the results of Amoxicillin antagonism,30 mcg dilution of Amoxicillin was prepared in Silver– Water Dispersion™ (32 ppm) solution. 100 ml of this combination was added to a single well, and kept for diffusion followed by incubation. No antagonistic effectswere noted under these conditions as the zone of inhibition observed was 19 mm, comparable to 20 mm with a Silver–Water Dispersion™ and 21 mm with Amoxicillin. Whereas well B having a combination of Penicillin-G and Silver–Water Dispersion ™ demonstrates the powerful clearing ability of Silver–Water Dispersion The study noted that Ciprofloxacin when added to the Silver showed effectiveness that was additive against a variety of pathogens. Ciprofloxacin is a quinolone. Tetracycline was made even more effective with Silver TM. http://www.ihsite.com/user/silver%20water%20dispersion%5D.pdf And a more recent Iranian Clinical Study – This study also found that silver increases the effectiveness of antibiotic drugs against staph infections. The researchers concluded: “The antibacterial activities of penicillin G, amoxicillin, erythromycin, clindamycin, and vancomycin were increased in the presence of silver nano-particles (Ag-NPs) against both test strains. The highest enhancing effects were observed for vancomycin, amoxicillin, and penicillin G against S. aureus." From the synthesis of metallic nanoparticles of silver using a reduction of aqueous Ag+ ion ). NCCAM Searching Silver on the NCCAM site references Silver build-up in the body of animals. However they neglect to mention these studies were based on Silver Nitrate was given to lab rats, dogs, monkeys. The amounts given were 89 "milligrams" per Kilogram of body weight. As to Penicillamine: a pharmaceutical of the chelator class. It is sold under the trade names of Cuprimine and Depen. The pharmaceutical form is D-penicillamine, as L-penicillamine is toxic (it inhibits the action of pyridoxine). It is a metabolite of penicillin, although it has no antibiotic properties. Penicillamine is used as a chelating agent for rare diseases. In Wilson's disease, a rare genetic disorder of copper metabolism, penicillamine treatment relies on its binding to accumulated copper and elimination through urine. In cystinuria, a hereditary disorder featuring formation of cystine stones, penicillamine binds with cysteine to to yield a mixed disulfide which is more soluble than cystine. These are both hereditary disorders and uncommon to rare, (cystinuria is found in 562 out of one million infants screened). Penicillamine has been used to treat mercury poisoning. (So has Silver Chloride). The only reference I can find about Silver and Thryoxine and drug interactions all come from the same source and are repeated verbatim on umpteen websites. The source? The NCCAM website. Regards, Steve Foss -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To
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Thanks to all for your answers. I too remembered reading something on this list about Ab's and silver but I couldn't remember which ones. Just to update about my husband and his toe.we tried a number of things which were recommended on this list, as well as other alternate treatments. The CS alone worked well to keep the infection away, but as a topical it didn't really heal the wound. Oxygen didn't do anything for the wound but did get any foot swelling down fast. The CS nasal spray seemed like a good way to get the silver into his system effectively while using a much smaller amount (thanks Indi), but we ended up cutting the DMSO, which he found too irritating for his nose. Unfortunately, the DMSO topically on the toe caused tissue irritation, and the area needed to be surgically debrided. Insulin also caused irritation and swelling. I would be very careful putting insulin directly into a wound, and never never full strength. Right now we are putting raw honey from a local beekeeper with CS and it is looking much better. I'm finding honey has amazing healing properties, and silver seems work well with it. Kathy -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:25 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>antibiotics Steve writes: > This was covered just recently. I have reposted some previous posts on > the subject below. I would say that there are no known incompatibilities > with CS and antibiotics but there is a "may interfere with" comment from > the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) > regarding penacillamine, quinolones, tetracyclines, and thyroxine. NCCAM > is a part of the NIH, whose opinions on alternative medications I > consider as only pro big Pharma and untrustworthy. Excellent, Steve. I thought I remembered something about that. Thanks. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Steve writes: > This was covered just recently. I have reposted some previous posts on > the subject below. I would say that there are no known incompatibilities > with CS and antibiotics but there is a "may interfere with" comment from > the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) > regarding penacillamine, quinolones, tetracyclines, and thyroxine. NCCAM > is a part of the NIH, whose opinions on alternative medications I > consider as only pro big Pharma and untrustworthy. Excellent, Steve. I thought I remembered something about that. Thanks. Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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This was covered just recently. I have reposted some previous posts on the subject below. I would say that there are no known incompatibilities with CS and antibiotics but there is a "may interfere with" comment from the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) regarding penacillamine, quinolones, tetracyclines, and thyroxine. NCCAM is a part of the NIH, whose opinions on alternative medications I consider as only pro big Pharma and untrustworthy. - Steve -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 9:29 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>re cs & antibiotics They say theoretically. I suspect that this is from the problem that penicillin type antibiotics should not be taken with cycline type antibiotics. The first ones work by killing a pathogen while trying to multiply. The second category prevent the pathogen from multiplying. If used together, the cycline type will prevent the division of the pathogen, thus making the penicillin types ineffective. If they assume that colloidal silver kills like penicillin, that is during division, then there would be an interaction. But silver does not require division to kill, so I think their theory is all wet. Of course CS does tend to make the cycline type antibiotics ineffective, since dead pathogens don't divide anyway. Marshall -Original Message- From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:39 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>re cs & antibiotics Tracking down the warning, it apparently originated from the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM), a part of the NIH. See: http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/ "Colloidal silver may interfere with the body's absorption of the following drugs: penacillamine, quinolones, tetracyclines, and thyroxine." The reference NCCAM provides for the warning is: "Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database. Colloidal silver. Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database Web site. Accessed on December 11, 2006." The Natural Medicines Comprehensive Database Web site requires a membership, of course. Less than $10 for a one month access if one is interested enough. - Steve N -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 3:05 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>antibiotics Hi and welcome, Kathy! > Could someone please tell me which antibiotics should not be taken > with silver? Thanks so much, Folks have probably been slow to answer because the likely answer is "none." I hope anyone who has other information will correct me. The thing you should keep in mind with anything that is likely to disrupt pathogens is that as they die from the antimicrobials and/or are attacked by the body's immune response, you will have toxic waste products and metabolites being dumped into your system that can cause an increase of symptoms as a result of a *successful* treatment. This reaction, called a healing reaction or Herxheimer reaction, can range from mild to uncomfortable -- to life threatening in severe cases. If you *combine* any other antimicrobial with pharmaceutical antibiotics you may start killing stuff off much faster than you or your doctor expected. So it's best to be aware of this possibility and coordinate what you're doing with your physician. The basic strategy is to start at a low dose and build up gradually, modulating your intake to keep the Herx reaction from becoming too uncomfortable. Let us know if you have further questions. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hi and welcome, Kathy! > Could someone please tell me which antibiotics should not be taken with > silver? Thanks so much, Folks have probably been slow to answer because the likely answer is "none." I hope anyone who has other information will correct me. The thing you should keep in mind with anything that is likely to disrupt pathogens is that as they die from the antimicrobials and/or are attacked by the body's immune response, you will have toxic waste products and metabolites being dumped into your system that can cause an increase of symptoms as a result of a *successful* treatment. This reaction, called a healing reaction or Herxheimer reaction, can range from mild to uncomfortable -- to life threatening in severe cases. If you *combine* any other antimicrobial with pharmaceutical antibiotics you may start killing stuff off much faster than you or your doctor expected. So it's best to be aware of this possibility and coordinate what you're doing with your physician. The basic strategy is to start at a low dose and build up gradually, modulating your intake to keep the Herx reaction from becoming too uncomfortable. Let us know if you have further questions. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>antibiotics
Could someone please tell me which antibiotics should not be taken with silver? Thanks so much, Kathy <>
Re: CS>Antibiotics Put 142,000 Into Emergency Rooms Each Year
Yes, I agree...My son`s roommate`s mom was killed by antibiotics they gave her in the hospital after she had knee surgery, last January. Left a 10 year old sister with no mom...sigh.Marshalee > > > > Antibiotics Put 142,000 Into Emergency Rooms Each Year > U.S. Centers for Disease Control Waits 60 Years to Study the Problem >
CS>Antibiotics Put 142,000 Into Emergency Rooms Each Year
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, October 13, 2008 Antibiotics Put 142,000 Into Emergency Rooms Each Year U.S. Centers for Disease Control Waits 60 Years to Study the Problem (OMNS, October 13, 2008) The US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has just released "the first report ever done on adverse reactions to antibiotics in the United States" on 13 Aug, 2008. (1) This is "the first report ever"? How is that possible? Antibiotics have been widely used since the 1940s. It is astounding that it has taken CDC so long to seriously study the side effects of these drugs. It is now apparent that there have been decades of an undeserved presumption of safety. Antibiotics can put you in the emergency room. Common antibiotics, the ones most frequently prescribed and regarded as safest, cause for nearly half of emergencies due to antibiotics. And, incredibly enough, people in the prime of life - not babies - are especially at risk. The study authors reported that "Persons aged 15-44 years accounted for an estimated 41.2 percent of emergency department visits. Infants accounted for only an estimated 6.3 percent of ED visits." They also found that nearly 80% of antibiotic-caused "adverse events" were allergic reactions. Overdoses and mistakes, by patients and by physicians, make up the rest. Allergic reactions to antibiotics may be very serious, including life-threatening anaphylactic shock. Searching the US National Library of Medicine's "Medline" database (2) for "antibiotic allergic reaction" will bring up over 9,700 mentions in scientific papers. A search for "antibiotic anaphylactic shock" brings up over 1,100. Many papers on this severe danger were actually published before 1960. (3) Given this amount of accumulated information, one might wonder why CDC took so long to seriously study the problem. Overuse of antibiotics leads to antibiotic resistance. At its website, CDC currently states that antibiotic resistance "can cause significant danger and suffering for people who have common infections that once were easily treatable with antibiotics. . . Some resistant infections can cause death." (4) In the USA alone, "over 3 million pounds of antibiotics are used every year on humans . . . enough to give every man, woman and child 10 teaspoons of pure antibiotics per year," write Null, Dean, Feldman, and Rasio. (5) "Almost half of patients with upper respiratory tract infections in the U.S. still receive antibiotics from their doctor" even though "the CDC warns that 90% of upper respiratory infections, including children's ear infections, are viral, and antibiotics don't treat viral infection. More than 40% of about 50 million prescriptions for antibiotics each year in physicians' offices were inappropriate." Additionally, every year, a staggering 25 million pounds of antibiotics are administered to farm animals, most given in an attempt to prevent illness. Seepage from feedlots results in low concentrations of antibiotics in our waterways and food. This increases human antibiotic resistance. (6) Antibiotic resistance and antibiotic allergic reactions continue to be major public health problems. Both dangers are directly related to the huge amount of antibiotics we consume. One immediate way to decrease the incidence of side effects from antibiotics is to use antibiotics less often. Reducing use "by even a small percentage could significantly reduce the immediate and direct risks of drug-related adverse events," the CDC study authors said. Alternative, non-drug treatments can also be an answer. Robert F. Cathcart, M.D., observed that high doses of vitamin C substantially reduce the dosage of antibiotics needed to treat patients. Vitamin C also specifically counters allergic reactions. Dr. Cathcart, a practicing allergist with decades of experience, said: "Patients seemed not to develop their first allergic reaction to penicillin when they had taken bowel tolerance vitamin C for several doses. Among the several thousand patients given penicillin, two cases of brief rash were seen in patients who had taken their first dose of penicillin along with their first dose of vitamin C . . . Many patients find the effect of ascorbate more satisfactory than immunizations or antihistamines and decongestants." (7) Back in the 1950s, physicians such as William J. McCormick, M.D., (8) and Frederick Robert Klenner, M.D., (9) found that very high doses of vitamin C can be safely and effectively used, by itself, as an antibiotic as well as an antiviral and antihistamine. Dr. McCormick wrote that vitamin C is known to "contribute to the development of antibodies and the neutralization of toxins in the building of natural immunity to infectious diseases. There is a very potent chemotherapeutic action of ascorbic acid when given in massive repeated doses, 500 to 1,000 mg (hourly), preferably intravenously or intramuscularly. When thus admi
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"M. G. Devour" wrote: > Zeb wrote: > > ... there have been other times, when I am thankful for antibiotics. > > My wife would have died from complications from childbirth 18 years ago > except that she received IV antibiotics for almost a month and the > extraordinarily perceptive care of her OB. > > We have safer alternatives, certainly, and cheaper as well, that will > serve us in most circumstances. But when it's life or death, I'll take > whatever works. > > Peace, > > Mike D. I agree, although I would not go as far as House does in the series with his name. He will try something to see if it works knowing that it will destroy the patient's heart, and say, they can replace his heart later! I have seen several House episodes where they have destroyed a patient's organs when the use of CS or other nontoxic supplements would likely have fixed the problem with NO damage to anything. But it does show in an exaggerated fashion how much of the medical community works and thinks. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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My wife would have died from complications from childbirth 18 years ago except that she received IV antibiotics for ... But when it's life or death, I'll take whatever works... This is also what my (computer assisted) homeopath told me once. For all that he worked what to us were miracles, he said it was better to take the antibiotics if there was an emergency, and clear up the damage they did afterwards when one was better. Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Zeb wrote: > ... there have been other times, when I am thankful for antibiotics. My wife would have died from complications from childbirth 18 years ago except that she received IV antibiotics for almost a month and the extraordinarily perceptive care of her OB. We have safer alternatives, certainly, and cheaper as well, that will serve us in most circumstances. But when it's life or death, I'll take whatever works. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I agree with sol. I always try alternate methods first when dealing with infections and many times, it is just what I need but there have been other times, when I am thankful for antibiotics. Isnt it just the tetracyclines that cause the teeth problems? - Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.
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It is the one place that I have not had immediate success. It seems that some mandibular infections that I have seen do not respond well without super doses. My sample size in nil, but my impression is strong. -Original Message- From: Robert Berger [mailto:bober...@swbell.net] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:43 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>CS & antibiotics My experience with antibiotics and a toothache are entirely different. I have a tooth abscess and was given penicillin. It stopped the pain but before I could get into the dentist office I ran out of antibiotics. Started swishing EIS every hour and had relief with in the same day. Used the protocol for a week before getting in. NO PAIN !! "Ole Bob"
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My experience with antibiotics and a toothache are entirely different. I have a tooth abscess and was given penicillin. It stopped the pain but before I could get into the dentist office I ran out of antibiotics. Started swishing EIS every hour and had relief with in the same day. Used the protocol for a week before getting in. NO PAIN !! "Ole Bob"
RE: CS>Re: CS & antibiotics... CS and upcoming surgery
Read the abstract of Dr. Becker's patent where he inserts two fine silver wires at the ends of a surgical wound and applies a voltage of less than one volt. It says that the process converts base cells into stem cells and heals. Visit www.silverlon.com and review the clinical pictures and read where it is stated that the body fuilds causes silver ions to come off the bandage and causes the base cells to become stem cells. They used to have a photograph of a man's finger that was cut-off just behind the nail and with the use of the silverlon bandage the finger grew back including the nail in about 4 months. I have a picture of that but it is to big to send over the list. "Ole Bob"
CS>Re: CS & antibiotics... CS and upcoming surgery
I may have expressed myself badly. I read a post here about someone who cut off the end of their finger and regrew it after dipping it in CS. Perhaps causing cells to dedifferentiate would be a better way to say it, so they can form new cells of the proper kind. I couldn't seem to find the post about the finger in my files. But when I had to amputate my duck's leg that was dying from a bad break, it was mid-drum stick so the open bone was exposed and I tried to sew the adjacent skin over the end of the bone but didn't have much to work with. A scab formed over the end of the bone and within 4 weeks after dipping the stub 2x a day and applying salve and a bandage, pink skin had formed over the end of the bone. (Maybe ducks are powerfully regenerative?) The bandage usually disappeared before the next treatment so that the stub was dragged around on the ground, in unsanitary conditions. I never saw any signs of infection. The duck lived two more years hopping around on one foot. She never returned to laying the normal number of eggs, though. Golden 300 ducks can lay 300+ eggs in a year.:-) Who needs cultured meat when you can have duck eggs? Nancy -- Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:35:13 -0800 From: jrowland CS promoting/creating stem cell growth? Do we have any info on this, other than: Nancy writes: >...CS is alleged to help the body create new stem cells in the wound to >regrow tissue... Charles writes: >Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:04:46 -0500 >From: "Charles Sutton" >Subject: Re: CS>Knees > >...The buz is that EIS will create stem cells, but I only use it for >prevention of nasties jr -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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"The Body Electric" Robert O. Becker. -Original Message- From: jrowland [mailto:sarongs...@cox.net] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:35 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Re: CS & antibiotics... CS and upcoming surgery CS promoting/creating stem cell growth? Do we have any info on this, other than: Nancy writes: >...CS is alleged to help the body create new stem cells in the wound to >regrow tissue... Charles writes: >Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:04:46 -0500 >From: "Charles Sutton" >Subject: Re: CS>Knees > >...The buz is that EIS will create stem cells, but I only use it for >prevention of nasties jr -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/06 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Doctors have told me about 3 days. Now I don't know if this means give or take a day or two, but I have found at the third day I was beginning to feel better. Ernie From: sol Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>CS & antibiotics Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:34:55 -0700 It has been my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong somebody) that oral antibiotics take several days (I have read 4 or 5 days) to build up to a blood level that starts to be effective. So the 4 days of "not working" might simply have been due to that, and not to co-usage of CS at all. sol -Original Message- From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Recently, I had to take antibiotics to eliminate a tooth infection so I could get it pulled. For 4 days I took the antibiotics, but the tooth kept on hurting. Then I realized that I had continued drinking CS each day. As soon as I stopped, the antibiotics worked. __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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From: sol Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>CS & antibiotics Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:34:55 -0700 It has been my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong somebody) that oral antibiotics take several days (I have read 4 or 5 days) to build up to a blood level that starts to be effective. So the 4 days of "not working" might simply have been due to that, and not to co-usage of CS at all. sol -Original Message- From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Recently, I had to take antibiotics to eliminate a tooth infection so I could get it pulled. For 4 days I took the antibiotics, but the tooth kept on hurting. Then I realized that I had continued drinking CS each day. As soon as I stopped, the antibiotics worked. __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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It has been my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong somebody) that oral antibiotics take several days (I have read 4 or 5 days) to build up to a blood level that starts to be effective. So the 4 days of "not working" might simply have been due to that, and not to co-usage of CS at all. sol -Original Message- From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Recently, I had to take antibiotics to eliminate a tooth infection so I could get it pulled. For 4 days I took the antibiotics, but the tooth kept on hurting. Then I realized that I had continued drinking CS each day. As soon as I stopped, the antibiotics worked. __ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Probably coincidence. I had a similar experience but didn't stop the CS. The common element? It stopped hurting after a couple of days and the CS wasn't entirely getting the job done. I got my wallet pulled, not the cracked tooth and a root canal and a gold cap that cost more than the car I drove to the dentist office.] On the other hand, CS is doing a great job on another tooth. ode At 07:50 AM 3/12/2006 -0500, you wrote: "..when someone is taking CS and then is put on an antibiotic. does it affect the antibiotic effectiveness at all." Recently, I had to take antibiotics to eliminate a tooth infection so I could get it pulled. For 4 days I took the antibiotics, but the tooth kept on hurting. Then I realized that I had continued drinking CS each day. As soon as I stopped, the antibiotics worked. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1 - Release Date: 3/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1 - Release Date: 3/10/2006
CS>Re: CS & antibiotics... CS and upcoming surgery
CS promoting/creating stem cell growth? Do we have any info on this, other than: Nancy writes: ...CS is alleged to help the body create new stem cells in the wound to regrow tissue... Charles writes: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:04:46 -0500 From: "Charles Sutton" Subject: Re: CS>Knees ...The buz is that EIS will create stem cells, but I only use it for prevention of nasties jr -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/279 - Release Date: 3/10/06 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>CS & antibiotics
I have a different opinion of that Terry. I think it is a matter of transport; somehow the conventional antibiotics get to the infection better than CS. I had a couple of similar situations, and continued taking the CS with the Antibiotic, and it worked. Once, when I ran out of antibiotic prior to a dental visit, I began using a bulb syringe to squirt CS/10% DMSO on the area. It worked. Also, I found that taking a pint a day worked almost, but not quite as well as the ABX. -Original Message- From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 5:51 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>CS & antibiotics "..when someone is taking CS and then is put on an antibiotic. does it affect the antibiotic effectiveness at all." Recently, I had to take antibiotics to eliminate a tooth infection so I could get it pulled. For 4 days I took the antibiotics, but the tooth kept on hurting. Then I realized that I had continued drinking CS each day. As soon as I stopped, the antibiotics worked. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS & antibiotics... CS and upcoming surgery
I think Adelle Davis would recommend zinc before surgery for it's healing properties, and extra Vitamin C and possibly B Vitamins for stress could be helpful. But for healing wounds, I can say that I treated a leg amputation on a duck, and more recently big chunks bitten out of a duck's neck and side by a racoon, with CS and natural Comfrey-Aloe Vera salve, and had no signs of infection at all and wonderful regeneration of muscle and skin. CS is alleged to help the body create new stem cells in the wound to regrow tissue. It surely seemed to work for my ducks. Internally related to anesthetics, etc, I can't say. Nancy -- Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:51:37 +1030 From: Hannah Your explanation about the CS interfering with proper working of antibiotics gave me reason to ask the following question. This coming week I will go for day surgery to have a lipoma removed from left forearm (size about 5.5 cm by 3.5 cm) and one from thigh, in size a little larger (and deeper is my estimation). It will be done with local anaesthetic. My question is: is it advisable to perhaps not ingest any CS at least 24 hours prior to surgery, or perhaps even 48 hours. Could it interfere with anaesthetic at all. Are there perhaps any other precautions I should take before going in. This is as far as medical intervention will be, healing afterwards will be mostly home remedies (pain management etc). The removal is only done to help with diagnosis towards possibility of Dercums. Thanks for any input on this Hanneke ~ Australia -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>CS & antibiotics... CS and upcoming surgery
At 11:20 PM 12/03/2006, you wrote: For 4 days I took the antibiotics, but the tooth kept on hurting. Then I realized that I had continued drinking CS each day. As soon as I stopped, the antibiotics worked. Your explanation about the CS interfering with proper working of antibiotics gave me reason to ask the following question. This coming week I will go for day surgery to have a lipoma removed from left forearm (size about 5.5 cm by 3.5 cm) and one from thigh, in size a little larger (and deeper is my estimation). It will be done with local anaesthetic. My question is: is it advisable to perhaps not ingest any CS at least 24 hours prior to surgery, or perhaps even 48 hours. Could it interfere with anaesthetic at all. Are there perhaps any other precautions I should take before going in. This is as far as medical intervention will be, healing afterwards will be mostly home remedies (pain management etc). The removal is only done to help with diagnosis towards possibility of Dercums. Thanks for any input on this Hanneke ~ Australia -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS & antibiotics
"..when someone is taking CS and then is put on an antibiotic. does it affect the antibiotic effectiveness at all." Recently, I had to take antibiotics to eliminate a tooth infection so I could get it pulled. For 4 days I took the antibiotics, but the tooth kept on hurting. Then I realized that I had continued drinking CS each day. As soon as I stopped, the antibiotics worked. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>CS & antibiotics
Antibiotics are the excreta of live organisms, or a synthetic reproduction of that substance. The bacteria release the substances to kill others that are competing for food. -Original Message- From: Terry Chamberlin [mailto:tcj...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>CS & antibiotics Terry Chamberlin said, > During antibiotic use, I discontinued ingesting CS so as to not counteract the antibiotics.< Marshall said, "Why would they counteract each other?" My understanding of an antibiotic is that it releases live organisms into the body that kill certain specific bacteria. If that is accurate, the CS would kill those released organisms? __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>CS & antibiotics
Terry Chamberlin said, > During antibiotic use, I discontinued ingesting CS so as to not counteract the antibiotics.< Marshall said, Why would they counteract each other? My understanding of an antibiotic is that it releases live organisms into the body that kill certain specific bacteria. If that is accurate, the CS would kill those released organisms? __ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>[Fwd: Herx was, Re: CS>Antibiotics and CS]
Didn't go through the first time, so trying a forward. sol Original Message Subject:Herx was, Re: CS>Antibiotics and CS Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 10:42:07 -0600 From: sol To: silver-list@eskimo.com References: <200409221601.i8mg1uzf020...@ultra6.eskimo.com> http://www.joimr.org/phorum/read.php?f=2&i=51&t=51 http://www.google.com/search?q=herxheimer+&btnG=Search (google search results) It seems to me from various definitions of the Herxheimer reaction that it only happens when certain bacteria are present and killed off in large numbers. Which seems to contradict many posts I've read where people are worried about having a Herx reaction if they take too much EIS for conditions that do not seem to be related to any of the pertinent bacteriaand I've seen it said that any large die-off of ANY bacteria would cause a Herxheimer reaction. Which I personally have never experienced. I have taken tiny doses of EIS, and then taken huge doses, and certainly I have enough bacteria, viruses, and fungi to have had major die-offs from huge EIS doses, but I have never, ever had even a hint of a Herx reaction. So my personal belief is that Herx reactions are rare. In fact, I'd go so far to say they may often be caused by fear and expectation more than by anything else. I didn't know about Herx, never have had one, never expect to have one, so I don't ever have one? People who are scared of EIS, or believe even tiny doses of EIS can cause Herx do report having Herx. It also may be like people who have never had an allergic reaction don't "believe" in allergies. Ya gotta experience it to believe, maybe. sol Dave and Gwlynda Irek wrote: What is Herx? -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Some few people MIGHT have an allergy to Silver--VERY seldom. Some wise Sage once stated and I believe and quote: Any Person, of ANY size, with ANY Condition, taking ANY medication OR treatment CAN Safely Use and/or Take CS; Because, CS is a Special Gift from God--NOT a Drug or Medication Nor has any side reactions other than possible Herx--attributed to large CS dose and the patient being filled with killed pathogens and the body's delay in removing the killed items from the body fast enough--due to bladder and/or stool delay. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Antibiotics and CS
Hi Dae & Gwlynda, Herx stands for Herxheimer Effect which occurs when you take high CS doses (as a beginner) before your body get used to it--when you have a large amount of infection and the CS kills a quantity of bAAD sttuff and there's a delay in bladder & stool removing the killed pathogens. Sorry I didn't elaborate to eliminate duplication. Thanks for asking--I'm sure you weren't alone. Let me know if I can be of help. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Dave and Gwlynda Irek [mailto:bulld...@irek.cbeyond.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Antibiotics and CS What is Herx? -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:19 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CS>Antibiotics and CS Hi Susie, Some few people MIGHT have an allergy to Silver--VERY seldom. Some wise Sage once stated and I believe and quote: Any Person, of ANY size, with ANY Condition, taking ANY medication OR treatment CAN Safely Use and/or Take CS; Because, CS is a Special Gift from God--NOT a Drug or Medication Nor has any side reactions other than possible Herx--attributed to large CS dose and the patient being filled with killed pathogens and the body's delay in removing the killed items from the body fast enough--due to bladder and/or stool delay. If I can be of help, please let me know. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Antibiotics and CS
I have done it several times. There is no theoritical reason to not do so. JOH -Original Message- From: fredsus1 [mailto:freds...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:34 AM To: silver Subject: CS>Antibiotics and CS Does anyone know for sure whether it is fine to drink CS while on a course of antibiotics? Susie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Antibiotics and CS
What is Herx? -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:19 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CS>Antibiotics and CS Hi Susie, Some few people MIGHT have an allergy to Silver--VERY seldom. Some wise Sage once stated and I believe and quote: Any Person, of ANY size, with ANY Condition, taking ANY medication OR treatment CAN Safely Use and/or Take CS; Because, CS is a Special Gift from God--NOT a Drug or Medication Nor has any side reactions other than possible Herx--attributed to large CS dose and the patient being filled with killed pathogens and the body's delay in removing the killed items from the body fast enough--due to bladder and/or stool delay. If I can be of help, please let me know. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and CS I never heard of any problems. ode At 11:34 PM 9/21/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know for sure whether it is fine to drink CS while on a >course of antibiotics? > >Susie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Antibiotics and CS
Hi Susie, Some few people MIGHT have an allergy to Silver--VERY seldom. Some wise Sage once stated and I believe and quote: Any Person, of ANY size, with ANY Condition, taking ANY medication OR treatment CAN Safely Use and/or Take CS; Because, CS is a Special Gift from God--NOT a Drug or Medication Nor has any side reactions other than possible Herx--attributed to large CS dose and the patient being filled with killed pathogens and the body's delay in removing the killed items from the body fast enough--due to bladder and/or stool delay. If I can be of help, please let me know. Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:47 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and CS I never heard of any problems. ode At 11:34 PM 9/21/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know for sure whether it is fine to drink CS while on a course >of antibiotics? > >Susie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Antibiotics and CS
I can not think of any reason not. It could help take care of those not sensitive to the antbiotic, or just to help knock back the numbers more rapidly. Could possibly result in a die off reaction, but that is what you want right, to kill the bacteria. Garnet On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 01:34, fredsus1 wrote: > Does anyone know for sure whether it is fine to drink CS while on a course > of antibiotics? > > Susie > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Antibiotics and CS
I never heard of any problems. ode At 11:34 PM 9/21/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Does anyone know for sure whether it is fine to drink CS while on a course >of antibiotics? > >Susie > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
CS>Antibiotics and CS
Does anyone know for sure whether it is fine to drink CS while on a course of antibiotics? Susie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Antibiotics linked to rising rates of allergies
No problem to me, I have saved the article, it was very interesting, and since the researchers deliberately *infected* the test mice with a yeast, it has some bearing possibly on intestinal candida/allergies. Feel free to make similar mistakes anytime. paula Lagoon wrote: sorry, that was to be forwarded to another listthey were talking about pesticide removal from halifax city use as the cause for all the new athsma cases... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Antibiotics linked to rising rates of allergies
sorry, that was to be forwarded to another listthey were talking about pesticide removal from halifax city use as the cause for all the new athsma cases... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Antibiotics linked to rising rates of allergies
Antibiotics linked to huge rise in allergies http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns5047 NewScientist.com news service The increasing use of antibiotics to treat disease may be responsible for the rising rates of asthma and allergies. By upsetting the body's normal balance of gut microbes, antibiotics may prevent our immune system from distinguishing between harmless chemicals and real attacks. "The microbial gut flora is an arm of the immune system," says Gary Huffnagle at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbour. His research group has provided the first experimental evidence in mice that upsetting the gut flora can provoke an allergic response. Asthma has increased by around 160 per cent globally in the last 20 years. Currently about a quarter of schoolchildren in the US and a third of those in the UK have the condition, but pinning down the causes of the rise has proved difficult. Some researchers have blamed modern dust-free homes, while others have pointed to diet. Antibiotics have been implicated by some epidemiological studies. For example, the rise in allergies and asthma has tracked widespread antibiotic use. Furthermore, research in Berlin, Germany, has found that both antibiotic treatment and asthma were low in the east compared to the west when the wall came down. As antibiotic use has increased in the east though, so has asthma. This study is particularly valuable because the politically divided populations were genetically very similar and enjoyed much the same menu. Now Huffnagle has presented experimental evidence to back up the case. His team gave mice a course of antibiotics before feeding some of them with a yeast which is commonly found on human skin. With the natural gut bacteria suppressed by the drugs, the yeast became established in the mouse, with no side effects. Over the course of the following two weeks, the researchers treated all the mice with spores from a common fungus. Again, this does not cause disease, but fungal spores can trigger allergies in people. The mice whose gut flora had been manipulated, experienced a much higher immune response to the spores, suggesting that changes to the collection of microbes in people's guts following antibiotic treatment might also make us more susceptible to allergies. "Suddenly, your ability to ignore a mould spore has gone," Huffnagle told New Scientist. The team has repeated the experiments with a second strain of mice to show that the effect is not dependent on a particular set of mouse genes. They have also used a different molecule to produce the allergic response - an egg protein from chickens called ovalbumin that is commonly used in allergy research. In this case, when the team looked at the animals' lung linings under a microscope the effect of the over-active immune response was striking. "Their lungs are shredded, absolutely shredded. I'm sure they can't breath," says Huffnagle. He speculates that our gut bacteria are somehow involved in training the immune system to ignore harmless molecules that wind up in our stomach. Precisely how they do this is a mystery though. "He's on to a very special track," says Juneann Murphy an expert in stomach bacteria at the University of Oklahoma in Oklahoma City. "No one else has been able to make the connections before." She says the findings reinforce the message that antibiotics should be used only when absolutely necessary. She also suggests that patients who have just finished antibiotic treatment should also receive "probiotic" tablets containing "good" gut bacteria. Eating foods such as raw fruit and vegetables also helps to restore the natural balance in our guts. "Once you are done with the antibiotics you are not finished," adds Huffnagle. "You need to recover from the treatment itself." The research was presented at the American Society for Microbiology general meeting in New Orleans on Wednesday. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
I will try that but I don't think it will work then as the filter sucks up the water for the air to go through like a swamp cooler and without the filter the air will just go over the top of the water. Sincerely Yours, Hank My home page http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka Radarmatrix http://www.radarmatrix.com Songs http://hdka.stormpages.com/index.html Chemtrails http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs? Best remove the filter. Ode At 03:48 PM 12/1/2003 -0600, you wrote: >>>> Ode the one I got just has a filter that picks up the water and a small fan blows out like a swamp cooler and no heater, I don't know if it will let the CS get through or not. It takes about 24 hr to use 1 gallon and you can't see any coming out. If it will kill anything in the house I will be happy if now then oh well it is a humidifier. I don't think you could breath in any CS with it like what some are wanting. Sincerely Yours, Hank My home page <http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka>http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka Radarmatrix <http://www.radarmatrix.com>http://www.radarmatrix.com Songs <http://hdka.stormpages.com/index.html>http://hdka.stormpages.com/index.html Chemtrails <http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html>http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html - Original Message - From: <mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net>Ode Coyote To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs? "Cool Mist" I think that's the one I looked at and almost bought...right before I saw that it had a heating element in it. Ode At 11:37 PM 11/30/2003 -0600, you wrote: >>>> I'm not sure if the cool mist is what you want. You want one that says ionizer. Nancy - Original Message - From: <<mailto:h...@arkansas.ne>Hank">mailto:h...@arkansas.net>Hank To: <<mailto:silver-l...@eskimo.co>silver-list@eskimo.com">mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs? I just went to wal-mart and bought a Cool mist Humidifier, I am going to put 20PPM CS in it and run it. I don't know if it will do anything but hay it is something to do. and I do hope it kills something, I don't care what. Goodnight all. hope you had a good day and lots of turkey. Sincerely Yours, Hank Radarmatrix <http://www.radarmatrix.com>http://www.radarmatrix.com Songs <http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html>http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html Chemtrails <http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html>http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html - Original Message - From: <mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net>Nancy DeLise To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs? CS does not destroy antibiotics, it destroys bacteria, fungus, and virsus. - Original Message - From: <mailto:esl...@aol.com>esl...@aol.com To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:34 AM Subject: CS>Antibiotics and cs? Does cs destroy antibiotics ? Some folks I have given cs to have asked this question. Thanks Steve --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as AVG can do it. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<http://www.grisoft.com>http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/19/03 <<<< -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as AVG can do it. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<http://www.grisoft.com>http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/03 <<<< --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as AVG can do it. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/03
Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
Best remove the filter. Ode At 03:48 PM 12/1/2003 -0600, you wrote: >>>> Ode the one I got just has a filter that picks up the water and a small fan blows out like a swamp cooler and no heater, I don't know if it will let the CS get through or not. It takes about 24 hr to use 1 gallon and you can't see any coming out. If it will kill anything in the house I will be happy if now then oh well it is a humidifier. I don't think you could breath in any CS with it like what some are wanting. Sincerely Yours, Hank My home page http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka Radarmatrix http://www.radarmatrix.com Songs http://hdka.stormpages.com/index.html Chemtrails http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs? "Cool Mist" I think that's the one I looked at and almost bought...right before I saw that it had a heating element in it. Ode At 11:37 PM 11/30/2003 -0600, you wrote: >>>> I'm not sure if the cool mist is what you want. You want one that says ionizer. Nancy - Original Message - From: <Hank">mailto:h...@arkansas.net>Hank To: <silver-list@eskimo.com">mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs? I just went to wal-mart and bought a Cool mist Humidifier, I am going to put 20PPM CS in it and run it. I don't know if it will do anything but hay it is something to do. and I do hope it kills something, I don't care what. Goodnight all. hope you had a good day and lots of turkey. Sincerely Yours, Hank Radarmatrix http://www.radarmatrix.com Songs http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html Chemtrails http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html - Original Message - From: Nancy DeLise To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs? CS does not destroy antibiotics, it destroys bacteria, fungus, and virsus. - Original Message - From: esl...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:34 AM Subject: CS>Antibiotics and cs? Does cs destroy antibiotics ? Some folks I have given cs to have asked this question. Thanks Steve --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as AVG can do it. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/19/03 <<<< -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as AVG can do it. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/03 <<<<
Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
Ode the one I got just has a filter that picks up the water and a small fan blows out like a swamp cooler and no heater, I don't know if it will let the CS get through or not. It takes about 24 hr to use 1 gallon and you can't see any coming out. If it will kill anything in the house I will be happy if now then oh well it is a humidifier. I don't think you could breath in any CS with it like what some are wanting. Sincerely Yours, Hank My home page http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka Radarmatrix http://www.radarmatrix.com Songs http://hdka.stormpages.com/index.html Chemtrails http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:17 AM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs? "Cool Mist" I think that's the one I looked at and almost bought...right before I saw that it had a heating element in it. Ode At 11:37 PM 11/30/2003 -0600, you wrote: >>>> I'm not sure if the cool mist is what you want. You want one that says ionizer. Nancy - Original Message - From: <mailto:h...@arkansas.net>Hank To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs? I just went to wal-mart and bought a Cool mist Humidifier, I am going to put 20PPM CS in it and run it. I don't know if it will do anything but hay it is something to do. and I do hope it kills something, I don't care what. Goodnight all. hope you had a good day and lots of turkey. Sincerely Yours, Hank Radarmatrix <http://www.radarmatrix.com>http://www.radarmatrix.com Songs <http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html>http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html Chemtrails <http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html>http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html - Original Message - From: <mailto:nancym...@prodigy.net>Nancy DeLise To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs? CS does not destroy antibiotics, it destroys bacteria, fungus, and virsus. - Original Message - From: <mailto:esl...@aol.com>esl...@aol.com To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:34 AM Subject: CS>Antibiotics and cs? Does cs destroy antibiotics ? Some folks I have given cs to have asked this question. Thanks Steve --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as AVG can do it. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<http://www.grisoft.com>http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/19/03 <<<< -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as AVG can do it. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.545 / Virus Database: 339 - Release Date: 11/27/03
Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
"Cool Mist" I think that's the one I looked at and almost bought...right before I saw that it had a heating element in it. Ode At 11:37 PM 11/30/2003 -0600, you wrote: >>>> I'm not sure if the cool mist is what you want. You want one that says ionizer. Nancy - Original Message - From: Hank To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:24 AM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs? I just went to wal-mart and bought a Cool mist Humidifier, I am going to put 20PPM CS in it and run it. I don't know if it will do anything but hay it is something to do. and I do hope it kills something, I don't care what. Goodnight all. hope you had a good day and lots of turkey. Sincerely Yours, Hank Radarmatrix http://www.radarmatrix.com Songs http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html Chemtrails http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html - Original Message - From: Nancy DeLise To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:19 AM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs? CS does not destroy antibiotics, it destroys bacteria, fungus, and virsus. - Original Message - From: esl...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:34 AM Subject: CS>Antibiotics and cs? Does cs destroy antibiotics ? Some folks I have given cs to have asked this question. Thanks Steve --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as AVG can do it. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/19/03 <<<< -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
I'm not sure if the cool mist is what you want. You want one that says ionizer.
Nancy
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Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
I just went to wal-mart and bought a Cool mist Humidifier, I am going to put
20PPM CS in it and run it. I don't know if it will do anything but hay it is
something to do. and I do hope it kills something, I don't care what. Goodnight
all. hope you had a good day and lots of turkey.
Sincerely Yours,
Hank
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From: Nancy DeLise
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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
CS does not destroy antibiotics, it destroys bacteria, fungus, and virsus.
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Subject: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
Does cs destroy antibiotics ? Some folks I have given cs to have asked
this question.
Thanks
Steve
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Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
I just went to wal-mart and bought a Cool mist Humidifier, I am going to put
20PPM CS in it and run it. I don't know if it will do anything but hay it is
something to do. and I do hope it kills something, I don't care what. Goodnight
all. hope you had a good day and lots of turkey.
Sincerely Yours,
Hank
Radarmatrix
http://www.radarmatrix.com
Songs
http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html
Chemtrails
http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html
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From: Nancy DeLise
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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2003 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
CS does not destroy antibiotics, it destroys bacteria, fungus, and virsus.
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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:34 AM
Subject: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
Does cs destroy antibiotics ? Some folks I have given cs to have asked this
question.
Thanks
Steve
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Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
CS does not destroy antibiotics, it destroys bacteria, fungus, and virsus. - Original Message - From: esl...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 12:34 AM Subject: CS>Antibiotics and cs? Does cs destroy antibiotics ? Some folks I have given cs to have asked this question. Thanks Steve
Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
well i have used both together, and the infection disappears very rapidly. just my experience with humans and animals. xoxoxoxoxoxo melody IN MEMORY OF WOLFIE, SUNNY & ELVIS --- esl...@aol.com wrote: Does cs destroy antibiotics ? Some folks I have given cs to have asked this question. Thanks Steve -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Antibiotics and cs?
NO. Not in my experience with pets. Since I started taking CS, I haven't taken an Rx antibiotic. paula - Original Message - From: esl...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 11:34 PM Subject: CS>Antibiotics and cs? Does cs destroy antibiotics ? Some folks I have given cs to have asked this question. Thanks Steve
CS>Antibiotics and cs?
Does cs destroy antibiotics ? Some folks I have given cs to have asked this question. Thanks Steve
CS>ANTIBIOTICS OTHER THAN CIPRO WORK AGAINST ANTHRAX
There are many other antibiotics that can be used against the strains of Anthrax currently being found. In the CDC report below Antimicrobial Susceptibility means that that antibiotic was able to kill the Anthrax bacillus. This is an official CDC Health Advisory Distributed via the Health Alert Network October 22, 2001, 21:12 EDT (9:12 PM EDT) Antimicrobial Susceptibility of Bacillus anthracis Isolates Associated with Intentional Distribution in Florida, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Washington, D.C., September - October, 2001 The antimicrobial susceptibility patterns of eleven Bacillus anthracis isolates associated with intentional exposures on the east coast have been determined. The susceptibility patterns of all the isolates were similar and are described below. CDC will be issuing updated treatment recommendations for anthrax and will disseminate them as soon as they are completed. Ciprofloxacin <0.06 µg/ml (susceptible) Tetracycline = 0.06 µg/ml (susceptible) Doxycycline <0.03 µg/ml (susceptible) Penicillin <0.06 µg/ml - 0.12ug/ml (“susceptible” but see below) Amoxicillin < 0.03 µg/ml (“susceptible” but see below) Erythromycin = 1 µg/ml (intermediate) Azithromycin =2 µg/ml (borderline susceptible) Clarithromycin =0.25 µg/ml (susceptible) Rifampin = 0.5 µg/ml (susceptible) Clindamycin <0.5 µg/ml (susceptible) Vancomycin = 1-2 µg/ml (susceptible) Chloramphenicol = 4 µg/ml (susceptible) Ceftriaxone = 16 -32 µg/ml (intermediate or resistant) The penicillin MICs were <0.06 to 0.12 µg/ml, which, using the NCCLS staphylococcal breakpoint for penicillin, would be considered susceptible (resistance is defined as >0.25 µg/ml). All of the B. anthracis isolates were also susceptible to ciprofloxacin (MIC< 0.06 µg/ml), chloramphenicol (MIC = 4 µg/ml), tetracycline (MIC=0.06 µg/ml), doxycycline (MIC=0.06 µg/ml), rifampin (MIC<0.5 µg/ml), and vancomycin (MIC 1-2 µg/ml). Although there are no amoxicillin breakpoints defined for staphylococci by NCCLS, the amoxicillin results (MIC <0.03 µg/ml) were considered susceptible for B. anthracis. However, the erythromycin MICs of all eleven strains of B. anthracis would be categorized as intermediate (MIC= 1 µg/ml ). The MICs to clarithromycin (MIC=0.25 µg/ml) and azithromycin (MIC=2 µg/ml) are susceptible (but azithromycin MICs are at the susceptible breakpoint). Using the NCCLS ceftriaxone breakpoints designated for gram-negative organisms (since there are no breakpoints specifically for ceftriaxone for staphylococci) all isolates would be considered as intermediate (MIC =16 ug/ml) or resistant (MIC=32 µg/ml). These MICs suggest the presence of a cephalosporinase in the isolates. Additional studies are in progress to define the beta-lactamases of B. anthracis. Conclusions The current B. anthracis strains associated with the intentional exposures are susceptible to ciprofloxacin and doxycycline, the two drugs approved for post-exposure prophylaxis to B. anthracis and recommended as part of initial therapy of inhalational or cutaneous anthrax. The current strains also are susceptible to chloramphenicol, clindamycin, rifampin, vancomycin, and clarithromycin, but limited or no data exists regarding the use of these agents in the treatment or prophylaxis of B. anthracis infections. Cephalosporins should not be used for post-exposure prophylaxis or treatment of B. anthracis infections. The likelihood of a beta-lactamase induction event that would increase penicillin MICs is significantly higher in infections where high concentrations of organisms are present. Thus, treatment of known B. anthracis infections with a penicillin type drug alone (i.e., penicillin G, ampicillin, etc.) in the setting where high concentrations of organisms are present is a concern. The likelihood of a beta-lactamase induction event that would increase penicillin MICs is lower when only small numbers of vegetative cells are present, such as during post exposure prophylaxis. Thus, amoxicillin or penicillin VK may be an option for post-exposure prophylaxis where ciprofloxacin or doxycycline are contraindicated. Additional studies are in progress to assess the susceptibility of the penicillinase activity observed in these strains to beta-lactamase inhibitors. Clinical experience is limited, but combination therapy with two or more antimicrobials may be appropriate in patients with severe infection. http://www.bt.cdc.gov/DocumentsApp/Anthrax/10222001Advisory/10222001Advisory.a sp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilve
RE: CS>Antibiotics and the Pill
Besides, antibiotics won't work on a virus anyway. -Original Message- From: Judith Thamm [mailto:galing...@chariot.net.au] Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 11:48 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and the Pill Dear Tony, > > Does taking antibiotics result in contraceptive pill becoming less > effective? I believe it doesn't - only - why would you want to take an antibiotic? anti = against biosis=life; an against life product - it would only impair the person's immune system. > > Does taking CS make the pill less effective? A colloid does not interreact with a drug unless it contained fungal, bacterial or viral contamination. > > A young adult who is on the pill and who has just come down with 'flu > wants to know. Her mother has offered her CS for the 'flu symptoms, and > the CS is said to be "a natural antibiotic". She seems to think that the > pill is made ineffective by antibiotics, thus increasing the risk of > unwanted pregnancy. She would like to take CS but doesn't want to become > pregnant right now. :, giving up sex for a while doesn't seem to be an > option. [The population would decline if it was ;) ] > > I am not aware of antibiotics affecting the pill and, if so, > would really like to know the pathway. > Avoid antibiotics, take the CS, continue sex, continue the pill. Regards, Judith. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Antibiotics and the Pill
I didn't see this original post..but just for the record.antibiotics DEFINATELY interfere with the effectiveness of the pill. Your physician should tell you this when he/she prescribes them as well as the pharmacist when you pick it up. As far as CS goes.I don't know the answer to that question..but there are many more qualified listers who may be able to give a more definitive answer to that question. Just clarifying the antibiotic issue for those who weren't aware. Christiane - Original Message - From: Judith Thamm To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: Re: CS>Antibiotics and the Pill > Dear Tony, > > > > > > Does taking antibiotics result in contraceptive pill becoming less > > effective? > I believe it doesn't - only - why would you want to take an antibiotic? > anti = against biosis=life; an against life product - it would only impair > the person's immune system. > > > > > > Does taking CS make the pill less effective? > > A colloid does not interreact with a drug unless it contained fungal, > bacterial or viral contamination. > > > > > A young adult who is on the pill and who has just come down with 'flu > > wants to know. Her mother has offered her CS for the 'flu symptoms, and > > the CS is said to be "a natural antibiotic". She seems to think that the > > pill is made ineffective by antibiotics, thus increasing the risk of > > unwanted pregnancy. She would like to take CS but doesn't want to become > > pregnant right now. :, giving up sex for a while doesn't seem to be an > > option. > > [The population would decline if it was ;) ] > > > > > I am not aware of antibiotics affecting the pill and, if so, > > would really like to know the pathway. > > > Avoid antibiotics, take the CS, continue sex, continue the pill. > > Regards, > Judith. > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Antibiotics and the Pill
Dear Tony, > > Does taking antibiotics result in contraceptive pill becoming less > effective? I believe it doesn't - only - why would you want to take an antibiotic? anti = against biosis=life; an against life product - it would only impair the person's immune system. > > Does taking CS make the pill less effective? A colloid does not interreact with a drug unless it contained fungal, bacterial or viral contamination. > > A young adult who is on the pill and who has just come down with 'flu > wants to know. Her mother has offered her CS for the 'flu symptoms, and > the CS is said to be "a natural antibiotic". She seems to think that the > pill is made ineffective by antibiotics, thus increasing the risk of > unwanted pregnancy. She would like to take CS but doesn't want to become > pregnant right now. :, giving up sex for a while doesn't seem to be an > option. [The population would decline if it was ;) ] > > I am not aware of antibiotics affecting the pill and, if so, > would really like to know the pathway. > Avoid antibiotics, take the CS, continue sex, continue the pill. Regards, Judith. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Antibiotics and the Pill
Dear list, Two questions: Does taking antibiotics result in contraceptive pill becoming less effective? Does taking CS make the pill less effective? A young adult who is on the pill and who has just come down with 'flu wants to know. Her mother has offered her CS for the 'flu symptoms, and the CS is said to be "a natural antibiotic". She seems to think that the pill is made ineffective by antibiotics, thus increasing the risk of unwanted pregnancy. She would like to take CS but doesn't want to become pregnant right now. :, giving up sex for a while doesn't seem to be an option. I am not aware of antibiotics affecting the pill and, if so, would really like to know the pathway. regards, Tony -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I came across this post on another list this morning which relates a possible alternative to taking antibiotics - garlic. hlee Message: 13 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2000 22:04:53 -0800 From: "green1" Subject: Re: tooth abscess Bernie, Vilik and List, I've had consistently good results suppressing tooth abscess with garlic. For the past couple of years I've been occasionally afflicted by abscess in my gums and the roots of teeth that had decayed into the pulp. Whereas previously I would have made an appointment to see a doctor and paid him $35 to $50 for the office call -- for the purpose of getting a prescription for an antibiotic to knock out the infection -- more recently, financial necessity had driven me to seek less expensive relief. On the advice of two separate friends with experience in herbal healing, I tried raw garlic and found it as effective as the antibiotics I had formerly used, with the added benefit of lacking the harmful side effects of the antibiotics. With garlic I have always experienced relief from abscess pain within a few hours, and elimination of the abscess altogether within a few days, taking the garlic 2 or 3 times a day. Although I'm told that garlic is most effective for this purpose if crushed, I've found it sufficient to merely dice the garlic into pieces small enough to present no difficulty swallowing. I take two large cloves diced and wash them down with water. It may help to have some food already in the stomach, the garlic is strong and on an empty stomach may "want to come back up." I've found the remedy so effective (like antibiotics), that I have a tendency discontinue treatment before the infection is completely eliminated, thereby allowing it to return. I've found it best to continue treatment at least several days after the abscess seems to be gone. I've found also that it's best to initiate treatment as soon as the familiar tenderness of a developing abscess is apparent -- rather than wait until my jaw is falling off and I'm in fear for my life. I don't like taking the garlic, but it always works very well for me. Green >Dawn > >Don't feel bad about taking the antibiotics. I had to take them several >months ago for a sinus infection that nothing worked on. I felt so bad I >couldn't sleep my head was hammering so loud, and I had night sweats etc as >well. I took the drugs with a anti-fungal drug Diflucan. I had no qualms >about doing so as I didn't want to take the risk that my candida would flare >up and get even worse. I also took probiotics at different times than the >anti's to replace bowel flora. Probiotics are not enough to stop candida >growth when taking a course of antibiotcs. > >From what you have described, (I know others feel differently) I would have >taken the antibiotics. I ONLY use them for life threatening situations or >when nothing else works and life's the pitts, and what you have described >this could have been one of those times. Systemic blood poisoning is very >quick, and can become fatal very quickly. Don't feel bad. Embrace life and >forget the antibiotics! > >Tracy. > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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Dawn Don't feel bad about taking the antibiotics. I had to take them several months ago for a sinus infection that nothing worked on. I felt so bad I couldn't sleep my head was hammering so loud, and I had night sweats etc as well. I took the drugs with a anti-fungal drug Diflucan. I had no qualms about doing so as I didn't want to take the risk that my candida would flare up and get even worse. I also took probiotics at different times than the anti's to replace bowel flora. Probiotics are not enough to stop candida growth when taking a course of antibiotcs. >From what you have described, (I know others feel differently) I would have taken the antibiotics. I ONLY use them for life threatening situations or when nothing else works and life's the pitts, and what you have described this could have been one of those times. Systemic blood poisoning is very quick, and can become fatal very quickly. Don't feel bad. Embrace life and forget the antibiotics! Tracy. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Antibiotics vs Superbugs
Farm use of antibiotics blamed for 'superbugs'. Article dated Aug.19,1999 from the Electronic Telegraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000271261842766&rtmo=wsKK5t5b&atmo=&pg=/et/99/8/19/nant119.html Many newcomers to the list may wonder, why CS? Well, there are many reasons and the above article will explain a few. michael -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & antibiotics & ??????
>Have you tried oxygen therapies? Not yet but plan to in the future if I get a chance. I have tryed peroxide baths and that does help. >>>With out it I become a shuffling, shaking, hurting, sleeping reck that can't even remember what I done 10 minutes before. I don't have the answer for the reason that CS caused the combination of antibotics that I take to quit working but it did. >>>Floxin has been singled out on one of the major news shows for the >neurological >>>damage that can and does occur. I expect you feel untired because of some of >>>this effect. I took one and it was "wired to the ceiling" time. Be careful of >>>all the fluoroquinilones. >> There was more to it than just being tired. That was just one of the >>problems. I know that floxin or "any" antibotic isn't good for a person >>if they have to take it long term but I'm stuck between a rock and a >>hard place. With out them I run the risk of having another heart attack, >>can't function enough to carry on my daily life, and it just eats my nerves >>up. It's so bad at times that I can't stand sound or light. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & antibiotics & ??????
Have you tried oxygen therapies? At 01:46 PM 10/9/98 -0500, you wrote: >>With out it I become a shuffling, shaking, >>> hurting, sleeping reck that can't even remember what I done 10 minutes >>> before. >>> I don't have the answer for the reason that CS caused the combination >>> of antibotics that I take to quit working but it did. >>Floxin has been singled out on one of the major news shows for the neurological >>damage that can and does occur. I expect you feel untired because of some of >>this effect. I took one and it was "wired to the ceiling" time. Be careful of >>all the fluoroquinilones. > > There was more to it than just being tired. That was just one of the >problems. I know that floxin or "any" antibotic isn't good for a person >if they have to take it long term but I'm stuck between a rock and a >hard place. With out them I run the risk of having another heart attack, >can't function enough to carry on my daily life, and it just eats my nerves >up. It's so bad at times that I can't stand sound or light. > >>What if the CS made you tired from die off of candida or???, have you been >>tested for yeast? Sorry, just trying to help. I read candida may be causative >>for CFS symptoms. Deb >> Debbie McDonald > > I've considered yeast as a posibility for some of my problems. God knows >as much antibotics that I've had ran through me that I should have a massive >yeast infection. The one thing that rules that out is that I was 90%+ cured >a little while back with IV clafrin. The bug that has me is right under my >skin. It's a fiberglass fealing that is slowly working it's way into my >muscles and other parts of my body. I know that it has an effect on my >nerves and veins. I believe that it shrinks my veins and possability causes >them to harden. I know it does that to my nerves because the more moving >around that I do the works it gets. I can take some thing to make me sleep >for a few days and some of my pain and problems go away or atleast lessen. >That non movement of the nerves gives them time to mend some. > > The area that the infection (soft tissue) makes it hard to cure with >antibotics or anything for that matter. I think that is why the floxin >works so good on me because it gets to the nerves. > > > > > >Take Care > >Reid > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & antibiotics & ??????
>With out it I become a shuffling, shaking, >> hurting, sleeping reck that can't even remember what I done 10 minutes >> before. >> I don't have the answer for the reason that CS caused the combination >> of antibotics that I take to quit working but it did. >Floxin has been singled out on one of the major news shows for the neurological >damage that can and does occur. I expect you feel untired because of some of >this effect. I took one and it was "wired to the ceiling" time. Be careful of >all the fluoroquinilones. There was more to it than just being tired. That was just one of the problems. I know that floxin or "any" antibotic isn't good for a person if they have to take it long term but I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. With out them I run the risk of having another heart attack, can't function enough to carry on my daily life, and it just eats my nerves up. It's so bad at times that I can't stand sound or light. >What if the CS made you tired from die off of candida or???, have you been >tested for yeast? Sorry, just trying to help. I read candida may be causative >for CFS symptoms. Deb > Debbie McDonald I've considered yeast as a posibility for some of my problems. God knows as much antibotics that I've had ran through me that I should have a massive yeast infection. The one thing that rules that out is that I was 90%+ cured a little while back with IV clafrin. The bug that has me is right under my skin. It's a fiberglass fealing that is slowly working it's way into my muscles and other parts of my body. I know that it has an effect on my nerves and veins. I believe that it shrinks my veins and possability causes them to harden. I know it does that to my nerves because the more moving around that I do the works it gets. I can take some thing to make me sleep for a few days and some of my pain and problems go away or atleast lessen. That non movement of the nerves gives them time to mend some. The area that the infection (soft tissue) makes it hard to cure with antibotics or anything for that matter. I think that is why the floxin works so good on me because it gets to the nerves. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & antibiotics & ??????
With out it I become a shuffling, shaking, > hurting, sleeping reck that can't even remember what I done 10 minutes > before. > > I don't have the answer for the reason that CS caused the combination > of antibotics that I take to quit working but it did. Floxin has been singled out on one of the major news shows for the neurological damage that can and does occur. I expect you feel untired because of some of this effect. I took one and it was "wired to the ceiling" time. Be careful of all the fluoroquinilones. What if the CS made you tired from die off of candida or???, have you been tested for yeast? Sorry, just trying to help. I read candida may be causative for CFS symptoms. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & antibiotics & ??????
>>Sorry to prove you wrong but it "did" cancel out the effects of the >> antibotics in me and I had to quit taking the CS. The way that I know is >> the antibotics that I take give me energy and wake me up plus other >things. With out them I sleep all the time. After about 2 weeks I started going >down hill and the antibotics wasn't working any more. About 2-3 days after I >stopped the CS they started working again. Some people haven't had problems with >> mixing the two and I think that it makes a difference in the type of >antibotics that the person is taking. Myself I was on floxin and zithromax at the >time. >Reid, > There are lots of possible explanations. You say acidophillus cause >intestinal bleeding in you? Gasto-intestinal disturbances are the most >frequently reported adverse affects of zithromax. >You are concurrently using the EMEM-2? The acidophillus bleeding problem was before I even knew about the EMEM-2 device or Rife. I took it as advized by my doctor and 1-2 days later I was bleeding. The bleeding stopped when I quit taking the acidophillus. >What other meds, diet changes, electrobiophysical experimentations are you doing? >Floxin and Zithromax have somewhat overlapping toxicities to the kidneys. 25% of >Floxin is bound to plasma protein. Ag precipitates plasma protein. The normal dose >for Zithromax is one day. Occassionally it is give 3 or even 4 days. Thats pushing >it. One patient took it for nine days and suffered irreversible renal failure >(Mansoor GA,et al. Azithromycin-induced acute interstitial nephritis. Ann >Intern Med 1993; 119: 636-7). Perhaps you were experiencing a "die-off >rxn"? Did you run any tests (liver function, kidney function, blood chem, >stools) to zero in on what is really going on? > Reid, I'd have to see something more than energy levels in one person. > I've seen nothing in the literature as to an interaction of any antibiotic >and CS, nor can I think I think up a plausible counteraction. On the other >hand, in many cases they may work in an additive fashion. I am not an >apologist for CS and don't sell it. My comments are intended in a >constructive spirit. >Regards, >Vincent The doctor at the time gave me a pad of antibotics and said try each one for a few days then try combinations of them and see what helps. I went through each one for a week at a time and none helped alot. Then after a few combinations of both I found floxin and zithromax worked. At the time I was sleeping from 14 to 18 hours a day. I found that if I took that combination at 6:00am and went back to sleep that at 9:00am I would wake up and feal good. I had energy, didn't hurt, and was able to carry on with daily tasks. That's been over 7 years ago and the only thing that has kept me going. With out it I become a shuffling, shaking, hurting, sleeping reck that can't even remember what I done 10 minutes before. I don't have the answer for the reason that CS caused the combination of antibotics that I take to quit working but it did. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & antibiotics & ??????
Vincent: Your posts are excellent - to see where we are heading re. pharmaceuticals the following site is must see. Once you get into it you won't be able leave it... Check out the "BERLIN TRIBUNAL" http://www.rath.nl/GB/hot1.htm Chris Gupta At 12:38 PM 10/7/98 -0700, VGammill wrote: [snip] > Ask yourself if it is in the interest of the pharmaceutical giants to >cure you at a reasonable price, or keep you paying through the nose >forever. Ask yourself if it is in the interest of those who mind the >government coffers for you to live forever in perfect health collecting >those benefits, or is it in their interest for you to keel over at age 65. >I would not be surprised to learn that the government and the >pharmaceutical industry are toying around with chronic diseases of the >future to protect themselves against the nightmarish eventuality that >everyone has learned to wipe out their own cancer, heart disease, &c.. On >the other hand that would be a perfect excuse to raise the allowable >amounts on all the carcinogens in our food, air, and water. > >Lets keep our fingers crossed that natural antibiotics such as CS and >usnea will prove their mettle in the political-economic healthcare wars to >come. > >Vincent Gammill > > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & antibiotics & ??????
Mike Devour writes: > Hello Vincent! You just saw the perfect example of why we *never* > spout absolutes in this forum. Well, maybe not *never!* > There is so much diversity of experience among our members that > there will be exceptions to nearly every assumption you can make. Mike, What may have come across as pontification re the combination of CS and antibiotics was actually an effort to keep things simple and straightforward for people who may not have a lot of time on their hands to mull over technical matters. CS does not negate any of the usual antibiotics by any of the known routes by which antibiotic work. But, all prescription antibiotics have a plethora of unwanted side effects. Likewise, all the transition metals (even CS) have unwanted effects in high dosages. These unwanted effects can be compounded. I do not have strong biases pro or con CS. But laying cards on the table--pro: It would be wonderful to have a simple natural antibiotic without significant side effects that can be kept forever in the hands of the people and forever out of the hands of the pharmaceutical giants and the FDA. And, con: The existence of CS antedates the sulfa drugs and penicillin. It did nothing that I know of to help in the flu epidemic of 1918, nor did it help in syphilis, TB, and polio. I don't want to confuse issues by discussing antibiotics and antiseptics in the same message, but Ag is very effective as such. I've seen AgNO3 used to irrigate an infected thorasic cavity after coronary bypass surgery. So many of the other antiseptics that have been in common use are very very harmful--ortho phenylphenol which was used in Lysol, not to mention all the quaternary ammonium compounds that are now used with so little concern. There are other everyday chemicals in common use I suspect cause enormous harm, but it would be not be sensible to discuss them without serious proof--not when major industries would be harmed and perhaps unfairly. I would like to see the whole pharmaceutical industry wither away for the simple reason that their patent medicines aren't need or wanted. But can that happen when the profits are so addictive? All of allopathic medicine came together last century for simple purpose of quashing their homeopathic and botanic low-dollar competitors. Ask yourself if it is in the interest of the pharmaceutical giants to cure you at a reasonable price, or keep you paying through the nose forever. Ask yourself if it is in the interest of those who mind the government coffers for you to live forever in perfect health collecting those benefits, or is it in their interest for you to keel over at age 65. I would not be surprised to learn that the government and the pharmaceutical industry are toying around with chronic diseases of the future to protect themselves against the nightmarish eventuality that everyone has learned to wipe out their own cancer, heart disease, &c.. On the other hand that would be a perfect excuse to raise the allowable amounts on all the carcinogens in our food, air, and water. Lets keep our fingers crossed that natural antibiotics such as CS and usnea will prove their mettle in the political-economic healthcare wars to come. Vincent Gammill -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & antibiotics & ??????
> >> There was some discussion of whether or not CS & antibiotics cancel each > >other out. Did this question ever get answered definitively? > > >Shelly, > > CS and antibiotics do not cancel each other out. This is definitive. > >You can take it to the bank. > > >Vincent Gammill > > >Sorry to prove you wrong but it "did" cancel out the effects of the > antibotics in me and I had to quit taking the CS. The way that I know is > the antibotics that I take give me energy and wake me up plus other things. > With out them I sleep all the time. After about 2 weeks I started going down > hill and the antibotics wasn't working any more. About 2-3 days after I stopped > the CS they started working again. Some people haven't had problems with > mixing the two and I think that it makes a difference in the type of antibotics > that the person is taking. Myself I was on floxin and zithromax at the time. > Take Care > Reid Reid, There are lots of possible explanations. You say acidophillus cause intestinal bleeding in you? Gasto-intestinal disturbances are the most frequently reported adverse affects of zithromax. You are concurrently using the EMEM-2? What other meds, diet changes, electrobiophysical experimentations are you doing? Floxin and Zithromax have somewhat overlapping toxicities to the kidneys. 25% of Floxin is bound to plasma protein. Ag precipitates plasma protein. The normal dose for Zithromax is one day. Occassionally it is give 3 or even 4 days. Thats pushing it. One patient took it for nine days and suffered irreversible renal failure (Mansoor GA,et al. Azithromycin-induced acute interstitial nephritis. Ann Intern Med 1993; 119: 636-7). Perhaps you were experiencing a "die-off rxn"? Did you run any tests (liver function, kidney function, blood chem, stools) to zero in on what is really going on? Reid, I'd have to see something more than energy levels in one person. I've seen nothing in the literature as to an interaction of any antibiotic and CS, nor can I think I think up a plausible counteraction. On the other hand, in many cases they may work in an additive fashion. I am not an apologist for CS and don't sell it. My comments are intended in a constructive spirit. Regards, Vincent -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & antibiotics & ??????
Shelly asked: > There was some discussion of whether or not CS & antibiotics > cancel each other out. Did this question ever get answered > definitively? Vincent Gammill replied: > CS and antibiotics do not cancel each other out. This is > definitive. You can take it to the bank. Reid retorted: >Sorry to prove you wrong but it "did" cancel out the effects of > the antibotics in me and I had to quit taking the CS. ... Hello Vincent! You just saw the perfect example of why we *never* spout absolutes in this forum. Well, maybe not *never!* There is so much diversity of experience among our members that there will be exceptions to nearly every assumption you can make. You wrote: > What is the usual metabolic fate of CS? We've got clues that it ultimately clears the body in the feces... > How long does it last until it is oxidized to Ag+ ?? And then does > it preferentially form an oxide ... , an ionic salt ... , lock on > to any endogenous chelating anions or diols &c., or is it simply > snatched up by albumin or other protein? I don't think we know for sure what chemical form it is in even in the *bottle*, let alone once it gets into our systems. Scary, huh? > How would it attack various microorganisms of interest--especially > those that are cell wall deficient? There is generally reported some mumo-jumbo about interfering with enzymes involved in oxygen uptake, mumble, mumble... > What about the odd oxidation states of Tetrasil (+2 and +4) as the > oxide and is it truly antiviral? I've never heard of Tetrasil. As to being antiviral, some anecdotal evidence points that way, some doesn't. I know that viral infections like colds run their normal course in me once they get started, but they *do not* advance to secondary bacterial infections. So the outcome is generally much improved by CS use. You'll frequently hear from folks who say they can stop a cold if they hit it with CS when they *first* note symptoms. > Silver salts can be reduced into several allotropes. Is there a > difference in physiological effects? I can give a pretty good guess > at some of these answers. Is there anyone else out there who'd > like to sort it all out? Vince, we're mostly non-professional inquirers here. We've all stumbled on this colloidal silver stuff that, despite the hype and disinformation on both sides, seems to work, sometimes pretty remarkably. We're doing our best to separate fact from fiction and share what we've learned. The marketers have muddied the waters with hype and unfounded claims. On the other side are self appointed debunkers whose fear-mongering does not hold up under even minimal scrutiny. What's left is the accounts of the folks who have had CS work wonders for them. *That* is why I'm here, trying to help unravel the mess. There is no contemporary, organized body of scientific research on CS. The mainstream establishment has mostly ignored it as part of the "fringe", and sometimes has acted to suppress the information. There are a few tendrils of modern research that relate to what we know, but they're few and show no signs of being well funded or gaining any significant following in the scientific community. The bulk of the data we have is anecdotal testimony and some minimal experimental trials and analyses. Any insight you wish to share with us is welcome. Bear in mind that some of us have at least workable scientific and technical backgrounds, while others are not so trained. Many have a lot of experience with CS and other alternatives, and have seen what they will do. In any case, you'll recieve a respectful reception if you want to help us figure it all out. The long term goal is understanding, both scientific and clinical. Near term, we want to be sure the best information is availabe to those who need it. Be well, Mike Devour list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & antibiotics & ??????
>> There was some discussion of whether or not CS & antibiotics cancel each >other out. Did this question ever get answered definitively? >Shelly, > CS and antibiotics do not cancel each other out. This is definitive. >You can take it to the bank. >Vincent Gammill Sorry to prove you wrong but it "did" cancel out the effects of the antibotics in me and I had to quit taking the CS. The way that I know is the antibotics that I take give me energy and wake me up plus other things. With out them I sleep all the time. After about 2 weeks I started going down hill and the antibotics wasn't working any more. About 2-3 days after I stopped the CS they started working again. Some people haven't had problems with mixing the two and I think that it makes a difference in the type of antibotics that the person is taking. Myself I was on floxin and zithromax at the time. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & antibiotics & ??????
Shelley Charlesworth writes: > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS & antibiotics > Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 10:32 AM > > There was some discussion of whether or not CS & antibiotics cancel each other > out. Did this question ever get answered definitively? Shelly, CS and antibiotics do not cancel each other out. This is definitive. You can take it to the bank. I do have a question or two for all you shinolas out there in Listland. What is the usual metabolic fate of CS? How long does it last until it is oxidized to Ag+ ?? And then does it preferentially form an oxide (thereby making it an excellent redox catalyst), an ionic salt (e.g., to Cl-), a ligand, lock on to any endogenous chelating anions or diols &c., or is it simply snatched up by albumin or other protein? Or even by GSH (reduced glutathione)? How would it attack various microorganisms of interest--especially those that are cell wall deficient? What about the odd oxidation states of Tetrasil (+2 and +4) as the oxide and is it truly antiviral? Silver salts can be reduced into several allotropes. Is there a difference in physiological effects? I can give a pretty good guess at some of these answers. Is there anyone else out there who'd like to sort it all out? Vincent Gammill -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS & antibiotics
There was some discussion of whether or not CS & antibiotics cancel each other out. Did this question ever get answered definitively? Shelley -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
