Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined
That's assuming that the experiment didn't take transmission possibilities into account and isolate the experiment from the general population. What sort of idiot wouldn't do that? Silver is commonly used to sterilize surfaces and water supplies [NASA does that]. It's not at all difficult to prove that it works [or doesn't]. It's known and accepted by both the American EPA and the Canadian counterparts of the EPA that silver kills microbes quite effectively and is virtually non toxic to mammals. It's in their water quality standards reports. Almost any good reference book less than 40 years old mentions that quality. Why not air? [Hey, find out, right?] The problem is that people don't read their own 'bibles' and defer literacy to the programmed priesthood of the black or white world who can't [or won't] read with a discernment adequate to tell tons from micrograms. Well, maybe Holy water is good stuff...but it ain't the only water around. ken I'm talking about a high medical risk because it is not a certainty that this would not infect others. I'm not sure what you mean by the risk of being laughed at. But I can assure you that no one will be laughing if I present something they have no experience with and then tell them to nebulize it when they aren't nebulizing anything right now. If you're talking about being laughed at for the idea overall, yes, this would be a concern for two reasons. First, I'm trying to take advantage of the opening to introduce CS to conventional medicine. I want them to seriously consider the idea. Second, I am concerned about the reputation I've managed to cultivate in this group. It's not every day that a person who walks in the alternative medicine world is considered a peer by physicians and scientists. I'm not about to do anything to damage this. I'm playing by their rules and hopefully, I can get them to see the value of CS. Then THEY can figure out how to administer it (with a few subtle hints). Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined
Dear Ken, I said: Well, taking into consideration that they are still having workers contract SARS despite the fact they are being followed by teams of safety police, it would probably not be considered riskless to try this. So, the risk is in being laughed at? :-) I meant medical risk..but you knew that. ** I don't think I expressed myself well enough. It seems you are responding to something I didn't say. I'm talking about a high medical risk because it is not a certainty that this would not infect others. I'm not sure what you mean by the risk of being laughed at. But I can assure you that no one will be laughing if I present something they have no experience with and then tell them to nebulize it when they aren't nebulizing anything right now. If you're talking about being laughed at for the idea overall, yes, this would be a concern for two reasons. First, I'm trying to take advantage of the opening to introduce CS to conventional medicine. I want them to seriously consider the idea. Second, I am concerned about the reputation I've managed to cultivate in this group. It's not every day that a person who walks in the alternative medicine world is considered a peer by physicians and scientists. I'm not about to do anything to damage this. I'm playing by their rules and hopefully, I can get them to see the value of CS. Then THEY can figure out how to administer it (with a few subtle hints). Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well, for what it's worth, I have been flooding my system with CS and zapping for the last 5 days, and this monster will not die. I have drank, nebulized, gargled, and iv twice, and then used a godzilla. My hair finally stopped hurting today. We may be in for some trouble, unless someone here has a better protocol. Maybe someone here can explain the logistics of dmso and so on. I just assumed that CS with a drop of h202 3-4 sessions a day in a neb. would do it in, but it seems to have just offer temp. relief. On the other hand, it might buy some time, or provide extra kick for prescribed medicine. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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This is a sensible comment. There must be some way to rig up a device to filter the exhalation, sort a reverse gas-mask device to filter the exhalations rather than the inhalations. Should be big bucks, too, for anyone supplying such a device, which would be much cheaper than those negative-pressure chambers they have in some hospitals. Big bucks for some first-rate medical vendors here if CS is shown to have an effect. David Bearrow wrote: I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote: SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html | David Bearrow | | dav...@sbcglobal.net | + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Reid: I enjoyed your comments. I certainly agree. We know from personal research and personal experience that isolated silver is effective in-vivo against virii. The barrier doesn't seem to be the type, but rather, the location in the body and whether or not silver can be delivered to the infection site in great enough concentration, consistently, and for a long enough period of time to be effective. I have been following four recent cases of Hep C and three cases of HIV ( full blown AIDS ). The results, across the board, are very promising. The longest AIDS case I've followed has been a near-death scenario, with a complete restoration of health for a seven year period via colloidal silver use ( not an HIV negative, however ). I'm not certain I accept the reasoning that one should not nebulize for fear of spreading the infection. In a hospital setting, you don't not use silver via a nebulizer because you don't know if it works or not ( and simply stick to oral colloidal silver use ), you isolate the individual and take necessary precautions. If one knows they have this condition, then it is on the individual to be reasonably responsible with limitation of contact. If a person is not that responsible, then the philosophical point is irrelevant anyway. I never let academia get in the way of taking care of a condition with every possible method available. It might not work is not good enough for me. It never has been, and never will be. I would be more inclined to say that it might not work as well via oral use. This world is a very strange place. Do the needs of the many outway the needs of the few, or the one? Before people are allowed to make policy, or otherwise make decisions that can save or kill, I think this question should be accurately analyzed and answered. With Warm Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:34 PM Subject: Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined CSEnthusiasts, In discussing the risk of spreading SARS in exhaled droplets it would seem to me there is an issue as to whether or not the treatment is for prevention or for cure. For example, if we have a high degree of certainty that an individual does not have SARS then it would seem quite reasonable to be within their breething zone. And shouldn't we worry more that a person who may become infected through the droplets is someone who should be nebulizing, but may not be? As to the possibility that the virus may not be cleared up through the use of CS, if this were true would it not be a first? For what other virus has CS not indicated effective? My questions are just that, and not statements or any kind of challenge to what others are saying. Thanks to all for sharing knowledge in these worrisome times. Reid David Bearrow said: I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Jason, You said: I'm not certain I accept the reasoning that one should not nebulize for fear of spreading the infection. In a hospital setting, you don't not use silver via a nebulizer because you don't know if it works or not ( and simply stick to oral colloidal silver use ), you isolate the individual and take necessary precautions. The point is if they think nebulizing is dangerous under these conditions (and they do) then recommending nebulizing CS is going to be entirely rejected. I have one shot at this. I want to take my best shot. Trying to talk an entire profession out of what they consider to be safety precautions at a time when the majotiy of people with SARS in many hospitals are hospital workers would not be productive. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined
Wouldn't one be exhaling CS droplets along with the virus? I should think that anything that does come out would be quite dead. ken At 12:43 PM 4/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote: SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well, I can tell you that from current precautions being taken, anything that would aresolize in a SARS patient's room is being stopped. i.e. no hand washing inside the room. Holding to the theory that the virus is the cause, they are saying that it stays live on surfaces for 24 hours. Anything that aresolizes could conceivably contaminate every surface in a patient's room and increase the possibility of transmission to care givers. Even the other day orders came through on patients' charts not to do chest percussions or 'cupping' for chest physio. SARS makes for a dry cough but other types of pneumonia are not dry and require chest physio. Even now, we are double gowning, double gloving, double masking, full face shields, microsan hand wash between phases of removal of layer inside and outside the door. Patients are all in negative pressure rooms. Ian - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined I missed something though I thought I had been following this thread. Why is it not advisable to nebulize CS for SARS? paula -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Since CS is not an FDA recognized drug [except in the negative sense] you will not find any RX approved CS. But any CS is a billion times less risky to use in any way than having SARS...just use the best you can find or make. Generally speaking, what you make using basic protocals and care will be better than what you buy. Most commercial producers go for speed of production...not quality and most commercially available CS is actually MSP [mild silver protein] and sometimes made by a chemical precipitate method. Read the fine print. If the label says it may irritate eyes etc...if it says shake before using...it's probably not very good. Ken IV protocol, anyone? Amount, frequency? I should probably recommend the CS one can get by Rx only. That would make the mainstream docs feel good and safe I think. Thanks :-) Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Idea: Get the physician to make a culture from exhaled droplets before and after [during?] nebulizing with CS. A couple of breaths of CS vapor certainly won't hurt [or cure] anyone but should be quite revealing. It could turn out that running an ultrasonic humidifier with CS in it will completely protect anyone in the room...and maybe even cure the patient. You have desperation in your favor. In this case, there is very little risk and a possibility of major gain. IMO any physician that refuses to consider trying such a riskless experiment would be negligent. ken At 04:24 PM 4/25/2003 -0400, you wrote: Dear Laura, You said: Aren't there water molecules in regular exhalation? Maybe nebulizing with CS if the CS didn't kill it on contact would increase the risk of SARS transport in that local area, but there is a large risk-benefit ratio here, as I see it. ** Sure, there is some fluid in regular exhalations but there would be far more nebulizing anything. The purpose I'm asking the questions I am is because I have an opportunity to present alternative options to people treating people who have SARS . I have to be scientific in my presentation otherwise I'll lose them in the first three minutes. Right now, they are not nebulizing anything because of the higher risk of transmission. What has to be considered is the people giving the treatment and the air exchange system in the hospitals. What I'm after is any other way to get CS to the lungs - also, the efficacy of CS on small envelope proteins. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Since CS is not an FDA recognized drug [except in the negative sense] you will not find any RX approved CS. Oops - I mis-spoke. I meant pharmaceutical grade. Sorry for the confusion. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Ken, You said: You have desperation in your favor. ** True. THis is the only reason they are even willing to give me an audience. You said: In this case, there is very little risk and a possibility of major gain. IMO any physician that refuses to consider trying such a riskless experiment would be negligent. ** Well, taking into consideration that they are still having workers contract SARS despite the fact they are being followed by teams of safety police, it would probably not be considered riskless to try this. Do you know anything about IV administration of CS? Thanks, Ken. BTW, I'm enjoying using your generator. I appreciate the workmanship, detailed instructions, customer service, and of course, price. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Catherine: Of course I understand! I've been working on several very qualified infectious disease specialists now for quite some time. I had erronously assumed that the MD's were experienced in using colloidal silver. I also didn't want those on the street to be afraid of nebulizing. On more than one occasion I have been approached by those I know who work in hospital settings, who almost cannot bear NOT to take a few select substances into their hospital. I myself almost cannot bear to not walk in myself and lend assistance to ease needless suffering and failing treatment modalities. The conversation always goes like this: Would X work on this case of gangrene ( as an example )? We're going to have to take the leg! My response goes something like this: Yes it would. But you can't risk losing your license to practice. Get them out of the hospital, and it would be different. Not be to overly harsh on the medical establishment, I had the opportunity to follow a precident setting case of a failed surgical procedure where the bowels were nicked. The individual was sewn up, and within 24 hours displayed signs of SEVERE bloating. The surgeons went in and determined that the bowels were nicked and leaking, and they could not perform a surgical repair. This individual was going to die. They brought in a VAC wound care system. The dressing changes would take from 2 to 4 hours... Sometimes longer if they could not get a vaccum seal on the irregular wound. Every pad, seal, and dressing would have to be cut to dimensions. Once the vaccum seal had been successfully established, it could be left on for extended periods of time. If for whatever reason the seal was broken, the whole dressing would have to be redone. In such situations, antibiotics are useless. When fecal matter is leaking into the body, you cannot stop an infection. The VAC system successfully kept the wound isolated and sealed. The infection was eliminated. The abdominal area was kept free of fecal matter, and the nicks in the intestines healed. The individual walked out of that hospital. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:25 PM Subject: Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined Dear Jason, You said: I'm not certain I accept the reasoning that one should not nebulize for fear of spreading the infection. In a hospital setting, you don't not use silver via a nebulizer because you don't know if it works or not ( and simply stick to oral colloidal silver use ), you isolate the individual and take necessary precautions. The point is if they think nebulizing is dangerous under these conditions (and they do) then recommending nebulizing CS is going to be entirely rejected. I have one shot at this. I want to take my best shot. Trying to talk an entire profession out of what they consider to be safety precautions at a time when the majotiy of people with SARS in many hospitals are hospital workers would not be productive. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined
Catherine: RX grading is not determined by the FDA. It is determined by USP standards. There are currently no USP standards for isolated silver products. There are people working on establishing these standards, however. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 8:21 AM Subject: Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined Since CS is not an FDA recognized drug [except in the negative sense] you will not find any RX approved CS. Oops - I mis-spoke. I meant pharmaceutical grade. Sorry for the confusion. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Catherine, You mentioned the use of inhalers as being acceptable. Why not use an empty inhaler and fill it with CS. That way there won't be any excess droplets when the person exhales. Trem - Original Message - From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 11:25 PM Subject: Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined Dear Jason, You said: I'm not certain I accept the reasoning that one should not nebulize for fear of spreading the infection. In a hospital setting, you don't not use silver via a nebulizer because you don't know if it works or not ( and simply stick to oral colloidal silver use ), you isolate the individual and take necessary precautions. The point is if they think nebulizing is dangerous under these conditions (and they do) then recommending nebulizing CS is going to be entirely rejected. I have one shot at this. I want to take my best shot. Trying to talk an entire profession out of what they consider to be safety precautions at a time when the majotiy of people with SARS in many hospitals are hospital workers would not be productive. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Trem, You said: You mentioned the use of inhalers as being acceptable. Why not use an empty inhaler and fill it with CS. That way there won't be any excess droplets when the person exhales. I agree. This sounds like a way to go. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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You said: In this case, there is very little risk and a possibility of major gain. IMO any physician that refuses to consider trying such a riskless experiment would be negligent. ** Well, taking into consideration that they are still having workers contract SARS despite the fact they are being followed by teams of safety police, it would probably not be considered riskless to try this. ## So, the risk is in being laughed at? :-) I meant medical risk..but you knew that. Do you know anything about IV administration of CS? ### I believe that Nancy would be the one to ask...and has posted several items on the subject. I don't think it would be any different than using plain old distilled water in an IV, but I'm not a medico. I do know that the CS you and I make is no more irritating to the eyes than distilled water. [stings a little in the same way] Thanks, Ken. BTW, I'm enjoying using your generator. I appreciate the workmanship, detailed instructions, customer service, and of course, price. Thank YOU! Ken Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSA question for the scientifically inclined
Dear Scientifically Inclined List Mates ;-), Please search your brains. Did I see somewhere that CS works on small envelope proteins? If so, where did I see it? Dare I push this any further and ask about spike glycoproteins, and the nucleocapside proteins? Also, since nebulizing CS would not be advisable with SARS what would the options be to get CS to the lungs? Thanks in advance for all responses. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Catherine, Personally I think the statement made earlier by the authorities that nebulizing would increase the danger of disease spread. I guess the SARS people should stop breathing. When I nebulize I continue breathing or should I just stop?? :-) I don't want to contemplate the alternative! Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSA question for the scientifically inclined
Why wouldn't nebulizing with CS be OK? Each droplet of mist is saturated with CS. If it will kill the pathogen in the lungs it will kill it in the droplet in the air so any mist breathed out would be sterile. Or is this not the issue? you wrote: CSA question for the scientifically inclined From: C Creel (view other messages by this author) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:23:23 Dear Scientifically Inclined List Mates ;-), Please search your brains. Did I see somewhere that CS works on small envelope proteins? If so, where did I see it? Dare I push this any further and ask about spike glycoproteins, and the nucleocapside proteins? Also, since nebulizing CS would not be advisable with SARS what would the options be to get CS to the lungs? Thanks in advance for all responses. Regards, Catherine
Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined
I missed something though I thought I had been following this thread. Why is it not advisable to nebulize CS for SARS? paula - Original Message - From: C Creel ccr...@adelphia.net Also, since nebulizing CS would not be advisable with SARS what would the options be to get CS to the lungs? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Dave, You said: Why wouldn't nebulizing with CS be OK? Each droplet of mist is saturated with CS. If it will kill the pathogen in the lungs it will kill it in the droplet in the air so any mist breathed out would be sterile. Or is this not the issue? ** The problem is it is pure speculation. We can't yet say that CS works until it works. In the meantime, to nebulize could be spreading it. Currently, all breathing treatments are being done with inhalers for this reason. Regards, Catherine Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I've been sick with something for the last 3 days akin to the symptoms of sars, however, I'm assuming it's the flu or strep throat or such; anyway, when I nebulize CS, the symptoms subside, so much so that on the second day I felt good enough to lift weights, thinking I had kicked it, but the next day it is back with a vengeance. Just finished 2 sessions, along with 2 kinds of zappers, and the symptoms are diminished again, but not gone. At any rate, it's probably a good idea (for me) to self treat, and avoid places like hospitals and drs offices. I'm in Md. -no reported cases so far, that I know of. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I missed something though I thought I had been following this thread. Why is it not advisable to nebulize CS for SARS? Risk of spreading it further. C -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well, but I don't get that, why it would? I mean, the nebulizer I have is designed to be held with the lips around it just like an inhaler, one holds it there and breathes in through the mouth (closed around nebulizer tube) and out through the nose. Presumably the people getting meds via inhaler still breath out, etc, etc. I must be missing something about the particular type of nebulizing they are concerned about? In observing my mother use her inhaler meds, she, in fact, used to do a pretty good out breath after the large inhale required, so she would have been huffing those SARS germs out really well. paula - Original Message - Risk of spreading it further. C -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Paula, You said: Well, but I don't get that, why it would? I mean, the nebulizer I have is designed to be held with the lips around it just like an inhaler, one holds it there and breathes in through the mouth (closed around nebulizer tube) and out through the nose. Presumably the people getting meds via inhaler still breath out, etc, etc. I must be missing something about the particular type of nebulizing they are concerned about? In observing my mother use her inhaler meds, she, in fact, used to do a pretty good out breath after the large inhale required, so she would have been huffing those SARS germs out really well. SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Aren't there water molecules in regular exhalation? Maybe nebulizing with CS if the CS didn't kill it on contact would increase the risk of SARS transport in that local area, but there is a large risk-benefit ratio here, as I see it. The last place I would want to be if I suspected I had SARS would be a hospital emergency room. Laura In a message dated 4/25/03 10:33:47 AM Central Daylight Time, ccr...@adelphia.net writes: SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote: SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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OK, I think I've got it . If I don't yet have the virus, it's unsafe to inhale, but ok to exhale . If I've got the virus, it ok to inhale, but unsafe to exhale . H . I better work on this a bit more and get back to you . :-) - Original Message - From: David Bearrow dav...@sbcglobal.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. At 10:35 AM 4/25/03, you wrote: SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. +- Bentonite Clay for sale-+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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My guess is that we will never know if CS works against sars unless there is an extreme epidemic, because if you go and get a confirmation now, you will probably be quarantined, rather than let loose to go home and find out. ( Or, you might volunteer for your own safety.) But, only if it is a given that you, and those around you have it, and you are left to your own, as in house or neighborhood quarantine, will you get the opportunity to find out. Another reason is that, at the first sign of symptoms, those of us that can, will start treatment, and possibly knock it out before it gets started. I just went through 3 days of probable flu, and will never know for sure, although I strongly doubt it was sars. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear David, You said: I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. I'm talking about this for a very specific reason. I have the opportunity to introduce CS to physicians working directly with SARS cases. They are not nebulizing anything due to fears of spreading SARS more. I cannot appproach them with an unfamiliar treatment (CS) and then expect them to take this unfamiliar treatment and administer it in a way they have decided is to dangerous. The whole idea will be shot down and the opportunity to intoduce CS will be lost (this time). I don't want that to happen. A filter is an interesting idea but my concern is that each thing introduced to them that is unfamiliar will make them more unable to see the possibilities. I appreciate everyone's thoughts on this but please understand that I have to operate within some established parameters. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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At 01:56 PM 4/25/03, you wrote: I'm talking about this for a very specific reason. I have the opportunity to introduce CS to physicians working directly with SARS cases. They are not nebulizing anything due to fears of spreading SARS more. I cannot appproach them with an unfamiliar treatment (CS) and then expect them to take this unfamiliar treatment and administer it in a way they have decided is to dangerous. The whole idea will be shot down and the opportunity to intoduce CS will be lost (this time). I don't want that to happen. I understand your concern with attempting to introduce CS to physicians, however, the discussion brought confusion to some folks on the list who thought you were saying that they should not nebulize silver if they caught SARS. Most likely nebulizing CS will be beneficial to someone with SARS. The problem was not with this treatment but with getting a mainstream physician to accept this protocol. The only way we will ever know if nebulizing will help is if someone tries it. I'm not sure how to address your main concern which is to get the physician to consider using CS to treat SARS. There are many delivery methods you could use once you have the physician convinced to give it a trial, chief among them would be nebulizing and IV. But the trick is to convince him. Perhaps showing him the BYU study results might help. +-- Bentonite Clay for sale (50 lb bag) -+ http://pages.sbcglobal.net/davebe/clay.html ¦ David Bearrow ¦ ¦ dav...@sbcglobal.net ¦ + Phone: (972)722-8319 + -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear David, You said: I'm not sure how to address your main concern which is to get the physician to consider using CS to treat SARS. There are many delivery methods you could use once you have the physician convinced to give it a trial, chief among them would be nebulizing and IV. But the trick is to convince him. Perhaps showing him the BYU study results might help. **Yes, I will be presenting the work from BYU. Thank you for mentioning the IV protocol. I'm so microfocused on the lungs at this point (and exhausted) that I was only thinking about a direct delivery method to the lungs. Geeez...I think I need to take a breather and get my head back on straight. IV protocol, anyone? Amount, frequency? I should probably recommend the CS one can get by Rx only. That would make the mainstream docs feel good and safe I think. Thanks :-) Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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My guess is that we will never know if CS works against sars unless there is an extreme epidemic, because if you go and get a confirmation now, you will probably be quarantined, rather than let loose to go home and find out. ( Or, you might volunteer for your own safety.) ** We'll know if CS works if I can convince this group of physicians on Sunday to use it. I just went through 3 days of probable flu, and will never know for sure, although I strongly doubt it was sars. ** I'd be shocked if it was. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dear Laura, You said: Aren't there water molecules in regular exhalation? Maybe nebulizing with CS if the CS didn't kill it on contact would increase the risk of SARS transport in that local area, but there is a large risk-benefit ratio here, as I see it. ** Sure, there is some fluid in regular exhalations but there would be far more nebulizing anything. The purpose I'm asking the questions I am is because I have an opportunity to present alternative options to people treating people who have SARS . I have to be scientific in my presentation otherwise I'll lose them in the first three minutes. Right now, they are not nebulizing anything because of the higher risk of transmission. What has to be considered is the people giving the treatment and the air exchange system in the hospitals. What I'm after is any other way to get CS to the lungs - also, the efficacy of CS on small envelope proteins. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Bwahaha, Ed, let us all know when you come up with an answer how we can still breathe and avoid the virus! Actually I did think we all exhaled droplets with every breath, if we didn't it would mean our lungs were all dried out and we'd be dead. So far I just plan to keep spraying my eyes, face, and hands whenever I've been out around people. Been doing this for many weeks now, and it is keeping me from any colds, etc. so far. Its no trouble at all to carry a little 2 oz spray bottle of CS with me everywhere. I would sure hope someone is going to be able to test the SARS virus with CS at some point. Don't expect that to happen real soon, though. paula - Original Message - From: Ed Haskins e...@loxinfo.co.th OK, I think I've got it . If I don't yet have the virus, it's unsafe to inhale, but ok to exhale . If I've got the virus, it ok to inhale, but unsafe to exhale . H . I better work on this a bit more and get back to you . :-) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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CSEnthusiasts, In discussing the risk of spreading SARS in exhaled droplets it would seem to me there is an issue as to whether or not the treatment is for prevention or for cure. For example, if we have a high degree of certainty that an individual does not have SARS then it would seem quite reasonable to be within their breething zone. And shouldn't we worry more that a person who may become infected through the droplets is someone who should be nebulizing, but may not be? As to the possibility that the virus may not be cleared up through the use of CS, if this were true would it not be a first? For what other virus has CS not indicated effective? My questions are just that, and not statements or any kind of challenge to what others are saying. Thanks to all for sharing knowledge in these worrisome times. Reid David Bearrow said: I wouldn't think it to be unsafe to nebulize. Armed with this information we now know that one should nebulize alone so as to not increase the risk of infecting someone else. Or one could rig up a filter such as a tube with a CS soaked handkerchief rubber banded to the end to exhale through. Or a tube snaked out through the window to exhale through. There must be a way to reduce the risk of exhaling. But this fact that one exhales the virus shouldn't stop you from nebulizing. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
