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For what it's worth I've just received this message from my power provider re the smart meter they installed at my home in the middle of last year.I'm left wondering - is this information correct, can it be believed? Anyone care to comment?Cheers, Roger BNZDear Mr BarkerThank you for your call received 14 November 2011, in regards to the transmissions from your advanced meter.We have looked into this for you and are happy to confirm the below information.The stand alone modem for the advanced meter is used as a link between the meter and base server. This is done via the GSM/GPRS(Vodafone)network. The modem sends data to the network when the meter tells it to and receives data via the network from the base server.Transmission of data occurs once per day after midnight and before 6am for the duration of 20-30 seconds.From August 2010 this transmission will reduce to once every seven days. There are one-off cases where transmission may occur during the day for remote reconnections and remote disconnections. Otherwise the modem remains inactive.The GSM/GPRS stand alone modem used has been tested to the following New Zealand and European standards. It has received radio spectrum clearance (certification) for its communications equipment to be used in NZ.a. AS/NZS 60950.1:2003b. AS/NZS CISPR22:2006c. 3GPP TS 51.010-1 GCF-CC (V.3.23.1) R97/R98 and NAPRD.03 (V.3.8.1) R97/R98The maximum transmit power from GSM/GPRS stand alone modem are:EGSM 900 band: 2 WattsDCS 1800 band: 1 WattThese are inline with the required output levels of a cellphone used by public.We appreciate you taking the time to contact us, and hope the above information is helpful.
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Every model may be different. In the USA they talk about constant broadcasting, 24/7/365. PT From: Roger Barker [mailto:rbar...@clear.net.nz] Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:38 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter For what it's worth I've just received this message from my power provider re the smart meter they installed at my home in the middle of last year. I'm left wondering - is this information correct, can it be believed? Anyone care to comment? Cheers, Roger B NZ Dear Mr Barker Thank you for your call received 14 November 2011, in regards to the transmissions from your advanced meter. We have looked into this for you and are happy to confirm the below information. The stand alone modem for the advanced meter is used as a link between the meter and base server. This is done via the GSM/GPRS (Vodafone) network. The modem sends data to the network when the meter tells it to and receives data via the network from the base server. Transmission of data occurs once per day after midnight and before 6am for the duration of 20-30 seconds. From August 2010 this transmission will reduce to once every seven days. There are one-off cases where transmission may occur during the day for remote reconnections and remote disconnections. Otherwise the modem remains inactive. The GSM/GPRS stand alone modem used has been tested to the following New Zealand and European standards. It has received radio spectrum clearance (certification) for its communications equipment to be used in NZ. Description: Description: bullet a. AS/NZS 60950.1:2003 Description: Description: bullet b. AS/NZS CISPR22:2006 Description: Description: bullet c. 3GPP TS 51.010-1 GCF-CC (V.3.23.1) R97/R98 and NAPRD.03 (V.3.8.1) R97/R98 The maximum transmit power from GSM/GPRS stand alone modem are: Description: Description: bullet EGSM 900 band: 2 Watts Description: Description: bullet DCS 1800 band: 1 Watt These are inline with the required output levels of a cellphone used by public. We appreciate you taking the time to contact us, and hope the above information is helpful. image001.gif
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Roger, I think you can rest easy with this. The fact that they have sent you a letter with very specific information which includes the NZ emissions specification that it was tested to, and the frequency and duration of the outputs is very impressive. A legitimate business cannot send out a letter like this which is not factual. This is saying that, after August 2010, the transmissions are once a week between midnight and 6am for a duration of 20 to 30 seconds. There may be occasional transmission at other times for the (rare) event where it is necessary to disconnect and reconnect remotely. These outputs from the modem (short as they are) are on the same order of magnitude as a generic cellphone. This exposure seem extremely minimal. Dan On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Roger Barker rbar...@clear.net.nz wrote: For what it's worth I've just received this message from my power provider re the smart meter they installed at my home in the middle of last year. I'm left wondering - is this information correct, can it be believed? Anyone care to comment? Cheers, Roger B NZ Dear Mr Barker ** ** Thank you for your call received 14 November 2011, in regards to the transmissions from your advanced meter. ** ** We have looked into this for you and are happy to confirm the below information. The stand alone modem for the advanced meter is used as a link between the meter and base server. This is done via the GSM/GPRS (Vodafone)* *network. The modem sends data to the network when the meter tells it to and receives data via the network from the base server. Transmission of data occurs once per day after midnight and before 6am for the duration of 20-30 seconds. From August 2010 this transmission will reduce to once every seven days. There are one-off cases where transmission may occur during the day for remote reconnections and remote disconnections. Otherwise the modem remains inactive. The GSM/GPRS stand alone modem used has been tested to the following New Zealand and European standards. It has received radio spectrum clearance (certification) for its communications equipment to be used in NZ. [image: Description: Description: bullet] a. AS/NZS 60950.1:2003 [image: Description: Description: bullet] b. AS/NZS CISPR22:2006 [image: Description: Description: bullet] c. 3GPP TS 51.010-1 GCF-CC (V.3.23.1) R97/R98 and NAPRD.03 (V.3.8.1) R97/R98 The maximum transmit power from GSM/GPRS stand alone modem are: [image: Description: Description: bullet] EGSM 900 band: 2 Watts [image: Description: Description: bullet] DCS 1800 band: 1 Watt These are inline with the required output levels of a cellphone used by public. We appreciate you taking the time to contact us, and hope the above information is helpful. image001.gif
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Hi Dan, I'm thinking along these lines also but think I might just see about getting a test meter to keep an eye on the meter just to keep the power company honest :-) Cheers, Roger B NZ On 14/11/2011, at 11:16 AM, Dan Nave wrote: Roger, I think you can rest easy with this. The fact that they have sent you a letter with very specific information which includes the NZ emissions specification that it was tested to, and the frequency and duration of the outputs is very impressive. A legitimate business cannot send out a letter like this which is not factual. This is saying that, after August 2010, the transmissions are once a week between midnight and 6am for a duration of 20 to 30 seconds. There may be occasional transmission at other times for the (rare) event where it is necessary to disconnect and reconnect remotely. These outputs from the modem (short as they are) are on the same order of magnitude as a generic cellphone. This exposure seem extremely minimal. Dan On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Roger Barker rbar...@clear.net.nz wrote: For what it's worth I've just received this message from my power provider re the smart meter they installed at my home in the middle of last year. I'm left wondering - is this information correct, can it be believed? Anyone care to comment? Cheers, Roger B NZ Dear Mr Barker Thank you for your call received 14 November 2011, in regards to the transmissions from your advanced meter. We have looked into this for you and are happy to confirm the below information. The stand alone modem for the advanced meter is used as a link between the meter and base server. This is done via the GSM/GPRS (Vodafone) network. The modem sends data to the network when the meter tells it to and receives data via the network from the base server. Transmission of data occurs once per day after midnight and before 6am for the duration of 20-30 seconds. From August 2010 this transmission will reduce to once every seven days. There are one-off cases where transmission may occur during the day for remote reconnections and remote disconnections. Otherwise the modem remains inactive. The GSM/GPRS stand alone modem used has been tested to the following New Zealand and European standards. It has received radio spectrum clearance (certification) for its communications equipment to be used in NZ. image001.gif a. AS/NZS 60950.1:2003 image001.gif b. AS/NZS CISPR22:2006 image001.gif c. 3GPP TS 51.010-1 GCF-CC (V.3.23.1) R97/R98 and NAPRD.03 (V.3.8.1) R97/R98 The maximum transmit power from GSM/GPRS stand alone modem are: image001.gif EGSM 900 band: 2 Watts image001.gif DCS 1800 band: 1 Watt These are inline with the required output levels of a cellphone used by public. We appreciate you taking the time to contact us, and hope the above information is helpful.
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Not really Pat - because if you suffer ill effects from it you would have no idea why would go get some treatment for these strange symptoms via your doc and on on - whereas knowing this potential danger you can stop or reduce the radiation emissions and eliminate the symptoms? hugs Jane - Original Message - From: Pat I wish I didn't feel I have to know about so many things! I remember when the power company told me they were installing a new meter so they could read it from the road, I was happy that they wouldn't risk upsetting my dog and possibly letting her out. I never considered any health effects. Sometimes ignorance is bliss!!?? Pat
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If someone is beaming me and my Family with harmful radiation, I believe I should have a Right to know. and as most people work very hard for there homes and pay taxes, I see this as a direct violation of our rights not to be given an option ..There is options that power companies can give us, they should respect their customers and give the people the existing option of a wired meter, but I think they like to keep quiet about that as it would cost them a little more money...Once every one catches wind of that every one would want one of those... On 11/12/2011 12:24 AM, Jane MacRoss wrote: Not really Pat - because if you suffer ill effects from it you would have no idea why would go get some treatment for these strange symptoms via your doc and on on - whereas knowing this potential danger you can stop or reduce the radiation emissions and eliminate the symptoms? hugs Jane - Original Message - *From:* Pat mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com I wish I didn't feel I have to know about so many things! I remember when the power company told me they were installing a new meter so they could read it from the road, I was happy that they wouldn't risk upsetting my dog and possibly letting her out. I never considered any health effects. Sometimes ignorance is bliss!!?? Pat
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I wish I didn't feel I have to know about so many things! I remember when the power company told me they were installing a new meter so they could read it from the road, I was happy that they wouldn't risk upsetting my dog and possibly letting her out. I never considered any health effects. Sometimes ignorance is bliss!!?? Pat From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 6:15 PM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Mike W-H wrote: imagine if they put a wireless meter inside an analog meter, most customers would never know That sort of thing is why I don't bother to get upset anymore. I figure they are going to get me one way or the other, and ultimately they will either kill me with their devices or with the stress of trying to avoid them killing me with their devices. I'm just as dead either way..and I'm old enough that I'm about out of here anyway so choose just to not worry about it as much as possible. I control what I can, and don't fight what I can't. head in the sand, sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I have this EMF app on my iphone http://www.appstorehq.com/emfdetector-iphone-52737/app and also http://www.mbtheme.com/WebApp/Tools-Utilities/201011/EMF-Meter_65840-65840.html it seems to work okand it uses all 3 axis ... it may not have the response and granularity and frequency range like dedicated meters but it does work quite well especially for a dollar. it picks up my laptops wifi traffic easily i also found this one .. it seems gimmicky http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/paranormal-state-emf-meter/id301915840?mt=8 From: Mike W-H Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 11:58 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Hi roger, No problem, Your best bet would be to phone the guy at lessemf.com and talk to him... Mike On 11/5/2011 1:04 PM, Roger Barker wrote: Thanks for the site Mike. I see from a recent post (see below) that one would need a meter capable of reading ELF. This site has a large range of meters and which I find somewhat confusing. Any idea which meter would be the right one for our purpose? Cheers, Roger B Utilizing an advanced ElectroSmog Electropollution Detector from Germany HF 35C 800 MHz – 2500 MHz, the Smart Meter from SDGE placed on my home without notice Nov 2010 was tested last week. Sempra Utilities SDGE’s Smart Meter produced a burst of ELF microwave radiation 1000s more powerful than a cell phone call at greater than 2000 uW/meter squared power levels every 5 to 15 seconds throughout the day and night. This meter is 10 feet from my studio broadcast desk. Testing beside my wife’s side of our bed, Friday August 26th 2011, pointed 20 yards to our neighbors garage mounted SDGE meter, every 2 to 5 seconds a burst of ELF microwave radiation was detected over limit 2000+ uWatts of power per square meter. On 4/11/2011, at 11:01 PM, Mike W-H wrote: the real way to do it would be to have a radiation meter, check out lessemf.com
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Maybe someone smart could like gather all the app data from people with such an app (at least those who opt in to share their info) and then plot data about the whole countries exposure. Then maybe correlate with various diseases by geography. David On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.comwrote: ** I have this EMF app on my iphone http://www.appstorehq.com/emfdetector-iphone-52737/app and also http://www.mbtheme.com/WebApp/Tools-Utilities/201011/EMF-Meter_65840-65840.html it seems to work okand it uses all 3 axis ... it may not have the response and granularity and frequency range like dedicated meters but it does work quite well especially for a dollar. it picks up my laptops wifi traffic easily i also found this one .. it seems gimmicky http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/paranormal-state-emf-meter/id301915840?mt=8 *From:* Mike W-H th...@telus.net *Sent:* Saturday, November 05, 2011 11:58 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSSmart Meter Hi roger, No problem, Your best bet would be to phone the guy at lessemf.com and talk to him... Mike On 11/5/2011 1:04 PM, Roger Barker wrote: Thanks for the site Mike. I see from a recent post (see below) that one would need a meter capable of reading ELF. This site has a large range of meters and which I find somewhat confusing. Any idea which meter would be the right one for our purpose? Cheers, Roger B Utilizing an advanced ElectroSmog Electropollution Detector from Germany HF 35C 800 MHz – 2500 MHz, the Smart Meter from SDGE placed on my home without notice Nov 2010 was tested last week. Sempra Utilities SDGE’s Smart Meter produced *a burst of ELF microwave radiation 1000s more powerful than a cell phone call* at greater than 2000 uW/meter squared power levels every 5 to 15 seconds throughout the day and night. This meter is 10 feet from my studio broadcast desk. Testing beside my wife’s side of our bed, Friday August 26th 2011, pointed 20 yards to our neighbors garage mounted SDGE meter, every 2 to 5 seconds a burst of ELF microwave radiation was detected over limit 2000+ uWatts of power per square meter. On 4/11/2011, at 11:01 PM, Mike W-H wrote: the real way to do it would be to have a radiation meter, check out lessemf.com
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Thanks for the site Mike. I see from a recent post (see below) that one would need a meter capable of reading ELF. This site has a large range of meters and which I find somewhat confusing. Any idea which meter would be the right one for our purpose? Cheers, Roger B Utilizing an advanced ElectroSmog Electropollution Detector from Germany HF 35C 800 MHz – 2500 MHz, the Smart Meter from SDGE placed on my home without notice Nov 2010 was tested last week. Sempra Utilities SDGE’s Smart Meter produced a burst of ELF microwave radiation 1000s more powerful than a cell phone call at greater than 2000 uW/meter squared power levels every 5 to 15 seconds throughout the day and night. This meter is 10 feet from my studio broadcast desk. Testing beside my wife’s side of our bed, Friday August 26th 2011, pointed 20 yards to our neighbors garage mounted SDGE meter, every 2 to 5 seconds a burst of ELF microwave radiation was detected over limit 2000+ uWatts of power per square meter. On 4/11/2011, at 11:01 PM, Mike W-H wrote: the real way to do it would be to have a radiation meter, check out lessemf.com
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Thanks for this suggestion Dan - I'll be seeing what I can do along these lines. Cheers, Roger B NZ On 5/11/2011, at 1:20 AM, Dan Nave wrote: Any conductive metallic foil or screen who's openings aren't too big (window screen is OK) should stop much of the radiation. It should cover a large enough area to block the radiation. It must be grounded (meaning connected with something conductive which is attached to a 'ground' potential). Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Dude...someone should make a phone app to measure EMFs, etc.
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Hi roger, No problem, Your best bet would be to phone the guy at lessemf.com and talk to him... Mike On 11/5/2011 1:04 PM, Roger Barker wrote: Thanks for the site Mike. I see from a recent post (see below) that one would need a meter capable of reading ELF. This site has a large range of meters and which I find somewhat confusing. Any idea which meter would be the right one for our purpose? Cheers, Roger B Utilizing an advanced ElectroSmog Electropollution Detector from Germany HF 35C 800 MHz – 2500 MHz, the Smart Meter from SDGE placed on my home without notice Nov 2010 was tested last week. Sempra Utilities SDGE’s Smart Meter produced *a burst of ELF microwave radiation 1000s more powerful than a cell phone call* at greater than 2000 uW/meter squared power levels every 5 to 15 seconds throughout the day and night. This meter is 10 feet from my studio broadcast desk. Testing beside my wife’s side of our bed, Friday August 26th 2011, pointed 20 yards to our neighbors garage mounted SDGE meter, every 2 to 5 seconds a burst of ELF microwave radiation was detected over limit 2000+ uWatts of power per square meter. On 4/11/2011, at 11:01 PM, Mike W-H wrote: the real way to do it would be to have a radiation meter, check out lessemf.com http://lessemf.com
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Cool , that would be a great idea, I'm sure they could easily do this :) On 11/5/2011 1:49 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: Dude...someone should make a phone app to measure EMFs, etc. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I looked everywhere for that aluminium foil post - never found it again (where was it!!) anyway it was sugggested aluminium mesh which would be much heavier - no one seems to know if it would work or not tho, the orgonite people seem to think orgonite would do the trick - anyone else have any suggestions? Jane ___ From: Roger Barker rbar...@clear.net.nz I'm trying to find something that could be fixed to the inside wall of our home behind the meter to stop these microwaves. It has been suggested aluminium foil could be used but does anyone know if this would really do the job? Cheers, Roger B NZ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I've read that 7 layers of aluminum foil might work, but don't know for sure. Sharlene On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.netwrote: I looked everywhere for that aluminium foil post - never found it again (where was it!!) anyway it was sugggested aluminium mesh which would be much heavier - no one seems to know if it would work or not tho, the orgonite people seem to think orgonite would do the trick - anyone else have any suggestions? Jane ___ From: Roger Barker rbar...@clear.net.nz I'm trying to find something that could be fixed to the inside wall of our home behind the meter to stop these microwaves. It has been suggested aluminium foil could be used but does anyone know if this would really do the job? Cheers, Roger B NZ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.com silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/** maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-list@**eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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the real way to do it would be to have a radiation meter, check out lessemf.com On 11/4/2011 1:20 AM, Shar wrote: I've read that 7 layers of aluminum foil might work, but don't know for sure. Sharlene On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:08 PM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net mailto:highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: I looked everywhere for that aluminium foil post - never found it again (where was it!!) anyway it was sugggested aluminium mesh which would be much heavier - no one seems to know if it would work or not tho, the orgonite people seem to think orgonite would do the trick - anyone else have any suggestions? Jane ___ From: Roger Barker rbar...@clear.net.nz mailto:rbar...@clear.net.nz I'm trying to find something that could be fixed to the inside wall of our home behind the meter to stop these microwaves. It has been suggested aluminium foil could be used but does anyone know if this would really do the job? Cheers, Roger B NZ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Any conductive metallic foil or screen who's openings aren't too big (window screen is OK) should stop much of the radiation. It should cover a large enough area to block the radiation. It must be grounded (meaning connected with something conductive which is attached to a 'ground' potential). Dan On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Roger Barker rbar...@clear.net.nz wrote: I'm trying to find something that could be fixed to the inside wall of our home behind the meter to stop these microwaves. It has been suggested aluminium foil could be used but does anyone know if this would really do the job? Cheers, Roger B NZ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I'm trying to find something that could be fixed to the inside wall of our home behind the meter to stop these microwaves. It has been suggested aluminium foil could be used but does anyone know if this would really do the job? Cheers, Roger B NZ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Joshua Hart, StopSmartMeters.Org Tuesday, November 1st 2011 i...@stopsmartmeters.org PGE BEGINS REMOVING 'SMART' METERS DUE TO HEALTH EFFECTS Widening Call for Immediate Return of Analogs; Disconnection of Mesh Wireless Network SANTA CRUZ, CA.---Just as PGE enters the final phase of its deployment of wireless smart meters in California, the largest of the state's Investor Owned Utilities (IOU's) has reversed course, quietly beginning to replace the 'smart' meters of those reporting health impacts with the old trusty analog version. Consumer rights and health groups immediately seized on the news, demanding that millions of Californians unhappy with their new wireless meters get their analogs returned immediately at no cost. 'Smart' meters are new wireless utility meters being installed as part of the smart grid initiative, spearheaded by technology firms and backed by the Obama administration and the Department of Energy. Promises ranging from lower utility bills to enhanced renewable generation capacity have failed to materialize, with widespread reports of higher bills, privacy violations, fires and explosions, and commonly reported health impacts such as headaches, nausea, tinnitus, and heart problems associated with powerful wireless transmissions. Widely disparate political groups- from members of the Green Party to the Tea Party and Occupy protesters have attacked the program, and dozens of grassroots organizations have sprouted up over the past several months to fight what they call an undemocratic, unconstitutional and dangerous assault on people in their own homes and neighborhoods. Dozens of people have been detained or arrested for peaceful civil disobedience and even simply speaking out against deployments.[1] Read Less http://stevebeckow.com/# In California, more than 47 cities and counties have demanded a halt to installation, and a dozen local governments have passed laws prohibiting the controversial technology. [2] The 'smart' meter issue has further angered a public already seething at the utilities over repeated gas explosions, safety breaches at nuclear reactors, and an increasingly extortionate rate structure. Word of California's 'smart' meter nightmare has spread across the country and around the world, prompting some utilities to place smart meter plans on hold, and recently Nevada's PUC to call for investigations into the health effects and other smart meter problems.[3] Now in a dramatic turnaround that could signal the beginning of a widespread recall of wireless 'smart' meters, on October 28th PGE re-installed a classic spinning disc analog meter on the home of Santa Cruz, CA resident Caitlin Phillips, who had been suffering headaches and other symptoms from her 'smart' meter. The move comes in response to verbal directives from the California Public Utilities Commission President Michael Peevey, who recently told members of the public that the utility will provide for you to go back to the analog meter if that's your choice. The CPUC has been slow to respond to thousands of ordinary citizens reporting health effects from the new meters. When a Wellington Energy installer (contracted with PGE) came to install a smart meter at her home, Caitlin asked the installer to get off her property and not install, because of what a neighbor had told her about possible health damage and privacy violations. When I returned home later, I discovered a smart meter on my house. That night I awoke to severe anxiety, headache, and buzzing in my teeth, and realized the new smart meter was on the other side of the wall from my bed. Caitlin reported her experience to PGE and the CPUC, who both declined to rectify the situation. When the symptoms persisted, Caitlin sought the assistance of the Scotts Valley based group Stop Smart Meters! who provided an analog meter and referred her to a professional who could help her remove her 'smart' meter. As soon as the analog was installed, Caitlin's symptoms disappeared. Frustrated and outraged about her treatment by the utility and the PUC, Caitlin travelled to San Francisco to speak at a commission meeting on Oct. 20th. About a week later, PGE crews were at her house replacing her temporary analog meter with a brand new official PGE analog meter. This is believed to be the first time PGE have willingly replaced an analog meter on the home of someone suffering from health effects.[4] An opt-out proceeding overseen by an Administrative Law Judge is underway at the CA Public Utilities Commission, yet those suffering (in some cases severe) health impacts have been stuck in limbo as utilities refuse to remove the harmful meters upon request- until now. There are hundreds of thousands- if not millions- of people suffering in their homes from forced
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Great news. Hopefully they replace with mostly analog and not the other type.
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imagine if they put a wireless meter inside an analog meter, most customers would never know On 11/2/2011 1:55 PM, David AuBuchon wrote: Great news. Hopefully they replace with mostly analog and not the other type. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike W-H wrote: imagine if they put a wireless meter inside an analog meter, most customers would never know That sort of thing is why I don't bother to get upset anymore. I figure they are going to get me one way or the other, and ultimately they will either kill me with their devices or with the stress of trying to avoid them killing me with their devices. I'm just as dead either way..and I'm old enough that I'm about out of here anyway so choose just to not worry about it as much as possible. I control what I can, and don't fight what I can't. head in the sand, sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Very Good Marshall - the only way to get things done appears to make alot of noise and then stand by and allow the tide to shift - this is taking responsibility back from those to whom we unwittingly gave it away in the first place - just like the Occupy all over has, and will achieve I hope Take good care Sandee Attitude is everything !! 60-Year-Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals Free Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4eb1c2474419d12b0909st02vuc
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Years ago when we had a microwave oven I remember calling an electrician to replace a sensor. Once he'd finished the job be checked the oven for leakage with a special meter. I'm just wondering if one of these meters could be used to check microwave output from a smart meter and/or leakage passed a shield. Cheers, Roger B NZ On 3/11/2011, at 10:24 AM, Mike W-H wrote: imagine if they put a wireless meter inside an analog meter, most customers would never know -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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well you could have the meter tested so you have to be very watchful.. They should honour there word... I'd have it tested after anyways... I think people really have to take a stand and make some noise, i'm sure there is enough people out there who are against this and if they all stood they might make a difference and bring back some freedom of choice wich we all deserve best wishes to all God bless On 11/2/2011 3:15 PM, sol wrote: Mike W-H wrote: imagine if they put a wireless meter inside an analog meter, most customers would never know That sort of thing is why I don't bother to get upset anymore. I figure they are going to get me one way or the other, and ultimately they will either kill me with their devices or with the stress of trying to avoid them killing me with their devices. I'm just as dead either way..and I'm old enough that I'm about out of here anyway so choose just to not worry about it as much as possible. I control what I can, and don't fight what I can't. head in the sand, sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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If Obamacare ever gets repealed on account of the fact that it forces people to buy a product they don't want, that could set precedence, since paying to opt out of smart meters is also essentially forcing people to buy a product. David
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I always make judgement in my decisions. and people should have the god given right to choose when it comes to there health and not have someone stuff something down there throat and tell them that it is good for them.. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:16 PM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info That may be so, but you don't appear to be the one who could make a judgement about it... Dan On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Mike W-H th...@telus.net wrote: No amount of exposure is a good amount of exposure of this crap... sorry i don't buy it.. the exposure so called safe limits, who is claiming it is safe? Should you trust them? I don't...are they health professionals?? NO!! So who are they to say what is safe Why take the risk Should we wait for the bodies to pile up before we determine that yes they are unsafe? - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info Found some useful info at this link. Below the part I attached is also a list of links that may be relevant. Dan http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml At what frequency does the smart meter operate and will it interfere with other wireless devices in my home? Smart meters run on two frequencies. The frequency communicating to the electric meter is 900 MHz (megahertz). If the premise also has a gas meter, the frequency from the electric meter to the gas meter is 2.4 GHz (gigahertz). The electric meter frequency is similar to a cell phone and the gas meter frequency is similar to a computer router. Neither device will interfere with any wireless devices in the home. Have the health effects of radiofrequency (RF) emitted from Smart Meters been assessed? The technology being used in the Smart meter system RF exposures from Smart meters and other devices used in the system are far below the FCC exposure guidelines. The FCC's guidelines for human exposure to RF electromagnetic fields were adopted from limits recommended by the U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements and the C95.1-1992 guidelines developed by the American National Standards Institute and Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. Learn more about Smart meter RF exposure and concerns about effects on public health: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Amen. - Original Message - From: Mike W-H th...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:31 AM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info I always make judgement in my decisions. and people should have the god given right to choose when it comes to there health and not have someone stuff something down there throat and tell them that it is good for them.. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:16 PM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info That may be so, but you don't appear to be the one who could make a judgement about it... Dan On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Mike W-H th...@telus.net wrote: No amount of exposure is a good amount of exposure of this crap... sorry i don't buy it.. the exposure so called safe limits, who is claiming it is safe? Should you trust them? I don't...are they health professionals?? NO!! So who are they to say what is safe Why take the risk Should we wait for the bodies to pile up before we determine that yes they are unsafe? - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info Found some useful info at this link. Below the part I attached is also a list of links that may be relevant. Dan http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml At what frequency does the smart meter operate and will it interfere with other wireless devices in my home? Smart meters run on two frequencies. The frequency communicating to the electric meter is 900 MHz (megahertz). If the premise also has a gas meter, the frequency from the electric meter to the gas meter is 2.4 GHz (gigahertz). The electric meter frequency is similar to a cell phone and the gas meter frequency is similar to a computer router. Neither device will interfere with any wireless devices in the home. Have the health effects of radiofrequency (RF) emitted from Smart Meters been assessed? The technology being used in the Smart meter system RF exposures from Smart meters and other devices used in the system are far below the FCC exposure guidelines. The FCC's guidelines for human exposure to RF electromagnetic fields were adopted from limits recommended by the U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements and the C95.1-1992 guidelines developed by the American National Standards Institute and Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. Learn more about Smart meter RF exposure and concerns about effects on public health: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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The point is that you certainly are able to have an emotional response, but if you are not willing to look at the facts of what you are actually dealing with then you will not be able to move beyond an emotional response. Dan On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Mike W-H th...@telus.net wrote: I always make judgement in my decisions. and people should have the god given right to choose when it comes to there health and not have someone stuff something down there throat and tell them that it is good for them.. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:16 PM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info That may be so, but you don't appear to be the one who could make a judgement about it... Dan On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Mike W-H th...@telus.net wrote: No amount of exposure is a good amount of exposure of this crap... sorry i don't buy it.. the exposure so called safe limits, who is claiming it is safe? Should you trust them? I don't...are they health professionals?? NO!! So who are they to say what is safe Why take the risk Should we wait for the bodies to pile up before we determine that yes they are unsafe? - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info Found some useful info at this link. Below the part I attached is also a list of links that may be relevant. Dan http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml At what frequency does the smart meter operate and will it interfere with other wireless devices in my home? Smart meters run on two frequencies. The frequency communicating to the electric meter is 900 MHz (megahertz). If the premise also has a gas meter, the frequency from the electric meter to the gas meter is 2.4 GHz (gigahertz). The electric meter frequency is similar to a cell phone and the gas meter frequency is similar to a computer router. Neither device will interfere with any wireless devices in the home. Have the health effects of radiofrequency (RF) emitted from Smart Meters been assessed? The technology being used in the Smart meter system RF exposures from Smart meters and other devices used in the system are far below the FCC exposure guidelines. The FCC's guidelines for human exposure to RF electromagnetic fields were adopted from limits recommended by the U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements and the C95.1-1992 guidelines developed by the American National Standards Institute and Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. Learn more about Smart meter RF exposure and concerns about effects on public health: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I am not sure they would tell you anything. My K2, which is similar goes off scale near even the analog ones. Marshall On 10/23/2011 11:23 PM, Dan Nave wrote: I don't know. You could read up on it or just try it. Dan On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Craig Chamberlin craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com wrote: Hi Dan, Would a tri-field meter be able to pick up these emissions? I have one, but need to buy a nine volt battery for it, as I am out, *sigh*. Thanks, Craig Dan Nave wrote: Found some useful info at this link. Below the part I attached is also a list of links that may be relevant. Dan http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I have a Multidetector II Profi High Sensitive Electrosmog-Analyser It has EMF scales from 1 MV/Meter to 1000 MV/Meter and frequency bands for below 500 Hertz and also above 500 hertz. It goes off scale on about half the ranges most anywhere in my house. Of course it's seeing the fields from the house wiring and there's no way to see microwave energy from the Power meter. It's all the same. Go figger. Trem - Original Message - From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:31 AM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info I am not sure they would tell you anything. My K2, which is similar goes off scale near even the analog ones. Marshall On 10/23/2011 11:23 PM, Dan Nave wrote: I don't know. You could read up on it or just try it. Dan On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Craig Chamberlin craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com wrote: Hi Dan, Would a tri-field meter be able to pick up these emissions? I have one, but need to buy a nine volt battery for it, as I am out, *sigh*. Thanks, Craig Dan Nave wrote: Found some useful info at this link. Below the part I attached is also a list of links that may be relevant. Dan http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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You should watch the movie Full Signal , to get better educated on the subject Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoDUCryS6LY Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYBtxjJbmDsfeature=related Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzxp1CCtILofeature=related Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMI8RCKUHE4feature=related Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ8F81tJwywfeature=related there is qualified people on this movie that you should listen to, then you will know what you are dealing with and you might just have an emotional response when you see that someone is violating your rights, my point is that these meters are not optional, when there is other alternatives they can use such as wired meters using telephone lines, they can give customers an option but don't,,, NOT FAIR, but life never is sometimes, people should have the right to choose i believe in my humble opinion... If I came into your house everday and sprayed rat poison, Just a little bit into your water every day and told you it is not proven, that in those small quantities that it would harm you and that you would need to hear from a qualified individual that it is perfectly safe , would you wait to hear from that person, then go to bed at night feeling much better? there is evidence to prove that RF is not good for humans...Physicists will tell you otherwise, What long term tests have they don't on this technology before launching this on people? NONE I don't like being a guinea pig, forgive me for having an emotional response. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:33 AM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info The point is that you certainly are able to have an emotional response, but if you are not willing to look at the facts of what you are actually dealing with then you will not be able to move beyond an emotional response. Dan On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Mike W-H th...@telus.net wrote: I always make judgement in my decisions. and people should have the god given right to choose when it comes to there health and not have someone stuff something down there throat and tell them that it is good for them.. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:16 PM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info That may be so, but you don't appear to be the one who could make a judgement about it... Dan On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Mike W-H th...@telus.net wrote: No amount of exposure is a good amount of exposure of this crap... sorry i don't buy it.. the exposure so called safe limits, who is claiming it is safe? Should you trust them? I don't...are they health professionals?? NO!! So who are they to say what is safe Why take the risk Should we wait for the bodies to pile up before we determine that yes they are unsafe? - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info Found some useful info at this link. Below the part I attached is also a list of links that may be relevant. Dan http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml At what frequency does the smart meter operate and will it interfere with other wireless devices in my home? Smart meters run on two frequencies. The frequency communicating to the electric meter is 900 MHz (megahertz). If the premise also has a gas meter, the frequency from the electric meter to the gas meter is 2.4 GHz (gigahertz). The electric meter frequency is similar to a cell phone and the gas meter frequency is similar to a computer router. Neither device will interfere with any wireless devices in the home. Have the health effects of radiofrequency (RF) emitted from Smart Meters been assessed? The technology being used in the Smart meter system RF exposures from Smart meters and other devices used in the system are far below the FCC exposure guidelines. The FCC's guidelines for human exposure to RF electromagnetic fields were adopted from limits recommended by the U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements and the C95.1-1992 guidelines developed by the American National Standards Institute and Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. Learn more about Smart meter RF exposure and concerns about effects on public health: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Thankyou jane, In my opinion this is a criminal act exposing people to this, and if this technology is potentially harmful wich it is, why won't they give people insurance against this technology? I was told that if i refuse a smart meter, they will cut the power off to my house.. Now that is what you call respecting peoples rights...or should i say ,,WHAT RIGHTS? Mike - Original Message - From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:52 AM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info Of course you can make an assessment Mike, you and everyone else - either by your own sensitivity experience or by the myriad records of the negative impact these meters have had recorded by the many people who have not been able to avoid having them installed Jane From: Mike W-H th...@telus.net I always make judgement in my decisions. and people should have the god given right to choose when it comes to there health and not have someone stuff something down there throat and tell them that it is good for them.. From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com That may be so, but you don't appear to be the one who could make a judgement about it... -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ambient Microwave Radiation From Wireless Technologies Linked to Higher Residential Electricity Cost _http://electromagnetichealth.org/media-stories/#Ambient-Microwave_ (http://electromagnetichealth.org/media-stories/#Ambient-Microwave) High Frequencies from Neighborhood Cell Phone Antennas Found to Speed Up Utility Meters, Increasing Bills Might you be paying for electricity you did not use? A couple in upstate New York noticed their electricity bill had almost doubled, even though the rates had not increased and their utility usage had not changed. The utility company said they could not explain what had happened. The couple was aware a cell phone tower had been erected near their home and every time they added new antennas, their electricity bill increased. This couple contacted Dr. Magda Havas of Trent University in Canada, who investigated their situation. Dr. Havas reviewed four years of the couple’ s utility bills and discovered the utility bills had increased dramatically when the antennas went online. She measured high levels of microwave radiation in the home as well as dirty electricity, or high frequency transients, on the electrical wiring. When RF chokes were placed near the hour-watt meter the cost of monthly bills decreased substantially… almost to pre-tower levels. After installing a $10 choke, this couple saved almost $1000 annually on electricity. The explanation is simple. Mechanical hour-watt meters can give inaccurate readings if frequencies higher than 60 Hz (cycles per second) are present on the wiring. The utilities know this and they have technology to keep the electrical power operating at a pure 60 Hz. However, when higher frequencies are loaded onto the line, these frequencies make the hour-watt meters spin faster, giving the appearance that more electricity is being consumed. These false readings are costing American families hundreds to thousands of dollars each year. If your electricity bills are increasing without any obvious explanation and if you go on vacation and are using minimal power but your electricity bill is still high you may want to investigate this situation. You may be paying for power you are not consuming. This case study suggests that further analysis of electrical utility bills pre- and post-erection of a cell phone tower is warranted in cases where utility bills in homes and offices have increased without explanation. Credentialed journalists interested in pursuing a story on the impact of ambient RF on utility meter readings may contact Dr. Magda Havas at HYPERLINK **mailto:mha...@trentu.ca** _mhavas@trentu.ca_ (mailto:mha...@trentu.ca) . - Original Message - From: Mike W-H th...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 12:21 PM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info You should watch the movie Full Signal , to get better educated on the subject Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoDUCryS6LY Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYBtxjJbmDsfeature=related Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzxp1CCtILofeature=related Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMI8RCKUHE4feature=related Part 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ8F81tJwywfeature=related there is qualified people on this movie that you should listen to, then you will know what you are dealing with and you might just have an emotional response when you see that someone is violating your rights, my point is that these meters are not optional, when there is other alternatives they can use such as wired meters using telephone lines, they can give customers an option but don't,,, NOT FAIR, but life never is sometimes, people should have the right to choose i believe in my humble opinion... If I came into your house everday and sprayed rat poison, Just a little bit into your water every day and told you it is not proven, that in those small quantities that it would harm you and that you would need to hear from a qualified individual that it is perfectly safe , would you wait to hear from that person, then go to bed at night feeling much better? there is evidence to prove that RF is not good for humans...Physicists will tell you otherwise, What long term tests have they don't on this technology before launching this on people? NONE I don't like being a guinea pig, forgive me for having an emotional response. - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:33 AM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info The point is that you certainly are able to have an emotional response, but if you are not willing to look at the facts of what you are actually dealing with then you will not be able to move beyond an emotional response. Dan On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Mike W-H th...@telus.net wrote: I always make judgement in my decisions. and people should have
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Why not contact the people doing it? http://www.weathermodification.com/cloud-seeding-ground.php - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:27 PM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail I was thinking about a way to revolt against chemtrails too People take photos of the chemtrails. Then they map it on a map, and draw a line extending the path. Then there is this website were everyone can post their lines, and you can see a map of off the lines put together. Maybe some pattern will emerge showing the source of the airplanes. Also could show where all the airports are, and see how implausible it is that they could be coming from those airports. David
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No amount of exposure is a good amount of exposure of this crap... sorry i don't buy it.. the exposure so called safe limits, who is claiming it is safe? Should you trust them? I don't...are they health professionals?? NO!! So who are they to say what is safe Why take the risk Should we wait for the bodies to pile up before we determine that yes they are unsafe? - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info Found some useful info at this link. Below the part I attached is also a list of links that may be relevant. Dan http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml At what frequency does the smart meter operate and will it interfere with other wireless devices in my home? Smart meters run on two frequencies. The frequency communicating to the electric meter is 900 MHz (megahertz). If the premise also has a gas meter, the frequency from the electric meter to the gas meter is 2.4 GHz (gigahertz). The electric meter frequency is similar to a cell phone and the gas meter frequency is similar to a computer router. Neither device will interfere with any wireless devices in the home. Have the health effects of radiofrequency (RF) emitted from Smart Meters been assessed? The technology being used in the Smart meter system RF exposures from Smart meters and other devices used in the system are far below the FCC exposure guidelines. The FCC's guidelines for human exposure to RF electromagnetic fields were adopted from limits recommended by the U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements and the C95.1-1992 guidelines developed by the American National Standards Institute and Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. Learn more about Smart meter RF exposure and concerns about effects on public health: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info
Mike, RF readings have shown that smart meters emit far stronger fields than they admit, and they emit them for 24/7 in a pulsed arrangement. From what I have read, these smart meters are dangerous. Nobody knows the health effects of microwave radiation, and studies do show increased risk of cancer, high blood pressure, cardiac abnormalities, allergies, and other health effects. I have also read that the microwaves can be blocked using thick aluminum foil or aluminum screening. It's best to block in back of the meter so no waves enter your house. If you block the front of the meter they won't be able to be read and that might trigger law enforcement of some sort. I'm no expert but I'm reading as much as I can on this. If you live in California you can complain to SC Edison or PGE. Bob - Original Message - From: Mike W-H th...@telus.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:31 PM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info No amount of exposure is a good amount of exposure of this crap... sorry i don't buy it.. the exposure so called safe limits, who is claiming it is safe? Should you trust them? I don't...are they health professionals?? NO!! So who are they to say what is safe Why take the risk Should we wait for the bodies to pile up before we determine that yes they are unsafe? - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info Found some useful info at this link. Below the part I attached is also a list of links that may be relevant. Dan http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml At what frequency does the smart meter operate and will it interfere with other wireless devices in my home? Smart meters run on two frequencies. The frequency communicating to the electric meter is 900 MHz (megahertz). If the premise also has a gas meter, the frequency from the electric meter to the gas meter is 2.4 GHz (gigahertz). The electric meter frequency is similar to a cell phone and the gas meter frequency is similar to a computer router. Neither device will interfere with any wireless devices in the home. Have the health effects of radiofrequency (RF) emitted from Smart Meters been assessed? The technology being used in the Smart meter system RF exposures from Smart meters and other devices used in the system are far below the FCC exposure guidelines. The FCC's guidelines for human exposure to RF electromagnetic fields were adopted from limits recommended by the U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements and the C95.1-1992 guidelines developed by the American National Standards Institute and Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. Learn more about Smart meter RF exposure and concerns about effects on public health: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info
Dan, Here is a sample letter that I signed and sent to SCEdison. California Public Utilities Commission 505 Van Ness Avenue San Francisco, California 94102 This letter is to inform you that as a California utility customer, I demand the removal of wireless utility meters, and wireless Smart Grid infrastructure and an immediate restoration of analog utility meters. The World Health Organization has recently classified radio frequency electromagnetic fields (wireless) a possible carcinogen. It is a violation of our rights to force the installation of wireless devices upon utility customers without fair process of public or environmental review, or proof of safety. I demand an investigation and evidentiary hearings into the safety impacts of wireless meters, including over billing, interference, burned out appliances, fires and explosions, and health complaints. The people of California deserve an opportunity to be heard. The opt-out proposals before the CPUC are inadequate responses to the problems consumers are experiencing. A pay to opt-out option is only available to the wealthy. This option is not equitable and therefore may be illegal. In addition, paying to opt out of a safety hazard is wrong. We are already paying more for the Smart Meter that we don't want. We want the same reliable service of an analog meter with a meter reader, and at no additional cost. Impose an immediate moratorium on wireless utility meters and provide immediate relief by restoring the analog meters! Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter! - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info Found some useful info at this link. Below the part I attached is also a list of links that may be relevant. Dan http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml At what frequency does the smart meter operate and will it interfere with other wireless devices in my home? Smart meters run on two frequencies. The frequency communicating to the electric meter is 900 MHz (megahertz). If the premise also has a gas meter, the frequency from the electric meter to the gas meter is 2.4 GHz (gigahertz). The electric meter frequency is similar to a cell phone and the gas meter frequency is similar to a computer router. Neither device will interfere with any wireless devices in the home. Have the health effects of radiofrequency (RF) emitted from Smart Meters been assessed? The technology being used in the Smart meter system RF exposures from Smart meters and other devices used in the system are far below the FCC exposure guidelines. The FCC's guidelines for human exposure to RF electromagnetic fields were adopted from limits recommended by the U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements and the C95.1-1992 guidelines developed by the American National Standards Institute and Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. Learn more about Smart meter RF exposure and concerns about effects on public health: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info
Hi Dan, Would a tri-field meter be able to pick up these emissions? I have one, but need to buy a nine volt battery for it, as I am out, *sigh*. Thanks, Craig Dan Nave wrote: Found some useful info at this link. Below the part I attached is also a list of links that may be relevant. Dan http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info
That may be so, but you don't appear to be the one who could make a judgement about it... Dan On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Mike W-H th...@telus.net wrote: No amount of exposure is a good amount of exposure of this crap... sorry i don't buy it.. the exposure so called safe limits, who is claiming it is safe? Should you trust them? I don't...are they health professionals?? NO!! So who are they to say what is safe Why take the risk Should we wait for the bodies to pile up before we determine that yes they are unsafe? - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info Found some useful info at this link. Below the part I attached is also a list of links that may be relevant. Dan http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml At what frequency does the smart meter operate and will it interfere with other wireless devices in my home? Smart meters run on two frequencies. The frequency communicating to the electric meter is 900 MHz (megahertz). If the premise also has a gas meter, the frequency from the electric meter to the gas meter is 2.4 GHz (gigahertz). The electric meter frequency is similar to a cell phone and the gas meter frequency is similar to a computer router. Neither device will interfere with any wireless devices in the home. Have the health effects of radiofrequency (RF) emitted from Smart Meters been assessed? The technology being used in the Smart meter system RF exposures from Smart meters and other devices used in the system are far below the FCC exposure guidelines. The FCC's guidelines for human exposure to RF electromagnetic fields were adopted from limits recommended by the U.S. National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements and the C95.1-1992 guidelines developed by the American National Standards Institute and Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers. Learn more about Smart meter RF exposure and concerns about effects on public health: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSmart Meter Frequency and Info
I don't know. You could read up on it or just try it. Dan On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Craig Chamberlin craigs...@craigcchamberlin.com wrote: Hi Dan, Would a tri-field meter be able to pick up these emissions? I have one, but need to buy a nine volt battery for it, as I am out, *sigh*. Thanks, Craig Dan Nave wrote: Found some useful info at this link. Below the part I attached is also a list of links that may be relevant. Dan http://www.sdge.com/smartmeter/faq.shtml -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
See: http://stevebeckow.com/2011/10/review-of-smart-meters Marshall On 10/20/2011 8:12 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen wrote: don't let them put one in your house fight this people.. this stuff is bad news. - Original Message - *From:* martsmai...@aol.com mailto:martsmai...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:20 PM *Subject:* Re: CSsmart meter shielding martsmai...@aol.com mailto:martsmai...@aol.com wrote: stopsmartmeters. org/...any body know about these building electric smart meters response: *They're bad news. Kathy* http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/?page_id=382 Read the report Scientists Urge Halt of Wireless Rollout and Call for New Safety Standards: Warning Issued on Risks to Children and Pregnant Women “Current US and ICNIRP standards for radiofrequency and microwave radiation from wireless technologies are entirely inadequate. (Olle Johansson, professor, The Experimental Dermatology Unit, Department of Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, and The Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden) The combined effect of cell phones, cordless phones, cell towers, WI-FI and wireless internet place billions of people around the world at risk for cancer, neurological disease and reproductive and developmental impairments. Reflections can significantly increase localized RF levels. Hondou et al (2006) establishes that power densities 1000 times to 2000 times higher than the power density predictions from computer modeling (that does not account properly for reflections) can be found in daily living situations. The RF hot spots can significantly increase RF exposure--even above current public safety limits. “In the case of the eyes and testes, direct relaxation of power density limits is not permitted.”(p. 30) This leaves unanswered what instantaneous peak power is permissible from smart meters. The level must be below 4000 uW/cm2. This report shows clearly that smart meters can create instantaneous peak power exposures where the face (eyes) and body (testes) are going to be in close proximity to smart meter RF pulses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] In a message dated 10/18/2011 3:23:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, asifnathe...@hotmail.com writes: From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail
Just posted, A pilot speaks out about chemtrails: http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1256/807/Pilot_Speaks_Out_About_Chemtrails_And_HAARP.html Marshall On 10/20/2011 11:39 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote: David, I have seen a lot of the pictures of chemtrails on youtube. Some of them show ridiculous numbers of chemtrails ... so many in one place. It is outrageous!! An idiot could tell the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail. What is that website you mentioned? That would be fascinating to see and moniter. It has been rainy and cloudy here in Va for the last few days but before then, no chemtrails and we used to have them criss-crossing in the sky, all day, every day. I had forgotten what a clear, pretty blue sky looks like..lol. I will have to start checking for the trails tomorrow. Darn.. hoped they were gone. Lola On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:27 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking about a way to revolt against chemtrails too People take photos of the chemtrails. Then they map it on a map, and draw a line extending the path. Then there is this website were everyone can post their lines, and you can see a map of off the lines put together. Maybe some pattern will emerge showing the source of the airplanes. Also could show where all the airports are, and see how implausible it is that they could be coming from those airports. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSmart Meter
I went out just now to take a look at our electric meter. It does not have the little clocks. The meter looks like a taxi meter, not LED or digitalized. The brand of the meter is Elster, however, at the bottom it reads DCSI SMT3. I did a search on DCSI SMT and it is a smart meter. I also found an article that ELSTER and DCSI have joined to produce/use a certain kind of meter, which i don't understand. The article is here: http://www.metering.com/node/10226 Can someone tell me if indeed this is a smart meter? Thanks. Melly
Re: CSSmart Meter
Melly, Smart meters usually have a digital read out on them. Do you have this anywhere on the face? Bob - Original Message - From: Melly Bag To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 3:42 PM Subject: CSSmart Meter I went out just now to take a look at our electric meter. It does not have the little clocks. The meter looks like a taxi meter, not LED or digitalized. The brand of the meter is Elster, however, at the bottom it reads DCSI SMT3. I did a search on DCSI SMT and it is a smart meter. I also found an article that ELSTER and DCSI have joined to produce/use a certain kind of meter, which i don't understand. The article is here: http://www.metering.com/node/10226 Can someone tell me if indeed this is a smart meter? Thanks. Melly
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
don't let them put one in your house fight this people.. this stuff is bad news. - Original Message - From: martsmai...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding martsmai...@aol.com wrote: stopsmartmeters. org/...any body know about these building electric smart meters response: They're bad news. Kathy http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/?page_id=382 Read the report Scientists Urge Halt of Wireless Rollout and Call for New Safety Standards: Warning Issued on Risks to Children and Pregnant Women “Current US and ICNIRP standards for radiofrequency and microwave radiation from wireless technologies are entirely inadequate. (Olle Johansson, professor, The Experimental Dermatology Unit, Department of Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, and The Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden) The combined effect of cell phones, cordless phones, cell towers, WI-FI and wireless internet place billions of people around the world at risk for cancer, neurological disease and reproductive and developmental impairments. Reflections can significantly increase localized RF levels. Hondou et al (2006) establishes that power densities 1000 times to 2000 times higher than the power density predictions from computer modeling (that does not account properly for reflections) can be found in daily living situations. The RF hot spots can significantly increase RF exposure--even above current public safety limits. “In the case of the eyes and testes, direct relaxation of power density limits is not permitted.”(p. 30) This leaves unanswered what instantaneous peak power is permissible from smart meters. The level must be below 4000 uW/cm2. This report shows clearly that smart meters can create instantaneous peak power exposures where the face (eyes) and body (testes) are going to be in close proximity to smart meter RF pulses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] In a message dated 10/18/2011 3:23:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, asifnathe...@hotmail.com writes: From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail
I am rather confused. I called Pedernales our electric utility co. here in Kyle, Texas, to find out if we have a smart meter installed. I was told that they read our electricity electronically. They asked for my address and phone number then said, no i don't have a smart meter and asked if i wanted one. I said, hell no! How can they read my electricity consumption electronically if i don't have a smart meter, is that possible at all? Chemtrail is back here in our area since end of September. Ugh!!! Melly
Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail
Melly, go out and look at the meter. If it has clock like circles, it is not a smart meter. If it has numbers, it is smart. On 10/20/2011 8:56 PM, Melly Bag wrote: I am rather confused. I called Pedernales our electric utility co. here in Kyle, Texas, to find out if we have a smart meter installed. I was told that they read our electricity electronically. They asked for my address and phone number then said, no i don't have a smart meter and asked if i wanted one. I said, hell no! How can they read my electricity consumption electronically if i don't have a smart meter, is that possible at all? Chemtrail is back here in our area since end of September. Ugh!!! Melly
Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail
That is not definitive. We have a smart meter on our water. The old meter is still there and is running. The new meter doesn't even have a dial - it is all directly transmitted data, no local readout. Sara On 10/20/2011 9:14 PM, Gene Wolfe wrote: Melly, go out and look at the meter. If it has clock like circles, it is not a smart meter. If it has numbers, it is smart. On 10/20/2011 8:56 PM, Melly Bag wrote: I am rather confused. I called Pedernales our electric utility co. here in Kyle, Texas, to find out if we have a smart meter installed. I was told that they read our electricity electronically. They asked for my address and phone number then said, no i don't have a smart meter and asked if i wanted one. I said, hell no! How can they read my electricity consumption electronically if i don't have a smart meter, is that possible at all? Chemtrail is back here in our area since end of September. Ugh!!! Melly -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail
Sorry to hear about the chemtrails, Melly. I was hopeful they had gone for good. I wish I knew what we could do about them. No wonder we are all so sick !!Lola On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Melly Bag tita_...@yahoo.com wrote: I am rather confused. I called Pedernales our electric utility co. here in Kyle, Texas, to find out if we have a smart meter installed. I was told that they read our electricity electronically. They asked for my address and phone number then said, no i don't have a smart meter and asked if i wanted one. I said, hell no! How can they read my electricity consumption electronically if i don't have a smart meter, is that possible at all? Chemtrail is back here in our area since end of September. Ugh!!! Melly
RE: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail
Hi Sara, As far as I know if the old meter is still running it has to have water going through it. That's what makes the dials move. So my question is what is the new meter recording? PT -Original Message- From: Sara Mandal-Joy [mailto:smjl...@wavewls.com] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail That is not definitive. We have a smart meter on our water. The old meter is still there and is running. The new meter doesn't even have a dial - it is all directly transmitted data, no local readout. Sara On 10/20/2011 9:14 PM, Gene Wolfe wrote: Melly, go out and look at the meter. If it has clock like circles, it is not a smart meter. If it has numbers, it is smart. On 10/20/2011 8:56 PM, Melly Bag wrote: I am rather confused. I called Pedernales our electric utility co. here in Kyle, Texas, to find out if we have a smart meter installed. I was told that they read our electricity electronically. They asked for my address and phone number then said, no i don't have a smart meter and asked if i wanted one. I said, hell no! How can they read my electricity consumption electronically if i don't have a smart meter, is that possible at all? Chemtrail is back here in our area since end of September. Ugh!!! Melly -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4563 - Release Date: 10/20/11
Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail
I was thinking about a way to revolt against chemtrails too People take photos of the chemtrails. Then they map it on a map, and draw a line extending the path. Then there is this website were everyone can post their lines, and you can see a map of off the lines put together. Maybe some pattern will emerge showing the source of the airplanes. Also could show where all the airports are, and see how implausible it is that they could be coming from those airports. David
Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail
David, I have seen a lot of the pictures of chemtrails on youtube. Some of them show ridiculous numbers of chemtrails ... so many in one place. It is outrageous!! An idiot could tell the difference between a chemtrail and a contrail. What is that website you mentioned? That would be fascinating to see and moniter. It has been rainy and cloudy here in Va for the last few days but before then, no chemtrails and we used to have them criss-crossing in the sky, all day, every day. I had forgotten what a clear, pretty blue sky looks like..lol. I will have to start checking for the trails tomorrow. Darn.. hoped they were gone. Lola On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 11:27 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking about a way to revolt against chemtrails too People take photos of the chemtrails. Then they map it on a map, and draw a line extending the path. Then there is this website were everyone can post their lines, and you can see a map of off the lines put together. Maybe some pattern will emerge showing the source of the airplanes. Also could show where all the airports are, and see how implausible it is that they could be coming from those airports. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail
I was suggesting someone MAKE such a site, so we might discover the culprits. Ya, one would think that even idiots could tell the difference. Yet somehow, people really are too dense to see it. David
Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail
i find it is interesting this is happening every day and no one really knows why, only theories...who is doing it and why? and why aren't the people being told? - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:27 PM Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail I was thinking about a way to revolt against chemtrails too People take photos of the chemtrails. Then they map it on a map, and draw a line extending the path. Then there is this website were everyone can post their lines, and you can see a map of off the lines put together. Maybe some pattern will emerge showing the source of the airplanes. Also could show where all the airports are, and see how implausible it is that they could be coming from those airports. David
Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail
I don't know - but that is how it was explained to us. It apparently has a way to measure the water, without having a dial that puts out the number. The old dial wasn't disconnected, but they made sure to tell us not to count on the old dial, since it would no longer be being checked or recalibrated by them. So we have no way of checking the data they are invisibly receiving in their computers. Sara On 10/20/2011 10:14 PM, PTFerrance wrote: Hi Sara, As far as I know if the old meter is still running it has to have water going through it. That's what makes the dials move. So my question is what is the new meter recording? PT -Original Message- From: Sara Mandal-Joy [mailto:smjl...@wavewls.com] Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSmart Meter and Chem Trail That is not definitive. We have a smart meter on our water. The old meter is still there and is running. The new meter doesn't even have a dial - it is all directly transmitted data, no local readout. Sara On 10/20/2011 9:14 PM, Gene Wolfe wrote: Melly, go out and look at the meter. If it has clock like circles, it is not a smart meter. If it has numbers, it is smart. On 10/20/2011 8:56 PM, Melly Bag wrote: I am rather confused. I called Pedernales our electric utility co. here in Kyle, Texas, to find out if we have a smart meter installed. I was told that they read our electricity electronically. They asked for my address and phone number then said, no i don't have a smart meter and asked if i wanted one. I said, hell no! How can they read my electricity consumption electronically if i don't have a smart meter, is that possible at all? Chemtrail is back here in our area since end of September. Ugh!!! Melly -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4563 - Release Date: 10/20/11
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There is an okay documentary called What the heck are they spraying and supposedly people measured melted snow from the top of mount shasta and it is has way over safe levels aluminum in it. They also visit some places were wildlife is sort of dying. And they show changes in soil pHs. I heard someone also found mycoplasma from chemtrails. There is also a retired high ranking military whistle blower, I forget his name, he said in a you tube video the name of a place where he knows some of them are taking off from. And he said they are unmarked NATO planes. Some say global warming control. Some say depopulation. Who knows. On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:06 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen th...@telus.netwrote: ** i find it is interesting this is happening every day and no one really knows why, only theories...who is doing it and why? and why aren't the people being told?
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that is funny, i like that... but they might charge you everytime they have to come out - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding You know, a legal tactic to resist smart meters, would be to organize an everyone block it out with aluminum foil (or whatever actually works) day. Yes, they will be able to tell you blocked it out. But hey, it is on your property. And if everyone who does not like smart meters does it, PGE will be screwed having to come out and remove the foil/whatever to so many houses. Heck, it could be done everyday. David On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM, ted mozell tdba...@gmail.com wrote: Heck wait till the neighbors see me out there wrapping the damn thing with aluminum foil . I should probably put some on my head while I'm at it that will give em something to talk about On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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They can't come out to all of your houses...so maybe collect a fund and pool the risk, and pay the fees of everyone from that fund. Or just everyone can refuse to pay. If Americans would just act in unison, there isn't really anything in this country we would have to put up with. That's the big IF though. It requires above zombie brain status. David On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Mike Winslow-Hansen th...@telus.net wrote: that is funny, i like that... but they might charge you everytime they have to come out - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:55 PM Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding You know, a legal tactic to resist smart meters, would be to organize an everyone block it out with aluminum foil (or whatever actually works) day. Yes, they will be able to tell you blocked it out. But hey, it is on your property. And if everyone who does not like smart meters does it, PGE will be screwed having to come out and remove the foil/whatever to so many houses. Heck, it could be done everyday. David On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM, ted mozell tdba...@gmail.com wrote: Heck wait till the neighbors see me out there wrapping the damn thing with aluminum foil . I should probably put some on my head while I'm at it that will give em something to talk about On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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that would be a decent compromise, as the meter would buffer the traffic and send when the next available opportunity presents itself which of course would be when you uncover the shielding perhaps the neighborhood could agree on a time to do this... e.g. 9pm-10pm every night bear in mind that a LOT of traffic would be fed during that time intensively... rather than being drip fed throughout the day... there would be maximum transmission during that time.. as it would be making up for lost time!... -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Maybe that narrow time frame would be the perfect time to really wear the tinfoil hats? LOL On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: that would be a decent compromise, as the meter would buffer the traffic and send when the next available opportunity presents itself which of course would be when you uncover the shielding perhaps the neighborhood could agree on a time to do this... e.g. 9pm-10pm every night bear in mind that a LOT of traffic would be fed during that time intensively... rather than being drip fed throughout the day... there would be maximum transmission during that time.. as it would be making up for lost time!... -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I've heard from someone that said there is an option to people to have smart meters wired in using telephone wires... has anyone heard of this? - Original Message - From: phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:14 PM Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe that narrow time frame would be the perfect time to really wear the tinfoil hats? LOL On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: that would be a decent compromise, as the meter would buffer the traffic and send when the next available opportunity presents itself which of course would be when you uncover the shielding perhaps the neighborhood could agree on a time to do this... e.g. 9pm-10pm every night bear in mind that a LOT of traffic would be fed during that time intensively... rather than being drip fed throughout the day... there would be maximum transmission during that time.. as it would be making up for lost time!... -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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which one?... I have 3! :) -- From: phoenix23002 tds.net phoenix23...@tds.net Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe that narrow time frame would be the perfect time to really wear the tinfoil hats? LOL On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: that would be a decent compromise, as the meter would buffer the traffic and send when the next available opportunity presents itself which of course would be when you uncover the shielding perhaps the neighborhood could agree on a time to do this... e.g. 9pm-10pm every night bear in mind that a LOT of traffic would be fed during that time intensively... rather than being drip fed throughout the day... there would be maximum transmission during that time.. as it would be making up for lost time!... -- From: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 3:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsmart meter shielding
Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
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I would think energy goes from inside someone’s electrical wires to their own meter and then all meters are transmitted to central station up to 5 miles away. So the danger for someone without a smart meter is that the neighborhood has this energy buzzing outside but not directly inside their own home. Otherwise it is passing through walls of everyone’s home and then sealing off your own smart meter with foil wouldn’t help. Jess From: Shirley Reed Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
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Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
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From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
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_martsmail53@aol.com_ (mailto:martsmai...@aol.com) wrote: stopsmartmeters. org/...any body know about these building electric smart meters response: They're bad news. Kathy _http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/?page_id=382_ (http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/?page_id=382) Read the report Scientists Urge Halt of Wireless Rollout and Call for New Safety Standards: Warning Issued on Risks to Children and Pregnant Women “Current US and ICNIRP standards for radiofrequency and microwave radiation from wireless technologies are entirely inadequate. (Olle Johansson, professor, The Experimental Dermatology Unit, Department of Neuroscience, Karolinska Institute, and The Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden) The combined effect of cell phones, cordless phones, cell towers, WI-FI and wireless internet place billions of people around the world at risk for cancer, neurological disease and reproductive and developmental impairments. Reflections can significantly increase localized RF levels. Hondou et al (2006) establishes that power densities 1000 times to 2000 times higher than the power density predictions from computer modeling (that does not account properly for reflections) can be found in daily living situations. The RF hot spots can significantly increase RF exposure--even above current public safety limits. “In the case of the eyes and testes, direct relaxation of power density limits is not permitted.”(p. 30) This leaves unanswered what instantaneous peak power is permissible from smart meters. The level must be below 4000 uW/cm2. This report shows clearly that smart meters can create instantaneous peak power exposures where the face (eyes) and body (testes) are going to be in close proximity to smart meter RF pulses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] In a message dated 10/18/2011 3:23:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, asifnathe...@hotmail.com writes: From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall _mdudley@king-cart.com_ (mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing??If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary.pj
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I wonder what effect would happen if a powerful magnet was placed near it? PT From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11
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Here comes mass organized midnight vandalism off whole country's smart meters. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: I wonder what effect would happen if a powerful magnet was placed near it? PT From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Scientific inquiry! PT -Original Message- From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 8:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding Here comes mass organized midnight vandalism off whole country's smart meters. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, PTFerrance ptf2...@bellsouth.net wrote: I wonder what effect would happen if a powerful magnet was placed near it? PT From: Asif Nathekar [mailto:asifnathe...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:23 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter shielding From what I understand, the network is a high fault tolerance interconnected star topology network. The antenna is omnidirectional because of this. It has a high poll rate plus it's event activated traffic. E.g. If someone goes to the toilet at night and uses the light. Or when high current draw. Devices are used such As irons, toasters and kettles. This would be used for analytics in a data warehouse by the utilities company. They also have zigbee radio connectivity so that new devices can provide detailed on their operation which would then be used by the utilities company. I have done some work on this as I have worked in healthcare. On 18 Oct 2011, at 19:16, Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Electromagnetic radiation drops off to the square of the distance. Thus if you are 10 feet from your meter, and 100 feet from the neighbor's, you will receive 100 times as much radiation from yours than your neighbors. That assumes that the antenna is omnidirectional. If the antenna is directional, or they are using the wiring as the antenna, all bets are off. Marshall On 10/18/2011 1:59 PM, Shirley Reed wrote: Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4559 - Release Date: 10/18/11 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4560 - Release Date: 10/18/11
Re: CSsmart meter shielding
Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj
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Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Heck wait till the neighbors see me out there wrapping the damn thing with aluminum foil . I should probably put some on my head while I'm at it that will give em something to talk about On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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You know, a legal tactic to resist smart meters, would be to organize an everyone block it out with aluminum foil (or whatever actually works) day. Yes, they will be able to tell you blocked it out. But hey, it is on your property. And if everyone who does not like smart meters does it, PGE will be screwed having to come out and remove the foil/whatever to so many houses. Heck, it could be done everyday. David On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 9:41 PM, ted mozell tdba...@gmail.com wrote: Heck wait till the neighbors see me out there wrapping the damn thing with aluminum foil . I should probably put some on my head while I'm at it that will give em something to talk about On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:58 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe if a type of shielding could be devised that does not block its operation 24 hours a day. Maybe for a minute or 2 here and there it would work. They might think the meter is broken instead of suspecting the resident. On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: Shirley, I have one too. If you live in California you can protest to the DPUC on their website. If they recieve enough complaints they will ban the things. I complained yesterday. They say aluminum foil (double or triple thickness) will block the energy. Put sheets on the wall behind the meter between you and the meter. You can wrap the outside of the meter as well... just keep the front uncovered so Edison can read it. If they cannot they might send someone to your house. From what I understand all of the meters around you communicate with each other. Bob - Original Message - From: Shirley Reed To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:59 AM Subject: CSsmart meter shielding Anyone know if tachyon items can shield from this thing?? If the energy from these meters travels for 5 miles, then we would need to shield from everyone's meters and that doesn't seem possible. But it is quite possible that I don't understand the situation. :) If the energy goes out from everyones meter, does it go just in one direction or all around? Seems to me that we need to know this before any strategy can be devised for protection. My house has one of these things. Scary. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsmart meter
silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess
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I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess
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The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess
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You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I'd imagine that lessemf.com would probably have something you could use to eliminate the hazard from the meter, if worse comes to worse. I've phoned them and they're pretty helpful and knowledgeable. Be well, Léna On Oct 17, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Dan Nave wrote: You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver- l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I did watch a whole presentation on this by an electrical engineer, I have a similar background and appreciated the detail. Basically this is what I learnt. 1 : Smart Meter operate on a frequency similar to microwaves 2 : Smart meters work on a Cluster / Cloud architecture, meaning one meter does not have direct communication with the 'tower' rather they all talk to each other and the usage messages are passed on through this network of clustered devices. 3 : Like all modern digital communication devices, they vary power depending on the need to transmit the data at high quality. What does this mean. 1: If you cover one up, for example install a faraday cage to shield the device, the utilities company will know of the non-communication occurring from your node. 2 : if you cover or shield the device, or reduce the output by limited shielding, then it will ramp up the power in as much it needs to transmit the signal 3 : Your neighbours meters will still be transmitting unaffected, which will of course reach you. 4 : you will be receiving this radiation from multiple sources, from wherever your neighbours reside. this does not mean that we are all done for, rather it means we have to find ways around this, I for example take exception to the utilities company radiating me without permission, or constantly monitoring my electricity usage, and creating a profile of to sell to data aggregators, to create and complete my 'profile'. They can tell how many people are in the house, their approximate ages, devices used, how many times a person goes to the toilet at night, and even approximate tv watching habits... e.g. many people go to the toilet during a commercial break and go to the fridge for a cold drink, or make a coffee. all by live electricity usage data. I went to a seminar on this regarding remotely monitoring the elderly and their habits to see the state of their health... just my two pence worth peace to all, Asif. From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions
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Hi elizabeth, i am interested in taking a look at the doughnut thing can you please forward to me thanks Mike th...@telus.net - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Williams To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:28 PM Subject: RE: CSsmart meter There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Elizabeth, I'm interested. Thanks in advance, Paul - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Williams To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:28 PM Subject: RE: CSsmart meter There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Please forward. Thanks, Jess From: paul catania Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 3:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter Hi Elizabeth, I'm interested. Thanks in advance, Paul - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Williams To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:28 PM Subject: RE: CSsmart meter There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Me too maybe just send to the list. :-) Jaxi On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:25 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: Please forward. Thanks, Jess *From:* paul catania squigg...@embarqmail.com *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2011 3:56 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSsmart meter Hi Elizabeth, I'm interested. Thanks in advance, Paul - Original Message - *From:* Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2011 1:28 PM *Subject:* RE: CSsmart meter There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@ eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Me to...I just called my eclectic company...mine was install Jan 2008 In a message dated 10/17/2011 6:38:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jaxi.sch...@gmail.com writes: Me too maybe just send to the list. :-) Jaxi On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:25 PM, jess _jessie70@optonline.net_ (mailto:jessi...@optonline.net) wrote: Please forward. Thanks, Jess From: _paul catania_ (mailto:squigg...@embarqmail.com) Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 3:56 PM To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Subject: Re: CSsmart meter Hi Elizabeth, I'm interested. Thanks in advance, Paul - Original Message - From: _Elizabeth Williams_ (mailto:belzi...@hotmail.com) To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:28 PM Subject: RE: CSsmart meter There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams _belzieth@hotmail.com_ (mailto:belzi...@hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: _bhangchai69@gmail.com_ (mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com) To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess _jessie70@optonline.net_ (mailto:jessi...@optonline.net) wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams _belzieth@hotmail.com_ (mailto:belzi...@hotmail.com) From: _jessie70@optonline.net_ (mailto:jessi...@optonline.net) To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@_eskimo.com_ (http://eskimo.com/) ; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: _http://www.silverlist.org_ (http://www.silverlist.org/) Unsubscribe: mailto:_silver-list-request@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com) ?subject=subscribe Archives: _http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html_ (http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html) Off-Topic discussions: mailto:_silver-off-topic-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com) List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:_mdevour@eskimo.com_ (mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com)
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Please send details to the list ELizabeth! Jane - Original Message - Me too maybe just send to the list. :-) There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge.
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Dan, I live in So. Cal and already have a smart meter on my house. I'm livid as I didn't even know they installed it (probably two years ago). I've always had issues with my health living here. Tiredness and malaise mostly. As soon as I leave on vacation I feel better. Happens every time. I called SC Edison and they said they cannot remove the meter until the DPU ok's the opt out. In the meantime I covered the meter with a double layer of thick aluminum foil. I haven't shielded the back of the unit though I can't get in back of it. I'm wondering if I put foil up on the wall inside my house directly in back if that will shield me. Bob - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:24 PM Subject: Re: CSsmart meter You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Lena, Thick aluminum foil should do the trick. On YouTube there is a demonstration of someone using a turkey roasting pot made of thick aluminum foil... after covering the meter it blocked 100% of the radiation. Bob - Original Message - From: Guyot Léna To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:42 PM Subject: Re: CSsmart meter I'd imagine that lessemf.com would probably have something you could use to eliminate the hazard from the meter, if worse comes to worse. I've phoned them and they're pretty helpful and knowledgeable. Be well, Léna On Oct 17, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Dan Nave wrote: You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Here is the two links, the first is a picture of the doughnut thing and the second is a link to his store. Smart meter doughnut http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad266/bodhisattva123/orgonemeter.jpg online store from this seller the above picture is so new that he doesn’t have them listed on his site, but he has a custom choice, contact him if you want one. Here is his online store http://www.king-cart.com/cgi-bin/cart.cgi?store=orgonite Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:38:20 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: jaxi.sch...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Me too maybe just send to the list. :-) Jaxi On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:25 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: Please forward. Thanks, Jess From: paul catania Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 3:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter Hi Elizabeth, I'm interested. Thanks in advance, Paul - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Williams To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:28 PM Subject: RE: CSsmart meter There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I am going to ask a dumb question. How would one know if they have had a 'smart meter' installed? (I haven't heard a peep out of our coop about a smart meter.) We live out in the country and our meter is on a pole about 100 - 150 ft (underground from the pole to the house) away from the house. One more question.. if we have had a smart meter installed, would it being so far from the house make it less of a problem? Lola On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com wrote: Here is the two links, the first is a picture of the doughnut thing and the second is a link to his store. Smart meter doughnut http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad266/bodhisattva123/orgonemeter.jpg online store from this seller the above picture is so new that he doesn’t have them listed on his site, but he has a custom choice, contact him if you want one. Here is his online store http://www.king-cart.com/cgi-bin/cart.cgi?store=orgonite Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:38:20 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: jaxi.sch...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Me too maybe just send to the list. :-) Jaxi On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:25 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: Please forward. Thanks, Jess From: paul catania Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 3:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter Hi Elizabeth, I'm interested. Thanks in advance, Paul - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Williams To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:28 PM Subject: RE: CSsmart meter There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Smartmeters have digital readouts. Regular analog ones have little clock-type faces for reading. Chuck Those that forget the pasta are doomed to reheat it. On 10/17/2011 10:50:29 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net (phoenix23...@tds.net) wrote: I am going to ask a dumb question. How would one know if they have had a 'smart meter' installed? (I haven't heard a peep out of our coop about a smart meter.) We live out in the country and our meter is on a pole about 100 - 150 ft (underground from the pole to the house) away from the house. One more question.. if we have had a smart meter installed, would it being so far from the house make it less of a problem? Lola On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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And it is not just electric meters ... our water meter also transmits ... because we don't have a landline phone they put one in on our water meter ... not sure what the max distance is but i know they send someone in a car to drive the hood each month to collect the info. So ... you might have more than one transmitter in the house. I have orgonite towers all over our house. Jaxi On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:09 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Smartmeters have digital readouts. Regular analog ones have little clock-type faces for reading. Chuck Those that forget the pasta are doomed to reheat it. On 10/17/2011 10:50:29 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net (phoenix23...@tds.net) wrote: I am going to ask a dumb question. How would one know if they have had a 'smart meter' installed? (I haven't heard a peep out of our coop about a smart meter.) We live out in the country and our meter is on a pole about 100 - 150 ft (underground from the pole to the house) away from the house. One more question.. if we have had a smart meter installed, would it being so far from the house make it less of a problem? Lola On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Ditto?! Léna On Oct 17, 2011, at 7:38 PM, jaxi wrote: Me too maybe just send to the list. :-) Jaxi On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:25 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: Please forward. Thanks, Jess From: paul catania Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 3:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSsmart meter Hi Elizabeth, I'm interested. Thanks in advance, Paul - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Williams To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:28 PM Subject: RE: CSsmart meter There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess jessi...@optonline.net wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: jessi...@optonline.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver- l...@eskimo.com; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Whew.. ty, Chuck. We still have the little wheel that goes around and the clock type thingys. I guess living in the boonies has it's advantages.. well water and no smart meters. lol.. Lola On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:09 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Smartmeters have digital readouts. Regular analog ones have little clock-type faces for reading. Chuck Those that forget the pasta are doomed to reheat it. On 10/17/2011 10:50:29 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net (phoenix23...@tds.net) wrote: I am going to ask a dumb question. How would one know if they have had a 'smart meter' installed? (I haven't heard a peep out of our coop about a smart meter.) We live out in the country and our meter is on a pole about 100 - 150 ft (underground from the pole to the house) away from the house. One more question.. if we have had a smart meter installed, would it being so far from the house make it less of a problem? Lola On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Good point. I will have to look around but.. we don't pay for water and I can't think of anything else 'they' would have access to. I like the idea of the orgonites placed around the house. Been thinking about getting some. Not to change the subject (you mentioning orgonite reminded me) but has anyone else noticed the lessoning of chem trails since the earthquakes last month? Lola On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:15 PM, jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com wrote: And it is not just electric meters ... our water meter also transmits ... because we don't have a landline phone they put one in on our water meter ... not sure what the max distance is but i know they send someone in a car to drive the hood each month to collect the info. So ... you might have more than one transmitter in the house. I have orgonite towers all over our house. Jaxi On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 10:09 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Smartmeters have digital readouts. Regular analog ones have little clock-type faces for reading. Chuck Those that forget the pasta are doomed to reheat it. On 10/17/2011 10:50:29 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net (phoenix23...@tds.net) wrote: I am going to ask a dumb question. How would one know if they have had a 'smart meter' installed? (I haven't heard a peep out of our coop about a smart meter.) We live out in the country and our meter is on a pole about 100 - 150 ft (underground from the pole to the house) away from the house. One more question.. if we have had a smart meter installed, would it being so far from the house make it less of a problem? Lola On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I'm interested also! grace1...@aol.com Jill In a message dated 10/17/2011 8:21:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, drumr...@stny.rr.com writes: Ditto?! Léna On Oct 17, 2011, at 7:38 PM, jaxi wrote: Me too maybe just send to the list. :-) Jaxi On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:25 PM, jess _jessie70@optonline.net_ (mailto:jessi...@optonline.net) wrote: Please forward. Thanks, Jess From: _paul catania_ (mailto:squigg...@embarqmail.com) Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 3:56 PM To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Subject: Re: CSsmart meter Hi Elizabeth, I'm interested. Thanks in advance, Paul - Original Message - From: _Elizabeth Williams_ (mailto:belzi...@hotmail.com) To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:28 PM Subject: RE: CSsmart meter There is a person on another list I am on that sells these doughnut shaped things that go around the meter that protect you from the radiation they emit, If anyone is interested I can provide a link to his online store, I am not affiliated with this person just sharing knowledge. Elizabeth Williams _belzieth@hotmail.com_ (mailto:belzi...@hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: CSsmart meter From: _bhangchai69@gmail.com_ (mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com) To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) You should be able to do something like install a grounded metal shield between the meter and your house which would reduce the strength of any emission into the house. That should take care of it. Dan On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 1:28 PM, jess _jessie70@optonline.net_ (mailto:jessi...@optonline.net) wrote: The man from the utility co just told me that the pulses from the meter travel 5 miles. he did not install it and I put a note on mine saying please do not change my meter . I got through to Edison So Cal and the rep said at this time there is no opt out. They will let me know if the California Public Utilities commission decides to allow an opt out list. Right now I am on their delay list. I am seeing lots of anti health reasons on the internet and some saying it affects privacy issues. Jess From: Elizabeth Williams Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:18 AM To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Subject: RE: CSsmart meter I knew that these meters were coming to my town because they announced it in the local city electric newsletter. I had been reading about these things for a long time now. So what I did was call my lawyer and see what I could legally do to keep them from installing it at my house. I put a note near the meter that read, Do not install a smart meter on this home and I padlocked the meter with my own lock. The lawyer told me that basically I have a right to not accept this in my town. So my lawyer has sent the city a letter stating that I dont want this smart meter. Elizabeth Williams _belzieth@hotmail.com_ (mailto:belzi...@hotmail.com) From: _jessie70@optonline.net_ (mailto:jessi...@optonline.net) To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:51:35 -0700 Subject: CSsmart meter _silver-list@eskimo.commailto_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.commailto) :_silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list) @_eskimo.com_ (http://eskimo.com/) ; is this the list that has discussed the smart meter effects? This morning a utility man knocked on the door to inform me that he was installing a smart meter on my house and the entire neighborhood. I live in southern California. I just googled and saw it can cause heart irregularity, headaches and sleep problems. The phone # he gave me to call the company is not working. I read that a homeowner refused and was charged $4k to keep an analog meter. Does anyone know about this subject? thanks, Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: _http://www.silverlist.org_ (http://www.silverlist.org/) Unsubscribe: mailto:_silver-list-request@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com) ?subject=subscribe Archives: _http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html_ (http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html) Off-Topic discussions: mailto:_silver-off-topic-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com) List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:_mdevour@eskimo.com_ (mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com) =
