Re: CS>CS Generator - DIY vs Commercial

[Lynne Toll]

ok, well, steve, and all, i may ruffle some feathers (again, i am new to this 
forum), but it seems to me all simple things eventually get complicated b/c 
someone wants to sell one more meter or another something that makes it better, 
even if it ain't broke.  there is so much confusion about seemingly EVERYTHING 
from what's right to eat to who to pray to, that i just want the easiest way to 
do it.  i'll just stick with the way i've been doing it for almost 2 decades.  
i've had great experience with cs, as have many people i've made it for, and 
none of us are blue yet.
thanks for your input.
lynne


On Jul 18, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Steve wrote:

> Lynne,
>  
> This site, which sells commercial CS generators, has a good explanation of 
> constant voltage generators (which you have) verses constant current 
> generators.  http://www.silvergen.com/technica.htm
> --Steve
>  
> From: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com] 
> On Behalf Of Lynne Toll
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:34 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>CS Generator - DIY vs Commercial
>  
> hi steve,
> why do you need a current regulator and resister?  what do they do?  my 
> generator is just the batteries, wires, clips.  also you say you brew for 24 
> hours?  i am very new to this list and will be doing a lot more research into 
> the archives, but i get about 13ppm in about an hour.  
> thanks!
> lynne
>  
>  
> On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:29 PM, Steve wrote:
> 
> 
> Gidon and others:
> 
> I have no experience with the generator you are asking about, but I do have
> many years of engineering experience with my own designs.  Reading their
> advertising hype, the $240 Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator looks
> like to would produce a good product.  But you can achieve the same results
> as claimed for it for a small fraction of the cost.  Here's how: 
> 
> 1) Buy an LM334Z constant current regulator.  A good source is Jameco.com,
> part number LM334Z, cost 79 cents.  The Jameco data sheet which you can
> download shows how to use it.  If you don't understand the data sheet, ask
> an electronics person to help you.
> 
> 2) Add one resistor to the LM334Z to set the constant current to be about
> 0.2 milliamps.   The resistor will be 330 ohms, at a quarter or an eighth
> watt.  Radio Shack part 271-1315 or 271-012 will do the job.  
> 
> 3) Use two 9 volt batteries (total of 18 volts) connected in series with
> your constant current regulator and your silver electrodes.  You can make
> connections to your batteries and electrodes with small alligator clips and
> insulated wire - available at Radio Shack.  Again, an electronics friend can
> help you.  
> 
> 4) Meticulously clean a wide mouthed quart canning jar and rinse it out a
> couple times with pure steam distilled water.  Then fill it with a quart of
> the pure steam distilled water.
> 
> 5) Immerse the two silver electrodes into the water, spacing them about two
> inches apart, and ensure only the silver wire contacts the water.  About 24
> hours later, remove the electrodes and use your product.  
> 
> Your product that will be at least as good as that produced by the
> Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator, or any other commercial unit.
> Because the constant current is extremely low, you will produce very tiny
> colloids along with ionic silver solution.  And because production is very
> slow (about 24 hours), no stirring or air bubbling or thermal agitation is
> needed.  Nature does the job for you through natural movement within the
> solution (called Brownian Motion).
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com]
> On Behalf Of Gidon Kenar
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:14 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>CS Generator
> 
> I'm thinking of buying this Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator from
> here http://thesilveredge.com/aboutmicro.shtml
> Does anybody has experience with this machine?
> 
> Regards
> Gidon 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: CS>CS Generator

[bob Larson]

no personal experience, but it's a cheap little fabrication marketed for way
too much money, and not a good design either.
look at the Silver Puppy and the Colloid Master, study the subject some more
then compare to silveredge. 

> -Original Message-
> From: Gidon Kenar [mailto:gidonke...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:14 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>CS Generator
> 
> I'm thinking of buying this Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver 
> Generator from
> here http://thesilveredge.com/aboutmicro.shtml
> Does anybody has experience with this machine?
> 
> Regards
> Gidon 
>


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RE: CS>CS Generator - DIY vs Commercial

[Steve]

Lynne,

 

This site, which sells commercial CS generators, has a good explanation of
constant voltage generators (which you have) verses constant current
generators.  http://www.silvergen.com/technica.htm 

--Steve

 

  _  

From: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com]
On Behalf Of Lynne Toll
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:34 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS Generator - DIY vs Commercial

 

hi steve,

why do you need a current regulator and resister?  what do they do?  my
generator is just the batteries, wires, clips.  also you say you brew for 24
hours?  i am very new to this list and will be doing a lot more research
into the archives, but i get about 13ppm in about an hour.  

thanks!

lynne

 

 

On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:29 PM, Steve wrote:





Gidon and others:

I have no experience with the generator you are asking about, but I do have
many years of engineering experience with my own designs.  Reading their
advertising hype, the $240 Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator looks
like to would produce a good product.  But you can achieve the same results
as claimed for it for a small fraction of the cost.  Here's how: 

1) Buy an LM334Z constant current regulator.  A good source is Jameco.com,
part number LM334Z, cost 79 cents.  The Jameco data sheet which you can
download shows how to use it.  If you don't understand the data sheet, ask
an electronics person to help you.

2) Add one resistor to the LM334Z to set the constant current to be about
0.2 milliamps.   The resistor will be 330 ohms, at a quarter or an eighth
watt.  Radio Shack part 271-1315 or 271-012 will do the job.  

3) Use two 9 volt batteries (total of 18 volts) connected in series with
your constant current regulator and your silver electrodes.  You can make
connections to your batteries and electrodes with small alligator clips and
insulated wire - available at Radio Shack.  Again, an electronics friend can
help you.  

4) Meticulously clean a wide mouthed quart canning jar and rinse it out a
couple times with pure steam distilled water.  Then fill it with a quart of
the pure steam distilled water.

5) Immerse the two silver electrodes into the water, spacing them about two
inches apart, and ensure only the silver wire contacts the water.  About 24
hours later, remove the electrodes and use your product.  

Your product that will be at least as good as that produced by the
Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator, or any other commercial unit.
Because the constant current is extremely low, you will produce very tiny
colloids along with ionic silver solution.  And because production is very
slow (about 24 hours), no stirring or air bubbling or thermal agitation is
needed.  Nature does the job for you through natural movement within the
solution (called Brownian Motion).

Cheers,
Steve




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On Behalf Of Gidon Kenar
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS Generator

I'm thinking of buying this Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator from
here http://thesilveredge.com/aboutmicro.shtml
Does anybody has experience with this machine?

Regards
Gidon 




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Re: CS>CS Generator - DIY vs Commercial

[Lynne Toll]

hi steve,
why do you need a current regulator and resister?  what do they do?  my 
generator is just the batteries, wires, clips.  also you say you brew for 24 
hours?  i am very new to this list and will be doing a lot more research into 
the archives, but i get about 13ppm in about an hour.  
thanks!
lynne


On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:29 PM, Steve wrote:

> Gidon and others:
> 
> I have no experience with the generator you are asking about, but I do have
> many years of engineering experience with my own designs.  Reading their
> advertising hype, the $240 Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator looks
> like to would produce a good product.  But you can achieve the same results
> as claimed for it for a small fraction of the cost.  Here's how: 
> 
> 1) Buy an LM334Z constant current regulator.  A good source is Jameco.com,
> part number LM334Z, cost 79 cents.  The Jameco data sheet which you can
> download shows how to use it.  If you don't understand the data sheet, ask
> an electronics person to help you.
> 
> 2) Add one resistor to the LM334Z to set the constant current to be about
> 0.2 milliamps.   The resistor will be 330 ohms, at a quarter or an eighth
> watt.  Radio Shack part 271-1315 or 271-012 will do the job.  
> 
> 3) Use two 9 volt batteries (total of 18 volts) connected in series with
> your constant current regulator and your silver electrodes.  You can make
> connections to your batteries and electrodes with small alligator clips and
> insulated wire - available at Radio Shack.  Again, an electronics friend can
> help you.  
> 
> 4) Meticulously clean a wide mouthed quart canning jar and rinse it out a
> couple times with pure steam distilled water.  Then fill it with a quart of
> the pure steam distilled water.
> 
> 5) Immerse the two silver electrodes into the water, spacing them about two
> inches apart, and ensure only the silver wire contacts the water.  About 24
> hours later, remove the electrodes and use your product.  
> 
> Your product that will be at least as good as that produced by the
> Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator, or any other commercial unit.
> Because the constant current is extremely low, you will produce very tiny
> colloids along with ionic silver solution.  And because production is very
> slow (about 24 hours), no stirring or air bubbling or thermal agitation is
> needed.  Nature does the job for you through natural movement within the
> solution (called Brownian Motion).
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com [mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com]
> On Behalf Of Gidon Kenar
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:14 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>CS Generator
> 
> I'm thinking of buying this Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator from
> here http://thesilveredge.com/aboutmicro.shtml
> Does anybody has experience with this machine?
> 
> Regards
> Gidon 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>CS Generator

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hi Gidon.  I'm happy that you've decided to purchase a generator and make your 
own colloidal silver/EIS -- rather than purchase it.  Good decision.

That generator might be a good one -- I'm not familiar with it, myself -- but 
it's awful expensive.  And unnecessarily so.  My Colloid Master from 
Synergenesis cost less than half of that.  Might be a little more expensive now 
-- I've had mine for about twelve years now.  I know that the Silver Puppy is 
also a good unit -- and it's priced similarly.  Do some more research before 
making your purchase -- that's my advice.  :-)
MA  



>
> From: Gidon Kenar 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 4:13 PM
>Subject: CS>CS Generator
> 
>
>I'm thinking of buying this Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator from
>here http://thesilveredge.com/aboutmicro.shtml
>Does anybody has experience with this machine?
>
>Regards
>Gidon 
>
>
>
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RE: CS>Re: CS>CS Generator

[Judy Knowlton]

I too have a Silver Puppy.  Very happy with it. Always makes satisfactory 
silver.
Judy Down Maine
___
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is a quote from my biography
"Patched, A Spiritual Memoir"
Written by me, "Judy K."
Happily available on Amazon.  
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 From: Chev. John J. Wrobel [mailto:jwrobel0...@oh.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 8:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: CS>CS Generator


You can build your own for a lot less or go with the Silver Puppy, thats what I 
use. I actually purchased both the Silver Edge and the Silver Gen. After a lot 
of research and speaking with Ode Coyote I learned a silver ion is an ion, the 
micro claim is a lot of hooey. A silver ion .001-.005 can be produced with a 
home built unit or the Silver Puppy which gets the job done. And agitating the 
water by introducing air is not a good idea. 
John 

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Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 5:13 pm


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here http://thesilveredge.com/aboutmicro.shtml
Does anybody has experience with this machine?

Regards
Gidon 




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CS>Re: CS>CS Generator

[Chev. John J. Wrobel]

You can build your own for a lot less or go with the Silver Puppy, thats what I 
use. I actually purchased both the Silver Edge and the Silver Gen. After a lot 
of research and speaking with Ode Coyote I learned a silver ion is an ion, the 
micro claim is a lot of hooey. A silver ion .001-.005 can be produced with a 
home built unit or the Silver Puppy which gets the job done. And agitating the 
water by introducing air is not a good idea. 
John 

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Subject: CS>CS Generator
Date: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 5:13 pm


I'm thinking of buying this Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator from
here http://thesilveredge.com/aboutmicro.shtml
Does anybody has experience with this machine?

Regards
Gidon 




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RE: CS>CS Generator - DIY vs Commercial

[Steve]

Gidon and others:

I have no experience with the generator you are asking about, but I do have
many years of engineering experience with my own designs.  Reading their
advertising hype, the $240 Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator looks
like to would produce a good product.  But you can achieve the same results
as claimed for it for a small fraction of the cost.  Here's how: 

1) Buy an LM334Z constant current regulator.  A good source is Jameco.com,
part number LM334Z, cost 79 cents.  The Jameco data sheet which you can
download shows how to use it.  If you don't understand the data sheet, ask
an electronics person to help you.

2) Add one resistor to the LM334Z to set the constant current to be about
0.2 milliamps.   The resistor will be 330 ohms, at a quarter or an eighth
watt.  Radio Shack part 271-1315 or 271-012 will do the job.  

3) Use two 9 volt batteries (total of 18 volts) connected in series with
your constant current regulator and your silver electrodes.  You can make
connections to your batteries and electrodes with small alligator clips and
insulated wire - available at Radio Shack.  Again, an electronics friend can
help you.  

4) Meticulously clean a wide mouthed quart canning jar and rinse it out a
couple times with pure steam distilled water.  Then fill it with a quart of
the pure steam distilled water.

5) Immerse the two silver electrodes into the water, spacing them about two
inches apart, and ensure only the silver wire contacts the water.  About 24
hours later, remove the electrodes and use your product.  

Your product that will be at least as good as that produced by the
Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator, or any other commercial unit.
Because the constant current is extremely low, you will produce very tiny
colloids along with ionic silver solution.  And because production is very
slow (about 24 hours), no stirring or air bubbling or thermal agitation is
needed.  Nature does the job for you through natural movement within the
solution (called Brownian Motion).

Cheers,
Steve




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On Behalf Of Gidon Kenar
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS Generator

I'm thinking of buying this Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator from
here http://thesilveredge.com/aboutmicro.shtml
Does anybody has experience with this machine?

Regards
Gidon 




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RE: CS>CS generator--9 volt battery ????? (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC]

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

With my 1 mill amp controller you can walk away and let it brew.
How long it take is up to your set up.
You can use a night light up against container to make some currents in
water.
I have one of the magnetic stirrers and brew a gallon at a time.
How long it takes varies according to voltage (for start).
Once you have some silver in water voltage drops to maintain 1 mill amp.
You can also shorten time by seeding a new batch, with some from last batch.

Bob


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Re: CS>CS generator--9 volt battery ?????

[Ode Coyote]

 Small batteries will only deliver a certain amount of current...big 
batteries will boil the water when enough silver winds up in it.
 A wall wart will melt down...even catch fire...if it doesn't burn up a 
winding and permanently quit first.


 You actually DO need to control current with ANY source of electricity to 
prevent "runaway" and get an optimal current density on whatever size 
electrodes that are being used.


 Time is such a HUGE variable that just a small difference in the starting 
water will make a big difference in how long it takes to get to a desired 
place..even by several hours.
 Add to that an acceleration curve with no control over current rise as 
conductivity goes up with the addition of silver ions and it's like trying 
to tell when a rock will hit the street when you have no idea how tall a 
building is that it was dropped off of.


 Without going into the effects of overloading the Nernst Diffusion layer 
at the surface of the electrodes
 If you are to have any idea what you have done, to get any sort of 
consistency, you need the instrumentation and/or the control.


 That said, an observant eye is a sort of instrumentation and it can tell 
you *about when* to yank a battery out of the pile to get the current 
down...and when to stop.


BTW
 A series of 3 nines IS a DC unit.
The power is the the exact same as what comes out of a well rectified and 
regulated wall transformer.


Ode

At 04:02 PM 11/16/2009 -0800, you wrote:
OK -- this reminds me of a question I've had on my mind for some 
time.  Why does one need regulating diodes and volt meters in order to use 
a Wall DC unit for making EIS?  I don't understand why you just can't plug 
one in and monitor the time.  Diodes and volt meters aren't required when 
using a series of 9V batteries -- what makes a DC unit different?  MA



From: "Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC" 
<mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil>robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil


You can make a Controlled Current Generator with and Wall  DC power supply
using
a Current Regulating Central Diode they come in various currents 610-1N5297
from Mouser Electronics is for 1 Mill amp
You put this in line with power supply with a volt meter you can measure
voltage (higher as Silver is further apart and lower as you move silver
closer together). It adjust voltage to maintain  mill amp rating..
















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-Original Message-
From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:23 PM
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Can a person buy these parts from like Radio Shack?




From: "Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC" 
<<mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil>robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil>

To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: <mailto:zzekel...@aol.com>zzekel...@aol.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 7:12:25 AM
Subject: RE: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

It was 29.99 at http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm
Breaks into 3 parts battery, 2 silver wires and battery clip with a small
circuit board.
You also have a laser pointer to see the CS.
I made some using this you just have to keep swishing the wires as it tryes
to bridge the close wires.
You could just get a battery where ever you go.
On site you can see picture.
Bob

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From: <mailto:zzekel...@aol.com>zzekel...@aol.com [mailto:zzekel...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:11 AM
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ?

In a message dated 11/13/2009 7:03:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
<mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil>robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil writes:

I bought that new CS generator that works on a single 9 volt battery,
love
it for traveling.


Bob, I must have missed this one How do you make it ===or where can you buy
it---??? Lois


http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator1.htm
<http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm>http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm>http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm>
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RE: CS>CS generator--9 volt battery ?????

[Neville Munn]

My take on it...

 

No reason you can't just plug and play, but the longer it's on the more silver 
is pulled off the electrodes as the water becomes more conductive, closer 
observation is required so it doesn't get out of control.  A resistor in the 
circuit does away with the time watching TO A POINT, I still remove electrodes 
to wipe clean every 30 minutes when the timer goes off, no big deal with me, 
not like I got anywhere else I have to be while in production.

 

Volt meters and the like only make my process more complicated, I don't need 
them, a resistor to limit current, an LED light in the circuit so I know 
everying is working when electrodes are submerged, and a timer set on the side 
and jobs done for me.

 

N.
 


Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:02:30 -0800
From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>CS generator--9 volt battery ?





OK -- this reminds me of a question I've had on my mind for some time.  Why 
does one need regulating diodes and volt meters in order to use a Wall DC unit 
for making EIS?  I don't understand why you just can't plug one in and monitor 
the time.  Diodes and volt meters aren't required when using a series of 9V 
batteries -- what makes a DC unit different?  MA   





From: "Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC" robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil

You can make a Controlled Current Generator with and Wall  DC power supply
using
a Current Regulating Central Diode they come in various currents 610-1N5297
from Mouser Electronics is for 1 Mill amp
You put this in line with power supply with a volt meter you can measure
voltage (higher as Silver is further apart and lower as you move silver
closer together). It adjust voltage to maintain  mill amp rating..

  














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From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:23 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Can a person buy these parts from like Radio Shack?




From: "Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: zzekel...@aol.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 7:12:25 AM
Subject: RE: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

It was 29.99 at http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm
Breaks into 3 parts battery, 2 silver wires and battery clip with a small
circuit board.
You also have a laser pointer to see the CS.
I made some using this you just have to keep swishing the wires as it tryes
to bridge the close wires.
You could just get a battery where ever you go.
On site you can see picture.
Bob

-Original Message-
From: zzekel...@aol.com [mailto:zzekel...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:11 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ?

In a message dated 11/13/2009 7:03:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil writes:

I bought that new CS generator that works on a single 9 volt battery,
love
it for traveling.


Bob, I must have missed this one How do you make it ===or where can you buy
it---??? Lois


http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator1.htm
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm>
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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Re: CS>CS generator--9 volt battery ?????

[Acmeair]

one does not need anything to regulate a "dc wall unit for making eis. i made mine, using three 9 V wall units, wired in series, that puts out about 28 volts dc, with not load on the unit. i followed that instructions going around on how to figure how much current flow i needed to make 15 to 20 ppm eis. in my unit, i let the current flow untill i read 1.35 ma's on my harbor freight $3.00 volt  meter. if i let it go to about 1.6 ma, a slight twindge of yellow will show up.
 
you could do the same with one 9 volt wall dc unit.  only the elapse time will change.
 
and silver that is assayed at 0.999 ( 3 nines ) is as good as 0. ( 4 nines ).  if you are aware of the difference, i can esplain it to you. take care,  jim
Nov 16, 2009 04:03:46 PM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:


OK -- this reminds me of a question I've had on my mind for some time.  Why does one need regulating diodes and volt meters in order to use a Wall DC unit for making EIS?  I don't understand why you just can't plug one in and monitor the time.  Diodes and volt meters aren't required when using a series of 9V batteries -- what makes a DC unit different?  MA   



From: "Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC" robert.j.medw...@us.army.milYou can make a Controlled Current Generator with and Wall  DC power supplyusinga Current Regulating Central Diode they come in various currents 610-1N5297from Mouser Electronics is for 1 Mill ampYou put this in line with power supply with a volt meter you can measurevoltage (higher as Silver is further apart and lower as you move silvercloser together). It adjust voltage to maintain  mill amp rating..  devorah...@yahoo.com-Original Message-From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:23 PMTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ? (UNCLASSIFIED)Can a person buy these parts from like Radio Shack?From: "Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC" <robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil>To: silver-list@eskimo.comCc: zzekel...@aol.comSent: Fri, November 13, 2009 7:12:25 AMSubject: RE: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ? (UNCLASSIFIED)Classification: UNCLASSIFIEDCaveats: NONEIt was 29.99 at http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htmBreaks into 3 parts battery, 2 silver wires and battery clip with a smallcircuit board.You also have a laser pointer to see the CS.I made some using this you just have to keep swishing the wires as it tryesto bridge the close wires.You could just get a battery where ever you go.On site you can see picture.Bob-Original Message-From: zzekel...@aol.com [mailto:zzekel...@aol.com]Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:11 AMTo: silver-list@eskimo.comSubject: Re: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ?In a message dated 11/13/2009 7:03:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil writes:    I bought that new CS generator that works on a single 9 volt battery,love    it for traveling.    Bob, I must have missed this one How do you make it ===or where can you buyit---??? Loishttp://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator1.htmhttp://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htmhttp://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm>Classification: UNCLASSIFIEDCaveats: NONEClassification: UNCLASSIFIEDCaveats: NONE


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RE: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ????? (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC]

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Subject: CS>Brewing CS

To all  (especially new members)
You can make a Controlled Current Generator with and Wall  DC power supply
using
a Current Regulating Central Diode they come in various currents 610-1N5297
from Mouser Electronics is for 1 Mill amp
You put this in line with power supply with a volt meter you can measure
voltage (higher as Silver is further apart and lower as you move silver
closer together). It adjust voltage to maintain  mill amp rating.
 
  Bob
You could buy parts you need but you would have to know what exactly the
parts are.
Then you would have to hard wire the items, he uses a circuit board.
You could use just a 9 volt battery to battery connector and then to a
couple pieces of silver
With no light. Above is a controlled current CS generator where you can
increase current for increase
In amount of silver in water. Or just increase current for faster brewing of
CS.
When you take a Volt/Ohm meter to measure voltage on a DC wall plug in you
are measuring
Voltage at a no load condition but if you are using a 1 mill amp controller
this is very
Close to no load condition. Example a 12 volt 400 mill amp power supply puts
out 12 volts
At a 400 mill amp load. At 1 mill amp load it could put out anywhere between
16 and 22 volts.
The interesting thing is when measuring the voltage and using a current
limiter you can move 
The silver around closer and further apart and watch the voltage change to
maintain the mill amp
Rating of the current limiter.

Bob














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-Original Message-
From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:23 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Can a person buy these parts from like Radio Shack?




From: "Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: zzekel...@aol.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 7:12:25 AM
Subject: RE: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

It was 29.99 at http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm
Breaks into 3 parts battery, 2 silver wires and battery clip with a small
circuit board.
You also have a laser pointer to see the CS.
I made some using this you just have to keep swishing the wires as it tryes
to bridge the close wires.
You could just get a battery where ever you go.
On site you can see picture.
Bob

-Original Message-
From: zzekel...@aol.com [mailto:zzekel...@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:11 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ?

In a message dated 11/13/2009 7:03:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil writes:

I bought that new CS generator that works on a single 9 volt battery,
love
it for traveling.


Bob, I must have missed this one How do you make it ===or where can you buy
it---??? Lois


http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator1.htm
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm>
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Title: Message


From: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com on behalf of Medwith, Robert 
[robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil]Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 12:24 
PMTo: 'cs'Subject: CS>Brewing CS
To all  
(especially new members)
You can make a 
Controlled Current Generator with and Wall  DC power supply 
using
a Current Regulating 
Central Diode they come in various currents 610-1N5297 from Mouser Electronics 
is for 1 Mill amp
You put this in line 
with power supply with a volt meter you can measure voltage (higher as Silver is 
further apart and lower as you move silver
closer together). It 
adjust voltage to matain  mill amp rating.
 
  
Bob


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Re: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ????? (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Deborah Gerard]

Can a person buy these parts from like Radio Shack?





From: "Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Cc: zzekel...@aol.com
Sent: Fri, November 13, 2009 7:12:25 AM
Subject: RE: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

It was 29.99 at http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm
Breaks into 3 parts battery, 2 silver wires and battery clip with a small
circuit board.
You also have a laser pointer to see the CS.
I made some using this you just have to keep swishing the wires as it tryes
to bridge the close wires.
You could just get a battery where ever you go.
On site you can see picture.
Bob

-Original Message-
From: zzekel...@aol.com [mailto:zzekel...@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:11 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ?

In a message dated 11/13/2009 7:03:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil writes:

    I bought that new CS generator that works on a single 9 volt
battery, love
    it for traveling.
    

Bob, I must have missed this one How do you make it ===or where can you buy
it---??? Lois


http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator1.htm
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


  

RE: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ????? (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC]

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

It was 29.99 at http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm
Breaks into 3 parts battery, 2 silver wires and battery clip with a small
circuit board.
You also have a laser pointer to see the CS.
I made some using this you just have to keep swishing the wires as it tryes
to bridge the close wires.
You could just get a battery where ever you go.
On site you can see picture.
Bob

-Original Message-
From: zzekel...@aol.com [mailto:zzekel...@aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:11 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ?

In a message dated 11/13/2009 7:03:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil writes:

I bought that new CS generator that works on a single 9 volt
battery, love
it for traveling.


Bob, I must have missed this one How do you make it ===or where can you buy
it---??? Lois


http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator1.htm
http://www.atlasnova.com/CSGenerator.htm
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE




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Re: CS> CS generator--9 volt battery ?????

[ZZekelink]

 
In a message dated 11/13/2009 7:03:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil writes:

I bought  that new CS generator that works on a single 9 volt battery, love
it for  traveling.



Bob, I must have missed this one How do you make it  ===or where can you 
buy it---??? Lois

RE: CS>CS generator (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Neville Munn]

This is why I NEVER knock the battery units Bob, I still use them when 
necessary.  Just need to adopt a methodology or system (can't think of the 
right word) when using them and they're fine.  I took a piece out of someone 
recently cos they constantly bag out home units, battery or otherwise.  There's 
a fine line between promoting something...and BS, and I got tired of them 
constantly crossing that line with "ours is the best and home stuff is 
inferior" attitude.  If one knows what one is doing, it's all good stuff.

 

N.
 
> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:15:53 -0500
> From: robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>CS generator (UNCLASSIFIED)
> 
> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
> Caveats: NONE
> 
> Bought one of those new CS generators with a LED light on it powered by a
> single 9 volt battery.
> Bought it for when I travel (as to Mexico).
> It works really sweet and simple, you just have to swish the wires as it
> wants to grow fuzzes between
> The wires and light up the light brighter which is a normal sign that CS is
> getting stronger.
> It will not replace other ones I have but it is nice and simple and
> portable.
> 
> Bob
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> 
> 
  
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Re: CS>CS generator advice?

[Peter Converse]

Hi Kathy,

Welcome to the group! I haven't been around here too long myself. This group is 
a great place to find what you need and then some! I have a Silver Puppy and 
and am very with its performance and the customer support. If you think you 
need a high volume generator there are others available that will produce CS 
quickly in the gallon range as well. Anyone claiming to offer the best may be 
best avoided. Ask questions, research and hang around here for a while and 
you'll pick up a lot. 

blessings,

Peter


From: Cathy Knight 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:16 PM
  Subject: CS>CS generator advice?


  Hello! I am new to this group, having been referred for asking CS questions 
on a health group! I want to buy (or build?) a CS generator, but I am confused 
by all the vendors and their claims to be the best.  I know I want a AC/DC 
(home v. professional) model. Can someone give me some advice about brands?  
   
  I'm not adverse to building one from the plans I've found, but can anyone 
vouch for the efficacy and/or quality?  
   
  Thanks much. I'm sorry to ask a question that I'm sure has gone around, but 
I'm not able to access the archives.


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Re: CS>CS generator advice?

[jlgregel]

Hi Cathy..
Welcome!
I have a SilverGen that I purchased 10 months ago.  I needed the large unit 
because I make cs for a kitten/cat shelter.  I make  5 to 10 gallons a week 
with it and couldn't be happier.  It's very easy to work with and dependable.  
Trem, was helpful with information and the purchasing experience was positive.
If and when the time arrives that I need another unit, it will be ordered 
through SilverGen again.

As a side note on water.  After trying many store brands of distilled water, I 
found that the distilled water sold at Wal-Mart, has been perfect for what we 
need, in quality and price.  

Hope this helps, Lin
Washington State

  - Original Message - 
  From: Cathy Knight 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 7:16 PM
  Subject: CS>CS generator advice?


  Hello! I am new to this group, having been referred for asking CS questions 
on a health group! I want to buy (or build?) a CS generator, but I am confused 
by all the vendors and their claims to be the best.  I know I want a AC/DC 
(home v. professional) model. Can someone give me some advice about brands?  
   
  I'm not adverse to building one from the plans I've found, but can anyone 
vouch for the efficacy and/or quality?  
   
  Thanks much. I'm sorry to ask a question that I'm sure has gone around, but 
I'm not able to access the archives.


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Re: CS>CS generator advice?

[Dee]

Both Silver Puppy and Silvergen are really good brands.  dee

Cathy Knight wrote:
Hello! I am new to this group, having been referred for asking CS 
questions on a health group! I want to buy (or build?) a CS generator, 
but I am confused by all the vendors and their claims to be the best.  
I know I want a AC/DC (home v. professional) model. Can someone give 
me some advice about brands? 
 
I'm not adverse to building one from the plans I've found, but can 
anyone vouch for the efficacy and/or quality? 
 
Thanks much. I'm sorry to ask a question that I'm sure has gone 
around, but I'm not able to access the archives.








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RE: CS>CS generator advice?

[bob Larson]

hi this list has no archives.  it sucks, but list owners choice i guess.

it's not clear to me what you mean "a AC/DC (home v. professional) model".

i believe the most popular (for good reasons) home models are the Silver
Puppy, Silvergen 6 (?), and Colloid Master.

the SPuppy and CM are available in models that run off 12 VDC for
portability, only a bit more $.

there's plenty of ways to get much simpler/cheaper, but there's also good
reasons to not to want to.



  -Original Message-
  From: Cathy Knight [mailto:cwmskni...@hotmail.com]
  Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:16 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CS>CS generator advice?


  Hello! I am new to this group, having been referred for asking CS
questions on a health group! I want to buy (or build?) a CS generator, but I
am confused by all the vendors and their claims to be the best.  I know I
want a AC/DC (home v. professional) model. Can someone give me some advice
about brands?

  I'm not adverse to building one from the plans I've found, but can anyone
vouch for the efficacy and/or quality?

  Thanks much. I'm sorry to ask a question that I'm sure has gone around,
but I'm not able to access the archives.



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Re: CS>CS generator advice?

[Neville]

Hi Cathy, don't know if I should welcome you to the list seeing as I've only 
been here a week of so myself, but who cares, I will anyway...welcome to the 
list!

I make my own units as well and I consider mine produce a product which is 
equal/better to any other units available, (this could be argued I spose).  I 
have sort of reached my own conclusion from information available, and reading 
between the squillions of lines, if my units are any good or not.  As long as 
one tries to produce a product which appears to fall within given parameters as 
researched, then it should be fine.  If you research the net on this subject 
you will soon see what I mean.  Alternatively, as Andy said, just buy one, and 
he's right, they will all tell you that their's is the 'best', I don't 
subscribe to the theory on whose is the 'best', as I don't accept there is a 
'best', only more models with more features, [opinion of course], besides, I 
wouldn't have a clue anyway as I've never 'bought' one as such.

Enjoy your stay here!

Neville.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cathy Knight 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:46 AM
  Subject: CS>CS generator advice?


  Hello! I am new to this group, having been referred for asking CS questions 
on a health group! I want to buy (or build?) a CS generator, but I am confused 
by all the vendors and their claims to be the best.  I know I want a AC/DC 
(home v. professional) model. Can someone give me some advice about brands?  
   
  I'm not adverse to building one from the plans I've found, but can anyone 
vouch for the efficacy and/or quality?  
   
  Thanks much. I'm sorry to ask a question that I'm sure has gone around, but 
I'm not able to access the archives.


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Re: CS>CS generator advice?

[AScottSilver]

Hi again Cathy,

If you are on a budget,  Arnold's kit is $31.50. It includes a meter and a 
laser pointer. That's a tough  price to beat!

http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm

Best  wishes,
Andy



In a message dated 9/9/2008 7:16:51 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
cwmskni...@hotmail.com writes:
Hello! I am new to this group,  having been referred for asking CS questions 
on a health group! I want to buy  (or build?) a CS generator, but I am 
confused by all the vendors and their  claims to be the best.  I know I want a 
AC/DC 
(home v. professional) model.  Can someone give me some advice about brands?  

I'm not  adverse to building one from the plans I've found, but can anyone 
vouch for the  efficacy and/or quality?  

Thanks much. I'm sorry to ask a  question that I'm sure has gone around, but 
I'm not able to access the  archives.



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Re: CS>CS generator advice?

[AScottSilver]

Hi Cathy,

Welcome to the list! I built my  own generator because I like building things 
and it is somewhat more flexible  then a prefabricated one. It is also a lot 
cheaper. If you would rather buy one,  a lot of people seem to like the 
silverpuppy - http://www.silverpuppy.com. It  seems to be reasonably priced and 
is a 
good point of reference as you research  what is available. Of course, 
everyone will tell you the one they sell is the  best.

I hope this helps...
Best wishes,
Andy 

In a message  dated 9/9/2008 7:16:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
cwmskni...@hotmail.com  writes:
Hello! I am new to this group, having been referred for asking CS  questions 
on a health group! I want to buy (or build?) a CS generator, but I am  
confused by all the vendors and their claims to be the best.  I know I want  a 
AC/DC 
(home v. professional) model. Can someone give me some advice about  brands?  

I'm not adverse to building one from the plans I've  found, but can anyone 
vouch for the efficacy and/or quality?   

Thanks much. I'm sorry to ask a question that I'm sure has gone  around, but 
I'm not able to access the archives.






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Re: CS>CS Generator SilverPuppy

[Faith Gagne]

Okay.  I'm not going to go there.  Thanks.  Faith G.


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From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: CS>CS Generator SilverPuppy



Faith Gagne wrote:
Marshall, what kind of a generator do youi have?  If you have told us 
I forgot.  Faith G.
I built it myself, out of a 2 1/2 gallon aquarium kit with a filter pump 
for stiring, a flow meter, magnetic pump, bench power supply, constant 
current circuit, polarity reversing relay, 6X8 inch silver plates, and 2 
55 gallon barrels.


Marshall



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To: 
Sent: Monday, June 23,
2008 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS Generator SilverPuppy



Day Sutton

wrote:

I make a gallon at a time with my SilverPuppy that Ode modified

for me...


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In my last run, I made 935 gallons.  There really is no

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right equipment.

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Re: CS>CS Generator SilverPuppy

[Marshall Dudley]

Faith Gagne wrote:
Marshall, what kind of a generator do youi have?  If you have told us 
I forgot.  Faith G.
I built it myself, out of a 2 1/2 gallon aquarium kit with a filter pump 
for stiring, a flow meter, magnetic pump, bench power supply, constant 
current circuit, polarity reversing relay, 6X8 inch silver plates, and 2 
55 gallon barrels.


Marshall



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2008 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS Generator SilverPuppy



Day Sutton

wrote:

I make a gallon at a time with my SilverPuppy that Ode modified

for me...


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In my last run, I made 935 gallons.  There really is no

limit with the

right equipment.

Marshall


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Re: CS>CS Generator SilverPuppy

[Faith Gagne]

Marshall, what kind of a generator do youi have?  If you have told us I 
forgot.  Faith G.



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Day Sutton wrote:

I make a gallon at a time with my SilverPuppy that Ode modified for me...

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In my last run, I made 935 gallons.  There really is no limit with the 
right equipment.


Marshall


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Re: CS>CS Generator SilverPuppy

[Marshall Dudley]

Day Sutton wrote:

I make a gallon at a time with my SilverPuppy that Ode modified for me...

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In my last run, I made 935 gallons.  There really is no limit with the 
right equipment.


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Re: CS>CS generator HVAC

[Marshall Dudley]

sol wrote:

What is the harmful compound made with HVAC?
If made properly, none.  If there is an arc, then you will get nitric 
acid, and silver nitrate unless made under an inert blanket of gas.


Marshall
Oh, for the archives---HVAC used to be discussed from time to time, 
and the downside was often talked about.
My poor memory is just not up to the task of recalling the details 
accurately, so will some of you more knowledgeable people please 
comment on this?
I feel pretty confident that the consensus of the experts was that 
HVAC was not a good idea.
Marshall? Ode? Mike? Dan? Dan was t hat the focus of your question 
about a spark?

sol



Dan,

the hvac unit i spoke of had an electrode configuration with one flat 
rectangular silver measuring 2" by 1", a thin metal sheet.the 
other electrode was fashioned like a small arrowhead point ... 
thicker silver, perhaps a 1/4" thick,  3/4" at its widest point 
(top)  and 1" from top to point.  Basically it hung from a silver 
wire so that the point of the arrow was just above the water surface 
... but when the current was turned on, the water would elevate 
slightly, forming a vortex cone.  A lightning like electrical charged 
current traveled from the point to the water ... made a neon type 
sound, with the whooshing of the vortex.
the thin sheet electrode was also hung from a wire ... it was 
submerged into the water, with perhaps the top third above the 
water.  This sheet needed to be Brillo padded regularly as the soot 
oxidation collected rather readily when generating a gallon of CS.  
The top of the glass jar with lid would heat up ... i started running 
an aquarium pump to serve as a stirrer or circulating device ... this 
helped reduce the heat buildup.





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Re: CS>CS generator HVAC

[Ode Coyote]

  One problem with HVAC is the possibility of making nitric acid.
It will register on a meter and some who make and sell the stuff don't know 
it, then have a 20 PPM product turn up with 3 tenths PPM silver as dilute 
silver nitrate + dilute nitric acid.


Ode


At 06:12 PM 3/5/2008 -0700, you wrote:


What is the harmful compound made with HVAC?
Oh, for the archives---HVAC used to be discussed from time to time, and 
the downside was often talked about.
My poor memory is just not up to the task of recalling the details 
accurately, so will some of you more knowledgeable people please comment 
on this?
I feel pretty confident that the consensus of the experts was that HVAC 
was not a good idea.
Marshall? Ode? Mike? Dan? Dan was t hat the focus of your question about a 
spark?

sol



Dan,

the hvac unit i spoke of had an electrode configuration with one flat 
rectangular silver measuring 2" by 1", a thin metal sheet.the other 
electrode was fashioned like a small arrowhead point ... thicker silver, 
perhaps a 1/4" thick,  3/4" at its widest point (top)  and 1" from top to 
point.  Basically it hung from a silver wire so that the point of the 
arrow was just above the water surface ... but when the current was 
turned on, the water would elevate slightly, forming a vortex cone.  A 
lightning like electrical charged current traveled from the point to the 
water ... made a neon type sound, with the whooshing of the vortex.
the thin sheet electrode was also hung from a wire ... it was submerged 
into the water, with perhaps the top third above the water.
This sheet needed to be Brillo padded regularly as the soot oxidation 
collected rather readily when generating a gallon of CS.  The top of the 
glass jar with lid would heat up ... i started running an aquarium pump 
to serve as a stirrer or circulating device ... this helped reduce the 
heat buildup.



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Re: CS>CS generator HVAC

[cking001]

On 3/5/2008 8:12:28 PM, sol (sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com) wrote:
> What is the harmful compound made with HVAC?

Using the neon transformer method:

If there was an air gap between the water surface and an electrode,
nitric acid would be created in the humid atmosphere.
Not desirable!

The electrode had to be positioned close enough to the water surface
so that when it was energized, a cone of water would be
electrostatically drawn up to encompass the end of the electrode.

As the process wore on to the end, the water cone will drop and
disengage from the electrode. (Undesirable as nitric acid starts
producing)

Bob came up with the idea of using a carbon dioxide "blanket" to
create an inert atmosphere at the water surface.

My solution was to simply dip the electrode slightly below the water
surface.
Worked OK for me.

I drifted toward Duncan Crow's Pulsed HVDC method by modifying a
microwave oven.
That's what I use now.

Chuck
If a book and a head collide and a hollow sound is heard, is it always
the fault of the book?

> Oh, for the archives---HVAC used to be discussed from time to time, and
> the downside was often talked about.
> My poor memory is just not up to the task of recalling the details
> accurately, so will some of you more knowledgeable people please comment
> on this?
> I feel pretty confident that the consensus of the experts was that HVAC
> was not a good idea.
> Marshall? Ode? Mike? Dan? Dan was t hat the focus of your question about
> a spark?
> sol
> 
> >
> > Dan,
> >
> %


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RE: CS>CS generator HVAC

[bob Larson]

my guess is you were making a lot of silver nitrate.
great way to smurf out.
  -Original Message-
  From: JD Kalloco [mailto:kall...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 3:05 PM
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  Subject: CS>CS generator HVAC


  On you HVAC unit, was there a spark formed at the electrodes?  And if so,
was it above the water level or under it?  Was the entire electrode surface
submerged?

  Dan



  Dan,

  the hvac unit i spoke of had an electrode configuration with one flat
rectangular silver measuring 2" by 1", a thin metal sheet.the other
electrode was fashioned like a small arrowhead point ... thicker silver,
perhaps a 1/4" thick,  3/4" at its widest point (top)  and 1" from top to
point.  Basically it hung from a silver wire so that the point of the arrow
was just above the water surface ... but when the current was turned on, the
water would elevate slightly, forming a vortex cone.  A lightning like
electrical charged current traveled from the point to the water ... made a
neon type sound, with the whooshing of the vortex.
  the thin sheet electrode was also hung from a wire ... it was submerged
into the water, with perhaps the top third above the water.  This sheet
needed to be Brillo padded regularly as the soot oxidation collected rather
readily when generating a gallon of CS.  The top of the glass jar with lid
would heat up ... i started running an aquarium pump to serve as a stirrer
or circulating device ... this helped reduce the heat buildup.

  best regards,

  JD 'Loco.

Re: CS>CS generator HVAC

[sol]

What is the harmful compound made with HVAC?
Oh, for the archives---HVAC used to be discussed from time to time, and 
the downside was often talked about.
My poor memory is just not up to the task of recalling the details 
accurately, so will some of you more knowledgeable people please comment 
on this?
I feel pretty confident that the consensus of the experts was that HVAC 
was not a good idea.
Marshall? Ode? Mike? Dan? Dan was t hat the focus of your question about 
a spark?

sol



Dan,

the hvac unit i spoke of had an electrode configuration with one flat 
rectangular silver measuring 2" by 1", a thin metal sheet.the 
other electrode was fashioned like a small arrowhead point ... thicker 
silver, perhaps a 1/4" thick,  3/4" at its widest point (top)  and 1" 
from top to point.  Basically it hung from a silver wire so that the 
point of the arrow was just above the water surface ... but when the 
current was turned on, the water would elevate slightly, forming a 
vortex cone.  A lightning like electrical charged current traveled 
from the point to the water ... made a neon type sound, with the 
whooshing of the vortex.
the thin sheet electrode was also hung from a wire ... it was 
submerged into the water, with perhaps the top third above the water.  
This sheet needed to be Brillo padded regularly as the soot oxidation 
collected rather readily when generating a gallon of CS.  The top of 
the glass jar with lid would heat up ... i started running an aquarium 
pump to serve as a stirrer or circulating device ... this helped 
reduce the heat buildup.





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RE: CS>CS generator

Keith,

 

The best way to use your 30 volt supply would be to add a constant current
diode in series with one of the wires going to your electrodes.  See
www.mouser.com   and search for J504 and J506.
These are 0,75 mA and 1.4 mA, respectively, and cost $1.62 each.  I would
recommend the lower current one.  It will take longer to "brew" a batch, but
you can probably get away with not needing a stirring mechanism because the
natural thermal gradients will do it for you.

 

Having a constant current means you will generate CS at a constant rate
which means you can use a timer for fairly repeatable results.  Roughly
speaking, you can generate a quart of very fine quality CS with 0.75 mA in
about 8 hours with a strength of 10 to 15 PPM.

 

Then you should buy a Hanna PWT to make sure you have high purity distilled
water to start with.  It should read in the 1 to 4 PPM range, lower being
better.  You can also use the PWT to measure your "brew" to get a rough idea
of how many PPM of silver you add to your distilled water.  I say rough
because the PWT actually measures the conductance of the "brew" which is a
measure of silver ions in the water and only an indirect measure of the
silver particles.

 

With the above, you don't need to use an LED and resistor.

 

--Steve Y.

 

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From: Keithmj [mailto:ke...@keithmj.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:56 PM
To: Silverlist
Subject: CS>CS generator

 

Hi all..Some of my questions have been answered so far but decided to start
over again to see what the group says. I have a Radio Shack 30vdc 1000mA
power supply that I would like to use but I can change my mind, I have 20"
of 12 gauge silver wire. I know that I don't need 1000mA but around 1 mA  so
I need to know how I can get that. I would like to drop the voltage down to
about 18 volts as I heard that it is better to use lower voltage. I really
wanted something that will let me have a constant voltage and milliamps but
I figure it would drop with batteries. I will need a LED and a resistor but
don't know if I need a 1000 ohm or a 2000 ohm resistor or what I will need.
Any info would help. What do others use to make quality CS that they have
made that doesn't use batteries?  I'm going to use the battery setup but
wanted to make a ac to dc generator. Thanks..Keithmj

    

RE: CS>cs generator questions

[Peter M. Stellas]

Kathryn,

If I understand you correctly, a 90 ohm potentiometer hooked up in series
would allow me to vary the resistance from 0 to 90 ohms. Is that correct? Or
is that kiloOhms?

Peter
 


Dear Peter,

It says 150 on it, but it is 2 x 75 ohm units on top
of each other. When I check it with my multimeter, it
says 90 ohms each, so it is actually 180 ohms, not
150.  However, I buy my parts at a surplus store, so
they might not be the top of the line. I have it
hooked up to only one part, so it would be a 90 ohm
potentiometer (variable resistor).

 



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RE: CS>cs generator questions

[bs clayton]

Dear Peter,

It says 150 on it, but it is 2 x 75 ohm units on top
of each other. When I check it with my multimeter, it
says 90 ohms each, so it is actually 180 ohms, not
150.  However, I buy my parts at a surplus store, so
they might not be the top of the line. I have it
hooked up to only one part, so it would be a 90 ohm
potentiometer (variable resistor).

I got a diagram from  somewhere on a current
controlled set up, and went from that. It called for a
100K potentiometer, which you can adjust to control
the current. In the diagram, you just hook it up in
series. So that is what I do, and it works fine, I get
a much better product, but it takes a little more
time, which is fine by me, maybe an extra 30 mintues
per quart, max.

Kathryn

Kathryn,

What is the rating of your variable resistor? If I can
have that 
description
I can search to find one.  Thank you

Peter
 


 

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Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>CS generator

[M. G. Devour]

In this discussion of terminology, please remember that the original 
poster was yet another member from the UK, where "distilled water" is 
*NOT* readily available as it is here. Rather, our previous experience 
is that their nearest equivalent is called by a different name and only 
available (at considerable expense) from "the chemist's."

Many have found the best approach to be buying their own distiller.

Be well,

Mike D.


Ken wrote:
>De-ionized water is pure, usually more pure than distilled...if it's
> good DI water.
>   Chemists use DI water *because* it's pure.
>   Distillation is just one way to remove contaminant ions...one way to
> de-ionize it.  But distilled water only need be pure enough to not foul
> batteries and irons to qualify. It's usually much better than the
> minimum requirements.
>   Reverse Osmosis water can sometimes be good enough, but not 
> usually.  Plain filtered [somehow]..not.
>   Filters can even add contamination to distilled water.
>   Sometimes DI water is called purified water, but the parameters and
> methods required to meet the definitions are more lax, so that depends
> on who is writing the labels.


On 11/23/06, Sandee George wrote: 
> >Hi There - I am sorry to tell you that De-ionized water and
> >steam distilled water are not the same - if you use the di-water you
> >will end up with a mess however do not listen to me try it and see what
> >result you get !!! Regards Sandee

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Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>CS generator

[Ode Coyote]

  De-ionized water is pure, usually more pure than distilled...if it's 
good DI water.

 Chemists use DI water *because* it's pure.
 Distillation is just one way to remove contaminant ions...one way to 
de-ionize it.  But distilled water only need be pure enough to not foul 
batteries and irons to qualify. It's usually much better than the minimum 
requirements.
 Reverse Osmosis water can sometimes be good enough, but not 
usually.  Plain filtered [somehow]..not.

 Filters can even add contamination to distilled water.
 Sometimes DI water is called purified water, but the parameters and 
methods required to meet the definitions are more lax, so that depends on 
who is writing the labels.


Ode


At 06:18 PM 11/23/2006 +, you wrote:

Nope - believe me I'm quite happy to take advice - will keep looking for 
didtilled water if it's necesary.  BTW What happens if you just use 
filtered or purified water. I'm curious to know what I would end up with.


Cheers
Kirsteen


On 11/23/06, Sandee George <oha...@juno.com> wrote:
Hi There - I am sorry to tell you that De-ionized water and steam
distilled water are not the same - if you use the di-water
you will end up with a mess however do not listen to me try it and see
what result you get !!!
Regards
Sandee


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Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>CS generator

[Kirsteen Wright]

Nope - believe me I'm quite happy to take advice - will keep looking for
didtilled water if it's necesary.  BTW What happens if you just use filtered
or purified water. I'm curious to know what I would end up with.

Cheers
Kirsteen


On 11/23/06, Sandee George  wrote:


Hi There - I am sorry to tell you that De-ionized water and steam
distilled water are not the same - if you use the di-water
you will end up with a mess however do not listen to me try it and see
what result you get !!!
Regards
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Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>CS generator

[Sandee George]

Hi There - I am sorry to tell you that De-ionized water and steam
distilled water are not the same - if you use the di-water
you will end up with a mess however do not listen to me try it and see
what result you get !!!
Regards
Sandee


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Re: CS>>CS generator

[Mark S. Siepak]

Plus,  this is a good setup to take camping, put in your 'bug-out' bag, amd
just to know how to do if your home electricity should go out (hurricane,
tornado, earthquake, fire, mudslide, etc)
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Re: CS>CS generator

[Mark S. Siepak]

I check the 9v batteries when the brewing time starts to get long - if you
can touch your tongue to both terminals of the battery and not feel a pretty
good tingle, recycle 'em.

I just had a batch turn grey, it was stored in PETE plastic jug on the stove
when my son made tater tots in  it, which realy got the CS hot. The batch in
the glass jar stayed the same (slightly yellow), but the batch in the PETE
went grey, like there was charcoal in it. I suppose the silver coming out of
ionic state into larger particles? Tasted stronger, but still use it, albeit
the dogs and cats are getting the lion's share of that batch.

Interestingly, when I pour it into the ceramic dog bowl and add tap water,
it will go clear in a few hoursbut I'm not tasting it to see if it is
still potent! Dogs and cats don't seem to mind the flavour...
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RE: CS>cs generator questions

[Peter M. Stellas]

Kathryn,

What is the rating of your variable resistor? If I can have that description
I can search to find one.  Thank you

Peter
 

-Original Message-


There are no stupid questions. A Voltmeter reads
volts, but a multimeter is so much more useful. The
batteries last  a long time. I don't know how long. I
have not run out yet.  

So if you get a multimeter you can keep track of many
parameters of this process, which I like to do. Mine
cost about 30 dollars, and can measure Volts, Ohms,
and Amperes, among other things. You would want one
that can measure amps down to a few milliamps, so you
can check your current strength. If you have fun with
this, you can get a variable resistor (mine was cheap,
under a dollar, I forget how much) in the correct
range, and can set it to keep the current under a set
level, which you can measure with the multimeter
gadget. It just gets attached in series with the wires
with the clips on the ends, and if you have the meter
hooked up in series also, you can read what is going
on. It is really fun.

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Re: CS>Re: Re: CS>CS generator

[Kirsteen Wright]

On 11/22/06, Smitty  wrote:


Kirsteen:
My friend who lives in Weston-Super-Mare, England says:

In England, it's called De-ionized water and comes from the "Chemist"..



Thank You. Tomorrow I'll go and ask for that. Is that the same as purified
water do you know.

Thanks
Kirsteen



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CS>Re: Re: CS>CS generator

[Smitty]

Kirsteen:
My friend who lives in Weston-Super-Mare, England says:

In England, it's called De-ionized water and comes from the "Chemist"..

Smitty


On 11/22/06, Kirsteen Wright  wrote:




On 11/22/06, Mark S. Siepak  wrote:
> I don't understand why you electronics gadget guys insist on making such a
> complicated unit! Three 9v batteries, two jumpers, two silver electrodes,
> and a quart jar.


Well I've got my batteries and silver wire. will pick up crocodile clips
tomorrow but am finding it impossible to get distilled water. I've tried
pharmacies, garages, brewing suppliers and everybody looks at me blankly. I
can get 'purified water' from the pharmacy but I've no idea what it is. they
say it's sterile but not distilled. I can get distilled water on the
internet but the postage is obviously quite a lot. Where do people get
theirs?   What sort of shop. I'm in UK.

Also I know this may be a stupid question but I'd rather sound stupid than
remain ignorant. How do I know when the batteries need changing. How long do
they last?

Many thanks for all the help

Kirsteen

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Re: CS>CS generator

[Barb Radle]

I also use the 9v batters, Does your cs when finished appear cloudy 
sometimes mine even appears gray in color.


   Barb
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From: "Mark S. Siepak" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS generator



I don't understand why you electronics gadget guys insist on making such a
complicated unit! Three 9v batteries, two jumpers, two silver electrodes,
and a quart jar. So you have to watch it, so what? Brew cs while doing
laundry or watching TV, reading, etc. After a few tries, you will have 
some

idea of when to check it so it doesn't turn yellow (which really doesn't
matter, anyway, and I also have no earthly idea why you folks think it
does). The whole idea is to get someone who is curious about CS started, 
so

they can begin to see the benefits!

Sure, once they are convinced of the benefits of CS, if they want to they
can 'go electronic', but I never have - I use old 9v batteries from the
smoke detectors that get changed every year, that would otherwise be 
thrown
away. Also from r/c remotes that no longer have enough range to control 
the

vehicle (bad to get your r/c boat too far out on the pond, then realize it
isn't responding any more, and going toward the spillway!!)

Mark
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world, nor even that it is a reasonable one. The commonest kind of trouble
is that it is nearly reasonable, but not quite. Life is not an 
illogicality,
yet it is a trap for logicians. It looks just a little more mathematical 
and

regular than it is; its' exactitude is obvious; but its' inexactitude is
hidden, its' wildness lies in wait"  --G. K.  Chesterton
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Re: CS>CS generator

[Kirsteen Wright]

On 11/22/06, Mark S. Siepak  wrote:


I don't understand why you electronics gadget guys insist on making such a
complicated unit! Three 9v batteries, two jumpers, two silver electrodes,
and a quart jar.



Well I've got my batteries and silver wire. will pick up crocodile clips
tomorrow but am finding it impossible to get distilled water. I've tried
pharmacies, garages, brewing suppliers and everybody looks at me blankly. I
can get 'purified water' from the pharmacy but I've no idea what it is. they
say it's sterile but not distilled. I can get distilled water on the
internet but the postage is obviously quite a lot. Where do people get
theirs?   What sort of shop. I'm in UK.

Also I know this may be a stupid question but I'd rather sound stupid than
remain ignorant. How do I know when the batteries need changing. How long do
they last?

Many thanks for all the help

Kirsteen

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Re: CS>CS generator

[Mark S. Siepak]

I don't understand why you electronics gadget guys insist on making such a
complicated unit! Three 9v batteries, two jumpers, two silver electrodes,
and a quart jar. So you have to watch it, so what? Brew cs while doing
laundry or watching TV, reading, etc. After a few tries, you will have some
idea of when to check it so it doesn't turn yellow (which really doesn't
matter, anyway, and I also have no earthly idea why you folks think it
does). The whole idea is to get someone who is curious about CS started, so
they can begin to see the benefits!

Sure, once they are convinced of the benefits of CS, if they want to they
can 'go electronic', but I never have - I use old 9v batteries from the
smoke detectors that get changed every year, that would otherwise be thrown
away. Also from r/c remotes that no longer have enough range to control the
vehicle (bad to get your r/c boat too far out on the pond, then realize it
isn't responding any more, and going toward the spillway!!)

Mark
-- 
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world, nor even that it is a reasonable one. The commonest kind of trouble
is that it is nearly reasonable, but not quite. Life is not an illogicality,
yet it is a trap for logicians. It looks just a little more mathematical and
regular than it is; its' exactitude is obvious; but its' inexactitude is
hidden, its' wildness lies in wait"  --G. K.  Chesterton
___

Mark S. Siepak


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Re: CS>CS generator

[Marshall Dudley]

Get a power supply, a wall wart is fine, should cost you about $5 or 
$10.  Get you a motor to do the stirring, or a pump to recirculate the 
water to stir it, should be about $10 or so. A container to put the 
water and electrodes in should be able to be found for no cost.  Pick up 
a constant current diode, you should be able to get it for around $5.   
For the reverse polarity switching, get a cycling relay, such as 
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/itemDetailsRender.shtml?ItemId=1611760064 
which you can get for about $100.


All in all you should be able to build on up for about $125 or so.

Marshall

Kirsteen Wright wrote:
Ok I'd much rather make one than pay $199 plus shipping to the UK if 
it really is simple. How do I go about it, please
 
Kirsteen


 
On 11/19/06, *bs clayton* > wrote:


This is a reply to the person who was not up to making
a unit. That is fine, but it is so easy, it is almost
a no brainer to make a simple battery unit. Then it
only takes an hour or so to make a liter, you have to
watch it the last 20 minutes fairly carefully to see
the ions coming off the silver so you can see when to
stop.

The only part that was  harder was getting the fine
silver wire, which was readily available, but I had to
get it from a jewelry supply store, instead of the
corner hardware store.

I just thought I would encourage you. Also, someone
posted a note saying there are people here on the
group that might put one together for you too.

Kathryn





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Re: CS>CS generator

[Kirsteen Wright]

Ok I'd much rather make one than pay $199 plus shipping to the UK if it
really is simple. How do I go about it, please

Kirsteen


On 11/19/06, bs clayton  wrote:


This is a reply to the person who was not up to making
a unit. That is fine, but it is so easy, it is almost
a no brainer to make a simple battery unit. Then it
only takes an hour or so to make a liter, you have to
watch it the last 20 minutes fairly carefully to see
the ions coming off the silver so you can see when to
stop.

The only part that was  harder was getting the fine
silver wire, which was readily available, but I had to
get it from a jewelry supply store, instead of the
corner hardware store.

I just thought I would encourage you. Also, someone
posted a note saying there are people here on the
group that might put one together for you too.

Kathryn





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Re: CS>CS Generator for Beginners

[M. G. Devour]

Dan writes:
> Generally speaking, one does not expect to get shocked from a DC voltage
> which is approximately 40 volts or lower.
> 
> This is because of the lower voltage level and the generally high 
> resistance of the skin.

Dan's right, but a *little* bit of caution is in order. If your skin is 
wet, from sweat or spilled water for instance, the resistance is lower 
and there can be some injury at lower voltages. Connection to a mucous 
membrane, such as in the mouth, is also a potential hazard.

It requires a circuit, a path from one end of the battery pack, through 
some part of your body, and back to the other end, for any current to 
flow. Don't give it a low resistance path and you won't get shocked.

This is why people who work around electrical and electronic equipment 
develop the habit of working with one hand in their pocket. When you 
find yourself reaching into the chassis with your second hand, little 
mental alarms go off and you think *very* carefully about what you're 
trying to do.

It is entirely possible to use electricity and electrical signals 
safely in and around the body, but knowledge, thought and proper 
precautions must accompany your efforts.

The most important thing you can do is ask questions, just as Pat has 
done. Good job!

Be well,

Mike D.
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Re: CS>CS Generator for Beginners

[Dan Nave]

Generally speaking, one does not expect to get shocked from a DC voltage 
which is approximately 40 volts or lower.


This is because of the lower voltage level and the generally high 
resistance of the skin.


Dan



Pat wrote:

I just found a great set of instructions for making
your own colloidal silver generator.  They recommend
four 9-volt batteries.  It is complete with pictures
for people like me who have never messed with
batteries.  Click at the bottom of each page to go to
the next step.
http://www.silvermedicine.org/basicgenerator.html  


I was wonderingIf you have the batteries all
hooked together and the metal clamps are hooked to the
silver wires, would you get shocked if you touched the
metal parts?

   Pat




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Re: CS>CS Generator

[Debb Bos]

Thank-you it sounded great so I ordered a generator.We will see how it works 
on all the animals and people alikeThank s for letting me Know about the web 
site.

Debb.
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To: 
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: CS>CS Generator



Hi Debb,

E-mail this guy:  Ode Coyote [odecoy...@alltel.net] He'll give you more
info. Just say Ernie from T.O sent you. Everyone on here practically
knows him. :-)He also has a website: www.silverpuppy.com

Regards..E.

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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:20 PM
To: To:
Subject: CS>CS Generator

Hi I have just joined the list.I would like to learn more about CS.

I would

also like to buy a CS generator and looking for good sites.What is the
best
kind to buy any feedback would be very much appreciated.
Debb
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RE: CS>CS Generator

[Yogiboy]

Hi Debb,

E-mail this guy:  Ode Coyote [odecoy...@alltel.net] He'll give you more
info. Just say Ernie from T.O sent you. Everyone on here practically
knows him. :-)He also has a website: www.silverpuppy.com

Regards..E.

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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:20 PM
To: To:
Subject: CS>CS Generator

Hi I have just joined the list.I would like to learn more about CS.I
would 
also like to buy a CS generator and looking for good sites.What is the
best 
kind to buy any feedback would be very much appreciated.
Debb
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Re: CS>CS Generator & the Bio-available Ion vs. Particle Surface Debate

[Garnet]

All I can tell you is that the home made CS works very well for us. The
list archives is full of the same testimonials. 

Experience is the best teacher.

Garnet


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Re: CS>CS Generator & the Bio-available Ion vs. Particle Surface Debate

[Ode Coyote]

The problem is that both sides could well be relatively right. [therefore, relatively well?]

If the generator produces both ions AND particles.?

If it 'worked', what's the difference?  'Worked better' is a moot point when dead microbes aren't relativly dead.

People often ask.."How many PPM should I take?"  The question leaves out too many parameters to have an answer other than 'As many as you have'.

Silver chloride kills germs too...just not as well as ions or particles of pure silver.  But dead is still dead.

No definitive answer is possible when 'all of the above' applies in varying degrees depending on a host of mixed conditions and all the conditions are present in varying degrees.

'It didn't work' leaves one with 2 choices.
1] Do it harder
2] Do something else

Earth motto: Exlaxia Excrementia
If it doesn't work, do it harder TO someone else.

Ode

At 05:14 PM 3/2/2004 -0600, you wrote: 

I'm new here, but let me say that I'm very grateful to have found all of you in one place!  This is my first posting on my first list (hope I do it right).  Many of you are knowledgeable, generous, and helpful and I'm very grateful you take the time out of your busy schedules to share what you know.  Thank you.  I've been taking CS for a couple of years now, from several different sources, and I'm convinced it helped to wipe out my Hep C.  I was very sick before, but not now.  In fact, no one in my family has been to a doctor since we started on it.  Anyway, I've been researching CS online hoping to learn enough to be able to get a good generator to make it at home (I give it away to everyone - family, animals and friends - so it doesn't make a lot of sense to keep buying it at this rate), but I seem to need a little input from those who aren't hoping to make a profit from me.  While reading up on it, 2 totally conflicting theories on CS came up.  From what I can gather, the first camp bases their theory on studies performed outside of the body in laboratory dishes, and they insist that only the surface of silver "particles" effectively kill germs.  They are convinced that silver particles must come into contact with the offensive germ for the CS to be effective and that silver "ions" will interact with salt in our saliva, stomachs and blood to form silver chloride (? - please excuse me if I use an incorrect term) which is useless.  Whereas the second camp believes, especially when dealing with viruses and germs inside of the body, that the bio-availability of silver ions is the one and only thing that makes CS effective, and not the silver particles, because the body is unable to break down the full particles for use (?).  They say that the body makes metallaproteins to keep silver ions from interacting with saline in our bodies and that metalloproteins safely transport silver ions throughout the body to kill offensive germs.  Now, I've been told that home CS generators make only the ionic form of CS by Camp #1, but particles are still produced as well according to the laboratory analysis reports I've seen!  All of the conflicting information has me frozen and can be very intimidating when it's backed up by studies and professors, but I'm beginning to wonder about that, because there is convincing evidence on both sides.  Everyone seems to be selling something and putting out the info that goes with what they're selling (of course)!  So - here I am.  Can you all tell me what, if anything, you've concluded about all of this?  My gut feeling is that  probably any properly made CS is better than none at all, and will do what we need it to, as long as it's made with clean, distilled water (and no salt, baking soda or toxins).  It probably works even when it isn't properly made, it just might take longer and require more.  My gut also tells me that oftentimes, when there are conflicting opinions with each side on very opposing poles, as there seems to be with CS, the truth can lay somewhere in that middle "grey" area where both sides contributed relevant truths, but I'm hoping you all can shed some more light on this for me.  Anyway, can you all also tell me if there is a generator that is very safe, very simple and economical, that produces CS that is clear?   It would be a big plus if there was a lab analysis of the CS the generator produces online as well, but I'm interested in your recommendations regardless.   Thanks, Jodi  
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Re: CS>CS Generator & the Bio-available Ion vs. Particle Surface Debate

[Delmont P Neroni]

I think you will find the majority of people on this and other silver lists 
advocate the use of primarily ionic silver such as you can produce at home with 
either the Silver Puppy or the Silvergen SG6 or SG7.  Ionic silver solutions 
are clearly the safest and are very effective.

The argument between the particulate and ionic camps is ongoing.  I am no 
expert, but I will quote someone who is, and from that you can make your own 
decision:

Del
---

1.  There is no silver in measureable existance smaller than a silver ion,
except the possibility of monoatomic silver.

2.  Different particle sizes do not effect different conditions.
Ogliodynamic properties are soley responsible for silver effectiveness.
Whether or not different sized "particles" reach different areas of the body
is a different question all together.  There is no direct biological
advantage to "larger" particles of silver, under any circumstances.  A
silver ion will always be more effective directly than a silver particle.
Every single study in modern history supports this fact.  There are some
properties to charged particles than may have a different and beneficial
biological effect; this has nothing to do with sizing, but rather, zeta
potential.  Zeta potential is related to particle sizing, and smaller
particles will effect a larger surface area with a greater potential.  This
is beneficial, as far as particles are concerned.  However, no facts have
been documented concerning what these effects are.  As far as anybody knows,
the silver particles may be converted to silver ions "at-site", and it is
the silver ions that are actually being effective, but the initial
particulate form which allowed biological delivery.  There is a precidence
for this:  Silverlon wound care dressing.  The minute "energetic" properties
of the different states of silver cannot be ignored.  Unfortunately, they as
of yet cannot be directly correlated with a biological response.  Direct
Current can and has.  There is no reason to assume that colloids and ionic
solutions are any different. But it is important to keep the "theories" in
proper perspective:  Theories.

There are alot of opinions on the benefit of particulate silver, and very
little documented data to support claims.  I do believe some of the
ascertations are correct.  I believe having a "mix" of both ions and the
smallest possible particles is certainly advantageous.  I believe we reach a
point very quickly where the debate is simply splitting hairs, as far as
biological effectiveness is concerned.

HVAC sounds like a great idea, but it has been my experience that few
companies truly create a superior product via the high voltage method.  I've
never liked how the particles tend to clump together with HVAC.   I prefer a
product with proper particle dispersion, examples being TEM's from Natural
Immunogenics, and Trem's Silvergens.

We have no basis to compare products based on sales-focused terminology; we
require a TEM, AAS, and ideally an antibacterial time-kill study.  These
three measurements, when compared with other products, give a fantastic
basis for evaluating CS.  We expect a high particulate silver to perform
poorly against pathogens ( as compared with ionic silver ), as every test
we've seen has detailed.  This does not negate the potential benefit of
silver particles. Particles are more "chemically" stable in the body.  We've
never had, as an example, a report of Mesosilver being innefective in
comparison to ionic silver.  It's hard to speculate on the differences
between particles and ions, as they perform in the human body.

For home brewers with good CS generators, keeping the PPM relatively
reasonable ( in the 5-10PPM range ) will, we believe, produce a product that
is very effective.  I would never buy into a sales pitch pushing HVAC
without hard data being displayed.  As an example, 'ole Bob has excellent
data on his methods of CS production.  If a company is not displaying any of
this information, they either don't know what they have, or don't want you
to know what they have:  They want to you have their sales pitch, which is
NEVER in your best interest, and ALWAYS in theirs.  Their theorizing may or
may not be accurate, and theorizing should be presented in a manner
consistant with "theory" and not "fact".

The public, it is my opinion, should not settle for less than accurate
information that is presented in an authentic manner.

If they state that fulvic acid and silver is better, then they should simply
demonstrate it, which is not difficult to do; not only would their
constituents be happy ( so to speak ), but it would be good to avoid
potential problems with the FTC.

Best Regards,

Jason

Re: CS>CS generator

[Stuff]

Thanks, Mike.

At 02:40 PM 10/8/2003 -0400, you wrote:

url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63229.html
Re: CS>CS generator
From: Robert Berger
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:39:55

  > Stuff wrote:

  >> I'd like  to know how your salt test can easily tell  CS strength
  >> within 5 ppm AND be a "very subjective" test.

  >> What quantities of salt are needed to test what quantities  of CS
  >> and then with each given quantity what is the ppm?

  > Stuff,

  > You are dreaming. The salt test is very subjective. Get an  ISE or
  > spectrophotometer test so that you know what you have.

  > "Ole Bob:

  Hi Stuff,

  First of all, you really don't need to send your cs to a  lab unless
  you are producing it commercially.

  If you  are young and healthy, it really doesn't matter how  good or
  bad the  cs  is. Many people have obtained great  benefit  with  a 3
  nines generator  despite  huge  variations  in  quality  of  the dw,
  electrode length  and placement, variability in brew  times, battery
  voltage, and so on. It works fine to kill bacteria, help  heal minor
  cuts, and even some of the weaker viruses.

  The salt  test  is ideal in these circumstances to  show  you indeed
  have cs, and to give an idea how strong it is.

  I posted a brief table a while ago that gives a rough guide. This is
  in 10  ppm  increments, but you can easily  interpolate  between the
  readings and judge the concentration within 5 ppm:

http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61467.html

  Since then,  I discovered Bob Lee's Faraday calculations,  and found
  how useful Mercury is to calculate the amount of silver liberated.

  I also  realized it would be possible to measure the  time  it takes
  for the  dispersion  to  appear,  which  would  give  more objective
  information on the amount of silver present. I have not had  time to
  run through  the  process in small increments, but  it  would vastly
  increase the usefulness of the test.

  It is  really not necessary to send you cs to a  lab,  especially if
  you are  young and healthy. It won't tell you much  about variations
  in your  process,  where  the salt test can be  used  daily  at very
  little cost.

  If you  do decide to get an analysis, make sure you use  a  lab that
  has demonstrated competence in this field.

  One good  way to verify is to check the correlation  between  uS and
  ppm. As  Trem, Frank, Ivan, and Ken agree, there should  be  a close
  correlation between these two parameters.

  Right now,  Frank's analysis looks to be the best available.  He has
  published reports on various products on his web site, and they show
  that he knows how to get accurate measurements.

  He also  has  NIST traceability, which is  necessary  to  ensure his
  calibration references remain accurate.

  But most people have never sent their cs to a lab. There's really no
  need, especially  if you are using one of the  better  cs generators
  discussed here.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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Re: CS>CS generator

[Mike Monett]

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Re: CS>CS generator
From: Robert Berger
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 07:39:55

  > Stuff wrote:

  >> I'd like  to know how your salt test can easily tell  CS strength
  >> within 5 ppm AND be a "very subjective" test.

  >> What quantities of salt are needed to test what quantities  of CS
  >> and then with each given quantity what is the ppm?

  > Stuff,

  > You are dreaming. The salt test is very subjective. Get an  ISE or
  > spectrophotometer test so that you know what you have.

  > "Ole Bob:

  Hi Stuff,

  First of all, you really don't need to send your cs to a  lab unless
  you are producing it commercially.

  If you  are young and healthy, it really doesn't matter how  good or
  bad the  cs  is. Many people have obtained great  benefit  with  a 3
  nines generator  despite  huge  variations  in  quality  of  the dw,
  electrode length  and placement, variability in brew  times, battery
  voltage, and so on. It works fine to kill bacteria, help  heal minor
  cuts, and even some of the weaker viruses.

  The salt  test  is ideal in these circumstances to  show  you indeed
  have cs, and to give an idea how strong it is.

  I posted a brief table a while ago that gives a rough guide. This is
  in 10  ppm  increments, but you can easily  interpolate  between the
  readings and judge the concentration within 5 ppm:

http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61467.html

  Since then,  I discovered Bob Lee's Faraday calculations,  and found
  how useful Mercury is to calculate the amount of silver liberated.

  I also  realized it would be possible to measure the  time  it takes
  for the  dispersion  to  appear,  which  would  give  more objective
  information on the amount of silver present. I have not had  time to
  run through  the  process in small increments, but  it  would vastly
  increase the usefulness of the test.

  It is  really not necessary to send you cs to a  lab,  especially if
  you are  young and healthy. It won't tell you much  about variations
  in your  process,  where  the salt test can be  used  daily  at very
  little cost.

  If you  do decide to get an analysis, make sure you use  a  lab that
  has demonstrated competence in this field.

  One good  way to verify is to check the correlation  between  uS and
  ppm. As  Trem, Frank, Ivan, and Ken agree, there should  be  a close
  correlation between these two parameters.

  Right now,  Frank's analysis looks to be the best available.  He has
  published reports on various products on his web site, and they show
  that he knows how to get accurate measurements.

  He also  has  NIST traceability, which is  necessary  to  ensure his
  calibration references remain accurate.

  But most people have never sent their cs to a lab. There's really no
  need, especially  if you are using one of the  better  cs generators
  discussed here.
 
Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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Re: CS>CS generator

[Robert Berger]

Stuff,

You are dreaming. The salt test is very subjective. Get an ISE or
spectrophotometer test so that you know what you have.

"Ole Bob:

Stuff wrote:

> I'd like to know how your salt test can easily tell CS strength within 5 ppm
> AND be a "very subjective" test.
>
> What quantities of salt are needed to test what quantities of CS and then
> with each given quantity what is the ppm?
>


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Re: CS>CS generator

[Stuff]

I'd like to know how your salt test can easily tell CS strength within 5 ppm
AND be a "very subjective" test.

What quantities of salt are needed to test what quantities of CS and then
with each given quantity what is the ppm?

At 05:22 PM 10/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:

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CS>CS generator
From: Trem
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:44:14

  > Mike,

  > I guess  when you're broke anything seems expensive. The PWT  is a
  > precision device and is really not expensive at all.

  > It is  also  NOT difficult to know if it  is  calibrated properly.
  > Just put the meter into a small amount of calibration solution and
  > if it  doesn't  read  the   proper  number,  just  take  the small
  > screwdriver which  is supplied with the meter and adjust  it. That
  > isn't rocket science. Little old grandmothers and teens do all the
  > time.

  > Come on.  using  salt to tell PPM is just  about  the  same as
  > saying how high is up. It's too subjective.

  > Trem

  Hi Trem,

  There are  plenty of posts in the archives discussing  problems with
  the PWT  and getting it calibrated. Some people have  even discarded
  theirs. How do you verify the calibration solution is still good?

  After collecting  data from you, Frank, and Ivan, I'm  now convinced
  it is  a very valuable instrument, and I plan to get one  soon. Then
  I'll attack the calibration issue.

  The salt test is very subjective, as you say. It's a quick test when
  nothing else is available, and it can easily tell the ppm in about 5
  ppm increments.  Often, that's good enough to tell if  something has
  gone wrong with the process, or to see a change after adding H2O2 or
  vinegar to the cs.

  Or see if the Hanna has gone haywire:)

  We need  all  the crosschecks we can get  to  confirm  everything is
  working properly.  I'm  now converted to the Hanna,  thanks  to your
  information. But  I'll  continue  using the  salt  test  when  it is
  appropriate.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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Re: CS>CS generator

[Jack Dayton]

Lynda Khula   10/6/03 10:18 AM  Wrote:

>my silver now, is never yellow and
>before using this it was, is this a good thing (?)

YES !

Jack

Be Nice 

Re: CS>CS generator

[Mike Monett]

url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63112.html
CS>CS generator
From: Trem
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:44:14

  > Mike,

  > I guess  when you're broke anything seems expensive. The PWT  is a
  > precision device and is really not expensive at all.

  > It is  also  NOT difficult to know if it  is  calibrated properly.
  > Just put the meter into a small amount of calibration solution and
  > if it  doesn't  read  the   proper  number,  just  take  the small
  > screwdriver which  is supplied with the meter and adjust  it. That
  > isn't rocket science. Little old grandmothers and teens do all the
  > time.

  > Come on.  using  salt to tell PPM is just  about  the  same as
  > saying how high is up. It's too subjective.

  > Trem

  Hi Trem,

  There are  plenty of posts in the archives discussing  problems with
  the PWT  and getting it calibrated. Some people have  even discarded
  theirs. How do you verify the calibration solution is still good?

  After collecting  data from you, Frank, and Ivan, I'm  now convinced
  it is  a very valuable instrument, and I plan to get one  soon. Then
  I'll attack the calibration issue.

  The salt test is very subjective, as you say. It's a quick test when
  nothing else is available, and it can easily tell the ppm in about 5
  ppm increments.  Often, that's good enough to tell if  something has
  gone wrong with the process, or to see a change after adding H2O2 or
  vinegar to the cs.

  Or see if the Hanna has gone haywire:)

  We need  all  the crosschecks we can get  to  confirm  everything is
  working properly.  I'm  now converted to the Hanna,  thanks  to your
  information. But  I'll  continue  using the  salt  test  when  it is
  appropriate.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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Re: CS>CS generator

[Robert Berger]

Hi Lynda,

The old saying is, if it works don't fix it.
Marsha's instructions have helped a lot of people.. Use your CS and be
happy.

"Ole Bob"

Lynda Khula wrote:

> recently wrote a question for the list,,, here goes again hope someone
> can answer, bought a generator from radio shack to make my silver as
> told on the list by marsha I think and my silver now, is never yellow
> and before using this it was, is this a good thingthanksLynda


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Re: CS>CS generator

[Mike Monett]

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Re: CS>CS generator
From: Lynda Khula
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 10:22:24

  > recently wrote  a  question for the list,,, here  goes  again hope
  > someone can answer, bought a generator from radio shack to make my
  > silver as told on the list by marsha I think and my silver now, is
  > never yellow and before using this it was, is this a good thing

  > thanks
  > Lynda

  Hi Lynda,

  As you  discovered,  a  slight tint is a  good  indication  that the
  generator is  working properly. It is possible to make  high quality
  cs that is clear, which is what the advanced users strive for.

  But clear could also mean the generator is not working, and you just
  have plain distilled water.

  Advanced users measure the ppm with a Hanna PWT (Pure Water Tester).
  This gives  the  ppm  directly,  but  it  is  expensive  and  may be
  difficult to know if it is calibrated properly.

  There is  a  simple test you can do to see if  any  silver  ions are
  present in your solution.

  Pour about  1 inch in a small glass, let it sit for five  minutes to
  settle, then  add two or three shakes of salt. Watch it for  a while
  to see  what  happens.  You should see something  by  the  time five
  minutes have  elapsed. You might have to adjust the lighting  to see
  anything if the concentration is very weak.

  The salt combines with the silver ions to form silver chloride. This
  shows up as a pale blue dispersion that gets progressively whiter as
  the concentration increases.

  The reaction also speeds up. With a high concentration, white clouds
  appear almost immediately.

  This will  give you a rough idea if silver ions are  present  in the
  solution, and approximately how strong your cs is.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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Re: CS>CS generator

[Lynda Khula]

recently wrote a question for the list,,, here goes again hope someone can 
answer, bought a generator from radio shack to make my silver as told on the 
list by marsha I think and my silver now, is never yellow and before using this 
it was, is this a good thing
thanks
Lynda

- Original Message - 
  From: sol 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:49 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>CS generator


  Christine,
 http://www.silvergen.com/

  and

  http://www.silverpuppy.com/current%20controlled%20CS%20generator.html

  both sell generators that will work on 220 volts---silvergen makes a special 
model, I believe, and silverpuppy sells an inexpensive adaptor.
  HTH,
  paula
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From: Christine Wyndham-Thomas 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:05 AM
Subject: CS>CS generator


Hi

I'm from the UK.  Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase a 
generator from with full instructions on how to make your own Colloidal Silver?


Christine Wyndham-Thomas
www.dogsonholiday-uk.com




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Re: CS>CS generator

[sol]

Christine,
   http://www.silvergen.com/

and

http://www.silverpuppy.com/current%20controlled%20CS%20generator.html

both sell generators that will work on 220 volts---silvergen makes a special 
model, I believe, and silverpuppy sells an inexpensive adaptor.
HTH,
paula
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:05 AM
  Subject: CS>CS generator


  Hi

  I'm from the UK.  Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase a 
generator from with full instructions on how to make your own Colloidal Silver?


  Christine Wyndham-Thomas
  www.dogsonholiday-uk.com



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Re: CS>CS generator

[tdg39]

www.silverpuppy.com
Great product, great price.
Be Well and Prosper,
Terry
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:05 AM
  Subject: CS>CS generator


  Hi

  I'm from the UK.  Does anyone know where I might be able to purchase a 
generator from with full instructions on how to make your own Colloidal Silver?


  Christine Wyndham-Thomas
  www.dogsonholiday-uk.com



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Re: CS>CS Generator

[Trem]

Try this.

 http://www.silvergen.com/ppm.htm

Trem


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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:59 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>CS Generator


  Kathie wrote:

   < I don't have a way to check PPM... >

Where are you Trem ? I need one myself, urgently.I emailed you sometime 
ago on the same subject.

  With regards
  Lew

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 1:35 AM
Subject: CS>CS Generator


Hi all...
For @$7.00 we found a 2 qt Pyrex pitcher with a plastic cover at Walmart... 
We put 2 holes in the lid about 5" apart, suspended the silver wire into 2 qts 
of distilled water and attached alligator clips to the silver wires on top of 
the pitcher. We then placed 3 9v batteries together in series to form the 
connection. 

To connect the batteries required 3 9v battery connectors...Radio 
Shack.com...cheap... 
They're soldered together 'in series'... To do this solder 1 black 
alligator clip to the first black wire...solder the red wire to the black wire 
of the next connector...then repeat soldering the red wire of the final 
connector to the red alligator clip... If you don't solder plastic connectors 
available to attach the wires...

When the alligator clips are connected to the silver wires poking through 
the plastic top...remember not to let the silver wires touch. By touching they 
will short, the batteries will overheat and possibly cause a fire... and the CS 
process stops.

Also at Walmart is a cheap aquarium pump...under $7.00 and a stone aerator 
and plastic hose for @ $2.00. Place the aerator in the the pour spout of the 
Pyrex pitcher with the plastic tubing connected to the pump...Then plug in the 
pump to create air bubbles...

We usually run this process for @ 5hours... Less now that we have CS to 
'seed' our next batch.

I don't have a way to check PPM, but our CS is clear with slight metallic 
taste... seems to work fine...and the Pyrex pitcher has a handy pour spout 
which is a real plus. We save our CS in glass mason jars. I put them in the 
cabinet, but thanks to "Ole Bob", I don't worry anymore that the jars are 
clear...thanks...Bob!

Someone mentioned an inexpensive device to measure PPM...I'd appreciate 
that information again...And thanks to everyone on this for all the great 
information!

Comments to improve our process are welcome. 
Kathie

Re: CS>CS Generator

[Ode Coyote]

That is the hard way to connect 9v batteries.


 Just snap them together and connect the remaining two ends to the silver 
wires with double ended alligator test leads.

 No cutting or soldering required.
Ken


To connect the batteries required 3 9v battery connectors...Radio 
Shack.com...cheap...
They're soldered together 'in series'... To do this solder 1 black 
alligator clip to the first black wire...solder the red wire to the black 
wire of the next connector...then repeat soldering the red wire of the 
final connector to the red alligator clip... If you don't solder plastic 
connectors available to attach the wires...



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Re: CS>CS Generator

[FHLew]

Kathie wrote:

 < I don't have a way to check PPM... >

  Where are you Trem ? I need one myself, urgently.I emailed you sometime 
ago on the same subject.

With regards
Lew

  - Original Message - 
  From: soundba...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 1:35 AM
  Subject: CS>CS Generator


  Hi all...
  For @$7.00 we found a 2 qt Pyrex pitcher with a plastic cover at Walmart... 
We put 2 holes in the lid about 5" apart, suspended the silver wire into 2 qts 
of distilled water and attached alligator clips to the silver wires on top of 
the pitcher. We then placed 3 9v batteries together in series to form the 
connection. 

  To connect the batteries required 3 9v battery connectors...Radio 
Shack.com...cheap... 
  They're soldered together 'in series'... To do this solder 1 black alligator 
clip to the first black wire...solder the red wire to the black wire of the 
next connector...then repeat soldering the red wire of the final connector to 
the red alligator clip... If you don't solder plastic connectors available to 
attach the wires...

  When the alligator clips are connected to the silver wires poking through the 
plastic top...remember not to let the silver wires touch. By touching they will 
short, the batteries will overheat and possibly cause a fire... and the CS 
process stops.

  Also at Walmart is a cheap aquarium pump...under $7.00 and a stone aerator 
and plastic hose for @ $2.00. Place the aerator in the the pour spout of the 
Pyrex pitcher with the plastic tubing connected to the pump...Then plug in the 
pump to create air bubbles...

  We usually run this process for @ 5hours... Less now that we have CS to 
'seed' our next batch.

  I don't have a way to check PPM, but our CS is clear with slight metallic 
taste... seems to work fine...and the Pyrex pitcher has a handy pour spout 
which is a real plus. We save our CS in glass mason jars. I put them in the 
cabinet, but thanks to "Ole Bob", I don't worry anymore that the jars are 
clear...thanks...Bob!

  Someone mentioned an inexpensive device to measure PPM...I'd appreciate that 
information again...And thanks to everyone on this for all the great 
information!

  Comments to improve our process are welcome. 
  Kathie