Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Richard
I have heard this from the time I was a young child. It is true that soap residue can flavor the pan, that said I have occasionally used a dilute soap solution without this effect so it may depend on the kind and concentration, as well as if it is allowed to soak or heavily scrubbed. Iron is given off when cooking in cast iron so if one is concerned about too much iron then it should not be used. Also do not cook acidic foods like tomatoes in cast iron. It reacts with the iron. Not sure if it takes the coating off, or just puts too much iron in your food. Garnet On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 03:00, kent wrote: > Richard I also use cast-iron frying pans. It is my understanding you're not > to use soap. Only hot water. My cast-iron pan was cured using oil. I was > told that the soap takes off the oil coating. Anyone else hear this? > Kent (I apologize Mike for my earlier political comment) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Richard
Richard I also use cast-iron frying pans. It is my understanding you're not to use soap. Only hot water. My cast-iron pan was cured using oil. I was told that the soap takes off the oil coating. Anyone else hear this? Kent (I apologize Mike for my earlier political comment) - Original Message - From: "Richard Harris" To: Cc: "Richard Harris" Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:59 AM Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Hi Jonathan, Thank you for all the good, helpful information you continually share with 'us seekers!" At age 81, I have been reared with cast-iron cookware that is cured by burning the inside over a fire, until it get coated. Upon use, we wash with hot soapy water and wipe with the wet dish cloth, allowing it to air-dry--My Mom cautioned--"Do Not Rinse soapy water off, or the pan will rust". Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. My two cents worth: in Japan the iron Nanbu testsu kettles are revered for their beneficial health effects. These may have been more pronounced in previous decades and centuries when anemia was more likely. I have a nutritionist friend (phD), who believes that in fact the ferrous minerals from these teapots is bio-available and beneficial. I suppose, though, that only a blood test would tell for sure. JBB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
I was wondering about that. I had some cast iron pans I washed with soap (well liquid dish detergent) and it ruined them. could never get the soapy taste out of them, it transferred right into foods ever after, or certainly longer than I was willing to put up with. Maybe Richard's mother used real soap, and not detergent? My current cast iron fry pans and dutch oven get scrubbed with hot water and salt or cornmeal, and rinsed, and perhaps re-seasoned every few years. sol Ode Coyote wrote: She washed her cast iron with soap? NEVER! Well, maybe a pot, then wipe it down with oil, but never a fry pan or griddle. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
She washed her cast iron with soap? NEVER! Well, maybe a pot, then wipe it down with oil, but never a fry pan or griddle. Ode At 10:59 AM 11/2/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Jonathan, >Thank you for all the good, helpful information you continually share with >'us seekers!" >At age 81, I have been reared with cast-iron cookware that is cured by >burning the inside over a fire, until it get coated. Upon use, we wash with >hot soapy water and wipe with the wet dish cloth, allowing it to air-dry--My >Mom cautioned--"Do Not Rinse soapy water off, or the pan will rust". >Sincerely, > >___ >Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist >448 West Juniata Street >Clermont, FL 34711 >www.rharrisinc.com >www.myseahealth.com/reh >http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com > > > >-Original Message- >From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] >Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:59 PM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > >My two cents worth: in Japan the iron Nanbu testsu kettles are revered >for their beneficial health effects. These may have been more >pronounced in previous decades and centuries when anemia was more >likely. I have a nutritionist friend (phD), who believes that in >fact the ferrous minerals from these teapots is bio-available and >beneficial. I suppose, though, that only a blood test would tell >for sure. > >JBB > > > > > > > > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Our method was to heat the pan after use and add a little oil, then wipe clean with a hand full of paper towels. In the good old days we used news paper but I don't think the ink was all that safe for ingestion. We seldom ever washed cast iron but if it was necessary we used the oil trick after washing. Dave Richard Harris wrote: Hi Jonathan, Thank you for all the good, helpful information you continually share with 'us seekers!" At age 81, I have been reared with cast-iron cookware that is cured by burning the inside over a fire, until it get coated. Upon use, we wash with hot soapy water and wipe with the wet dish cloth, allowing it to air-dry--My Mom cautioned--"Do Not Rinse soapy water off, or the pan will rust". Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. My two cents worth: in Japan the iron Nanbu testsu kettles are revered for their beneficial health effects. These may have been more pronounced in previous decades and centuries when anemia was more likely. I have a nutritionist friend (phD), who believes that in fact the ferrous minerals from these teapots is bio-available and beneficial. I suppose, though, that only a blood test would tell for sure. JBB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
Hi Jonathan, Thank you for all the good, helpful information you continually share with 'us seekers!" At age 81, I have been reared with cast-iron cookware that is cured by burning the inside over a fire, until it get coated. Upon use, we wash with hot soapy water and wipe with the wet dish cloth, allowing it to air-dry--My Mom cautioned--"Do Not Rinse soapy water off, or the pan will rust". Sincerely, ___ Richard Harris, 57 Year FL Pharmacist 448 West Juniata Street Clermont, FL 34711 www.rharrisinc.com www.myseahealth.com/reh http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:59 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. My two cents worth: in Japan the iron Nanbu testsu kettles are revered for their beneficial health effects. These may have been more pronounced in previous decades and centuries when anemia was more likely. I have a nutritionist friend (phD), who believes that in fact the ferrous minerals from these teapots is bio-available and beneficial. I suppose, though, that only a blood test would tell for sure. JBB -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
Yes, iron overload is a very serious problem and it's disease, hemochromotosis (HH), is undiagnosed in many many, people, especially those with any Celtic background my sister and nephew have regular phlebotomies to keep the iron under control... undiagnosed hemochromotosis can cause death in many unpleasant ways, each having their own names such as diabetes, heart disease, cirrhosis and other diseases of organs... it is one of the most undiagnosed genetic problem we have.. Lagoon ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: 11/01/04 19:44:20 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Mike, Anyone with hep. C must avoid iron. The virus replicates in iron in the liver. They should avoid all iron. They must switch to bottled water or another alternative. Adie >>> mdev...@eskimo.com 11/1/2004 6:38:32 PM >>> Ken wrote: > Iron is not generally a health problem. In most of it's forms, it's not > very bioavailable. The well water around here is sometimes brown with > iron and has caused no problems in all the hundreds of years of people > drinking it ...except for staining the laundry and sinks etc and tasting > nasty. I suppose that's true, however we men have a particular problem with stored iron from our diet, and any additional intake is likely to aggravate the situation. Post-menopausal women will also start storing more iron than they need. Giving blood regularly will gradually lower blood ferritin levels, which is an indirect measure of stored iron levels. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <>
Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
What about the old Wagner-Ware cast iron frying pans. They were supposed to be beneficial also, but are very hard to find now. Sally "Jonathan B. Britten" wrote: My two cents worth: in Japan the iron Nanbu testsu kettles are revered for their beneficial health effects. These may have been more pronounced in previous decades and centuries when anemia was more likely. I have a nutritionist friend (phD), who believes that in fact the ferrous minerals from these teapots is bio-available and beneficial. I suppose, though, that only a blood test would tell for sure. JBB On Monday, Nov 1, 2004, at 22:03 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote: > The rainbow effect is due to heating. When drawing the temper on any > steel, the color of the rainbow can be used to determine the > temperature of > the draw starting with a straw or golden color and going to purple. > With a > uniform temperature , you get solid colors. Stove top heating isn't > uniform. The effect shows up better on stainless due to a better > contrast. > Artists in my neighborhood who make stainless steel sculptures use > that > effect to color their work. Solid colors are done in a big oven, > while non > solid colors are done with a torch and look like they were painted on. > The coloring does not affect the integrity of the steel though some > oxidation of the surface is likely. > Were it a high carbon heat treatable steel that had been heated to > critical > and quenched to harden it, the purple areas would be drawn softer than > the > golden areas. > > Iron is not generally a health problem. In most of it's forms, it's > not > very bioavailable. The well water around here is sometimes brown with > iron > and has caused no problems in all the hundreds of years of people > drinking > it ...except for staining the laundry and sinks etc and tasting nasty. > > Various compounds of chromium as found in chrome plating baths can be > very > poisonous but the chromium in stainless steel is locked up in the iron > really well and not likely to make those compounds. > Both nickle and chromium are highly resistant to making spontaneous > compounds which is why they are used to make stainless steel stainless > and > plated over steel to prevent corrosion. > > Ode > > At 09:04 AM 10/31/2004 -0700, you wrote: >> That was a concern for me with enamel pans too. They also get quite >> large chips, and I wondered if the edges and cracks of those chips >> would >> not be continually fracturing off tiny shards of glass. Plus at the >> point they are cracked or chipped I assume the metal underneath (what >> is >> it?) would be leaching. >> Le Creuset was mentioned, but all I have seen in that for years is >> teflon coated. Perhaps anodized aluminum is the way to go? >> Aluminum despite concerns in recent decades was at one time thought to >> be a "pass through" metal, anything leached into food was just >> excreted. >> Plus, as Ken said, aluminum is not avoidable as it is one of the most >> common metals on earth. >> I do have some SS pans with the "rainbow", so I would really like to >> know if it in fact does mean the metal is leaching more than it would >> otherwise--and since I am allergic to nickel, am wondering if I am >> getting enough to be a problem that might possibly be making all my >> other health issues worse. Trying to reconstruct when exactly I went >> to >> SS pans...never thought I'd need to remember that, god what I'd >> give >> for a functioning memory! >> sol >> >> >> Tony Moody wrote: >> >>> I feel much happer using SS than enamel ware. The enamel >>> develops tiny cracks in which germs lurk i am sure and also those >>> tiny chips of glass have to go into the food. Right? >>> >>> Stainless steel in general does not lose surface unless abraded, so >>> be gentle with it. I would guess that more nickel/chrome comes off >>> the edge of knife and ends of fork tines than is 'cooked' off into >>> the >>> food in a stainless pot. >>> >>> Why not 'silver plate' the inside of your SS ware after cleaning it. >>> Any >>> methods out there? >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> On 29 Oct 2004 at 15:41, sol wrote: >>> >>> >>> So if I get this stuff and use it a couple months a year, do I still have to throw out my brand new set of SS pans? And here was me, thinking I was doing good by gradually getting rid of aluminum pans over the years. sol twllLL wrote: > IP6 This stuff is suppose to chelate heavy metals from your body > & > lots of other stuff.Its made from rice bran extract. You don't > need to > take it all year long. > Take it for a couple of months twice a year. > Hulda Clark says SS gets into womens breast & causes > breast cancer too. > > > > -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To p
Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
My two cents worth: in Japan the iron Nanbu testsu kettles are revered for their beneficial health effects. These may have been more pronounced in previous decades and centuries when anemia was more likely. I have a nutritionist friend (phD), who believes that in fact the ferrous minerals from these teapots is bio-available and beneficial. I suppose, though, that only a blood test would tell for sure. JBB On Monday, Nov 1, 2004, at 22:03 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote: The rainbow effect is due to heating. When drawing the temper on any steel, the color of the rainbow can be used to determine the temperature of the draw starting with a straw or golden color and going to purple. With a uniform temperature , you get solid colors. Stove top heating isn't uniform. The effect shows up better on stainless due to a better contrast. Artists in my neighborhood who make stainless steel sculptures use that effect to color their work. Solid colors are done in a big oven, while non solid colors are done with a torch and look like they were painted on. The coloring does not affect the integrity of the steel though some oxidation of the surface is likely. Were it a high carbon heat treatable steel that had been heated to critical and quenched to harden it, the purple areas would be drawn softer than the golden areas. Iron is not generally a health problem. In most of it's forms, it's not very bioavailable. The well water around here is sometimes brown with iron and has caused no problems in all the hundreds of years of people drinking it ...except for staining the laundry and sinks etc and tasting nasty. Various compounds of chromium as found in chrome plating baths can be very poisonous but the chromium in stainless steel is locked up in the iron really well and not likely to make those compounds. Both nickle and chromium are highly resistant to making spontaneous compounds which is why they are used to make stainless steel stainless and plated over steel to prevent corrosion. Ode At 09:04 AM 10/31/2004 -0700, you wrote: That was a concern for me with enamel pans too. They also get quite large chips, and I wondered if the edges and cracks of those chips would not be continually fracturing off tiny shards of glass. Plus at the point they are cracked or chipped I assume the metal underneath (what is it?) would be leaching. Le Creuset was mentioned, but all I have seen in that for years is teflon coated. Perhaps anodized aluminum is the way to go? Aluminum despite concerns in recent decades was at one time thought to be a "pass through" metal, anything leached into food was just excreted. Plus, as Ken said, aluminum is not avoidable as it is one of the most common metals on earth. I do have some SS pans with the "rainbow", so I would really like to know if it in fact does mean the metal is leaching more than it would otherwise--and since I am allergic to nickel, am wondering if I am getting enough to be a problem that might possibly be making all my other health issues worse. Trying to reconstruct when exactly I went to SS pans...never thought I'd need to remember that, god what I'd give for a functioning memory! sol Tony Moody wrote: I feel much happer using SS than enamel ware. The enamel develops tiny cracks in which germs lurk i am sure and also those tiny chips of glass have to go into the food. Right? Stainless steel in general does not lose surface unless abraded, so be gentle with it. I would guess that more nickel/chrome comes off the edge of knife and ends of fork tines than is 'cooked' off into the food in a stainless pot. Why not 'silver plate' the inside of your SS ware after cleaning it. Any methods out there? Tony On 29 Oct 2004 at 15:41, sol wrote: So if I get this stuff and use it a couple months a year, do I still have to throw out my brand new set of SS pans? And here was me, thinking I was doing good by gradually getting rid of aluminum pans over the years. sol twllLL wrote: IP6 This stuff is suppose to chelate heavy metals from your body & lots of other stuff.Its made from rice bran extract. You don't need to take it all year long. Take it for a couple of months twice a year. Hulda Clark says SS gets into womens breast & causes breast cancer too. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
Mike, Anyone with hep. C must avoid iron. The virus replicates in iron in the liver. They should avoid all iron. They must switch to bottled water or another alternative. Adie >>> mdev...@eskimo.com 11/1/2004 6:38:32 PM >>> Ken wrote: > Iron is not generally a health problem. In most of it's forms, it's not > very bioavailable. The well water around here is sometimes brown with > iron and has caused no problems in all the hundreds of years of people > drinking it ...except for staining the laundry and sinks etc and tasting > nasty. I suppose that's true, however we men have a particular problem with stored iron from our diet, and any additional intake is likely to aggravate the situation. Post-menopausal women will also start storing more iron than they need. Giving blood regularly will gradually lower blood ferritin levels, which is an indirect measure of stored iron levels. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
Ken wrote: > Iron is not generally a health problem. In most of it's forms, it's not > very bioavailable. The well water around here is sometimes brown with > iron and has caused no problems in all the hundreds of years of people > drinking it ...except for staining the laundry and sinks etc and tasting > nasty. I suppose that's true, however we men have a particular problem with stored iron from our diet, and any additional intake is likely to aggravate the situation. Post-menopausal women will also start storing more iron than they need. Giving blood regularly will gradually lower blood ferritin levels, which is an indirect measure of stored iron levels. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Depends on the alloy. Marshall HRBE wrote: > Hang on, isn't pure stainles steel is NON-MAGNETIC, or am I wrong? > John in Australia > - Original Message - > From: "Alan Clough" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > > You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article > > by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found > > in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated > > metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say > > that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still > > magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
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The rainbow effect is due to heating. When drawing the temper on any steel, the color of the rainbow can be used to determine the temperature of the draw starting with a straw or golden color and going to purple. With a uniform temperature , you get solid colors. Stove top heating isn't uniform. The effect shows up better on stainless due to a better contrast. Artists in my neighborhood who make stainless steel sculptures use that effect to color their work. Solid colors are done in a big oven, while non solid colors are done with a torch and look like they were painted on. The coloring does not affect the integrity of the steel though some oxidation of the surface is likely. Were it a high carbon heat treatable steel that had been heated to critical and quenched to harden it, the purple areas would be drawn softer than the golden areas. Iron is not generally a health problem. In most of it's forms, it's not very bioavailable. The well water around here is sometimes brown with iron and has caused no problems in all the hundreds of years of people drinking it ...except for staining the laundry and sinks etc and tasting nasty. Various compounds of chromium as found in chrome plating baths can be very poisonous but the chromium in stainless steel is locked up in the iron really well and not likely to make those compounds. Both nickle and chromium are highly resistant to making spontaneous compounds which is why they are used to make stainless steel stainless and plated over steel to prevent corrosion. Ode At 09:04 AM 10/31/2004 -0700, you wrote: > That was a concern for me with enamel pans too. They also get quite >large chips, and I wondered if the edges and cracks of those chips would >not be continually fracturing off tiny shards of glass. Plus at the >point they are cracked or chipped I assume the metal underneath (what is >it?) would be leaching. > Le Creuset was mentioned, but all I have seen in that for years is >teflon coated. Perhaps anodized aluminum is the way to go? >Aluminum despite concerns in recent decades was at one time thought to >be a "pass through" metal, anything leached into food was just excreted. >Plus, as Ken said, aluminum is not avoidable as it is one of the most >common metals on earth. > I do have some SS pans with the "rainbow", so I would really like to >know if it in fact does mean the metal is leaching more than it would >otherwise--and since I am allergic to nickel, am wondering if I am >getting enough to be a problem that might possibly be making all my >other health issues worse. Trying to reconstruct when exactly I went to >SS pans...never thought I'd need to remember that, god what I'd give >for a functioning memory! >sol > > >Tony Moody wrote: > >>I feel much happer using SS than enamel ware. The enamel >>develops tiny cracks in which germs lurk i am sure and also those >>tiny chips of glass have to go into the food. Right? >> >>Stainless steel in general does not lose surface unless abraded, so >>be gentle with it. I would guess that more nickel/chrome comes off >>the edge of knife and ends of fork tines than is 'cooked' off into the >>food in a stainless pot. >> >>Why not 'silver plate' the inside of your SS ware after cleaning it. Any >>methods out there? >> >>Tony >> >>On 29 Oct 2004 at 15:41, sol wrote: >> >> >> >>>So if I get this stuff and use it a couple months a year, do I still >>>have to throw out my brand new set of SS pans? >>>And here was me, thinking I was doing good by gradually getting rid of >>>aluminum pans over the years. >>>sol >>> >>>twllLL wrote: >>> >>> >>> IP6 This stuff is suppose to chelate heavy metals from your body & lots of other stuff.Its made from rice bran extract. You don't need to take it all year long. Take it for a couple of months twice a year. Hulda Clark says SS gets into womens breast & causes breast cancer too. >>>-- >>>The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >>> >>>Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >>> >>>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >>>Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >>> >>>Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >>>OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >>> >>>List maintainer: Mike Devour >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
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Yep, I appear to have been wrong, it is apparently the copy cat brands that have the teflon non-stick interiors. sorry for any confusion, sol Jim Holmes wrote: Le Creuset may make some Teflon coated pans, but all that I have seen are cast Iron coated with porcelain enamel. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
Le Creuset may make some Teflon coated pans, but all that I have seen are cast Iron coated with porcelain enamel. -Original Message- From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. That was a concern for me with enamel pans too. They also get quite large chips, and I wondered if the edges and cracks of those chips would not be continually fracturing off tiny shards of glass. Plus at the point they are cracked or chipped I assume the metal underneath (what is it?) would be leaching. Le Creuset was mentioned, but all I have seen in that for years is teflon coated. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I've been googling, what about Scanpan? Here is a quote from the description: >The nonstick surface is a compound of ceramic and titanium, super-heated and fired onto the pan. Microscopic craters formed >during the firing process are filled with the nonstick compound, so it cannot be scraped off and is metal-utensil safe. Patented >spring-lock handles stay cool, and tempered glass lids make it easy to monitor cooking. I see Le Creuset that has the porcelain interior, no teflon. But I don't think I could lift the stuff empty, let alone full of food. I had forgotten that is why I never got any--it is just too heavy for me. sol Tony Moody wrote: I feel much happer using SS than enamel ware. The enamel develops tiny cracks in which germs lurk i am sure and also those tiny chips of glass have to go into the food. Right? Stainless steel in general does not lose surface unless abraded, so be gentle with it. I would guess that more nickel/chrome comes off the edge of knife and ends of fork tines than is 'cooked' off into the food in a stainless pot. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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That was a concern for me with enamel pans too. They also get quite large chips, and I wondered if the edges and cracks of those chips would not be continually fracturing off tiny shards of glass. Plus at the point they are cracked or chipped I assume the metal underneath (what is it?) would be leaching. Le Creuset was mentioned, but all I have seen in that for years is teflon coated. Perhaps anodized aluminum is the way to go? Aluminum despite concerns in recent decades was at one time thought to be a "pass through" metal, anything leached into food was just excreted. Plus, as Ken said, aluminum is not avoidable as it is one of the most common metals on earth. I do have some SS pans with the "rainbow", so I would really like to know if it in fact does mean the metal is leaching more than it would otherwise--and since I am allergic to nickel, am wondering if I am getting enough to be a problem that might possibly be making all my other health issues worse. Trying to reconstruct when exactly I went to SS pans...never thought I'd need to remember that, god what I'd give for a functioning memory! sol Tony Moody wrote: I feel much happer using SS than enamel ware. The enamel develops tiny cracks in which germs lurk i am sure and also those tiny chips of glass have to go into the food. Right? Stainless steel in general does not lose surface unless abraded, so be gentle with it. I would guess that more nickel/chrome comes off the edge of knife and ends of fork tines than is 'cooked' off into the food in a stainless pot. Why not 'silver plate' the inside of your SS ware after cleaning it. Any methods out there? Tony On 29 Oct 2004 at 15:41, sol wrote: So if I get this stuff and use it a couple months a year, do I still have to throw out my brand new set of SS pans? And here was me, thinking I was doing good by gradually getting rid of aluminum pans over the years. sol twllLL wrote: IP6 This stuff is suppose to chelate heavy metals from your body & lots of other stuff.Its made from rice bran extract. You don't need to take it all year long. Take it for a couple of months twice a year. Hulda Clark says SS gets into womens breast & causes breast cancer too. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Stainless steel is an alloy..by definition, not pure. Ode At 12:47 PM 10/30/2004 +1000, you wrote: >Hang on, isn't pure stainles steel is NON-MAGNETIC, or am I wrong? >John in Australia >- Original Message - >From: "Alan Clough" >To: >Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:01 PM >Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > >> You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article >> by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found >> in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated >> metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say >> that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still >> magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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But you'll probably get a thousand times more iron out of your well water. Red dirt is red because of its iron content. Ode At 11:27 PM 10/30/2004 -0400, you wrote: >I just tested my cheap SS pot with a magnet & it stuck. >It also has that rainbow in it. >In Bill Sardi 's book THE IRON TIME BOMB he says >all steel cookware leeches out iron.Iron overload is a undiagnosed problem >causing all sorts of illnesses. > >- Original Message - >From: "HRBE" >To: >Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:47 PM >Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > >> Hang on, isn't pure stainles steel is NON-MAGNETIC, or am I wrong? >> John in Australia >> - Original Message - >> From: "Alan Clough" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:01 PM >> Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. >> >> >>> You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article >>> by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found >>> in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated >>> metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say >>> that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still >>> magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. >> >> >> -- >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >> Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >> OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour >> >> > > >
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When chlorine oxidizes many substtances, it forms dioxin as a byproduct. The paper industry releases a fair amount of dioxin into rivers as a result of using chlorine to bleach wood pulp. There is a push to get them to convert the process to H2O2 as the bleaching agent and environmentalists push the use of unbleached paper as much as possible in order to reduce or emiliminate dioxin pollution. Ode At 11:47 AM 10/29/2004 -0600, you wrote: >The Canadian Department of health indicated that simple chlorine bleach is >the major cause of breast cancerinteresting. >SS & other toxins, parasites, etc. may7 also be complicating factors. >Dr. Kenney > >-Original Message- >From: twllLL [mailto:twl...@direcway.com] >Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:26 AM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > >IP6 This stuff is suppose to chelate heavy metals from your body & lots of > >other stuff.Its made from rice bran extract. You don't need to take it all >year long. >Take it for a couple of months twice a year. >Hulda Clark says SS gets into womens breast & causes >breast cancer too. > >- Original Message - >From: "Jim Holmes" >To: >Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:37 PM >Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > >> Very interesting. I have been using Saw Palmetto tinciture with some >> success. >> >> Do you have a link to more detailed information on the process? >> >> Thank you in advance. >> >> JOH >> >> -----Original Message- >> From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:29 AM >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. >> >> Interestingly...nickel has been implicated as being present in high >> concentrations in the prostate of men with BPH. It indicated that the >> bacteria there survive on nickel as a requirement. Removing the nickel by >> chelation relieves the hypertrophy. >> I've not heard that it is carcinogenic. >> Dr.Kenney >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. >> >> Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >> Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >> OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour >> >> > > >
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I feel much happer using SS than enamel ware. The enamel develops tiny cracks in which germs lurk i am sure and also those tiny chips of glass have to go into the food. Right? Stainless steel in general does not lose surface unless abraded, so be gentle with it. I would guess that more nickel/chrome comes off the edge of knife and ends of fork tines than is 'cooked' off into the food in a stainless pot. Why not 'silver plate' the inside of your SS ware after cleaning it. Any methods out there? Tony On 29 Oct 2004 at 15:41, sol wrote: > So if I get this stuff and use it a couple months a year, do I still > have to throw out my brand new set of SS pans? > And here was me, thinking I was doing good by gradually getting rid of > aluminum pans over the years. > sol > > twllLL wrote: > > > IP6 This stuff is suppose to chelate heavy metals from your body & > > lots of other stuff.Its made from rice bran extract. You don't need to > > take it all year long. > > Take it for a couple of months twice a year. > > Hulda Clark says SS gets into womens breast & causes > > breast cancer too. > > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
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The surgical sterilization temp is less than 300 F. -one eighth the melting point of 18/8. Surgical stainless is a marketing gimmick. Generally, the more nickel the higher the melting point. Nickel alloys will be magnetic or not as different amounts of nickel is added--or cobalt. We wont get into heat treating and coatings. There are only three common magnetic metals-- iron, nickel, or cobalt. Metallurgy is as complicated a science as medicine. I have had 30 years of practical metallurgy in the field(two classroom). - Original Message - From: "Nenah Sylver" To: Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > My Mastercraft stainless steel pots are made from surgical stainless steel > touted as having the molecules close together so it doesn't have problems like > other pots. Except for a handle falling off a frying pan, I've never had > problems like warping, discoloration, etc. It makes sense that they are > extremely heat resistant since similar stainless is used for surgical > instruments that are exposed to high heat when sterilized. > > Good pots can sometimes be found at holistic health fairs, usually in the demo > section where they fry without fat, cook with only a teaspoon of water, etc. > These kinds of pots are heavy and tend to be pricey but in the long run might be > worth it. > > Nenah > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Stainless steel is a generic name for a # of metals with a base of iron and other metals as Nickel, chronmium, molybedum, cobalt,vanadium, etc.-depending on its uses. The common alloy is 304 which is 18% chrome and 8 % nickel, balance iron. We in the metals busines call it and its cousins simply 18/8. It may contain traces of ANYTHING. according how chemically pure the user requirements are. Other 300 series are 321, 316, 347, 301,etc. They are non or slightly magnetic. Chrome stainless, or 400 series, is magnetic and contains only iron and chrome. I buy and sell surplus stainless and nickel alloys. There are thousands. It takes an x ray fluorescence device like a Niton to properly sort all the alloys. Remember, like prescription drugs and vitamins, not all manufacturers produce a chemically uniform product. Only the metal items from the same "heat" will be the same. - Original Message - From: "HRBE" To: Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:47 PM Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > Hang on, isn't pure stainles steel is NON-MAGNETIC, or am I wrong? > John in Australia > - Original Message - > From: "Alan Clough" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > > > You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article > > by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found > > in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated > > metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say > > that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still > > magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Is All Clad like this, the ones all the professional cooks use? They certainly are pricey enough! Garnet On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 06:55, Nenah Sylver wrote: > My Mastercraft stainless steel pots are made from surgical stainless steel > touted as having the molecules close together so it doesn't have problems like > other pots. Except for a handle falling off a frying pan, I've never had > problems like warping, discoloration, etc. It makes sense that they are > extremely heat resistant since similar stainless is used for surgical > instruments that are exposed to high heat when sterilized. > > Good pots can sometimes be found at holistic health fairs, usually in the demo > section where they fry without fat, cook with only a teaspoon of water, etc. > These kinds of pots are heavy and tend to be pricey but in the long run might > be > worth it. > > Nenah > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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New pans do not have the rainbows Terri. It is only from over heating that these develop. Changes the molecular structure of the steel and is supposedly now giving off metal molecules. I don't have the details of this, just read about it years ago. A family that stopped using even SS eating utensils. Personally I was fortunate enought to recently inherit a set of solid silver ware. We eat off of that every day. Garnet On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 23:29, Teri Johnston wrote: > I also just purchased a very good set of Stainless Pots and did the magnet > check and it didn't stick. No rainbows either. > > Teri > > > >- Original Message - From: "HRBE" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:47 PM > >Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > > > > >>Hang on, isn't pure stainles steel is NON-MAGNETIC, or am I wrong? > >>John in Australia > >>- Original Message - From: "Alan Clough" > >>To: > >>Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:01 PM > >>Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > >> > >> > >>>You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article > >>>by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found > >>>in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated > >>>metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say > >>>that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still > >>>magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. > >> > >> > >>-- > >>The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >> > >>Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >> > >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >>Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >> > >>Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > >>OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >> > >>List maintainer: Mike Devour > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 7.0.275 / Virus Database: 264.12.4 - Release Date: 10/27/2004 > > www.welshspringers.com > Authorized Fastrack ® Dealer >
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My Mastercraft stainless steel pots are made from surgical stainless steel touted as having the molecules close together so it doesn't have problems like other pots. Except for a handle falling off a frying pan, I've never had problems like warping, discoloration, etc. It makes sense that they are extremely heat resistant since similar stainless is used for surgical instruments that are exposed to high heat when sterilized. Good pots can sometimes be found at holistic health fairs, usually in the demo section where they fry without fat, cook with only a teaspoon of water, etc. These kinds of pots are heavy and tend to be pricey but in the long run might be worth it. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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This page should help with your question: http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae546.cfm Cheers HRBE wrote: Hang on, isn't pure stainles steel is NON-MAGNETIC, or am I wrong? John in Australia - Original Message - From: "Alan Clough" To: Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I also just purchased a very good set of Stainless Pots and did the magnet check and it didn't stick. No rainbows either. Teri - Original Message - From: "HRBE" To: Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:47 PM Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Hang on, isn't pure stainles steel is NON-MAGNETIC, or am I wrong? John in Australia - Original Message - From: "Alan Clough" To: Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.275 / Virus Database: 264.12.4 - Release Date: 10/27/2004 www.welshspringers.com Authorized Fastrack ® Dealer -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.275 / Virus Database: 264.12.4 - Release Date: 10/27/2004
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I just tested my cheap SS pot with a magnet & it stuck. It also has that rainbow in it. In Bill Sardi 's book THE IRON TIME BOMB he says all steel cookware leeches out iron.Iron overload is a undiagnosed problem causing all sorts of illnesses. - Original Message - From: "HRBE" To: Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:47 PM Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Hang on, isn't pure stainles steel is NON-MAGNETIC, or am I wrong? John in Australia - Original Message - From: "Alan Clough" To: Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Hang on, isn't pure stainles steel is NON-MAGNETIC, or am I wrong? John in Australia - Original Message - From: "Alan Clough" To: Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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So if I get this stuff and use it a couple months a year, do I still have to throw out my brand new set of SS pans? And here was me, thinking I was doing good by gradually getting rid of aluminum pans over the years. sol twllLL wrote: IP6 This stuff is suppose to chelate heavy metals from your body & lots of other stuff.Its made from rice bran extract. You don't need to take it all year long. Take it for a couple of months twice a year. Hulda Clark says SS gets into womens breast & causes breast cancer too. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Great site... Thanks -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:35 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. See http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Teflon/Canary-Teflon-ToxicosisAug03.htm Marshall David W Kenney wrote: > You are correct in the outgassing...I am not sure the type of gas though but > you may be right... > For example many pet birds have been lost in houses who cook with Teflon > because of the gas released. > Dr. Kenney > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:37 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > I am not certain of this, but I recall having heard from some anecdotal > source that the Teflon toxic out gassing is saran; nerve gas. > > -Original Message- > From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:02 AM > To: Silver List > Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > I read some time back, while researching MCS, that if the pan over heats > and develops that rainbow look it is even more likely to be toxic for > you. I have seen an SS Revereware pot do this. > > What a nice reason to invest in a good set of pots like Le Cruesette > (sp). > > BTW the glass pots I looked at had a note about them being coated with > Teflon, not visible as they are transparent, made by Corning. Teflon if > it over heats and out gasses is toxic to birds in very small amounts. I > took the pots back, a shame as they were a Christmas gift from my > husband and daughter who thought they would be a great alternative to > SS. > > Garnet > > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:01, Alan Clough wrote: > > You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article > > by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found > > in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated > > metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say > > that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still > > magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. Apparently > > Nickel is very carcinogenic and contains other metal that > > can leach out depending on how acid or alkaline the food is > > and how long it is in contact with it as well as cooking > > temp. I almost bought a new set of SS cooking pots after > > reading that I am glad I held off. Now to find some good > > porcelain steel pots and pans.. Alan > > - Original Message - > > From: "Garnet" > > To: "Silver List" > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:01 AM > > Subject: Re: CS> > > > > > > Yes that is what I was thinking of, plasitcizers. And I was > > under the > > impression that the hard plastic, like bottled water comes > > in, did not > > out gas the pasticizer. But come to think of it the hard > > plastic > > collection bottle that came with my counter top distiller > > did smell at > > first. I threw out the first few batches of distilled water > > that I made, > > until I could no longer smell it. > > > > Having had MCS in the past I know that even minute amounts > > of a VOC can > > enter directly into brain tissue via the Trigeminal and > > Olfactory > > Cranial Nerves that run through the nasal septum. Even a > > very few > > molecules may affect someone with MCS and will contribute to > > the body's > > total load in anyone. Whether it is a significant > > contribution relative > > to the other exposures we have is a point of debate. > > > > When I collect distilled water from the distiller it comes > > out near > > boiling so it could be further drawing out any available > > plasticizer in > > the time that it is cooling. > > > > H . . . what to do, that bottle fits the set up, an open > > vessel > > might allow too much of the steam to excape. > > > > Time to buy that larger stainless steel distiller I have had > > my eye on > > perhpas. > > > > Garnet > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:21, Marshall Dudley wrote: > > > It normally is not solvents. Normally what is outgassed > > from any plastic is either > > > the monomer, or plasticizing agents. Soft plastics such > > as PVC will outgas the > > > monomer such as vinyl chloride, and hard plastics that > > have a plasticizer added to > > > them to make them soft will outgas the plasticizer. They > > are both especially nasty, >
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The Canadian Department of health indicated that simple chlorine bleach is the major cause of breast cancerinteresting. SS & other toxins, parasites, etc. may7 also be complicating factors. Dr. Kenney -Original Message- From: twllLL [mailto:twl...@direcway.com] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:26 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. IP6 This stuff is suppose to chelate heavy metals from your body & lots of other stuff.Its made from rice bran extract. You don't need to take it all year long. Take it for a couple of months twice a year. Hulda Clark says SS gets into womens breast & causes breast cancer too. - Original Message - From: "Jim Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > Very interesting. I have been using Saw Palmetto tinciture with some > success. > > Do you have a link to more detailed information on the process? > > Thank you in advance. > > JOH > > -Original Message- > From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:29 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > Interestingly...nickel has been implicated as being present in high > concentrations in the prostate of men with BPH. It indicated that the > bacteria there survive on nickel as a requirement. Removing the nickel by > chelation relieves the hypertrophy. > I've not heard that it is carcinogenic. > Dr.Kenney > > > > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Thanks, that is a new one on me. Looks interesting though, think I will pick up some at the health food store tonight. http://www.askbillsardi.com/sdm.asp?pg=ip6_cleanse Marshall twllLL wrote: > IP6 This stuff is suppose to chelate heavy metals from your body & lots of > other stuff.Its made from rice bran extract. You don't need to take it all > year long. > Take it for a couple of months twice a year. > Hulda Clark says SS gets into womens breast & causes > breast cancer too. > > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Holmes" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:37 PM > Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > > Very interesting. I have been using Saw Palmetto tinciture with some > > success. > > > > Do you have a link to more detailed information on the process? > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > JOH > > > > -Original Message- > > From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] > > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:29 AM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > > > Interestingly...nickel has been implicated as being present in high > > concentrations in the prostate of men with BPH. It indicated that the > > bacteria there survive on nickel as a requirement. Removing the nickel by > > chelation relieves the hypertrophy. > > I've not heard that it is carcinogenic. > > Dr.Kenney > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
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See http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Teflon/Canary-Teflon-ToxicosisAug03.htm Marshall David W Kenney wrote: > You are correct in the outgassing...I am not sure the type of gas though but > you may be right... > For example many pet birds have been lost in houses who cook with Teflon > because of the gas released. > Dr. Kenney > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:37 AM > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > I am not certain of this, but I recall having heard from some anecdotal > source that the Teflon toxic out gassing is saran; nerve gas. > > -Original Message- > From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:02 AM > To: Silver List > Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > I read some time back, while researching MCS, that if the pan over heats > and develops that rainbow look it is even more likely to be toxic for > you. I have seen an SS Revereware pot do this. > > What a nice reason to invest in a good set of pots like Le Cruesette > (sp). > > BTW the glass pots I looked at had a note about them being coated with > Teflon, not visible as they are transparent, made by Corning. Teflon if > it over heats and out gasses is toxic to birds in very small amounts. I > took the pots back, a shame as they were a Christmas gift from my > husband and daughter who thought they would be a great alternative to > SS. > > Garnet > > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:01, Alan Clough wrote: > > You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article > > by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found > > in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated > > metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say > > that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still > > magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. Apparently > > Nickel is very carcinogenic and contains other metal that > > can leach out depending on how acid or alkaline the food is > > and how long it is in contact with it as well as cooking > > temp. I almost bought a new set of SS cooking pots after > > reading that I am glad I held off. Now to find some good > > porcelain steel pots and pans.. Alan > > - Original Message - > > From: "Garnet" > > To: "Silver List" > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:01 AM > > Subject: Re: CS> > > > > > > Yes that is what I was thinking of, plasitcizers. And I was > > under the > > impression that the hard plastic, like bottled water comes > > in, did not > > out gas the pasticizer. But come to think of it the hard > > plastic > > collection bottle that came with my counter top distiller > > did smell at > > first. I threw out the first few batches of distilled water > > that I made, > > until I could no longer smell it. > > > > Having had MCS in the past I know that even minute amounts > > of a VOC can > > enter directly into brain tissue via the Trigeminal and > > Olfactory > > Cranial Nerves that run through the nasal septum. Even a > > very few > > molecules may affect someone with MCS and will contribute to > > the body's > > total load in anyone. Whether it is a significant > > contribution relative > > to the other exposures we have is a point of debate. > > > > When I collect distilled water from the distiller it comes > > out near > > boiling so it could be further drawing out any available > > plasticizer in > > the time that it is cooling. > > > > H . . . what to do, that bottle fits the set up, an open > > vessel > > might allow too much of the steam to excape. > > > > Time to buy that larger stainless steel distiller I have had > > my eye on > > perhpas. > > > > Garnet > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:21, Marshall Dudley wrote: > > > It normally is not solvents. Normally what is outgassed > > from any plastic is either > > > the monomer, or plasticizing agents. Soft plastics such > > as PVC will outgas the > > > monomer such as vinyl chloride, and hard plastics that > > have a plasticizer added to > > > them to make them soft will outgas the plasticizer. They > > are both especially nasty, > > > usually both carcinogenic as well as immune suppressive. > > > > > > BTW, I have found that putting many plastics in the oven > > set to 150 F for 24 hours > > > that is addi
Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
IP6 This stuff is suppose to chelate heavy metals from your body & lots of other stuff.Its made from rice bran extract. You don't need to take it all year long. Take it for a couple of months twice a year. Hulda Clark says SS gets into womens breast & causes breast cancer too. - Original Message - From: "Jim Holmes" To: Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:37 PM Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Very interesting. I have been using Saw Palmetto tinciture with some success. Do you have a link to more detailed information on the process? Thank you in advance. JOH -Original Message- From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:29 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Interestingly...nickel has been implicated as being present in high concentrations in the prostate of men with BPH. It indicated that the bacteria there survive on nickel as a requirement. Removing the nickel by chelation relieves the hypertrophy. I've not heard that it is carcinogenic. Dr.Kenney -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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You are correct in the outgassing...I am not sure the type of gas though but you may be right... For example many pet birds have been lost in houses who cook with Teflon because of the gas released. Dr. Kenney -Original Message- From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. I am not certain of this, but I recall having heard from some anecdotal source that the Teflon toxic out gassing is saran; nerve gas. -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:02 AM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. I read some time back, while researching MCS, that if the pan over heats and develops that rainbow look it is even more likely to be toxic for you. I have seen an SS Revereware pot do this. What a nice reason to invest in a good set of pots like Le Cruesette (sp). BTW the glass pots I looked at had a note about them being coated with Teflon, not visible as they are transparent, made by Corning. Teflon if it over heats and out gasses is toxic to birds in very small amounts. I took the pots back, a shame as they were a Christmas gift from my husband and daughter who thought they would be a great alternative to SS. Garnet On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:01, Alan Clough wrote: > You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article > by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found > in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated > metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say > that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still > magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. Apparently > Nickel is very carcinogenic and contains other metal that > can leach out depending on how acid or alkaline the food is > and how long it is in contact with it as well as cooking > temp. I almost bought a new set of SS cooking pots after > reading that I am glad I held off. Now to find some good > porcelain steel pots and pans.. Alan > - Original Message - > From: "Garnet" > To: "Silver List" > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: CS> > > > Yes that is what I was thinking of, plasitcizers. And I was > under the > impression that the hard plastic, like bottled water comes > in, did not > out gas the pasticizer. But come to think of it the hard > plastic > collection bottle that came with my counter top distiller > did smell at > first. I threw out the first few batches of distilled water > that I made, > until I could no longer smell it. > > Having had MCS in the past I know that even minute amounts > of a VOC can > enter directly into brain tissue via the Trigeminal and > Olfactory > Cranial Nerves that run through the nasal septum. Even a > very few > molecules may affect someone with MCS and will contribute to > the body's > total load in anyone. Whether it is a significant > contribution relative > to the other exposures we have is a point of debate. > > When I collect distilled water from the distiller it comes > out near > boiling so it could be further drawing out any available > plasticizer in > the time that it is cooling. > > H . . . what to do, that bottle fits the set up, an open > vessel > might allow too much of the steam to excape. > > Time to buy that larger stainless steel distiller I have had > my eye on > perhpas. > > Garnet > > > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:21, Marshall Dudley wrote: > > It normally is not solvents. Normally what is outgassed > from any plastic is either > > the monomer, or plasticizing agents. Soft plastics such > as PVC will outgas the > > monomer such as vinyl chloride, and hard plastics that > have a plasticizer added to > > them to make them soft will outgas the plasticizer. They > are both especially nasty, > > usually both carcinogenic as well as immune suppressive. > > > > BTW, I have found that putting many plastics in the oven > set to 150 F for 24 hours > > that is adding any taste to water or EIS will outgas > pretty well all of it in the > > oven, and not do that after baking. > > > > Marshall > > > > Garnet wrote: > > > > > I was unaware of this. I was under the impression that > only soft > > > plastics outgassed their solvent. The thermoset plastics > supposedly do > > > not out gas anything. > > > > > > If this is true I would not use PET pastic. > > > > > > Garnet > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 22:36, Sally Khanna wrote: > > > > Ever since Greenpeace told me that
RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
I have been using oral chelation...and since that time have not had to use Palmetto or any of the other proatate supplements Dr. Kenney -Original Message- From: Jim Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:37 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Very interesting. I have been using Saw Palmetto tinciture with some success. Do you have a link to more detailed information on the process? Thank you in advance. JOH -Original Message- From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:29 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Interestingly...nickel has been implicated as being present in high concentrations in the prostate of men with BPH. It indicated that the bacteria there survive on nickel as a requirement. Removing the nickel by chelation relieves the hypertrophy. I've not heard that it is carcinogenic. Dr.Kenney -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
I am not certain of this, but I recall having heard from some anecdotal source that the Teflon toxic out gassing is saran; nerve gas. -Original Message- From: Garnet [mailto:garnetri...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:02 AM To: Silver List Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. I read some time back, while researching MCS, that if the pan over heats and develops that rainbow look it is even more likely to be toxic for you. I have seen an SS Revereware pot do this. What a nice reason to invest in a good set of pots like Le Cruesette (sp). BTW the glass pots I looked at had a note about them being coated with Teflon, not visible as they are transparent, made by Corning. Teflon if it over heats and out gasses is toxic to birds in very small amounts. I took the pots back, a shame as they were a Christmas gift from my husband and daughter who thought they would be a great alternative to SS. Garnet On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:01, Alan Clough wrote: > You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article > by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found > in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated > metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say > that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still > magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. Apparently > Nickel is very carcinogenic and contains other metal that > can leach out depending on how acid or alkaline the food is > and how long it is in contact with it as well as cooking > temp. I almost bought a new set of SS cooking pots after > reading that I am glad I held off. Now to find some good > porcelain steel pots and pans.. Alan > - Original Message - > From: "Garnet" > To: "Silver List" > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: CS> > > > Yes that is what I was thinking of, plasitcizers. And I was > under the > impression that the hard plastic, like bottled water comes > in, did not > out gas the pasticizer. But come to think of it the hard > plastic > collection bottle that came with my counter top distiller > did smell at > first. I threw out the first few batches of distilled water > that I made, > until I could no longer smell it. > > Having had MCS in the past I know that even minute amounts > of a VOC can > enter directly into brain tissue via the Trigeminal and > Olfactory > Cranial Nerves that run through the nasal septum. Even a > very few > molecules may affect someone with MCS and will contribute to > the body's > total load in anyone. Whether it is a significant > contribution relative > to the other exposures we have is a point of debate. > > When I collect distilled water from the distiller it comes > out near > boiling so it could be further drawing out any available > plasticizer in > the time that it is cooling. > > H . . . what to do, that bottle fits the set up, an open > vessel > might allow too much of the steam to excape. > > Time to buy that larger stainless steel distiller I have had > my eye on > perhpas. > > Garnet > > > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:21, Marshall Dudley wrote: > > It normally is not solvents. Normally what is outgassed > from any plastic is either > > the monomer, or plasticizing agents. Soft plastics such > as PVC will outgas the > > monomer such as vinyl chloride, and hard plastics that > have a plasticizer added to > > them to make them soft will outgas the plasticizer. They > are both especially nasty, > > usually both carcinogenic as well as immune suppressive. > > > > BTW, I have found that putting many plastics in the oven > set to 150 F for 24 hours > > that is adding any taste to water or EIS will outgas > pretty well all of it in the > > oven, and not do that after baking. > > > > Marshall > > > > Garnet wrote: > > > > > I was unaware of this. I was under the impression that > only soft > > > plastics outgassed their solvent. The thermoset plastics > supposedly do > > > not out gas anything. > > > > > > If this is true I would not use PET pastic. > > > > > > Garnet > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 22:36, Sally Khanna wrote: > > > > Ever since Greenpeace told me that they release dioxin > under light or > > > > heat conditions, I'm afraid to use them (Pet plastic) > too much. My > > > > neighbor, who is a scientist checked it out and said > it was true. > > > > anyone have any comment? > > > > > > > > Sally > > > > > > > > Garnet wrote: > >
RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
Very interesting. I have been using Saw Palmetto tinciture with some success. Do you have a link to more detailed information on the process? Thank you in advance. JOH -Original Message- From: David W Kenney [mailto:drd...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:29 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. Interestingly...nickel has been implicated as being present in high concentrations in the prostate of men with BPH. It indicated that the bacteria there survive on nickel as a requirement. Removing the nickel by chelation relieves the hypertrophy. I've not heard that it is carcinogenic. Dr.Kenney -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
Interestingly...nickel has been implicated as being present in high concentrations in the prostate of men with BPH. It indicated that the bacteria there survive on nickel as a requirement. Removing the nickel by chelation relieves the hypertrophy. I've not heard that it is carcinogenic. Dr.Kenney -Original Message- From: Alan Clough [mailto:airc...@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:01 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. Apparently Nickel is very carcinogenic and contains other metal that can leach out depending on how acid or alkaline the food is and how long it is in contact with it as well as cooking temp. I almost bought a new set of SS cooking pots after reading that I am glad I held off. Now to find some good porcelain steel pots and pans.. Alan - Original Message - From: "Garnet" To: "Silver List" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Re: CS> Yes that is what I was thinking of, plasitcizers. And I was under the impression that the hard plastic, like bottled water comes in, did not out gas the pasticizer. But come to think of it the hard plastic collection bottle that came with my counter top distiller did smell at first. I threw out the first few batches of distilled water that I made, until I could no longer smell it. Having had MCS in the past I know that even minute amounts of a VOC can enter directly into brain tissue via the Trigeminal and Olfactory Cranial Nerves that run through the nasal septum. Even a very few molecules may affect someone with MCS and will contribute to the body's total load in anyone. Whether it is a significant contribution relative to the other exposures we have is a point of debate. When I collect distilled water from the distiller it comes out near boiling so it could be further drawing out any available plasticizer in the time that it is cooling. H . . . what to do, that bottle fits the set up, an open vessel might allow too much of the steam to excape. Time to buy that larger stainless steel distiller I have had my eye on perhpas. Garnet On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:21, Marshall Dudley wrote: > It normally is not solvents. Normally what is outgassed from any plastic is either > the monomer, or plasticizing agents. Soft plastics such as PVC will outgas the > monomer such as vinyl chloride, and hard plastics that have a plasticizer added to > them to make them soft will outgas the plasticizer. They are both especially nasty, > usually both carcinogenic as well as immune suppressive. > > BTW, I have found that putting many plastics in the oven set to 150 F for 24 hours > that is adding any taste to water or EIS will outgas pretty well all of it in the > oven, and not do that after baking. > > Marshall > > Garnet wrote: > > > I was unaware of this. I was under the impression that only soft > > plastics outgassed their solvent. The thermoset plastics supposedly do > > not out gas anything. > > > > If this is true I would not use PET pastic. > > > > Garnet > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 22:36, Sally Khanna wrote: > > > Ever since Greenpeace told me that they release dioxin under light or > > > heat conditions, I'm afraid to use them (Pet plastic) too much. My > > > neighbor, who is a scientist checked it out and said it was true. > > > anyone have any comment? > > > > > > Sally > > > > > > Garnet wrote: > > > I use PET bottles to collect the distilled water I make > > > because it fits > > > the set up. For my CS I do use half gallon glass canning jars. > > > I keep > > > the box they come in and store my CS in the boxes in the > > > pantry. That > > > way I always have it on hand for a high need situation and I > > > can also > > > share if someone I know gets sick. They cost $1.59 per jar at > > > my local > > > Ace Hardware, with six I get a box that stacks well and does > > > not take up > > > shelf space since I can put them on the pantry floor. I doubt > > > that PET > > > bottles are any cheaper, but they are lighter and have > > > handles. > > > > > > Garnet > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at
Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
I read some time back, while researching MCS, that if the pan over heats and develops that rainbow look it is even more likely to be toxic for you. I have seen an SS Revereware pot do this. What a nice reason to invest in a good set of pots like Le Cruesette (sp). BTW the glass pots I looked at had a note about them being coated with Teflon, not visible as they are transparent, made by Corning. Teflon if it over heats and out gasses is toxic to birds in very small amounts. I took the pots back, a shame as they were a Christmas gift from my husband and daughter who thought they would be a great alternative to SS. Garnet On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:01, Alan Clough wrote: > You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article > by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found > in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated > metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say > that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still > magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. Apparently > Nickel is very carcinogenic and contains other metal that > can leach out depending on how acid or alkaline the food is > and how long it is in contact with it as well as cooking > temp. I almost bought a new set of SS cooking pots after > reading that I am glad I held off. Now to find some good > porcelain steel pots and pans.. Alan > - Original Message - > From: "Garnet" > To: "Silver List" > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: CS> > > > Yes that is what I was thinking of, plasitcizers. And I was > under the > impression that the hard plastic, like bottled water comes > in, did not > out gas the pasticizer. But come to think of it the hard > plastic > collection bottle that came with my counter top distiller > did smell at > first. I threw out the first few batches of distilled water > that I made, > until I could no longer smell it. > > Having had MCS in the past I know that even minute amounts > of a VOC can > enter directly into brain tissue via the Trigeminal and > Olfactory > Cranial Nerves that run through the nasal septum. Even a > very few > molecules may affect someone with MCS and will contribute to > the body's > total load in anyone. Whether it is a significant > contribution relative > to the other exposures we have is a point of debate. > > When I collect distilled water from the distiller it comes > out near > boiling so it could be further drawing out any available > plasticizer in > the time that it is cooling. > > H . . . what to do, that bottle fits the set up, an open > vessel > might allow too much of the steam to excape. > > Time to buy that larger stainless steel distiller I have had > my eye on > perhpas. > > Garnet > > > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:21, Marshall Dudley wrote: > > It normally is not solvents. Normally what is outgassed > from any plastic is either > > the monomer, or plasticizing agents. Soft plastics such > as PVC will outgas the > > monomer such as vinyl chloride, and hard plastics that > have a plasticizer added to > > them to make them soft will outgas the plasticizer. They > are both especially nasty, > > usually both carcinogenic as well as immune suppressive. > > > > BTW, I have found that putting many plastics in the oven > set to 150 F for 24 hours > > that is adding any taste to water or EIS will outgas > pretty well all of it in the > > oven, and not do that after baking. > > > > Marshall > > > > Garnet wrote: > > > > > I was unaware of this. I was under the impression that > only soft > > > plastics outgassed their solvent. The thermoset plastics > supposedly do > > > not out gas anything. > > > > > > If this is true I would not use PET pastic. > > > > > > Garnet > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 22:36, Sally Khanna wrote: > > > > Ever since Greenpeace told me that they release dioxin > under light or > > > > heat conditions, I'm afraid to use them (Pet plastic) > too much. My > > > > neighbor, who is a scientist checked it out and said > it was true. > > > > anyone have any comment? > > > > > > > > Sally > > > > > > > > Garnet wrote: > > > > I use PET bottles to collect the distilled > water I make > > > > because it fits > > > > the set up. For my CS I do use half gallon > glass canning jars. > > > > I keep > > > > the box they come in and store my CS in the > boxes in the > > > > pantry. That > > > > way I always have it on hand for a high need > situation and I > > > > can also > > > > share if someone I know gets sick. They cost > $1.59 per jar at > > > > my local > > > > Ace Hardware, with six I get a box that stacks > well and does > > > > not take up > > > > shelf space since I can put them on the pantry > floor. I doubt > > > > that PET > > > > bottles are any cheaper, but they are lighter > and have > > > > handles. > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. Apparently Nickel is very carcinogenic and contains other metal that can leach out depending on how acid or alkaline the food is and how long it is in contact with it as well as cooking temp. I almost bought a new set of SS cooking pots after reading that I am glad I held off. Now to find some good porcelain steel pots and pans.. Alan - Original Message - From: "Garnet" To: "Silver List" Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Re: CS> Yes that is what I was thinking of, plasitcizers. And I was under the impression that the hard plastic, like bottled water comes in, did not out gas the pasticizer. But come to think of it the hard plastic collection bottle that came with my counter top distiller did smell at first. I threw out the first few batches of distilled water that I made, until I could no longer smell it. Having had MCS in the past I know that even minute amounts of a VOC can enter directly into brain tissue via the Trigeminal and Olfactory Cranial Nerves that run through the nasal septum. Even a very few molecules may affect someone with MCS and will contribute to the body's total load in anyone. Whether it is a significant contribution relative to the other exposures we have is a point of debate. When I collect distilled water from the distiller it comes out near boiling so it could be further drawing out any available plasticizer in the time that it is cooling. H . . . what to do, that bottle fits the set up, an open vessel might allow too much of the steam to excape. Time to buy that larger stainless steel distiller I have had my eye on perhpas. Garnet On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:21, Marshall Dudley wrote: > It normally is not solvents. Normally what is outgassed from any plastic is either > the monomer, or plasticizing agents. Soft plastics such as PVC will outgas the > monomer such as vinyl chloride, and hard plastics that have a plasticizer added to > them to make them soft will outgas the plasticizer. They are both especially nasty, > usually both carcinogenic as well as immune suppressive. > > BTW, I have found that putting many plastics in the oven set to 150 F for 24 hours > that is adding any taste to water or EIS will outgas pretty well all of it in the > oven, and not do that after baking. > > Marshall > > Garnet wrote: > > > I was unaware of this. I was under the impression that only soft > > plastics outgassed their solvent. The thermoset plastics supposedly do > > not out gas anything. > > > > If this is true I would not use PET pastic. > > > > Garnet > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 22:36, Sally Khanna wrote: > > > Ever since Greenpeace told me that they release dioxin under light or > > > heat conditions, I'm afraid to use them (Pet plastic) too much. My > > > neighbor, who is a scientist checked it out and said it was true. > > > anyone have any comment? > > > > > > Sally > > > > > > Garnet wrote: > > > I use PET bottles to collect the distilled water I make > > > because it fits > > > the set up. For my CS I do use half gallon glass canning jars. > > > I keep > > > the box they come in and store my CS in the boxes in the > > > pantry. That > > > way I always have it on hand for a high need situation and I > > > can also > > > share if someone I know gets sick. They cost $1.59 per jar at > > > my local > > > Ace Hardware, with six I get a box that stacks well and does > > > not take up > > > shelf space since I can put them on the pantry floor. I doubt > > > that PET > > > bottles are any cheaper, but they are lighter and have > > > handles. > > > > > > Garnet > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 16:07, Sally Khanna wrote: > > > > I have a question - why do many of you use PET plastic > > > bottles instead > > > > of glass to keep the CS in? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sally > > > > > > > > Dave and Gwlynda Irek wrote: > > > > T! hanks Bo for the reply. Your right I'm trying to make 20 > > > PPM > > > > - on the highest setting. I check every gallon of distilled > > > > water with my meter before I put it in the SilverGen and the > > > > average is 0.2 so I'm pretty sure my water is ok. I brought > > > > new PET plastic water jugs for the CS which I have used > > > since > > > > day one of making CS. I don't rinse them out between filling > > > > them with the next batch of CS - so they should not have any > > > > ozonati
