[RCSE] Is there a new Airtronics transmitter in the near future?
I just sold my Stylus transmitter, glider card, and memory card. I'm taking a little hiatus from the hobby for personal and family reasons. I'm not jumping out all the way (I have too much invested into the hobby to get out completely grin). I do, however, want to keep up with the new trends and technologies pertaining to the hobby. I've notice that Futaba has the new 14-MZ coming out. Wow, what a radio! Then I've read about the new JR 9303 in the February issue of Model Aviation. Of course, Multiplex has a replacement (?) for the 3030 which is the Royal Evo line of transmitters. Now where is Airtronics in the picture? I've heard rumors (?) that Airtronics is giving up doing 50 MHz frequencies for their transmitters. The Stylus transmitter which is Airtronics flagship radio for years is showing its age compared to the newer radios coming out by their competitors. Does anyone in the group know about any new tricks up Airtronics sleeve? Enquiring minds wants to know. Aloha to all in the group. Al Battad - WH6VE AMA #506981 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Copying Designs/Plans
They own the name, and in what I understand, that's what is in play here. You can make an F-104 and call it a gizmo 2000. Certainly the model manufacturer is not threatening or infringing on any full scale design patents. The general shape is most likely not an issue. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Simon Van Leeuwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:47 PM To: Doug McLaren Cc: fly1milehi; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Copying Designs/Plans My apologies, maybe it was you have gave a nice breakdown of copyright versus patent. Good points..which makes me wonder precisely what the original threat of litigation to cease and disist manufacture of replica miniatures was about... Quoting Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 10:38:35AM -0800, Simon Van Leeuwen wrote: | Apparent(!) patent infringement is what Lockheed Martin (the example in the | original thread) is using to thwart those who wish to offer radio control | models, AND static (plastic) models that look similar to what they built (like | the F-104, U2, etc). Are you sure it's patents? _Any_ patents on the F-104 and U2 would have expired by now. After all, patents are only good for 20 years, and both the U2 and the F-104 were created in the 50s. Any copyrights may have expired as well, though the specifics would depend on exactly what part of the law applied -- for example, does producing a plane count as `publishing with notice'? (Of course, there's the question about it being covered by copyright at all.) http://www.unc.edu/~unclng/public-d.htm Gives a nice summary, but doesn't answer the question. | Tom was gracious enough to point out the significant differences between | copyright and patent, go read his email too. I did too, and mentioned trademarks as well. This is a nice table -- http://www.patent-faq.com/types.htm that talks about the various types of protection. Whatever LM thinks they have, it's got to be in here somewhere. If somebody were to get a reasonably good IP lawyer and fight LM on this, I suspect that they could actually win. Of course, that good IP lawyer I was talking aobut would probably have a better idea of the chances than I do. | If readers projected just a smiggen of such wasted energy towards | the appropriate targets (like bad government, Lockheed Martin) as | they do towards fellow posters, we would be living in Valhalla... Isn't Valhalla the place where the fight all day long and get resurrected each morning so they can fight again? In any event, there's not much energy involved in online flaming. Try to translate that to real world money, and you could probably buy about six minutes of a lawyer's time. Ob Soaring related: Unfortunately, Austin, TX weather has not been conducive to soaring lately. Cloudy, drippy and not even windy. A few people went slope soaring last saturday, but I didn't even think it was windy enough to skip out on work for it (or I would have ... the DTs are starting up. Flying with a motor takes the edge off, but the weather hasn't even been good for that ...) -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sometimes paranoia is just a heightened state of awareness... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Yet Another Servo ?
1. Where do Airtronics servos fit into the pantheon of servos? 2. Are there other mail order/web dealers that sell JR servos besides Horizon Hobby? -- Jim -- Oklahoma AMA, TULSOAR RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Yet Another Servo ?
You can't do better then Johny Berlin! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 06:18:11 -0600 Jim Holliman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. Where do Airtronics servos fit into the pantheon of servos? 2. Are there other mail order/web dealers that sell JR servos besides Horizon Hobby? -- Jim -- Oklahoma AMA, TULSOAR RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Mike Remus LOFT Glider Club Fort Wayne IN LSF Level 5 #112 Remember; Dreams are the seedlings of reality. Dream Lofty dreams! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: ? Ron Scheu email?
This Ron ? http://ycsoaring.com/RonsCases.htm -- MDM MDM's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=7716 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=332998 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Items for sale
Are you willing to part with 1 or 2 of the 92185's separately? Kevin Johnny Berlin Wrote: I have the following for sale. Airtronics Stylus TX w/ glider 50 MM card. 2 batterys, 1 stock and 1-1100ma, 3 RF decks 1 on 38,1 on 39 and 1 on 50. 3-92185 recivers. 2 on ch 38 and 1 on ch 50. charger and DSC cord included. System is in very nice condition. Would like to get $500.00 shipped and insured -- powderpig2004 powderpig2004's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=54722 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=162474 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Airtronics Servos FS
I was looking for only 2 of the 94141's - would you consider spliting the group? Kevin -- powderpig2004 powderpig2004's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=54722 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=332604 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: The perfect platform or Not....
John Erickson Wrote: Thomas, I'm still trying to figure out how the Sharon 3.7 does it. The Sharon's flew beautifully this last weekend in Phoenix. Great plane for the mid winds and thermal cycles they had at the contest. The Sharon has a 7037 at the root, transitioning to a RG-15 at the tips. Seems totally backwards; more camber at the root than at the tips. This is aerodynamic washin unless there is some twist in the molding process. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA On the Sharon the transition to the RG is about 12 of span from the root. What they had was a fuse with a 7037 a wing saddle in hand and modified the lower section of an RG15 wing to fit it. I really don't think it was for aerodynamic reasons. Tom Tom. -- F3X F3X's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?action=getinfouserid=4385 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=332710 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] The muddy field of copying
In my younger years I worked at a famous design department and I assure you that copying goes on all the time. Just as us amateurs borrow details we liked from models we've built before, professional designers do the same. If you're an optics designer you look through lapsed patents to see if there is anything there you could use, if you're designing the rear view mirror of a truck you check what the competition are up to, and steal those ideas you like, in a slightly modified form, and so on. When the Russians stole the general arrangement plans of the Concorde, they realized that their manufacturing skills in all departments were not quite up to the Brits and Frogs level, and besides they were behind time-wise and were ordered to fly first, so they simply used a simplified design, with a few work-arounds - the fuel trimming system of the Concorde was replaced by a highly advanced, retractable, canard with double-slotted flaps, et cetera. And how many models isn't there out there copying the Zagi, or the Lazy Bee? And for scale models there can be very little you can do if someone makes a mold from your model, that in turn is a scaled down copy of the real thing?! As long as the innards are different of the resulting model I doubt that anyone can do anything about it! And copying doesn't need to be done as crudely as making a plug out of a commercial kit; you could simply do a 3-D scan of the fuselage and wings and then make your own copy a little bigger, or smaller, just as you like, with little extra work involved! If your scanner is big enough you can scan the full-size aircraft, of course! What one shouldn't do is to copy the mechanical solutions inside the kit, unless they are old and proven. Just as with chip production reverse engineering is perfectly legal, as long as the end result has taken another route to get there! In software this is a problem, as a routine written by someone can easily be stolen as it is, and reused and then compiled into something the original author wouldn't recognise. The type of GUI (Graphic User Interface, like Windows) we all are used to today were originally created by Xerox research teams, but were quickly stolen by Apple and Microsoft, to mention a few, while the three-button mouse was originally treated as a hot potato (being a mechanical device) and wasn't stolen till later :-)! Still think Lockheed are nuts, period! Tord RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
Question: Don't know if an official word was passed out on the Triad, is this DEAD? We still have the Southwest Classic, Visalia, and Spring Fling last year... so what is going on with this Triad event? Don't we have enough interest to bring this back and help bring more interest for these events? I guess I'm trying to get my flying fix, can't get enough flight time in! How about restructuring some sort of TD Championship that might involve flying in different States, East Coast, Central Region and West Coast! It's a small world as we all know it and I would be interested in attending such an event! Any others out there interested in such a thing? I'm just bored at work and thinking about flying as usual... hence the AKA The Soaring Junkie nick-name! Edgar The Soaring Junkie __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: The perfect platform or Not....
What they had was a fuse with a 7037 a wing saddle in hand and modified the lower section of an RG15 wing to fit it. I really don't think it was for aerodynamic reasons. I agree. I just purchased a Sharon for use at this upcoming TS. I have one of HKM's Space Pro F3B models also. Anyway, as the Sharon was leaning against the wall, as models will do, I noticed some distinct similarities... so I brought out the tip panel from my Space Pro (RG15 full span)... and plugged it right into the Sharon's center panel. Tooling is so time consuming and expensive on our molded toys, and they have come up with a way to mix and match parts that seems to work. As far as why the Sharon works? I agree, it's just too wierd, but it does work extremely well. Planform is good, section combination = weird. But then of course... there's all that span, span, and more span. hmm. ;-) D __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
Edgar, I agree with you. More major soaring events are needed. As I understand it, Sacramento is interested in becoming the 3rd leg of the triad. I think this is a valid way to keep it going. I would also like to be able to attend a soaring championship. We do have the Nat's, but the numbers seem to be a little low on turnout to really call it a championship. Maybe some encouragement to attend the Nat's could make it the event it's title indicates. Justin Ammon V.P. CASL CEO EdgeRC Inc 480-593-2458 www.edgerc.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Flying High [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: exchange soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc... Question: Don't know if an official word was passed out on the Triad, is this DEAD? We still have the Southwest Classic, Visalia, and Spring Fling last year... so what is going on with this Triad event? Don't we have enough interest to bring this back and help bring more interest for these events? I guess I'm trying to get my flying fix, can't get enough flight time in! How about restructuring some sort of TD Championship that might involve flying in different States, East Coast, Central Region and West Coast! It's a small world as we all know it and I would be interested in attending such an event! Any others out there interested in such a thing? I'm just bored at work and thinking about flying as usual... hence the AKA The Soaring Junkie nick-name! Edgar The Soaring Junkie __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Speaking of the Nats
I sent in my entry...While looking at the Nats info on the LSF site, I see we are using a different landing task than last year, but there is no info as to what it is.?? Any one know? I'm sure looking forward to seeing all you fine folks that attend the Nats, AND meeting JoJoBrian Smith RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Yet Another Servo ?
Jim - At some time in the past the Airtronics servo had a spot in my planes. Once upon a time it was worth paying extra to get a 141 because it was the only servo that had metal gears, high torque, and compact size. All of these factors made it a great wing servo 10 years ago. Today that is not the same. They do occupy a space in my servo pantheon - but the space is at the bottom rear of a drawer that hasen't been opened for many years. If I were more ambitous I'd clean the drawer out and be done with them. JR servos are the king of my servo heirarchy today. I get them locally if available, otherwise I get them from Johnny Berlin. happy trails- Rob Glover 1. Where do Airtronics servos fit into the pantheon of servos? 2. Are there other mail order/web dealers that sell JR servos besides Horizon Hobby? -- Jim -- Oklahoma AMA, TULSOAR RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Lockheed Martin is Attempting to kill the kit business
The rocket guys had a discussion about copyright/patents/royalties on model airplanes a couple weeks ago. Same results. Lots o' whining and no action plan. The question is whose job is it to organize a campaign? I expect it is going to be someone with some pockets, connections and petitioning experience. AMA? Some small business person's organization? Not to sound too alarmist, but this might be a good time show some unity and organization skills before some obsure provision of the Homeland Security Act starts to infringe on our rights to fly anything. - Original Message - From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Simon Van Leeuwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Lockheed Martin is Attempting to kill the kit business Simon, I think there are a few venues to bring this situation to light: CBS 60 Minutes Jay Leno Dave Letterman Each of these is accessible via email. Maybe if the situation got very public exposure I know I would mind seeing Jay or Dave listen to Don Stackhouse of DJ Aerotech explain the situation. Jim Deck Jim Deck -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 2/3/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Speaking of the Nats
Title: RE: [RCSE] Speaking of the Nats Brian et. al. The landing will be a 100" - 100 point tape spot landing. One point per inch, nothing mind bending, but a good test. General set up of the landing zone will be the same as in years past with a barrier fence and such. It will show up in the LSF webpage in due time, Tom Kallevang is really working hard for Sears-K Mart right now and when he can it will appear. Marc Gellart 2005 Soaring Nationals Event Director-Original Message-From: Brian Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wed, 09 February 2005 12:28:07To: soaring@airage.comSubject: [RCSE] Speaking of the NatsI sent in my entry...While looking at the Nats info on the LSF site, I seewe are using a different landing task than last year, but there is no infoas to what it is.?? Any one know?I'm sure looking forward to seeing all you fine folks that attend theNats, "AND" meeting JoJoBrian SmithRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] More Airtronics Servos F/S - 94921Z
Looks like this is the Airtronics Servo For Sale week... I've got 6 Airtronics 94921Z servos (NIB) for sale. These are a low-profile, dual ball bearing servo with the Z connector. They retail for $85 each. I'll split them up @ $70 each or take $350 for all 6. Please contact me off-line if interested... Thanks for the bandwidth! -Sheldon- YNT uDesign A Soaring Nationals Supporter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Yet Another Servo ?
The 94141 was for years the only quality servo available for sailplane junkies. It outperforms most (if not all) analog servos in it's size range. Now that smaller (thinner) servos are available that exceed the 141 in torque and speed, few if any will exceed it in the strength department. That is, to hold up when you drag that flap across the ground during landing. For those who do not have deep pockets, or the desire to own the latest new fangled servo, they are excellent. Extremely reliable, no temperature drift (like the Volz offerings), easily repaired (Airtronics has really quick turnaround, just like Hitec) and don't cost an arm and a leg. As servos evolve and offer more torque in smaller packages, their application envelope also narrows. It's interesting and noteworthy that JR have elected to release a servo that for all intents and purposes is identical to the Hitec HS- 125/5125 series. The 5125 has easily replaced not only the 141's I used for years, but also my Volz servos. They just perform better in my circumstances. On the Hitec's I have yet to experience any gear damage, whereas I have with both Volz and JR. This includes forays into the 400KmH+ zone on sailplanes, 10- 27cell F5B, and now EDF. The point is, all the current offerings have their advantages and disadvantages. There are folks who have had success with all the brands currently available, as well as failures. But if you are looking for a good allround servo that won't break the bank, the 141 is an excellent candidate. 1. Where do Airtronics servos fit into the pantheon of servos? 2. Are there other mail order/web dealers that sell JR servos besides Horizon Hobby? -- Jim -- Oklahoma AMA, TULSOAR RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
I agree. The western states triad was and still is a great idea. Visalia is a great venue for the anchor event, but there has to be an organizer that can draw together the contest results data and include the standings and pilot data to the organizers of the next event. So the SWC scores have to be normalized and provided to the Spring Fling organizers, then those results combined with SWC's and provided to the Visalia orgainzers. This will have to be done in advance so the guys tallying the scores have data to include in their spreadsheet at the end of the contest. Also, if awards are to be given, the organizer will have to make that happen as well and communicate with the involved clubs. I think this could be a one man deal. However, I am already spread way too thin to take it on. What about you Edgar? Any time to throw at this project? Take care, Mike At 08:34 AM 2/9/2005, Flying High wrote: Question: Don't know if an official word was passed out on the Triad, is this DEAD? We still have the Southwest Classic, Visalia, and Spring Fling last year... so what is going on with this Triad event? Don't we have enough interest to bring this back and help bring more interest for these events? I guess I'm trying to get my flying fix, can't get enough flight time in! How about restructuring some sort of TD Championship that might involve flying in different States, East Coast, Central Region and West Coast! It's a small world as we all know it and I would be interested in attending such an event! Any others out there interested in such a thing? I'm just bored at work and thinking about flying as usual... hence the AKA The Soaring Junkie nick-name! Edgar The Soaring Junkie __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] VMS connectors
As originally posted by Gordy concerning the Volz servos tiny VMS connector system I'd like to go on record as stating that the VMS system is not a proprietary connector system. I feel that it is misleading to state so otherwise. While these connectors are being marketed and branded by Volz as Volz Microconnector System, these connectors are, in fact, made by JST. They are called the ZH series micro connectors. You can view the PDF spec sheet from JST through this link: http://www.jst-mfg.com/pdfE/eZH.pdf I came upon this information while researching expansion port connectors on the MPX EVO radio. The EVO has JST stamped adjacent to the expansion widget plug in ports on the mainboard. Fellow EVO pilots confirmed and located the information concerning these connectors. If anyone is interested in obtaining these, they can be found from www.maxxprod.com , www.lightflightrc.com as well as from Gordy directly. Shop around though, prices vary quite a bit. These are great connectors and since they are so small, will generally fit within servo wiring tubes without needing to cut and solder the connectors in order to install the wing servos. I don't know if they will eventually catch on, but they have the merits to do so. -joedy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
I agree. The western states triad was and still is a great idea. Visalia is a great venue for the anchor event, but there has to be an organizer that can draw together the contest results data and include the standings and pilot data to the organizers of the next event. So the SWC scores have to be normalized and provided to the Spring Fling organizers, then those results combined with SWC's and provided to the Visalia orgainzers. This will have to be done in advance so the guys tallying the scores have data to include in their spreadsheet at the end of the contest. Also, if awards are to be given, the organizer will have to make that happen as well and communicate with the involved clubs. I think this could be a one man deal. However, I am already spread way too thin to take it on. What about you Edgar? Any time to throw at this project? Take care, Mike At 08:34 AM 2/9/2005, Flying High wrote: Question: Don't know if an official word was passed out on the Triad, is this DEAD? We still have the Southwest Classic, Visalia, and Spring Fling last year... so what is going on with this Triad event? Don't we have enough interest to bring this back and help bring more interest for these events? I guess I'm trying to get my flying fix, can't get enough flight time in! How about restructuring some sort of TD Championship that might involve flying in different States, East Coast, Central Region and West Coast! It's a small world as we all know it and I would be interested in attending such an event! Any others out there interested in such a thing? I'm just bored at work and thinking about flying as usual... hence the AKA The Soaring Junkie nick-name! Edgar The Soaring Junkie __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Copying Designs/Plans
Question: Does it matter that the Government, as Dept of the Army (prior to 1948) was the originator of these designations, as in P-38 or US Air Force as in U-2 etc. and NOT Lockheed (Martin)? And since it wasn't even Lockheed Martin, do they have any rights to it at all? And, I guess this means there won't be any Martin B-10's or B-26 Widomakers kitted either. .bcAG4YQ Williamsburg, VA Apparent(!) patent infringement is what Lockheed Martin (the example in the original thread) is using to thwart those who wish to offer radio control models, AND static (plastic) models that look similar to what they built (like the F-104, U2, etc). RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
The midwest OVSS series are active, and we fly the real deal, MoM TD. 7 to 8 contests held across a 4 state region. It's some traveling, but we would love to see you. At 10:34 AM 2/9/2005, Flying High wrote: How about restructuring some sort of TD Championship that might involve flying in different States, East Coast, Central Region and West Coast! Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS NYX F3F Carbon RTF
Hi Guys, I am sure I will regret it later, but I am offering for sale my NYX F3F Carbon. This plane is Yellow Tops with Red/White Tips, Red Bottoms with Yellow Stripes and Yellow Fuse. The plane is good to very good condition. The fuselage was broken in a hard landing but has been completely repaired both structurally and cosmetically. The wings have couple of small srapes and dings. The plane comes with JR DS368's on Flaps and Rudder, DS168's on the ailerons and DS3421 on the elevator and Hoopes Connectors to connect them all up. All servos are mounted in mounts and are plug and play for easy replacement in the field. A super nice ballast system is also included with the plane. I will send detailed digital pictures of the plane to any serious inquiries. I am asking $1300.00 shipped Ground to any address in the CONUSA. The reason I am selling this plane is to finance the developement of my own World Beater Slope Racer. See Ya, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
Justin, why don't you attend and see if you have the same opinion. Anyone that wins at Nats is the Champion, there is always representative skills and talent there. It's a very challenging set of contests over the week. So I encourage you and others to attend, you will have fun, you will meet and fly with some very special people day after day. You will learn, and you will be challenged, and get to fly on the AMA grounds, very nice. It really is a good time, it wears me out and rejuvenates me simultaneously. 8-) At 11:05 AM 2/9/2005, Justin Ammon wrote: We do have the Nat's, but the numbers seem to be a little low on turnout to really call it a championship. Maybe some encouragement to attend the Nat's could make it the event it's title indicates. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Volz Micro Connectors ARE nice :-)
I'd like to go on record as stating that the "VMS" system is not a proprietary connector system. I feel that it is misleading to state so otherwise. tiny VMS connector system Hi Joedy, Yup its a feeling..of yours. No one I know of stated that it was proprietary or anything else in that vein. What it is definitely ...is just another benefit of the Volz servo system and credit should go to Michael for incorporating it into his servosfor more than 10 years! I don't know if they will eventually catch on, but they have the merits to do so. 'for more than 10 years" they have been a critiical part of a servo designed specifically for use in high performance competiton sailplanes. A good thing is a good thing, but not sure what your first point was about. VMS is really just a simple way to indicate those little darlings versus the usual servo connectors, no evil conspiracy to misleadthere :-) The rest of your post was good info. You can get themto modify and adapt other brand servosaway from chopping and soldering. Thanks for the info! Gordy
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
I have read this thread with interest, and offer a couple of thoughts, A couple of years ago, Dr. Dan submitted a proposal, (Actually Several) for just this kind of thing, and then to base the same around the LSF. We talked to the idea of East Coast, West Coast, MId States, North and South Regions, ( although we did not talk divying how to do it);With a regoinal in those zones. You then take the top 5 ( or whatever)from each region, hook up in a central "TO ALL OR MOST" hosting city, and have at it. We were not sure about restricting the entry to the regional players only, or allowing anyone plus the regional guys. Another idea was to have a CASH bash, you may have see a query from me on this in the past, I dropped the idea after a na sayer compared the idea a horse championship or something, and crap about people stretching their limits, crashing planes and alikedrugs, sex and rock and rollgeez At anyrate, I was at the point of being too busy with moving, work the LSF and the Nats to presue it further. The major issue for anyone is time, record keeping, and finding sponsors. The issue with the last item, is "IF" you can find a sponsor, you will probably be out of luck till the next year when they can budget you... Or I had one guy want a list of the contestants up front, ( bet you can't guess who !!!), and then he might find something for you Point is, even with todays electronic age, something like this requires "SOME" work which goesusally not rewarded, in any fashion or form. Lets face it most (NOT ALL)of glider guider populace, are cheap, won't travel, expect everything for nothing, and will absolutely refuse to send an e-mail, or a post card; ( And I know this to be a fact, as I knew one Donor to the Nats raffle that put addresses and stamped postcards in their donation package, all they had to do was mail the darn thing ) to Thank the vendors, donors and/ or Sponsors. Ergo, there is noithing in it for them except agvaration. Heck, I know of another guy, who won a really nice prize at an event. He decided he did not want the prize and he tried to sell the prize back to the donor, FOR RETAIL Needless to say that donor has left usI can't blame them either. There is a hearty few of us, who will take the time, to travel, spend the money to lodge, and enjoy the people we meet... a hearty few !!! Its just not worth the effort !! My 2 Cents !! Thanks for the bandwith Jack --Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
Years ago there was an effort to run a masters Event..Open only to LSF 5 flyers and others who may qualify by winning the Nats, Tangerine or Mid South.. Problem was there were too few who qualified and it went no where fast I thought it was a good idea at the time.. But I imagine it would face the same problem unless qualifications were loweredBrian Smith - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc... Justin, why don't you attend and see if you have the same opinion. Anyone that wins at Nats is the Champion, there is always representative skills and talent there. It's a very challenging set of contests over the week. So I encourage you and others to attend, you will have fun, you will meet and fly with some very special people day after day. You will learn, and you will be challenged, and get to fly on the AMA grounds, very nice. It really is a good time, it wears me out and rejuvenates me simultaneously. 8-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
I had the chance to go to the '99 Nats and had a great time. I'm going back this year. I really like the MonM format. There were several times where 6 minutes won a 10 minute round because everyone tanked. The only thing the Nats needs now is the hands free retrievers like we used at the SW, safety and efficiency. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc... Justin, why don't you attend and see if you have the same opinion. Anyone that wins at Nats is the Champion, there is always representative skills and talent there. It's a very challenging set of contests over the week. So I encourage you and others to attend, you will have fun, you will meet and fly with some very special people day after day. You will learn, and you will be challenged, and get to fly on the AMA grounds, very nice. It really is a good time, it wears me out and rejuvenates me simultaneously. 8-) At 11:05 AM 2/9/2005, Justin Ammon wrote: We do have the Nat's, but the numbers seem to be a little low on turnout to really call it a championship. Maybe some encouragement to attend the Nat's could make it the event it's title indicates. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
On 2/9/05 14:21 Darwin N. Barrie wrote: The only thing the Nats needs now is the hands free retrievers like we used at the SW, safety and efficiency. If memory serves me they use organic retrievers at the NATS. They come equipped with small motor driven devices near their hindquarters and they scoot back and forth with the lines only AFTER a launch. No chance of a hang up, etc. Seems like a good system. And I will leave the preferring man on man stuff alone, for now! ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights
Sadly I have tried the Hitec 5125MG. I say sadly because it costed me some flying time in 3 great competitions. I even burnt my fingers on one. Flew 10min with one flap in start position and landed on the mark (Nordic championship...). Flipped the model around and ripped the cover off. Man that servo was hot! The Hitec 5125 is really fast. It is great on neutral and fits in most models. But the gears need to be changed. First it gets sloppy - then the gear locks. Hitec could have had a winner here but probably wanted to get the price down with alu gears. If one really need 10-11mm servos there are other choices that should be mentioned. Volz WingMaxx (and Star..) now is digital and the New Futaba 3150 might be a choice! I am bowing to you guys for giving me the chance to compete against you. Hopefully I can also give something back with pictures and txt on the web after the Nats (or maybe even while we are there). A big thanks to what seems to be my team during the F3J-Nats also. Don Richmond, Rob Glover and Larry Ruble have taken me under their wings. BTW I even got a Paypal donation from a Swede today :-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:56:05 -0600 From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just noticed Gordy's street address is 9303! You are destined to own that TX... 8-) hahahha P.S. Just sent my donation into the bring JoJo to Nats fund, I sure hope you can make it dude. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights
Where many of us stay, The Roberts Hotel in Muncie, it has high speed WiFi. Even if you don't end up staying there, you could come visit for a drink at the bar where many of us have laptops with WiFi going. I hope to improve my live Nats coverage this year. At 04:43 PM 2/9/2005, Jo Grini wrote: Hopefully I can also give something back with pictures and txt on the web after the Nats (or maybe even while we are there). Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights
Oh I forgot. It has been some talking that the fastest DS performed was with a Hitec 5125 on the elevator So I might have used mine wrong.. :-O 262mph by Kyle Paulson with a 2m Extreme is pretty cool. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no - Original Message - From: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights Sadly I have tried the Hitec 5125MG. I say sadly because it costed me some flying time in 3 great competitions. I even burnt my fingers on one. Flew 10min with one flap in start position and landed on the mark (Nordic championship...). Flipped the model around and ripped the cover off. Man that servo was hot! The Hitec 5125 is really fast. It is great on neutral and fits in most models. But the gears need to be changed. First it gets sloppy - then the gear locks. Hitec could have had a winner here but probably wanted to get the price down with alu gears. If one really need 10-11mm servos there are other choices that should be mentioned. Volz WingMaxx (and Star..) now is digital and the New Futaba 3150 might be a choice! I am bowing to you guys for giving me the chance to compete against you. Hopefully I can also give something back with pictures and txt on the web after the Nats (or maybe even while we are there). A big thanks to what seems to be my team during the F3J-Nats also. Don Richmond, Rob Glover and Larry Ruble have taken me under their wings. BTW I even got a Paypal donation from a Swede today :-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:56:05 -0600 From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just noticed Gordy's street address is 9303! You are destined to own that TX... 8-) hahahha P.S. Just sent my donation into the bring JoJo to Nats fund, I sure hope you can make it dude. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
You need more flying? Come up to the northwest we can keep you flying. Currently the Northwest Soaring Society has 14 contests scheduled (we are down a few from most years) not counting our year end tournament. take a look www.northwestsoaring.org -Original Message- From: Flying High [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:34 AM To: exchange Subject: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc... Question: Don't know if an official word was passed out on the Triad, is this DEAD? We still have the Southwest Classic, Visalia, and Spring Fling last year... so what is going on with this Triad event? Don't we have enough interest to bring this back and help bring more interest for these events? I guess I'm trying to get my flying fix, can't get enough flight time in! How about restructuring some sort of TD Championship that might involve flying in different States, East Coast, Central Region and West Coast! It's a small world as we all know it and I would be interested in attending such an event! Any others out there interested in such a thing? I'm just bored at work and thinking about flying as usual... hence the AKA The Soaring Junkie nick-name! Edgar The Soaring Junkie __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] VMS connectors
You are correct, the original claim of proprietary is/was misleading. I doubt these 1.5mm pitch connectors will ever become popular though. In fact they have a number of shortcomings; - can only accept 26 to 32awg lead - maximum current rating is 1 amp at a low 50V - Not compatible with anything else, which requires you to buy an extension, which increases the R losses by having to employ more of these measly connectors. The ZH compact connectors are great in the miniature world of electronics, especially low voltage low current applications (like cellphones etc, they are even too big for this application now). Go to: http://www.jst.com/index.html to see their complete line-up and the specification sheet. I offer customers the option of sending me their servos so I can install special locking connector housings that mate to the male housing I normally install on the other ends of the custom made wiring harnesses. In the end, the customer gains the ability to use the servos (Volz or otherwise - the locking mechanism is easily removed) in other aircraft by simply being able to plug into any standard 0.100 receiver or extension. All the OEM's on both sides of the pond supply connectivity based on 0.100 spacing. It's time Volz got with the program. They would certainly sell more product... Quoting Joedy Drulia [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As originally posted by Gordy concerning the Volz servos tiny VMS connector system I'd like to go on record as stating that the VMS system is not a proprietary connector system. I feel that it is misleading to state so otherwise. While these connectors are being marketed and branded by Volz as Volz Microconnector System, these connectors are, in fact, made by JST. They are called the ZH series micro connectors. You can view the PDF spec sheet from JST through this link: http://www.jst-mfg.com/pdfE/eZH.pdf I came upon this information while researching expansion port connectors on the MPX EVO radio. The EVO has JST stamped adjacent to the expansion widget plug in ports on the mainboard. Fellow EVO pilots confirmed and located the information concerning these connectors. If anyone is interested in obtaining these, they can be found from www.maxxprod.com , www.lightflightrc.com as well as from Gordy directly. Shop around though, prices vary quite a bit. These are great connectors and since they are so small, will generally fit within servo wiring tubes without needing to cut and solder the connectors in order to install the wing servos. I don't know if they will eventually catch on, but they have the merits to do so. -joedy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights
The Extreme DS is set up so the elevator servo goes inside the fin, making the linkage about 1 1/2 long. There's room in there for a 5125 or a DS168. I don't know if a WingMaxx would fit or not. Frank -Original Message- From: Jo Grini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:59 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights Oh I forgot. It has been some talking that the fastest DS performed was with a Hitec 5125 on the elevator So I might have used mine wrong.. :-O 262mph by Kyle Paulson with a 2m Extreme is pretty cool. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no - Original Message - From: Jo Grini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights Sadly I have tried the Hitec 5125MG. I say sadly because it costed me some flying time in 3 great competitions. I even burnt my fingers on one. Flew 10min with one flap in start position and landed on the mark (Nordic championship...). Flipped the model around and ripped the cover off. Man that servo was hot! The Hitec 5125 is really fast. It is great on neutral and fits in most models. But the gears need to be changed. First it gets sloppy - then the gear locks. Hitec could have had a winner here but probably wanted to get the price down with alu gears. If one really need 10-11mm servos there are other choices that should be mentioned. Volz WingMaxx (and Star..) now is digital and the New Futaba 3150 might be a choice! I am bowing to you guys for giving me the chance to compete against you. Hopefully I can also give something back with pictures and txt on the web after the Nats (or maybe even while we are there). A big thanks to what seems to be my team during the F3J-Nats also. Don Richmond, Rob Glover and Larry Ruble have taken me under their wings. BTW I even got a Paypal donation from a Swede today :-) Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 22:56:05 -0600 From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just noticed Gordy's street address is 9303! You are destined to own that TX... 8-) hahahha P.S. Just sent my donation into the bring JoJo to Nats fund, I sure hope you can make it dude. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
That link was a little short www.northwestsoaringsociety.org -Original Message- From: David Portwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:16 PM To: 'Flying High'; 'exchange' Subject: RE: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc... You need more flying? Come up to the northwest we can keep you flying. Currently the Northwest Soaring Society has 14 contests scheduled (we are down a few from most years) not counting our year end tournament. take a look www.northwestsoaring.org -Original Message- From: Flying High [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:34 AM To: exchange Subject: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc... Question: Don't know if an official word was passed out on the Triad, is this DEAD? We still have the Southwest Classic, Visalia, and Spring Fling last year... so what is going on with this Triad event? Don't we have enough interest to bring this back and help bring more interest for these events? I guess I'm trying to get my flying fix, can't get enough flight time in! How about restructuring some sort of TD Championship that might involve flying in different States, East Coast, Central Region and West Coast! It's a small world as we all know it and I would be interested in attending such an event! Any others out there interested in such a thing? I'm just bored at work and thinking about flying as usual... hence the AKA The Soaring Junkie nick-name! Edgar The Soaring Junkie __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
Don't let Edgar fool you. We have LOTS going on here in SOCAL. First there is the SC-Squared (SC2) contest series. 8 events this year that will draw between 40 and 60 pilots per event including a few you may recognize like Wurts, Perkins, Jolly, Smith, Sage and so on. Then there are about 8 or 9 clubs between Sand Diego (TPG) and Thousand Oaks (TOSS) who each do a monthly contest. They are pretty well spaced with not all being the same weekends and some on Saturday and others on Sunday. I think if you wanted to you could fly a contest every weekend, or at least 3 out of 4 weekends, each month. Then there is Phoenix, Visalia and Sacramento along with the NATS for those that want to make the trip. Edgar is just hard to please. Like he said, he's a junkie!! ~~~ Bill Malvey RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: [SALglider] Bagging curved wingtips
Hi Arne, Maybe I missed an earlier post of yours, but pray tell, what is this mysterious compressor of yours? I'm considering a purchase of a 1/3hp Embraco compressor (refrigerator compressor) to serve double duty as a quiet compressor for my airbrushing and as a vacuum pump for bagging stuff. I can get them here in Canada for $150 brand new. If it'll work, the price is right !!! Dan - Original Message - From: Arne Ansper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: RE: [SALglider] Bagging curved wingtips On Mon, 7 Feb 2005, martin kopplow wrote: Arne, you really suck! ;o) Yep :) But I found something that does it better and holds its breath better too. New compressor pulls full vacuum (measured directly from hose) and keeps it at least for two hours when disconnected. My quick-n-dirty testbag had about -0.9bar (~26 Hg) (measured from the other end of the bag) and the thinned mylar went around the curved wingtip very well. New compressor is also very silent and does not get hot at all. Best regards, Arne Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SALglider/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
Sorry guys, wasn't bashing the Nats... I am attending this year. I was simply commenting on numbers alone. The larger the contestant pool the better in my opinion. I think the Nats as the Championship is a great thing. Justin Ammon V.P. CASL CEO EdgeRC Inc 480-593-2458 www.edgerc.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: James V. Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc... Justin, why don't you attend and see if you have the same opinion. Anyone that wins at Nats is the Champion, there is always representative skills and talent there. It's a very challenging set of contests over the week. So I encourage you and others to attend, you will have fun, you will meet and fly with some very special people day after day. You will learn, and you will be challenged, and get to fly on the AMA grounds, very nice. It really is a good time, it wears me out and rejuvenates me simultaneously. 8-) At 11:05 AM 2/9/2005, Justin Ammon wrote: We do have the Nat's, but the numbers seem to be a little low on turnout to really call it a championship. Maybe some encouragement to attend the Nat's could make it the event it's title indicates. Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV ICQ: 6997780 AIM: InventorJim R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
The Triad was a real neat concept. If memory serves me correctly, it started out with the SWC, the Rose Bowl 2 day, then Visalia representing the last leg. It was awarded to the top scoring pilot over the three comps, after scores from each contest were normalized to 1,000. It has died a slow death, with the death of the Pasadena club. A few clubs tried to keep it alive, ISS held the second leg, then the guys in Sac tried to keep it alive. But I don't think anyone reported the results to the proper person at Visalia, to award the trophy. I made the trek to all the contests a couple of times in search of the title, only to have the trophy not be awarded. It may have been moved, but the last time I saw the trophy (it's a perpetual trophy - and it's just awful looking) it was in the trailer at Visalia. I dropped it off and ran It's in a huge wooden box, very well protected. I'd love to see it resurrected. Shows consistency, amongst the top western soaring pilots. D __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
Slowly coming back to me . . . I was approached by someone at Visalia (lost that contact info) who wanted to represent the 2nd leg (I assume it was the Sacramento club). If all we need to do as the first leg is normalize the scores and forward them we can do the triad this year. If that person is out there ping me off list and I will get you the normalized scores. Could someone at Visalia verify the location of the trophy? Paul www.casl.net PS I like the regional over national. Very few have the resources to travel that far. There are no good thermals east of the Rockies anyway ;^P On Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:22:25 -0800 (PST), Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Triad was a real neat concept. If memory serves me correctly, it started out with the SWC, the Rose Bowl 2 day, then Visalia representing the last leg. It was awarded to the top scoring pilot over the three comps, after scores from each contest were normalized to 1,000. It has died a slow death, with the death of the Pasadena club. A few clubs tried to keep it alive, ISS held the second leg, then the guys in Sac tried to keep it alive. But I don't think anyone reported the results to the proper person at Visalia, to award the trophy. I made the trek to all the contests a couple of times in search of the title, only to have the trophy not be awarded. It may have been moved, but the last time I saw the trophy (it's a perpetual trophy - and it's just awful looking) it was in the trailer at Visalia. I dropped it off and ran It's in a huge wooden box, very well protected. I'd love to see it resurrected. Shows consistency, amongst the top western soaring pilots. D __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Hitec /JR thin Servo insights
Oh I forgot. It has been some talking that the fastest DS performed was with a Hitec 5125 on the elevator So I might have used mine wrong.. :-O262mph by Kyle Paulson with a 2m Extreme is pretty cool. Kyle recently switched to Volz Micro Maxx Digital Carbon Steel Gear HP's. Gordy
[RCSE] Higher Lift Airfoils...
I'm still fussing with my solar wing. I've 95% answered my Planform questions, now it is on to airfoils. The Airfoil I flew in 2004 was an airfoil Mark Drela designed for me about 5 years ago. My request to him was a low pitching moment airfoil with flat spots on it to put the solar cells. Since then I've changed solar cells (50% more efficent) and they no longer fit the flat spots. I've also come to the conclusion that as built with a very light trailing edge it is not holding shape well enough to really be low pitching moment. So I'm searching for an airfoil Re will be around 170K 1)I want to minimize sink/maximize climb. This means optimizing (Cl^1.5)/Cd (I think this is the element to maximize) 2)I'd like to minimize pitching moment to reduce wing structure. 3)The wing will be built up I realize that #1 and #2 are some what counter to each other In playing with things in profili I've found nothing that beats the clark-Y for maximizing requirement #1 I know there are much newer airfoils, and it's a bit off topic for a soaring group, but this seems to be where the brains hang out... Paul RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Anyone Got Broken Pike Xtail?
Interested in the complete rear end, stabs and all, but the rear fuse is also good :-) Got another conversion project in mind. Gordy Vegas or bust tomorrow
Re: [RCSE] Thermal Duration Contest: Triad, 2-Days, etc...
YES, let's bring it back to life!!! With the winner having to take a ride in Daryl's plane for a fly-by!!! The way I see it... we have the toys in our hangers, let's find a way to get the most out of them! Fly them as often as possible! Again, I'm just trying to strike up some more interest, I see some clubs closing up and some pilots dropping out of the contest circuit, let's get together among ourselves and make this Fun once again! As well, to give some of us another goal to reach!! That's what it's all about, right guys!!! Edgar The Soaring Junkie --- Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Triad was a real neat concept. If memory serves me correctly, it started out with the SWC, the Rose Bowl 2 day, then Visalia representing the last leg. It was awarded to the top scoring pilot over the three comps, after scores from each contest were normalized to 1,000. It has died a slow death, with the death of the Pasadena club. A few clubs tried to keep it alive, ISS held the second leg, then the guys in Sac tried to keep it alive. But I don't think anyone reported the results to the proper person at Visalia, to award the trophy. I made the trek to all the contests a couple of times in search of the title, only to have the trophy not be awarded. It may have been moved, but the last time I saw the trophy (it's a perpetual trophy - and it's just awful looking) it was in the trailer at Visalia. I dropped it off and ran It's in a huge wooden box, very well protected. I'd love to see it resurrected. Shows consistency, amongst the top western soaring pilots. D __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] VMS connectors
At 10:08 AM 2/9/2005, you wrote: As originally posted by Gordy concerning the Volz servos tiny VMS connector system --snip-- All this chatter about VMS connectors prompts me to throw in my 2-bits. Volz taught me a valuable lesson. Having a connector right next to the servo is a wise thing to do. Alas, the Volz connectors are s small for my tired old eyes and feeble fingers that I have a hard time using them. Alas, I also use JR 368's in most everything and JR hasn't figured that out yet, so I make my own micro-connector set-up. Go to http://www.digikey.com/ Part No. 929834-02-36-ND Part No. 929974-01-36-ND The pictures on the digikey site aren't very good but these are soldered connectors exactly the same size as the connectors we find on servos. Either of the components listed above will fit securely into the regular commercial connectors we know and love. The first one is the male part and the second one is the female part. They are dirt cheap and easy to use. I've had trouble making the press-fit connectors work reliably; soldering is unambiguous. At the servo, after they are installed in, but before they are truly buried in a wing, I slip a bit of heat shrink tubing over the connection to keep all the bits together. I'm not clever enough to have thought this up myself, there use to be a url somewhere describing how to make your own servo leads where I learned about this. Is that site still up? Anyone? Cheers, Bill RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: [SALglider] Bagging curved wingtips
Hi! On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, Dan Kitching wrote: Maybe I missed an earlier post of yours, but pray tell, what is this mysterious compressor of yours? I'm considering a purchase of a 1/3hp Embraco compressor (refrigerator compressor) to serve double duty as a quiet compressor for my airbrushing and as a vacuum pump for bagging stuff. I can get them here in Canada for $150 brand new. If it'll work, the price is right !!! Mine is also refrigerator compressor. I got it for free from the place that removes freon from the old refrigerators before they scraped. They had pile of compressors there, the one that worked well was fourth that I tried - one had electrical leakage inside, one had air leakage inside, one did not start at all and the fourth was ok. If you can get used units cheaply, but are worried about the reliablity, you can always put a check valve between the pump and bag and run two units in parallel. I think that new refrigerator compressor will work well as a vacuum pump. I do not know nothing about airbrushing. BTW, if you can select your compressor select one that is designed for high starting torque. Those compressors are able to start even when there is partial vacuum on the suction side. The low starting torque compressors will not start when there is vacuum on the suction side and require pressure equalization tubing between suction and pressure sides in real refrigerators. LST compressor can still be used for continous run. Also, there are low back pressure, medium back pressure and high back pressure compressors - I did not completely understand what is the difference. Danfoss has very good documentation on their website. Go to www.danfoss.com, Products, Refrigeration and A/C, Compressors, Hermetic Compressors. Select Literature tab and open the Instruction/User guide hive. Mounting Instructions for Danfoss Compressors is good reading if you are rebuilding old unit - lots of this info applies to all refrigerator compressors. Refrigeration - an Introduction to the Basics will explain how to build your own refrigerator and save even more :) Arne RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
