[RCSE] need .cor file NACA 0018
Hi Guys, I hope someone can help. My computer has been down, and I am using a new one. I no longer have my Compufoil program loaded, but I need to generate and forward a .cor file ASAP. Can someone please create a NACA 0018 and send to me please? Sorry to see RCSE go. Thx D
[RCSE] Gotta love RCSE
Thanks guys for all the .cor files. There is no better community than the RC soaring community. OK, you can stop sending them now. ;-) THANKS to all who replied. D
[RCSE] WC Supras for sale (after the contest)
As most of you know, I tend to sell my toys right after a contest - the Worlds is no different. I'm taking 3 virtually pristine Supras to represent US honor in about 2 1/2 weeks. I'll be selling 2 of them either at the contest, or upon my return. This trip is getting quite expensive, and we're still about 12 grand shy of our budget goals. The pilots make up that difference. The 2 I'll be selling will be the carbon lite versions. One is 62.5 ounces, the other is 63.5 ounces. Airtronics 761's all the way around. Ailerons go all the way to the tips. Color scheme is yellow over black. I've found this color scheme to offer the best visibility at the locations I fly. (And, it's kinda cool lookin'). I've got the Supra pretty well figured out, and if the buyer is a Stylus user, I will load my set up for you on your memory card, or send you mine. Ping me offline for pics, prices and details. On another note, Vladimir sent Barry an all carbon version made specially for me - same yellow and black color scheme, my name on the flap. I had originally ordered it, but cancelled it in lieu of a lightweight f/g version. I guess Vladimir never got the memo. If I could afford it, I'd snatch it up. It's a neat model... ping Barry for details. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes I got my watch back - it actually never left. Thanks for all your support... After some Haitian research, turns out I have to cut the head off a live chicken and bathe the watch in the sweat of virgins to get the juju back -the chicken part's easy... but virgins? In Havasu? I don't know man... For further support - please go tohttp://usf3jteam.comand buy something, would ya? ;-) Thanks for the bandwidth dp Darylperkins.com LLC.1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5BLake Havasu City, AZ 86403www.darylperkins.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] A message to the girls he's loved before, Champion of F3B and oh yeah DUH!!!!
I don't want it back now... you've gone and reversed its juju. Anyone have a Seiko I can... um... borrow? ;-) D Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] A message to the girls he's loved before, Champion of F3B and oh yeah DUH From: Phil Townsend [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, June 01, 2008 6:23 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com OK Gordy...BUt the watch is still missing! And the watch is now fully voodoo. So, all you guys who went to Denver, check your bags. Do you have the watch? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Lucky watch lost - RMSA F3J in the Rockies
Hey Guys, Looks like I have misplaced my lucky Seiko stopwatch - name scratched in the back is Phil Lontz. I stole it fair and square from the Bozo humself, Phil Lontz, and it has been around the world with me many times. Last time I saw it was Sat. in Denver. If anyone finds it in their bag, please let me know. We'll work out how to get it back to me - reward. Thanks for the bandwidth D Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Jim Laurel
Can someone please provide contact info, or have him ping me please? Thx D Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] F3J Fundraiser
Darwin, thanks so much for the effort. And to all of you who have and are contributing. We really thank you. I can't even begin to explain what a monumental task (and expenditure) it is to organize and send a team of 13 halfway around the world to compete. The AMA very generously supports a portion of travel expenses, and some contest expenses, but nowhere near enough to keep us from going out of pocket. It's donations from you guys that get us there. (and probably wish we wouldn't come back) ;-) Check out our site http://usf3jteam.com/ to see a list of sponsors who have graciously donated cash, raffle prizes, or both. And maybe you could even buy something. Airtronics/Global Kennedy Composites CST Radio Carbon Art Soaring USA JR LSF Skip Miller Models And you guys. Thanks so much. Daryl - plannin' on kicking some Euro @ss - Perkins ;-) Original Message Subject: [RCSE] F3J Fundraiser From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, May 03, 2008 11:18 am To: soaring@airage.com Come on guys, yesterday I put up a challenge to raise money for our F3J team. I offered $100 and stand by that. So far nobody has stepped to the plate. For those buying jackets, that is good but good old cash will be even more helpful. Lets get on board and donate some money. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler, AZ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text formatDarwin RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS Insanity TD toy
As I prepare for the upcoming World Champs, I'm getting rid of some hangar queens. I haven't flown this model for a couple of years, but I've hung on to it cuz I just love it. Span: 145 Area: 1350 sq in. Section: JW TDtry 19 AUW: 85 ounces Airtronics 761's all the way around. Model was never crashed or tumbled. Fuse never broken. I did reinforce the wing just past the upper doubler with a pair of carbon patches as it was getting some flex in extreme winds on launch. I think this is a Visalia winner, 2 time SWC winner, 1 time Spring Fling winner. Will sell with all 6 servos. Just drop in your battery pack and receiver and go win... uh... fly. Asking 850 plus packing and shipping. PM me offline Thanks D It's the model in this video http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nf0Y0rGsyyg attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4?
For those of you selling off your Stylus, or Styli (pl) due to 2.4, Airtronics will have a 2.4 module and receiver very soon. I can't nail them down to a date, as they're also working hard on our new 10 channel. XPS also sells a module for the Stylus, and I have been using it in my BumbleBee Supra with very good results. Airtronics guys, sit tight the best is getting even better. Sh don't tell anyone. D Original Message Subject: [RCSE] What's the big deal about 2.4? From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, March 07, 2008 7:34 am To: soaring@airage.com The big deal for me? Because of the huge surge to go with 2.4. There is a lot of discontent towards the old 72 MHz. And pilots are selling off the 72 stuff everywhere... I am enjoying the low! Low! Prices on Stylus radio's and radio accessories! I think it's all good! It's a win, win situation. As we speak, the number of frequencies we have to control is decreasing! I may go with 2.4 in my gliders. Since I do fly at large contests, the frequency security makes sense. But locally I fly at well controlled sites. And besides, I know who is on my channel around here. We are a tight group, and not that many pilots. I do look at it on the practical side as well.. I have about 20 aircraft that are loaded, and ready to fly.. I thought about how much it would cost to change out all the receivers.. I just laughed! I think I will be ok with 72 MHz for awhile. ') Cheers Charlie RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Thanks CASL
If you weren't there, you missed a great contest. It was well run, and the winch and line changes they made really made the difference. Darwin told me unofficially there were only 3 line breaks all weekend. The winches were quite zippy, but not ludicrously powerful. If they hadn't told us they had resisted them down slightly, we never would have known. Things went so smoothly, we even got to fly an extra round on Sat. Nice job CASL, and thanks I do hope other clubs follow suit on the winch power thing... On Saturday, the air was wonderfully buoyant. I'll bet almost everyone made their times - unless you did something really stupid... (Sorry JE) ;-) . Sunday, severe clear, thermals were definitely stronger, but there were a few holes out there, costing a few their times. Congrats to all the winners. Jason was on fire, nailing the luck dot on his last shot to cement the win. Andreas exhibited the landing style that has obviously been honed in a non-skeg competition format (CalTech actually sent an agent to check on unusual seismic activity) ;-). Mike S was consistently knocking down the landing points - he's so consistent. There was a way cool flyoff for 3rd between he and Cody. Side by side histart launches for a five minute max plus landing on an AMA tape. Mike shot a (I think) 2 under 96 to Cody's on time 92, taking the bronze. Nice job Mike It was fun to watch. Joe Nave in RES. He's an animal with that thing. Yeah, Gordy took Woody. (I know, I know)... Kornburg in 2M. Congrats again to all the top guys. Special congrats to CASL for doing a great job! See ya'll next year!!! D Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supra AUW (and a plea for help)
I know some guys get real creative about building out Supras to keep them light. I didn't do that. All I did was to build out my newest Supra with the hardware provided. It's the 2.4 ghz friendly Carbon-Lite and new ailerons all the way to the tip version. Bumblebee colors - yellow over black. I flew it a few days ago at 61.5 ounces. That was without the ballast tube. The thing flies and even looks great... the darn thing just keeps growing on me... I applaud Barry for a commitment to improve on an already amazing airframe. That's one of the few models that gets significantly better the lighter it gets. Thanks Barry. On another note - the US F3J team needs your help. We are facing an overwhealming debt to represent the US at the World Champs in Turkey. Well in excess of 30 thousand buckaroos. Please go to the site and donate, buy, give give give http:/usf3jteam.com Probably the best bang for your buck would be raffle tickets, with prize values well in excess of raffle tix sold. (so far) A few team members will also be at the SWC if you want to get some merchandise there as well. Thank you for your support and bandwidth. D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Contest Format
No need to even fly at the contest. Let's play paper/ scissors/ rock, determine a winner, and let the drinking begin. Or no matter what the task target time is, we'll just all agree to fly 3's. Heck, even Gordy can make 3... off of a pop off. Just jumping in and pokin some fun. Screw that, get me a shovel... I love burying you guys... ;-) Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] Contest Format From: Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, January 09, 2008 10:18 pm To: Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com soaring@airage.com Joe, What a great idea :-) That's right up their with my My child was prisoner of the month Bumper Sticker... Craig Joe Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Why don't we just award everybody a first place sticker and a cool ride in the special bus just for entering the joy luck club contest. sj - RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Servo question
Hey guys, Quick question for those of you servo experts. I fly solely Airtronics equip - servos, radios, receivers... I don't pay attention to any other manufacturers products. My Stalker utilizes a 6 servo wing. 761's are good for the flaps, but for the 4 ailerons, 761's are overkill. I can use them, and they'll fit, but I don't want to carry the extra weight. Airtronics has a 94091Z Super Microlite Servo. The torque ratings are fine for my purpose. Does anyone have experience with these? Centering? Gear train? Etc??? What other servo from any other manufacturer in this size and weight might you guys recommend and why? For reference: Weight: 0.32 ounces Size:0.91 x 0.44 x 0.87 Torque (6V): 23 In oz. Speed 60deg (6V): 0.10 http://www.airtronics.net/specs/atxservospecs.pdf Thanks and Happy New Year to you all!!! D Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Good guy (and cool plane) alert
Hey guys, It was quiet... a little too quiet... ;-) Last week I rec'd my newest Supra from Barry Kennedy. They continually upgrade their kit. The ailerons now go all the way to the tips. I don't have anything to compare weight, but Barry said the tips are about 1 ounce lighter per side. Torsionally, they seem better than my last Supra. The fuse is 2.4 ghz friendly, and is about 1 1/2 ounces lighter than my last one. The center panel has the wires installed. (So a dry weight comparison wouldn't really be fair). There are even neat little templates included to appropriately set the TE. Oh, and a machined ballast kit I plan on using this model to represent the US at the next F3J world champs. I'll post an AUW when I'm done. I don't do anything special during the build to save weight. I just build them out. Thanks Barry!!! In my opinion, the best TD/F3J model available anywhere today. And before you ask, yes, I pay for them. See ya'll in Phoenix!!! D Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: line tension governor
Mark, and gang, This is not a new problem. Line breaks at contests due to ships getting larger and winches more powerful have been a worsening problem for the past few years. (Insert redneck twang here) This is America. We love horsepower It's nice to see some clubs and individuals being proactive and searching out a real solution as opposed to the you break it, you fly it mentality. (I've been breaking lines while tapping and about 50 to 75 lbs of tension - educated guess) Reducing line size creates a weak link of its own. Stronger line, and the model becomes the weak link. Anyone see Joe blow up his unbreakable model at the Masters? As a budding manufacturer, coming out with a rather large model, it'll be very nice if winch strength could become to be more standardized, so I'll know how strong I have to build these things, without just throwing all sorts of unnecessary weight at them. I'm not naive enough to believe that all clubs will follow a standard, but as I travel across the states to compete, I'd like to know there is some form of generally accepted standard to build and practice to. I shouldn't have to build a model twice as strong to compete in Muncie, as opposed to Visalia. One other note that hasn't really been addressed. As a competitor who's fairly skilled at this launch thing, less power creates more of an advantage. Horsepower is the great equalizer, allowing guys with less skill, less finesse, and more poorly set up models to get close to the same launch height. Again - no-one is talking about radically reducing winch strength, just some form of acceptable standard, and matching the winch to the line strength. Merry Christmas to all, and to all, a good flight!!! Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Re: line tension governor From: Mark Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, December 24, 2007 7:44 am To: Tony Estep [EMAIL PROTECTED], Allen Priest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com I'd like to wait and see what the real fall out is going to be. So far what I see is a lot of folks discussing doomsday without any real proof. It makes no sense to me to change all of the launch systems we have in the USA when none of these big planes (Icon 2, DP's new TD) are in existence yet. I can see being prepared and all but this is a major undertaking. Plus why invest in these fixes before any of these Uber planes are in existence to use as examples or proof of concept? So far we have a few proposed solutions looking for a problem. What's the deal? 2 American designed Uber planes are on the horizon and folks are all quaking in their boots. Will the extra pull of these planes on the winch when added to the pull of gravity of the moon cause sea levels to rise and all of our ocean front homes will fall into the sea? It seems folks do not want to invest in winch technology to launch these Uber planes to their potential for fear they will put the dinky planes they already have at a disadvantage. They will rather invest in limiting the winches so that the big planes will not get the advantage on launch and folks can keep flying the dinky planes they have. That is until they see the efficiencies in flight of the big planes then everyone will join the bandwagon. Then they will all complain about weak winches. Round and round it goes. In the end no matter which way you go the good fliers will make it work. In 30 years one of us will be in the same discussion and we will be able to keep Chuck's memory alive by saying I did that 30 years ago and it didn't work. Mark Miller Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] F3B winches??? Appropriate for TD purposes?
On the subject of resisting down to F3B strength: I understand the argument and rationale. But This is a problem. F3B winches are very well built and designed. They are very efficient. The motors selected for use are already very close to the resisted number. We play all kinds of games with drum size to keep the motor/drum turning. If it weren't for the mono, we'd get virtually no launch at all. The typical club winch with all kinds of slop in the drum, and about 4 miles of braided nylon (creating about a 6 inch drum, and a very short drum making the line buildup quickly, the line pulling up on the draggy fan belt style brake, and a retriever dragging the whole thing down... resisted all the way down to F3B resistance Well...can you say stalled winch? Again - I understand the rationale, and it is very logical. But not practical. I think you'll find that some testing is in order to figure out what the resistance numbers should be for a typical club winch configuration. I do hope that the SWC guys took this into account. Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com Original Message Subject: Re: [RCSE] F3B winches??? From: Jon Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, December 22, 2007 8:21 am To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com This link should be helpful http://www.google.com/search?q=f3b+winch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: During the discussion about limiting winch strength and reducing line breaks there have been several references to F3B winches. I am not familiar with F3B flying or the winch specs. Can someone explain F3B or point me to a site where I can read about it? Best Regards, Ed Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Joe's shake free
here's his response to my email entitled You shakin?: Shake free here... We are living in Christchurch on the east side of the south island. The earthquake was near Gisborne on the north island, which is about 600 or more miles from here. No worries mate! Joe Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] re:contest launch equipment vs large models
Mike Smith pretty much hit the nail on the head. The problem isn't the line. The problem isn't the size of the model. Our TD style winches are unnecessarily strong. I'd love to see the winches restricted at major contests. I'm always going to fly large wingspan models at an UNLIMITED thermal duration contest. I like the way they perform. Period. Sorry, but my newest model is 3.9M or 153.5. It wasn't designed for F3J. It was designed for US style UNLIMITED thermal duration. I often hear CD's complain about guys launching hard. I understand your need to keep the contest moving. But blaming the competitor for being competitive U... it's a CONTEST!!! We're competing. You can't expect a competitor to back off on his competitive spirit. He needs to be allowed to do whatever he feels he needs to do to gain a competitive advantage. Using the line as the weak link is not only unfair, it's dangerous. Limiting winch power is a great way to guarantee winch equality across the board. Visalia's winches are unbelievably weak, and they have very few line breaks. SWC winches are usually pretty strong, but are inconsistent from one winch to the next, and change over the course of the day. The NATS has the strongest winches I've ever used, and they use rope line to keep things going. I know... the darn things ruined a perfectly good Insanity. Don't limit the models. Don't limit the line size or perceived breaking strength. Limit the available winch power, and you'll begin to see models optimized for that available power. Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Soaring V1 #10534 or I was too lazy to change the title From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 1:19 pm To: Soaring@airage.com Every time you make the winches stronger and the line heavier you FORCE people to move to stronger, more expensive planes which takes this hobby further and further from the sport flyer. NO one forces Americans to do anything. A big part of our deal is that we get to 'chose' what we do and buy. Ed mentioned that 'you' force peopleI wondering who he means. Does he mean Joe Rod, or maybe Dave H, or maybe that sneaky Darwin is forcing poor sensitive American pilots to buy expensive planes. When a new ship comes out that turns my fancy, come January I get off my butt and head out in the evening to cut my neighbors lawns in North Dakota, or shovel driveways in Orlando to EARN the extra cash. The money doesn't fall from trees here in Louisville, when we want something extra, we have to get an extra job to earn it. I was on a train a while back and there was this guy who was loud and a real authority about winches and launch technique...(I happen to know that he only flys wood and electrics but the assumption was that he spoke from experience...so the rest of us should take his advice to heart.) One of the season sailplaners, a good ole guy still actively flying contests all over the country, stopped him and said,Once there was a little bird, he was perched on a wire above a farm field, it was a deadly cold and icy nite, and as morning approached he was nearly dead. As the sun came up the farmer let his cows out to graze, and as they passed by they pooped. The little bird managed to fly down to one of the piles and began eating the warm, undigested grains. After a short while the sun was warming the air and the little bird, filled with the warm grain felt strong and optimistic. So he flew up to the highest wire and began to sing at the top of his lungsand a hawk flew down and ate him. The ole guy just stopped talking. The 'authority' said what the hell does that have to do with launch limiters and broken lines? The ole sailplaner just looked up at him and said, Well the story doesn't have anything to do with that topic but the moral doeswhen you are full of shit, keep your mouth shut. :-) No one forces us to do the hobby, fly contests or buy sailplanes. We don't want, buy and fly bigger more capable planes in order to win a piece of wood, we do it because its more fun to fly big planes. And fun is why we do the hobby. So if you authorities out there have a problem competing against big expensive molded ships, then likely your issues are about self esteem, not wing span. You won't win with any span, that takes practice, study and talent...and by the way, you can not be 'beaten' by some one with a huge wing span plane in any soaring contest currently flown in the world. You can only do the task precisely or not. Its YOUR score that puts you in position on the board, not some one else's ;-). Gordy Lets see I fly more often, more places with more guys and have never ever bought a new plane because winches were stronger...or lines
RE: [RCSE] re:contest launch equipment vs large models
Weak links? How do you know as a competitor how much line tension you're pulling at any given time? So you're suggesting penalizing a competitor who has his model properly set up, pops a thermal on tow, gets windgusted... etc The problem with the you break it, you fly it mentality isWe are not breaking the lines at anywhere near their rated breaking strength. What's going on is, lines are being abused, worn, and damaged over normal usage. This is going on at different rates at every winch. You are then penalizing a competitor for having weaker line than the next guy. I broke the line at my last Nats a couple of times while tapping. I didn't have monster tension, and was not in any way abusing the equipment. I was told by organizers to bring it down and relight. I also personally witnessed competitors at the first Masters intentionally breaking lines for the opportunity to relight at the end of the group. Line breaks will always be a part of any contest. The way to completely eliminate it as a problem, is to switch to FAI type rules and winches, and make the competitor responsible for his own launch equipment. In the absence of that, (and that may never happen here in the states) we need to make it much harder to break the lines. That means less power. There it is - the Supra solution. Mike - Insanity and Sharon are identical in span... for some reason. Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com Original Message Subject: RE: [RCSE] re:contest launch equipment vs large models From: Gospodarek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, December 20, 2007 4:35 pm To: Soaring soaring@airage.com, Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] I like the idea of a weak-link. If you want a level strength playing field for launches and don't want to remove the winch tap skill or add new equipment just try this. Make up short weak-link loops (ahead of the first contest make 50 for the year) to attach between the line and the ring. If you use 250# winch line, use 200# weak links. If the line breaks you get a re-launch. If the CD sees that the weak-link is what is broken, then the pilot is docked a % (CD option say 15%) of the flight time. Simple but effective! I'm sure that you would not have many re-launches. John -Original Message- From: Daryl Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] re:contest launch equipment vs large models Mike Smith pretty much hit the nail on the head. The problem isn't the line. The problem isn't the size of the model. Our TD style winches are unnecessarily strong. I'd love to see the winches restricted at major contests. I'm always going to fly large wingspan models at an UNLIMITED thermal duration contest. I like the way they perform. Period. Sorry, but my newest model is 3.9M or 153.5. It wasn't designed for F3J. It was designed for US style UNLIMITED thermal duration. I often hear CD's complain about guys launching hard. I understand your need to keep the contest moving. But blaming the competitor for being competitive U... it's a CONTEST!!! We're competing. You can't expect a competitor to back off on his competitive spirit. He needs to be allowed to do whatever he feels he needs to do to gain a competitive advantage. Using the line as the weak link is not only unfair, it's dangerous. Limiting winch power is a great way to guarantee winch equality across the board. Visalia's winches are unbelievably weak, and they have very few line breaks. SWC winches are usually pretty strong, but are inconsistent from one winch to the next, and change over the course of the day. The NATS has the strongest winches I've ever used, and they use rope line to keep things going. I know... the darn things ruined a perfectly good Insanity. Don't limit the models. Don't limit the line size or perceived breaking strength. Limit the available winch power, and you'll begin to see models optimized for that available power. Darylperkins.com LLC. 1600 McCulloch Blvd. 5B Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403 www.darylperkins.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Icon/High End
You Icon drivers get so dern judgemental. If you saw both models up close, there is no way a High End could be mistaken for an Icon - the High End is pretty. I had the opportunity to fly the High End (Lousy name by the way), and it flies quite nicely. I'm on the list. But then, I'm on a lot of lists... ;-) D RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Sharon Pro 3.7 still f/s
Professionally built by John Luetke (The Sharon Maestro) Linkage is solid and smooth - no binding. Over 1650 invested with servos... asking 1500 OBO. I mentioned the ding in the LE. It is BARELY noticeable. Not aerodynamic, strictly cosmetic. All Airtrix Digi servos. This is one straight airplane. I only bought it as I had a broken Insanity for the Masters, and couldn't get an Insanity together fast enough. Only selling it cuz I prefer my Insanity... I'm building another one. First reasonable offer takes it. Thanks for the bandwidth! Daryl - Has Been - Perkins __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] New Sharon FS
Red/White - slightly used. Just at the Masters. Almost perfect, with one VERY minor ding in the LE on the left tip. Otherwise, virtually new. Only 3 days flying on it. I think we went 17 rounds. Ping me offline for price and terms. I won't be attending Visalia - this is a great Visalia model. If you are a Stylus flyer, you are welcome to my set-up. Thanks for the bandwidth. D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] WSM congrats and sour grapes
Hi guys, The WSM was a very good time. Great format!!! The first 2 days... not what I would consider to be a true soaring contest (Not organizers fault, but condition oriented).. for the most part... the wind was blowing so hard, it was more of a launch and hang... and get lucky. Two HUGE notables who didn't make the flyoffs through no fault of their own - that Joe guy and Tom Kiesling. Both of them outflew the field on almost all of their flights... Nice flying guys - it didn't go unnoticed. For those that made the flyoffs, great job guys. I approached every prelim flight as... look at the scores... how many points can I drop and still get in... I just made sure I hit the field, and get some landing points (with 80 landing points available - that's equivalent to 1 minute 20 of flight time). Yes, it was blowing hard enough that I NEVER went downwind in the prelims... well.. ok once... but that Joe guy was in my group. For those armchair pilots on the exchange who are saying that the quality of flying was sub par due to the point spread... u ... @#%#@@*~ YOU! ;-) The flyoffs were brutal - but the weather co-operated and gave us more of a soaring comp. The first 3 rounds of flyoffs were pretty much a landing contest. With only a couple of the top guys missing the ride, or taking hits. Yes, we were flying a long way out. But you really didn't want to leave the thermal due to the monster sink around them. I'm quite glad I got my eyes fixed... ;-) The 4th through 6th round was a different story. Air got brutal and light. Round 5 Mike S snuck away as the only guy to truly get out.. and pounded the group. I came in to the thermal too low to work it... but certainly had to try (I'm a first place or no place kinda guy)... and had a parking lot landing/crash/embarrassment. I've never done that before, but the stakes were too high to give up. I autographed Steve Siebenaler's truck... in more ways than one. That's the flight that gave Mike the margin. Congrats Mike on a job well done. He has been Mr. Muncie this year... winning every contest he's been there for. Arend Borst - another great competitor - Congrats! Cody - Damn kid! Nice job buddy! And then there was the rest of the top ten who kinda stunk the place up Special Congrats goes out to Joe Wurts for selling his house during the last 3 rounds of the flyoffs. All in all.. a good time had by all!!! See ya'll in a couple of years! D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: RE: [RCSE] DVDeeeeeeeeee!!!
Hey now!!! Karen won those servos. 8^) and she gave them to me... course capn jack wanted them back... ;-) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Bummin - for sale 1/3 scale DG 800
Guys, A recent boat catastrophe (Outdrive explosion)is forcing the sale of my brand new, in the box, 1/3 scale DG 800. This is without a doubt the finest model I have ever seen. Until you've seen one, you have no idea how nice the fit and finish is, and how STIFF this thing is. All carbon wings - unbelievably stiff and strong. The model is clearing customs as we speak. I've waited 6 months for this, it's finally here, and I've got to let it go. This is the XL Sailplanes all carbon DG 800. Serious inquiries only. This thing isn't cheap. D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] How high?
Many years ago Joe and I had his cross country plane up to about 8500 ft. AGL. I don't recall the exact number (it was 8500 and change), but he had one of the first Casio altimeter watches, and we put it in his sailplane. We could track the total altitude climb and descent through the course of the flight. Joe climbed a total of 21,000 ft over the entire course. These numbers are off the top of my head... but are pretty close to my recollection. Total climb may have been over 23K... This was the Cal Valley course. Prior to this experiment, we had thought we were maybe seeing 5 thousand feet AGL with a cross country sailplane. If you are directly overhead, you can get significantly higher and stay in visual contact. Cross country planes aren't necessarily designed for maximum performance, but the fuse and wing chords are much larger than optimum just so you can see the darn things. First time I ever flew cross country - Joe gave me one sentence worth of advice... If at any time you're comfortable seeing the model, you're not high enough... __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] how high really
When I talk about being at 8500 ft... the stabs had long since disappeared, the wings were literally toothpicks, and were disappearing as well - the fuse was non-existent. That's how Joe consistently beat the pants off all the CC guys for all those years. The plane was always in the optimum position - right behind the tailgate of the truck, and he would only stop to thermal in a hat sucker, and he never let the model get much lower. Like I say... to be successful at cross country - If you are EVER comfortable seeing the plane, you're NOT high enough... At Taft, many years ago, I had to put in a time for Joe on Friday (I'd never flown cross country - Joe was out of town, and just needed a time and could make up whatever I lost the following 2 days). I was at the far turn in record time, I had the thermals for the ride home marked, and we were haulin' ass. That was right when I lost Wiley... Wiley did come home the following day unscathed(somebody found it about 7 miles off course), but I'll never hear the end of it... I've never really enjoyed cross country becasue of that experience. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] how high really
You guys don't have to believe me... I had a tough time believing it myself. But one of the arts of cross country flying is keeping the model in the correct location in relation to the vehicle - virtually directly overhead. The reason for this is to maintain visual. I've seen the guys in Muncie flying CC at close to 4,000 ft off the tug tows(according to the pics), and they weren't even close to what Joe used to do. I was serious about not enjoying CC due to the constant extreme eyesight checks. Let's assume as much as a 10% error in the telemetry watch - That's still over 7500 ft. Our little td models are fairly easily visible from a front perspective up to a mile... why do you have such a tough time buying 8500 ft straight overhead? And that's with about a 13 inch chord and flat black bottoms... Give me a pic sometime and an Insanity (nowhere near the size of a CC model - about 20% smaller), and I'll prove it. hugs, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra ? Who couples flaps to ailerons?: Drela repost
I learned a long time ago that by coupling flaps to ailerons the model would track better. (And yes, every model) My first experience with this was with a slope racer (Swift 800) with a short tail moment, and undersized V-tail. I had trouble getting it to track properly at different ballasted weights, differing lift conditions and airspeeds. A slope racer needs to track well in all conditions and quickly changing conditions. When I say it would track better, I mean it would initiate roll with less adverse yaw. 30-40% seemed to work best (if the flaps were built to accept this much - if not, as much as I could get without binding). I have translated this to every model I've flown since then, and model set up is much easier. Dr Drela's explanation makes a lot of sense. I love it when the really smart aero guys verify my findings... ;-) I heard someone talking about turning with ailerons. We don't turn with ailerons, we initiate roll with ailerons. We want to do this as effortlessly and cleanly (axially) as possible, and create a minimum of adverse yaw. With the flaps coupled, I can run less total aileron throw for the required roll rate, less differential, and less rudder coupling to accomplish an axial roll into the bank. Thanks Mark D for putting so much time and effort into this soaring thing. And Mike L - I guess I'll switch my F3B models to poly ships... you know... to keep the wing clean and use rudder... ;-) And Mike Smith - insert Daryl giving the raspberries... ;-)~ (Sorry guys, but Mike didn't used to couple the flaps on his Sharons - I always... uh... fixed his program when I borrowed his planes) Have fun guys! D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] is it just me...
... or is it awfully quiet regarding the F3J world championships? Big congrats to the US Juniors Nice job guys! Congrats to the US Team! Nice job guys! Way to go David! Most of you will never know the amount of commitment and effort that goes into representing your country at a world champs. It's done at a great deal of personal expense, time, and energy. It has certainly sucked the modelling energy out of me... ;-) Every pilot who even gets to a World Championship is a winner in my book... I know... sounds cliche... but it's very true. Make sure, if you run into one of the guys on the team to thank them, congratulate them, and give them a Hero's welcome home! Congrats to all who competed!!! D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 2M Rambles
Dave, What a great post. Thank you. You're right on about the MH32 being a poor choice for a 2M section. I don't like it for open class TD either. Drela has done a good deal of optimization on sections for us, and he's got a pretty good idea of what works in the real world. Definitely a good idea to try some of his thinner sections on a 2M. The key here would be LIGHT!!! I don't particularly like super low A/R 2M's... ala the Duck. Span loading ends up too high, wing loading too low... not a good combo. At least not my personal preference you get a model that doesn't go anywhere... AND comes down quickly... woohoo!!! Your also correct about AUW. My old Lasers used to weigh in around 31 ounces, and they flew quite well (for a 2M). People seem to have gotten complacent about 40 and 45 ounce 2M's. Of course they fly fine... they're just pre-ballasted. Especially when youre only flying against other 40 and 45 ounce models. But remember, a 2M isn't much larger than a HL model. They're what? 25% larger? Who wants to thermal a 30 ounce HL? Or even a 20 ounce HL for that matter? That's tremendously over simplified, there are many other factors here, but you get my point. We can't build our 2M's light enough. Mike L's 2M Aegea weighed in at I think about 25 ounces (before the boom broke), and it was probably the best flying 2M I've ever seen. In the early morning light lift rounds, his was the only model that even recognized lift, as the rest of the field flew right through it and underneath him without even a bobble. V-Tails - still... no. The main problem with a V-Tail is that we all fly differing stability ranges. What I mean here, is that while I may prefer a less stable model, you may prefer a more stable model, and a beginner prefers a ludicrously stable model. Why am I talking about stability and not CG??? .. same thing for this discussion. You can't just oversize the V to be correct in yaw, and expect the model to fly right. It'll be too stable for me, and maybe for you... but perfect for the beginner. When I flew Super V's, I couldn't get the model loose enough. I'd cheat the CG way back, until I was happy with the performance and flight characteristics in pitch, and the model would tuck hard in slow cruise (harder as the speed increases). Not great for a TD model. S... that's an indication that the model is overstabbed or too stable. So, I had to cut the V's down... then all my yaw stability went away. V-tails are a compromise at best. You can play games with the V angle to get it closer, but I've never got one right. They're fine for a one dimensional model - ala a slope racer, cuz you're never hanging the model on the wing. You don't see Drela's design's being V-Tails, do ya? ;-) The design challenges for a 2M are rather complex, and this makes it sorta fun. There are many compromises to be made. A/R vs. Area. Cruise vs. Hang. Cross tail... or... uh cross tail. (I'm not even gonna mention a damn V) I'm going to do a new 2M in the next few months. I'm not just going to focus on the wing, but on the fuse as well. We're seeing gains in F3B with small cross section fuses. I think I can shave some weight, and some drag here as well. I've broken up with multiple women in the last few months... need to do enough models to keep up with the naming process... ;-) Possibly Lil Beeotch - we'll see D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Paging Troy
No... I'm not looking for a Duck... Troy, can you ping me back with contact numbers please? Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Borrow/Rent/Steal - maybe even purchase
Need a real 2M for the Nats. Anyone? No Ducks No Monarchs Nothing that'll blow up I don't need to fly it until the morning of, so you could just bring it with ya Ping me offline Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] F3B
go here for an explanation of the tasks - http://www.silentflight.org/F3B/F3BTasks.html There are lots of ways to get involved in F3B. The best is finding a group of guys in your area that are interested in learning and flying. It's very much a team sport. The initial investment can be a bit high if you try to purchase all the necessary equipment on your own. 2-3 winches - 2-3 models etc... If you find some guy to team up with, you all can share in the winch and line expenses once you have a winch... it'll pretty much last forever... figure 1K for a new winch. (I typically only have 1 flyable F3B model in my quiver at any time) F3B is the Formula 1 of our sport. The challenges the tasks provide will make every pilot a better pilot. It'll give you much better understanding of thermals, their size, optimizing L/D vs sink rate... you'll learn about ballast, how it really works, and how to use it... you might even learn to fly a straight line... something even some of the best contest TD pilots struggle with... You don't need an f3B model. You can begin to learn the tasks with a good strong TD model... just make sure you have ballast capability. The Pike Inferior to name one. I saw Darrell Zaballos crank out multiple 17's with his J Icon. (I went 28 laps with my Psyko - a molded 7035 TD toy - one year at the NATS pounding everyone in my group) You don't need elaborate sighting devices. 2 tripods with a hoop on top will suffice, and a way to measure 150 meters. You don't need alaborate signalling devices. A walkie talkie with a beeper will suffice for speed practice. What I enjoy about F3B is that is contested/flown/and won in the air... it's not about what happens after the model hits the ground. F3B is the ultimate challenge for a RC soaring pilot and glider. You must be competent at all the disciplines - from reading air, to flying fast, to slowing the model down and thermalling... Give it a shot - you'll be glad ya did... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] F3B
Jeff writes: Speed:Speed is considered the luck factor. You don't fly MOM WRONG This is a common misconception amongst many pilots. I will say one thing... the fastest pilot on the field will win. You have 4 minutes of working time to optimize your slot. Sometimes you get sink.. sometimes you get lift... sometimes nothing... but he who optimizes every aspects of all his speed slots will win. 50 ft of launch altitude equates to about 1 second (given the same AUW). You'd better not be giving anything up on launch. You'll have to read the model in every phase of the flight- during launch - during the ping - after the ping - as you're coming back to enter... you'll have to know if it's a 15 second launch, 16/17/22 Don't try to go 15 off a 17 second launch - you'll go 22. You need to read the launch... Is the launch a keeper? Is the air going to get better or worse? Should I relaunch? You've got time for 3, maybe 4 if you're good. I can stand back from the line, watch the launches... and tell how fast people are gonna go... I've made comments like - 17 second launch... but Steiffel will go 19... ;-) I'm always on the money...I've seen guys go 17 in 15 second air ... and come back thinking they just rocked the world actually... they just gave everyone back 100 points... My point is... those who don't understand the speed task (or those who aren't fast) minimize its value and significance. When I was competitive, why did I go fast? Cuz I flew in the best air available in my slot... I outlaunched the field on average... and I flew the shortest smoothest course of anyone at the comp. He who is the fastest will win at F3B, provided he doesn't screw up anywhere else. You lose an F3B comp in distance and duration. You can't win it here, cuz you only fly against a few pilots every round... and there will be multiple 1,000's. You win an F3B comp in Speed. It's the only place you can make up points on the whole field. Daryl - speedy - Perkins __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nats Plane trip
Hi guys, I have one more spot open in the twin Cessna 421 (pressurized/turbocharged/air-conditioned) to get to Muncie. Any takers? Ping me offline to discuss. Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] World Championships - We Americans must be the best...
Is it just me? Probably is... I hear I'm quite the pain in the ass... but why do Americans feel compelled to call their contests, or games, or races... the World Championships? We have the World Series, where we crown the winners the World Champion. We have the Superbowl... once again crowning the winners the World Champions. Is there any other country represented 1 other at least I think Canada is represented by one or two teams in baseball... there's a sports powerhouse ... ;-) JK Sorry Arend... But... World Soaring Masters? Let's not minimize the efforts and the accomplishments of those individuals who qualify to attend US team selects, scratch and claw to make the top 3, then travel around the world representing the United States of America. They compete against the top fliers of 20-25 other countries, who have undergone the same type of effort and hardships just for the opportunity to compete in a truly World event. This Soaring Masters is a neat idea, and will be a fun contest I'm sure... but maybe it should be titled The US Open of Soaring... since there's not much qualifying required to attend... Sorry... off my soapbox... but this has been a pet peave of mine for quite some time... probably ever since I attended my first World Championships... held in Holland... against 23 (I think) other countries... Oh... but the most important part of my email... TK... I lost my voucher... can you forward another one please??? Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Oops - World
Sorry I brought it up guys... my issue isn't with the contest itself... just the name... and I do understand the reasoning behind it... I applaud the efforts of Horizon and JR for putting this on. This contest has already received more hype than any WC I've attended... sorry... but there's something wrong with that... ;-) Everybody breathe... good air in bad air out... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Guaranteed World Soaring Masters....
Guys... we're barely getting over 150 open class competitors at Visalia these days you really think there will be significantly more than 150 guys trying to go to... dare I say it Muncie? Or as Karen puts it... MoonSay __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] nose radius
What is the minimum nose radius for an AMA glider? Is it the same as FAI? Or is there one? Need to start sharpening for the World Soaring Masters... TIA D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Fresno Classic
What a Blast! Nice people, great weather, some tough air, and some great flying by the winners (not me btw - I HATE it when that happens!) ;-) Congrats to: Dave Zucker - First Place Unlimited - Dave was on fire! I don't think I could have beaten him even if I was practiced. He had his model (Icon - yeah I know... shut up!) landing slowly, controllably, and like it was on rails. Nice Job Dave! Bob McGowan - First Place 2M - What can you say? Bob's a 2M animal! Edgar Vera - First Place RES - Seems like Edgar's always in the hunt... AJ McGowan - First Place Junior - Look out for this kid! He would have placed third with the big boys! Yes that's ahead of his dad... ;-) Thanks to all the guys at FVSS for putting this together. The contest was run quickly and efficiently. It was really a great time! See ya'll next year! D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats F3B
With F3B being flown at the Nats, what are some of the planes people will be using this year? Diablo (X-tail) - Own design... molds almost complete - ping me offline for renderrings Altus - Small little f...er - T-tail - Dieter Perlick F3B model development has really taken a back seat to F3J model development the past couple of years. We are finally starting to see some new F3B toys popping up on the scene. D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Soaring Masters
John Diniz and RCSE team... I had a couple of questions re: the Soaring Masters. I haven't been able to find it through a google search. So I'll bug you guys about it... Was a date determined? Is the landing score normalized with the flight time as per F3J, or added after normalizing as per the Nats? Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Another Fazer question
Some sections benefit from camber, and some don't. I believe the 2/8 was probably designed to use at least 1 degree, maybe 2. Generically speaking, the thinner sections are usually a bit more critical as to how much camber one can use. Pop a thermal, set your camber at 2 degrees and see how it works for ya... One of your questions was whether or not to couple the camber to the elevator function. That's not really an airfoil dependant question, but a personal taste question. I used to couple all my models that way, but I have since stopped doing that, and prefer to use my slider for thermalling. (For distance and speed tasks... that's another story) The Stylus has a detent at half travel... that's where I'll set my optimum camber setting for thermal. (If I spend the time to set it up) ;-) That still allows me more throw if I need it... and that's a long drawn out why and when article Your other question was whether or not to switch the side slider with the flap stick... NOO! If you're used to using the side slider, keep on using it. Don't start putting the camber on the flap stick just cuz some guy won a contest that way once... Using the flap stick for camber was a cheater fix for the older Junior radios... and it makes it hard to provide pure rudder input while cambering at the same time. I haven't really looked at the newer JR radios, but I believe they have addressed this issue... 'Bout time ;-) Just pokin some fun at the competition... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: Redundancy for Scale
I just ordered a 1/3 scale all carbon, super stiff, super heavy, OH MY GAWD gorgeous, DG800 best display of a molded scale ship I've ever seen. The same one Mike Smith got. It's not exactly, uh... free. But it is gorgeous. And with 5K plus radio floating (or in this case) haulin' ass around the sky... I'll be going with redundant systems. I asked a fellow soaring geek who knows much more about these types of systems than I. Here is his reply: As far as batteries go, on anything with the room I use dual packs of the same cell count, two switches and plug into any two open slots. If no open slots, then I just use a Y to plug the battery into one side and whatever servo n the other side. Depending on how much weight you need up front and the available space you can use Nicad or NiMH packs of anything between 1950 to 4000 mAh. Don't get sucked into using battery backers or any other just nonsense. 2 packs, 2 switches, plugged into the RX. Easy as pie, plenty of capacity and a redundant system. The reason I like 2 pack set ups is the redundancy and the fact that it splits the load between the two packs. SO each sees half the load or current draw. Keeps voltage depression under high load to a minimum. And I like 2 switches since they are the cheapest POS we use and they are really the failure point that you are trying to eliminate. On my TD ships I don't even use them, that's how much I distrust them. Here's a good resource for dual pack set ups: http://www.rcbatteryclinic.com/parallel.html See you guys at the aerotows... I'll be the one going really really fast... To see the model - go here. Not a great website, but Thomas has been great to work with. www.xl-sailplanes.com D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
These frames weigh next to nothing and can be glued into the wing with medium or black CA. I think I'll just start taping a 1/2 ounce of lead to every servo for absolutely no reason... ;-) I enjoyed that thread of a few weeks ago where the engineer, don't know his name, talked about getting all the unnecessary weight out of his model. I'm pretty much the same way, without getting nuts about it. I put my servos in with a mixture of 5 minute and micro-balloons (Peanut butter thick mixture). I do not prepare the servo by sanding it or cleaning so it will stick to the epoxy mixture. They pop right out if need be. And there is a little pocket remaining to drop the next servo right in. Of course you can wrap the servo in masking tape, saran wrap, or even put mold release on it... In my Insanity, (a bagged wing POS), I did have Dave Hauch put a false bottom of ply into the servo hole, since the Airtronics new wing servos have little mounting lugs... but even as many times as I've slammed that thing into the ground, never had to change a servo. So I won't mess with that in the next one. I realize the anal retentives in the group need the install to be pretty. After the servo covers go on... who can see it? My main question remains... what are you guys doing to destroy your servos? Instead of bullding all of this unnecessary crap into your airplanes, why not learn to NOT break the darn things??? Just thinkin' out loud... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
BTW, aren't you the guy that likes to fly around with ballast in most of time so you can get from Thermal to Thermal faster. Well... uh yeah... that'd be me. But I'm quite anal about where the weight in my model is placed. I don't like weight in the extremities of any of my models. Ever notice how a model with heavy wingtips seems like the fin isn't large enough? I have to tell you guys something funny... last flight at both Visalia 05, and the SWC 06, I flew with 1 1/2 pounds ballast on my last flights. I didn't need any landing points... so I just wanted to minimize the risk of NOT getting to a thermal But I still don't build unnecessary weight into any of my models... I can always add it... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Gluing Servos v.s. Servo Frames
Frames? I don't use them... they're heavy, they add weight. I can't remember the last time I had to change out a servo. 2 cents D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Fresno Classic
I know you guys sent me this info... but ya sent it way too early... I've lost it... Where do i sign up? Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Fresno Classic thx
- thx everybody! Got it! D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Carbon Supra #48 flies - weight 61 oz !
This really gets one thinking about the flap servos and what one is/has used for flaps. 99.9% of you guys will never build the line tension Mark is referring to. But...this brings to light a thread from awhile back regarding servos and being smart about your linkage geometry... design your linkage so that you don't work that servo harder than you need to. Long arm on the flap... inboard hole on the servo to get no more than the required throw... give yourself that mechanical advantage... D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Paul Naton?
Please ping me offline, Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Results of Southwest Soaring Way to Go John Diniz! Planes?
Out of the top ten, these are the ones I'm pretty sure about. If you know... please finish up the list... 1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Insanity 3.7 2 Wurts Joe 2492 Supra 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? 4 Nutter Dale2468 ??? 5 Verzuh Mike2467 ??? 6 KornbergDave2467 Not sure (Icon?) 7 George Steve 2463 ??? 8 Smith Michael 2461 Sharon 9 Reagan Mike2457 ??? 10 JenningsGordon 2456 Icon __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Results of Southwest Soaring How 'bout radio?
1 Perkins Daryl 2503 Airtronics 2 Wurts Joe 2492 JR 3 Newcomb Joseph 2473 ??? 4 Nutter Dale2468 ??? 5 Verzuh Mike2467 ??? 6 KornbergDave2467 ??? 7 George Steve 2463 Airtronics (I think) 8 Smith Michael 2461 Airtronics 9 Reagan Mike2457 ??? 10 JenningsGordon 2456 ??? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Olympics - off topic
Ok... I've been watching a lot of the Olympics lately... I think I'm gonna take up curling. Are there like curling alleys? Do they serve beer there? Is there a curling exchange somewhere where they talk about the various rocks? Maybe the rocks have different cambers, thicknesses and weights? sorry... maybe we'll make the Olympics someday... Go USA! ;-) D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supra impressions at the SWC
OK, ok... I know... I spouted off about the Supra... but I had to see it for myself. Is the Supra a good model? Yes. Is the Supra a great model? Yes. Does it climb inverted while doing rolling circles downwind in a 100 kt. micro-burst and make it back to the LZ for the big points every time? No but not far off... My impressions of the model are as follows: When I got to the field for the mock F3J comp, Joe was handlaunching his around. It didn't look like it wanted to float... turns out he didn't have his TE set up properly yet. A bit of camber transforms the model from great LD to float float float mode. So the model does work well at a light weight. In other words, covers ground better than most models at an AUW of 60-62 ounces, and then transitions into quite the floater once air is popped. For F3J, a model that works well light is a tremendous advantage. The Supra will outlaunch, and launch faster than any model I've seen to date. If I were serious about F3J, I would not try to fly the task without one in my quiver. Now... the hard part... is the Supra for everyone? I don't know I haven't flown one yet. My sense of it is... if you like your Icon... the Supra may not be for you. Icons and Insanities are so easy to fly. But they may give up a bit of performance to a Supra. Is it just another flavor of the month? I don't think so... it's a good toy. Will it get you your time every time? I saw competent guys still struggling in sink with them. I think it will require a more competent pilot than an Icon or Insanity... but that's not that big a deal any idiot can fly an Icon or an Insanity... ;-) Thanks to all at the SWC... I had a blast. Congrats to everyone who made the trek, and hung out in the sun and great weather... it was definitely worth it. D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra impressions at the SWC
Second, I want to know how you did with landing for bucks? ;-) I cleaned up this weekend. Able to order the new Jag now ;-) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supra Insanity at the SWC... and giving....
Hi Guys, I spoke to Barry the other day... he said something about having shipped over 60 Supras so far... so if 67 have been shipped... I'm assuming the best I'll be able to pull off is 68th place... but I'll be there... and I'll keep swingin'.. if I can knock just one off... I'll be happy... Ok...ok I want you guys to know what a giver I am... I actually went to the hobby store... bought some wood to make a down and dirty mold to mold some lead ballast for my Insanity at Phx... just so it won't blow for you guys... if I have ballast... it won't blow... you guys owe me... and since Supras penetrate 100 kt wind at 28 ounces with little to no loss in altitude... and go up on gerbel farts when balanced at 92.5 cm I LOVE having a target... ;-) My Insanity and I will be in Phoenix... bring your singles... In the immortal words of Al Bundy... Let's Rock. D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supras?
Now that you've all been flying your Supras... we haven't really heard anything from you. I'd love to hear more reports... please... if negative... ping me off the exchange Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
Please keep in mind that I am not trying to solve anything here. Just some random thoughts about how contests seem to be evolving. I don't think anybody is saying that a pic or telemetry is an unfair advantage. Anything allowable under the rules is certainly fair. What is evident in this thread is that soaring contests mean different things to different people. I know that my idea of what a soaring contest is has evolved over the years. When I started soaring, much like you today JB, it was a win at any cost mentality. Back then, I would have agreed that the use of technology to gain an advantage within the rules is the way to go... But that being said, there is no way for a rules maker/contest designer/whatever you want to call him, to foresee the evolution of technology in the years to come. Today, I don't feel that the use of telemetry is in the spirit of the rules as they were originally intended. A contest or competition of any type is designed to measure something. Auto race - all out speed. Football is a land aquisition game. You get the idea... but what exactly are we trying to measure with a RC soaring competition? I know what I think we are trying to measure... In my mind, we are trying to measure true soaring skills. Soaring skills to me are the ability to recognize and work lift, strong, weak... anything to make our target time. Exercise good judgment, constantly analyze and optimize our situation... What takes years and years to accomplish is learning to read the model, read the conditions, decide if we're actually climbing, staying level... etc... On every contest flight, I am constantly questioning my own judgment. That's what makes the soaring contest fun to me... am I really staying up? Am I really going to make my time? Is the lift a little better over here? Oops... doesn't look like it... but maybe The Pic eliminates all of this... Again, not saying they are unfair, cuz I could use one too, but they do take the skill out of the whole thing... These are the things that are the difference between a Joe Novice and a Joe Wurts. My question is, where will it all end? There is already autopilots that can be programmed to fly a model in a predesigned path. GPS's I'm sure are allowable under the rules. An autopilot and a GPS is certainly legal as long it is controlled from the ground. So you could certainly program it to fly in a constant bank angle and energy, and turn it off, come home and shoot your landing. I realize I am going extreme here, but that's what I'm talking about - where does it end? At what point does the technology available exceed the spirit or intent of the rules? And then again... what... are we really trying to measure? I personally believe that any telemetry back to the pilot is not within the spirit of a soaring competition. That's just my sentiment. Wood vs. molded... I agree there are performance differences. Would I rather drive a Ferrari or a Yugo? I could still win with the Yugo. But the Ferrari is more fun... I like high performance models. And I can't afford a Ferrari... Blaine mentions that we should design a contest that allows us to use the technology available. I whole heartily agree. You techy's have a blast. ;-) But maybe we should try to define what we are trying to measure at our little TD contests, and write the rules accordingly. that's about 8 1/2 cents worth... and I have to get some work done... ;-) Have fun guys - I was actually thinking about practicing a bit this year. That Soaring Masters thing sounds like fun. It's even more fun to climb through you guys with those things stuck in your ears... ;-) D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] assisted soaring,etc
You guys don't get the zen side of it. The telemetry is neat stuff, and fun to use I'm sure on non-contest days. But it has no place in a contest. Use them to learn about your model. Use them to learn about your skill level. Use them to learn about lift. But leave them at home on contest days. If a soaring contest is no longer about recognizing workable lift... what exactly are we contesting? I have my own views, and I'm not always right... well.. yes I am actually but I have to say that the use of these things in a contest setting offends me on every level. Sandbagging is legal too... doesn't make it right. 2 cents, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] TOSS
Do they still fly at the TOSS field in the valley on the weekends? Will anyone be there with a winch on Sat? TIA, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
It would be like drinking de cafe coffee ... what would be the point of it That's how I feel about those who choose to use varios for TD contest flying What's the point? Fly the freakin' airplane... ;-) I'm kind of surprised that varios aren't being used in UAV's to sustain or extend flight. Pretty simple really. Or maybe they are and we don't know about it... With Joe having a hand in designing UAV's, the darn things probably thermal better than Bacus... ;-) D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling
I am lucky to get out and soar the old fashioned way when I can. The old fashioned way? With a picolario stuck in your ear? I'm sorry... but i don't remember that from the old days funny thing is... the best I've ever seen Jim fly was at this past Nats, F3J when nothing was stuck in his ear Please people... since it's allowed in AMA competition... PLEASE use your picolarios since AMA allows it... and cuz you guys forget to fly the model while you're intently listening for lift;-) I'm sorry... but I feel the things should be disallowed in competition... Should we use them in hand launch too? D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Santa Barbara
Looks like my full scale flying takes me to Santa Barbara this weekend. I'd like to fly my Insanity somewhere but I don't know of any TD clubs up that way. Anyone know of the nearest wench... uh... winch that will be set up Sat and Sun? TIA, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Machinists?
Hey guys, I need some help with some CNC work. Contact me offline please. Thanks, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supras done
This is rather far aft hook position which requires special action during launch. On my Evo program the left slider is an elevator (speed) trim with a small gain. For the launch throw I push the slider all the way forward which feeds in a slight amount of down-elevator. Once the glider rotates and settles down in the climb, I pull the slider back to its normal center position for maximum load just short of stall. ... leaving the left thumb free to work the slider. Or you could greatly simplify things and use your right thumb to push the nose over a bit just prior to stall. It's a very minor bump of the elevator. I've done some sims of the initial pitch dynamics immediately after the throw. There is a very significant CL overshoot at the end of the initial nose-up rotation. So if you trim the glider for maximum pull during the climb and zoom, and throw with this trim, then you are guaranteed to stall at the top of the nose-up rotation. So for maximum launch performance, it is necessary to add some initial nose-down trim to safely get past the initial pitch transients after the throw. Mark is very much correct. My models have aggressive CG's, very aggressive hook locations, and aggressive camber settings. And my models will all stall and do bad things if I don't bump the elevator prior to stalling on the line. But unlike Mark, I'm not willing to give up any of that initial rotation by backing off on the elevator preset. I just use the right stick and fly the model... My models have been set up like this for years. I know that most of you guys are afraid of that hard nose up out of your hand, and back off your launch set up to minimize this. Yes, it doesn't stall that way... but it's also not pulling as hard as it is capable. In other words, you're giving up launch altitude... He who launches highest... wins... D __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supras done
Guys, No I don't have a Supra. I was addressing aggressive launch set ups on any model. The tendencies Dr. Drela mentions in his email are not specific to the Supra, but are exhibited in every model I've every owned and set up Daryl style. You guys just haven't been listening for the last 15 years ;-) Thanks Mark - they listen to you!!! ;-) Start pushing those hook positions and launch set ups boys... they'll launch higher... not just Supras... everything Jeez! Smilin' D __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters and Woodies
OK...ok...I think I've got it. Mr. Diniz, are you taking notes??? I would like to propose for the Horizon/ JR Unlimited Masters of Soaring contest... so as to NOT exclude anybody... we fly the following classes: Unlimited RES RES and Flaps RE and Flaps 2M 2M RES 2M RES and Flaps 2M RE and Flaps Woody Built up full house Woody RES Woody RES and Flaps Woody RE and Flaps Composite Built up full house Composite built up RES Composite built up RES and Flaps Composite built up RE and Flaps 2M Woody RES 2M Woody RES and Flaps 2M Woody RE and Flaps Oh and foam of all the above... We should also fly in each age group... I'm pretty sure I could take the born between May 20 and May 22, 1961 class (when did I get so freaking old???) But the class we're all really hoping for in creating all these classes is the... drum roll please There's no way I can beat Joe Wurts so what the heck is he NOT going to fly Class Oh, and John, can you make sure there is at least 5K per class in this for 1st place, so we can all afford to go??? If we have enough classes, I think we can all get wood... Sorry guys... this is killing me... Happy New Year to all! And I remember a time when we all came to a contest and flew whatever we wanted cuz it was fun... Had my ass handed to me plenty of times by built up POS's. Tongue in Cheek - have fun guys, D __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] A good reason to use 5 cells
Guys, I've been running 5 cells for at least 10 years now. Faster is better... more available torque is better. I have never seen a servo that moves faster than my thumb. If my servo is faster, I can move in (closer to the servo) on the output arm (or longer horn at the Control surface), providing better mechanical advantage or leverage (equating to more power at the control surface). My point is we need to be responsible about our servo and linkage installs. I constantly see people running the longest servo output arm, and the shortest flap horn - and then dialing down the throw in the radio... you're gonna blow servos up all the time doing that. I try to set up my linkage, so that I what I require as max travel will be accomplished with close to the maximum settings in the radio. In other words - I'll use percentages here and flap as a control surface - my flap travels 90 degrees at 100% throw as designated in the radio. If I have to back off on that setting say back to 50% - that means I'm working the servo twice as hard. Again - that's a study in how to blow up servos... the control surface will move really fast though Don't let people fool you into saying that less torque or slower servos are better we are always behind the model... slow the servo down and you'll get even farther behind the model 2 1/2 cents worth... send the check to... D __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] LSF US Soaring Masters sponsored by Horizon Hobby and JR Radio
This is a wonderful thing. Thanks John/JR/Horizon! I will gladly attend proudly wearing my blue shirt. ;-) For those who have never soared Muncie... this will not be your typical steer and stab. Soaring skills will be required. I especially like the requirement to be an LSF member... ok.. no I don't, but it's a great idea for those darn LSF guys. Where is that damn form? ;-) See ya in Muncie... again... ewe... D __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supra Question??
Hey Marty, My question is how do you guys in the know think the bagged supra Im putting together will stack up against the molded one now available? First off - Phil's bagged wings are second to none. Best airfoil reproduction and LE shaping for a bagged production wing I've ever seen. Now that being said - What you'll probably notice with the bagged version vs. the molded one will be slightly less cruise performance - getting to thermals...coming home from way downwind, etc... My experience is the very slight low grade ripples that most bagged wings exhibit, and the less than perfectly shaped LE tends to make the model just a bit less slippery, without noticeably hurting sinkrate. You will probably never notice it if you don't range out side by side with a moldie. Now... I used to bag all my slope racers - and they were pretty fast... and with some work, you can eliminate the pitfalls of the bagger. It will require some leading edge templates, upper and lower surface templates... some long sanding blocks... sand and fill...sand and fill... sand and fill... Probably not worth the work if you're not going to a world championships... but my point is with a bit of modelling... we can eliminate any difference between molded and bagged performance... For TD - personally - I just get them from Phil and fly them... ;-) D __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] I have a new website
Dave's work is second to none. He aided with the buildout on the Visalia winning Insanity. I'm pretty much of a pain in the ass when it comes to what I want... but my models will go straight to Dave for servo installs in the future. Did I leave anything out Dave??? ;-) D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Paging Mr Wingstedt
Sorry for the bandwidth... But I am in possession of Bill Wingstedt's yellow Sharon. Beautiful model... flies great (actually it's in the rafters)... just thought he might want it back someday. Bill, prior to calling me a crook... let me know if you are in a rush for this, or want me to hang onto it... it's not in the way... just thought you may want it. And again, thank you for your generosity. D __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Challenge the US F3J Team at the SWC!!!
I'm game... Finding towers will probably be our biggest challenge however. D __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Soaring in So Cal this w/e
Hi guys, Looks like I'll be in So Cal this weekend at my old stomping grounds. In other words, I'll be in the San Dimas area. I had heard that the SWSA field had closed. Is there anywhere else nearby to come and shoot some landings? Any contests on Sunday? TIA, D __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Road trip....
...OK... last year you pansies told me I didn't give you enough notice to fly with me to Muncie to attend the NATS. Well, with all this banter about the NATS coverage... I thought I'd mention I'll be taking the 421 to Muncie this upcoming year. Right seat is already spoken for... that leaves 4-5 comfortable seats. Nothing in stone as of yet as far as dates go... depends on who's joining me... and when they would like to go and return. I'll definitely be there for F3B through unlimited. Drop me a line offline, and let's figure it out. It's way more fun than that damn commercial thing... D __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] pultruded carbon I beams
OK guys, I've spent the last hour searching for some small modelers size carbon I beams. I have seen them somewhere in our little community. Any freakin' ideas Thanks, D __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Subject: RC and airports
I'm sorry people. I didn't mean to stir up this much [EMAIL PROTECTED] When it happened, I really didn't think much of it. Just a flash of a toy airplane, damn that was close...what the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is that doing there? and I continued with my 25 degree bank base to final turn. Ya seeI was kinda busy at the time. I didn't get pissed until after... I don't know how close that hill is to the end of the runway 25R. At 120 kts, it sure seems pretty close. The first time I went in there, my thought was, What an odd place to put a hill... It is EXACTLY where I would normally turn base. Ya see, I have just replaced my windshield at 12K, and a new engine at 70K. I doubt our infamous Zagi pilot has insurance that will cover stupidity, or my wrongful but somewhat pleasing death (for some of you)... Or... if he'd even be there when I returned to kick his a@@... ;-) I was just sending a note to ask some of us to use our heads. Take care and please be smart... D __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] RC and airports
Has anyone ever flown into Deer Valley? The base leg is over or behind a small hill. This hill could be perfect for slope soaring... if any idiot is dumb enough to soar that close to an airport OK... so I'm turning base to final in my 421. Had to cut it a little short as there was another twin outside me for 25 Left. That put me right on top of the hill. The wind was howling, almost 20 kts straight cross. Nice day for slopin' The unmistakeable outline of a flying wing foam POS flashes in front of me. Maybe 50 ft. below me, and 30 yards in front of me he was pushing hard, I believe in an effort to get out of my way. Do you people have any [EMAIL PROTECTED] idea how much damage a foam wing can do to my aircraft? No... it's not just gonna bounce offThere are real people sitting in these full scale crafts guys! I've often complained about these foam things trying to take out my glass ships... now they're trying to take out real planes too??? Sorry to take this out on the exchange... but I'm pissed. Being a RC guy... I didn't report this guy to the tower. But if any of you know who might be sloping near the Deer Valley airport, could you kindly ask him to stop? It's a dumb place to fly... There are slopes all over that valley. Let's use some common sense guys Sorry for the rant... when did I turn into my grumpy grandfather??? D __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Visalia 05
Another great year at Visalia! Visalia is not really a contest, it's an event. Let me just get this out of the way - Sal sucks! He had me pay his entry, and he didn't even show up... I did at least take his t-shirt. My g/f will look good in it... ;-) Thanks to all the workers at this contest. CVRC is a pretty small club, and for them to continually put on an event of this magnitude is an extraordinary achievement. A heartfelt Thanks goes to Larry Taylor for putting this together this year. Conditions were strange for Visalia this year. Thermals were, on occasion, farther apart than the normal 200-300 yards I think probably quite a few people didn't make their times. Landings were tough, not just the task, but the switching winds made them even more tricky than normal. Scoring well was tough. Brendan Beardsley and Mikey Sherman - what great flyers they are gonna be. I had to sign quite a few dollars for them. Fortunately, they'll find girls soon... and won't return until they're about 30. I'll be flying Grey Cup by then One of the things about Visalia that we all seem to love to hate is the landing tasks. They always seem to come up with something that not only challenges our abilities, but seems to roll the dice and add some luck factor. I have to say that I don't feel very good about the win this year. I know of people who landed better than I did, but scored worse. If there is anyone from Visalia out there reading this - guys, that is just not right. Visalia has become the premier event in RC soaring. I believe it to be the largest, best attended, contest in the World. As the Open Class winner this year, I would like to humbly request this unwritten policy of crap shoot landings be rethought. I think it would be nice to raise the Visalia contest from premier event status, to premier contest status as well. Just thinking out loud. It was nice to see the Triad resurrected. That is a neat concept, and a prestigious title. Now that we know it is up and running again, it would be nice to see more of you go after it next year. You're not going to win it, but it would be nice to see ya go after it... ;-) It was great see all my old friends, and to make some new ones. The Lancair is running great, and got me all the way fom Havasu to Scottsdale to Visalia and back again. Woohoo! I love it when the hamster keeps runnin'. I even heard about some guy in a plane that looked much like mine doing a low level fly by. What a coincidence... Thanks to all my friends, the group at CVRC, my Lancair mechanic, Mike Smith (timer and friend), the group from AZ (allowing me to eat on their dollars this year), the blonde in the tranny impound tent for making this year as special as all the rest. If you've never been to the Fall Fest, it is truly a special experience. Hope to see you all there next year!!! D __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] DP's 2m found in Muncie
LOL!!! Thanks for all your help guys. Plane still looks just as good as the last time I saw it... or didn't see it. Can somebody send back those quarters on the tail? I lost my shorts on Sunday at Visalia to Beardsley's kid. That little sh.t can land! But I think I'm still a buck up on him for the contest. Yes, I'm not proud... I take money from children. (Or their dads) And uh... nooo. We don't drink Jager anymore... Not since Jack and Karen tried to kill me That's pretty funny guys, thanks! Can't wait to see it. I'm sure it will show up at the most opportune time... ;-) Hang on to it, might need a 2M for the Nats next year D __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 4 Sail
Hey Guys, I will be bringing to Visalia a very custom made Space Pro 3.27 x-tail for sale. It is new in the box... but without the box. Carbon skins, very stiff custom Daryl layup, white on blue. Space Pros are great flying models, fit and finish is amazing. This is the sister ship to the one I just sold. If ya want to strike a deal prior to anyone else seeing it, or if you're not going to Visalia and don't want to miss out... ping me offline for photos and pricing info. See ya'll at the Big V. D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 2 Meter Found
I may know who the owner is. Hang on to that bad boy... and maybe he'll pick it up next year. Maybe not Damn 2 meters never go away... ;-) D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Insane test fly
Guys, I'll be coming to Phoenix area this weekend to test fly my newest Insanity, and prepare it for the big V. Where do you guys fly now? Winches set up? Grass for shootin' landings? Anyone want to come out and play? Bring your singles... no not women... well... bring them too. We can land for pinks... Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] OK Gordy - what are you building 2nite
Finishing up my 2nd Insanity 3.7. I had a goal of sub 80 ounces, but didn't really care... damn thing's too light anyway. Gonna finish out at 81.5, about 2 ounces lighter than my second one. The wings are 3.5 ounces lighter than my first set... but this fuse is so not gonna break... it's about 2 ounces heavier out of the molds than the first one... and lots more carbon... Loading is at 8.64 ounces/ft. Flying Sat morning... What are you building? D __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Visalia plane ride - good times to be had by all
Hi Guys, I was initially planning on taking the Lancair to Visalia this year - but, looks like the C421 will be available. See attached pic: OK - I unattached the pic cuz it looked like it wasn't going through... if you're interested ping me offline and I'll send ya a pic and resent. I am looking for 4-5 brave souls to accompany me to Visalia and share in the fuel expense. Looks like my trip will begin in Scottsdale or Deer Valley, AZ sometime Friday, and return Sunday afternoon/eve. I would prefer Arizonians so I don't have to stop... but if I don't fill the plane in AZ, I can stop in So Cal to pick up interested parties. I know this is last minute, but you guys are just planning on driving anyways... and you can certainly hitch rides once you get there (that's what I always do... ) I'm gonna make Sal drive me around this year... ;-) Ping me offline, and let me know ASAP for planning purposes. Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] T/D flying for $$$$$
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Re: [RCSE] T/D flying for $$$$$
Let me know where and when guys. And thanks for putting this together... I can use the money... ;-) Mike, as you know - it's all about the buck... better bring some to Visalia. D __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The right servo for spoilers
...and Id like your recommendations for the best micro servo for the job. Ok... ok... ok OK. I can't resist. ;-) If you want weaker... slower... heavier... larger... and more expensive I'd use the JR 368. ;-) Otherwise, the new Airtronics digital would be a good choice... 94761. Probably more power than you need though I'm sorry, John these guys are killin' me I just couldn't take it ;-) D __ Yahoo! for Good Watch the Hurricane Katrina Shelter From The Storm concert http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/shelter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RE: Airtronics new digital wing servo
I didn't mean to start a manufacturer's war. I just found a neat new servo, and wanted to share that with the group. It is true, I do not exactly pay retail for radio... but it doesn't really matter, I do not promote a product I don't believe in - period. Now that being said, I'm not sure where John is getting his data. In my post, I referred to a brand X... yes, it was one of those junior (JR) servos. ;-) Radio or servo manufacturers obviously test their products, and put some sort of spin on it to help sell it. Some manufacturers may derate that data to be safe, others may bump it up to artificially show superiority over their competitors. Again, I do not know where Mr. Diniz got his data. All I know is after all this mess, I rec'd another email from the gentleman who did the initial test I forwarded. This is what it said: i see all those post on RCSE and the specs on these servos. Thats why i decided to test these servos and not read labels. All i know is the 368 wouldn't pick up the weight and the Z servo did, thats all i need to see. That kind of says it all, guys. I didn't want to get into personal thoughts about the servos, since I'm obviously tainted by the allmighty dollar. I am getting so freaking rich from flying toy airplanes - you should see my yacht... ;-) But... here ya go - My experience with the new Airtronics Digital is it's the best servo I've ever run. I've never run the JR 368 (I would have had to pay for the f...er) ;-) I ran the Airtronics servo on my Sharon, flaps and ailerons. No issues with blowback on launch or landing. I put them in my Space Pro - again... super stiff and strong. Used the servo for the full flying elevator in my F3B model. That made me nervous, but again - works great. The last number for torque I was given by Airtronics was 53 ounces. That was a verbal, and I don't know how true it is. So I guess... a more appropriate statement would be: As strong, faster, smaller, lighter, cheaper ;-) D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Airtronics new digital wing servo
Guys, I hesitate posting this, as it is a rather shameless plug for my favorite radio company and one of their new products but I think it's nice to finally have another quality option for servos. JR has pretty much owned the market for wing servos in the past few years. I just rec'd this unsolicited email from a friend of mine, who had been building out my newest Insanity, and as such, was exposed to the prototype servos I've been running. He has since purchased the production versions: i put a new Airtronics digital servo in one flap and left the brand X servo in the other. using a 4 cell pack. *the airtronic servo looks twice as fast. *i put a one lb. weight on the trailing edge right by the control horn, the brand x servo wouldn't move it, the Airtronics would. *trailing edge is tight with no movement with the Airtronics digital, the brand x has a ton of slop. *The Airtronics is .030 skinnier too. I just found my new servo from now on. I just ordered 20 from Tower. with there little coupons they knocked off $80. bucks! This is just one individual's experience with the servos. Your results obviously may vary. He seems pretty happy. He was a staunch brand x supporter before these servos. I'll be the first to admit, that Airtronics has lagged behind in the area of product development for both servos and radios in the past few years. They are very strong in the car market. These servos demonstrate a commitment to remaining a player in the years to come. We also have a new radio coming. I can't wait for that one Next time you're ready to order some servos, consider the new Airtronics digitals. Let us all on the exchange know what you think - pros and cons. I think the part number is 94671Z. Sounds like a zip code... ;-) Thanks for the bandwidth, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] question
Any body else getting very few posts these days, starting to feel a bit lonely:-). I use a separate yahoo mail address for RCSE stuff only. For some reason, yahoo started dumping all my rcse mail into my bulk or spam folder in the last week. You may want to check there. D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Recovering expenses - models for sale
What's that? Daryl sold his insanity? Yup but I did break up with the therapist. Turns out they're more nuts than the rest of us... Look for new model coming soon... D Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats'05 and other musings
I don't see how anyone could feel anything but good thoughts about Sara and her family, and their contributions to the Nats over the years. I totally agree. Oh, and btw... she's kinda ho... and darn near 18 I'm told I'm so sorry... I couldn't resist... ROTFLMAO D Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] airfoil comparison M1738 and JW 0908
I'm doing an airfoil comparison on a set of molds I've already had cut for F3B. Does anyone have the coordinates for the M1738 that is on the Crossfire? I haven't even seen the model, and I'm not interested in ripping it. The thicknesses and cambers are very close between the two wings... and I just want to take a peek at how close the sections are. TIA D Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Recovering expenses - models for sale
Thanks John, Both the Space Pro and the Insanity have been spoken for. Should either deal fall through, I will post them again. Thanks for your time and bandwidth. I love the internet... ;-) D Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Recovering expenses - models for sale
Insanity is sold. Space Pro still up for grabs. Pics should be available in the next few minutes. Thx, D Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Recovering expenses - models for sale
OK, it's been a rather expensive year. What with losing 2 models, my new eyes (yes - I got glasses - they work bitchin'!) and travelling to Muncie and Denver Team Selects in my own planes... the 421 gets rather pricey to fly. But it's s cool Anyway, I'll be selling: 1 HKM Space Pro - made specifically for me. The wings are stiff. The model is pristine, except for the top of the fin has some hangar rash. Pics available later this eve. Multiplex MCV2 servos in the wings. Might have Super FL's on the ailerons. (I'll confirm later today) I will take the servos out of the fuse as they are the new Airtronics digitals, and they're prototypes. Besides, I love the servos and want to keep them. The thing thermals and flies like a dream. Perfect windy weather F3J or TD model. Also a very competitive F3B plane. White tops, blue bottoms. It's pretty too. It's super fun to fly, and I really don't want to sell it, but I have a back up. Model is 3.27 meters, and at only 83 ounces rtf. Btw - these tip panels will plug right into your Sharon Pro 3.7 center panel. I will sell with the battery pack, and the servos in the wings, and obviously the wiring harness. No receiver. $875.00 OBO - I need to let it rip. You pay shipping. Insanity 3.7 - this thing is tired, but still flies GREAT! 1st place Spring Fling 2005. 1st place Southwest Classic 2005. Nats open class 2nd place - 2004 and 2005. 2nd place Visalia - 2004. Most of my 1,000 point rounds in the TS were flying this model. Never took a time hit with it. Those are the only contests it's ever flown in. Not a bad record, huh? Damage History - Midaired by Mr. Kiesling round 2 F3J Team Selects. Crinkled the right tip panel at the tip, and the root of the tip panel at the hingeline. Plane is still structural. Many launches afterwards at the TS. The fuse has been broken at the nose only. Easy fix. Carbon bagged stabs - bagged them myself - they're strong. Super lightweight carbon fin. Looks cool, too. 6 Digital Multiplex MCV2's driving the control surfaces. You get all 6 servos and the wiring harnesses. It wouldn't be much work to make this model pretty again. I'll take pictures later this afternoon for your perusal this eve. I have no idea how to put a price on this one. Just the cost of the airframe components at wholesale are well over 1,000 bucks. That's not even including the price of the servos. This is the very first prototype. Own some soaring history - how would you like to own that very first Icon??? ;-) I'm thinking 700 OBO. First 700 offer takes it. You pay shipping. (And yes, I have a new set of Insanity parts coming) I wouldn't be without one in my quiver. These are both steals - Ping me offline if interested. D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] New USA F3J team
1) Tom Kiesling 2) Joe Wurts 3) Skip Miller 4-Alt.) Craig Greening This is confirmed. I was there. Brutal conditions. Nice job guys! Thanks to the hosting club. They did a great job amidst tough conditions, wind changes, thunderstorms, etc... TK has been practicing... A LOT... and it shows. JW - well, he's Joe. He just doesn't screw up. Skip - had to be the radio and some sort of deal with the Devil ... ;-) Guys - I had a blast! Had some tough breaks, but I can't fly any better than that. (If you have a choice... don't get the lane next to TK ) ;-) The Insanity flew amazingly well in these conditions. I didn't know if the bagged version could even take a F3J tow. It did great in the downwind. I was planning on molding it had I made the team. May have to do it anyway. I didn't see any model I would have rather been flying. TK's model, very impressive also. A handmade Supra I think. All in all, a well run contest, and a good time. Nice to see so much interest in the FAI tasks these days. (Shut up Chuck... ;-) ) D Since I haven't seen it posted here yet, here is what I heard from Jimbo and TK travelling on their way back home. Of course this is unofficial. 1) Tom Kiesling 2) Joe Wurts 3) Skip Miller 4-Alt.) Craig Greening __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
