Re: Stopping FoxNews Videos ?

[Mason83]

On 24/01/2019 02:22, DoctorBill wrote:

> I go to FoxNews and if I click on a story,
> the video automatically starts playing.
> This essentially slows my system down to a crawl.
> 
> Is there some "Toggle" in SM that I can click off
> where a video only runs if I allow it ?

media.autoplay.enabled = false
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Re: Does SeaMonkey keep its browsing history forever until I tell it to clear it?

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On 02/01/2019 10:32, Ant wrote:

> Or is there a limit? I cannot seem to find the answer online. :(

places.history.expiration.transient_current_max_pages ?
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Re: How to disable the cache for just one site ?

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On 02/09/2018 22:52, Ray_Net wrote:

> I had a problem because SM show me the old version of a page on a site.
> 
> To avoid this, I put the cache length = 0
> 
> But now, some sites are too slow.
> 
> How can I disable the cache for just one site ?

I'm not sure you can.

You could enable the cache, and hit SHIFT+F5 when you load
the problematic website.
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Re: Downloading for Vimeo

[Mason83]

On 27/08/2018 16:30, Daniel wrote:

> I've contributed to a couple of Kickstarter projects which entitle me to 
> download the Video's from such sites as Vimeo.com. And Youtube.com as 
> well, and other sites.
> 
> When I enter the supplied password, I'd expect I can watch the video, 
> but how do I actually get the video file downloaded onto my hard drive?? 
> Can I do it with-in SeaMonkey, or do I need an add-on??

AFAIU, Video DownloadHelper is quite popular.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/

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Re: OT Facebook question

[Mason83]

On 23/08/2018 14:08, Smiles wrote:

> A friend's wife was killed in a car accident and her cell phone destroyed.
> She never back it up but over 3000 photos were downloaded to her 
> Facebook account is there any easy way of downloading them all without 
> selecting each photo. she has others that are lost for ever because they 
> were never posted
> 
> Sorry I do not use or have a Facebook account so I have noidea

Does the woman's husband have her FB login and password?

If yes, then FB now allows one to download everything from one's
account, including uploaded pictures, I suppose.

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Bad news for SM 2.49 (based on FF 52)

[Mason83]

Hello,

I think this spells bad news for non-WebEx FF forks:

Mozilla to Remove Legacy Firefox Add-Ons From AMO in Early October
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/mozilla-to-remove-legacy-firefox-add-ons-from-add-on-portal-in-early-october/

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Re: Possible to have e-mail links open in default browser?

[Mason83]

On 19/08/2018 19:18, David wrote:

> While I realize that Seamonkey may view itself as a one-in-all package, 
> I personally would only like to use the e-mail client, since I prefer 
> current Firefox for browsing.
> But of course copying/pasting links is kind of annoying.
> Is it possible to change how links are opened somewhere? Didn't find 
> anything in the options myself...

I'm curious why you don't use Thunderbird?

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Re: Which version of SQLite?

[Mason83]

On 05/08/2018 18:49, Dirk Munk wrote:

> When I want to open a database, SQLiteStudio wants to know if it is an 
> SQLite 2 or SQLite 3 database. I don't want to corrupt anything, so it 
> would be nice to know which version Seamonkey is usin.

Why don't you just make a copy of the SQLite files in a temporary
directory, and use your program on the copies?
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Re: Which version of SQLite?

[Mason83]

On 04/08/2018 11:21, Dirk Munk wrote:

> Seamonkey is using SQLlite for its own 'housekeeping'.
> 
> Which version is it using?

I couldn't find the answer, but these links might provide
some information:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox_Operational_Information_Database:_SQLite
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/XPCOM/Storage

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Re: Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders?

[Mason83]

On 23/07/2018 10:28, b2m13j1o...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 at 5:46:48 PM UTC+1, Mike C wrote:
>> Every time I delete something from my inbox I get the following.
>> This just started.
>>
>> "Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disk space?"
>>
>> How do I eliminate it??
> 
> Thick as I may appear just what effect does the following message mean?
> Do you wish to compact all local and offline folders to save disc space? This 
> will save about 20.6 MB

Do you realize you're replying to a 6 year-old message?

By default, SM/TB store messages in the mbox format
(one system file per mail "folder")

When a message is deleted, for performance reasons, it is only
marked as deleted (exactly as some filesystems do). Compacting
means rewriting the whole file after actually removing the
deleted messages.

Hope I was clear(ish)

Rgds
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Re: Dear monkey

[Mason83]

On 21/07/2018 12:38, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

> Probably a case here were a much simpler program like Chrome does 
> the job better

Why would you say Chrome is simpler than SM?

In UI/UX?

You can't mean the source code complexity, because Chrome
and FF are probably on the same order.

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Re: Cox Webmail Access Blocked

[Mason83]

On 03/07/2018 15:35, Cecil Bankston wrote:
> I usually use my SeaMonkey browser to access my Cox Webmail to mark the 
> spam messages the Cox filter misses before I download new messages with 
> SeaMonkey Mail.  SeaMonkey Mail still accesses the account normally; but 
> recently, after I enter my address and password on the Cox Webmail 
> sign-in page I get a new pop-up saying "Authentication Required" and 
> "https://myemail.cox.net is requesting your username and password. The 
> site says: “OX WebDAV”.   Even if I re-enter the username and password, 
> the same pop-up returns, blocking my webmail access.
> 
> Edge browser accesses the webmail page normally.
> 
> Can anyone suggest what may have changed to cause this issue and what 
> might be done to correct it?

You should try with a fresh test profile.

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Re: How to forward images?

[Mason83]

On 01/07/2018 11:59, Tom Pamin wrote:
> When I forward an email that has images, the recipient only receives a 
> plain text email with lots of url's. How do I forward it so it has the 
> images of the original email?

Pick Forward as Attachment, not Forward Inline.
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Re: EBAY support?

[Mason83]

On 18/06/2018 18:55, meagain wrote:

> "As of June 26, 2018 you will no longer be able to check out on eBay 
> with your current browser. "
> 
> What do I do about this, pray tell?

Option 1: Nothing. Wait and see what shakes loose.
Option 2: Lie about your UA.

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Re: Testing Marking Cross-posts as read in SeaMonkey

[Mason83]

On 13/06/2018 07:14, Daniel wrote:

> The way I figure, there must be information in the message headers which 
> is common to all the cross-posts but different to any other posts in any 
> of the mentioned groups.

Yes: the Message-ID.

That of your initial message is 

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Re: Disabling SSL/TLS protocols to safeguard payment data

[Mason83]

On 11/06/2018 14:32, Daniel wrote:
> Mason83 wrote on 11/06/18 19:31:
>> On 08/06/2018 21:02, Andy K wrote:
>>
>>> June 30, 2018 is the deadline for disabling SSL/early TLS and
>>> implementing a more secure encryption protocol – TLS 1.1 or higher
>>> (TLS v1.2 is strongly encouraged) in order to meet the PCI Data
>>> Security Standard (PCI DSS) for safeguarding payment data.
>>>
>>> For Firefox and Seamonkey
>>>
>>> In about:config, set security.tls.version.min to 2 to prevent
>>> protocols lower than TLS 1.1 from being used.
>>>
>>> Reference: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Security.tls.version.*
>>
>> FWIW, one of the largest banks in France seems to be stuck
>> using TLS 1.0
>>
>> Trying to connect to https://particuliers.secure.lcl.fr/
>> leads to this error message:
>>
>> """
>> Secure Connection Failed
>>
>> An error occurred during a connection to particuliers.secure.lcl.fr.
>>
>> Peer using unsupported version of security protocol.
>>
>> Error code: > title="SSL_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_VERSION">SSL_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_VERSION
>>
>> The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of 
>> the received data could not be verified.
>>
>>  Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
>> """
> 
> So that's what it means!! ;-)
> 
> Each day, when I download my e-mails, SM usually filters most of them 
> into the Trash folder (as I've set things up!). I then go through my 
> Trash folder and send copies of those e-mails to Spamcop.net and, often, 
> SM gives me a screen the same as yours, Mason. When I then re-send the 
> e-mail, things usually work fine!!
> 
> Last week, I asked my ISP what was going on, and he said it was an error 
> on their server, then I mentioned that it usually worked second time 
> around. He replied that, second time around, it was probably getting to 
> a different server!
> 
> Mason, did you try logging on again, i.e. clicking the "Resend" button 
> on that Error screen?? If so, does it work, second time around??

I'm afraid there is nothing to "Resend" as I was just trying to load
a web page, at URL https://particuliers.secure.lcl.fr/

I suppose I can "Reload" but I suspect it will always fail (until
TLS 1.0 is re-enabled).

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Re: Disabling SSL/TLS protocols to safeguard payment data

[Mason83]

On 08/06/2018 21:02, Andy K wrote:

> June 30, 2018 is the deadline for disabling SSL/early TLS and
> implementing a more secure encryption protocol – TLS 1.1 or higher
> (TLS v1.2 is strongly encouraged) in order to meet the PCI Data
> Security Standard (PCI DSS) for safeguarding payment data.
> 
> For Firefox and Seamonkey
> 
> In about:config, set security.tls.version.min to 2 to prevent
> protocols lower than TLS 1.1 from being used.
> 
> Reference: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Security.tls.version.*

FWIW, one of the largest banks in France seems to be stuck
using TLS 1.0

Trying to connect to https://particuliers.secure.lcl.fr/
leads to this error message:

"""
Secure Connection Failed

An error occurred during a connection to particuliers.secure.lcl.fr.

Peer using unsupported version of security protocol.

Error code: SSL_ERROR_UNSUPPORTED_VERSION

The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the 
received data could not be verified.

Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
"""


https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=particuliers.secure.lcl.fr

This server supports weak Diffie-Hellman (DH) key exchange parameters. Grade 
capped to B.   MORE INFO »
The server supports only older protocols, but not the current best TLS 1.2. 
Grade capped to C.  MORE INFO »
This server accepts RC4 cipher, but only with older protocols. Grade capped to 
B.  MORE INFO »
This server does not support Forward Secrecy with the reference browsers. Grade 
capped to B.  MORE INFO »
This server does not support Authenticated encryption (AEAD) cipher suites. 
Grade capped to B.  MORE INFO »


When will these people take security seriously?

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Re: Sophos reports an ROP problem, and shuts Seamonkey down.

[Mason83]

On 30/05/2018 21:48, EE wrote:

> What is ROP?  I found 4 possible expansions for that abbreviation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return-oriented_programming
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Re: Images not displaying on brickset.com

[Mason83]

On 30/05/2018 11:26, Jonathan Wilson wrote:
> When I visit a URL like 
> https://brickset.com/sets/79111-1/Constitution-Train-Chase I should see a 
> picture of a train. If I visit using an alternative browser (Internet 
> Explorer in this case) or with a fresh profile for testing, the image shows 
> up. But on my primary SeaMonkey profile, I can't see the images.
> I am using SeaMonkey 2.49.3 (the latest release version).
> 
> I have tested a restart in safe mode (on my primary profile) and the images 
> are still gone (so that rules out adblock or any other add-ons being the 
> cause)
> 
> Anyone know what could cause the images not to display? I have attempted to 
> check the permissions by going to "preferences-privacy and security-images" 
> and pressing "manage permissions" which displays a "data manager" window 
> but that doesn't work (SM hangs for a bit then displays an error that 
> dataman.js is too slow or something and stops running the script, the 
> dialog does nothing after that)
> 
> Is there a way to see/edit any image related permissions that may be set 
> without needing to use the "data manager"? Is there a way to get the "data 
> manager" to work without crashing (and without me needing to delete any of 
> my stored cookies or other stored data?)

Take a look at about:support
Especially "Important Modified Preferences" section.

Does anything suspicious stand out?

As Stanimir points out, image does not load if Javascript for the
page is disabled (either globally or through NoScript).

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Re: SeaMonkey version 2.49.3 Browser won't load Google and youtube sites

[Mason83]

On 24/05/2018 12:29, dirk wrote:

> Yeah, something strange happened, I mentioned google.com worked, NOT 
> ANYMORE

I would assume either a virus, or an aggressive anti-virus.
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Re: SeaMonkey version 2.49.3 Browser won't load Google and youtube sites

[Mason83]

On 22/05/2018 13:04, dirk wrote:
> I recently installed SeaMonkey version 2.49.3, but thr browser won't 
> load Google and youtube sites, saying it is not safe
> 
> the error is
> 
>  id="errorCode"title="SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER">SEC_ERROR_UNKNOWN_ISSUER
> 
> Do I need a certificate to download?

This is what I get "out-of-the-box"


Certification path for "*.google.com"
Certificate:
Version:
Version 3
Serial Number:
5A:59:2A:CE:09:9A:02:88
Certificate Signature Algorithm:
PKCS #1 SHA-256 With RSA Encryption
Issuer:
CN = Google Internet Authority G3
O = Google Trust Services
C = US
Validity:
Not Before:
mardi 17 avril 2018 16:02:11
(mardi 17 avril 2018 14:02:11 GMT)
Not After:
mardi 10 juillet 2018 14:40:00
(mardi 10 juillet 2018 12:40:00 GMT)
Subject:
CN = *.google.com
O = Google Inc
L = Mountain View
ST = California
C = US
Subject Public Key Info:
Subject Public Key Algorithm:
Algorithm Identifier:
Elliptic Curve Public Key
Algorithm Parameters:
ANSI X9.62 elliptic curve prime256v1 (aka secp256r1, NIST P-256)
Subject’s Public Key:
Key size: 256 bits
Base point order length: 256 bits
Public value:
04 b1 e5 cb 20 32 e5 a9 03 d7 0f dd c2 d3 92 fa 
63 fe e2 61 4b 74 d0 5e 5f 2b 3e c1 0d 89 e3 08 
2d 76 ca 9b 20 47 df bf eb 1b 89 d3 4b c5 8c bb 
b0 4e c1 73 b2 d1 95 8d a5 b9 9d 6b b9 c1 f9 b1 
0e 
Extensions:
Extended Key Usage:
Not Critical
TLS Web Server Authentication (1.3.6.1.5.5.7.3.1)
Certificate Key Usage:
Critical
Signing
Certificate Subject Alt Name:
Not Critical
DNS Name: *.google.com
DNS Name: *.android.com
DNS Name: *.appengine.google.com
DNS Name: *.cloud.google.com
DNS Name: *.db833953.google.cn
DNS Name: *.g.co
DNS Name: *.gcp.gvt2.com
DNS Name: *.google-analytics.com
DNS Name: *.google.ca
DNS Name: *.google.cl
DNS Name: *.google.co.in
DNS Name: *.google.co.jp
DNS Name: *.google.co.uk
DNS Name: *.google.com.ar
DNS Name: *.google.com.au
DNS Name: *.google.com.br
DNS Name: *.google.com.co
DNS Name: *.google.com.mx
DNS Name: *.google.com.tr
DNS Name: *.google.com.vn
DNS Name: *.google.de
DNS Name: *.google.es
DNS Name: *.google.fr
DNS Name: *.google.hu
DNS Name: *.google.it
DNS Name: *.google.nl
DNS Name: *.google.pl
DNS Name: *.google.pt
DNS Name: *.googleadapis.com
DNS Name: *.googleapis.cn
DNS Name: *.googlecommerce.com
DNS Name: *.googlevideo.com
DNS Name: *.gstatic.cn
DNS Name: *.gstatic.com
DNS Name: *.gvt1.com
DNS Name: *.gvt2.com
DNS Name: *.metric.gstatic.com
DNS Name: *.urchin.com
DNS Name: *.url.google.com
DNS Name: *.youtube-nocookie.com
DNS Name: *.youtube.com
DNS Name: *.youtubeeducation.com
DNS Name: *.yt.be
DNS Name: *.ytimg.com
DNS Name: android.clients.google.com
DNS Name: android.com
DNS Name: developer.android.google.cn
DNS Name: developers.android.google.cn
DNS Name: g.co
DNS Name: goo.gl
DNS Name: google-analytics.com
DNS Name: google.com
DNS Name: googlecommerce.com
DNS Name: source.android.google.cn
DNS Name: urchin.com
DNS Name: www.goo.gl
DNS Name: youtu.be
DNS Name: youtube.com
DNS Name: youtubeeducation.com
DNS Name: yt.be
Authority Information Access:
Not Critical
CA Issuers: URI: http://pki.goog/gsr2/GTSGIAG3.crt
OCSP: URI: http://ocsp.pki.goog/GTSGIAG3
Certificate Subject Key ID:
Not Critical
Size: 20 Bytes / 160 Bits
c6 a3 6e 36 5a f2 d3 32 22 c9 78 6e 5a 2f a0 c9 
b7 6b 9c 93 
Certificate Basic Constraints:
Critical
Is not a Certificate Authority
Certificate Authority Key Identifier:
Not Critical
Size: 20 Bytes / 160 Bits
77 c2 b8 50 9a 67 76 76 b1 2d c2 86 d0 83 a0 7e 
a6 7e ba 4b 
Certificate Policies:
Not Critical
1.3.6.1.4.1.11129.2.5.3
2.23.140.1.2.2
CRL Distribution Points:
   

Re: STRANGE problem reaching https://manpages.debian.org/

[Mason83]

On 10/05/2018 15:43, Richard Owlett wrote:

> I'm running Debian 9 installed via netinst in February with some 
> packages added via Synaptic and run neither Update nor Upgrade explicitly.
> 
> My browser is SeaMonkey 2.49.1 downloaded from 
> https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ . I have no 
> add-ins/add-ons/extensions/etc installed.
> 
> I routinely browse with JavaScript disabled.
> 
> I've not had any problems with https://manpages.debian.org/ in the past.
> This morning I'd visited a site which required JavaScript.
> Without having disabled JavaScript I attempted to visit 
> https://manpages.debian.org/ .
> It never loaded. There were NO error messages.
> After disabling JavaScript there was no problem reaching the site.
> I repeated the enable/disable JavaScript sequence several times.
> The problem is repeatable.
> 
> I posted to the debian-user list 
> [https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/05/msg00339.html].
> 
> I got a response stating:
>> Hm, worked fine here, although I only have ff (59.0.2) with ublock
>> (although it's stating nothing was blocked).
>>
>> The page does load some javascript though -- looks to do something with
>> the fonts / css, but it's been a while since I've used JS ...
> 
> I responded:
>>
>> I've the "Firefox ESR" that was installed by default.
>> It loaded  https://manpages.debian.org/ OK.
>> I don't know if it has JavaScript enabled nor do I know how to check.
>> Don't know how to verify its version either.
>> Tried ff a few time in past. Never liked it. 
> 
> Comments/suggestions?

I have NoScript, but debian.org is whitelisted.

https://manpages.debian.org/  loads correctly for me (2.49.2 in Zindoze)

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Re: Security patches

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On 29/04/2018 16:13, Cruz, Jaime wrote:
> There have been several iterations of security patches added to Firefox 
> ESR since Seamonkey 2.49.2 came out.  I've seen them rolled into 
> Thunderbird, but haven't seen a mention of them here...

FRG mentioned 2.49.3 being right around the corner.

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Re: Is it me or are installed extensions not getting updates anymore?

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On 26/04/2018 04:18, Ant wrote:
> I have these currently installed in my SeaMonkey v2.49.2 web browsers:
> * ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs)
> * DOM Inspector 2.0.16.1-signed (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/)
> * Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith)
> * PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
> * uBlock Origin 1.13.8 (https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock)
> 
> Is it because developers moved onto the new Gecko engine? :( Thank you 
> in advance. :)

SM 2.49 is based on FF 52 ESR.

FF 57 changed the addons APIs : XUL to Webextensions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL

All addons had to be rewritten, some authors just gave up.

Thus, new versions have switched to webext, which SM 2.49
does not support, so no upgrade.

If SM 2.54 or higher is ever released, we can use FF webext
addons again.

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Re: No Last Pass

[Mason83]

On 24/04/2018 06:47, Eric wrote:

> Had to re-install windows 10, now I can't make LastPass work.  All of 
> the previous builds come up as corrupt unable to install.  Current 
> version of Seamonkey doesn't support LastPass.
> 
> Please advise.

Versions 4.2 and higher are WebExtensions, i.e. incompatible
with SM.

You could try the last non-webext version: 4.1.67
Either directly or converted by LJ's tool.

https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/751974/lastpass_password_manager-4.1.67-an+fx.xpi

https://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faddons.mozilla.org%2Ffirefox%2Fdownloads%2Ffile%2F751974%2Flastpass_password_manager-4.1.67-an%2Bfx.xpi

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Re: SeaMonkey on Windows XP

[Mason83]

On 23/04/2018 16:37, Ray_Net wrote:
> Mason83 wrote on 23-04-18 16:05:
>> On 23/04/2018 11:15, Daniel wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried to convert the Extension from Firefox mode to SeaMonkey
>>> mode?? This can be done using a converter program/website, but,
>>> unfortunately, I cannot recall the website.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone will post the converter page! ;-)
>> http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/
>>
>> However, I think xxyyz is speaking of an actual plugin, not
>> an extension.
>>
>> Regards.
>
> He says also that he can see the video with firefox wthout adding a 
> plugin, but is unable to see the video with SM.

No, he did need the plugin for FF:

"So I installed FF 52.7.3esr - the panda cams did not work; I installed
the plugin per the instructions in the link, and the panda cams worked!
So I installed the plugin in SM (following the FF instructions) and it
does not show up as a plugin and the panda cams still don't work."

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Re: SeaMonkey on Windows XP

[Mason83]

On 23/04/2018 11:15, Daniel wrote:

> Have you tried to convert the Extension from Firefox mode to SeaMonkey 
> mode?? This can be done using a converter program/website, but, 
> unfortunately, I cannot recall the website.
> 
> Maybe someone will post the converter page! ;-)

http://addonconverter.fotokraina.com/

However, I think xxyyz is speaking of an actual plugin, not
an extension.

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Re: Awful memory leaks

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On 28/03/2018 14:31, Daniel wrote:

> Mason, your User Agent line indicates 
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0

In fact, this is *not* the UA string for SM 2.49
It is the UA string for FF 52 ESR, which I hardcoded via
general.useragent.override to work around a bug in the
dailymotion website. Thanks for reminding me! :-)

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Re: Awful memory leaks

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On 27/03/2018 19:57, IRRITATING SPAMMER wrote:

You have chosen an odd nickname.

> Mason83 wrote:
>
>> There is, as far as I can see, a large memory leak somewhere
>> in the TB code:
>>
>> 2,790,110,536 B (100.0%) -- explicit
>> +--2,359,661,280 B (84.57%) -- maildb
>> ¦  +737,522,464 B (26.43%) -- database(news://SNIP
>> ¦  +692,232,288 B (24.81%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +222,021,472 B (07.96%) -- database(news://SNIP
>> ¦  +180,562,496 B (06.47%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +138,690,496 B (04.97%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +121,302,864 B (04.35%) -- database(snews://SNIP
>> ¦  +-96,929,744 B (03.47%) -- database(snews://SNIP
>> ¦  +-48,629,440 B (01.74%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +-42,458,432 B (01.52%) -- database(snews://SNIP
>> ¦  +-24,473,008 B (00.88%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +-21,606,800 B (00.77%) -- database(news://SNIP
>> ¦  +-10,834,000 B (00.39%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +--5,589,824 B (00.20%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +--4,862,032 B (00.17%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +--3,337,296 B (00.12%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +--2,627,888 B (00.09%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +--1,382,832 B (00.05%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +786,896 B (00.03%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +786,128 B (00.03%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +674,128 B (00.02%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +503,184 B (00.02%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +481,776 B (00.02%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +341,904 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +240,256 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +166,416 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +164,352 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +143,680 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +103,104 B (00.00%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>> ¦  +103,104 B (00.00%) -- database(mailbox://SNIP
>> ¦  +102,976 B (00.00%) -- database(imap://SNIP
>>
>>
>> 737 MB of RAM to store the index of a single newsgroup?
>> And 692 MB for my main inbox? Something looks fishy there.
>>
>>
>>76 B ── gfx-surface-image
>>   768 B ── gfx-surface-xlib
>> 0 B ── gfx-textures
>> 0 B ── gfx-textures-peak
>> 0 B ── gfx-tiles-waste
>>   0 ── ghost-windows
>> 2,112,485,288 B ── heap-allocated
>> 1,048,576 B ── heap-chunksize
>> 2,320,498,688 B ── heap-mapped
>>   0 ── host-object-urls
>>24,929,212 B ── imagelib-surface-cache-estimated-locked
>>24,930,812 B ── imagelib-surface-cache-estimated-total
>>   0 ── imagelib-surface-cache-overflow-count
>> 5,087,232 B ── js-main-runtime-temporary-peak
>>  25,966 ── page-faults-hard
>> 386,639,447 ── page-faults-soft
>> 2,847,887,360 B ── resident
>> 3,155,869,696 B ── resident-peak
>> 2,574,921,728 B ── resident-unique
>> 0 B ── system-heap-allocated
>> 5,839,982,592 B ── vsize
>>
>>
>> 5.8 GB of VM for a few tabs open sounds completely unreasonable.
>>
>> Is there any work around other than quitting/restarting SM?
> 
> My "explicit" is 522.23 MB
> maildb is121.81 MB
> window-objects97.85 MB
> heap-unclassified 95.55 MB
> js-non-window 65.23 MB
> 
> Both of us are using Linux.

How did you figure out this was a Linux box?

> Does it help a bit if you close and reopen the News/Mail part of Seamonkey?

I will try. (AFAIR, it doesn't have any impact.)

> I also don't understand why your figures are in Bytes and mine in MB.

I was using 2.49.2 while you seem to be using 2.46
Maybe they changed the reporting format between these versions?
Wait... I get "MB" in the Windows version, which is 32-bit
while the Linux version is 64-bit. Maybe it takes different
code paths...

Also note that the "explicit" figure seems to be using a 32-bit
variable, and wraps around at 4 GiB.

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Awful memory leaks

[Mason83]

Hello,

There is, as far as I can see, a large memory leak somewhere
in the TB code:

2,790,110,536 B (100.0%) -- explicit
+--2,359,661,280 B (84.57%) -- maildb
¦  +737,522,464 B (26.43%) -- database(news://SNIP
¦  +692,232,288 B (24.81%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +222,021,472 B (07.96%) -- database(news://SNIP
¦  +180,562,496 B (06.47%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +138,690,496 B (04.97%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +121,302,864 B (04.35%) -- database(snews://SNIP
¦  +-96,929,744 B (03.47%) -- database(snews://SNIP
¦  +-48,629,440 B (01.74%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +-42,458,432 B (01.52%) -- database(snews://SNIP
¦  +-24,473,008 B (00.88%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +-21,606,800 B (00.77%) -- database(news://SNIP
¦  +-10,834,000 B (00.39%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +--5,589,824 B (00.20%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +--4,862,032 B (00.17%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +--3,337,296 B (00.12%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +--2,627,888 B (00.09%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +--1,382,832 B (00.05%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +786,896 B (00.03%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +786,128 B (00.03%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +674,128 B (00.02%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +503,184 B (00.02%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +481,776 B (00.02%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +341,904 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +240,256 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +166,416 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +164,352 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +143,680 B (00.01%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +103,104 B (00.00%) -- database(imap://SNIP
¦  +103,104 B (00.00%) -- database(mailbox://SNIP
¦  +102,976 B (00.00%) -- database(imap://SNIP


737 MB of RAM to store the index of a single newsgroup?
And 692 MB for my main inbox? Something looks fishy there.


   76 B ── gfx-surface-image
  768 B ── gfx-surface-xlib
0 B ── gfx-textures
0 B ── gfx-textures-peak
0 B ── gfx-tiles-waste
  0 ── ghost-windows
2,112,485,288 B ── heap-allocated
1,048,576 B ── heap-chunksize
2,320,498,688 B ── heap-mapped
  0 ── host-object-urls
   24,929,212 B ── imagelib-surface-cache-estimated-locked
   24,930,812 B ── imagelib-surface-cache-estimated-total
  0 ── imagelib-surface-cache-overflow-count
5,087,232 B ── js-main-runtime-temporary-peak
 25,966 ── page-faults-hard
386,639,447 ── page-faults-soft
2,847,887,360 B ── resident
3,155,869,696 B ── resident-peak
2,574,921,728 B ── resident-unique
0 B ── system-heap-allocated
5,839,982,592 B ── vsize


5.8 GB of VM for a few tabs open sounds completely unreasonable.

Is there any work around other than quitting/restarting SM?

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Re: Does "Ignore Sub-thread" function

[Mason83]

On 21/03/2018 07:27, Daniel wrote:
> HP 6730b laptop dual booting Win7 and MageiaLinux 6 x64_86. Using SM 
> 2.49.1 on the Mageia install. (Not tried on the Win7 install!!)
> 
> In one of my Usenet groups, I've marked a sub-thread to be ignored 
> (Message->Ignore Sub-thread.). So now that thread is showing as three 
> unread messages out of a total of twenty-nine messages ... but no 
> messages are showing up as unread!!
> 
> Is this because the messages are being marked as read but the message 
> count is not being decreased??
> 
> If so, can this be fixed or do I, after reading the "good" messages in 
> the thread, mark the thread as read to set the count to zero??

I'm sorry to inform you that the "Ignore Sub-thread" functionality
has been slightly broken for over a decade.

Given the state of TB dev, this is unlikely to be fixed, ever.

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Re: Video Downloaders

[Mason83]

On 18/03/2018 20:36, Chuck wrote:

> It is not free but is so versatile it is well worth the 29.99 one time 
> payment.

Meh... 30 bucks for something so trivial doesn't sound like
a good deal.

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Re: Mozilla Foundation Security Advisory 2018-08

[Mason83]

On 20/03/2018 16:21, G. Ross wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2018-08/
>> Out of bounds memory write while processing Vorbis audio data
>> ANNOUNCED
>> March 16, 2018
>> IMPACT
>> CRITICAL
>> PRODUCTS
>> Firefox, Firefox ESR
>> FIXED IN
>> Firefox 59.0.1
>> Firefox ESR 52.7.2
>>
>> Also see:
>> https://www.securityfocus.com/bid/103432
>>
>> What version of ESR is SeaMonkey 2.49.2 using?
>
> How common is vorbis audio data?

Before Opus came along, Vorbis was the best royalty-free open-source audio 
codec.
It was even better than most proprietary solutions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_%28audio_format%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis

Vorbis wrapped in OGG is used heavily on Wikipedia for most (all?) audio clips.
e.g. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Musopen_-_In_the_Hall_Of_The_Mountain_King.ogg

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Re: Extension: Download YouTube Videos

[Mason83]

On 16/03/2018 23:18, David E. Ross wrote:
> The Download YouTube Videos extension no longer seems to work.  I think
> this is a result of a change done at YouTube and not something in either
> SeaMonkey or the extension.  The Web page in addons.mozilla.org
> indicates the developer has removed the extension.

There are five bazillion extensions with similar names.

Do you mean "Download Youtube Video" by 1ClickProduct?
Or perhaps "YouTube Video and Audio Downloader" by InBasic?
Or "1-Click YouTube Video Download" by "The 1-Click YouTube Video Download 
Team"?

The problem with extensions these days is that most have
switched to WebExtensions. Older versions may no longer
work with a fast moving site such as YouTube.

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Re: Messages about Silvio Berlusconi

[Mason83]

On 12/03/2018 22:42, Arthur N. Dunning III wrote:

> To whom it may concern:
> 
> Does anybody know who's responsible for recent messages in Italian 

I would dispute the "recent" qualifier.

This italian smear campaign has been running for over a decade
by now.
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Re: Big Brother streaming

[Mason83]

>> The most recent end-user release is 2.49.1. Perhaps you should try 
>> using it.

> Thanks, David, I was thinking about it and wondering if I would be going 
> backward.  I will try going to 2.49.1.

2.49.2 should be out in a few days, though!
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Re: Expired certificates in the Builtin Object Token

[Mason83]

On 25/01/2018 13:41, Andrey Shcheglov wrote:

> I see a number of expired certificates under Builtin Object Token
> (vanilla SeaMonkey 2.46 and 2.49.1, fresh user profile):
> 
> https://habrastorage.org/webt/5d/ay/ch/5daychmswvrkawglzjk68bp7vfa.png
> 
> If I delete those, they reappear under the "Others" tab:
> 
> https://habrastorage.org/webt/xa/2q/is/xa2qisg6arve5xwmc6tmpcmwrqw.png
> 
> The certificates are expired (expiration year is 2014, below is an
> example for https://addons.mozilla.org):
> 
> https://habrastorage.org/webt/5f/ry/ox/5fryoxyqavfrl6hcibhnsbzjxuw.png
> 
> They, naturally, differ from their effective counterparts of the said
> web sites:
> 
> https://habrastorage.org/webt/rs/rq/we/rsrqwev0r-wnaujxrpacyf-s0s4.png
> 
> What's the need for those?

These are all "fake" certificates, dating back to 2011, wrongly issued
by Comodo.

https://www.wired.com/2011/03/comodo-compromise/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comodo_Group#Certificate_hacking

In SM, I think they store the fact that they should NOT be trusted.

However, since they are now expired, I'm not sure they are needed anymore;
or maybe it is to flag the use of the fake certs. Maybe a cert specialist
can explain that better :-)

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Re: Spectre exploit

[Mason83]

On 12/01/2018 22:38, Mark wrote:

> Don't the OS kernel / BIOS / CPU updates just mitigate against Meltdown, 
> preventing applications (executing in ring3) from inferring content of 
> kernel memory (in ring0)?

AFAIU, the kernel work-around for Meltdown is /not/ mapping the
kernel inside an application's virtual memory space.

BIOS and CPU updates are the same. Intel makes a microcode update,
and BIOS vendors integrate that to patch the CPU at boot.

Is there a microcode update for Meltdown? I thought they were only
mitigating Spectre.

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Re: Spectre exploit

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On 07/01/2018 23:48, Ray_Net wrote:
> Lee wrote on 07-01-18 22:44:
>> summary: The vuln. mitigation is to install noscript + request policy
>> continued or uMatrix + uBlock Origin or whatever other addon combo
>> that allows javascript from only whitelisted sites.
>>
>> On 1/7/18, Ray_Net  wrote:
>>> WaltS48 wrote on 06-01-18 18:05:
 On 1/6/18 2:36 AM, Ray_Net wrote:
> I have read:
>
> "Disable Javascript until browser company comes out with patch for
> vulnerable Javascript."
>
> So, will SM issue a patch against the Spectre exploit ?
>> Mozilla needs to come up with a patch first.  What they have now only
>> blocks the obvious timing attack methods.
>>
 SeaMonkey 2.49.1 is based on Firefox 52 ESR code, and Firefox 52 ESR
 doesn't have SharedBufferArray enabled.
 ||
 ||SharedArrayBuffer| is already disabled in Firefox 52 ESR.
 ||
 |REF: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2018-01/

>>> Would it mean that we are protected ?
>> No.
>>
>> Look at the FF advisory
>>The precision of performance.now() has been reduced from 5μs to
>> 20μs, and the SharedArrayBuffer feature has been disabled because it
>> can be used to construct a high-resolution timer.
>>
>> SeaMonkey doesn't implement the SharedArrayBuffer feature but I'm
>> guessing it's performance.now() function still has the 5μs resolution
>> and that will take a patch to fix.
>>
>> But changing the performance.now() resolution is not sufficient.  Take a 
>> look at
>> https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2018/01/03/mitigations-landing-new-class-timing-attack/
>>Furthermore, other timing sources and time-fuzzing techniques are
>> being worked on.
>>
>> Which is like saying we've locked the front door so nobody can walk
>> right in anymore but the ground floor windows are still wide open.
>>
>> Follow the "other timing sources and time-fuzzing techniques" link to
>> https://gruss.cc/files/fantastictimers.pdf
>>Abstract. Research showed that microarchitectural attacks like cache
>> attacks can be performed through websites using JavaScript. These
>> timing attacks allow an adversary to spy on users secrets such as
>> their keystrokes,leveraging fine-grained timers. However, the W3C and
>> browser vendors responded to this significant threat by eliminating
>> fine-grained timers from JavaScript. This renders previous
>> high-resolution microarchitectural attacks non-applicable.
>>
>>>>We demonstrate the inefficacy of this mitigation<< by finding and
>> evaluating a wide range of new sources of timing information. We
>> develop measurement methods that exceed the resolution of official
>> timing sources by to orders of magnitude on all major browsers, and
>> even more on Tor browser. Our timing measurements do not only
>> re-enable previous attacks to their full extent but also allow
>> implementing new attacks. We demonstrate a new DRAM-based covert
>> channel between a website and an unprivileged app in a virtual machine
>> without network hardware. Our results emphasize that quick-fix
>> mitigations can establish a dangerous false sense of security.
>>
>>
>> In short, performance.now() and SharedBufferArray are the easy/obvious
>> ways to get a high resolution timer in javascript but they're not the
>> only possible methods.
>>
>> So... what to do?  The exploit mitigation is to install noscript +
>> request policy continued or uMatrix + uBlock Origin or whatever other
>> addon combo that allows javascript from only whitelisted sites.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lee
> For "Request Policy" we have for all versions:
> This add-on is not compatible with your version of SeaMonkey.
> 
> For "NoScript Security Suite" we have:
> Only with FireFox.

NoScript >10.x will only work with FF >= 57 (because that version
is a webextension, not XUL add-on).

With SM 2.49 (FF 52) install NoScript 5.1.8.3
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/806790/noscript_security_suite-5.1.8.3-fx+sm.xpi?src=version-history
(It says "fx+sm", I think that's FF and SM)

AFAICT, the latest RequestPolicy extension should work...
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/223479/requestpolicy-0.5.28-sm+fx.xpi?src=version-history
(In fact, there is no WebExtension version, so no FF 57 support)

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Re: Downloading message body with SMTP

[Mason83]

On 12/12/2017 23:17, Harsha Godavari wrote:
> I wanted to download all the messages from the inbox of my ISP's
> server. There are a couple of thousand there. I use SMTP  for my
> mail. How can I download the entire message (s) not just the headers?
> My browser is Seamonkey 2.40 and  OS is Win 7 (32 bit).  Thanks for
> your help.

SMTP is for sending messages.

Reception is handled via POP3 or IMAP.

POP3 downloads everything. IMAP synchronizes with the server.

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Re: Two problems for the price of one

[Mason83]

On 09/12/2017 12:11, Daniel wrote:
> Daniel wrote:
>> Mason83 wrote:
>>> On 08/12/2017 06:31, Daniel wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2.    On my UseNet server (news.eternal-september.org), a lot of the
>>>> threads are disjointed, i.e. what was a thread of, say, fifteen posts
>>>> might now be showing as several disconnected threads. So, rather than
>>>> marking one thread of 50 posts as read, I might have twenty threads each
>>>> of two or three posts. How can I fix this?? Delete some index file and
>>>> re-create it?? Whatever??
>>>
>>> Do you have filters that DELETE messages?
>>
>> No, "Mark as Read" and "Ignore Thread" only.
>>>
>>> Yes, deleting the index will make SM download all the headers
>>> again, including those that might be missing.
>>>
>>> Close SM. Navigate to your Profile in the Explorer.
>>> Go to News/news.eternal-september.org
>>> Delete (or rename to .bak) the *.msf for the NG you want to fix.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>> Thank you, Mason, for confirming what I suspected. I'll give it a go, 
>> tomorrow, if I can find a spare five minutes.
>>
> I was feeling adventurous, so located my Profile, completely closed 
> SeaMonkey, located the news.eternal-september-1.org.msf, renamed it to 
> news.eternal-september-1.org.old.msf and re-started SeaMonkey.
> 
> No change, still got lots of (large) threads now showing as lots of 
> (small) threads.
> 
> Oh, well!!

Some years ago, I remember that SM/TB collected all messages
with the same subject into one single thread.

Maybe there's a pref for that...

mail.strict_threading = false looks promising.

See also mail.correct_threading and mail.thread_without_re

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Re: Two problems for the price of one

[Mason83]

On 08/12/2017 06:31, Daniel wrote:

> 2.On my UseNet server (news.eternal-september.org), a lot of the 
> threads are disjointed, i.e. what was a thread of, say, fifteen posts 
> might now be showing as several disconnected threads. So, rather than 
> marking one thread of 50 posts as read, I might have twenty threads each 
> of two or three posts. How can I fix this?? Delete some index file and 
> re-create it?? Whatever??

Do you have filters that DELETE messages?

Yes, deleting the index will make SM download all the headers
again, including those that might be missing.

Close SM. Navigate to your Profile in the Explorer.
Go to News/news.eternal-september.org
Delete (or rename to .bak) the *.msf for the NG you want to fix.

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Re: dailymotion

[Mason83]

On 23/11/2017 22:35, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> cyberzen wrote:
>> hello
>>
>> when I want to see a video in dailymotion, I can hear the sound, but the 
>> image remains black
>> no problem with firefox
>>
>> http://
> 
> 
> Stupid useragent string sniffing.
> 
> 1) Enter url:
> about:config
> 
> 2) Search for
> general.useragent.override
> 
> 2a) If does not exists then create string value key
> 
> 3) set key to:
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:57.0) Gecko/20100101 
> Firefox/57.0
> 
> 4) Go to video on www.dailymotion.com in new tab or window
> 
> 5) Watch video play.
> 
> 6a) Complain to web developers of site
> 
> 6b) Consider never going back to their site
> 
> 6c) Or install useragent switcher entension
> 
> 6d) Use Firefox when going to www.dailymotion.com

You are right!

I know one person working at DM, let's see if they can do
anything about that :-)

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Re: dailymotion

[Mason83]

On 23/11/2017 22:08, cyberzen wrote:
> hello
> 
> when I want to see a video in dailymotion, I can hear the sound, but the 
> image remains black
> no problem with firefox
> 
> http://www.dailymotion.com

I too have lots of problems with dailymotion.

Do they use HTML5 like Youtube?

Even with the Flash player set to Always Activate,
it doesn't work all the time.

I get the same as you: audio and no black video.

Error Console contains:

Timestamp: 23/11/2017 22:26:43
Error: TypeError: NetworkError when attempting to fetch resource.

Timestamp: 23/11/2017 22:26:47
Error: TypeError: NetworkError when attempting to fetch resource.

Timestamp: 23/11/2017 22:26:48
Error: about:blank : Unable to run script because scripts are blocked 
internally.

If I disable Flash, I also see this error:

Timestamp: 23/11/2017 22:30:50
Error: uncaught exception: NoScript aborted redirection to 
https://ads.stickyadstv.com/cookie-forwarding?id=9=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymotion.com%2Fcdn%2Fmanifest%2Fvideo%2Fxr92e1.m3u8%3Fauth%3D1511645450-2562-2hhrfciq-1dba2c38ca00d0f279e8aa49fcf2a881X7BCbHXA-s6qboTIEhAzZ8vK0HxBCP-kQLGAFmh6qFoHHeMAQVSiqV_prLfmJjOBegFD-sZyD_pXeDkL3doeVJM67zJyQZUVtJYlQ6U1GuRXrBfbm0_ZKSVsEIRsCKfNNUHa92-d8w3SmoQPZ7L1bW_gnuSQgzge_WAbegruGk7XF-L34_GpxqUNj5kdwNFRsFBjSGOD4jF44cQZwx52HoflGzLznp4Mp53ltm6WdBXDUq53UQ1lA94adATJjNaevXX5_exMIaG7Zor8ht6g4H8qoSgHWZ4A7RLGfMHzqWFOuh4ENEjOx1RbCtGC5QD8945sQ75YbIy011ybcwTPVmESZZt-lqPxIhfHF6ZmE29Dvmfuqppf2CMc9x93U6sEh3Dr6NhAv5mAvgqsB-9LmRoU6FJng81Lj88PbCreBKhB1crSTLSpcVfqYLg8VFnR6s2jz6Chn4g17_2d9XTzBJpI4bdyi7DliR7eWCPgosn5z9l5Yyn47KNjUAhFIKn_Lv4sSMqPqZW9kUfMWYzrVTgiQozMgxVXHUKND03rbqoVNjFBE4pIXt0j4ugGelL2XSeyOoIISvwjl7XclvFgPPIuCftdodQvfzdBnkpp6VQNyLbnKk6YS46XP-s-BVhoTVUM9XAXLi6OwObE9lyCEw9zdB6DMBAr5H7oj_aYpb-_gSDqCpl8x7pCBhdOeaK8T6kmtku78MtlFtxEiljP08QlQpQxmPH
 
mbzu9YzQz0XUvsJeB0gWRV2ZKhaPXfZWvBTT0wUTBMRq3RkobvRI3SqK14-QLmcvOiB7HwWMFgAEywU3pSQpetSjwnjL1CqPH2hp2Y9cW7wBD-K4GUt0_0cDYIT1WBByrS-A4F63s1soOQB5IvqAiw9BETEhGfb-GQF1lMjUsMwyyzOFpBMzdwdtl6vNXhBa8tHI_va85V7udX2H6wmlAyMkwEd_jxkmGth197xB4g3QKf09kKawx3hq5w8BMzmXL10s8ef9QUeEEmuNHRKpurL3gpcmf7dg1IIeIr9faH1LvtXZHnIMWYCeuC2WSQP1bW46jyZl0vm3OWedypfkJntQvPavE0q2Z6aj4eJK8HSRz9ZtuMzypKYO7nqgB-hKr14HnXGiKDKEfnPXrRCzDyCynMGt5UU2fhiiRx3zY3GSuHtKxHVmFq8qCll5YlV3hddz6EeLlMx6IfURxyLfXG3s2WPU0uuiVEbuT7htFe68_hbfqYMXq221rUwAC0Q0ZvS0Gx1B5Pv8J5aUae5s4j_ZID5tCJXvE4eR_s_1ynVYuTAkUIjC4A6xIED00CFmF1W9mFswlwOBf_htJE56wuZl6w3YKxeFOl1SIvD5AXgMpYCZpzOw6EErnngMVHGdPy3D6gq97FwrpfQ3KEeT8dzN9NbAgBnx9oCUOM6bNtMHvhnhY7D4XJLO6MgnRm0mKH8ulDwJ3kX-b8FjIaQdq0unqLDVNOM2gCnB61xXYTzQlIlwmUyjO-15x2cuL-WeGiHdfCIRKEmicJ1GgGyP6fJcSFwrOcSB4dh5zLYMTlyuKtGPOVXdWHpMjH0vYKcbHrnNHJRoNlC0mqs-gEb91x-WyfniQCmpLwZnBoXoV8GTB5SVYwO_C89DxJf3AQxB4OAQpTL7whidwsRQbOUIuv1-7KT0BM9rJ0eBLG1udRCTE1-3SkcjGARWoAh9wvGCFZRi_tyh2v5CdYgCv26pHHB91ed-1
 
Dum0ugsvKt_1NXUto_3k3eHYq96ILbs7nbkmO085Np1pL49WE6X5Ui-oILYMvoVlfZRG4grIqOQvAQnGfGL4GiUioZKexXXFJHwo9gxMjKBUrmcGrEPn5Vq_8VnjK3foyAo3-qyauFofI0b95L8hrF8EQYJ0RfG7PGSY4acS4gDNDaHKC4OqXOkghLLOBkCWbm605Anvbj2TamBUxWA5uCxALJA9OA7hl4nQdDuakX-fJxJlQuJ0zsK0o-iLLQPUd0xhZwqXG4UOyEq5vIjnU2y-zlTAcWLx1W-StwBn9cwxrHpI%26callback%3Djsonp_1511472650713_84376%26cs%3Dsatv-c2s_[CSDATA]


So it looks like NoScript might be breaking DM?

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Re: Security Vulnerability

[Mason83]

On 03/11/2017 16:26, Richmond wrote:
> How do I tell if, for example, CVE-2017-7810 has been addressed in
> Seamonkey? I see it is fixed in Firefox ESR 52.4. So if I recompile will
> it be in Seamonkey comm-esr52?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2017-22/#CVE-2017-7810

Mozilla developers and community members Christoph Diehl, Jan de Mooij, Jason 
Kratzer, Randell Jesup, Tom Ritter, Tyson Smith, and Sebastian Hengst reported 
memory safety bugs present in Firefox 55 and Firefox ESR 52.3. Some of these 
bugs showed evidence of memory corruption and we presume that with enough 
effort that some of these could be exploited to run arbitrary code.

References:
Memory safety bugs fixed in Firefox 56 and Firefox ESR 52.4
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=1386787%2C1389974%2C1371657%2C1360334%2C1390550%2C1380824%2C1387918%2C1395598

NONE of these bugs are public, despite the CVE entry being created
over 6 months ago, and the fix being announced a month ago.

I don't know who's running the show at moz org, but someone
needs to give them a good kick in the bottom, if you ask me.

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Re: 64-bit Seamonkey

[Mason83]

On 22/10/2017 09:52, Saul wrote:
> https://www.m64.info/index.php/seamonkey-64-bit-download is an abandoned 
> site, not serious development, in the last 4 months only 3 bad alphas, 
> I'm using 2.53a1 now, 2.54a1 and 2.55a1 are even worse and my bookmarks 
> can't be read by the stable 2.51, so I'll change to 32-bit version 
> somehow if I can't find a 64-bit version, anyone know about an up to 
> date 64-bit version?

Hmmm, using post-2.49 releases (i.e. non ESR-based) seems slightly
"risky" to me (these releases don't get a lot of testing AFAIU).

akalla used to build a Win64 installer.

It seems like ewong plans to make one available as a contrib build?
https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2017/08/02/contributed-win64-builds/

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Re: Compact

[Mason83]

On 18/10/2017 22:30, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

> Mason83 wrote:
> 
>> On 18/10/2017 20:30, MonkeyAround wrote:
>>
>>> 2) is it possible to transfer to a different PC so i do not have to
>>> download all of them again ?
>>
>> I think so. Copying the appropriate msf file should do the trick.
> 
> Are you sure? I thought the msf file was just an index file, with no 
> content. For example, in your mail folders, "Inbox" has the content and 
> "Inbox.msf" is the corresponding index file. So I would expect you to 
> have to copy both to the target PC.

I was wrong and you're right, as Chris points out.
The msf file contains headers and formatting information.
The extension-less file contains the actual bodies for a NG.

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Re: Cannot send emails from one of two email addresses

[Mason83]

On 18/10/2017 21:26, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I have two email accounts with my ISP.
> I can receive mail on both accounts.
> My profile folder had been deleted and I am working from an old backup.
> 
> The error message is:
> "An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded:  From 
> address must match authenticated address.  Please verify that your email 
> address is correct in your Mail preferences and try again."
> 
> Is there some way to locally capture outgoing messages from both 
> accounts for comparison purposes?
> 
> Is there a way to print out all the settings for each account?

Your two accounts are probably using the same SMTP settings.

Edit > Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings...
Bottom option = Outgoing Server (SMTP)
Create the other setting, then make the account point to the
new setting.

Might be uselful:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/MailNews:Logging
https://www.lifewire.com/pop-imap-smtp-traffic-thunderbird-1173156

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Re: Compact

[Mason83]

On 18/10/2017 20:30, MonkeyAround wrote:

> Certain newsgroups I like to use off-line and keep around forever.
> 
> 1) how do i verify that they are really on my PC ?

File > Offline > Download/Sync Now...

> 2) is it possible to transfer to a different PC so i do not have to 
> download all of them again ?

I think so. Copying the appropriate msf file should do the trick.

> 3) how do I compact those files ?

I'm not sure one compacts Newsgroup folders.

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Re: Do I Need Sessionstore?

[Mason83]

On 14/10/2017 20:19, Larry S. wrote:
> Mason83 wrote:
>> On 13/10/2017 21:00, Larry S. wrote:
>>> My profile contains 14 versions of the file "sessionstore", numbered 1
>>> thru 14, plus two called sessionstore.json and sessionstore.bak.
>>>
>>> Do I need all these? Any? Can I delete some? All? What are they?
>>
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/about-sessionstore/
>>
>> Quoting that page:
>>> Firefox writes the sessionstore.js file to disk every 15 seconds, to
>>> be able to restore tabs after a crash or restart. Certain sites can
>>> make the sessionstore.js file grow very large leading to poor
>>> performance, this addon can help identify which tabs store unusually
>>> large amounts of data (form data, DOM sessionStorage, or many
>>> subframes/history states).
>>
>>
>> See also:
>> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1057949
>>
>> Regards.
>>
> Thank you, Mason, for your insights. Your reply helps me understand the 
> purpose of the file, but it doesn't fully address my concerns. I don't 
> seem to have a "Sessionstore.js" as your reference discussed (but do 
> have a json in many versions).

Yes, the format of the file was changed at some point.
Hence .js => .json

> In addition to the json and bak (alone) versions, I have fourteen json 
> versions numbered 1 through 14, with dates stretching back almost six 
> years. It's those I still wonder about.

Here's my suggestion.

Close SM. Move all the sessionstore files to a temp directory
somewhere out of the way. Start SM. Confirm everything is
working as usual. You can keep the backups around for a few
days, then you can delete them.

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Re: Do I Need Sessionstore?

[Mason83]

On 13/10/2017 21:00, Larry S. wrote:
> My profile contains 14 versions of the file "sessionstore", numbered 1 
> thru 14, plus two called sessionstore.json and sessionstore.bak.
> 
> Do I need all these? Any? Can I delete some? All? What are they?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/about-sessionstore/

Quoting that page:
> Firefox writes the sessionstore.js file to disk every 15 seconds, to
> be able to restore tabs after a crash or restart. Certain sites can
> make the sessionstore.js file grow very large leading to poor
> performance, this addon can help identify which tabs store unusually
> large amounts of data (form data, DOM sessionStorage, or many
> subframes/history states).


See also:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1057949

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Re: router login - error 401, unauthorized

[Mason83]

On 10/10/2017 08:38, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

> You can update Adrians build to the official candidate 3:
> 
> https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/2.49.1-candidates/build3/
> 
> Should behave way better than the May build I hope :)

No Win64 build?

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Re: Search For

[Mason83]

On 13/10/2017 15:16, meagain wrote:
> Selecting a word or phrase and right click on "search for" is a great 
> feature.
> 
> How do I change the search site?

Edit > Preferences > Browser menu > Internet Search
"Search Using" dropdown box
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Re: SeaMonkey not recognizing existing profiles

[Mason83]

On 12/10/2017 01:48, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 10/11/2017 2:24 PM, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
>> I have a server that had a problem with a share. I think I have fixed 
>> that but my users cannot access their existing SeaMonkey Profiles. They 
>> are located on a a SAMBA [homes] share on an Ubuntu 16.04 LTS server in 
>> a directory called ~/.seamonkey.
>>
>> In the past I have been able to conned to theses existing profiles by 
>> logging into the Profile Manager and simply pointing to the existing 
>> SeaMonkey profile.
>>
>> However when I do this on on this server now I get a SeaMonkey opening 
>> page and SeaMonkey does not recognize the existing email configuration.
>>
> 
> Locate the file named profiles.ini.  Each user needs to have a copy of
> this file locally.  For Windows 7, it is always in
> [C:\Users\xxx\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey], where "xxx" is the
> user name of the Windows account.  SeaMonkey looks for this file LOCALLY
> to determine what profiles exist and where the profiles are located.

David,

Ubuntu is a Linux distribution, i.e. not Windows.

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Re: router login - error 401, unauthorized

[Mason83]

On 10/10/2017 08:38, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

> You can update Adrians build to the official candidate 3:
> 
> https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/candidates/2.49.1-candidates/build3/
> 
> Should behave way better than the May build I hope :)
> 
> .1 because Adrian built 2.49 from the comm-release branch and we wanted 
> to distinguish it from this one. All 2.49.1 ones are build from the 
> esr52 branch.

I'm confused. Adrian's build shows up as
SeaMonkey version 2.49.1
You are currently on the esr update channel.
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1

So using .1 does not distinguish the official build from
Adrian's ESR-based builds.

> 2.49.1 is at current esr52.4 level. The next release will 
> be .2 Hopefully when 52.5 arrives but depends on how long it takes to 
> bake a release and how much time ewong has. In any case there will be a 
> .2 at a future 52.x esr level.

Thanks for that info.

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Re: router login - error 401, unauthorized

[Mason83]

On 08/10/2017 18:44, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

> Likely point 3 in the known issues in the 2.48 release notes:
> 
> https://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.48/
> 
> Fix will be in 2.49.1.
> 
> Maybe we should just drop the release notes and tell everyone to open a 
> lenghty thread in one of the support groups if he7she/it runs into a known 
> problem :)

FWIW, the problem still existed in 2.49.1 from 20170528045907
Which is expected since you FIXED the bug in August...

What does the .1 mean? When will it increase to .2?

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Re: Official 2.49.x

[Mason83]

On 06/10/2017 21:33, Lee wrote:
> On 10/6/17, Mason83 <root@dom.invalid> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> So... I've been using an unofficial release Adrian built
>> several months ago. The "fine" moz crew seems to have
>> kicked Adrian (and everyone else) off the l10n server,
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1383642
> comment 12: ... Are there backups of the data
> comment 14: ... there's no backup but also no backup needed.

I don't mind reinstalling from an installer. Has Adrian
published anything anywhere? Or did he give up when the
l10n server went AWOL?

TL;DR is anyone pushing unofficial builds anymore?

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Official 2.49.x

[Mason83]

Hello,

So... I've been using an unofficial release Adrian built
several months ago. The "fine" moz crew seems to have
kicked Adrian (and everyone else) off the l10n server,
and I haven't been able to update my version of SM.

When is the official 2.49.1 release expected?
https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2017-10-01#2.49.1_planned_next_release
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1346939

Looks like we're getting close?
Erf, an Apple bug is blocking the release?
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1406250

Crossing my fingers.

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Re: Memory Leak? Sluggish SM.

[Mason83]

On 17/09/2017 15:31, Hawker wrote:
> SM 2.48 (but had same issue 2.46) Win 7 64.
> 
> I notice a fresh open of SM takes about 220MB.  After using it a few 
> hours it eventually gets up to just under 3GB with light use (a few tabs 
> open, not much) and get very unresponsive and sluggish. If I close all 
> tabs to just a blank page memory goes down to around 2.5GB but never 
> below. If I close and re-open SM or force close and re-open letting SM 
> re-open all tabs as was all is good again.
> 
> I'm assuming this is some sort of memory leak. Any ideas? Are others 
> having this issue? I am using a few basic add ons, but nothing really 
> strange or fancy

Have a look at about:memory
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Re: Thread Errantly Shows Unread Posts

[Mason83]

On 16/09/2017 20:13, rickman wrote:
> I have a thread in a newsgroup that shows the underline indicating there are 
> unread messages in that thread.  But when I open the thread there are none. 
> All messages in that thread are marked as read.  I close the thread and the 
> underline is still there.
> 
> I've tried enabling view-threads-all, -unread, ignored threads, etc and no 
> unread messages show up.
> 
> Any ideas?

Do you use "Ignore subthread" functionality?

There is a known bug, where threads with ignored subthreads
will show as "unread" although all messages have been read.
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Re: Chase problems - again

[Mason83]

On 14/09/2017 15:40, Desiree wrote:
> On 9/14/2017 1:03 AM, Mason83 wrote:
>> On 14/09/2017 12:18, Desiree wrote:
>>> Sigh.  I can't login to Chase Online using  SeaMonkey 2.48.  So, I used
>>> User Agent Switcher and faked Fx 47 (Win 10) as the user agent.  That
>>> got me further but only to the screen where Chase says it doesn't
>>> recognize the user's computer and you have to request a temporary ID
>>> code.  I did that but Chase just flipped me to the main Chase page
>>> asking for login again.
>>>
>>> Does anything work currently with Chase Online login and SeaMonkey?  Is
>>> there a better user agent than the one I tried?
>>
>> Maybe you can try with an actual FF account.
>> If that works, try spoofing the same UA in SM?
>
> I spent over an hour last night with Chase (three different agents 
> purported to be from Chase's online support) and they were of no help 
> with Firefox (I have Fx 45.9 ESR and Chase accepts Fx from ver 37 up) 
> and no help with Pale Moon or SeaMonkey.

Does the site work or not with FF 45 ESR?
BTW, you should probably try with FF 52 ESR
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Re: Youtube videos don't work any more

[Mason83]

OK, so if your real profile is still not working
(maybe it was a transient error) then the issue would be
1) from a plug-in
2) from an add-on
3) from a specific config option (some get set to default values in safe mode)

Identifying which is the hard part, unfortunately...

Regards.

On 14/09/2017 11:44, Klaus Weber wrote:
> Thank you! Safe mode works.
> 
> Mason83 schrieb:
>> On 13/09/2017 15:12, Klaus Weber wrote:
>>
>>> SM 2.48 Windows 10, 64 bit
>>>
>>> Since a few days I cannot play youtube videos any more on SM. Firefox
>>> and Chrome are fine. 2 plug-ins about html5 are installed on SM. Any idea?
>> First try safe mode, then try with a fresh profile.
>>
>> Does one of these work?
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Re: Chase problems - again

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On 14/09/2017 12:18, Desiree wrote:
> Sigh.  I can't login to Chase Online using  SeaMonkey 2.48.  So, I used 
> User Agent Switcher and faked Fx 47 (Win 10) as the user agent.  That 
> got me further but only to the screen where Chase says it doesn't 
> recognize the user's computer and you have to request a temporary ID 
> code.  I did that but Chase just flipped me to the main Chase page 
> asking for login again.
> 
> Does anything work currently with Chase Online login and SeaMonkey?  Is 
> there a better user agent than the one I tried?

Maybe you can try with an actual FF account.
If that works, try spoofing the same UA in SM?

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Re: Youtube videos don't work any more

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On 13/09/2017 15:12, Klaus Weber wrote:

> SM 2.48 Windows 10, 64 bit
> 
> Since a few days I cannot play youtube videos any more on SM. Firefox 
> and Chrome are fine. 2 plug-ins about html5 are installed on SM. Any idea?

First try safe mode, then try with a fresh profile.

Does one of these work?
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Re: Backup of add-on

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On 07/09/2017 23:54, Mason83 wrote:

> I installed an add-on a few months back.
> 
> Since then, the author has pulled the add-on from AMO.
> 
> I didn't make a backup of the XPI, but the add-on is
> installed on my system. Is the XPI stored somewhere?
> 
> Yes! Of course, it must be in one of Windows' Temp
> directory that stores stuff forever. Found it! :-)
> 
> Thanks for walking me through it ;-)

And apparently, extensions are also stored as-is
in Profiles/salt/extensions

So it's all good.

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Backup of add-on

[Mason83]

Hello,

I installed an add-on a few months back.

Since then, the author has pulled the add-on from AMO.

I didn't make a backup of the XPI, but the add-on is
installed on my system. Is the XPI stored somewhere?

Yes! Of course, it must be in one of Windows' Temp
directory that stores stuff forever. Found it! :-)

Thanks for walking me through it ;-)

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Re: Browser not known on a website

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On 01/09/2017 19:47, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

> Mason83 wrote:
> 
>> On 01/09/2017 10:15, Yamo' wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On dailymotion (french alternative to youtube), I can see the
>>> videos if only I change the userAgent to a Firefox user agent.
>>>
>>> Exemple vidéo : <http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5yt7bl#>
>>>
>>> Do you have the same bug?
>>>
>>> I have Seamonkey 2.48 on Linux 64Bits.
>>
>> I haven't been able to use Dailymotion for several months. I'm pretty
>> sure they converted the site to HTML5 video, but for me it seems to
>> try to fall back to Flash, which is disabled...
> 
> I tried disabling both Shockwave Flash ("flash") and Shockwave for 
> Director ("shockwave"), and the videos played fine anyway. I even tried 
> disabling the VLC plugin, and the videos played fine anyway.

Update: I can watch DM if I activate Flash, but HTML5 just
doesn't work for me.

My profile is pretty old and deviates a lot from the default,
so I probably have a setting or 12 that upset the HTML5 dance.

Dunno if it's worth investigating... all I've ever watched
on Dailymotion is the uncensored version of Blurred Lines
with Emily Ratajkowski strolling topless...

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Re: Browser not known on a website

[Mason83]

On 01/09/2017 10:15, Yamo' wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On dailymotion (french alternative to youtube), I can see the videos if
> only I change the userAgent to a Firefox user agent.
> 
> Exemple vidéo : 
> 
> Do you have the same bug?
> 
> I have Seamonkey 2.48 on Linux 64Bits.

I haven't been able to use Dailymotion for several months.
I'm pretty sure they converted the site to HTML5 video,
but for me it seems to try to fall back to Flash, which
is disabled...

Trying to load a random video, I get these errors on the console:

Timestamp: 01/09/2017 19:32:18
Error: Error: Mediametrie script failed to load
Source File: https://static1.dmcdn.net/neon/prod/desktop.37c48a206767db0a5d42.js
Line: 1

Timestamp: 01/09/2017 19:32:19
Error: Error: Mediametrie script failed to load
Source File: https://static1.dmcdn.net/neon/prod/desktop.37c48a206767db0a5d42.js
Line: 1

Timestamp: 01/09/2017 19:32:27
Error: TypeError: NetworkError when attempting to fetch resource.

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Re: moderation

[Mason83]

On 28/08/2017 04:34, Edmund Wong wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Was reading mozilla.support.seamonkey and thought to myself,
> "geez.. there's certainly a lot of spam..  where's the moderation.."
> 
> That's when my internal voice trailed off and said... 'oh'.
> 
> So this is a heads-up.  If you see an influx of old messages  you
> can blame it on me.  (or the rain, if you wish. :) )
> 
> To those affected by this, my humblest apologies.

Are you saying that legitimate messages were queued up
for moderation? I imagine there is a white-list for
already-seen posters though, right?

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[Mason83]

On 27/08/2017 19:00, null wrote:
> Mason83 wrote:
>> On 27/08/2017 17:26, null wrote:
>>
>>> So you got that test video I referenced to play before it was removed by
>>> the user, so you were able to get that info from the stats for geeks,
>>> right?
>> Correct.
>>
>>> In my case, that video, and others that won't play DO show some
>>> geek info, but the line labelled "Mime type" shows no data.
>>> The videos that DO play DO show that kind of data.
>> Can you play this old video:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HtMHmyKZa0
>>
>> It's video/mp4; codecs="avc1.4d401e" like the one you posted.
>
> Yes, I can play it, but the "Info for nerds" says "Mime type : video 
> webm  codecs='vp8.0 vorbis".
> 
> Now why would that differ from what you get, I wonder. One possibility 
> is that the Youtube error page seems to hint, although without making it 
> explicitly clear, that Youtube may provide the video in one of several 
> ways depending on what the viewer has available at their end. Do you 
> think that this accounts for the different in the details that we each get?

Interesting. It does make sense that Youtube is able
to provide alternative streams for different platforms,
based on their capability... But I had assumed that
these old NBA videos had never been converted to WebM.
Guess I was wrong.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/225685/YouTube_Swiftly_Converts_Videos_in_WebM_Format.html
https://youtube.googleblog.com/2011/04/mmm-mmm-good-youtube-videos-now-served.html

I tried looking for old videos with few hits, maybe these
have not been converted yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5JPITBuJjk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEvz394GWD4

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[Mason83]

On 27/08/2017 17:26, null wrote:

> So you got that test video I referenced to play before it was removed by 
> the user, so you were able to get that info from the stats for geeks, 
> right?

Correct.

> In my case, that video, and others that won't play DO show some
> geek info, but the line labelled "Mime type" shows no data.
> The videos that DO play DO show that kind of data.

Can you play this old video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HtMHmyKZa0

It's video/mp4; codecs="avc1.4d401e" like the one you posted.

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[Mason83]

On 26/08/2017 17:08, Chris Ilias wrote:

> The following also applies to SeaMonkey:
> 
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Supported_media_formats
>
> "[10] To avoid patent issues, support for MPEG 4, H.264 and MP3 is not 
> built directly into Firefox. Instead it relies on support from the OS or 
> hardware (the hardware also needs to be able to support the profile used 
> to encode the video, in the case of MP4). Firefox supports these formats 
> on the following platforms: Windows Vista+ since Firefox 22.0, Android 
> since Firefox 20.0, Firefox OS since Firefox 15.0, Linux since Firefox 
> 26.0 (relies on GStreamer codecs) and OS X 10.7 since Firefox 35.0."

How does the Cisco OpenH264 plug-in factor in?

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/open-h264-plugin-firefox
https://github.com/cisco/openh264/

Looks like OpenH264 was initially used only for WebRTC,
but later also for other web contents?

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[Mason83]

On 26/08/2017 16:24, null wrote:

> Mason83 wrote:
>
>> That's an MP4 container with H.264-encoded video.
>> They don't specify the audio codec, I'll bet AAC.
>
> That "test" video at the above link has unfortunately been removed by 
> the user.
> 
> When you right click on the settings button on the Youtube window, you 
> get an option for geeks which when selected gives info about the video. 
> However, it doesn't seem to give the sort of info you cite above. Where 
> did you get that from?

Yeah, it was in the stats for geeks.

Mime Type: video/mp4; codecs="avc1.4d401e"

mp4 means an MPEG-4 Part 14 container.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_14

avc1.4d401e means H.264 Main Profile Level 3
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16363167/html5-video-tag-codecs-attribute

Have a look at that page, it seems pretty nifty.
http://www.leanbackplayer.com/test/h5mt.html

I wonder what kind of sniffing it performs.

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Re: SeaMonkey and OpenH264

[Mason83]

On 26/08/2017 09:01, Jonathan Wilson wrote:

> Some time ago Cisco released a H.264 implementation called OpenH264 in 
> source and binary form for download from a Cisco server. As part of this 
> Cisco pays full H.264 patent royalties for this plugin. Firefox contains 
> something to download OpenH264 from the Cisco server (meaning Firefox can 
> then have H.264 support without any patent issues)
> 
> Does SeaMonkey also use this code to download OpenH264 and get H.264 
> support that way? Is this something that is planned? Is there a reason 
> SeaMonkey cant do what FireFox does?
> 
> Is the Firefox OpenH264 support even used for HTML5 video or is it only 
> being used for WebRTC and online video chat things?

Hmmm... Let's see.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1047159

Do you have a media.peerconnection.video.h264 knob?
I don't, but I do see media.peerconnection.video.h264_enabled
mine defaults to false. Perhaps try toggling it and
restart SM?

I have media.peerconnection.enabled to false though.

Hmmm, media.peerconnection screams "WebRTC".

I'm wondering, like you, if the Cisco plug-in is used
at all outside WebRTC...

This seems to imply the plug-in is useful for Youtube:
https://github.com/cisco/openh264/issues/2835

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[Mason83]

On 26/08/2017 08:14, null wrote:

> Anyway, thanks to the stuff on your links, I now get the general idea 
> that "an HTML5. video player" refers to software that resides on _the 
> server_, and uses HTML5 rather than flash or webM to do . . . well . . . 
> whatever it does that results in my browser getting a data feed that it 
> can display on my screen as a video.

Not quite. Javascript runs on the client (your browser).
And the video stream (typically a WebM or MP4 container)
is "decapsulated" on the host, and the compressed audio
and video streams are decompressed and sent to the
audio layer and frame buffer of the host.

There is no HTML5 vs WebM. HTML5 video specifies a standard
way to ... interact with a video stream (typically in a
container, but elementary streams might be supported).

> I've noticed that my problem playing some Youtube videos seems to 
> frequently arise with current affairs videos. Just now went to Youtube 
> and found the following, which will not play and gives the error message 
> discussed earlier in this thread. And with JavaScript turned off, I 
> don't even get the error message, just a blank, black window.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfImP6jr28g

That's an MP4 container with H.264-encoded video.
They don't specify the audio codec, I'll bet AAC.

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Re: There's a "video war" going on, and we users are the victims

[Mason83]

On 22/08/2017 13:17, null wrote:

> There seems to be a kind of war going on between the proponents of Adobe 
> Flash, something open source called Webm, and the HTML5 player.

Flash is on the way out (December 2020).
https://www.ghacks.net/2017/07/25/adobe-retires-flash-in-december-2020/

Webm is a video format using only free audio/video codecs
(On2 VP8, Vorbis, Opus)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebM

HTML5 is a family of technologies, one of which is the video element.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video

In particular, you'll want to read carefully
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#Free_formats

The problem is patents, and companies owning these
patents. Specifically H.264 and MPEG-LA.
(Although Cisco did provide a royalty-free H.264
decoder, if I am not mistaken...)
https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/10/30/video-interoperability-on-the-web-gets-a-boost-from-ciscos-h-264-codec/

AV1 will set us all free!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOMedia_Video_1
Alliance for Open Media Video 1

> Increasingly videos from this or that source will not play in either SM 
> or FF.
> 
> For instance, recent videos posted to Youtube increasingly will not play 
> in SM 2.46.

Please provide an URL (or several) of such videos.
I'm willing to bet that they work on most SM setups.

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Re: Can't block autoplay in SM 2.48

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On 21/08/2017 07:58, Big Jim wrote:
> On 8/20/2017 4:45 PM, Mason83 wrote:
>> On 13/08/2017 22:04, Big Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Since upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.48, AOL video's always autoplay.  This
>>> was previously blocked in older SM versions.
>>>
>>> My config settings are:
>>>
>>> media.autoplay.enableduser set  false
>>> media.block-autoplay-until-in-foreground  default   false
>>>
>>> I have tried toggling the second setting both ways and it makes no
>>> difference.
>>
>> Could you provide an URL for testing purposes?
>
> Go to aol.com and select any news article.  For me the headline video 
> plays automatically every time.

OMG... So many sources of Javascript bloatware.

I had to white-list a dozen domains. Sheesh.

If I load one of the video pages, I get a spinning
blue circle, and no video. Hitting "unpause" doesn't
start the video.

But moving the position cursor, and only then hitting
"unpause" plays the video.

I'm afraid my setup is too different from yours to be
of any relevance. So it's just a random data point.

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Re: Can't block autoplay in SM 2.48

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On 13/08/2017 22:04, Big Jim wrote:

> Since upgrading to SeaMonkey 2.48, AOL video's always autoplay.  This 
> was previously blocked in older SM versions.
> 
> My config settings are:
> 
> media.autoplay.enableduser set  false
> media.block-autoplay-until-in-foreground  default   false
> 
> I have tried toggling the second setting both ways and it makes no 
> difference.

Could you provide an URL for testing purposes?

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Re: 2.46 crash

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On 05/08/2017 10:17, BERTRAND Joël wrote:
>   Hello,
> 
>   I use seamonkey for a long time and on one of my workstations, it often 
> crashes since 2.40 if I remember) with following trace in terminal :
> 
> ATTENTION: default value of option force_s3tc_enable overridden by 
> environment.
> 1501866871483   addons.update-checker   WARNUpdate manifest for 
> mod...@themes.mozilla.org did not contain an updates property
> 1501866871509   addons.update-checker   WARNUpdate manifest for 
> {972ce4c6-7e08-4474-a285-3208198ce6fd} did not contain an updates property
> 1501866871517   addons.update-checker   WARNUpdate manifest for 
> langpack...@seamonkey.mozilla.org did not contain an updates property
> [aac @ 0x7f38320ab000] illegal icc
> Assertion failure: !mDoingStableStates, at 
> /builds/slave/rel-c-rel-lnx64-bld/build/mozilla/xpcom/base/CycleCollectedJSRuntime.cpp:1312
> #01: ???[/opt/seamonkey/libxul.so +0x1173eec]
> #02: ???[/opt/seamonkey/libxul.so +0xcbfa2d]
> #03: NS_InvokeByIndex[/opt/seamonkey/libxul.so +0xcc69fb]
> #04: ???[/opt/seamonkey/libxul.so +0x117fca3]
> #05: ???[/opt/seamonkey/libxul.so +0x11875fb]
> #06: ???[/opt/seamonkey/libxul.so +0x2d4bd0b]
> #07: ???[/opt/seamonkey/libxul.so +0x2d3e2e7]
> #08: ???[/opt/seamonkey/libxul.so +0x2d4ba4d]
> #09: ???[/opt/seamonkey/libxul.so +0x2d4bc69]
> #10: ???[/opt/seamonkey/libxul.so +0x2fc5d75]
> #11: ??? (???:???)
> ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 20779
> ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to child
> ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue signal...
> 
>   This workstation runs Linux Debian testing (amd64). I have other debian 
> system in the same configuration that don't trigger the same issue.
> 
>   I have tested binaries from mozilla ftp, binaries from ubuntu and I 
> have tried to build seamonkey from sources. I always obtain the same bug.
> 
>   All idea to fix this issue will be welcome.

Type about:crashes in the URL bar.
Copy/paste the contents here.

Note that 2.48 has been released. It might be worth
upgrading to that version.

And Adrian Kalla has even released unofficial 2.49.1
builds, which may have fixed the issue (or not).

@FRG: are Adrian's builds available somewhere else?

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Re: SM 2.50???

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On 04/08/2017 17:50, Ray Davison wrote:

> What is this 2.50 I have been using.  I now don't even know where I got it.
> 
> You are currently on the release update channel.
> Build identifier: 20170424091539

You probably got it from there:

https://web.archive.org/web/https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/

i.e. an unofficial build from Adrian.

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Re: E MAIL CRASHES ON 2.48

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On 04/08/2017 14:34, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 8/4/17 3:06 AM, Mason83 wrote:
>> On 04/08/2017 04:12, Edmund Wong wrote:
>>> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>>>> It is probably bug 1286613:
>>>>
>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1286613
>>>>
>>>> Solution is unfortunately to go back to 2.46 and wait for 2.49.1. Not
>>>> sure if we can backport all the parts to 2.48 and do a 2.48.1
>>>
>>> It is worth doing that if it fixes problems.
>>
>> Isn't it far simpler to push a 2.49.1 release?
> 
> How long did you have to wait for 2.48?

I jumped on the ESR as soon as Adrian published it.
The source code is ready, it just needs to be compiled.

I don't understand the difference between Adrian's builds
and official builds...

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Re: E MAIL CRASHES ON 2.48

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On 04/08/2017 04:12, Edmund Wong wrote:
> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>> It is probably bug 1286613:
>>
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1286613
>>
>> Solution is unfortunately to go back to 2.46 and wait for 2.49.1. Not
>> sure if we can backport all the parts to 2.48 and do a 2.48.1
> 
> It is worth doing that if it fixes problems.

Isn't it far simpler to push a 2.49.1 release?

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Re: Cannot contact my router.

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On 04/08/2017 03:54, marksattler wrote:

> Just updated to 2.48 a few minutes ago.  Now I cannot contact my
> router at 192.168.11 anymore.  I get a red error screen
> saying...401 Authorization Required
> 
> This server could not verify that you are authorized to access.
> Either you supplied the wrong credentials(e.g., bad password), or
> your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials
> required.
> 
> I never had a problem before since going to Seamonkey from Netscape.
> It used to bring up a dialog box with the password and I just had to
> click OK to connect to the router.
>
> This release broke it.  Have not yet tried to reinstall 2.46 yet.
> Any ideas?

Known bug.
Work-around: close and restart SM in browser mode.

(Why would you downgrade to 2.40?)

See these threads:

Subject: might some change in 2.48 break some web servers?
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 14:15:23 -0400

Subject: Problems with sites requiring authentication
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 23:32:31 +0200

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1347857
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1350152

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Re: might some change in 2.48 break some web servers?

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On 28/07/2017 20:15, Bob Fleischer wrote:

> I have Seamonkey V 2.48 running on 64-bit Windows 10 (v 1703). I just 
> upgraded from V 2.46.
> 
> A certain internal corporate web page I use no longer works, but only 
> when accessed from Seamonkey 2.48 on this system.  On other browsers, 
> and from an absolutely clean v2.48 installation on a "virgin" Windows 10 
> (v 1703), everything works as before.

See the thread
"Problems with -sites requiring authentication"
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 23:32:31 +0200

I think you've run into this bug:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1347857
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1350152

The work-around, as you've found out, is restarting SM.
It seems it is something in the mail part that breaks
HTTP auth.

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Re: Message undelete

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On 28/07/2017 22:23, Ray_Net wrote:

> So, it would be easy to change de tag indicating not-deleted ?

I believe so.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170619105411/http://www.eyrich-net.org/mozilla/X-Mozilla-Status.html?en

X-Mozilla-Status: 0009
Subtract 8 from this number.
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001

Then click "Repair Folder" (safely deletes msf).
Message should reappear.

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Re: Message undelete

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On 27/07/2017 21:21, Rob Steinmetz wrote:
> Daniel wrote:
>> On 27/07/2017 7:33 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>>> Rob Steinmetz wrote:
>>>
 WaltS48 wrote:
> On 7/26/17 12:51 PM, EE wrote:
>> Rob Steinmetz wrote:
>>> Is there a message undelete add on that works with SeaMonkey?
>
>> You can move a message from the trash to another folder.
>
> What do they do if it isn't in the trash?
>
> Is it an email or newsgroup message?
>
 In this case it is an email message that has been moved to another
 folder and the other folder is not showing the message. We're not
 sure what is going on. It may be the folder's index is corrupt and
 can be fixed. or the message may be lost. I was looking for an
 undelete before I tried anything else and lost the messages
 completely.
>>>
>>> First check adjacent folders in the list -- I can't count the number of
>>> times I've dragged and dropped a message into an adjacent folder by
>>> mistake and couldn't find it because it wasn't where I thought I'd put
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Failing that, close SM and delete the .msf (index) file for the folder
>>> in question. When you restart SeaMonkey, it'll build a new one. If the
>>> message appears, you're done. If not, post back; you may be able to
>>> recover it manually from the file but that's complicated.
>>>
>>> In the interim, if SM offers to compact folders, be sure to refuse. If
>>> it does, you'll lose all hope of recovery. And if you have it set to
>>> compact folders automatically without asking, disable that feature.
>>>
>>> Edit | Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups | Network & Storage
>>> [ ] Compact all folders when it will save over nn MB in total
>>>
>> I, also, have dragged and dropped into the wrong folder and had to go
>> looking ... and finding and re-moving to the correct file.
>>
>> Second thing for OP Rob to try . SeaMonkey stores it messages in one
>> file (e.g. inbox, sent, etc) and then has an associated index file (e.g.
>> inbox.msf, sent.msf).
>>
>> If you close SeaMonkey and then delete all the *.msf files, when you
>> re-start SeaMonkey and address each folder in your profile, a new *.msf
>> file will be created for each folder in your profile (e.g. new
>> inbox.msf, sent.msf, whatever.msf, etc.) and, if your missing e-mail is
>> in any of the mail folders, it should show up.
>>
>> Note:because you have not touched the actual files which hold your mail
>> (inbox, sent, whatever, etc), your mail should not be lost!!
>>
> Thanks for All of the suggestions. I'm pretty much aware of all of them.
> 
> In my experience email properly marked as deleted in the MBOX file will 
> not show up if a new index is created. It will show up if the index is 
> somehow corrupt.
> 
> I did find this add on for Thunderbird:
> 
>> RECOVER DELETED MESSAGES: an extension that allows to recover deleted 
>> messages, if the folder has not been compacted yet. To use it, select the 
>> folder, right-click and choose "Recover deleted messages", then follow the 
>> messages in status bar.
>> From the 0.2 version it should be able also to recover deleted messages from 
>> Imap folders, if they're set for offline use.
>> Localized in english and italian.
>> latest: 0.4 version (TB - compatibile 2.0 or higher)
> 
> I was hoping something similar was available for Sea Monkey. I'll 
> probably try to convert it to SeaMonkey and try it out.

Did you try opening the source mbox with a text editor?
If you haven't compacted the mbox, the message should
be there with a tag indicating it is deleted.

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Re: ESR update notification not working?

[Mason83]

On 14/07/2017 19:06, Mason83 wrote:
> On 13/07/2017 16:43, chokito wrote:
> 
>> Mason83 wrote:
>>
>>> The 64-bit version of plugin-container.exe
>>> has MD5: 33d3c39d859b84772dfc17c2d27f5705
>>
>> This MD5-checksum corresponds to an old version of 2.49.1 from 2017-05-28.
> 
> I don't know how you figured that out.
> Do you keep old versions lying around?
> 
> Yes indeed, I am running 20170528045907.
> 
> Why did I not get notified of Adrian's new version?
> 
> Manual "Check for Updates" returns
> No updates available.
> 
> Is it because the version number wasn't bumped?
> 
>> The latest version 2.49.1 is from 2017-06-19. (The better name would be 
>> 2.49.2).
>> https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-esr-windows32/
>> https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-esr-windows64/
> 
> Thanks. Will update.

Anyone else seeing this issue?

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Re: I have found a year 2000 bug in Seamonkey

[Mason83]

On 15/07/2017 16:27, David E. Ross wrote:
> On 7/15/2017 5:20 AM, Richmond wrote:
>> Richmond  writes:
>>
>>> Frank-Rainer Grahl  writes:
>>>
 Which SeaMonkey version?
 2.50+ and TB53+ suffer from limitations due to Mozilla locale api
 changes. They are slowly fixed.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.49.1
>>
>> Compiled by me.
>>
> 
> That would be a version still in development and thus likely has several
> bugs not yet fixed or even known.  To avoid such bugs, use the latest
> official release for end-users: 2.46.

This is bad advice, in my opinion.

SM shares 95% of the code with FF and TB.

SM 2.46 is based on FF 2.49 which has been unsupported
for several months.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox/
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox-esr/

> No, 2.46 is not bug-free.  However, most of its bugs are known and
> reported at .

Updated versions may have unknown issues, but at least
the glaring security issues have been fixed.

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Re: I have found a year 2000 bug in Seamonkey

[Mason83]

On 14/07/2017 23:35, Richmond wrote:
> The article below appears at the top of my rss feed which is sorted by
> date, latest first. The date in the date column is 30/11/02. But the
> date of the article is 1966. I don't know where it got the '02 date
> from.
> 
> https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1966/oct/24/britishidentity.fromthearchive

What's the RSS feed's URL?

Is it https://www.theguardian.com/uk/rss ? (Apparently not)

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ESR update notification not working?

[Mason83]

On 13/07/2017 16:43, chokito wrote:

> Mason83 wrote:
>
>> The 64-bit version of plugin-container.exe
>> has MD5: 33d3c39d859b84772dfc17c2d27f5705
> 
> This MD5-checksum corresponds to an old version of 2.49.1 from 2017-05-28.

I don't know how you figured that out.
Do you keep old versions lying around?

Yes indeed, I am running 20170528045907.

Why did I not get notified of Adrian's new version?

Manual "Check for Updates" returns
No updates available.

Is it because the version number wasn't bumped?

> The latest version 2.49.1 is from 2017-06-19. (The better name would be 
> 2.49.2).
> https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-esr-windows32/
> https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-esr-windows64/

Thanks. Will update.

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Re: plugin-container.exe ?

[Mason83]

On 12/07/2017 18:37, Ken Rudolph wrote:
> I'm running SM 2.49.1 under Win-10.  Lately I've been getting a Norton 
> warning that something called plugin-container.exe has no valid digital 
> signature.  It's happened several times, now, and I'm wondering if I 
> should be concerned or if I should tell Norton to bug off.
> 
> Incidentally, I went to the "unsupported" 2.49.1 because I was getting 
> frequent crashed with 2.46.  It's been well over a week now with 2.49.1 
> and not a single crash since then.

The 64-bit version of plugin-container.exe
has MD5: 33d3c39d859b84772dfc17c2d27f5705

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Message Composer is driving me nuts

[Mason83]

Hello,

I only ever write "Plain Text" emails. I have always
considered HTML messages a waste of bits.

Lately, when I reply to a Usenet message, proof-read it,
and send it, I will sometimes find that SM has bungled
formatting, by removing the empty line between quoted
text and my reply.

Is this a known bug?

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Re: Problems with sites requiring authentication

[Mason83]

If I restart SM, then auth does work.
I'm not sure what I do that breaks it later.
Thanks for the simpler work-around.
Regards.


On 06/07/2017 07:52, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> Check if it is this bug:
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1347857
> 
> 2.48 or maybe 2.47 should be the first version affected. See if the 
> workaround closing the mail window works. Also affects Thunderbird. Core 
> code needs a change.  See
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1350152
> 
> I am running a local fixed version with the patch from there and it 
> seems to be good. Will be fixed for 2.49.1 either by Mozilla or we will 
> do a release branch.
> 
> FRG
> Mason83 wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I couldn't say exactly when it started, but for several months
>> (since SM 2.48?) I've been having issues with sites requiring
>> authentication.
>>
>> The first one asks me for my username
>>
>> Account name:> type="text" name="user" maxlength="20" />.suffix> type="submit" />
>>
>> When I click "Submit Query", all I get is:
>>
>> "Authorization Required
>> This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document 
>> requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), 
>> or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required."
>>
>> The work-around I've been using is to load an URL
>> that contains my username and password
>> http://username:password@url/path/to/resource
>>
>> But this is not ideal.
>>
>> Another site I have a problem on is
>> https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de
>>
>> To edit columns, one needs to authenticate, but all
>> I get is:
>> "Authorization Required
>> The configuration of this Poll is protected by password! In order to 
>> proceed, you have to give the password for user admin."
>>
>> Are there known issues?
>>
>> Regards.
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Problems with sites requiring authentication

[Mason83]

Hello,

I couldn't say exactly when it started, but for several months
(since SM 2.48?) I've been having issues with sites requiring
authentication.

The first one asks me for my username

Account name:.suffix

When I click "Submit Query", all I get is:

"Authorization Required
This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document 
requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or 
your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required."

The work-around I've been using is to load an URL
that contains my username and password
http://username:password@url/path/to/resource

But this is not ideal.

Another site I have a problem on is
https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de

To edit columns, one needs to authenticate, but all
I get is:
"Authorization Required
The configuration of this Poll is protected by password! In order to proceed, 
you have to give the password for user admin."

Are there known issues?

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Re: New Crash Report Situation (W10 pro, 64b, desktop)

[Mason83]

On 02/07/2017 20:15, Bo1953 wrote:
> Adrian Kalla wrote:
>> W dniu 02.07.2017 o 18:43, bo1953 pisze:
>>> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
 The last two are out of memory errors. Do you have only 2GB in your PC?
 If yes upgrade to 4 GB and see if the errors go away.  2GB and any
 recent Windows version asks for trouble.
>>
>> You forgot about this:
>>> Build Architecture x86
>> There are two options:
>> 1) Either this is a 32 bit Windows 10
>> 2) or: as he is using a 32 bit build, I think he is hitting the 32 bit
>> limit any 32 bit application can use...
>>
>> Adrian
> Yes, it is a 32bit machine. If that is the issue, is there an easy 
> enough way to upgrade it to 64b?

Are you sure?!

Someone sold you a **32-bit** Win10 system with 8 GB of RAM?!

Or was it an upgrade from a previous OS?

The OS is able to use only ~3GB of RAM on a 32-bit system,
so 5 GB would be completely wasted...

(I'm wondering why MS even sells a 32-bit version of Win10.)

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-upgrade-32-bit-64-bit-version-windows-10
https://www.howtogeek.com/228042/how-to-switch-from-32-bit-windows-10-to-64-bit-windows-10/

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Re: Lightning on ESR branch

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OK, I removed the old, then installed
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-esr-windows64/lightning-5.4.en-US.win64.xpi
and everything is back to normal.

Thanks.

On 02/07/2017 09:44, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> Which version? From Adrian?
> He usually has corresponding version too:
> https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-esr-linux64/
> If it is bundled and not picked up somtimes you just need to delete the key
> 
> extensions.installedDistroAddon.{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}
> 
> in about:config
> FRG
> 
> 
> Mason83 wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm using 2.49.1 from the ESR branch.
>> Lightning is disabled, and there is no enable button.
>>
>> Is this expected?
>>
>> AMO tells me there is a version available:
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/lightning/
>>
>> Should I just remove the current add-on,
>> and install a new one?

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Lightning on ESR branch

[Mason83]

Hello,

I'm using 2.49.1 from the ESR branch.
Lightning is disabled, and there is no enable button.

Is this expected?

AMO tells me there is a version available:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/lightning/

Should I just remove the current add-on,
and install a new one?

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Re: My first SM crash on my windows10 machine

[Mason83]

On 29/06/2017 12:13, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

> So 2.49.1. An uplift for the bug has been requested. If it is not 
> granted we will do a release branch with it. Still no ETA.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1361132

firefox-esr52 affected

Where did you request an uplift? (Is uplift same as backport?)
I don't see anything SM-specific in the bug.

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Re: New Crash Report Situation (W10 pro, 64b, desktop)

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On 29/06/2017 02:15, bo1953 wrote:
> My apologies for 'hijacking' a previous thread about the above question, 
> no offense meant in the least bit.
> 
> Below, as requested, I have pasted the 'Submitted Crash Reports' or do I 
> need to post the individual content of each report or several or ???
> 
> My crash reports go back to Nov 2016.
> 
> TIA for your input and thoughts on what my system requires.
> 
> Report ID Date Submitted
> bp-21aa3c38-053b-401e-ae16-4d81e0170625

out of memory

> bp-bff9f312-b127-4074-9c2f-bda440170622

out of memory

> bp-a1655016-2c12-4262-9b29-558b30170622

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/a1655016-2c12-4262-9b29-558b30170622
[@ nvwgf2um.dll | BaseThreadInitThunk ]
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1310600
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1292273

Are your Nvidia graphics drivers up-to-date?


> bp-a44c8a81-876a-4fde-a0b8-bd4780170615

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/a44c8a81-876a-4fde-a0b8-bd4780170615

[@ nsIContent::HasAttr ]
Crash ReasonEXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION_READ
Crash Address   0x18

> bp-9afb45d9-cf6d-4e55-9b05-5783c0170615

out of memory

> bp-2b92df6d-7376-4244-9ed2-343130170603

out of memory

Hmmm, I wonder if the EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION_READ
errors are in fact an OOM that wasn't diagnosed,
and then we just try to dereference a NULL struct
which gives a small offset...

But I thought that's not possible in C++, that memory
allocation failures raised an exception...

FRG, is it possible that some allocs use malloc?
Or actually catch the OOM exception and keep going?

I agree that increasing the amount of RAM might make
a difference. Worth a try.

Otherwise, Mozilla is known to leak memory. So taking
the habit of closing the session every few hours might
also avoid the OOM situations.

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Re: Crashes

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On 29/06/2017 05:54, Ken Rudolph wrote:
> Mason83 wrote:
>> On 28/06/2017 00:46, Ken Rudolph wrote:
>>
>>> SM 2.46 (Win-10) has developed the annoying habit of crashing, and
>>> recently way too often.
>>
>> Please open a browser window, and type about:crashes in the
>> URL bar. Please copy/paste lines less than 3 months old.
>>
>> Regards.
> 
> bp-a9787be9-a505-403e-9ddf-e5bc70170627
>   6/27/17 3:13 PM
> bp-1beb928b-2276-4099-8985-ff0f30170627
>   6/27/17 1:55 PM
> bp-2526d098-8115-419e-b8b5-ca5f60170627
>   6/27/17 1:54 PM
> bp-29d6f0ce-394d-4b08-be9b-43d8c0170627
>   6/26/17 8:38 PM
> bp-5c8bd892-73d8-46f0-8792-6f4e70170626
>   6/26/17 7:49 AM
> bp-10068a32-601e-4811-9fc0-1ca4f0170623
>   6/23/17 9:11 AM
> bp-3a81a172-2443-43ba-9570-3a0c20170623
>   6/23/17 7:42 AM
> bp-5a2d5e67-facc-45a3-bd8a-16ef80170623
>   6/22/17 6:16 PM
> bp-97db968a-3e78-4981-ad88-10a120170622
>   6/22/17 12:19 PM
> bp-3e719b0c-e91a-42a1-9c86-ca25e0170621
>   6/20/17 7:21 PM
> bp-04fec9a4-24dc-45a1-9d5b-8fe8c0170615
>   6/15/17 3:47 PM
> bp-5aa5914b-bf28-44f4-ac50-9efbc0170606
>   6/6/17  11:14 AM
> bp-e09808a2-727b-4d6c-b8cf-d4b3d0170603
>   6/3/17  12:07 AM
> bp-95fe7b67-7e02-4b8f-8d0a-f5e0b0170602
>   6/2/17  11:15 AM
> bp-ceedad10-67b2-42a7-873f-fa8c50170531
>   5/30/17 8:24 PM
> bp-2432a2ae-e081-4408-a784-b83de0170531
>   5/30/17 8:09 PM
> bp-d5d2c75b-268e-4f05-bd84-ee4370170527
>   5/27/17 10:58 AM
> bp-adcac668-41c7-4271-b9bc-4234a0170527
>   5/27/17 9:38 AM
> bp-2b559b38-c78c-4876-9a9c-2380b0170526
>   5/26/17 1:38 PM
> bp-6feeadaf-bc81-44f6-8f39-7596b0170526
>   5/26/17 1:27 PM
> bp-efc5efb2-1eda-44d5-8cff-b29270170512
>   5/12/17 2:03 PM
> bp-07bedba7-0105-4ba2-b431-a736a0170511
>   5/11/17 7:26 AM
> bp-50dcc35e-9d8e-4f53-8f4d-f43520170511
>   5/11/17 6:53 AM

OK, based on the first 10 crashes, you seem to be hitting
two separate (but maybe related) bugs:

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/a9787be9-a505-403e-9ddf-e5bc70170627
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/2526d098-8115-419e-b8b5-ca5f60170627
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/29d6f0ce-394d-4b08-be9b-43d8c0170627
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/10068a32-601e-4811-9fc0-1ca4f0170623
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/3a81a172-2443-43ba-9570-3a0c20170623
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/97db968a-3e78-4981-ad88-10a120170622
[@ DocumentFrameCallbacks::DocumentFrameCallbacks ]
Crash ReasonEXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION_READ
Crash Address   0xe5e5e5e9
or sometimes
Crash Address   0xc0

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/1beb928b-2276-4099-8985-ff0f30170627
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/5c8bd892-73d8-46f0-8792-6f4e70170626
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/5a2d5e67-facc-45a3-bd8a-16ef80170623
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/3e719b0c-e91a-42a1-9c86-ca25e0170621
[@ TakeFrameRequestCallbacksFrom ]
Crash ReasonEXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION_EXEC
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1342823  => NOT PUBLIC (???)


Can you describe what you are doing seconds before the crash?
In other words, how can someone else reproduce this crash.

Regards.


P.S. @FRG => can you see bug 1342823
Was it FIXED recently?
Can you unmask it, or have some mozdev unmask it?
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